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Arizona Audit finds thousands of dodgy votes, Senator says “decertify the election”

US Flag, Flying.Biden won Arizona (theoretically anyway) by 10,457 votes.  But mail-in ballots went forth and must have multiplied because 74,000 baby new ballots appeared in the final count that were never posted out. Strangely – after the election was over, 18,000 voters just disappeared off the rolls while 11,000 appeared from nowhere. The latter were people who weren’t on the rolls on November 7th, yet they voted, and then were on the rolls on by December 4th.

Despite Biden winning he’s had the most dreadful luck — the voting software was old and easily breached, and all the access logs showing the Democrat’s complete innocence were somehow completely wiped in March — just like that, poof? Then there were the ballots that were printed on different paper that bled, even though all votes were meant to be on bleedproof Votesecure paper?

And some  people wonder why doubts about the Biden Government don’t go away…

Final results are coming soon:

Arizona Audit Finds Massive Irregularities, Including More Than 74,000 Mail-In Ballots Counted Than Mailed Out

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More than 74,000 mail-in ballots were received in Maricopa County, Arizona than appear to have been mailed out, a forensic audit has determined. According to the auditors, 74,243 mail-in ballots were counted with “no clear record of them being sent.”

18,000 voters disappeared, 11,326 voters appeared — after the election

Logan went on to say they found around 18,000 voters who participated in the election, but were removed from the rolls soon after.

“They were on the voter rolls, they showed as voted, and then they were removed,” he said. “There could be a good logical explanation for that, but it seems like a large number to me.”

Another 11,326 voters in Maricopa County were not on voter rolls on Nov. 7 but mysteriously appeared on voter rolls on Dec. 4 and were marked as having voted in the Nov. 3 election, Logan said.

Strange poor quality paper

The auditors also found that large numbers of ballots bled through to the other side, potentially impacting votes. Maricopa County, Logan explained, announced before the election that it would be using special “VoteSecure” paper that that did not allow ink to bleed through to the other side of the ballot, yet they found thousands of ballots that were not on VoteSecure paper.

Trump says:

The irregularities revealed at the hearing today amount to hundreds of thousands of votes or, many times what is necessary for us to have won. Despite these massive numbers, this is the State that Fox News called early for a Biden victory. There was no victory here, or in any other of the Swing States either.

 The highly respected State Senator Wendy Rogers said in a tweet the hearing today means we must decertify the election.

Tucker Carlson  on Georgia: “how is that not flat out criminal ballots?”

So its been a long time coming, but Carlson is now asking excellent questions about elections.

Kyle Becker reports that Dominion Voting System’s Website has now gone offline right after Tucker’s Report & the Arizona Audit Findings.

It follows Tucker Carlson’s bombshell report on Fulton County, Georgia that shows the voter integrity group VoterGA revealing thousands of votes appeared to have been erroneously marked in ballot tallies for Joe Biden.

“At least 36 batches of mail-in ballots from the November election were double-counted in Fulton County, that is a total of at least 4,000 votes,” he said.

Trump lost Georgia by 12,284 votes.

 

ht RossP,  V,  Wokebuster

PS: I just got out of hospital today. Feeling OK but very tired. I’m the all new metallic woman with a plate screwed into her bones (like so many other people). Thanks for all the shared stories and information. I feel lucky to have straight bones today when so many didn’t get that chance.

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228 comments to Arizona Audit finds thousands of dodgy votes, Senator says “decertify the election”

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    tonyb

    Jo

    Where is your leadership? Surely the metallic plate took lots of industrial processes spewing out Co2? Couldn’t you have used a cardboard plate and set an example?

    Glad to hear you are out and about(ish)

    Will be interesting to see how this ballot story develops.

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      Curious George

      Jo, welcome to the world of cyborgs. My hip is a high quality titanium.

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        John F Hultquist

        If I look for info on adverse effects, there are many. But deaths are rare and often in a category of folks that had a known reason for being cautious.
        They might better have taken a route that kept them away from encountering the virus.
        This is a complicated situation. I await TROTS.

        If you haven’t read about the history of Titanium’s use in the repair of human bones – search it up. As with many scientific advances a person’s education and experience prepared them to recognize an unexpected surprise.

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          John F Hultquist

          Oops!
          First part of that I put on No Tricks Zone. I did not mean for it to appear here. Further, I only put half of it here.
          Double sorry.
          John

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        Strop

        Not sure what all the fuss is about metal in the body. Pretty sure it occurs naturally given my brain is rusty and my joints need oiling.

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        GD

        Following a bike accident, I have a titanium arm. Watch out! Even though I’m a doddering sixty-something retiree, I can now pack a punch.

        Well not actually, as I have to shield the titanium part of my arm to avoid any pain.

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      Yonniestone.

      Jo you are our Iron Maiden both metaphorically and now physically, more than ever trolls will attempt the Flight of Icarus only to Run For The Hills.

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    John R Smith

    Blue State American here.
    The election will not be decertified no matter the level of fraud exposed.
    2022 will be the weathervane.
    In my state the Dems have permanent institutional power.
    They are like satin and gold clothed emperors the constantly go on about their concern for the poor.
    It is a genteel corruption that only history political junkies like myself can even see, and a precious few of those are impolite enough, or courageous enough to admit.
    With their tech and media shock troops in the van, the globalists (syn. Democrats) have used the CV to structurally alter the election process.
    My Congressman did not even campaign.
    The Democrats could burn cities and still win.
    Wait … they already did.

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      William Astley

      This is a fight for the next election, not the last election. We are fighting for the hearts and minds of our citizens. We need to change the paradigm.

      Our side has no choice but to escalate. Organized 2020 US election fixing and cheating, at a time of war, is treason and it is evidence that US is under attack and the media has been taken over/controlled. Treason is different than politics.

      Biden is obviously an autopilot for the evil conspiracy. The problem is the US is failing too fast. Too much lying and cheating is required to hide the treasonous acts. Opening the US southern border for example. The increase in violence in every Democrat controlled city.

      The tactical risk for CNN, Democratic party of America, BBC, and so on… If they caught lying and spreading propaganda at a time of war. They become the enemy.

      It ‘explains’ how and why all of the super powerful media/internet companies are now filtering and blocking…. working together to hide stuff… like the 2020 US election fraud or the origin of Covid question.

      The Democrats have a tactical problem. Their evil plan to sabotage the US is working too well. The US system and democracy is failing in realtime because of the Democratic party.

      The US public are losing their trust and respect for the Democratic party.

      If you were a US senator what would you do? The US senators are under attack. BLM has and are sending organized ‘protestors’ to Washington (staying in five star hotels), to harass senators in public (like restaurants) and at their homes. This is to intimidate and to create fear.

      The BLM/CNN/Democratic Party of America purposely encouraging violent attacks and actions like defund the police which resulted in more violence and purposeless evil stupid anger. That is the objective of ‘critical’ race theory is to create racism and fights.

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        el gordo

        ‘This is a fight for the next election, not the last election.’

        Yep, but if they don’t get it right the next time then we can safely say US democracy is on the skids.

        ‘American exceptionalism is the idea that the United States is inherently different from other nations. Its proponents argue that the values, political system, and historical development of the U.S. are unique in human history, often with the implication that the country “is both destined and entitled to play a distinct and positive role on the world stage.’ (wiki)

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          TedM

          “Yep, but if they don’t get it right the next time then we can safely say US democracy is on the skids.”

          If they don’t correct what happened in the 2020 election then US democracy is on the skids because the Democrats/globalists/marxists will control the outcome of the 2022 election.

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            Kalm Keith

            It is that urgent.

            Now or never.

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            Richard Jenkins

            TedM #2
            This must be punished or democracy is over. Political Criminals must be exposedd including Biden.
            Take time and let Americans suffer the Democrat ignorance in their hip pokcet, shortages and queues. Many people only react when personaly hurt.
            After Christmas the anger will be huge senile Biden and giggling Harris will be generally hated. The fraud proof will be welcomed to restore livelihood.
            The MSM may even have to react honestly when money is tight, goods expensive and socialism broken.
            Jan 6 will be blamed on Pellosi, ANTIFA and the compliant polce. Pelosi’s aim was to disrrupt questions on fraud states and they did.
            The acts of Biden will be from an illegal govrernment and hence worthless trash.
            Remember Trump on Jan 11. That will be realized.
            Trump will have to be reinstated. As this will be less than 2 years of Trump’s return he will be able to run in 2024.
            I hope he does that with a great VP.
            Forget 2022 election as it is premature to talk about elections in USA before it is demonstrated that fraud will not be tolerated.
            Note 19 other states sent observers to Arizona and they apprecited the use of forensic methods and procedures in the audit.

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          Serp

          Who will assess whether or not they “get it right the next time”? Can’t you see there will be no “next time”? The groups now setting about censoring SMS are well ahead of the repressive wave.

