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Surreal: Fake Russian claims of bioweapons labs, not so fake

Russia says the US has bioweapon research labs in Ukraine, an outrageous claim that was instantly fact-checked to oblivion until Senator Marco Rubio stopped the show by asking a US official under oath: Does Ukraine have chemical and biological weapons?

Victoria Nuland, US Under Secretary of State, could have said “No” but instead she said:

Ukraine has Biological research facilities…  which in fact we are quite concerned about —  that Russian troops, Russian forces may be seeking to gain control of.  So we are working with Ukrainians on how they can prevent any of those research materials from falling into Russian hands should they approach…

So not only is there some kind of research going on, but it’s so safe and fine that the US is worried the Russians might get it. And despite the Russians queuing for days in tanks at the border, no one thought to secure or destroy it?

Then the US official who hid secret labs and worries about what the Russians will do tells everyone that

“It’s classic Russian technique to blame on the other guy what they are planning to do themselves…”

I’m not sure whether to hope the US secures the bio-research.

We’re in a Biotech Cold War.

h/t Panda, and Bill in AZ

9.6 out of 10 based on 62 ratings

158 comments to Surreal: Fake Russian claims of bioweapons labs, not so fake

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    Jojodogfacedboy

    Our politicians in Canada believe we have hydrogen to export too in their wild ideas of not knowing anything of what they are talking about or how they’re created.
    Zero carbon is exactly what they currently are doing without the proper equipment and infrastructure to take its place.
    Let’s everyone have an electric vehicle without electricity to power it.

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      Bill+In+Oz

      So Senator Marco Rubbio
      Thinks that the Ukraine does not have the sovereign right
      To develop defense weapons against it’s aggressive Russian neighbour ?

      Unlike the sovereign USA which has spent many billions
      On developing bioweapons For the past 70 years ?

      Come on Jo !

      Post something that makes sense please !
      Or at least consistent ?

      PS Who really gives a brass razoo what Marco Rubio thinks ?
      He’s just another ding bat from the USA

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        el+gordo

        ‘Who really gives a brass razoo what Marco Rubio thinks ?’

        I do, he also smashed open the UFO conspiracy of silence.

        Go back to sleep old man.

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          Bill+In+Oz

          El Gordo, he’s just another Yankee
          Who sees the whole bloody world
          Through the lens of what will advance
          His own personal future in USA politics !

          The FACT that the Russians are invading Ukraine
          With 120,000 troops plus tanks a dn aircraft
          Is just nothing to him.

          And it seems as his supporter
          That you see the world through the same bloody blind spectacles.
          It means nothing to you either !

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            max

            U.S. Rep. Madison Cawthorn of North Carolina
            “Remember that Zelenskyy is a thug,” Cawthorn said in a video obtained by WRAL. “Remember that the Ukrainian government is incredibly corrupt and is incredibly evil and has been pushing woke ideologies.”

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              Bill+In+Oz

              So any country with a corrupt government
              Can be INVADED by Putin and his Russian army
              Who are the SAVIORS of us all !
              Including the USA which you claim time & time again
              Is CORRUPT !

              Good luck with argument Max !
              It’s NONSENSE !
              It’s NUTS !
              Only dope heads would put such an argument up !

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                Bill+In+Oz

                Why is it that the pro Russian supporters here & elsewhere
                ALL support of Putin & the Russian invasion of the Ukraine
                Because President Biden of the USA president has become a strong supporter
                Of a Free & Independent Ukraine ?

                Blind hatred of Biden determines what ya think about Ukraine !

                Its the kind of dopey & nonsensical thinking
                Which discredits conservatism completely.
                No wonder you are ignored and belittled
                As an irrelevant tiny deluded minority across the Western world.

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                I appreciate your point…Yet, it’s nuanced. People are capable of being individuals with unique opinions and any worse person will not just base opinions and attitudes on a political status quo.

                It would be best you do some reflecting here because it is Your blind hatred of those who think differently to you which determines what YOU think. The minority of whatever you reckon, not likely!

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        Peter C

        Was US involved in the Ukraine Bio labs? If not why are they concerned about the Labs now?

        Watch this space.

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          Fast Bowler

          If you do the searches you will find that this has been no secret for a couple of weeks. It is reported that these labs are funded by Fauci and Co.

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            Custer Van Cleef

            If bats start flying out of these abandoned ‘biolabs’, it might be time to ask Fauci & Daszak some questions…

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          Lance

          I’m going to take a slow approach to “judging” the latest flurry of “news”. Putin is not on my list of trusted people, I’ve been to Ukraine and Belarus several times, and I’m not naive or stupid.

          Firstly, it behooves all to understand BSL1-4 classifications.

          https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7120677/

          Essentially:

          1 is a High School or University Laboratory
          2 is essentially a Dentist or Doctor’s Office/Lab
          3 is hazardous materials, well controlled. Reference specimens to confirm/deny initial concerns.
          4 is extremely dangerous stuff. Exotic/dangerous. Bio weapon platforms, or might be.

          There are thousands of level 1 and 2 BioLabs in any country.
          There are hundreds of Level 3 labs around the world. Mostly part of the agricultural safety programs to detect food borne illnesses and plant/animal borne diseases. Some are meant to detect possible bioweapon exposures.

          Level 4 labs are very, very, few, around the world. Dozens, or less.

          https://miningawareness.wordpress.com/2022/03/11/russia-trying-to-make-stink-at-un-over-historic-odessa-anti-plague-research-institute-from-1886-its-bsl-3-upgrade-opened-given-pathogen-permit-under-pro-russian-ukrainian-president-yanuko/

          Ukraine has exactly ONE BSL-3 laboratory, in Odessa, a port of entry. It has samples of anthrax, cholera, etc, as references for confirmation of suspected pathogens. Samples are kept at -70F refrigeration or in Liquid Nitrogen until needed. The big concern is that concurrent military actions might destroy refrigeration and release the controlled samples. That might be bad.

          Odessa has a history of plague arriving via ships creating 8 pandemics from 1793-1810.

          Before deciding “what the truth is” and “who is guilty” of “what”, calm down and see what is proven true or false. At this point, I don’t trust any of the media accounts and even less, the government propaganda on any side. There is a lot of speculation and not a lot of facts.

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        Jonesy

        Who+ever+you+are..I’ll say just one word to prove the back room boys and gals in the US would do such a thing. “RENDITIONING” The US can be proven over and over to hide stuff overseas where they would fall foul of their own laws and conventions of DECENCY.

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          GlenM

          Consider that Ukraine is in thrall of the US and therefore compromised. I wouldn’t trust anything out of the State Department going on 40 odd years of lies. Think WMD and a spurious casus belli. Bah!

