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Reagan on rioters, “what’s to negotiate?”

Ronald Reagan:

“I’m sick and tired of the argument about whether some effort to enforce law and order is going to escalate anything at all…”

 

 

Nice civilization you have there. Shame if something happened to it.

As Kamala says with a smile:  “…they’re not going to stop, and nor should they”.

Are the Democrats basically running on extortion: Vote for us so unhappy Democrat voters don’t tear the country apart?

She’s talking about protestors (theoretically) but doesn’t seem to mention the rioters, and as the BLM say “silence is violence”.

Things the ABC / BBC probably won’t mention

The Democrats don’t seem to want to stop the mobs. Tucker Carlson explains…

h/t Scott of the Pacific, David.

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    Peter C

    It seems to me that the Democrats are making things worse for their election chances with almost everything that they do.

    The only thing left to do is cheat by mail. It would not surprise me if the mail in votes are all Democrat votes. If I were able to vote for Trump I would not trust my vote to the mail system. That could make for so interesting disputes about the result of the polls.

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      PeterS

      That’s one scenario already being suggested – the votes are rigged, Trump looses the election and then it’s Trump supporters’ turn to get angry and cause riots. Alternatively, Trump wins and the left go even crazier because they will say the votes were rigged in his favour. Either way, it doesn’t look good for the US over the next few years. time to stock up on my pop corn again.

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        OriginalSteve

        At some pount, after putting up with the rioting, most sane americans will start to deal directly with the left.

        It wont be pretty, but it will solve the problem….

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          Lance

          Chicago Mayor Richard Daly had a practical idea on how to handle arsonists and looters.

          https://twitter.com/i/status/1298723514132787201

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              OriginalSteve

              I’m starting to wonder if part of the covid thing is designed deliberately to make people so “covid fatigued” they :

              - shut their minds
              - stop being reasonable
              - out of desperation to make it stop, accept any old dodgy vaccine.

              Someone I know well basically has said they don’t want to receive any more updates on govt data on covid stuff, despite the fact it was good news!

              Perhoas the plan is to wear people down so much they just surrender….

              Although I notice in Victim-toria , that the white flag is on its way up the pole.

              I notice in Frankston people are now effectively openly defying the govt orders, which was expected when people have had enough.

              Given the CDC in the US has said that 94% of covid deaths had underlying medical conditions, its given the game up.

              This means that victorias actual death toll directly from covid is only 32 people.

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                Kim

                Or it’s part of the preparation for when the SHTF very big time. And I mean very very very big time!!!

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                PeterS

                The real culprits are the MSM. They have been for some years now. They have lost all credibility as they refuse to report the truth and what they do report is mostly fake news or exaggerated bias.

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              OriginalSteve

              But interesting news – as predicted, people have had enough of Stalag Victoria, and the globalists will be freaking out as their “covid control grid” is about to fail spectacularly – this is likely whats driving the sudden concessions by Comrade Andrws, but he still sounds like a testy teacher telling off kids, and refusing to hand back peoples confiscated soccer ball…

              In all this, I feel sorry for the police, who are caught in what appears to be a “King Canute” exercise in futility.

              https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6186060414001

              “Protesters defy Victorian lockdown laws
              31/08/2020|2min

              “Dozens of protesters have taken to the streets in Broadmeadows overnight to defy Victoria’s strict stay-at-home orders.

              “Some of the groups stopped traffic while others carried flares and threw rocks, claiming to be outside for their permitted daily hour of exercise.

              https://www.theaustralian.com.au/breaking-news/victoria-police-warn-fines-will-be-issued-after-hundreds-plan-to-defy-lockdown-and-protest-through-melbourne-cbd/news-story/d6ba60315af7b0306634c908de4622dc

              “Two men have been arrested for planning a protest where hundreds of people were set to “fill up the streets” and defy Melbourne’s lockdown.

              “Police arrested a 41-year-old man from Mooroolbark on Thursday. He was charged with incitement, bailed and is due to appear at Melbourne Magistrate’s Court on January 21.

              https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/freedom-day-protests-against-coronavirus-lockdown-slammed-by-daniel-andrews-c-1265108

              “Tens of thousands of Australians are preparing to participate in “Freedom Day” protests against coronavirus restrictions.

              “Predominantly in Victoria – but with others planned elsewhere across Australia – COVID sceptics are voicing their intention to rally.

              “The date they have marked in their calendars is September 5.

              https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-27/police-warn-melburnians-against-dandenong-coronavirus-protest/12603480

              “The Victorian Government says it is working to deliver support and information into communities in Melbourne’s outer south-east, where anti-lockdown protests have been held over the past few days in breach of physical-distancing restrictions.

              “Police said officers issued nine fines and arrested four men who joined a “recurring protest” at the George Andrews Reserve on Wednesday.

              “In a statement, police said anyone planning to attend future protests could expect to see a “highly visible police presence in the Dandenong area”.

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      ImranCan

      Completely agree. Prediction is very difficult (as we all know), but my guess is that Trump isn’t just going to win, he’s going to win in a landslide.

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        PeterS

        I tend to agree given how the left in the US are in effect telling voters if they vote for Trump then expect to be attacked, and a typical American doesn’t like being threatened in such fashion. Of course if Trump does win then expect the left to go completely crazy.

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          Bulldust

          PeterS – the difference after November will be that Trump can’t be re-elected. You think he will go easy on rioters after the election? I think not.

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            PeterS

            Well if things get more out of control Trump if re-elected will have to come down hard on them. It won’t be nice but he really has no other choice as he can’t let the US keep destroying itself so easily and quickly. That might be the role of the next President after Trump. It’s my firm belief though it matters not if Trump is re-elected or not. The US is doomed and on the declined longer term.

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        M Seward

        Have to agree. I’m no Trump fan but these Antifa imbeciles are about the biggest card in his campaign hand the way they carry on.

        One the one hand there is the awful footage of some poor African American being mercilessly choked to death or just gunned down in front of his kids and then the cretins go and burn down another commercial district and monster a senator and his wife in front of the cameras for good measure. The Trump landslide is not crazy optimism despite the polls.

        There is an anti Trump part of the Republican base that would like to see the back of him but if you wanted to get them back in the tent and bring out all manner of normally apolitical voters in a voluntary voting system well rioting, mayhem and attacking senators and their wives in the street will do it.

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          Ken Davis

          You mean a wanted criminal, harassing his victim, resisting arrest going to his car when ordered to stop and reaching for a weapon in front of his kids. I mean how could that end badly?

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            Gaz

            UN Peacekeeping forces act generally under a direction “do not fire unless fired upon = the other guy has to shoot first – not just ignore the peacekeepers.
            If this is OK in a conflict zone then it should be the hard and fast rule in general policing.
            Having a knife is not an excuse for shooting someone – whatever happened to unarmed combat training and long battons, or better still net-guns

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              Steve of Cornubia

              “UN Peacekeeping forces act generally under a direction “do not fire unless fired upon = the other guy has to shoot first – not just ignore the peacekeepers. If this is OK in a conflict zone then it should be the hard and fast rule in general policing.”