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          Zigmaster

          The Democrats cannot afford to lose control of the country something that their voting rules are designed to avoid. It’s not just control they desire but personal freedom they will sacrifice if they lose out at the mid terms. A Republican controlled country will have to try the true US insurrectionists ,those that orchestrated this election fraud. This must include leading politicians, leading public servants, leading media figures. Those responsible for this massive fraud need to be incarcerated . I suspect this process will be helped by thousands of whistleblowers who will be willing to provide illuminating information to save their own skins and shine light on the real puppet masters.
          The shock waves will be massive.
          I hope I’m right because if the Democrats can avoid scrutiny by staying in power , as election fraud information is discovered and made public there is a real risk of civil disobedience bordering on civil war .

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            Sceptical Sam

            They’d better pull their collective finger out.

            I’ll believe the Republicans when I see some real action.

            At the moment – as through most of President Trump’s presidency – the Republicans were part of the problem.

            I don’t hold out much hope of seeing anything much change. All talk, no action. Increasingly, that’s the American way.

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              Greg Cavanagh

              It is now obvious that many Republics were installed just as the Democrats were installed. They are called RINO’s, but I believe it’s worse than that, they are full Democrats in sheep’s clothing. Infiltration.

              They are not an opposition, they are the same people pretending to be in opposition.

              The Republic party could also fall because of this institutional corruption.

              It’s going to take something special to correct out of this situation, and from what I’ve seen so far, it looks like everybody is opposing correction.

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        Clearly Biden intends to remodel America with huge numbers of illegal now crossing the border

        https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9791731/Staggering-projections-1M-migrants-apprehended-border-January.html

        Is this still a big issue in the US or has it faded from public concern?

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          John F Hultquist

          It (border) is a big issue that suffers from mental fatigue and the daily news cycle. Almost every day brings a news-worthy event – think the collapse of the condo in Florida, or flooding in Europe, or a bloody weekend in Philadelphia.
          Did you note that when the VP finally visited the border, she stayed as far away (about 800 miles) from the problem as she could get. The Biden/Harris administration and the “lefty” media control the narrative.

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            OriginalSteve

            Id suggest places like Gab.com that is run by Andrew Torba who is both Christian and fervently pro free speech is possibly one of the last places of resistance that people can exercise thier 1st Amendment rights of free speech. The platform owner has been refused banking and merchant services purely it appears for refusing to bow to the Leftist corrosive ideology, and by the grace of God, is still going.

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              Ian

              Why is being a Christian relevant to the running of a social media network?

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                Plain Jane

                Being christian shows that,maybe, and hopefully, she has a moral conscience. Also on a worldwide scale, part of a repressed minority. Also a signal that she is not on the side of evil and repression, that there are values greater than power and money and compulsion. Maybe, hopefully. I am not usually religious, but I think I can see widespread evil loose in the world, or in the west for a change anyway.

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                tom0mason

                “Why is being a Christian relevant to the running of a social media network?”
                Maybe because an identified Christian comes with a whole raft of personal behavioral and moral obligations that the majority of American identify with. …

                From Public Religion Research Institute (PRRI)
                https://www.prri.org/research/2020-census-of-american-religion/

                Seven in ten Americans (70%) identify as Christian, including more than four in ten who identify as white Christian and more than one-quarter who identify as Christian of color. Nearly one in four Americans (23%) are religiously unaffiliated, and 5% identify with non-Christian religions.

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                clarence.t

                Its all about basic human morality and decency, Ian

                No wonder you query it !

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          RossP

          Tonyb

          You do not seriously think ” Clearly Biden intends to remodel America…”. Biden has nothing to do will it. He is a barely functioning puppet. Obama & co are running operations. Who is pulling their strings ? There are probably a group rather than one person or organisation.

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            GTB

            There is an organisation in our world that is dedicated to the promotion of its leader and the destruction of democratic and Protestant values at all costs. Its operatives are in all countries. They endeavour to climb to positions of influence in many organisations, like Fauci, and especially in the political realm. They operate the best intelligence network in the world and even have their own bank so there is no shortage of money to carry out their endeavours. They become advisors to politicians, prime ministers, presidents and kings. They are prepared to do anything to promote their cause, even starting wars and arranging assassinations. They hate the American constitution and the freedom it stands for. Since the establishment of the United States they have done their best to destroy it.

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            yarpos

            I think everybody , even the Dem rank and file, knows Biden isnt functional. Saying Biden is just easier than saying The Ruling Democrat Junta.

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        John R Smith

        “If you were a US senator what would you do?”
        Well let’s see …
        If I were a US Senator I would probably have a about 4 homes and one of them would be in a remote secure location, off grid capable, cattle and crops, with highly defensible approaches.
        I wouldn’t have been affected by the ammo shortage.
        I would of had rich parents.
        I’d have health care.
        Which would allow me to work until I’m 90.
        I would never shop, mow, or do laundry or wash clothes or dishes.
        I wouldn’t have trouble solving issues with my bank since they closed all their in person service.
        I’d have a 25 year retired Green Beret as my personal trainer.
        I’d buy a Tesla just for fun.
        I’d never share an elevator with Chuck Schumer.
        I would never have gone to Epstein Island.
        I’d have good internet service.
        I’d put a heroic statue of my father in my home town (actual WWII hero, maybe get the movie made cause the truth is way wilder than fiction).
        I wouldn’t have to vent on a climate blog to maintain my sanity.
        Sanity would likely not be expected of me.
        I’d be more obnoxious.

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          PeterS

          Actually that description would be a better fit for many so called conservatives today then most lefties. The real conservatives on the other hand would be very different.

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          William

          A certain Congresswoman who is nominally second in line for the Presidency (after Harris and Dr Jill) ticks a few of those boxes John!

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        OldOzzie

        Organized 2020 US election fixing and cheating, at a time of war, is treason and it is evidence that US is under attack and the media has been taken over/controlled. Treason is different than politics.

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        The undated chilling video is clear in its message.

        “When we liberate Taiwan, if Japan dares to intervene by force, even it if only deploys one soldier, one plane and one ship, we will not only return reciprocal fire but also start a full-scale war against Japan,” the video says.

        “We will use nuclear bombs first. We will use nuclear bombs continuously until Japan declares unconditional surrender for the second time,” referring to the end of World War II and Japan’s surrender after the United States used atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

        From the Comments

        We all know China fears our transgender warriors because diversity is our strength. I’d laugh but my family depends on woke flag officers who are political hacks to protect us from international enemies. China has already purchased our president so they don’t fear him.
        &
        Biden would never stand up to his masters.

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          yarpos

          If they said that they must have already stolen all the available IP and can avoid to nuke the place As for OZ , the Brisbane line may come into play again as they just want us as a quarry, so nuke everything below. Maybe we will get lucky and they will need some unpolluted farmland, you can live in hope I guess.

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      Roger Knights

      Perhaps the Georgia senatorial elections can be undone.

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      Ronin

      What would happen if the dems lost the midterms, has it ever happened.

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    MR166

    The sad fact is that here in the US the Justice Department and FBI are political operatives just like the old Russian KGB!!! The 24/7 assault against President Trump made this self evident. The Deep State is in control and they are not even worried about hiding it any more. “It is not who votes that counts it is who counts the votes that counts”!

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    MrGrimNasty

    I doubt these audit results will get much exposure, except to rubbish. The people/companies methods are already being smeared, e.g. BBC calls it a “‘fraudit’ fuelled by sore losers”.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-57558537

    Biden was given a double shot of Zolpidem(probably!) and whisked off for a rare outing to Pennsylvania to try and head off/discredit another audit.

    It’s seems not unlikely that the election was stolen, but any proof of that will be as contested as the original result.

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      OriginalSteve

      If the election was run cleanly, what do they have to hide?

      If on the other hand it was dodgy…they would be using every opportunity and excuse to hide the facts….

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      Peter C

      The Australian Newspaper today (Weekend Australian) did not even mention the Arizona Audit. They have been consistently ignoring it from the beginning 2 months ago.

      I had expected that they might be looking for a way to walk back from that stance, now that the results of the audit are starting to come out. Those results are deeply embarrassing to the USA in general and the Democrats in particular.

      There must be journalists at the Murdoch papers that know about this and would like to write about it. There may be other explanations but the one that makes the most sense is that they have been told not to by their editors and ultimately the Murdochs themselves.

      Public faith in the newspaper can only go down.

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        Ian

        Possibly The Australian does not regard the Arizona Audit of particular interest to Australian readers.

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          Chris

          At the beginning of the US Election campaign , The Australian writers went from trying to be objective and honest to name calling Trump hating raging Democrats . It was obscene to watch, no article was too derogatory. I’ve watched The Australian writers lie by omission and any commentator that called them out was excluded. Only group think “orange man bad” was permitted. Since the election any suggestion that there might be something to suggest they may have been electoral fraud was stamped out. Trump’s personality, motives and sanity were ridiculed . There has been no criticism of Biden or his executive orders. The Australian ‘s cancelling of Trump is compatible with that of Facebook, Twitter and Google.
          Don’t expect to see anything regarding election fraud or anything to suggest Trump was right.