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        max

        Kurt Schlichter
        We owe the Ukrainians nothing, yet our garbage ruling class is demanding that we brace ourselves for unspecified “sacrifices” for their sake just as they have every time they have made some foreign policy screw-up. We normals are their janitors – we get to clean up their messes and no one is ever held accountable. No thanks.
        No, we’ve sacrificed enough to the foreign policy screw-ups of Ivy League incompetents. Who got us into the Vietnam War? Who got us into Iraq?
        Hey, don’t worry – these same neo-commandos will cheer you and your kids on when we go make Ukraine safe for Ukrainians. Your sacrifices will be appreciated, plebs, right up until it’s convenient to start calling you racist, Jesus knuckle-draggers again. 
        And if you ask why the hell we are not making America safe for Americans, you are in Putin’s pocket…
        The gullibility of our ruling class and its media minions to Ukrainian information operations is no confidence-builder either. No one can blame Ukraine for trying to convince the West to join its fight – its survival is on the line. But we can blame our best and brightest – ugh – for believing every too-good-to-be-true story. There’s a sucker born every minute, and a bunch of them will eventually attend Harvard.

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          RobB

          Right, I cant wait for the Gates’s and Rothschilds and Rockerfellas to put up a $100 billion to compensate the plebs.

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        Fuel Filter

        Rubio is a RINO.

        And his political stances change like the wind blows. He’s one of those “republicans” (small r) who has NEVER done
        ANYTHING to make life any better for any of his constituents.

        He’s in the game for his own self- aggrandizement and the big fat pension we are forced to give him.

        More tax money down the drain…

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        paul courtney

        Mr. Oz: The point of the article is that Ukraine HAS a biolab, US funded, and if you say this you were a conspiracy nut for a couple days until Vicki Nuland or some other Hillary acolyte confirmed that, once again, the conspiracy nut was in fact correct. It’s not about Ukraine’s sovereign right to have the lab, or about M. Rubio (other than he asked a question). The post makes perfect sense unless you refuse to get it.

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      Ronin

      Let the peasants charge their evs from their own solar panels (eat cake)

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      Geoffrey Williams

      ‘Zero carbon’ has quickly become a catchphrase with other words such as, democracy, human rights, free speech, climate change, and existential threat etc etc. All these phrases have lost their value and any real meaning as they are used so often that they are now watered down rhetoric without any real meaning or understanding.

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    Honk R Smith

    There are pesky rules here in America, which is why one might have to farm out one’s unmentionable research.
    That’s why Fauci had to funnel dinero to Wuhanna to for Not Gain of Function research.
    Come on, Chernobyl is there, nobody’s going to notice.
    If something goes wrong, there ya’ go.

    This morning, my local news station was vehemently declaring the lab story Russian propaganda, and only you know what theorists believe it.
    The two different realties divide we find ourselves in, is getting acute.

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      Honk R Smith

      And viola …

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSAbACJjwCA\

      All ya’ have to watch is the first 52 seconds.

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      Frank from NoVA

      The pesky US rules also put a damper on manufacturing, mining, etc. It would be nice if US politicians and bureaucrats could be held to a consistent standard wherein any items whose production is effectively prohibited domestically via regulation, can not be imported into the US.

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        Leo G

        It would be nice if US politicians and bureaucrats could be held to a consistent standard wherein any items whose production is effectively prohibited domestically via regulation, can not be imported into the US.

        These “research facilities” are usually just foreign aid boondoggles- funded by the US government but with no genuine value to the host nation. The result of lobbying by certain corporatist entities with defence connections. Their budgets are usually way out of proportion to what is actually done at the facility. The funds are siphoned off.

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    Dennis

    Not sure anyone wants to dig into this: https://twitter.com/dgaytandzhieva

    An interesting series of tweets there.

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    Frank from NoVA

    Gotta hand it to Vicky Nuland and the Neo-Cons. They might be stupid enough to instigate pointless wars, but they’re certainly clever enough to avoid perjuring themselves (not hard to do when the RINOs are asking the questions), while not actually revealing the truth.

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    TdeF

    It is the Green NIMBY attitude to the world.

    American and Australian leftists demand that all the dirty work is done overseas at risk to others. There is no such thing as world CO2. They do not want to soil their own backyards.

    So you cannot use your own coal or uranium in Australia, but you can sell it overseas. You cannot extract and pump your own oil or gas, but you can import it from absolute dictatorships like Venezuela, Iran and more.

    And you cannot risk your own lives with dangerous viral gain of function research, so you pay others to do it in places where life is cheap, like Ukraine or Wuhan, China.

    Australia can export uranium, but not use it. We can import gas but we are not allowed fracking . It’s not that Black Lives Matter but that the lives of Chinese and Ukranians do not matter at all. What is it about Green righteousness that self indulgence and selfishness is presented as caring for the planet when all that really matters is their own backyard.

    For example no one cares about the war raging in Ethiopia because those people have nothing we want and no good beach resorts. So it’s not my problem.

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      TdeF

      and I could add all the rare earth mining, shut down worldwide by Green activism as a health hazard. All in China. And the Chinese do not mind at all because they can charge $250 a kg not the old $8 a kg and the money flows like a river. Which is fine by the Greens as they are a self indulgent cosseted middle class far removed from anyone who does any real work. And the government can always increase taxes and charges.

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      Graham Richards

      Strange coincidence that incurable diseases start in central Africa, AIDS & EBOLA,
      where the CDC have big operations. Sounds very experimental to me!

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        PeterS

        We may never know the whole truth but one thing is constant; human greed for money and power. There are people who desire to take that to the highest level. The irony is such people are predominantly but not exclusively from the West. I wonder why that is? Is it because the people in the West haven’t suffered as much hardship as the other major nations, and as such Westerners tend to become useful idiots more easily?

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        RobB

        On the subject of AIDS and Africa, there is the theory that it is the result of the development of the (contaminated) polio vaccine:

        https://youtu.be/gRTpThZrDAY

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    Angus Black

    You’d have thought there was plenty enough warning for the Yanks to get any smoking guns/embarrassing lab work out of the Ukraine…the pre-invasion posturing went on for weeks and weeks…

    …and then you think: Withdrawal from Afghanistan, Biden, Harris…

    Hmmm.

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    PeterS

    So, the US in effect admitted setting up labs to develop biological weapons in Ukraine by saying that Russia might use them against the West. That’s like the pot calling the kettle black.

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      Trevor

      No no, they were research labs! Totally different!

      I have a research lab for gunpowder… but I totally won’t make bullets from that research. Trust me!

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        PeterS

        If you had a research lab for gunpowder then you don’t need to make bullets to put it to destructive or otherwise use. I used to make my own rockets with zinc and other powdered materials. Very effective for cracker night many years ago.

