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Climate change causes arson in Greece, Turkey, Algeria and California

Fires in Greece

Arson must be one of the easiest crimes to hide by anyone half competent, but in Greece arrests are already happening. People were caught with cans of gasoline. There are so many fires, the Supreme Court prosecutor has called for an investigation into possible organised arson and is asking for sweeping investigative powers.  On social media people are blaming arsonists and slow or inept government responses.

In Media-World, people are blaming climate change, because if the world was a degree cooler, the fires would put themselves out or something. Who knows?

Coincidentally, over in Algeria, strange things are happening too. The Interior Minister says 50 fires were started at the same time. In Turkey, recent arson is suspected to be a terrorist  activity. A few days ago the Israeli airforce bombed Hamas targets to “counter #arson attacks“. And in California a professor of criminology was actually tracked, caught and arrested for setting fires “on the edge” of the huge Dixie blaze. He might be nuts, but the others may have a plan. Has anyone asked them?

Apparently CO2 turns nice people into arsonists, but it’s surely also possible there may be other interests at work, or who knows, even hostile adversaries? Instead of asking: who could benefit — witchdoctors and their minions blame coal power stations on the other side of the world and pray to the God of Solar Panels for mercy.

As reassuring as they are (to some) these primitive rituals blaming fires on climate change go off like a smoke bomb on the national conversation. While everyone is putting pins into the sixth element of the periodic table, we won’t be talking about reducing kilotons of fuel we leave lying around, near houses, birds and babies. Megajoules of stored energy is growing right out of the ground in towers for careless people, stray lightning, mental illness, religious extremists, and  foreign threats to turn into a pyroclastic nightmare. Maybe we should think about that?

Meanwhile on TV, the  media apologists are still talking about extended fire seasons but it’s a meaningless red herring. Fire seasons don’t run around the country lighting fires, they don’t fuel fires either.  The longest fire season in the world is probably in the Sahara desert, but sand doesn’t burn. The worst fires are where the fuel is, not the fire season.

Despite all the talk of how bushfires prove “climate change” the Australian CSIRO are experts on fires in the fireiest country on Earth and they admit — though only in the fine print discovered by Matt Canavan — that “No studies explicitly attributing the Australian increase in fire weather to climate change have been performed at this time.

Here’s a tip to CSIRO And all academic institutions around the world,  If you want people to trust the experts, you need to say something when journalists are telling people to stop fires with carbon credits and declare that “it’s the science”. Where The Hell Are You?

Greek Prosecutor Calls for Investigation into Organized Arson Plot

Patricia Claus, The Greek Reporter

The prosecutor of Greece’s Supreme Court, Vassilios I. Pliotas, on Monday called for an investigation into a possible organized arson plot on the part of a criminal organization after fires ravaged the country for the past week.

“The excessive number of fires, of unusual intensity and extent, that have occurred in recent days, resulting in incalculable damage to the natural environment (especially the forest resources of the country), buildings, facilities, agricultural land and crops and tourist Infrastructures, even endangering the lives of a large number of our fellow human beings, as well as the “synchronization” in their manifestation, create reasonable suspicions of deliberate organized criminal activity and not only of a simple, accidental phenomenon of incidents of negligent behavior.

Arrests  have already started in Greece:

Thomas Kissel, The Greek Reporter

Multiple people have been linked to arson across Greece, as fires rage through nearly every region of the country. Two people were arrested in Agios Stefanos, where fires are still currently spreading. The suspects were apprehended by the bridge of Agios Stefanos on Athinaias Street with a can of gasoline.

The suspects were unable to offer an explanation for why they had the gasoline and were escorted to the State Security. One suspected attempted to convince the authorities he was a volunteer firefighter.

In Theologos, where five attempts of arson have been made in the past few days, mayor Thanassis Zekentes said in a statement that “It will last for days because [Theologos] is a place with a dense pine forest and unfortunately there are not enough Fire Brigade forces since they are scattered in so many other areas.”

Deputy Regional Governor of Ilia Vassilis Giannopoulos believes that various fire fronts in the region are the product of a deliberate arson plan.

In Algeria there are many simultaneous fires and sadly a lot of deaths:

At least 65 people killed in wildfires in Algeria, authorities blame arson

“50 fires starting at the same time is impossible. These fires are of criminal origin,” Interior Minister Kamel Beldjoud said on a visit to Tizi Ouzou.

Public radio reported the arrest of three suspected arsonists in the northern district of Medea and another in Annaba, in relation to other fires.

In California a professor was tracked, caught and arrested for setting fires:

Criminal Justice Prof Set Blazes Across NorCal as Dixie Fire Raged: Cops

Blake Montgomery, TheDailyBeast

A criminal justice professor allegedly went on an arson spree in Northern California along the edges of the gargantuan Dixie Fire in late July.

Gary Maynard, age 47, [allegedly] set a series of fires in Lassen National Forest and Shasta Trinity National Forest, …. California Forestry Department agents arrested him Saturday.  Maynard even allegedly attempted to trap firefighters between the fires he was setting and the boundaries of the Dixie Fire.

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128 comments to Climate change causes arson in Greece, Turkey, Algeria and California

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    TdeF

    Australian gum trees have been used in many countries which wanted forests and had the same long hot summers, intense sun, no cloud cover and very low water. Trees have many purposes and Australian trees filled many of them and generally improved qualify of life in near desert climates. But there are more reasons.

    This from one journal

    “Trees of the genus Eucalyptus from Australia were spread widely and numerously through California after the 1850’s. Several factors favored their spread, notably the production of timber and fuel, often with unrealistic hopes of financial gain.

    Planting for windbreaks and decorative purposes was also commonplace.

    Miasma. An important and overlooked additional reason for the rapid dissemination of eucalypts in California, especially in the 1870’s and 1880’s, was the belief that trees of this genus, particularly Eucalyptus globulus or blue gum, could prevent or diminish the serious malaria problem that beset portions of the state. That certain forms of vegetation, especially trees, represented sanitary influences was an ancient notion and it survived even the germ theory of disease. The supposed method whereby eucalypts achieved their healthful influence was through the trees’ imagined capacity to absorb or neutralize the noxious gases that were believed to cause malaria. This erroneous and antique miasmatic etiology of malaria, together with belief in eucalypt prophylaxis, was demolished in the late nineteenth century when it was revealed that the disease was caused by blood parasites transmitted by the bites of anopheline mosquitoes.”

    Hundreds of thousands of plants were shipped in the trade between California and Australia, which countries were linked by the massive gold rushes of 1849 and 1851 which helped create both countries.

