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What if Vitamin A could stop 70% of severe cases of Covid?

For anyone who is “vitamined-out” — ponder that the most important theme is not just about personally avoiding hospitalization, it’s Where the hell are our publicly funded universities? Does the Minister for Health serve the People, or Pfizer…

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Vitamin A was allegedly once called “ “the anti-infective vitamin” — a snappy title which didn’t stick with any biochem student beyond the end of the sentence. But it’s needed for your immune system to function normally, so it seems sort of obvious to ask “what if” we don’t have enough. Could taking more prevent people catching Covid or ending up in hospital, or dead?

As always, research in prevention and prophylaxis is a wasteland in the the Modern West. No one can profit from it and indeed if everyone got enough it could harm the prospects of shareholders of Pharmaceutical firms and Hospitals. But it appears we definitely don’t want to be short of it. About three quarters of people who end up in the severe ward of Covid hospitals were deficient.

Imagine a Minister of Health who embarked on a program to raise awareness, test and give out free supplements? Lordy! It might reduce hospital loads in a week?

Vitamin A makes our bones stronger, reduces wrinkles, may prevent cancer and stops us going blind. But it’s possible to eat too much —  especially if we dine out on polar bear livers or sled dogs. Seriously, overdosing for  pregnant women causes birth defects and trouble for anyone who really overdoes it.

Sighs of Vitamin A deficiency include dry skin, excsma, dry eyes, night blindness, infertility, chest infections, poor would healing, and acne. Though all of these can be caused by other things too. People who are anaemic and people with inflammatory bowel disease, fibrosis, liver trouble or pancreatitis are more likely to be deficient.

Our immune systems can’t work without it

Our white blood cells that catch some booty (like body-parts of germs) will turn up to show it off, and when they do they’ll ooze versions of Vitamin A which induces other immune cells to respond to their prize and mature and proliferate.  Vitamin A also manages to mobilize iron stocks to fill up the haemoglobulin molecules in baby red blood cells, something that makes them both red, and useful. It’s easy to imagine how extra red blood cells, and thus oxygen carrying capacity might be handy when dealing with a disease notorious for inducing low blood oxygen.

Vitamin A comes in meat, eggs and milk, but precursors (the carotenes) are found in leafy and colorful vegetables like spinach and carrots, so even vegetarians, in theory, ought to be getting enough of the building blocks so their livers can finish the job.

But a study in Spain showed that the sickest people with Covid were often the ones that were deficient. Three quarters of those admitted to hospital were deficient in zinc and Vitamin D, but nearly as many, 72%, were deficient in Vitamin A. And 42% were low in B6 (see Tomasa-Irriguible).

The problem with that kind of study is that we can’t be sure that the disease didn’t create the deficiency, and that the sickest people drained away their A and zinc in the process of getting sick. But from other studies we already know that Vitamin A is anti-inflammatory, as well as helping promote immunity. (Li et al) And that backing up a truck and giving super massive doses of 200,000IU to Covid patients appeared to save about two thirds of them from ending up with a severe disease. (see Al-Sumiadai).

Naturally, there aren’t many big good definitive studies in the West. We throw billions at patentable experiments, and our public universities, but no one is that interested in the ten-cent-nutrients that might reduce deaths by half. Though one large prospective study in the UK followed 15,000 people and found people taking Vitamin A and selenium supplements were quite a lot less likely to get a positive Covid result — odds were reduced by about 60% and 80%.  (Holt et al).

One small Iranian study gave a mixed bag of vitamins to 30 patients and estimates the risk of hospitalization was 40% less, and the risk of death was 90% less compared with 30 “controls”.  (It says something that we keep coming back to small Iranian studies, doesn’t it?)

That’s quite a bunch of vitamins Beigmohammadi used.

5,000 IU vitamin A daily, 600,000 IU vitamin D once, 300 IU of vitamin E twice a day, 500 mg vitamin C four times a day, and one ampule daily of B vitamins [thiamine nitrate [B1] 3.1 mg, sodium riboflavin phosphate 4.9 mg (corresponding to vitamin B2 3.6 mg), nicotinamide [B3] 40 mg, pyridoxine hydrochloride [B5] 4.9 mg (corresponding to vitamin B6 4.0 mg), sodium pantothenate [B6] 16.5 mg (corresponding to pantothenic acid 15 mg), sodium ascorbate 113 mg (corresponding to vitamin C 100 mg), biotin 60 μg, folic acid 400 μg, and cyanocobalamin [B12] 5 μg]. IRCT20200319046819N [1].

UPDATE: common vitamin names added [by me].

How useful is Vitamin A?

Just read the description of what vitamin A is used for in the immune system and try to imagine how well that will work in people who don’t have enough.

Vitamin A was initially coined “the anti-infective vitamin” because of its importance in the normal functioning of the immune system (23). The skin and mucosal cells, lining the airways, digestive tract, and urinary tract function as a barrier and form the body’s first line of defense against infection. Retinoic acid (RA) is produced by antigen-presenting cells (APCs), including macrophages and dendritic cells, found in these mucosal interfaces and associated lymph nodes. RA appears to act on dendritic cells themselves to regulate their differentiation, migration, and antigen-presenting capacity. In addition, the production of RA by APCs is required for the differentiation of naïve CD4 T-lymphocytes into induced regulatory T- lymphocytes (Tregs). Critical to the maintenance of mucosal integrity, the differentiation of Tregs is driven by all-trans-RA through RARα-mediated regulation of gene expression (see Regulation of gene expression). Also, during inflammation, all-trans-RA/RARα signaling pathway promotes the conversion of naïve CD4 T-lymphocytes into effector T-lymphocytes − type 1 helper T-cells (Th1) − (rather than into Tregs) and induces the production of proinflammatory cytokines by effector T-lymphocytes in response to infection. There is also substantial evidence to suggest that RA may help prevent the development of autoimmunity (reviewed in 24).

–Linus Pauling Institute

When deficient people get enough Vitamin A they also get more iron into their baby red blood cells.

…vitamin A supplementation in vitamin A deficient-individuals has been shown to increase hemoglobin concentrations. Additionally, vitamin A appears to facilitate the mobilization of iron from storage sites to the developing red blood cell for incorporation into hemoglobin, the oxygen carrier in red blood cells.

–Linus Pauling Institute

The RDA for adults is around 700 ug/day (women) and 900 ug/day (men). (That’s 2,333IU, and 3,000 IU).  It’s worth being tested before embarking on a long term supplement program, but otherwise, having a bottle on hand for respiratory infections and short term dosing is probably a good idea.

For perspective:  Chronic toxicity results from daily intakes greater than 25,000 IU for 6 years or longer and more than 100,000 IU for 6 months or longer.” That’s quite a high dose. Be wary of pate made from bearded seals, polar bears, walruses and moose.

If you eat too many carrots, you’ll only turn orange. Plants are low risk.

Many studies were listed at the excellent https://c19early.com/va.