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    PeterW

    …….. and we are tripping over ourselves in a desperate attempt to believe tgat our enemies are good and our friends evil.

    The same enemies that are bombing children? The same enemies that produced the most-destroyed city in the world?

    I’m sick of the damned virtue-signallers self-flagellating which giving a homicidal dictator a free pass.
    I’m sick of the non-thinkers who imagine that extreme-sensitivity weapons research is carried out by scattering hundreds of labs in high-risk areas around the world.

    Never mind the extra risk of exposure, accidental release (Wuhan, anyone?) or capture/penetration by enemies. Conspiracy theories rock, eh?

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      PeterS

      US actually funded gain of function research at the Wuhan lab so no one is innocent in all this.

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        PeterW

        PeterS….

        US actually funded gain of function research at the Wuhan lab so no one is innocent in all this.

        Still not an excuse to declare us guilty of everything, all the time, on what grounds?

        If you care about justice instead of prejudice, then you will look at the evidence on both sides….. including that suggesting that the labs in question are not fit for bioweapon research, nor sensibly located for that purpose.

        You seem to have forgotten that the funding of GOF research was illegal, which is why Fauci so strenuously and emphatically denied it. “Illegal” has a tendency to mean , “NO…. DON’T DO THAT!”.

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        Lance

        Wuhan was a BSL-4 level lab. That is a seriously dangerous place.

        BSL-3 labs have Reference specimens of common pathogens for verification of suspected pathogens in food or animals or humans. Think avian flu, bovine anthrax, etc. Health labs do this stuff all the time for food safety.

        Big difference. Ukraine has ONE BSL-3 lab. In Odessa. Odessa is a Port of Entry.
        It has had dozens of Plague and other outbreaks since 1893.

        Your Dentist/Doctor office is a BSL-2 lab.

        Put things in perspective.

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      RobB

      ‘I’m sick of the non-thinkers who imagine that extreme-sensitivity weapons research is carried out by scattering hundreds of labs in high-risk areas around the world.‘

      Whats to imagine? Victoria Nuland just admitted they have biolabs with something so dangerous they didnt want it to fall into Russian hands.

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      David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

      Did you watch the video?
      Doesn’t sound like it.

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    PeterS

    We already know that the US funded gain of function research in Wuhan so why is it such a surprise similar activity is conducted elsewhere throughout the world? What I like to know is are there any similar facilities here in Australia? If there are then they should be shut down immediately for our own safety. We should not be in the business of developing biological weapons of mass destruction. I thought it was illegal anyway, although that doesn’t appear to matter any more. Anything goes is the motto today, including still unnecessarily coercing people to take unsafe vaccines that have led to countless serious harm, including deaths. That’s the kind of sinister governments we have all over the world on all sides, apart from a few who have now disbanded that coercion of late.

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      RoHa

      “What I like to know is are there any similar facilities here in Australia?”

      No, no dodgy American facilities here.

      Pine Gap

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      Jonesy

      The Electronic Integrated Disease Surveillance System (EIDSS) is a software system which is designed to strengthen monitoring and prevention of human and animal diseases within the One Health concept, and facilitate compliance of International Health Regulations (IHR) 2005.Key system modules include Human Cases module, Vector Surveillance module, Laboratory module, Outbreak module, Administrative module, and Analysis, Visualization & Report (AVR)module with Geographic Information System (GIS) capabilities. EIDSS manages case data,case plus disease specific investigation, aggregate data with corresponding sample, and laboratory data linked to cases. The system collects and distributes data, notifies on the events in near real-time, provides access from desktop, web and mobile devices, which allows it to link together different levels and ministries of a national disease surveillance network in a secure way. EIDSS is customizable for each participating country to hold relevant content:diseases list, specific reports, disease-specific investigation forms, among others.

      What the hell is the “One Health” concept?

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      Bill+In+Oz

      Hey Old Aussie, Open your eyes !
      You seem to think Anything that the Russians do
      Like invading Ukraine with 120,000 armed troops And tanks
      Like bombing hospitals
      Like seizing the Crimea in 2014
      Like shooting down a civilian Malaysian aircraft
      With 200 plus people on board in 2014
      And 38 of them were Australians by the way

      Russia is the ROGUE BEAR in the world !
      Forget North Korea
      Forget Iran
      Forget Syria
      RUSSIA like Nazi Germany in the 1930-40’s,
      Is the major threat to world peace !
      But maybe that’s what ya want anyway !

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    Vladimir

    Never thought it would come to this but now I see that North Koreans and Iranian leaders are right – do not trust anyone with the fate of your country!

    The first most important task, when and if, the current East European war finishes without becoming WW3, is to totally redo UN.
    It may not be possible to cure that very sick organisations, so we have to be honest with ourselves and accept as a medical fact that humanity is not ready yet.

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    OldOzzie

    Tucker Carlson: Why Is The United States Funding Biological Labs in Ukraine? What Is Victoria Nuland Hiding?

    Yeah. We’re not going to do a segment about secret labs in Ukraine. Last thing we want to do on this show is traffic in Russian disinformation spread by QAnon, so we took a pass on that story. And that’s where things stood until yesterday when we happened to tune in to a hearing of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

    Toria Nuland was testifying so we were interested. Nuland was one of the people who brought us the Iraq War, never apologized for that and kept getting promoted because that’s how DC works. Toria Nuland is now Joe Biden’s Under Secretary of State in charge of Ukraine and she knows a lot about Ukraine.

    In 2014, Toria Nuland engineered a coup in Ukraine in the name of democracy, of course. So, she is a highly informed source about Ukraine. So, she was having this colloquy with Senator Marco Rubio of Florida during her testimony, and at one point, Rubio took a tack that we were not expecting at all. He asked Nuland if Ukraine had biological weapons.

    We never imagined Ukraine would have biological weapons. Why would Ukraine have bioweapons? So, it seemed like a pretty strange question, but it wasn’t half as shocking as the answer he got. Here’s what Toria Nuland said.

    SEN. MARCO RUBIO: Does Ukraine have chemical or biological weapons?

    VICTORIA NULAND: Ukraine has a biological research facilities, which, In fact, we are now quite concerned Russian troops, Russian forces, may be seeking to gain control of. So, we are working with the Ukrainians on how they can prevent any of those research materials from falling into the hands of Russian forces should they approach.

    Does Ukraine have biological weapons? Ugh, Ukraine has biological research facilities. What? You mean secret bio labs like the secret bio labs that Ukraine definitely doesn’t have? Ukraine has those? Yes, it does. And not only does Ukraine have secret bio labs, Toria Nuland said, whatever they’re doing in those labs is so dangerous and so scary that she is, “quite concerned” that the so-called research material inside those bio labs might fall into the hands of Russian forces.