    And similar conditions were present in Spain, Greece, Israel, Jordan where you can see familiar Australian gums today, not that the European pines were not equally Roman candles in the heat, also filled with flammable liquid, turpentine rather than gum.

    Little did we know that a very slow tiny increase in average world temperature of 1.5C in 170 years would turn these trees into monsters. Or that people would build houses in the middle of highly flammable forests in those same dry, hot environments where other trees would not survive. Or that caring Green governments would start to treat all trees as sacred and as is Victoria Australia, ban their removal, harvesting or even the removal of forest litter which accumulates continually, even in cities. Or even the traditional agistment of cattle from the 1850s which not only feeds the cattle, reduces the fuel load. And the same governments simultaneously tell us to plant more trees.

    Some communist councils are even replacing non flammable English trees with highly dangerous and flammable Australian gum trees in a form of extreme tree racism with an utterly mad belief that English trees equal British Imperialism. Which they believe was a bad thing even if it is the foundation of our society and the reason for their existence. A tragic recent death from falling gum tree branches occurred in King Street Melbourne, in busy traffic. This is unbelievable irresponsibility like so much Green politics.

    In Victoria, our communist Premier even bought a private logging company so that no jobs would be lost when he banned the harvesting of the very trees which was the basis of their business. We assume everyone is happy. And that the forest workers are happily working from home on government salaries.

    So now while we worship trees, we blame Climate Change for overgrowth, arson and destruction of houses. While it is hard to understand how 1.5C changes climates, it is very fashionable to do so. The fact that it is illogical, even nuts is ignored. Now that most people live in cities, we have stopped managing our vegetation and we now worship it.

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      TdeF

      And on the devastating death and injury in King street, the official response is “”The Department of Transport is working closely with Victoria Police to investigate the factors that contributed to the incident.”

      I guess it’s the same with bushfires. No one knows what causes them, so it must be Climate Change, not total Green irresponsibility by public authorities. Any branch from this giant white gum tree in a very narrow median strip was guaranteed to land on cars in transit in one of our busiest road, causing utterly predictable death and injury. There was nowhere else to fall. The investigation continues. It has to be Climate Change.

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        TdeF

        And it only remains to point out that the mass export of Australian gum trees to desert countries started in 1850, with the Industrial Revolution and the explosion of population in places like California. So gum trees caused Climate Change.

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      Wixy

      “In Victoria, our communist Premier even bought a private logging company so that no jobs would be lost when he banned the harvesting of the very trees which was the basis of their business. We assume everyone is happy. And that the forest workers are happily working from home on government salaries.”

      Heyfield timber mill is closing, and the workers are not happy. Bunnings, who was the mill’s biggest customer, will not be using the timber from this mill as it didn’t comply with their sustainability requirements! This same mill DOES comply with Vicforests own sustainability requirements, but not Bunnings… who will now purchase from China and others.

      A quote from Bunnings: “We continue to seek advice from Greenpeace and WWF on our procurement and we remain grateful for their ongoing support. In 2014, we undertook a forest concession field trip with WWF to a supplier of Merbau timber in West Papua, Indonesia.

      We are proud that our long term efforts and commitment to timber procurement has provided customers and team members with the knowledge that our timber is responsibly sourced.”

      I no longer shop at Bunnings!!!

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      David Maddison

      That little exercise in buying the logging company cost Vicdanistan taxpayers at least $40 million and probably much more.

      It wasn’t widely publicised at the time and few people understood or cared.

      Thanks for reminding us TdeF.

      https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-15/deal-made-on-heyfield-timber-mill/8948736

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      Geoff Croker

      As long as people are paid from government by money printing to find that CO2 and fossil fuels are bad then CO2 and fossil fuels will be bad.

      This political distraction is required to inject fear into voters (to save them from a government created crisis) to continue with the status quo of poor policies, bad government and a continued spiral of government costs (taxes). Socialist oppositions double down on any print run policy making it difficult to offer any form of fiscal responsibility.

      Government management will pay themselves huge salaries ($650k for a CMO), cross pollinate awards for looking like they fixed a problem they created, while crippling their legitimate source of income. This makes them dependent on any type of FREE money creation eg low and even negative interest rates or a deal with the Reserve Currency Printer (Federal Reserve) ie the A$1 Trillion Covid print run deal.

      Good policies are not “popular” as they NEVER involve FREE MONEY.

      Good government is always destroyed by FREE money. It initially causes socialism. Then a socialist dictatorship by committee eg communism, national socialism etc. The end point is a dictatorship by thuggery (Stalin, Hitler, etc) and finally war at scale.

      There have been MANY replays of this throughout history.

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      William

      TdeF, you are making to much sense. We understand it, but to a Green Left mind, they only recognise the words like “green” and “tree” and “free”, and from those few recognisable words, they create a narrative that suits their beliefs. It is much like the MMCC religion. Oh look, the water in my kettle is hot, that is proof of a rapidly warming planet. Logic and common sense are strangers to them.

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      Hasbeen

      If the 1.5C extra heat is the cause of bush fires, why is it that the fires in Oz are in the cooler wetter coastal reigns, rather than in the much hotter dryer outback reigns?

      Could it be that is the reigns favoring more growth, & thus more fuel, that burn most intensively?

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        Greg

        I’ve always stated that if long term temp rises cause fires would not Southern Tasmania have less bushfires than North East Victoria and also The Central coast of NSW more than Victoria.I don’t think the forest notices a 1.5 degree rise over many decades.Though the vast amount of combustibles on the forest floor being continually allowed to build is tinder dry late summer.Need to adopt the fire stick technology that worked so well prior to our arrival.

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    Travis T. Jones

    Who remembers the carbon (sic) induced 2019 bushfires in Australia?

    The Conversation (Australia’s leading ‘science’ website):

    “All this raises inevitable questions.

    To what extent is climate change global warming driving these fires, and how much of that is Australia’s fault?

    Do we need a permanent, paid rural fire-fighting force to deal with this “new normal”?”

    https://theconversation.com/making-sense-of-australias-bushfire-crisis-means-asking-hard-questions-and-listening-to-the-answers-129302

    2019, Greg Mullins, former Commissioner, NSW Fire and Rescue:

    “Our observations are fully explained by empirical data and peer reviewed, irrefutable scientific findings.
    The increasing risk and changes are directly driven by a warming climate.
    To protect Australians from worsening bushfire conditions and natural disaster risks, Australia must accelerate and increase measures to tackle the root cause, climate change global warming.

    https://www.climatecouncil.org.au/full-list-of-fire-and-emergency-chiefs-recommendations-to-federal-government/

    Wait. What?

