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Progressive Parties are the party of the Rich

The faith in Wind Power. It's like a religion.The Great Realignment in politics has been coming a long time but it is now starkly lined up as a Class War in most of The Western World, just that quite a lot of voters don’t know it yet, and they are ripe for flipping.

In Australia the tables were turned on a hundred years of history. The poorer half of the country voted for the conservatives, the richer half for the Labor Party, and the Richest of the Rich voted for the Teal-High-Fashion-Parade — the Gucci-Prada of Political Parties — the ones offering the Gold Plated Global Bragging Points!

I have a Platinium Frequent Flyer Card and I’m so Rich I Vote To Save The World!

People in Labor seats earned $8,000 a year more than people in Liberal electorates, but the Green-independents earnt $27,000 more. That’s not something they probably want people to hear.

Reversal of fortune: Labor electorates earn more than Coalition seats

Aaron Patrick  Senior correspondent, Australian Financial Review

Households in Labor electorates now earn $8580 more a year than those in Coalition seats – a shift that could have profound effects on politics.

Labor and the Liberals changed places at the 2022 election. At $118,880 a year, households in Liberal seats now earn 2.6 per cent, or $3140 a year, less than Labor-seat dwellers on $122,020. And residents of Greens and independent-held seats are even wealthier. Their average household income last year was $145,690.

The income data may help explain why both main parties are behaving in ways contrary to their historical allegiances. The Labor Party has promised to subsidise childcare for families earning $500,000, and new Liberal leader Peter Dutton has acknowledged his party’s relationship with big business is breaking down.

“The Liberal Party is becoming Labor and Labor is becoming the Liberal Party,” an investment banker who lives in the Sydney seat of Wentworth said this week. “I’ve voted Liberal most of my life. Now I find myself reconsidering.”

The voting-income effects were seen across the metropolitan sprawls. Today, of the 15 highest-earning electorates, seven are held by independents, five by the Labor Party and three by the Coalition (Bradfield, Berowra and Mitchell.) While six Liberal MPs fell to “teal” independents, three of the poorest five electorates swung right.

Years ago when the free market and competition was a bigger part of the economy the wealthier people voted Right, or Conservative, while the workers voted Left. But now the government is the biggest corporation in the country (in all our countries), so it’s the biggest buyer, biggest employer and it decides all the rules as well. So the wealth and the votes has shifted from the fans of the Free Market to the fans of Big Government.

High Fashion isn’t a foundation for a long lived political force. The conservatives can shatter the illusion if they mark the neo-Greens as the rich social climbers who don’t give a damn about the poor or the environment. Then tag the Labor Party as the Party that serves the Bankers and Big Corporates. Notice where the money is and follow the trail. If the conservatives speak the Truth and for The People they will easily win.

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    PeterS

    The conservatives stopped speaking the truth ever since Turnbull entered the political arena, who very close the rich elite being talked about there. In fact he is one of them. So, the conservatives have also been “bought” by the rich just as the ALP have been. The only question is have the Greens also been “bought” by the rich. It would not surprise me if they have. It will require almost a Churchillian person to turn any of them around, not the least the conservatives. That’s why we needed to break away from the majors and give more support to the minor parties who stood against climate change zealots. The same need will apply if none of them turn around by the time we have the next election. It’s up to the people to wake up, think and decide. It’s that simple but it’s far from easy.

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      davefromweewaa

      The coalition should forget about the rich seats. The ‘Burbs and the Bush is now their heartland, all they have to do is stop sucking up to the planet savers and woke wreckers. It is only the gullible and the cynical who clamor for so called climate action and they live in the teal and green seats. Climate actions present and proposed plunder the productive and impoverish the poor. It steals from Parkes,Penrith and Parramatta but pays off big time in Point Piper!
      Pleasing these gullible city slickers only harms the rest of us. As the great Ronald Reagan said “you’ve got to dance with the one that brung you!”

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      Bruce

      The “rot” was evident LONG before that incident.

      Think: Arch-Patrician Malcolm Fraser and “Jackboot Johnnie”, and that is just at Feral level.

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      Dennis

      They effectively split, the Liberals In Name Only Turnbull faction (also call themselves the Black hand) and the Abbott original Liberal Party of Australia side, centre right.

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      ” The conservatives stopped speaking the truth ever since Turnbull entered the political arena ” …..

      Well that’s not true . The old money Malcolm Fraser morphed into a bulls****g de facto Green left windbag. Peter S [ whose broken prose reads like a 50 cent troll ] knows the Greens are a party of the rich , notably wealthy, inner city professional classes and retired public servants with too much time on their hands looking for meaning in their lives There is no ‘question’ they have multi millionaires sponsoring and running as candidates for them ..Julian Burnside , Graeme Wood, Duncan Turpie , the CFMEU .. Why not propose a ” billionaires tax ” knowing you will never form majority government beholden to your promises whilst not alienating the multi millionaires the Greens are dependent on eh Adam Bandt ? Gosh even the rich,superannuated Richard di Natale has a splendid Otway’s dacha and an inner city terrace that allowed him and his wife to pay their nannies a pittance .So ,the real question is : why is Peter S posing a ‘question ‘ he knows the answer to and deflecting to ” the conservatives’ ?

      [Indeed Stuart. I have asked PeterS to stop repeating the litany of “vote out the majors”. While I agree with it during an election, there are many other ways to be politically influential and we need to move on to those now. We’re in an Information War. Shore up lines of communication. Distill the messages that cut through. Build the grassroots. Redpill the people. – Jo]

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        “Vote out the majors” and cleave the vote to advantage Labor in Australia’s preferential voting system …

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        kraka

        Hang on-shore up the communication-just speaking the truth these days and nominally sane people are suddenly want to call anyone and everyone, including friends, a conspiracy theorist for daring to suggest humans aren’t the main driver of the temperature and covid 19 was a standard flu whose fatality rate was only slightly worse than usual. Hard to communicate when the majority of smart people are so easily conned.

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    James Murphy

    It’s been fairly evident that a lot of inner city people vote Green/Labor because they can afford to throw money at the government and see it wasted on buying votes. They often don’t appear to understand that a whole world exists past the inner suburbs, and that employment is tenuous for a lot of people not in the public service or backed by what passes for a strong union these days.
    I’m not suggesting that people should always live in fear of losing their job, but I think there is a balance somewhere between those who are essentially un-fireable, and those who wonder if they will still have a job the next day, week, or month.

