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245 comments to Tuesday Open Thread

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    Melissa

    Looking forward to the Arizona Ninja audit results, those bamboo ballots will be Biden’s undoing.

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      Mark Allinson

      Watch for a massive “event” to distract attention.

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        Yarpos

        Squirrels launching in 5, 4, 3, …..

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          Mick

          “Squirrel!!”… haha! (yayy! Sammy the squirrel!)

          You’re spot on Yarpos, and Mark. Look out for false flags!

          Well said, Melissa too.
          The media corporations and the banking cabal, the deep state.. are panicking about the election audits!

          WWG1WGA.

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      Ian

      It should turn out all right for you Melissa as the auditors were picked by Republicans

      “To lead the audit, GOP Senate President Karen Fann hired Cyber Ninjas, an obscure Florida cybersecurity firm with no election or auditing experience before the 2020 election. The firm’s leader, Doug Logan, is a Trump supporter who has aggressively promoted false narratives of election fraud.”

      As is apparent no possible biases in the Ninjas

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        Richard Jenkins

        Ian ,
        It makes no difference who does the audit.
        Auditors cannot change paper, change ink, delete watermarks, remove folds, revive the dead, shift residences.
        If the Democrats try to discredit the audit they should explain the evidence as the audit can only find actual facts.
        Trump helped the Russia, Russia, Russia investigation because nothing had been done. Trump had nothing to hide!
        Democrats have been desperate to avoid audit and expect people to believe recounting fraudulent ballots alters their credit.
        They are caught and 17 other states have been impressed with the detail and methods.
        Maybe the above evidence does not exist. I suspect Democrats know they are caught.
        This is not innocent untill proved guilty. The result is conclusive and Trump should be reinstated while trials are conducted!

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        Mick

        Ian, can you show us where the democrat party has been investigating election fraud, as a way of justifying Biden’s win?

        If the democrat party (DNC) is innocent of any manipulation of the election, don’tcha think they’d be encouraging election audits rather than trying to shut them down?

        I’m not aware of the democrat party instigating any election audits of their own.
        Are you?

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        clarence.t

        Wow, you really are worried, aren’t you, Ian !!

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    el gordo

    A two pronged attack by this woke rag, the government clearly doesn’t believe in global warming.

    ‘Australia’s 40-year economic outlook is forecasting dwindling demand for some of the nation’s most valuable exports including coal and natural gas after China, Japan and South Korea unveiled targets to achieve net-zero emissions.

    ‘But prominent think tank the Grattan Institute on Monday said it “beggars belief” that the Morrison government’s modelling failed to make projections about the scale of loss of export earnings or the impacts from global warming such as drought and natural disasters.’ (SMH)

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      Maptram

      ‘But prominent think tank the Grattan Institute on Monday said it “beggars belief” that the Morrison government’s modelling failed to make projections about the scale of loss of export earnings or the impacts from global warming such as drought and natural disasters.’ (SMH)

      The Grattan Institute seems to be having a bit each way here. We keep hearing that CO2 resulting from human activities is responsible for global warming and global warming causes disasters such as heat waves, droughts, floods and bushfires. On the other hand natural disasters are just that, natural disasters.
      Or perhaps organisations such as the Grattan Institute are expanding what global warming causes to include natural disasters such as earthquakes.

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        Yarpos

        Beggars belief that a prominent think tank is so unaware of real world markets vs green fantasy rainbow world.

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        Tel

        Did anyone bother to model projections of the losses caused by prison lockdowns across the nation? How about projections of long term future losses caused by government debt?

        What about the money printing? We would expect the very concerned Grattan Institute to be very concerned about the consequences of dangerously experimental monetary policy.

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      Mal

      There is NO catastrophic man made climate change
      These think tanks have never got it right

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        Mark Allinson

        These think tanks are not there to “get it right” – they are there to push the Globalist/Marxoid line.

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      Raven

      . . Grattan Institute on Monday said it “beggars belief” that the Morrison government’s modelling failed . .

      ScoMo probably used a different model which said Australia could disappear beneath the waves tomorrow and it wouldn’t even show up on a CO2 emissions graph at Mauna Loa.

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        el gordo

        The government is rational, knowing that China regularly builds new coal fired power plants and is the biggest emitter.

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      As I keep explaining – There is no such thing as CO2 induced global warming.

      The CO2 Greenhouse Effect is a fiction. If it were true then there would not be any snow on the mountain tops when it is snow-free at sea-level. The mountains have the same soil and rock underfoot receiving the same Sun’s radiation under the same sky above containing the same CO2 concentration. There is snow on the ranges because there is a gravity induced temperature-pressure gradient causing low temperature at high altitude and the highest temperature at the lowest point, about sea level, where the pressure is greatest. This long established fact has been deliberately ignored by climate scientists and others intent on misleading the public and gaining political dominance of the free-world.

      A simple test of the Greenhouse Effect is to walk out into the open on a sunny morning. You will feel warmed by the Sun. Touch objects around you and they too will feel warm from the Sun. Walk into a shaded area with the open sky above and you will only feel the ambient air temperature, no ‘Greenhouse’ warmth coming down from the sky. Touch objects in the shade and they will be as cold or colder than the ambient temperature having not been warmed by the Sun or the fictitious ‘Greenhouse Effect’.

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      Ronin

      5 minutes ago, gas was going to be the ‘transition’ fuel, what happened.

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      RexAlan

      I agree the West has lost the plot as China will simply fill the gap and gain political brownie points at our expense.

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      PeterS

      Not only lost the plot in Africa but in their own respective countries. Unless things are turned around soon the West is going to implode due to it’s own incompetence and stupidity.

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    tonyb

    The current outbreak seems to be getting worse with a good percentage of the population locked down

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9732935/Covid-Australia-need-know-Scott-Morrisons-emergency-cabinet-meeting.html

    The quarantine hotels seem to have been a failure. Why put them in big cities? Surely they would be better far away from anywhere?

    Britain currently has 20000 cases a day with 3 deaths today.

    Either the vaccinations are being VERY effective or this Indian variant, although very infectious, is not very deadly.

    Lets hope the numbers quickly drop in oz.

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      Yarpos

      I guess mainly because large hotels with proximity to international airports tend to be in big cities. These are normal hotels pressed into service as Q hotels. Australia long ago had Q facilities but didnt maintain them. Some of them where treated as quaint oddities from they past “oh look, there is the old quarantine station. The wheel has turned and dedicated facilities are now planned to be built adjacent to some larger cities.

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        Hanrahan

        oh look, there is the old quarantine station.

        Most ports would have had one. We did. I think Parks and Wild Life have it now.

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          Yarpos

          Usually on some nice real estate. I think Sydney had one near North Head and Melbourne had one at Point Nepean.

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        Hasbeen

        The hotels only still exist because the governments chose to throw them a bone with quarantine. Without it they would all be broke by now. It is a disastrous support for the big end of town that is endangering all of us.

        I wonder how much money changed hands, or is to be delivered later, to pay for that bone.

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      John R Smith

      “3 deaths today”
      Tragic.
      Shut it down, til no one dies (of CV anyway).
      If it were 1940, could just go straight to surrender.

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      Harves

      A Tasmanian professor has pointed out that more than a million people are in lockdown because the Qld Govt insisted that someone from regional Victoria (where there were no cases of Covid) quarantine in a hotel for 14 days. The miner caught covid while in the hotel, flew to the NT and the rest is history for the people of Darwin and Perth.

      “She said the recent example of a mine worker who travelled from Bendigo to Brisbane on June 17, and was directed to quarantine in a hotel because of Queensland’s COVID border restrictions for Victoria showed how a so-called hard border could have unintended consequences.

      Professor Bennett said the miner had come from an area of Victoria which was “exceptionally low risk and hadn’t had an exposure site for some weeks”, but according to Queensland’s rules, the man had to go into hotel quarantine, where he caught the virus.

      It was not until after he travelled to the Northern Territory that he was diagnosed.

      “Now we’ve got cases in the Territory and potentially across Australia as a result of that,” Professor Bennett said.

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        Ronin

        That’s what you call an own goal, idiots.

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          OriginalSteve

          Ah Houston, it appears we have a problem….

          https://greatgameindia.com/bbc-journalists-mysterious-short-illness-vaccine/

          “2 Young BBC Journalists Dead From Mysterious “Short Illness” After AstraZeneca CoviShield Vaccine
          June 14, 2021

          “Two young BBC journalists have died from what media calls a mysterious “short illness” after taking the COVID-19 AstraZeneca vaccine branded as Covishield in India. There are no details provided about the illness with any mention of vaccine scrubbed from the reports.

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            Yarpos

            No link at all I guess to the BA pilots

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            PeterS

            99.2% of all COVID deaths in the US are among the unvaccinated, AP analysis shows. Of course they refuse to tell us what percentage of the 99.2% actually died from something else other than the virus. That figure sounds awfully like the often quoted figure for scientists who agree with the CAGW story, which of course we all know is fake (the figure as well as the story).

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            Craig Thomas

            Lol! “greatgameindia”? Seriously?

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        Graeme#4

        I think you will find that Perth sourced its original infection from Bondi Junction, not NT.

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      OriginalSteve

      3 deaths from Covid?

      This is a comparison between flu and covid deaths in the UK

      https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12797238/flu-killed-10-times-more-brits-coronavirus-14-week/

      “The Office for National Statistics said that 14 per cent of deaths registered in the week ending September 18 mentioned flu and pneumonia.

      “By comparison, deaths where Covid-19 accounted for 1.5 per cent of all fatalities – a total of 139.

      “However, it’s important to note the ONS data shows the number of deaths where these conditions are mentioned on the death certificate, not when they are the underlying cause of death.

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        PeterS

        It would be nice if there were more checks and accountability surrounding the reported deaths everywhere. One check so far below has uncovered interesting news:
        Lisbon Court Rules Only 0.9% Of ‘Verified Cases’ Died Of COVID, Numbering 152, Not 17,000 As Claimed

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          OldOzzie

          Why most people who now die with Covid in England have had a vaccination

          A MailOnline headline on 13 June read: “Study shows 29% of the 42 people who have died after catching the new strain had BOTH vaccinations.” In Public Health England’s technical briefing on 25 June, that figure had risen to 43% (50 of 117), with the majority (60%) having received at least one dose.

          It could sound worrying that the majority of people dying in England with the now-dominant Delta (B.1.617.2) variant have been vaccinated. Does this mean the vaccines are ineffective? Far from it, it’s what we would expect from an effective but imperfect vaccine, a risk profile that varies hugely by age and the way the vaccines have been rolled out.

          Consider the hypothetical world where absolutely everyone had received a less than perfect vaccine. Although the death rate would be low, everyone who died would have been fully vaccinated.

          The vaccines are not perfect. PHE estimates two-dose effectiveness against hospital admission with the Delta infections at around 94%. We can perhaps assume there is at least 95% protection against Covid-19 death, which means the lethal risk is reduced to less than a twentieth of its usual value.

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            OriginalSteve

            It appears vaccinated people may be dangerous.

            Who knows what they are shedding.

            One theory was that they vaccinate a few, who then “poison the nest” as if we are considered ants….

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      OldOzzie

      America’s Frontline Doctors, that brave group of physicians who have resisted the enforced party line on COVID, has published a video from Britain that takes 3 minutes to show that the appearance and rapid spread of the delta variant in England has led to a decline in hospitalizations and deaths. It is well worth watching as it methodically graphs the data on Covid there, proving that the scaremongering is deceptive propaganda.

