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    RicDre

    More proof that Australia has its priorities in order:

    Coronavirus Down Under: Australia Sends Emergency Beer Convoys to Outback Pubs

    https://www.breitbart.com/health/2020/05/08/coronavirus-down-under-australia-sends-emergency-beer-convoys-to-outback-pubs/

    Hopefully my local grocery store will soon be receiving new shipments of Bundaberg Ginger Beer (I’d like to buy the Bundaberg Rum but sadly it is not sold here in the US 🙁 )

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    RicDre

    And from the “We’ll all be rooned” files:

    New Scientist: Global Warming has Already Made Parts of the World Unsurvivably Hot

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/05/09/new-scientist-global-warming-has-already-made-parts-of-the-world-unsurvivably-hot/

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      Salome

      I have always considered most of the world to be unsurvivably hot, but most people I know are always complaining about the cold.

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      Jonesy

      No, we have much to thank Dr Carrier for perfect refrigeration cycle air conditioning. His work ALLOWED domestic bliss to invade the most harshest climates on the planet. Cheap electricity and air conditioning, the two most successful inventions of the modern age

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      Jonesy

      No, we have much to thank Dr Carrier for perfect refrigeration cycle air conditioning. His work ALLOWED domestic bliss to invade the most harshest climates on the planet. Cheap electricity and air conditioning, the two most successful inventions of the modern age

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      STJOHNOFGRAFTON

      New Scientist aka New Scientism: Plenty of taxpayer funded grants and the ‘science’ is settled. With real science, scepticism governs the scientific method, but no grants.

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        Bill In Oz

        New Scientist this week
        “Mathematics tells us the Universe is conscious”
        More models I suspect. I did not buy ii.
        Too sciency !

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      yarpos

      When you read it they appear to be calling a cool day in Singpapore, KL and Jakarta unsurvivable

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      Graeme No.3

      This is B.S.
      I spent 6 weeks in Fiji in summer and it got to 35℃ and 90% humidity. Unpleasant, but I survived. So did everyone else.

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      GD

      Global Warming has already made parts of the world unsurvivably hot

      Like where? Like nowhere. Absolute garbage reporting.

      If you’ve got any spare hot, please send it to Victoria, Australia.

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      Peter C

      Rick,

      You must have been lonely at home to have grabbed all the top spots on this thread.

      On this topic”

      Mexico’s president has made no secret of his attitude to renewable energy, which could be called condescending. In a late March tweet, the Mexican president called wind turbines “fans”, saying they didn’t produce much energy. He proceeded to reportedly say that the government will stop issuing permits for new wind projects that interfere with the environment and cause “visual pollution”. Other reports of the same tweet said Obrador also downplayed the amount of electricity wind farms produce and said the companies that build them were private businesses that needed to be subsidized. In short, one could safely say AMLO is not a fan of… fans.

      Mexico’s president Obrador is remarkably on top of this wind power scam.

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    RicDre

    Former Aussie PM Malcolm Turnbull: “When is physics going to mug political complacency and [Climate] denialism?”

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/05/08/former-aussie-pm-turnbull-when-is-physics-going-to-mug-political-complacency-and-climate-denialism/

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      James Poulos

      Ah yes, Malcolm Turnbull, quite possibly the biggest, most aggressively fervent, and dedicated ‘Merchant Banker’ of all times.

      I wouldn’t be surprised if he had a small, pathetically limp and clammy hand, in schemes to help the sale of renewable energy contracts…

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        Kalm Keith

        Yes, but there are other ways of showing contempt for the Australian voters.

        That’s it.

        Put a 1% deposit down on twenty or so out of date submarines with payment date due long after you have set up permanent residence near New York’s Central park. Lovely spot.

        Stick that in your pipe and smoke it, ‘Straya.

        Never before in the field of human politics has so much contempt been displayed by so few for so many.

        KK

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        James Poulos

        … or the refugee deal he did with Obama just before Mr Trump’s inauguration.

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        Annie

        @ James Poulos #6.1 The headmistress of my secondary school, a convent school, had a handshake we described as s sockful of cold porridge.

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        clivehoskin

        His son is hugely invested in renewables.He’s based in Hong Kong I think and a big pain in the ass just like his dad.

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      RickWill

      So-called “renewables” are a Turnbull family money spinner:
      https://www.theage.com.au/national/cbd-melbourne-a-peek-over-alex-s-hedge-fund-20190124-p50th8.html

      The family are deep into the scam. The problem is that the subsidies are sliding so income from existing assets is reduced and the prospect of more intermittents is less likely. Without increased target for intermittent generation, the subsidies will soon be zero. The current price of LGCs is AUD32. The 2021 forward price is AUD15. Just a fraction of the peak of AUD90 back in 2016.

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      Annie

      Turnbull is a physicist is he?

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      Serp

      Malcolm with his gimcrack WEF vocabulary is fast sliding towards becoming a pathetic figure in the public mind –oddly reminiscent of Jim Cairns selling his remaindered books at Prahran Market.

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      yarpos

      Bet he had to spell check physics

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    RicDre

    A miraculous turn of events

    From the article:

    Guest post by Paul Driessen

    Never in my wildest dreams did I envision a day when I’d agree with anything filmmaker Michael Moore said – much less that he would agree with me.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/05/08/a-miraculous-turn-of-events/

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    dinn, rob

    It must be understood that only the right doors will lead into the chamber of the common good. https://balance10.blogspot.com/2020/05/it-must-be-understood-that-only-right.html

    “Um, anything that would go against World Health Organization” -Wojcicki, CEO of youtube
    https://balance10.blogspot.com/2020/05/um-anything-that-would-go-against-world.html

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    RicDre

    Time to buy more beer and stock up on popcorn, this could get interesting:

    Tesla prepared to move out of California amid fight over factory shutdown, Musk tweets

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/09/elon-musk-says-tesla-will-move-its-headquarters-amid-fremont-factory-shutdown-due-to-coronavirus.html

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      yarpos

      From what I read it makes sense for any business to move out of California, this may just be the cover they need.

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      beowulf

      And congratulations to Elon and partner for their new baby, dear little “X Æ A-12”, which is a boy girl boy indeterminate space-child.

      As its mother explained:
      “X, the unknown variable.
      “Æ, my elven spelling of Ai (love &/or Artificial intelligence).
      “A-12 = precursor to SR-17 (our favorite aircraft). No weapons, no defenses, just speed. Great in battle, but non-violent + (A=Archangel, my favorite song).”

      So there, now it all makes complete sense.

      Unfortunately California law bans symbols in names, which may only contain the 26 letters of the (non-Elven) alphabet, so Elon will have to come up with a less ludicrous name. What a pity.

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    Travis T. Jones

    I concur …

    3 times Michael Moore’s film Planet of the Humans gets the facts wrong (and 3 times it gets them right)

    What does the film get right?

    1. We need to deal with population growth
    The film observes that population growth is the elephant in the room when it comes to [global warming].
    It says politicians are reluctant to talk about limits to population growth “because that would be bad for business”.

    https://theconversation.com/3-times-michael-moores-film-planet-of-the-humans-gets-the-facts-wrong-and-3-times-it-gets-them-right-137890

    Quite so.

    If only the people who believe in failed UN doomsday global warming saw their doctor for an assisted suicide note, the planet would be saved by now.

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      Greg in NZ

      “If only the people who believe . . . ”

      Pharisees lead by example ? ? ?

      P’tew!

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      yarpos

      If population growth is the problem he should focus on Africa then, or would that be racist?

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        Graeme No.3

        yarpos:
        That’s what they want. Distracts from people asking what is the most densely populated continent? HINT: the one which millions of people are trying to get into.

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      RickWill

      Rapid population decline will be the challenge for most countries. Like much of what comes out of the UN, their forecasts for population growth are dated and just WRONG.

      There is not a single developed country that has enough births to sustain their current populations. Any population growth comes from immigration.

      China has a fertility rate of 1.68, a long way below the 2.1 needed to grow without increasing average age. There is not much head room on life expectancy now as that is close to developed countries.

      Japan has a birth rate of 7.4/1000 in 2019 and a death rate of 10.7/1000. Their kids will inherit a great slice of global wealth.

      The vast majority of people carrying debt fear interest rates going up. Reality is that interest rates are gradually going negative. ECB, covering the entire EU, has negative interest rates. Japan has negative interest rates. In Denmark you can get a home mortgage at MINUS 0.5%.

      This fundamental change in finance is the result of an ageing population with propensity to save greater than propensity to spend.

      You might think that I left out India – well it has a fertility rate of 2.2 – just above what is needed to sustain current population. But it is continuing to slide.

      One that surprised me is Bangladesh. Fertility rate just 2. Not enough to sustain current population without increasing average age.

      There is still population growth in Africa. Sub-saharan countries have fertility rates around 4. South Africa is 2.4.

      The global population reached peak children around 2000. The only contributor to increasing population is life expectancy. The globe will reach peak population between 2030 to 2050 providing there is no global pandemic that takes out a good number of the existing population. Sweden has a strategy at present that should reduce their life expectancy by a year or two.

      The life expectancy in the USA has declined since 2015.

      By far the best way to limit population is to educate girls and young women. Give them control over what they do with their bodies. Not many choose to be breeders for the entire time they are fertile.

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        James Murphy

        I think it’s a mistake to refer to China as anything but ‘developed’. They successfully play that card whenever they need to, but look at the increasing size and wealth of their ‘middle class’, their infrastructure, their economy, their spending on some extremely high tech stuff, including their satellite and rocket technology.

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          RickWill

          Life expectancy in China is 74.67 years. Japan is 84 years. Australia is 82.5 years. They still have a good distance to go before I classify them as developed.

          USA could be classed as a developed country but life expectancy is only 78.5 years. Not significantly higher than China. But then armed Chinese do not wander into shopping centres and mow down the shoppers. Life expectancy has fallen in the US for the last 5 years; you could almost guarantee 2020 will not be an exception to that trend. CV19 related deaths is already more than the combined annual gun related deaths and road deaths.

          This reminds me of my school days – Many decades ago I was in the school debating team with a the topic “USA is dying”. We were affirmative.so our first speaker went first and made a good opening about the day in US society. The negative speaker came out to make their case that the US was not dying but “dead”. This was clever – I was the second affirmative speaker and had to adjust my presentation to define the line between dead and dying. We lost the debate due to the negative team’s strategy. Anyhow the US is still powering on and will certainly survive CV19 but I think it has rattled POTUS Trump and the scavengers are circling. So far he has avoided actually hosting the virus but some really close shaves this week.

          US senate has 70 senators over 60yo so all in high risk category. You have to expect it will get some of them.

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            Peter C

            Brilliant shift by your debating opponents! Hard to re adjust.

            I hope Donald Trump does not get the virus, and if he does it is not serious.
            There have not been a lot of Presidents like him. I think his contribution has been far more good than bad.

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            yarpos

            China is very much a well developed country, for a couple of hundred million of the population. The rest dont matter as long as they can be controlled.

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    Another Ian

    “Uncommon Cold Doesn’t Break the Rules”

    “I’ve done a bit of work on COVID vs latitude. ”

    https://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2020/05/04/uncommon-cold-doesnt-break-the-rules/

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    Travis T. Jones

    UK faces worst recession in 300 years

    The Bank of England has warned the coronavirus crisis is pushing the economy toward its sharpest recession since the Great Frost in 1709.

    https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6155072601001

    Wait. What?

    >> – Worst year since “Great Frost in 1709” according to Bank of England.
    That would be in the “Little Ice Age”.
    “Climate experts” say climate was perfect & stable in 1709 and we should return to those days … average lifespan 35 yo.

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      TdeF

      A bit silly when prior to the Glorious Revolution of 1688, England had a feudal economy. You couldn’t have a recession. No one was paid. At least they didn’t even have inflation.