    Try not to use profanity on the air to describe our reaction. Our jaws dropped, let’s leave it there. Under oath in an open committee hearing, Toria Nuland just confirmed that the Russian disinformation they’ve been telling us for days is a lie and a conspiracy theory and crazy and immoral to believe is, in fact, totally and completely true.

    Woah, you don’t hear things like that every day in Washington. Talk about a showstopper and a dozen questions instantly jump to mind. What exactly are they doing in these secret Ukrainian bio labs? Ukraine is the poorest country in Europe. It’s hardly a hotbed of biomedical research. We’re assuming these weren’t pharmaceutical labs, probably not developing new Leukemia drugs. From your answer, Toria Nuland, we would assume because you all but said it, that there’s a military application to this research, that they were working on bioweapons. Again, your answer suggests that.

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      Earl

      Wow this Russian dis-information unit is really clever given it can start a story some 9 years before it is needed. This article is dated October 6 2013 and covers the then growing concern at the number of bio-labs popping up in Europe including Georgia and Ukraine.

      It even includes a quote that clearly shows US involvement in those labs courtesy of the CDC comment:

      “However The Center for Disease Control, CDC, in Atlanta, Georgia, USA, says that the US Military is in charge of the bio lab in Tbilisi, not the Georgian government, despite it being officially handed over to Georgian government control after the scandal broke earlier this year.
      Staff at the CDC told me several weeks after the handover, “the lab is managed by the Department of Defense. Try contacting USAMIRID (U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases) for more information”.

      Do so called “fact checkers” not have the same internet access that people such as I have who can find this stuff with a simple (non-Google, lol) search?

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    OldOzzie

    China Requests UN Inspectors Be Sent To US-Funded Ukraine Biolabs

    On Tuesday, Chinese Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Zhao Lijian discussed the US-run biolabs in Ukraine and other nations around the globe.

    Despite the US State Department confirming their existence on Wednesday, mainstream media continues to claim Ukrainian biolabs are a “Russian disinformation” campaign.

    During the Chinese Ministry of Affairs press conference, Lijian urged America to “give a full account of its biological military activities at home and abroad and subject itself to multilateral verification.”

    “Under the current circumstances, for the sake of the health and safety of people in Ukraine, the surrounding region and the whole world, we call on all relevant parties to ensure the safety of these laboratories. In particular, the US, as the party with the best knowledge of these laboratories, should release relevant details as soon as possible, including what viruses are stored and what research has been conducted,” Zhao urged.

    The communist government spokesperson said the US should accept “multilateral inspections” from the UN Security Council.

    The call for an investigation comes after Russia allegedly took control over some of these labs and accused the US of working on biomilitary projects aimed at targeting the Russian people.

    China claims the Ukrainian biolabs are only the “tip of the iceberg,” because America is operating 336 similar labs in a total of 30 countries worldwide.

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    Every university in every nation has what could be called biolabs and there are many private ones too. Pretty much all of them are involved in medical research rather than for use in warfare. Some might have stocks of something that the Russians could make use of with hostile intent.
    Furthermore, some of the Ukraine labs are left over from Soviet times and the US provides funding to keep them safe. They could be useful to Putin’s regime.
    All this is readily available information in the public domain.

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      GlenM

      Ah come on. This is typical US controlling its clients for its own ends. Ask yourself seriously why is the US stirring up this sort of stuff next to Russia.

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    Nuland did effectively say ‘No’ by saying that what they had instead were biological research facilities and not bioweapon research labs.

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      Peter C

      New Speak!
      biological research facilities = bioweapon research labs.

      Otherwise why is Nuland concerned about them?

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        Simply because medical research can be used as a basis for bio weapon research. There is currently no evidence that any of locations have been involved in bio weapons.

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          Bozotheclown

          Pedal pedal pedal. Whenever I hear “no evidence” in a hotly contested subject, I know I’m in BS zone. (AKA fake news)

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          Honk R Smith

          So we’ve moved from ‘the locations don’t exist’ to ‘they’re perfectly normal’.
          Progress.

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        Curious George

        Peter, what’s your opinion of the Wuhan bio-lab?

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    Neville

    Common sense tells me that all developed countries have dipped their toes into the bio weapons pond for years.
    But I also know that Putin and his mafia gangs have had a free reign for decades and a very compliant media to support them along the way and ditto for China’s Communist Party.
    But the western countries’ leaders always have to run the gauntlet of their media and Trump certainly found that out during his 4 year term.
    So far Biden has tripped up at every opportunity and we now see rising inflation and a possible very serious energy crisis because of their so called EXISTENTIAL THREAT lunacy.
    Govts today have many secrets about their military plus weapons and I’m sure bio weapons research is a part of that mix all around the world.
    Yesterday we lost Kimberly Kitching and she was a warrior against the CCP for years and the ALP left have recently fought to undermine her and win her Senate spot.
    She was a good friend of Andrew Bolt and I always enjoyed their debates and the genuine relaxation and laughter between them over the years.
    She worked closely with Liberal Sen Andrew Hastie on Senate committees and they both had a good working relationship.

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      Neville

      Sorry I should have written “a possible very serious WESTERN energy crisis” above.

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      PeterW

      Common sense also tells us that we don’t wait for an enemy to use bioweapons against us, before we start building facilities that can identify and prepare defensive counter-measures.

      Apparently, being prepared to defend itself makes Ukraine guilty

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    OldOzzie

    Victoria Nuland: Ukraine Has “Biological Research Facilities,” Worried Russia May Seize Them

    The neocon’s confession sheds critical light on the U.S. role in Ukraine, and raises vital questions about these labs that deserve answers.

    Glenn Greenwald Mar 10

    Self-anointed “fact-checkers” in the U.S. corporate press have spent two weeks mocking as disinformation and a false conspiracy theory the claim that Ukraine has biological weapons labs, either alone or with U.S. support. They never presented any evidence for their ruling — how could they possibly know? and how could they prove the negative? — but nonetheless they invoked their characteristically authoritative, above-it-all tone of self-assurance and self-arrogated right to decree the truth, definitively labelling such claims false.

    Claims that Ukraine currently maintains dangerous biological weapons labs came from Russia as well as China. The Chinese Foreign Ministry this month claimed: “The US has 336 labs in 30 countries under its control, including 26 in Ukraine alone.” The Russian Foreign Ministry asserted that “Russia obtained documents proving that Ukrainian biological laboratories located near Russian borders worked on development of components of biological weapons.” Such assertions deserve the same level of skepticism as U.S. denials: namely, none of it should be believed to be true or false absent evidence. Yet U.S. fact-checkers dutifully and reflexively sided with the U.S. Government to declare such claims “disinformation” and to mock them as QAnon conspiracy theories.

