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Who’s stealing America?

“Damning”

This documentary may be just the thing for reaching the wide-eyed audience that thinks that CNN or the BBC are giving them the whole truth…

And we do need to reach those people. Help defeat the iron curtain. Watch and share.

The Epoch Times also did an excellent documentary exposing the origins of the CCP Virus which we discussed in April.

h/t Kat H

 

 

9.3 out of 10 based on 75 ratings

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    It is to be hoped that, either by legal means through the various cases which can reach SCOTUS, or by means of President Trump’s Executive Order which can commence rooting out the foreign (and domestic) attacks on that precious gift granted America by its far-seeing Founding Fathers; we just might see an end to the downright theft perpetrated by those who back, manipulate and help support the gaga wreck which is Joe Biden.

    https://mikecunningham.wordpress.com/2020/12/07/the-angry-silence/

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      Cargill

      […] that precious gift granted America by its far-seeing Founding Fathers

      Well, if it’s considered so precious, why do Republicans (in just about every place they have power) have worked for 50 years to make voting harder? The Supreme Court has also made rulings that made voting harder, despite the pandemic.

      The answer of course: the more people vote, the less likely Republicans will win – so they suppress like their life depends on it.

      Stand by: Republicans will use the excuse of the (unproven) fraud on 3 November to crack down even further on voting in the future.

      I think Biden won largely because people were sick of Trump, but also because Biden took much more “advantage” of the pandemic – and got many more people motivated to vote by mail.

      Donald Trump made a fatal error in attacking mail voting – in my view.

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        Serp

        “Donald Trump made a fatal error in attacking mail voting”.

        You disagree that mail voting was the principal vehicle for manifold fraudulent opportunism and that its disproportionate presence in the swing states tends to confirm rather than deny the operation of such mischief?

        In Trump’s shoes what would you have done?

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        Lucky

        On the other hand the Dems want to make, correction – have made – voting so easy that being a citizen, alive, a resident where claimed, of legal age, and so on are not impediments. So easy that one person can do it many times in the same election. Voting is now so easy that machines can do it for you, update – have done it for you.

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    Is told in Germany, Mitch McConnell, U.S. Senate Majority Leader, accepted Bidens victory and congratulates President-Elect Biden.

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      wokebuster

      He’ll soon be a Senate minority leader.

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      Cargill

      Mitch McConnell also said – importantly – that he does not want senators to force a vote challenging any of the certified electoral votes on 6 Jan.

      He doesn’t want to force the Senate to have to vote on it – there is no upside from his point of view. A senate majority is more critical to him than supporting Trump’s unlikely campaign.

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    John R Smith

    Starting to watch.
    Thanks for posting it, but don’t know if I can take it.
    The opposite world realties situation is becoming acute.
    We are drowning in a cesspool of obvious propaganda (and mean I from the MSM and the left) I’d be laughing if I weren’t crying.
    Don’t get me wrong, I have confidence in my own objectivity and clarity (and yours).
    But I’m just hoping to survive long enough to see how it turns out.
    Anything more is probably expecting too much.
    That Bill Gates guy is just a sweetheart.

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      OriginalSteve

      Aint he just?

      Times like this, I find my faith in Jesus is helpful. I keep reminding myself that God ultimately is Sovereign over all…..

      “I lift up my eyes to the mountains—
      where does my help come from?
      “2 My help comes from the Lord,
      the Maker of heaven and earth.

      “3 He will not let your foot slip—
      he who watches over you will not slumber;
      ( Psalm 121:1-3)

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        PeterS

        If you understand the Scriptures, and I suspect you do, you know the world is going to get much worse before it finally gets much better. That’s why I would not be surprised to see Biden become POTUS. Whoever ends up being POTUS it’s just one step in the path of events that will ultimately lead to our Lord’s return and the eventual victory of the only war that really matters; the spiritual war between good and evil.

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          Peter
          I am a Christian and remember that Scripture also tells us that nobody knows the hour of the Lords return. He will come like a thief in the night (1 Thessalonians 5:2).

          I do know there are references to mass evil in Revelation, but is that coming right now and right before a return? Who knows.

          I do know that Biden for the short time he will be there, and Harris, are part of a severe reversal of freedoms and quite possibly some terrible times, and quite frankly with all the face recognition, Bill Gates mad ideas about chipping of people etc the ability of the Left to control the population has never been higher.

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          Hi PeterS,
          I tried that on. Biden = the mess leading to Armageddon. The 7 years of tribulation were 1260 years (7 years is 1260 days a prophetic day = year) the dark ages, where whole communities of the servants of Christ in Europe were hounded from place to place. This era ended in the new world of the 1600s and the Enlightenment (essentially coinciding with the founding of America- is there any other nation founded as a place for people to serve God in freedom? The Amish be the Amish? I can’t think of one. My ancestors in the late 1600’s and 1700’s were causing issues in the North of England, where there wasn’t freedom of worship. They were fined for not going to church, etc.. except a period under Cromwell, Britain still had religious freedom issues until 1813). So we see something odd in America that means it is not among the nations where religion or non religion was and is state prescribed.

          Harris doesn’t seem to lead to the right kind of mess. Indeed there is considerable anti Russian verbiage, but we can’t be sure as it is only ever applied to Trump or as cover for hiding Biden malfeasance. As Biden’s not all there and it’s from day one Harris leading an Obama redux. Why should they gather to war over (and at) a place with a Hebrew name if all from the UN (&WHO) down are in American led agreement that all places with Hebrew names are to be oppressed as per President Obama’s recipe? Why should there be a *controversy* of Zion if the entire world agrees that Zion should be oppressed? I can’t see the Arabs emerging as allied of Israel going forward with defending Israel. If it looks like all power is with a super coalition favourable to Iran, they’d cave. I do see Biden – Harris as an option if America is to be all-the-one image of Nebuchadnezzar – but if Harris and her team of anti-Russians prevents the West leg of Roman EU joining the East ‘leg’ of Russia / Eastern Europe the inheritor of the Byzantine ‘leg’, then it doesn’t fit either.. There has been consistent Europhile direction out of the transition so far, back to NATO back into Paris Accord etc. Likely they would pressure Britain back into Europe and be willing to give the American head to the EU to wash. So if the Arabs are leading some group called merchants against a coalition to the far North of Israel allied with Iran that looks like the image of Nebuchadnezzar – who are these merchants with the Arabs that create the controversy of Zion that brings all nations to battle? Whereas the distress of nations with perplexity that Christ describe could be met *almost solely* by Trump winning.. imagine it! Worse than the shell shock of 1967 when Jews took Jerusalem and their ancestral high lands that nobody wanted them to have, that has led to a 70 long year search for elusive ‘Middle East peace’- only to find that Israel isn’t the only cause of lack of peace in the Middle East, as they are fighting, as is being demonstrated in Syria, Yemen and Libya.. Harris has said already they are going back into Syria.. At the ‘time of the end’ the king of the South shall push at the king of the North (Daniel 11). So shall America be part of the South or the North? .. if in Syria allied to the EU and Iran they are the North.. If they are with the Arabs they are the South. Or indeed under a Harris Admin the lot could fall apart..and America be nowhere and China’s Xi ruling the world. That just doesn’t quite fit. I have been struggling to fit China’s CCP into the green reset – they mouth words but they build coal fired power stations- and they would have no will at all to give any power to the EU.. not sure when people bought by China’s CCP realise the money wasn’t power at all but a chain if bondage?

          Then again we see in a glass darkly and nothing is shown until it exists… The spiritual aspect of the last war turns out to be given in some detail in all the prophets and and that detail boils down to a severe rejection of God giving the Holy Land to the Jews.. the war of Revelation a book of sign clearly being in a physical place with a Hebrew name between all Nations. Joel 3 gives detail.

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      Fuel Filter

      John, here’s a far better vid to check out:

      I’ve been subscribed to this guy for ~3 years. Very interesting dude. Think he’s an American ex-pat (accent) and has been living in Japan for quite some time. This is his most recent take on our recent tribulations, only ‘bout 12 minutes:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i1HtyjNUiQ

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        John R Smith

        thanks Fuel,
        (if I’m the John you mean)
        Clear SIT assessment.
        The biggest Mind F for me is how they turned the rad left into Corpo/Global shills … or is it the other way round?
        The Question Authority people are now the How Dare You Question Authority people
        Of course, those of us informed enough to know what IPCC stands for, should of seen this coming.
        Even I didn’t think it would be this bad.

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        mobihci

        In that video he makes the point that they will eat themselves up after the election should biden win, and I believe that that will be the case here. I dont believe that china had a lot to do with the outcome of this election. sure, they had fingers in on it, but not the ones actually committing the fraud, and when it is all done and dusted, these activists (each of them) will feel they own biden.

        there is just no way biden can, or will do what they will ask of him. in fact it has already started. listening to biden talking to some of this new arm of the government, he basically tells them that he will not act on their demands. these people are the larger concern for the biden usa than trump or his supporters, they have a proven track record of disregarding the law to get what they want, and they will not stop until they get exactly what they want.

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          John R Smith

          I’ve been waiting the the crazy to turnaround since the HADCRU e-mails were leaked.
          Now we’re looking at Greta and John Kerry.

