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    Joe Lalonde

    What have Governments taken away through their imposing what is (in their eyes) good for the people?

    Common-sense.

    This is what Donald Trump is trying to bring back in place of this system where profits are most important propaganda.

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      Roy Hogue

      Trump, the biggest wild card in the race. What will he really do? And we don’t know yet. And can’t know unless we elect him and then see what he actually does.

      If you read Jo Nova for very long there is one lesson it drives home — be skeptical until you can see it proven or disproven for yourself.

      Does Trump’s proven business acumen translate into governing acumen? I hope so but that’s as far as I will go unless and until I can see it for myself.

      I doubt that he’ll sell out his country and I can’t say the same for Clinton, so I will vote for Trump and hope.

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        Roy Hogue

        I’m not saying I’m sure Clinton would sell out her country, just that there’s more than enough doubt to justify being afraid of her.

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          Ted O'Brien.

          You are coming from a different perspective, with more to sell and more people as current owners, but in Australia Marxists have been selling out our country ever since the second world war. Along the way they gained control of very near 50% + 1 of our political scene by establishing a base in our education system.

          For a long time their Utopia was Mother Russia. They don’t seem to have noticed that after a lifetime of trying the USSR was a failure, nor that Uncle Joe really was a villain..

          Your question must be, what is she selling out and who is she selling out to?

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            Roy Hogue

            What you say is turning out to be true here also. But we have survived a lot of communists and communist sympathizers since WWII. And it’s the ones Obama has appointed to various offices in his administration who can actually hurt us. For a long time here, the communist party USA was just a front for it’s chairman who lived high on the hog with the money his supporters donated to the cause. Going all the way back to Senator Joe McCarthy there were communists in the government and elsewhere. But we survived them pretty well until Obama came along.

            What she is selling out is literally our values, those of western culture and she’s selling that to the lowest bidders in the world, those who want to come here regardless of our willingness to accept them, to those who do not respect the Constitution. I expect there’s quite a list. But this woman’s aim is power, personal power and has been since she first started out to save the world, woman at a time. I think everything else is subordinated to that lust for power.

            If this sounds like I despise her it’s becaus I do.

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              KinkyKeith

              Roy I think the message you are sending this comes through loud and clear.
              As recent threads have made clear the problem with Democracy at the moment is that it is so easy to manipulate people that we have lost control to those who appear to speak the truth.

              Unless people can think for themselves and sort out reality from the media onslaught we will remain victims of those capable of creating an image that fits the modern equivalent of being a compassionate saint.
              Hundreds of millions of our tax dollars have been sent offshore with little or no accountability under a nominal mission to do good or save the planet.

              Why can this happen? Has democracy been totally corrupted.

              President Gillard and President Hillary, a fine pair.

              KK

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              delcon2

              Roy,you might like to watch these Vidios.
              Bernies voters jumping to Trump-Alex Jones/infowars.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5AB7yndVl8

              Hillary to ban guns and trash the second amendment-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVQ5Oyin6jY (Mary Bayer Grubber)

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                Roy Hogue

                I can’t help wondering if Bernie’s supporters will stick to principle and not vote for Hillary. Any vote not for her will be a vote for Trump and every vote will help. We shall see soon enough. November 8 isn’t very far down the road now.

                That in this, the richest nation on Earth and with more than adequate history enough to tell them this is the best possible place for them to be, why anyone would fall for Sanders is a mystery to me. But as Alice said, “Curiouser and curiouser.” What will we see next?

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                OriginalSteve

                If you want to see what Hullary wants for the USA, look at the UN – it is the model she will push for. Disarmament of everyone and total state control of everything and an unaccountable beaurocratic class… hey, sounds just like the EU…

                Seriosyly though – she is a a big C Communist and if push came to shove ( I’m not a yank, so…) I’d vote for trump only to keep clinton out of office.

                The USA is being rotted out from the inside – people have fallen asleep atthe wheel and forgotten why teh USA was set up in the first place. Complacency and Communism both start with “C”….oh that and the fact the USA has thrown the God of the Bible out of everything as well – once you turn your back on God, well….

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                Roy Hogue

                Steve,

                I cannot disagree with you in the slightest. What’s happening is our own fault for not paying attention, for getting lazy and for starting to want things the easy way, meaning free. You are dead center on the mark about throwing out God. When we believed our rights derived from something higher than ourselves we didn’t dare to mess with them. At least not in any official way. Now, believing ourselves competent to determine who has what rights, we’re in very bad trouble.

                It doesn’t even matter if you believe there is a God or not. If you simply realize that those rights we fought so hard to get beginning in 1775 and 1776 are too important to be messed around with, you come out well no mater what happens to temporarily upset things. But when you start to see yourself as arbiter of who has what rights, it’s all downhill after that.

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          stan stendera

          You may have doubts, I don’t.

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        Rereke Whakaaro

        I will vote for Trump and hope

        Are they on the same ticket, Roy? ;-)

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        PeterS

        We might know soon enough what Trump will do. One thing he or anyone else can’t do is to stop the coming major change. As Martin Armstrong puts it in one of his recent posts:

        He cannot prevent the crash and burn. Nobody can do that. Perhaps he can highlight the real problem. Moreover, he might be less likely to just sign whatever they put in front of him as they do with career politicians. We are headed toward a complete political change. That is unquestionable. So I would look at Trump more so as assisting the change that is already coming about.

        Ref:
        https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/north_america/2016-u-s-presidential-election/trump-can-he-really-prevent-anything/

        I tend to agree.

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      doubtingdave

      joe , slightly disagree , Trump see’s the left and the right as being two wings of the same bird , he is hitting out at the body of the bird that controls both wings , whilst most look to blame all the ills on society on the left or right wing , he is looking up at the body of the bird that’s [snip] on us all , whilst we are looking sideways , at each other

      [Editorial discretion applied.] AZ

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        Rereke Whakaaro

        Even with the (snip), we get the message. ;-)

        Politicans of the old-school, used to stand for office because they wanted to make society safer, more prosperous, and better for everybody.

        Politicans born after the Second World War stand for office so they can tilt the playing field for their own betterment, and the betterment of their (financial) supporters. In that world, you get the best President that money could buy.

        Trump seems to me, to be more like an old-school politican. I sincerely hope that I am right. He is also good theatre.

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          doubtingdave

          Thanks Rereke , and nicely put

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            Perhaps we all should do the secret [snips] with numbers like the US Air Force does;
            [173] yields ‘f*ckin blackout in tanker ops again’ I don gots no fuel left! WTF!
            Has anyone the complete list? Sometimes no mike clicks, ’cause that AH does not know how to tell a joke!

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          Ted O'Brien.

          “they wanted to make society safer, more prosperous, and better for everybody.” Do you remember the marvellous Al Capp and his wonderful Li’l Abner?

          “What’s good for General Bullmoose is good for the USA!”. We can rely on Trump to follow your line, because more prosperity for everybody brings more prosperity, and, importantly, more safety and comfort for him.

          I glanced at a bit of trump.com. There I saw a mind boggling list of properties of which he must be at least part owner, and a small item of particular pride. A skate park in Central Park which the City Council spent seven years waffling around upgrading for $20 million, which Trump took over and refurbished in four months for $1.8 million.

          True? False? It’s Trump.com! But if half true, we need more Trumps.

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          stan stendera

          +1776

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          KinkyKeith

          RW

          Regardless of who or what Trump is or may do if elected I believe that we may now be at the great turning point we have been hoping for.

          First the revolt of the Brexiteers disregarding the received wisdom of their betters.

          Then the Australian voter message to Australian politicians with their heads in the clouds, or somewhere else that’s appropriate.

          Now we have the trumpeteers looking to kick both major US parties right where it hurts.

          The mental world is changing, people are becoming very Buddhist because after trying to change politics through the front door and having been ignored they now see that the only way to get political attention is to deny politicians access to the big game by destroying the status quo.

          I like it.:-)

          KK

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            PeterS

            Then the Australian voter message to Australian politicians with their heads in the clouds, or somewhere else that’s appropriate.

            True but unfortunately we don’t have anyone here that even comes close to Trump to fill the political vacuum that’s being created by both major parties. To be honest I see Turnbull just as dangerous and scary as Shorten; both are ill equipped to lead a nation out of the mess that the previous ALP+Greens governments have helped to create. Even a “Howard+Costello” or “Hawke+Keating” duet would find it very difficult to reverse the current spiral downwards. We need a complete change in ideology and thinking. Of course there’s no chance of it happening with the current cesspool of politicians.

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              KinkyKeith

              But Peter,
              don’t try and tell me that you didn’t enjoy the long drawn out period of suspense while the winner was decided.
              That was fantastic to watch Bill bluster on for another week while Mr T did his thing.

              Unfortunately ” his thing” may have simply been basking in the afterglow of having set his carbon tax up and running and done his best for his masters at GS.

              Has anybody got an estimate of what that tax is going to cost us?

              KK

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              Ron Cook

              I had a chance meeting with Peter Costello sevaral years ago and he said that it would take a generation to undo the damage Rudd-Gillard-Rudd did.

              R-COO- K+

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              Ted O'Brien.

              PeterS.

              This is not a one man government. It is not a one party government. It could even be that it is a de facto three party government.

              Don’t lose your nerve yet. This could be a good thing. It’s certainly unprecedented in my time. Nobody can afford to short circuit the system by calling an early election. They must live with what they have got, and that could bring sanity.

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                PeterS

                Don’t lose your nerve yet.

                We will all lose our shorts soon enough – it’s inevitable. I’m no longer worried about that because the world eventually will be a much better place after the crash and burn once all the crooks are removed from the system.

