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    Jim Holder

    My understanding is that any foreign enterprise setting out to register a company in China must include in the company’s constitution:
    – an allocation of equity (shares) to the State (CCP);
    – establishment of a committee representing the interests of the State (CCP)
    that is included in board meetings and/or is informed by the board of all
    issues;
    – provision of all IP information to the above committee.

    If correct then all foreign corporations have been complicit in transferring their IP to China in return for minimal wage rates in their manufacturing (or other) operations.

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      David Wojick

      Free market Communism? The left should love it.

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        Tilba Tilba

        No – free market capitalism – that is why a thousand American corporations abandoned Ohio and Michigan and Pennsylvania and headed for Guangdong. They can make a widget there for $2.0 instead of $17.00 – and the quality is good.

        The right might love it, but the left does not … unions and state-city level Democrats have tried to stop the tide – Republicans never do, they just cheer the profits and Wall Street. If you wish to see who has destroyed the Old America – check the Fortune 500, rather than look for reds under the bed.

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      Tel

      If correct then all foreign corporations have been complicit in transferring their IP to China in return for minimal wage rates in their manufacturing (or other) operations.

      Yes they certainly all knew about it.

      There’s a agency problem in large corporations, similar to any organization including government departments … the CEO is merely an employee, no different in concept to the janitor, but the CEO happens to be able to get higher pay and make bigger decisions. If the CEO gets five years of great profits and then retires, the long term future of the company doesn’t really matter to the individual employee. Put crassly, it ain’t her money.

      This has been made worse by many trends including shareholders being isolated from the company decisions … many shareholders are actually Superannuation funds (or 401k funds in the USA), and a lot of the industry Super fund managers aren’t even smart enough to invest for themselves, they buy an index fund. The chain of control from nominal “ownership” to actual decisions looks like this:

      [1] Workers money goes into compulsory Super … nominal “ownership” starts here.

      [2] Industry Super fund buys index fund (or 401k in USA).

      [3] Index fund buys into largest 100 companies for no other reason than because they are large.

      [4] Shareholders elect board but index funds have no idea and often don’t vote.

      [5] Board appoints a CEO as employee.

      [6] CEO actually makes the decision to sign up with CCP and exchange long-term capital (in the form of IP) for short-term profits (because lower wages) … nominal “ownership” far removed from decision here.

      In the middle there are also government regulations dipping in at every level, pushing hard for politically correct outcomes. Very likely every 10 to 20 years there is a stock market crash in some form or other, so if the nominal “owners” at step [1] don’t retire with much then we say, “Golly no one could ever have seen that coming!”

      The other issue of course is that no IP is truly valuable at the corporate level for the long haul … all the basic research is published openly and everything, everything gets copied sooner or later, one way or the other. You can’t sit on a position of advantage and expect to hold that advantage without working for it. Technology gets commoditized, prices drop … consumer is sovereign. Although a government can to some extent shelter it’s industry from competition, that loss of competitiveness also leads to long term stagnation … we might all end up economically moribund like Adelaide.

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    https://lindelltv.com/mike-lindell-tv-releases-irrefutable-election-theft-proof/

    Hard to argue with Physicist Dr Douglas Frank’s explanation and analysis of the 2020 Election Fraud.
    I enjoyed this immensely knowing that everyone involved will be caught.

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      John R Smith

      It was clearly an INSTALLATION, not an election.

      My ability to critique mathematical assessments is limited.
      Ok, non-existent.
      However, I can lift my head from a screen and look out the window.

      Characteristics of INSTALLATION:
      Takes place inside a razor wire security perimeter guarded by 25,000 troops.
      The Installed was in last place in the faux primaries and the VP had dropped out.
      Powerful international corporate and political interests work diligently to erase analysis like that linked above.
      The Installed can’t even carry a tune.
      Those that dare to look out their window are labeled ‘Conspiracy Theorists’.

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      Ms. Fraser
      It is easy for ME to argue with yet another superficial math exercise concerning the 2020 election.

      The analysis of the 19 bellwether states was enough for me — that Trump won 18 of the 19 is strong evidence of election fraud, but not SPECIFIC evidence.

      Add the late night ballot dumps in key Democrat controlled cities, and puzzling examples of vote counts for Trump seeming to go backwards on TV screens, several times during the count.

      Mike Lindell, along with Sidney Powell and Lin Wood, all know there was more election fraud than usual. And they want to do something about it. That’s good. Trump said long before the election that when absentee ballots became the norm, rather than the exception, that invites election fraud.

      But Lindell, Powell and Wood managed to look like conspiracy nuts to the general public, and that includes me. I voted for Trump, but I don’t appreciate conspiracy theories and Trump claiming, with great confidence, but no evidence, that he won the election

      Finding specific evidence of election fraud is hard work. It is nearly impossible to do in the six weeks from election day to December 16, 2020 when electors are confirmed.

      No one is going to confess, and politicians of both parties want to avoid investigations — they all want people to think that elections are honest. because that’s how they got their jobs

      Illegal voters ?
      — proof requires a big stack of ballot envelopes signed by ineligible voters.

      Forged signatures ?
      –proof requires a big stack of ballot envelopes with forged signatures

      Forged ballots ?
      Proof requires a big stack of ballots that were filled out by a printing machine

      What we don’t need are ballot recounts by hand, to recount the same illegal ballots again, followed by false claims that a hand recount proves the election was honest.

      What we really need are in-person voting with voter IDs.

      What we don’t need is the Dumbocrat’s H.R. 1 — the Democrats Forever Bill that makes election fraud easier than ever before.

