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Canberra Skeptics can join the No Carbon Tax Climate Sceptics party

Reader Mike passed me a note that Canberra/ ACT residents may be interested in. The Climate Sceptics party has changed its name to the No Carbon Tax Climate Sceptics and is working to establish a branch for the ACT elections. The party needs another 70 members by June 30th, so it can register in time for the ACT Election in October. Perhaps you know someone who can help out?

The Climate Sceptics Blog is here, the Climate Sceptics Party is here.

From the Party:

Do you live in the ACT and would like to assist the No Carbon Tax Climate Sceptics ?

The No Carbon Tax Climate Sceptics is a centrist political party, registered nationally with 800 members Australia wide, and wants to be registered in the ACT for ACT elections by June 30th. To do so, it requires 100 ACT members. Currently they have 30, so 70 more members are required to allow them to run candidates for the next ACT election on 20th October 2012.

NCTCS  will campaign primarily on the issue of the wastage of money by the current ACT government on “green programs” and other ideas that do not greatly benefit the environment.  They believe these wasted funds should instead be used to provide better ACT services across many areas.

If you would like to become a member of the ACT branch of NCTCS, you can sign you up for free membership before  June 30th by emailing nocarbontax@exemail.com.au.

Note: The Australian Electoral Commission will check you are an ACT resident and you are not a member of another political party

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    Rereke Whakaaro

    This is an interesting experiment.

    Why would a career bureaucrat join a political party that could, if elected, disestablish some of the plumb bureaucratic positions?


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    and above all, read: Donna Laframboise: “THE DELINQUENT TEENAGER -Who Was Mistaken for the World’s Top Climate Expert”. Apart from Amazon (where they do it), the best and cheapest version is the PDF edition which also contains 1,400 embedded links that take you directly to the source material cited. Available from TinyUrl.com/ipccexpose . PDF format will run on any platform incl. iPad. Get the free Adobe Reader, also available for any platform.


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    memoryvault

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    The graveyard of Australian politics is littered waist-deep with the bones of single-issue parties.


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    pat

    sceptical Poland now joined by another unidentified EU country! hooray.
    love the “might possibly consider” part of the draft:

    1 June: Reuters: Barbara Lewis: EU minister meeting to tackle carbon cuts: draft
    Editing by Rex Merrifield and Jane Baird
    European environment ministers are expected to reopen a difficult debate later this month on deeper EU carbon emissions cuts, but a draft text ahead of the meeting stops short of any firm targets.
    Previous discussion of bigger carbon cuts has been tense, with coal-reliant Poland objecting that they could damage its economy…
    “Ministers will, on request of the German delegation, take stock and might possibly consider adopting council conclusions on the roadmap concerning a transition to a competitive low-carbon economy (in) 2050,” reads the text of a note seen by Reuters ahead of the June 11 environment council…
    Draft conclusions ahead of the June meeting show that outstanding issues include the fact that one unidentified country wishes to delete reference to a low-carbon roadmap and one objects to new targets…
    Environmental campaigners say the 27-member union so far has not delivered funding commitments to help poor countries cope with climate change after an initial installment referred to as “fast-track financing” comes to an end…
    Environmental groups are concerned that Poland might win subsidies for coal plants that have yet to be built, as part of negotiating efforts to persuade it to drop its objections to increased ambitions on emissions goals. That would be a breach of EU rules, which aims to phase out coal-fired power generation…
    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/06/01/us-eu-environment-idUKBRE8500JE20120601


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    pat

    hilarious piece by Cosima. Charles “penny-pinching” is what everyone properly derided as “hypocrisy”…

    3 June: SMH: Cosima Marriner: Green fatigue
    While consumers are losing interest in the environmental impact of daily living, the corporate world is increasingly exploring how sustainable projects can make good business sense.
    When Prince Charles boasted of his environmentally friendly lifestyle recently, it didn’t come across quite the way he intended. His preference for wearing extra clothes rather than turning up the palace heating, his efforts to recycle old bathroom curtains into cushion covers, and the way he throws his bathwater on the garden at Highgrove, were all derided in the media as ”penny-pinching”…
    The carping about the carbon tax and the tedious to-ing and fro-ing over whether climate change is real have distanced the problem from everyday life. The challenge now is to bring ”green” back to a personal context.
    And the business world – traditionally the enemy of the environment movement – is leading the way as the economics of sustainability stack up.
    Being green has become ”almost too big now ” for consumers, argues the author of What’s Mine Is Yours: How Collaborative Consumption Is Changing the Way We Live, Rachel Botsman.
    ”It’s become a political issue. People find it really hard to relate to,” says Botsman, a former adviser on sustainability to Bill Clinton. ‘…
    http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/green-fatigue-20120602-1zohr.html