      No government bonds, no bank notes, no stock exchange, no chancellor of the exchequer. These all just arrived with the Dutch invasion of William and Mary. And the steam engine had just been invented. The wonders of coal. And coke for making steel, not cast iron.

      And thereafter the economy boomed. Nothing to do with the Great Frost. As you say, the whole of Europe was frozen.

      Australia and the UK and the US are not out of work in a great recession. We have just take a few weeks off. Or conversely we have a massive recession every Christmas/New Year and summer holiday.

      The big question is whether Europe can afford go on summer vacation for six weeks?

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        Bill In Oz

        The great recession of 109
        Was I think ( from memory )
        Due to the busting of the Great South Seas share market bubble’.

        But there was an earlier huge economic recession
        – in the Netherlands
        When the Tulip bubble burst !
        🙂

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          Graeme No.3

          Sorry, Bill but that is Fake News.

          The Tulip bubble burst well before in 1637. The South Sea Bubble in 1720.
          Your memory is failing, take 2 glasses of Malbec before retiring.

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            Bill In Oz

            So Graeme the great economic Tulip bubble bust happened in 1639.
            Goodoh.. But it certainly was a big bust…

            And there was there great South Seas bubble bust in 1720.

            And the 1709 one…Well this is what happened
            “Temperatures plummeted on 5 January, bringing with it the worst winter in 500 years and freezing over several countries, including France, England and Russia.

            The ‘Great Frost’, as it came to be known, lasted for three months and sparked food shortages, thousands of deaths in France, and a huge deficit to the economy. ”

            In other words a natural disaster..Much like this current pandemic..
            Interesting !

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      RickWill

      It is all sorted. By end of May, maybe early June, there will be a plan to self-isolate arrivals to the UK! Better 5 months late than never. Of course, it will rely on the arrivals actually self-isolating; Australia knows how well that works!

      What a thorough mess. Ball dropped completely on the #1 priority to control the spread of CV19 by keeping borders open.

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      toorightmate

      I think Australia also had a pretty bad recession in 1709.

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    Travis T. Jones

    But, but … renewables are clean energy …

    “Ms Palaszczuk said “new economy minerals” such as copper, cobalt, zinc and lithium, which are needed to build wind turbines, solar panels and batteries, could boost the state’s mining sector and lead to new manufacturing jobs.”

    https://www.watoday.com.au/politics/federal/renewable-power-to-boom-on-cheap-money-as-coal-loses-out-garnaut-says-20200506-p54qdt.html

    Thank you, fossil fuels.

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    Rafe Champion

    A reminder that the power system in the East of Australia if not the smug and pampered West is on the brink of disaster in three years if we lose another coal-fired power station with the planned closure of Liddell. https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/04/30/australian-energy-security-on-the-brink/

    It is a bit like the Muddle-Headed Womat doing energy policy! http://catallaxyfiles.com/2020/04/21/the-muddle-headed-wombat-does-energy-policy/

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      yarpos

      Three years Rafe? that means we have at least 2 years to dither, ignore and virtue signal. Then panic will set in and nothing of value will be possible in the remaining time. This will necessitate excessive expenditure on expensive band aid solutions , but will be presented by the Government as decisive actions require to “save” the State from the self inflicted chaos.

      As per SA, I suggest you look at the next election date for a guide to when anything at all will happen.

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      Graeme#4

      The main reason for WA smugness is that we are not connected to the “National” grid, thankfully.

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    To rebuild our economy we need new export comodities and markets. Can we sell vacuum pack freeze dried cane toads to the markets in China?

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      Kalm Keith

      An excellent idea.

      A bit like those Japanese seafood items that need careful preparation.

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      yarpos

      No that would imply local added value, thats not what we do. The push would be for live cane toad exports, and wouldnt that be a fun ship to be on?

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      sophocles

      Careful with the labelling, though Gary.
      “Sugarcane Bunnies” or something similar… with a recipe printed on every pack.

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      el gordo

      We could corner the market.

      ‘Researchers at the University of Queensland have discovered that cane toad venom is effective in fighting cancer, with the potency rivalling that of toads found in Asia that are used in Chinese traditional medicine.’

      Guardian

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    There is still no evidence that lockdowns achieve anything other than killing the economy. All else is supposition.

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      TdeF

      The economy is not dead! It’s working just fine. Australia’s massive exports are breaking records. No one is starving. The supermarkets are full. As a country we have never earned so much at such a great exchange rate, spent so little. We might pull back that appalling balance of payments. And two million Australians have not gone overseas. It’s tough for some.

      It’s a point of view, not a disaster. We are all taking a break. At home.

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        TdeF

        And Morrison’s Job Keeper is working. And many public servants are working. Centre Link has never been so busy.

        In the US, Trump’s schemes are cutting in to provide cheap loans to businesses to tide them over. All sorts of deals are being done.

        I cannot imagine what people went through in WWII, but most did not have the standard of living of today’s people, the cars, the big screen TVs, the heating and cooling, the telecommuting and the sheer luxury of modern life. I suppose being threatened with annihilation or subjugation by the Axis forces tends to focus the mind on priorities, not shopping.

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          Centrelink, deals, JobKeeper, cheap loans – those are all outcomes of a dying economy. For it the economy weren’t dying, what would be the need of them? An economy dies when production ceases. In our case, production has taken a massive dive. But you get side tracked – all this for what? I repeat: there is no evidence that lockdowns are effective in getting us through the pandemic.

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            Bill In Oz

            Ummm
            1 : You are denying the facts on the effect of lockdown on the spread of the virus in Australia and New Zealand David.. That betrays either an inability to know or understand the facts OR a need to deny the facts for motives which you are concealing from us.

            2: Some aspects of the economy are in recession. ( Services, hospitality, tourism, airlines ) Some aspects are booming : any industry which produces products which are used at home. Plant nurseries being an odd unexpected example. Hardwares, Supermarkets. etc Exports are booming and our imports have lessoned.. So I expect we will survive better than many other countries. And as the states lesson the lock down restrictions, the services & cafe/restaurant side of the economy will once again regain customers. Old habits do not change overnight.

            But I suggest do not invest in companies dealing in International tourism and airlines. Their future is grim. Virgin is dead. ut then it was . a high dead laden operation. At the first major wave it was ready to roll over. Folks do not and to get sick & die from anew incurable disease for which there is no vaccine because of going on a holiday. Ditto the cruise industry.

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            RickWill

            David asked:

            But you get side tracked – all this for what?

            To avoid chaos and complete economic collapse. It was already happening with “irrational” buying of basic necessities before the lockdown was implemented. Just think back 8 weeks and consider what was going on in supermarkets – it was already chaos. There were actually fist fights over toilet paper!

            Number infected was doubling every 3 days. Anyone in contact with others in the last two months would now have had the virus. About 1.5% of all Australians (375k) would be dead or at deaths door. The supply chains for essentials would be broken. Services like energy, water and sewerage would be at risk.

            People hold up the situation in Sweden as the gold standard in how to manage a virus. As of today there are 3220 dead. So far 5 bars have been closed because they did not follow the rules. Aged care facilities are banning all visitors. Life is anything but normal. People are restricted to gatherings of 50 people. Parents are not permitted to home school for fear of a hefty fine. Children 16yo and above are not permitted to go to school. This will need to go on for years. They are not eradicating the virus.

            Taiwan IS the gold standard. Closed borders with China in January. Implemented their contact tracing plan and eradicated the virus spread in a matter of days. Total 440 cases and 6 deaths. Near zero economic impact.

            Australia not even close to Taiwan but light years ahead of Sweden. Australians will be able to move freely within their States next week. Within a month between States and maybe to virus free overseas destinations. Will not be back to normal but much better than Sweden with no light in sight.

            Sweden officials are claiming that they are building herd immunity; all based on a dodgy antibody test. Meanwhile they are locked in to losing 80 people a day for the foreseeable future.

            The children in Spain were permitted outside this week after 6 weeks locked up indoors. Spain has demonstrated an impressive decline in the number of cases and deaths due to severe restrictions on movement. They can now ease restrictions with some confidence.

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              Bill In Oz

              Wonderful for all consumers MP
              It will fuel a boom with such low prices.

              As we are importers of crude oil
              Things could not be better !

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                MP

                Its going up, you know the V shaped recovery.

                Do you understand how trends work, if not, ask Bill.

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                Bill In Oz

                PS : There has been a general global over production since 2015.
                OPEC & Russia tried for 2-3 years to maintain prices by reducing production.

                But that deal has come undone.
                Huge production with now very global low consumption
                And hardly any storage capacity left…
                Wonderful for us in SA.
                Low fuel prices and we are now able to go visit regional areas etc.
                All good !

                But not if you have money in oil shares, eh MP ?

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                MP

                No skin in the game.

                Up is up, you are living 5 years behind the times.

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            Bill In Oz

            That’s a very short term chart.
            Only from June last year.
            What does the longer term chart show ?
            And as I noted above the A$ has dropped substantially over the past 8 months.
            So that low US$53.00 is not a big hit in A$ terms.

            If you are employed in an export focused coal miner
            Yes you should worry MP.
            But think for a moment…
            The Chinese economy is now re-opening & so apparently is the USA
            So I think demand will rise and so will prices per metric tonne.

            It would be interesting to know which type of coal was affected.
            Steel making coal or power station coal.
            They are differnt grades usually attracting different sale prices on the export markets.

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              MP

              I am (was) employed in the mining industry, I follow prices as it is an indicator of opportunity, when prices go up expansion progresses.
              Google, Metallurgical coal for steel making, Coking coal for other.
              At the bottom of the trend is 1Y, 5Y, 10Y. But the only relevance from my perspective is this year.

              Mining companies run their books in US dollars, the Au dollar goes down the operating costs go up as everything imported goes up, most operations run 100%, 100% of the time (-DT) there is no room for production increases as no one wants extracted metals sitting at their processing plants or warves. Costs a lot of $ just to get the stuff out of the ground.

              A lot of gambling goes into metal sales forecasting.

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                RickWill

                Mining companies run their books in US dollars,

                But they pay Australians in AUD. Their energy costs are way down. Shipping costs are way down

                Iron ore price has not dropped in USD terms.

                BHP had a sterling third quarter:
                https://www.fool.com.au/2020/04/21/bhp-share-price-on-watch-after-strong-third-quarter-update/

                In addition to this, BHP achieved record production at Western Australia Iron Ore (WAIO) and Caval Ridge. And over in Chile, record average concentrator throughput was delivered at the Escondida project and record ore was stacked at Spence. This means iron ore production is on target in FY 2020, which is a big positive given the high prices it is commanding.

                Anyone who puts up a zinc price showing it at USD2003/t thinking it is bad news has not got much idea of metal prices. Last time it was this low was in Jan 2017 – wow. It was a tough business when zinc price was USD690 and USD1 was buying just AUD1.3.

                The things that are shut down in Australia will have a positive impact on the balance of trade. The current account was doing well before the shutdown but it will be even stronger after shutdown.

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                Alan

                Mmmm

                Google, Metallurgical coal for steel making, Coking coal for other.

                Basically Coking coal = metallurgical coal
                Other = thermal coal, big difference in the both the coal properties and the $ value

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                MP

                Sorry, yes Alan

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                MP

                Spence is just commissioning their process plant now, everyday will hopefully be a record. low grades high tonnage, it was touch and go feasible. Lots of magic went into the numbers and design to get it across the line.
                I am actually supposed to be there now, but alas I am here.

                More metal into the market.

                All you keyboard economists, the RBA just extended there flat projection until 2022.

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                toorightmate

                MP,
                There is only one reason why the iron ore and coal contracts are in US$.
                When these projects were being developed, Australian financiers (particularly banks) would NOT provide any loan finance. They have always regarded resource projects as too risky.
                The overseas lenders (particularly Bank of America) were adamant that the sales contracts would be in US$ – and you cant blame them.
                This was the activity of the early 1960s when the Bowen Basin and Pilbara were being developed. Same thing soon after for Weipa, Darling Range, Bougainville Copper, Kambalda, etc.
                Australians and Australian banks have been pathetic at supporting resource projects. Yet we Aussies are always first to scream and grizzle about foreign ownership and offshore processing.
                Put your money where your mouth is.