REFERENCES

Tomasa-Irriguible, T.-M.; Bielsa-Berrocal, L.; Bordejé-Laguna, L.; Tural-Llàcher, C.; Barallat, J.; Manresa-Domínguez, J.-M.; Torán-Monserrat, P. Low Levels of Few Micronutrients May Impact COVID-19 Disease Progression: An Observational Study on the First Wave. Metabolites 2021, 11, 565.
https://doi.org/10.3390/ metabo11090565

Li R, Wu K, Li Y, Liang X, Tse WKF, Yang L, Lai KP. Revealing the targets and mechanisms of vitamin A in the treatment of COVID-19. Aging (Albany NY). 2020; 12:15784-15796. https://doi.org/10.18632/aging.103888

Al-Sumiadai et al., EurAsian Journal of Biosciences, 14:7347-7350

Hayley Holt et al (2021) Risk factors for developing COVID-19: a population-based longitudinal study (COVIDENCE UK) 
Beigmohammadi et al.,  (2021)The effect of supplementation with vitamins A, B, C, D, and E on disease severity and inflammatory responses in patients with COVID-19: a randomized clinical trial, Trials, doi:10.1186/s13063-021-05795-4
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130 comments to What if Vitamin A could stop 70% of severe cases of Covid?

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    Just+Thinkin'

    We must thank China and our inept Grubbnmnt
    for forcing us to find other alternatives.
    They could ban Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine
    but it’s a bit hard banning VITAMINS, especially the one
    that is sun induced.
    Thank you.
    Now, let us start LIVING again.
    Without all this interference.

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      GlenM

      I’m finding it hard to find Quercetin and Zinc in our local chemists. Others no doubt find the same. I had a back order for 3 lots of Quercetin but 2 were given to others when I went to collect. Anyway all I see around me is dopiness.

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        David Maddison

        Yes, quercetin has been hard to get for a long time. An Australian manufacturer assured me they would have new supplies in November but it never happened. I waited weeks for my last EBay order and am waiting for another now.

        On the bright side, as a zinc ionophore, the government has not yet banned it.

        Dr Zelenko recommends it for use in extreme Nanny States such as Australia where doctors will be deregistered, fined and possibly even go to gaol for prescribing it for covid treatment or prophylaxis.

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        Peter C

        Likewise I did not find Quercetin in the Chemist shop.

        However the health food shop had it. Two brand names:
        Herbs of Gold
        Orthoplex (Lymphodran plus)

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        Steve of Cornubia

        I buy mine from Amazon.

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      Anton

      but it’s a bit hard banning VITAMINS, especially the one
      that is sun induced.

      No problem, they just order us all to stay indoors. It’s called lockdown.

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      Mark Allinson

      ” … our inept Grubbnmnt …”

      Inept?

      Really?

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      acementhead

      “…but it’s a bit hard banning VITAMINS…”

      The Australian, and New Zealand, governments have no trouble banning anything that the medical mafia want banned. A friend moved from NZ to Aus in 1980. He could not get halibut oil capsules there. Banned. I used to take them to him as they were still available in NZ. About 1985 they were banned in NZ. They had been safely used in NZ for decades.

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    David Maddison

    I hadn’t heard about the connection of Vitamin D deficiency and COVID, Jo. Thanks for posting.

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      And of course, this post is about Vitamin A – or retinoic acid, though D3 or cholecalciferol, is probably the most important. Both fat soluble.

      I was surprised at how useful A might be. Needs during an infection are obviously high.

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      Hanrahan

      David, my daughter doesn’t listen to me normally but she did take my advice re D3 for her migraines. Greatly reduced them

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    David Maddison

    Just imagine a simple, cheap and safe “COVID prophylaxis” pill that contained Vit A, B, D, Zinc, HCQ, IVM, quercetin etc..

    It would very likely be at least as effective as the present vaccines on offer and probably more so, and certainly safer.

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      RossP

      That is effectively what Joe Rogan did, but as a treatment, not a prophylactic. He used IVM plus “over loaded on vitamins” as he put it.
      Of course the paid for MSM hammered him for saying it out loud.

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      Ross

      That’s sort of what the Indian authorities were trying to achieve with the Ziverdo kit. Except there was no Vitamin D included in it and they were all separate pills.

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        Ross+P

        El Salvadore did a similar things several months ago. They gave everyone a package with IVM and vitamins together with an instruction sheet, for people to put in their medicine cupboards or kits. Much cheaper than being extorted by Pfizer and Gates.

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    Enthalpy

    Vitamin A is often used in skin serums for its “anti-aging” effect and has been the one vitamin I have avoided supplementing with because it was portrayed as the most toxic. Perhaps it’s time to revisit the entire vitamin program and target optimum levels not minimum levels required to prevent severe illness.

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      NuThink

      In 1961 my biology teacher told us that during WW2 the British government wanted to hide the fact that they had Airborne Interception Radar, so said that the pilots of the RAF used to eat carrots to enhance their night sight, but it caused a problem as people became carrot gluttons.

      The Biology teacher told us too of the carotenemia and the toxicity.

      https://www.ceenta.com/news-blog/carrots-night-vision-and-world-war-ii

      There is a war time poster in the above link saying that eating carrots and leafy green or yellow vegetable can mean the difference between life and death because of night sight.

      It was 1940, and the German Luftwaffe was making regular air raids on the United Kingdom. Although the British Royal Air Force was successful in shooting down many German planes, blackouts were still in effect across the country to minimize the visibility of targets on the ground. But don’t worry, the British government said. If you eat carrots, they’ll help you see in the dark, just like they did for RAF Flight Lieutenant John “Cat’s Eyes” Cunningham. Cunningham was responsible for shooting down 20 German aircraft, and it was attributed to his love of carrots. The only problem with that? The British government made it up.

      Carrots do have medical value. They contain beta-carotene, which the body converts into vitamin A. Vitamin A is good for healthy eyesight. It helps the eye convert light into a signal that can be transmitted to the brain, allow people to see in low light, according to Scientific American. Conversely, a vitamin A deficiency could lead to nyctanopia, or night blindness. However, it would be extremely difficult to eat enough carrots to significantly improve your night vision. In fact, too much vitamin A could be toxic, and the body naturally regulates it to prevent a buildup to that level. On top of that, too much beta-carotene could result in carotenemia, a harmless condition that turns skin yellow or orange.

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        Graeme No.3

        There was also the minor factor that carrots were in good supply, unlike many other foods. Hence recipes for carrot pie put out by the Government.

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          Perhaps I should clarify. If we eat enough leafy greens and carrots and our livers are decently good, we will make enough Vitamin A, and have feedback loops that stop us making too much Vitamin A. So there is no danger of overdosing on A from too many carrots. Turning orange is unfortunate but not a medical condition.

          That said, I’m impressed enough to have already bought A tablets for use every now and again, and when/if I get sick. I did not realize our requirements might rise so dramatically during illness.

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            Peter C

            . I did not realize our requirements might rise so dramatically during illness.

            Jo,
            Can you clarify? When I read the post I did not understand that Vit A might need to be increased during illness. Is it used up somehow?

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              Macrophages et al are pumping out during antigen presentation to get recognition and proliferation of other immune cells. How much slower is the amplification of our white blood cell army if supplies of A are limited?