    No doubt others will disagree, but I really don’t understand why childcare should be subsidised for anyone except those who genuinely need help.

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      GlenM

      They don’t want freedom nor do they understand it. For Green/ Left total control by government is what they wish. Sort of tribal communalism that is hardwired into the majority of humans( and certain animals). Free health-care has been a big issue for them and they certainly don’t want it means tested.

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    David Maddison

    Part of the reason is that the super rich benefit from Government interference and suppression of free market forces, for example forcing people to buy a fundamentally defective and useless product like “green” energy which makes Elitists very wealthy but impoverishes everyone else. Or benefiting Big Pharma by forcing people to take poorly tested and possibly dangerous covid “vaccines” and prohibited the use of known safe and effective antivirals.

    Another strategy is that in the fiefdom of Vicdanistan, Dictator Dan has deliberately made vast numbers of people employees of the state as overpaid and underworked public serpents and has also highly politicised and militarised the police force as his own private army to enforce his decrees (since it us illegal for States to raise their own armies). In addition he favours unions and Chinese-owned corporations for huge over-priced projects and unionists are massively paid. E.g. construction workers on the Westgate Tunnel Project get paid $300,000 per year (reference below).

    https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/west-gate-tunnel-workers-reach-pay-deal-300k-a-year-20210610-p57zu8.html

    THe “poor” voting conservative is also a similar pattern that was first seen when President Trump was elected. Traditional “working class” voted for Trump. Leftist Elitists voted for the DemocRATs.

    Of course, in Australia at the last Federal election we had the problem that the alternative mainstream party, the Liberals, a supposed conservative party was not conservative at all, but had moved far to the Left into territory traditionally occupied by Green Labor forcing them even further to the Left.

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      Harves

      In addition he favours unions and Chinese-owned corporations for huge over-priced projects and unionists are massively paid. E.g. construction workers on the Westgate Tunnel Project get paid $300,000 per year.

      Qld state Govt did a similar deal with the unions so even the lowest paid ‘s**t kicker’ on the ‘One William St’ project earns $120,000. And people wonder why you can’t get a tradie, and why businesses can’t get apprentices.

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      Ronin

      Labor hasn’t been ‘labor’ since Gough got in.

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        Deano

        Indeed I remember many older people in the 70’s claiming the Labor Party “used to be a good party”. But after Whitlam they wouldn’t touch Labor again.

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    frederik wisse

    The conservatives are the only hope for the underpriviliged in our society . The left and the greens , previously known under the label communists have been highjacked by the neocon neofeudal elites propagating centralised control and using fascist operative tactics to maintain their power and to disfranchise the masses . Its most outspoken representative Klaus Schwab of the WEF emphasized already a long time ago : You will own nothing and you will be happy . Meaning the the elite is planning to rob the rest of the population of its rights and properties and to keep them as slaves in the future . Well your conservatieven should pressure the electorale not to give in to this utter madness .

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    David Maddison

    To put things in a more global perspective and see how everything fits together YouTuber Black Pigeon Speaks talks about the Global Public Private Partnership in the following 6 min video.

    https://youtu.be/r0hnUjA5WHU

    He talks about the hierarchy of:

    Policy makers e.g. WEF, CFR
    Policy distributers e.g. UN, Gates Foundation, IPCC
    Policy enforcers e.g. police, courts, public service
    Policy propagandists e.g. “fact checkers”, social media, MSM
    At the bottom, Policy subjects i.e. most of us.

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    Peter Fitzroy

    Is the difference between Labor and Liberal electorates statically significant?

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      b.nice

      Look at the data, PF.

      “Households in Labor electorates now earn $8580 more a year than those in Coalition seats”

      Try to comprehend basic numbers if you can.

      And do you really think $27K difference between Liberal voters and Teals/Greens isn’t significant ! Wow. !

      And undoubtedly, you class yourself as one of those Teal/Green elites… right !

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        Ian

        “Householdsolds in Labor electorates now earn $8580 more a year than those in Coalition seats”

        That is true. AlP average is $122,020 the Coalition average $113,840. But that doesn’t address the fact that that figure includes the Nationals who as the majority are in rural and regional seats, have a much lower average income,$99,150 which drags down the average.

        Comparing ALP $122,020 with Liberals $118,880 the differenc0 is significantly less.

        The movement Left is considered by Sarah Cameron, a Sydney University political scientist due to two big changes in Australian society, younger voters are more left-wing today than in earlier generations, and women have become much less likely to vote for the Coalition,” she says.

        It is also due to a move Left by the better educated and more wealthy

        ““The Liberal Party is becoming Labor and Labor is becoming the Liberal Party,” an investment banker who lives in the Sydney seat of Wentworth said this week. “I’ve voted Liberal most of my life. Now I find myself reconsidering.”
        Wealthy Australians, especially those who send their children to private schools, are detaching themselves from the party that had, until a few years ago, made financial rectitude and lower taxes its primary mission.

        Whatever it so good to see the back of Morrison and his ineffectual government and hopefully the Conservative element of the LNP will move to PHON and UAP which will encourage moderate liberals to return

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          DLK

          detaching themselves from the party that had, until a few years ago, made financial rectitude and lower taxes its primary mission.

          to vote for the teal-green alp axis spendathon? curious.

          which will encourage moderate liberals to return

          morrison and co are ‘moderate liberals’

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          Peter Fitzroy

          i would have like to see the mode, median and standard deviation as well as the average (mean).

          For example, youde modal class might be 90K, but you have a few on 300K, which will skew the average.

          That is why you would also want to look at the median, which is a better indicator for this sort of data.

          Finally a 2-3% difference with a large standard deviation in the electorates will not be statistically significant.

          Just talking about the average will not give you the full picture.

          (which might have been the intention of the source article for this post)

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            b.nice

            LOL, you can make up anything to sate your guilt.

            Anyone that doesn’t realise that Teal Green seats are the wealthiest in each city is either blind or exceedingly naive. !

            Why are you so trying to protect the Labor image, when it is obviously backed by wealthy inner city elitists. !

            Is it embarrassment ?