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    pat

    also from Cosima’s “Green Fatigue” comedy:

    ”Sustainability is now being recognised as a business initiative … 10 years ago it would have been recognised as an environmental initiative,” Madew says. ”I know some businesses don’t fundamentally believe in the environment but they do believe in the economy. It’s still green to them – it’s money.”
    Investors have driven the ”mainstreaming” of sustainable business practices, particularly since the introduction of the United Nations Principles for Responsible Investment (which were developed by an Australian, James Gifford) in 2006.
    ”I feel quite strongly about the responsibility of people managing money to allocate capital appropriately to ensure they’re encouraging companies to do the right thing,” says Joanna Davison, the regional managing director of Colonial First State Global Asset Management, a UN PRI signatory. ”It’s the more acceptable face of capitalism … It makes good business sense.”
    http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/green-fatigue-20120602-1zohr.html#ixzz1wgMgmgDc

    UN Principles for Responsible Investment
    An investor initiative in partnership with UNEP Finance Initiative and the UN Global Compact
    http://www.unpri.org/about/people.php

    UNEP Financial Iniative
    http://www.unepfi.org/

    dismantling this CAGW architecture will take time.


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    Rereke Whakaaro

    Why would a career bureaucrat join a political party that could, if elected, disestablish some of the plumb bureaucratic positions?

    Population of the ACT is around 350,000 and of those around 165,000 are commonwealth public servants.

    So around 50% do not work for the CPS.

    Surely there could be 70 people that can see the damage that the Australian economy will suffer under the tax on essential to life carbon dioxide, a tax predicated on a lie.


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    There are some journalists who think that they are asking tough questions of our Labor politicians trying to justify this iniquitous tax. Then there are the softball journos who will ask Dorothy Dixers so the Party line can be reinforced.

    But, in the main, those journos know journalism so when it actually comes to asking questions, it seems (to them) to be ‘black and white’, and they don’t ask the right questions because they don’t know.

    I live for the day when I actually hear the correct questions being asked of those politicians.

    Something like this one.

    Minister. This new Price on Carbon is aimed at those big emitters as you have told us. However, instead of making them pay for their full emissions, you are giving away a large number of credits to those largest emitters from the coal fired power sector, and they are only allowed to pass on to consumers the costs they are subject to for the credits they do have to purchase. Hence the cost of electricity will only rise a small amount this first year, rising each subsequent year. Minister, could you indicate the full price impact for electricity once those emitting entities are forced to purchase all their credits? Secondly, will the compensation package be rising each year to cover those increases?

    There are just so many questions that can be asked.

    But who is there to ask them, and going on the way Labor handles the media, they would never answer the question anyway, just stay on message.

    It makes me sick.

    Tony.


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    Kevin Moore

    Wayne and Julia should make an effort to be nice to Clive.

    …According to Palmer, his mining alliance with the Chinese has barely begun. He claims to control the mining rights to land which contains 160bn tonnes of iron ore – 100 times greater than the entire global output of iron ore last year.

    If China’s steel mills maintain current level of demand, Palmer is set to become an “Aussie oligarch” to rival Russia’s richest resource billionaires, a suggestion to which he responds with a smile. “I hope I’m nicer,” he says.

    Palmer commutes between Australia and his other home in Beijing by private jet, and boasts of friends at top levels in the Chinese government. Chinese banks seem to trust him. Last year, the Import-Export Bank of China made a $5bn loan to a Palmer-backed Queensland coal project which is supposed to deliver China’s power industry 1bn tonnes of coal in the next 30 years…..

    http://blakandblack.com/2011/05/17/985/


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    Andrew McRae

    Speaking of the carbon tax…. and speaking of electricity price rises… and speaking of regulated tariffs on retail electricity price… have I established a link that makes Campbell Newman on-topic?? :)

    I don’t usually watch TV news because I suspect it to be mostly rubbish – yes even compared to the Internet, that’s how bad it is. Last week I caught the beginning of the Ch9 news at 6pm and it reinforced my suspicions.

    The story hook was essentially “Campbell Newman can’t stop the price rises in electricity!”
    I think it went on to say “the government” (ie Qld) couldn’t stop the rises despite the LNP’s pre-election puffery to try to clamp down on the cost of living, and despite recent deregulation of the industry.

    The report contained so much misinformation and misdirection as to almost defy analysis.