              Read the quote I grabbed from the Linus Pauling site in the latter half. There is a lot going on there. T-cell activation. Then also the production of new red blood cells.

              Vitamin A was initially coined “the anti-infective vitamin” because of its importance in the normal functioning of the immune system (23). The skin and mucosal cells, lining the airways, digestive tract, and urinary tract function as a barrier and form the body’s first line of defense against infection. Retinoic acid (RA) is produced by antigen-presenting cells (APCs), including macrophages and dendritic cells, found in these mucosal interfaces and associated lymph nodes. RA appears to act on dendritic cells themselves to regulate their differentiation, migration, and antigen-presenting capacity. In addition, the production of RA by APCs is required for the differentiation of naïve CD4 T-lymphocytes into induced regulatory T- lymphocytes (Tregs). Critical to the maintenance of mucosal integrity, the differentiation of Tregs is driven by all-trans-RA through RARα-mediated regulation of gene expression (see Regulation of gene expression). Also, during inflammation, all-trans-RA/RARα signaling pathway promotes the conversion of naïve CD4 T-lymphocytes into effector T-lymphocytes − type 1 helper T-cells (Th1) − (rather than into Tregs) and induces the production of proinflammatory cytokines by effector T-lymphocytes in response to infection. There is also substantial evidence to suggest that RA may help prevent the development of autoimmunity (reviewed in 24).

              …vitamin A supplementation in vitamin A deficient-individuals has been shown to increase hemoglobin concentrations. Additionally, vitamin A appears to facilitate the mobilization of iron from storage sites to the developing red blood cell for incorporation into hemoglobin, the oxygen carrier in red blood cells.

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                Thank you Jo, that really helps understanding our vitamin needs and also reinforces the idea of revisiting the research of the past for new opportunities in health maintenance

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            Turning orange is unfortunate but not a medical condition.

            It might however be a “bad” political condition. 🙂

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    Macspee

    You mentioned Vitamin K2 a while back but I missed the reasons. Can it remove unwanted/needed calcium deposits?

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      K2 is important for both normal blood clotting and also to make sure calcium goes into bones instead of arteries. Obviously, we don’t want stiff arteries and floppy bones. 🙂

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    Lawrie

    My daughter introduced me to supplements in 1996 including Glucosomine because I was having trouble with my knees. The doctor who gave me my discharge medical said I would need two new knees in the next few years. I am still on the old ones 30 years later thanks to bulls ears or shark cartilage. The supplements, a generic mixture of vitamins and minerals, has served me well for about 40 cents a day. So good in fact they should be paid for by my health fund since it saves them a pile. Vitamin A @ 2500 IU and Vitamin D @ 600 IU. It’s a good thing it is available locally since there is a paucity of polar bears here on the Mid North Coast.

    Happy New Year to you all. 2022 will be the turning point year away from socialism as the people take back control here, hopefully, and in the US when the MAGA Republicans take over the House and Senate. It will also be a crucial year for the climate scam as Europe freezes with little power and heat causing the unwashed to rebel. North America might be in similar trouble.

    Greater reliance on the free press is seeing more people being made aware of the lies by politicians and “scientists”. The Gateway Pundit, for example, has had just shy of one BILLION views this year. That indicates a move away from the MSM that will be permanent. Sites like Jo’s are vital for the truth to be promulgated.

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      Tel

      Yeah, Glucosomine is great … I had knee problems when I was younger and completely turned it around with Glucosomine and fish oil. The other good things are hexagonal tripe (acquired taste but ok once you can figure out how to cook it properly) and the Chinese make a dish called “Shank and Tendon soup” which pretty much does what it says on the box. I wish I had got into these much sooner, but there you go, hopefully the information might be useful to others.

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    Don B

    Remember when Hank Aaron and Marvin Hagler died after taking the Covid “vaccination”? And we were told there was absolutely no possibility that the vaccinations caused the deaths?

    It is time for a revisit of those deaths and an analysis of the huge numbers of deaths in this fully vaccinated world.

    Doctors have concluded that the mRNA shots are killing people. And Fauci wants to mandate shots for air travel!!

    https://doctors4covidethics.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/end-covax.pdf 

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    TedM

    Another useful post to add to my DIY covid19 kit. Thanks Jo.

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    David Maddison

    I find it disturbing that Government medical authorities and the clueless politicians who uncritically follow their “advice” pay zero attention to micronutrient status of people as it applies to covid, e.g. Vitamin A, D and zinc.

    Then I realise, this isn’t about health. It’s about control.

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    Curious George

    This was a single-blinded study on 60 subjects. These will become more popular in the environments of diversity, equity, and inclusion.

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    If you eat a balanced diet then supplements are not required. That’s the message i am getting from reading this post.

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      David Maddison

      And yet, despite a reasonable diet in Western countries many people can still be deficient in Vitamin D, for example. Hence almost everyone should be taking Vitamin D or at least having their serum levels monitored.

      Of course, most Vitamin D comes from sun exposure but that can also be deficient in countries like Australia due to extensive lockdowns and in which there are campaigns against sun exposure due to the risk of skin cancer.

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        David Maddison

        Also, typical recommended vitamin D levels in Western countries are set to prevent rickets, but not other diseases or susceptibilities associated with Vitamin D deficiency which requires higher levels.

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        Steve of Cornubia

        Using sun lotion, even if you DO spend time outdoors, inhibits the production of vit D. Also, older people, by virtue of their age but also due to going outdoors less, can be deficient even if their diet is good.

        for these reasons and more, I firmly believe the only measure of vit D sufficiency is regular blood tests.

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        Great+Aunt+Janet

        Downloaded the free DMinder app today and set it up to measure how much sun exposure I’m getting and how much Vit D I am making for myself. Sun vit D is available immediately, whereas oral vit D takes weeks to be available.

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          Steve of Cornubia

          I assume the phone has to be exposed to sunlight? If so, it wouldn’t work for me because i have my phone either in a pocket or in my bag when I’m outside. Would be great otherwise.

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      Hanrahan

      The apple you buy today bears little resemblance to those in the Garden of Eden.

      Most of us here are past our engineered life span over the millennia. Be selective by all means but do your research and supplement.

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      tom0mason

      …but the problem Farmerphil is that too many people just survive by consuming over-processed muck that is advertised as some form of food or drink.

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      Ozwitch

      As you get older your ability to process nutrients decreases. Vitamins can plug that gap for older people, or those with compromised systems in various areas.
      I used to think the same as you until my doctor revealed my regular kidney stones were caused by poor calcium absorption and recommended supplement treatment.
      I now take Vit C D curcumin, lysine, zinc, black cumin seed, and olive leaf extract and feel better than I have for years. My diet hasn’t changed much but I get way more value out of it.I’ll add more carrots now too lol.

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    John+R+Smith

    What if eating well, exercising, getting sufficient sleep, the the avoidance of ingesting and injecting a continuous stream of too clever by half manufactured substances into your body, and not being a paranoid neurotic, would protect you from a severe case of Covid?
    Radical, I know.
    But, my exercise doesn’t work unless everyone is exercising.
    Everyone must believe in witches or else there will be witches.