      Here is the video:

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      “Either the vaccinations are being VERY effective or this Indian variant, although very infectious, is not very deadly.”
      Or the delay between infection and death means that the small increase in death rate now is a result of and related to the increase in infections some time ago. The 20,000 cases will relate to the death rate some time in the future.
      What is the new variant average delay time between being counted as a case and death?

      3 deaths today.

      Twenty three so far today. With a lot of day left to go. What is the rate of increase and will that rate be sustained until January?
      https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

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    el gordo

    Dr John Abbot explains how corals are a window into the past, paleo climate history.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/06/28/what-corals-can-tell-us-about-climate-change/

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      Peter C

      Good to see Greenpeace advertising on the WUWT site.
      I doubt that the WUWT audience takes much notice of them, but some money must go to Anthony watts.

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      Klem

      Corals are windows into paleoclimate? Wow what waste of effort.

      Everyone knows the climate only began changing with the arrival of the industrial revolution, around 1750.

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    joseph

    What 3 words are you in at the moment?

    https://what3words.com/pretty.needed.chill?

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    OriginalSteve

    I want to know what happens to all those spike proteins from the vaccines excreted from humans, that wind up back in our water supply….will this be a second bite of the cherry?

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      Ronin

      Good point Steve.

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      PeterS

      Don’t you mean second bite of the apple? 🙂

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      John R Smith

      I was wondering if Fauci (hallowed be his name) and all the the other hallowed, are beginning to fund research into what to do if unforeseen health threats arise from mass vaxxing.
      I mean, since they were so diligent in heading off a world wide pandemic.
      Oh wait, that wouldn’t be necessary since the vax Science (hallowed be it’s name) is settled.

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        PeterS

        From some recent posts in previous threads, it appears it was settled well before the pandemic started over a year ago. I smell a very large rat, bigger than the CAGW one.

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          Ted1

          I recall that vaccine producers were indemnified by government. I don’t recall which or how many.

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            Chris

            Vaccine producers were indemnified by governments in 1995 regardless of the consequences they may produce.
            Bill Gates has explained this very clearly why investing in VACCINES is far more profitable than investing in tech.
            “Put $10 million in get $200 million back”.

            The proviso is that it is ONLY VACCINES that have this indemnity. —- Its amazing what you can call a vaccine. !!!

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        John R Smith

        Forgot … ‘
        if they told us that they were considering unforeseen vax issues, that would increase ‘vax hesitancy’.
        It’s for our own good.
        We should think of them as parents.

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          Raven


          Some call it ‘vax hesitancy’.
          I just call it survival instinct.

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            OriginalSteve

            “hesitancy” implies it will eventually happen.

            No.

            No.

            Hellllllll no…

            They can hold thier breath on that one

            The N W O weenies are as thick as bricks…….doo dah doo dah….

            🙂

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        OriginalSteve

        A know problem?

        But look at who also appears to have known about it…

        https://www.dailywire.com/news/leaked-hillary-clinton-warned-about-wuhan-biological-weapons-in-2009-report-says

        “During the COVID-19 pandemic, former Secretary of State and presidential candidate Hillary Clinton waxed eloquent about suspicions by former President Trump that the Wuhan Institute of Virology had precipitated the pandemic, calling such claims racist.

        “But in 2009, Clinton allegedly warned in a State Department cable that was obtained by WikiLeaks that the work done at the Wuhan Institute of Virology could lead to “biological weapons proliferation concern,” Jack Posobiec of Human Events reports.

        “”The cable, obtained via Wikileaks, was sent from the State Department in June 2009 to all embassies in member nations ahead of the Australia Group plenary session in Paris, September 21-25, 2009,” Posobiec noted, adding, “The Australia Group is an international export control forum organized to prevent the spread of technologies and research that could be used in chemical and biological weapons.”

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    skeptocynic

    Australia, like Biden’s USA, is an ignorant gullible nation bent on self-destruction

    Singapore has chosen to live with COVID-19 like the flu, without quarantine, texts or daily statistics.

    The goal is not to completely rule out infection, patients will not need to self-isolate, and they will not announce the daily number of infections, or any other relevant statistics. However, you will have to take the test to go to the store or go to work.

    “The bad news is that COVID-19 may never go away. The good news is that it is possible to live with it naturally. This means that the virus will mutate and thus survive in our society.”

    “Many people get the flu every year. The vast majority recover without hospitalization and with little or no medication. However, a minority, especially the elderly and those with comorbidities, can get seriously ill and some die. We can’t eliminate it,” but we are able to turn the epidemic into something less threatening, like influenza or chickenpox, and continuing to live”

    Like many countries, Singapore saw its peak in infections last year, with 600 cases per day in mid-April

    This nation of 5.7 million people, slightly larger than the population of Sydney, has seen a steady decline in the number of cases – to 20-30 a day. In total, 35 people died here. Singapore has dealt with COVID-19 by introducing strict border controls on arrival from most countries

    https://tinyurl.com/nx23rahw

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      PeterS

      As far as I know there are no ICU cases here in Australia and we know there have been no deaths from the virus this year. So what’s the real reason we are being told we must be vaccinated? Is it to prepare us for when the re-open overseas travel? If that’s the case then I rather we keep the borders closed forever with very few exceptions where quarantines are sued.

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      Serp

      Not surprising that Singapore, long a leader in successful innovation, is the first state to come to this conclusion.

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      OriginalSteve

      If you turn off the media, the “pandemic” disappears. Funny that….

      Last night I was watching free to air. It was like a constant blatant and subliminal vaccination push, ad after ad and thats not counting the “news” services.

      So you would have ads by “Trust me, I’m a doctor” types, paid for by the govt.

      Then you would have quiz shows that were constntly working vaccination into the discussion, for crying out loud. They are desperate.

      I suspect the most recent “outbreal” is due to vaccination figures being so low.

      Apparently in the US, vaccinations have almost slowed a lot, as people have worken up to what the vaccines are.

      https://www.globalresearch.ca/10570-dead-405259-injuries-european-database-adverse-drug-reactions-covid-19-vaccines/5745450

      “Here is what EudraVigilance states about their database:

      “This website was launched by the European Medicines Agency in 2012 to provide public access to reports of suspected side effects (also known as suspected adverse drug reactions). These reports are submitted electronically to EudraVigilance by national medicines regulatory authorities and by pharmaceutical companies that hold marketing authorisations (licences) for the medicines.

      ………………

      “The EudraVigilance database reports that through June 19, 2021 there are 15,472 deaths and 1,509,266 injuries reported following injections of four experimental COVID-19 shots:

      “COVID-19 MRNA VACCINE MODERNA (CX-024414)
      “COVID-19 MRNA VACCINE PFIZER-BIONTECH
      “COVID-19 VACCINE ASTRAZENECA (CHADOX1 NCOV-19)
      “COVID-19 VACCINE JANSSEN (AD26.COV2.S)

      “From the total of injuries recorded, half of them (753,657) are serious injuries.

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    Flok

    I haven’t seen this before, it explains a lot what is going on with socialism and leaning towards communism.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh3Kb2cgZgc&list=PLgsNpOxTETv5hxkl1mL_I-wEMeaBQsi3n

    well worth watching part 1, 2, 3 and 4.

    ALP sold us out and Liberals bought into it.

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    PeterS

    There is so much hype around the C19 story it’s becoming easier to tell who is is telling the truth and who is not given the facts we do know. We are being pressured more and more by governments and the MSM to get vaccinated but they won’t tell us why given no one has died this year of the virus. People have died from car accidents yet we are still allowed to drive cars. Go figure.

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    el gordo

    ‘An Australian mining company says it is “shocked” after a former partner with links to major Chinese state-owned firms swept in to take over a suite of iron ore projects in Africa.

    ‘The deal between formerly ASX-listed AustSino and the government of Cameroon over the weekend appears to have cemented China’s control over up to 100 million tonnes of iron ore through a port and rail deal, The Australian reported.’ (News.Com)

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      Yarpos

      All sounds a bit cheesy, unnamed company, former parntner, “shocked”, swept in, take over.

      So somebody in the biz has been appointed to run some mines. Yeah shocked I am, you would think they would have got someone from govt or retail.

      Its Africa. Good luck turning ore in the ground to reliable shipments.

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    Thanks to el gordo here. There are so many things to keep track of, so some things I don’t get back to often, so extra eyes help out.

    el gordo mentioned on the weekend Unthreaded that the Baihetan Hydro complex has started operations in Southwestern China on the upper reaches of the Yangtze River.

    This mammoth project has taken just four years to begin coming on line from initial construction.

    It uses 1000MW generators. These were a further development from the initial 700MW generators used at Three Gorges. The big global power equipment manufacturers started Three Gorges 700MW generators and in a technology sharing arrangement with the Chinese, the Chinese then took over after that first generator. And the Chinese then further developed the generator technology to the point where they now have this 1000MW generator.

    There will be 16 of them in two Turbine Halls constructed inside the mountain on either side of the Dam, so two underground turbine halls.

    This one project of a Nameplate of 16,000MW will have a Nameplate 4.3 Times that of the whole Snowy Hydro here in Australia, and a little more than double that of ALL the hydro power in Australia.

    This plant will deliver 62TWH of power each year, and for perspective, that’s 30% of the whole power consumption for Australia.

    This is at a Capacity Factor of around 46%, and that’s about the average for hydro in general.

    There are the usual grumbles (from the usual sources) about how hydro takes away water from downstream, but hey, China has many many hydro plants on this same River, and its tributaries, and with hydro it’s water in, water out, so the same water goes down the same River.

    This is a huge technological feat achieved in four years, adding that while China leads the World in coal fired power technology, the same can now be said for hydro power technology as well.

    The hydro plant will be fully operational part way through next year 2022.

    Oh, by the way, it’s umm, renewable, eh!

    Tony.

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      Greg in NZ

      Over here, our one (1) remaining coal-fired power plant, Huntly, is now supplying 1/4 of the country’s electricity, and has been all year, not with NZ coal (exported) but with Indonesian coal (imported) because GreenPeople want to *save the planet*.

      In other news: frigid snow blizzard blankets the South Island, closing roads & passes, schools & ferry sailings, with snow falling on the hills around Wellington – hello Cinders, look out your window! – and closing the North Island’s Desert Road, amongst others.

      If it gets any ‘warmer’ we’ll be buried under a new ice age glacier, again.

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        el gordo

        In a couple of days the South Island will be basking under a complex high, bringing warm northerlies for a week.

        https://www.weatherzone.com.au/synoptic.jsp?d=2

        Weather extremes are par for the course under a global cooling regime, the blocking mechanism is responsible.

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        el gordo

        Judith Curry on extreme weather in a new post at Climate Etc.

        ‘However, in my opinion there has been an over-emphasis on manmade climate change as the cause of increasing extreme weather events. Natural climate variability remains the largest driver of variations in extreme weather events, with at most incremental changes associated with manmade global warming. Greater attention is needed to understanding the full range of climate variability that contributes to extreme weather events.’

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          Serp

          Yeah beaut but I see no imperative for “understanding the full range of climate variability that contributes to extreme weather events” that being the sort of academic claptrap that helped us get to the contemporary predicament arising from having all but criminalized carbon dioxide generation and enjoying the insoluble resultant conundrum of how to generate the reliable electricity of a bygone era.

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            el gordo

            ‘ … being the sort of academic claptrap …’

            Yep, Judith remains in the lukewarm camp and for obvious reasons I’m banned at Climate Etc. Nevertheless, its a giant leap to even suggest we might be looking in the wrong direction.