    August 3, 2021: RFS volunteer used plastic bottle ‘like a magnifying glass’ to start fire near Bega

    “A volunteer firefighter accused of lighting seven bushfires on the South Coast in the early stages of the catastrophic Black Summer bushfire season has been found guilty of lighting one fire in November 2019 – but acquitted of the other six.”

    https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/rfs-volunteer-used-plastic-bottle-like-a-magnifying-glass-to-start-fire-near-bega-20210803-p58fff.html

    >> All across the planet, the the evidence is in, the observation can be made:

    The fires are carbon induced, not carbon dioxide induced.

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      Kalm Keith

      It’s a sick world when we can’t do what our forebears did, and outhink future bushfires.

      Thinking is absolutely forbiden. Repeat after the former commissioner:

      “Our observations are fully explained by empirical data and peer reviewed, irrefutable scientific findings.”

      How could he say that without vomiting?

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    ren

    A renewed decline in solar wind activity will cause the jet stream to drop southward in the Atlantic. This will push moist masses from the south into central Europe. At the same time, this means a continuation of highs over Greece and Turkey.
    Look at the circulation. Updated every hour.
    http://tropic.ssec.wisc.edu/real-time/mtpw2/webAnims/tpw_nrl_colors/europe/mimictpw_europe_latest.gif
    Why do we have repeating circulation patterns in Europe this summer? If we look at the strength of the solar wind, there is a clear ripple. The increase in neutrons indicates a renewed decrease in the strength of the solar wind’s magnetic field. It is these ripples that are visible in the course of the jet current in the tropopause. When solar activity decreases the jet current in the Atlantic descends southward.
    https://i.ibb.co/tXwFcjC/onlinequery.gif

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    Travis T. Jones

    New study:

    There has been “no statistically significant trend” in compound natural disasters (bushfires, cyclones, heat waves, floods, storms) across Australia since 1966.

    Natural La Niña and El Niño events drive cyclone, flood, and bushfire frequencies.

    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17477891.2021.1932405

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    Kevin T Kilty

    Last summer we had all manner of suspicious fires here which started in remote place, in official “wilderness”, where lightning data showed no possibility of them being caused by a storm. One of the largest started in a near impenetrable rugged area of beetle killed pines. It was deliberately set almost for certain. California has had trouble with “fire bugs” since I lived there 40 years ago. The Santa Ana winds stir the nuts.

    We have many mentally ill people in the U.S. Far more apparent now than I would have estimated prior to Queen Hillary being put to pasture.

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      Jojodogfacedboy

      Soon, our politicians will make lighters and fire making illegal as well.
      Oh for those cave man days…
      Time to scoot to my man cave.

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        Sambar

        Already happened in Victoria. The very essence of “going camping” the camp fire. In any govenment controlled park all fire pits have been removed, no BBQ areas that use wood are left and the signage declares that NO FIRES MAY BE LIT OR FIREWOOD COLLECTED. So to have the dubious pleasure of camping in a park without a campfire you will also be charged quite a hefty camping fee. In many of the parks in my area no rubbish collection facilities are provided either, if you want to get rid of your rubbish take it to the tip (sorry resource recovery centre ) oh, by the way, a hefty fee applies.

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          Geoffrey Williams

          Sam the beaurocrats just love telling us what we mustn’t do . .

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            Ted1

            Geoff you’ve got my problem. Which developed over time despite a smattering of French. I hope I’ve solved it. It’s bureau-crats

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          Yonniestone.

          The Bush Users Group United (BUGU) in Victoria have been highlighting and fighting the government closure/lockout of public land to citizens for years.

          https://www.bugu.org.au/

          Link: The information is out there and cannot be dismissed.
          With National Parks comes the following;
          Closed tracks and camping areas, ineffective feral pest and noxious weed control, increase in fuel loads which has lead to some of the worst bushfires Victoria has seen, in turn putting animals and humans lives at risk.
          The economic benefits of changing an area from state forest to national park is negative.

          How could anyone think banning or restricting camping, prospecting, riding (horses/trail bikes) dogs (pets and sled racing), 4wd, firewood collection, fishing, logging and mining, help the struggling rural communities??

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            Sambar

            Its all about control my Rocky friend, all the activities you have listed actually produce innovative, self reliant people capable of thinking / sorting things out for themselves. Can’t have people that have that capacity, we need people who can do as they are told. Trust us we are from the government, we will look after you and provide for all you needs. I have a new 7 month old pup, I provide every thing that makes his life comfortable, all he has to do is what he is told. This dog currently thinks I am the premier of the state.

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      melbourne resident

      Every year in Victoria we have people camping and lighting campfires along our local creek – so called fly camping – I walk my dogs there and have often found untended fires left behind in fire season – this will happen more with restrictions on lighting fires in safe firepits in regulated camp grounds. The next fire season will start in a couple of months – so watch out! Hopefully La Nina will continue our wet year and the fire season will be minimal – we shall see.

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    Kalm Keith

    How quickly we forget the Greek fires from back in 2019.

    Photos from the affected area showed little thought had been given to clearing natural growth from local Bush on the cliff and from the backyards, lanes and access routes.

    Then the fire hit.

    Tragically this attitude towards self preservation is not unique to Greece and is seen throughout modern Australia and California as shining examples.

    Nominally the driving force behind the failure to deal with undergrowth and excess vegetation is acknowledgement of the beauty of nature but the real reason is that local government would prefer not to spend the money on maintaining a safe environment.

    This frees up the cash to allow trips to U.N. Conferences and similar virtuous activity.

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      Kalm Keith

      History available to our Fire Chiefs; but conforming groupthink pays the bills so we have;

      Black Saturday, 2009

      173 people

      The 2009 Black Saturday fires remain the deadliest bushfire event on record in Australia’s history.

      The Victorian CFA website records: 173 people died (including two firefighters) 2,055 houses were destroyed .

      173 people, including two firefighters.

      To be a member of Australia’s Climate Council all you need is the capacity to “not see” reality and ignore/dismiss the bits that are likely to contradict the chosen message.

      As Jo has shown, the only way to tackle this situation of governments being despicable is to apply liberal doses of ridicule and sarcasm.

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        melbourne resident

        My house was destroyed in those fires along with a number of people we knew – neighbours and people we would see frequently around the local towns. The empty blocks are finally being built on and re-establishing the townships. People are moving in to escape covid in the cities refurbishing houses that escaped the last fires – our trees are now over 20metres high having grown for the last 12 years from nothing. It will all happen again next El Nino drought because the Shire Council DELWP and Forestry are reluctant to run the risk of causing more bushfires with planned burns. Before 2019, less than a quarter of planned burns were undertaken in the years leading up to the last fires. history repeats and will repeat and it has nothing to do with CO2 in the atmosphere.