    Mysteriously absent in the TV report was a question directed to anyone of self-importance as to:
    1) why Qld does not yet have a free market in electricity (In spite of claims of “deregulation” a government board will still regulate tariffs on electricity), and
    2) how can a State government stop cost of living rises when they don’t have much say in market prices whilst simultaneously a federal government is imposing The Great Big Tax On Everything? Or in other words….

    Compared to Commonwealth carbon kleptocracy, Cambpell’s cost-cutting congress carries King Canute* connotations.

    But it’s not all pro-government propaganda at Nine, as they do need to distinguish themselves from the ABC somehow. Meanwhile Nine is happy to report Origin dumping new solar cell investment in what has become yet another example of promised Green Jobs materialising merely as extra work for Chinese robots. This follows earlier news of the new government cancelling a $5M investment in the Cloncurry Solar Farm project. With the Commiewealth handing out free CO2 emissions to industry for 3 years and a likely political C-change set to repeal the carbon tax ASAP, it would be foolhardy indeed for private industry to dirty their balance sheet with clean energy adventures.

    Only 4 weeks of free speech remaining in Australia. Use it before you lose it!


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    John from CA

    No Carbon Tax Climate Sceptics

    Not exactly an endorsement for spelling but, setting that issue aside, why not call it the Common Sense Party.


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    Juliar

    If I was in Canberra I doubt I would join them for the aforementioned reasons. Though I must say that joining the Australian Sex Party is an interesting preposition or maybe the “Party! Party! Party!” party (I’m not joking, read here > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party!_Party!_Party! ):D

    In all seriousness, Parties with a single policy are never going to do well. I know someone who will be running for a lower house seat in the next Federal election as an independent. He has a couple of good platforms even if it isn’t likely that he will be elected. Unfortunately I am in a different electorate to him and I think he may be on the side of the alarmists even if he doesn’t have a specific policy on Global Warming.


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    Juliar

    May I remind the people at the Climate Sceptics Party who say there is ‘no party who is sceptical to AGW scam’, that they should take a look at Family First. http://www.qld-familyfirst.org.au/climate-change/


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    Juliar

    Sorry for posting 3 times in a row as I should have condensed my posts but there is another politician who has joined us ‘scpetics’. Please read > http://thegwpf.org/international-news/5878-climate-sceptisim-the-new-populism-and-vote-winner.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter


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    Scott McGeechan

    Rereke,

    Just maybe there are people other than bureaucrats (career or otherwise) who live in Canberra?


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    Tom

    Exactly my thought, ‘Vault. The hard work has already been done by people like Jo. The Coalition is the anti-carbon tax party and will reap the rewards. The only thing still to be determined is whether the main party that foisted this abomination on Australia is destroyed or just mortally wounded. The Greens are also a spent force in Australia; they have succeeded only in turning the ALP into a future splinter group like them.


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    Andrew McRae

    Few will mourn for the spent cartridge that arrests their assailant.


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    cohenite

    But what a single issue.

    Actually the NCTCS are an anti-Green party with myriad policies.


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    Peter Lang

    Any targets are useless and economically damaging.

    William Nordhaus book “A question of Balance” http://nordhaus.econ.yale.edu/Balance_2nd_proofs.pdf is very helpful for addressing the money issues. The books shows:

    - even if the countries that emit half the world’s CO2 emissions implemented a uniform, optimal, CO2 tax in unison, the cost penalty on the particpants would be 250%.

    - stringent targets for CO2 emissons, like EU is proposing, would be enormously expensive and impossible to achieve in reality.

    - if the whole world implemented an optimal CO2 tax and maintained it optimally (all counmtries) for the whole century (and all the other AGW assumptions are correct) it is estimated this would change the global average temperature by 0.5 C in 2100.

    - if the world delays implementing CO2 pricing for 50 years, it would make just 0.1 C difference to the temperature in 2100.


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    Peter Lang

    Minister, could you indicate the full price impact for electricity once those emitting entities are forced to purchase all their credits?

    Furthermore, what will be the compliance cost when CO2 pricing is implemented to the standard that will ultimately be required?

    The ultimate compliance cost for the ETS http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=13578&page=0


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    Graeme No.3

    TonyfromOz;
    you are neglecting the cost of “accommodating” variable generation e.g. from wind.

    Everyone (except greenies) knows it varies, and that gas turbines are used to balance them; i.e. they are run flat out to cover periods of sudden drop in output, and much slower when the wind blows again. It not just a matter of on or off.

