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Monckton on tour — slick oil funded operation ;-)

The animated Christopher Monckton

 

Apologies for the lack of posting, Christopher Monckton is staying with us, he’s in the kitchen right now, and we’ve had an event on, or radio interviews, or high level log-graph must-do calculations every day. It’s been marvelous, and as it happens, very productive (though not conducive to writing posts).

Christopher was in absolutely fine form on Wednesday night in Perth, as he tackles the teetering health of Western Civilization. The crowd was filled with many new faces — people who missed Monckton on previous tours, and were delighted to finally get the chance to see him. There were  “undecideds” bought in by skeptical friends, as well as some believers-of-man-made-global warming (good on them for turning up).

What was also especially obvious at the Dalkeith-community-Hilton was the generous support of the Oil Moguls (not). We arrived half an hour ahead to find that there was no stand for the enormous projector screen. Dr David Evans sorted that out with great improvisation under pressure. (What he didn’t do was phone an emergency support contractor at great expense to turn up and save the day and send the bill to some Australian Government agency. )

 

The crowd were so impressed they hardly noticed the stand, discretely visible here in the background….

Note the 5- Star projector screen infrastructure (above and below).

Essential ingredients: 6 trestle tables and 4 bricks. It performed very well (though Occ Health and Safety would have been apoplectic.)

Readers under 18 — don’t try this at home. ;-)

O’where is that Exxon cheque?

..

Information for the Perth Events:

THE UN’s climate change chief, Rajendra Pachauri, has acknowledged a 17-year pause in global temperature rises, confirmed recently by Britain’s Met Office.

 “..Dr Pachauri, the chairman of the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, said that open discussion about controversial science and politically incorrect views was an essential part of tackling climate change. .. no issues should be off-limits for public discussion.”

  “People have to question these things and science only thrives on the basis of questioning,” Dr Pachauri said. He went on to say there was “no doubt about it” that it was good for controversial issues to be “thrashed out in the public arena”.

 Lord Monckton, recently at Doha, revealed this embarrassing 17 year pause and called for the science and economics to be reviewed.

 So is the end NOT nigh?

 When people hear this wonderful news surely there will be dancing in the streets.

 So if the climate models are wrong, and they appear to be, even by the modellers own criteria, THE WORLD IS NOT GOING TO END!

 According to official UN IPCC global temperature datasets, the length of time WITHOUT ANY MEASURABLE WARMING has been 16 Years, 18 Years, 19 Years or in the case of the most accurate satellite dataset, 23 Years (depending which official UN IPCC dataset is used).

 Lord Monckton will present the Due Diligence on the science and economics of Global Warming for the people of Perth and particularly the academic community at UWA, because our governments won’t.

 Learn how the latest Climate Commission report was produced, and why.

 Lord Monckton is here to inform the people of Perth on the economic shackles and loss of property and other rights occurring under the Carbon Tax; the Climate Scam and the UN Agenda 21 program and how it is so much less in terms of economic costs and loss of rights, to adapt than to try to stop any global warming.

 Through our ‘ever vigilant and fierce free press’, and through his public presentations, Lord Monckton will explain what this lack of any measurable warming for 17 years actually means to the Australian people. For a start, if it hasn’t been warming, it can’t be worse than we thought, can it? And so called ‘extreme weather events’ can’t be blamed on global warming, when we haven’t had any global warming for 17 years.

 Lord Monckton also asks Professor Tim Flannery, Australia’s Chief Climate Commissioner on $180k for three days a week, and the Prime Minister “Why have you not happily broadcast to the Australian people, the wonderful news of No Global Warming for 17 years?”

 For tickets at the Perth venues below:

 For telephone sales ring and leave a message for Mike 03 9852 2320 at the Lord Monckton Foundation www.lordmoncktonfoundation.com or for internet booking Ticketek for full details and ticket sales.

 Tickets will also be available at the door.

·         Friday 8th March: 6:30 pm Climate Sceptics Social Gathering fund raiser at Subiaco Hotel until 10:30

·         Saturday 9th March: Evening (7:30 pm) Wilsmore Lecture Theatre (Bdg. 210) University of Western Australia, Crawley, Hackett Rd Entrance 2

The Monckton Tour goes to Queensland, NSW, ACT, Victoria, and NZ

Queensland next week (Brisbane, Cairns, Gold Coast, Rockhampton), then Canberra, Wagga and Albury the week after, more dates in Sydney, Melbourne, Geelong, Bendigo, and then New Zealand. See the LordMoncktonFoundation for dates and booking details.

Email  Elisha Ladhams <ladhamsej AT gmail.com>

(Swap the “AT” for a “@”, no spambots allowed).

 

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259 comments to Monckton on tour — slick oil funded operation ;-)

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    Quack

    Whoot!!! I still want to see the outcome from him and juliar in the same hotel!!!

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      Eddie Sharpe

      So much better staying with friends in the lovely Perth suburbs, than slumming it in Sydney with the Hard Left crowd down from the ECT for company.

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      Greebo

      Julia has been avoiding the locals “out west”, for fear she may be mugged by a constituent with a question. It’s doubtful, to say the least, that she’d stick her head above the parapets if there was a chance Lord Monckton could put a shot across her bows. What a 30 second grab THAT would be on the Moan Stream Meeja! Tracy would have an attack of the vapours!

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      Dennis

      She could not debate carbon dioxide tax with him, she would not recognise Co2

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    AndyG55

    Gees, where did David get his engineering degree! I thought he was a mathematician ! :-)

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      Eddie Sharpe

      Was the Classical Architecture any help in the construction and what brave soul climbed atop to attach the screen ?

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      Joe V.

      It looks like LM was lucky, that the bricks didn’t come down on his bonce, under the weight of that screen.

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    AndyG55

    And Jo, have you sent a personal invitation to Mr Lewindowsky and friends to attend the lecture at UWA ?

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    1) It looks like you used too many tables.

    2) Wilsmore LT was, IIRC, where I had lectures in Chemistry 110 (as well as horrendous exams). The chemistry included some organic chemistry; you know the stuff dealing with derdy carbon.

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    Jaymez

    At least you could rely on the tables used to support Monckton’s graphs!

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    Gary Mount

    You have a typo – bought instead of brought.

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    janama

    Good on you Jo – what a wonderful house guest to have :)

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    Graham Jeffs

    Hi Jo really enjoyed Lord Moncktons talk the other night. He’s got som serious stamina keeping up the vibrant and entertaining delivery for a good 2 hrs. Thanks to yourself and others for arranging it all, only sorry I couldn’t make the dinner meeting.

    Excellent coverage of the climate debate by Lord Monckton, I’m yet to be convinced regarding the Agenda 21 issue however.

    Thanks again for the good work.

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      cohenite

      I’m yet to be convinced regarding the Agenda 21 issue however.

      This might help you get up to speed on Agenda 21.

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        The Black Adder

        Thanks for those links Cohers!!

        I can’t wait to hear Lord Monckton and his views on Agenda 21 next Friday Night in Cairns.

        It seems our Govts are selling us up and no one is doing anything about it!!

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        handjive

        Social Justice — a term, incidentally, coined by none other than Karl Marx.

        Marxism is all the rage in the international circles, but local proponents, planning groups, planning departments, and elected officials deny any such connections to their planning programs. Is there one?

        Well, as Agenda 21 has been enforced in more and more policies, the perpetrators have grown more and more bold in openly revealing the truth.

        See if you don’t recognize some of your community’s local planning programs:

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          RoHa

          “Marxism is all the rage in the international circles”

          Piffle. Since the dissolution of the Soviet Union, Marxism has been largely rejected. It is official doctrine in China, but no-one there takes it seriously. North Korea is about the only hold-out.

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            Backslider

            I suggest that you go to a Labor party meeting and listen to them all greet each other as “comrade”.

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            Ace

            During the Cold War anyone attempting to import Marxist ideology into institutional or industrial life was liable to be labelled a subversive and blacklisted. These blacklists blocked employment. Well I am referring to the UK, specifically. We had The Economic League which pooled blacklists for industry. But the security services had it as one of their principle roles.

            As a teenager I went one day to a college careers talk on “Ministry of Defence” given by a cool sharp spoken young lady who, it eventually became clear, was actually from MI5. The job she described consisted of compiling dossiers on individuals and groups by means of published media, what is now called OSINT.

            The UK was in fact home to a great many people taking pay and instruction directly from behind the Iron Curtain, particularly the DDR. But anyone, from a feminist to an environmentalist who challenged the status quo was liable to be labelled a subversive.

            When the Cold War ended, and the DDR and then the USSR dissapeared, this environment dissapeared with it. Suddenly there were no checks on subversion. In fact, what would have been billed subversion is now called “The Social Model” and is orthodox policy throughout the entirety of non-elected government institutions, local government, academia, education and the media. Sometimes aspects of it arecalled Political Correctness but this disguises the origin and basis for those tips of the iceberg that break surface, being good old fashioned Marxist doctrine.

            The Communists lost their states but the tumourof Marxism simply metastasised and is now part of he very tissue of the British state.

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            Roy Hogue

            The UK was in fact home to a great many people taking pay and instruction directly from behind the Iron Curtain, particularly the DDR. But anyone, from a feminist to an environmentalist who challenged the status quo was liable to be labelled a subversive.

            Ace,

            And so it was also in the U.S. The fall of the Soviet Union may turn out to be the best thing ever to happen to Marxist ideology. What was fiercely resisted while a visible threat existed was suddenly and silently integrated into a large sector of western society when the visible threat went away.

            No one was watching where the rats went when their ship sank. The rest is history.

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            RoHa

            Piffle again. Reds-under-the-beds paranoia.

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        Leo Dorfman

        Another Interesting revelation re Agenda 21 is here

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      observa

      Not convinced about where these warmists are coming from?
      Let a confessed fraudster and would be board member of the Heartland Institute explain it to you in his own words-

      In 1987, the Cold War was starting to warm up, but so was the Earth. The Berlin Wall was starting to come down, but nascent political and ideological threats were emerging. Traditional academic disciplines were searching for new language, tools, and answers to interdisciplinary problems. The concept of sustainability was just being introduced, but there was a growing appreciation that problems of the environment, economy, and society were intricately linked.

      This idea drove us to create the Pacific Institute. We believed that global problems and effective solutions in the 21st century would require innovative ways of thinking, seeing, and doing.

      For two decades the Institute has been providing unbiased, thoughtful, and innovative analysis and solutions.
      Through our efforts and commitment, the Pacific Institute has become a place where we work effectively with the
      residents of West Oakland one day and the Secretary General of the United Nations the next.

      Now do you get it?

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    Brett_McS

    Where’s the stockman’s hat!?!?!

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      Eddie Sharpe

      Look, it has to be said. Lord Monckton doesn’t do hats well. The stockman’s hat was far from his worst, but he is a much more commanding figure in just the topper the Lord gave him and that’s who people come to see.
      It is of course only courtesy to wear hats that have been offered as gifts for a time as well as from time to time but if you’re thinking of a gift for Christopher, we want to keep seeing that noble head unfettered.