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        Yarpos

        Perhaps they could start in California, they seem to have the capability to check every signature on Newsoms recall petition. You know, while they are at it and all.

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        https://t.me/s/SidneyPowell?before=488

        Ive picked a side, I like good honest people’s loyalty to high ideals like true Democracy by Legal Election. I prefer a bit of wild passion in pursuit of honest elections to the too polished too poised too serious “Move along, nothing to see here” brigade of liars who’ve been brainwashing us for who knows how long.

        Anyway, happy to wait and see, following Sidney on Telegram to see how she gets it done

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          Tilba Tilba

          I prefer a bit of wild passion in pursuit of honest elections …

          No-one likes a bit of wild passion in pursuit of honest elections more than I, but Sidney Powell has come out recently to say all her claims about Big Fraud were not meant to be believed … she was just being wildly passionate I guess. Do you have a view about her statement, in relation to high ideals, or even legal ethics?

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        Tilba Tilba

        The analysis of the 19 bellwether states was enough for me — that Trump won 18 of the 19 is strong evidence of election fraud, but not SPECIFIC evidence.

        The fact is, that for months prior to 3 November, the vast majority of the polls showed a consistent Biden lead in the 6-7 swing states, and those results panned out, pretty much. I don’t know whether the election was fixed, but I sure know that no-one has demonstrated that it was, let alone proven it.

        Bits of mathematical mumbo-jumbo count for nothing – while the opinion polls were pretty accurate (but stand by for claims that the opinion polls themselves were all part of the big conspiracy, LOL).

        I wish people could just accept the most straightforward explanation: Donald Trump was deeply disliked outside the MAGA faithful, and 45% was never going to be enough for him to win the election. Joe Biden is no inspiration, and has baggage, but a genuine majority wanted Trump to be a one-term guy.

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        Tilba Tilba

        But Lindell, Powell and Wood managed to look like conspiracy nuts to the general public, and that includes me. I voted for Trump, but I don’t appreciate conspiracy theories and Trump claiming, with great confidence, but no evidence, that he won the election

        Yes indeed … and not helped by the fact that Sidney Powell has now come out claiming (in her Dominion defamation defence) that her statements about vast fraud weren’t meant to be believed. “Just kidding!” LOL – you cannot make such stuff up.

        I also don’t think Trump did himself any favours pre-election by claiming that the only way he could lose the election is if it was rigged. That would have turned a LOT of people off.

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          Despite relentless media denial, youtube and facebook evictions, threats to lose jobs, and military purges, still 30% of Americans are willing to say to pollsters that they believe there was widespread voter fraud. https://www.newsweek.com/43-men-believe-there-was-widespread-voter-fraud-election-compared-29-women-poll-1566998

          Who knows what the other 70% really think.

          There are 150m registered US voters. So that’s 50 million people who agree with Trump, and if the issue was covered by the media and allowed by the Tech-Giant censors, that number would easily double. That’s why they have to work so hard to shut people up isn’t it?

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            Tilba Tilba

            I take your point … but it still remains a circular argument.

            Donald Trump comes out before and after the election and said exactly what his critics said he would say – “I wuzz robbed” – and more to the point, he said it without any supporting evidence, because it was always going to be his approach.

            His plan was – if he failed at the Electoral College (and his team could read the polls right through summer as well as Team Biden could) – that he would sow so much doubt and controversy that it would wind up in the Supreme Court, and his personally selected Republican majority would hand him a Second Term on a platter – Bush v Gore 2.0.

            But stuff happened. And I am surprised that it’s only 30%, which means even a sizeable slice of Trump supporters believe the election was fair. Anyway – it’s becoming a pretty stale story; a bit like Hillary and Benghazi and the server.

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      Peter C

      I enjoyed this immensely knowing that everyone involved will be caught.

      I can only hope and pray that they are all caught and prosecuted and punished.

      The evidence is there but the guilty people are in charge. How can proper government be restored?

      “This is no small thing, to restore a republic after it has fallen into corruption. I have studied history for years and I cannot recall it ever happening. It may be that our task is impossible. Yet, if we do not try then how will we know it can’t be done? And if we do not try, it most certainly won’t be done. The Founders’ Republic, and the larger war for western civilization, will be lost.”

      “But I tell you this: We will not go gently into that bloody collectivist good night. Indeed, we will make with our defiance such a sound as ALL history from that day forward will be forced to note, even if they despise us in the writing of it.”

      ~ Mike Vanderboegh

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        Kalm Keith

        The summary we needed;

        “The evidence is there but the guilty people are in charge. How can proper government be restored?”

        Both Susan and Richard have valid points but that quote is the missing link.

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      Tilba Tilba

      The special broadcast features Dr. Douglas Frank who holds a Ph.D in Surface Analytical Chemistry for the University of Cincinnati.

      Gosh … perfect qualifications for examining the mechanics of an election. I wonder if he could also wash my car while he’s there? LOL

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        Kalm Keith

        As Jo said the other day; it is getting repetitious.

        And maybe we could change your name to Cindi.

        Your “True colours” are “shining through”.

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    el gordo

    Models divided over a low pressure system, will it become an east coast low or track inland?

    https://www.weatherzone.com.au/news/threat-of-more-heavy-rain-for-eastern-australia-/533817

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      Hanrahan

      There is a 20 hPa gradient from Tas to Cape York.

      That’s terrifying, lol.

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      OldOzzie

      No reopening date set for Bells Line Of Road as extent of flood damage discovered

      A crucial transport route between Sydney and NSW’s central west will be closed for months after sustaining severe damage in last week’s floods.