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    David Maddison

    For those that want to watch the same video on a non-Leftist free speech platform see:

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/VNxFJ8cIJvlX/

    We should not be promoting the Leftist censored platforms if alternate video links exist.

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        Fuel Filter

        John, I do hope you have that “follow up comments” thingy on, or at least come back to see any.

        Want to thank you for the link. I just subscribed to the Premium membership.

        From the first look, the site looks pretty awesome!

        Thanx again.

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      wes george

      David,

      I disagree. After watching this video, I wondered why Youtube – assuming the CCP has “old friends” everywhere – allows this video to remain up. Perhaps its because the influence of the CCP is less than imagined. Or maybe the American conception of free speech is stronger than you imagine. Or maybe youtube has the link buried so deep it doesn’t get many hits….

      The way to show Youtube that allowing alternative points of view to play pays is to VOTE this video a like and to subscribe to The Epoch Times channel on Youtube.

      And then, if you feel more comfortable in a safespace where your own biases will never be challenge, by all means support Bitchute as well.

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    RossP

    The Epoch Times does great work. They have done some fantastic one on one interviews under the title “American Thought Leaders” with Jan Jekielek. Jan is a fantastic interviewer, he lets his guests talk uninterrupted but makes sure the interview does not go off track.

    Recently he has interviewed Sidney Powell, Gen Flynn and the young guy behind “Stop the Steal”( sorry I have forgotten his name)

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      Fuel Filter

      General Flynn was interviewed on Epoch yesterday.

      It was unreal! This guy spoke in a stream-of-consciousness manner that seemed to wander in-and-out but was ALWAYS going somewhere very deep. And, along the way, kept making important and very significant points over and over. I was spellbound. Bluntly, he blew me away.

      No wonder the small and idealogicly driven small men and women (Hitlery, Rice, Clapper and Soetoro come to mind immediately) hated him. In truth, I think they were scared to death. And they had every right to be. He was the ultimate loose cannon and was an existential threat to not only to their agenda (Fundamentally Transformation of America…remember?) but also to them personally.

      After all, what would the vast majority of the American electorate do if they found out the true agenda of these cloaked Marxists? (Rope, trees or lampposts, some assembly required, mebbie?)

      About 42 minutes long. NOTE; this only part 1 of 2…can’t wait!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOcFsMKBSak

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      wes george

      Ross,

      The Epoch Times is the best source of online news in English about the Chinese geo-politics and business. They are very anti-communist and pro-Christian, free speech and pro-Hong Kongers too. They often break stories about China long before the mainstream media whether left or right. For instance, its was the Epoch Times where I first heard about the Wuhan Virus and its potential to go pandemic.

      I read a lot of Chinese news sources. Most tow the CCP party line or have real news but its sprinkled in with communist propaganda against whatever they are targeting this week. Still very informative reading because Chinese propaganda tends to reveal Chinese government concerns and weakness. It’s also can be very humorous because it’s so blatantly transparent.

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        Don’t you suspect the the CCP has its influence in the ET? ET is spreading divisive stories about the US not just attacking China.

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          wes george

          No, I don’t because I have followed Epoch Times for a long time. They hate the CCP. Many of their writers and staff have been persecuted by the CCP. Many can never return to China. The Epoch Times’ Hong Kong printing presses were set on fire by CCP goons last December for truthful reporting on the Hong Konger’s freedom movement. They love the Trump administration as well. That explains their outrage. Also, the Dominion CCP story is tailor made for the Epoch Time, whether it is true or not, it’s the biggest scoop they have ever had.

          That said, I do think the over-the-top reporting on the stolen election is a double edge sword. I don’t mind the payback aspect of it for 4-years of Democratic “resistance” and Russian conspiracy theory against Trump. Fair enough. Moreover, if true, justice must be doled out in due course…

          Winston Churchill once told his biographer: Never make life or death decisions when you don’t have to do so.

          Jo Nova has written that if power is peacefully transferred to Biden in January that’s the end of American democracy. She’s wrong.

          American democracy is more robust than she imagines. What is far more important at this moment is to ensure the traditional and constitutional American democratic due process is not disrupted further by escalating whatever crimes happened in November into the worst constitutional crisis since the Civil War.

          This is all the more especially true if – as Jo Nova clearly believes – the Chinese and corrupt American forces, like Antifa, are responsible for this, we must not allow them to gaslight us into a civil war. Trump cannot be saved. Yet, not only can Chinese ambitions can be contained but constitutional continuity can be preserved.

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            They hate the CCP

            is hardly a reason to trust them on American election coverage.

            So the founders hate the CCP for well documented reasons, and you think that this means that the CCP could not have their own diaspora operatives working for them? Why?

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    PeterS

    Who is “stealing” America? Possibly the same one who is “stealing” Australia and many other countries; China. It’s not so much “stealing” but infiltrating and influencing by various means the affairs of other nations by stealth. I doubt they are really interested in taking over the US or any other Western nation this early in their game plan. There focus is to encourage by whatever means the trigger the fall of the West so they can pick up the pieces without fighting a war. It’s a tactic well known and used in the past within China to overthrow a dynasty. Their current military expansion is simply to demonstrate to the world they will defend themselves if anyone dares to attack them.

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      wes george

      PeterS,

      That’s why the Americans cannot publicly over react to the situation and declare the election rigged by a hostile power and let Trump refuse a peaceful transfer of power to Biden.

      This video makes the Chinese look foolish. Di Dongsheng will be transferred to Mongolia to manage a yurt factory after donating a kidney to the party, when Xi hears about this video.

      Maybe the CCP is incompetent. Or maybe not. Maybe they want Trump to know who took his butt down. Maybe they want Trump to throw the US into utter chaos by refusing to step down.

      China, very clever! Trump is in check mate. They own all his bases. But now America knows about China and how it rolls. America is a slow giant. Like the Japanese fooled the Americans with Pearl Harbor, the CCP makes a big mistake if it thinks the Dominion gamble was worth it. Trump will cede power to Biden peacefully. Things will go very quiet.

      Some might imagine American democracy is finished because there was no big bloody battle over this, just the same as it ever was on the surface. But behind the scenes, the wheels are turning. The rules have changed now.

      Hope the CCP enjoys a good laugh in 2020, the decade is young.

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    OldOzzie

    Fang Bang not only Fartswell – What one does for one’s country

    Rita Panahi
    @RitaPanahi

    She must really love the Chinese Communist party. Like really.

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    Richard C (NZ)

    >”Who’s stealing America?”

    James Woods kicked off the memes.

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    OldOzzie

    “HISTORIC AND UNPARALLELED WIN FOR TRUMP”

    By Howell Woltz

    Confused? You should be!

    The entire CCP-controlled U.S. press and Tech Oligarchy have America’s greatest president (ever) buried under a big rock that says “R.I.P.”

    Just remember one thing—they’ve been trying to bury this cat since the day he was elected—but having 9 lives, he just keeps clawing back out.

    By virtue of this lawlessness, there are two slates of electors in Nevada, Michigan, Wisconsin, Georgia, Pennsylvania, and we just heard New Mexico has joined them (now verified).

    This means there is an unlawful slate of Biden Electors sent by those States’ Governors with no more authority under the Constitution than Kermit the Frog—and a lawful slate of Trump Electors sent by the legislatures, which have that sole authority.

    At best, that means Trump won by a landslide—but that would require a functioning Supreme Court, which America does not have at present, to acknowledge the law and Constitution and simply follow it.

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      PeterS

      So if they start running out of handcuffs, we should send some over.

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      OrignialSteve

      So how I think things may play out are a few options :

      (1) Trump quietly disappears and leaves America go under as he was a NWO stooge all along. Unlikely.

      (2) He plays for time with endless pointless law suits, and does (1) above. Unlikely.

      (3) He gives everyone every opportunity to do the right thing, and drops the hammewr on the Dems and all the bad actors in this mess. Possible.

      (4) How gives China a blood nose in military conflcit with forst strike if its demeed China has in effect waged war on the USA via CCP virus, “shanghai Joe” and his mates, wrecking of the election, decimation of the US economy via CCP virus. Possible. May also include (3) above.

      It will be intersting to see which way it goes.

      The DNI report on the 18th may be the trigger to start the round up.

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      RossP

      But to add to the non functioning SC there is the traitorous rat McConnell saying he will ignore the contested votes.

      Maybe Howell Woltz should write to John Roberts and Mitch McConnell and educate them on the Constitution.

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      Cargill

      This means there is an unlawful slate of Biden Electors sent by those States’ Governors with no more authority under the Constitution than Kermit the Frog—and a lawful slate of Trump Electors sent by the legislatures, which have that sole authority.

      This is not correct. Each state legislature has passed laws that govern the manner in which elections are held – and specifically the election of the president.

      All but two states give their Electoral College votes to the person/party that wins the state-wide popular vote (Maine and Nebraska divide it into districts).

      Each state legislation also outlines how certification procedures are to be done – whether by the governor, secretary of state, or another election official.

      What is important here:

      (1) if a state certifies and submits its EC voters by the safe harbor date (and 49 did), those slates are considered conclusive and cannot be objected to in Congress.

