by Jo Nova
There is extraordinary flooding across Victoria lately in the land of Droughts and Flooding Rains. The Australian ABC is telling us that “flooding in Victoria is uncommon“. But a ten second search on Trove Australia turned up the forgotten floods of 1870, just as one example, with these glorious drawings (below). Those floods 152 years ago seemed to affect many of the same places as the floods of 2022: the Murray River was a “vast inland lake” and almost the whole distance from Sandhurst to Echuca, about sixty miles, was underwater. Melbourne became an “antipodean Venice”. A rain-bomb dropped on the Keilor Plains and three feet of water fell “in minutes”. Train lines were left suspended in the air, and men, women, children, horses, cattle and sheep sadly drowned. And at Echuca, the water stayed high for two whole months, starting on Sept 9th but not peaking finally until November 7th.
Imagine what the ABC could do for Australia if it had a billion dollars and access to the internet?
Floods in Victoria — Sandhurst, from the top of Bridge Street | Click to enlarge
For the record, here’s the effect of all that CO2 on Melbourne’s rainfall since 1860
Spot the trend:
The Floods of 1870 in Victoria
The Wharf’s Echuca, families retreating from the low grounds | Click to enlarge
Imagine two months of floods?
High Street in flood at Echuca in 1870 Source: Trove
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Melbourne became an “antipodean Venice”
Floods at Railway Bridge, near Runnymede | Click to enlarge
A primitive Rain Bomb: 3 feet of rain in “minutes”
…On the Keilor Plains, he said, the rain came down in a positive sheet of water, unlike anything he ever saw before, and as the wind was blowing hard as well it was impossible to face it.
People rescued each other, or died trying:
The most poignant story of all comes from Coleraine in Western Victoria (these floods seem more widespread in 1870). Here at least two men drowned trying to rescue children, who also perished.
Around 12.30 am, an attempt was made to rescue residents on the low ground, including those at the residence of Robert Wright, the brickmaker on the banks of the creek, and dressmaker Betsy Gillies. In the nick of time, the Wright family got themselves across the deluge to safe ground. Miss Gillies was woken from her slumber and also escaped. In both cases, another few minutes, and the outcome would have been disastrous.
Attention then turned to the two cottages behind the Albion office, that of the Drummonds and Lairds. By now, the water was knee-deep and the current was too fast to safely cross. Constable James Mahon made a dash for it but was carried away. Fortunately, he managed to land on top of a pigsty and was able to get back to safety. He tried again and was able to save one of the children. Storekeeper Louis Lesser also headed across the water and rescued another child. He was also able to lift Mrs Margaret Drummond out of the water and on to the roof of a cowshed. Her husband, David Drummond got three children to safety and went back for three more, James and Margeret Jr and his niece Janet. He had one on his back and one in each arm as he made his way across. Suddenly, the current caught him, and all four were swept away.
Charles Loxton, the young accountant from the National Bank of Australasia (below). attempted to cross on his horse. They were both swept away, and it was then the rescue was abandoned.
…But looking around the town, it was anything but normal. It was devastating. “The scene when morning dawned was heartrending. Men, women, and children were found on chimneys and housetops; and all sorts of property was floating about”.
The whole history of Coleraine is here. Charles Loxton was only 22. A monument to him remains today. Margaret Drummond, who lost so many in her family, would survive until 1914.
In Melbourne CBD, people used ferries to get around, factories were underwater:
…the central parts of the city were speedily deluged, and the torrents which swept down Elizabeth and Swanston streets stretched across the roadway, and reached the door steps on both sides of the street. The St. Kilda and Sandridge roads were both submerged several feet in places, and all approaches to Emerald hill for a time disappeared. From the railway to the Immigrant’s Home in the one direction, and from the Botanical Gardens to beyond Emerald-hill in the other, all the flats were covered with a sheet of water. Ferry boats were in requisition, and without the aid of these all pedestrian communication across Prince’s-bridge was entirely cut off. The whole of the low-lying land between the river and Clarendon-street, Emerald- hill, was entirely covered. The factories on the flats all suffered severely, while many of the small manufacturers have sustained losses which, in some cases, may cripple them in their operations.
The River Murray near Balma | Click to enlarge
Illustrated Australian News for Home Readers (Melbourne, Vic. : 1867 – 1875)
Flood map of 2022:
Thoughts and best wishes to those affected this year.
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This is the area north and around Melbourne for 250 kilometers (160 miles).
Click to enlarge. Emergency Vic
REFERENCES
The Floods of 1870 in Victoria
The Great Flood of 1870 (The story of Coleraine)
Linden AshcroftabDavid J.KarolyacAndrew J.Dowdyb(2019) Historical extreme rainfall events in southeastern Australia, Weather and Climate Extremes , 100210
And even more droughts and trends graphs here.
FRIDAY, MARCH 10, 1911.
– Unprecedented Floods.
In Victoria the government meteorological authorities seem to have a penchant for announcing new records in the matter of rainfall and heat waves.
Every year seems to produce a heavier deluge or a higher thermometer reading than the last, and the public are becoming tired of the “scare heads” in the dailies setting forth a new record of unusual atmospheric disturbance.
But there seems to be no doubt that the deluge which descended upon this this District on Tuesday last, was the heaviest experienced for several years. Over three inches of rain fell in a few hours, and considerable damage was done to culverts, drains, roadways and private property.
At Hawthorn, Burwood road was inundated, and the water made its way into several business premises.
The railway crossing at Glenferrie road was submerged, the water was four feet deep in the subway at this spot, and the wheels of the passing trains cut through the water which covered the rails at Glenferrie station like the bows of a motor boat. The Auburn and Surrey Hills subways were also full of water, and the subway entrance to Box Hill station was awash to such an extent that passengers were for some time unable to use the southern
exit.
Everywhere the drains and water channels were overtaxed, and the flood waters swept over the roads and footpaths in a surging torrent which carried metal and earth irresistibly before it.
Lightning and thunder were particularly vivid and boisterous, but fortunately no damage was sustained from
that source.
To Quote Jo – “Scareheads”
it turns out Climate Alarmism has a long history in Australia
Who knew wariness of BOM and Media is not a recent thing?
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In these blighted times, anything that has not occurred previously within the current “news cycle” is officially “unprecedented”.
At least until “reclassified” in a “shock current affairs bombshell”.
People are being CONDITIONED by some decidedly EVIL forces.
Not sure about Smellbourne, but in Brisbane, there are quite a few buildings with flood height markers, inside and out, dating back to the 1890s. They are usually quite discrete, as “we don’t want to frighten the peasants”.