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          Greg

          We lost everything in 2009 as well.Hope you are well.The so called controlled burns in our area are burning of logging coups.The regrowth is phenomenal and the next disaster is a few dry years in the making.

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          Kalm Keith

          That’s tragic for both you and Greg.

          The green movement has a lot to answer for.

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    Broadie

    Ben Elton’s novel ‘This Other Eden’ has the Environmentalists and those Capitalizing on the fear they generate, instigating the disasters. The logic being that they had predicted these events so they may as well time them to their advantage for publicity and effect to best save the world?

    Sound Familiar? Here is how one reader critiques the Novel.

    This Other Eden is a very funny book. It takes things to the extreme about what could happen if rich businessmen wanted to make money out of the end of the world. Based some years in the future, Ben Elton creates the scene of a world in environmental chaos, where the human race has destroyed the earth, and the end is nigh. Plastic Tolstoy, a rich businessman has the answer: buy a Claustrophere. A dome-shaped, self-contained new home, which can provide air and water, and recycle human waste, and where you can grow your own food; and which even has a day and night-cycle. The advertising campaigns begin, and people are urged to buy these safe-houses, which could be used when the end finally comes. Everyone who is anyone, owns a Claustrophere. It is big business, but a business that had its ups and downs and needs continued advertising to stay afloat. Mother Earth, a terrorist group, and Natura, an environmental campaign group, are against Claustropheres, claiming that by buying these domes people have given up on trying to save the environment, and are just accepting that there is nothing that can be done to stop the rot. Plastic Tolstoy has a plan to ensure the success of his product… an evil plan
    We meet many hilarious characters along the way, including: Max, a famous Hollywood actor who doesn’t even recognise his own wife because she has had so much plastic surgery; Nathan, a struggling writer who is depressed because he is still in love with his wife who has left him, and mentions her whenever he has an opportunity; Rosalie, an unlikely Mother Earth terrorist; Jurgen Thor, the most famous environmental campaigner, who has a dark secret; and Judy Schwartz, an FBI agent who is a man with a woman’s name.
    A great book with well-developed characters and an interesting story line that makes you think, and laugh, at the same time.

    The mass panic about pollution eventually has the ‘Sheeple’ locking themselves into their time-locked biospheres making the world a better place for those who resisted the marketing campaign. A bit like going for a surf in the ‘First Lockdown’ before the Stasi were unleashed. Sent out to harass people sitting in a park or on the beach in order to ‘stop the spread’ and have our Freedoms returned to us.

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      StephenP

      Wasn’t a bio-dome experiment set up some years ago in the USA?
      IIRC it didn’t turn out a great success.

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    MrGrimNasty

    The BBC etc. are promulgating the preposterous proposition that climate change has caused nearly 600 separate fires in Greece alone.

    They also remain deathly silent on rampant pyro-terrorism.

    It is a difficult issue, if they cover arson/terrorism, it could easily encourage copycats; but to exploit the situation to push the climate agenda is despicable.

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      Custer Van Cleef

      There’s a feedback loop operating here:

      The BBC goons pounce on stories that can help promote their “Climate Change is a disaster” narrative.

      That creates fear in their foot-soldiers, who wonder “what can I do?”…. well they can’t contribute to the “big Ice is Retreating” stories or “the biggest ever Dry Spell” BUT WHAT THEY CAN DO is help generate the “biggest ever fire storm”.

      Some of these arsonists must be Eco-loons, trying to add to the avalanche of scare mongering, promulgated by the media.

      Their logic:

      a bigger fire -> a bigger story in the media -> more fear, more outcry -> politicians will “do stuff” to save us.

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        Tilba Tilba

        The BBC goons pounce on stories that can help promote their “Climate Change is a disaster” narrative.

        As a person who is absolutely committed to the view that AGW is real, and caused by the burning of fossil fuels, and an increase in atmospheric CO2, even I can cringe when I see every weather event being attributed to “Climate Change”.

        The events in Greece and California (and elsewhere) are tragic and awful, but I would also like to see some recognition that (bad or neglected) forest management plays a role in all this. To me, there is no doubt that AGW has led to hotter and drier timber across many places, and therefore more virulent and more intense fires … but “Climate Change” is not the only factor.

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          clarence.t

          “As a person who is absolutely committed to the view that AGW is real”

          Yes, you should be committed for your scientifically baseless belief.

          It is a form of insanity.

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          Kalm Keith

          Tilba Tilba,

          Blogg Clogga Extraordinaire.

          Hubba hubba, digga dogga, what a clogga.

          Beat this for clogging.

          The numeral 6 is often used to refer to the position that is one past the centre of the widely used system the operates on base ten.

          Ten can also be shown as 10 or X if you lived in ancient Rome but one of the most interesting thing about base ten numbers is that when you divide any of them by zero you always come up with the same number ; infinity.

          Clog on .

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          Kalm Keith

          Tilba Tilba says;

          “even I can cringe when I see every weather event being attributed to “Climate Change”.

          “Even he”, the great One, can feel and react to the contradiction posed and then express it through “cringing”.

          Perhaps we mere mortals should learn how to cringe and show empathy for the ideas expressed there.

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        MrGrimNasty

        Yes I agree, on the balance of probability, eco-terrorism is a factor.

        But of course that makes us nut-job conspiracy theorists in the eyes of the likes of the BBC.

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        Deano

        Very astute theories there MrGrim and Custer.
        There is definitely a breed of activist that believe causing serious damage is justified by the urgency of their cause. “We make NO apologies” is their favourite phrase.

        I’d also love to see the correlation between arson convictions and bushfires, but efforts to actually investigate for arson would have to be taken into account. And before any Greenies shout “Correlation is not causation” – I’d remind them I’m just playing by their rules!

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      StephenP

      Is there no way someone in the BBC can be persuaded to read the FAO report on forestry and fires in Greece?
      http://www.fao.org/3/ad653e/ad653e64.htm
      Or is it just that it doesn’t suit their agenda?