    “If a (gas) turbine rapidly cycles from 60% down to 40% and back up to 60%, 5 minutes down at 15 MW/min, 5 minutes up at 15 MW/min, its roundtrip fuel consumption and CO2 emissions are about 19.6 – 20.6% greater than if it had operated at 100% for the same 10 minutes”. It is no different to a car, driven on a level road at a steady speed of 40 mph gets a mileage of, say 26 mpg. The same car driven on a level road at irregular and rapidly changing speeds that average the same mph has a mileage of, say 22 mpg.

    But the gas turbine operator now has less electricity (i.e. income) thanks to wind power, but has higher emissions (i.e. extra cost with the C tax). The situation is even worse with coal fired plants as they are designed for steady state performance. So the more wind the more the cost of electricity increases. A C tax just makes the increase higher.

    That, of course, is the object of the greenies. Make conventional electricity more expensive so “renewable” energy can compete. And the other effect is people not having money to “consume”.
    Quite how people are expected to heat the cave or mud hovels they are reduced to, is not discussed, because it won’t affect the average Green. Have you noticed how well off many of them are? Or are houses on multiple acres of well watered fertile soil a lot cheaper than I think?


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    Rereke Whakaaro

    Really?


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    Rereke Whakaaro

    Canberra has another economy, other than the one based on the public service?


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    Andrew,

    Compared to Commonwealth carbon kleptocracy, Campbell’s cost-cutting congress carries King Canute* connotations.

    without doubt, one of the best pieces of alliteration I have seen in recent years.

    Tony.


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    memoryvault

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    I warned people about getting too excited at Campbell Newman’s win, just as I have repeatedly warned of expecting very much from a Coalition federal win.

    Newman’s previous primary claims to fame were digging a billion dollar tunnel to nowhere, and hogging all the credit for the “clean-up” campaign following the floods, which were, in fact, the brainchild of the Mayor of Ipswich.


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    Graeme No.3

    Renewables will cause Australian Power Costs to triple.
    “We think that, by 2020, the cost of electricity will be threefold what it is today, given the current policy of large amounts of renewables being forced into the system, un-costed charges for those renewables given the current policy settings and a substantial increase in transmission and distribution costs.”
    Grant King, CEO Origin Energy
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/energy-prices-to-triple-says-origin-chief/story-e6frg8zx-1225853385647


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    Juliar

    People have always complained about cost of living – nothing new here.


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    memoryvault

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    Two things that are guaranteed to kill a fledgling political party here in OZ:

    1) – The appearance – usually through the name – of being a single issue party;
    2) – Pretending they are anything other than a minor party and having lots of “policies”.

    With a name like “The No Carbon Tax Climate Sceptics Party” they will be seen as a single issue party regardless of their intent.

    Thinking Australians who care to look past the party name have a healthy disdain for minor fringe parties with a bag load of policies, for the simple reason that the party is never likely to occupy the Treasury Benches to be able to actually IMPLEMENT any policies, no matter how good they may be.

    Neither is there any point in any group without a multi-million dollar bank account trying to make a serious run for lower house seats either federally, or at state level.

    I don’t say these things simply to rain on anyone’s parade, only to try and save them some pain. In my time I have made and spent three modest fortunes learning how and why this approach is a dead end. I was one of the original driving forces and National Policy Coordinator of the Advance Australia party (AAS) that originally floated the idea of a flat rate tax, and at one stage had more fully paid-up members than Labor, the Libs and the Nationals combined.

    I founded the Citizen’s Electoral Councils (CEC) which ultimately wandered off and attached themselves to Pauline Hansen. I founded the Australians’ Right to Bear Arms Movement (ARBA) which was on the point of getting our federal gun confiscation laws quashed in the courts until we were sabotaged by the Sporting Shooters Association.

    Under the system that operates here in Australia the only way for people like us to hope to have any influence, is as a bloc in the senate. Don Chip showed us how to do it, and more recently the Greens have shown how powerful and effective it can be.

    Don Chip founded the Democrats with a nice, nondescript name, and one policy:
    “To keep the bastards honest”.

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    It worked, and went on working right up to the time when Chip resigned and the party decided it needed a policy for everything.


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    cohenite

    So, get in touch with the NCTCS; unless you have a better approach to the perfidious carbon tax and its attendant ideology.


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    Kevin Moore

    The borrower is servant to the lender – the governments financiers dictate policy.