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    Klem

    If I consume more vitamin A, I won’t Need to wear a mask or social distance, and I won’t Need a vaxx passport. Sweet!

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    Kalm Keith

    “As always, research in prevention and prophylaxis is a wasteland in the the Modern West”.

    This became apparent to me twenty years ago during a uni neuropsychology course.

    Study of vlf pulsing in many occupations such as driving heavy mining equipment, locomotives and some factories showed a link to health issues and heart trouble.

    The interesting thing was that all the research was from non western countries and nothing could be found from countries which had occupational health and safety regulations that might lead to the employer being found to be negligent.

    It looked dodgy at the time and the nausea problems associated with wind turbine was an easy link.

    The very low frequency pulsing from wind turbines is dangerous, but here in the west those pushing the renewables have gone to great lengths to label the turbine problem as “noise” and mislead us.

    When money is involved, the truth can often be hard to find.

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    Tides of Mudgee

    Two thoughts floating through my head currently. This pandemic has very obviously split the population into two distinct camps and I call them “The great unwashed” and “The great brainwashed”. Also, for those who sometimes refer to the latest strain as Omnicron, (I’m speaking to you, TV newsreaders) a good way of remembering it is to say it in the same way you’d say “Oh…My….God!!!”. Say “O…Mi…Cron!!!”. Just sayin’. ToM

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    Philip

    Well I get plenty of that so no problem there. I was reading Nigella Sativa is an Ivermectin substitute. Readily available. Its that and mouthwash to get today, I have the nose thing.

    If only Gladys and Brad could have run a chook raffle properly, we’d still be virus free perhaps.

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      Fast Bowler

      Read this paper on NS
      https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34407441/

      It seemed effective for early stage treatment, far better than the control group. Worth buying before our hapless ‘friends’ at the TGA declare it a dangerous substance and either ban it from all retailers or label it as horse medicine.

      By the way have any horses contracted CV? Why are they allowed to race unmasked?

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    Lance

    “It is Dangerous to be Right, when the Government is Wrong”. François-Marie Arouet, aka: Voltaire

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    Ross

    What COVID has reinforced for me is the poor lifestyle and diet choices of the western world. Most western countries have an extremely diverse, cheap supply of high quality foods supplied year round by hard working farmers and fishers. In Australia all those wonderful foods are supplied by a plethora of supermarkets and other outlets/ shops. Everyone should be eating a varied diet which should adequately supply all the vitamins and nutrients we need to perform as human beings. But nothing in excess, as my 101 yo grandmother would have said. Maybe as we get older it’s harder to absorb and metabolise all those nutrients. So that’s what a multivitamin pill is for. I’ve got a post infection flu/ cold/ Covid kit of some of those nutrients, but I’m not going to great lengths to take them prophylactically. Otherwise life is too complicated and we need to continually apply the KISS principle.

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      Klem

      Your 101 year old grandma obviously reached that age by practicing yoga, eating tofu, drinking bottled water and jogging 5 kms per day. Just like all old people do, right?

      As one nutritionist life-coach once told me “you reach old age through lifestyle choices, genetics plays no part.”

      Even after receiving that sage advice, I still didn’t buy her health program. How silly of me.

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    KP

    “What COVID has reinforced for me is the poor lifestyle and diet choices of the western world. ” WHAT! You mean there’s something wrong with spuds that have been sprayed with cancerous chemicals to stop them growing more spuds, so they just grow bigger spuds, and then sprayed with Roundup to kill the green tops so they can be easily harvested by machine.. Wheat that is sprayed with Roundup to make it all appear ripe at the same time, or any of the grains treated like that??

    Any processed food (which means anything you don’t grow yourself!) will be mucked about with to make it look good, last a long time, travel well, never go rotten, grow fast and cheaply, preferably by hydroponics in a solution of synthetic chemicals, and any nutrient value will be washed out of it in the process!

    We have made food fast and convenient, but it is no longer food for our bodies. Synthetic chemicals masquerading as vitamins will not replace real food.

    People eat MacDonalds… really? ..and they blame a new cold for killing people. Its not the virus, its the people! If nothing else, Covid has shown me how many people “have” a doctor, yet never ask themselves why they are so sick.

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      Kalm Keith

      The first paragraph is a real eye opener.

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        TedM

        Not sure about the first paragraph KK. I know a number of potato growers and have never heard of roundup being used on the crop. In fact the spuds will still grow, leave then in the pantry too long and they sprout, plant them and they will grow.

        They do spray the crops of seed potatoes so they don’t get too big, but they are seed otatoe they will still grow. If roundup was used they would be useless.

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      Peter C

      If all this stuff is so bad, how come lifespans in the western world are so long?

      You an eat pest shriveled food in Tibet, or parts of Africa or South America and have a shorter and harder life.

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        roman

        It’s about nutrient density. And modern methods make lots but its nutrient ‘light’. I read some time ago that today’s store bought apples have something like a quarter of the nutrients of apples originally (though yeah the olde apples were probably a little more wormy). Can’t verify but, it’s safe to assume that if it’s not grown for nutrition then nutritian is probably not what’s it got. So take your pills. 🙂

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        John+R+Smith

        “If all this stuff is so bad, how come lifespans in the western world are so long?”

        Almost all improvement in life span ‘average’… bloody averages again, are due to improvements in childhood mortality.
        One of the reasons my grandparents had 6 to 10 kids and my parents had 2.
        Access to nearby shock trauma also helps, especially since shock trauma is one of the view places modern medicine is doing really well.
        They had lot’s of practice on the 20th century.
        I think the CDC is now recommending 60 or more vexes for children.
        That average may start going down in the next decades.

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    OldOzzie

    The Brave New World of Athletes’ Heart Problems

    The taboo pandemic. – Wed Dec 29, 2021

    One of the world’s best soccer players recently and inadvertently issued a frightening warning to the world, though neither he nor the world probably recognize it as such.

    Argentina’s Sergio Aguero announced his retirement Dec. 15 after suffering a heart attack six weeks earlier during a game. While playing for FC Barcelona on Oct. 31, Aguero bent at the waist, experienced breathing problems, grabbed his lungs, lay on his back and received treatment from trainers before going to the hospital, where doctors diagnosed him with an irregular heartbeat.

    Aguero is not alone. This year, more than 300 athletes around the world — some as young as 12 — collapsed unexpectedly, mostly due to heart problems. Nearly 200 of them died.

    What did they have in common? The vast majority, if not all of them, received the experimental COVID-19 vaccines based on mRNA spike proteins. That relationship appears not to be coincidental, despite attempts to dismiss the possibility.

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    STJOHNOFGRAFTON

    Seems like just about anything is cheaper, safer and more effective than mRNA jabs.

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    greggg

    Vitamin A and nebulized salbutamol and budesonide 86% effective against covid mortality.