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            Rereke Whakaaro

            I agree KK,

            Politicians know how to game the system. We need to change the system, or change the rules of the game. Businessmen, like Trump, know how to do both, and that is exactly what is going to happen, if Trump attains the White House.

            We may yet, be living in interesting times, but in a good way,

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            delcon2

            Or as I like to say”Taking a wrecking ball the Elites”And that includes the “Meeja”

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          Do not kid yourself Trumph is for Trumph. That said, all need to learn/understand that you can always be scammed, by a better scammer, no matter how smart you think you are! TRUMPH is providing a needed lesson to the world! How much that will cost may be truly DASTARDLY!:-)

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          Gee Aye

          Written like someone born before the Second World War and like someone with no knowledge of history

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          Mari C

          Rereke – “Politicans born after the Second World War stand for office so they can tilt the playing field for their own betterment, and the betterment of their (financial) supporters. In that world, you get the best President that money could buy.

          Trump seems to me, to be more like an old-school politican. I sincerely hope that I am right. He is also good theatre.”

          I hope you right too, Rereke – if we are all wrong on Trump we are all seriously up a creek with no paddle and the bird is still (snipping) on us.

          Bernie lives the capitalist life with a socialist belief. Were he to live in a country of his devise, he’d hate it, rail against it, and call it names. Ditto Hillary. Neither grasp what it is they are asking us to become – and Bernie even less so. He’s all unicorns and lollipops. Hillary is sparkly ponies.

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      Another Ian

      Time for me to put in a plug for John Prine’s song “Common Sense” as the theme song of the 21st century.

      The refrain is

      “It don’t make no sense that common sense don’t make no sense no more”

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    handjive

    Josh Frydenberg’s rise may be best hope for climate bipartisanship ‘in a decade’

    Mark Butler, Labor’s climate change and energy spokesman, praised Frydenberg as a “very energetic, talented, driven minister” who might be capable of bridging one of Australia’s widest political gaps.

    “The scope for bipartisanship is there on climate change,” Butler told Fairfax Media on the sidelines of the summit, adding later: “For the better part of a decade, we’ve had this toxic division.”

    Although dubbed “Mr Coal” during his previous role, Frydenberg said the fuel’s role would shrink, nothing that recent investment in new electricity generation in Australia had all been in renewable energy.
    . . .
    A Turnbull government, with a like-minded, compliant opposition ready to rubber stamp any green renewable boondoggle.

    It won’t end well.

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      el gordo

      My conscience is clear, I voted informally at the last election.

      Democracy sucks!

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      delcon2

      You only have to look at SA,to see how”Good”renewables are.And now,they are talking about”Battery”storage.Can you imagine the size of them?

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        PeterC

        South Australia is well endowed with Uranium. Nuclear power plants would make sense for them, if only they would open their eyes to the possibilities and adopt the technology. They could also build the new submarines with the nuclear power plants which they were designed for and service them as well.

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          Ted O'Brien.

          Funny you should say that PeterC. Add the submarine schemozzle. Why France? The French think it’s OK to bomb ships in our harbours, so I would trust them least of all. And I have a vague memory of a precedent problem with spare parts for Mirage jets.

          By my reading the French subs are designed for nuclear powering, while the alternatives were not. Could that be the reason they were chosen?

          That wouldn’t be a sane reason for building them in South Australia. Could it be an insane (read political) reason.

          Our founding fathers designed our electoral system very cleverly to protect us from sudden decisions and protect smaller states from being bullied. Their plan has been overtaken by geographic reality. Our least populous states now have the power to bully the rest of us at the ballot box. And you can bet who will be the first to work that system.

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        Yonniestone

        I predict in the future there will be court cases over those that sold dodgy ‘renewable battery storage’

        Unfortunately there will be nothing to charge them with….. :(

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    scaper...

    I voted for Family First in the Lower House and one Nation under the line for the Senate. Had a chat with Malcolm Roberts yesterday. He’s still in with a chance of securing a Senate seat, should know next week. Regardless…he will be in Canberra to advise on the ensuing fight against the global warming rubbish in the Senate.

    He tells me that Pauline is a really nice person…genuine in her concerns for the people and I trust Malcolm’s judgement. Will be meeting Pauline in due course. Most probably before going down to Canberra to listen to Pauline’s maiden speech. Should be a cracker.

    Looking forward to finally meeting Andrew Bolt on Friday.

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      aussiepete

      One is judged by the company one keeps. My judgement of you is therefore very favourable.

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      Yonniestone

      Fingers crossed for Malcolm Roberts scaper.

      With Pauline I recalled some words on her from a blog by Scott Moreland ‘Shouting the obvious’ that gives some insight into just what games politicians (especially minorities) have to play in the public arena.

      Quoted from link: “As Shermon Burgess a.k.a The Great Aussie Patriot recently said,” This women is battle hardened”.

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        scaper...

        Yes Yonnie, I daresay, she must be battle hardened. I reckon so will be her closest advisers. Looking forward to catching up with a few this Friday.

        One especially, who happens to be a very close friend of Gina’s. If the stars can align, well…I’m sure you can guess where this could go.

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          Yonniestone

          Aren’t you a married man scaper?

          Just kidding!…. nothing ventured nothing gained, best of luck. :)

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            scaper...

            Gina is not my type. I’m into svelte leggy blondes. Lucky to be married to one so don’t have to stray.

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              aussiepete

              No red thumbs yet scaper, but wait untill they all get home from their latte and walking the dog down to the basket weaving demonstrations.

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        Dennis

        Street fighter, battle hardened, whatever the description to be a member of a minority in the Senate is a difficult position, and to be a newcomer makes that life even harder. Add a person who comes up with very good headlines but cannot articulate what it means when being questioned by experts, battle hardened Senators or skilled journalists, and the position becomes even more difficult. Making as much noise as permitted to make in the Senate is not the best battle plan of attack.

        Recently that woman appeared on SBS in a documentary and she spoke about her love life in an attempt to blacken the name of a man who has vigorously denied her claim in the past too, it is an old tale. So why would a person go public and self harm in the process?

        It goes to judgement.

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          philthegeek

          It goes to judgement.

          Hanson has a pretty large issue with ignorance to deal with as well though. It was a bit laughable the look on her face when she did her last Q&A slot. She gets all hot and sweaty over halal..but obviously had no idea of the meaning of the word haram. Be interesting to see if she gets allocated a 3 or 6 year term in the Senate?? The results should be finalized next week so long/short term allocation is the next theater to come.

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            AndyG55

            The only ignorance here is your, flipthedope..

            If she gets allocated 3 years, she will be there for AT LEAST 9.

            Live with that idea, childmind. ;-)

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              AndyG55

              Furthermore, she will WIPE out any Green Senator from Queensland.

              PLUS and BONUS !! :-)

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              philthegeek

              If she gets allocated 3 years, she will be there for AT LEAST 9.

              Hey angry abusive little one. Have a look at the AEC website and apply what is laughingly referred to as your mind to the numbers. Even pulling in preferences from the nuttjobbies elsewhere on the ticket Hanson came in with 1.09 quota.

              Implication being that in a normal 1/2 senate election with the quota doubled she is out.

              So, she’s most likely an ignorant and embarrassing blot on the political landscape for only 3 years, unless she gets gifted a 6 year term. Depends on the method the Senate decides to apply.

              Furthermore, she will WIPE out any Green Senator from Queensland.

              Do your mummy and daddy know you are such a twit and STILL let you loose online??

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                James Murphy

                I’m not really sure what you have against Pauline Hanson? Why does she upset you so much, compared to others who have demonstrated equal, if not greater capability to misunderstand basic concepts or just outright forget things:
                - Sarah Hanson-Young and that superannuation tax interview
                - Julie Bishop – ‘transition to retirement’ scheme
                - Bill Shorten and the infamous “…I haven’t seen what she’s said, but let me say I support what it is she said…”
                - Richard Di Natale allegedly paying employees less than the minimum wage
                - David Feeney “forgetting” to declare a $2.3million dollar property

                Need I go on?

                I can only imagine you are wandering through life without questioning anything, without taking time to wonder why the media has decided to target Pauline Hanson specifically, and if such persistent, unwavering demonisation is a) Factually correct, and b) Acceptable behaviour from those who claim to be ‘journalists’.

                If, as the media is saying, Pauline is the nastiest, most right-wing and racist person in this country, then it seems to me that Australia is actually not doing too badly on a global scale, when you make a comparison with other countries where governments systematically, and actively persecute and discriminate against parts of the population based on religion, gender, skin colour, sexuality, personal wealth, and place of birth, to name just a few.

                You may, in your insular mind, think this is a defence of everything Pauline Hanson says or does, but no, I do not support her, nor do I particularly dislike her any more, or less than I dislike the vast majority of our politicians. I do, however, have a problem with people who do not attempt to think for themselves, to see outside their own little bubble, or to investigate deeper into, well, anything, really.

                Perhaps my opinions are just as worthless as yours, but they are certainly not as ill-informed.

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                AndyG55

                Hanson, WAY ahead of the Greens in Queensland…

                Smile and get over it, flop. ! :-)

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                AndyG55

                You are obviously are far-left wacko Greens supporter.

                How very embarrassing that Qld results must be for you.. :-)

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                Rereke Whakaaro

                Nicely put, James. I tip my hat to you.

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                philthegeek

                I’m not really sure what you have against Pauline Hanson?

                James my issue with Hanson is that she relies purely on fear mongering for her appeal and pretty much always has. Its always a factor in politics, but really, its all she’s got. She just shifts the focus according to whatever group is most vulnerable at the time. Asians, Indigenous and now Muslims. Its an obvious long term pattern, and it works for her.