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    RicDre

    The IPCC AR6 Hockeystick

    by Stephen McIntyre

    Aug 11, 2021 @ 3:14pm

    Although climate scientists keep telling that defects in their “hockey stick” proxy reconstructions don’t matter – that it doesn’t matter whether they use data upside down, that it doesn’t matter if they cherry pick individual series depending on whether they go up in the 20th century, that it doesn’t matter if they discard series that don’t go the “right” way (“hide the decline”), that it doesn’t matter if they used contaminated data or stripbark bristlecones, that such errors don’t matter because the hockey stick itself doesn’t matter – the IPCC remains addicted to hockey sticks: lo and behold, Figure 1a of its newly minted Summary for Policy-makers contains what else – a hockey stick diagram. If you thought Michael Mann’s hockey stick was bad, imagine a woke hockey stick by woke climate scientists. As the climate scientists say, it’s even worse that we thought.

    https://climateaudit.org/2021/08/11/the-ipcc-ar6-hockeystick/

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    John F Hultquist

    Headline: College Professor Accused . . .

    https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2021/08/11/college-professor-accused-of-setting-fires-in-dixie-fire-area/

    Sonoma State confirms he also taught at their university during the Fall of 2020 as a part-time lecturer in the Department of Criminology and Criminal Justice. Maynard was contracted as a fill-in for faculty members on leave.

    University-aware folks will never refer to a part-time lecturer and contract faculty as “Professor.”
    A 47 year old Californian of Gary Maynard’s characteristics best fits the idea of “fruits & nuts.”

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    Robber

    I remember travelling through Greece back in 2005 or so, and near ancient Olympia there had been recent fires.

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    Peter Fitzroy

    So all the arsonists decided that 2021 would be the year in which they would coordinate and produce the fires seen in Greece, Turkey, Russia, Latvia, etc etc.

    And somehow they managed to increase the intensity of the fires that they started.

    Yeah no

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      el gordo

      No, pyromaniacs usually work alone.

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        PeterS

        Correct. IMHO, it should be open season for pyromaniacs. If caught setting a bush on fire, they should [SNIP No. Due process only.] by the police. No excuses. It’s a terrorist act pure and simple.

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      clarence.t

      The intensity increase is because of greenie policies of not allowing bush and scrub to be maintained properly, just like in Australia.

      You know that, so why the constant denial?

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      clarence.t

      You do know that bushfires are exacerbated by weather..

      Hot, dry weather, which Australia had in 2019, and Greece etc have got this year, are a prime time for arsonists.

      Where were the bushfires in Australia last summer, PF !

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        PeterS

        Yes, but the alarmists believe the cause of weather climate change is due to mankind. That’s where they get it horribly wrong.

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      clarence.t

      Did you know, that on a year to date basis, UAH has Australia at 24th position out of 43 years.

      That’s below the median.

      Must be climate change, hey PF !

      All the climate glitterati can hope for, to avoid even more embarrassment over the next few years, is another El Nino,

      … but there is not much solar energy to drive it, and La Ninas look like being more prevalent.

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        PeterS

        The problem is they keep moving the goal posts. In fact they already move them from one end of the field to the other when the alleged threat of global cooling became global warming. If the world enters a deep cooling phase, as it appears to be, then they will move the goal posts back to the other end of the field. In other words, they don’t know whether they are coming or going. I’ll spell it out to you PF in plain English; you and your lot talk utter BS.

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      NuThink

      Social(ist) media activists now control many agendas and can spread and coordinate the news rapidly.
      Mobile phones can also be used and are used to coordinate such happenings.
      Remember the US cities that burned last year, although they were mostly peaceful lootings and burnings according to main stream media.

      Recall the Woody Allen movie “Bullets over Broadway”, Woody Allen goes to see a gangster who is going to finance Woody Allen’s show provided Allen includes the gangster’s Moll in it. Woody walks into the gangsters office as the gangster is talking on the phone, saying “Burn it down, burn it down, I want it to look like arson”.

      PS It is not only social(ist) media but movies and mainstream media also inspire criminal intent in a number of persons who are easily swayed.

      So socialist media can be used for good and evil.

      PS When the FBI used to listen in to the mafia in the pre mobile days the FBI were not allowed to listen for more than 3 minutes if nothing untoward was mentioned. So one practice I heard was that the wives would make the call and chat for 3 minutes then hand the phone over for the husbands to discuss their business, knowing that the FBI had stopped listening.
      The BBC used to coordinate commandos or the underground operatives in Europe during WW2.
      It is very easy to coordinate things whilst hidden in plain sight.

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      Ronin

      More productive conditions.

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      Travis T. Jones

      All the green solar panels and all the green wind farms, couldn’t stop summer bushfires burning again …

      “At the same time, the 88 cities on this year’s A List have not stopped tackling the climate crisis and are leading on environmental action in 2020.”

      (Who we are: The world’s economy looks to CDP as the gold standard of environmental reporting with the richest and most comprehensive dataset on corporate and city action.)

      https://www.cdp.net/en/cities/cities-scores?cid=1068907169&adgpid=49230958221&itemid=&targid=kwd-434739615100&mt=b&loc=1000286&ntwk=g&dev=c&dmod=&adp=&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI0LfP8aiq8gIVUJJmAh3w1wuFEAAYASAAEgJZNvD_BwE

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      Kalm Keith

      There’s nothing like the smell of sizzled koalas, caught in an explosive bushfire, to awaken anger at eco warriors who protest against thinning of undergrowth as sensibly practiced until the late 1960s.

      Dudley area was subjected to an avoidable roasting ten years ago and it wasn’t only koalas that got caught in the explosive blaze.

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      Phil R

      The late, great Richard Feynman said, “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself — and you are the easiest person to fool.”

      You are a prime example of the truth of his observation.

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      BriantheEngineer

      No Yeah

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      MrGrimNasty

      Peter, all these people aren’t acting from independent thought, they are being programmed and activated by the obsessive media coverage. It’s no surprise whatsoever that the result of all the media coverage is a spate of arson.

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      Andrew Wilkins

      Peter, arsonists started a lot of the fires in previous years. Arson isn’t a new idea someone thought up last week.Or maybe you didn’t realise that?