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        el gordo

        Its not newsworthy and in my opinion that shows editorial responsibility.

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          Kalm Keith

          Of course it’s not newsworthy as it only relates to the end of stable civilization.

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            el gordo

            It appears new laws are being enacted to restrict voting, but the Feds have a strategy in place.

            https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/voting-laws-roundup-may-2021

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            Ian

            :”Of course it’s not newsworthy as it only relates to the end of stable civilization.”

            Really? It ranks nowhere near WW1 and W11 or Vietnam or the Cuban crisis or the GFC or, in some people’s opinion, Climate Change.

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              el gordo

              What the Republicans are doing is “un-American” and “un-democratic” according to the President and I support him.

              Climate change is the most important issue of our time.

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                GD

                Are you nuts?

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                el gordo

                I haven’t been professionally diagnosed.

                From an Australian perspective US democracy is irrelevant and global cooling proves beyond reasonable doubt that the world has been looking the wrong way. This big lie makes climate change the most important issue of our time.

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              clarence.t

              The destruction of the US by rampant marxism and totalitarian socialism obviously doesn’t concern you.

              You haven’t thought of the consequences, have you.

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        Kalm Keith

        Like a number of people here I’ve basically stopped buying The Australian, except on Saturday.

        Even this, it seems, is a waste of time and money because after flicking through there’s little of substance and the only useful bit is the Sudoku puzzles.

        Yesterday, the only bit that I related to was a very brief quote from Jacinta Price; she’s one who seems grounded and sensible in a world of weirdness.

        But that’s the end for me, no more Australian: save $4.50.

        The media, radio and newspaper, isn’t of any value and is only used to herd the masses into thinking “correctly”.

        A total dead end.

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      Custer Van Cleef

      The BBC is irredeemable at this point — it needs to be broken into pieces and sold off.

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    Peter Fitzroy

    Of course, the alternative version does look a bit more believable

    for example the voting machines were air gapped, and certified, or the 74,000 number came from a group called Cyber Ninjas – who have no experience or expertise in audits.

    Finally even the auditors admit they do not have the evidence they need.

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      clarence.t

      “does look a bit more believable”

      Only to you, Peter.

      But then, none of your comments are even remotely believable.

      I’m guessing you would always supported what is pretty obviously deliberate fráúd, to get the marxists in power.

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        Tilba Tilba

        I’m guessing you would always supported what is pretty obviously deliberate fráúd [sic], to get the marxists in power.

        LOL I find it hilarious when people use (or misuse) terms like “marxist” (a bit like “communist” or “socialist”) to try and scare the kiddies.

        The reality is that the Democrats are no more Marxist than the Republicans … they are both conservative, mainstream parties who comfortably operate entirely within the capitalist paradigm.

        The real worry it seems to me is the huge lurch to the Right by the Republicans … undemocratic, pro-Trump, and riddled with far-right nutters, insurrectionists, and conspiracy peddlers. That party is in real trouble.

        I don’t know whether the election was stolen or not, but it’s going to take a lot more than the “Cyber Ninjas” circus in Phoenix to convince me or anyone non-partisan.

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          Analitik

          huge lurch to the right by the Republicans

          Is wanting to get out of overseas conflicts instigated by previous administrations, reducing federal overreach on social and economic matters, abiding by the word of The Constitution (rather than continually “interpreting” it) trying to assess science rather than following “The Science” and looking after the rights of current citizens” right wing”?

          I’d rather be right than left if that is the definition

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          Ronin

          “The reality is that the Democrats are no more Marxist than the Republicans … they are both conservative, mainstream parties who comfortably operate entirely within the capitalist paradigm.”

          Oh, listen to this dribble.

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          GD

          I find it hilarious when people use (or misuse) terms like “marxist”

          I find it hilarious when people misuse terms like “conservative” and “far-right”.

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          clarence.t

          I find it hilarious seeing the denial of far-left socialists/marxists to an agenda that has been published far and wide.

          Democrats run by a dementia-ridden puppet fake president, destroying capitalism in the USA by government decree…

          … aiming for a socialist/marxist utopia.

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          clarence.t

          “or anyone non-partisan”

          Coming from a rabid leftist marxist, very droll !

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            Tilba Tilba

            You’re a real card, Clarry – an absolute hoot.

            Now – would you like to list five things about me that you know, that would make me a “rabid leftist marxist” – I really am quite fascinated.

            The floor is yours – take all the time you need

            [Guys, Please don’t turn this into a thread about Tilba-the-anonymous. He’s not worth it. – Jo]

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        Ian

        The audit is far from over but as is apparent it seems as if those doing the auditing are very naive.

        For instance the headline of this thread is “Arizona Audit finds thousands of dodgy votes, Senator says “decertify the election”

        US Flag, Flying.Biden won Arizona (theoretically anyway) by 10,457 votes. But mail-in ballots went forth and must have multiplied because 74,000 baby new ballots appeared in the final count that were never posted out.

        This is based on the claim by Logan “we have 74,243 mail-in ballots where there is no clear record of them being sent” to people in the mail.

        However the reality is the number Logan cited to make this allegation was actually a combination of mail ballots and in-person early ballots, which of course would not have been sent to anyone in the mail.

        Logan also claimed there were 11,326 people who didn’t show up on the voter rolls on Nov. 7 who later appeared on the final voter rolls on Dec. 4. “I cannot think of a logical explanation of why that would be,” he declared.

        However there was a logical explanation. The voter rolls would appear different between these two dates if the ballots in question were “received and processed on election day,” because ballots received on Election Day are not part of the count in question.

        Again Logan’s lack of understanding of the election process has lead to a false but easily rebutted conclusion

        https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/07/trump-declares-victory-arizona-audit-debunked.html

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          Analitik

          That Slate articles has plenty of opinions presented as facts.
          Pretty much the (low) level of argument I have come to expect from you, Ian.

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            Ian

            So it wasn’t fact that Logan did not know or chose not to reveal he did know that, incorrectly, combining mail-in votes with in-person voting explained the apparent anomaly?

            So, it was not fact just opinion that in-person votes are not sent in the mail? Perhaps both Logan and you think they are.

            And it was not fact just opinion that ballots received on election day are not part of the vote in question?

            Yeah right.

            Like so many here, you dismiss facts you don’t like as opinion without providing any evidence to support that claim. Just because facts don’t fit your opinion does not make them incorrect.

            So will you provide a link to an article or articles that states in-person votes and mail-in votes should be combined and that ballots received on election day are part of the count in question? I very much doubt you will.

            And as I doubt you will read the article the facts I quoted were not dreamt up by Slate but came from local ABC News politics and data analyst Garrett Archer. But as he is from the ABC no doubt you will claim he is lying or it is purely opinion. Again, Yeah right.

            And as for my argument being low at least I provide some facts which you don’t, at least not on this occasion. So the level of argument you provide is zero.

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              clarence.t

              Yawn

              Massive irregularities.

              No you didn’t provide a single fact, no numbers anywhere, just generic non-statements unbacked by any empirical evidence.

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              GD

              the facts I quoted were not dreamt up by Slate but came from local ABC News politics and data analyst Garrett Archer

              Hilarious!

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          clarence.t

          You should get a new career writing fantasy and fairy tales, Ian

          There is nothing but empty fluff in that crude Slate attempt to distract.

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            Ian

            Ah clarence.t How unsurprising you’ve turned up with yet another inane comment.

            Fantasy and fairy tales eh?

            So in your opinion you’re more knowledgeable about the voting procedures than local journos?

            Course you are! You’re omniscient aren’t you?

            Here is what was actually written in the article in Slate

            “Indeed, some of those alternative-reality numbers that Logan presented sounded astonishing, but were almost immediately debunked.

            Logan claimed, for instance, that “we have 74,243 mail-in ballots where there is no clear record of them being sent” to people in the mail. As local ABC News politics and data analyst Garrett Archer almost immediately reported, the number Logan cited to make this allegation was actually a combination of mail ballots and in-person early ballots, which of course would not have been sent to anyone in the mail.

            Is that a fantasy or a fairy tale? Only in Logan’s head and of course, possibly in your’s too. I miss actually fact. Oh so sorry. I forgot you were scared of facts you don’t like

            To continue with the Slate article

            “Logan also claimed with an almost sheepish, gotcha grin that there were 11,326 people who didn’t show up on the voter rolls on Nov. 7 who later appeared on the final voter rolls on Dec. 4. “I cannot think of a logical explanation of why that would be,” he declared.

            There was a logical explanation that Archer tweeted out, almost immediately: The voter rolls would appear different between these two dates if the ballots in question were “received and processed on election day,” because ballots received on Election Day are not part of the count in question.”