      That’s what conclusive means. If another slate of electors is created by an unhappy party, but they do not make safe harbor certification, then they do not have standing.

      (2) The “legislatures” make the laws governing the manner in which EC votes are to be derived, but the governor has veto rights over that. In that sense the governor is considered part of the “legislature”.

      (3) Electoral Law says each state has to use the method in place on 3 November … no “alternative electors” will have standing just because they didn’t like the will of the voters, or believe there is fraud.

      (4) If there were fraud, there really has been plenty of time (and 60+ law suits) to investigate and prove there was. That is what the safe harbor date is for … so that unreso0lved issues don’t make it to the Electoral College (14 Dec) or Congress (6 Jan).

      The “alternative electors” created by Republicans in the swing states do not have standing, and won’t prevail in Congress on 6 January – particularly as the Democrats have a majority in the House.

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        Kneel

        Oh, you missed some interesting possibilities.

        If one house member and one senate member challenge a states EC vote, house and senate go away and separately debate the matter – if they agree, that’s it, but if they disagree, the Vice President decides. So what if senate says “repubs!” and house says “Dems!”? Pence decides. He can do three things: 1) dem 2) repub 3) toss both. If he tosses enough EC votes, no-one reaches 270, so contingent election, Trump likely wins.
        So it may well hinge on what Pence does.

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    PeterS

    Perhaps it’s Google, not China.
    If Google wants to dance

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    John

    Terrorism is an attempt to take power by illegal means. On these grounds Trump could make an Executive Order declaring the election to be suspected of being domestic terrorism.

    He might even consider jailing the FBI director as being suspected of being complicit because the FBI has failed to take action. Directing the FBI to then investigate, with the penalty for negligence being jail, might spur some action out of the organization. It needs to be reminded that it did a big investigation into a single individual’s anonymous allegations about Trump colluding with Russia.

    Jailing a few other people under Homeland Security laws probably wouldn’t be out of the question either, perhaps the heads of CNN, NBC and CBS, and perhaps a few state governors. Jailing them under HS laws means that they could be held indefinitely without charge.

    Yes, there would be a backlash, but that might be a small price to pay.

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      PeterS

      That option has been discussed before. Trump would need to use the Insurrection Act to call in the military. He might use it if he fails to convince the courts to reject the election, or the Congress does not overturn the electoral college votes on Jan 6. Time will tell what Trump is truly made of when he runs out of all the other options.

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        John

        Surely it would come under Homeland Security acts, just like extraordinary powers assumed when terrorist acts have occurred on US soil.

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          PeterS

          The Insurrection Act gives him powers to use the military to control the masses. I don’t think Homeland Security acts give him that sort of power. He would still have to use the civil law enforcement agencies and others like them to control the masses, and only use the military to attack the terrorists themselves wherever they are.

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        Cargill

        Time will tell what Trump is truly made of when he runs out of all the other options.

        No-one really knows what will happen, but I expect Congress will confirm Joe Biden pretty comfortably on 6 Jan (although there might be some arm-waving theatre as part of it).

        Then Donald Trump will book extra tee times down at Palm Beach Golf Club, pardon everybody he knows – maybe even himself – and leave quietly.

        I don’t think he has the stomach or energy to be a proper dictator.

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      wes george

      John,

      I have to ask: Are you a Yank or have you ever been to America and not just LA to go to Disneyland? Because, man, if you knew the country you would NOT wish a non-transfer of Executive Branch power in January upon your worst enemy. Hell, you wouldn’t wish it on us here in Australia either. That’s just the stupid in you talkin’.

      You think open civil war is the only way to deal with this problem? You think getting thousands of people killed before the end of February with dozens of cities burning is worth it, huh? Ever think about what the geo-strategic implications of the American chain-of-command breaking down into total chaos would be for the world? I’ll bet the Chinese Communist Party has a whole set of scenarios designed to capitalize on just such a crisis should their Dominion scheme prove to be enough to tip the USA over into total chaos.

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        Lucky

        wes george suggests that China will win, both if Americans allow the fraud which is theirs via Dominion, and if they don’t.

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    George McFly......I'm your density

    Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein won a Pulitzer Prize for doing a report like this.

    This election scandal was 1000 times bigger than Watergate.

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    OldOzzie

    Looks Like Sleepy Joe Only Had 52K Live Stream Viewers for His Boring Speech

    Midstream, his viewers only appeared to add up to a mere 52,000. When Trump gives a rally, his live stream numbers are in the half a million range on one channel (Right Side Broadcasting). When you add up all the channels together, Biden appears to have only a pittance of viewers. This is the guy we are to believe got 82 million Americans to vote for him—more than Barack Obama, The Lightbringer himself. Really? With as many supporters as we are told voted for this man, is it possible that hardly any of them wanted to see this “victory” speech.

    This looks like it had all the enthusiasm of a funeral with COVID attendance restrictions.

    But the numbers I would count on that show enthusiasm are the live stream numbers. Those are people who took time out of their day to watch something at a certain time because it mattered to them. And Joe Biden’s speeches only matter to about 52,000 people. Does that square with a sweeping election victory bigger than anyone has ever seen before?

    Malarkey.

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    OldOzzie

    For all the talk of “unity,” here’s how Joe Biden behaves.

    Joe Biden has an Instagram account for his dogs, and they just posted pictures of them using the President as chew toy. Unity and Healing!

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      David Maddison

      Leftists are always filled with hate and rage. More so when they have dementia like Biden because the more primitive emotions come out as there is less behavioural inhibition. There are many examples of Biden displaying inappropriate anger and aggression.

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    sophocles

    Well well well.

    I’ve just queried DDG for an answer to: Georgia USA secretary of state

    I didn’t want to “disrespect Raffensperger” by mis-spelling his name. Instead, you’ve got my guess.

    Instead, I received from DDG:

    Georgia
    [Search domain sos.ga.gov] https://sos.ga.gov
    We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us.

    Oops. Is that most “famous” of Georgians not there?
    I was going to go on with trying to find the source of the rumour I had read that he was plotting to attack the vote/election on 9th of Jan 2020 for the State of Georgia’s Senate representatives in the same way as the Presidential one was.

    Some people never seem to learn …

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    OldOzzie

    Pentagon imposed emergency shutdown of computer network handling classified material

    The system, known as the Secret Internet Protocol Router Network, handles classified information, up to the secret level.

    and

    Questions arise over whether Trump should employ 2018 order against foreign election influence

    The 2018 executive order addresses a specter similar to the revelation that Russian hackers penetrated the DHS.

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      RossP

      Ozzie

      There is this headline on Epoch Times says Kayleigh M said in a press conference the WH is not aware of a report concerning the 2018 EO.
      I hope it just means KM is deliberately being kept out of the loop or she is keeping herself out of the loop.

      https://www.theepochtimes.com/white-house-not-aware-of-any-report-stemming-from-2018-executive-order-mcenany_3619819.html

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      Greg Cavanagh

      Someone on Gateway Pundit suggested that there could be a complete blackout for a week or more.

      Google servers have shut down twice in two days, all of gmail was compromised, Facebook server was shut down for an hour. And now the Pentagon servers were shutdown.

      Someone is either hitting the panic button, or simply doing as much damage as possible trying to get a response (aka: war).

      So if the internet goes dark for a week or more, Trump and his team could round up all the dissidence quietly and without panic.

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        Who to believe Gateway pundit, who has been spot on with so many predications, or the newspaper run by a dissident diaspora heavily infiltrated by spies from the government they are fighting?

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    David Maddison

    This is probably the darkest period in American history, much more so than any war. At least people knew what was going on during a war. This is a deliberate attempt by the Left as defined by the Billionaire Socialists and their army of useful idiots to bring down the United States.

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    OldOzzie

    McLaughlin Poll: Majority See Vote Fraud as National Problem

    There is one stunning result in the entire poll: Americans believe there was a serious vote fraud problem in the last election.

    It is concerning that in this poll where a majority of voted for Biden, they still can’t say it was an honest election.

    Trump voters say that there was fraud 80% to 10%. But 16% of Biden voters said that there was fraud as well.

    Republicans said that there was fraud 75% to 15%, but 41% of Independents agreed, as did 22% among Democrats.

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      John F. Hultquist

      OldOzzie,

      The leading Democrats have spent 4 years on the theme that the 2016 election was stolen and Trump was an illegitimate president. At last count, Hillary has 97 reasons (okay, I just plucked that number), why she was cheated out of being POTUS. This election shows that the Democrats got votes from about 81 million.
      For the past 6 weeks DJT and many Republicans have been busy explaining their point of view on the 2020 mis-managed voting. There were 74 million voters for Trump.
      We should not be surprised that there is a high percentage of total voters (almost 160 M cast) that think there is a problem.

      The poll cited doesn’t get at this entire problem because the question was worded to address just the 2020 election. They should have gone with both. Too bad.

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    Analitik

    Here’s a case of attacking the messenger rather than the message

    Smartmatic have sent legal notices to Fox News, One America News, and Newsmax saying they “helped spread false and defamatory claims that are not supported by real evidence and could easily have been debunked with basic research” and are asking for full retractions on their reports.

    They have NOT launched libel proceedings towards the accusers (Guiliani, Powell etc), themselves which all smacks of further cover-up. What a farce this election continues to be.