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Bruce
This was a nice piece of work by Jo. Your first line is highly pertinent. We have a very short attention span. Despite there being reams of evidence of past events which I have been writing about for 20 years-it seems that the propaganda is so great that we believe every large weather event is the worst ever. As the numerous flood marks in many European cities demonstrate we have been this way many times before.
However, our short memory going back through history can be seen in a comment I frequently found in historic British weather events dating back 700 years, whereby the person recording the event said something along the lines of:
“Such an event (flood, drought, snow wind, etc) has never before been known in the history of Man.”
Then a different commentator would say exactly the same about a similar event a decade later.
Once again well done Jo, although regrettably I suspect those that need to know this type of historic information won’t be reading it. Much of the information I glean was found in the archives of the Met Office in Exeter but the scientists on the floors above never came down to read them
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Despite its current penchant for Marxism, the day your conurbation on the mangrove swamps of Southern Qld even begins to rival the architectural, artistic and historic significance of Melbourne then, and only then, you can malign the place.
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Thousands of Aussies are homeless and Victoria is underwater – but the Bureau of Meteorology doesn’t like its nickname anymore and wants you to call it something else
. Bureau of Meteorology bizarrely requested it no longer be referred to as BOM
. The government weather agency has embraced the acronym for years
. Its apps, website and social media accounts all feature the BOM name
But a media release on Tuesday requested everyone now refer to its full name
‘With an ever-increasing number of severe weather events, it is more crucial than ever that the Bureau of Meteorology’s insights, wisdom and information are shared, understood and acted upon,’ it said in a media release.
‘To support this need, the Bureau of Meteorology asks that media outlets update editorial style to ensure references to the organisation are by its full name, the Bureau of Meteorology or the Bureau for short, and not BOM or the Weather Bureau.’
To justify its request, the government organisation even referenced the Meteorology Act 1955.
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In my opinion, the acronym BOM is superbly descriptive of their forecasting ability – they seem to ‘bomb’ out at every opportunity presented to them.
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The BOM should be renamed as the Bunch Of Muppets.
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The BOM has forgotten you don’t get to pick your own nickname,
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ALL QUIET: The face of the sun is almost blank despite 4 numbered sunspot groups; they are all relatively small and quiet. As a result, solar activity remains low. NOAA forecasters say the chance of an X-flare today is no more than 1%. Solar flare alerts: SMS Text.
POWERFUL GAMMA-RAY BURST MADE CURRENTS FLOW IN THE EARTH: Astronomers have never seen anything like it. On Oct. 9, 2022, Earth-orbiting satellites detected the strongest gamma-ray burst (GRB) in modern history: GRB221009A. How strong was it? It caused electrical currents to flow through the surface of our planet. Dr. Andrew Klekociuk in Tasmania recorded the effect using an Earth Probe Antenna:
https://spaceweather.com/
Surely Earth is the centre of the Milky Way. We are IMPORTANT. Biggest crisis in the known univers ity?
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Researchers have known since 1983 that gamma-ray bursts can ionize Earth’s atmosphere and, thus, disturb the great waveguide. This appears to be the first time anyone has recorded the effect using an Earth Probe Antenna.
The outburst on Oct. 9th shocked astronomers. Consider this tweet from Phil Evans of the University of Leicester: “It’s bright. Really bright. Like, stupidly really bright.” Evans works with data from NASA’s Swift gamma-ray observatory, and the overflowing signal had apparently broken some of his plotting software.
Data from NASA spacecraft have since pinpointed the burst.
It came from a dusty galaxy 2.4 billion light years away, almost certainly triggered by a supernova explosion giving birth to a black hole. This is actually the closest GRB ever recorded, thus accounting for its extreme intensity.
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http://launcestonhistory.org.au/history-of-launceston/notable-events-in-launceston/the-flood-of-1929/
https://www.examiner.com.au/story/5987578/remembering-launcestons-great-flood-of-1929/
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Rafe. You’re mature and sensible enough to know that “no-one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the average citizen” aren’t you?
Likewise PT Barnum’s observation “there’s a sucker born every minute”.So now we intelligent folk on Jo’s blog are supposed to marvel at both these realities being true?
FFS…only about 3% of educated </people have been able to think without instruction. The rest: never!
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Perhaps the greatest crime being perpetrated by the alarmist renewable zealots and rentseekers is the abuse of the word unprecedented. Every bushfire, every flood, every drought, every storm is unprecedented – except that in every case it isn’t.
Sadly the majority of Australians are spoon fed their news from a complicit media, or their children have been misled by their educators and they believe every breathless gasping claim that what is normal, albeit uncommon, is unprecedented.
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‘Unprecedented’ ➗ 1984 Newspeak =
reoccurring at regular intervals, happens all the time, nothing new, we’ve seen it all before, don’t panic.
My best wishes to all those affected by the latest New Venice of the South’s La Niña rainfalls.
[From the typo dept while this thread is new: Melbourne became; plural of ferry is ferries].
Great collection of artwork Jo. Thanks for all your research and enthusiasm, it’s contagious (in a healthy way).
[Ahem. Thanks fixed! – Jo]
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Yes Greg, people used ferry’s what to get around?
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Echuca is forecast to have a rare 1000 year flood coming their way. With data and statistics you can forecast the rarity of peaks out that far, I have no problems with that. I have problems with anyone thinking that the appearance of a 1000 year recurrence interval event is rare.
If there were 1000 towns across Australia, guess how many, (on average), would have a 1000 year event each year.
So beyond the immediate devastation and it’s impact on numerous lives and entities, (which is the real story here), why is this ‘sensational’ news. Every day, somewhere in Australia, (or anywhere actually), there is a rare event happening, whether it be tossing heads on a coin 10 times in a row, a stone thrown from a mower landing on a window sill but not breaking the window, a cup dropped on to the hard floor in the kitchen and not breaking or some insufferable cancer self curing. All may be rare and all, (with enough data), can be statistically analysed and evaluated for rarity.
So why does the media score some events as sensational, surely reporting the facts IS the news, not the ‘feeling’ and certainly not the belief of the author in some anti-science, rare event magnifier that they call climate scare/change.
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Eng_Ian,
Well I have a big problem with that because it assumes that weather has an unchanging distribution. There is no reason to think that the pattern of the last century should be the same as the pattern of ten centuries ago; every reason to expect them to be different.
The most important thing to consider with weather is that it is chaotic. You can blur the chaos away with means, standard deviations, regressions, but everything you care about in the weather is in the details hidden by these things.
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And, of course, the range out to 1000 years in a LPIII distribution that relies on only a maximum of, say 150 years, of real data.. is absolutely enormous.
(for those that don’t know, rainfall probabilities are generally determined by fitting what is called a Log Pearson III to the available data.)
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When looking at rainfall and runoff, if you have 150 years of data this is NOT 150 data points. It’s several thousand. Every rain event is a data point. So gaining insight into the statistics is reasonable. Actually having 150 years of data to forecast out to a thousand is pretty darn good.