            Not my fantasy and fairy tales clarence.t

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              clarence.t

              No numbers. just whinging fluff

              You think adding 11,326 people to the rolls overnight isn’t sus? Really !

              Where are the voter registration forms ?

              Excuse given is purely speculative garbage.

              No numbers of the split between fake mail-in or other fake votes. Fantasy again !

              You present no evidence, Ian, and you know it.

              Massive irregularities.. just what the DemoRats need to win an election.

              And you condone it !

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                Ian

                No numbers. just whinging fluff.

                That’s because there are no other numbers given. Unlike you I don’t make things up but only write what I can refer back to.

                You think adding 11,326 people to the rolls overnight isn’t sus? Really

                Jeez you have a very poor memory and/or don’t check facts. Were 11,326 people added to the rolls overnight? Any evidence for that? It certainly wasn’t in the article which stated

                “there were 11,326 people who didn’t show up on the voter rolls on Nov. 7 who later appeared on the final voter rolls on Dec. 4.”

                That’s a month later not overnight.

                The reason for an increase was “The voter rolls would appear different between these two dates if the ballots in question were “received and processed on election day,” because ballots received on Election Day are not part of the count in question.”

                Where are the voter registration forms ?

                No idea Logan didn’t’ say.. There is no mention of them in the article

                Excuse given is purely speculative garbage.

                Excuse for what. I didn’t give any excuses nor did anyone else

                No numbers of the split between fake mail-in or other fake votes. Fantasy again !

                Not given probably because there were either no or very few such votes

                I only comment on what is there not what I think is there

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                clarence.t

                Dig deep on the imaginary excuses, Ian

                Its all you have. No evidence whatsoever.

                You are only fooling yourself, as usual.

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                Disco Stu

                Ian, you have misunderstood or blatently ignored the question from Clarence. If people do not appear on the voting roll prior to the election, they should not be able to vote. So why did they all get added to the voting roll and get marked as having voted in an election they were not eligible to vote in? Noting of course that the number of ineligible voters who voted is larger than Biden’s winning margin.

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              Tilba Tilba

              Your arguments and reasoning are very strong, Ian, but the rightwing trolls won’t be persuaded.

              They are so deeply invested in the “stolen election” trope – and have been for months despite no court agreeing with them – that they desperately want the Beagle Boys exercise in Arizona to prove it – irrespective of how insanely inaccurate and sloppy it all is.

              So when you provide facts and logic they can’t tolerate, they come out blazing – shooting the messenger. It’s the way of the world on just about every forum and chatroom, unfortunately.

              [Tilba hypocrisy is noted, oh ye of righteous “right wing trolls” who claims he never namecalls. – Jo]

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          Serp

          Sorry Ian, after seeing what has been written by Analitik and clarence.t I lost interest in following the link.

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          Tilba Tilba

          Again Logan’s lack of understanding of the election process has lead to a false but easily rebutted conclusion

          Logan was “selected” by the partisan AZ Senators precisely because he IS a Trump shill, and a self-confessed “stolen election” dude … hardly the scientific and independent audit team that such an exercise would require – even if one made the big leap to agree that it was warranted.

          I don’t think he is naïve at all – he’s going to do the job that his secret donors want him to do … he doesn’t have to worry about losing his election-audit reputation, because he doesn’t have one.

          Will it be any wonder when fair-minded and non-partisan observers reject and ridicule “findings” that are so easily explained? I think the AZ Senators have made a big error in selecting this very partisan crowd, and it will do them more harm than good, in the long run.

          I assume a lot of Arizona voters won’t be too impressed by the huge waste of time and money in winding up with flawed results.

          But like religion, or global warming, or even vaccine efficacy – people’s minds are made up about the 2020 election, and there will be no changing their views.

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            clarence.t

            A plaintive whining noise..

            Someone actually looks and, as expected by everyone in the world,

            massive irregularities are found.

            Why do you think the Texas DemoRats are faking voter registration concern, making a pitiful charade game out of it.

            They cannot afford, ever, to have properly identified voting. !

            Yes, it is obvious that no amount of facts will change your mind, bent far-left, no matter what !

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          markx

          Look, the great thing is the Arizona GOP managed to find a completely independent, and very competent company to carry out a sophisticated audit: 🙂

          https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/05/19/gop-arizona-election-audit/
          https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/14/house-democrats-probe-arizona-election-audit-by-cyber-ninjas.html

          Doug Logan: “Logan himself is a “Stop the Steal” supporter who has been known to tout election conspiracy theories, particularly those in favor of former President Donald Trump….”

          https://www.businessinsider.com.au/doug-logan-cyber-ninjas-arizona-audit-election-conspiracy-theory-film-2021-6?r=US&IR=T

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      Harves

      If Cyber Ninjas we’re guilty why did they open up their audit to observers from both sides and have multiple videos recording everything they did? Quite the opposite behaviour to those election officials who removed everyone from the room and then resuming counting. The cheats chose not to observe, so they could then make the same baseless claim you are making.

      The thing is, every claim they’ve made can be easily verified or not. Either there is a record of these 74,000 mail ins being sent out or not? If they have ‘made up’ these 74,000 votes then it won’t tally with the original count. If the 74,000 are part of the count but there’s no record of them being mailed then I think even you might be able to draw the correct conclusion….

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        TedM

        sound reasoning Harves, but it will be wasted on PF.

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          Analitik

          Replies to PF are always wasted on him but highlight to those new here, the delusional/partisan thinking behind his comments.

          Of course, all of us who have been around for any length of time know who he fronts for.

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            Ian

            “those new here, the delusional/partisan thinking behind his comments.”

            Those new here will soon discover there’s a whole new world of delusional/partisan

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              clarence.t

              “a whole new world of delusional”

              One in exist purely in Ian’s little mind. !

              Delusional leftism at its worst. !

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              Analitik

              Oh yes. You, Peter and Simon are here to provide the balanced view since many here choose not to source our views from The Drum, Insight, QandA and our information from Fairfax , the ABC, SBS and The Guardian

              Thanks fellas

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              Peter C

              Indeed they will Ian, at least those newbies who are interested enough to read the comments.

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        Tel

        Don’t start being logical with Peter … you know it never ends well.

        But yeah, the whole point of the way elections are done is so they can be audited. If there is not full documentation available then, the election was not done right in the first place. If evidence is missing or was deleted, that’s the fault of the election officials … not the fault of the auditors … and it should at the very least trigger mass sackings, or if serious enough invalidate the results.

        As for the machines being protected by an “air gap”, that’s the biggest load of rubbish … many eyewitnesses saw them connected to the Internet and the Dominion instruction manuals told the operators to connect them to the Internet. Those log files didn’t delete themselves, did they?

        Hand counted paper ballots with lots of scrutineers is the only way to run a clean election … even that can have fraud but it’s a lot more difficult to hide it with paper. I’ve worked with computers all my life and they are great for some tasks, but not for elections.

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          Tilba Tilba

          Hand counted paper ballots with lots of scrutineers is the only way to run a clean election

          Australian House of Reps ballot papers are easy enough to count (even with ranked choice), but the Senate paper is a nightmare – in some states they’re as big as a small tablecloth. I think a machine-readable ballot papers – at least for the Senate – would be a huge advance.

          In the US however, they run everything on that Tuesday in November – from president, senators, reps, and state legislators, right down to judges, school boards, sheriffs and dog-catcher. And populations are so huge in many places that a machine readable ballot is realistically the only way to go about it. It’s not hard to do it securely, it seems to me.

          Attacking election officials on the basis of rumours is wrong in my view – they are overwhelmingly committed to being impartial and accurate. I also believe the scuttlebutt about Dominion machines being tampered with to switch votes remains wholly unproven as well.

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            yarpos

            Its broken into States and Counties so they could do it if they chose to. You are correct though they make everything complex and difficult/impossible to manage properly by fragmenting everything, then perversely glorifying monoliths like Google and Amazon despite anti trust laws.

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            clarence.t

            And yet, when the Republicans try to tidy up the voter registration system..

            …. the DemoRats squeal and wail like demented banshees.

            Why would that be ?

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            Harves

            Attacking election officials on the basis of rumours is wrong in my view – they are overwhelmingly committed to being impartial and accurate.

            What about attacking them on the basis of video evidence showing votes being counted multiple times after counting was stopped and scrutineers had been sent home? Or was that just a rumour I was watching?

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              Harves

              Here’s just another rumour I suppose Tilba?
              When Voter GA finally forced Fulton County to turn over the tally sheets, the conclusion was stunning. Here’s what the audit found, quote: “Seven falsified audit tally sheets containing fabricated vote totals. For example, a batch containing 59 actual ballot images for Joe Biden and 42 for Donald Trump was reported as a hundred for Biden and zero for Trump. The seven batches of ballot images with 554 votes for Joe Biden, 140 votes for Donald Trump and 11 votes for Joe Jorgensen had tally sheets in the audit falsified to show 850 votes for Biden, zero votes for Trump, and zero votes for Jorgensen.”