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            Kalm Keith

            Serp, I take exception to the phrase;

            “the sort of academic claptrap …’”.

            Any real science academic knows that human origin CO2 doesn’t cause so-called CAGW.

            Any real academic would know that to be a rubbish claim and so your statement should correctly read as;

            “the sort of pseudo political academic claptrap …’

            That’s much more accurate.

            That said, I’m very greatful for the efforts of Lord Christopher, Judith and the psychologist Willis E who all know that there is something wrong but can’t quite put their finger on it.

            The answer, the refutation of CAGW, is there and available in the physics, astronomy, atmospherics and thermodynamics that’s known but Suppressed by the threat of job loss and vilification.

            KK

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              skeptocynic

              Without risking “job loss and vilification” would you have time and the inclination to post some links to “the refutation of CAGW” which “is there and available in the physics, astronomy, atmospherics and thermodynamics that’s known but suppressed”

              If you were able to readily put your finger on it, it could come in very handy for some of us.

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                Kalm Keith

                Well, my own understanding is the result of many years of study at university and out in the wide world.

                There are no links, but my great Grandmother, MaryF, had a good grasp of the quantitative approach to knocking the role of human origin CO2 into obscurity.

                Alongside of that, the basic physics of the atmosphere provides another avenue to explore.

                The lapse rate, aka temperature drop in the atmosphere with altitude, is there to ponder and the equation P.V=nR.T also applies up to the critical temperature for CO2 at about 243°K.

                The consistency of the lapse rate shows that between altitudes of 30m and 11,000m CO2 behaves like a normal gas in the atmosphere.

                Above 11,000m CO2 may begin to lose em energy which always moves down the temperature gradient.

                In this case it doesn’t head back to Earth, drawn by the temperature of about 1.6K° above absolute zero it heads outward to deep space.

                This isn’t rocket science, it’s basic thermodynamics.

                Anecdotally I have been to the restaurant at the top of the Eiger, Monch, Jungfrau mountain complex and at 14,000 ft above sea level it’s bloody cold.

                And when the Sun goes down there’s no warming glow from the CO2 high up; it just gets cool.

                KK

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                Kalm Keith

                This is one of her later comments.

                https://joannenova.com.au/2011/08/blockbuster-planetary-temperature-controls-co2-levels-not-humans/#comment-416601

                The basic point is that IF human origin CO2 is to show itself via the heat trapping thing, it is seriously overshadowed by water and naturally occurring CO2 which function in the same bandwidth. In fact the so called heat trapping effect doesn’t function as claimed; see comment above.

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                Kalm Keith

                A review of the original post;

                https://joannenova.com.au/2019/10/weekend-unthreaded-282/#comment-2207393

                Kalm Keith
                October 20, 2019 at 5:15 am
                The Climate Debate is deliberately focused on irrelevant vague concepts which makes leading the masses so much easier.

                A broad overview of the major factors is always useful in determining the relevance of climate action and “emergencies.

                From MFJ;

                MaryFJohnston
                October 24, 2011 at 9:10 am
                Every “Climate Scientists” presentation I have seen tells lies by omission.

                For example we are told that “Carbon Dioxide will blah, blah, blah ….. and if CO2 doubles then … blah, blah, blah ”.

                They will Never separate out the Human effect of CO2 from the Total CO2 effect.

                They will never acknowledge the presence of water vapour in the air because as a Green House Gas it wipes the floor with CO2.

                So, as a last post, I felt it important to give examples of how the CO2 we produce really influences the climate and will use a very concrete example of a real measured period from our recent past.

                With apologies to Rudyard Kipling.

                IF

                Active Carbon Dioxide Distribution is:

                a. 98% of Earths ( active ) CO2 is dissolved in the oceans.
                b. 2% of Earths ( active ) CO2 is in the atmosphere.
                c. 97% of atmospheric CO2 is of Natural Origin.
                d. 3% of atmospheric CO2 is Human attributable.

                And

                e. Atmospheric H2O is about 95% of the total greenhouse effect.

                It would seem then that if we want to control CO2 levels we need to control three items:

                1. The oceans and 2. Water vapour 3. Natural CO2 emissions.

                Logically the Atmospheric CO2 and Ocean origin CO2 interaction needs serious study and Human CO2 emissions are rendered insignificant by the shear weight of the Water GHG effect.

                So the Total GHG effect is

                1. Water about 95%
                2. Total CO2 about 4% of GHG effect
                3. Human proportion of CO2 is 3% of the above 4% or 0.12 % of all CO2 effect.

                IF

                If world atmospheric temperature rose by 0.6 C degrees over the last 150 years from 1860 (maybe).

                And if Greenhouse gases are the only cause of this rise (very debateable).

                And if human origin CO2 is to be taken into account.

                THEN.

                Our part of the world’s green house gas effect is 0.0009 C degrees of the temperature rise of 0.6 C degrees. (calculated as a max).

                The rest is nature.

                Likewise we are responsible for 0.0045 mm of the annual 3mm ocean increase.

                Over 100 years we would cause 0.45 mm sea rise.

                Holy Crap Batman.

                We’ve been had by the IPCC, WWF and many politicians.

                The “revelation” above is simply confirmation of the real science.

                When you quantify the “Green House” ( if I can use that term) effects:

                • we have a major winner in Water

                • followed by Natural produced CO2

                • and way behind both in magnitude, Human Related CO2 struggling to make any visible impression on the system.

                So CCS and Carbon Abatement, Carbon Footprint, Responsible Energy and other catchphrases of the Church of AGW may now be consigned to the sin bin where they belong.

                This has been my last post as I feel that it is time to go back.

                Good luck.
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                http://joannenova.com.au/2011/10/unthreaded-oct-22-2011/#comment-622658
                _____________

                This diversion of human effort, thinking and politics has always been about domination and subjugation of the masses to give power and wealth skimming their rightful place in the world of the Elites.

                Remember MalEx444 and the poke in the eye to Australians with the Super Mal Submarines and Snowy Battery: ugly stuff that we allow ourselves to be treated so badly by our leaders: and they’re not held to account.

                KK

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      Ronin

      The generators put out a million kilowatts each, weigh 7000 tonnes and the whole thing is 5 times bigger output that Hoover Dam in the US

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      Yarpos

      The same water goes diwn the river with run of river hydro. If its dammed the the story changes depending on the owners operating practices.

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      Okay, this is a case of chasing up looking for information, and opening a number of links rather than just looking at one. So, when I heard of this Baihetan Dam something I have been following for a while now, I opened up around eight to ten links. Around half of them are the same article, in different outlets, but each of the other articles has different (to a degree) information.

      Okay, this one was informative. However, there at the very bottom of the article just above the informational image there is a small paragraph about Nyingchi that got my attention.

      What is now referred to exclusively as Nyingchi used to be called LinZhi, so there’s been a subtle name change from the original Tibetan to the Chinese name now used.

      Seven years ago, back in 2014, I was chasing up China Hydro, when I saw an interesting image in respect of China Hydro, from their 12th Five Year Plan (2012 – 2017) and a proposal for a monster hydro planned for Tibet. I saw it as ball parking really, but it was intriguing that they even mentioned it at all to the point where it was becoming a serious consideration.

      This was the humungous Motuo project, still only a proposal, but now something a little more definite. It’s an easy thing to say …..”Well, yeah, I actually thought of that at the time.” However, I can actually say that with confidence, because I wrote a series of three Posts on the subject, (shown at this link and dated from 2014) There was going to be a fourth (and maybe more) Post on the subject, but I ‘stalled out’ on actual information, and I thought I had already exceeded my quota for conjecture on the three Posts, and anything more would be (somewhat informed) guesswork only.

      However, I did find one thing, that airport in the wilderness at LinZhi, the subject of the long second Post in that Series. I found that airport when ‘surfing’ around that area with Google Earth, looking for something, anything, and not really finding anything.

      Now I don’t know how many of you have Google Earth, as it’s more of a thing from the nineties and noughties, and has gone out of fashion lately. I have the Pro version, so a little better than the Standard version, and I refer to it on occasion looking for things, and the one area I have looked at regularly over these last seven years is that area in Tibet around the Airport and along the River. (Yarlung Tsangpo)

      In the early days it was easy to locate as I just entered the search name of LinZhi Airport, and I would immediately be taken there. Now I can use that name, but it just takes me to Tibet in general, and the only way I can get detail is to enter Nyingchi Airport, and that takes me straight to the airport.

      Okay so, as much as Google may be vilified or whatever, their Earth program is a beauty really, except for the well, censorship.

      Over the intervening seven years I have watched as that area, the whole area, has evolved.
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      Now, if you have Google Earth, enter the airport, and when you ‘arrive’ there scroll out a little. Then go downstream (to the right top corner) until you see the Delta of the River approaching from the North. Travel up that River a little and the City of Nyingchi comes into view.

      Now, over these seven years, I have watched that City evolve from a small, and here I mean small township to the City it is today, and that’s a really modern city with a population of 200,000 people. Now that is one monster city, and look to the South with that huge area of hundreds of apartment building in that one area. This is one huge City, and growing almost exponentially, and that of itself raises questions, especially those huge living area apartment blocks, possible living quarters for a large work force, and not just occupants of a city that is virtually in the middle of a wilderness nowhere.

      I went looking for where that Motuo hydro scheme was proposed, even further downstream, (to the right again) and you can follow the River.

      Seven years ago, it was wilderness, and the image showed just that. A River and Mountains.

      Now, slowly, over the years more and more detail has appeared, not on the same scale as for the City, but little bits here and there.

      I can now make out (well, a lot better than originally, anyway) more things from close to the River itself, and also some more detail on the ‘relief’ of the Mountains themselves, and some better images of that Ravine I originally suspected where the Hydro might go.

      Now, my guess at the time, (hence not willing to proceed with what was basically guesswork) was a series of cascading , well, basically, turbine Halls along that downflowing ‘creek’, valley, ravine, whatever. From the one point at the upstream, across the Mountains to the same River, only much further downstream, and with a huge fall in height, so a natural ‘drop’ in height suitable for hydro.

      Okay, it’s all still guesswork, but somewhat informed I would like to think.

      There is nothing really between the Upstream point and the downstream point where the water might flow across the mountain, other than the most extreme wilderness.

      And now we find that an electric railway has finally opened up to that City of Nyingchi.

      Not only is there this proposed Motuo, but in that whole area are a lot of new Hydro plants on Rivers.

      China has plans here, and all we can do is guess really, because they won’t be telling us any time soon. How much information have you heard about Tibet in any News.

      Tony.

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        Lance

        Might it have less to do with power generation and more to do with controlling water supplies?

        Controlling water upstream makes those downstream very much more “pliable”.

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        Chad

        Tony, I only have Google maps, but in “satelite” mode it can be revealing !
        I found Nyingchi and the rivers, then above (upstream) , north west ?, i can see a series of apparently man made lakes,..with obvious dams etc…in the valley.
        One is named “ Pagsun Lake” and downstream is another at “Langsai”.
        At Pagsun, there also appears to be a group of 18 or so large long buildings …much like you might expect for workers dormitories ?
        Its hard to gauge the size of the dams , or the lakes, but hydro must be a strong reason to build them. Though they dont look to be on the scale of 3Gs.
        What do you think ?