    By the time John Howard became Prime Minister in 1996, the rout was almost complete. The biggest international gathering of financiers ever held in Australia met in Sydney within three months of the election, and, under the chairmanship of John Corzene, C.E.O. of Goldman Sachs and now a United States Senator, instructed the new PM on acceptable policies if he wanted his programme ‘bankrolled’. Howard hastened to comply! This distasteful episode was fully reported in the Australian Financial Review.
    http://www.alor.org/blog/entry/mending-a-mortgaged-world


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    Joe V.

    There was a rather successful independent Member of the UK Parliament some years ago, Martin Bell, a respected ex war correspondent, who stood on the single platform of countering ‘sleaze’ in parliament.

    While thats the sort of platform no-one is likely to disagree with the NCTSP’s clearly stated position may not have quite such universal appeal.

    Calling for a referendum though, on such enormous matters as a brand new tax, may have a rather wider appeal. This is why Eurosceptics for instance typically call only for a referendum, a platform of consultation, that it’s hard to disagree with.


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    Oops: there’s a typo in the link quoted in my earlier comment referring to THE DELINQUENT TEENAGER book. Should be: TinyUrl.com/ipcc-expose.


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    memoryvault

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    Since it would seem almost inevitable that we will be having a federal election in the next few months – certainly before Christmas, then the only approach to the carbon tax now available is to bring as much pressure as possible to bear on coalition members to drop, or at least amend, their almost equally perfidious “climate change” policies.

    We should be engaging in a major letter writing (NOT email) campaign letting them all know that once they are elected, ANY attempt to do anything else other than scrap all this CAGW-inspired nonsense will see them suffer the same fate at the following election as is about to befall Labor in the coming one.

    In the longer term what’s needed – and achievable – is a team in the Senate based on the concept of reviewing proposed legislation on the basis of a set of pre-agreed stipulations – eg, is there a mandate, do Australians want it, can Australia afford it, etc. Sort-of a more targeted and detailed “keep the bastards honest” approach.

    However I’ve written at length on that subject before with zero interest, so there doesn’t seem much point in boring everybody all over again with the details.

    I won’t be bothering the NCTCS; their “policies” amount to little more than somebody else’s version of “what’s best for the rest of us”, which, of course, is EXACTLY what Australians have become totally fed up with.


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    markus

    Graig Thompson knows where the other economy in Canberra is.


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    Joe V.

    I certainly see what you mean John from CA.
    Wouldn’t such an appeal to Common Sense leave their intended purpose(s) rather wide open to interpretation though ?

    One person’s idea of common sense depending very much on their point of view , which may differ markedly from the next person’s.

    I’m sure even the Carbon Tax might seem like common sense to a whole bunch of Greenies with limited life experience and for different reasons to some politicians with Global Governmental ambitions.

    It’s quite right to spell out what you stand for, while not feeling compelled to have a view on those things on which you don’t.


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    John from CA

    Wouldn’t such an appeal to Common Sense leave their intended purpose(s) rather wide open to interpretation though?

    It would and would allow for a dialogue related to appropriate solutions. Whether the voter leans left or right, it would also fit nicely in any Party.

    Consensus of opinion is the goal and definitive solutions are an easy sell.

    The problem with Cap and Trade is it accomplishes nothing and, regardless of Party affiliation, isn’t a benefit to the voter.


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    Joe V.

    Well that’s interesting, likening common sense to consensus and perhaps after a lot of honest, rational debate, rather a lot, these two things might tend to converge.

    Certainly standing on a platform of genuine consultation might have its attractions. Without holding referendums on just about everything though, the claim to consensus may be illusory.
    There was a Referendum Party in UK some years ago, standing on the single issue of consulting on European Union membership.

    We have seen in Europe though how referenda can be not only denied but adeptly manipulated and abused by a corrupt political class.


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    John from CA

    From my perspective, this would be very similar to the Tea Party movement in the USA that simply seeks to renew commitment to the principals of our Constitution and Republic.

    The Tea Party draws membership from all Parties both conservative and liberal (US definition applies).

    The hope is we are still capable of “a lot of honest and rational debate” which we are not getting from our elected officials. Easy solution in the USA, we’ll simply vote them out.

    Power to the People was an interesting ’60s muse, its funny how it so applies due to the complete lack of governmental insight these days.


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    Hi – here is what I read about the German situation – what’s done differently down under?
    http://www.renewablesinternational.net/german-wholesale-power-gets-cheaper/150/537/38193/

    Mike Hohmann, Architect + CleanEnergyPundit


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    Juliar

    You haven’t considered the population of elderly and kids. Ultimately over 50% of workers in Canberra are working as Public Servants.


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