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    RicDre

    National Public Radio’s Misinformation on Wildfires and Climate: Part 2

    by Jim Steele

    In 1994 the Harvard Business Review insightfully wrote, “The news media and the government are entwined in a vicious circle of mutual manipulation, mythmaking, and self-interest. Journalists need crises to dramatize news, and government officials need to appear to be responding to crises.” So it’s no surprise that NPR headlines hyped, Climate Change Is Driving Deadly Weather Disasters From Arizona To Mumbai claiming, “Heat waves. Floods. Wildfires…We know that climate change is to blame.” Nor is it surprising that the New York Times wrote, “climate change is a key culprit” for the American west’s wildfire disasters. And right on cue, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change warns “It’s code red for humanity”. But governments promise to fix the “crisis” by controlling your energy and social policies.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/08/11/national-public-radios-misinformation-on-wildfires-and-climate-part-2/

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    Neville

    Actually the true data is easy to find and even the L W SMH has told us that 87% of fires are caused by humans.
    13% are mainly caused by lightening strikes etc 40% accidental by humans and 47% are deliberate ARSON. When will we wake up?
    Oh and the US Forestry service etc has also arrived at the same percentages or about 85% last time I looked and the rest lightening etc.
    Oh and Willis and Dr Christy have provided us with the proper data/evidence that shows GLOBAL fires were a much larger problem 100 to 150 years ago and Human pop was then less than 2 billion people.
    None of the above is difficult to understand.

    https://www.smh.com.au/national/arson-mischief-and-recklessness-87-per-cent-of-fires-are-man-made-20191117-p53bcl.html

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    Neville

    Actually the true data is easy to find and even the L W SMH has told us that 87% of fires are caused by humans.
    13% are mainly caused by lightening strikes etc 40% accidental by humans and 47% are deliberate ARSON. When will we wake up?
    Oh and the US Forestry service etc has also arrived at the same percentages or about 85% last time I looked and the rest lightening etc.
    Oh and Willis and Dr Christy have provided us with the proper data/evidence that shows GLOBAL fires were a much larger problem 100 to 150 years ago and Human pop was then less than 2 billion people.
    None of the above is difficult to understand.

    https://www.smh.com.au/national/arson-mischief-and-recklessness-87-per-cent-of-fires-are-man-made-20191117-p53bcl.html

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    Yonniestone.

    Oh well I guess this will be a great excuse for governments to implement “safe living” laws under the guise of declaring a “climate emergency” where people cannot safely exist outside a densely populated city so everyone is forced to live there.

    But this will never happen as most governments declaring a state of emergency has to by law prove that the emergency exists by meeting a number of points written in the legal criteria, imagine our governments declaring an emergency when it fails legal testing and then uses that to control movement, trade, privacy, communication and even medical choices.

    Nah it’ll never happen.

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    Neville

    I’m locked in moderation, again. But I’ll try another link.
    Willis has checked out global wildfires DATA , see the link.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/04/25/wheres-the-emergency/

    [You have been Paroled. 🙂 – LVA ]

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    Neville

    Here’s the link for Dr Christy’s data on everything about their so called EMERGENCY or EXISTENTIAL threat, including GLOBAL wildfires etc.
    And he shows the same data and evidence as Willis. DUH?

    https://www.thegwpf.com/putting-climate-change-claims-to-the-test/

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    David Maddison

    Don’t forget so-called pyro-terrorism as a means of terrorism. That explains many bush or forest fires.

    https://www.smh.com.au/national/scorched-earth-terror-threat-20120505-1y5o6.html

    By Natalie O’Brien
    May 6, 2012 — 3.00am

    Australia has been named as a specific target for pyro-terrorism in the latest edition of an online terrorism magazine linked with al-Qaeda.

    A picture of the Opera House with smoke clouds behind it – captioned ”Sydney city on fire” – has been used to illustrate a story that promotes the use of bushfires as terrorist attacks.

    SEE LINK FOR REST

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    John Burns

    jebchuk

    If the IPCC report had concluded that there was nothing to be concerned about and that it was OK to continue polluting the Planet
    the Right would have applauded it as a wonderful report by the World’s leading experts.

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      Andrew Wilkins

      If the IPCC report had concluded that there was nothing to be concerned about and that it was OK to continue polluting the Planet

      But they won’t predict that, will they? Because the “experts” are expert in absolutely nothing, apart from unwarranted alarmism.

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    Rupert Ashford

    Won’t be surprised if it’s people on the climate bandwagon doing this to strengthen their “case”…

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    J Cuttance

    ‘… in California a professor of criminology was actually tracked, caught and arrested for setting fires “on the edge” of the huge Dixie blaze.’
    For every arsonist they catch, 10 are still running around with cans of petrol. Stopping this will take the acknowledgement that the sicker greenies are perversely incentivized to start fires to ‘raise awareness’ of climate change.

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    Tilba Tilba

    There might or might not be cases of arson in Greece, Turkey, etc … and if there is arson it might be a fad among nutters, or more deliberate ‘terrorist’ activity.

    But in respect of global warming, the source of ignition is not particularly relevant (as was discussed yesterday wrt “human agency” versus natural ignition). All sorts of events can trigger small fires – the problem is that global warming creates hotter and drier conditions, especially in places that climatically have hot and dry summers.

    Siracusa (in Southern Sicily) recorded 48.8°C yesterday – possibly the highest temperature every recorded in Europe – which wouldn’t be a record you would particularly want.

    Global warming can therefore make it easier for small fires to become big fires, and for there to be more of them, and much more intense and damaging bushfires / wildfires. It isn’t just “the media” or ideologically driven politicians and commentators saying this – lots of pretty smart and qualified people are also saying so.

    [ Tilba, this is utter nonsense. In respect to failed fuel management policies, the source of ignition is irrelevant. AGW or not. Decades of Kilotons of un-managed undergrowth might well have something to do with major wild fires. Political Inaction can, therefore, make it easier for small fires to become big fires, to quote yourself.- LVA ]

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      Since a warmer world is a wetter world droughts may become less likely (if CO2 did much warming).
      Just ask Prof Andy Pitman. There is no a priori reason why global warming causes droughts.

      Climate models can’t predict El Nino, the largest driver of droughts in the world.

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        Neville

        Jo what do you make of the latest SW WA O’Donnell study of rainfall over the last 7 centuries?
        The best rainfall came after 1900 and yet our MSM seems to have dined out on how terrible the droughts have been in your area.
        And heavily supported by Flannery and their ABC etc.
        Of course total WA rainfall has been higher in recent times.
        Any ideas why, or is it just variable SAM ( for SW WA) again over the last 30 years?

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        BriantheEngineer

        Rain picks up heat in the ground and dumps it over the oceans. More rain should decrease the temperatures over the ground.

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        Tilba Tilba

        Since a warmer world is a wetter world droughts may become less likely (if CO2 did much warming).

        In some parts yes – tropical and semi-tropical perhaps. But in other drier places, an increase in temperature can lead to both hotter and drier summers overall. California is a good case. I can’t definitively state that AGW is leading to more drought, but neither can it be stated that it is not.

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          Exactly Tibla. It will rain unless it’s sunny. You can predict the climate as well as the CMIP6 models cant.

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          clarence.t

          You can’t definitive state anything, because there is no evidence for it.

          All you can manage is “ifs” and “maybes” from unvalidated, provably-erroneous models that cannot handle water vapour in any scientifically meaningful way.

          California has had much longer and more intense droughts in the not too distance past.