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            Look at Peter Fitzroy’s pretentious ‘ baffle – babble’ : ” I would have like[ sic] to see the mode median and standard deviation….for example youde [ sic] modal class might be 90k but you have ….Finally a 2-3% difference with a large standard deviation ……”] There is Peter concerned with Labor and the Liberal’s electorates ..Nothing to say about the uber rich Greens and the Teal Independents …..That’s ok Peter – just remember Castro’s family was in the $930 million range . The Ceausescu family were insanely rich ; Chavez and his daughter were billionaires Of course Lenin was a rich flamboyant kleptocrat who cruised around in a fleet of Rolls Royce sedans …..
            .Peter seems annoyed by the fact progressive parties – like the red princes and princesses in the Chinese Communist Party – are the nouveau aristocratic rich and it drives him nuts

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            Kalm Keith

            “i would have like to see the mode, median and standard deviation as well as the average (mean).”

            Before or after homogenization?

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          Old Cocky

          Thanks for the additional breakdown of the average household incomes. More information usually sheds additional light on a situation.

          To answer Peter’s question, that probably is statistically significant in the narrowest sense, but they are sufficiently close that it’s a distinction which makes no difference.

          A more useful metric is disposable income, which may reduce the skew between urban and rural electorates, at least prior to housing cost increases in rural areas and increased fuel costs.

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          wal1957

          It is also due to a move Left by the better educated and more wealthy

          Not better educated…..indoctrinated is a better description.
          I also find it strange that some of these “better educated” individuals believe that men can get pregnant. I have yet to meet anybody who knows of a pregnant male.
          Weird huh? /sarc

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            robert rosicka

            Yes that stood out Wal1957 but for once Ian has actually made a comment I agree with – mostly.

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          David Maddison

          There is no such science as “political science”.

          https://trace.tennessee.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1109&context=catalyst

          The purpose of this short essay is to highlight the failures in contemporary Political Science by sketching a small model of what the discipline would look like if it were in fact a “discipline” driven by scientific questions and methods responsive to public benefit rather than to indoctrination and control. Rather than simply accept, on faith, the “expert” assurances of quality, or the subject labels or claims of “inclusiveness” and “representation”, this essay offers some questions and alternatives that the educated public can use to hold the discipline to its mission and to assure that it is not simply serving itself and power.

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          b.nice

          Why is it that far-leftists like Ian, think that the major parties should all be left of center.

          Sorry, but that give rational people no-one to vote for.

          The term “moderate”, as a Liberal, means agreeing with leftist policies.. no thanks. !

          Fortunately quite a few of the leftist woke moderates lost there seats to money-backed Teal socialites.

          If The Liberals can rid themselves of the rest of the “moderates”, (aka leftist LINOs), in their ranks, replace them with conservative pragmatic realists, they stand a better chance next election.

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            DLK

            Why is it that far-leftists like Ian, think that the major parties should all be left of center[?]

            Sorry, but that give rational people no-one to vote for.

            think you just answered your own question.

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          b.nice

          ” a move Left by the better educated and more wealthy”

          As they struggle for wokeness and virtue-seeking, while driving in their big SUVs, and living in 6 bedroom mansions.

          The fakery and self-delusion is getting stronger and stronger, that is what Ian is telling us.

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          Harves

          That is true. AlP average is $122,020 the Coalition average $113,840. But that doesn’t address the fact that that figure includes the Nationals who as the majority are in rural and regional seats, have a much lower average income,$99,150 which drags down the average.

          Fancy those lazy good for nothing primary producers dragging down the average, eh Ian. Do you suggest we just ignore them (like Labor and the Greens do) and only include high income earners in the statistics? Typical elitist!!

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            Philby

            Maybe it would be more relevant to talk about assets rather than incomes as incomes can be manipulated as we all know.

            We may well talk of a farmer whose declared income is almost nil but sits on an asset base of multi millions .
            Looking at the assets of voters in an electorate would give a much better picture.

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          Tel

          The Liberal Party is becoming Labor and Labor is becoming the Liberal Party.

          There isn’t a whole lot of difference between the two major parties in Australia … but the ALP has never, ever been the party of labour (despite what the name suggests) it is the party of unionised labour … and for the most part that means union bosses, and people with a big government mindset.

          In recent times the ALP has also been the party of handouts for the non working.

          There’s vast amounts of non-union labour in small business and independent contractors and other casual employees who get nothing out of the ALP.

          The Liberal Party in Australia, for better or worse has become the corporatist party and also has decided that small business means nothing to them. They might give a hint here and there as if perhaps they would make life easier for the independent contractor but deep down they are owned by the corporations … a different type of big government but it’s only a matter of how the spoils are distributed.

          This part has not changed.

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    RobB

    Its chardonnay socialism. The upper middle class has always felt guilty about being rich so has to vitrue signal by caring about the working class, environment, land rights for gay whales etc. The definition of wokeism.

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      b.nice

      “by caring about the working class, environment, land rights for gay whales etc. “

      But they DON’T care.. it all just a facade, a pretense. !

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    Robber

    According to ABS, there were 2,100,800 public sector employees at the end of June 2021 comprising:
    247,600 employees in Commonwealth government;
    1,662,400 in state government; and
    190,800 in local government.
    Then add on all the consultants, contractors, suppliers and all those dependent on government handouts and you have a substantial proportion of the 18 million eligible voters.

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      David Maddison

      Yes, particularly in Vicdanistan.

      Australia now has far more net wealth consumers than net wealth producers.

      Australia is also utterly devoid of suitable leaders in parties with any possibility of governing.

      Assuming rational thinkers I.e. conservatives and Libertarians remain apathetic or powerless, there is essentially nothing much that can be done now except to prepare yourself for the inevitable decline. Look to Venezuela for where Australia will be in 5 to 10 years.

      A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.

      Misattributed to Alexander Fraser Tytler.

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        Old Goat

        David,
        Spot on. Self interest rules humanity – all living things have two main imperatives , reproduction and survival . It is ironic that in a time of abundance we as a species are adopting strategies that are counter survival . The turkeys are voting for christmas….

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        KP

        So, this is where NZ would have been if Libertarians didn’t infiltrate the Labor Party in the ’80s. It seems that’s the only way to break the cycle of “Right-wing Govts until they get so arrogant they get thrown out for left-wing Govts that last a term and wreck the country, to be replaced by Right-wing Govts that have moved Left.”