                Need I go on?

                I’m sure you could. :) Pollies do have a tendency to gaffe from time to time. Sarah Much Too Young, is a light weight on economic policy, Mesma can barely get her head around her own portfolio much less someone else confused and complex super policy, Shorten certainly blew that one (but has at least improved in the years since then ), Di Natale i dont have a lot of time for a he’s a blue / green if anything, and Feeney’s a git machine man the ALP would be better off without.

                But none of them bring the kind of ignorant and basically arrogant nastiness into play that Hanson does. She’s in a class of her own in that context.

                And the kind of “policy” positions she’s espousing at the moment? She’s grandstanding and adding fuel to the fire to get noticed. That one reason why i despise her.

                wonder why the media has decided to target Pauline Hanson specifically

                Her relationship with the media is an interesting study in and of itself. Whatever they throw at her she has to take since she would be a complete non-entity long faded into history without their attentions good or bad. Doing the “look at me I’m pumping the outrage of the credulous” stuff has been at the core of her strategy from the get go.

                but they are certainly not as ill-informed.

                Mine actually aren’t James. Though they do oft run contrary to the received wisdom so precious to many who post here. Actually knowing me, I find it rather amusing to be labelled a “far-left wacko Greens supporter”, or a “leftard” by at least some of the more hysterically silly and abusive children here. :) Entertaining from time to time though.

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        delcon2

        philthegeek,you “Leftards”really should go and talk to someone about a “Brain Transplant”or something.

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      el gordo

      Scaper its old news but do you know which international backers are behind CLARA?

      “Value capture” — the funding plan the PM proposed — is at the centre of CLARA’s proposal.

      ‘It relies on profits made from the transformation of existing farming land into new developments that would benefit from the new infrastructure and increase in value.’

      News.com

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        scaper...

        I believe it is a US backed or run consortium. I remember looking into it and not recognising any of the names. Shades of Crapperville I reckon. Turnbull showed interest in that concept.

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          el gordo

          Your ideas at Trash on satellite cities enlivened me and I defended them long after you were shown the door.

          On this occasion I also heard it was US backed, but that can’t be true unless its funny money being funneled through the US to avoid a xenophobic backlash.

          Due diligence is required and open tender, not that it will make any difference. This mob will come in with a bid that can’t be beaten, building new cities is what the game is all about.

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        Yonniestone

        I found this in an Australian article Land deals sealed for $200bn high speed east coast rail link,

        From link;
        ‘The project has established a high-profile advisory board that includes former NSW premier Barry O’Farrell and former Victorian premier Steve Bracks, along with recently retired federal trade minister Andrew Robb.

        American board members are also involved in guiding the project, including former US diplomat Niels Marquardt, former US ­secretary of transportation Ray LaHood, former White House ­fellow and City of Chicago chief ­financial officer Lois Scott, and former Clinton advisers David Wilhelm and Mark Doyle.

        I also see a conflicting issue with our separation of powers concerning private companies and compulsory acquisition laws,

        ‘The company also intends to fund the acquisition of the rail ­corridor, estimated at $1.2bn, but the legal apparatus to do so rests with the states and could be done through compulsory acquisition.’

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          Dennis

          Right now construction is underway in Sydney and Melbourne (not sure about other cities) to provide new transport routes including rail and light rail to cope with growing populations. Inner city houses are being resumed by government to make way for these projects and for taller buildings containing residential and commercial facilities, with parkland surrounding.

          The present population of Australia is 24 million and is expect to grow to 35 million within a couple of decades, and to continue growing. The master plan provides for cities outside the capital cities that will eventually accommodate over one million people in each.

          Therefore a high speed railway servicing Melbourne-Canberra-Sydney and later to Brisbane will be commercially viable and good for the economy.

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            Analitik

            The rail line cannot be commercially viable purely from a transportation POV unless jet fuel becomes prohibitively expensive.

            The whole commercial viability of the project depends on the development areas near the towns along the corridor into new inland “smart cities” – this is why Cathy McGowan backs this as the Indi electorate would benefit massively.

            CLARA has land under its legal control upon which to build its new regional cities. CLARA can truly capture the value from the land uplift and apply it paying for the high speed rail link.

            http://www.clara.com.au/the-clara-plan.html

            The “vision” hinges on these “smart cities” being sustainable, renewable, efficient, blah, blah, blah.
            So basically another Marxist redistribution of wealth from the real economy (the part that mines/grows/makes things) to the virtual Third Way economy.

            http://www.clara.com.au/smart-cities.html

            It’s a plan worthy of Stalinist Soviet Union or Maoist China – a giant spend for stimulus.

            In fact, CLARA should get Elon Musk to act as CEO – once his Tesla/SolarCity/SpaceX house of cards has collapsed, he should have plenty of spare time in confines of his US Federally provided accommodation.

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              Dennis

              The fast rail proposal is a private enterprise project, and the consortium has already acquired or have negotiations well in hand for most of the land required to construct the rail system and railway stations.

              Consider France and other European countries, the rail links have commercially viable passenger and freight revenue. Rail is a far better commuter transportation system than by air. Example, Goulburn people commuting to Sydney to work as the residents of Woking in England do between home and London.

              The economic advantage of a very fast rail network is very much capitalism at its best.

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                Analitik

                Population density makes Europe a very different prospect for mass transit infrastructure.

                CLARA is about property development with the rail link being the justification for these.
                If the consortium can fund it all themselves, then well and good but why all the political lobbying if not for all manner of concessions?

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              el gordo

              ‘…another Marxist redistribution of wealth from the real economy …’

              The Greens are pseudo Marxists and will remain a political rump unless they change their view on climate change.

              The real economy is in a state of flux, interest rates around the world are at rock bottom and we need a dose of inflation. Economic growth through infrastructure building maybe the only way to avoid depression.

              Ironically its the real Marxists who will show us the human face of capitalism.

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                Analitik

                What is your infatuation with China? I just don’t get it. The great success of China was due to a huge source of cheap labour which is now reaching its limits. The Chinese government has been trying to engineer a way around this but have admitted and are now trying to engineer a soft landing. We’ll see how that goes.

                “Growth” via inflation is nothing other than dilution of wealth – it’s a dead end. If we didn’t have central banks trying to “manage” the economy, we would experience wealth increase from resources sales or productivity improvements through decreasing costs.

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                Analitik

                but have admitted it hasn’t worked and

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              delcon2

              Hit the nail on the head. We will never benefit from it.
              [Editorial discretion applied -Fly]

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            Robber

            With the CFMEU in control it won’t be finished for 100 years and will cost More than 100 Desal plants.

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              Dennis

              An excellent point Robber, union power and union friendly industrial relations law, (un) Fair Work Australia, impacts adversely on national prosperity and building infrastructure for nation building.

              Work Choices was IR legislation for the IT Age, contractors replacing employees or sovereign individuals who work for themselves for other larger businesses, paid an hourly rate that includes provision for benefits provided by employers to employees but the contractor making own arrangements and provisions. The unions are very much opposed to this because they cannot control individuals not part of a work force of employees.

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                Dennis

                An excellent book, The Sovereign Individual, written by two UK based stockbrokers about the end of the Industrial Age late in the 1990s and the now Information Technology Age. How to survive it and how to prosper from it.

                Many of the new jobs have yet to be invented, but employees are being phased out in favour of contractors.

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          el gordo

          Thanx Yonnie that was terrific.

          Dennis the idea of decentralisation is utmost in the Coalition’s mind, but there are obvious problems on the ground.

          I live on the other side of the Blue Mountains and a large vacant lot recently came up for sale in the middle of town and snapped up by a consortium out of Albury-Wodonga.

          The building design presented to Council was rejected on the grounds that it looked like something from Beijing.

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            Analitik

            Did they have a nominated use for this proposed development. Or was it a “build it and business will come to the region and fill it” type of pitch?

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            Yonniestone

            I can understand the benefits of well planned and well intentioned project that benefits it’s people, BUT the highly cynical/suspicious nature that I’ve developed the past years leads me to think it’s nothing to do with decentralisation but a controlled population placement centralised along a rail line, with the attraction of different jobs/lifestyle for the young in surrounding rural regions these would economically collapse without new generations crating ghost towns.

            With a controlled population in major cities and along planned growth corridors anywhere outside them would be gradually legislated as off limits (for any socially responsible lie) creating a type of ‘Wildlands project’ that effectively stops any freedom of movement in ones own country.

            Agenda 21, 2030, 2040 call it what you want but don’t think people won’t or aren’t testing the waters.

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              el gordo

              Australia is opening up the bush, unlocking the land. The US completed their trans continental railway in 1869 using coolie labor, now its our turn but this time they will be the engineers and designers.

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                Yonniestone

                I would truly love to see this country get back to realising it’s achievements and potential, this can only be achieved a democratic mindset with a strong national pride, not through repressive socialism and fear mongering control.

                The old Aussie tradition of ‘having a go’ must be encouraged everywhere.

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                Dennis

                The Coalition have had a plan for Northern Australia for some time, connecting to the WA Ord River Scheme, irrigation of agricultural land, extended across the the North using rivers that carry huge amounts of water during the wet season by creating dams or barrages to harvest some of that flow. They also want to construct more dams all around Australia.

                The CSIRO has identified land the area of Europe that just needs development and water for irrigation and clever farmers who want to capitalise on the rapidly growing demand from Asia Pacific Region countries for food, emphasis on plants that they grow themselves but cannot grow enough even for their existing populations. Indonesia for example has over 240 million citizens and just under 50 million are middle class consumers. Compare that to our 24 million total population, less than half middle class.

                Agriculture should be one of Australia’s best future export opportunities. It is now, but could be a lot better.