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        MP

        “Centre Link has never been so busy”. This is an indication of a booming economy?

        https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/zinc

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          Bill In Oz

          Zinc prices ?
          Over one year ?
          Are you saying categorically that they are an indication of a depressed economy ?
          That’s a bit way out MP.

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            MP

            Wake up Bill, extend the trend for more useless numbers if you require so you can do absolutely nothing with them.
            The price 10 years ago is totally irrelevant to the present, Metal was, is, and will always be supply and demand as the main driver.
            Yes the price drop is an indication of a depressed world economy, go figure!

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          Bill In Oz

          Copper prices…Ummmm
          Again Short term chart from June last year to April this year.

          Are you in the metal market buying & selling game MP ?
          If so it looks like you may have taken a hammering over the past 5 months.

          Could you be seeing the all of this through the lens of your personal interest ?
          Rather than what’s good for the country & our people as a whole ?

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            MP

            Wake up Bill, Do you just make this Sh#t up as you go along.
            Au & Ag is the only metal that I have money in the game for. You only lose if you sell for less then you buy.

            Do your own research, sick of spoon feeding you.

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              TdeF

              I think your view is profits on trading, speculation, even arbitrage. That’s about the profitability of the mining companies, not the country.

              What matters to the country is not speculation but total dollars in from mining royalties and taxes and payroll taxes with 200,000 employees. It costs the country nothing and all the money which flows is money we would not otherwise see. What individual mining companies do to make money is a very different proposition involving risk, speculation, huge capital investments and can be hairy business.

              That is quite irrelevant to whether the country is earning an income from royalties on exports, taxes on wages. Even if the mining industry makes a loss, the Australian government (that’s us) makes a lot, $32Billion in company tax($20Bn), mining royalties ($12Bn) and then the tax on all the PAYE wages on 200,000 workers who are flat out at the moment. The total was $71Billion in 2018 and may reach $100Bn this year. That’s a quarter of the National taxation income and a lot of jobs which are secure in these hard times.

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                TdeF

                And when you look at the average wage in the mining business of $123,000 you have $25Billion which stays in the country and pays for a lot of food, housing, mortgages, cars, etc.

                My point is that when you add all the primary industries from sugar to wheat to wool to minerals, our exports are booming and our depressed dollar is pumping real cash into these sectors. As we are not a manufacturer, costs are in $US but with the crisis in consumption, prices are dropping too.

                There is a lot of good news. If you want to speculate in gold and silver, good luck to you. That’s margin trading. As a country we need to sell more uranium and develop a market for our huge reserves of Thorium. Which is why we should be investing in such R&D as a replacement for fossil fuels. Not because they are running out or CO2 is a problem but because they will run out and we need them for other things than fuel.

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                MP

                Its all about the profitability of mining companies, everything you list is about the extractive industries profitability. Remember the mining bust not that long ago.
                If you can’t sell it you leave it in the hole until you can. Everything works on margins, cost to produce V sell, when they invert you stop producing.

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                TdeF

                The ideal is profits, after you pay mining royalties, payroll taxes, fuel taxes, leases and then if you do make a profit, income taxes. And wages. But the reason miners get into the business is that the profits can be huge too and you can shuffle them around internationally. All that is irrelevant.

                Sure, if no one wants coal or iron ore, they stop. At the moment Australia and Indonesia are the biggest exporters of coal in the world. And that demand is accelerating.

                By all means play the market. Nothing to do with the subject, which is the health of the Australian economy in the shut down.

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                MP

                Yes they get into the business when the cost of production is profitable, when cost of production increases and the commodity price decreases it squeezes the profitability, first they wind back production to restrict the volume of metal into the market and (try)keep prices up, then they stop.
                In the last 20 years I have been through two busts. The economy is not an instant mover and to call it is foolish when everyone is locked indoors.
                There is a serious amount of marginal mines in Australia that were just hanging in.

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                Geoff Sherrington

                TdeF,
                Take a lesson from one who has done it successfully.
                It is not a hairy business. It pivots on application of hard science, logic and common sense. Plus a dash of accountability, like if you fail you go to drive a cab. All factors not highlighted in typical bureaucracies.
                Please do not rabbit on with theories you invent to make a point. Geoff S

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                Red thumb! Fer Bill. 🙁

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                TdeF

                The relevant issue in context is not the profitability of the sector or the success of individual participants but the fact that it has not had a downturn during the National crisis.

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              Bill In Oz

              And what about your nonsensical sh#t MP.
              Let’s speak truth
              My gut says you are in the market buying & selling metals & oil.
              And you have personally lost big time.
              Well I think so bloody what ?
              That’s the market you trade in..Swings & roundabouts
              Stop wingeing
              Man up for god’s sake
              And take it on the chin.
              Write it off on your tax if you want.
              But do not come wingeing here about the ‘economy’
              When the globe is in the mist of an infectious disease pandemic.

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        Annie

        Actually, our local supermarket is pretty low on some supplies, like flour, pasta, and rice. Eggs and paper products are still very limited. Last week dairy was in very short supply but plenty on Friday. Fresh fruit and vegs are fine atm.

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          Annie

          A local cafe is selling the organic eggs they would normally use in their catering.

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            Bill In Oz

            The time to panic is when KFC & Macca’s run out
            Of fries, Chicken & burgers.

            That would cause a revolution !
            🙂

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              RicDre

              “The time to panic is when KFC & Macca’s run out
              Of fries, Chicken & burgers.”

              The Wendy’s hamburger chain here in the US has announced that some of their locations have run out of beef and have temporarily removed hamburgers from their menus. They are still selling Chili Con Carne however…it makes wonder what the “Con Carne” part is made from.

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                yarpos

                whatever was in those giant cans with no use by date

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                TdeF

                A great time for Bill Gates meatless meat?

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                Annie

                Yukky, meatless meat…bleurrgh! 🙁

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                Environment Skeptic


                had the saltiest vegetable burger ever at maccas today and it caused me to have to use an entire bottle of Pinot Noir to wash it down…good grief…how much salt is enough?
                The Rebel Burger from HJ’s is not so salty.

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                Lucky

                Wendys in the US have run out of beef for hamburgers.

                Reason- there was an outbreak of ccp19 in a big packing plant, the plant had to close. Wendys policy is to buy only US beef, they will not buy Australian beef, that is the reason for the shortage.
                Not grass fed v. grain fed, nationalism.

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              sophocles

              Bill in Oz claimed:

              The time to panic is when KFC & Macca’s run out
              Of fries, Chicken & burgers.”

              Nah, they’d just substitute hot greasy cardboard. Nobody would notice, unless they looked really closely. They certainly wouldn’t be able to tell from flavour because that wouldn’t have changed at all…

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          JanEarth

          Annie

          Actually, our local supermarket is pretty low on some supplies, like flour, pasta, and rice

          that’s a shame.

          Things are back to normal here in SA. No shortages in any real food ( as opposed to factory food) and Toilet rolls are back in normal quantities. No trouble getting eggs at any stage in this crisis.

          The only thing I can’t lay my hands on is Isopropyl alcohol. I use a lot of it for various purposes but no one stocks it anymore. I did check and this is probably due to the fact the factory that produces it in Oz is selling it to hand sanitiser producers.

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      RicDre

      “There is still no evidence that lockdowns achieve anything other than killing the economy”

      Two-thirds of New York COVID-19 patients were sheltering in place!

      https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/05/09/two-thirds-of-new-york-covid-19-patients-were-sheltering-in-place/

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        Bright Red

        If this is correct then an immediate rethink of the house arrest method of control needs to be done ASAP. But it seems changing their minds as new data presents itself is not in a politicians or chief medical officers strong point. In fact they all seem intent on proving they were right with their first call at any cost to everyone but them.

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        Lucky

        The inference is not proven-
        that demographic is likely to be elderly, overweight and deficient in vit D ,etc.

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    Travis T. Jones

    RIP Little Richard.

    His autobiography is a rip-roaring read.

    I love this quote from his mother, advising him on his many love-life decisions:

    “If you think the grass is greener on the other side of the fence, it is just as hard to mow.”

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/876172.The_Life_and_Times_of_Little_Richard

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    Yonniestone

    Happy Mothers Day to the brave women that dared to defy the laws of physics, our nation respects your rights to choose freely , marriage, education, employment, religion, politics, travel, protest……….oops https://twitter.com/OzraeliAvi/status/1259081832085090305?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1259081832085090305&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thegatewaypundit.com%2F2020%2F05%2Fleave-mummy-alone-shock-video-shows-mother-arrested-screaming-child-ripped-arms-sidney-police-violating-lockdown-order%2F

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      greggg

      Totalitarianism poses a bigger threat than the virus does.

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      Annie

      Saw that on Outsiders this morning; disgraceful behaviour by the police. That poor child. On the other hand, why take a little one to a protest?

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    cedarhill

    And for the engineers and numbers people, Ivor Cummings has a look at all cause mortality:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXJSJbzelJ8

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      Bright Red

      Good to see somebody looking at the big picture. Now if he looked at “life years lost” We would get an even better picture of overall effect.
      He also showed a graph that had an age split in it but failed to mention CV is a disease of the old and show his projection appropriately rather than show the total added on in both charts which made the projections visually more alarming.

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        TdeF

        Let run wild, it will mutate rapidly from a huge base and the next Wu Flu mutation will kill a different sector, like say babies. That’s what happens, which is why there are new vaccines every year against the other corona virus, the flu.

        It’s time we made a stand and stopped these viruses from become established.

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          Bright Red

          “It’s time we made a stand and stopped these viruses from become established.”

          Speak for yourself and feel free to remain under your bed as long as CV19 exists or any virus for that matter. This virus is established and out of the box. It is just another of many that have come before it. Had CV19 been in 1960 we would not have been too concerned. Less old people around for it to take due to shorter lifespans and a media that presented actual facts rather then hyperventilating and using scare tactics to achieve their socialist objectives.
          You have no evidence that it has mutated or will mutate to kill babies. You are just scaremongering.

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            RickWill

            You have no evidence that it has mutated or will mutate to kill babies. You are just scaremongering.

            COVID19 is a NOVEL virus. NOVEL means new; there is no history of the impact this NEW virus has on the human body. All those kids who get infected may have zero or mild symptoms now. What happens in two years, ten years or 40 years? You know what – we do not know. This is a NEW virus. We will know in 40 years.

            What we know now is that it kills old people quite effectively. 60% of Swedes going to hospital come out alive; the other 40% are dead. In the USA 70% come out alive; the other 30% are dead. These are not trivial numbers when Sweden has 600 new cases every day and US has 25k new cases every day.

            Those locations with high death toll are beginning to record toxic shock deaths in children of all ages. Who knows what the long term effects are on general health. After all it is a NEW virus in humans.

            Any location can deprive the virus of hosts within a month and eradicate it once the last person infected recovers or passes away. Then the risk has gone FOREVER. Taiwan has not had a death since 10 April.

            The dumb approach would be to live with it for years, with population constantly fearing they may contract it and pass it on.

            I can envisgae WUWT still having silly people making silly posts on CV16 this time next year. I expect the topic will fade on this blog as Australia goes back to normal business in just a few weeks, as the risk of contracting CV19 diminishes.

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              Aaron Christiansen

              60% of Swedes going to hospital come out alive; the other 40% are dead

              I be blinking at the lack of your linking. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

              You keep making incredible claim but back them with no evidence. Curious.

              Let’s see..
              – toxic shock deaths in children in areas with high death tolls
              – 40% of Swedish COVID-19 hospitalisations die
              – any location can deprive the virus of hosts within a month and
              – the virus is eradicated once the last person infected recovers or passes away. Then the risk has gone FOREVER.