        It took Labor over 20years to claw their way back into power, & those 20 glorious years were when NZ boomed. Now, its just the typical moribund swamp of any Left-wing country.

        Unless the Coalition can move far to the Right of where they are, in terms of freedom & small Govt, not Fascism, they are doomed to trail behind Labor. They have nothing different to offer.

        “Australia now has far more net wealth consumers than net wealth producers.” This is the fate of any welfare State, we end up consuming the capital built up by our forefathers. When there is no industry making things, the only industry is Govt.

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          Ronin

          Canberra is a company town, the biggest in Australia by far, so what do they produce ?, well I hear it’s great for roses.

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      Ross

      There was that time when Joe Hockey was treasurer. A line was crossed when more than 50% of Australian households were receiving some form of government assistance. It wasn’t Joe’s fault, that gradual progression had been occurring for a long time. Throw in those also on government wages and you have a majority of households almost dependent on government. Most of that demographic also liked COVID lockdowns, WFH and all the other restrictions. What did they care? Their wage or pension wasn’t affected. Some would even say their life improved under lockdowns.

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        b.nice

        “Some would even say their life improved under lockdowns.”

        Then they ought to impose those lockdowns on themselves, permanently.

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    Jack01

    Progressive parties like the Greens are good for the rich inner-city progressives who want to feel like they’re “part of the solution”, but don’t actually put any effort into what they stand for. Their only “effort” is that they voted for action on climate change and all that leftist nonsense and that makes them feel great. Then in reality they are the first to turn on the AC when temps get above 25°C.

    With the rich progressives, there’s no real toil or sweat to achieve anything. It’s all useless virtue signalling.

    Unfortunately they ruin it for the rest of us when they vote these idiots in because when power prices and cost of living soars, the non-elites are the ones that suffer.

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      b.nice

      Bizarre isn’t it. The Teals/Greens are rich inner city progressives, but they got there because of the capitalist system.

      Now they want to destroy that same capitalist system.

      The cognitive malfunctioning is writ large. !

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        Jack01

        And when, IF, they realize their mistake, it will be too late.

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        Ronin

        As someone said previously, the turkeys are voting for Christmas.

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        James Murphy

        the Teals are just puppets, They are bought and paid for by millionaires who will not be negatively affected by crippling Australias economy. I strongly doubt any of these candidates or now elected people believe what they campaigned for, except that they hate the LNP. Individually, they may do well thanks to the lavish perks of being an MP, the media support, and access to power, but they are still just useful idiots.

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    Neville

    Another good summary Jo and all of this also fits the biggest con merchant’s takeover of their so called science of Climate change.
    Amazing how this ultra rubbery house of cards can easily be dismantled by simply referring to the known scientific data,yet the elite con merchants still persist. And they can even change the voting patterns in a number of inner city electorates although we know the data proves we can do nothing to change the climate.
    Of course we also know that the data proves we are living in the best of times and are healthier, wealthier and safer today and even an improvement compared to recent decades.
    But these extremists and con merchants won’t be happy until they wreck our electricity grids and force the poor, the vulnerable and elderly to accept a much lower standard of living.

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    yarpos

    There’s a long established model (oh yes, another model) of human behaviour that basically says, as you get wealthier and more comfortable and all your other needs are met, you set about doing things that make you feel good about yourself and make you feel you have value.

    Some do it with real philantrophy , others preach causes and want save the world. The trend in the article is to be expected these people have the time and the money do other things. It just a pity they dont do anything useful.

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      Leo G

      There’s a long established model … of human behaviour that basically says, as … all your other needs are met, you set about doing things that make you feel good about yourself and make you feel you have value.

      The model often used in psychology is Abraham Maslow’s “hierarchy of needs”.

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      Deano

      Worrying about offending women by referring to them as “women” is something only wealthy countries in peacetime can do. For instance: I don’t think it’s high on the agenda in Ukraine right now.

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        James Murphy

        There was certainly no outcry at the policy of allowing women to leave the country, while stopping fighting age male citizens from leaving… funny that!

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    David Maddison

    Unlike a vast majority of Leftists I actually volunteer to help various underprivileged people in various ways.

    One thing that is particularly noticeable at the moment, but your average wealthy and comfortable (and warm!) Green Labor Teal acolyte would be unaware of in places like Melbournistan in winter, is the misery poorer people have to live in due to cold houses due to their inability to afford electricity or gas for heating. It is even worse when children are involved and makes it difficult to focus on homework and other activities.

    Free enterprise made inexpensive and reliable energy available for all, everyone was warm and comfortable before the Left deliberately sabotaged the electrical grid and energy supply in general.

    And the more unreliables that are installed, the WORSE it gets because a fundamental law of unreliable “green” energy is that the more you have, the more expensive it is for the consumer.

    The Left, as a whole, are an evil and destructive force upon all humanity.

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      Mike Jonas

      the Left deliberately sabotaged the electrical grid and energy supply in general“. Nonsense. There is no such thing as an “electrical grid”, it is a figment of your imagination. You can put a socket in the wall anywhere you like, and electricity will come out of it. It’s that simple. Just like the water that comes out of the places where you put taps, and the stuff on the shelves in shops which refreshes itself when you buy some of it.

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    DLK

    covert the parks and beaches in teal and green electorates to windfarms.

    then they can finally feel that they are ‘doing something’ to stop klimate khange.

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    Neville

    At least some groups are starting to fight back against the devastating environmental and personal harm from their so called renewables.
    What a pity these TOXIC, environmental disasters couldn’t be installed in Kooyong or Warringah etc?

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/06/03/defrock-wind-litigation-central-in-australia-global-insight-provided/

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    Binny Pegler

    One of the issues is the payee tax system, people never see the tax they pay, and so never really think about it. In fact the tax office tends to ‘over collect’ (from the employer) and then give a little back (to the employee) at the end of the year. It creates the illusion of the government actually giving something away.

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      KP

      Yes, the pay-as-you-earn system was a massive breakthrough for Govts in robbing the working class. In the USA they still sign a cheque for Federal taxes I think, something that makes it noticeable.

      We would all be better off if we were presented a bill on June 30th saying “Please pay $30,000 by July 31st, signed, your Govt.” Hmm.. I think that’s about what we owe in Govt borrowings actually!