    ‘A cross-sectional and retrospective study was done on two groups of
    patients with severe COVID-19 in isolation centers in Anbar governorate. The first group was patients
    with severe COVID-19 given two doses of vitamin A (200,000 I.U.) for two days from the first day of
    admission and three doses per day of salbutamol and budesonide nebulizers.’
    ‘In a second group, the data was collected from files of patients
    with severe COVID-19 previously admitted to isolated centers and not receiving vitamin A’
    ‘Regarding the death rate among the two groups,
    there was two reported death (2.86%) among first group
    patients who were received vitamin A and nebulizers.
    While there was 14 reported death (20%) among the
    second group who was not received vitamin A’

    http://ejobios.org/download/therapeutic-effect-of-vitamin-a-on-severe-covid-19-patients-8517.pdf

    The same dose of Vitamin A is given for measles.

    ‘There was a 64% reduction in the risk of mortality in children who were given two doses of 200,000 IU of vitamin A (RR=0.36; 95% CI 0.14 to 0.82) as compared to placebo. Two doses of water based vitamin A were associated with a 81% reduction in risk of mortality (RR=0.19; 95% CI 0.02 to 0.85) as compared to 48% seen in two doses of oil based preparation (RR=0.52; 95% CI 0.16 to 1.40).’

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11869601/

    ‘Vitamin A and immunity to viral, bacterial and protozoan infections’

    https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/S0029665199000944

    Large doses of Vitamin D can deplete Vitamin A – taking a cod liver oil capsule or Vitamin A supplement when taking Vitamin D will protect against deficiency.

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      Peter C

      A problem with the study is that Vit A was not given alone. The patients were also treated with salbutamol and busonide.
      The improvement was attributed to VitA, but could oit be due to one or both of the other components?

      Similar for Beigmohammadi et al., quoted in Jo’s post. They iseds a host of Vitamins, not just Vit A.

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    RobB

    Link to a video on telegram:

    https://t.me/c/1234685602/211384

    explains how your tax dollars fund commercial TV stations to spread covid propaganda

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    Mark Allinson

    “The problem with that kind of study is that we can’t be sure that the disease didn’t create the deficiency, and that the sickest people drained away their A and zinc in the process of getting sick …”

    Interesting to note that a common sign of a Covid infection is loss of the sense of smell, which is also one of the signs of a depleted zinc supply.

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    Hanrahan

    cyanocobalamin.

    If the “cyano” sounds familiar, that’s because it is. The preferred form of B12 is methylcobalamin sublingually as a lozenge. It is one of my favourite vitamins and antioxidant.

    Why do we always come back to steak and eggs? What is the hospitalisation/death rate for vegans?

    When all this started my advice was to BBQ steak sunning yourself around the pool drinking gin and tonic. Little has changed.

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      STJOHNOFGRAFTON

      Best advice ever. Bio-Fe from the steak, sterilizing UV from the sunning, anti-viral/bacterial from the gin and of course quinine from the tonic stimulates ACE2 receptors to block the baddies. Almost the fountain of youth!

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    Macha

    Nothing beats a cold bottle of water with a barocca tablet for all them vitamin Bs, Zn etc.

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    Michael

    I suspect this is not going to be popular but I feel I need to sound a note of caution here. The reality is that Covid was (and maybe still is) a serious disease that can kill or make one seriously ill. It is not trivial.
    So far I have read here about betadine, vitamin D3, hydroxychloroquine, Ivermectin, vitamin A, zinc and possibly others I have forgotten; all being sure fire cures the establishment is too stupid to credit.
    These posts are starting to sound like the sort of suggestions bandied about for weight loss miracle treatments but its not like a weight loss treatment.
    If it does not work its not a case of saying oh well I tried, adopting one of these strategies could mean risking your life and when you or your loved one is gasping for breath on a hospital bed its too late to change. For covid one needs some really good surety that its going to work and I dont think its just as simple as taking vitamin supplements.

    A government could not possibly act on every such hypothesis. They do have a duty of care and people expect that when they make a recommendation they have good evidence to back it up. So they need to go with treatments that they know are going to work. Not just jump onto every possible idea raised. Trotting out too many suggestions eventually destroys ones credibility. There is some evidence for vitamin D3 and possibly Ivermectin – maybe just stick with them.

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      Peter C

      You are right that many treatments have been proposed and discussed. No one said they were “sure fire cures”.

      Yes people do and should expect that when our health departments make recommendations that they have good evidence to back it up.
      If only they did have such evidence. Yet they rushed ahead with a strategy for lock downs followed by mass vaccination before such evidence was available.
      Now the evidence is in and the strategy is not looking good. Vaccines have very limited effectiveness, which wanes rapidly. Even worse they kill or maim a lot of people.

      On top of all that effective treatments such as Ivermectin were banned, apparently to encourage more vaccination.
      The evidence for Ivermectin is now over whelming.

      If there is any justice Brad Hazard and few others should be going to Jail (esp some people in the TGA).

      I see nothing wrong with poly pharmacy, especially since we are not allowed to have Ivermectin (apart from a lucky few who have obtained a supply).

      Does too many suggestions destroy ones credibility? I think not.
      The blog is first and foremost a sciency discussion forum, not a source of medical advice.

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        Michael, thanks for the feedback. Clearly I haven’t made the most important message obvious enough, though I thought the satirical style was better than harping on. This isn’t a “weight loss” wish list. If you don’t find the evidence I posted on Vitamin A compelling, the bigger more important question is why haven’t we done bigger better studies? Where the hell are our publicly funded universities and where is our “Minister for Health”?

        This is arguably the biggest failure and worst corruption of government and academia in our lifetimes. Perhaps the establishment are being randomly “stupid”, but many people make $b profits from punters who believe vitamins/unpatentable natural compounds are ineffective and irrelevant. Yeah? “Just eat well” and be happy that your doc and hospital don’t mention Vit D, C, B6, B12, B1 and will be glad to put you on a ventilator instead.

        Do black lives matter or are they just government-funded organic matter filling hospital coffers at $5k a day?

        It’s not just about how we can reduce our chances of being hospitalized (whether vaxxed or not vaxxed). The most important thing — and the reason I’m only going to do more more and more, relentlessly, — is that our governments are not even studying them, let alone recommending them, testing them, raising awareness of them, or solving basic nutrient deficiencies.

        The incentives in our government run health systems and universities are so fundamentally corrupt that people are dying due to deficiencies in cheap nutrients.

        Self evidently the Minister for Health obviously serves the pharmaceutical industry more than the People.

        What is evil if not this?

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          TedM

          I think you have done just fine Jo. I for one appreciate the honesty, the information and particularly love the satire.

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          Kalm Keith

          Wow!

          Why don’t you say a few words Jo!

          It would be hard to miss the message in that.

          “They” have ignored the dictum; first, do no harm; and while that may primarily be associated with medicine, it specifically applies to government in this situation.

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          Peter C

          Mea Culpa (My Mistake)
          It is advice, just not from the medical profession.

          Yes it is evil indeed.

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          Michael

          Hi Jo; I agree with much of what you said. For example, I think Ivermectin deserves a careful study and it is a tragedy that this has not happened. Most of the critical data I have seen discounts it on the basis it is “not proven”. Thats not “it does not work” but rather “we dont know for sure it does”. So go find out is my reply.