What really screws the estimates is the changes to land use both in the catchment and the river profile along the route from catchment to discharge. Even ten years of ‘sensible’ development along a river can destroy the forecasts from thousands of years of data. If you want an example, look at Flemington race track, it wasn’t a walled off garden the last time the adjacent river flooded. And that changes both the local storage volume and the river channel width/profile.
Change screws forecasts not necessarily missing data, (unless a step change occurs and I don’t think anyone alive has seen one).
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I’m no stats magician, but doesn’t your statement of 150data points being a good indicator
for forecasting probabilities/frequencies of events in the future (and descriptor of the millenium) depend on the climate being unchangeable? That seems to be the basis of the Anthropogenic Global Warming theory. Climate would be constant but for humans generating carbon dioxide, a GHG, (and methane from many life forms) which is causing the world’s climate to warm continuously until it becomes unlivable for humans? While climate changes slowly interms of thousands of years, Global Warming relies on a century of statistics as proof of theory. That short period can go nowhere near describing the full gamut of the climate that changes over long periods. Hence former warming periods and cooling periods must be denied to keep the global warming argument in front of the people.
AGW theory is formulated on a selected short period of data collection, if I get it right, from what’s happened from ~1909. The evidence for the theory ignores inconvenient former measured and recorded data from the nineteenth century and prior. Surely utilisation of that data with its extended time and numbers of data points would allow for even greater accuracy in the stats! The effect of constricting the data collection period is, it allows the story to be presented as current occurences being unprecedented. That ‘unprecedented can only be legitimised by adding ‘since 1909’. That doesn’t happen because people wouldn’t/couldn’t be frightened into believing any weather tragedy is currently ‘unprecedented’and due to global warming, as seen often in the BOM TV reporting.
This blog takes upon itself to break that mold by showing such tragic events are common throughout history. The problem is, most people appear to get their information from a commonality of sources which invariably are global warming zealots which reinforce each other and the leftist political climate argument. There are few sources of popular news outlets that argue to the contrary of the ABC etc and there is now a huge profit based interest in big business circles and in society that has self interest on guaranteeing the message stays on cue.
There has even been business seeking assurances from government that policy would stay on course before advantage is taken to make large pro theory investments with the guaranteed profits to be had from the pockets of the nation’s poorest. If I was one of those businesses and looked at what is happening in the EU, UK and elsewhere currently, I would be starting to becoming very reticent about over committing capital to this theory for a year or two.
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I would think 150 years of data is essentially almost nothing when there are long term cycles we don’t even understand. Until we get climate models that work (and maybe not even then) what does 1 in 1000 even mean? Is it 1 in 1000 risk under certain orbital, tidal, solar magnetic/UV/wind, cosmic, global temperature, geomagnetic, interglacial etc conditions?
Indeed, I think the terminology of 1 in 1000 is misleading in itself. It implies there is some measurable value that has meaning. We not only don’t have the data, we don’t even have all the variables.
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Thanks Jo. The scientist cleaning up the message of the logistician (if that’s a word).
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Logician perhaps?
Unless you are describing someone who deals logistics.
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“deals in logistics”
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So based on us not living for a thousand years we therefore can’t forecast a 1000 year event. If that logic was sound, then you would not be able to tell me the odds of tossing a coin and getting heads in 10000 years time, just because coins have not been around for 10,000 years.
Really?
I think you missed the point, statistics will enable you to forecast the outcome of events, common or rare, out beyond the sample size, whether that is a sample based on a number, eg 100 people phoned at random as a representation of the population OR a sample period of 150 years to represent the longer term, say 1000 years.
Sure, there can be changes that are not known, but as I wrote above…
Change screws forecasts not necessarily missing data, (unless a step change occurs and I don’t think anyone alive has seen one).
Until a step change is SHOWN to be present, you use the data that you’ve got. Or is there another science at work here. Religion, a belief that a change IS there, even if it has not been seen yet.
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Eng_Ian,
Statistics was never designed for analying chaos. It’s all about randomness and chaos is *not* random. Look at this short video of a double pendulum. Its motion is definitely not random — it obeys *basic physics* no less — but it is highly unpredictable. A tiny difference at one point leads to vastly different behaviour shortly afterwards.
Statistical methods can be applied to anything of course, but applying them to the wrong thing leads to meaningless results. Hence climatology.
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Jo,
You are right, of course; “we don’t even have all the variables”.
Even though various tongues-for-hire keep parroting that the ‘Science is settled’.
Auto
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People say a 1 in 100 yr flood, 1 in 50 yr flood, but that is not what it means. A 1 in 100 is a 1 percent chance of a flood that size happening this year. Could happen the next year too, and the next, and 30 more in the next 100 years. (Pushing hydrology studies memory there, long time ago)
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A 100 year event IS NOT 1% event in any year. A flood that exceeds a 100 year event level could also be a 200 year event, or more. You shouldn’t link percentages to events like floods.
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We have to remember that the old adage is more true than the statistics. There are lies; damned lies; and then there are statistics….
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Australia’s great floods of the past, how people forget.
And the incompetent media fails to remind them.
I wonder why . .
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We love a good disaster…..let it rain extreme language and emotions …we are so anaesthetised to our lives these days we need anger not frustration, crises not difficulties, lust not love. We have come a long way but we’ve been going in the wrong direction.
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This was written in 1908.
Australia has always had droughts and floods.
Even the Aboriginal knew this and warned settlers not to build on flood plains around Sydbey.
But with the Left, they have erased history.
My Country
The love of field and coppice,
Of green and shaded lanes.
Of ordered woods and gardens
Is running in your veins,
Strong love of grey-blue distance
Brown streams and soft dim skies
I know but cannot share it,
My love is otherwise.
I love a sunburnt country,
A land of sweeping plains,
Of ragged mountain ranges,
Of droughts and flooding rains.
I love her far horizons,
I love her jewel-sea,
Her beauty and her terror –
The wide brown land for me!
A stark white ring-barked forest
All tragic to the moon,
The sapphire-misted mountains,
The hot gold hush of noon.
Green tangle of the brushes,
Where lithe lianas coil,
And orchids deck the tree-tops
And ferns the warm dark soil.
Core of my heart, my country!
Her pitiless blue sky,
When sick at heart, around us,
We see the cattle die –
But then the grey clouds gather,
And we can bless again
The drumming of an army,
The steady, soaking rain.
Core of my heart, my country!
Land of the Rainbow Gold,
For flood and fire and famine,
She pays us back threefold –
Over the thirsty paddocks,
Watch, after many days,
The filmy veil of greenness
That thickens as we gaze.