              Goodness. Forever sounds like a long time, RickWill.

              I do not even know where to begin.

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                RickWill

                Death to resolved:
                https://tradingeconomics.com/sweden/coronavirus-deaths
                3225 deaths, 4971 recovered so 3225/8197 = 39.3% so I rounded up not down.

                A novel clinical presentation in children involving symptoms seen with atypical Kawasaki disease and toxic shock syndrome may be linked to COVID-19 infection, according to reports from National Health Service England, The Lancet, and the New York City health department.

                https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/930223

                Deprive the host in Month
                http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/
                Select Taiwan.

                The virus does not survive for more than a few hours outside a host. Eliminate it from a population and it is gone forever.

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                Aaron Christiansen

                You: 60% of Swedes going to hospital come out alive; the other 40% are dead.
                Me: Please prove 40% of Swedish COVID-19 hospitalisations die
                You: 3225 deaths, 4971 recovered so 3225/8197 = 39.3% so I rounded up not down.

                1. You have no idea how many of the people who recovered were hospitalised.
                2. Looking at the website you linked, clicking on the [+] of recovered, shows a “recovered” graph, which flat lines (for example) from 25/4-4/5 at 1k recovered then in one day jumps to 4.07k recovered. My guess is a small % are hospitalised (currently under 500 ICU) and they are not tracking “recovered”, or it’s significantly delayed. Death reportings are delayed by up to 14 days.
                — — — — — — — — — — — — — —
                You: “toxic shock deaths in children of all ages”
                Me: Proof?
                You: “Kids that may have COVID-19 are exhibiting symptoms of toxic shock”
                — — — — — — — — — — — — — —
                You: any location can deprive the virus of hosts within a month and
                Me: Proof?
                You: look at the graph and select Taiwan
                Me: Selects Taiwan. Looks at graph. Mouses over day 31. 1.9 new cases/day
                Now consider that that is 31 days since 100 cases. So over a month.
                — — — — — — — — — — — — — —
                You: the virus is eradicated once the last person infected recovers or passes away. Then the risk has gone FOREVER.
                Me: Proof?
                You: The virus does not survive for more than a few hours outside a host. Eliminate it from a population and it is gone forever.

                Studies suggest that coronaviruses (including preliminary information on the COVID-19 virus) may persist on surfaces for a few hours or up to several days.

                Ignoring the fact that we live in a world surrounded by countries in far worse shape than us now opening up their societies to get back to living.

                Ignoring the fact that the only way you can know who the “last person infected” is is with 100% testing coverage with no contaminated surfaces, no reinfections, no immigration ever again and no replication of the scenario that brought the original virus to life in the first place, happening here.
                — — — — — — — — — — — — — —

                Appreciate the “evidence”, RickWill, it was as good as I expected.

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                RickWill

                Aaron Christiansen
                You are quite clearly grabbing at straws.

                AC

                Please prove 40% of Swedish COVID-19 hospitalisations die

                I provide the evidence using the best available data and you claim it to be otherwise. You are simply in denial of the facts. I agree it has loooong way to go in Sweden. Tegnell has his plan that will kill tens of thousands of Swedes at the rate of 80 per day. So it will be a loooong time before the final count.

                AC

                Looks at graph. Mouses over day 31. 1.9 new cases/day

                The peak was on day 8. The first zero was on day 41. So it took 32 days from peak to zero. Shoot me I was out by a day.

                AC

                Studies suggest that coronaviruses (including preliminary information on the COVID-19 virus) may persist on surfaces for a few hours or up to several days.

                Highly controlled laboratory environments or freezing can keep it in a condition for reactivation but people in those environments are not going to be exposing themselves to infection. A few minutes in sunlight it is gone. It does not last on household surface subject to normal hygiene practices for more than a few minutes:

                Professor Tangye recommends cleaning your common household surfaces — like kitchen and laundry benches, your bathroom vanity and taps, kids’ toys —more regularly than you might normally, but he said the current cleaners you’re using are more than enough.

                “Soap, bleach, alcohol-based hand sanitisers, those alcohol sprays, these are really disruptive to the virus,” he said.

                “It doesn’t really stand a chance in the face of these sort of cleansers which is great for us, some viruses are very hard to get rid of, but this one is pretty flimsy in that context.”

                https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2020-03-20/how-long-does-coronavirus-last-on-surfaces/12074330

                AC

                Ignoring the fact that we live in a world surrounded by countries in far worse shape than us now opening up their societies to get back to living.

                The virus will not survive in the air to reach Australia from any neighbour. The only way it gets transported is on aeroplanes or ship.

                You may never have travelled overseas a few decades ago when all flights entering Australia were decontaminated with aerosol sprays. That practice may need to introduced.

                S Y D N E Y, Australia, Aug. 17, 2000 — It has been a long flight and the Olympics and Outback await, but the most vigilant quarantine officers in the world stand between you and Australia.

                They may stand between you and the airport, in fact, barging right onto the plane, disinfectant spray in hand, spraying you and your belongings with a fine mist of insecticide.

                But it is not you they object to. It is the mosquito in the overhead bin, the dirt on your tennis shoe, the salami in your sandwich, the grapevine in your baggage.

                “It might not seem like the most welcoming arrival, but it is done for very good reason, and the spray is a World Health [Organization] approved mixture,” said Carson Creagh, spokesman for the Australian Quarantine and Inspection Service.

                https://abcnews.go.com/Travel/story?id=118829&page=1

                Some people will object to inhaling disinfectant but I often travelled on flights that followed that practice.

                The only animal permitted into Australia without quarantine is a human; up until March 2020 or a few selected cases prior to that.

                So you are yet to make any case against depriving CV19 of hosts. All easy to do with simple, available technology and basic strategy that is millennia old.

                Your admiration for Anders Tegnell PhD is misplaced. Given Taiwan has shown the world how to eradicate a virus, anyone not following their practices will be judged a miserable failure.

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                Aaron Christiansen

                “I provide the evidence using the best available data and you claim it to be otherwise.”

                Your evidence may be the best available but it is verifiably not evidence of hospitalisation. That you fail to admit (or perhaps too myopic to see) that is tragic. Your inability to even admit you have no clue on hospitalisations, let alone your utter lack of reading comprehension of what you even write yourelf. JFC.

                You: any location can deprive the virus of hosts within a month
                Also you: The first zero was on day 41. SO A DAY OUT!!!111

                Remind me which month has 41 days again?

                Good grief you are incapable of cogent thought or understanding what you yourself wrote. No wonder you completely screw up news articles and what other people here write.

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            Bill In Oz

            Red,
            You are just ignoring the facts of pandemics.
            And your crystal ball has major crack in it as well.

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              Bright Red

              No Rick it is you who is ignoring reality. We live in the real world with real virus all around us. To try to make predictions about CV19s future is just as bad if not worse than predicting the climate in 40years and all the bad scary things that could happen but probably never will.
              “The risk has gone forever” I laugh

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                RickWill

                We live in the real world with real virus all around us.

                So do I but I do not need or want to test my ability to withstand a new virus. NOVEL means new. No one knows what impact it could have and really no one needs to know. We just know it is deadly to a unthinkable number of any population. That was clear to me by late January when China erected a massive new hospital in Wuhan just to treat CV19 infected patients.

                It is now obvious from quite a few countries now that no one needs to live with the risk of getting CV19. In Taiwan the risk is so close to zero that it actually might be zero. Australia is getting close to zero. Certain States/Territories in Australia are probably zero right now.

                I am observing the reality that the virus can easily be deprived of hosts and it will die out. I am also aware that the US is infested with anti-social dingbats who place their wants above lives of others.

                In Sweden there is an expert in charge who has no clue and willing to bet the lives of tens of thousands of Swedes on his failed experiment.

                UK is taking its strategy from a Fawlty Towers script but only funny if you have no care for human life.

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          TdeF

          We are already on the second major mutation. And as it mutates, the effects change, as with the pandemic Spanish flu. That is not speculation but obvious and historic fact. The more people infected, the more virus factories, the greater the chance of mutation and the greater the chance of change.

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        cedarhill

        The problem with computing life year impacts, especially for CV-19, is the how deaths are attributed (see example for Italy below) since some count CV-deaths as death with CV-19 (US), others count only after ruling out all other causes (Germany).

        All cause mortality provides, imho, a better basis since it’s very simple: a death counts as a death and year over comparisons are accurate. Chopping them up into causes is helpful but still subject to methods used to determine a specific cause.

        The best example using all cause mortality is the impact of treating patients with statins. Despite the huge numbers of people in the elder age groups, their mortality rate from all causes has not changed. Meaning the treatment with statins simply shuffles the cause of death between people in the age groups but has no effect on that age groups mortality rates. Critics complain that the billions spent on statins each year to prevent a cause (about 3%, at best) is not worth the cost and lifestyle changes are more effective.

        So,measuring all cause mortality and using Cummings’ “excess deaths” can be useful in decision making. It may be impossible to derive life-years since a lot of judgements are needed. For example, how will a person that dies of not being able to receive a cancer treatment be counted – CV-19 death or ?? It would be very useful going forward and assessing usefulness of the governments CV-19 actions.

        Italy example of reported data for age groups due to CV-19:
        One source:
        90+ years old: 6% of deaths
        80 – 89 years old: 42% of deaths
        70 – 79 years old: 35% of deaths
        60 – 69 years old: 16% of deaths
        total 60-90+ – 99%

        Another source:
        90+ years old: 25.6% of deaths
        80 – 89 years old: 29.6% of deaths
        70 – 79 years old: 24.6% of deaths
        60 – 69 years old: 10.1% of deaths
        total 60-90+ – 89.9%

        As observation about the “save every single life” in the context of nursing homes. People go to nursing homes to die. Sort of like the elephant graveyard but for humans. Many are kept alive through a battery of drugs, strict diets, feeding tubes and quick access to hospitals. Those that don’t die from various infections, organ failures, cancers will die of starvation since they forget to eat and thus “fail to thrive” (look it up). The average time spent in a nursing home (US) is 18 months. That’s a very accurate figure sourced from Medicare, Medicaid, Insurances and surveillance programs at both the state and federal level.

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    Another Ian

    Wider reading required?

    “Australians are urged NOT to use an anti-malaria drug once hailed by Donald Trump as a coronavirus ‘game-changer’ – as Border Force seizes thousands of pills

    More than 6,000 tablets of hydroxychloroquine have been seized by the ABF
    Drug was acknowledged as potential cure against coronavirus by Donald Trump
    Hydroxychloroquine used for malaria and and certain auto-immune diseases
    Australians are urged to stop importing and self-prescribing the product ”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8300881/Australians-urged-NOT-use-anti-malaria-drug-Donald-Trump-described-cure-against-COVID-19.html

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    David Maddison

    Victoriastan (Australia), Canadastan and New Zealandstan (all run by Marxists) are now signed up to the Chinese Communist Party “Belt and Road Initiative”. It used to be just Third World countries that were so corrupt and so stupid to do so.

    QUOTE
    The Belt and Road Initiative Is a Corruption Bonanza

    Despots and crooks are using China’s infrastructure project to stay in power—with Beijing’s help.

    But not just China benefits from corruption in BRI projects. In many cases, the leaders of BRI-recipient countries see the projects as opportunities to sustain and legitimize their own corruption, as well.

    Many countries that receive BRI investments suffer from high levels of corruption. On the TRACE Bribery Risk Matrix, most rank in the lower 50 percent, and 10 are among the riskiest 25 countries in the world. They often have opaque legislative processes, weak accountability mechanisms, compliant media organizations, and authoritarian governments that don’t permit dissent.