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    Travis T. Jones

    If only they had a carbon (sic) tax for sea level rise …

    Gould’s mouse was declared extinct, but DNA shows it still lives on an island in Shark Bay, Western Australia

    “But how did these mice get there in the first place?
    Dr Roycroft said they likely made their way over there when the islands were still connected to the mainland thousands of years ago.
    Slowly as the sea levels rose, a little pocket of the population may have got trapped there, she said.”

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2021-06-29/extinct-goulds-mouse-alive-shark-bay-wa/100244862

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    PeterS

    I’ve stopped watching Sky News a long time ago but today I had a look to see how it’s going. All I see is wall-to-wall reporting on how the sky is falling due to the virus and dropping hints all over the place to get vaccinated ASAP. Now switched off from watching them for another few months or so.

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      OriginalSteve

      I find it good to maintain sanity to realise :

      (a) The virus is basically not much more than a bad flu ( see figures comapring flu with cov19 deaths )
      (b) Later variants are more infectious, but consequently less dangerous ( see above )
      (c) It appears to be just a driver to panic people into taking a “vaccine” ( see blatantant free to air saturation and hysterical coevrage over the “need” to be vaccinated )
      (d) If you turned off the media, the “pandemic” would disappear. ( try it….it works )
      (e) That the media appear to be all in on it ( plenty of proof, just turn on the tv )
      (f) That the globalists from the different countries appear to all be working together to develop gain of function capability and funding “irregularities” ( Fooci et al )
      (g) That supermarkets, chemists and some grog stores do home delivery! ( the marvels of the interwebs…)

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        PeterS

        (h) I personally don’t know of anyone who has become sick of let alone died from the virus, yet I know one who committed suicide a couple of days ago. If there is a pandemic then most are looking in the wrong direction.

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    Michael

    Hi all, new reader here and just wanted to say I’m enjoying the content thoroughly.

    It happens to be unusually warm where I live right now and of course the heat wave is being used as evidence of man-made climate change:

    https://news.slashdot.org/story/21/06/28/2027215/pacific-northwest-bakes-under-once-in-a-millennium-heat-dome

    I’m sure stories like this to this do not phase anyone around here… but after having become aware of the scam myself it’s frightening how often you see the narrative being reinforced in media outlets.

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      Chris

      Welcome Michael, you learn to tune out to the media if you want to keep your hair and your sanity.

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        John R Smith

        Damn, I knew it.
        CAGW causes hair loss.
        If only I had listened to NPR.
        Or … stopped listening to NPR.
        I’m confused again.
        (John Kerry … hair transplants?)

        Michael, you must keep us posted on your journey.

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        Michael

        Thanks for the welcome Chris and John! I am in complete agreement, what happened to days of objective reporting…

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      Chad

      Michael, you may have missed a post from last week from a fellow contributor…
      …but very relavent..
      Studies of Tree rings have identified a pattern of “Megadroughts” on the US West coast.
      https://www.kqed.org/science/1962273/me … ntists-say
      .
      …..The last time the West experienced sustained arid conditions over decades was a 28-year dry spell that ended in the year 1603, researchers say.
      “We now have a full, uninterrupted record of soil moisture across western North America that extends from 800 A.D. all the way up to the near present,” said Park Williams, a bioclimatologist at Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory at Columbia University, who led the study. “That allows us to compare for the first time this drought event to the big megadroughts. And the development of this prolonged drought that began in 2000 looks indistinguishable from those big megadroughts.”

      The study looked at California, eight other states and Northern Mexico.
      A Worst-Case Scenarios for Water Managers
      Scientists have long known that the West suffered in the distant past under anomalous dry periods that lasted for decades.
      The region returning to what researchers call a megadrought or a “paleo-drought” is considered to be a worst-case scenario for water managers.
      Researchers say the region experienced megadroughts in the 9th, 12th, 13th and16th centuries, disrupting Native American cultures. For example, dry conditions are believed to have driven the Anasazi from their pueblo settlements in Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado and Utah.”….

      Suggesting there is a 400yr cycle of these natural events
      …And its about 400 yrs since the last one !

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        Michael

        Thanks Chad, I did indeed miss that post, very informative. If there’s one thing for sure it seems the climate has ALWAYS been changing.

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    Travis T. Jones

    Masked and fully vaccinated fossil-fuelled flyer fails to save the planet …

    U.S. envoy Kerry says world needs a ‘wartime mentality’ over climate

    “In order to achieve the climate commitments, the world needed to deploy the world’s largest solar field everyday for the next 10 years.

    “Are we doing that? We’re not even there,” Kerry said.

    https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/us-envoy-kerry-says-world-needs-wartime-mentality-over-climate-2021-06-28/

    Prepare for one in one hundred year floods every and any day now …

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    beowulf

    Faced with the threat of Chinese Communist Party hackers infiltrating and wrecking its grid even more, Texan legislators have just scotched a giant wind farm project being pushed by a Chinese billionaire.

    The vulnerability of on-board networked control systems for wind turbines – known as Supervisory Control and Data Acquisition (SCADA) – is glaringly obvious to those with an interest in exploiting that vulnerability.

    One tiny step in the right direction. Now if only Australian authorities would do likewise.

    https://stopthesethings.com/2021/06/24/hacked-off-giant-texan-wind-farm-project-axed-due-to-ccp-spying-grid-hacking-threat/

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    Ian

    Many commenters here believe the SARS-CoV-2 virus came from the laboratory at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

    The link below suggests it might not have done

    https://www.afr.com/world/asia/the-last-and-only-foreign-scientist-in-the-wuhan-lab-speaks-out-20210628-p584t0

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      Serp

      I guess the odd fanatic who posts here believes stuff but my impression is that by and large the cerebration of commenters is driven by scepticism.

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        Ian

        ” by and large the cerebration of commenters is driven by scepticism.”

        Really? More by Conservatism than anything else. For example why did nearly everyone here believe Trump’s claim he won the election? No scepticism there even though there was and never has been any incontrovertible proof of that claim and nor has there ever been any incontrovertible proof that the election was fraudulent as most here believe.

        Scepticism? I don’t think so

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          el gordo

          The election wasn’t fraudulent, we agree on that. The AFR article is behind a paywall, could you give me a couple of pars and I’ll do a critique?

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            Ian

            Yeah apologies for that el gordo I had hoped it would be accessible. Perhaps this one will be accessible. It’s the original

            https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-06-27/did-covid-come-from-a-lab-scientist-at-wuhan-institute-speaks-out

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            Ian

            This seems to be oK but it maybe because I subscribe to the AFR.

            Danielle Anderson is an Australian virologist who was a working at WIV in November in 2019. She has a really good CV and the article is very interesting. If you can’t access if I’ll pick out out the most salient points

            Here’s the beginning.
            Danielle Anderson was working in what has become the world’s most notorious laboratory just weeks before the first known cases of Covid-19 emerged in central China. Yet, the Australian virologist still wonders what she missed.

            An expert in bat-borne viruses, Anderson is the only foreign scientist to have undertaken research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology’s BSL-4 lab, the first in mainland China equipped to handle the planet’s deadliest pathogens. Her most recent stint ended in November 2019, giving Anderson an insider’s perspective on a place that’s become a flashpoint in the search for what caused the worst pandemic in a century.

            The emergence of the coronavirus in the same city where institute scientists, clad head-to-toe in protective gear, study that exact family of viruses has stoked speculation that it might have leaked from the lab, possibly via an infected staffer or a contaminated object. China’s lack of transparency since the earliest days of the outbreak fueled those suspicions, which have been seized on by the U.S. That’s turned the quest to uncover the origins of the virus, critical for preventing future pandemics, into a geopolitical minefield.

            The work of the lab and the director of its emerging infectious diseases section—Shi Zhengli, a long-time colleague of Anderson’s dubbed ‘Batwoman’ for her work hunting viruses in caves—is now shrouded in controversy. The U.S. has questioned the lab’s safety and alleged its scientists were engaged in contentious gain of function research that manipulated viruses in a manner that could have made them more dangerous.

            It’s a stark contrast to the place Anderson described in an interview with Bloomberg News, the first in which she’s shared details about working at the lab. Half-truths and distorted information have obscured an accurate accounting of the lab’s functions and activities, which were more routine than how they’ve been portrayed in the media, she said.

            “It’s not that it was boring, but it was a regular lab that worked in the same way as any other high-containment lab,” Anderson said. “What people are saying is just not how it is.”

            Now at Melbourne’s Peter Doherty Institute for Infection and Immunity, Anderson began collaborating with Wuhan researchers in 2016, when she was scientific director of the biosafety lab at Singapore’s Duke-NUS Medical School. Her research—which focuses on why lethal viruses like Ebola and Nipah cause no disease in the bats in which they perpetually circulate—complemented studies underway at the Chinese institute, which offered funding to encourage international collaboration.

            Anderson’s career has taken her all over the world. After obtaining an undergraduate degree from Deakin University in Geelong, Australia, she worked as a lab technician at the Dana-Farber Cancer Institute in Boston, then returned to Australia to complete a PhD under the supervision of eminent virologists John Mackenzie and Linfa Wang. She did post-doctoral work in Montreal, before moving to Singapore and working again with Wang, who described Anderson as “very committed and dedicated,” and similar in personality to Shi.

            Anderson was on the ground in Wuhan when experts believe the virus, now known as SARS-CoV-2, was beginning to spread. Daily visits for a period in late 2019 put her in close proximity to many others working at the 65-year-old research center. She was part of a group that gathered each morning at the Chinese Academy of Sciences to catch a bus that shuttled them to the institute about 20 miles away.

            As the sole foreigner, Anderson stood out, and she said the other researchers there looked out for her.

            “We went to dinners together, lunches, we saw each other outside of the lab,” she said.

            From her first visit before it formally opened in 2018, Anderson was impressed with the institute’s maximum biocontainment lab. The concrete, bunker-style building has the highest biosafety designation, and requires air, water and waste to be filtered and sterilized before it leaves the facility. There were strict protocols and requirements aimed at containing the pathogens being studied, Anderson said, and researchers underwent 45 hours of training to be certified to work independently in the lab.

            The induction process required scientists to demonstrate their knowledge of containment procedures and their competency in wearing air-pressured suits. “It’s very, very extensive,” Anderson said.

            Entering and exiting the facility was a carefully choreographed endeavor, she said. Departures were made especially intricate by a requirement to take both a chemical shower and a personal shower—the timings of which were precisely planned.

            Special Disinfectants
            These rules are mandatory across BSL-4 labs, though Anderson noted differences compared with similar facilities in Europe, Singapore and Australia in which she’s worked. The Wuhan lab uses a bespoke method to make and monitor its disinfectants daily, a system Anderson was inspired to introduce in her own lab. She was connected via a headset to colleagues in the lab’s command center to enable constant communication and safety vigilance—steps designed to ensure nothing went awry.

            However, the Trump administration’s focus in 2020 on the idea the virus escaped from the Wuhan facility suggested that something went seriously wrong at the institute, the only one to specialize in virology, viral pathology and virus technology of the some 20 biological and biomedical research institutes of the Chinese Academy of Sciences.

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              Ronin

              If the wuflu lab was that well organised and pristine and the virus could not have possibly escaped, then it points to a deliberate release, does it not ??

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              el gordo

              Ian, in your estimation where did Covid 19 pandemic originate?

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                Ian

                I’m not sufficiently au fait with the transmission of coronaviruses to make an informed decision. I thought Danielle Anderson’s comments were far more informed than any others I have read as she clearly knows a lot about virology and how viruses can be transmitted. She is of the opinion that it wasn’t from the WIV but agrees there needs to be a full investigation.