    Voting technology company sends legal notices to Fox News and other right-wing media outlets over ‘disinformation campaign’

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      Lance

      IF Smartmatic were to file a legal action, that would open up “Discovery” for the defendants and then there is no limit to the digging for evidence that would take place.

      This is pure propaganda by SmartMatic.

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        Analitik

        That’s exactly my point – the lack of countersuits against the accusers shows how they are trying to avoid any further scrutiny into the actual claims being made against their systems. Actual investigations by neutral parties is the very last thing they want.

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      bobn

      Yes, its a lame attempt to scare the few media outlets that are speaking up. It means nothing. They need to sue if they are serious and that allows legal evidence discovery and a court case. The Vote fraud company wont risk that so its all a bluff. They know investigators are closing in on their frauds.

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    Ian

    I wonder why so many commoners here are still convinced Trump will prevail when Mitch McConnell has, at last, acknowledged Biden as President-Elect? Perhaps they know something he doesn’t.

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      OrignialSteve

      Maybe he is a RINO…..or desperate…maybe both?

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        OldOzzie

        I’ll take RINO – excellent summation of RINO Mitch McConnell

        Senate Leader Mitch McConnell Warns Republican Senators Not To Challenge 2020 Election Results

        In the final analysis it all comes down to a very familiar place for long-term CTH red-pilled readers. The UniParty has two wings, but it is still one bird. McConnell is in control of the Senate and he has earnestly worked against the interests of President Trump for the past four years. CTH has tried to point this issue out since 2011, now we see more people starting to wake up and pay attention.

        DC has one interest, the maintenance of their system. It is a simple yet frustrating reality to admit that only one party currently exists within Washington DC; however, that is the unfortunate reality. The processes within DC are created to protect themselves against us, the people. {2018 – GO DEEP}

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          OldOzzie

          The following from the above post could describe Australia – Federal and State

          McConnell must preserve the trough – Corporations (special interest group) write the legislation. Lobbyists take the law and go find politician(s) to support it. Politicians get support from their peers using tenure and status etc. Eventually, if things go according to norm, the legislation gets a vote.

          Within every step of the process there are expense account lunches, dinners, trips, venue tickets and a host of other customary financial way-points to generate/leverage a successful outcome. The amount of money spent is proportional to the benefit derived from the outcome.

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      PeterS

      Either Trump is just a sore looser and he’s bluffing and end up throwing in the towel, or he’s getting ready to pounce with evidence to prove the case the election result is fake, and if necessary use the Insurrection Act et al to force the issue. If he does have the proof then he might still not go through that final option and decide it’s not worth the angst and instead throw in the towel anyway. Clearly he knows there’s a lot at stake if he does go down that road of calling in the military. We shall see soon enough. He has until Jan 20 to prove things and have the election overturned or go ahead with the final option. Otherwise, he ceases to be POTUS at noon on that day if Biden is the one approved by Congress on Jan 6 to be inaugurated on Jan 20.

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        Don’t bother. He’s a sore loser.

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          Independent_George

          Soon you’ll be who you’ve always been, except with another subject you’re wrong on: A virtue signalling useful idiot – who is wrong again.

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            Ian

            Nowhere near as wrong as those Conservatives stating Trump would win in a landslide. Pity they didn’t realise the land was going to slide over Trump rather than vice versa.

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              OriginalSteve

              Dream on. Every american friend i have preficted a landlide.

              Easy for the Left to crow about a “victory” which on the basis of proof of signed affidavits and testimony of mathematical proof of the use of rigged voting machines, and the evidence the cowardly/leftist controlled courts refuse to hear , appears to be a fra*d of gargantuan propotions.

              People wont accept the outcome if trump does nothing……the word is out now.

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      Analitik

      One of Trump’s major hurdles in getting elected in the first place, passing legislation and getting re-elected has been opposition from establishment Republicans since he is an outsider.

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        Greg Cavanagh

        True. Trump quickly won more enthusiasm among country and conservatives over the established GOP. They put him up as leader because he outstripped them rather dramatically, but they never dreamed he would actually win.

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      bobn

      Mcconnell was just being polite and following protocal. it means nothing. He will disavow biden in a flash if the legal situation allows it.

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    Ian

    My sincere apologies. I meant commenters not commoners that really was a miscorrection by Word

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      Serp

      As I keep harping on about, it’s likely to be an artefact of non english speaking software engineers mismanaging syntax algorithms. As Chomsky’s famous example had it “flying planes can be dangerous” is a sentence seemingly well formed but from which it is not possible to parse out the textual ambiguity. We’re stuck with a language highly resistant to systematization that continues inexorably increasing its reach through the world.

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    OldOzzie

    Michigan legislature committees subpoena election evidence from Detroit and nearby suburb

    “Election integrity should not be a partisan issue, this information needs to be preserved,” State Senator Ruth Johnson said

    Concerned about possible election evidence being destroyed, members of a joint session of the Michigan Legislature’s House and Senate oversight committees on Tuesday voted to issue subpoenas to Detroit and the nearby suburb of Livonia demanding they surrender hard drives, emails, absentee voter counting board laptops and other election-related materials.

    One Senate Democrat reportedly joined his Republican colleagues in supporting the subpoenas.

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    William Astley

    This film provides overwhelming evidence of a complete collapse of the US system, the courts, the US supreme court, the FBI, and so on…

    …the entire US system ignored/hide/facilitate an obvious based on the evidence, massive, inept fixing of the 2020 US election by the Dems. That included acts of violence and the involvement of the FBI.

    I am going to pass this film on. The visual are good. The film is high quality.

    The Dems with a little help from the Rep, by their actions, in the last 12 years, have completely and irrevocably, destroyed the US government system…. In addition to fixing the 2020 US election.

    The US ‘supreme’ court has supremely and completely failed; because of political terror/force and corruption. If a supreme court judge had ruled for Trump, the Dems would have charged the judges with treason and/or impeached.

    The US Milt has the power to fire governments for corruption however that is politically difficult. Fortunately, or Unfortunately, depending whether you still see this as a political game or as part of a Chinese plot.

    Based on high confidence analysis/evidence, this summer, the US Milt unequivocally determined: China designed and released covid. Covid is a high tech bio package that requires two state of the art software packages and a super computer to design. Covid was not and could not be designed in a wet lab. Covid was designed to be deadly. And it was released as part of plan. The US Milt bought Chinese blood samples and got it out of China for analysis in Oct.

    and in Oct of this year, the US Milt determined the Chinese used the same advanced biological technology to modify individual US citizens as part a Chinese plot.

    The second activity; The use of an advance biological agent and as part of very high/level security plot to control/alter people in the government, triggered the US Plan to replace the US civilian gov.

    Which makes sense as it looked as if we were going to see a version of Orwell’s 1984 with the war the goes on forever being the Climate emergency. And the reason the Chinese felt confident to do evil things was the complete failure of the civil gov except for Trump of course who tried and tried and tried, to make the system work

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      Cargill

      The Dems with a little help from the Rep, by their actions, in the last 12 years, have completely and irrevocably, destroyed the US government system…. In addition to fixing the 2020 US election.

      The Democrats have had control of the system for just four years of the last forty years (President, Senate, and House). Republicans have had control of the Senate for 20 of the last 26 years, including the last six.

      Plus they have had a working majority of the Supreme Court for many years – and now a “super-majority”.

      Republicans have also stalled government in the Senate for years.

      Republicans have control of the legislatures and many governorships in key states, and control of many state supreme courts.

      Swing states were (mostly) certified by Republican administrations. In fact all were.

      I therefore think it’s hard to sustain your argument, that the Democratic Party has wrecked things.

      As someone famous once said, “There are three branches of the US Government – Money, TV, and Bullsh*t”.

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      wes george

      William,

      This film provides overwhelming evidence of a complete collapse of the US…

      No, it does not! It exposes a danger and makes chilling accusations, presented in the darkest possible context along with alarming circumstantial evidence, as well presents some hard evidence that we have no way of checking. None of the evidence overwhelmingly proves their thesis.

      I trust the Epoch Times to get their stories right, but extraordinary claims must be backed by extraordinary evidence.

      The evidence presented, which we cannot check, is of three types: The first is eye-witness accusations, some of which are too vague, none suggest a global conspiracy, but rather allude to local problems on the ground that could well be isolated events, but when presented together suggest they are related.

      For instance, the pregnant lady who felt threatened as a poll watcher. That’s bodes ill, makes good theatre, but doesn’t even qualify as evidence of anything. Or the postal worker who the FBI under interrogation got to sign a “retraction” that he later retracted. It’s impossible for us to know what the real stories are here. Is the doco implying the FBI and the post office has been compromised by the CCP? Is every heavy handed government jerk part of a conspiracy or is it more likely that the boss was pissed off and the Feds just roll like that?

      In another incident poll watchers and the media were sent home for the evening then poll workers came back and continued working. It comes down to he said, she said. The Washington Post claims the poll workers deny telling anyone to leave and that the media and poll watchers left on their own, because they mistakenly thought vote counting was over for the evening. I trust the Washington Post very little; the poll workers could be lying. This incident illustrates how perfectly innocent explanations are parsimonious in nature when compared to the convolution necessary to compile a seamless conspiracy theory. Once you start looking for conspiracy, every correlation becomes causation to the less than sceptical mind. Anyway, how is this even related to the grand narrative that a hostile nation fixed the election? It’s a weird little incident in one room unconnected to China or Dominion machines.