    Unfortunately for this propaganda racket masquerading as neutral and high-minded fact-checking, the neocon official long in charge of U.S. policy in Ukraine testified on Monday before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and strongly suggested that such claims are, at least in part, true. Yesterday afternoon, Under Secretary of State Victoria Nuland appeared before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL), hoping to debunk growing claims that there are chemical weapons labs in Ukraine, smugly asked Nuland: “Does Ukraine have chemical or biological weapons?”

    Rubio undoubtedly expected a flat denial by Nuland, thus providing further “proof” that such speculation is dastardly Fake News emanating from the Kremlin, the CCP and QAnon. Instead, Nuland did something completely uncharacteristic for her, for neocons, and for senior U.S. foreign policy officials: for some reason, she told a version of the truth. Her answer visibly stunned Rubio, who — as soon as he realized the damage she was doing to the U.S. messaging campaign by telling the truth — interrupted her and demanded that she instead affirm that if a biological attack were to occur, everyone should be “100% sure” that it was Russia who did it. Grateful for the life raft, Nuland told Rubio he was right.

    But Rubio’s clean-up act came too late. When asked whether Ukraine possesses “chemical or biological weapons,” Nuland did not deny this: at all. She instead — with palpable pen-twirling discomfort and in halting speech, a glaring contrast to her normally cocky style of speaking in obfuscatory State Department officialese — acknowledged: “uh, Ukraine has, uh, biological research facilities.” Any hope to depict such “facilities” as benign or banal was immediately destroyed by the warning she quickly added: “we are now in fact quite concerned that Russian troops, Russian forces, may be seeking to, uh, gain control of [those labs], so we are working with the Ukrainiahhhns [sic] on how they can prevent any of those research materials from falling into the hands of Russian forces should they approach” — [interruption by Sen. Rubio]:

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    MarkMcD

    Anyone else a bit bemused at just how many fake checked things turn out to be true or how many conspiracy theories are based in reality.

    It’s almost like the so-called ‘elites’ want to hide things from us so they fake-check and label as conspiracy anything that might drop them in it.

    We’re better off believing any conspiracy theory that isn’t totally irrational because they all seem to be true.

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    David Maddison

    I don’t think either side is “good” or trustworthy but it was always a concern to me that rational thinkers found themselves on the same side as the Left in this. There was something about the whole situation that didn’t seem quite right. This tends to confirm it.

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    another ian

    Watch out!

    “Diet Google: DuckDuckGo Will ‘Down-Rank’ What It Decides Is ‘Disinformation’ ”

    https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2022/03/10/diet-google-duckduckgo-will-down-rank-what-it-decides-is-disinformation/

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      David Maddison

      Styx spoke about this.

      https://youtu.be/bN1lmKJknKw

      Very sad because DuckDuckGo was the free speech search engine that conservatives could once trust with the truth.

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      Grogery

      DDG censoring their searches, running out of options.

      I was using the Brave browser on windoze before I switched to Linux (using Firefox).

      While Brave doesn’t have a browser for Linux, you can still use Brave to search. So I’m gonna give it a try for a while and see how it goes.

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    Neville

    Sorry again but Andrew Hastie is the member for Canning WA in the Federal House of Reps and definitely not a Senator.
    He chaired the joint Parliamentary committee on Security and Defence 2017 to 2020.

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    Serge Wright

    We’re now at the point in our MSM / Left wing government degeneration cycle where we don’t know what to believe and it usually takes years for the truth to come out, by which time the damage is done. Like Wuhan, this little escape of unwanted news will get the full steam-cleaning treatment from the supporting media. The narrative that Russia is the bad guy must be maintained at all cost.

    Which brings us to the main point here. Who is the bad guy ?

    Biden and the Dems were on a downward spiral in the polls because their RE policy was causing a severe energy crisis and subsequent rampant inflation. Russia invades Ukraine and suddenly the Dems have a scapegoat for all of their own goals. And, they then double down of the inflation causing and economy destroying policies in response to Russia’s move.

    We all know something is rotten and it’s not in Denmark. Russia will keep its head up with support from China and the global economy will continue to tank. The only outcome from this is we move closer to the great reset, a convenient outcome for the radicals running the free world.

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      PeterS

      Who is the bad guy? They all are and discussing which one is worse is pointless as it only feeds more fuel to the already raging fire. What we need is all of them to be encouraged to come clean but that can only happen in the West when the MSM comes clean. As you implied our MSM are a pack of liars. So expecting to get the true news from them is idiotic and pointless. We need to get our own house in order before we ask others to do the same. Since it appears that will never happen, as most of us have already done, we have to rely on other sources, which can be a daunting task trying to get to the truth. A lot of times one has to chew the meat and spit out the bones as no news source is perfect. The problem of course, and it’s a major one, is most people won’t do it for a number of reasons, all of which are pathetic and stupid given the seriousness of the situation.

      As you concluded, and rightly so, we are all heading for some great reset but it may not be the kind the WEF is hoping for but a lot more sinister. Can we stop it? Of course we can but the people have to get off their fat behinds and vote with their feet wrt the MSM by boycotting all of them, and vote at the ballot box accordingly and stop voting for the two major parties. Otherwise, things will continue to deteriorate until various bubbles burst in quick succession.

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      Custer Van Cleef

      What I don’t understand: how is pushing Russia into the arms of China, good for The West?

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        PeterS

        Who said anything about doing good for anyone let alone the West. The point to remember is that we are overrun with despot leaders on all sides. It’s actually a wonder we haven’t already nuked the planet.

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    Neville

    BTW here’s Peta Credlin’s June 2020 interview with Kimberly Kitching and Andrew Hastie and the new Global initiative to take on the CCP.
    She was certainly a prime target for Daniel Andrews because of her stance on China and his far left Belt and Road agreement.
    See 2020 for Peta’s video below.

    https://www.andrewhastie.com.au/credlininterview

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    Neville

    I’ve also noticed that DUCK DUCK GO is starting to copy GOOGLE and making it harder to quickly find Sceptic blogs like WUWT etc.
    No problems for me but I’m sure a new chum searcher will have more problems trying to find sceptic sites.
    But I suppose that’s their reason they’re doing it.

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    KP

    From God’s own word, the Sydney Morning Herald..
    “In contrast to the Kremlin’s famed use of trolls and bots to sow doubts among democracies, the US’s strategy of sharing factual information has built trust between the US, allied countries and war-hit Ukraine.”

    How could anyone doubt America’s word on the labs? Pure as driven snow..