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          Geoff Sherrington

          Ian,
          With the time zone difference to help, I followed the US election online as it went through their night. I saw the halts in counting, I saw the “official” counts being reported, then some being changed, I saw the big jumps in counts for Biden, I calculated every half hour or so what a reasonable forecast might be in several key States and by 6 am next day, USA time, I was saying to my dear wife that the whole thing had been rigged. Independent of President Trump saying likewise.
          This is not truth, but mere personal interpretation od circumstantial evidence. But, it was so blatantly obvious that I am sticking to my story. And I have worked with numbers most days of my life. Geoff S

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          skeptocynic

          @Ian:

          why did nearly everyone here believe Trump’s claim he won the election? No scepticism there even though there was and never has been any incontrovertible proof of that claim

          You say scepticism like it’s a bad thing, instead of a virtue.

          The word “skepticism” comes from the ancient Greek skepsis, meaning “inquiry.” Skepticism is, therefore, not a cynical rejection of new ideas, as the popular stereotype goes, but rather an attitude of both open mind and critical sense.
          https://skepticalinquirer.org/what-is-skepticism/

          Scepticism is doubt that something is true, and no proof is required for doubt or scepticism.
          Scepticism leads to questioning and inquiry which may or may not lead to proof, (which is a an elastic concept).

          Anybody who claims to have no doubt about the legitimacy of the 2020 election, (i.e. anybody NOT sceptical about it), is either lying, deliberately blinded by partisan loyalty, or just hasn’t been paying attention.

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      Dave

      Ian,

      Do you mean Dr. Danielle Anderson?

      Isn’t she the Face Book Fact Checker for WhuFlu?

      And worked for CSIRO with the Wuhan Institute too – is this true?

      The smell around seems very fishy!

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        clarence.t

        More than a bit like asking the fox if he/she ate the chickens !

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        Lucky

        Dave. Exactly. That was a very long article on Anderson but did not tell us what is relevant-
        Was she aware of the loose security at the lab?

        Recall, Trump was aware, that is why he canceled the funding.
        The cancellation was canceled by Fauci who said he did not know the reason – but he did know, there is audio evidence of him mentioning it. Trump knew, and Fauci knew about slack security at the Wuhan lab, but Anderson denies.

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    OldOzzie

    Building’s timber shortage set to worsen

    Robert Gottliebsen

    The severe shortage of timber that is plaguing the Australian building industry is not a one-off event. It is going to get a lot worse unless we change governments and policies.

    And it’s no surprise that China has nicely moved in to make sure that our housing industry’s suffering, caused by our past and current timber mistakes, is multiplied.

    Longer term, Victoria’s anti-timber policies may cause NSW and South Australia to block their hardwood timber from going into Victoria to relieve Victorian-created shortages, which will test the constitution.

    Back in 1990 — yes, 30 years ago — the farsighted politicians of the day saw a housing timber problem looming in 2020. They resolved to make the necessary timber investments so this would not happen. But those wise politicians left the scene and their replacements were motivated by winning short-term votes.

    It’s true we invested a great deal of money in timber as a result of the 1990 plan but a large amount of the timber we planted was designed for hardwood chips to sell to China, plus almond trees.

    Because Australia did not implement a proper 30-year growing plan we simply cannot provide enough timber for our normal building industry construction rate, let alone the current boom.

    Like other industries the doctrine of “she’ll be right mate” was applied so we planned to import our timber needs just as we import everything else. We built our imports up to about 25 per cent of our timber frame needs. But with many countries now stimulating building, the world is short of timber and in the US the prices have risen three to fourfold and as a result America is sucking timber from around the world. Containers are in short supply. Given the Biden spending, the situation is not likely to change in the foreseeable future so we have to accept that the current lower level of timber imports will continue indefinitely.

    Timber is generally preferred to steel for building frames.

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      Sambar

      The Victorian premier publicly declared on television “No longer will Victoria native forests be harvested to make cardboard” as he announced the closure of the timber industry in 2030. A great emotive statement but of course completely incorrect and without regard to the very high quality timber produced from Victorias’ high county, mountain ash, alpine ash, messmate, gum etc. The outcry over ledbetters possum, which actually thrives on the interface between unlogged and logged areas is somewhat irrational. Claims that logging will drive it back into extinction( from whence it emerged 30 or 40 years ago) are contradicted by evidence that suggests logging will help it survive. After the black Saturday fires in 2009 only 3 or 4 animals could be located on Lake Mountain, since then they seem to appear any where a logging coup is proposed. Wow. Our local council supports this phase out of the local timber industry and suggests farm foresty is the way to go. Well for what its worth, the management of Victorias hardwood forests over the last 130 years is farm forestry at its finest. Rotations for harvest are 70 years plus, bio diversity is huge, forests move from old closed canopy low light areas to clear felled open ground. Yes it looks ugly but this quickly changes with seeding and in a very short time the open patches fill with dozens of species of plants and animals that dont thrive in mature forest.
      Still, as a councilor said, farm foresty is not monoculture, I visted a farm where they grow three (3) different varieties of trees.
      Additionall, the same Premiere Andrews spent $30 million dollars of public money to buy out a perfectly viable sawmilling company after starving the company of trees to mill. However a heavilly unionised sawmill in Heyfield seems to be the sole beneficiary of this largess. Sawlogs are hauled 100’s of kilometres from allover the state to this mill.

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        Ronin

        He has to pander to the watermelons to stay in power don’t forget.

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        Dennis

        Applications to VicGov for land management records in the years before 2019/20 bushfires relating to State Forests and National Parks were rejected.

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        Yarpos

        He will be gone before the firestorms arrive.

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        Geoff Sherrington

        Sambar,
        In the early 1990s I would sit in on the monthly management meetings of our subsidiary APPM. These guys were professional foresters and similar and they knew their beans. One would anticipate a profitable future by taking their advice.
        Politicians who later failed to take advice from such experienced professinals, or even asked for it, then dominated the policy scene, with disaster as a result.
        It is a similar pattern to what we a living through with Aussie electricity supplies. The older professionals knew and know the best wat to provide for Australians, but their advice is not followed. Disaster again.
        My problem is that I do not know what motivated pollies to ignore the best and land us all with the worst. I have lived through the post-war golden years when experience and learning dominated political decision making. Now political preference among politicians decides policy. There are some big, near-invisible strings being pulled by powerful interests behind the scenes. Time to clean them out. Geoff S

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          Kalm Keith

          Observation;

          “I do not know what motivated pollies to ignore the best and land us all with the worst”.

          Answer;

          M O N E Y. CASH. MOOLAH.

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          Sambar

          Yes GS, the guys on the ground, what the hell would they know. I tried to get a newly elected councillor to come for a tour with me. Wanted to show the the sawdust mountains from old mill sites burnt out in 1939 and again in 2009. The stands of regrowth ash are truely spectacular and just 50 years old but look like old growth forest to those that are not capable of understanding timber is the most renewable of resources. Cant find the time. To busy with the renewable energy/ micro grid scenario. Wants a local battery. When I explained that batteries at the very best are highly inefficient the reply just floored me, the answer to inefficient batteries is “science” and its only a matter of time until the storeage problems are solved. Apparently the “laws of physics” are just a minor problem waiting to be solved. Ignorance I can tolerate, stupidity, well thats a differnt kettle of fish !

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      Dennis

      A Labor-Green alliance government in Tasmania converted State Forests set aside a very long time ago for sustainable logging to supply the timber industry into UN Agenda 21 National Parks, sustainable logging and just about everything else banned.

      The Abbott Government worked with the then Liberal Government of Tasmania to change the National Parks back to State Forests but were unsuccessful, foreign rule prevailed.

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        Kalm Keith

        Don’t worry.

        China can sell us some.

        China has lots of timber in the lands it “acquired” from Tibet.

        Unless, of course, it’s all been cut and sold by one of the CCPs specially installed governors.

        I heard several years ago that a great deal of coastal forest had been logged up north and sold to you know who.

        Nobody knows where the money went but the logs had a very specific destination.

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      Ted1

      As I remember, around 60 years ago there was a Masonite factory north of Newcastle, I think around about Tomago.

      Being prudent people, they sought to ensure future timber supply by planting 10,000 acres of pine trees at Tea Gardens. Magnificent it was.

      One hot summer’s day a disgruntled former employee set fire to their plantation and wiped them out.

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        Kalm Keith

        I heard that working conditions at that plant were disgusting.

        Men were expected to work with their arms in deep troughs of highly poisonous liquid. I forget what the liquid was but when I heard that I was horrified.

        Never heard about the fire, but maybe whoever set it had been badly treated.

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        beowulf

        The Masonite factory was set up from memory either during or just after the war and is still there. My old firm used supply it until 10 years ago. I have never heard of 10,000 acres of pine being grown by anyone at Tea Gardens or anywhere else in the Hunter Region. AMP bought a huge area there and they clear-felled it of native vegetation for beef in the 80s without the slightest murmur from the greenies. The only plantation in that area that I know of was in about the mid-90s and that was Spotted Gum for telegraph poles, but that was further inland.

        The Masonite plant was using hardwood logs and offcuts as feedstock until recently as far as I know. I’ve seen the log trucks rolling in there.

        If you were going to grow 10,000 acres of pine, Tea Gardens would not be the place to grow it. The soils are sandy and poor. The place got its name from the wildly ill-informed and ill-fated attempt by the Australian Agricultural Co. to establish a tea plantation there using copious amounts of convict labour in the early 1800s on their million acre land grant that encompassed all the northern shore of Port Stephens and a vast swathe of the hinterland. The land was so bad that they handed it back and demanded a new grant further to the north around Stroud/Gloucester, which made their fortune from timber and beef.

        Where did you hear the story about the pine?

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        beowulf

        Beg your pardon Ted. You’re correct. I found a 1954 article about it on Trove.

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    OriginalSteve

    And …exactly as predicted – we will be belted by “lockdowns” until us plebs roll over and offer our arms to the globalist bullies.

    Bit like being treated like naughty kids, being disciplined for not taking a vaccine thats not a vaccine….and a vaccine that appears to cause blood clots…um…hang on….

    More infectious often correlates with less dangerous. But it appears the media havent wanted to tell people that.

    And were on a “knifes edge”…..full marks for teenage-level drama…..the sky is falling….well maybe next week…. 🙂

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-29/australias-new-covid-phase-as-delta-variant-spreads/100249444

    “As the Delta variant spreads, Australian experts say maintaining ‘COVID zero’ means lockdowns until vaccination rate improves

    “Masks, lockdowns, restrictions, infection controls, hotspots.

    “Experts have labelled this week a “critical moment” of the pandemic, while others say the country’s on a “knife’s edge”, with three states and a territory — New South Wales, Queensland, Western Australia and the Northern Territory — sitting in lockdown.

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    Harves

    Two cases of covid detected today in a state of 5,000,000 – quick let’s lock down over 3 million of them to avoid this virus that kills virtually no one.
    Oh, but the lockdown won’t start till after our two AFL teams have flown interstate. Clearly if you play football you’re immune to the virus.
    Oh, and we also had more cases before the weekend but it was ok for 56,000 people to attend a Rugby League match on Sunday.
    Total hypocrisy – look after your footy mates while trashing the rest of the economy. It’s disgusting!

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    OldOzzie

    As Biden bumbles, the question is: Who’s really running the country?

    Chris Rock famously said, when Barack Obama was president, “The president and the first lady are kind of like the mom and the dad of the country. And when your dad says something, you listen.”