An opal-hearted country,
A wilful, lavish land –
All you who have not loved her,
You will not understand –
Though earth holds many splendours,
Wherever I may die,
I know to what brown country
My homing thoughts will fly.
— Dorothea Mackellar
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She never would have scored a job with BOM- sorry the Bureau of Meteorology.
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Yes, but Venice is not being subject to any rising sea levels yet. Venice is slowly sinking into the mud that it is built on.
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Australians have been ignorant of history since 1789. This article relates to Sydney floods but the same ideas apply.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/governors-phillip-and-macquarie-warned-about-building-in-the-path-of-floods-still-we-don-t-listen-20220303-p5a19i.html
Governors Phillip and Macquarie warned about building in the path of floods. Still we don’t listen
By Ellen Hill
March 3, 2022
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In 1789, Governor Arthur Phillip was exploring at the confluence of the Hawkesbury, Nepean and Grose rivers at the foothills of the Blue Mountains in Sydney’s north-west. He noticed weeds entangled in the tree canopy and learned from his Aboriginal guide it was remnants of a flood that had swirled through a few years previously.
Phillip warned colonists about the dangers of living too close to the river. They ignored him.
Ten years later colonists experienced their first flood when the river peaked at 15.25 metres. Governor Lachlan Macquarie issued his first warning in 1810. He was largely ignored.
Two floods later, his order to change their “wilful and wayward Habit” and move to higher ground was read from every church pulpit. Those who ignored him would be considered “wilfully and obstinately blind to their true Interests” and undeserving of government help or protection.
Yet Catharine Eather, aged just 36, was mercilessly swept up with her sister-in-law Emma, 38, their five children apiece and eight others on June 21, 1867.
As we should today, colonials should have known better as they experienced the Hawkesbury-Nepean River ebb and swell with frightening regularity – March 1800, three times in 1806, May and August 1809, June 1816, February 1817, February and June 1819, July 1857, thrice in 1860, June and July 1864, and so on.
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SEE LINK FOR REST
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I remember the Murray floods of 1956.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1956_Murray_River_flood
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Then you would remember that this was caused by rain falling in NSW not Victoria.
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Guess where the rain falls that fills the Murray Darling system.
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NSW, ACT and Victoria with a bit of QLD and SA.
What is your point? The current flooding is almost all from VIC and the 1956 event was falls in NSW.
Jo’s article above, which you might have read, is about flooding rains in Victoria.
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oh. Now I get it.
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It feels like back to back La Nina and Victoria gets a mention.
https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/special-features/in-depth/the-big-wet-the-murray-river-floods-of-1956/news-story/2609950c0024d382c9b7e31255502a81
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Gee Aye a big contributor to the Murray floods is water from the Hume dam at Albury which is under NSW authority, the Dam built for flood mitigation and irrigation storage is now 100% focused on irrigation and zero % on mitigation . With Dartmouth spilling and over 100% capacity there has been no thought again to flood mitigation in either Dam and now they are forced to release extra water from Hume . Last big release would be hitting Echuca about now and with flooding upstream and more big rain on the way in an already water logged catchment there is little wonder the Murray is in flood from Albury to Echuca and beyond . The authorities knew this year would have been a wet year and both storage’s should have kept at least a 10% buffer for floods mitigation , yes there has been flooding in rivers and creeks in Victoriastan downstream but the Murray was already high and in minor flood in places because of the forced release of massive volumes of water from Hume dam .
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Of course. You generally get floods like this on top of a system that is already near capacity.
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The Vic government also took out the Mokoan storage which was meant to be tied in with operation at Nillahcootie to help mitigate flooding on the broken. This is the first good lot of rain i have seen since that decommissioning. Living out of Benalla the roaqdsa round here never really saw flooding like I saw back in the early 2000’s, with depth of water over the roads being lower than at those times. Time will tell I suppose if that has contributed to the depth of flooding in Benalla itself.
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Drove over the channel that diverts floods from the Broken river into Makoan and it’s empty , but Benalla did get flooded .
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Thanks for your hard work Jo and I’ve linked to the Ashcroft SEA study a number of times over the last year or so.
This has Karoly as a co author and you’ll note that the driest period for Melbourne was during the 2001 to 2009 millennium drought and yet the early records also had very severe floods that you’ve linked to for us.
Don’t forget that co2 levels were very low in 1900 ( 296 ppm), 1950 (311 ppm) and still below 350 ppm in 1986. THINK.
Another paradox for the lefty extremists is the fact that our driest Aussie year in the last 122 years occurred in 2019. Just 3 years ago, again THINK. The previous driest year was way back in 1902 during the Federation drought. Again, think.
http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/climate/change/timeseries.cgi?graph=rranom&area=aus&season=0112&ave_yr=0
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Remember the BoM said in early Sep 2019 that sudden stratospheric warming would make the drought worse and increase fire risk.
The air above Antarctica is suddenly getting warmer – here’s what it means for Australia 9Sep19
http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/updates/articles/a035.shtml
Rare weather event over Antarctica driving Australia’s hot, dry outlook 6Sep19
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-06/rare-weather-event-over-antarctica-drives-hot-outlook/11481498
sudden stratospheric warming now virtually wiped from memory of media and Oz Govs.
The Gladys NSW Royal Commission never mentioned it.
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So in 2019 the BOM made a completely correct short range forecast for dry and hot spring and summer. The then prime minister read this and bought his tickets to Hawaii while the east coast burnt and was submerged in smoke. Silly BoM.
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Great to see you admitting its all just natural variability…. .
… over which humans have absolutely no control or influence.
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No longer mentioned but a few months ago the NGO Climate Council was back on their never ever changes bushfire season warning mantra.
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Instead of wasting countless billions over the last 30 years on economy-destroying windmills, solar panels and Big Batteries, for the sole benefit of the billionaire subsidy-harvesters, Australia should have been:
Drought proofing
And
Flood proofing
And
Idiot proofing! (through proper education).
The dams needed for both drought and flood proofing might have even provided a bit of hydro electricity as well as a by-product.
Instead we have a severely compromised energy grid which has an increasing probability of “going dark” and for which the electricity costs are now among the highest in the world when they used to be among the cheapest and are certain to keep increasing as more unreliables are added.
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Well said David.
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Thanks William.
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David we can all remember government knee jerk reaction for fires, huge infrastructure builds for “safe places” and fire proof building in some country areas. Followed by drought and panic predictions by an anthropologist that it would never rain again. A Desal plant in Victoriastan costing billions that supplies water at great expense when it is actually a wetter than average year. A pipeline that a previous government declared would never bring water from north of the divide to Melbourne was also built at approx. one billion dollars, and by a peculiar twist of fate, although this pipeline was built, it has never been used to supply water.