    One the good news front-

    Lada – Russia’s largest car maker – has been forced to close its factory doors for an unspecified period, as Western economic sanctions render continued production untenable. …The budget marque can no longer supply the “parts and supplies” it needs from the rest of Europe.

    So the Russians may produce basic 1980-90s cars not packed with electronic safety features and consumer rubbish, straight-forward cars that run on petrol or diesel even! Maybe cars you can actually DRIVE without them trying to do the driving for you!

    I’d be up for one!

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      Bozotheclown

      electronic safety features and consumer rubbish

      Or maybe electronic tracking features? You know that “onstar” (GM) uses cell technology? The Cell radio is there even if you don’t subscribe. If GM pays for it they can haunt your ass forever. (until you trade in the vehicle.)

      You sign a user agreement and basically you pay a lot and then they own the vehicle. You rent the ability to drive it. Same with your other smart devices.

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      another ian

      Remember from the last go round?

      “How to double the value of your Lada – fill the fuel tank”

      Would make it a more expensive car now though

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    PeterS

    Again, is it really a surprise? Only to those who are asleep. Even then I doubt many who are asleep care one iota about all this.

    Biolabs in Ukraine, a Smoking Gun – Not “Fake News”

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      PeterS

      direct link: Biolabs in Ukraine, a Smoking Gun – Not “Fake News”

      Just to make it clear, both sides are guilty as hell. So, all the finger pointing done by our politicians and MSM ought to look in the mirror. The buck starts and stops with them. They are just as guilty as the Russians and Chinese. Then again it ought not be a surprise given what we already know from the past, in particular over the past decade or so.

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    Furiously+Curious

    Just watched Oliver Stone’s solidly left wing, ‘Ukraine on fire’. It is undoubtedly pretty accurate in documenting the deep state’s dastardly deeds in foreign countries, no qualms there. Between the rapacious global elites, and the menacing deep state, we’re being roundly f…ed. But there was one very glaring omission in the doco. The 1930’s didn’t seem to have happened. Why were the terrible Ukrainians so right wing fascist? What cause could they have to dislike Russians? Why did they take up arms, and behave so brutally alongside the nazi’s, and continue to do so, when Russian governments have so consistently had people’s welfare in mind?
    Could it have a little to do with a trifling 10 million Ukrainians purposefully staved to death in the early 1930’s? And the killing of anyone objecting to that, with either a bullet, or death by Siberia? A mere trifle. Get over it guys.
    Crimea became Russian after they shipped all the Crimean Tartars off to Siberia, and I wondered who the original inhabitants of Donetsk were. That was a surprise. The city of Donetsk was founded by a Welsh businessman who developed mines and a steel plant. And many of the original inhabitants were Welsh. Didn’t see that coming.

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      RobB

      And while we’re at it, lets ask the Australian Aborgines and North American Indians how they feel all about this.

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        PeterS

        Why leave out the rest of the Australian public? Then again given much of the news from the MSM is fake, so I wouldn’t bother as it would be a waste of time. Perhaps the Australian aborigines would give a more sensible response after all.

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        Geoffrey Williams

        Rob, the two issues you mention are long in the past. That is not to say that they were good.
        However if there is a lesson to be learned it is ‘defend your land against all intruders’.

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          RobB

          Well, the Ukrainian famine was about 90 years ago. It surprised me when I learnt that the last official battle of the Indian Wars was in 1918, 104 years ago. The last massacre of Australian aborigines was in 1928 (which I first heard of in a visit to Alice Springs in the 1970’s). So these things happened a long time ago, and yet are not so far removed from living memory. If you were born in 1860 and lived to 1940 you could have seen alot of it, and you could’ve told my father, who was born in 1932, and is still alive.

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            PeterS

            Stop cherry picking. There were massacres on both sides.

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              el+gordo

              Blankets laced with smallpox were given to the American indians and Australian aborigines with great success, undoubtedly crimes against humanity.

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      Custer Van Cleef

      And did Oliver Stone explain why Stalin shifted the border so chunks of Russia became eastern provinces in Ukraine?

      I’m assuming Stalin, true to form, didn’t consult with the local people before he did that.

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      garry b

      The Hlodomor was persecuted by the Soviet Union communists. Stalin was born in Georgia, many who enforced the famine/genocide were local Ukrainians. Will we ever know why Stalin & cronies actually sought to murder so many millions? Perhaps they were just homicidal sociopaths. Ukrainians may blame Russians for what happened, but it was mainly the madness of the homicidal communist cult.
      Prior to czarina Catherines’ military push in the 18th century, the lands were subject to anarchy, with Poles, Ottomans, Cossacks, etc., fighting over it. Russian soldiers captured the Crimea, and allowed the inhabitants to practice their religion (Othodox). The changing of the border by Kruschev was not done by wishes of the population, but just by fiat. I think those in Eastern Ukraine (East of Dnieper) should merge into Russia. The western Ukrainians, having on two occasions overthrown PM’s who were Russophiles, and sought to meddle with the schooling of those living in the east treat those in the east as a conquered territory-time for a divorce.
      60 years ago the US nearly went to war with the USSR over the presence of missiles in Cuba. Now the US want to hand out 1,000s of assorted missiles to anyone who wants them in Ukraine, plus they want to advance up to border of Russia/Belarus. Hypocrisy anyone?
      Foxnews describes bombing at Mariupol as a “war crime”. How many died in the fire-bombing of Hamburg, Dresden, and Tokyo-to name a few. Fair & Balanced???
      Where can one get balanced news? RT news has been disappeared, and what is left is hysterical people ranting about “evil Putin”, and doing their best to start a thermo-nuclear world. Perhaps if Marshall McLuhan had lived longer he might have said that the media is the message, and it is evil”

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    Dave in the States

    I had a conversation last night wherein the person I was talking to was gobsmacked when I pointed out that government information/data is usually the least trust worthy source.

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      Earl

      And if you want to go for a second gobsmack get them to watch this interview of Lucy Gichuhi who immigrated from Kenya to the “lucky country” and got into parliament. At the 21:00 mark the interviewer is himself gobsmacked to be told there is “no” corruption in Australian parliament and then at the 29:30minute mark where Lucy states she had trouble living on the $200,000 p.a. salary.

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      PeterS

      That status used to be held only by the ABC here in Australia. Now it’s shared with all mainstream outlets, including Sky News, whcih I used to trust and now wouldn’t even waste my time with them. I then switched to RT News but now that’s banned. Is that the sound of storm troopers I can hear coming down my cable?