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        Rod Stuart

        For a mathematician, he is an imposing individual. I had to look up at him, and I don’t do that with many people. And that handshake is not what I expected either.

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    JFC

    When is he going to release his cure for AIDS?

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      AndyG55

      Why? do you need it ?

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        JFC

        No Andy, but the world needs it along with his other wonderful cures. But seriously if he has a cure for AIDS we really need to know about it. The problem of AIDS is huge in sub-Saharan Africa. How are the clinical trials going, what is the state of play in the development of it? These are fair questions surely?

        After all these are his claims and being the gladiator for truth that he so obviously is he wouldn’t mislead us would he? The hopes of millions of desperate people are a stake here.

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          Joe V.

          There is no magic cure for AiDS, but there are now many treatments with which to manage it effectively. The problem for developing countries is in accessing these treatments.
          We are unlikely to hear much about the efficacy of Monckton’s treatment on AiDS or anything else because clinical trials are so tied up in red tape and he doesn’t talk about his charity work.

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          AndyG55

          “these are his claims”

          No, moron.. They bare a newspaper’s misrepresentation of the what discussed

          And you got SUCKED IN AGAIN..

          You super-GULLIBLE braindead zombie.

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      Snafu

      You’re an idiot.

      (sorry Mods)

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      Graeme No.3

      Where were you when they needed a dense, immobile thingy to hold the screen?

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      What the!

      Dear JFC,

      You have finally removed almost all doubt I formally had about your comments on this blog.

      You are obviously commenting on a totally different subject from everyone else.

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      Rereke Whakaaro

      When is he going to release his cure for AIDS?

      When are you going to substantiate these one-line comments?

      Where is the evidence to back up this assertion?

      You can either give a reference right here, and thereby prove your point.

      Or you can admit that you are only repeating an unsubstantiated rumour, that you may have heard somewhere. from someone, at some time, which may be total crap.

      Come on. This is your chance to shine.

      But not responding one way or the other will say a lot about your intellectual ability and your integrity and how much backbone you have.

      So what is it to be?

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        Sugarplumfairy

        Hi Rereke,

        From the UKIP website : http://www.ukip.org/content/latest-news/1675-christopher-a-man-of-many-talents

        2008-present: RESURREXI Pharmaceutical: Director responsible for invention and development of a broad-spectrum cure for infectious diseases. Patents have now been filed. Patients have been cured of various infectious diseases, including Graves’ Disease, multiple sclerosis, influenza, and herpes simplex VI. Our first HIV patient had his viral titre reduced by 38% in five days, with no side-effects. Tests continue.

        And in his own words : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl2lShU6zD0

        The relevant comments start at 2min 35 sec mark.

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          Just last week on this blog Monckton explained the video was cut to show him saying something he never said. Shame you missed that eh?

          The [BBC] creep who made the programme had visited me in Scotland and asked me, on camera, about the medical invention that cured me of 25 years’ crippling illness four years ago. I had said it showed promise against various infections, but until we had done the clinical trials that are now in preparation we were not making any claims.

          The creep said my answer was too long and complicated. He asked me simply to list the diseases the invention might be effective against. I said, “We have had some promising indications and, subject to clinicial trials, it is possible that we can cure [followed by a list of infections]”. The clip was edited dishonestly. What was broadcast was “We can cure the list of infections]”.

          In no time an Australian climate extremist at Melbourne “University” had complained to the medical regulators in the UK that I was conducting unauthorized clinical trials. The complaint failed when I pointed out that the BBC programme had evilly tampered with what I had said, the extremist had lied in correspondence and, in any event, he had no standing to interfere.

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            JFC

            Shame you got suckered again Nova.
            [You either make a constructive comment that adds to the discussion, on either side of the debate, or you get banned. These one-liners add nothing, and are a waste of space] Fly

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            Greg House

            Joanne Nova says (10.5.1.1): “Just last week on this blog Monckton explained the video was cut to show him saying something he never said.”
            ============================================
            Right, he explained that, but, unfortunately, what he said last week on this blog contradicts the quotation Sugarplumfairy referred to.

            Here Monckton said, “I said, “We have had some promising indications and, subject to clinicial trials, it is possible that we can cure [followed by a list of infections]””, but there in his biography you can read, “Patients have been cured of various infectious diseases, including Graves’ Disease, multiple sclerosis, influenza, and herpes simplex VI. Our first HIV patient had his viral titre reduced by 38% in five days, with no side-effects.” (http://www.ukip.org/content/latest-news/1675-christopher-a-man-of-many-talents). And this second one is older.

            “Can, possibly” and “have been cured” are different things.

            In the article the UK Independence Party presented “UKIP’s new joint Deputy Leader, Christopher Monckton” and provided a summary of his academic and work history. If they did not hire a detective to gather all that detailed information, the only source could have been Christopher Monckton himself. The article is dated “Friday, 4th June 2010″ and could have long been corrected if there had been something wrong with the information.

            Anyway, these two things do not fit together, sorry.

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            Rereke Whakaaro

            Shame you haven’t got the guts to either front up with some evidence, or to admit you were w-w-wr-wr-wrong.

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            Eddie Sharpe

            Never mind the being useless & a waste of space. The tone was just pure offense.

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            Sugarplumfairy

            Hi Jo,

            Monckton explained the video was cut to show him saying something he never said

            I’ve watched the video many times, but for the life of me I cannot pick the edit points. The words are perfectly synchronised with the vision. All motion is smooth and flowing, there are no sudden movements you would expect from all that cutting and pasting etc. Maybe you can help by defining all those edit points.

            But it appears the boys at the UKIP still think he has the magic. It says: “Patients have been cured of various infectious diseases, including Graves’ Disease, multiple sclerosis, influenza, and herpes simplex VI.” Monckton should have it taken down, then there would be no confusion. He has obviously had the opportunity to do it, so why is it still there? It’s shame you missed that, eh?

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            Monckton tells me that in the BBC interview he made it clear that they could not know anything for certain until they had results from clinical trials. The director said his explanation was too long, and asked if he could it repeat it in a shorter form. Monckton says he obliged and that even that shorter form was misleadingly edited to deceive the BBC audience.

            The director knew what Monckton had said.

            Some poor fools think that all BBC directors are journalists who give them an accurate story. The rest know it ain’t so, but have to pay anyway.

            I guess you don’t have any problem with Moncktons climate sensitivity calculations then just support your religion with a mistaken ad hom?

            What’s it got to do with the climate?

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            Sugarplumfairy

            Hi Jo,

            Well, that would have to be the slickest editing job I have ever seen. Whoever did it deserves an Oscar. Again, show me the edit points but until then please excuse me if I find Monckton’s explanation just a tad incredible.

            However it still doesn’t explain why his mates at the UKIP have him curing those diseases. You still ignore this fact.

            Reviewing my comments, I cannot see any ad hom against the VMOB. It must be your imagination.

            And what’s it got to do with climate??? Nothing: it’s all to do with credibility. Many members of the Skeptic/Denialist community stoop to unprecedented levels to smear Climate Scientists and others like Al Gore and Tim Flannery. Surely the VMOB can accept some questioning regarding his public statements.

            Finally, as I sit here sweating it out at 10.00pm, I find it noteworthy that much of Australia is experiencing a prolonged and unseasonably hot period of weather coinciding with Monckton’s visit.

            Could this be the start of the “Monckton Effect” ?????

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          Rereke Whakaaro

          Well Sugar,

          And in addition to Jo’s response …

          You obviously know very little about the way that corporate business works, so I deduce that you are not a Commerce, or Business Studies, student.

          The UKIP biography states, in the portion that you choose to highlight, that Christopher Monckton is a, “Director responsible for invention and development … “.

          Please note that it does not say “Executive Director” nor “Managing Director”. That difference is significant.

          Directors meet, as a “Board”, on a regular basis to oversee (that is monitor) the activities of a company. They do not directly manage any part of the company, and in most cases have no direct contact with anybody in the company other than the Chief Executive Officer (or General Manager, to use the English equivalent term). All decisions are made collectively by the entire Board, and communicated directly to the CEO, and nobody else. To do otherwise would create anarchy.

          Boards can, and do, appoint specific Directors to specialise in the oversight of various areas of the business. Thus, the “Finance Director” will overview the financial reports submitted to the Board (by the Chief Financial Officer). Similarly, a “Research Director” will overview the specialist reports submitted to the Board by the Chief Technical Officer or the Chief Information Officer. These Directors will then brief their colleagues on the overall content of the various reports, and give an informed opinion about them.

          So when the UKIP biography mentions a “Director responsible for …” it is referring to the delegated oversight responsibility I have just described.

          When a company manager is appointed to a Board, as a permanent member, they are referred to as an “Executive Director”, on in the case of the Chief Executive Officer, the “Managing Director”. This is why I mentioned that the difference in title is significant.

          Christopher Monckton’s role is to provide in-depth oversight of the invention and development processes within the company. His role is not to direct them. If it were, he would have been referred to as. “Executive Director responsible for …”.

          So it is totally wrong to say that, “He claims to have invented …”. That is just propaganda spin, and is obvious spin to anybody who has worked in the corporate world for any more than a one-semester internship, assuming they were paying attention.

          So, that clears that up.

          However, we are still waiting for JFC to front up and admit that he/she/it was “only repeating an unsubstantiated rumour, that [he/she/it] may have heard somewhere. from someone, at some time, which may be total crap”.

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            ExWarmist

            However, we are still waiting for JFC to front up and admit that he/she/it was “only repeating an unsubstantiated rumour, that [he/she/it] may have heard somewhere. from someone, at some time, which may be total crap”.

            Don’t hold your breath.

            And still waiting to see if Sugarplumfairy can deal with new evidence that upsets his preconceived notions.

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            AndyG55

            KFC will do the chicken thing, and either keep harping on without even bothering to read Jo’s comment at 10.5.1.1.. or disappear without an apology. He’s been sucked in by a leftist newspaper article, which like most articles from similar sources is basically a pack of lies and misrepresenations.

            And the fairy.. probably the same.. pussilanimous morons, BOTH

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            Sugarplumfairy

            Hi Rereke,

            What you say may be true of the BHPB’s, Leighton’s etc, but I would hardly put Resurrexi Pharmaceutical into that category. More like a Penny Miner.

            You obviously know very little about the way that corporate business works, so I deduce that you are not a Commerce, or Business Studies, student.

            I spent nearly thirty years working for a medium sized Process Design and Engineering firm, most of that time I was answerable only to the Managing Director. In fact all Directors were active in the daily operations of the company, applying their expertise in solving design and construction issues. That’s why they were Directors. Obviously these guys were the odd ones out.

            Sadly you would not have a clue what Monckton’s role was/is, or if Monckton was directly involved or not. But when he continually claims he cured himself and the UKIP claims he has cured various diseases, then one can only assume he has an active role in operations. Only he has the magic.