    For politicians in these countries, the BRI offers an array of tools for enabling corruption: injections of easily diverted cash, dazzling infrastructure to placate the citizenry, and the imprimatur of a cozy relationship with one of the world’s most powerful nations—all of it wrapped up in a virtual guarantee that their wealthy benefactor will, at the very least, look the other way if any improprieties should surface, so long as the project in question gets built.
    END QUOTE

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/01/15/the-belt-and-road-initiative-is-a-corruption-bonanza/

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      David Maddison

      Correction, I’m not sure about Canadastan. They’ve been invited, but not sure if they’ve signed up yet. Trudeau is a Marxist so I guess he will.

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      RicDre

      I found an article about New Zealand’s participation in China’s BRI.
      Part of the article says:

      The New Zealand government has also proposed to work with China on sustainable development issues. China, which supports the Paris Climate Agreement and has some of the world’s leading renewable energy companies, aims to support environmental initiatives along the new Silk Roads. Wellington has recently passed a law to achieve carbon neutrality by 2050, and gives itself the means to succeed. There is no doubt that the New Zealand model could serve as an example for BRI projects

      New Zealand for a partnership with China on the BRI

      https://www.oboreurope.com/en/new-zealand-partnership-bri/

      And this one for Victoria:

      Victoria signs up to the BRI: what didn’t they know and when didn’t they know it?

      https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/victoria-signs-up-to-the-bri-what-didnt-they-know-and-when-didnt-they-know-it/

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      Serp

      I note that here in Victoria we have been taken past the BRI MOU to the BRI Framework Agreement but I’ve resisted the impulse to download it.

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        Serp

        Downloaded the pdf and had a chuckle over Article 6 Settlement of Differences which states “Both sides will settle differences in the interpretation, application or implementation of this Agreement through friendly consultations.”

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    I’m surprised none of the major climate sceptic sites have picked up the correlation between the Imperial College code scandal and Climategate:

    https://lockdownsceptics.org/second-analysis-of-fergusons-model/

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    el gordo

    Jarvis Island is situated in the central Pacific and it experienced coral bleaching long before global warming was invented.

    https://www.c3headlines.com/2020/05/peer-reviewed-study-repeat-coral-bleaching-just-happens-no-humans-or-co2-needed.html

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    yarpos

    Stumbled across an interesting read on worlds reactions to past pre social media 24hr news pandemics.

    Hong Kong Flu in the late 1960s , 1 million dead globally (mostly over 65s), 100,000 in the US. The world didnt stop and they still managed to have Woodstock. Simpler times.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-woodstock-pandemic-1968/true-claim-woodstock-took-place-in-the-middle-of-a-pandemic-idUSKBN22J2MJ

    You probably should have When I was Young by the Animals or something from Woodstock playing in the background when you read it.

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      Bill In Oz

      Ahhh the 1970’s…
      A simpler world
      And a lot less connected..
      When going overseas was a rare & special treat
      They might be coming back again..

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    greggg

    ‘the laboratory data in our study showed increased odds of coronavirus and human metapneumovirus in individuals receiving influenza vaccination’
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7126676/
    See Table 5.

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      Lucky

      Over age 65 would have the flu jabs and are more susceptible to CCP19.
      Common cause, not causation.

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      OriginalSteve

      US Military found same issue – flu vaccine appears to have made soldiers more susceptable to corona viruses:

      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/31607599

      “Vaccine. 2020 Jan 10;38(2):350-354. doi: 10.1016/j.vaccine.2019.10.005. Epub 2019 Oct 10.
      “Influenza vaccination and respiratory virus interference among Department of Defense personnel during the 2017-2018 influenza season.
      “Wolff GG1.

      “CONCLUSIONS:

      “Receipt of influenza vaccination was not associated with virus interference among our population. Examining virus interference by specific respiratory viruses showed mixed results. Vaccine derived virus interference was significantly associated with coronavirus and human metapneumovirus; however, significant protection with vaccination was associated not only with most influenza viruses, but also parainfluenza, RSV, and non-influenza virus coinfections.

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    Alan

    Nice little read for a Sunday and what a beautiful day it is here in Perth

    Strategies To Improve Skeptical Thinking.
    I like this quote from Michael Shermer in the article “A claim becomes factual when it is confirmed to such an extent that it would be reasonable to offer temporary agreement. But all facts in science are provisional and subject to challenge, and therefore skepticism is a method leading to provisional conclusions” (Shermer 2002).

    Happy Mothers Day to all the Mums out there

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    Bill In Oz

    Communist Party China to put duties on Australian barley sales to China !

    The CCP is spitting the dummy over the government’s desire for an international investigation into the CCP virus.

    Since when have we thought CCP China was honest ?

    I guess that the people of China ill just have . to do without their beer ! Or without chicken & pork iivestock, grown with barley grain feed. Now here that would cause a revolution. But in China ? They might just it and take a beer & meat shortage as par for the course with a CCP government.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-10/coronavirus-china-australia-trade-tension-barley-tariff/12232426

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      TdeF

      It’s fascinating that you have four red thumbs for just mentioning China and spitting the dummy. I wonder how many Chinese government trolls are involved here, posing as students? No wonder the government has raised major concerns about Huawei.

      The idea that the Chinese government is benign has been destroyed with the coverup on this deadly contagion, a coverup which caused all these deaths. That is undeniable. And it will hit the belt and road initiative hard, and the Huawei 5G. The appalling threat to withhold critical medical supplies from the world in a pandemic, let alone one they started and concealed has changed minds world wide about cheap Chinese manufacture.

      So I wonder how many red thumbs this will get? I can count on four at a minimum. It’s a living I guess.

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        TdeF

        I remember a frustration the US had with China in WW2. There was a world shortage of critical tungsten and China had the
        world’s supply. The Americans were bombing the Japanese invaders and helping as they could fight off the maraudering Japanese army.
        So to whom did they sell the tungsten? To the Japanese.

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          RickWill

          Tungsten has an extremely useful property – density of 19,300kg/Cu.m. That imbues it with armour piercing capability.

          Some years ago I had the opportunity to visit a subterranean testing facility for the Phalanx CIWS electronically fired rattling guns. The barrels have a bore of 20mm but the tungsten projectile is only 10mm (mane 8mm?) in diameter. It actually has plastic guides in each round that ensure the projectile comes out in the aimed direction.

          At this point of testing the plastic guides were not quite right and there were tungsten projectiles embedded in walls down the full length of the 1000m long test tunnel as well as scattered on the floor. The target was 14 sheets of 20mm ply with each sandwiched between 6mm thick aluminium plate. Any projectile that hit it square would go right through the sandwich and make it to the 100mm thick armour plate behind the target. It was claimed any missile or aircraft would lose control with just 4 direct hits with these projectiles. Rounds could be pumped out at 75 per second. So the gun did not need to be locked on very long before it took out a missile:
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L0ZAGOuaqg
          The test facility only had a single barrel; not the full gun. The chamber end of the barrel was 20mm thick with 20mm wall – solid.

          All the tungsten projectiles scattered through the tunnel were routinely collected for re-use of the metal.

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            TdeF

            And in an irrelevant aside which will earn another lefty red thumb, the density of gold is also 19.320 kg/cu.m! The same to 0.1%. So one great scam is to produce solid tungsten fake Krugerrand with a gold plating. The usual density test which brought fame to Archimedes cannot tell the difference. Check thickness and weight and they are exactly the same.

            However the fake krugerrand will not ping and ring, resonate. The other is like lead. I suppose they are made in China. How many red thumbs do you think?

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              RickWill

              And in an irrelevant aside which will earn another lefty red thumb,

              Not possible – it is unthreated. So no idea why a red thumb. You got 2 (I gave you green). I got 1. Not sure if that is good or bad.

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                Bill In Oz

                TgeF you get all greens from me.
                Except for one red which was a mistake and I apologised for.
                And my apology got red thumbed as well.
                Big Sigh !

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            OriginalSteve

            The mistake is trying to use a sabot for each bullet. Just re’chamber down to 10mm and be done with it and larger cartridge to give it the oomph needed.

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        el gordo

        There are no Beijing government trolls here, the red thumbs are from local green/left scum.

        In defence of the dictatorship, we may have to borrow their five year plan to get our economy going.

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          TdeF

          I see it as three ‘economies’.

          The public service economy, councils, government departments, health and education. They are fine, fully employed.

          The primary industry economy, mining, gas, oil, farming, fishing. They seem to be fine too, despite the closure of some markets like lobsters to China.

          The service economy. Retail, Restaurants, cars service, petrol stations, tourism, travel, trains, airlines and buses and airports, cleaners. They are struggling with possibly the exception of essential tradesmen and builders who are exempt.

          So when people say the ‘economy’ is in trouble, they mean the service economy. That will get back to work when people can be allowed in groups of ten. International travel though will be crippled for a year or more, until a good innoculation is possible.

          It’s not as if we have not gone through this for hundreds of years. It’s just that people have forgotten and at airports, immigration and health have not asked for immunization proof in the last thirty years. We have become lazy and slaves to the tourist dollar.

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            el gordo

            Our service industry should rebound in a V shape, domestic tourism may take awhile to pick up the slack from international tourism, but that is the least of our worries.

            A serious trade war could erupt and bring on a real depression, which leads to WW3.

            ‘China has fired its first shot in an increasingly bitter diplomatic row, threatening to slap major tariffs on Australia’s barley exports, that could rip hundreds of millions of dollars from the trade.’ ABC

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    el gordo

    Clearly the mexicans aren’t taking this virus seriously, Vic arrests soar as locals get restless.

    ‘As restrictions interstate are eased, arrests spike in Victoria as its residents look to challenge lockdown laws.’ Oz

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      OriginalSteve

      Yeah and I said a while back this would happen…

      It makes more sense to lock down and isolate clusters, not keep the whole population locked down.

      Comrade Dan however appears to love the power trip…which is why places like Michigan and California which are left wing backwaters are still agressively locked down…its all about power and control..

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    David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

    Evening all,
    I’m delighted to be able to report that today’s The Sunday Telegraph (Sydney edition) on page 17 has a short story entitled “Could vitamin D fight off virus?”. It’s by Jane Hansen and quotes a Dr Vadim Backman (about whom I know nothing). Sorry, no link. I’ve read it in the hard copy version.
    But I can add that there is no similar story, at least so far, in either SMH or ABC “Just In”.
    I’d have preferred a stronger story, and maybe specifically quoting the Indonesian study that Jo reported last week, but I still think this is great news.
    Cheers
    Dave B

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    Annie

    A nasty accident just down the road. heard the CFA siren a couple of hours ago, then a helicopter came over and landed. went outside to see multiple flashing lights and an ambulance driving off. Our neighbour nearer to it said a young girl had gone off the road, fortunately survived and crawled out of her vehicle, very sore. Neighbour says it’s a miracle she is alive as the vehicle was badly smashed up. I hope she’ll be ok.

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    PeterS

    Lots of interesting bits at the link below Only time will tell which are correct. I suspect he’s not too far from reality.
    Jim Sinclair – Debt Jubilees Everywhere

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      OriginalSteve

      Yep…the globalists have pillaged the economic system so badly that it was on thr brink if collapse. An economic reset removes the evidence of such activity…how convenient….

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    el gordo

    Beijing is paranoid and heavy handed, they have created an Orwellian culture. Standing up to the authorities is fraught with danger and here we have a handful of heroes.