      A crucial transport route between Sydney and the state’s central west will be closed for months after sustaining severe damage in last week’s floods, the NSW transport minister has revealed.

      Andrew Constance warned users of the Bells Line Of Road to prepare for “many, many weeks of disruption”, with the damage so severe the government cannot yet speculate on a date for the reopening of the key Blue Mountains crossing.

      In confronting news for freight companies and communities living along the 90km route, Mr Constance told The Daily Telegraph: “We need to brace ourselves for what is unfortunately going to be months of work, not weeks”.

      The Transport Minister said the “sheer volume of landslips” caused by torrential rains over the last fortnight meant large sections of the road were unsafe, with the fragile surface presenting a “tricky and difficult” challenge to state government engineers trying to access damage along it.

      Major concerns remain regarding the stability of slopes and the risk of landslides on the stretch of road between The Hive and Mount Wilson Road.

      Maintenance teams and specialist geotechnical teams have been on site all week assessing the stability of the route, while a ground penetrating radar has been used to assess ground conditions beneath the road.

      “It’s very rare to see a major road disrupted over a period as long as this … We’d love to be able to give it a date (for reopening), but every indication from what I’m told is that it’s going to be a very lengthy process,” Mr Constance said.

      “The notion of the Bells Line Of Road being an alternative to the Great Western Highway is over at the moment … unfortunately there’ll be many, many weeks of disruption.”

      On average 2497 vehicles use the road each day when it is open.

      Mr Constance asked residents, particularly over the Easter Weekend, to plan their trips and expect delays as thousands of extra vehicles are funnelled across the Great Western Highway.

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    David Maddison

    Now they’re talking about building windmill towers from wood because it is more “carbon friendly” than steel.

    https://youtu.be/98_TQhh9UUg

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      robert rosicka

      Won’t be needed soon now that Albo has found a way to charge cars from solar panels at night !

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        Sceptical Sam

        Do keep up, Robert.

        Luminous solar panels do that. They’re so effective you can see them glowing in the dark. They run the electrons backwards. Always to the left. That’s the difference. CSIRO should be releasing a paper any day now on how this leftwards flow produces such a glow. The Chinese already have a copy.

        Look at Google Earth. Do you not see how Pyongyang lights up at night? That’s courtesy of Albo’s night-time PVs and CSIRO’s research. The Chinese leaked it to Ill Kimm John. Sick – I know.

        But that’s not all. Albo has yet to release his other amazing scientific discovery. Windmills that produce electricity without spin. Yes. No spin. Now, I know that you’d find that hard to believe. Albo not spinning. An amazing feat, in and of itself. However, here it is:

        The physics are pretty amazing. This is how it works. Essentially.

        The air is the Anode (+). The composite blade is the Cathode (-). Even without any movement an electrical current is set up between the two as the humidity in the air provides an effective electrolyte. The e- flow is transmitted by direct feed to a 300 MW battery, which in turn provides power for 150,000 homes continuously. The glow on the blades comes from a special paint, patented recently by Falun Dusk. You know, the guy who launch a humor site called Thud!

        Dusk was recently quoted as saying: “It’s pretty obvious that comedy is the next frontier after Pyongyang glows at night, the Chinese produce transparent luminous paint, and brain-computer interfaces can directly translate cats’ thoughts to paper”.

        Yep. Charging cars at night from solar panels is a mere bagatelle. Just ask the cat.

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          RicDre

          New NightShine Solar Panels “Game-Changers” In Fight Against Climate Change!
          By J I Thacker reporting from the front line of the climate emergency

          A new prototype solar panel from the Technical Institute of Copenhagen (TIC) promises to be a game changer for renewable energy prospects.

          “Hitherto, daily and seasonal intermittency has been a killer for solar panels,”

          “What if solar panels could work at night?” Pierrot wondered.

          “Traditional solar panels work by intercepting photons. Naturally the Earth is opaque to photons, so at night the panels are useless. But the Sun emits another kind of particle that shines right through the Earth, even at night: solar neutrinos.”

          The only problem for the team was finding a material that would intercept a particle that is extremely reluctant to interact with any ordinary matter.

          Keying in on this relationship, Pierrot was able to theorise a molecular structure that would be partly opaque to neutrinos, based on the precise orientation and atomic spacing of the lattice.

          The NightShine solar panel is still in its testing phase at the moment. The magical material may still be a trade secret, but we know it is expensive, and the panel’s lifetime is uncertain. But Pierrot is confident he’s onto a winner.

          Pierrot’s work was funded by, among others, the European Union Onion Growers’ Union (EUOGU).

          https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/04/01/new-nightshine-solar-panels-game-changers-in-fight-against-climate-heating/

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          “They run the electrons backwards. Always to the left.”

          Of course they run to the left !
          Leftists would not allow their electrons to run to the right. To the right electrons would be white supremacist electrons. Note: This is NOT April Fools Day satire.

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          Annie

          Very funny S Sam!

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      Sceptical Sam

      Hmmm.

      So, now the Texas sharp shooters won’t need to blast the bejesus out of the nacelles. They’ll just terminate them with termites.

      Way to go!

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      another ian

      Wow! A 400 foot Mosquito fuselage?

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      David Maddison

      So the key take away is:

      140,363 doctor certified deaths occurred between 1 January 2020 and 29 December 2020 and were registered by 28 February 2021. This compares to a baseline average of 140,471 over the past 5 years.

      Deaths in 2020 have not followed the typical seasonal pattern with above average numbers of deaths in the warmer months and below average deaths in the colder months. Overall, the number of deaths for the year is very close to the historical average.

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        Broadie

        Simple problem for those with a little time.