            Looking at your posts here, I suspect you’re suffering Verbal Gonorrhea: not even Monckton has a cure for that.

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            Rereke Whakaaro

            Sugar,

            If you worked for your entire career in a Design and Engineering company where some of the workers were given the job title of “Director”, then that is fine. At least it might have given you some cred down at the local RSA or footy club.

            But in reality, you probably had one person, who owned and ran the business, and all the other people, including yourself, who worked for him or her.

            That simply means that the Governance of the business rested with one person — the owner, and the operations of the business were spread across everybody. There is nothing wrong with that, as long as other people’s money is not involved.

            However, if you do have other investors in the business, then the question must be asked, “Who looks after their interests when significant decisions are being made”. Who decides on how much the Managing Director should be paid, for example? Who decides when more capital, by way of loans, should be raised? Who decides which areas of research should be funded out of the R&D budget, and by how much? Who decides if the company even needs a budgeting system?

            If you do have other investors involved, and they do not have an independent review of how their money is being used, then they are either very trusting, or very naive, or both, because they can easily get ripped off.

            But, if the investors have gone through the process of appointing a Board, and they still get ripped off, then the Directors themselves are jointly and severally liable for the losses.

            You may have had the title “Director”, but I doubt that you had the financial liabilities that would normally be implied by that title. Would you have been legally culpable, say, if the company was caught laundering money? I would guess not. But if you were a “real” Director, you would be.

            And don’t forget that running a business is a lot more relaxed in Australia and New Zealand than it is in the States and in Europe. In the northern hemisphere, they take these things much more seriously.

            And finally, and in response to your final ad hominem comment, here is a quote from Abraham Lincoln (or perhaps Mark Twain):

            It is better to remain silent, and be thought a fool, than to speak, and remove all doubt.

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            Sugarplumfairy

            Hi Rereke,

            Without any knowledge of Ressurexi’s operations or structure, you claim to know Monckton’s role in the company.

            Without any knowledge of me or my working life, you claim to know my role in the business and the company structure.

            All pure speculation on your part, but somehow you believe it to be true.

            But it’s not the fact you have indulged in wild speculation, or that you are totally wrong that astounds me.

            It’s the sheer volume of drivel you have produced pursuing that speculation I find utterly beyond belief!!!

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          Joe V.

          We are talking about the BBC , which has more than just one nation suckered.

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        Andrew McRae

        If only we could all have a “sugarplumfairy” magically show up and prove our points for us.

        If the claim is true then why are there clinical tests still being run? If the trials were not complete, why was the claim made? Inquiring minds want to know.

        Still, the whole ad hominem argument is beside the point. Monckton has not invented anything, nor claimed to invent anything, with regards to climate science. It’s the warmists who claim to be able to control the climate and deliver us from carbonic evil. He reports facts and the work of others in the relevant fields, so any attacks on his personal character and medicinal adventures are irrelevant to his usefulness to the free climate skeptics of the world.

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          Rereke Whakaaro

          If only we could all have a “sugarplumfairy” magically show up and prove our points for us.

          I just wish I could have any sort of fairy magically show up and fix my typing (and spelling) errors.

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          Ace

          Indeed.

          Isaac Newton: theory of gravity, orbital mechanics, ballistics, author of Principia Mathmatica (inventor of Calculus, never mind what Leibniz claimed), father of modern optics (never mingd Goethe) …you know, THE big gun genius of Western science………………………WAS AN ALCHEMIST………….. who spent most of his time trying to convert lead into gold and obtain the mystical secret of the universe.

          So what? His alchemy and mysticism doesnt seem to have affected his physics and mathematics.

          Im not suggesting Monckton has done anything analagous to alchemy, I am pointing out that it would be irrelevent if he had.

          Alan Turing was a cottager. So what? Einstein flashed his soft tissue in public, Albert Schweizzer was an onanist…no thats a typo, anyway Martin Heidegger and Wernher Heizenberg were definitely both card carrying NAZIs. Once you start discounting anyone who does dodgy things outside their topic of relevance you are on a slippery slope towards throwing out some very big contributors to Western culture.

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      Eddie Sharpe

      Where else would an ignorant comment like that get through and be allowed to sink under its own weight ?

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        Eddie Sharpe

        (wrt. JFC’s somewhat up thread now, at #10 )

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          Rereke Whakaaro

          Look at the magic numbering system on this blog – we all knew that. But thank for pointing out anyway :-)

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            Eddie Sharpe

            Sure, didn’t want to run the risk of any of the sensible, considerate and worthwhile commenters on here misunderstanding and feeling unfairly slighted, even for a moment.

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            Eddie Sharpe

            (It’s such a brilliant numbering system btw. that it rarely feels worth even trying to comment on many other Bloggs now, without the nesting)

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      Richard

      It’s very unlikely that Lord Monckton will release a cure for AIDS. It’s not his area. But if just part of the billions squandered on green nonsense had been spend on AIDS research, we might well have a cure by now.

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      Sonny

      You can readily identify an alarmist wannabe troll when they obfuscate the issue by bringing up AIDS or Smoking.

      Hey JFC what does AIDS have to do with climate? Do please try to keep on topic. Moron.

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        SimonV

        It’s about credibility, Sonny.

        If somebody is going around saying that all the properly qualified scientists are all wrong or lying, then it is important to look into that person’s background to see if they are credible.

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      What the!

      Dear JFC,

      I just read your reply to Ms Jo Nova, tell me.
      Why do you torture yourself by reading comments on this blog?
      With respect, have you gone off your medication?
      You are such an angry, negative individual it cannot be healthy for you to suffer so.
      Please seek some medical help.

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      Roy Hogue

      JFC (again),

      When is he going to release his cure for AIDS?

      Another remark from where there’s no sunshine? Surely you can do better than that. Or can you?

      FYI: I know someone who died from the complications of AIDS. He suffered a long slow death while his father could only watch in agony. And I don’t appreciate your flippant attitude about it. If you can’t contribute something constructive then keep you goddamned mouth shut.

      Roy Hogue

      PS: I would hand sign this message if I could. It’s directly from me to you.

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        SimonV

        “flippant attitude”?

        And what do you call somebody who falsely claims to be able to cure it?

        Why must JFC “keep his goddamned mouth shut”?
        Because you can’t handle the truth, is that it?

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    Edward Sikk

    I heard Lord Monckton speak at the University of Tasmania in Hobart some days ago.I thought his presentation and screen diagrams were excellent but he spoke for much too long,and his replies to questions tendered to meander somewhat.His forte is mathematics.I was much impressed by his theory that we may never be able to predict climatic change outside a short time span.I envy him for his great mind which is much greater than mine.I share his contempt for human intellectual arrogance.We only descended from the trees yesterday and badly need humility.I wish him well.

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      Mattb

      “His forte is mathematics.”

      Or at least his forte is convincing people who are not mathematicians that his forte is mathematics.

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        Speedy

        Matt

        The good news is that it is an open forum and all you have to do is rock up and point out all and any errors in his argument. I’ll be there Saturday – hope you can make it.

        Cheers

        Speedy

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        AndyG55

        So.. you are convinced.. Good ! :-)

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        Eddie Sharpe

        His “forte” is in commanding so many subjects.
        His “forte” is putting all those things together and coming up with a convincing argument
        His “forte” is in relating to the little guy, that politics and academia have abandoned.
        His “forte” is in being able to show us the wood for the trees.
        His “forte” is in cutting through the brown stuff

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          JFC

          I suspect his real forte is suckering a lot of gullible fools. Nova included.

          (Your forte is to post quick comments that are unsupported,try making better comments) CTS

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            Joe V.

            Considering that many skeptics once went along with the warmer narrative, I wouldnt say the skeptics have the monopoly on gullibility necessarily, though they may be more open to the possibility of recognising it if they were.

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            AndyG55

            Coming from a rabid “believer” that’s hilarious.

            You moron, are the picture child for gullibility!

            I suspect you still believe Al Gore is in it for “good” of the planet !!

            And that Mann knows lots about climate statistics.

            And that James Hansen is still sane.

            Sorry fool, you got SUCKED IN !!!


            BIG TIME
            !

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            Speedy

            JFC

            Not a problem. Front up tonight, examine his arguments, debate them in public and shoot him down in flames. If you don’t feel up to it, don’t worry. Al Gore has been dodging a face-to-face debate with Chris Monckton for years.

            In your absence, we’ll just take it that you and and MattB both wash your hair on Saturday.

            Cheers,

            Speedy.

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            Ace

            Re JFC, That would only make sense as a viable contention if it comes from someone who accepts or rejects ideas based solely on the reputation of the person presenting them rather than evaluating them or themselves.

            If you can think for yourself on the other hand you can evaluate whether to accept or reject the ideas irrespective of who presents them.

            Clearly you cant think for yourself and project this trait onto other people.

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            Streetcred

            The Team fellacist.

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            Streetcred

            is that a word ? … you get what I mean.

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        Backslider

        Your forte is to convince fools that you are a scientist.

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          AndyG55

          “Your forte is to convince fools that you are a scientist”

          failed !!! Mattb isn’t even a scientist’s a******e.

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            johninoxley

            Andy I disagree. Mattb is a scientist’s a******e.

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            AndyG55

            I don’t thinks so John. That would imply he was at least partly associated with science or a scientist, even at the excrement end.

            This is obviously not true (the science part, or any link thereto).

            A donkey’s a******e, perhaps ?

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          Mattb

          is it working?

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        Sonny

        Your forte is providing short pithy comments confirming your alliegence to the “team”.
        We’re you always a follower?

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        Roy Hogue

        “His forte is mathematics.”

        Or at least his forte is convincing people who are not mathematicians that his forte is mathematics.

        Then I presume you’re going to show us your mathematical prowess right here on this thread and show up His Lordship for what he is (whatever you think he is).

        I’m all for it. Let’s see what you can do. Go, Matt, go!

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    macha

    I met Lord Monkton on his first trip to Perth, when on of the few polticians with a science degree was present (most will know of Dr Jensen), and I see since then that the number of attendees has risen markedly. (this is a serious observation of mine too, not the sort of marked rise Flannery would claim in relation to global near-surface or ocean temps either /sarc).

    good luck to him and his team for their efforts!!

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    Mattb

    Yo Jo – Do give my fondest regards to Elisha.

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      Eddie Sharpe

      Couldn’t you do that yourself MattB, if washing your hair weren’t so important ?

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      Ian

      Mattb. If you are so certain that CAGW is real then why don’t you go tonight, or to one of the other venues if you’re not in WA and argue the points with Christopher Monckton? Surely from your wide reading you’ve managed to assemble a formidable array of evidence that CM will not be able to refute. Shooting him down in flames, as I’m sure your impeccable logic will enable you to do, will advance your personal standing with those such as Gavin Schmidt, Michael Mann, Phil Jones, Kevin Trenberth etc. If you don’t go and take this opportunity to destroy Monckton then where’s your credibility?