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        GreatAuntJanet

        Australia is terrible for decent investigative news, other than the odd individual. Sky’s Outsiders crew try but their efforts seem hamstrung by globalist pressures, so they don’t get through to as many as they should. The Australian has got so bad (haven’t been a subscriber for about a year now) that I don’t even bother to look at their pathetic front page any more. I find myself going to the ABC of all places as I know they are green/lefty/woke fools, but they have some of my money to produce stories I can attempt to filter.

        Any recommendations?

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          PeterS

          That’s why I liked to watch RT News on cable as they questioned everything and actually had commentators discussing all sides in an amicable fashion, not just one-sided monologues like our MSM. For example, when the discussion on climate change came up, they looked at both sides of the argument and left it to the viewer to decide. Try getting that sort of discussion on say the ABC. No news service is perfect but our MSM are as bad as they come. At least one can still go to the RT News web site. TO show they do in fact offer news on both sides see
          Top US spies explain Ukrainian ‘biolabs’US intelligence community has pushed back against Russian allegations of “bioweapons” labs operating in Ukraine You get the sense to some degree at least they want to question the accuracy of the biolabs theory pushed by some anti-US independent news outlets. That’s my style; question everything and research.

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          Chris

          The Epoch Times, it’s more than worth the $100 ( roughly) a year subscription. Has an Australian edition where you will discover things happening on the home front that are not available on the Australian media.

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    Vladimir

    Jo and everyone !

    If you believe the words of Gen. Konashenkov, I have got a beautiful West Gate Bridge for private sale.

    I watched his face when he said that in 2022 Americans planned to use bats and lizards to spread Anthrax and African Swine Fever from Ukrainian labs to Russia.
    He did not smile, but you people (some with PhDs …) must laugh !
    Why don’t you?

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      MP

      I am interested in the bridge you have for sale, what price and as its from Victoria what condition, also as its fallen down once, what warranty do you offer.

      The last one I brought failed to arrive.

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    Yonason

    I just updated to my comment to a previous post on that. The source claims that they are most likely defensive, and that “...there are no registered high containment Biosafety Level-4 facilities in Ukraine

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/03/lawrence-sellin-level-setting-ukraine-biolab-controversy/

    That makes sense, because if Russia were to use bio-weapons on them, they would need a secure place to handle them, not just take them to a local university or hospital lab. (I hope the reason for that is obvious.)

    And, speaking of what should be obvious, I’ve long wondered why I’ve never heard of SARS-COV2 samples being taken to a secure facility, as would be appropriate to it’s alleged hazard. What, if anything, am I missing?

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      Yonason

      Another Update

      Robert Malone urges caution, since our information is as yet incomplete.
      https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/ukraine-biolab-watchtower?s=r

      He admits that the Russians might be forgiven for perceiving the biolabs as a threat (especially given the paranoid and secretive behavior of the children in charge of them). Then again, the Russians may just be posturing.

      so far i don’t see any reason to chabgfxvggfdddddd , … not to get some sleep, lol

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    b.nice

    This is going to hurt the EV manufacturers too.

    Russia is a major producer of nickle, used in EV batteries..

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    David Maddison

    Off topic. After Shane Warne another relatively young person of 52, Kimberley Kitching, Labor Senator for Victoria, died unexpectedly of a heart attack, allegedly after a third “booster” shot but I’m sure that’s unrelated as we all know the covid vaccines are the safest and most thoroughly tested in human history.

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      PeterS

      The hits keep coming. I suppose we have to wait a while to see if we have an avalanche of deaths due to the vaccines. Of course by then those responsible will figure out more diversions to side-step any accountability. The funny thing is people might not even stop and think anything is wrong if they start seeing people dropping dead like flies in the street due to the vaccines. So many are walking around like zombies with their noses glued to their mobile phones.

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      GreatAuntJanet

      I do wonder about these relatively young folk suffering heart issues. These days, even elderly people I know who have had a heart attack get treated very quickly with clot busters and stents. Wouldn’t younger people get helped the same way? People do die from heart attacks still, I know, but…

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      John Hultquist

      D.M. wrote: “died unexpectedly of a heart attack

      Maybe AU is different, but in the USA “Sudden cardiac death (SCD) is a sudden, unexpected death caused by loss of heart function (sudden cardiac arrest). Sudden cardiac death is the largest cause of natural death in the United States, causing about 325,000 adult deaths in the United States each year. Sudden cardiac death is responsible for half of all heart disease deaths.
      [ I added the bold ]

      https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/17522-sudden-cardiac-death-sudden-cardiac-arrest

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      Ronin

      We are alert to these two deaths of 52 year olds, how many others who are not in the public eye have died or had serious problems.

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    Betty Luks

    Jo,
    It really is getting so hard to tell truth/facts from lies/propaganda.
    What are we to think of the following reports?

    Lez LuTHOR
    @LezLuthor

    Illusion Warfare Report: The Road to Ukraine. -Join me as i LARP my way onto the Hollywood movie set we know as Ukraine. Will the matrix allow me to peak behind the curtains of a manufactured and manipulated world staged event?

    https://twitter.com/lezluthor/status/1500175827161554946?s=10

    The WEF and the Liberals’ agenda for Canada by Chris George

    https://niagaraindependent.ca/the-wef-and-the-liberals-agenda-for-canada/

    MP Colin Carrie rose in the House of Commons to enter into the debate on the use of the Emergency Act, and began posing a question to the government benches, “Klaus Schwab is the head of the World Economic Forum, and he bragged how his subversive WEF has ‘infiltrated’ governments around the world. In the interests of transparency, could the member please name which cabinet ministers are on board with the WEF’s agenda…”

    The MP was interrupted by the Speaker who claimed the parliamentary audio and video were not working. Then MP Charlie Angus immediately took the floor on a point of order to say that Carrie was “openly promoting disinformation.” With that outburst, the Speaker looked passed Carrie and recognized another MP to speak.

    Carrie’s question about the WEF and the Trudeau Cabinet was purposely ignored. So, “in the interests of transparency,” here are the pertinent facts that were denied parliamentarians. Please link to sites and read on. . .

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    OldOzzie

    WHO Told Ukraine To Destroy ‘High-Threat Pathogens’ In Labs To Prevent Disease Spread

    “As part of this work, WHO has strongly recommended to the Ministry of Health in Ukraine and other responsible bodies to destroy high-threat pathogens to prevent any potential spills,” said the UN agency.

    The report comes after a tense back-and-forth between US and Russian officials over “dangerous” biolabs in the country – with Russia, and then China, accusing the US military of involvement in Ukraine’s biolabs.

    On Wednesday, Russian foreign ministry spokesperson Maria Zakharova repeated a longstanding claim that the United States operates a biowarfare lab in Ukraine, an accusation that has been repeatedly denied by Washington and Kyiv.