        If the birth rate increased by %42 during the 1940’s and 50’s and the average life expectancy is about say 80 vears what will be the increase in mortality in 2020 and 2030?

        Nice to see everyone putting on their masks and queuing for the Gas Chamber in Queensland tobay

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          MP

          Not everyone, I went to 6 different businesses in two towns yesterday, no mask and nobody cared.

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            Grogery

            I wish more people would flatly refuse to mask up, it would be much harder for the police to fine innocent citizens if very few wore one.

            I went maskless into a bar last night and when about to be served I was sternly told I would not be served without wearing a mask. So I moved across a few feet and sat on a bar stool – problem solved, I ordered my drink.

            Am I the only person who thinks these mask rules across the whole state of QLD are idiotic?

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              MP

              The first car I saw when I drove off the block was one person in a mask, by themselves and windows up, they are loving this stuff. God help the sane one’s.

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          Annie

          Isn’t overall mortality 100%? or am I missing something?

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        MP

        I think the take away is, total covid deaths 832 for 2020, yet it is listed as 909 on every other site that counts bodies https://covidlive.com.au/report/deaths There have been no deaths in Aus this year. where did the extra’s come from?

        Worldometer does state that the data comes from honest government and media sources, two things that don’t exist.

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          R.B.

          Possibly OS tourists from the cruise ships if the lower number is only citizens and permanent residents. Just a guess. No idea why it would be.

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            MP

            There were 27 deaths from all cruise ships combined. (did a quick count) This is the Aus governments data and should be correct.
            Even if all deaths from cruise ships were non Aust and for some strange reason not counted as deaths in Australia even though they died in Australia, that leaves 50.

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        Tilba Tilba

        Deaths in 2020 have not followed the typical seasonal pattern with above average numbers of deaths in the warmer months and below average deaths in the colder months. Overall, the number of deaths for the year is very close to the historical average.

        Demonstrates that masks, social distancing, and lockdowns worked extremely well … the economic and lifestyle pain have been rewarded.

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          Tel

          In your language “rewarded” means that overall deaths are completely normal.

          Weird.

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            Tilba Tilba

            Do you have a comprehension problem?

            It is clear that the strong and sensible response to the pandemic across Australian states have ensured that there isn’t a big spike in deaths over annual averages. In that sense the economic and lifestyle pain we experienced has been “rewarded”. Do you have a problem with that? If so, then you can choose from

            – was justified
            – was vindicated
            – was worth it overall
            – saved a lot of lives

            Not weird … just English.

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              Tel

              The word “rewarded” means you got something better than normal.

              The statistics show that Australia’s death rate was fairly close to normal as quoted above “140363 deaths for 2020 as compared to baseline average of 140471 deaths per year”.

              You can invent your own words, but forget about giving me lectures on English … you only make yourself look like a twerp with these word game shenanigans and believe me everyone can see it.

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                Tilba Tilba

                The word “rewarded” means you got something better than normal.

                It does not. Your comprehension and understanding of my sentence I think is flawed, and believe me everyone can see it.

                I said this:

                Demonstrates that masks, social distancing, and lockdowns worked extremely well … the economic and lifestyle pain have been rewarded.

                What we went through (especially here in Melbourne) was rewarded by having no spike, no extra deaths, in 2020. A reward for effort and sacrifice. English 101.

                But enough … why did you bother to raise it all? It is a rhetorical question – reply not required.

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      Tel

      “Infections declined from mid August as the Victorian lockdown controlled community transmission.”

      That’s a little dishonest … the second Victorian “lockdown” started 20th of June so the entire second wave of infections (based on the ABS graph that’s all the way until the end of September, or three months) happened during the lockdown.

      There’s no evidence in those statistics that this lockdown controlled anything, and indeed that same curve over three months happens in plenty of other statistics like CDC stats for New York City … meaning that it takes about three months for the wave to run its course regardless.

      https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

      There’s CDC statistics, looking at excess deaths you can clearly see some peaks in 2020, but take a look at state by state and in particular compare these:

      * New York City: caught completely by surprise, got hit hard and early, implemented lockdown measures right in the middle of the wave … ended up taking about 3 months to run it’s course. A very low second wave appeared over winter, also about three months.

      * California: well prepared, got hit after the other states, with one big spike from late November to mid February … lots of lockdown measures, mask mandates, you name it, still took three months to run its course.

      * Florida: didn’t do much at all, no lockdown, got two smaller separate waves and each of those took about three month to run through. About the same deaths per capita as California, once you adjust for population age.

      It always takes about three months to finish a wave and if you want to be empirical about it and look at the data … the lockdowns are useless and penalize people for no purpose whatsoever. The deaths were worse in New York and New Jersey where they did implement measures, meaning that it certainly does not provide any guarantee of protection. Delaware had very similar lockdown rules to New York but vastly lower number of deaths per capita demonstrating no correlation between policy and results.

      Connecticut had similar rules, but without the jackboot enforcement, and they got a better result than New York or New Jersey but worse than Delaware. Again, there’s no correlation in the data whatsoever.

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    robert rosicka

    Peter Ridd discovers Coral is a hardy species after all , some species were found in a contaminated breakwater in Mackay so were living in reduced light with oil pollution evident .

    Sorry can’t copy the link for whatever reason .

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      “Coral is a hardy species after all” Robert, I nave a couple of lumps of solidified crude oil I picked up at low tide from a thriving fringing coral reef on the north side of Horn Island in the early eighties, both of which had coral starting to grow on them. They probably came from the grounding of the tanker Oceanic Grandeur in 1970 on what is now known as OG Rock. The ensuing spill devastated local marine industries but it is nice to know that the environment can eventually recover from such a disaster.