      As it is, only small businesses have any idea of how much tax they pay, and they are happily crushed out for big corporations.

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      b.nice

      ?? I look at my payslip every fortnight. The tax is clearly listed.

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    David Maddison

    Incidentally, if Leftists ever become aware of the consequences of their actions, never let them say “We/I didn’t know”. It is impossible not to know. Ignorance is a deliberate choice and they must bear the consequences for it.

    I will never forget or forgive them for what they have done to our civilisation.

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      Old Goat

      David,
      Latest favourite quote: You can ignore reality , but you cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality. I am working on pointing out reality to my kids but its an uphill battle . The woke runs deep and ideology is appealing to the young . Sometimes its a case of “bang head here” .

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    Michael

    It is well known that people have a hierarchy of needs and that affluence changes that hierarchy. At the poverty end, the top of the hierarchy is financial security, a home, food, transport etc and good financial management is key to that. But as affluence rises these needs are taken for granted and others rise to the top of the pile. Concern over good financial management is replaced by environmental goals, population pressures other “causes such as AGW” and an extreme focus on the perceived “rights” of minorities. Things that labour with an historical focus on the underdog was strong on. Trouble is of course that while financial security is extremely concrete, tangible and objective, these new priorities are very subjective and easy to manipulate. But, things taken for granted have a way of coming back to bite one.

    Affluence has been rising very rapidly in western societies at least partly driven by apparently cheap goods from developing nations such as China. What is often overlooked is that we have significantly paid for these goods by giving away decades worth of very expensive technical development and expertise while allowing our own manufacturing to decay and this cost is now coming back to bite us.

    I suspect some of these affluent people are about to get a rude shock, although unfortunately things will be far worse for the less affluent. No, inflation will not hurt the rich much, they have more than enough money to cope, but losing their highly paid jobs will. And I suspect that will start to happen as the money to pay for such jobs dries up. How does the saying go, sooner or later one runs out of other peoples money. I suspect that our society is about to learn the hard way that abandoning our traditional sources of wealth while adopting scams such as AGW and woke culture have a rather bitter cost. Thinking we are so affluent that can indulge in mad scams without consequences, is a good way to lose that economic security.

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    Lawrie

    If the Coalition are smart enough to ditch the Net Zero rubbish (doubtful with Susan Ley and Littleproud in leadership positions) they can really capitalise on the coming electricity disaster by showing how the poor are subsidizing the rich Labor and Green voters. It does not matter if the ALP raise pensions because power prices will still take it from other basics all of which will rise thanks to stupid laws by the uncaring government. Now they want Coles to ditch the 15 cent bag because Geoff Angel says it is not reusable. What a fool. He obviously does not shop where I do because people reuse those bags many times over.

    A new slogan for the Coalition, four words unfortunately “the rich don’t care”.

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    OldOzzie

    Speaking about Grifters Mrs & Mr Markle booed.

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    David Maddison

    Most Leftist ideology would be impossible without Doublethink:

    Doublethink: the act of simultaneously accepting two mutually contradictory beliefs as correct. According to Winston Smith, the protagonist of 1984, doublethink is “To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again, and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself—that was the ultimate subtlety: consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed. Even to understand the word—doublethink—involved the use of doublethink.” Four examples of doublethink used throughout 1984 include the slogans: War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength, and 2 + 2 = 5.

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      Climate doublethink – brought to you by the disgraceful ,yet to be amended Australian Psychological Society agitprop article ” Climate Change Communication’ :

      ” Inspire positive visions . Let people know that we already have concrete, plausible solutions which can drastically reduce carbon emissions and counter feelings of helplessness .People listen better to optimistic messages .Doom messages can backfire because people switch off ”

      “Make climate change here ,now and for sure . Bring climate impacts close to home to show people that climate change is relevant to them ,and it threatens their health ,families communities jobs or other things they deeply care about it ”

      ” Inspire positive visions ….Doom messages can backfire” is followed by the encouragement of climate doom messaging previously disavowed : ” Bring climate impacts close to home to show people that climate change….threatens their health families .communities ,jobs ”

      Now either the Australian Psychological Society are risibly stupid or the Orwellian doublethink is a purposeful indoctrination ploy which suggests the APS are corrupt and unethical. Nowhere in that article is there any consideration or discussion of the veracity of the scientific evidence, and remember, this a field seriously compromised by a research replication crisis. The debunked “97% of scientists” consensus fraud is repeated uncritically as if it were still legitimate. Then again the DSM definition of ‘delusional disorder’ embedded the very same Appeal to Consensus logical fallacy in the diagnostic wording [ ” what almost everyone else believes “] so why would the Australian Psychological Society acknowledge they have a credibility problem ? In a nutshell this is junk psychology pseudoscience promoting pseudoscience., Read the comments thread under the Watts Up With That critique . One wit remarked that it would appear the APS have ripped a page from Saul Alinsky’s Rules For Radicals ” Another commentator ridiculed the APS as the ‘Goebells Gang” https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/02/14/tips-for-psychologists-on-how-to-spread-climate-propaganda/

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    Honk R Smith

    You realize Progressives will say, “what do you mean we’re against the poor, we want to give them money” (UBI).
    By taxing work.

    There is a political philosopher that wrote book about how power structures form by creating a middle class, age, become corrupt, and seek to survive by turning on the middle class in service of the poor.
    Name escapes me … Jouvell … something.
    Couldn’t get the spelling for a search.

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      Honk R Smith

      Might of first read about it here. I get most of my stuff from here. 🙂

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      David Maddison

      I have never understood why it is “greed” to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else’s money.

      Thomas Sowell, Barbarians inside the Gates and Other Controversial Essays

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      Harves

      Both conservatives and progressives care about the poor. Conservatives tend to support the poor with their own money, and by employing them in their own businesses. Progressives on the other hand live supporting the poor by voting for them to be given other people’s money.

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    OldOzzie

    The net-zero Dark Ages: Democrats’ war on the poor

    The Dark Ages were accompanied by darkness (obviously), cold, poverty, starvation, plague and depredation. The world became smaller and feudal. Infrastructure collapsed. Everyone suffered, but especially the poor. It’s pretty much what the Democrats are doing to America today.