          However, I think it is better to pick the best chance and push that, if you cant get one study carried out you have even less chance advocating for multiple studies. To me the best “alternative strategy” against covid is D3 and Ivermectin.

          In my view, the government banned Ivermectin for entirely unsound reasons. Interestingly Dr John Campbell reviewed the governments stated reasons and came to the same conclusion – its well worth listening to his utube video on the subject – ivermectin in australia. He has several other videos on Ivermectin, again worth watching.

          Not related to Covid, I also think further studies of K2 are warranted.
          Another vitamin we are probably deficient in despite our western diet. One study I read suggested supplementation with D3 and K2 is as effective against osteoporosis as fosamax (the drug of choice up till prolia came out a few years ago). Given that arterial disease (calcification) is the largest cause of death and the suggestion K2 mediates between calcium deposition in bones vs arteries it would seem to make such a study really relevant.

          By the way, I dont think its only government remiss in this area, many doctors are hostile to alternative therapies. For example, before I started to take K2 I asked 3 doctors for their advice (a GP an endocrinologist and a cardiologist). All 3 were dismissive of the idea none were interested in the supportive literature. But then if we advocate something and it does not work there are no consequences but if a doctor does it they can get sued. Quite a difference.

          In an environment as uncertain as covid treatments, an open mind and a willingness to investigate is important. I am certainly not critical of your efforts to push that narrative, I just think a broad spray of alternatives dilutes the message.

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            Kalm Keith

            As Jo says, this is about survival, and the more useful options for treatment the better.

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              Before John Campbell reviewed the TGA decision there was Jo, 🙂 days ahead:
              https://joannenova.com.au/2021/09/tga-bans-largely-safe-drug-because-people-might-not-get-vaxed/

              Glad to see we are on mostly the same track Michael.

              The Government need to be squeezed first on D3 where the evidence is strongest. And squeezed to explain why they aren’t doing the studies.

              Meanwhile, readers who face Covid, cancer, heart disease, anything, may want to know it’s not just D3 and ivermectin where the Healthcare system is failing them. Those who are deficient in A need to know that no matter how much D3 and ivermectin they take, they may still end up on a ventilator if they don’t fix the retinoic acid problem too.

              Is it worth spending a few hundred dollars on Antihistamines, D3, A, C, K2, Povidone gargles, Carageenan sprays, Zinc, Selenium, B6, B12, Melatonin, Quercetin, Curcumin, if it keeps people out of hospital in a system that now may be hostile to patients who make their own choices? I think so.

              A layered response to Covid is a “Swiss Cheese” defense. There are holes in every layer and no guarantees.

              Some people won’t know they have been exposed to Covid, they will miss the prophylactic early day advantage. Some are still catching Delta, the nasty variant. Some will have genes that they don’t realize put them at higher risk. Some readers are 90. They deserve every useful option. And people have already written to me saying how D3 or other nutrients have solved their heart arrhythmia, their long term rash, or some other unrelated thing.

              To a biochemist, saying that one or two vitamins that work “will do” is like asking an engineer why they can’t keep an engine running forever with 1,000 spark plugs.

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                Michael

                Jo; I think the debate is shifting the ground dramatically. If individuals think Vitamin A will help them by all means take it. It is freely available over the counter and is cheap. Similarly with zinc, vitamin D etc. Personally I believe in at least a level of individual responsibility. That means making choices for oneself. To this end I take vitamin D3 K2 and zinc. No one tries to stop me doing so. I also try to take a scientific approach getting tests to see what difference the supplements make. My doctor supports me in that so I know each 1000 IU of virtamin D3 raises my blood level by about 25-30 nmol/L. Zinc supplementation by contrast makes almost no difference to blood levels clearly zinc in extremely well buffered in the body. Unfortunately there are no tests for K2, my doctor tried to find one for me, so I dont know what my levels are or whether supplementation makes a difference. Thats a problem.

                But that is not what this debate was about. It was about what the government tests and advocates and far more importantly what it allows and enforces.

                People reasonably have an expectation that government establishes a policy that keeps the populace as safe as possible. They do not have an obligation to become a research organisation testing each and every treatment option raised. On that basis vaccines seem like a reasonable approach along with steroids, ventilation, etc for serious hospitalisations.

                However in this case I agree there are problems. Specifically it appears governments are too quick to ban treatment options that might be effective- such as ivermectin- and too quick to enforce treatments that might have problems-such as pfizer vaccine.

                It is clear that covid vaccines are not vaccines in the traditional sense. They do not stop you getting it nor spreading it but they do lessen the severity. That makes them prophylactic treatments in my book but there is strong evidence that they work in that context and are thus worthwhile. Problem is that like all bioactive substances they have side effects and risks. Real risk for astrazenica is clots; for pfizer it is damage to the heart (both short term and long term) and the evidence in regard to that risk seems to be increasing. Given that, forcing the population to take pfizer is unjustified. I am strongly in favour of vaccination but I am strongly opposed to mandatory vaccination. The claim that its to stop people becoming “typhoid marys” does not hold water since the vaccine does not prevent that. I also note that they are close to banning astrazenica on the basis of blood clots and less effectiveness yet latest findings from England are that it just might be more effective and the blood clot risk might be less than the myocarditis risk. To that end I am triple vaccinated but I made use of a special clause in ATAGI directives to get AZ not pfizer for all 3.

                Similarly I am opposed to the government banning a reasonably safe medication that might help – ivermectin. I think the attitude of Japan where it is allowed but not officially endorsed is a better, safer approach.

                I dont expect a government to research every possibility, I do expect them to give me their best advice but leave me some freedom of choice to do what I think is best in my interest.

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                Kalm Keith

                “People reasonably have an expectation that government establishes a policy that keeps the populace as safe as possible.”

                Good point. The softening up.

                Then,

                “I dont expect a government to research every possibility, I do expect them to give me their best advice”.

                Can you not see the contradiction in that.

                Of course you can.

                No doubt you work in Canberra but not in our scientific and research organizations, CSIRO and CSL, which government shut down years ago.

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                Michael

                Jo, apologies for not mentioning your priority in reviewing the TGA decisions. I simply listened to John Campbells dissertation more recently than reading yours so it stuck in my mind more. With regard to much of the rest of your comments, they really relate to conventional medicine vs alternative medicine which is a debate that has been going on for decades. I have sympathies for both schools but one needs to recognise that doctors/governments have different responsibilities. Alternative medicine practitioners can happily recommend unproven treatments with impunity. If they dont work no one gets too upset but doctors do not have that freedom.

                For example, you may well take the advice of alternative medicine as to diet and supplements to avoid getting cancer but if you get a serious cancer, despite taking the supplements, and go to an oncologist do you expect he is going to talk about how changing diet might help or do you expect him to schedule radiation/chemo/immuno therapy. If he doesn’t, instead advocating vitamin supplements, and the cancer gets worse not better do you think there is a risk he will get sued for negligence?

                To me the big problem at present is that the government is forcing people to take medication that may well harm or even kill them, if not now then a few years in the future. It may be with the best intentions but to me its uncomfortably close to taking action which directly leads to foreseeable death.