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    David Maddison

    I am surprised not many have commented on this latest insanity involving Turnbull.

    Turnbull is toxic. What was the NSW Government thinking?

    https://www.2gb.com/federal-minister-surprised-as-malcolm-turnbull-to-head-nsw-climate-advisory-board/

    Federal Minister ‘surprised’ as Malcolm Turnbull to head NSW climate advisory board

    Energy Minister Angus Taylor says he was surprised Malcolm Turnbull accepted the role of chairman of the NSW Net-Zero Emissions and Clean Economy Board.

    Environment Minister Matt Kean recommended the former prime minister for the new role.

    The board will give strategic and expert advice on program design and funding proposals to meet emissions reduction targets.

    Mr Taylor told Ben he won’t be working with Mr Turnbull directly.

    “I was a bit surprised Malcolm took on this role, a former prime minister.”

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    Joseph.

    Curious . . . .
    Noticed the ABC isn’t showing the American stock market figures during the mid day TV news over the past couple of weeks.
    Anyone know why?

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    Hanrahan

    An interesting thought on self driving Tesla/Uber.

    The CCP has banned Teslas from military or other sensitive establishments because, by definition, they have many cameras/sensors. Only a brain dead Biden wouldn’t have the same mandates in the US.

    Both countries are paranoid so It should be expected that “sensitive” has a broad definition.

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    Don B

    President Eisenhower warned about the Military Industrial Complex, but what we need to worry about today is the Big Pharma Industrial Complex.

    Big Pharma, plus the anti-Trump forces, actively worked to prevent Covid-19 treatments from being used.

    “A groups of scientists and phd researchers put together a ‘living review’, a database of all the papers on hydroxychloroquine which can be viewed here: https://c19study.com/ They suggest that had it been used over 1,344,703 lives could have been saved.”

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/hcq-behe

    https://roundingtheearth.substack.com/p/the-chloroquine-wars-part-ii

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      MP

      “President Eisenhower warned about the Military Industrial Complex, but what we need to worry about today is the Big Pharma Industrial Complex.”

      They are controlled by the same people

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    RicDre

    Plant Growth Takes A Steep Toll On The Soil – Supposedly

    Guest post by Henry Gillard

    I loathe reading scientific papers. Too often the grammar is appalling; the objectives of the work being described are unclear; the main body of the paper is a thicket of technical terminology; the summary of what has been found is unintelligible (and sometimes, the summary seems hardly related to the body of the paper).

    Occasionally, just occasionally, I read something in a scientific paper that makes me smile.

    The report summarises a paper published earlier in the week (24-03-2021) in Nature, and adds comments from two of the co-authors.

    The lead author lets us into one of his secrets: “When plants increase biomass, usually there is a decrease in soil carbon storage”.

    Wow! Who would have thought that? When a plant grows, it extracts nutrients and carbon from the soil and converts that into its roots and stem and flowers and seeds. That sounds like something I learned at age 11 in Mr Collins’s Biology class, but Mr Collins was not a Fellow at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory who worked on this research as a post-doctoral scholar at Stanford University, so perhaps I under-rated him all those years ago.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/03/31/plant-growth-takes-a-steep-toll-on-the-soil-supposedly/

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      Kevin kilty

      I love expose’s like this. Eisenhower also warned us about the scientific elite. Over a “career” I have had a front row seat to the workings of some of these elites and it was sobering to say the least. I wish people had understood what Eisenhower was warning about, but as everyone here now knows, Americans think they are smart (#3) and well informed (#4) but they are neither in fact.

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    RickWill

    Just for a minute or two, forget that tropical oceans regulate to 30C and sea ice forms at -2C to give an average surface temperature of 14C.

    Now it has been determined that the radiating temperature of the Earth is 255K. That means energy released from the Earth is departing on average way up in the atmosphere well above the level where ice deposits to form cirrus cloud. We are advised that the “greenhouse effect” acts like a blanket such that the surface is 32C warmer than the radiating temperature; hence 287K. We are also told that the blanket is getting thicker.

    Lets say the thicker gas blanket takes the surface temperature to 290K. That means the blanket is now providing 35C of warming. To do that there needs to be more radiation taking the long path through radiative gasses resulting in more cooling at altitude and corresponding increases in high cloud formation. That cloud will reflect more sunlight so the albedo will increase and less sunlight will reach the ground. This is contrary to the formulation of the “greenhouse effect” where albedo is accepted as constant or actually providing positive feedback rather than negative feedback.

    It appears the gas blanket theory is flawed. I will stick with the reality that the maximum surface temperature is regulated to 30C and the minimum to -2C rather than this “greenhouse effect” bunkum.

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      Kevin kilty

      If I might offer a clarification, it is this: What you are calling the radiation temperature, 255K, and nearly everyone phrases this similarly, is actually an “effective” blackbody temperature. It is a useful fiction to simplify the 3-D + time complexity of radiation transfer into a zero-degree model. The radiation cooling the Earth leaves at higher temperatures in places and lower in others. It has a spatial structure to it that changes from day to day and season to season. As the surface warms the concommitant IR radiation increases, but not all of it needs to take the long path. Where there are no clouds in the way, and very little water vapor, a path that seems almost direct can be observed through the radiation temperatures revealed on some of the satellite IR bands.

      I will not claim to having studied this completely, but I cannot see how there is any positive feedback in these instances. Instead there is a fraction of radiation, which changes with time, that obeys the negative feedback stefan-boltzman law.