    Let’s start with the “Dark New Deal.” The North American Electric Reliability Corporation (NERC), which is overseen by the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC), made clear a few days ago that Americans should prepare for unprecedented electric power failures and blackouts this year. A supposed 21st century, “advanced” country that cannot support the predictable energy needs of its nation? Now that is primitive and a colossal failure of government.

    The problem is obvious to everyone except the White House and Democratic state governments. Energy policies that precipitously shut down traditional energy sources and rush toward unreliable, unsupported “new” energy sources wreck our economy and society. Suddenly there were blackouts throughout California and the state was forced to import energy from neighboring states because of what the governor called “unreliable solar and wind power.” Yet the state continues to shut down nuclear and fossil fuel plants and rush toward “renewables.”

    At the same time, Sacramento pushes one of the most resource-rich and car-dependent states in the country to $7-a-gallon gasoline. The objective, of course, is to force people to stop using fossil fuel-powered cars and buy very expensive electric cars, or just walk or ride bikes, or not travel. The related objective, of course, is to force people to use electric power at home or simply to have hotter homes in the summer and colder homes in the winter. Variations of these plans are copied throughout the country.

    The problem is that these plans will never get America to a “net-zero emissions economy” — unless progressives really intend a “net-zero economy,” i.e., complete economic collapse.

    The central flaw is that progressives are far too impatient and are willfully ignorant of energy economics. For example, they fail to understand that fossil fuels and nuclear power are “nature’s batteries.” They store the vast amounts of energy that a modern industrial economy and society use, when and where they need it. Conversely, solar and wind are not batteries. They do not always produce energy when and where it’s needed, and they are far from producing enough energy to support America’s needs. And America lacks the batteries to store energy from solar and wind to access it when the sun’s not shining and the wind’s not blowing.

    Specifically, to achieve a net-zero economy that operated by today’s standards would require 90 quads of utility-level battery storage capacity — today America has around nine quads. To fully electrify the American economy would require doubling, dramatically upgrading, and “hardening” the electric grid. It requires simply ignoring the limited lifespan and environmental degradation from the mining and use of modern battery materials. And it will take a minimum of 30 years or more to solve these problems.

    In the meantime, “net-zero” politics leads to blackouts — net-zero light, net-zero heat, net-zero cooling, net-zero transportation to work or shopping, net-zero vacations, and huge spikes in energy prices. The Dark New Deal means a collapsing, net-zero economy.

    In addition, these ideas will destroy America’s national security but have no positive impact on the environment. China, Russia, Iran and North Korea will continue to burn coal and have no intention of going net-zero. We will — we do — beg our enemies for fossil fuels that we could produce ourselves. As America’s economy and ability to defend itself declines, our enemies’ will not. Our way of life may be destroyed long before we reach net-zero emissions.

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      KP

      Makes you realise Putin is doing it right! 80% support V Biden’s 35%.

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      Mike Jonas

      If a coal-fired power station breaks down or stops generating for any reason, it can be backed up by another coal-fired power station. Same for natgas, same for nuclear, same for any combination of the three. Try that with wind or solar. Oops, my bad – they already are trying it; when will they notice that it doesn’t work. [NB. There’s no “?” on that last question because it’s rhetorical – they never will because they will have moved on to something else.]

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      Tarquin+Wombat-Carruthers

      This could, and will, if we don’t change course, apply equally to Australia!

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    George

    The pattern of urbanisation in Australia also appears to be a factor in the election.

    I recently did a simple analysis using preliminary election results from the AEC, combined with electorate data from the ABS. Using population density as a measure of urbanisation, my results showed that the highest average population density was in electorates held (or expected to be held) by the Greens, Independents and the ALP, in that order.

    Electorates held by the Nationals had both the lowest average income and the second lowest population density (after Katter’s Australian Party).

    WRT income, my results showed that average income in Independent electorates is 75% higher than National seats, and average income in Green electorates is 68% higher than Nationals electorates.

    I guess the people who produce our food, cotton, wool, timber and minerals are not really valued as much as they were in the past.

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      Mike Jonas

      “I guess the people who produce our food, cotton, wool, timber and minerals are not really valued as much as they were in the past.”. Those people don’t exist. There is no mention of them in school textbooks, so they can’t exist. Food, cotton, wool, timber and minerals are just there when you want them. Actually, there might be some people like that in geography countries, but that’s not relevant to Australia.

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        Harves

        Food producers are bad for the environment. We need to import all our food so the emissions are recorded overseas and Australia looks more virtuous.

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    Philip

    This has been transitioning in society for some 20 years, since the 90s. I ran an environmental household service business and it ended up being a quasi study in demographics. The clients were not the the barefooted ratty hair crowd of King St Newtown, where we expected it to be, but it was in the eastern and northern suburbs, safe Liberal seats basically.

    It always shocked us. Glossy brochure environmentalism was catching on in these areas, and they had the money to enact it, unlike the far left green crowd. You’d get a few of those, and the left elites as well, a few politicians of that persuasion. But it was a strong liberal seat bias business appealing to a green ethic.

    The evolution continued to now where that market has voted in green non greens, and yes these people do “believe” in climate change. It’s the soft core of the right side of politics that ended up being the weakness. And I don’t think many predicted that. The rhetoric has always been about the lurking commies. But they came in the back door.

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      David Maddison

      I letterboxed for a pro-freedom party and was surprised to see the types of houses with posters for Labor and Greens. Mostly expensive houses (in an already expensive area) with often expensive non-environmentally vehicles in the driveway.

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        b.nice

        Why surprised ?

        That is who Greens and Teals are.

        Money, SUV’s and entitlement.

        Zero environmental credibility whatsoever.

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      Ross

      “environmental household service”- Jim’s Mowing??

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    OldOzzie

    Even at $3500 a night, Australia’s best ski chalets are booked out

    Dinner Plain’s Majella Lodge in Victoria costs $3500 a night in the peak ski months of July and August, but that hasn’t stopped the five-bedroom private chalet. which sleeps up to 12 people, booking out in record time.

    The same goes for Thredbo’s luxe two-bedroom (with self-contained loft) Rockpool Lodge in NSW, despite the peak-period price tag of $2909 a night.

    “After a couple of bad seasons due to COVID, we’re anticipating a bumper year, and we’re off to a strong start,” said Simmone Neumann, co-owner of Alpine-Getaways, which manages Majella along with 60 other rental properties in the upscale village of Dinner Plain, located 12 kilometres from Mount Hotham.