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3083704/missing-chinese-labour-activists-freed-after-being-held-more

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    Another Ian

    “A very good podcast that touches on many the current issues of the week: censorship of dissenting voices, conspiracy hypothesis and the problem of countering “partial garbage”, unjustified scientific certainty, the dangers of tribal signaling, and the evolutionary unknowns of a virus that’s new and potentially exploring new opportunities of infection. ”

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/index.php/2020/05/10/wuhan-flu-39/

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    WXcycles

    La-Nina it will be:

    http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/oceanography/wrap_ocean_analysis.pl?id=IDYOC007&year=2020&month=05

    A negative IOD (wet phase) is currently expected to combine with La Nina at the same time (when these work together their wetting cooling effects become stronger).

    http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/enso/#tabs=Indian-Ocean

    Greatly amplified jetstream speeds have also begun to return for the southern Winter. The > 400 km/h jetstream flows have been absent since the 2nd of March but they returned yesterday to the Southern Atlantic, and should decay over another 2 days. This large and deep jet exceeds 400 km/h at both 34 k ft and 39 k ft (very high-speed jets are currently absent from the northern hemisphere since early March).

    https://i.ibb.co/KjrfK22/402-kmh-34-kft-Jet-10th-May-2020-South-Atlantic.jpg

    Ultra-dry sinking stratosphere is of course surrounding it above, below and either side from 45 k ft down to 14 k ft:

    https://i.ibb.co/fxYS3qz/18-kft-relative-humidiy10th-May-2020-South-Atlantic.jpg

    Globally, the bulk of the sinking ultra-dry stratosphere is now clearly seen to be falling into the southern hemisphere’s sub-tropics and tropics:

    https://i.ibb.co/TwP94Z8/14-kft-relative-humidity10th-May-2020-Global.png

    So we may see a confluence of La-Nina and a Negative IOD, plus the rapidly sinking stratosphere which increases all WX gradients, and at the same time during late Winter and during Spring. Plus the real possibility of deep very high-speed jets reaching down to near surface level and amplifying the existing WX near to the surface, as was seen in the N Atlantic and UK, 4 times in February, 2020.

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      el gordo

      On the ground it looks like a bumper crop is looming, but unfortunately the farmers and graziers have not yet been notified that massive floods can be expected in the MDB later this year.

      ‘Several good falls of rain in autumn have come as a blessing for farmers in the Central West region of New South Wales after more than three years of crippling drought.

      ‘More than 300mm of rain fell between February and early May, eclipsing the entire rainfall total received in 2019, setting producers up for what’s hoped to be their best season in years.’ Weatherzone

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        WXcycles

        Yes, they better get harvests in as early as possible. This is the setup I didn’t want to develop with sinking stratosphere accompanying it, increasing the Temperature gradient equator to pole, and the mid-tropo pressure gradients as well. We could exceed the 2010-2011 flood records, and a whole lot of ECLs and cyclones. I’m interested to see if the fastest jet speeds drop back to no higher than <215 km/h during July in the Northern Hemisphere. If their max speeds stay around 330 km/h or higher through their Spring and Fall, we're going to see some very interesting atmospheric patterns and weather events in Oz.

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          el gordo

          ‘The 2010–11 La Niña event was one of the strongest on record, comparable in strength with the La Niña events of 1917–18, 1955–56 and 1975–76.’ BoM

          The 2010-11 La Nina didn’t break the drought in the Murray Darling Basin, all the flooding happened in Queensland. This time around its different, the MDB is having a ‘good season’ so big rains should be expected to cause flooding.

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            Bill In Oz

            But surely all the ’empty’ dams’
            Will take all the flooding waters
            And refill EG ?

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              el gordo

              They fill to the brim and then it floods. During the latter part of the LIA in south east Australia we get a glimpse of climate changing.

              ‘Prolonged dry conditions were identified in various parts of the region during 1837–1843 and 1845–1852, while wet conditions were noted from 1836 to 1838, primarily in southern SEA. Anomalously cold periods were also identified in 1835–1836 and 1848–1849, in general agreement with temperature reconstructions from other regions of the Southern Hemisphere.’ Ashcroft et al 2014

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            WXcycles

            No Gordo, I don’t know where you got that from, but the rainfall was at record levels in the Murray-Darling river system from 2010 through to 2012. See the graphs at the bottom of the link:

            http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/enso/history/ln-2010-12/rainfall-flooding.shtml

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          el gordo

          Its also worth noting that when the IOD is negative it has a big impact on La Nina activity in Australia, a place of drought and flooding rains.

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            WXcycles

            The aspect that bothers me is that the deep ‘mega jets’ above 400 km/h amplify existing weather under and near to them them, they increase all weather gradients. If the existing surface weather is already at the high-end of the scale, then look out for amplification under and near the jet, and their surface pressure system expressions. This could easily produce record weather events — a procession of them.

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    Spiro Georgakopoulos

    You can be locked down and safe but you have destroyed your future and handed it to the totalitarian administrative state bought out at bargain basement prices by the Chinese.
    The choice is not between lockdown or no lockdown and death
    It can be no lockdown, universal mask wearing and no death but a non bankrupt future.
    A model that is validated by empirical data showing the mask route is the road forward
    https://arxiv.org/pdf/2004.13553.pdf

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    toorightmate

    Not too many people will realize what the hell I am talking about, but the Weekend Australian yesterday had an absolute pearler of a mistake on its front page.
    They referred to the Grosvenor Coal mine an “a metalliferous coal mine”.
    There is no such thing as a metalliferous coal mine. In fact, a coal mine is NON metalliferous.

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    OriginalSteve

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8266737/Doctors-group-claims-hydroxychloroquine-helps-91-coronavirus-patients.html

    “US doctors claim that Trump’s controversial hydroxychloroquine drug DOES help 91% of coronavirus patients and argue we should not wait for ‘controlled trials’

    “The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons wrote a letter to Arizona Governor Doug Ducey urging wider use of hydroxychloroquine to treat covid
    “They claim that data on 2,333 coronavirus patients reveals the drug helped 91% of patients recover
    “Their data is mostly taken from observations of various doctors, many of whom – including Dr Oz – report treating only one or two patients
    “Dr Anthony Fauci has advised caution in using hydroxychloroquine until clinical trials provide more data
    “FDA issued a warning against using hydroxychloroquine outside hospitals due to its potential to cause heart arrhythmias in some patients
    “Hydroxychloroquine has shown promise in labs and anecdotal reports, but a VA study found more patients treated with it died than those given standard care
    “AAPS dismisses these results, arguing the veterans involved were very sick and their outcomes were not representative

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    cedarhill

    Watts Up With That catching up on recent news about were CV-19 cases originated in New York:

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/05/09/two-thirds-of-new-york-covid-19-patients-were-sheltering-in-place/?unapproved=2990588&moderation-hash=c04cc06692a26d79ffe883d73b4e80f1#comment-2990588

    This one has a chart of the unemployment rate for the US. “Flattening” that curve is an issue.

    One can’t escape the indications that the debate on the first world wide response to the Wuhan virus will not be resolved until sometime in the 22nd Century. It’s morphed into another “climate change” genre debate and has become mostly political.

    Unlike the climate debates, the cautionary principle ruled long before sufficient facts were available to justify decision making process. One that Rubicon was crossed, the second guessing and confirmation biases will dominate the debate.

    Unlike climate change, model predictions were not examined objectively but were taken as “fact”. Like climate change, the code used was not initially tested or subjected to critical scrutiny. It is unprecedented trillions of dollars (US or AUS) of economic activity simply vanished due to an untested, wildly inaccurate software program. And confirmation biases will dominate this part of the debate as well.

    Like climate change, the speculative solutions and actions were not only proposed but presented in the context of proven facts. This part of the debate, again, will be dominated by confirmation biases.

    Going forward, successfully, should depend on “lessons learned” and those will depend on establishing the facts. And it’s almost certain the facts will not be established to make those decisions this summer. Already we’re being told of the “second wave”, and “third wave” and “will forever be with us” from experts. Some are already producing models of even greater deaths this winter using the 1918 flu. No one is taking the Yogi Berra Principle on Predictions (search it).

    It seems Pandora’s Box has truly been opened.

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    OriginalSteve

    It appears the Gates agenda of “vaccinate the whole planet” is in play in basket case Leftist California?

    Power..control..power…control….

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/05/06/gavin-newsom-california-not-going-back-to-normal-until-we-have-a-vaccine/

    “Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) on Tuesday warned that, while California will move into the next phase of reopening its economy this week, it is “not going back to normal” until there is a vaccine.
    ………
    “Christopher Whitty, the U.K.’s Chief Medical Officer, told a parliamentary committee last month that there are no guarantees in the development of a vaccine.

    “We need “to be careful that we don’t assume that we are going to have a vaccine for this disease as we have had for, let’s say measles, which once you have it you’re protected for life,” he said, according to Business Insider, adding, “We cannot guarantee success.”
    https://www.businessinsider.com.au/coronavirus-vaccine-may-be-impossible-to-produce-scientists-covid-2020-4?r=US&IR=T

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    Richard Ilfeld

    There are a small number of facts that can be considered indisputable — allowing for the politically driven mind willing to have the sun rising in the west if political goals are furthered.

    The Chinese stopped internal travel from Wuhan as they allowed international travel to continue, and bought lots of PPE. All dealings with the Chinese government and unserstanding of its goals in the world must take this into account.

    Hard border controls like Australia’s and hard quarantines are effective. Everything else is possibly useful but has to be considered part theater and part therapy; masks and social distancing, sanitizers and testing are not foolish but not cures.

    If a country (or state) tries to go too long without an economy, it will be at the mercy of the country or state that chooses to retain some prosperity; like it or not we are, perhaps more crudely than we should, assessing the mortality of this thing and deciding what is acceptable. And there is resistance to those who wish the decision to reflect only what steps will keep them in power.

    When we do re-open, we will have an economy. It will have debts, failed businesses, shrunk savings. It will be some per-cent smaller overall. If it is 20% smaller, perhaps it will be like 2005. If we retain balance, we can probably retrace our growth quickly and perhaps even in more productive directions. The more elements we try to restore to exactly the way they were before the virus, the more difficult it will be for the rest of the economies to recover.

    Everyone can agree that when we were rich, we accepted some high cost inefficiences as economic luxuries. We aren’t going to be rich any more. Energy production is liely to be a good place to start eliminating some thing that gave psychic gratification to the few at a currency cost to the many; we don’t need to hurt the poeple involved but we need to stop the expensive things.

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    Bill In Oz

    The Herd Immunity thing was supposed to happen while the aged, the sick & the inform were safe behind locked doors. But now there are over 3000 Swedes dead. So clearly the capacity to isolate the aged & sick & inform from this Corona virus is non existent.

    Usually that would lead to a rethink of means & goals & ethics. But this Swedish ‘socialist’ government charges ahead regardless.

    So the deaths are regarded as an inevitable part of creating this herd immunity.
    And there is a question whether it can ever be achieved anyway.

    That my friends is Eugenics.- the elimination of the ‘unfit’ in society for the greater good.
    That tweaked my curiosity so I looked online.

    And behold – ‘Look and you shall find” . It’s happened before.
    “The Dark History of Swedish Eugenics”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJ_2IIl7zJ0

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      Bill In Oz

      The Red thumb gang don’t like me bringing up this history of Sweden’s
      Use of Eugenics in the past by it’s Socialist Party government.

      An estimated 250,000 children removed from families and prevented from breeding
      To ensure the health of the ‘Swedish Herd’.

      Ummm ?

      Now it’s not children. It’s 3000 + aged, sick & inform
      No longer ‘fit’ and so sacrificed for the health of the Swedish herd.
      Eugenic ‘science’ at work !
      And which party dominates the government ?
      The Swedish Socialist Party.

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      Well it is hardly eugenics since the dead people were past reproductive age.

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    cedarhill

    Call in confirmation bias (my own) but this article summarizes several points about the CV-19 response, reporting and failures of the CDC:

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/05/huge-development-following-last-weeks-release-attorney-clevenger-alleges-office-dni-communications-seth-rich-wikileaks-russia-collusion-lie/

    While some will turn up their noses at the source (American Thinker, a well known conservative US site), it seems inescapable that these points should have been at the forefront on day zero with patient zero:

    1. treatment must start as early as possible
    2. proper dosing is critical
    3. hail mary’s of last minute treatments, ventilators just mean the medical response/patient delays make the disease’s death rate of over 80% for those patients.

    And the critique of CDC seems correct.

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    MrGrimNasty

    In the UK, I could have written this – but Lord Sumption did:

    “They[gov.] now find themselves trapped by their own decisions.”