      The second kind of evidence the doco shows is hard. For instance, the alarming jump in votes for Biden in very short periods of time and the statistical evidence which shows strange voting ratio patterns. Nevertheless, without deep knowledge it is difficult to know what this evidence means other than to call for a complete forensic investigation by a bipartisan group of experts. It certainly is NOT justification for Trump to declare martial law.

      We see this kind of possible misinterpretation of data all the time in climate science and it does not justify Agenda 21, so what is different here?

      The third kind of evidence is why I value the Epoch Times. They have natural insight into Chinese thinking. For instance, poor Di Dongsheng, the braggart. Man, he’s in trouble! Talk about spilling the beans. Still, it’s nowhere near as bad as it looks to the layperson. This is how Chinese diplomats think and talk and everyone worth their salt in the State Department knows it. It is not evidence of much more than Chinese nationalist swagger, although it does show how insidious the cultural threat has become in our globalist economy.

      The most shocking information revealed is that a CCP hybrid business owns at least part of a bloody voting machine company whose machines are used in 28 state! Say What???? Heads must roll for this! Congress needs to investigate and if a smoking gun is found, then we may have the grounds to declare an act of war has indeed occurred.

      The US Milt has the power to fire governments for corruption…

      No, the USA military does not have the power to “fire” governments for corruption!

      In the climate alarmism people are supplied information to justify martial law to save the Planet. Now you have fallen for the same genre of information presentation to conclude that the USA requires martial law to root out CCP corruption.

      Maybe this doco’s thesis, or at least part of it, is not spot on. But just like the issue of Climate Change the question of what to do about it hinges on cost effectiveness.

      Me, I am for neither spending trillions to “save” the planet from climate change or declaring martial law and burning the US down to save it from Chinese chicanery.

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    OrignialSteve

    Comment for AD ( Mod ) from your previous question – yes likely fat fingers on my behalf, I wouldnt have thought email/username is case sensetive, although if the back end to this platform is linux/unix, it may well be the case. Case sensetivity is probably a headache you dont need.

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    Lance

    It may well become a contingent election.

    Here’s how that might play out

    https://nationalfile.com/contingent-election-pence-gop-senate-can-invalidate-democrat-presidential-electors-in-az-ga-mi-ga/

    This contest is not yet ended, not by any means.

    The only date that matters is 20 Jan 2021.

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      PeterS

      Interesting. It’s possible that Trump will use the Insurrections Act and put in place martial law even if he does end up being POTUS after Jab 20. There are two reasons for that. One, the left go nuts and be so violent in so many cities there is no other way to quell that insurrection. Two, he does have proof that the election was fraudulently tampered with by foreign power using locals to carry out the dirty work. That alone would be enough for him to trigger the Insurrection Act simply to arrest all those involved and put them on military conducted trials. Let’s see if either or both are what Trump has in mind.

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        Dennis

        In my opinion based on observing world affairs with interest since at least the 1990s when I first became aware of the late 1800s socialist Fabians of the UK organisation agenda, alerted to it by an ABC Radio Nation series: New World Order, the modern times infiltration of the United Nations by leftists who plotted to use it for NWO purposes shortly after it was established following WW2, for very good reasons and purposes, now in 2020 there is a crisis point, President Trump and advisors, patriots, know that “the swamp” must be drained if a democratic free world is going to survive.

        Natural climate and weather based hoax, creatively accounted for warming trend, emissions reduction featuring Carbon Dioxide (CO2), so called renewables, emissions trading schemes, carbon taxes, etc., are all cleverly crafted to fool the people, to make profits for crony capitalists who invest in NWO globalism, UN Treaties and Agreements used to get around member nation’s constitutional laws, and all the other manipulations of society, social engineering, all contribute to the enormous propaganda machine. Even influencing media companies via shareholdings and publicly owned media via employees who are carefully chosen fellow travellers.

        Intelligent people can see through the propaganda, but no matter how many times counter arguments are presented the NWO machine rolls on, and over the top of opposition.

        Let’s hope that the Trump Team of Patriots prevails.

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          OriginalSteve

          I can see the martial law as being the only real option, with authorized use of lethal force. Why?
          Simply because you need to completely crush the communist insurgency in America tight now. If that means shoot-on-sight to put down an armed rebellion against a legally elected administration then thats what it takes.

          The hard Left appear to have demonstrated complete lack of respect for life or property.

          Peace in our times?…
          Nope…rule of law and force as needed to preserve the Republic.

          Dont forget this is a well funded, well financed and well trained paramilitary force Trump is up against. Dont use kid gloves when handling hyenas….doesnt work.

          Trump either crushed the rebellion quickly, or it eat him alive.

          Choose wisely, Mr President.

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            PeterS

            I suspect you are reading his mind appropriately. The only caveat I can think of is that he better have real evidence to prove beyond any doubt that the elections were indeed a fraud on a wide enough scale to swing it to Biden’s favour. All the evidence thus far points to such a conclusion but only he has the knowledge of the whole truth about the situation. Assuming he has the evidence and assuming he is the type of person who will fight to the end to preserve the Republic under the Constitution then should act accordingly to restore order and conduct military trials under the Insurrection Act to put as many of the traitors behind bars as possible. If he doesn’t and instead throws in the towel then he will be negligent in his duties and the Constitutional Federal Republic will be destroyed before our very eyes. Time will tell how this whole saga ends.

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            Cargill

            I can see the martial law as being the only real option, with authorized use of lethal force. Why? Simply because you need to completely crush the communist insurgency in America tight now. If that means shoot-on-sight to put down an armed rebellion against a legally elected administration then that’s what it takes.

            I really trust you’re being sarcastic … Donald Trump (mainstream party #1) has lost an election to Joe Biden (mainstream party #2) – so what? The new administration will last four years, eight if they’re very lucky. Then there will be another turnover. It’s how it goes.

            They are both the same – reliant on corporate funding, having very similar structures, entwined with the same lobbyists, journalists, businessmen, Wall Street types, and powerful bureaucrats. They’re not even hugely different in policies and programs. One is Hardish Right, and the other is Centre Right.

            The Dems are not close to socialist – let alone communist! Your belief that it is a fight to the death is merely hyperbolic … take it easy.

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              Tarquin Wombat-Carruthers

              So, in your view, not a single illegitimate vote was cast for Joe Biden? Really? What is your home planet? And is it in a galaxy we don’t yet know about?

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                Cargill

                So, in your view, not a single illegitimate vote was cast for Joe Biden?

                Huh? How did you make that leap, based on my comments?

                I do not know whether there were illegitimate votes cast for Joe Biden – but I suggest neither do you.

                The reality is, after 60+ law suits, and a lot of state recounts, nothing has been demonstrated, let alone proven, despite the millions of words written on the subject.

                I do not have a dog in this fight (as an Aussie I’m neither pro-GOP or pro-Dem) – I’m far more interested in watching closely how this drama plays out.

                I’m also quite intrigued by how angry the pro-Trump right can get over these things.

                They want the Insurrection Act, Martial Law, mass arrests, people sent to Gitmo, heads on pikes, and the destruction of the “deep state”. All over an election that won’t change a terrible lot of things for most people.

                It’s crazed cultish madness … but fun to observe and comment upon.

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                Cargill… you must understand that there are communists taking over. Communists!

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              OriginalSteve

              You amuse me…

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            Neo

            I can see the martial law as being the only real option, with authorized use of lethal force.

            So why is it that so many of the posters here, who claim to be concerned with freedom, justice and the like, are so, so, keen to bring in the Brownshirts when they dont get what they want??

            If it wasn’t so sad it would be funnier than the Blues Brothers Illinois Nazi’s. 🙂

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              Hi Neo,
              How many speak of freedom due to the sacrifices of the wars? In what way was the war time economy or society of any of the Allies free in either of the great wars for freedom? There were even internment camps…
              Food for thought…
              Little true story a guy named Verner of Copenhagen lost his mind in the terrible inhuman bombing of Nazi Germany .. again food for thought..

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          Fuel Filter

          Dennis, you have hit the nail on the head, with a sledgehammer!

          Let us not forget “Agenda 21” and it’s fore-bearers.

          Actually, the U.N. Was hijacked from the “League of Nations”, the world’s attempt to prevent another WW I (or “Great War).

          I must flog a truly great book: “American Betrayal” by Diana West.

          She has a very insightful take on how and why the U.N. was created in the first place. It’s a pretty small, but well-documented take in her book. (hint: had more than a bit of, shall we say, “persuasion” from the USSR)

          But it’s not just about that. You guys really have to buy and carefully read it. It’s long and very, very deep.

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      Sceptical Sam

      Lance,

      The article concludes:

      “Raiklin notes, however, that ‘Pelosi could try to block the Joint Hearing & kick senate out to prevent Pence from Presiding’ in a naked display of partisanship.”

      Then what?

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        Lance

        All bets are off.