Now how about a knee jerk reaction to build dams.
Funny thing about dams, we are constantly told they will ‘damage” the environment, and yet, while clearly changing the environment from a terestrial one to an aquatic one, how is damage to the environment determined? The species around any dam will certainly change and may even result in greater biodiversity. So who and how are these things decided.
Just a rough guess would suggest nothing more than polictial advantage and simply bugger eveything else!
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Another useful by-product would be irrigation.
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In Vicdanistan I was horrified that the government announced that people who didn’t bother to insure their properties would be given $42,000 from other taxpayers.
Why bother having insurance at all?
I have to pay several thousand a year in insurance.
These uninsured parasites have had the pleasure of receiving from taxpauers the equivalent of over 5 years of my insurance contributions and have had the pleasure of spending that money while I had to forego such spending to pay for insurances.
And unlike them, I made sure I didn’t live in an area prone to flood, bushfires, tsunamis etc.
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Correction, not five years of my insurance contributions but 14 years. They have had the pleasure of spending that money on whatever they wanted for 14 years but I had to spend it on various insurances (car, house, contents, etc.).
This is nothing but wealth confiscation from the responsible to the irresponsible.
I am so angry about what’s happening in the People’s Republic of Vicdanistan. And we are set for 4 more years of the same as there is no credible opposition.
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David,
I’m with you on this , and I agree that what’s worse is that it’s possible that the Labor party will get re-elected again . Pity you can’t idiot proof the electorate . We were bankrupted by Cain and Jolly in the 80’s and the same is coming again except worse this time . The Federal system is the same .
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What’s worse is that the Arundel / Upper Maribyrnong dam could have been built for $80 m back in the early 2000’s. If built, it would have saved at least that in damages to the Maribyrnong and downstream suburbs.
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“people who didn’t bother to insure their properties”
Does that cover those who insured their properties but the insurance did not cover floods?
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Presumably insurance doesn’t cover floods when people choose to live in known flood zones. It’s a choice people have to make.
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David Maddison
October 18, 2022 at 9:23 am
“Presumably insurance doesn’t cover floods when people choose to live in known flood zones. It’s a choice people have to make.”
But they first need to see if they are about to move into a flood zone.
How many are able to do that – and adjust their plans accordingly?
After our education, I suggest ‘quite few’ here in the UK. “Flood plains” do what it says on the label.
Might be different in Australia . . . .
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Australia doesn’t have a flooding problem.
We have an idiot problem.
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Compromise. You have a flood of idiots.
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We have a propaganda problem
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That too.
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BTW most Aussies live in Eastern Australia and the bad 2019 drought was much less extreme than for all of Australia.
In fact it was similar low rainfall compared to a number of other years since 1900. Check the BOM Eastern Aussie data.
http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/climate/change/timeseries.cgi?graph=rranom&area=eaus&season=0112&ave_yr=0
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Yes Neville, using averages is very often an extremely poor indication of climate, particularly across a large area. Saying 2019 was the “driest” year is nonsensical. For most of populated Australia that year was very good. As every farmer knows its not the total for a year that matters its HOW that rain fall. Timing and individual even totals are more critical than overall totals. The overall standout year for dry and drought for eastern Australia is 1896 – that was a doozy, as was most of the 1890’s and early 1910s. Unfortunately, as you know the BOM ignore anything before 1910 for their al their climate announcements.
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Interestingly 1919 was our driest year on record here south of Brisbane, 2019 comes in as 4Th lowest. Just a fluke, or is there a 100 year cycle?
1993 & 4 come in as second driest & 5 driest.
1893 was our wettest, & this year is already our second wettest, & could take the title the way it is going.
I defy anyone to find any trend in that lot.
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Flooding in Victoria is only uncommon if the reporter is a wet behind the ears 20 something pretend reporter, they haven’t lived.
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We have had over 100 years warning to build dams for flood mitigation, floods are not Uncommon , droughts are not Uncommon and bushfires are a certainty.
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AGAIN here’s the BOM Aussie rainfall anomaly graph since 1900 with an 8 year moving average line.
What farmer wouldn’t want to live in the last 50 years compared to the first 50 years. IOW chalk and cheese.
http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/climate/change/timeseries.cgi?graph=rranom&area=aus&season=0112&ave_yr=8
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AGAIN here’s the BOM MDB anomaly rainfall graph since 1900.
Using the 8 year moving average line you’ll note that the graph line is below average for the first 47 years. THINK.
And the highest MDB rainfall year is now 2010, even beating the severe 1956 flood year.
BTW this 2022 year looks likely to give the 1956 and 2010 very wet years a shake. We’ll know on 1st Jan 2023.
http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/climate/change/timeseries.cgi?graph=rranom&area=mdb&season=0112&ave_yr=8
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And do not forget that cloud seeding CS experiments began in SE Oz in 1947 and ran for decades.
So some of the high rain in those years could be enhanced by C.S.
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Ahh, those were the days. Cloud seeding and controlled burns in Spring and Autumn for most of the 1950’s, 1960’s and 1970’s. Back, when we had sensible people in charge of environment.
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Jo – good stuff.
The BOM and our press suffer from a severe recency bias. We all know the BOM disregards temps before 1910, as the high temperatures prior to there destroy its hysterical climate change push. They appear to accept rainfall data prior to this, showing them to be shills rather than scientists.
There is no reason to discount carefully recorded temperatures and rainfall figures just because they are old. Again a recency bias.
This all reminds me of what a fellow who escaped the Soviet Union told me – he mentioned that when he lived there you could not get newspapers at the library older than 18 months. He said this is because the Party wanted to be able to rewrite history at any time… Sounds awfully like what we have happening here in Australia, except its the press who appear to be actively involved in this dangerous agenda as well.
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If the ABC has any comment on just about anything you know it’s a lie.
I’d ask for my 20 cents a day back if I had the chance – that is money wasted !
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It actually isn’t the ABC it is
Can you show where she lied Rosco or did you just unskeptically believe the headline?
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most commentators never read the article, they mostly just post according to their bias, Gee Aye,
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Natural bias and short attention spans, a quick perusal and straight to the comments. Its not uncommon.
The ABC is not guilty of telling fibs, but most of the journalists believe CO2 causes global warming. So its a sin of omission they are guilty of.
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After a flood in the 1990s the VRC built a wall along the Maribyrnong River to protect the Flemington Racecourse from flood. It seems to have been successful for the current flood. Now some residents are suggesting that the wall has caused the damage to be worse for them.
I suppose these people believe that it is better to spend trillions of dollars reducing CO2 emissions, thereby stopping climate change and the floods, rather than spend millions or billions building walls and dams to contain the flood waters.
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I suppose you could say that the wall stopped the river being wide at that point, so anyone upstream now has a longer and higher flood to contend with, (typically a long term flood duration event).