              I am totally shocked that anybody would think that is a good idea (though of course the UN is run by imbeciles).

              Seriously, if you were a police officer in a nation where millions of thugs, drug dealers, gang members and rapists have guns, would YOU want to wait till he/she had shot at you BEFORE defending yourself?

              How many of those ‘first shots’ are going to result in a dead police officer?

              I have watched the footage in question and I think it was perfectly reasonable for the officer to fire. In his position, for the reasons now disclosed (and studiously ignored by the leftist media), he had reasonable fear that the guy was getting his gun from the car. Just watch a few videos online of police officers getting shot – yes it does happen but rarely makes it to the media pages – and you will see plenty of examples of crims retrieving a weapon from the car before murdering the officer. This sometimes happens merely because the officer pulled the guy over for a minor traffic offence, whereas ths guy in this story had already been convicted of violent offences and WAS KNOWN TO POSSESS A GUN.

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              Bulldust

              Putting aside that a knife is more effective than a gun at short range, the cops had no way of knowing what he was reaching for. But please do yourself a favour and looks up the dozens of videos showing cops getting shot for being too relaxed in exactly such a situation.

              The outrageous headline of the week certainly has to go to:

              “Jacob Blake had knife in car but was otherwise unarmed, Wisconsin DOJ says as it releases name of Kenosha officer who shot him in the back”
              https://twitter.com/journalsentinel/status/1298774756355977216

              And people wonder why we don’t take the commercial media seriously anymore.

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                Wayne Job

                All of this rioting arson and violence has seen real and normal Americans arm themselves. So much so that there is a shortage of bullets.
                The so called deplorables will not take much more crap.

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              Nezysquared

              Ever been shot at? Shooting second ain’t the best idea. In any situation like that you have to assume the guy pointing a gun is going to use it. Big boys rules….

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            M Seward

            What crap. One or two shots might be understandable if the actual situation was as bad as made out by some but seven? The problem in the US is they haave a whole series of hillbilly police forces with lousy training except a lot of time at the firing range that attract gun lurvin’ tinpots and have a culture generally of firepower as a first resort. Add to that the gun ownership obsession of the place and its like with bushfires, a massive ‘fuel load’ just waiting for a spark with huge numbers of vulnerable assets ( i.e. human beings) nearby.

            As for cops being shot, well seeing the recent examples I am not at all surprised as people probably reckon they may well be gunned down just for the hell of it the place is such a civil war zone. The Yanks shoot each other at something like twenty times the per capita rate we do, there’s your assessment parameter.

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            Slithers

            When you disobey, repeated, legal orders to stop, and continue, you step out-side the law, and the law has every right to respond in any way they think appropriate.

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      Bulldust

      With respect to voting by mail I give you two facts:

      1) There have been numerous serious issues with mail-in ballots (not to be confused with absentee ballots); and
      2) the US postal union endorsed the Democrats.

      If they manage to push mail-in voting and then drag out the counting long enough, including challenges, re-counts etc, Trump will no longer be President and the House leader steps in temporarily. Oh, would that happen to be Mrs Pelosi? Why yes it is.

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        Bulldust

        Here is former Bernie supporter now MAGA lad Tim Pool summarising the situation well

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUiGL0nQdMs

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        Red Edward

        Bulldust, that is not correct. The pathway is explicit in the US (written) Constitution. I will read backward from the mot current to the oldest effective.

        25th Anemdment have no applicable text, only text concerning an already elected President.

        22nd Amendment limits the number of terms that a President can serve. Also not applicable.

        20th amendment is applicable to teh extent it covers timing and certain other aspects of the election process. See attached:

        20th amendment

        Section 1

        The terms of the President and Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January, and the terms of Senators and Representatives at noon on the 3d day of January, of the years in which such terms would have ended if this article had not been ratified; and the terms of their successors shall then begin.
        Section 2

        The Congress shall assemble at least once in every year, and such meeting shall begin at noon on the 3d day of January, unless they shall by law appoint a different day.
        Section 3

        If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.
        Section 4

        The Congress may by law provide for the case of the death of any of the persons from whom the House of Representatives may choose a President whenever the right of choice shall have devolved upon them, and for the case of the death of any of the persons from whom the Senate may choose a Vice President whenever the right of choice shall have devolved upon them.

        (Note: Currently there is no separate election of President and Vice President, one votes for both of them or neither. This renders the Vice President succession moot.)

        12th Amendment – the functional guts of the matter, where not overridden by later Amendments (which is why I am listing in reverse order.

        12th Amendment

        he Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;-The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;-The person having the greatest Number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President-The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

        So the Speaker cannot be the president, under any terms, unless the Speaker was amoung the top 3 vote getters in the election.

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      David Maddison

      I think the main threat to President Trump’s re-election is fraudulent voting by the Left. This has been in preparation for a long time such as with the Obama “motor voters”, extremely suspect voter rolls, lack of anti-fraud measures in the voting system and most recently mail-in votes, not to be confused with absentee votes which the President fully supports due to built-in anti-fraud measures.

      The other threat to the President is the overwhelmingly Leftist Enemedia and social media. It’s of particular concern that Trump supporters and even Trump himself are censored on social media and their “reach” restricted. I am also concerned that Twitter might ban Trump’s account at a critical time before the election. Twitter is almost Trump’s only outlet where his words can be truthfully reported, by himself.

      This really is an insurrection against the United States and exposes the full evil of the Left.

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    Deano

    BLM organisers might want to read “How to Win Friends and Influence People”.
    I couldn’t think of a more reliable way to encourage votes for Trump than to attack and abuse his supporters. Imagine the sense of satisfaction for those harassed Trump supporters when they cast their ballots early in November.

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      Bulldust

      I have been calling the Trumpslide for a couple of months now, ever since the violent “peaceful protests” kept persisting. As long as they carry on, and the Dems don’t condemn them, they will keep losing moderates. The rusted on crazies will never shift, of course, but they aren’t relevant.

      Also, black neighbourhoods are most affected and Trump has offered assistance to any State that invites him in. He can’t be seen to be going in uninvited. In a stunning coincidence black voters are shifting to Trump in record numbers (in the 20%s now). These are levels at which the Dems cannot win.

      The longer the violence persists, the more assured Trump is of the win. Even if invited to stop the violence, and he does, then he still wins in the eyes of voters. The Dems painted themselves into this stupid corner, so cheating on the election through mail-in fraud is their only strategy now.

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        The MSM has far too much influence in molding opinions whose primary tools are hate mongering and spinning half truths into plausible lies that support far left ideologies. What concerns me is that the extreme hate of Trump pushed by the MSM makes far too many people unable to see through the fog of war and this definitely is a war of Freedom vs. Marxism.