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                Michael,
                ” They do not have an obligation to become a research organisation testing each and every treatment option raised.”

                So here’s the thing — if there are no profits in researching vitamins and unpatentable old drugs, and the government funded research groups “don’t have an obligation to research them”, who does?

                I presume We The People could donate to Charities that might do that research, but if the media, the government funded universities and all the Big Pharma keep telling the people how irrelevant old drugs and vitamins are, then the charities will never arise.

                I put it to you that Government funded university researchers do not deserve government funding if they are not the ones researching the things that private research cannot profit from.

                Why do we have a public sector at all, if not to research the things the private sector won’t research?

                Sack them all. Cancel public funds. Close university research, and just call them Colleges and Degree mills.

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                Michael,
                And – by golly, no apology necessary. I was being cheeky. Campbell is a good man.

                For example, you may well take the advice of alternative medicine as to diet and supplements to avoid getting cancer but if you get a serious cancer, despite taking the supplements, and go to an oncologist do you expect he is going to talk about how changing diet might help or do you expect him to schedule radiation/chemo/immuno therapy. If he doesn’t, instead advocating vitamin supplements, and the cancer gets worse not better do you think there is a risk he will get sued for negligence?

                This is another whole leap again. My frustration is that even if the oncologist was 100% dedicated the studies haven’t been done. Of course they can only work with “the known risks” and I would expect nothing less.

                Sometimes vitamins and antioxidants work against cancer therapies, they can even protect cancer cells against radiation etc. Obviously it all needs proper trials.

                BTW: Best hints I have read are that fasting before Chemo may be a big winner. By shutting down healthy cells we protect them against the toxic cancer drugs, which makes the drugs more effective against cancer cells (which don’t slow down) and also stops healthy cells dying.

                My big lament is that the out of patent drugs and natural old remedies sometimes are as powerful as patented pharmaceuticals,but they have no champion, and sit there unstudied for lack of profits…

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            red edwards

            Michael, the idea is the concept “defense in depth”. One treatment may (or may not) work for an individual. But layering several has a much better chance of the totality being effective.

            Example.
            1st line being Vit D3 taken to a level that get one to 50-60 ng/ml. That probably provides a fair amount of protection. (Considering Vit A now)
            2nd line being Carrageenen nasal spray x3 daily. (It’s a mechanical blocker of all nasal viruses – a totally different protective method.)
            3rd line (if available) ivermectin + Zinc. Direct attack on COVID virus. (alternates are Quercetin, HCQ, EGCG, any always with zinc.)
            4th line If after above, one is symptomatic – antihistamine and lactoferrin.

            What does this take from a lifestyle aspect? 3-4 small pills (once a day) and giving yourself a nasal spray shot (x3 – Morning, noon, and night.)
            100% effective? Of course not! Neither is the jab.

            (There are other things you can use Jo mentions them, as well. These are the ones I am comfortable with. . . .)

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              Michael

              relpy to kalm keith 11.24 on the 30th; No kalm I don’t see any contradiction in what I said. If I go to the doctor with say a rash, I expect him to prescribe a treatment from the ones known to work starting with the most common treatment and if that doesn’t work moving on to alternatives – ie: giving me the best advice. I do not expect he is going to say , hmmm Joe Blogs suggested an alternative treatment maybe wait while I do some research on that to find out if he is right or not. Practicing doctors are not research centres and neither are governments.

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                Kalm Keith

                So, you concede that you work in Canberra; just as I thought.

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                Michael

                No Kalm, I have never worked in Canberra. I spent 40+ years working as a research engineer for a large multinational spectroscopy company in Melbourne. Over that time I authored around 20 successful patents most of which came about by identifying errors in “established wisdom” and capitalising on that. I am sure Jo can tell you that I am anything but a government supporter but I do believe in objectivity and the scientific method.

                I am now retired and in case you ask, I am strongly critical of CAGW.

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                Kalm Keith

                O.K.
                Thanks for the reply.

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                Yes, I have only just realized which Michael, Michael is. (Sorry Michael). I can verify that he is absolutely a skeptic, has the patents. He’s a high caliber player with a long history. Take him at his word.

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          Hanrahan

          Jo, the pressure MUST be relentless. It would be a crying shame if, after all this pain, there was no gain.

          We must have a Royal Commission into what was and what might have been. If honest it will recommend public funding of research into health, not sickness, and nutrition, not patented drugs. This funding should be redirected uni funds but they would be free to bid to do the research. Knowledge gained may halve [?] diabetes, heart attacks, seasonal flu, allergies etc, maybe even cancer. I believe better nutrition and supplementation can reduce them all.

          And we already know so much about IVM [in particular but not only] that placebo controlled trials SHOULD not be able to pass ethics examination. Everything on our wish list here has a long history of safety so there is absolutely no reason why hospitals and clinics cannot begin trials of multi drug regimens immediately.

          Eisenhower warned about the military/industrial complex but didn’t he also warn of the dangers of government funded science? St. Ike.

          OK I accept the contradiction: Trying to correct the perils of government funded science with government funding but it makes sense to me anyway. 🙂

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          Fran

          The fact that various nutritional supplements have larger than expected effects probably reflects the fact that those particularly vulnerable are most likely to have undiagnosed deficiencies. Here the food in hospitals and care facilities are almost inedible. The composition is mandated by the government “nutrition guide” and further ruined by bulk cooking in distant factories. Even better homes that have kitchens cannot do things like increase eggs or butter or salt. I would bet that most of the group with very high mortality (the aged). In the obese, one would expect relative deficiencies of fat soluble vitamins because of straight forward dilution into fat cells.

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        TedM

        Well said Peter C.

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        Peter C

        Michael,

        I gave you the green thumb for raising the issues, which are valid.

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        Michael

        Peter; I dont have a major problem with most of your comments but to tackle your last paragraph – do too many suggestions destroy ones credibility? Yes to some degree I think it does. If someone comes to me saying here is a solution to a problem I listen but if that person comes to me saying here is a solution, and if that does not work here is another and another and another it suggests to me they themselves have no confidence in what they are advocating. After all one only needs one solution not several so give me your best thought and lets test that.

        If Ivermectin (and D3) works as well as claimed why do we need any other solution. Ivermectin is certainly cheap enough and made in countless ton lots in India.

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          Hanrahan

          Heaven forbid you get diagnosed with cancer, but if you were to be so unfortunate would you want your oncologist to offer half a dozen treatments: Pick one, or do you want him/her offer a combination of proven treatments?

          Some of the treatments we talk about are either/or, quercertin INSTEAD of HCQ eg. They are both ionophores for zn so any protocol would only have one, depending on availability.

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          Peter C

          Ok, Thanks Michael,

          So we cut to the chase.

          After all one only needs one solution not several so give me your best thought and lets test that. If Ivermectin (and D3) works as well as claimed why do we need any other solution.

          Well what is claimed?