          During times when CO2 was at low plant survival levels.

          CO2 has nothing to do with it, except to help plants survive those dryer times.

          As a tree-hugging greenie, you should be worshiping CO2, not hating it.

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      clarence.t

      Yet another load of speculative garbage..

      … backed by absolutely zero scientific evidence whatsoever.

      Hot and dry weather happens, in many places of the world.

      There is absolutely zero scientific evidence that human released atmospheric CO2 has any causation whatsoever on weather or climate..

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        Tilba Tilba

        There is absolutely zero scientific evidence that human released atmospheric CO2 has any causation whatsoever on weather or climate.

        There are very large numbers of smart and qualified, experienced people who disagree with this.

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          clarence.t

          Provide scientific evidence, .. or not !!

          Plaintive calls to authority, are not science or evidence.

          We can wait as long as it takes you.

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            Tilba Tilba

            The IPCC Report came out on Monday – it disagrees with your statement.

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              clarence.t

              The IPCC report does not present any science that proves CO2 warming..

              It is a political summary, based on agenda-drivel models..

              Why are you still avoiding producing actual science.

              Is it because you know you don’t have any !

              Go ahead.. find the part of the IPCC smarmy that scientifically proves CO2 warming.

              We can wait as long as it takes you.

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                Tilba Tilba

                The IPCC report does not present any science that proves CO2 warming..

                It presents about 3,000 pages of hard scientific data … but you find it inconvenient … and you can’t handle the truth!

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                clarence.t

                LOL.. lots of pages of waffle.

                Sorry you are incapable of finding and pointing to one single piece that proves warming by atmospheric CO2.

                We know that, otherwise you would do it.

                You remain, with nothing.

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                clarence.t

                “It presents about 3,000 pages of hard scientific data”

                No…. it doesn’t. !

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                clarence.t

                “but you find it inconvenient”

                The inconvenience seems to be all yours.

                Asking you to present specific scientific evidence.. .. how inconvenient for you!

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              clarence.t

              I repeat, since you obviously didn’t catch it the first time.

              Plaintive calls to authority, are not science or evidence.

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                Tilba Tilba

                Plaintive calls to authority, are not science or evidence.

                LOL … it’s still a lot better than listening to fruit-loops on various websites.

                The IPCC represents the very conservative and bureaucratic view of hundreds – if not thousands – of very qualified climate scientists, and I accept their conclusions. I think I’ll get my “scientific view” from them, thanks very much. I don’t need fruitloop zealotry.

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                clarence.t

                Your appeal to the IPCC is hilarious.

                Still waiting for that “science”

                Come on .. find the place where it proves warming from CO2,

                Its your story. Yet you have produced no evidence.

                All you have is fruitloop zealotry, its what the IPCC is…

                Produce the actual science, and stop waffling in your hilarious attempt to avoid the issue.

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                clarence.t

                “The IPCC represents the very conservative and bureaucratic views… blah blah…”

                Sorry, but why should I be interested in “bureaucratic views” of anyone.

                They are not scientific evidence of any sort.

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              clarence.t

              ps..

              We can wait as long as it takes you.

              We know you will not produce that evidence…. just waffle.

              So off you go.. find that scientific evidence.

              The search will enlighten you if you let it.

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          Kalm Keith

          Also

          “There are very large numbers of dumb and unqualified, inexperienced people who do agree with this.”

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      Single Malt

      The bushfires, floods, mudslides, cyclones, droughts etc. all look worse and seem more prevalent when they are on the TV news 24 hours a day. No one except those directly affected would have had any idea this stuff was going on 100 years ago. As recently as 1974, most of Australia didn’t even know Cyclone Tracy had happened until Boxing Day. It’s a bit like Covid. Imagine if no one in Government mentioned its existence or did anything about it, and the press didn’t report on it. For most people, the last year and half would be anecdotally ‘a nasty bug going around’ and it would have disappeared by now.

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    Tilba Tilba

    For every arsonist they catch, 10 are still running around with cans of petrol. Stopping this will take the acknowledgement that the sicker greenies are perversely incentivized to start fires to ‘raise awareness’ of climate change.

    Do we know that the fire-loving professor was a greenie – sick or otherwise quite well?

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    Ross Holding

    I have often thought about terrorist activities vs Australia. Why make bombs?? Simply wait for a total fire ban day close to any of our major cities and light a series of fires. Simple elation from authorities, maximum effect.

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    Simon

    Deflection. This is identical to the NRA argument that guns don’t kill people, people do. The problem is that you can kill a lot more people with a semi automatic than a flintlock.
    Attribution studies clearly show that fire seasons are increasing in duration and sometimes in intensity.

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      clarence.t

      Attribution studies tell the author exactly what they want them to tell.

      They are basically biased, agenda driven guesswork.

      Intensity increase is because we are not maintaining the bush like we used to in the past.

      Real data shows global fires are decreasing..

      But don’t let facts get in the way of your misinformation..

      ….that would be too simple. !

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      clarence.t

      Have you found out the meaning of the word “science” yet..

      … so you can actually produce some?

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      Lance

      So, Simon, do please explain in detail how criminals observe laws, how neutering honest citizens their ability to defend themselves harms anyone, and how crime is lessened by weakening the populace?

      Do you know why honest citizens carry weapons? Because a Constable is too heavy.

      Constables are only minutes away, when seconds count.

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        Tilba Tilba

        So, Simon, do please explain in detail how criminals observe laws, how neutering honest citizens their ability to defend themselves harms anyone, and how crime is lessened by weakening the populace?

        The argument is that the Second Amendment did not foresee the advent of semi-automatic assault rifles, with the capacity to kill a hundred people in minutes. Plus the ready availability of these people-killing weapons in so many US states (often with very brief “background” checks) means that all sorts of nutters have the capacity to cause uncontrolled mayhem – which they do on a tragically regular basis.

        I think the elimination of all semi-automatics (long rifles and hand-guns) – and very strict background checking to say the least, would go a long way to help solve the mass shooting epidemic in the US. And a majority of Americans support gun control. The gun manufacturers (via the NRA and other astroturf outfits) keep the pot boiling.

        This is way outside arguments about having a gun or rifle for self-defence.

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      Yonniestone.

      Both the subject of arson and guns evoke the common theme “fire”, much like Climate Action and Marijuana laws evoke the word “dope”.

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    Philip

    Trees near houses are a very bad idea. We had a giant Blue Gum fall on our house and nearly killed the missus. Flattened the chair she was sitting on 1 minute before she got up to shut the door the storm had opened.