        I know far too many people who should be smart enough to know better, but the hate pushed by the MSM has affected their thinking to such a great degree, they can no longer be rational. If Trump doesn’t win, it will be this unmitigated and unwarranted racist hate of white male presidents that destroys the country as it leads to a civil war against the Marxists trying to take over.

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    RickWill

    I was unaware the Reagan every got into an argument about weather or whether he argued about riots.

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      TdeF

      These are all Climate Change riots, about the weather or not.

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        OriginalSteve

        These are all communists it seems….

        Climate Change(tm)…Covid…BLM….any excuse to riot and attempt to overthrow society…..

        Here is good news…Antifa is about to get the jump….

        https://thefederalist.com/2020/08/27/exclusive-homeland-security-secretary-says-antifa-absolutely-meet-definition-of-domestic-terrorist-group/

        “Acting Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf offered a harsh evaluation of the anarchist group Antifa Wednesday, declaring that in certain capacities, the left-wing group “absolutely” meets the standards worthy of condemnation as a “domestic terrorist group.”

        “I think what we see with them individually targeting law enforcement, individually targeting certain officials for certain reasons, that is the definition of domestic terrorism,” Wolf told The Federalist, going on to explain, however, that the group’s decentralized nature makes it difficult for law enforcement to offer effective surveillance and widespread prosecution.

        Now – once you designate a group a “terrorist organization” – you can then go after the funders.

        Will we see wealthy billionaires in irons at Her Majestys’ Please? ( or the US equivalent )?

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      Analitik

      He did remove the solar panels that were installed at the White House under the Carter administration.

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    FrankH

    Reagan: “I’m sick and tired of the argument about weather some effort to enforce law and order is going to escalate anything at all…”

    That’s the worst spell of whether since… well… since the last bad spell of wether. ;-)

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    Peter C

    The Reagan video reminded me that he was named “THE GREAT COMMUNICATOR”, which was very apt.

    The job of the leader is to set the Agenda, not try to micro manage everything. Ronald Reagan knew what he wanted to say and he knew how to say it. He had a great speaking voice. All that previous experience as an actor gave him the delivery.

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    Graeme No.3

    reagan wasn’t

    president in 1969, in fact he was considered unelectable as President. He just kept being sensible and won over the electorate.

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    Doc

    ….. and people who can afford private security as seems to apply to those egging on the rioters.
    The effectiveness of showing a weapon for legal use seems to cause pause as well. I would think the order of affairs soon after a Democrat election win would be the neutralising of the Right to bear arms, the State defunding of police and then letting the looters loose to create chaos with the intention to declare Marshall law and take over the running of the country. The left extremists are virtually stating this already, and State governors and mayors in the big Democrat States are already trying to act accordingly at this moment.

    The big problem is that most Americans seem to be in a state of denial or comforting belief that such a
    thing could never happen. After all, this is the USA. Impossible. Trump, on the other hand has said this
    will not be allowed to happen – rule by rabble and anarchists – if he wins the election. One must hope that even most Democrats will see what’s coming with a win when the most extreme extremists have taken over their Party, realise this is beyond Party loyalties and they won’t vote or will vote to back Trump. The reverse is to vote in chaos as never before seen in the USA.

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      TdeF

      Exactly, but the Left is so excited by the very favorable early polls, they have forgotten to hide their real agenda.

      Just as with Hillary they just keep alienating people at every level. They still believe they didn’t lose the last election and moreover that the deplorables can never win twice, so why pretend they care about jobs for deplorables? As Marie Antoinette supposedly said to starving Frenchmen, let them eat cake. And Biden is truly hiding in his basement while Warren, Harris and Sanders run the agenda. Up with taxes. Trillion dollar give aways. Free health and eduction to any illegals. The whole Green New Deal with no cars and no petrol and no gas.

      And Biden will forget to turn up and it will be a Weekend at Bernies rerun with Biden as the dummy.

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    Jonesy

    The sixties never ended for these people.

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      Ted O'Brien.

      The sixties were the best times ever for advancing our living standards, despite the worst efforts of the anarchists. In the seventies the Marxists were handed control of our education system, and set about destroying the gains we had made. We have been squandering opportunities ever since.

      It is ironic that the anarchists who blocked the streets in the sixties got to be running the country by the eighties. It took them thirty years to bring us down to what we are seeing today.

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      Ted O'Brien.

      The sixties were the best times ever for advancing our living standards, despite the worst efforts of the anarchists. In the seventies the Marxists were handed control of our education system, and set about destroying the gains we had made. We have been squandering opportunities ever since.

      It is ironic that the anarchists who blocked the streets in the sixties got to be running the country by the eighties. It took them thirty years to bring us down to what we are seeing today.

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    Jojodogfacedboy

    You have the media everywhere encouraging violence stealthily in the background hoping to catch the violence on cameras.
    With the advent of cell phones, many people who want to have a rally for President Trump or put up signs of support can be targeted very quickly by the Democrats violent organizations of physical intimidation or violence.
    Many properly organized oppositions speakers have had to cancel due to the intimidation and threats of violence by this cell phone organization of having a crowd gather in a few minutes.

    Is it any wonder that many of the Trump supporters have to hide their preference?

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      Jojodogfacedboy

      After this racism reporting burns itself out, it will go back to the poor natives and their appalling living conditions.
      Totally unreporting or not reporting important issues that should be what we need to be focusing on.

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    TdeF

    It’s interesting that only black people are saying America is racist. Everyone else from every other country and race wants to migrate there. In fact the extreme ‘squad’ of four are all first generation people who have made it into congress and now say America is not good enough for them and racist. At what point does the hypocrisy sink in?

    And at what point do black people take responsibility for their own failure? People from all countries came to America, generally with nothing but a suitcase and a willingness to work. But most groups do not commit half the burglaries and 42% of all the murders. Blaming failure on ‘white privilege’ is absurd. Especially for Oprah Winfrey and Michelle Obama. Oprah is now worth a cool $2.5Billion. Clearly disadvantaged by her skin colour and now gives lectures now on the evils of White Privilege. And Michelle managed degrees at Harvard and Princeton and eight years as First Lady. Obviously another victim of discrimination. It must have been difficult for Michelle living in the White House and suffering. Like Hillary for eight years and another four as Secretary of State.

    But the attacks on Melania Trump and her son and husband are the most disgusting I ever heard in public life and not one of these other women has had to put up with any such abuse. Obama was not shown as decapitated to his children as Hollywood humour. And I cannot believe Michelle Obama or Hillary Clinton were vilely and continually abused in the way Melania has been abused. So much for white privilege. Everyone admires Michelle Obama but she also says now that America is racist and no one objects to the abuse of Melania.

    This instant BLM racism story is fake. It’s an invented excuse for AntiFA violence, burn, loot and murder and anarchy and the Obamas and Kamala Harris and Biden are openly supporting the rioting and robbery and violence and the attacks on the police. That is all quite unbelievable, especially as a winning Democrat election strategy.