        Some 74 to 80 Million people will be “rather uncooperative” until “pacified by Force” or reasoned with in meaningful terms, or the nation devolves into open strife, coast to coast and border to border.

        I have no idea what might transpire.

        Some 80% of the landmass is inhabited by the conservative groups. They control the majority of the production and delivery systems, as well as energy production and distribution.

        Give you a hint: It ain’t gonna be pretty.

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          Peter Fitzroy

          Give everyone the virus, give the treatment to your mates

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          PeterS

          That’s right, all bets are then off. Presumably there will be many Republicans thinking the following regarding Pelosi’s attempt at blocking anyone “Go ahead, make my day”. I could imagine that if that did happen she would be arrested for obstruction.

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          Fuel Filter

          Yup. I’ve commented ‘bout this in other threads.

          I’m not gonna type all that again, but go ahead and look up my CW 2 comments, the long one in particular.

          Bottom line: Red State Patriots could EASILY bring Blue cities to their knees within 48-72 hours as they begin to tear themselves apart from hunger and a major disruption of utilities.

          ‘nuff said…

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            Annie

            Will Atlas shrug?

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              Lance

              “When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion – when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing – when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors – when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don’t protect you against them, but protect them against you – when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice – you may know that your society is doomed.” ~ Ayn Rand”

              “The hardest thing to explain is the glaringly evident which everybody had decided not to see.” ~ Ayn Rand

              “We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality” ~ Ayn Rand

              “There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism – by vote. It is merely the difference between murder and suicide.” ~ Ayn Rand

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        OldOzzie

        Michigan’s Matt Sealy Explains How President Trump Has SEVERAL Paths To Victory…”Never count Donald Trump out!” [VIDEO]

        The Electoral College votes were sealed and sent by special carrier to Washington, where they will remain sealed until January 6th when the House and Senate will come into a joint session to open the votes. The media is going to make you believe that it’s all over, and Joe Biden is now officially president.

        On January 6th, Nancy Pelosi will sit down with the rest of the House members as she has no special power or authority over the hearing… Vice President Mike Pence will have all the authority as president of the Senate for that day and will accept or reject motions to decide the next steps by the assembly.

        Remember… Mike Pence is in full authority that day as written in the Constitution. The ballots will be certified today, but that means nothing.

        The votes will be opened, and at that point, one House member could, and most likely will, raise their hand to object to the Vice President on the state of elector’s votes. That objection could cover fraud or any other reason, and with the seconding of that objection, everything changes. Everything!!

        The House and Senate will divide for two hours (at least) to debate, then vote. The vote will be per Senator, with the Vice President being the deciding vote if needed in the Senate, while the vote in the House will only be ONE vote per delegation, per state, not per House member!!! The Republicans have 30 delegation votes compared to the Democrats with 20 delegation votes.

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          Cargill

          The

          House and Senate will divide for two hours (at least) to debate, then vote. The vote will be per Senator, with the Vice President being the deciding vote if needed in the Senate, while the vote in the House will only be ONE vote per delegation, per state, not per House member!!! The Republicans have 30 delegation votes compared to the Democrats with 20 delegation votes.

          This is completely and utterly incorrect.

          On the issue of deciding objections (or choosing between competing slates), both houses vote as normal – not by state delegations – and the Democrats have the numbers in the House (not a big majority, but a majority).

          If the two houses disagree, the slate that prevails is the one certified and submi9tted by 8 Dec – this is totally clear.

          The ONLY time that the House votes by state delegation is if and only if there is a “contingent election” (no-one having 270 votes) – which will not happen because 49 states (not WI) submitted their duly certified electoral votes by the safe harbor date of 8 Dec.

          And BTW the time for debate on an objection in each chamber is two hours at most, not at least.

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        Tarquin Wombat-Carruthers

        Nance-the-dance Pelousy can do anything! Just ask her!

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        Cargill

        “Raiklin notes, however, that ‘Pelosi could try to block the Joint Hearing & kick senate out to prevent Pence from Presiding’ in a naked display of partisanship.”

        There is no need for Nancy Pelosi to do that … in fact the conjecture is whether Mike Pence will turn up at all, to perform the chairman’s role (which is largely ceremonial, by the way, he has no determinative vote on any issue).

        If he does not, Senator Chuck Grassley (Senator Pro Tempore) is asked to do it.

        Let us be clear – 49 of 50 states certified their electoral college votes (306 for Biden) by safe harbor day on 8 December, and they are conclusive.

        That is what conclusive means … states that certify by safe harbor are guaranteed not to be challenged. But if Rep Mo Brooks wishes to defy this, it will only take a simple majority in the House (meeting on its own) to defeat it.

        The governor-certified slates filed before 8 December will always have precedence over Republican alternatives – no matter how the Senate votes. And it’s likely that the Senate will not vote to cast out “safe harbor” slates in any case … Senators are generally conservative about sticking to proper rules and procedures. We’ll see.

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      Cargill

      From the link:

      Meanwhile, the House, led by Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), will accept the original electors from Arizona. Pence would then serve as the tie breaking vote, refusing to accept the original Arizona electors.

      This is not correct. If the House and Senate differ in their vote on an objection, then the slate that was certified by the state governor prior to 8 Dec prevails.

      VP Mike Pence is explicitly excluded from having the tie-breaker vote, because the relevant Act recognised that he might well have skin in the game.

      You can only get to a “contingent election” (where each state gets one vote) if and only if no candidate has the required 270 EC votes. But 49 states (not WI) submitted certified EC votes by the safe harbor date (8 Dec) – and in fact those votes are considered conclusive.

      And “conclusive” means they cannot be objected to. That’s my clear understanding anyway … the EC votes from the 49 states that made the safe harbor date will prevail.

      If you think about it – it has to be this way. Otherwise in any presidential election (fraudulent or not) if both houses of Congress were controlled by the party that did not win the most EC votes (270+) could simply overturn the election.

      And this is one good reason why Republican majorities in swing states won by Joe Biden didn’t die on a hill over it. They know that any “alternative slate” cannot get past first base while the Democrats have a House majority.

      And just to reiterate, VP Mike Pence does not have a tie-breaking vote. His role is impartial and mostly ceremonial.

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    Lawrie

    Thank you Jo for your efforts to keep us informed while the MSM keep us in the dark. The one positive so far is the realisation that there are a number of informative and accurate news sites which circumvent the big media, big tech blackout. May Newsmax, OANN and Epoch Times flourish. Without you however we probably would not be aware of those outlets so once again thank you.

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    dinn, rob

    first published on 10-26-20  F.B.I. director Christopher Wray said the agency opens a China-connected investigation every 10 hours and that, of nearly 5,000 active counterintelligence cases in the U.S., almost half are related to China.
    Importantly, members of the various groups identified by Newsweek, most of them ethnic Chinese, may not be aware of the organization’s ties to the China party-state. Individuals may join for a sense of community or a business opportunity. Despite that, the groups may compete to be close to the Chinese embassy and its consulates hoping to gain status and favors, says Yaqiu Wang, an analyst for Human Rights Watch in New York City. China’s diplomatic system, in turn, connects through them to local Chinese-language communities.
    Some groups assist in technology transfer—acquiring technology developed by U.S. companies for use by Chinese companies—a crucial goal of the party’s influencing and interfering. The system also permeates the Chinese-language media in the U.S, shaping the information environment.
    Newsweek has identified the following types of organizations as affiliated with the United Front throughout the U.S.: at least 83 Chinese hometown associations for immigrants from the same place in China; 10 “Chinese Aid Centers;” 32 Chambers of Commerce; 13 Chinese-language media brands; about half of the 70 associations for Chinese professionals in the U.S.; 38 organizations promoting the “peaceful reunification” of China and Taiwan; five “friendship organizations” and 129 other groups engaged in a range of activities such as education and culture. In addition, there are 265 Chinese Student and Scholar Associations for the approximately 300,000 Chinese students in the U.S. These are connected to CPC politics, often via Chinese diplomats, usually the education secretary in a consulate.
    The groups were identified by evaluating crossover membership, regular joint activities, events indicating ideological alignment, high-level meetings that can only be obtained by being part of a CPC-trusted system and by crosschecking names, positions and cooperative events described in hundreds of Chinese-language government and party documents and Chinese state media reports as well as reports by the groups themselves. The level of influence and interference activity ranges from simple efforts to promote a positive view of China to outright espionage.
    The latter was the case in late September, when a New York City policeman of Tibetan origin from China, a naturalized American citizen and army reservist, was arrested and charged with acting as an illegal agent of the Chinese government. His handler in the Chinese consulate in New York City worked for the China Association for Preservation and Development of Tibetan Culture, which is part of the United Front, according to charges laid out by the Department of Justice. Allegedly the policeman spied on Chinese citizens living in the New York area to help assess their potential as intelligence sources and provided Chinese officials with access to the NYPD through invitations to police events.
    Start digging, and the number of groups in the U.S. with ties to the United Front seem endless. The Committee of 100 (C100), a New York-based advocacy group for Americans of Chinese origin that was founded nearly 30 years ago with the help of Henry Kissinger, is another, according to multiple reports in Chinese-language media and United Front organizations. https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:k1fi-u2R304J:https://dgap.org/en/research/publications/600-us-groups-linked-chinese-communist-party-influence-effort-ambition-beyond+&cd=19&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

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    Steve of Cornubia

    “This documentary may be just the thing for reaching the wide-eyed audience that thinks that CNN or the BBC are giving them the whole truth.”