For short term downpours, the racetrack is also an area where the river cannot flood in and fill, so areas downstream are now seeing a faster and higher level peak in short term events.
So yes, it could be a contributor. As an example for you. If you lived on a river flat and one of your neighbours locked off his side of the river from the river back to higher ground, would you be happy living in the partial dam that he created, would you object? I think you would, as should the people affected by the wall.
PS I don’t live anywhere near the place but if you look at the aerial photo you can see that the wall has reduced the natural drainage channel width and decreased the short term ponding, promoting a short term higher peak in the area.
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Is that the same David Karoly (CSIRO) who was a lead author for the disaster chapter for the 2017 IPCC report? Where basically they used invented opinion and faked evidence, particularly regarding hurricane/ cyclones predictions and climate change? If its the same bloke, I’m not sure I would believe anything he has written or been associated with.
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…2007 report ( not 2017)
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You then go on to say how easy it is to find a bunch of “forgotten” floods.
Weirdly you link to an article in The Conversation that literally uses the same data that you use and provides a narrative and pictures of several “forgotten” floods, completely in agreement with what you go on to write. The author probably had no control about the use of the word “uncommon” in the headline, but the author does define the frequency of these events. They also make some interesting points about what has changed over time such as urban storm water and dams.
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‘The author probably had no control about the use of the word “uncommon” in the headline …’
Blame the subeditor for inserting click bait.
Looking at Ashcroft et al we can see they have no comprehension of ENSO.
‘Future projections of extreme rainfall events over SEA suggest that extreme rainfall events are likely to increase in magnitude, although more work is required to determine the significance of these changes.’
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“Future projections of extreme rainfall events over SEA suggest that extreme rainfall events are likely to increase in magnitude”
Based on absolutely ZERO science. !! ie, a crystal ball reading, or tarot cards would be just as likely to be correct.
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La Nina like conditions were more common in the 19th century.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Enso_jma.png
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Here is an abstract explaining in detail what happened in the latter half of the 19th century.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/258839630_Southeastern_Australian_climate_variability_1860-2009_A_multivariate_analysis
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A case of induced amnesia for the ABC and BOM? What better way to use history than to forget the old stuff and replace it with new stuff on a seasonal basis.
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love history, and what it can tell us about climate
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In order to see future climate we must first look back.
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When will your comments give evidence of that PF.
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Are there any images of wind turbines and solar panel arrays submerged in water?
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A few collapsed pylons ought to do
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Here is a flooded Queensland solar subsidy farm.
https://www.sunshinecoastnews.com.au/2022/03/10/sunshine-coast-solar-farm-flooding/
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Thanks DM. Probably removes light dust thus improving solar insolation! Doh!
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And in the “something that is so indescribably stupid it could only happen in Australia department”, I just heard on the radio that SES (State Emergency Service) volunteers are being turned away from helping in flood zones unless they are triple vaxxed.
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Thanks Jo. A great article and superb pen and ink drawings that are just as good as photos. I have copied them and done a posting in Instagram for all my daughter’s left of centre in-laws to grimace over. I just love doing that, then a wait for the denials, which they just cannot help themselves but must make. I recently posted some photos from the brilliant GBR with the official report that it was at its best for 30 years and got this comment back “FACT – Climate change will destroy the GBR!” Hilarious.
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I don’t get it. Why would they grimace.
If they read the lefty abc or fairfax papers they would have seen the article that reports on exactly the same floods as Jo does. So your in-laws will already know this. btw this article, which is a list of these not so forgotten, events is also linked in the ABC’s article (a reprint of the conversation – not the abc’s own writing). oops
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Great point!
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Yeah, good point.
On the question of Victorian floods, its clearly a natural variable.
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The problems which beset a land of droughts and flooding rains are exactly that. And bushfires.
This is not Climate Change. It is the climate.
Our continued suffering after 200 years is entirely a disaster caused by Green policies. We know better.
Terrible bushfires are now a direct result of Green refusal to keep forests under control or away from houses.
Disastrous floods are a direct result of a lack of dams.
Drought devastation is also a direct result of a lack of dams.
We in Australia are possibly the worst in the world at managing water. And like power stations, we have to thank previous generations for their hard work and foresight and stop shutting them down and blowing them up. Wind and Solar are only available 30% of the time. But the Tesla set cannot work out why they cannot charge their expensive cars. Someone must have stolen the power.
But the planet worshipping inner city ignoramuses Greenies think that ‘Mother Earth’ will look after them, that everything natural is good and for their benefit and they are the children of the planet. So why bother about bushfires, floods, drought, tsumamis, earthquakes, volcanoes. Mother Nature will provide. Really?
I prefer the more sensible message from ancient Greece of “God helps those who help themselves”
Our politicians cannot do enough to please the Tesla driving upper middle classes. I think it’s aspirational. Damn the workers and the farmers, but not the rivers.
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I have just found on my HDD a 19 page word doc from 2018 title – “Three Melbourne floods of the early 1860s”
any ideas who wrote this? There is no author in Properties.
I do not recall doing it.
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And on floods in Melbourne, people then did things which made sense. Melbourne had perhaps the worst port in Australia by far. Shallow, meandering and the entrance to the city was through a marsh. You had to go up the Salt Water Creek (Maribyrnong) and head right through the fens where the Moonee Ponds creek joined and muddle through to the city. I mean muddle.
Big ships would dock at Williamstown and people would be rowed across in small boats.
When we finally had docks on the Bay, they had to be constantly dredged, as do the two channels up the bay. 80% of the bay is under 6 fathoms, about 36 feet or 11 metres. Most is very shallow. And you have to survive the Rip at the mouth of the bay.
But people had vision. The river Yarra was straightened. And the biggest project at the time in 1886, a straight one mile path between the entrance to the Maribyrnong and the city called the Coode Canal. Dug by hand and steam shovel, it changed Melbourne, soon to be the Capital of Australia until Canberra was created. It was a huge project
And you can be sure that the Greens would not allow it today. Better that people go to other cities and leave them alone. No one wants to disturb the Water fowl.
Plus almost all the massive annual flooding stopped, a sea of water visible in old drawings where you could row from Williamstown to the centre of the city atop roads and past houses in Port Melbourne. Parts of Port Melbourne are still below sea level and a set of huge hidden pumps turn on during heavy rain, as they have for 140 years.
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A lot of the more public recent flooding was at least in part skulduggery. In the 1960s a corrupt Footscray council made developers rich by releasing flood plain land for housing. And then the floods came, as usual.
Brisbane did the same thing but less obviously with the sale of risky flood plain land after Wivenhoe was built. And thanks to the Flim Flannerys who refused to let out the water early enough (as happened last week too), a flood was inevitable but still better than destroying all of Brisbane which was nearly the case. Of course people lost everything. There should at least be a risk notice on the plan.