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    Rod

    That must be great fun having Christopher staying over. Hi Christopher. If you want to visit Melbourne stay with me. I’m a really good cook. You can have the bed, I’ll sleep on the floor.

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      Rod

      I would love to have Christopher staying with me. How could anyone be a thumbs downer unless they were a hateful prick?

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        Mattb

        wasn’t me.. although I bet you’d end up spooning;)

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          Rod

          I’ll give you a thumbs up cause I’m a really nice guy. I don’t think I’m homosexual but it might just be that I never met the right man.

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          Rereke Whakaaro

          Although I was born a male, I am really worried that I might be a lesbian, given the way I feel attracted to women …

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          Roy Hogue

          …although I bet you’d end up spooning

          Jealous, Matt? ;-)

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    Looks like I’ll miss out- we’re booked for babysitting then. I was looking forward to seeing/ hearing for myself what all the fuss was about, as the gullible hate him so much.

    Hope it goes well- hopefully there’ll be transcripts.

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    Greebo

    No excuse for not posting, Jo. Surely Christopher could trot out a few “guest” posts in return for your hospitality? After all, it’s the closest I would be likely to get to him. more’s the pity.

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      Eddie Sharpe

      Give the lady a break. I’m sure this visit will have provided the invigoration & inspiration for many new posts over the weeks and months to come.

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    Andrew McRae

    What? You had four loose bricks available? I guess civilisation really is crumbling!

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    Timbo

    The “screen saver” is definitely something MacGyver would have been proud of.

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    wes george

    Good luck with the tour! Sometimes, I wish I wasn’t a lowly sheep farmer and could get out more. Glad to hear his lordship is on about agenda 21. Best not to forget that the battle might be the weather, but the war is for control of our lives and the future of western civilisation.

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    Dave

    .
    If you can watch Sunday at 10 am Andrew Bolt – I think Timmy Flannery is going to get a hiding. Tim Flannery is a few kangaroos short in the top paddock, but it doesn’t excuse the government from putting his stupid GAIA head on TV every time we have ONE temperature or rainfall record.

    I would prefer to see a debate between Timmy and Christopher Monckton on the Bolt report. Now that would bring in the numbers.

    Also David and Joanne up against Mr Lewindowsky on the show in a 5 minute segment each week would certainly bring out the trolls.

    Ever Prince Choo Choo also recommended that we should all debate this THING they call CAGW, CLIMATE CHANGE, EXTREME WEATHER, ANGRY SUMMER, CATROSTROPHIC EXTREMES – will COMBET come to the party? Will Julia come to the party, Will Timmy come to the party, Will Lewindowsky come to the party, Will Al Gore come to the party?

    None of them will front – only the lonely little soldiers of GAIA will give their little patently stupid comments here trying to tangle the truth.

    GET WITH IT Trolls – it’s all over.

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    George McFly......I'm your density

    congratulations to you Jo and David…..well done and good improvisation!

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    Keith L

    Great update. Nice to hear that things are going well over.
    What a pity Lord Monckton could not be around for longer.
    I would have given anything to be able to base him in the Novotel at Rooty Hill this week…

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    Philippa Martyr

    I enjoyed it! He spoke for nearly 3 hours, but I didn’t get bored once, even though a strategic part of me went to sleep (the other end of me, not my brain).

    And I loved the improvised screen, and was very impressed at the turnout of people, too. I don’t normally go out at night at this time of year, but I made an exception for this amount of intellectual stimulation, and I’m glad I did (although I was so tired by the end of it!)

    Well done Jo and David.

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    Brett_McS

    In response to some general questions less directly related to climate it is clear that Lord Monkton doesn’t have much regard for the level of political debate here – he is not an island in that regard – and is rather pessimistic about Australia’s future as a free country, considering the forces arrayed against us. His own best guess is that Abbott’s (presumptive) term will be short and that the following election will be the last – or at least the last that offers the option of an independent nation.

    I wonder if this could be amplified for a post? I presume Jo is up to speed on these musings. Forewarned is forearmed.

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      Mattb

      oh yes of course we have 4 years until the end of Australian democracy… how insightful of the lord.

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        Eddie Sharpe

        He comes from Europe remember, which already seems to be a lost cause.
        Do these people really run the country or are they just an entertaining sideshow ?

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        AndyG55

        UK is now run from Brussels, by Germans.

        There is more than one way of fighting a war.

        Note that Germany is the one building coal fired power station, while UK is being forced to close theirs.
        Poland is at least trying to resist this time.

        WWIII has been won. Congrats Germany. !

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          Very wrong, Andy.

          The EU is very much against the interests of sovereignty of any of its member nations. Any MEP who attempts to openly represent the people who elected them, is pilloried by the EU as a “nationalist”.

          Most elected MEP seem to take their positions as a ticket on the gravy train … e.g. playing computer games while significant matters are being discussed or milking the system for all it provides … and in some cases for more than that. Not that the MEP have any real say in what the EU decides. The “EU Parliament” is a charade of democracy. Decisions are made by bureaucrats in back-rooms and in expensive resortsextensive fact-finding missions.

          While Germany is left to fund the excesses of the EU and member states, it is far from victorious. The German people are further from it than most others… their wages have only risen about 5% over a decade. Not per annum. Per decade. Their economies have been forced into recession to pay the debts of most of the EU and to vanquish the monster CO2.

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          Joe V.

          And the power is not in the hands of the elected MEPs, but the politically appointed Commissioners, who are largely failed politicians after they have either had to resign or otherwise become unelectable at home.
          These sorts are often more malleable in the hands of their masters than elected, representative politicians with a mandate from the people.

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    “ever vigilant and fierce free press” – you forgot the Sarc tags.

    Like all species who are no longer fit for purpose, the environmental journalist is facing extinction.

    http://thepointman.wordpress.com/2013/03/08/a-species-facing-extinction/

    Pointman

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    Sonny

    Ultimate goals of the climate change global warming mass consensus reality trance:

    1. Rapid and lasting depopulation.
    2. Restoration of large cities to natural habitats.
    3. Destruction of democracy and national sovereinty.
    4. Removal of all human rights except those deemed “sustainable”.

    We are all FUCKING DEAD.

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    Bernal

    M’Lord should be careful about setting foot in the US since our masters now think they can bring drone strikes down even on Americans, never mind Brits, w/o any of that pesky due process thingie.

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      Tim

      Forget that due process thingie – Here’s George Bush August 2012:

      “Mr. President,” one aide in the meeting said. “There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution.”
      “Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,” Bush screamed back. “It’s just a goddamned piece of paper!”

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        Wendy

        George Bush in 2012?? pssst, he hasn’t been President for over 4 years now.
        It’s Obummer you’d be quoting. Kinda like Michelle’s “All this for a flag” comment.

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    Andrew McRae

    ABC still hard at it: Earth on track to be hottest in human history.

    The headline is not even supported by its own story, that’s how bad it’s gotten at the ABC, which now reeks of desperation in selling the public a climate emergency.
    The study actually claims…

    Earth is on track to becoming the hottest it has been at any time in the past 11.3 millennia, a period spanning the history of human civilisation

    Humans have been around a lot longer than 11300 years, we were not born yesterday. But the nonsense doesn’t end with the ABC, as even the study they are citing gives a false account of human civilisation. Numerous circular stone sites found across southern Africa, and the ruins of Gobleki Tepe, have proven “civilisation” (or fixed settlements instead of nomadic tribes) are significantly older than 12000 years.

    The data show that temperatures cooled by 0.8 degrees Celsius over the past 5,000 years, but have been rising again in the past 100 years, particularly in the northern hemisphere where land masses and population centres are larger.

    What’s this?? How did the truth leak into this story?! Yes it was warmer in the past according to proxy measurements, but how can we be sure this recent rise isn’t UHI (near large population centres), and with all the national weather record analysis irregularities we’ve seen in Australia, New Zealand, and the USA, how can we be sure this rise is even real at all? It doesn’t show as unusual in the longest temperature record around [CET] or the second longest [Prague].

    “As the Earth’s orientation changed, northern hemisphere summers became cooler, and we should now be near the bottom of this long-term cooling trend – but obviously, we are not.”

    This has no bearing on talk of what will happen to the climate in “the next few decades”. If you are talking on the timescales of orbital dynamics, this whole hullabaloo is worthless because there hasn’t been an interglacial warm period that lasted as long as the current one has, so we are overdue to enter a new ice age. Probably not going to happen in the next few decades. They chop-and-change timescales and topics so much in this story it’s as though it is designed to defy understanding.
    But here is the central claim:

    They have determined the past 10 years have been hotter than 80 per cent of the past 11,300 years.

    Ennk! RULE #1, THOU SHALL NOT CALCULATE A CLIMATE MEASUREMENT ON LESS THAN 30 YEARS OF DATA. That’s from the WMO’s definition of climate.

    Proxy signals are not snapshots, they are an integration across a time range. If they are going to compare the last decade’s average to ancient history, what kind of proxy and analytical technique gets them a past temperature measurement with a temporal resolution of only 10 years at a distance of 8000 to 11300 years ago? Even ice cores can’t do that.
    I was going to assume this is just more warmist nonsense until proven otherwise.
    But why assume when WUWT has polled the experts already:

    They rely on proxy data that is widely spaced in time (median sampling interval 120 years) and in many cases may also be subject to significant dating uncertainty. [...]
    In essence, their reconstruction appears to tell us about past changes in climate with a resolution of about 400 years.

    Yep, comparing rusty apples with fresh oranges.

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    janama

    They have determined the past 10 years have been hotter than 80 per cent of the past 11,300 years.

    so how hot were the 20% you don’t mention?

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      Speedy

      Hi Janama.

      Do you think “our” friends at “our” ABC have heard of mammoths or Ice Ages ? Or interglacials? Regarding the latter, perhaps they should consult their perrenial font of wisdom (Wiki)who will inform them that an interglacial is:

      Such a period between glacial maxima is known as an interglacial. The Earth has been in an interglacial period known as the Holocene for more than 11,000 years.

      In other words, the world has warmed up since the last ice age. And they sell this as news – scary news. How dumb do you think they think we are???!!

      Cheers,

      Speedy

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    janama

    I’d never thought I’d wish the ABC be closed down but the current leaders are surely leading me to support such an idea.

    I’ve never read such continual crap anywhere……… except on their ABC!

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    Ross

    What a combination these two will make on a blog

    https://twitter.com/dana1981/status/310066213839585281

    h/t Tom Nelson

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    Grant (NZ)

    What are you saying? Is the money form Big Oil not going to eventuate. I was banking on getting something eventually.

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    eternaloptimist

    I heard there was a psychologist in Oz who was short of a few bricks.
    And now I hear that Monkton has a couple of spares

    maybe they should get together

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      Rereke Whakaaro

      maybe they should get together

      The people, or the bricks?

      Having two bricks is required to convert a 10-day camel into a 20-day camel, or so I am informed.