              Now, regardless of who made that highly specific accusation, wouldn’t any non-partisan news organisation want to investigate this and either prove or disprove it? Yet not a single MSM outlet has come out and said, “we interviewed that person and asked to see this evidence but were unable to see it so we can’t confirm that it’s true.”

              Only those who don’t want to find the truth refuse to go looking for it.

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                Ian

                “Only those who don’t want to find the truth refuse to go looking for it.”

                I’m one of those and get roundly criticised for doing so.

                “Here’s just another rumour I suppose Tilba?

                From my search for the truth it looks as if your supposition is correct. It m,ay well be another rumour

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                clarence.t

                Poor Ian, still trying to hide himself from the truth.

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      TedM

      But then, none of your comments are even remotely believable”.

      Neither are any of the points made in Peter’s comment above this one correct.

      Situation normal.

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      Peter C

      One thing that won’t be able to be explained away is the Delta between the certified results and the actual paper ballots (ignoring for a moment that a lot of the paper ballots do not pass the tests for authenticity).

      The Delta means the discrepancy and can be explained by paper ballots being fed through the machines more than once to create extra votes as required to get Biden across the line. That is why the audits recounted the ballots one more time using machine counting. They needed two counts that matched.

      Steve Bannon says that should be out next week

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      Kalm Keith

      Congratulations Peter.

      Tirrty tree.

      Not a record but good nevertheless.

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      Simon

      A partisan audit found zero evidence of fraud or vote tampering. Case closed.

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        clarence.t

        Because they didn’t look or count the votes.

        Massive Irregularities are perfectly ok when the Democrats win by a small margin.

        Its that simple, Simon.

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      Chris

      The furfy that the Cyber Ninjas were not experienced has been well and truly put to bed. As they were not registered with Maricopa County then theoretically they could not work for the county. However others thought they were ideal for the very reason that they had no connections to the county , therefore no bias.

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    Kalm Keith

    This audit is good news, there’s hope for the future.

    That’s the good news,but as the first comments suggest, getting any benefit from the audit may not be so easy.

    France and Britain, long under the thumb are taking to the streets to make their point.

    And we are faced with a massive swamp.

    https://joannenova.com.au/2021/07/thursday-open-thread-59/#comment-2443542

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      Yonason

      Leftist talking point evolution over time…

      …the voting machines weren’t connected to the internet.
      …they were connected, but it didn’t affect the totals
      …the totals were affected, but it didn’t change the outcome
      …it did change the outcome, but there’s nothing we can do about now
      …and besides, it’s none of your business

      Additionally, repeat same, only start with…

      …there were no fraudulent votes
      …there were, but they were too few to change the election results
      …etc

      It’s the same defense they’ve used in many stolen local elections, and which the stupid party (Republican) has let them get away with so often that they are now so brazen as to apply it to a national presidential election.

      Trump won. Republicans are, in general, cowards. Democrats are crooks.

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        Yonniestone.

        This is the mindset that has always divided people regardless of backgrounds, the only thing that divides the outcome is the percentages of them in your last line.

        BTW are we related?

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          Scissor

          Maybe on yo momma’s side perhaps?

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            Yonniestone.

            I just found out my parents picked my name out of the Thesaurus so no go on that idea.

            As a kid I was a fan of Mel Brooks and Henny Youngman though…….

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        PeterS

        Yes it’s been a slow but sure process by which the left have taken over throughout the West. At some point though enough is enough and the people rise up. The point at which they rise up depends on their pain thresholds. The longer it takes the more likely a civil war becomes the only way to break the nexus.

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          David Maddison

          Will the people rise up? Fifty or more years of the Marxist dumbing down of the “education” system has ensured that many younger people don’t even value democracy, free speech or freedom in general.

          Looking at the prophetic work Nineteen Eighty Four, the 85% of the population who were Proles were uneducated and didn’t even need to be under 24/7 surveillance like the Party Members because Proles would not revolt as long as they were kept fed and entertained. Notice how major sporting events still occur during Covid restrictions?

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            PeterS

            People always rise up eventually. People have pain thresholds beyond which they react, and if necessary with force if all else fails. Only time will tell how far it goes this time around. My suspicion is the evil ones have learned a lot from history and are much better at fooling the people all the time so far. That means things are going to become more draconian than ever before. We are not at the peak yet. Hitler would be wetting himself if he saw what was happening today.

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            Ronin

            Yes David, been going on since Roman times, bread and circuses.

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          OriginalSteve

          The push back has started. Conservatives are now standing for local govt and council and school PTA elections to get conservative voices back where they can arrest the swamps growth and push back.

          We all need to do this and make sure our voices are heard. I’m still amazed at the absolute cr*p I hear my high school age relatives go on about climate change and the alphabet mafias agenda….

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        Kalm Keith

        🙂 🙂

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      Ian

      This is off topic Yesterday you wrote:

      “The number of people with diabetes is extraordinary; a radio broadcast the other day mentioned over 110,000 people had it but not sure if that was a national figure or just New South Wales.”

      According to Diabetes Australia around 1.2 million Australians have been diagnosed with diabetes and it is thought, with about another 500,000 not diagnosed. The majority have type 2 diabetes with around 130,000 having type 1 diabetes which is an autoimmune disease seen mainly in the young.

      Perhaps the “over 110,000” you heard related to total type I diabetes or the total number with diabetes in NSW

      https://www.diabetesaustralia.com.au/about-diabetes/

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    Lloyd

    There is little doubt the 2020 election was tainted and that the Biden presidency is illegitimate. And things can only get worse. The Democrats are doing everything they can other than demonstrating good governance to entrench themselves politically. Illegal migration, a corps of Antifa thugs to terrorise the populace, rampant barefaced crime, the winding back of civil liberties in the name of pandemic protection, the corrupt behaviour of the media and Big Tech.

    Then there’s Harris, who I have zero doubt will try to engineer a 25th Amendment removal of Biden. While such a move would have its own sort of poetic justice, I don’t think this disgusting unserious person would make a good President. Nor do I think she’d be well received.

    I hope America can find its way out of this mess but it looks frankly hopeless. There’s a “last days of the Roman Empire” vibe going on right now. I fear we are witnessing the disuniting of America.

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      Custer Van Cleef

      Harris will be well received by the Dem Party donors, they’ve thought it through.
      Her primary quality is she’s malleable — very willing to please her party’s mandarins.
      It doesn’t matter what her own ideas are (she’s not too sure herself) … she’ll do their bidding, that’s why they engineered her into place alongside Biden, in spite of her unpopularity.

      As seen in the Primary race, she got a big “thumbs down” from her own party’s voters — but they’re the little people, they don’t matter — Bloomberg and his ilk get to choose.

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      Serp

      Lord knows who’s running the show but Joe Biden has already stated his intention to go for a second term and who can doubt that as cunning a snake as he has turned out to be will not achieve that goal. And let’s not forget that, at heart, he’s a thug: https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/politics/violent-leftist–biden-i-would-have-beat-the-hell-out-of-trump-in-high-school/75956515/ –little wonder Hunter is such a scallywag.

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    PeterS

    Biden admits it’s not longer about who gets to vote but who gets to count the votes. Sound familiar? I suspect it’s all starting to fall apart fro him and if the are revelations of more fake results, either he has to conceded to Trump or all hell will break loose. Even if he does concede, which I doubt he would, all hell will break loose as the Democrats and their followers spit the dummy. It all depends on how many results are found to be fraudulent.
    Biden RUSH to Pennsylvania to stop audit: It’s not about who gets to vote, it’s who COUNTS the vote

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    red edwards

    For the new metallic woman – some metallic music:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fstnVzw7Vbw

    Africa by Toto – on Telsa coils!

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    Tilba Tilba

    I’ve never heard of “American Greatness” before, but it seems ‘remarkable’ they can publish all these ‘findings’ before anyone else can. Pinch of salt required?

    I’ve been reading the generally sceptical Arizona Republic for many months on this issue, and they have normally been pretty straight, and quite critical too, both of the audit itself, and the way it has been handled in a really partisan and amateurish manner. If there were credible preliminary findings, they would discuss them.

    The Beagle Boys (Florida) Inc (aka “Cyber Ninjas” if you can believe it, with a pro-Trump election-fraud-tout CEO, and no auditing experience) are months overdue, and now want another recount, plus plus. Seems to me they’ve found nothing substantial they can prove, so they keep going.

    Arizona Republic link: https://www.azcentral.com/politics/

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      clarence.t

      You really don’t want an actual audit of those fake AZ votes out there, do you !

      Bad luck, too late !

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    George McFly......I'm your density

    I hope the fertiliser hits the ventilator.

    PS please get well soon Jo and hope you are not in too much discomfort.