          First here is the reference which Jo has referred to indirectly;
          https://c19early.com/

          You see a lot of potential Covid treatments are listed:

          None of them are 100% effective.
          We can write off the first 4 because there are very few trials and no one have heard of them.
          No.5 is Casivirmab which I take to be a monoclonal antibody treatment, hence hideously expensive and unavailable outside of a hospital (and probably not even there)

          The available treatments start at Ivermectin (65% improvement) followed by Melatonin (64% improvement) and then on down.

          You can actually get Melatonin from the Chemist. It is non prescription but is available on request. So put some aside for when you need it. Then add some of the others (Vit D, Vit C, Zinc (with Quercetin) etc.

          At the bottom of the list they say:

          Protocols typically combine multiple treatments which may be complementary and synergistic

          Almost every study agrees that early treatment is best. So hit the COVID hard at the start of your illness with as many treatment as you can (complementary and synergistic).

          It is reasonable to discuss the treatments one by one.

          Jo has already made her views clear (I think).

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        Hanrahan

        Peter C
        December 29, 2021 at 4:36 pm · Reply
        You are right that many treatments have been proposed and discussed. No one said they were “sure fire cures”.

        Dr Chris Martenson uses a military analogy: “preparing the ground”. Taking the military analogy further “preparing the ground” does not guarantee success but it sure improves the odds.

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      Kalm Keith

      The last two people to die with-of-from COVID19 here in nsw, that I heard of, were 80 and 90 years of age.

      The first international cohort of CV19 victims in the U.S. were living in nursing homes in Cuomo country, New York City.

      The damage done to human beings by so called Lockdowns is immense, and ignored by politicians.

      I know of seven people who have reported abnormal after events from the CV19 VaXXines, but none who have contracted COVID19.

      I have completely lost the ability to trust any level of government here and I don’t think I’m alone in that.

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        KP

        “The damage done to human beings by so called Lockdowns is immense, and ignored by politicians”

        Sitting around a cup of tea at the gardening group, all us oldies were discussing kids & grandkids.. One member said before they could visit for Christmas they needed to be tested, and by now they have to hold the screaming 5-year old down to get her swabbed.

        Well, she’ll have a great attitude towards doctors for the rest of her life!

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        Hanrahan

        I believe I suffered a “maybe” life threatening event. No one in the ambulance or ER thought a systolic of 217 was trivial.

        It wasn’t the para’s job to ask but no one in ER asked my immunisation status either. By not asking did they save themselves some paperwork? I have no intention of getting the second jab now.

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          Wow Hanrahan. 217? Glad you are OK.

          BTW, I note Vitamin A reduces autoimmunity. That might mean that people deficient in vit A before the booster might be a higher risk of myocarditis? Of course, no one has done that study…

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            Hanrahan

            I’m OK now thanks Jo, but it did take nearly a week for my BP to stabilise.

            Complicating matters is that my old BP tester had a leaky cuff so I bought a new one that fits on the wrist. It had only just arrived so I tried it. That’s when I got the reading. So I tried again and the pump stopped, restarted and went into error. I was certain that the tester was a dud but it must have been at the extreme end of its range.

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            Hanrahan

            Forgot to add: My heart must be OK, both the paras and ER did ECGs with no comment. I assume that means neither of the “carditises”.

            Paras are GREAT. [assume an exclamation mark]

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        Ian1946

        KK, I know of 4 people who have had serious problems and one death after the AZ “vaccine”. One had serious blood clots, one had a series of fits, another had micro strokes. The person who died had serious lung problems before the injection. I live in a retirement village so I guess myself and my fellow residents would be considered vulnerable.

        I do not know anyone who has had COVID-19 nor do any of the people I mix with. I will not be injected with the current lot of “vaccines” but I had enrolled in the Vaxine trial should it ever happen. Dr Petrovsky has tested his vaccine on himself, and it is made here in Australia. I image vested interests like the TGA will fight to stop the happening.

        Here is a link.

        https://spectator.com.au/2021/11/the-petrovsky-affair/

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      RobB

      But what hypotheses did they act on? Any at all? After 2 years where are the government funded “gold standard double blind randomized trials” on HCQ, IVM, vit D etc? On the contrary, ivm has been banned in Australia. Right from the start they put all their eggs in the vaccine basket, even after rubbish trials like this one:

      https://www.canadiancovidcarealliance.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/The-COVID-19-Inoculations-More-Harm-Than-Good-REV-Dec-16-2021.pdf

      Smell a rat?

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      Chris

      Other than putting in an order in for some vaccines – I don’t see that Australian Medical Science has done anything. I am not sure why you think that they have too much to do.

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        another ian

        They’ve made unobtainable a bloody useful veterinary medicine in a field where we are supposed to rotate to try and stave off development of resistance and we don’t have many to choose from.

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        John+R+Smith

        “I don’t see that Australian Medical Science has done anything.”

        One thing we don’t see is medical or government gearing up for mass casualties.
        Whilst screeching about overwhelmed hospitals.
        And firing experienced non-compliant staff.
        I for one, see a very gorilla in the basketball game, he or she, is even dribbling and doing lay ups at this point.

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    clarence.t

    No doubt about it…….

    We all just have to watch our ‘A’s, ‘B’s, ‘C’s and ‘D’s ! 🙂

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    Hanrahan

    After 2 years where are the government funded “gold standard double blind randomized trials” on HCQ, IVM, vit D etc?

    We know so much about IVM in particular via many trials with n being hundreds of millions that only Mengele and Fauci would sign off on the ethics. No one without a God complex would consider doing so.

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    CHRIS

    Want to get enough Vitamin A to survive? Then eat a small amount of old dog’s livers. Provides up to 30K normal intake.

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    another ian

    A story from the western Qld cattle country of old. The team is on mustering camp back in pack horse days and the station manager is also the camp cook.

    One of the ringers enquires “Hey Boss what’s for dinner?”

    Boss “I think we’ll have a stew”

    Ringer “Nah, won’t be able to have a stew. You need onions for a stew”.

    At which the boss retires to the depths of one of the pack saddles and retrieves an onion carefully wrapped in greaseproof paper.

    As he carves off a few slices of onion into the camp oven he observes

    “Yes, you need onions for a stew. But not too much onion”

    As he carefully re-wraped the onion and returned it to the pack saddle.

    And in that vein around vitamins –

    “cdquarles says:
    29 December 2021 at 8:52 pm

    A reminder about vitamin A. This fat soluble vitamin is a known cumulative toxin. The margin here is a bit less than that for vitamin D. Most people do not need to take large doses, particularly over extended time periods. Personally, it is better to eat your carrots ;p.”

    https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2021/12/24/christmas-eve-w-o-o-d-24-december-2021/#comment-153309

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    kiwi mike

    So all you horse warriors, What is the best regime for covid?

    Before…. covid

    During….. covid (1st 7 days)…

    Vit A B C D K ?
    Zinc, Selenium ?

    and what amounts?
    Is there a maker of a Multi vitamin & Multi Mineral that gives 25%, 33%, 50% of RDA?

    I live in NZ so would probably have to buy online..
    Any considered help would be appreciated..

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    kiwi mike

    oh it’s actually 04:15 here

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