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      John F. Hultquist

      Everyone admires Michelle Obama

      Not true.

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        TdeF

        It’s what we are told endlessly by the press. I have yet to read a negative. Like the Clintons, they are candidates for canonization, which in the case of Bill and Hillary may involve a cannon.

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        Annie

        I never liked the Obamas. Michelle looked odd in short wide skirts whereas Melania looks elegant and dignified. I admire her for gracefully carrying on despite the appalling rubbish she and her family have suffered.

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      Lance

      US has something called FBI Uniform Crime Statistics, compiled from police reports nationwide. Usually lags the present day by a year or two because of having to receive, collate, and compile the huge number of reports.

      Obama didn’t like what the reports showed, statistically, and ordered the FBI to stop producing them. Trump re-authorized the reports.

      Based on the 2018 UCS, Blacks commit 9.166 times as many crimes upon whites as whites do against blacks and blacks comprise 13% of the population vs. whites at 66% of population. If one runs the maths on this, that means that whites are approximately 4500% more likely to be a victim of crime by a black person rather than a white perpetrator.

      So, give that a think or two and wonder. These are statistics based on actual police reports, not empty claims.

      Here’s a visual that kind of puts some things in perspective.

      http://ninetymilesfromtyranny.blogspot.com/2020/08/lebron-james-is-pos.html

      methinks LeBron James is Maths Challenged.

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      Analitik

      It’s interesting that only black people are saying America is racist

      Not in the USA. Plenty of the BLM protestors and supporters are from the white SJW crowd.

      And the situation you describe is exactly the same as here where aborigines call our country fundamentally racist while people overseas risk their lives to immigrate.

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        Gaz

        Clearly BLACK lives matter is racist by definition, otherwise no distinction would be drawn and it would be ALL lives matter, or maybe SOME lives matter more than others

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          Gaz, you mark yourself as someone who does not think for themselves or inquire beyond your favourite media.

          FYI, BLM is the name of a movement that looks at inequalities across all social strata and which came into being as a result of black lives seemingly not mattering to large segments of society. How is that racist? If they called it “black lives matter too”, would that aid with your poor comprehension? Adding the “too” shows what a nonsense this becomes; “all lives matter too”

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    TdeF

    Surely the people of America are not going to vote for people who abuse them and call them racists and want to fire all the police and the Pentagon and replace them with social workers, print money and open the borders in a pandemic and stop all the cars and planes and trucks so they can run on batteries? It’s all so crazy, you wonder what is going on in Democrat strategy.

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      Richard Ilfeld

      They will not, and the left knows it. There is no chance the folks will ever support policies that generally make their lives worse, to benefit a small elite’s quest for power. SO they have chosen a token of hatred upon which to place the blame for all of our problems, and a token of political divinity that the claim provides salvation for all of our problems,
      and they plan to convince enough room temperature IQ voters to buy their version of salvation though 60 second TV lies to claim a win in the election, at which point they will use the police power of the state to subdue the rest of us.

      Do you recall any party actually running on higher energy prices, lost jobs and wages, rolling blackouts, failing schools and civil unrest? Which of our current leaders had as a slogan “I’ll make your life a lot worse if you vote for me”.

      The who cohabit here profess to see through the BS, but often a majority of our fellow citizens do not.

      In the US, citizens of the absolutely worst jurisdiction within which t domicile have been the most reliable repeat voters for their failed leadership.

      On might conclude that something other than an enlightened democracy is happening. might one not? Thus why would one have any faith in a free and fair election if these folks see their sinecures challanged?

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        Richard Ilfeld

        But, replying to myself, the left lives in a bubble.
        There is one thing, and only one thing, about the committed left, that is different from the rest of us.
        The left has a belief in initiating affirmative violence to further its aims.
        The rest of us see violence as a last resort, useful only when all else has failed, and used as judiciously as possible.
        For gods sake, the right even believes in rules and laws for warfare. As if.

        Our vote may well depend on the willingness of a majority the make this the single defining issue of the election: any government or media that permits, condones or dismisses violence, looting and harrassment of ordinary citizens in the streets disqualifies itself from legitimacy.

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          TdeF

          What is spectacular is Trump’s rapidly rising vote in the Black community. So much for racist oppression. That all comes from the Democrats and the black population can see plainly they are just being used. And the police are the only ones who can protect them.

          The demands from defund the police to full term free abortion really hit the black communities hardest. And it’s black businesses burning down in the inner city and often being burned down by violent fascist white people. And once you burn down Wendy’s, it’s not there any more. And the black looting is destroying legitimacy in any protest, so it’s all going very badly.

          The Left thinks they are winning the Black vote when they are driving black votes away. It wasn’t racism which looted the local black store. It was your own people. That has to stop. Michelle Obama says this is all a protest against systemic racism when it is just burn, loot and murder. And no one is fooled. Trashing your own neighbourhood is not a smart move.

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            Graeme No.3

            It’s probably something to do with giving them jobs and hope. Something the Democrats seem determined to end.

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        RickWill

        The who (sic?) cohabit here profess to see through the BS, but often a majority of our fellow citizens do not.

        Only a very small percentage of people can comprehend why adding low cost weather dependent electricity generators to a network can increase the overall cost of electricity. Part of the problem is almost universal use of the misleading term ‘renewable’ to describe weather dependent generators.

        Even people seeing their electricity bills increasing does not prompt them to consider the situation rationally. The promoters continue to press for more on the basis that it ‘must’ eventually lower cost. Every project that connects more hardware to the network comes with the promise of lowering the cost. Adding more while eliminating nothing is never going to reduce cost.

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    Tim C

    Why, oh why has Jo, a science presenter posting this pathetic political [snip]? Please get your nose out of trump’s giant [snip crass] and stick to science.

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      Your erudite description of BidenHarris science policy is noted.

      But to be fair, it was a very slack, underedited Sunday shot. It’s improved now.

      Really I just wanted to give TdeF a chance to rip… :- )

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        TdeF

        And not since the time of Galileo has science been so tied up with politics and corrupting science essential to the attack on Western societies. And this blog is about debunking Political science fiction.

        The sudden appearance just now of racism as the most important issue in an election is as fake and costly as the introduction of politics to the weather. Racism and the military weapon labelled by WHO as the non infectious Covid 19 which has now killed more Americans than the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It is an assault on the West and science is now inseparable from politics even for weather forecasting, NASA and the BOM. The first weapon of mass destruction since 1945 has been used.

        Climate reparations and now race reparations are both political constructs to attack the most successful Western democracy in history and the only country in the path of communist world hegemony in the names of Climate justice and Race justice when both are fake issues.

        Africa and Asia, India and China are far more racist than the United States but only in the United States is it a issue with riots in the streets. Fake issues seized to cover the anarchists. This manipulation of public opinion is classic communist and fascist strategy and at stake is the future of America. We are not at a tipping point with the weather. We are a tipping point with freedom and scientists must speak out.