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    pat

    EU carbon ends week down 10 pct on supply, energy
    LONDON, March 8 (Reuters Point Carbon) – EU carbon dropped 10 percent this week as bumper supply of more than 17 million permits from government auctions hit the market and a weak energy complex dented sentiment, traders said…
    http://www.pointcarbon.com/news/1.2212907?&ref=searchlist

    Norway drops Asian palm oil firms in show of green credentials
    OSLO, March 8 (Reuters) – Norway’s $710 billion sovereign wealth fund has pulled out of 23 Asian palm oil companies after accusing them of causing deforestation, winning praise from environmentalists…
    http://www.pointcarbon.com/news/reutersnews/1.2212717?&ref=searchlist

    of course he would!

    Gates favors nuclear power to help limit climate change
    HOUSTON, March 7 (Reuters) – Microsoft Corp co-founder and Chairman Bill Gates said that expanding nuclear power and making it safer was the most economic way to ward off climate change…
    http://www.pointcarbon.com/news/reutersnews/1.2212564?&ref=searchlist

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    elva

    Some excerpts from the latest copy of Physicsworld.com

    “Electric currents flow continuously throughout much of the atmosphere because of the global atmospheric electric circuit, and these currents sometimes pass through clouds,” explains Giles Harrison, who along with Maarten Ambaum did this latest study at the University of Reading.

    Measurements with a laser ceilometer – a device that determines the height of a cloud base – done in Sodankylä, Finland and Halley, Antarctica, revealed that the cloud base rises an average of four metres for a 1% increase in fair-weather electric-current density. This means that shifts of up to about 200 m per day are possible.

    Global atmospheric electricity exhibits a daily cycle, hitting a minimum at around 03:00 GMT and peaking at roughly 19:00 GMT – when activity is high in thunderstorm hotspots such as Africa and North America. This cycle was discovered in the early 20th century…

    “The implications are that factors affecting currents flowing in the atmosphere – such as thunderstorms, cosmic rays and Pacific Ocean temperatures – may have distant effects on droplet properties in cloud bases,” says Harrison. “Particularly interesting is the possibility that space weather changes could affect weather in the lower atmosphere.”

    “The realization that the electrical heartbeat of the planet plays a role in the formation of layer clouds indicates that existing models for clouds and climate are still missing potentially important components,” adds Ambaum. “Understanding these missing elements is crucial to improve the accuracy of our weather forecasts and predicting changes to our climate.”

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      Louis Hissink

      About time – I’ve been carping on this topic for years, the electrical connection and the physics of the plasma universe. Good to learn that it’s getting mainstream traction at last. It was this fact and the dodgy Mann Hockey Stick graph that forced me to conclude that CAGW was a crock during 2003/4 if memory serves me.

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      Louis Hissink

      And electric currents which flow the atmosphere generate infra-red radiation – nothing at all to do with CO2!

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      Rereke Whakaaro

      What the …

      … hitting a minimum at around 03:00 GMT and peaking at roughly 19:00 GMT …

      We are talking about a global phenomenon here, and they quote time at GMT. Does the whole world synchronise around the time at one specific latitude – I don’t think so.

      This must be driven by the sun, and not by an atomic clock sitting in a basement in a museum at Greenwich.

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        Louis Hissink

        Sure is solar driven – think of it as an electrical circuit. The zenith and nadir of the effect is diurnal, with the electric currents diminishing when the direction is moved away from source. Just like sunshine but here it’s an electric current in addition. Indian yogis talk about an energy influx at dawn – prana – I wonder if that is recognition of the weak electric current or the radiative energy.

        And here’s another interesting issue – electronic multimeters measure electron flow, but not positive ion flow which has to occur in an electric field in liquids, gases and plasma, -ve particles one direction, positive in the opposite direction. So the weak currents are the electrons but what of the downward flow of protons? Or is that gravity?????

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        Eddie Sharpe

        It’s a good question Rereke. From the article I gather it’s thought to be driven by thunderstorm activity which is related to certain landmasses that aren’t uniformly distributed around the globe, and therefore the effect globally is related to when these Particular land masses catch the most sun.

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    pat

    a bloomberg classic. btw florida does not want these genetically modified mosquitoes released in their state:

    7 March: Bloomberg: Investors Embrace Climate Change, Chase Hotter Profits
    by Matthew Campbell & Chris V. Nicholson
    Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs Group Inc., and other firms took stakes in wind farms and tidal-energy projects, and set up carbon-trading desks…
    Then, as efforts to curb greenhouse-gas emissions faltered, the appeal of clean tech dimmed: Venture capital and private- equity investments fell 34 percent last year, to $5.8 billion, according to Bloomberg New Energy Finance.
    Now the smart money is taking another approach: Working under the assumption that climate change is inevitable, Wall Street firms are investing in businesses that will profit as the planet gets hotter…

    Betting on the failure of global efforts to contain warming may seem cynical, but it’s increasingly logical…

    Investor strategies include buying water-treatment companies, brokering deals for Australian farmland, and backing a startup that has engineered a mosquito to fight dengue, a disease that’s spreading as the mercury climbs.
    Derivatives that help companies hedge against abnormal weather and natural catastrophes are also drawing increased interest from some big players. In January, KKR & Co. bought a 25 percent stake in Nephila Capital Ltd., an $8 billion Bermuda hedge fund that trades in weather derivatives. The firm is named after a spider that, according to local folklore, can predict hurricanes…

    One form of extreme weather — drought — is helping spur business at Water Asset Management LLC. The New York hedge fund, which has about $400 million under management, buys water rights and makes private equity and stock-market investments in water- treatment companies.
    “Not enough people are thinking long term of (water) as an asset that is worthy of ownership,” said Water Asset Management Chief Operating Officer Marc Robert. “Climate change for us is a driver.”…

    When investors think about global warming, “there is an overemphasis of its negative impacts,” said Michael Richardson, head of business development at Land Commodities, which advises rich individuals and sovereign wealth funds on purchases of Australian farmland.
    The company’s pitch: The prospect of hotter temperatures, scarce arable land, and rising populations will make inland cropland Down Under — far from rising seas yet close to Asia’s hungry customers — more valuable. The Baar, Switzerland-based company worked on more than $80 million in transactions last year, four times its 2011 total, Richardson said…

    For Ole Christiansen, the climate isn’t changing fast enough. Indeed, the chief executive officer of NunaMinerals A/S (NUNA), a mining startup based in Nuuk, Greenland, is counting on it.
    The 1,500-mile long ice sheet that covers the Danish territory is melting, exposing what Christiansen and other mining and energy executives say could be a bonanza of gold, rare earths, and base metal deposits that will attract deals and capital to one of the most remote corners of the world. For Nuna, simply put, less ice means more money…

    Inventing Mosquitoes
    Some climate change plays are less obvious than others, and others are downright bizarre.
    Jason Drew is among the investors who have bet about $30 million on Oxitec Ltd., an Abingdon, U.K.-based startup that’s developed a special kind of mosquito: one whose offspring are sterile. When an Oxitec mosquito mates with a wild female, the offspring won’t survive to adulthood, so the mosquito population declines.
    The company is exporting the test-tube skeeters to the growing number of countries coping with outbreaks of dengue, a mosquito-borne disease whose spread has been aided by rising temperatures and increased humidity…
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-07/investors-embrace-climate-change-chase-hotter-profits.html

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    pat

    another classic Booker on the kind of insanity we are allowing in our country as well, no matter which party is in govt come September:

    8 March: UK Daily Mail: Christopher Booker: SATURDAY ESSAY: Eco madness and how our future is going up in smoke as we pay billions to switch from burning coal to wood chips at Britain’s biggest power station
    Every day, Drax burns 36,000 tons of coal, brought to its vast site by 140 coal trains every week — and it supplies seven per cent of all the electricity used in Britain. That’s enough to light up a good many of our major cities…
    But as a result of a change in Government policy, triggered by EU rules, Drax is about to undergo a major change that would have astonished those who built it in the Seventies and Eighties right next to Selby coalfield, which was then highly productive but has since closed.
    As from next month, Drax will embark on a £700 million switch away from burning coal for which it was designed, in order to convert its six colossal boilers to burn millions of tons a year of wood chips instead.
    Most of these chips will come from trees felled in forests covering a staggering 4,600 square miles in the USA, from where they will be shipped 3,000 miles across the Atlantic to Britain…

    A new carbon tax will be introduced in three weeks’ time, and applied to every ton of carbon dioxide produced during electricity production. The tax will start at a comparatively low level, but rise steeply every year so that, within 20 years, the cost of generating electricity from coal will have doubled and it will no longer be economical…

    What forced Drax to embark on the switch from coal to ‘biomass’ was ministers’ decision last year to give any coal-fired power station which switched to ‘biomass’ the same, near-100 per cent ‘renewable subsidy’ that it already gives to the owners of onshore wind farms….
    But it is hard to overstate the lunacy of this Drax deal. To start with, some of those environmentalists who are normally most fanatically in favour of ‘renewable’ power are among those most strongly opposed to the burning of wood as a means of producing electricity.
    Campaigning groups, such as Friends of the Earth, scorn the idea that wood chips are ‘carbon neutral’ or that felling millions of acres of American forests, to turn trees into chips and then transporting those chips thousands of miles to Yorkshire, will end up making any significant net reduction in ‘carbon’ emissions.
    Their criticism chimes with the view of Sir David King, formerly the Government’s chief scientific adviser, who this week told Radio 4’s Today programme that when the full ‘life cycle’ of these wood chips is factored in, he doubted there would be any real saving in carbon dioxide emissions…

    This month sees the closure of several of our remaining major coal-fired power stations. Plants such as Kingsnorth in Kent, Didcot A in Oxfordshire and Cockenzie in Scotland (capable of generating nearly 6,000 megawatts a year — a seventh of our average needs) will stop production as a result of an EU anti-pollution directive. This means that, to keep Britain’s lights lit, we’ll soon be more dependent than ever on expensive gas-fired power stations.
    The trouble is that our gas supplies are becoming ever more precarious. Only this week we were told that Britain has just two weeks’ worth of gas left in storage — the lowest amount ever…

    Given this fact, it is hardly surprising that Alistair Buchanan, the retiring head of our energy regulator Ofgem, recently warned that our electricity supplies are now running so low and close to ‘danger point’ that we may face major power cuts…
    The result of this dog’s dinner of an energy policy is that, on the one hand we can look forward to ever-soaring energy bills, while on the other hand we will have crippling power cuts…
    The fact that Drax, our largest and most efficient power station, is having to go through these ridiculous contortions to stay in business is a perfect symbol of the catastrophic mess our politicians of all parties have got us into — all in the name of trying to save the planet by cutting down our emissions of carbon dioxide further and faster than any other country in the world.