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        RickWill

        I know it is an average but it is also close to that value in the tropics where the majority of emission occurs high in the atmosphere. OLR over the tropical oceans is typically a little over 200W:
        https://neo.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/view.php?datasetId=CERES_LWFLUX_M
        The radiating temperature, given the high emissivity of ice, is around 250K to achieve that. The average emission temperature is a tad higher because of dry land like the Sahara that hums away at around 300W/sq.m. or an average radiating temperature around 277K.

        For the planet to warm up, there will be more water vapour and more OLR will be absorbed in the atmosphere and eventually released at high altitude. It follows there will be more cloud and less sunlight reaching the ground. Obviously a strong negative feedback.

        The CSIRO are predicting the tropical oceans will reach 314K by 2200. The maximum precipitable water will need to increase from the current 65mm to 200mm for that to occur. To say I am skeptical of that is an understatement.

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    RicDre

    FNC’s Carlson: Canada Sending COVID-Positive Individuals to ‘Internment Camps’ — ‘You Think That Couldn’t Happen in America?’


    On Monday, the country’s Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, outlined his government’s new corona regulations.

    Canadians hoping to return to their country must be tested before and after takeoff, he said, quote: “If your test results come back positive, you’ll need to immediately quarantine in designated government facilities. This is not optional.”

    This is Justin Trudeau’s Canada.

    It’s funny, Trudeau always seemed like a cheerful idiot, wearing weird costumes and yammering on about diversity. Who knew he was Mussolini? There might be a lesson here for other nations that are led by shallow neoliberal empty suits.

    In Canada, where everything has a euphemism, those cells are referred to as approved quarantine hotels.

    https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2021/04/01/fncs-carlson-canada-sending-covid-positive-individuals-to-internment-camps-you-think-that-couldnt-happen-in-america/

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      Klem

      And the Canadian MSM has barely reported it. Tucker reports it but most Canadaians don’t watch Fox news, they watch CNN and CBC. Canadians are famously brain dead.

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      Tilba Tilba

      In Canada, where everything has a euphemism, those cells are referred to as approved quarantine hotels.

      What is the issue? Many countries (including Australia) have had mandatory 14-day quarantine (mostly in designated hotels) for many months – as a condition of travel. Maybe that is one reason why such countries have much lower Covid-19 infection and death rates than America.

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    Kevin kilty

    The question Carlson asks is slightly terrifying. From my limited view of what is happening in the U.S. the Democrats can’t quite figure out from day to day if they are hoping to become the new NSDAP, the new SED, or a reincarnated KPSS. Their complete lack of self-knowledge and sense of irony are telling characteristics — they must employ an enormous bureau that thinks up the
    misleading euphemisms to title their executive orders and proposed laws.

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      Kevin kilty

      Darnit. This comment should have been 14.1.

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      RicDre

      I think world is seeing the gestation of a new party, the Global Socialists Workers Party (GSWP). It has much in common with the NSDAP, it hates Democracy and Capitalism, is antisemitic, hates workers but put “Workers Party” in their name to try to obscure that fact and it wants to take over the world.

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    Kevin kilty

    I was hoping to resurrect the brief discussion from many days ago, I can’t remember which thread, originating with David Wojick about recent peat fires in Scotland. Some commenters on that thread spoke of people planting trees in these peat bogs, but it was never made clear what the purpose was of these trees, nor did anyone specify what the species are.

    However, it is coincidentally interesting that in Alberta people have found that the height of black spruce growing out of bogs acts as a good indicator of risk of the peat catching fire. Trees shorter than 2 meters indicate little risk, but at 5m height the trees indicate a great risk of fire. These fires can be spontaneous something I knew from damp hay catching fire when stacked. Possibly the increased incidence of these Scottish peat fires is related to the trees, but more information would be nice.

    Anyone know?

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    RicDre

    Big win for common sense: New York City Loses Appeal Seeking to Hold Oil Firms Liable “Global Warming”

    A big win for pro-energy groups today out of the 2nd Circuit Court

    A big win for pro-energy groups today out of the 2nd Circuit Court

    The federal appeals court rejected New York City’s effort to hold five major oil companies (BP, Chevron, ConocoPhillips, Exxon Mobil and Royal Dutch Shell) liable to help pay the costs of addressing “harm” caused by global warming. The court clearly said the regulation of greenhouse gas emissions should be addressed under federal law and international treaties, not at the state level.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/04/01/big-win-for-common-sense-new-york-city-loses-appeal-seeking-to-hold-oil-firms-liable-global-warming/

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    RicDre

    Perceptions of climate impacts at odds with scientific data

    Reposted from NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT

    The survey of British adults suggests that the public perceive the impacts of climate change to be more negative than the academic research would suggest. However, there is also a significant minority of the public who say they are ‘not very’ or ‘not at all’ concerned by climate change.

    In total, 28% of respondents said they were ‘very concerned’ about climate change, 42% said ‘fairly concerned’, 18% were ‘not very concerned’ and 6.4% described themselves as ‘not at all concerned’.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/04/01/perceptions-of-climate-impacts-at-odds-with-scientific-data/

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    Peter Fitzroy

    China deaths from COVID 4600 deaths USA 560,000 deaths.

    According to reports China was slow in identifying the seriousness of this outbreak, but the USA does not have that excuse.

    What justification is there to allow golf a million of your citizens to die?

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      Dave in the States

      You take China at their word?

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      MP

      Why is this the only disease that is not annualised, when is the reset button pushed. You believe data from Chain, well that’s says so much about your gullibility.

      Don’t blame Golf but it may of been the salmon mousse.

      You wrote 560,000 then state a million?

      “What justification is there to allow golf a million of your citizens to die” Democrat states, sick people into aged care.