    I’m afraid that’s unlikely Jo. Most of the people who really do need to see this stuff won’t bother watching it past the point where they realise it supports the allegations of election fraud. Some on the Left know it was a fraudulent election and don’t care. Others simply believe the reports from CNN, ABC, PBS, BBC etc and steadfastly refuse to listen to other outlets.

    Let’s face it, the media that most of those people watch, along with the loudest Democrats (Clinton, Pelosi, Schumer, etc) have spent the last four years convincing Americans that Donald Trump is literally Satan, so I reckon most Democrat voters wouldn’t care if the election was rigged, because they have killed the beast.

    The end justifies the means, once again.

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      PeterPetrum

      That is exactly correct. I reckon that more than 75% of people that actually voted for Biden really voted to get Trump out, come what may. Many will live to regret it if Harris takes over as President when the establishment knifes Biden and his son.

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    OldOzzie

    From the 6th October 2020 but still very revealing – probably a lot worse now

    Pew Research Centre – Unfavorable Views of China Reach Historic Highs in Many Countries

    Negative views of China on the rise

    Unfavorable views of China prevail

    A majority in each of the 14 countries surveyed has an unfavorable view of China. In most countries, around three-quarters or more see the country in a negative light. In Spain, Germany, Canada, the Netherlands, the U.S., the UK, South Korea, Sweden and Australia, negative views have reached their highest level in the 12 or more years that Pew Research Center has been polling in these countries.

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    M Seward

    What is ‘damning’ about all 50 State legislatures overseeng the Electoral College vote , without any dissenting (“faithless”) electors, to establish the president elect thus far, i.e. pending confirmation or otherwise by the US Congress? What is damning about waiting for the 50 or so legal challenges to be dealt with by the State, Federal and Supreme courts either by dismissing as baseless in law, as lacking evidnece and therefore without sufficient formal substance or after reviewing evidence as presented and giving it little credit or weight in law.

    Sounds like a rigorous system clunking its way through the outcomes of an arcghaic and, by our standards, a structurally ramshackle process.

    I get it that a certain faction of the GOP and their ‘base’ may not be happy with the result and that the Dems include some right leftard loons but the EC vote and the popular vote are both in sync. with the pre election polling which gave Biden a consistent winning margin. Where is the prima facie evidence of widespread fraud or malfeasance? Not hearsay, not scuttlebut and voiced over videos by fringe commentators or wannabees looking to get a look in somewhere but court ready, objective, robust evidence?

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      Doesn’t matter how many times we type https://hereistheevidence.com does it?

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        Ian

        Jo

        Having looked at it I can understand why you need to keep typing

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        Peter Fitzroy

        If you look at that site, what does the word “statistical” mean? my guess is modeling. But what is not modeled is the difference between this election and previous elections. without that statistic, how can claims of abnormality be made?

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          Peter Fitzroy

          By the way it might as well be called “here is the assertion” – evidence seems a stretch, when you dig down

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        Hi Jo,
        Thankyou for all your work. If there are no longer any dissenting voices, there is an end of the possibility of dissent. When one paradigm only prevails with power, then there is no new thought. When in addition the state (or media) controls who holds power, or a job, based on their thinking, then the world looks very much like it did in an era called the ‘Dark Ages’. It wasn’t until 1813 that people in Britain could hold positions of power if they were Unitarians. There were not many people in Australia in 1813, so the majority of Australia’s history and founding was in an era of the Great Awakening an era of innovation and invention.

        Releasing thinking to the private domain, allowed innovation in thinking. Due to human pride lots of independent thinking can lead to a lot of argument. Argument leads to polarization if there are dominant voices that form camps that lead to two dominant thought paradigms.

        This US election may result in any amount of argument as it has that pattern of 2 major paradigms: unfortunately we can’t have 2 parallel worlds to allow each side to experience the reality they desire.

        This election is unique in recent memory as it has, at the present moment, at least two possible outcomes. It is fruitful for discussion as it has unfolding complex processes. Thanks for finding key elements of that complex unfolding process.

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      Kalm Keith

      Looking at this series of posts reminds me of the discussions we had about non contributing contributors a while back.

      It’s still happening.

      A perfectly good blog going to waste.

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        M Seward

        You talking about me, Jo, Peter or Ian, KK?

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          KK, there is more troll activity here now than there has been since the first days of blogging. I’m weeding to try to get the best discussion and counter points, but most new commenters who are Biden fans are offering very little other than bluster, ad homs, and triumphalism. Others appear to represent themselves as skeptics and say “we” a lot.
          They say they support Trump, but their messages constantly try to talk people out of protesting or fighting back. “Give up now”.

          PS: Commenting about blog moderation is off topic (as I have said 100 times). Please don’t do it on topic threads. You have my email?

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            As a duel citizen, I voted for Trump.

            Twice.

            What I find disturbingly unconservative is the idea that allegations of election fraud require Trump to refuse the usual peaceful transfer of power to Biden in January.

            That’s a radical and non-conservative idea with far reaching consequences not only for the United States, but quite possibly the global geostrategic status quo as well, meaning it could adversely effect Australia in unpredictable ways.

            Trump suspending the elections cannot possibly solve the dilemma we are in, but it would immediately shatter the national peace and cost many lives. Cities would burn. The ensuing constitutional crisis would cause widespread panic and give hostile forces, within and without America, a window of opportunity to create mayhem. If China did fix this election, they’ll have a well crafted game plan ready to set in motion in the event their fix leads to American chaos.

            As a climate blogger you are well aware of complexity in non-linear systems. You know introducing a perturbation to a complex system could have major consequences that are not predictable. Yet here you are advocating an unprecedented break down in the constitutional tradition of the global hegemon.

            You need to explain your reasoning in terms deeper than you have presented thus far.

            In the American gestalt it is imperative that the President peacefully transfer power to his successor after an election, no matter that the election may be flawed. And let’s be clear about it: You have not proven conclusively China and its evil minions deposed of Trump in a fix election. You’ve got a case. But the evidence required to be sure could take months if not years to piece together.

            Even if true: No single election is worth more than constitutional order.

            That’s the American way. Anything less is unamerican. Here’s why:

            To an American and to the American due process system as outlined in the constitution, power is vested in the people not any one election cycle. Who wins an election is not nearly as important as the election itself. A single flawed election cycle can be remedied by the courts or if the courts decide, they can punt it on to the next election cycle where the people can then offer a remedy.

            It’s not up to the President to decide whether his election was just or unjust then offer a remedy by means of powers he’s been vested with by the people. That’s a clear abuse of constitutional power.

            To an American, especially a conservative, the Presidency is an office not a person. Presidents come and go. Some get assassinated, some get impeached, some lie through their teeth or start unjust wars. Politics is a dirty business. But the office, its decorum, its traditions, its constitutional limitations remain the same. That’s the genius of the system. Take a wrecking ball to that, just because you’re outraged that politics is dirty, and there is nothing between the nation and the abyss.

            No conservative or for that matter, even a liberal, would ever advocate for a President to decide if his election defeat was righteous enough for him to hand over the office to his successor. That’s unimaginable.

            If you have arrived at a political headspace where presidents, ie, flawed human beings, deciding when their term in office is over then you are no longer a conservative or a liberal but a radical. Radicals believe their cause is so righteous that constitution order and tradition be damn. Nothing illegal about being a radical. Obama was a wannabe radical with “a pen and a phone” and we survived 8 years of him. The office is bigger than the man or woman in the Oval Office.

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    Len

    “Turtle” Mitch McConnell received 75% of the Vote in Kentucky Senate Election. Did the CCP pay the fees to Dominion or did his father in law?

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    OldOzzie

    AG William Barr: We Got Our Answer

    AG Barr was installed to manage President Trump and put him on a glide-path to defeat in last month’s election. President Trump did not select Barr to be his Attorney General — the choice was made for the President by professional Republican political operatives and then presented to him as the only acceptable and Senate-confirmable solution….

    When Judicial Watch obtained Justice Department records documenting that 27 phones from the Mueller team were mysteriously “wiped clean” — what did Barr do? Nothing.

    Barr allowed Republicans to look at each other, nod and then smile about “what was coming” — until it never materialized. No justice for Hillary, or Comey, or Strzok, or Brennan or the remaining 30–odd names in the coup litany.

    Keep in mind that while President Donald Trump was being impeached over the phony “Ukraine!” controversy, Barr and his FBI Director Wray were in the possession of Hunter Biden’s laptops (since December 2019) – loaded with who-knows-what Burisma information, etc., and did not utter a syllable. Are we beginning to see a pattern of conduct?

    President Trump has been subverted and sabotaged since he announced his candidacy. Frankly, it truly is a miracle that he was elected. Once the miraculous manifested – it became the focal point of every other power in DC, NYC, LA and Silicon Valley to destroy his administration.

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      Richard C (NZ)

      >”President Trump has been subverted and sabotaged since….”