    Joe Biden, though, is the granddad of the country, and when you listen to Granddad, sometimes you wonder whether it’s safe for him to be near a pair of scissors.

    No big deal, though; it’s just that there’s this guy who looks like he’d have trouble using Google Maps and he happens to be in charge of all the nukes. On the rare occasions when Biden’s staff let him out of the dayroom to be seen on camera, pre-selected members of the press ask him the gentlest conceivable questions and then wind up cringing anyway as Biden gives one unnerving display after another.

    Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin must watch these press conferences giggling uncontrollably at their good fortune: Suddenly the world’s greatest power is in the hands of a slightly dazed-looking fellow who seems like he is always just waking up from heavy anesthesia.

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    Dennis

    Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce has been fined $200 for not wearing a face mask in a service station while refuelling a vehicle, police were called by a member of the public who observed the breach of regulations.

    Please explain: given that service stations are potential fire hazard areas they are open apart from a carport-style roofing, so how could such an area be an indoors area as described for face masks?

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    hypersonic

    Hot on the heels of man competing in womens Olympic weightlifting a man has just been crowned “Miss Nevada” and the women of this world STILL remain silent

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      Sambar

      Just a few osbservations here, 1/ The contestant was called a “Las Vegan” i..e. some one from Las Vegas. The litteral translation “the Vegetable” Hmmm.
      2/ These people are always refered to as trans women, why not trans gender. Hmmm
      3/ Without knowing, so mere speculation on my behalf, the person appears to have been surgically enhanced, is this in the rules for beauty pageants. If you can afford the adjustments you can win over natural attributes. Hmmm

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    Furiously Curious

    I don’t get submarines. Someone mentioned recently they will creep into shallow coastal waters to eavesdrop on electronic conversations? Really? Wouldn’t satellites be much better? And with modern tech they are going to be very vulnerable to satellite detection. OK they’re mobile rocket launchers,(mutual assured destruction) but do we entertain that role, as we don’t have nuclear missiles? I don’t get it. Are we planning to rerun WW11, and have a war that will last more than a few days/weeks. With modern tech every vulnerability is targeted, someone will push a button, and civilisations will be paralysed. It will take years to put it back together. (And where are they going to get their diesel?) (Do they have huge bladders hidden in the deep ocean somewhere?) If the opposition don’t want to bother hacking or jamming, atmospheric nuclear blasts can wipe all electronics. Maybe we should be investing in tech to be able to prepare for ‘Mad Max’? 60 billion buys lots of body armour. Mind you in another generation, will there be anyone capable of gerry-rigging anything?

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      Ronin

      McHales navy at its best, it’s a joke, subs, battleships, aircraft carriers are so WW2, it’s all changed, we need 100’s of nuke & conventional missiles hidden under Ayers Rock, any onshore threats, just push the button.

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      Ronin

      Most modern blokes couldn’t grow a tomato or get a chook to lay an egg.

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      Yarpos

      Depends what you are looking for. Satellites arent the snswer to every mission.

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      PeterS

      Interesting balance. We spend billions to build and send subs to spy on other nations while CCP sends people to spy on us. I think the CCP is just sitting back and patient till the day we crash and burn then they come in and pick up the pieces. Same with the US but I suspect Russia would take a big slice there. Our present real enemies are right next to us, not afar.

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    Lewis P Buckingham

    Interestingly now that the delta or Indian variant is the most active virus in the UK, it is being alleged that because the Covid deaths have stopped, the delta variant is not causing much disease or death.
    The suggested corollary [AKA proof],is that the delta variant is harmless because it does not kill people.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtOu7jx3snQ
    However another interpretation is that with over 80% of the British population carrying detectable antibodies for the disease and the aged and weak all having died already, this variant has no one left to kill.
    For us in Australia this is a danger sign.
    We are not vaccinated fully or to 5%, and there is no ‘herd immunity’.
    Few have the antibodies.
    If this or any variant rips away, the aged and weak are still sitting ducks.

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    Mark Allinson

    “Tell that to all the people who have died of Covid” – is a line often heard suspect that not all is as reported:

    A court in Lisbon has recently ruled that only 152 people had actually died from Covid, not the 17,000 claimed.

    If this is the trend across the board we might see Covid was a lot less deadly than advertised.

    https://americasfrontlinedoctors.org/frontlinenews/lisbon-court-rules-only-0-9-of-verified-cases-died-of-covid-numbering-152-not-17000-claimed/

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    greggg

    Adverse reactions to Ivermectin are rare, but they do happen.

    ‘A total of 1,668 reports for ivermectin were identified. The most commonly reported adverse events for ivermectin were pruritus (25.3%), headache (13.9%), and dizziness (7.5%).’
    ‘Examples of serious neurological adverse events reported included such terms as unable to walk, consciousness disturbed or depressed level of consciousness or loss of consciousness, seizure or convulsion, encephalopathy or coma, and tremor. The reported dosages of ivermectin ranged between 3 and 24 mg’
    ‘Ivermectin exhibits poor penetration of the blood-brain barrier of vertebrate animals due to the presence of a drug-transporting p-glycoprotein. However, studies in knockout mice for the p-glycoprotein encoding gene, mdr-1, displayed levels of ivermectin in the brain which were 90-fold greater than normal mice. Furthermore, it is well established in the veterinary world that certain breeds of dogs, such as collies, are sensitive to the neurotoxic effects of ivermectin as a loss of function in the mdr-1 gene in these breeds allows for an accumulation of ivermectin within the brain. Symptoms of neurotoxicity include lethargy, drooling, tremors/seizures, inability to stand, disorientation, and coma.’

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/321534750_Serious_Neurological_Adverse_Events_after_Ivermectin-Do_They_Occur_beyond_the_Indication_of_Onchocerciasis

    My blood brain barrier doesn’t work very well so I’ll be avoiding Ivermectin as well as vaccines.

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      David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

      G’day greggg,
      With Ivermectin having been used in humans for about 40 years, your 1668 reports gives a simple average of just 41.7 pa, rather smaller than the numbers being mentioned for the “vaccines”.

      OriginalSteve has some numbers upthread at #8.3:
      https://joannenova.com.au/2021/06/tuesday-open-thread-62/#comment-2438392
      giving the number of “reports” – so far this year – as 1,509,266, roughly 1000 times bigger than the 40 year accumulation for ivermectin.
      The number of deaths (15,472) alone is about 10 times greater.

      I won’t be taking the jab, but would take ivermectin if I were not prevented by false regulations in the TGA.

      Cheers
      Dave B

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      Ross

      If you look up adverse reactions to any registered drugs – you can get similar horror stories without considering context. Paracetomol (Tylenol to our US mates) is often considered the most “safest” pain killer. Yet, last year 720 people died from paracetamol adverse events in that country. I work in the agchem R & D industry. Once we have confirmed the efficacy status of a new active ingredient there follows 3 years of tox studies, including very intensive cancer investigations. In the pharmaceutical industry once efficacy is confirmed it basically goes straight to market. The widespread initial use IS the Phase 3 studies. Have a look at the number of drugs that have been recalled after release because of significant adverse effects. There’s heaps. Start with one – Vioxx.

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    greggg

    ‘For three deaths prevented by vaccination we have to accept two inflicted by vaccination.’

    https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/9/7/693/htm

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      Hanrahan

      The present assessment raises the question whether it would be necessary to rethink policies and use COVID-19 vaccines more sparingly and with some discretion only in those that are willing to accept the risk because they feel more at risk from the true infection than the mock infection.

      A. My wife is totally dependant on me for her mental and physical wellbeing.

      B. I have a high Vit D level with no comorbidites [how we bandy around words we never used before] and live in the tropics. I do not feel vulnerable.

      A + B = C*

      C* I don’t want no stinkin jab if it carries ANY risk that I won’t be here for her. My son is still urging me to submit. No way Jose.

      Vhey haff vays to make me have it, just not yet.

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        OriginalSteve

        They have let the panic monkey out already, so now the sheep have started stampeding , they wont wind it back.

        The N W O looks like it will be ushered in as a medical dictatorship.

        Masks appear not be be about disease at all, but about forced compliance. Lets face it, cov19 by and large us no worse than a bad flu….

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    Rod

    Deary me. Did the FDA leave this Covid-19 document up by mistake?
    I’ll forward it to WIN tv after tomorrow night’s anti-vax show at 8:30pm.
    Bound to be a hoot.

    Anyway,straight from the horse’s mouth…

    FDA Safety Surveillance of COVID-19 Vaccines :
    DRAFT Working list of possible adverse event outcomes
    ***Subject to change***
    * Guillain-Barré syndrome
    * Acute disseminated encephalomyelitis
    * Transverse myelitis
    * Encephalitis/myelitis/encephalomyelitis/
    meningoencephalitis/meningitis/
    encepholapathy
    * Convulsions/seizures
    * Stroke
    * Narcolepsy and cataplexy
    * Anaphylaxis
    * Acute myocardial infarction
    * Myocarditis/pericarditis
    * Autoimmune disease
    * Deaths
    * Pregnancy and birth outcomes
    * Other acute demyelinating diseases
    * Non-anaphylactic allergic reactions
    * Thrombocytopenia
    * Disseminated intravascular coagulation
    * Venous thromboembolism
    * Arthritis and arthralgia/joint pain
    * Kawasaki disease
    * Multisystem Inflammatory Syndrome
    in Children
    * Vaccine enhanced disease

    Link to FDA pdf:

    https://www.fda.gov/media/143557/download

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    David Maddison

    Drbeen Medical Lectures talks about the Novavax vaccine.

    It is a traditional type of vaccine for covid and ticks all the boxes regarding concerns thinking people have with the other vaccines.

    It also seems to be more effective than the others.

    It has been approved in Australia, I just hope it is available for thinking people who want or demand it.

    “You Will Love This Vaccine (Novavax Vaccine)”

    https://youtu.be/Q00lyd3gyy4

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      Brenda Spence

      Watched this viideo, looks like it could be a starter.

      My WA paper has letters to the editor ranting about the unvaccinated, saying we shouldnt be allowed to travel, etc blah blah blah.

      Its a hot topic.

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    David Maddison

    I am sick of the social engineers talking about the innoculation with the possibly-dangerous available vaccines as “the jab”.

    That expression is engineered to sound innocent and playful when it is potentially a very serious matter, especially when Australians are not allowed the option of simple, proven and safe antivirals like HCQ and Ivermectin administered according to appropriate protocols.

    I prefer to call it THE INJECTION. It sounds much more serious. You then know it’s something worth thinking about.

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    Hanrahan

    Does anyone remember being told You look like the wreck of of the Hesperus?

    I do, and I was too young to be curious and didn’t have the net anyway. Yet to check for historical accuracy but I just watched a 1946 film of dubious sound quality. Watchable as it is, maybe of historical interest.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F77efuoc1gY

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      Hanrahan

      According to wiki it was a narrative by Longfellow, fiction drawing on fact.

      Still an interesting period movie, wreckers existed.

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    CHRIS

    I’m over the Covid Crap. I’m 68, asthmatic and diabetic…and I have no intention of getting any kind of jab soon. When sanity finally prevails, I may consider getting stuck…but I won’t hang by my thumbs worrying about it.

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      PeterS

      Same here. Given there is far more likelihood I would be killed in a car accident than by the virus, I rather not play Russian roulette and take as many of the standard procedures I can to avoid catching the virus in the first place.

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      Lucky

      Have you enquired about Budesonide and Pulmicort -asthma medications?