    Germany, which already has five times as many wind turbines as Britain, is now desperately building 20 new coal-fired stations in the hope of keeping its lights on. The first, opened last September, is already generating 2,200 megawatts; nearly as much as the average output of all of Britain’s wind farms combined.
    China, already the world’s largest CO2 emitter, is planning to build 363 more coal-fired power stations, without any heed of the vast amount of emissions they’ll produce.
    India is ready to build 455 new coal-fired power stations to fuel an economy growing so fast that it could soon overtake our own…

    But the sad truth is that we ourselves should be neither laughing nor crying. We should be rising up to protest, in real anger, at those politicians whose collective flight from reality is fast dragging us towards as damaging a crisis as this country has ever faced.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2290444/Madness-How-pay-billions-electricity-bills-Britains-biggest-power-station-switch-coal-wood-chips–wont-help-planet-jot.html

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    pat says this here: (my bolding here)

    Germany, which already has five times as many wind turbines as Britain, is now desperately building 20 new coal-fired stations in the hope of keeping its lights on. The first, opened last September, is already generating 2,200 megawatts; nearly as much as the average output of all of Britain’s wind farms combined.

    The UK currently has 8845MW of Capacity for Wind Power, and as you can see from that, it is an astonishing 4 times the Capacity of Germany’s single new coal fired power plant at 2200MW.

    Now comes the crunch as to why I harp on about how Capacity is not what you should be looking for, but actual power delivered to the grids for actual consumption.

    Every single one of those Wind Plants in the UK deliver 15.5TWH for a whole year, and that’s at an average capacity of 20%. (well, it’s 19.99% really)

    Now, Germany’s one new coal fired plant will deliver 16.4TWH per year, so in actual fact this ONE coal fired plant delivers more power per year than those (approximately) 5,000+ wind towers.

    The coal fired plant delivers its power (it’s full power) while ever the generators are turning, and is power on demand 24/7/365.

    At the UK Capacity Factor for wind, this is the equivalent (note here I said equivalent) of delivering its full power for four and three quarter hours each day, even though it delivers some of its power in dribs and drabs across the full 24 hour period.

    The thing about this is that when the wind isn’t blowing, power has to be sourced from elsewhere, usually traditional CO2 emitting gas fired plants, as shown so graphically in South Australia barely three days ago, when Wind supplied barely 3 to 4% of the State’s power, and they had to purchase more expensive power from any source available, costing suppliers three times what other States were paying for their power at the Peak period for 12 hours.

    It is plainly obvious to see, (except for blinkered wind supporters) is that power costs can only rise if there is a greater reliance on wind power.

    Tony.

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      AndyG55

      I thought the coal fired power companies had contract that specified a “continuity of supply”.

      There is no way that wind or solar could ever operate under a sensible supply contract.

      They SHOULD be made to pay fines when they do not deliver their stated power.

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        Bob Malloy

        Wind farms set their own rates to close and have been accused of demanding ‘excessive’ fees to shutdown, The Times reported.

        They SHOULD be made to pay fines when they do not deliver their stated power.

        Agreed Andy, they should be penalised for non generation. To the contrary Wind Turbines in Britain actually get bonuses for shutting down in high winds.

        On one day alone companies were paid £1.6million not to produce energy in October last year.

        Figures revealed they received an average of £361 per megawatt-hour that day for electricity they could have generated – four times the price they would have sold it for.

        Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2088196/Wind-farms-paid-25million-NOT-produce-electricity-blustery.html#ixzz2N1KGU6bR

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          Eddie Sharpe

          That is in the EU remember, where the normal laws of economics do not apply. Farmers are paid more in subsidies for Not growing crops than they could ever hope to earn from selling the crops.

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      pattoh

      Ahoy Tony

      Have you heard anything about a plan to convert one of Britain’s largest coal fired plants (~7% of demand) to wood chips imported from the US?

      Food miles are bad but carbon miles are OK!

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        Thanks pattoh,

        I read that somewhere this morning, and hey, what a joke.

        Get this!

        These wood chips place this plant into the category of renewable, because, hey, supposedly, it’s umm carbon neutral.

        I’ve long wondered about this with reference to Biomass Electrical power generation, which still emits CO2, and I’ll get to how much.

        Currently here in Australia, most sugar plants have their own power plants on site and they burn the bagasse, the waste trash from the cane. I actually visited one of these plants, unfair to single one of them out, but they, umm, do make Rum. I have never seen such a filthy plant, absolutely black.

        Those Bagasse fired plants make up almost 500MW of power in Qld and NSW. They still emit CO2, as much as for wood fired plants, which use wood chips.

        So how much CO2 is emitted by a wood chip fired power plant. This is from a Bioenergy Information site(pdf document 2 pages) (with my bolding here):

        Carbon Neutral Myth
        The myth that wood is “renewable” and “carbon neutral” is false. Burning wood immediately releases about 1.5 times more smokestack CO2 than burning coal. Trees regrow and re-sequester that carbon only after decades. The peat industry and the governments of Finland and Sweden even want peat to be regarded as ‘slowly renewable’ biomass – though it is almost pure carbon and would take thousands of years to ‘renew itself’. According to the Energy Information Administration projections, a 20% renewable standard in the US would result in the emission of 700 million tons of CO2 from biomass burning, ironically, roughly equivalent to the amount permitted for international forest related offset provisions under the house-passed climate legislation. This would represent about 10% of total US emissions in 2020. Yet under current policy, counted as “carbon neutral” renewable energy, these emissions are unaccounted.

        So, then this UK plant will be getting its woodchips shipped in from the U.S.

        How much woodchip would you guess is being used here.

        An international trade in woodchips and pellets is rapidly developing. MagForest, a Canadian company operating in the Republic of Congo, will soon ship 500,000 tons of woodchips annually to Europe. IBIC Ghana Limited claims it can ship 100,000 tons of tropical hardwood and softwood a month from Ghana for bioenergy. Sky Trading, a U.S. company, is offering to supply up to 600,000 tons of wood chips for biomass from the United States or Brazil. Green Energy Resources, based in Nevada, has stated their goal of “supplying 20 percent of the European demand for woodchip by 2015”. Brazil’s International CMO Business Biomass says it is dedicated to reducing coal use and can obtain wood chips from Brazil, Chile, Uruguay and Argentina to supply the European energy market. Brazil Biomass and Renewable Energy offers new industrial tree plantations which are being set up to produce wood pellets for power stations. In Indonesia, a South Korean company has applied for a 200,000 hectare concession in Central Kalimantan, to produce wood pellets for ‘green energy’ in South Korea. UK firm Carbon Positive has entered a joint venture to develop 160,000 hectares of tree plantations for bioenergy in Indonesia, including in West Papua. Conservation International and is helping the Indonesian company Medco to develop plantations for wood pellets, mainly in West Papua. Medco Group is reportedly planning up to 300,000 hectares of such plantations overall. In the words of Heinrich Unland, chief executive officer of the German company Novus Energy GmbH: “Wood is very quickly becoming a very important part of the energy mix and in a few years will be a global commodity much like oil”.

        So, I now want you to see the irony in this.

        Individual Countries are setting up individual ETS for Carbon (CO2) Trading. Part of the money gets sent off to the UN, and is then forwarded to Developing Countries to assist with any project deemed renewable. At the same time individual Companies can gain extra (CO2) credits by investing in the CDM, and these tree plantations count towards that as well.

        So, the money raised from CO2 emissions from coal fired power plants (paid by every consumer of electricity being generated) is directed to tree plantations which are then chipped and sent off to be burned in power plants which then emit 1.5 times the CO2 of a coal fired power plant, and it doesn’t count because the wood chip is considered as renewable.

        Oh, please, don’t ever try and tell me this is about the environment. They get the money as a grant, sell the wood chips and get the money from that, and are then able to sell their credits.

        Please never tell me that this is not just about the money.

        Tony.

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          KinkyKeith

          Hi Tony

          I was completely unaware of the wood chip scam.

          Amazing but not out of character for the current lunacy that passes for Government around the world.

          Insanity. Insanity. Insanity.

          KK :)

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          Dave

          .
          Hi Tony,

          The woodchip renewable fuel supply is a shocking GREEN scam.

          1. Need anywhere from 2 X to 5 X the tonnes of this type of fuel V coal.
          2. The Gross Heat Value Boiler Efficiency of wood is 2 X to 5 X that of coal.
          3. For every 1 tonne coal – they will need between 2 & 5 tonnes biofuel minimum.
          4. 2 X to 5 X cost of freight (even more by O/S importing). Trains, boats etc.
          5. The density of most Biofuels is half that of coal – so doubling again in volume.
          5. For every 1 million tonnes biofuel – they’ll need over 300,00 hectares to produce this.
          6. Also doesn’t the Drax also elimiate the CO2 tax?
          7. The people growing the biofuel gain CO2 Tax credits?

          And guess where all this fuel will come from – massive rape of rain forests all over the world – those GREENIES have no idea on the environmental care.

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      SimonV

      Tony, comparing the UK’s currently modest amount of wind power with Germany’s new coal-fired plants doesn’t seem to be an exercise in any sort of competent argument.

      Germany isn’t “desperately” building new coal-fired power plants. What is happening is that the demand for coal-fired power is shrinking due to renewable power being added to the system. More renewable power means (in Germany) a doubling or a tripling in fluctuations of demand as well as a reduction in demand for coal-fired power.
      So what’s happening is gas-fired operators are doing more business.
      In turn, this means coal-fired power plant operators are building a new design of coal-fired power plant where the output can be varied.
      So, in summary, Germany’s power-generating mix is changing as follows:
      Old coal-fired plants will be switched off.
      Nuclear power plants are being phased out by 2022.
      Wind power is being expanded.
      Solar power is being invested in.
      Gas power will grow.
      Coal power will change to a new model competing with gas power.
      And those are the facts which Tony likes to twist to fit his personal political agenda.

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    Jimmy Haigh

    Keep up the good work. I’ll visit the tip jar so as you can buy the old chap a beer or two!

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    ATheoK

    We be envious Jo!

    Enjoy his visit! Remember, we still expect proper Australian dialect when you return to post more. :->

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    pat

    TonyfromOz -

    thanx for the further clarifications of what booker wrote re capacity, etc.

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    Geoffrey Cousens

    Wow;what a fascinating house guest to have!I’m exited about the legal work he has going on out here and wish him every success.

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    [...] looking: The Sheik of Doha, rubs their noses in it Keep reading  → more carbon, please Share this:ShareDiggEmailRedditPrintStumbleUponTwitterFacebookLike this:Like [...]

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    John Brookes

    Lord Monckton, recently at Doha, revealed this embarrassing 17 year pause and called for the science and economics to be reviewed.

    I’ll say it again, the “pause” is not statistically significant.

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      Sonny

      How many years of NO GLOBAL WARMING will it take for the all knowing John Brookes to consider it statistically significant?

      But then on the other hand Australia has a “hot summer” and this is statistically significant?

      Let’s face it JB. What you consider “statistically significant” has nothing at all to do with statistics and everything to do with keeping your nose in the trough with the other CLIMATE PIGS!