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    David Maddison

    America has at most two chances to sort out this mess.

    There are the mid-terms and the 2024 Presidential Election.

    If those elections cannot be done in an honest and transparent manner, it will be time for thinking Americans to instigate the principles of the Declaration of Independence and remove the fraudulently elected government and replace it with a Constitutional one.

    All of the principles and natural rights of the Declaration of Independence have now been violated by the Biden at al regime so it can’t be argued it’s not time to remove it. Hopefully peacefully.

    General Trump and Lt General DeSantis could be the ones to save America and lead the Second American Revolution to remove the corrupt and illegal Harris/Biden/Obama/Pelosi/Clinton/UN regime. This scenario is exactly why America has the Second Amendment.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government…..

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      PeterS

      That’s a lot like what many of us thought should have happened at the last election but it didn’t. Trump didn’t cross the Rubicon. The difference next time is the fact the evidence is piling up showing that Biden did in fact won fraudulently, which under normal circumstances would require the SCOTUS to step in but as we all now know they hate Trump with such a vengeance they won’t allow it. It then might have to come down to what you say and Trump and his supporters will have to stage a soft counter-coup but I can’t see that happening either because Biden and cohorts will call in the military and use the Constitution to stop it with force. Then it’s up to the Republican supporters to use their Constitutional rights to instigate a hard coup, which means a civil war. The only other alternative is for Trump to be patient and win the next main election, which he should be able to do so with ease provided the Democrats don’t stage an even bigger fraudulent election, which if they did I’m pretty sure the people would see it and then they have a civil war. A lot can still happen so better stock up our popcorn.

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        clarence.t

        Ironic… Biden using the Constitution, when he is doing everything he can to dismiss it !

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          PeterS

          Yes, their Constitution can and is used in apparently contradictory ways. It comes down to how one interprets it in context with the prevailing events. Often the SCOTUS is used to settle the issue but I don’t think it can happen this time around.

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      PeterS

      Perhaps the best solution is for the union to break apart and end up with two nations. Yet more popcorn.

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        David Maddison

        I don’t see a break up of the union as the solution. That just means the divisive, sexist and racist policies of the Left have succeeded. The Union must remain together with fair and equal justice for all and where people can be judged on the content of their character, not their skin colour or gender as the Left want. In any case, if the Union did break up, the Leftist states would soon initiate war against the Constitutional states.

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          PeterS

          States can secede in spite of the US Constitution. It’s actually a very simple process. However, several practicalities are in the way so you might be right and it won’t happen. Also, whether enough will do so and form a new nation is unknown at this stage. I don’t discount the possibility of a break-up. If a civil war erupts it could happen much more easily in any case.

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          PeterS

          If I had to “place a bet” I would say that Trump will take the more diplomatic approach and win the next general elections. Then he will have the impossible task of draining the swamp, which for all intents and purposes is too large since it an ocean. No one human person can do that. The end result will still be a crash and burn- just postponed.

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          Harves

          the Leftist states would soon initiate war against the Constitutional states.

          But how? Surely they’d have got rid of all their weapons?

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          Hanrahan

          So, hypothetically, could any split be the old north and south with Cali being part of the woke north?

          As it was the first time, the north would be the economic power house with the south having oil instead of cotton. And as Harves said above, the south would have the guns.

          The free world needs a UNITED States, warts ‘n all.

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            PeterS

            Haven’t you noticed yet? The US no longer needs the free world. It’s going to become anything but free.

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        Tel

        If they could peacefully separate that would be the best … but politics rarely results in sensible outcomes.

        They would need to split into more than two nations, because the coastal areas on both sides (including about half of California) are hard Left, while the strip down the middle of the country tends to be Christian Conservative, and then Texas is borderline but probably would join with the middle, and Florida would have to divide in half somehow.

        If this thing escalates, you aren’t gonna have a whole lot of time to sit back and eat popcorn. If 2020 proved one thing, it’s that this is a small world and things happen real fast, without many places to hide.

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          yarpos

          Nations dont need to be contiguous. East and West Malaysia, UK inc Northern Ireland, Indon and the existing US with Alaska and those islands out there.

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            Richard Owen No.3

            Even Australia has some islands e.g. Norfolk, Lord Howe, Kangaroo, and some in the cold, cold southern ocean like Heard, Macquarrie and Tasmania.

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          tom

          They are fleeing the blue states and piling into Florida. About a month ago the local radio station had news that
          their Florida county for 1st time in decades had more registered republicans than dems. Set aside the noise, and pay
          close attention to what the states are doing. This will tell you what is coming down the tracks.

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          Binny Pegler

          Two separate nations ideologically apposed, focused mainly on each other.
          Now WHO would be the biggest beneficiary of that out come.
          The level of control/manipulation the CCP seems to have over the western media is a major elephant in the room.

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      John R Smith

      Trump WAS the chance to sort the mess.
      As Michael Malice said, “Trump was the dam, not the river”.
      The Democrats will not win in 2022 in the same way they did not win 2020.

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    David Maddison

    Incidentally, Ted Cruz was born in Canada, not the US. He is likely however a “natural born citizen” and arguably is still eligible to be US President. But courts gave been reluctant to rule on issues of citizenship and the US Presidency.

    The issue is discussed here:

    https://www.politifact.com/article/2015/mar/26/ted-cruz-born-canada-eligible-run-president-update/

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    Clyde Spencer

    And yet, the MSM states that any claims of fraud are lies and there is no ‘trouble in River City.’ If their crystal balls are so clear, why haven’t they become wealthy playing the stock market? In order to have confidence that fraud is practically non-existent, there have to be non-partisan investigations from legal bodies that have the power of subpoena. That hasn’t happened, but the know-nothing professional wordsmiths are perfectly comfortable in claiming that they have special insights on truth.

    This from Microsoft ‘News:’

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/arizona-election-officials-have-only-found-182-cases-of-potential-fraud-out-of-over-3-million-votes/ar-AAMeZnQ?ocid=winp1taskbar

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      PeterS

      Goes to show we can’t trust any of the MSM. They won’t openly discuss the fraudulent elections and the issues surrounding the vaccinations. Anyone who still thinks they can get the real news from the MSM (including the Bolt’s and Alan Jones of the world – they used to be really good but now they have become more and more like turncoats) are just fooling themselves.

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        OriginalSteve

        Ive stopped reading the MSM. It is now carefully crafted propaganda designed to make people despondent and give up.

        The MSM is just a professional Leftist agitprop outlet.

        When you read widely outside of Australia you start to get a broader view that the MSM cant spin.

        If you really want the ducks guts on stuff with a no prisoners approach, the Trunews.com is a hard hitting Christian news service thats appears to be very thoroughly researched and have panel discussions on topics. I think they also have an apple tv and iphone app.

        A lot of stuff they predict years out has happened – and you will never hear much of what they talk about in the MSM as its verbotten.

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          PeterS

          Agree on all accounts. For example, I’ve stopped watching Bolt a long time ago. They are mostly appeasers following orders from above. Ratings suffer when they get too close to the truth. What does that tell you? People in general don’t give a damn, are too gullible and/or don’t want to know the truth as the truth takes them away from their comfort zone. Manufactured bliss is beautiful, until it eats you alive.

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          PeterS

          Also, lot has been said about how the MSM, politicians and the educators have indoctrinated the people. There is another very powerful element; Hollywood. Their movies in general make for great entertainment because they are a form of escapism from the real world, which the evil ones don’t want us to notice. It’s a great tool for them to re-educate people and bend them towards a false sense of security and peace.

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            yarpos

            Not happy with a lot of things Pete

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              PeterS

              Are you? Are you happy to see things falling apart and the left gradually taking over our lives? Are you intending to take it all on the chin smiling and laughing?

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    Dave in the States

    The numbers tell the tale. Not only the audits, but the data logs. I recall from previous posts that probabilities were astronomical that Biden really won. We had numbers like 19 standard deviations, and times 10 to 81st power.

    If this is not evidence, then turn loose all the criminals who have been convicted on DNA evidence, and lock back up all those who have been vindicated on DNA.

    The truth is that the evidence of fraud is irrefutable. Had it been a Democrat or a RINO who got cheated instead of Trump, it would have been a slam dunk and the fraudulent election overturned. But the operation to get rid of Trump was too big to fail. The hatred of the deplorables is too great to not allow their votes, and their voices, to be cancelled.

    For the Swamp, Trump and his movement represent an existential threat.

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      PeterS

      Don’t forget the swamp includes the SCOTUS and is now being extended into the military. I really see only two viable options given the ever growing size and depth if the swamp. One, Trump patiently works towards winning the next election by a landslide in spite of any attempts to repeat the fraud. Two, enough is enough and civil war break out. Perhaps both will happen in due course separated by a short period, not necessarily in that order.