    A two-hour drive away at Fall’s Creek, the Astra – often billed as the most exclusive ski accommodation on offer in Australia, and owned by entrepreneurial Sydney-based couple Seumas Dawes and Rosy Seaton – has virtually sold out all 27 of its rooms for July-August at between $900 and $1500 a night, based on twin share.

    “We got a lot of frantic calls on Friday,” said Astra’s general manager, Shannon Exelby, adding there was now 40cm of fresh snow. Extensive man-made snow activity is also well underway, with perfect -2 degree temperatures for the past 10 days.

    “I’m encouraging people to call us direct as there are a few nights here and there still on offer,” Mr Exelby said. “I’d also urge people to take advantage of the early snow and cheaper nightly rates on offer for the month of June,” he said, adding most resorts, including Fall’s, will officially open on Saturday June 11.

    Perisher announced this week it will open early on June 4 due to all the snow.

    If you feel like your ski holiday cost more this year, you’re probably right: Search engine Kayak reports that Australian ski resort accommodation prices are up 17 per cent on average on 2019 levels.

    The week commencing Monday June 12 remains the cheapest option to book, with an average nightly rate of $383.

    Falls Creek recorded the biggest hike, with an average nightly stay rate of $706 over the season, 46 per cent up on 2019 prices; followed by Mount Hotham, with a 32 per cent increase for an $823 average nightly stay.

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      Sambar

      I have spent a vast number of nights snow camping with just a swag and tarp. What made this better than 5 star luxury was the company. Unpretentious friends, laughing family and no BS.

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      Philip

      the people at those ski lodges are the Zali crowd, the original teal.

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    David Maddison

    Morrison’s Prime Ministership was disastrous in numerous ways, not the least of which was his failure to remove us from the Paris Accords as Donald Trump did for his country.

    Only good happened for his country as a result.

    The only good thing that can be said about Morrison is that he was slightly less bad than Green Labor would have been.

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      Ross

      I once liked Morrison a lot. When he was minister of immigration and gave those press conferences, he was brilliant. Stopped those pesky boats as well. But I now know he had great support. Firstly, via Tony Abbott and then the defence personnel in Operation Sovereign Borders. Then he became treasurer and was not seen. Then PM where he was just a hollow man. There’s definitely a swamp in Canberra where, even if you have good intentions, they get lost in politics, public service dictates etc. I think it affects all PM’s , Labor or Liberal. It will be interesting what becomes of Albanese. From the outset it seems his ministers are going to be more front and centre. But, we already know most of them are Rudd/Gillard retreads, so it wont take long for the cracks to appear. Bowen, for instance, the bloke was a walking disaster. You cant tell me he’s changed much in 9 years. If anything he’s got worse.

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      Dennis

      The Paris Agreement was signed by the Turnbull Government and they later ratified that Agreement after President Trump announced that America would not sign it. Paris Conference late 2015, Agreement signed April 2016 and ratified November 2016.

      PM Morrison was not in that office until late in 2018.

      Unfortunately too few people blame without I believe thinking it through.

      Consider this one of many points: If the IPCC can influence multinational public companies to stop dealing with coal mines, coal fired power stations, etc., and our major allies US and UK favour Paris Agreement and net zero emissions, how could our PM and Cabinet refuse some cooperation, and that is what they offered at COP26.

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    Neville

    It’s interesting to check the personal swings against some Liberals in the seats of Warringah, Wentworth and Kooyong.
    In Warringah Catherine Deves had a swing against her of -5.41%, Dave Sharma in Wentworth a swing against him of -6.49% and Josh Frydenberg in Kooyong a swing against him of -6.41%.
    BTW these are all first preference swings against these liberal candidates. On a 2 P.Prefered Catherine Deves swing against reduced to – 3.56%.
    Yet Deves was hounded by the media and assorted left wing extremists because she strongly supported the rights of young girls and women in their heroic fight against stronger, transgender male athletes.
    Even that idiot Matt Kean called on Morrison to condemn her and asked the liberal party to cancel her candidacy. But Morrison wisely supported Catherine Deves because he knew that a huge majority of the electorate across Australia were annoyed and very concerned about the crazy encouragement and promotion of the transgender issue.
    I admire Catherine Deves and she is a very strong woman and thoroughly understands the situation.
    How anyone could vote for the Steggall or Ryan or Spender donkeys is a complete mystery to me.

    https://tallyroom.aec.gov.au/HouseDivisionMenu-27966-NSW.htm

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    Ross

    A new term to use. AWFULs – affluent white female urban leftists

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    David Maddison

    There is no plan to FIX anything because the plan is to DESTROY everything.

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      Honk R Smith

      … but it’s progressive destruction

      The tragedy of success.
      The compulsion to fix things that ain’t broke.
      Spoiled Child Culture

      One of the things about Trump …
      his NYC Billionaire kids came out pretty good in contrast to Brandon.
      Strong evidence of decency in IMHO.
      In my case, my particular evolutionary branch ends.
      But I tip my MAGA hat to folk that can raise productive kids in todays’ world.

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      James Murphy

      this is what I first noticed with the Greens, many years ago, especially just after the Democrats imploded and the Greens started harvesting the protest vote instead. They never have anything constructive or positive to say – never ever a glimmer of anything positive, or a way out of these supposed problems. Anything even vaguely positive is always linked to government money being handed out to people who are “victims” or “need support”. It’s not even charity, it’s narcissism, combined with a superiority complex. This idea that women cant help themselves, Aboriginals cant help themselves, Immigrants cant help themselves… apparently they all need support from those who know better… it’s sickening and demeaning.

      This relentless negativity is no way to get anyone, be it an individual, or a whole country to aspire to be better, so, I can only conclude has been a policy for decades.

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    Neville

    Another top and very accurate post from Francis Menton about the TOXIC S & W lunacy and the lies Biden will tell to try and fool the electorate.
    And Aussies also feature as a part of this lunacy update and even their Washington Post had to try and fact check the clueless Biden’s lies.
    Will these con merchants ever wake up?

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/06/03/bidens-most-preposterous-lie-is-too-much-even-for-the-washington-post/

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      David Maddison

      Imagine Leftist garbage that is so outrageous that even the WaPo has to check it?