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      Eddie Sharpe

      No, any perceived warming trend over the period of the “pause” is not statistically significant.
      Whether the standstill is a pause in a longer upward trend, a plateau or a turning point is not discernible, but the “pause” , being the period over which there is no statistically significant warming trend, just keeps getting longer and longer, ever since these UNFCCC jollies were first established it seems . Should we be giving them credit for it ?

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      llew Jones

      “I’ll say it again, the “pause” is not statistically significant.”

      You can say it as much as you like but it seems the “pause” data is not the only statistically insignificant data. Try the relationship between anthropogenic forcings and global warming for statistical significance as in a recent paper. Excerpts below:

      “…We show that although these anthropogenic forcings share a common stochastic trend, this trend is empirically independent of the stochastic trend in temperature and solar irradiance. Therefore, greenhouse gas forcing, aerosols, solar irradiance and global temperature are not polynomially cointegrated. This implies that recent global warming is not statistically significantly related to anthropogenic forcing. On the other hand, we find that greenhouse gas forcing might have had a temporary effect on global temperature.”

      “…our rejection of AGW is not absolute; it might be a false positive, and we cannot rule out the possibility that recent global warming has an anthropogenic footprint. However, this possibility is very small, and is not statistically significant at conventional levels.”

      So there you go.

      http://www.earth-syst-dynam-discuss.net/3/561/2012/esdd-3-561-2012.html

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        Peter Crawford

        Llew Jones – well said but you only said it once and that is not sufficient to vanquish the mighty John Brookes. You have to say it AGAIN.

        we cannot rule out the possibility that recent global warming has an anthropogenic footprint. However, this possibility is very small, and is not statistically significant at conventional levels.”

        we cannot rule out the possibility that recent global warming has an anthropogenic footprint. However, this possibility is very small, and is not statistically significant at conventional levels.”

        we cannot rule out the possibility that recent global warming has an anthropogenic footprint. However, this possibility is very small, and is not statistically significant at conventional levels.”

        That should do it.

        Take that, Brookesy, you have been comprehensively out-agained.

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      Geoff Sherrington

      The divergence of atmospheric GHG and global temperature IS significant at 16 years, although in time people might learn the correct construction of envelopes of uncertainty.
      If 16 years is not thought significant, then you need an explanation for the divergence. It’s not adequate, nor scientific, to say that some events like volcanos or PDO were different before this plateau.

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      AndyG55

      No John.. it is YOU that lacks significance.

      You are a NON-entity, a blot, and “emptiness”

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      Streetcred

      jb, how long since you mentioned anything that was of any relevance ? You’re just the department’s copy boy masquerading as an ‘academic’.

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    Wooster

    Sonny,

    “….CLIMATE PIGS” – that’s not very courteous.

    What do you reckon about the new reconstruction of Earth’s climate history?

    http://www.climatecentral.org/news/climate-to-warm-beyond-levels-seen-for-at-least-11300-years-15701

    It sure looks like we’re in warm territory, considering we should be heading for a cooling (cycles and all that). Instead we’ve had 9 of the 10 warmest years on record…..this century.

    How is that “not warming”?

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      Instead we’ve had 9 of the 10 warmest years on record…..this century.

      How is that “not warming”?

      In all 10 of the last 10 years of my life I’ve been the tallest I’ve ever been.
      How is that “not growing”?

      I hope you understand now.

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      @ Wooster #45

      It sure looks like we’re in warm territory, considering we should be heading for a cooling (cycles and all that). Instead we’ve had 9 of the 10 warmest years on record…..this century.

      … surely 9 of the 13 warmest years on record … this century (it being 2013) – no charge for fixing it for you ;¬)
      ps. Which records are you referring to – Met office UK and the Railway Engineer don’t seem to agree with you!

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        SimonV

        Actually, The UK Met Office does agree with him – you appear to have believed James Delingpole’s invention.

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    mwhite

    “McKibben’s 350.org exposed – Rockefellers behind ‘scruffy little outfit’”

    http://icecap.us/index.php/go/political-climate

    “350.org has the look and feel of an amateur, grassroots operation, but in reality, it is a multi-million dollar campaign run by staff earning six-digit salaries.”

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      AndyG55

      Well its pretty darn ineffective, if that is the case. !

      And redundant, since we are now beyond 350..

      and hopefully heading TOWARD 700 !!

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    Dennis

    I have been aware of the New World Order Fabian socialists agenda since the early 1970s and have been frustrated by conservatives, including politicians, who were in denial since WW2, including being unwilling to accept that the UN was hijacked. Christopher Monckton has been a brave advocate for the the good of all who cannot accept the far left of politics agendas. Thankfully more young people are waking up to the lies and deception. And in Australian political terms the major damage the left has been inflicting on our national economic prosperity. If this country had not suffered the financial setbacks, the economic vandalism, we would be so much better off.

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      Geoff Sherrington

      Dennis,
      You omitted unions, the big dead weight in the saddle. They should have realised 20 years ago that global factors influence Australian work conditions far more than a few rent-a-crowd holding up the traffic; then disbanded voluntarily.

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        Dennis

        Yes and global economy plus IT Age was why the Coalition’s Work Choices was for the future, possibly with some minor adjustments. In the late 1900s two British stockbrokers wrote a book The Sovereign Individual regarding the end of the Industrial Age for developed countries and the now IT Age and why future jobs and employment opportunities are not suitable for old fashioned employees, contractors are the future workforce although casual employees and even some employees will continue to be required for a while longer.

        I recommend the book to all who want to understand why the sovereign individual is the way forward to prosperity.

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    Cactus

    Tony from Oz-

    This blog post also relevant to your concerns about wood biomass and tree plantings: http://evacuationgrounds.blogspot.com.au/2013/03/hypocracy-and-philanthrophy_3.html#comment-form

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    See: Fear and Loathing Of Humans – The Pathology Behind The Climate Change Movement

    http://orach24463.wordpress.com/2013/03/

    “In a nutshell, the core ethos of the Climate Change Movement is the fear and loathing of humankind.”

    Fear and loathing of the destructive nature of human’s who must be subjugated to prevent them from destroying
    the earth via using the forbidden knowledge of the Sun’s source of power, (E = hv) and (E = mc^2), neutron repulsion.

    I do not know the author but this expresses the problem better than I could.

    With deep regrets,
    Oliver K. Manuel
    Former NASA Principal
    Investigator for Apollo

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    Beth cooper

    Looking forward ter Lord Monckton’s visit to Melbourne.
    Shall have a message tee shirt printed fer the occasion)

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    Considerate Thinker

    Congratulations for the outstanding result form the Western Australian Election, I guess that will give the University of W.A. Lewandowsky and the conspiracy jack rabbits as shock that the cook bots could not save the day. Greens wiped out, Liberal Party resounding win and nationals took Pilbara from Labour.

    Now the big talk is will toxic Julia get tipped out or will she dump the Carbon Tax to try and convince voters she was a victim of the evil greens and never ever wanted to saddle us with such a destructive and invasive tax, she and Labor are on the nose in more ways than one.

    I reckon The Good Lord might have some pithy comments on that even if he doesn’t want to be seen to be “meddling” in Australian Politics – and wait for Sundays Federal Labor and Greens attempt to spin Doctor those awful results.

    ABC of course were “not impressed”

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      janama

      No she can’t back out now, not after her interview with young Ben.

      http://www.2gb.com/audioplayer/7690

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        Joe V.

        Waowh! That was some interview. I’d heard about it but not actually heard it yet and I’d not imagined just how relentless it was.

        Thanks for posting it Janama.

        Practise of the law seems such a matter of interpretation, but surely any question of witnessing would only make a difference if the executor were denying the act ?

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        Graeme No.3

        Yes. Great interview (except from Julia’s point of view).

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      MadJak

      I guess the WA result has just gone to prove the most basic thing about leadership

      If people cannot trust you, you cannot lead them

      But hey, look at the others round guilleard, none of them have any idea what leadership is. So of course this simple fact must be a new discovery for those muppets.

      I guess that’s what happens when you select candidates with a heavy influence coming from trade unionists who have been poached in communist ideals

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        Graeme No.3

        While walking down the street one day a Member of Parliament is tragically hit by a truck and dies.

        His soul arrives in heaven and is met by St. Peter at the entrance.

        ‘Welcome to heaven,’ says St. Peter.. ‘Before you settle in, it seems there is a problem. We seldom see a high official around these parts, you see, so we’re not sure what to do with you.’

        ‘No problem, just let me in,’ says the man.

        ‘Well, I’d like to, but I have orders from higher up. What we’ll do is have you spend one day in hell and one in heaven. Then you can choose where to spend eternity.’

        ‘Really, I’ve made up my mind. I want to be in heaven,’ says the MP.

        ‘I’m sorry, but we have our rules.’

        And with that, St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to hell. The doors open and he finds himself in the middle of a green golf course. In the distance is a clubhouse and standing in front of it are all his friends and other politicians who had worked with him.

        Everyone is very happy and in evening dress. They run to greet him, shake his hand, and reminisce about the good times they had while getting rich at the expense of the people.

        They play a friendly game of golf and then dine on lobster, caviar and champagne.

        Also present is the devil, who really is a very friendly & nice guy who has a good time dancing and telling jokes. They are having such a good time that before he realizes it, it is time to go.

        Everyone gives him a hearty farewell and waves while the elevator rises….

        The elevator goes up, up, up and the door reopens on heaven where St. Peter is waiting for him.

        ‘Now it’s time to visit heaven.’

        So, 24 hours pass with the MP joining a group of contented souls moving from cloud to cloud, playing the harp and singing. They have a good time and, before he realizes it, the 24 hours have gone by and St. Peter returns.

        ‘Well, then, you’ve spent a day in hell and another in heaven. Now choose your eternity.’

        The MP reflects for a minute, then he answers: ‘Well, I would never have said it before, I mean heaven has been delightful, but I think I would be better off in hell.’

        So St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to hell.

        Now the doors of the elevator open and he’s in the middle of a barren land covered with waste and garbage.

        He sees all his friends, dressed in rags, picking up the trash and putting it in black bags as more trash falls from above.

        The devil comes over to him and puts his arm around his shoulder. ‘I don’t understand,’ stammers the MP. ‘Yesterday I was here and there was a golf course and clubhouse, and we ate lobster and caviar, drank champagne, and danced and had a great time.. Now there’s just a wasteland full of garbage and my friends look miserable.

        What happened?’

        The devil looks at him, smiles and says, ‘Yesterday we were campaigning…

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      Dennis

      Imagine the common wealth of Australians today if there had been continuity of good governments that had been focused on national prosperity with excellence in economic and financial management governing for the people and not for themselves and their maates. Green Union Labor has a poor track record of creating debt and wasting money. Thank you the majority of astute Western Australians who rejected the dark side yesterday.

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      While mentioning the WA election, there was almost a throwaway line just prior to when the telecast finished, and it came from Antony Green.