                And consider the new towns, rail links, roads, airports and service industries that would follow.

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                Dennis

                A good start would be to remove the green and red tape regulations that all farmers are frustrated by and have been for decades.

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                el gordo

                ‘Agriculture should be one of Australia’s best future export opportunities. It is now, but could be a lot better.’

                I see greenhouse market gardens as far as the eye can see, with satellite cities attached to a bullet train network. The greenhouses will be force fed CO2 gas.

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                el gordo

                ‘… a democratic mindset…’

                I’m doing a straw poll: Would you be happy to keep Councils and States as a democratic process, but giving up the Federal tier of government?

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                Dennis

                The Switzerland political system?

                I don’t think that would work in a country as big as Australia.

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                Yonniestone

                ‘Would you be happy to keep Councils and States as a democratic process, but giving up the Federal tier of government?’

                As in the original Commonwealth federal government and the six state governments?, I think any reduction in Federal or state government would be a good thing, what people can’t see is the increased reliance on government ‘assistance’ is not in their best interests, the bigger the assistance the bigger the bureaucracy needed to deal it out and so it grows.
                Ask people what assistance government or local authorities provide and you’ll get everything from diversity to prevention awareness but rarely would they mention lack of rubbish bins, public toilets, police presence, footpaths, bus/train timetables that work or anything that used to positively effect rate or taxpayers in their daily lives.

                Seriously I’m not sure sometimes if people actually cared what governmental system ruled them as long as they had a good internet connection and ‘assistance’ to buy online crap.

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                el gordo

                Dennis the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region (HKSAR) of the People’s Republic of China would be an interesting starting point.

                Britain had tight control over Hong Kong for 150 years and democracy was nowhere in sight, until the mainland legally took the island back and gave the inhabitants limited democracy.

                The HKSAR has a two-tier system of representative government.

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                James Murphy

                In reply to el gordo – #3.3.2.2.4
                “…I see greenhouse market gardens as far as the eye can see, with satellite cities attached to a bullet train network. The greenhouses will be force fed CO2 gas…”

                Have a look at southern Spain via google maps (o equivalent) – about 150Km east of Malaga, there is an enormous collection of greenhouses, which appears as a very large white area on the coast – via Satellite view (or equivalent). This ~300 square kilometre (very very roughly) area provides a great deal of fruit and vegetables to Europe and beyond…

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                el gordo

                It definitely is the future for Australia, thanks James.

                http://www.amusingplanet.com/2013/08/the-greenhouses-of-almeria.html

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      That is good news scaper. Wish the best for Malcolm Roberts. He at least listens and looks at Jo’s blog. I hope he also reads Catallaxy Files (http://catallaxyfiles.com/) the economists there including Dr Judith Sloan and Prof Steve Kates understand economics which the treasury, ALP and most libs (including Turnbull, Bishop & Morrison) do not. Pauline will need help to understand economics.

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        Peter C

        That is good news scaper. Wish the best for Malcolm Roberts. He at least listens and looks at Jo’s blog.

        In that case, Malcolm, I hope you get in! Fingers crossed
        .
        I have followed some of your work. When the politicians and the Press cannot answer you they are inclined to just turn off and ignore you. Much harder if you have a seat in the Senate.

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    handjive

    Mystery ancient human ancestor found in Australasian family tree

    Previous research looking at the genomes of people living today has revealed that the Asia-Pacific arrivals mated with two hominin species they found there – the Neanderthals and the Denisovans.

    But when Jaume Bertranpetit at Pompeu Fabra University in Spain and his colleagues analysed the genomes of living Indigenous Australians, Papuans, people from the Andaman Islands near India, and from mainland India, they found sections of DNA that did not match any previously identified hominin species.
    ~ ~ ~
    On a remote island off the southern coast of Western Australia, a team of researchers have identified a connection between ancient landscapes and rich marine ecosystems.

    This scarp, now known as Salisbury Island, rises above a vast sandplain, submerged by the surging Southern Ocean.
    Rising some 80 to 100 metres above the flat coastal plain, this dramatic landform would have been a distinctive feature for the late Pleistocene inhabitants of this region.
    People roamed this area at a time when ocean levels were much lower during the height of the last Ice Age (ca. 18,000 years ago).

    “This place would have looked like Uluru in the red centre of Australia – a massive feature surrounded by low, flat bushland and rocky outcrops.
    It would have drawn my ancestors here, for the many resources it provided.”

    At this time, these caves would have been some 80-100kms from the coast.
    So we know people were living here, when they could walk to this limestone ridge.
    I am sure they would have targeted the coast and this unique landform.”

    The team were brought together by local marine wildlife expert, Marc Payne.
    He has spent a lifetime exploring the Archipelago, working as a commercial abalone diver, collaborating in scientific expeditions, and working to document and protect the marine habitats.

    Most recently, he has come to apply his knowledge of Great White Sharks:
    “I have noticed a lot of patterning in how the sharks use this Archipelago here. They have structure – they work movement corridors that link up habitats.

    His observations have directed the research program to explore potential patterns of prehistoric movement through this ancient coastal plain.
    “The Great Whites likely follow this limestone scarp, from the island, connecting other nodes and islands, and patrol this underwater ridge, where marine life is congregated.”

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    pat

    bit of fun.

    do a google search for “misogynistic remarks” … all but one of the first page of results is an attack on Donald Trump. sorry, Julia, Abbott is yesterday’s news.

    30 Jul: UK Express: Charles Peat: Sturgeon left HUMILIATED as poll finds Scots WANT to remain part of Britain despite Brexit
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/694881/Nicola-Sturgeon-Brexit-Scottish-independence-referendum-EU-Scots-leave-UK

    30 Jul: UK Express: David Maddox: BREXIT BOOM continues: Now 27 countries around the world want trade deal with UK
    The countries which want a deal with the UK are Australia, Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Canada, Chile, China, Colombia, Ecuador, Germany, Ghana, Iceland, India, Ireland, Japan, Kenya, South Korea, Mexico, New Zealand, Pakistan, Paraguay, Peru, Suriname, Switzerland, the United States, Uruguay and Venezuela.
    More are expected to follow…
    Meanwhile the UK is enjoying a “Brexit boom” in tourism because of the pound dropping in value by 13 per cent and thousands of foreign visitors deciding to spend their summer holidays here bringing in billions of pounds…
    The queue of countries lining up to do a trade deal with Britain comes despite President Obama’s ludicrous claim on a visit to Britain during the referendum campaign that the UK would “be at the back of the queue” for a trade deal.
    Presidential hopeful Donald Trump has already dismissed Mr Obama’s statement which many believe he was asked to make as a special favour to former Prime Minister David Cameron, who was leading Remain’s Project Fear campaign based on a series of false doom laden claims.
    It was noted at the time that Mr Obama had used the British word “queue” rather than the American English “line”.
    The threat was also made by other world leaders at press conferences with Mr Cameron including the Japanese Prime Minister whose country is also seeking a trade deal along with the US.
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/694787/BREXIT-BOOM-27-countries-around-world-want-trade-deal-UK

    28 Jul: ThisIsMoneyUK: FTSE CLOSE: Footsie posts gains on surprise UK growth of 0.6%
    The FTSE 100 closed up 26.40 points at ***6750.43 after the surprise news that the UK economy expanded 0.6 per cent in the spring despite uncertainty caused by the EU referendum…
    ‘The FTSE 100 made a one year high as second quarter GDP data came in ahead of expectations’…
    The FTSE 250 came close to erasing its post-Brexit vote losses thanks to a rally triggered by the UK economy’s strong performance in the second quarter…

    ***(the FTSE ended the week a little lower at 6,724.43)

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      TdeF

      Yes, in the Telegraph there is a fear of a boom in migration, citizenship and a real boom in tourism. Now who would want to live permanently in a basket case and why would they leave the very successful EU? Rule Brittania.

      Why would anyone want a political union in Europe anyway? It is hard enough to keep the made up countries together. Ask the Basques. Most countries are only creations of the 1860s and most have multiple cultures and languages internally. A common market, sure, just like the 1300s which built Europe, the Hanseatic league. One Government? Why? Still the French (1815) and the Germans (1918, 1945) had their turn and it didn’t work out. Strangely the problems were Britain and Russia. Again.

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    TdeF

    There is something stomach churning about the extreme stage managing of the nominations. The Streep primal scream. The Obama/Clinton hug. Both with their eyes closed. Remember, close the eyes! No Peeking! Who does that? You can imagine the conversation. I lied for you about Behghazi! Yes, but you can have the job now and I can get on with my golf.

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      Yonniestone

      I’d close my eyes too Tdef!…… and think of Melania……

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      delcon2

      Did you ever wonder why they put a 7 ft high fence around the DNC center?It’s to keep sheeple in till the”DemocRATS”can fleece them.
      Trump for President, Hillary for Prison – 2016

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    Graeme No.3

    I think Australia should go nuclear – a small bomb detonated over Canberra during a parliamentary sitting would be a definite benefit to Australia, esp. If at that time the left wing were holding a conference on civil rights for paedofiles well attended by reporters from the ABC.
    It is obvious that we are facing another 3 years of confusion, corruption and incompetence from our Government to add to the previous 9 years ( I exempt Abbott from that partly because of the obstruction from the Senate ) when waffle will be all that the “Elite” will offer.
    As an example I point to Frydenberg sprouting nonsense about the RET and the need for 23.5% renewables. He obviously believes that Global Warming caused by CO2 is happening and that “wind is cheap” and that renewables actually reduce emissions. Hopelessly ill informed and unable to think. And that is one of the “intelligent ” ones.
    The whole of Canberra just thinks of the rest of Australia as bogans and a never ending source of revenue to be thrown away on the latest inner city froth. Like I said, they are a curse and will be destructive to the Nation. A plague on them all.