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        David Maddison

        Mark Milley, the Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, and hardly deserving of the title “General” is extremely woke and puts LGBTIxyz and Critical Race Theory ahead of war fighting capability and national defence. He is also an avowed Trump Hater. Milley is definitely part of the Deep Swamp.

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          Lance

          Thoroughly Modern Milley (sarc) is a legend in his own mind.
          He couldn’t pour pizz out of a boot with instructions on the heel.

          Contrast a coward like him with a real General, like Patton or Le May.
          Milley isn’t fit to clean the boots of a Private.

          He’s an embarrassment. A fool. A deranged, self absorbed, narcissistic, anti American, traitor.

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          Custer Van Cleef

          And let’s not forget Admiral Gilday, equally unimpressive, competing with Milley for the Congressional Medal of Wokeness.

          I saw a great meme of Milley last week — there he was, hair died pink, a rainbow design replacing his chest medals — a perfect illustration of his new priorities. Defending America comes second of course, maybe not even that, who knows where his head is at?

          Because he thinks the deplorables are [email protected], he’s probably more of an existential threat than a military asset.

          Pssst, Milley and Gilday: the real enemies are overseas.

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            Custer Van Cleef

            On second thoughts, there are real, domestic enemies too … the crooked politicians, bent law enforcement officials, MSM, Big Tech, Big Pharma, assorted academics … the list goes on … but they’re not expected to be the targets of military action.

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          PeterS

          Some are now saying he is the ring leader of the soft coup against Trump. No doubt more evidence will be forthcoming to expose these traitors.

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        WokeBuster

        If there is a next election. Trump did not want to declare Martial Law but Biden and his handlers will almost certainly use any means to hold onto power and therefore avoid the consequences.

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          PeterS

          Yes the irony is many of us thought Trump would cross the Rubicon and instigate his Constitutional rights to bring in the military and and put in place martial law. In hindsight perhaps he did the right thing and walked away from the fraudulent elections to prepare for the next major move. The real irony is Biden is more likely to bring in martial law, and the left would love him to do so for the obvious reason it will help them achieve what they always dreamed about; introduce a totalitarian socialist regime with no further elections.

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            OriginalSteve

            Unless they break the lies in two by completing the audit and ban every single democrat from touching any part of an election ever again, another election is just more fraud.

            The AZ election audit needs to lead to criminally prosecuting the guilty as well.

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              PeterS

              The swamp is too big and powerful to have these these issues resolved peacefully and amicably. It’s gone way beyond that point. Next step is either for Trump to take back what was stolen from him at the next general election, or civil war. That’s assuming the American public haven’t mostly turned into zombies by then.

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              Hanrahan

              It should be put out that any non citizen found to have voted will be deported [It is a felony after all]. That might make some think twice.

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            yarpos

            Having seen some of the parties involved in the martial law option, I think that was only an academic option for Trump. They leave a lot to be desired and dont seem to have US interests as a priority.

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      TedM

      “The hatred of the deplorables ” which is the hatred of the majority. (the hatred of in this case meaning being hated by the swamp dwellers).

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      Maptram

      I recall from graphs shown in the live broadcasts of the count, that something was amiss. In three key states, votes were going about 55% to Trump and 45% to Biden and Trump was leading by about 20000 votes in each state, then in the early hours of the morning, for a very short period votes went 100% to Biden.
      When Biden was in front votes went back to something like normal, with Biden leading.

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        Dave in the States

        When Biden was in front votes went back to something like normal, with Biden leading.

        In one county in Northern Virginia there was a big vote dump for Biden in the wee hours, followed by about 21 hours of 50 votes for Biden and 17 for Trump. Hour after hour. Then another big vote dump for Biden followed by the same 50 votes for Biden, 17 for Trump, pattern. The something like normal was nothing more than a preset algorithm.

        They even had to cheat in Virginia.

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    David Maddison

    If there is to be a Second American Revolution here’s a look at the numbers involved in what should be now called the First American Revolution. Apparently it was more than the commonly cited 3% of the population.

    https://observer.com/2017/07/soldiers-militia-american-revolution/

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      Ronin

      Won’t it be a civil war rather than a revolutionary war, it is internal.

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      Binny Pegler

      The 3% would
      A: Have to feel the need for a pension and B: Be well enough educated to apply for it.
      I suspect mainly ‘professional’ soldiers of the regular army.

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    Harves

    Remember how Trump was to blame for every coronavirus death on his watch? So, nearly 200,000 Americans have died of Coronavirus on Biden’s watch … and all of these deaths have occurred since the vaccine was available!!!
    Where’s the media outrage?

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    DMA

    A reasoned response to the Arizona Senate hearing:
    https://patrickbyrne.locals.com/upost/856962/video-more-arizona-audit-bombs-the-domino-that-fell-massive-industrial-scale-fraud-mass-coo
    Claimed irrefutable evidence that foreign countries hacked and changed the election:
    https://uncoverdc.com/2021/06/05/lindell-v-dominion-smartmatic-exhibit-12-forensics/
    The early math analyses of Doug Frank and John Droz are proving accurate.

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    RossP

    I hope Trump’s office in Florida are working hard on looking at the swamp organisations and identifying all the rats, so when a new administration comes in (whether it is Trump himself or a strong supporter) they can hit the ground running a start the clearance on day one.

    I have just finished reading a book called “These Thruths” by Jill Lepore. It covers the major political periods in US history. The main take away is that nothing is new, it has all happened before but in slightly different ways due changes in technology. It is a long read but well worth the effort for those interested in US political history.

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    David Maddison

    Note to resident Leftists: How do you think the extensive censorship “your” platforms practice, especially when it is against science, reason, truth and freedom, which it inevitably is, improves the human condition?

    Very likely, if “journalists” of the mainstream media hadn’t censored or ridiculed discussion of possible election fraud, and suppressed information about the Hunter Biden laptop, and had actually done their job, there would be a legally elected President in the White House now, not a demented fool who is obviously the puppet of people even more evil than himself.

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    David Maddison

    If President Trump is re-elected he must not make the same mistakes as last time.

    1) Despite having a “tough guy” demeanour, he was really too soft and trusting with some of his appointees like Bill Barr. He should have sacked him as soon as he refused to do anything about the Biden laptop. Of course, there were many others

    2) He knew about the Swamp but didn’t appreciate, nor did any of us, just how deep it went. Now he knows.

    3) Next time, he must be absolutely ruthless about draining the Swamp and he must get rid of all leadership who do not adhere to the principles and letters of the US Constitution and The Republic as a whole.

    4) Is it now too late to start a new party? Probably. He’ll have to focus on cleaning up the GOP and ridding it of RINOs.

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      Peter C

      He’ll have to focus on cleaning up the GOP and ridding it of RINOs.

      Which is what he is doing right now.

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      Hanrahan

      If there is a “next time” with Trump he will be wiser and he will have more power within the party. The first thing his MAGA team could/should do would be to dump McCarthy and Turtle, they have both frustrated the Trump agenda. The less said of Pence the better. Et tu, Brute?

      Will the next hat be MAGAA?

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        David Maddison

        Will the next hat be MAGAA?

        It could be, but it’s now about saving America from certain destruction by the Left. Making America Great Again, Again can come later.

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      Serge Wright

      As much as I am a fan of Trump,I think that the GOP will need 8 years with a single strong leader to defeat the Marxist threat, if that is still possible and Trump will be too old to manage even his last 4 years in 2024. Trump also has poor political skills and this allowed the MSM to successfully attack him with his own words. DeSantis might be a better bet being younger and more connected to the age group of the younger woke generation and therefore more likely to influence. He is also a skilled politician and is more capable of deflecting the media onslaught that will follow. If you can imagine a GOP victory in 2024, you can also bet on an impeachment being put up by the senate the week after inauguration, along with the same BS conspiracy crap of Russian collusion. Any future GOP president will then face a constant media hate campaign, social media ban, tax investigation, unvetted social media personal attacks and so on… I think Trump must be part of the 2024 GOP plan, but he would be better off focusing on creating a new free speech media platform that can be used by his party and supporters to drive the conservative cause.

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        Peter C

        Trump also has poor political skills and this allowed the MSM to successfully attack him with his own words.

        Actually I think that Trump has very good political skills. The MSM attack hiM with distortions of his own words but voters get him anyway. That is why he won bigly, but his victory was stolen and his voters were dis-Enfranchised.

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          Rob Jones

          I think Donald Trump should have tackled the Tech Giants head on from very early 2017 when it was clear that they were coming for him x10. Trump also needed to stop the de-platforming of so many of his supporters with big social media channels. Instead he kept saying he was monitoring the situation and ultimately he never did anything, and it cost him.
          I can no longer remember the details, but some expert commentators seemed to think that there was a lot that Trump could have done in the Courts prior to the election, and with executive orders to stop all the vote tampering and yet he did’t seem interested, and it cost him.
          It seems to me that he probably won in a landslide but the Democrat machine did what JFK did to Nixon in the 1960s.