    The house is 3 sides surrounded by giant trees on a bush block and something had to be done obviously. We asked the neighbor to the west (Crown Lands) if we could remove 5 large trees only 5 metres from the house, to which they said to get a “report” done on each tree and send it in. My instincts thought that’s bureaucracy for no.

    I asked a few arborists and they said the same. So I further interrogated Crown Lands to which he confessed, “that is akin to land clearing and legislation protects native vegetation”. I said, “mate this tree nearly killed us, my wife and kids are terrified when storms come” to which he replied “you knew the risks when you bought the place” (the missus bought the place before I was around and she was a young city slicker at the time who had no idea of the risks).

    So I went to the RFS and asked to remove trees on our land, and a noodle armed green appeared from the offices and said condescendingly, “what we do for fire is probably not what you’re thinking” suggesting a report would need to be done and a burn may be considered, but forget tree clearing (you fool). I walked away dismayed.

    Depressed and out of hope, went to council, and low and behold there was an 8 year old unfinished DA that pre-existed on the property which specified an order from the RFS that up to 80% of the canopy had to be removed to the south and east for bushfire.

    Question is why the shirty response from the RFS when I inquired ? At no stage did he suggest anything like this. My guess is that was some old school legislation or person in the RFS, and today things may have changed ? Or was he just a cranky little green having a bad day?

    The 40 metres is a vast improvement but no where near enough to save us from fire. And the western trees on the crown land still exist, terrifying us when storms come (we leave the house).Yes, we are moving. Out west, away from hippies and crowds, and trees.

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    Tilba Tilba

    The 40 metres is a vast improvement but no where near enough to save us from fire. And the western trees on the crown land still exist, terrifying us when storms come (we leave the house).Yes, we are moving. Out west, away from hippies and crowds, and trees.

    A depressing and probably not a unique story. Even as a basic tree-hugging hippie, I still think it’s ridiculous that every eucalyptus in the country has to be protected – it’s not like they’re an endangered species. On the other hand, I also shake my head sometimes that people build and live in very bad fire-prone bushland … I guess they accept the risks.

    But overall, it seems to me reasonable that trees endangering property (either from toppling over, or in bushfires) can be readily removed without destroying the environment. And a lot of sensible forest management (clearing and cool burns) seems sensible as well.

    There is a happy, workable medium in there somewhere – but it always seems very hard to achieve.

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      clarence.t

      The happy medium is to allow people to control their own property.

      They moved into these areas because they like trees, but they should still have the right to remove hazardous one without facing huge fines and green-tape.

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      Kalm Keith

      I totally agree: it can be six, but just as often it’s half a dozen.

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    ren

    A warning to Australians. After the second La Ninia (rather weak) will come years of neutral ENSO.

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    Tilba Tilba

    A warning to Australians. After the second La Ninia (rather weak) will come years of neutral ENSO.

    There are interesting anthropological arguments that suggest that Aboriginal People – particularly in well-watered eastern areas – weren’t that keen on nomadism, but the ENSO cycles over millennia meant that there was no reliable weather to allow settled agriculture. So they stuck to being hunters & gatherers. Sounds sensible to me.

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      yarpos

      yes I am sure settled agriculture crossed their minds quite often

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      Lucky

      Bruce Pascoe has announced finding documents describing social cost benefit analysis studies done by our first nation peoples some millennia back. They considered the transformation from hunter gatherer to agriculture and decided to go straight to industrialization. Full details to be available when Pascoe has transcribed the computer code used. Pascoe reveals how that decision gave greater resilience considering predictions on climate change caused by white male patriarchy.

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    ren

    Heavy storms will return to southern Germany tomorrow (August 13).

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    Neville

    From TT.

    “There are interesting anthropological arguments that suggest that Aboriginal People – particularly in well-watered eastern areas – weren’t that keen on nomadism, but the ENSO cycles over millennia meant that there was no reliable weather to allow settled agriculture. So they stuck to being hunters & gatherers. Sounds sensible to me”.

    Gosh so now you admit that climate changes over thousands of years and co2 levels about 280 ppm.
    Just to confirm it look up the 1839 to 2017 three city Ashcroft study ( fairly consistent rainfall,droughts, floods etc) and other PR studies that detail very long periods of drought for SW WA (2021 O’Donnell et al) and for Eastern OZ ( Vance et al) etc. AGAIN co2 280 ppm.
    Then perhaps you’ll start to wake up? And Willis and Dr Christy have shown us the data for global rainfall + droughts etc so now we can start to relax.
    Oh and deaths from droughts and floods are ZIP today compared to earlier times. Population then 1 to 2 bn and today 7.8 bn. AGAIN just look up the data for yourself. Here’s the proper data AGAIN.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/04/25/wheres-the-emergency/

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      clarence.t

      Yep, Australian climate has always been highly variable, as have many other places in the world.

      We are lucky to live in a period of “not-much-untoward-happening”.

      There is no climate emergency, except in the feeble minds of climate computer gamers.

      Increased CO2 does not retain energy in the atmosphere. Data proves that while there is a decrease of OLR in the narrow CO2 band, as expected, it is more than compensated by an increase in a much wider band of OLR in the atmospheric window.

      The absorbed energy in the CO2 band is being thermalised to the rest of the atmosphere and rejected at a different frequency, exactly as atmospheric physics controlled by the gravity based lapse rate would dictate.

      https://i.postimg.cc/FRtCjkyG/Radiative-change.jpg

      OLR is increasing, in line with atmospheric temperatures

      https://i.postimg.cc/76VcwYzV/OLR-increase.jpg

      The only way this can happen is if the energy causing the mind but highly beneficial warming is from an exterior source.

      This is actually that big hot shiny object in the sky, which we call The Sun, modulated by a decrease in cloud cover over the tropical oceans.

      https://www.climate4you.com/images/HadCRUT3%20and%20TropicalCloudCoverISCCP.gif

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    Brenda Spence

    Now our premier, Mark McGowan is going toinsist on vaccination cards to come into WA. Here comes the Delta carriers.

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    CHRIS

    I note that in the latest IPCC report, there is low confidence relating to CAGW and floods/fires/cyclone intensity. Remember that the purpose of the IPCC is to promote global Socialism, and has nothing to do with Climate. While gullible governments throw millions at this corrupt organisation, the IPCC elites will have their snouts in the trough.

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    There is a new paradigm in bushfire/wildfire combat. These solutions address drought plus bushfire mitigation and combat, developed by an Australian soldier and a veteran VIC firefighter. Several Australian Royal Commissions have ignored our efforts, as has our own ABC TV.

    Why were these Fire fighting Vehicle Absent from the Black Summer 2020 Firegrounds?

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