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          el gordo

          ‘It is an assault on the West …’

          It was caused by a misfit at the lab and the whole business has been a great embarrassment to Beijing, but its not a state sponsored effort to bring down the West.

          Racism is a natural part of our defence mechanism, embedded since the beginning, so we shouldn’t be surprised that its universal.

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            TdeF

            It may have started with viral control incompetence or carelessness, as warned by the US Ambassador two years ago, but the coverup has been very deliberate, calculated and made use of their recent control of the WHO to maximize the spread with the declaration in January by puppet Tedros Adhanom that the virus was not infections human to human. Which was a bald faced lie. Why did he do it?

            Maybe it was just to spread and diffuse the evidence and the blame but the trial attack of a man made pathogen on the US and Europe and the loss of life is just the same. As is the business opportunity. The one major misstep the Chinese government made was to threaten withholding of medicine during the pandemic, making the world aware how much they depend on Chinese manufacturers for simple medicines. And we in Australia are now having sanctions on wine and barley and meat because we wanted answers as to how the pandemic started and where.

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              TdeF

              And I would like to think that the launching of a nuclear missile by a ‘misfit’ at the silo or incompetence was not possible either.

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                el gordo

                They apologise and promise it will never happen again, but at the same time …

                ‘Hong Kong has lived under the new national security law for two months now. The reverberations from the Beijing-imposed legislation, which took effect on June 30, continue to be felt.

                ‘According to both local and central governments, the law, which gives authorities powers against acts of secession, subversion, terrorism and collusion with foreign forces, would target only a criminal minority. However, its effects have been wide-ranging, from finance to media.’ SCMP

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                OriginalSteve

                Yes, and when was the last time anyone could trust a communist?

                Their whole agenda is to crash our world and make us all miserable.

                After reading “The Naked Communist” , it opened my eyes to communism s deliberate and malicious assault on normal people.

                I have no issues with people having differing views, I have no issue with people peacefully protesting, and I absolutely support people having freedom of speech, even if I don’t like whats being said.

                But – when it becomes violent, its a matter of protecting families and society generally. If you throw a fire bomb into a building, you are committing attempted murder, so all bets are off at that point.

                If someone attempts to pervert children by passing horrible laws that allow their innocence to be stolen by some perverted & sick sexual-political idelogy, all bets are off.

                Society exists under conservatism, stability and safety are the keys to a functioning society. Protest, but do it peacefully.

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                el gordo

                Yes but Beijing is fascist and we have to work this through, like post pandemic reparations.

                Donald could get his wall free of charge and Australia a continental bullet train network.

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      RickWill

      The reason why the climate debate still continues is that there are scientists arguing against a religious belief. The scientists can never win that debate.

      The majority of politicians side with the church as the are all promising perfect weather – PPPW (Politicians Promising Perfect Weather) Trump is one of a small number of non-PPPW so it is important that he remain in the powerful political position he achieved in 2019.

      Any blog that supports scientific knowledge over religious dogma should be supporting Trump and the threat he poses to those PPPWs.

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    In 1967 and 68 educated young Americans argued about Tim Leary, “Atlas Shrugged” and “Stranger in a Strange Land,” and the relative merits of Owsley versus other brands of acid. Those whose schooling had been neglected whined about Marx, Castro, Bellamy and Howells and preferred communist dogma to psychedelics. All opposed bombing villagers in Catholic/Buddhist Indochina, but the looters did it because they wanted communism to win. Southern Democrats ran George Wallace on a racial collectivism platform as Youth International and Weatherman soviets split the Dems on socialist lines. Republicans met these developments with whoops of joy, welcomed race-baiting televangelized southerners into their ranks and subsidized the media to get them to ignore the Libertarian Party. That endless loop continues.

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    reformed warmist of logan

    One of the biggest problems about this whole “Covid/BLM” tsunami in the US. is that all the adults have left the room re the media’s coverage. I give you just 3 glaring examples:–
    No-one in the ‘lame-stream’ media have mentioned that the initial estimates of the WHO. were for a 3.4% mortality (not even close);
    No-one mentioned the fact that Floyd died of an overdose, not a police knee; &
    No-one mentioned that many of the BLM’s. spruikers (NBA., NFL., Oprah, et.al.) are all multi-millionaires.
    This November we possibly will see 1 of 2 extreme outcomes occur.
    Either Trump will win 35/40 states & wipe the floor with blue blood; or, the Biden/Harris experiment will be given mail-in legitimacy, and the US. will be in (another) recession by this time next year. BTW. watch petrol hit $2/litre here if the latter happens.
    Warm regards, reformed warmist of Logan.
    PS. BTW. As tragic as a single death is, a sentiment I truly feel (having been the 1st to find 1 of the first suicides of this pandemic), has anyone noticed that the ratio of Covid deaths this year to global births last year is 1:100 !! And that the ratio of Covid deaths this year to births & immigration to Australia last year is 1:600 !! (THINK ABOUT IT!!)

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    Peter Fitzroy

    Let see, what you you seem to be saying is that the left use their own deaths at the hands of the right to hold democracy hostage.
    They do this by attacking defenceless pile of brink and mortar, inciting members of the right to shoot them with assault weapons.
    The right then try the argument “brick lives matter” but are ignored by the mostly leftist press.
    Thank good that the state media in the form of Fox News has the courage to publish the truth.

    Is that correct?

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      el gordo

      Not quite correct.

      Democracy allows for social upheaval, remember the green jackets in France, so there is nothing particularly new in any of this. What we do know is that large gatherings of protestors proves that democracy is alive and well in the US.

      In Russia they still crush dissent and poison dissenters, while in China nobody says boo.

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      el gordo

      To which I’ll add, a free press is good for democracy and Fox is creating the balance in the US and Australia. Rupert and Lachlan play hard ball.

      There is no such thing as a free press in China, but the people are still informed. Here they are moulding youth into becoming good citizens and not anarchists.

      http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202008/30/WS5f4b4b1fa310675eafc5653b.html

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      Analitik

      Let see, what you you seem to be saying is that the left use their own deaths at the hands of the right to hold democracy hostage.

      The left use the deaths of anyone not on the right at the hands of the anyone to hold democracy hostage.

      They do this by attacking defenceless pile of brink and mortar, inciting members of the right to shoot them with assault weapons.

      They do this by attacking bricks and mortar of properties of businesses along with local community members associated with these, forcing members of the community to defend these properties since the police, in left governed communities, are not allowed to be “confrontational”. Since the attacks have become more and more destructive, those not of the left are now resorting to firearms to defend their lives and properties since they are greatly outnumbered by the protesting left.

      The right then try the argument “brick lives matter” but are ignored by the mostly leftist press.

      Yes. “Fiery But Mostly Peaceful Protests” was the best example of this by a CNN reporter at the recent Kenosha riot

      Thank good that the state media in the form of Fox News has the courage to publish the truth.