      And yet he is still alive – I would not have bet on that outcome. Even late teen girls were calling for his assassination when Hillary won.

      A US president, or candidate, bucking the deep state and staying alive is a major accomplishment.

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        Richard C (NZ)

        >”A US president, or candidate”

        Wouldn’t rule out Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia’s demise by nefarious means either. Even CNN carries a forensic pathologists article on this (link omitted):

        ‘Justice Scalia’s unexamined death points to a problem’
        By Judy Melinek, CNN Opinion

        “Even if this decedent weren’t a controversial and powerful national figure, he should have had an autopsy. Why? Because whenever someone is dead in bed at a private residence with a pillow over his head, there is the possibility that the death was not a natural one.”

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        Richard C (NZ)

        Should be – “when Hillary [lost]”.

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      Lance

      Every Prostitute in every Government is distraught about the plight of the “little people”, until they have to earn an honest living. Then they get angry.

      What part of “the consent of the governed is revoked. Deal with the consequences.” do they not understand?

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    OldOzzie

    Statistical Model Indicates Trump Actually Won Majorities in Five Disputed States and 49.68 Percent of the Vote in a Sixth

    EXECUTIVE SUMMARY

    We report a simple yet powerful statistical model of county-level voter behavior in the November 2020 presidential election using two main types of data:

    County-specific voting data from the five previous presidential elections.

    Selected demographic variables (race and education) plotting how different national voter groups voted differently in 2020 overall.
    These two types of predictors allow us to explain over 95% of the variation in county-level votes, and therefore allow us identify which counties (and consequently, states) look substantially anomalous in the 2020 election.

    The model provides substantial support for the allegation that the outcome of the election was affected by fraud in multiple states. Specifically, the model’s predictions match the reported results in all other states, i.e. states where no fraud has been alleged, but predicts Trump won majorities in five disputed states (AZ, GA, NV, PA and WI) and 49.68% of the vote in the sixth (MI).

    In other words, the reported Biden margin of victory in at least five of the six contested states cannot be explained by any patterns in voter preference consistent with national demographic trends.

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    Mike Jonas

    It feels like a train wreck. If Donald Trump truly has anything then surely he would have gone to SCOTUS with it before Dec 14.

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      RickWill

      We should know within a week if Trump is playing the long game. So far it is just scene setting. There has been considerable housekeeping going on – Gina Hapsel excluded from security meetings; John Ratcliffe attending the Army-Navy college football with Trump where the support for Trump was AWE inspiring; Bill Barr now gone (probably not willing to stomach the hard days ahead). military cutting off funding to the CIA.

      Barr’s resignation letter was a vote of appreciation for Trump:
      https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/bill-barr-resignation-letter-trump-b1774039.html

      Few could have weathered these attacks, much less forge ahead with a positive program for the country. You built the strongest and most resilient economy in American history – one that has brought unprecedented progress to those previously left out. You have restored American military strength. By brokering historic peace deals in the Mideast you have achieved what most thought impossible. You have curbed illegal immigration and enhanced the security of our nation’s borders.

      I could be wrong but I will only be convinced of that when Trump hands over his office to Biden or Harris.

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    David Maddison

    Sky News Australia does an investigation into Facebook “fact checkers”.

    https://youtu.be/v-scS7FCrs4

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      RickWill

      The big new media rely on traffic. They have to eventually realise that woke fact checkers are going to cut into their revenue stream.

      DDG is growing at 30%pa. Does not take long for that sort of growth to result in a big business. Google income is in decline – maybe Covid induced but also traffic is down. Facebook revenue has declined.

      If you pee people off then that is bad for business that relies on traffic.

      Trump is probably one of the best adverts for Twitter. It is no wonder their revenue has fallen dramatically since peeing off his supporters.

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    RickWill

    This is the latest from Sidney Powell.
    http://nynettle.info/2020/12/15/dni-ratcliffes-pending-report-its-going-to-blow-the-mind-of-every-citizen-of-the-country/

    It gets real interesting at 22 minutes. Still not complete confidence in the DNI but hopeful:

    And she is hopeful that when DNI John Ratcliffe gives his report about the election, which is due after December 18, he will confirm nearly everything she has publicly discussed.

    With Barr gone, I figure Trump is setting the stage for some serious criminal action. The full consequence of EO13848 could be invoked this weekend.

    Ratcliffe is the only one I have heard cast serious doubt about Biden ever forming an administration. I figure it is a small circle who really have some idea of what is in play.

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    Fuel Filter

    Just thought I’d throw these out here:

    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2020/12/more-dominion-systems-seized.html

    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2020/12/a-first-time-for-everything.html

    And finally this one – a very important link. And, if you don’t follow the links above, PLEASE click on this one, and RTWDT!

    http://www.dailypundit.com/dailypundit.wordpress/2020/12/15/yes-we-have-a-role-to-play-too/

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    PeterS

    An increasing number of Trump supporters are asking Trump to use the Insurrection Act. I say it’s too early for that but who knows; what will be will be. For example, Virginia GOP candidate for governor says “Trump should declare martial law” in election fight.

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    RickWill

    I was doing some checking on the Chinese ties in ownership of Dominion. This is a reported fact check of the original story:
    https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2020/12/fact-check-what-the-china-dominion-and-$400-million-story-is-actually-about.html

    What I find real interesting is:

    Lead Stories has been unable to verify the report, but the reported changes in leadership in China also may have occurred in the New York subsidiary because a business profile by Bloomberg for UBS Securities LLC that on December 9, 2020 listed Luo, Ye and Mu as directors no longer listed them on December 11, 2020. The sole director now listed is Samuel Molinaro. The listing for the subsidiary’s executives has changed, too.

    Indeed, Bloomberg now only lists one board member! What happened to the 3 Chinese representatives? Have the got out while they could!

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    William Astley

    Based on my reading of the tea leaves. The Political game is over. Absolutely over. It is almost time to change gears. There are different problems, issues, and opportunities, in our immediate future. And there will be the US new gov to talk about. It is predicted that every Western country will force our counties to change to the same super efficient, non political, unbiased, gov system.

    The US Milt have officially reached the conclusion that: Covid was designed using Advanced Digital Biological Engineering by the Chinese. And the US Milt as noted above, has evidence of the use of an advanced biological entity used in a high level plot in the US. That last discovery was the last red line. No hesitation after that discovery. Action will be taken before Jan. 20th.

    The weird market story, wet lab events over the years, has created by Chinese Intelligence at as the official fake, covered up story that includes fake evidence, to get us fighting about origins and origin evidence. Organized issuing of fake covid scientific papers, saying covid is natural, were part of the Chinese Intelligence effort. As was the sudden worldwide media censorship of the covid origin question and then the US 2020 election fix.

    P.S. The US Milt takes the recent Digital Biological attack on the US by China, as seriously as a nuclear attack. The US response is all in. There is no hesitation, as US Military analysis showed and all believe who have looked at the evidence/analysis that what is planned is the best and only option.

    China is the world leader in advanced Digital Biological Engineering. These advanced biological systems are digitally designed to be able to defeat the human immune system and make biological changes in the body.

    An example of the use of this new technology is the US Milt’s announcement last week that Chinese genetically modified their soldiers. That is the same technology that was used to design covid.

    Digital Biological Engineering uses very high-tech advanced software (two packages), a super computer, and a group of specialists in computer advanced digital biology to design virus like entities that are evolved using software to enable the virus like entity to defeat the human immune system.

    The same software system can also predict the human body response uses a software package that perfectly simulates all of the biological active regions in the body and the body’s immune system response and cell response to biological entities. The Digital Biological Scientists, produce code, that is then turned into live biological entities; and experimented with in a wet lab.

    The US Milt is going to replace the US gov. as ‘that action’ is predicted by US simulation, that can and is used to predicted the future, to be the single most important response that US could do…..

    …. to regain Chinese ‘respect’ for the US, to ‘stop’ the Chinese from taking actions, and stop the current plot, that could result, in an armed conflict.

    And to stop leaks out of the corrupt civilian government.

    Covid was designed to stop the body from producing the pain signal, at its first site of attack, the throat. This ‘novel’ feature of covid helps it spread because it attacks the throat first and then moves to the lungs. So was the blood clotting feature to damage organ, as was …. The feature where in 0.05% of the population; covid causes the human body to produce antibodies that attack ones one body. This covid feature cause 0.05% of the population to have long term, complex symptoms, very difficult to solve biological problems.

    The anaesthetize the throat covid feature was designed using very high-tech advanced software (two packages that only countries can get), a super computer, and a group of specialists in the computer advanced biology. This advanced technology is not found at a wet lab.

    https://www.newsmax.com/health/headline/covid-19-pain-killer-pandemic/2020/10/06/id/990680/

    Can COVID-19 kill pain? That is the possibility raised by University of Arizona researchers who found SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, might function as a pain killer. If that theory proves to be true, it might be one of the reasons so many infected people walk around unaware they have the disease.

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    wokebuster

    Anyone thinking the new audit of ballots in Georgia with full signature verification will expose the fraud is going to be dissapointed. Here’s a picture of the audit:https://mobile.twitter.com/Wizard_Predicts/status/1339304090371764225

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