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      Dennis

      Years ago a Japanese diplomat returning home to Japan commented that he could not understand why Canberra was located so far away from the centres of commerce and finance, in Japan the government is alongside these important areas of economic prosperity drivers.

      A diplomat from Greece who was once located in Canberra with his British born wife said that they felt isolated and looked forward to receiving mail bags from home to read newspapers to discover what was taking place in the world (this was before the internet). A nice place but so isolated and insular, Canberra.

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        Peter C

        Apparently Paul Keating also felt isolated from Europe and the Western World . He referred to Australia as the “Ass end of the World”

        Personally I am quite grateful to be living a peaceful western life so far away from the cultural trouble spots of the world

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      Analitik

      No, just hard-wiring the ACT grid inputs to purely reflect the outputs from their contracted 100% renewable sources would be sufficient. Phase shifting, step up transformers at the borders are perfectly feasible with today’s technology.

      For the present, Hornsdale (100 MW) and C00nooer Bridge (19.4 MW) windfarms have been contracted so 119.4 MW of ACT demand, at any time, should be restricted to the output of these farms. Then, as an example, when demand is 550W, they should be allowed 430.6 MW from the Victorian and NSW grid + whatever Hornsdale & C00nooer Bridge are producing. Once the contracted 80.5 MW Ararat wind farm comes online, the same demand would be “met” by 350.1 MW of general Victorian and NSW generation + the output of these 3 wind farms.

      How they cope with any shortfall (if, god forbid, that the wind farms ever produced less than their nameplate capacity) would be their business (and our entertainment).

      Or if they argue a capacity factor of say 33% vs nameplate should be applied, then power from the wind farms should be multiplied by 3 for the sake of the “renewable” power transmission. While this would reduce the times where there would be a shortfall, there would be times where demand was low and the wind was strong so they would have to deal with overvoltages (hence the step up requirement for the transformers).

      As an example, a mild but windy night might see demand down to 250 MW and a total (current) wind farm output of 98 MW. Then 294 MW would be pumped into the ACT grid and they could deal with the excess 44 MW as they see fit.

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      Robert O

      Tjhe problem with Canberra is the roads go arond in circles, National circuit etc., and the people do also.

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    Sceptical Sam

    I always knew there was a reason I never bought the Guardian, and now I have another. The Wotif founder Graeme Wood has invested his green left views to the tune of millions of dollars into it. At least until 2018 according to our green-left ABC. (They do stick together, don’t they).

    This is the person who tipped $200,000 into Tony Windsor’s failed bid at the recent Australian election to try and oust the Leader of the National Party and Deputy Prime Minister, Barnaby Joyce.

    Barnaby Joyce gave Windsor and his green left comrade with the money bags a lesson in politics and honesty. Windsor is history – and a good thig too. And I’m ever so pleased that Wood was parted from his $200,000 influence buying splurge by the voters in the electorate of New England. Well done. You’d have thought that Windsor, having sold his farm to the coal miners to dig up and generate electricity with, would hardly need Wood’s green bucks, would you? But then, who knows the limits to greed and hypocrisy?

    Wood is also an investor in Redflow (ASX: RFX), apparently, that thinks it can make batteries to store power and run a national economy on renewables. Perhaps Wood should have a chat the green left Labor boyos in South Australia about that. They’re all such great experts in transitioning a moribund economy into an even more moribund one.

    Anyway, should you be silly enough to have bought Redflow shares you’ll be pleased to know they’ve lost 30% of their value since 6 June this year. How does that ad go again? Ah yes; it’s a down, down. Just like Chicken Little. And the coming temperature trend.

    https://youtu.be/fT6Ezri-NJw

    According to today’s Weekend Australian, Wood also tipped in $1.6 million to the Greens in 2010 and another $500,000 to the Victorian Greens and $130,000 to the Tasmanians. They certainly know how to get their beaks into the trough, and Wood keeps on feeding it to them.

    Now let me see if there are some dots to be joined up.

    Money.
    Greens.
    Battery storage.
    Renewable energy target.
    Green’s balance of power.

    Nope. I can’t see anything there. Can you?

    What a pity the Greens’ forlorn hope of a repeat of its previous balance of power outcome was a dud this time around. Just like renewable energy in South Australia.

    Now that’s a real down, down. Fully plucked.

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      Dennis

      Tony Windsor has been close to Labor for many years, his cousin is Labor Spin Doctor Bruce Hawker, and he sold the family farm to coal mining interests with shareholders including Eddie Obeid the former NSW Labor Government Minister. At the 2010 and 2016 federal elections he was also supported by the union movement. And so was Rob Oakeshott who was also supported in 2010 after winning the 2008 by election for Lyne.

      The unions also donate to the Greens.

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        ianl8888

        … he sold the family farm to coal mining interests with shareholders including Eddie Obeid the former NSW Labor Government Minister

        You keep sprouting that, Dennis. I’ve pointed out before that it is not true – Obeid was not a major shareholder in Whitehaven.

        You are confusing the Mt Penny deposit (which Obeid was most certainly involved in, but briefly with Felix mining) with Maules Creek (which is a Whitehaven operation but not the Whitehaven mine that Windsor sold the land to).

        Perhaps you don’t think accuracy and truthfulness are important. Well, I think puffery is despicable. I know you have no regard for coal miners but you really should tell that to someone who cares. Just get your facts right.

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      Graeme No.3

      As someone from SA I hope Red Flow doesn’t get mentioned here. Our Cabinet is stupid enough to throw even more (borrowed) money down that drain.
      It appears that to believe in renewables requires a lack of knowledge of chemistry, physics, electricity generation, simple arithmetic and a complete lack of logic. Faith and gullibility are the prerequisites to belong to the Church of Firy Doom coming Real Soon.

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        Analitik

        I’m sure a ‘few’ of these is all SA needs – http://redflow.com/products/redflow-lsb/

        300kW, continuous 240kW and 600kWh per 20′ container, so to cover the 15% capacity factor of the SA wind farms vs the 1400 MW demand this morning, you’d only around 4845 of them [(1400 - 1580 * 0.15) / .24]. Of course that only lasts for 2.5 hours so after that, you’d need a ‘few’ more

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    stan stendera

    Off topic. Sorry. Anthony Watts has recently gone through a painful divorce. He wrote a moving post on his blog about his travails. I feel sure the vast majority of Jo’s regulars also go to WUWT. He conveniently has a somewhat rare open thread this weekend I humbly suggest we Novaites go to WUWT and pay our respects. I already have.

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    Kiwikid

    Hi
    NASA released thirty sequential OCO-2 CO2 images on 14th of April this year.
    They span from September 2014 to February 2016.
    They are a real eye opener and seriously question the IPCC carbon cycle theory.
    You can see them here
    http://www.blozonehole.com/blozone-hole-theory/blozone-hole-theory/carbon-cycle-using-nasa-oco-2-satellite-images

    Thanks. Interesting. I’m looking at it. – Jo

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      Yonniestone

      This is a really interesting link, using data from the NASA OCO-2 satellite system is very compelling.

      The link ‘The curious case of Earths leaking atmosphere’ gives thought to an even bigger picture of our systems.

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      Peter C

      Thanks Kiwikid,

      NASA seems to have been slow to release OCO2 data in visual format There is a lot of interesting stuff there. JO is looking at it so I will refrain from speculation just yet and see if there is a blog post about it.

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      theRealUniverse

      I believe nothing NASA says (on climate matters). Look at their political masters – US congress.

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      GrahamP

      The blozonehole paper seems to be suggesting that CO2 is being sequestered to space.

      These two references would suggest otherwise as CO2 is too large a molecule to be able to escape.

      However if proved correct it could overturn many a hypothesis.

      From
      http://phys.org/news/2016-07-curious-case-earth-leaking-atmosphere.html

      More recent studies have unambiguously confirmed another source – Earth’s atmosphere is constantly leaking! Alongside the aforementioned plumes, a steady, continuous flow of material (comprising oxygen, hydrogen, and helium ions) leaves our planet’s plasma sphere from the Polar Regions, replenishing the plasma within the magnetosphere. Cluster found proof of this wind, and has quantified its strength for both overall (reported in a paper published in 2013) and for hydrogen ions in particular (reported in 2009).

      Overall, about 1 kg of material is escaping our atmosphere every second, amounting to almost 90 tonnes per day.

      Singling out just cold ions (light hydrogen ions, which require less energy to escape and thus possess a lower energy in the magnetosphere), the escape mass totals thousands of tonnes per year.

      From

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_escape

      Earth is too large to lose a significant proportion of its atmosphere through Jeans escape. The current rate of loss is about three kilograms (3 kg) of hydrogen and 50 grams (50 g) of helium per second. The exosphere is the high-altitude region where atmospheric density is sparse and Jeans escape occurs. Jeans escape calculations assuming an exosphere temperature of 1,800 K show that to deplete O+ ions by a factor of e (2.718…) would take nearly a billion years. 1,800 K is higher than the actual observed exosphere temperature; at the actual average exosphere temperature, depletion of O+ ions would not occur even over a trillion years.

      Furthermore, most oxygen on Earth is bound as O2, which is too massive to escape Earth by Jeans escape.

      Earth’s magnetic field protects it from solar winds and prevents escape of ions, except near the magnetic poles where charged particles stream towards the earth along magnetic field lines. The gravitational attraction of Earth’s mass prevents other non-thermal loss processes from appreciably depleting the atmosphere. Yet Earth’s atmosphere is two orders of magnitude less dense than that of Venus at the surface.