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      tom0mason

      Peter Fitzroy,

      You are so naive, when you have lived long enough in this world you may learn more (but I doubt it). The Chinese (like so many orientals) will say ANYTHING to ‘save face’.
      Trump knew this which was why he took the attitude he did with them — take advantage of their ‘saving face’ attitude.
      In fact most lefties try the same trick — even you, Peter do it. This current bunch of illogical, corrupt, and inept lefties will just roll-over if the Chinese regime bribes them.

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      Furiously curious

      CDC says 78% of people dying from covid were obese or overweight. Not a massive problem for the Chinese.

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      Harves

      … and it’s purely coincidence that this virus was first noticed in the same place as a laboratory that just happened to be researching these types of viruses. But nothing to do with the laboratory, right Peter? Because China says so.

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      Peter Fitzroy

      So its OK then for half a million citizens to die, because the chinese are liars?

      I don’t understand why you would be happy about that death rate.

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        MP

        Your the one who presented liars as evidence of something.
        What is your point here, do you have one?

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        tom0mason

        Peter Fitzroy,
        Your ‘face-saving’ response gives it all away Peter.
        You wish to been seen as a some kind of glorious virtue signaler but instead you are just another wannabe.
        Yes people have died but neither you, nor I, have a means to verify the figures. You believe (ain’t that always the case with lefties) in the numbers, I am skeptical that we’ll ever know the truth, especially from the lying CCP.
        The recent history of the Chinese Communist Party leadership shows that they care little if it is one man shot in Tienanmen Square (the big thing for the CCP, was all the publicity not the dead people), or 10’s of millions in China’s ‘Great Jump Backward’ – then the ’cause’ justified the means.

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        Hanrahan

        Fitz, it is clear you blame someone for these half million deaths and exonerate others. If I were make assumptions about who these people are you would worm your way out by denial. Could you be be specific so I can shoot you down in flames?

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          Tilba Tilba

          I believe the US death toll is FAR higher than it need be, for three reasons:

          1. Trump denied its potential threat, thinking it was bad politically
          2. The medical infrastructure and planning needed was way under-prepared
          3. Many states are run by rightwing populists, who backed Trump, and didn’t act

          There is also something in the American psychology and culture too – a reckless selfishness, a dismissal of community effort and sacrifice / compromise, married to the stubborn denialism of a two-year-old having a tantrum over not getting a chocolate.

          Bad combo. “I’m gonna party on 4 July because I’m an American, and I run free! Wah!Waaah!”

          And ironically, Trump denying the pandemic reality did in fact cost him the election.

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            Kalm Keith

            Nup.

            The big issue was America’s penchant for stuffing people into “nursing homes” to give them any extra few years staring blankly at the other residents.

            How many honest to goodness CV19 deaths have there been in the U.S. since January 1?

            Nursing homes empty.

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              Tilba Tilba

              Nup.

              Lots of countries (including Australia and NZ) have a “penchant” for placing people in aged care, but they didn’t have anywhere near the rates of the US. Any other hypotheses?

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            Hanrahan

            3. Many states are run by rightwing populists, who backed Trump, and didn’t act

            List these states and compare them to NY.

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    MP

    https://web.archive.org/web/20200325193923/https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid

    From the link.
    Status of COVID-19
    As of 19 March 2020, COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious diseases (HCID) in the UK.

    The 4 nations public health HCID group made an interim recommendation in January 2020 to classify COVID-19 as an HCID. This was based on consideration of the UK HCID criteria about the virus and the disease with information available during the early stages of the outbreak. Now that more is known about COVID-19, the public health bodies in the UK have reviewed the most up to date information about COVID-19 against the UK HCID criteria. They have determined that several features have now changed; in particular, more information is available about mortality rates (low overall), and there is now greater clinical awareness and a specific and sensitive laboratory test, the availability of which continues to increase.

    The Advisory Committee on Dangerous Pathogens (ACDP) is also of the opinion that COVID-19 should no longer be classified as an HCID.

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    R.B.

    China has had only 4 deaths since April 18 despite 7000 more cases. Of the 1000 active cases at the time, a death rate of 2% would be 20 people.

    There was a sudden 1300 people added on April 17, with daily deaths almost 0 for a month. They had an outbreak of 100 a day in Beijing in mid January, quickly quelled with no lockdown and only 1 death on the 25th. A death rate of less than 0.1%.

    Their record keeping is dodgy.

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    MP

    I heard on the Radio yesterday that the QLD solitary confinement had been extended 12 hours as the dictator Palacechook did not want people leaving for holidays at 5 am, danger, danger.
    She in her infinite wisdom figured it was safer to have all the cars on the road through peak traffic times and therefore driving at night. Most people leave early for travel so they can arrive at their destination in daylight hours, drive during daylight hours.

    Are we being locked up to reduce the road toll now, where is this going?

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    Harves

    Australia’s death rate for 2020 lower than the baseline. I wonder if any other dangerous pandemic has had such a positive outcome?🤔
    https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/health/causes-death/provisional-mortality-statistics/latest-release

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      MP

      The Jones town pandemic I believe killed nearly 100% of everyone who caught it, I don’t think they had masks though.

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    el gordo

    Export Opportunities

    WELLINGTON, New Zealand (AP) — ‘Australia announced Wednesday it would begin building its own guided missiles in close collaboration with the U.S. as it seeks to boost its defense capabilities.

    ‘The news comes amid growing unease in the Pacific region about China’s increasing assertiveness and military abilities.

    Citing the “changing global environment,” Prime Minister Scott Morrison said it would partner with a weapons manufacturer to build the missiles in a plan that would create thousands of jobs as well as export opportunities.’