      Well, they do have a viewing base that is sick of the totally biased coverage from the rest of the MSM (especially when many can look out their windows and see that it isn’t all rosey and lovey in the BLM protests) so there is a commercial aspect as well.

      Is that correct?

      The 2 last statements are. The earlier 2 are not correct in any way.

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      Analitik

      And from your prose, Peter Fitzroy, I’m guessing that you identify with the transgender crackp0t, Vicky Osterweil

      Looting strikes at the heart of property, of whiteness and of the police. It gets to the very root of the way those three things are interconnected. And also it provides people with an imaginative sense of freedom and pleasure and helps them imagine a world that could be. And I think that’s a part of it that doesn’t really get talked about—that riots and looting are experienced as sort of joyous and liberatory.

      https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2020/08/27/906642178/one-authors-argument-in-defense-of-looting

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      R.B.

      That defenceless pile of bricks and mortar represents investment of blood,sweat and tears.

      Are you an ABC journalist?

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      Richard Ilfeld

      It is probably not fair to suggest to troll-under-the-bridge that the most celebrated pile of brick, in Portland Ore, is also a federal detention centre,
      and were it actually set on fire and the fire department detained, the carnage would be substantial. It is also true that in large cities many, if not most storefronts
      have apartments on the upper floors. The abstraction and sanitization of violence by the left is often expressed in the ‘to make an omelette one has to break a few eggs meme’.
      Quaint and cute at a cocktail fete in the cocktail lounge or the retires civil servants hall, no doubt. Strange how the death of a random thug is world-altering, the death of a lifelong small business or a child in a gang crossfire irrelevant. Illuminates your values, one supposes.

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    Jojodogfacedboy

    Jo,

    The one thing never discussed is how our governments have changed funding to the current mess we have.
    This lockdown was due to decades of slashing funding for hospitals with added populations as the funds were allocated to massive amounts of subsidies and incentives to research and big businesses.
    Massive amounts of new regulations and laws enforced by our governments that make a living illegal in many areas due to health and safety laws.

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      Jojodogfacedboy, this is the NWO plan all along. We are now in acceleration phase towards next years “RESET”.

      https://principia-scientific.com/the-new-world-orders-covid-19-scamdemic-part-1/

      https://www.weforum.org/great-reset/

      OriginalSteve has repeatedly made comments of the NWO (and all the organisation acting as catalysts), but the useful idiot’s still chant conspiracy theory.

      https://www.coreysdigs.com/c-i-a-3-letter-agencies/cia-coined-weaponized-the-label-conspiracy-theory/

      Tim C – Unfair attacking Jo. Read the full article of the first link I have provided.

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        OriginalSteve

        Correct…any time you see the chant of “its a conspiracy theory” in the MSM, its a deliberate MSM pre-emptive strike to encourage the sheeple to discredit anyone who can actually see through the lies.

        Sure, there are some seriously stupid stuff out there that is pure conspiracy lunacy, however when you start to see organized patterns of behaviour that seems to fit an overarching theme, it is no longer a “theory”.

        I keep thinking of the old russian maxim under the Soviet system :

        “They pretend to give us the news,
        and we pretend to believe them”

        I no longer watch the “news”, as I wind up laughing at it a lot and cant take it seriously any more as its such a joke when you realize how one side it is.

        Part of the problem is that your average Joe hasn’t realized they are being conned by the media. Since some of our highest viewed programs are “Home and Away” or gurglebox, and people keep dialed into the Australian Bolshevik Collective to get their daily serving of climate change and the Covid psy op, it will take a lot to wake most people up. Sure there is a sense of comfort in being told whats going on, but if people actually have to think for themselves, it makes them uncomfortable as the powers that be like their subjects fat, dumb and ignorant. You know the brain washing is complete when they say “everyone knows…” that’s the death knell of independent thought. This is best summed up by this advance warning by Orwell :

        “In a time of universal deception, telling the truth was a revolutionary act”
        - 1984

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    David Maddison

    It is somewhat in the spirit of the 1966 quip by NSW Premier Robert Askin who, with US President Lyndon B Johnson in a motorcode blocked by protestors said to the driver “run the [email protected] over”.

    https://www.nfsa.gov.au/collection/curated/holt-hosts-australias-first-presidential-visit

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    Serge Wright

    The angry mob that have been burning, destroying and murdering across the nation are Democrat supporters, which is why they avoid scrutiny or criticism. This is the new age of left wing politics, where terrorism becomes a tool used by the left to pressure you on polling day.

    As we have seen down here, the left-wing mob is already among us and will eventually move from toppling statues to toppling conservative voters in our own cities. For the USA they have been given two choices by these left-wing terrorists, either vote Democrat to end capitalism and democracy, or endure ongoing terrorism until you wilt and comply.

    This new rise in left wing terrorism is different in that it derives endorsement from left-wing media, government institutions, learning institutions including universities and left wing political parties. Violent protests with cities on fire and people killed are noted as peaceful protests by the supporting media and the terrorist are even handed full control of some cities held by the political left, to ensure that any political opponents that might raise a voice of protest are silenced, including permanently if needed.

    The comparisons of the left wing terrorists with the supporters of Nazism are striking. The raised fist symbol sends a clear message they will use whatever violence is needed to silence those who oppose them and obtain victory by stealth.

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      OriginalSteve

      Well the simple reality is that from what I have been able to work out, its possible the silent majority will start dealing with looters and rioters directly, if Trump doesn’t send in troops soon and start putting down the current communist insurrection in americas cities.

      I also think its a dare by the Left….problem is, the Left has been given a leave pass by the media, whereby looting and rioting is “peaceful protest”. In one video clip I saw, the reporter says “its peaceful” as you watch a molotov cocktail arc across the screen….

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    Travis T. Jones

    Troublemaker Crashes Virtual Trump Rally

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpNVlkRaccM

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    Gordon

    Sounds like the Red Brigades all over again. For you people old enough to remember they were an Italian terrorist group that just wanted armed revolution. The only problem with that is you never know who or what is going to take over. You may get your armed revolution, but “they” may come for you.

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    Richard Jenkins

    Democrats cheat as proved by their determination to avoid vote registation rolls reviewed. Clinton probably did not even come close to winning the popular vote. Judicial Watch found that there are more names on the rolls than people eligible to vote in many states. San Diego is/was 140%. National average about 112%. Virginia has photo ID. They still had about 5000 illegal votes exposed by driver’s licence renewals. Some people even voted in 2 or 3 states. An ‘expert American’ stated on 3AW that claims that postal vote could lead to fraud was ridiculous and without evidence. His statement is untrue. The Democrats are advanced in their plans to steal this election. Joe Biden is ill and they know this old man will not survive! What then??? I am scared for the whole world. Freedom’s ‘Berlin wall’ is seriously threatened.

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      TdeF

      The mail in fraud by the Democrats is highly organized and professional. There are teams at work today. This amazing expose in the New York Times, of all places!