      Because of the temperature regime of Earth, CO2 and H2O are sequestered in the hydrosphere and lithosphere.

      H2O vapour is sequestered as liquid H2O in oceans, greatly decreasing the atmospheric density.

      With liquid water running over the surface of Earth, CO2 can be drawn down from the atmosphere and sequestered in sedimentary rocks.

      Some estimates indicate that nearly all carbon on Earth is contained in sedimentary rocks, with the atmospheric portion being approximately 1/250,000 of Earth’s CO2 reservoir. If both of the reservoirs were released to the atmosphere, Earth’s atmosphere would be even denser than Venus’s atmosphere.

      Therefore, the dominant “loss” mechanism of Earth’s atmosphere is not escape to space, but sequestration.

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      Rereke Whakaaro

      Gidday Bro,

      Interesting bit of goss. And there was the IPCC, keeping their pet moggy, nice an’ snug in this bag, and along comes Kiwikid and lets the bugger escape. Nice one.

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      Bill Burrows

      NASA’s OCO-2 data, as documented at the blozonehole.com site linked by Kiwikid (also see https://youtu.be/_UEZqyGU5RU ) strongly suggests that Australia is a net CO2 sink for the greater part of the year. Compare the image colour scaling with other nations/continents. [Importantly these data sets cover a period experiencing a strong El Nino weather pattern]. The data sets also support the earlier findings of Detmers et al. (2015) – http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2015GL065161/abstract . The latter data were based on inversion of Japan’s GOSAT CO2 sensor information, collected during a La Nina weather pattern. The simple explanation for this net CO2 sink prevailing (averaged over years) for the Australian continent, is that we are a huge vegetated land mass supporting a total population that is smaller than that contained in many large individual world cities. And importantly our vegetation is thickening up (thanks to the rising atmospheric CO2 content and human management – mainly reduced fire incidence compared with that in pre-european times: see http://web.science.unsw.edu.au/~jasone/publications/liuetal2015.pdf for a 20 year trend of biomass carbon in our northern savannas).

      Unfortunately, the Australian government and its advisers have not grasped the fact that these data indicate we are already a net CO2 sink. So we have committed $2.5 billion towards funding Direct Action (and Labor’s Carbon Farming Initiative before it) to supposedly help us become better world CO2 citizens. I’m sure those funds could have been better spent elsewhere. [Those interested in Direct Action might find this link of interest: http://atse.uberflip.com/i/665800-focus-195-innovate-or-perish-thats-the-mantra-we-must-turn-our-ideas-into-world-products-and-services/29 ]. And if one more person claims that Australia is the highest per capita emitter of carbon dioxide in the world, I’ll scream so loud an astronaut would be able to hear me on the moon!

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    liberator

    So The Age – as usual shows its bias gets the following ‘comment’ published, it’s coals fault – the power price spikes in South Australia; http://www.theage.com.au/comment/coal-is-behind-the-attacks-on-wind-turbines-its-fighting-for-its-life-20160727-gqeln3.html

    How right/wrong is this comment? I’ve been reading the postings about the price spikes but don’t fully understand this. I like to be challenged and I honestly don’t trust The Age..I subscribe to it but I’m tired of the clear bias – but I rather this paper than the alternatives.

    Where can I get a reliable unbiased truth to this argument so I can make an informed judgement?

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    Dave

    ABC are at it again

    Building the fear of Bushfires in the coming 206 2017 season!
    One story has Victoria buying $11.1m of extra firefighting aircraft

    They have numerous articles on:
    The Hottest year ever
    The driest year ever

    Yet they omit:
    Eastern Australia one of the wettest winters
    Eastern Australia now has a huge fuel load from vegetation growth
    Eastern Australia has one of it’s lowest controlled burn regimes ever

    Wait for the

    “I TOLD YOU SO – IT’S CLIMATE CHANGE”

    regarding the future massive fire season coming up.

    Yet all responsibility will be blamed on CO2 – not on planning of controlled burns, firebreaks & another problem in Victoria is the Unionising of the Volunteer Firefighters!

    I see a bleak 2016 – 2017 fire season ahead – out of control!

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    PeterPetrum

    Following John Kerry’s recent claim that refigerators and air conditioners were more dangerous than ISIS, somebody started a petition at change.org to get Kerry to take all fridges and air conditioners out of all government buildings in the US. They needed 50,000 people to sign; so far they have more than 41,000 signatures and only need just over 8,000 to get the petition up. If you want to sign (just for the fun of it!) you can do so here.

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      Yonniestone

      Kerry could be right, I believe that truck in Nice was air conditioned.

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      Thank you Peter,
      I signed, Dog junior (AKC Dale Earnhart Jr.) signed, now licks face with doggy breath. Kitty ‘Shadow’ signed, and scowls “Wars my food”! :-)

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      tom0mason

      They could ‘recycle’ the A/Cs and fridges by dropping them on ISIS.
      Two stones for one bird…

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        Yonniestone

        Going by the large amount of refrigerator graveyards in the world there should be 72 for every ISIS fighter.

        Oh and they haven’t been opened for years. :)

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    theRealUniverse

    Chinese media on Trump and Clinton, one is MAD and a nutter, other is a ‘pian zi’ Chinese for crook! Take your pick.

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    James Murphy

    One of my numerous neighbours was obviously in the mood to dispose of things they no longer wanted, and amongst the small pile of books they left out for others to take, was, quite surprisingly, a copy of “SpaceShipOne, an illustrated History” by Dan Linehan, which documents the efforts to win the “Ansari X” prize -, which, to quote wikipedia (as I am lazy), was a “US$10,000,000 prize for the first non-government organization to launch a reusable manned spacecraft into space twice within two weeks.”

    I was aware of this programme, and the numerous previous achievements of the aircraft designer and engineer, Burt Rutan, but hadn’t really thought about him in a long time, so I started looking to see what I could see about other endeavours he has undertaken.

    It didn’t take long to realise that he is very much in the sceptic camp, which is a pleasant discovery, although I imagine this is not actually news to lot of people. Anyway, it seems he gives talks about his evidence stating that CO2 is not an evil and wicked compound – as the church of climate change would have us believe. There is a video here, which is long, but I am sure you’ll get the point without having to sit through it all.

    To be somewhat positive, it’s remarkable just how many truly talented, intelligent, and reasonable people are not fooled by hockey-stick graphs, poorly presented data, and abuse of statistical analysis, and how many can tell when the laws of physics have been ignored…

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    Much fun over at Dr. Spencer’s site: He is back now beating the s**t out of the likes of Stephen Wilde and others with no experience!
    http://www.drroyspencer.com/2016/07/the-warm-earth-greenhouse-effect-or-atmospheric-pressure/#comment-218041
    He seems now quite knowledgeable in what he does not know. Even more so in what all the rest do not know! :-)
    All the best! -will-

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      tom0mason

      Looks to me like the usual war of words about IR, temperature, colder and warmth. Nobody has defined their basics so misapplication and misunderstanding of each other abound. ‘Atmosphere’ appears to be used as a homogeneous gas fluid with uniform movement.

      The dynamic system such as the total Earth’s atmosphere will require a lot of finesse to come up with a description that fits our variable pressure, variable volume, with variable volume/pressure cells banding horizontally around the planet nearly up to the tropopause where ozone layers and fast winds sit, and above this stratified layers, some hot some very cold, till finally we meet space. Basically our planets air masses split into horizontal cells near the ground, and as they transition up they became ever more as vertically stacked layers.
      Add in solar winds, cosmic rays and all that space debris…
      Now add in some IR, energy balances, etc., etc …

      Ho-hum and so it goes on….

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        Indeed Tom,
        You clearly describe why “simple straightforward and wrong” never works!
        Dr. Roy himself now seems more tolerant of those that disagree yet have valid argument, while quickly dispatching those with only fantasy dogma! I wish there were a good site for “Nobody knows and here is why nobody knows”!
        All the best! -will-

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    Egor TheOne

    Trump for the White House, Hitlery for the Out House!

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    Andrew McRae

    Jo might be interested…

    Science research that wasn’t really science.
    Media completely uncritical of people in lab coats.
    Fuels dozens of popular books, TED talks, and megabucks in government grants.
    Then circular arguments discovered in everyone’s data processing.
    Approximately 40,000 papers invalidated.

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/07/07/the_great_brain_scan_scandal_it_isnt_just_boffins_who_should_be_ashamed/

    I particularly liked the journo’s phrasing here:

    Luvvies do tend to put scientists – of any discipline – on a pedestal, and it’s something the scientists do little to discourage.

    Sounds a bit like cli-sci doesn’t it? But the difference is the other dismal science hasn’t had its “fMRI Behaviourism” moment yet.

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    pat

    just noticed ABC has put up another attack on Trump. they are relentless. couldn’t believe i woke up this week to hear an ABC headline about how Hillary would go after big banks and reject “unfair trade deals”!