    “It is a pity that the Government did not ask itself that question[how to get out of the lockdown] when, in the blind panic following the delivery of Imperial College London’s Professor Neil Ferguson’s statistical projections, it legislated the lockdown on the hoof in a late-night press conference.”

    “Ending the lockdown is a political decision, not a scientific one.”

    “There is more to life than the avoidance of death.”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8281007/Former-Supreme-Court-judge-LORD-SUMPTION-gives-withering-critique-Governments-lockdown.html

    And Peter Hitchens always says it like it is.

    “We will not escape from this misery until the Government has been forced to admit that it made a foolish mistake and over-reacted wildly…”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8303715/PETER-HITCHENS-mad-mass-house-arrest-Covid-19-saved-single-life.html

    The pro-lockdown brigade have made exactly the same mistake as climate alarmists – they failed to do an honest audit of the pros/cons cost/benefits.

    Nothing is going to change the fact that we are all trapped until CV19 has run its course and political interventions and lockdowns are making the damage far far worse, and in the end you won’t save any significant number of lives. You can’t win a political game of chess with the Grim Reaper.

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      Greg in NZ

      Imperial/Empire/Royal/Crown = el virus Corona?

      Here in this Antipodean colony, we have our own version of Professor Hypocrite Pantsdown in the form of one Shaun Hendy, ex-climate cook modeller turned pandemic panic modeller.

      Having failed miserably for years with his graphs of doom (g.o.d.?) he climbed aboard Neil Ferguson’s Imperial gravy train by advising President Jacinda & Co. if she didn’t lock up the peasants and shut down their means of living they’d all die, or the planet would die, or the polar bears or something.

      Miserable little court jesters, the lot of ’em!

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    Dave in the States

    I had an experience in trying to determine the cause of a yearly round of rhino virus infection in a herd of horses. The herd was moved to a large pasture some years earlier. Each late spring the younger horses developed what was determined to be a rhino virus caused severe cold. The sickness lasted about 2 weeks for each individual, but one by one it spread throughout the entire herd throughout the whole summer. Secondary infections had to eventually be treated by expensive antibiotics. All the horses had been vaccinated by that year’s equine rhino virus vaccine prior to the season each year.

    One vet I consulted with said his hypothesis was that it occurred because of the early summer influx of race horses at the near by horse racing facility. It was indeed, a striking correlation. But I kept thinking how was a cold virus was transmitting over a distance of a few miles between a herd of horses in isolation from the migrant horses, despite the prevailing wind.

    There had to be a common denominator. I visited the race track to see how the horses were handled. The horses did not have a common water trough they drank from. Feed was separate for each stable of horses. The horses were stabled individually and had little contact with other horses. Any horse that came down with anything was quarantined. It was against regulations to transport known sick horses to the facility without health papers. At the time they had no known sick horses at the facility. It didn’t make sense.

    I had suspected the little creek that meandered through the valley. The water source for the creek and the many irrigation ditches that also served as drinking water for much life stock was the larger river. The ditches also drained run off water from who knew how many pastures back into the creek and eventually the river.

    The corralled stallions had drinking water pumped for them. The main herd, however, drank mainly from the creek. I noticed that the corralled stallions were the last to catch the cold each year and only after coming into direct contact with the “outside” herd through sexual activity.

    The next year I decided to provide pumped well water for all the horses to drink. I could not perfectly cut off the herd from drinking from the creek, but the horses did this themselves and began drinking from the well water trough. Maybe the well water tasted or smelled better?

    This ended the yearly epidemics. With rhino vaccination, horses with colds in that herd are a very rare occurrence now.

    Additionally, I began treating all the horses in that herd with Ivermectin in April and Oct but only after the results correlating the water supply had been obtained, so I don’t think the Ivermectin alone provided the remedy, although it may help as a prophylactic.

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      TdeF

      Great stuff. Now that’s good long term analysis and it worked. My hope is that the research on identifying viruses allows us to test the major groups, rhinovirus and carona virus. And the antibodies. That would allow isolation and minimize and eliminate infection at the source, not accept this rolling disaster. It would have the additional effect in minimizing mutations which lead to annual propagation of the most virulent strains. Decect, Isolate, innoculate, eliminate.

      If we can eliminate natural species as is alleged, we should be able to eliminate viruses we do not want. And it’s about time to target all these viruses which plague our world, not allow them to mutate with so called herd immunity which is simply an engine for mutations.

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        OriginalSteve

        The vaccine appears to have been of limited use, like cholera, clean pathogen free water seems to be the key.

        The story about identifying cholera as water borne disease by a doctor in London is worth reading.

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      Good analysis but it could be completely wrong, arguing for herd immunity at 24%. The first lesson in biophysics is that living systems change as they are tested. As you are measuring nerve response in a dead frog, the system is collapsing. These are not rigid physical systems.

      Consider that the people of Stockholm do not like being infected by public policy, let along passing it on. Sure the parties and restaurants are legal but what if people simply refuse to go, refuse to participate in this mass infection experiment and practice total social isolation? That would put a brake on new infections as surely as herd immunity and likely explains the results as well as any mathematical model.

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        TdeF

        And I have no idea why anyone would red thumb a scientific report? There are at least four resident trolls.

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        TdeF

        And even within the rules, people may be sticking in small friend or family groups. They do not want to take the virus home to their parents and grandparents.

        Plus the other big change which is the sudden and total change in climate to hot long sunny days, opening windows on houses and apartments and humidity and UV and away from closed system air. The turnaround in the Northern Hemisphere may be partly a susceptibility of the exposed virus to quite different conditions.

        To start to ascribe the turnaround in terms of a theory like 26% being adequate for herd immunity is optimistic at best and likely wrong and potentially dangerous. As with man made Global Warming, coincidence is not causality and it does not matter how much mathematics and how many computer programs you throw at it.

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    Another Ian

    “Yet Another Government Corruption or Medical Fringe?

    This is a video from a year ago. An interview with Dr. Judy Mikovits.”

    More at

    https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2020/05/10/yet-another-government-corruption-or-medical-fringe/

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      OriginalSteve

      Yep..she is featured in a movie the social media platforms sre furiously trying to censor and shuut down.

      I think the movie is called “Plandemic”. Trailer at plandemicmovie.com

      If even 5% of its true, wow.

      The movie fingers Fauci as a key protagonist in the whole current mess. Its pretty damining if true. Its chock full of science.

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        OS

        Seems that movie is up on Bitchute

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          Another Ian

          “Your comment is awaiting moderation.”

          Like that Dean Martin interview?

          “I hear you’re drinking moderation these days?

          Yes. I keep a couple of cases on hand at all times”

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        PeterS

        Martin Armstrong suffered very similar experiences when he exposed the truth about our corrupted economic systems and how they related to the CACGW scam. His charges were eventually dropped and let out of prison when it became obvious he did nothing wrong by exposing the truth, and his trumped up charges were all bogus. The similarities are startling and I don’t believe in coincidences on such a large scale. There has to be a common factor, and one doesn’t have to be a clairvoyant to knwo what that is.

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    Travis T. Jones

    Further evidence reducing emissions with renewable energy does not control climate change global warming …

    “Latest data on the greenhouse gas emissions of the ACT recorded an 18 per cent fall in emissions during the 2018-19 year.
    The substantial year-on-year fall was primarily driven by strong progress in the ACT towards achieving its target of sourcing 100 per cent of its electricity from wind and solar.”

    https://reneweconomy.com.au/canberra-is-a-model-for-using-climate-action-to-drive-economic-recovery-minister-says-27075/

    FEB 1, 2020: Australia fires: Canberra escapes worst as fires rage on
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-51338314

    MAY 4 2020: Canberra records its first sub-zero morning for 2020
    https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6744079/canberra-records-its-first-sub-zero-morning-for-2020/

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    Bill In Oz

    Reject the CCP online petition :
    “The Chinese Communist Party’s coverup led to a pandemic that now threatens the lives of people around the globe. See through the deception, and keep yourself and your family truly informed. Let’s reject the CCP.:

    https://ccpvirustruth.com/?__sta=ns.vhg.vszsxjofjskw%7CYHV&__stm_medium=email&__stm_source=smartech

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      Serp

      You don’t think signing that petition is tattooing “cut here” on your cyber neck? I doubt anybody with relatives in China would sign it.

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    Betapug

    Ultraviolet in the 222nm wavelength range rapidly deactivates aerosol and surface pathogens, both viral and bacterial. Because of extremely shallow penetration of tissue, it is safe for mammalian skin and cornea. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5807439/

    The technology is relatively inexpensive and has great potential for both spacial and surface disinfection, with extended care homes, public transport and food production lines, obvious critical applications.https://sterilray.com/skin-disinfection/

    There seems to be zero interest in Canada and no dermatologist or bio chemist I have queried seems able to distinguish between the shorter 222nm and common and hazardous 254nm. https://sterilray.com/skin-disinfection/

    While I see the NA media trashing UV disinfection as a way to bash Trump, I see the Japanese are now adopting 222nm in hospitals. https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/05/10/world/science-health-world/uvc-lamps-coronavirus/#.XrhwaWhKi_Q

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      RicDre

      I recently receive a notice from my dentist about the steps they are taking as preparation for reopening their office. One of things they mentioned was that they were adding UV lights to their air handling system to help eliminate viruses being distributed via that system. They also mentioned adding a system to bring in more outside air and exhaust more of the inside air.

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        Kalm Keith

        Yes. I’ve mentioned that a few times in relation to nursing homes.

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        Betapug

        RicDre…interested to know if your dentist follows Trumps speculation about bleach as antiseptic and asks you to rinse with one, H2O2 to reduce the viral load in your mouth. https://www.rdhmag.com/covid-19/article/14169838/recommendations-for-the-dental-practice-in-response-to-covid19

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        DOC

        At the time Trump was being excoriated for mentioning UV and H2O2 in his own clumsy way, the next day 2 things happened on Fox News, channel 606, that was covering is daily briefings. The first was, a medical researcher came on to explain that some cells delivered locally H2O2 or an equivalent as part of the body’s defence mechanisms and there was research into how these cells could be manipulated to produce on demand by some medical means to help fight assaults in general on the lungs. The second thing, on UV light, was about using reverse acting fans which drew air to the ceiling which had UV light shone across it to deactivate the virus.

        I can’t recall whether there was reference (or whether I was dreaming an alternative use) to another aside on UV light presumably being used on extracorporeal blood flows being used to bypass lungs, to oxygenate them. That would simply act in a fashion if there was a viraemia. Maybe I dreamed that one,but I’m uncertain (these were midnight sessions.)

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      DOC

      Newscorp, including Foxtel and print media, has had big losses from advertising drop-offs, at least
      partially due to COVID-19.

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        el gordo

        Apparently they have taken a 30% drop and are now taking the opportunity to rationalise.

        Catalano is the new kid on the block and he has a strategy to become filthy rich selling rural real estate after the Covid fog lifts.

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    Bill In Oz

    80,001 Dead from the CCP’s COVID 19 in the USA by the latest count.
    Far more than in China itself probably.

    China mandated the use of masks to stop the virus along with the lock down
    To stop this infectious disease.

    But in the USA both of these methods of controlling the virus are challenged, white anted.
    It seems that Americans of the Right wing political persuasion
    Believe that personal ‘rights’ trump everything else even when dealing with infectious disease.

    And so even such a simple thing as wearing a face mask has become a ‘political’, and not medical, issue.
    Utter madness !
    Many more will die there in the USA.
    For the virus cares nothing about political or constitutional rights.

    https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/to-mask-or-not-to-mask-in-the-us-the-answer-is-political-20200507-p54qlg.html

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      Peter Fitzroy

      I can not understand why you are getting red thumbs for this Bill, so I’ll give you a balancing green one

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        JanEarth

        Peter Fitzroy

        Old Bill got red thumbs for that post because of US citizen readers that IMO voted for Fart.