      He mentioned that while all the concentration was on the Lower House, there were no substantial Upper House numbers in.

      However, what he did says was that is the Lower House voting percentages carried over to the Upper House, then The Greens would lose all 4 of their seats in that House.

      Hope that carries over to the Half Senate.

      Tony.

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    Speedy

    Evening all.

    Just been to Monckton’s lecture. He has a dazzling command of his subject and a profound, infectious passion for the Truth.

    Many thanks to all those who helped make this possible, and to Chris Monckton himself.

    Cheers,

    Speedy

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    Roy Hogue

    How can we get Monckton to such places as Los Angeles, San Francisco, Denver, Chicago, New York City…?

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      Joe V.

      For any sake Roy, he seems to spend most of his time in the US, when he’s not in Aus.
      I don’t think Lord Monckton sees the US’s as being in quite so desperate position as Aus, just yet though.

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        Roy Hogue

        Joe,

        I think you’re right. He doesn’t see us as being in such bad shape as Australia. I know he spends much of his time here. But one way or the other, I can’t help wishing he would do some speaking tours now before the thing gets much worse (which it surely will do).

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          KinkyKeith

          Hi Roy,

          After LMs visit to Newcastle I can’t help but appreciate the benefit that his visit brought.

          There were two opposing newspaper articles about his visit that got Global Warming a good public airing and let people know that there is opposition to the concept.

          There is a constant media blitz put up by the government to protect Climate Change funding allocation and taxing so any contrary comment or publicity helps.

          The main negative for the government is that Carbon Taxes and Climate Change activism is causing huge rises in electricity charges; by the Government.

          People do really notice this and will vote accordingly.

          KK :)

          ps Got your comment via Jo and things are moving.

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        Eddie Sharpe

        Sorry Roy. Finger trouble (on a SmartPhone) . That Down tick was not earned.

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          Roy Hogue

          Eddie,

          All is forgiven. But I don’t worry about them unless I think they warrant some comment.

          Thanks for “confessing” the “typo”. I have the same trouble on the keyboard. My fingers are like lightening; they never strike twice in the same place.

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    Joe V.

    OT. According to Anthony Watts , the salvation of the planet is now in livestock farming, as desertification of vast swathes of land is a much greater threat to sustainable life than CO2 ever was.

    A bridge in the climate debate – How to green the world’s deserts and reverse climate change

    Saying:-

    This is one of the most important posts ever on WUWT, it will be a top “sticky” post for a few days, and new posts will appear below this one during that time.

    With reference to this video presentation, by Alan Savoury an African biologist.

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      Eddie Sharpe

      Isn’t that getting rather close to Sustainable Development, for Lord Monckton’s liking anyway ?

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        Joe V.

        There’s nothing wrong with being sustainable. It’s only sensible after all. It is the hijacking of the notion by the urban and academic intelligentsia again, by the UN bureaucracy and their Green Left opportunists to the service of a new & upstart ,bourgeois political plutocracy, that the World needs to protect against.

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      janama

      In Australia we call it Cell Grazing. Instead of putting grazing animals onto a 100 acre paddock you put them into one of 10 x 10 acre paddocks. You keep them in paddock one for a week and move them onto the next paddock for a week and so on. By the time they get back to the original paddock it has been 2 1/2 months and the vegetation has recovered, and the cattle don’t require worming as the parasites can’t exist for that long a period without a host. Janet Holmes a’Court tried it on a large scale on the Barkley Tablelands with great success. They discovered all these new plants that emerged during the resting time.

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        Joe V.

        I suppose that takes rather more work to manage than a free roaming herd and requires a lot more fencing. Is it popular with farmers ?

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          janama

          From what I understand the initial out lay in fencing is expensive as you suggest but the return in animal welfare, higher birthing rates, less chemicals, improved pasture and sustainability pays off.

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            Roy Hogue

            Janama,

            You know why the “world savers” will not go for this, don’t you? They will fight it because it leaves them out of the equation.

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        Len

        Cell grazing can be accomplished with the use of mobile electric fencing in the one paddock.

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          Joe V.

          So it’s not really as revolutionary as Dr. Allan Savory is perhaps suggesting on his presentation.

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            Roy Hogue

            I gave Dr. Savory my time up until he stated climate change from CO2 as a given and then I shut him down. We don’t need that!

            And I must say, from the initial signs of it, he’s just fear mongering. We don’t need that either!

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    janama

    and yes – it’s popular with farmers as they, more than anyone, want better animal husbandry.

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    Joe V.

    So what’s the answer ? Subsidies for livestock farmers to recarbonise the Red Centre ?

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      Roy Hogue

      So what’s the answer ? Subsidies for livestock farmers to recarbonise the Red Centre ?

      I hope not! If you can teach them how to do a better job then they’ll adopt better methods. Or some will and some won’t. Those who won’t will suffer and fail or learn from those who will. So in the end things are improved.

      But these days I fear government trying to force behavior in some preferred direction like the plague it is. It’s enslavement. Let government show us a better way if they can find one and then let us decide what to do. I fell for solar incentives — a tax break for solar water heating — once. I saw the actual value of the thing first hand and I’ll never go there again.

      What I really want is to get rid of the big business agriculture that is squeezing out the family farmer and bring back the people who had an incentive to get the thing right for the long term. But instead we have more and more good food crop land growing corn for ethanol. Ethanol does nothing useful at all, unless you’re a politician or an opportunist. My curse to the bunch of them!

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    Rereke Whakaaro

    Thought for the day:

    “When people are fanatically dedicated to political or religious faiths or any other kind of dogmas or goals, it is always because these dogmas or goals are in doubt.”

    Robert Maynard Persig, author and philosopher (1928 – ) – Author of “Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance”.

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      Joe V.

      Is it really, do you think ? Perhaps they’re not in doubt but just under threat, from competing ideologies, right or wrong.

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        Rereke Whakaaro

        It could be that you are right. Or perhaps being under threat raises doubts triggered by the question, “What basis do ‘they’ have, to threaten what I believe?”

        But anyway, I included the quote because I thought it applied to the trolls we get here from time to time. Especially those who get very agitated when challenged.

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      KinkyKeith

      Rereke,

      Funny you mentioned him.

      I didn’t realise that he had written Zen and … but one of my favorite quotes is:

      “I don’t know what sort of Future Is coming up from behind me,

      But I do know, that the Past Spread out before me

      Dominates everything”.

      Robert Persig.

      KK

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    Greg House

    Sugarplumfairy says (#10.5.1.1.5): “But it appears the boys at the UKIP still think he has the magic. It says: “Patients have been cured of various infectious diseases, including Graves’ Disease, multiple sclerosis, influenza, and herpes simplex VI.” Monckton should have it taken down, then there would be no confusion. He has obviously had the opportunity to do it, so why is it still there?”
    ===========================================

    My guess is that it is a dead end, a lose-lose situation.

    To remove that would be actually equal to the confession that it is not true. An explanation like a “slip of the tongue” is not convincing either. It seems very unlikely that the passage was not written by Christopher Monckton himself as well as all the other details of his biography in the presentation. Also note the word “our” there: “2008-present: RESURREXI Pharmaceutical: Director responsible for invention and development of a broad-spectrum cure for infectious diseases. Patents have now been filed. Patients have been cured of various infectious diseases, including Graves’ Disease, multiple sclerosis, influenza, and herpes simplex VI. Our first HIV patient had his viral titre reduced by 38% in five days, with no side-effects. Tests continue.” (http://www.ukip.org/content/latest-news/1675-christopher-a-man-of-many-talents)

    The only way to somehow reduce the damage would be perhaps to remove the whole article. However, they presented him as “UKIP’s new joint Deputy Leader”, so to justify the removal of the article they would have first to at least elect someone else as a joint Deputy Leader.

    What else I found surprising after reading “his full CV”, as they put it, was that there was no mention there of him being a member of the House of Lords, even without the right to sit and vote.

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    michael hart

    “…this embarrassing 17 year pause..”

    More usually referred to as the heptadecanopause, or the 17-year itch.

    Be careful of those types who go into the kitchen and start washing your dishes.

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      AndyG55

      I wish someone would come and do my dishes. !

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      SimonV

      This is the pause that the UK Met Office issued a Press Release about, saying it was an invention by Delingpole?

      Did you get fooled into believing Delingpole?

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    Buffalo Soldier

    Just found myself idly reading Slick Oils tweets, how has my life come to this..?

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    Dennis

    Who was it that was caught out in the Climategate hacking revelations as having emailed a friend asking what will people do when they discover the truth?

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    Considerate Thinker

    Gauerdian sinks to a new low in journalism, appoints deceptive Dana Nucitelli linked blog writer? Can this be true? see comments at Lucia’s the Blackboard or is it just a Lewandowsky conspiracy in the making. Now that is stupidity!!

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      John Brookes

      Ha ha. What if The Australian got Chris Monckton to write for them…

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      michael hart

      “Grauniad sinks to a new low in journalism, appoints deceptive Dana Nucitelli linked blog writer? Can this be true?”

      They certainly deserve each other. :)

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      Eddie Sharpe

      Not just Nutella De Vil, but that Associate 4th. rate Bible College Professor who came to notice for nothing other than his longwinded, nit picking attemps at misrepresenting and knocking Monckton. Now seems to be attempting to make a career out of it. Joining the ranks of the disgruntled, moaning, minnies that bicker more than a bunch of scaredie bloggers and spiteful journalists.

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    Considerate Thinker

    Here is his twitter link. sorry about my original spelling.
    https://twitter.com/dana1981/status/310066213839585281

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    Safetyguy66

    Sugarplumfairy, I too have spent some time working for organisations such as BHP and LCPL and its interesting you bring up one of them on the topic of corporate behavior. Having sitnesed first hand, serious incident reports being changed ten having the signature page from a draft stapled on the back to put names to findings that never occured. If thats your idea of an example…. pffft

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      Sugarplumfairy

      Hi Safetyguy66,

      If you had been paying attention you would have noticed we were discussing the role of Directors, not their behavior. But thanks for your contribution anyway.

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    Safetyguy66

    Sugarplumfairy, I too have spent some time working for organisations such as BHP and LCPL and its interesting you bring up one of them on the topic of corporate behavior. Having sitnesed first hand, serious incident reports being changed ten having the signature page from a draft stapled on the back to put names to findings that never occured. If thats your idea of an example…. pffft

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    Andrew McRae

    Did anyone reading here go to Monckton’s presentation in Brisbane tonight?

    Did anything new or interesting come out of it?

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    Bush bunny

    With EU carbon trading price dropping to an all time low seems that Australia looks absolutely ridiculous with a $23 pt price tag. USA have just announced their carbon emissions have dropped because of fracking. I’m sick of the ALP and their ideas on how to stop AGW. Pollution yes, but that can be corrected. Although China and large populated cities have pollution and the resulting UHI effect and always will unless they stop building and cut down humans in one area. Go Lord Monckton and I wish you well, Sir.

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