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        TdeF

        And after the last election there was a go fund me group in Michigan to pay for a review of fraud at the ballot box. They found plenty. Ballot boxes stuffed with thousands of Democrat votes where only hundreds voted. The judicial review was stopped. The fraud was all Democrat fraud.

        As for the ‘popular vote’ Trump won that handsomely too, until California was added. And how many illegal aliens voted and double voted in California? Who knows?

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      Maptram

      “Joe Biden is ill and they know this old man will not survive! What then???”

      If Joe Biden is elected and is unable to see out the four years, Kamala becomes president and nominates a VP who is voted in by both houses.

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    Stuart

    The fraud will be created by D operatives creating fake R votes. When Trump wins in a landslide the fake votes will be “discovered” and will discredit all the legitimate votes.

    The result will be chaos and violence, exactly what the D side wants.

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    OriginalSteve

    Jo, O/T but a real kicker for the “covid scare” crew….

    Official US CDC figures say 94% of deaths “from covid” are actually due to pre-existing medical conditions.

    Working the numbers, applying the same percentages, Victoriastan has only had 524 “covid deaths” to 30th August, so applying the correction factor of 524/100*6 = 31.44 deaths actually from covid.

    Flu killed 334 in 2019 in Victoria. So covid in real terms doesnt even cut it as dangerous.

    Boom…its a psyop….

    As such, it would seem logical that healthy people have nothing to fear and logically don’t need to be under lockdown.


    Summary here :

    https://fox8.com/news/coronavirus/new-cdc-report-shows-94-of-covid-19-deaths-in-us-had-underlying-
    medical-conditions/

    Official US CDC report here :

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm?fbclid=IwAR3-wrg3tTKK5-9tOHPGAHWFVO3DfslkJ0KsDEPQpWmPbKtp6EsoVV2Qs1Q

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      Lance

      Further on:

      Survival rates from covid are something like 99.7%. So, we’re freaking out over 0.3% of the population.

      Remdesevir gives someone already on ventilation, near death, a 30% advantage in survival.

      HCQ regimen + zinc and the Ivermectin treatments within the first 5 days of infection show a 100% survival rate, barring serious comorbidities.

      The proffered vaccines claim to be completely happy with a 70% effectiveness, but add that it might only confer a 6 month immunity.

      The testing thus far doesn’t differentiate between antibodies for the shell or spike protein, so nobody really knows what the tests mean, and they have a +/- 35% error rate in false negatives and false positives.

      Bill Gates, WHO, and Dr Fauci, all want a world wide vaccine program, with some demanding RFID Chip insertion or “Papers” as mandatory.

      The world has gone bat Sh!t crazy.

      There isn’t going to be a universal, permanent, vaccine, because the bugger mutates.
      But there are existing treatments.

      And all of this is aimed at protecting the 0.3% who can be treated and have visitation restricted.

      This scenario smacks of vested interests, power, control, and propaganda. Reality says the annual flu is worse.

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      Interesting interpretation of the data there OS. How do you reconcile your belief with the graphs here https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

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      Kalm Keith

      This was obvious right from the start.

      The first six Australian “CV19″ deaths.

      The U.S. hospital “bonus” system for treating CV19 cases as opposed to routine stuff.

      The New York family which suffered multiple CV19 deaths, when the family photo strongly, emphatically pointed to other issues.

      Money makes the world go round.

      KK

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      Peter Fitzroy

      Life is a pre-exsiting condition, there is no such animal as a 100% healthy human

      But you know that

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    JCalvertN(UK)

    The Democrats – especially the Joe/Kamala circus, are just waking up to the damage the Antifa/BLM violence has done to their ratings.
    So, they are hastening to take damage limitation measures in the form of some meagre token gestures and platitudes.
    Firstly, their token gestures and platitudes are too little too late.
    Secondly, their press allies (CNN, MSNBC, NYT WaPo etc.) continue to misreport the violence and devise complex (un)apologetics in support of it.
    I suspect that the crucial swinging part of the US electorate see CNN et al as an integral part of the Democratic Party. As long as CNN et al continue to excuse the violence, the electorate will see the Democrats as also excusing the violence.
    The Dems are like ‘The Gang That Couldn’t Shoot Straight’. They devised the Russia-gate ruse and it has backfired on them. Then they (and their allies in ‘the Resistance’) exploited the tragic Minneapolis Police Killing, by ramping-up legitimate protests into full-blown unwarranted riots – and that has backfired on them too.

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    Richard Jenkins

    If the Democrats get their postal vote in they will get both houses and the White house by fraud. May God help us? Biden will not survive and is only a puppet unable to think and can only read speechs written by others. On a rare public appearance Joe even read out a supposed question and the details of the journalist who was supposed to ask the question. This inadverntantly exposed his cognitive liability. No sane person could vote for this vp who is corrupt particularly in China and the Ukraine. As vp he and Obama must have endorsed the crooked Trump wiretapping, Russia gate and Clinton emails. We know how the Clintons work. What happened to Seth Rich and other strange deaths?

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    Peter Fitzroy

    So the right are crying that the left, besides getting killed (and by the right) are holding buildings hostage.

    however most of the violence is caused by the right

    A new database by the Center for Strategic and International studies analysed nearly 900 politically motivated plots and attacks in the US
    0 – Victims killed in anti-fascist attacks since 1994
    21 – Victims killed in left-wing violence since 2010
    95 – Victims killed in jihadist attacks since 2010
    117 – Victims killed in right-wing violence since 2010
    329 -Victims killed in right-wing violence since 1994

    And the right are now all but 100% guaranteed to be involved in terrorism

    Cry me a freaking river

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      Analitik

      What a great source – even the New York Times sees that the CSIS is in the pockets of corporate America!!

      https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/08/us/politics/think-tanks-research-and-corporate-lobbying.html?_r=0

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      R.B.

      Lies. Damn lie. Statistics. Fitzy posts.

      The Muslim who shot up a gay nightclub is labelled rightwing even though he claimed that he didn’t know it was gay. He just changed his target because the mall was too well guarded.

      Another right winger killed his two friends who mocked his Islamic faith.

      The vast majority of people that you deride do not vilify Israel, it’s more commonly coming from the left so it’s wrong to pigeon hole those wanting law and order with antisemitic crimes.

      Even those who target abortion clinics are unlikely to get sympathy from conservatives like rioters are from t he left.

      Have a good long look in the mirror, Fitzy.

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        Tel

        That CSIS article classifies anyone opposed to the US Federal Government as “right wing”.

        If you think that’s strange … they also classify anyone who supports a “decentralized social and political system” as left wing, even though this necessarily also implies being anti-government. In other words the system allows them to classify either way as it suits.