So while in the early part of the 20th century people built dams, like the 26 along the Murray which saved so many in the Millenium drought, dams which drought and flood proofed our river country, the Wokerati have been stopping dam building and then wailing about the consequences of their Green wokeness. We need more dams. All that fresh water racing to the ocean is a disaster.
The only thing that is certain is that after the next drought, there will be more floods. We are in a post sensible, post engineering terra forming world where feelings for frogs and water fowl dominates need and safety and Wokeness defeats science. This has now permeated all engineering and mining projects and funding and the fact that coal is our biggest export is being hidden from the public.
And it is from Federal to State to Council, the bien pensant are out of control. Our local council has banned nuclear and nuclear bombs in our city. Good for them, making the city safe from illiterate ICBMs. Councils are providing sheltered workshops for the Woke.
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There was a plan for a new Maribyrnong dam in 2006, but the Labor Government stopped it. As they stopped the export of $400Million of brown coal to India because the exporters were going to squeeze out the 66% water and make it ‘blacker’. It’s hard to be grateful enough to these protectors of the public good.
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The 1870s and 1890s were cool and wet.
‘A cooling of maximum and minimum temperatures was identified over 1872–1875 and 1891–1894, as well as high interannual variation in temperature from 1885– 1890.’ (Ashcroft et al. 2012)
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Melbourne has that at present. We have had few days over 30C in a decade. And on the few hot days it is very hot at lunchtime and freezing by night after the change. Global Cooling has already hit the Southern Hemisphere, exactly as predicted. But at least some Melbourne suburbs are safe from nuclear missiles, thanks to council announcements. That is when they are not retrospectively damning heroes of the past with place name changes.
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Its worth noting that the LIA didn’t end in the Southern Hemisphere until 1900, which may have had an impact on the Peru Current.
Its a prime example of La Nina like conditions, something to look forward to.
‘ … exactly as predicted.’
Who predicted?
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The prediction comes from Professor Weiss and team who fitted the last millenia and the last 250 years with incredible accuracy (see the graph at 15:23). And they needed only two cycles to do it, the De Vries solar cycle and the PDO/AMO cycle. The graph is amazing. And he predicted a peak at around 2020 and a rapid fall.
What you need is a model which replicates the past before you can assume it predicts the future and this model does it beautifully.
What I loved is that he used Fourier analysis and the two cycles fell out and they were precisely the two major cycles you would have guessed, one solar and one on ocean cycles. That is a wonderful confirmation. And buried in there is the little ice age ending in 1870.
While the lament from perpetual warmist modellers that La Nina is upsetting their predictions, the Weiss model is based on La Nina has no such problem. It’s a world away from Green anti democratic nonsense and demontrates what everyone knows after 34 years, that La Nina is significant and CO2 is not. Real science. Explain the hard facts of the past before you draw hockey sticks.
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Thanks for that, I’ll follow it up.
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We have critical evidence.
‘In 1984, Charles Sonett and Hans Suess proposed that the 208-year cycle seen in solar activity proxies could be related to ~ 200-year periodicity changes in tree-rings width. This finding has been confirmed for tree-rings, which reflect changes in temperature or precipitation, in several regions of the planet.’ (Javier/Climate Etc)
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A decade ago Paul Homewood did a post on the PDO/AMO cycles, which gives us a chance to confirm the hypothesis.
‘ … by the mid 2020’s we are likely to see both great ocean patterns stuck together in their cold phases well into the 2030’s.’
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el+gordo:
Can you refine that timing of the post?
Thanks
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And in Melbourne the Victorian Racing Club built a waterproof fence around the Flemington Race Course. Now residents on the other side are claiming it made their flooding worse. The logic apparently that if the owners had allowed the race course to be devastated a week before the Melbourne Cup, their flooding might have been a little less. What can you say? Would they consider a fence around their own properties, a real consideration if you build on a flood plain which is why the land was available. Lovely water views. Expansive in the Spring.
At least in Florida the people whose houses were flooded when Cyclone Ian hit the West coast and their little sea level sandbar sanctuary with 100 exclusive homes with water views on both sides appreciated the help but never sought to blame anyone else. Except of course Coal, oil and gas users.
Why is it the Climate people demand action to prevent predictable, avoidable, regular environmental disasters when they are the entire cause?
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Floodwater is hardly devestating for a patch of grass … although it does tend to slow the horses down.
Imagine if the Melbourne Cup was held a couple of weeks late one year. That would be … well, it would be a horse race wouldn’t it?
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But Tel:
That bit of grass is where the Glitterati come to be photographed and soak up the champagne.
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Why do people keep building on known flood plains.
Is it because real geography is no longer taught in schools?
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There are pictures in the following link clearly showing houses built on the floodplain around Flemington and Maribyrnong
Never build on a floodplain or other area subject to known natural hazards such as bushfires, hurricanes, storm surges, coastal erosion etc..
https://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/infuriating-photo-highlights-why-flood-victims-are-so-angry/news-story/3ed271a266bdf62d328dce43348d859e?amp
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It’s amazing to remember the time when British Engineering solved our water problems in that magical time before everything was prohibited.
The Nile flooded every year and the depth of the river was measured to set the rate of taxes. The flood filled the Nile valley in which still 81 million people live. For those who have not seen it, the valley for most of its length is a deep valley with water 1 km wide and the people lived on the banks, well below the rim. It is a truly linear country. One river, one road, one train line and everyone lives along it.
But in that hot humid world, things grew. The nile is the only source of water. 37C in the valley it was above 60C on the desert above and Egypt was safe from invaders with 0 humidity in the desert. Take water to drink if you leave the valley. You will need it or be mummified quickly.
So when the Nile flooded everything and receded, the banks were covered in thick black silt, all lost. So they had to return every year to farm and recover their lives. And find what piece of mud was theirs, which made them expert in measurement and surveying.
What I found amazing around every temple like Karnak was the mud brick wall surrounding the site. This unrecognized, not pretty brown wall protected the monument from the floods and I believe hydraulics allowed them to build 15 metre columns with rafts and circles of stone. In the spring the people would close off the rather ugly mud brick perimeter wall and flee to higher ground, leaving the beautiful temples safe in gigantic rectangular holes in the river. All quite amazing engineering. The walls were closed every year to protect the temples until the Romans came and neglected, the temples were flooded, stripping the brilliant paint until only a little on the roof remains. The big tombs are in the high ground on the West side in scorching heat.
However when the British arrived, they built a dam. Of course. Life changed completely. It stopped the floods but stored only a year’s water. But it changed life for 80 million people and the entire cycle of the seasons. How the ecologists would have howled.