      It is a fundamental law of wind and solar that the more you have, the higher the electricity to the consumer. There are no known exceptions to this law that I am aware of.

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        Mark Allinson

        “It is a fundamental law of wind and solar that the more you have, the higher the electricity to the consumer”

        So when you despise the working men and women of your own nation, as the Proglobs do, of course you will want more and more wind and solar.

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    el+gordo

    “The Liberal Party is becoming Labor and Labor is becoming the Liberal Party,”

    That is true and I see Dutton wooing blue collar workers, like Trump did.

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      DLK

      the liberal party was founded as the party of aspirational voters (menzies ‘forgotten people’).
      the working/middle class is its natural constituency.

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      Ronin

      Logging, oil, gas, mining, cement, power stations, saw milling, all these are under threat of extinction by the labor/watermelons, natural allies for Dutton to
      get on side.

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    Hanrahan

    So when the Libs we’re supposedly more wealthy it wasn’t an issue, but now there’s a big problem ?

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    Dave in the States

    I saw former Texas Gov Rick Perry speaking to how environmentalism is crushing the poor and extinguishing hope for the future in the 2nd and 3rd worlds. He was encougaging people to read Alex Epstein’s new book:

    https://www.amazon.com/s?k=fossil+future+by+alex+epstein&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIvYfP3_yS-AIVe-eGCh2bnQFXEAAYASAAEgJ2GPD_BwE&hvadid=599682517382&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9029362&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=e&hvrand=14379870262041024997&hvtargid=kwd-1661639679825&hydadcr=22569_10346741&tag=googhydr-20&ref=pd_sl_803vemajhd_e

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    Dennis

    Journalist Max Walsh wrote an article in The Bulletin Magazine during 2006 and explained the the relationship between Unions and Labor Party had changed, the Unions had completed a “corporate-style takeover” of the ALP and installed Union trained executives into safe Labor seats, the objective to eventually control all the governments of Australia.

    Following the major economic reforms commenced (Campbell Report based) in 1985 by the Hawke Labor Government, Paul Keating Treasurer, including deregulation of the banking and finance industry, Labor introduced the Superannuation Guarantee Levy on employers to be paid for employees into superannuation. And the Unions established Industry Super Funds for profit. The Royal Commission into banking and finance in more recent years exposed the loss of investment funds by employees from fees and charges, fees for no service in addition charged by financial advisers. But the Industry Super funds became a goldmine for the Unions. And based on investment of member’s funds into public companies the Unions gained influence through access to board rooms, directors and senior executives.

    The Trade Union Royal Commission into governance and corruption exposed Union busiinesses including labour hire firms using foreigners and paying them below Award Wages, and other business activities for profit.

    Add into the mix the UN IPCC based emissions reduction based business ventures, renewable energy, carbon credits, emissions trading schemes, electric vehicles, etc. And the influence effectively resulting in banks, other finance businesses, insurance companies all refusing to do business with companies in coal mining, coal fired power stations and other businesses considered to not be in the interests of dealing with the climate hoax and warming creatively accounted for modelling.

    In short, is it really a surprise that Union controlled Labor is now in favour at the high wealth end of society?

    And that the Liberals and Nationals remain favoured by small to medium businesses, usually private companies and partnerships or sole traders, I know that most trades people ion the building and construction industry lean towards the Coalition.

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      Philip

      yes it is astonishing the drift of working class people and the coalition. I real shift.

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        Philip

        A real shift. Dutton made remarks to it so it will be interesting to see if he can find the target and steer the ship towards it. A lot of people in the Libs will want to lurch left, which as we saw is a losing long term strategy.

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          James Murphy

          Isn’t this almost always the problem, the very people who aspire to become politicians should not be allowed to…. !
          I just don’t see the LNP being able to change course quickly or effectively. They have 3 years, but at this rate, they need 30.

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            Philip

            I tend to share that opinion. Given it’s been a 30 year process of erosion only logical it would take that long to go back.

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    UK-Weather Lass

    Since much (if not most) policy is determined by a consensus which now controls the health, energy, education sectors and most utilities and these leach into almost everything else then one wonders how long it is before democracy is reduced to a meaningless act of spoiling a ballot if you dissent. I was reduced to doing this last month in the English local council elections and it doesn’t look like it is going to get any better without a revolution taking place but I hope that if Johnson is toppled then we might see a much more lively Parliament with much more dissent.

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      tonyb

      Uk weather lass

      The trouble with spoiling your ballot paper is that they are at best shrugged off, at worst it is assumed you don’t know how to vote properly.

      to truly register our dissent we need a ‘none of the above’ entry whereby the numbers would be counted and read out at the declaration.

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    Deano

    Those who vote Green or ‘teal’ (the Greens designer label version) seem very prone to needing to be part of an exclusive club that carries high status. If you ask them why their left-wing candidates got their vote, they don’t seem to know. But they do know that so-and-so supports them and he’s a close friend of Sir David Attenborough! That’s enough reason for them.

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      Philip

      follow the crowd is a bit of it for sure. But they do believe in climate change these people, really believe. Jo puts a case most Australians don’t want to pay 1 cent for climate change which is true I suspect, but micro patterns exist in the demographics and these Teals are a response to that. It’s a very Gen X female movement, and that’s not an accident either. People do follow each other and this is what affluent urban elite women talk about at the moment.

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        Deano

        Yes – I’ve also noticed the ‘teal’ voters tend to enjoy telling others of their support for their local teal candidate. Definitely a fashionable activity. Among people who know me, I never reveal my voting habits and I’d say most voters fall into that category.

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    Jeremy Poynton

    Same in the UK. Labour longer represent the working person, rather the cosmopolitan woke elite. Indeed, none of the parties seem to give a flying duck abut the working person.

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    CHRIS

    It’s the case of the widening gap between the ‘haves’ and the ‘have nots’. Also related to Maslow’s Heirachy of Needs. The battlers at thye bottom of the pyramid, the woke class 2 steps above.

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    Turtle

    Thanks Jo. Great info there. There are still a lot of honest working class blokes who are operating on their father’s wisdom from forty years ago that Labor is for the worker and the Libs represent the rich. I did some research and this flip seems to have happened in the US under LBJ.

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    Kim

    Wokies – Globalists – are Little Worlders – they try to create the same little world all over the World.

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