        You might be interested that the same CSIS classifies the civilian deaths in Yemen (a total of arguably up to 100,000 people if you count the secondary effects such as Cholera) as “unintended consequences” … because who knew that dropping bombs was likely to kill people?

        https://web.archive.org/web/20181025231515/https://www.csis.org/analysis/us-support-saudi-military-operations-yemen

        I have to quote this directly, given how hard it is to get your head around these things:

        Following the international outcry against Saudi Arabia’s aerial campaign in Yemen last year, Saudi Arabia reportedly invested $750 million in a training program through the U.S. military in helping mitigate civilian casualties. The United States may consider apportioning a greater percentage of its assistance portfolio to trainings such as these, as well as combined scenario-based planning and exercises for its security partners navigating complex civil-military environments. As another alternative, the United States could link new assistance to Saudi Arabia and its coalition partners in Yemen on positive steps taken to improve humanitarian access and its civilian harm mitigation strategies.

        There’s investment going on!!

        Golly! It’s all gonna be OK because we have this special training program that explains how you might get civilian casualties caused by bombing water treatment plants and food stores in a desert country where people otherwise can’t get food and water. With trainings like this … who needs Captain Obvious?!?

        It’s a bit of a pity that Peter Fitzroy doesn’t read the people he cites … but there’s always next time. I dunno, perhaps he genuinely supports this stuff? I believe he is more fool than knave, but willing to listen if anyone has a better explanation.

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    RoHa

    Jo, this used to be a solid climate science blog with an Australian perspective.

    Why are you wasting time on American idiots and their even more idiotic politicians? We can’t do anything about it.

    Please stick to the good stuff.

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      Kalm Keith

      Hi RoHa,

      Climate Science was certainly the nominal topic for this blog; however because of the reality behind that “Science” the blog is of necessity a blog about the intrusion of politics into science.

      The aim of Climate Science has always been to use the green, planet saving meme to subvert democracies into transferring massive amounts of money from consumers and taxpayers towards those who deem themselves to be our betters.

      One small but very public instance of the value of the CAGW meme was the allocation of AUD $444,000,000 to the Great Big Barrier Reef Foundation. This was notionally to enable discussions by the Elites on how to save the Reef.

      Ask Peter Ridd how that’s going.

      The basic science is that CO2 can do nothing to heat the planet, melt polar ice and produce massive sea level rise.

      Scientists who have the necessary qualifications can see the truth that CO2 cannot heat the atmosphere and so look to the driving force behind the story; a combination of political power mongering, greed, opportunism and self importance.

      There are many valuable roles to be had in the Global Warming drama and all are driven by the appearance of science and definitely not by real science itself.

      The point about looking at other political matters that involve manipulation of the masses is that in examining them we can see parallels in the methods used to create and sustain them and gain insight into the CAGW non-science.

      The results of this manipulation have been staggering.

      Europe has been enslaved by the EEU with devastating effect on the hard working “original” inhabitants.

      The western world, especially Australia, has been enslaved by the CO2 is bad nonsense.

      The western world has more recently been devastated by the Political handling of the CV19 Virus.
      The social devastation has barely been looked at but it is real and heartfelt; Lockdowns Break Countries Apart.

      Broken Lives Matter.

      KK

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        TdeF

        The parallels with corruption of science are also clear as the leading Medical journal Lancet published an obviously fake article debunking President Trump’s recommendation on HCQ. Now why would a leading medical journal knowingly deceive doctors around the world because of Trump? This corruption of science, meteorology and even medicine by politics is incredible but real. The ends justify the means for some.

        And the sudden appearance of (only black) slavery as an issue in the middle of a US election is beyond belief. So much for two world wars. What matters are African Americans and nobody else and nothing else. Except Australian ab*rigines perhaps. They weren’t enslaved but they are black and colour is all that matters in this new racism.

        The United States as we know it was formed in 1776 but after 1865 and the civil war expanded dramtically and eliminated slavery in the Confederate South. The Democrats were the political party of the slavers formed specifically to defend slavery and the KKK. It took a century to totally eliminate segregation though, which was social behavior not law. Except for States in the South under Democrat Governors including George Wallace of Alabama.

        Now the party of the KKK and AntiFA is accusing the party of Abraham Lincoln of supporting both slavery and climate extinction? No wonder ‘progressive’ universities do not want to teach history! Like the Lancet article, it is all the reverse of the truth. So called Race Justice and Climate Justice are ridiculous made up stories contradicted by the facts. And it is all about political power. You can fool some of the people all of the time seems to be the driving idea.

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          OriginalSteve

          A standard tactic as taught by Saul Akynski ( whose book was dedicated to Lucifer the Devil ) is to accuse your opposition of the very thing you are guilty of.

          Interestingly, in the New Testament, Jesus never attempted to debate with Lucifer…he just stated “it is written”.

          The Left mess people up with words, then later with violence it seems. However the Left seems to operate in a moral free zone, so debating with them is pointless.

          Likewise, in the USA the leftist anarchists are building functional gullotines in the street outside peoples houses.

          https://www.foxnews.com/us/amazon-jeff-bezos-guillotine-dc-protests

          I predict that once things get ugly, the righteous people need to apprehend and crush the anarchists, as you just cant debate with evil.

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            TdeF

            Yes, the AntiFA are the violent fascists against Trump, like the blackshirt and brownshirt thugs of Mussolini and Hitler. And overnight racism in BLM is their new cause, their justification, their excuse to burn, loot and murder but still claim the moral high ground.

            This is all with the tacit support of the Democrat party. And the millionaire black athletes are sucked right in, throwing away their rich careers to support racist violence. Attendances and views are dropping like stones as ultra successful black athletes take the knee. Like Hollywood, useful idiots for the Democrats and KKK and supported and encouraged by all the leading black politicians.

            Then you get the ‘largely peaceful’ protests, apart from, the burn, loot and murder bits. And if you don’t count the dead and injured and destroyed property and looting. And the Democrats are quick to add that it is all Donald Trump’s fault.

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      Peter Fitzroy

      Thsi is an entertainment blog, there is no science, nor balance – it is a window to the right’s mindset

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        TdeF

        I thought you were the balance. What about some science and some balance?

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        Graeme No.3

        Well Peter, you invited yourself here. If you don’t like it you can find a lot of sites that will agree with your views (and don’t allow any others).

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    beowulf

    Antifa/BLM rioters need your help. If you can spare a hundred or two, Kamala Harris has made a plea to donate it to the Minnesota Freedom Fund to bail out Antifa thugs.
    https://twitter.com/KamalaHarris/status/1267555018128965643

    There is a hitch. MFF has already raised $20million and is redirecting donations to other like-minded organisations.
    https://www.vogue.com/article/how-to-help-bail-out-george-floyd-protestors

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      Curious George

      A great way to spend the coronavirus bonus.

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      GD

      Kamala Harris has made a plea to donate it to the Minnesota Freedom Fund to bail out Antifa thugs

      When Trump legislates that Antifa is a terrorist organisation, that would preclude Kamala Harris from taking the VP job.

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