    Zakharova said that documents unearthed by Russian forces in Ukraine showed “an emergency attempt to erase evidence of military biological programmes” by destroying lab samples. -Reuters

    The US has denied the allegations – issuing (among other things) a Thursday statement that “The United States does not have chemical or biological weapons labs in Ukraine,” adding that America “does not develop or possess chemical and biological weapons anywhere.”

    FACT: The United States does not have chemical and biological weapons labs in Ukraine. pic.twitter.com/cB9ZrH8vCo

    — Department of State (@StateDept) March 10, 2022
    On Tuesday, US Undersecretary of State Victoria Nuland acknowledged that Ukraine “has biological research facilities, which, in fact, we are now quite concerned Russian troops, Russian forces may be seeking to gain control of. So we are working with the Ukrainians on how they can prevent any of those research materials from falling into the hands of Russian forces should they approach.”

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      PeterS

      Yes, but one shift, namely net zero emissions has not clocked out and it appears it never will until it has accomplished its goal, namely the destruction of all world economies that rely on fossil fuels in order to satisfy the globalist agenda.

      Putin Announcing He May Nationalize All Foreign Corporation Assets who Left Russia

      Many people are deeply concerned that this is all a political game – not military. This has the same fingerprints all over it as the COVID scam and the end objectives are the same. These sanctions are really intended to shut down fossil fuels and by driving the price higher, it is believed that the people will consume less and work virtually. There are money trails that are revealed in such documents as the Panama Papers.

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    tygrus

    Bio-labs are used to investigate bacteria & viruses to better understand their DNA/RNA, structures, behaviour & possible treatments for the benefit of public health. They don’t need to be military bio-labs for the contents to be dangerous if removed by the enemy. The same goes for peaceful nuclear research facilities which can be abused in the wrong hands to some extent.

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      Tel

      https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/05-829-Ukraine-Weapons.pdf

      The agreement is with the US Department of Defense and specifically mentions preventing the proliferation of biological weapons. That means whatever is in there would be regarded as a bio-weapon if it got out.

      They are also allowed to do “biological threat agent detection” which means collecting more pathogens and expanding the library. Very similar to what Dr Daszak was doing at EcoHealth Aliance. Go out around the world finding things that look dangerous, bring them back to the lab and figure out just how dangerous, then save them for later … that’s the standard process … until it leaks of course.

      Also note that while there is no provision for outside oversight (we are expected to just trust these guys to do the right thing) there is a provision for keeping “sensitive” information away from the public to ensure no one knows what to ask for in order to actually achieve any oversight. That means, the research was weapons-oriented even if not specifically designed to make weapons, and they deliberately hide the details.

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    Ted1

    For good or for bad, science justifies itself.

    It’s how people use it that matters.

    Sometimes that may mean who uses it.

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    Ross+Holding

    There’s a pub test here. If all the bioweapon/ bio labs / bio defence facilities are so harmless, why are there so many in overseas countries and not on US soil? Obviously, they’re not harmless.

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      Ted1

      Methinks the pluses outweigh the minuses.

      For one thing it keeps in touch with what the world is doing.

      And it broadens the intellectual base.

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    another ian

    “Something is deeply, dangerously wrong with US biological research overseas”

    https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2022/03/something-is-deeply-dangerously-wrong.html

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    UK-Weather Lass

    I watched and listened to Tucker Carlson’s take on this and really couldn’t believe that US politicians could be so damned stupid about being stupid. How dare they call Russian reporting misinformation when they have been caught lying through their teeth to their own citizens?

    The form card now suggests what has been claimed by this Administration as the truth (e.g. US Presidential election efficacy, Capitol Hill Insurrection) can now be fully doubted as being anything like the truth. The dishonest toerags that have brought US politics down to a new lowest ebb need to be locked up and the key needs to b thrown away. How bloody dare they think the rest of us don’t care what they do because many of government supporters are too thick to be able to think about it?

    Will the last western politician with any integrity left please turn out the lights when they leave the building. Trump’s on his way back but he’s pretty fuming about the mess you have left him.

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      another ian

      UK-Weather Lass

      A while ago (and I don’t have a link) Pointman noted that the Romans had a special hill for dealing with “persons of traitorous intention” in a manner that did not encourage rapid repetition of such events

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    another ian

    In travels today I heard Ray Hadley doing a froth about that hospital in the Ukraine that was shot up.

    Now IIRC the hospital patients had been shifted and the building taken over by troops.

    And then he put on a Wilburys song and one thing lead to another – the basis for an “I Am song”

    Title – The FIGJAM song

    Refrain – “Talking ’bout blatherskites”.

    I haven’t looked further as yet

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    Jeremy Poynton

    BBC Radio 5, 7am GMT this morning – words to this effect

    “Russia are claiming that biolabs in Ukraine contain BioWeapons, however there is no evidence for this”

    No explanation as to HOW they know this? Did they phone putin to check? Or the Ukrainians.

    Happily, this household stopped funding the BBC a good 15 years ago, and treat everything they pronounce with disbelief.

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    CHRIS

    The biggest problem with the Ukraine situation is to try and sift through the lies that are being broadcast to the world. Current update to the lie meter: Russia 95%, Ukraine 5%. Putin is the reincarnation of Stalin. The next country on his list is FINLAND (not the Baltic States, who are members of NATO). Finland wants to join NATO; Putin has threatened Finland with invasion if this happens. The Finns have hated the Russians for centuries (which is why they supported the Germans in WW2). While Putin lives, the threat of WW3 will not diminish.

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      Vene

      As a Finn I correct that that ‘Finns hate Russians’. There are people in Finland who hate Russians, of course. But I’m pretty sure that most of the Finns thinks that Russians are OK or even nice people. Even today.

      The Russia as a state is what Finns doesn’t like at all. Like Vaclav Havel have said the problem with Russia is that she doesn’t no where she starts and where she ends. I agree mr Havel. Russia seems to think that she has a right to give orders to her neighbours and she is eager to act that way.

      I think that what Russia hopes for Finland is that Finland stays neutral and have strong enough army that can fight any enemy of Russia that tries to use Finnish territory to attack Russia. Situation has been the same for centuries. We have ‘always’ been on that soon-to-be-invaded-countries list so there’s nothing new.

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    Erny72

    With luck, the Russian army will capture enough compelling evidence of this bio-weapons research and US connections to it and then hang that laundry out in public. For all the sanctimonious virtue signalling flying about the last fortnight, let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

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    SimonB

    It’s classic Russian technique to blame on the other guy what they are planning to do themselves…”
    Hahahaha! I guess the Dementiacrats would know, they’ve been using that to hone their cancel culture and character assassination of anyone who doesn’t tow the Marxist utopian line to bring down the US Capitalist Empire from the inside!

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