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      yarpos

      He needs to have a succession plan in depth as well to ensure any good work done is not trashed by a limp wristed successor or worse another Bidenesque win. Trump/DeSantis looks good for 12 years.

      Sounds better than our options on either side

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    Serge Wright

    Now that the means of the cheating has been exposed – by misuse of the open mail-in process that was put in place for COVID, it makes perfect sense that the Democrats are working hard to make sure this means of cheating is permanently baked into the system. Many people are now left wondering if this is the end of democracy in the USA and rightly so. When you include the media manipulation, misinformation and propaganda campaigns, military takeover, and hard censorship, combined with the institutionalised voter fraud, it’s hard to see how a free and fair election can occur going forward. Now six months into the new term, the strategy appears to be reasonably clear, which is to end the filibuster, push out the GND to kill the capitalist economy and then stack the high court to make sure the end of democracy is seemingly all but locked-in. The high court takeover is perhaps the most important piece in the plan because this provides immunity from prosecution and control of the law to cement power and punish all opponents.

    So what comes next, if this takeover completes ?. Well, we already have the answer, which is all part of Agenda 21 and this is 2021. The end goal has always been about a global central government and we can expect a new Sanders/Harris – Xi Jinping totalitarian regime to form a new global communist alliance with Europe. The bad news for the rest of the world is that all statehoods would be cancelled and we would all be placed under the control of the big global totalitarian regime. Basically we would all be stuffed. Any country that tried to resist would be punished by 100% trade sanctions and military actions. All personal wealth and assets would be removed and redistributed and we would all end up living in small crammed social housing apartments in impoverished conditions and fed on BS propaganda 24/7.

    What we need to understand here is that the media and big tech censorship and cancelling of everything that is not part of the Marxist playbook is the sign and the election fraud is the proof of this pending takeover. We can already see the new global regime participants using climate change as a means to control global economic policy by imposing sanctions on countries that resist their call to de-industrialise and submit. Down here in Australia we are now being squeezed not just by China, but now by the USA and Europe for not towing the Marxist climate line. Perhaps the only ambiguity here lies with China’s relationship with Agenda 21 and the pending new global Marxist order. My guess is that China will end up controlling the new global order which is a very scary thought.

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      David Maddison

      Very well said, Serge.

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      Dennis

      And as discussed and concern expressed about last night on Sky News – Hardgrave that Labor States in Australia are up to no good using COVID-19 as cover, WA arguably top of the list of cooperating with globalism and China, VIC second after WA.

      Many reasons and examples were discussed of what those leftist union puppet Premiers and their colleagues are doing.

      But in my view how to combat this is difficult to envisage, these cunning people are using every sales and marketing trick their spin doctors can offer to improve their image to secure the support of the people and including substantial expenditure on secret polling of communities to enable their advisors to tailor government activities to fool the people.

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      PeterS

      No, the real ambiguity is how Americans are still sitting on their fat asses letting all this go on for so long without much protest. If they behaved the same way as when Japan bombed Pearl Harbour, they would all be speaking Japanese by now. Sorry, but these are the hard facts and reality bites. How much more evidence do they need a lot of high places have been invaded by communist loving traitors?

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    Analitik

    Truly an Orwellian presentation by The Whitehouse Press Secretary (Jen Psnarki) where she promotes banning people across all social media outlets if they post “misinformation” that is counter to the narrative to protect the majority who are “not discriminatory” in their assessment

    about 12:30 in
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_WfFKlm_oY

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    Tel

    Cucker Tarlson is great at saying the right thing around about the time when he thinks it doesn’t matter and won’t achieve anything. The purpose is to convince as many people as possible that he MIGHT be there to help them when the really need it … thus they put their hopes in him, in order to ultimately let them down one more time.

    Take note that the Liberal Party of Australia is the one that has done the most to take away our freedoms:
    * Taking away the right of self defense.
    * Telling lies to get us into foreign wars.
    * LRET price manipulation in the energy market.
    * Mandatory Data Retention Bill 2015.
    * ScoMo creating the “National Cabinet” as a cloak to allow health officials to take over the government.

    https://www.monicaperezshow.com/contrary-law-of-democracy-to-coin-a-phrase/

    In short, you are likely to get the opposite of what you were voting for in a democracy that ultimately thrives on silencing constituents not representing them.

    The highlighted phrase there also applies to media, which are part of the political process … Tarlson and many others like him see it as their responsibility to distract the attention of genuine freedom lovers, not for the purpose of representing their views, but for the purpose of leading them to a dead end.

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      Peter C

      Take note that the Liberal Party of Australia is the one that has done the most to take away our freedoms:

      Thank You Tell.
      Your whole comment is spot on but I have selected this part, because it shows the betrayal of the Liberal Values succinctly.

      My job as a Liberal Party member is to try to get them back to their(our) values. That means getting rid of the LINO’s.

      I hope you are wrong about Tucker Carlson.

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      Serge Wright

      In defense of Tucker, it’s not the job of the media to make things happen. Their job is to report the facts, which is exactly what Tucker is doing. Reporting on facts such as the Wuhan lab theory or Hunter Biden’s laptop is an alert to the authorities and the public. Tucker rightly expects that someone within the appropriate government entity will investigate or take action. If this fails because of systemic corruption then he hopes the voting public will use their vote to fix the problem by changing the government or by protesting in public. The current situation in the USA is unique because big tech and big media are all aligned with the now far left extreme Marxist Democrats and use their positions not to report on the news but to filter and censor the truth as Tucker is relentlessly demonstrating. In reality Tucker has no means to bring about change other than report on the facts, which he does brilliantly well, as opposed to the rest of the MSM which promote fake news and propaganda to aid their masters in government.

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    Brenda Spence

    Glad it all went well Jo, wishing you a speedy uneventful recovery.

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    I think everybody , even the Dem rank and file, knows Biden isnt functional. Saying Biden is just easier than saying The Ruling Democrat Junta.

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    Jojodogfacedboy

    Funny, what no one here has brought up…
    The mail in voting is illegal.
    The Democrats brought this in at the last minute in their swing States without proper authorization on the excuse of this Pandemic.
    But, it still was illegal.

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    Peter C

    Rupert Murdoch himself gave the “Go Ahead” to call the Arizona result early on election night, when Trump was ahead.
    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/07/rupert-murdoch-donald-trump-arizona-2020

    I have only just become aware of this. It has been reported in the left wing American press.

    Rupert controls a lot of the world press. Here in Australia he controls a lot of our newspapers, including the HeraldSun, the Australian and the Financial Review. Exactly what his motivations were or are is a mystery.

    Can we believe anything in his newspapers anymore?

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    MP

    Club of Rome(CoR) advisers to the United Nations.(May peace be upon them)
    https://www.clubofrome.org/about-us/

    The Australian chapter.https://www.clubofrome.org/associations/australian-chapter-of-the-club-of-rome/
    The high chief, Dr Keith Suter, I wake up with Sunrise. https://www.globaldirections.com.au/

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    Philip

    I dunno, Im still worried about those Russians

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    Sniper Fire

    AP and Maricopa County officials call this what it is, nothing but BS! Cyber Ninjas messed up again. You really can’t blame them because this is THE FIRST TIME they have EVER done an audit. “The firm’s CEO Doug Logan used the baseless claim to urge legislators to subpoena more records and canvass voters at home, grasping for evidence of fraud even as a hand count of a statistical sample of ballots and two post-election audits showed no proof of wrongdoing in Maricopa County’s election.

    The false claim has reverberated online in the day since Logan’s comments, parroted by lawmakers and Republican commentators including Arizona Republican Party Chair Kelli Ward, Colorado Rep. Lauren Boebert and former President Donald Trump.

    Yet Maricopa County officials and election experts confirm that the claim isn’t true and represents a misunderstanding of how early voting works in Arizona.”

    FACT FOCUS: A false narrative of 74K extra votes in Arizona
    https://apnews.com/article/government-and-politics-arizona-ap-fact-check-election-2020-campaign-2016-f0c36df59ee1069d65aa6a70a22d88cc

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      wokebuster

      We know how early voting works. It means if you are the recipient of Zuckerbucks you are guarenteed to end up with more votes than the non receiving other dude. It’s that simple.

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    Sniper Fire

    Arizona GOP Official Slams Cyber Ninjas’ ‘Simply Not Accurate’ Election Numbers
    On Thursday, Sellers slammed the “incompetence” of the Cyber Ninjas auditors. “What we heard today represents an alternate reality that has veered out of control since the November general election. Senate leadership should be ashamed they broadcast the half-baked theories of the ‘Deep Rig’ crowd to the world today,” the Republican official said.
    https://www.newsweek.com/gop-arizona-official-slams-cyber-ninjas-simply-not-accurate-election-numbers-1610633

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    Slithers

    There is no fun in getting old!
    I wish you well and health and happiness with your new implant.
    Regards
    Slithers!

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