Then Nasser built a dam for 11 years storage as Egypt, exactly like Australia, has a cycle of 11 years of which they have kept records for 1600 years. Unlike Tim Flannery, these were scientists, people who identified and solved water problems. Not prayed to Gaia. And move the entire Ramses II temple at Abu Simbel to higher ground, an amazing feat.
I noted to in India the beautiful step wells, extraordinary constructions like deep MC Escher patterns of stone cut in the ground, narrow steps which allowed women with jars on their heads to walk down to the water in the dry season, every year until the Monsoons came. The wells were the gift of the emperor. And very hard hot dangerous work for the women just to get water, a jug at a time.
The British arrived and installed a village pump and obsoleted the step wells in one move. And these days the tour guides do not bother to take you to these wonders of useful and extraordinary architecture. Many have vanished. They exist in the big cities too, but you have to ask.
Now we are not allowed to build anything or improve anything. Engineering is not allowed to solve problems, especially water problems. It’s easier to blame the government or Climate Change. There is always a precious frog and mandated ecological flows even in a long drought. And if there is no frog, one will be imported.
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‘Imagine what the ABC could do for Australia if it had a billion dollars and access to the internet?’
What a ‘killer’ sentence! Love it. From one often accused of being too socially ascerbic, I can only say: Well said Jo!
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Melbourne CBD in 1972
https://www.museumoflost.com/great-melbourne-flood/
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RobB Thx.’
I have sent your link to a journalist who might remember this
and appreciate the irony… Gotta keep the past from disappearing
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From the link: “The Melbourne Files”
I wonder how agent Mulder and Scully of The X Files would handle the situation.
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But it’s unfair to compare it to previous floods.
The water is different – it’s climate change water.
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I am throwing tomato soup on that comment, and gluing an unspecified part of my anatomy to it, with which I first gave it a green thumb.
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This year, the water was more carbonated and ‘bubbly’ than floods of the past.
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Archimedes principal and all that…
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Whats is the ABC’s definition of “uncommon”? In my lifetime I have seen floods in Victoria in my region is 1974, 2011, 2022. There may well have been others between 74 and 2011, but I’m only focusing on the ones I recall. Is three major floods in ~50 years uncommon? So I guess bush fires in Victoria are also uncommon using the above ABC logic and the bush fire data would confirm this?
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here is some flood markers from south australia in 1956
1956 floods were result of rain everywhere on qld and nsw and victoria but it was late heavy rain in victoria that tipped sa over the edge for 5 metres over normal
we will know in 2 months if this is record breaking event or not
https://visitmannum.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Flood-levels.jpg
https://jimandjamie.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/13D05E04-4D42-4C68-8F06-5C032AAD9693-1152×1536.jpeg
https://assets.atdw-online.com.au/images/f2ed7242b4bd4b4e1cf90d3b93d4d029.jpeg?rect=0%2C1296%2C3456%2C2592&w=2048&h=1536&rot=360&q=eyJ0eXBlIjoibGlzdGluZyIsImxpc3RpbmdJZCI6IjVjZmYzMTIzYTFlYjViZjA0OWYzYjY0MiIsImRpc3RyaWJ1dG9ySWQiOiI1NmIxZWI5NDQ0ZmVjYTNkZjJlMzIyMTMiLCJhcGlrZXlJZCI6IjU2YjFmNjNmMGNmMjEzYWQyMGRlZGVlOSJ9
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Keep your eye on the capacity of Lake Hume , I can see them opening the flood gates and having to dump huge volumes of water .
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Whilst you’ve highlighted 1870s , anyone who’s over about 10 years old will have recollections of flooding that in intensity has matched what occurred last week. About 30 years ago I remember driving around the Murray region after serious flooding and 60 years ago I remember St Kevin’s and Scotch College being pretty much underwater.
I think for the general public the claims of unprecedented being used to described common occurrences is growing tiresome.
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It’s surprising that people so much younger than some of us here, so proficient and addicted to their computers of all sorts, can still be unquestioningly hoodwinked into believing all the climate nonsense and everything else that passes for historic events these days. They have so much information which we had to try to inflict on our brains as memory, available at the push of a button, yet they seem to have no independent interest that’s needed to stop one from being so easily lead.
So many conundrums! One would think that a basic matter in teaching our youngest would be to use the information systems available and research the accuracy of what they are being compelled to believe as fact.
It is apparent this won’t happen because it seems the bulk of those teaching things as matters of fact on contentious issues these days don’t actually check such matters for themselves and become the means of grounding our very youngest in these beliefs that brook no actual scientific debate.
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It’s mainly because they live on ‘unsocial’ media and p in each others pockets.
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Over the next few years there should be a break in climate change propaganda, starting with an awareness that global warming has stopped yet again, its not in the script.
The masses are sensitive to a change in the weather and will vent their spleen on social media, then picked up by the MSM and politicians.
Education might take time to adjust, but eventually AGW will be out the window. In this new Renaissance high school students discuss natural variables, comedy returns and the climate high priests are mocked.
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Cracker of a blog that one!
Tony Heller recently had a clip from an 1800s newspaper – Aussie I think – saying how people always freak out about climate, that doom is coming. Puts the spotlight on how typical today’s alarmists are, same people, same club, same stupidity.
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[…] by Jo Nova […]
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If I go to the site:
https://www.worldmap.net
I notice that there is more water in the southern hemisphere than in the northern hemisphere.
The heat remains the same in the equator and little variation in the North and South Tropics.
Now if I look at the sea currents, I see that it is warmer in the southern hemisphere than in the north. Include the spring and fall season when the temperatures are equal.
Why this entry is important: because there is the Gulf-Stream which carries these degrees. (We know that apart from the sun (12 hours a day) magma has no time! It heats up 24 hours a day!).
So we have to look at the impact on the airways.
Note that the human presence (+ industries) has NO impact on the planetary climate!
Heat = Evaporation = Rain
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Judging by the rest of the article, it IS uncommon. At least they didn’t claim it is “unprecedented.”
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To clarify my comment, the big rains seem to come about every 25 years. Still not what I’d call “common.”
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But that was then and this is now where we now know all of this is caused by Climate Change™ and Donald Trump!
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Coincidentally, I am doing my family tree and received an Ancestry hint to trove and newspapers.com for an ancestor who drowned in those 1870 floods near Tocumwal, NSW. He slipped on the loose bank in the dark and the police said they could find no footprints coming back out of the fast moving water. His body washed up under a bridge 16 days later.
Bloody climate change!
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Don’t be deceived by the headline, Weatherzone’s knowledge of history only goes back to the late 20th century.
https://www.weatherzone.com.au/news/how-historically-significant-is-victorias-flooding/875160
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