    27 Jul: Politico: Kenneth P. Vogel: George Soros rises again
    The billionaire, who had dialed back his giving, has committed more than $25 million to supporting Hillary Clinton and other Democratic candidates and causes
    The 85-year-old Hungarian-born New Yorker had planned to attend his first-ever Democratic convention here to watch Clinton, with whom he has a 25-year relationship, accept the Democratic presidential nomination on Thursday. But an associate said he decided to cancel the trip this week because Soros, who recently returned to active trading, felt he needed to closely monitor the economic situation in Europe.
    Nonetheless, people close to Soros say he seems more politically engaged than he’s been in years, motivated, they say, by a combination of faith in Clinton and fear of her GOP rival Donald Trump, who Soros has accused of “doing the work of ISIS” by stoking fears…
    The willingness of Soros to turn on the cash spigot full force to beat Trump is seen in Democratic finance circles as a very good sign for Clinton. Perhaps more than any other donor on the left, Soros is seen as having the potential to catalyze giving by other rich activists…
    And he played a formative role in the 2005 launch of a secretive club of major liberal donors called the Democracy Alliance. It sought to steer cash away from groups fighting short-term electoral battles and toward ones seeking to build intellectual infrastructure for long-term fights outside the Democratic Party, such as ***combating climate change, income inequality and the outsize role of big money in politics…
    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/george-soros-democratic-convention-226267

    perfect headline at CNN:

    29 Jul: CNN Money: Matt Damon rips Trump and bankers in MIT speech

    29 Jul: EconomicPolicyJournal: Hedge-Fund Money: $48.5 Million for Hillary Clinton, $19,000 for Donald Trump
    Owners and employees of hedge funds have made $122.7 million in campaign contributions this election cycle, according to the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics—more than twice what they gave in the entire 2012 cycle and nearly 14% of total money donated from all sources so far, reports WSJ.
    At the presidential campaign level, between the two remaining candidates, almost all of it went to Hillary Clinton. She got $48.5 million. Donald Trump got $19,000…
    http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2016/07/hedge-fund-money-485-million-for.html

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    pat

    Swing States:

    13 Jul: Politico: New swing-state polls released Wednesday by Quinnipiac University show Trump leading Clinton in Florida and Pennsylvania — and tied in the critical battleground state of Ohio

    30 Jul: Breitbart: Trent Baker: MSNBC’s Kasie Hunt: Dems ‘Privately Worried’ Pennsylvania Will Get Trump Into White House

    27 Jul: Marketwatch: Robert Shroeder: Supporters nervous Clinton won’t carry Pennsylvania
    A Republican presidential candidate hasn’t carried Pennsylvania since George H.W. Bush in 1988. But one recent Quinnipiac University poll showed Donald Trump would beat Clinton in the state, and her backers recognize the threat…
    Fifty-four percent of Pennsylvania voters said Trump would be better at creating jobs, versus the 39% who said the same thing for Clinton…

    check the pics at the following two links:

    30 Jul: ConservativeTreehouse: Clinton/Kaine Rally Draws “Crowd of Dozens” In Pennsylvania…
    According to a recent Suffolk University Poll Hillary Clinton has a commanding lead of 9 points in the battleground state of Pennsylvania. According to an Axiom Strategies poll, Donald Trump is leading in Pennsylvania by 23 points.
    Which poll is more accurate?…
    Dozens showed up to see Clinton-Kaine in Pennsylvania…(PIC)
    Two days ago Donald Trump was also in Pennsylvania (Scranton): (PIC)…
    TWEET Donald Trump: Can you imagine if I had the small crowds that Hillary is drawing today in Pennsylvania. It would be a major media event! @CNN @FoxNews
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/07/30/clintonkaine-rally-draws-crowd-of-dozens-in-pennsylvania/#more-119524

    28 Jul: ConservativeTreehouse: Donald Trump Hosts Largest “Ask Me Anything (AMA) Reddit” in History
    Donald Trump participated in the event between campaign stops in Scranton Pennsylvania and Toledo Ohio…
    Here’s Scranton (PICS)
    After the flight, Donald Trump arrived in Toledo Ohio to another sold out arena (PICS)…
    It won’t be close folks.
    It won’t even be close
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/07/28/donald-trump-hosts-largest-ask-me-anything-ama-reddit-in-history/

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    pat

    29 Jul: Zerohedge: Tyler Durden: Why Reuters is tweaking its presidential poll
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-29/why-reuters-tweaking-its-presidential-poll

    29 Jul: Breitbart: Neil W. McCabe: Shock Poll: Reuters/Ipsos Radically Changes Methodology to Favor Clinton
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2016/07/29/reuters-ipsos-poll-change-methodology/

    29 Jul: A new election poll released this morning (conducted on July 28) by the USC Dornsife / LA Times Presidential Election Poll shows that Donald Trump has 46.7% of the total popular vote, while Hillary Clinton lags behind with 40.6% of the popular vote. 2,188 people were surveyed.
    This is a very surprising result, considering that the Democratic National Convention usually gives the Democratic candidate a large boost in the polls. It did not seem to be the case this year for Hillary Clinton…
    http://regated.com/2016/07/new-election-poll-trump-6-democratic-national-convention/

    watch the video:

    VIDEO: 27 Jul: WNEP: Jim Hamill: Thousands line up in Scranton for Trump rally
    Donald Trump supporters started lining up Wednesday morning outside Lackawanna College’s Student Union to hear him speak.
    Even though many had tickets, some never got inside…
    Many were waiting since the early morning hours to see the GOP presidential nominee in the flesh…
    By noon, the line snaked all around the block, some three hours before the event started…
    A trio made the more than hour-long trip from Wyalusing in Bradford County, believing they can help Trump become president.
    “It’s more of an experience to see how people are devoted to him. It’s kind of awesome,” said Sarah Vaskas.
    “Just have all the hope for him,” added Hunter Brewster.
    There were hundreds of people in line with tickets who did not get inside to see the rally…
    http://wnep.com/2016/07/27/thousands-line-up-in-scranton-for-trump-rally/

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      toorightmate

      Clinton rolls out the parents of a Muslim soldier killed in Iraq and the media salivates.
      What would the media reaction be if Trump rolled out a few of the parents and loved ones of the poor souls who were slaughtered at Benghazi – courtesy of Clinton’s gross incompetence and negligence?

      [Due to 18C I ask commenters not to follow the race or ethnic topics of this subthread further. Sigh. Thanks for understanding. - Jo]

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        toorightmate

        AZ,
        Accepted gracefully, and understood.
        Regards,
        toorightmate

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        “[Due to 18C I ask commenter not to follow the race or ethnic topics of this sub-thread further. Sigh. Thanks for understanding. - Jo]”

        Certainly Pretty Lady!
        Can we still crap on the Witch with no reference to race, religion, et cetera, et cetera?

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    farmerbraun

    Post-mortem? He may just be correct about that ; aah , wouldn’t it be luvver-ley :-)

    http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.co.nz/2016/07/climate-change-activism-post-mortem.html

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    PeterC

    Rain is Falling Down

    Has anyone noticed how much rain Adelaide is getting?
    I was looking at the BOM weather radar this morning to check on the rain coming to Melbourne andI noticed that Adelaide seemed to be under a heavy rain system and not for the first time?

    Crow eaters, are the dams full in Adelaide?

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      Graeme No.3

      PeterC:
      Yes, and releasing water. They haven’t been so full for at least 2 years – it must be Climate Change!
      After the dry year in 2015, the rains have saturated the ground and high winds are bringing down trees onto houses, cars and power lines. The Councils are full of tree-worshippers so action isn’t permitted until it is too late. Most of the roads in the Adelaide Hills have trees growing right alongside the road, so disaster is always possible.

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      The dams are on average only 75% full, up from 49% a year ago.

      http://water.bom.gov.au/waterstorage/awris/

      You need to remember that the water levels are managed, so that there extra capacity to allow for more rain; sufficient water for a prolonged drought; and sufficient water flow in the rivers without flooding.

      The most dangerous policy is to assume Australia’s switching from drought to flood and back has ended due to “climate change”. Such beliefs could have exacerbated the Brisbane floods in 2012.

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    Colin

    Fear not PeterC, we have a desal plant on standby to deliver 300 Ml per day, if the rain ever stops.

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      Analitik

      All praise Timmy Flannelly for his foresight!

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      ColinAugust 1, 2016 at 9:51 am

      “Fear not PeterC, we have a desal plant on standby to deliver 300 Ml per day, if the rain ever stops.”

      Please for the rest of us!! What is meant by ’300 Ml per day’? is that milliliters or mega-liters per day? Does anyone know the measured capability of such desal plant? Is that water good for high purity pharmaceutical products or only plant irrigation and flushing toilets?

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        Peter C

        Apparently we are supposed to drink it.

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        Colin

        WillJ, the Adelaide desal plant has a rated capacity of 300 Mega-litres per 24 hour day, and I understand it has been tested to a figure somewhat in excess of that. The purity of the water may not be quite up to British Pharmaceutical Standard, but it is too pure to drink and has to be ‘contaminated’ with some hardening chemicals before distribution into the water reticulation system.

        It’s a very impressive bit of engineering well worth reading about. What a pity it is a complete waste of money and energy, as it has never been used in ‘anger’.

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          I’ve never been to SA but it sounds like a place good for high priced recyclable water; Pure H2O for precision manufacturing; leftover for potable, brewable; leftover for showerable, bathable; leftover for launderable; leftover for flushable. All of the stuff from runoff river, goes into arable crops and livestock. Firefighting uses only seawater (yous gots lots of dat). Alls you need is a government that wishes to do so. If you find one of those rare beasts, please send to the USA. We in turn will send all of our governments to you [snicker] :-)

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      For this backup facility, which may never be required, the lucky Victorian people are coughing up about $1.0bn a year thanks to the wise planning of a Labor Administration.