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    RicDre

    Climate Litigation Supporters Admit That Attribution Science Is Failing In Court

    From Energy In Depth

    JUNE 28, 2021 | WILLIAM ALLISON

    Serial climate litigation promoters appear to have scored a huge “own goal” when it comes to “attribution science”

    Hey, they said it.

    A group of academics – who are outspoken supporters of the climate litigation campaign – released a report this week that admits that the climate attribution science currently being deployed by plaintiffs attorneys has serious flaws.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/06/29/climate-litigation-supporters-admit-that-attribution-science-is-failing-in-court/

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    PeterS

    Stats released show that there were over 100,000 arrivals into Australia in May this year. Many of them would most likely have the C19 virus. So much for locking our international borders. We have been conned, yet again.

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    PeterS

    This video from our government tries to answer the question, do the COVID-19 vaccines stop transmission? Reading between the lines the answer is no.

    Top 3 with Dr Lucas de Toca: COVID-19 vaccines & transmission, virus mutation & waiting for vaccine

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    Lance

    California seems to be enjoying their renewable grid in unexpected ways.

    https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2021/06/29/blackouts-loom-in-california-as-electricity-prices-are-absolutely-exploding/

    Seattle WA: 40 C (normally about 25 C)

    Portland OR: 46 C (normally about 25 – 30 C )

    https://www.pennlive.com/weather/2021/06/portland-reaches-record-high-temperature-of-116.html

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    Grogery

    Interesting read regarding covid “vaccine”. Linked by poster at The Conservative Treehouse.

    Resolving-Long-Haul-COVID-and-Vaccine-Toxicity:-Neutralizing-the-Spike-Protein

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      Lance

      Translation of article: The “Jab” brings about a whole new set of problems.

      Therapeutics including HCQ, Ivermectin, Quercetin, Vitamin C, and others, work to interrupt the ACE2 attack, minimize the cytokine storm, and are effective at preventing spike protein binding.

      Um. It brings to mind the question of “Why would anyone submit to an unapproved pseudo vaccine when therapeutics perform as well or better without all the side effects?”

      Good article. Read it for your own benefit.

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        PeterS

        Why are we in Australia being bullied into taking a vaccine with known side-effects when the death rate from the virus itself has been zero so far this year? Why even the lockdowns? Now Alice Springs is in lockdown even though there were no cases, simply because somebody there went back to Adelaide and later most of his family members tested positive. Can anyone see the absurdity of this? How about we just lockdown the whole nation until there are no cases, then we can open up the state borders. Oh, wait a second. We still have thousands of people entering Australia every week. Their agenda is clear. The vast majority of us have to be vaccinated. Let’s see how that goes.

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          PeterS

          The fact is the lockdowns are raining down on us to scare us into taking the vaccines. No deaths and still extremely low numbers of cases by world standards.

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          The miner from the mine in The Northern Territory.

          They’re all FIFO.

          He lives in Ballarat North Central Victoria.

          He goes home at the end of his days of work. At the end of his days off, he flies back to Queensland. That’s where the chartered aircraft with ALL the FIFO’s leaves from, so all mine workers at that mine fly to their homes, and then ALL of them back to Brisbane for the flight back to the mine.

          He flies in from Ballarat, gets off the plane and then waits at the terminal for the connecting flight, a couple of hours away in time.

          But no ….. “Mate, you’re from the State which starts with V, so it’s into mandatory hotel quarantine for you for two weeks.” He’s already been tested Negative for the coronavirus, and his connecting flight is on the tarmac engines warming up for the return flight.

          Off to the Novotel with him.

          Two weeks later, after missing shifts and pay, and having to pay for hotel quarantine, and again testing negative during his stay at the mandatory tests, he flies back to the mine.

          Later, he tests Positive for the ‘deadly’ Indian Variant or whatever code they use for that.

          In between that and the test, miners he works with are exposed, and unwittingly, fly off at the end of their shifts to all points of the compass, taking the coronavirus with them.

          He caught the [email protected] disease in hotel Quarantine.

          Hmm!

          Immense own goal by the Queensland Government if you ask me.

          But no, hey, HE’S the one who gets the blame and is now vilified by all and sundry especially by that woman who runs Queensland and her offsider, that Palaszczuk woman.

          “Hey look over there, isn’t that another disgusting super spreader?”

          Quick, change the subject.

          Tony.

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            Lance

            Quite Right. The Miner is blamed according to the Politics of the moment. Little people are expendable in the view of the elite. It’s always been such. Collateral damage. Doesn’t make it right. But its what those without power often get. Oddly, those little miners now control the only reliable power available and even unto those with Power. 🙂

            Per, Mr. William S.:

            All the world’s a stage, And all the men and women merely players;
            They have their exits and their entrances; And one man in his time plays many parts,
            His acts being seven ages.

            Last scene of all, That ends this strange eventful history,
            Is second childishness and mere oblivion;

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            Chad

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            TonyfromOz
            June 30, 2021 at 12:26 pm · Reply
            The miner from the mine in The Northern Territory.

            They’re all FIFO.

            He lives in Ballarat North Central Victoria.

            He goes home at the end of his days of work. At the end of his days off, he flies back to Queensland. That’s where the chartered aircraft with ALL the FIFO’s leaves from, so all mine workers at that mine fly to their homes, and then ALL of them back to Brisbane for the flight back to the mine.

            He flies in from Ballarat, gets off the plane and then waits at the terminal for the connecting flight, a couple of hours away in time.

            But no ….. “Mate, you’re from the State which starts with V, so it’s into mandatory hotel quarantine for you for two weeks.” He’s already been tested Negative for the coronavirus, and his connecting flight is on the tarmac engines warming up for the return flight.

            Off to the Novotel with him.

            Two weeks later, after missing shifts and pay, and having to pay for hotel quarantine, and again testing negative during his stay at the mandatory tests, he flies back to the mine.

            Later, he tests Positive for the ‘deadly’ Indian
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            TonyfromOz
            June 30, 2021 at 12:26 pm · Reply
            The miner from the mine in The Northern Territory.

            They’re all FIFO.

            He lives in Ballarat North Central Victoria.

            He goes home at the end of his days of work. At the end of his days off, he flies back to Queensland. That’s where the chartered aircraft with ALL the FIFO’s leaves from, so all mine workers at that mine fly to their homes, and then ALL of them back to Brisbane for the flight back to the mine.

            He flies in from Ballarat, gets off the plane and then waits at the terminal for the connecting flight, a couple of hours away in time.

            But no ….. “Mate, you’re from the State which starts with V, so it’s into mandatory hotel quarantine for you for two weeks.” He’s already been tested Negative for the coronavirus, and his connecting flight is on the tarmac engines warming up for the return flight.

            Off to the Novotel with him.

            Two weeks later, after missing shifts and pay, and having to pay for hotel quarantine, and again testing negative during his stay at the mandatory tests, he flies back to the mine.

            Later, he tests Positive for the ‘deadly’ Indian
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            TonyfromOz
            June 30, 2021 at 12:26 pm ·
            The miner from the mine in The Northern Territory.

            They’re all FIFO.

            He lives in Ballarat North Central Victoria.
            and then ALL of them back to Brisbane for the flight back to the mine.

            He flies in from Ballarat, gets off the plane and then waits at the terminal for the connecting flight, a couple of hours away in time.

            But no ….. “Mate, you’re from the State which starts with V, so it’s into mandatory hotel quarantine for you for two weeks.” He’s already been tested Negative for the coronavirus, and his connecting flight is on the tarmac engines warming up for the return flight.

            Off to the Novotel with him.

            Two weeks later, after missing shifts and pay, and having to pay for hotel quarantine, and again testing negative during his stay at the mandatory tests, he flies back to the mine.

            Tony, which miner , and what source your info ?
            Several reports i have read state he flew in from Bendigo on the 17th,.. stayed ONE night in Brisbane quarantine hotel, before traveling onwards to the mine the following day. …?
            https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-28/covid-restrictions-delta-variant-australia-sydney-bondi-cluster/100248754
            However other reports also suggest the traveled to the Sunshine Coast for a few days before returning to the mine ??
            But, 2 weeks quarantine,?,. Self paid ?,…loss of wages ? ….where does that come from ?
            Are these different Miners, or is there just a lot of confusion about this situation ?

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              Chad

              I dont know what happened with that post ?
              Some kind of “digital echo “ ..?

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              Hey Chad,

              Umm, looks like I might have been avoiding you here, but I’ve spent most of the afternoon doing the vacuuming of our Apartment, and then running the steam mop over the floors.

              I based what I wrote above on the first news report I heard immediately following the incident, (on Nine News I think, the 4PM bulletin on the day) and it looks like that might have been spurious, so I humbly apologise for getting that wrong. He was however the source of the outbreak at the mine site, and all who then followed going back to their homes. Subsequent reports placed the blame squarely on him, you know, not naming him, but virtually vilifying him as irresponsible, which seems to be becoming more frequent now. These people have no idea they have it, but the politicians especially are all looking to lay blame somewhere other than that person that they see in the mirror.

              So, sorry for that.

              Tony.

              Post Script – Incidentally, for all of you, since I have now assumed those duties of vacuuming and mopping, my good lady wife, although she likes the idea, is a little miffed that I seem to have found a way to make the task easier. I have one of those Dyson’s the older upright ones operated from 240V. I specifically sought it out for her when I got it, as this one is like the big ones of similar design, but a quantum level lighter than any brand vacuum cleaner, and this one is the lightest Upright out there, and it’s an absolute beauty. As to the mopping, I got hold of one of the early iVacs, cleverly branded as a ‘Steamy Wonder’, and it was on special at 49 bucks. It uses just the two tubs of water to do the whole apartment, and is as light as a feather, and so easy to operate. All I buy occasionally are the cloth heads which can be machine washed as well.
              I did have a problem with the head on the Vacuum cleaner, and I phoned Dyson Australia for some help, mainly where I could take it to have it fixed. The Dyson people put me through to their service department, and over the phone, the lady guided me through the complete dismantling of the head to get at the roller itself, which I suspected to be the source of the problem. Step by step, for the dismantling and I couldn’t have done that without help. Then we put it back together and the problem was solved. I only needed to be shown the once as now I can do it myself, and honestly, the problem has not resurfaced. They also directed me to the parts department if I needed parts in the future, get them on line and do the fix myself. I have never had help like that before from anywhere. The lady who directed me with my initial problem asked the model number, and she then had the same model in front of her while she guided me through the steps without even the slightest of ‘where is that, or what do you just do’. Bang. All done over the phone. So, I thoroughly recommend Dyson.

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          PeterS
          June 30, 2021 at 11:59 am · Reply
          Why are we in Australia being bullied into taking a vaccine with known side-effects when the death rate from the virus itself has been zero so far this year? Why even the lockdowns?

          I understand your confusion and consequent frustration,……
          … however allow me to explain a little..
          The “death rate” from the virus has NOT been zero,…ask anyone in Indonesia, India, UK, etc etc. I has been zero in Australia only because up to now we have been lucky/smart at stopping it getting in the country and keeping the spread under control when it has got in.
          That has been achieved by the use of Quarantine for travellers and lockdowns for outbreak sites. Without those, there would be multiply more cases, multiple more ICU patients , and ultimately a increasing death rate !
          …Unless you believe there is something in Australians bloodline that make us unique and immune from this virus ?