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      David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

      I guess he’ll have them made in China because it’d be cheaper.
      Cheers
      Dave B

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      beowulf

      All hail Morrison the visionary, the man of action. Just too little action way too late.

      I imagine our first missile will roll off the SA production line in about 2090 — blackouts permitting — just in time to be installed on our first French sub, both of them 50 years obsolete at delivery.

      Now Morrison only needs to build the storage for our gazillion litre strategic fuel reserve and get it all back here pronto. While he’s at it he can increase our refining capacity again and get more local pharmaceuticals happening. Our drug production capacity in a time of potential conflict should be somewhat more than just Quickeze and Smarties, although I realise Tassie could corner the market for opium.

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    William Astley

    It is interesting how long the Vitamin D scam has gone on.

    The covid statistics and graphs for every country provide an opportunity for the general public to find out about the Vit D scam and the Medical System concept scam. Our Medical system (all western countries) is controlled to hide drugs/treatments/medical facts (like the Vitamin D deficiency of the general population) that are cheap and highly effective in stopping people from getting the ‘illnesses’ which are ‘treated’ by patented expensive medicines and surgery, like the common cancers, heart ‘disease’, and metabolic syndrome/early onset type 2 diabetes.

    Summer is coming in the Northern Hemisphere. The covid death rate will drop in the summer (just like last year) as there are less severely vitamin D deficient people, in the summer, than there are in the winter. In Canada, for example Statistic Canada found, 40% of the Canadian population is severely vitamin D deficient in the winter and only 25% in the summer.

    The covid death rate in the US has been re-estimated by the CDC and is now less than 1 percent from those who are less than 69 years old.

    This is still too high, because the US is not treating covid with Invermectin and because a higher percentage of the US population is Vit D deficient than India.

    The covid death rate in India is 0.13 %. 162,000 deaths/12 million cases = 0.13%
    India and Bangladesh have defeated/is defeating covid using invermectin. And less people in India and Bangladesh are less Vitamin D deficient than most Western countries because of latitude and living conditions.

    CDC Data Shows High Virus Survival Rate: 99%-Plus for Ages 69 and Younger, 94.6% for Older

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/25/cdc-data-shows-high-virus-survival-rate-99-plus-for-ages-69-and-younger-94-6-for-older/

    By the end of 2020, Uttar Pradesh — which distributed free ivermectin for home care — had the second-lowest fatality rate in India at 0.26 per 100,000 residents in December. Only the state of Bihar, with 128 million residents, was lower, and it, too, recommends ivermectin.

    But Uttar Pradesh did more than treat 300,000 mild cases at home through 2020; it also opted to use ivermectin to prevent infection. It seems a young health officer’s COVID response teams had taken the drug and remained well – something prophylaxis studies support. U.P. then had contacts of COVID patients take it, with similar success. “Recognizing the sense of urgency,” Amit Mohan Prasad, a U.P. health official, wrote in a Dec. 30 article, “we decided to go ahead.”

    “The economy is flying,” Dr. Tarek Alam, who led several studies on the drug’s efficacy, told me in an email. “Hospitals have empty COVID beds and the initial demand for ICU has come down.” Indeed, Bangladesh – the world’s most densely populated country — has an even lower fatality rate than India, ranking 126th globally.

    https://trialsitenews.com/an-unlikely-nation-is-kicking-this-pandemic-guess-which-then-why/

    Canadians: Statistics Canada

    Highlights
    • Just over two-thirds of Canadians (68%) had blood concentrations of vitamin D over 50 nmol/L (above 20 ng/ml)—a level that is sufficient for healthy bones for most people. About 32% of Canadians were below the cut-off.
    • Children aged 3 to 5 had the highest rates above the cut-off (89%), while the 20- to 39-year-olds had the lowest (59%).
    • A minority of Canadians (34%) took a supplement containing vitamin D, but a larger percentage of those taking supplements were above the cut-off (85%), compared with non-supplement users (59%).
    • About 40% of Canadians were below the cut-off in winter, compared with 25% in the summer.

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      Hanrahan

      Uttar Pradesh — which distributed free ivermectin for home care — had the second-lowest fatality rate in India at 0.26 per 100,000 residents in December.

      Severe side effects of the jab effect 1 in 100,000. That is four times the rate.

      OK, not apples with apples but still thought provoking.

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        William Astley

        I totally agree. It does make you think. People buy lottery tickets.

        And if you knew Vitamin D is an effective prophylactic and invermectin is an effective early treatment/prophylactic. Why keep getting the jabs? The jabs are expensive and the virus is going to evolve. Jabs cause complex human immune system responses and for some people there are going to be unacceptable to consequences, if there has a better/safer option.

        In the case of the AstraZeneca vaccine, young, healthy people, who would not likely not die from covid, are the most likely to get blood clots in their brains from the AstraZeneca vaccine.

        i.e. Healthy people not old sickly people, are the ones who are getting brain blood clots.

        Cerebral venous sinus thrombosis …. Is severe brain damage… or death.

        “The data released by the MHRA on Friday showed 22 cases of cerebral venous sinus thrombosis (CVST) which is a type of blood clot in the brain.”

        https://www.bbc.com/news/health-56620646

        Covid-19: Seven UK blood clot deaths after AstraZeneca vaccine

        “Seven people have died from unusual blood clots after getting the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine in the UK, the medicines regulator has confirmed to the BBC.”

        “In total, 30 people out of 18 million vaccinated by 24 March had these clots.
        It is still not clear if they are just a coincidence or a genuine side effect of the vaccine.”

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