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    pat

    note the references to “global order” “global governance” in this letter.
    all the media talk is about the “personalities”, and the text of the letters is difficult to find in a copy and paste format, yet surely we should be discussing Rudd’s seeming obsession with UN/global governance:

    Kevin Rudd letter to Malcolm Turnbull 4 April 2016.
    http://michaelsmithnews.typepad.com/.a/6a0177444b0c2e970d01b8d20b0169970c-pi

    Economist – unsurprisingly – come out fighting for globalism:

    30 Jul: Economist Editorial: Globalisation and politics: The new political divide
    Farewell, left versus right. The contest that matters now is open against closed
    Republicans who are serious about resisting the anti-globalists should hold their noses and support Mrs Clinton…
    But the polls are worryingly close. The future of the liberal world order depends on whether she succeeds.
    http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21702750-farewell-left-versus-right-contest-matters-now-open-against-closed-new?cid1=cust/ednew/n/bl/n/20160728n/owned/n/n/nwl/n/n/n/n

    another take, but still comes across as favouring globalism:

    10 Jul: The American Interest: Jonathan Haidt: When and Why Nationalism Beats Globalism
    And how moral psychology can help explain and reduce tensions between the two.
    (Jonathan Haidt is a social psychologist and professor in the Business and Society Program at New York University—Stern School of Business. He is the author of The Righteous Mind: Why Good People are Divided by Politics and Religion)
    What on earth is going on in the Western democracies? From the rise of Donald Trump in the United States and an assortment of right-wing parties across Europe through the June 23 Brexit vote, many on the Left have the sense that something dangerous and ugly is spreading: right-wing populism, seen as the Zika virus of politics…
    Chapter Four: What Now?
    Donald Tusk, the current president of the European Council, recently gave a speech to a conclave of center-right Christian Democratic leaders (who, as members of the educated elite, are still generally globalists). Painfully aware of the new authoritarian supremacy in his native Poland, he chastised himself and his colleagues for pushing a “utopia of Europe without nation-states.” This, he said, has caused the recent Euroskeptic backlash: “Obsessed with the idea of instant and total integration, we failed to notice that ordinary people, the citizens of Europe, do not share our Euro-enthusiasm.”
    Democracy requires letting ordinary citizens speak…
    http://www.the-american-interest.com/2016/07/10/when-and-why-nationalism-beats-globalism/

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    pat

    Stephen Cohen is married to progressive leftist Katrina vanden Heuvel, editor, publisher, and part-owner of the magazine The Nation, & member of the Council on Foreign Relations, etc (see Wikipedia):

    30 Jul: RealClearPolitics: Tim Hains: Russia Expert Stephen Cohen: Trump Wants To Stop The New Cold War, But The American Media Just Doesn’t Understand
    Stephen F. Cohen, professor emeritus of Russian studies at NYU and Princeton, spoke with CNN’s ‘Smerconish’ Saturday morning about Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin, and the ‘New Cold War.’
    Cohen says the media at large is doing a huge disservice to the American people by ignoring the substance of Trump’s arguments about NATO and Russia, and buying the Clinton campaign’s simplistic smear that Trump is a Russian “Manchurian candidate.”
    “That reckless branding of Trump as a Russian agent, most of it is coming from the Clinton campaign,” Cohen said. “And they really need to stop.”
    “We’re approaching a Cuban Missile Crisis level nuclear confrontation with Russia,” he explained. “And there is absolutely no discussion, no debate, about this in the American media.”
    “Then along comes, unexpectedly, Donald Trump,” he continued, “Who says he wants to end the New Cold War, and cooperate with Russia in various places… and –astonishingly– the media is full of what only can be called neo-McCarthyite charges that he is a Russian agent, that he is a Manchurian candidate, and that he is Putin’s client.”
    “This is a moment when there should be, in a presidential year, a debate,” he said. “And that is not what we are given in the media today.”…
    FULL TRANSCRIPT
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/07/30/russia_expert_stephen_cohen_trump_wants_to_stop_the_new_cold_war_but_the_america_media_just_doesnt_understand.html

    CNN managed a mere 5minutes 4seconds for the debate!

    Youtube: 5mins04secs: Russia scholar Stephen Cohen shuts down CNN shill host who tries to link Trump to Putin
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCMyHJJrdDw&feature=youtu.be

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    pat

    couple of followups:

    31 Jul: Breitbart: Aaron Klein: Attack of the Globalists: Magazine Owned By Hillary Mega-Backer Urges Republicans To Vote Clinton
    An article published over the weekend by the Economist warns that an America governed by “wall-builders” will be “poorer and more dangerous,” while urging Republicans to support Hillary Clinton instead of Donald Trump, who, the magazine claims, has “sucked confidence out of global institutions.”
    Unmentioned in the article is that the Economist Group, which owns the controlling stake in the magazine, is partially owned by the famous Rothschild family. Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild (pictured) also sits on the Economist Group’s board. She is a top Clinton supporter, donor, and fundraiser, and has done work with the Clinton Foundation and donated to the foundation.
    De Rothschild is such a staunch Clinton supporter she became a “PUMA” (“Party Unity My Ass”) activist after Clinton lost the Democratic primary to Barack Obama and she supported John McCain in protest…READ ON
    http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2016/07/31/attack-globalists-magazine-owned-hillary-mega-backer-urges-republicans-vote-clinton/

    1 Aug: Breitbart: Neil W. McCabe: Exclusive: Pat Caddell Blasts Reuters’ Back-Rigging Polls to Show Clinton Winning
    Speaking exclusively to Breitbart News, political polling pioneer Pat Caddell said the Reuters news service was guilty of an unprecedented act of professional malpractice after it announced Friday it has dropped the “Neither” option from their presidential campaign tracking polls and then went back and reconfigured previously released polls to present different results with a reinterpretation of the “Neither” responses in those polls.
    “This comes as close as I have ever seen to cooking the results,” said the legendary pollster and political consultant. “I suppose you can get away with it in polling because there are no laws. But, if this was accounting, they would put them in jail.”…
    “What they have done is unprecedented, he said. “They have now gone back and changed their results.”…
    Caddell cited two examples to Breitbart News…
    Instead of figuring out what public opinion reality is, the propaganda polls are created to change existing public opinion reality.
    “This idea of ‘We need a poll to give the result we want’ to fit either our ideological or political needs is beyond dangerous,” he said.
    “It is dangerous because it drives the news coverage and it is all by design now, which is why everyone is in such shock at what Reuters did.”
    http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/07/30/exclusive-pat-caddell-blasts-reuters-back-rigging-polls-to-show-clinton-winning/

    btw…

    31 Jul: ConservativeTreehouse: Second Day On Campaign Trail and Clinton-Kaine Cancel Cleveland Ohio Appearance…
    “CLEVELAND – Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton and her running mate Tim Kaine will no longer be visiting Cleveland on Sunday.”…

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    Dennis

    The Land Newapaper

    TENSIONS between Independent MP Tony Windsor and Queensland Nationals Senator Barnaby Joyce flared up in a robust exchange in the parliamentary press gallery in Canberra on Wednesday.

    As politicians walked the press gallery discussing the previous night’s budget, Mr Windsor and Senator Joyce unexpectedly crossed paths, sparking a brief but fiery exchange.

    Senator Joyce had earlier used parliamentary privilege to try and link the $4.625 million sale of Mr Windsor’s family farming property to Werris Creek Coal, a subsidiary of Whitehaven Coal, and corruption allegations against former NSW Labor Resources Minister Ian Macdonald.

    Relations between the pair are already strained with Senator Joyce challenging for Mr Windsor’s New England seat at the upcoming federal election, in a bid to enter the Lower House.

    Senator Joyce said he was “accosted” by an angry Mr Windsor who told him to “say it outside”.

    Mr Windsor was referring to the comments Senator Joyce made in a three-minute speech in Senate debate on Tuesday on Mr Windsor’s Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Amendment (EPBCA) Bill, which is linked to water protection measures for coal and coal seam gas (CSG) mining projects.

    Senator Joyce said the Bill – which has already passed the Lower House – would be supported by the Coalition and Mr Windsor was one of its “grand architects”.

    “Minister Macdonald was the minister in NSW when Mr Windsor sold his place for a very good price; for a very good price,” Senator Joyce said in the Senate debate.

    Mr Macdonald is currently the subject of a high profile corruption investigation in NSW over allegedly corrupt mining deals.

    ……….

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    Dennis

    Ian, I am very supportive of coal mining, of mining as it is an important sector of the Australian economy and export trade.

    This link regarding my earlier comment might be of interest to you;

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/obeid-family-and-friends-reap-millions-from-lucrative-coal-licences-20120520-1yz31.html

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      ianl8888

      Dennis

      The Werris Creek open cut, owned and operated by Whitehaven, was the mine that Windsor sold land to. This sale allowed the mine to continue operating – I have stood on the low wall with the mine geo and mapped out the boundaries of ex-Windsor land.

      Obeid and family were involved with a transaction in the Bylong Valley known as Mt Penny. Obeid et al owned the farm land and agreed to sell it to the potential mining organisation for a large consideration. (ICAC have maintained that Obeid essentially acted with insider trading knowledge).

      Obeid is/was NOT a major shareholder in Whitehaven. Werris Creek (Whitehaven) was a kerfuffle in Gunnedah and environs as Windsor was the patron of the local “no mines here” activists (Caroona) when he sold the land !

      I should also add that despite the MSM reporting and the ICAC allegations, there are no “secret coal maps”. All drillhole logs and seismic results are required to be lodged with the relevant Dept and geos (like me) regularly access the Deptl database (for a modest cost).

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    Lewis P Buckingham

    http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-whats-warming-the-world/

    Needs analysis.
    It would appear to be a summa of the warmist argument.

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    Sane Canadian

    NOt climate related, unless you ask a warmist as they claim everything is the fault of CAGW/climate change:

    At the Olympics, Lebanese athletes refused to share a bus with Israeli’s. A clear breach of the Olympic oath and rules/principles of sportsmanship.

    http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2016/08/06/report-lebanese-olympics-team-wouldnt-allow-israelis-board-shared-bus/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

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