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            PeterS

            I prefer not to play Russian roulette with my life and not take the vaccine. If we do start getting people dying from the virus and it’s trending badly then I will reconsider. If I had to travel to one of the countries where there are many deaths then I would definitely take the vaccine. It’s all about balance of probabilities and common sense. If we are to use the precautionary principle as some claim then we should first ban cars as they cause far more deaths. The blanket precautionary principle on its own is useless in the real world. Other factors must be taken into account when assessing the risks.

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            Lance

            Let’s recap. We are in day 500+ of “15 days to flatten the curve”.

            The “death rate” from the vaccine* has NOT been zero. Ask anyone, around the world.

            AU has somewhat isolated themselves from infections by locking down their borders. What that really means is that AU has not achieved any relevant level of herd immunity and AU is now largely at risk of severe “death rates” because of that action. The economic impacts are obvious and will continue.

            mRNA pseudo-vaccines are Not approved as actual vaccines, have Not passed any accepted vaccine trials, are experimental unapproved pharmaceuticals, do Not convey long term immunity, Do cause adverse reactions greater than all adverse reactions to all approved vaccines in the last 50 years and that in the last 5 months.

            Nobody knows what the long term impacts of mRNA spike protein effects are. Nobody.

            None of the Pfizer, Astra Zenica, J&J, or other manufacturers of covid vaccines* have any legal liability for their products. None.

            Never in the history of the world has the healthy population been quarantined or threatened with criminal charges for not taking an unapproved, experimental, unknown, pseudo vaccine.

            Never, in the history of the world, have provably effective therapeutic drugs with 40+ years of experience been legally removed from prescription by Govt edict and threat to prescribing doctors for off label usage of known safe drugs. Ever.

            So, Chad, is there something in the AU bloodline that makes Australians immune to the pseudo vaccine negative effects?

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              Given that we weren’t even sure that “Herd immunity” was a realistic possibility the only sensible approach was to shut the borders.

              We still aren’t sure, though the latest info seems to be more promising. I still have doubts that herd immunity works as well with a cluster spreading disease. And with the virus mutating with leaky vaccines, aiming for herd immunity might turn out to be chasing rainbows that keep moving.

              Given also that this was a possible bioweapon, the only realistic choice was to shut the door and keep it out while we watch the world try to battle it, and figure out just how nasty this virus is. It’s just a shame our friends didn’t do that too. :- )

              The economics impacts of letting the virus cross borders seems a lot worse than keeping it out (Aus, NZ economies, doing very well) though national economies built on tourist dollars would disagree.

              AndI really must do some posts on past plagues so people realize that lockdown and quarantine have been done many times before and often applied to the healthy as well as the sick. (After all, we didn’t even have tests to find the carriers in 1665). Whole families were locked into their homes for 40 days with crosses painted on their doors. Whole towns were cut off. Just like climate change, everything we think of as bad today has been done before and so much worse. I would expect if we had the documents that there would have been some kings somewhere who decreed a particular solution to their particular virulence could be solved by drinking gnats blood and every serf must do it.

              But Lance is quite right, the Vax is experimental. I want to see data on the odds of dying from any cause in the months following the vax compared to the odds for case controlled unvaxed people. And Australia would be the best place to do that, because we don’t have the virus running free to confound those odds. Does having the vax increase your odds of stroke two months later, or dementia two years later? Who knows? We know Covid radically does increase the odds of nasty things happening, so the vax is probably still better than the virus by a long shot. But as Lance says… why are we banning the cheap good drugs with known (and minimal) side effects?

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                Raving

                UK is going for Herd Immunity 2.0. It’s over. The Johnson government has sworn to it.

                The July 19th full open might coincide with 4th peak wave
                https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

                This is how covid ends … ???

                Whatever it is, we will find out

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                PeterS

                Our borders are not completely closed. Not sure if it’s significant enough though but thousands are entering Australia every week, at least a month ago (over 100,000). Perhaps we are more resilient, immune and/or careful with our health than we thought given our case numbers are extremely low and there has been no deaths due to the virus all year. Still too many unknowns to make a real assessment.

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              Tel

              AU has somewhat isolated themselves from infections by locking down their borders. What that really means is that AU has not achieved any relevant level of herd immunity and AU is now largely at risk of severe “death rates” because of that action. The economic impacts are obvious and will continue.

              Except that we aren’t.

              In the past year many good treatments have been discovered, most importantly Ivermectin and a whole bunch of nutrition supplements. The whole country should be taking at a minimum Zinc and all the basic vitamins … many people are … but the real problem is our own health departments refuse to provide useful information and they block the use of the most effective therapies. Actually, the officials don’t offer ANY TREATMENT to someone who has tested positive, they tell you to sit around and do mothing until you either get better or end up in ICU. That’s how useless our government is.

              We also have a much better profile of the virus now, it’s only dangerous to old people and certain high-risk groups. Everyone else should be out there catching it and getting over it … if anyone in this country had any brains.

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            Kalm Keith

            Chad, did you see this;

            ” Their agenda is clear.
            The vast majority of us have to be vaccinated. ”

            The “data” on which your analysis of overseas countries plight wrt CV19 is in the popular press and even government statements but that data is not fit for sensible statistical analysis and amalgamation into one big frightening data set.

            As mentioned many times before, the early CV19 spots in New York and the active region in Italy, were extremely dodgy in many aspects to the point that comparison with Australia and say Vietnam was nonsense.

            The Australian experience; NSW government handling of the cruise ship was extremely dodgy and Victoria’s high rise incubators speak for themselves.

            Does government here really care about the population or is there money circulating.

            NSW, just one state, is spending two million dollars a day to detect non symptomatic “cases”.

            I’m sure that money would be better used in giving extra care and support to those who are showing symptoms and in clearing some of the backlog of delayed surgeries that are causing untold distress.

            Our governments have no sense of balance.
            ?

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        Lucky

        Grogery, yes a good article. It has a good summary of the treatments. The author concludes with, .. use “the guidance of a trusted physician or other appropriately-trained health care professional.” That is just about impossible in Australia where those professions are regulated by government and individuals can be seriously fined and de registered for mentioning ‘un-approved’ medications.

        Suggestion for an entrepreneur- set up an off-shore medical service. Have fair rates for consultations by email or phone, stated qualifications and operating philosophy.

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    Most Australians who died of COVID-19 had a serious pre-existing condition, data shows – average age of death 85
    New mortality data from the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) has shown 73% of Australians who died with COVID-19 had at least one other co-morbidity, mainly dementia (41%), chronic cardiac conditions (32%), diabetes (17%) and hypertension (16%). Some had multiple chronic conditions.
    https://www.theweeklysource.com.au/most-australians-who-died-of-covid-19-had-a-serious-pre-existing-condition-data-shows-average-age-of-death-85/#prettyPhoto

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    PeterS

    It’s now apparent the whole of Australia is panickng into paralysis on just a few cases here and there, and in some areas where there are no cases at all. Furthermore, no deaths. Madness.

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      Chad

      Peter S,
      Its simple….no deaths because the death rate is less than 1.0% , and there are so few cases,.. ( thanks to border quarantine and lockdowns ?) .
      BUT, What if the lockdowns were not in place , and there were a few hundred cases every day ? …
      ….The picture may not be so cosy then. ,!

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        PeterS

        Yes but here the number of cases have been extremely low and the death rate zero all year, with or without the lockdowns. It exposes two reasons why the state governments here are so trigger happy with lockdowns. One, the state governments want zero cases. Two, it’s a tool to panic as many people to take the vaccines in preparation for opening fully the overseas borders eventually.

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          Tel

          The Australian government has come out and said that eradication is not going to happen.

          https://www.health.gov.au/news/eliminating-covid-19-a-false-hope

          I have no idea why this dumb idea simply won’t go away … but yeah they keep demanding the totally unrealistic goal of zero cases. Either someone is not honest or perhaps they keep changing their minds.

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            PeterS

            The left hand doesn’t knwo what the right hand is doing. Too many cooks spoil the broth. When clueless people are given advice they remain clueless.

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    Philip

    https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/brisbane/queensland-s-deputy-premier-takes-aim-at-federal-government-s-covid-overseas-arrivals-policy/ar-AALBiKY?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

    Our borders are not shut and we continue to leak in the virus. Simple stuff. No one should be allowed in or out. No one.

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        Even though you preface this reply as a question, where did I say that ? But until the virus is null and void, yes. Life goes on domestically quite fine, economy is good, jobs are available, you can live without risk of getting the virus. Why is going overseas so vital ?

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          Lucky

          Q. Why..
          A. Because scare mongering bullies do not and should not determine personal objectives nor should they have the gross level of power they currently wield.

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      Chad

      Philip
      June 30, 2021 at 5:49 pm ·
      Our borders are not shut and we continue to leak in the virus. Simple stuff. No one should be allowed in or out. No one

      Ahh yes !, …the simplistic ..”Im alright Jack” ..attitude…!
      May as well make that a State border closure also…same reasoning ?
      Why dont we cut off all international communications also ..like the internet ,..and phone lines, to stop all those nasty digital virus’s as well ?
      And dont forget all those freight containers, and bulk ships….god knows what nasties they might be carrying !
      I know of a few caves you could hunker down in ,…
      Yes lets retreat to “Fortress Australia” !

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    Dave

    Not sure if this has been posted!

    But Robert Felix passed away on 10th June!

    Iceagenow was another favourite site!

    SAD!
    https://www.iceagenow.info/our-beloved-friend-and-author/#comments

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      Lucky

      The astonishing thing about the Zelenko Protocol, on top of reported great success, is that no one has put up money for a conventional trial (double-blind, peer reviewed..), despite all the money wasted on propaganda. Yet the usual authorities can say, ‘It does not work’.

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    MrGrimNasty

    Since the continuously accumulating (and all too readily attributed) death count from covid was not scary enough – because it has such a low fatality rate, they had to bolster the scare to justify the crazy response and push people to vaccines with something else.

    They could have called it chronic or post-viral, but that is too well known, too normal sounding, so ‘long covid’ was conjured up and alarming phrases bandied about to describe the ‘horrific’ damage on the body.

    I have long believed this to be a gross exaggeration, a ploy, and I have been irked by people spreading the alarm. Maybe I was right to be suspicious?

    “The researchers — some of whom are colleagues of mine — were able to dig into electronic health records from the NHS, and produced a startling figure. Of the 1,199,812 people they found who’d had a positive test for Covid, been hospitalised for Covid or been otherwise diagnosed with Covid, just 3,327 had also reported Long Covid — that’s 0.27%, a different universe from the other numbers.”

    https://unherd.com/2021/06/does-long-covid-really-exist/

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    another ian

    “In April, British researchers published a definitive paper on the subject in The Lancet Diabetes & Endocrinology, a peer-reviewed journal. The researchers examined the medical records of almost 7 million people in England to look at the link between obesity and severe outcomes from Covid, including hospitalization and death. The topline findings show only a moderate link between extra weight and Covid risk. But when the researchers looked more closely, they found that’s because in older people, being overweight does NOT drive excess risk.”

    More and link at

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2021/06/30/put-down-the-cookie/

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    How many people have died from the vaccine? over 303 is that right?
    COVID-19 vaccine weekly safety report – 01-07-2021
    https://www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-safety-report-01-07-2021

    Some Countries With The Highest Vaccination Rates Are Facing A Surge In Covid Deaths And Infections–Experts Say Complacency Is Partly To Blame
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/05/29/some-countries-with-the-highest-vaccination-rates-are-facing-a-surge-in-covid-deaths-and-infectionsexperts-say-complacency-is-partly-to-blame/?sh=74d71c44570b

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