        Old Bill gets red thumbs on other posts because he lets it be known that red thumbs annoy him IMO.

        Getting ones underwear in knots over red thumbs is bound to backfire. The law of unintended consequences in action. Also a prime example of the Streisand effect.

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        RickWill

        A green thumb from me too.

        The red thembs must be automatic for Peter F. I will give a green thumb there too for such a pleasant comment.

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      WXcycles

      Believe that personal ‘rights’ trump everything else even when dealing with infectious disease.

      Yes, that’s exactly what’s happening, IMHO. And as they irrational seek endless excuses to hide from reality and assert their primacy above constitutional law and govt, they’re also screaming that the demo-rats are trying to sabotage the economy and finances, via insisting on isolation to end the spread and wind back the disease first.

      Which is coincidentally the correct path. Despite their best efforts they occasionally end up on the correct side of an argument, it’s very rare, but it can still happen.

      but in this case the Right (or rather, the fake political ‘conservatives’ — real conservatives are not actually dumb) are shooting their own feet here, and will do enormous harm to the USA, while the phony demo-rats are recommending a correct path for once (and dogs will cohabit with cats).

      But the political (i.e. fake) ‘conservatives’ are most probably correct, the demo-rats are doing this for purely political reasons, and the extreme left will indeed be wetting themselves with glee at the chaos, hardened positions and stellar stupidity of it all.

      Toxic greed and politics are going to make this so much worse than it should have been, and COVID-19 will smash them all, politics are inappropriate but the (fake) US political monstrosity is so pathologically narcissistic that they would rather claw at each others throats without relent to get their nose into the taxpayer’s swill trough for another term of power, money, avarice and wickedness.

      The US political system is beyond sick, and Trump has profoundly failed to rein in this stupidity and unite the country to end the situation much sooner. As far as I’m concerned this is actually an impeachable mess on Trump’s part except the abomination that would impeach him are more notoriously unprincipled than Trump!

      Genuine capital-‘C’ Conservative people would not do what’s now occurring in the US. I’m wondering how many remain, as it seems like there’s very few willing to do or say anything about pathological narcissists making ‘decisions’. Stress always reveals the weaknesses.

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        TdeF

        I think it’s a popular idea pushed by the left of politics that all ‘conservatives’ are the same, a group think mentality like the left. So they imagine it is just a mirror image. In fact the conservative side varies enormously.

        Some detest any government at all, any laws, any restrictions as impinging their freedom which is defined as doing as they please.

        There are those who want government control of everything except private business. These are actually socialists which Mussolini and Hitler approved, differing from the communists only in that businesses are not nationalized. The NAZIs were the National Socialistich Arbeit Partei. It is very anti communist but that does not make them conservatives.

        Then there are those people who think for themselves and accept strong government but want it totally accountable. Hitler came to power because Stalin scared them and they wanted a strong leader, but thought he would be accountable. These were the first people in the camps.

        The real advantage of the left is that they act as a group where the right are fragmented. And the extreme right are simply nut cases, not conservatives at all but lumped by the left with conservatives. Thus the false meme pushed that Trump supports the KKK, which is ridiculous.

        The one thing which binds conservatives together though is that they do not like to be told what to believe. Even by each other. It is their strength and politically their weakness.

        America seems to have a lot more far right extremists than most countries, except perhaps Germany and the UK. And these people do not like being told to wear masks or obey the police or the laws of the country.

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        DOC

        The USA is a hugely divided Nation.

        There is left versus right, but much more polarised than here.
        There is Globalists vs Nationalists, which is really the entire Obama group of globalists
        that have worked for four years to save their ‘advancement’ towards globalism, including the
        off-shoring of the means of production whilest virtually cutting defence and international US
        strength.
        Then there is ignoring Constitutional restraints by governors and law courts under the
        protection of the declaration of a national emergency legislation. Worse, there is lying on a
        large scale in the upper echelons of politics, encouraged by the similarly divided media. AS
        Hannity said yesterday, you can lie all you like in the media and nothing happens, but if you
        lie under oath you will be destroyed. The latest release of documents by the DOJ which shows
        all the main combatants pushing against Trump over ‘collusion’, under oath to the
        Intelligence Oversight Committee revealed they had no case. Yet they lied for 4 years, and continue to do so in public – Shiff, Comey, Clapper et al.

        The USA is basically unmanageable Federally when it comes to handling this virus. The State governors have the power and make their own decisions. Trump is seeing his three years of
        economic success falling apart and seems to be calling for opening up a bit early. Overall,
        the USA, going State by State, looks like being representative of how all sections of the world are handling the pandemic in their own way. It’s very sad in many ways, but no doubt illumination
        will come by post-viral comparisons between State actions in handling the virus.

        Then there are the US citizens rebelling against the inconvenience of lockdowns – with firearms in places that looks so incongruous, but more threatening than the virus itself. What
        these citizens seem to be saying, as they are stopped from working and having incomes, is that
        they want their old life back and are willing take their own chances with the virus.

        All in all, the USA is currently in chaos. Worse, Pelossi will not allow the House to come
        together and work except to have vetoed her own constructed policies aimed at pushing her own
        agenda. The Democrats persist in ignoring the people in this crisis and keep playing politics,
        on the line of ‘Never let a good recession go to waste’. Incredible! But that’s how sick politics
        everywhere in the Democracies seems to have become. It’s simply a naked power grab for the elected elites, the winner to take all. It’s really seeking dictatorships, and our youth have been
        primed to think this would be better government than what we have.

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          RickWill

          I don’t believe US is in chaos. It remains quite civilised as fas as I have observed.

          The risk of chaos is there. The ingredients are impact on food supply chain leading to food hoarding resulting in food shortages. Chaos would be gun fights over food. That is a long way off I think.

          1500 to 2000 deaths day is not a big loss in a population of 330M. If POTUS Trump was to contract CV19 and pass away then that could lead to a destabilising situation.

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            Richard Ilfeld

            We do, however, have between seven and ten states that are bankrupt. The pause, and future deprivation of tax revenues while their fixed
            costs have remained and variable costs have in many cases, increased, is a formula for disaster. When there is sense that the pension systems is
            failing expect a rush to early retirement with the sense that it will be much easier to hold on to benefits being paid than future ones.

            Key infrastructure that has been already operating at a deficit, as most mass transit does in blue states, along with such mundane services as
            trash hauling, will face strikes if demands aren’t met. Education & the teachers union, a key supporter of big government in blue states, and
            a mass feeder of young children, will face huge challenges and a population that will as a whole not be ready for next year’s curriculum.

            The problems are worst in the big cities in these states. I think this reflects the issues in a number of countries around the world, but with a population
            that may be more unruly.

            The Democrats may be able to push through massive federal financial subsidies, or win an election on this issue…..or lose one.

            Or the trends of internal migration may become much larger, resembling the 30’s in scope, from the denser areas to the less dense, and blue areas to red.
            If blue areas but barriers to working in front of people who are mobile and there are jobs elsewhere, they will leave; if we re-open at vastly different rates
            this is likely to happen.

            Undoubtedly there will be stories in the press about the huge stresses and fault lines in American life, and about how the country is falling apart.

            Just last year I read the climate change had bleached out the Great Barrier Reef, and that it was almost totally gone, a victim of climate change. I
            read about climate refugees in the hottest year ever, epochal droughts, worst ever some seasons, and the coming end of days. Same “reporters”. Same publications.
            Same as it ever was.

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            DOC

            Thanks RickWill and Richard Ilfeld. I wasn’t referring to chaos to the extent you
            address. My ‘chaos’ was referring to the 50States with governors in control of responses to the virus and with so many different approaches, and yet comment in Australia blames Trump for the huge death tolls in NY State etc. Trump submits what his epidemiologists tell him, with no enforcement rights.

            In Australia, we had a national cabinet that was comprised of the Premiers and PM etc, and they managed to cooperate enough initially to bring the virus back to very minimal numbers of new infections (notified). Our major problems come with the rate of reopening business as usual.

            My reference to arms was from the videos that hit national news around the world that
            showed heavily armed civilians in demonstrations demanding governors get out of the way of letting them get back to work. Why bring weapons to such a demonstration?

            My belief is, Americans are much more aware of their Constitution and their rights. They also have different attitudes due to that process, and from their history. This is good in many ways, but in other ways it is a danger to national cohesion when the problem is brought on by people in power who seem ignorant of the emotions of their own people as regards that history. The danger the right to bear arms could come when they overstep their powers or ignore the electorate.

            The overstressing of divisions in your society based on race, colour and creed by politicians seeking to stir up minorities for their vote, is made much more dangerous by the stressing of history, the Constitution and the right to bear arms. As I daily watch the political carry-on in the US, I can only worry that as the emotions are stirred
            intentionally, the Constitution, history and reactions are becoming increasingly dangerous. It seems the fight to get power for a few elites overwhelms the senses of all else. Unfortunately, your media which would normally be a constraining influence, has
            instead become a player in this game of Russian roulette. Simply an ousiders ‘IMO’.

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    Betapug

    UVC in the 254nm band has been used for decades for HVAC sterilizing but only in completely shielded devices. It can not be used for occupied spaces because severely harms skin and eyes.
    The 222nm band is in a sweet spot that does not penetrate tissue enough to cause harm even with long term exposure but is also much more efficient than the commonly used range at destroying pathogens and has many more practical applications.
    https://sterilray.com/landing-page/products/:

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    Robber

    Surplus electricity for sale.
    On Thursday, SA spot wholesale electricity price was $3.36/MWhr, Vic at $12.55.
    On Sat May 2, Qld price was negative $40.39/MWhr.
    For May to date, all state prices averaging $19-35/MWhr.

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    WXcycles

    Something is very wrong with worldometer’s “Closed-Cases” graph plot. The percentages plotted do not match the logged global totals.

    Data sampled today, at ~9 AM AEST, 11th May 2020:

    Total Recoveries = 1,483,054
    Total Deaths = 283,598
    Closed Cases = 1,766,652 (1,483,054 + 283,598)

    When you calculate the percentage proportion you get this:

    Global “Recovery-Rate” = 80.88 %
    Global “Death-Rate” = 19.12 %

    But Worldometer’s global death-rate graph is showing only 16.19 % — their graph is plotting a corrupted data table!

    https://i.ibb.co/6BV6x51/Outcome-of-cases-Graph-9th-May-2020.png

    Either worldometer are running “two sets of books” with the deaths data (I’m presuming not, for now), or someone has edited or else externally setup this data input to the graph to lop off ~3.1% from the actual death-rate in the data. The graph has been doing that for ~2 weeks (since a major edit occurred on the same night that worldometer stopped using the term “Resolved Cases”, and began using “Closed-Cases”, instead).

    This could be the result of an external ‘hack’ of the data table formula driving the graph, but what is clear is that someone wants the “death-rate” data to be downplayed, and went to a bit of trouble to get a dodgy graph showing that on worldometer.

    Some person, some .org, some .gov, wants us to think that less people are dying from COVID-19 than actually are.

    Very sneaky.

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      RickWill

      You need to distinguish between “recovered” and “resolved”. Resolved = deaths + recovered. Worldometer provide the ratio of deaths to resolved or recoveries to resolved.

      So far globally, 16% of all resolved cases ended in a coffin. The other 84% probably got wheeled out still breathing. In Sweden, so far 39% of resolved cases ended in a coffin.

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        WXcycles

        You need to distinguish between “recovered” and “resolved”. Resolved = deaths + recovered.

        Wrong, I don’t have a problem there, I know exactly what resolved cases are, I have known all along, in fact I wrote several long comments two weeks ago make clear to people doubting it exactly what these are.

        Resolved-Cases and Closed-Cases are EXACTLY the same thing.

        Recovered” is one of two possible SUBSET outcomes, the other one being death.

        That’s all there is too it, there is nothing left to be confused about.

        Now look at what I wrote above, and show me exactly where you think I’ve got something wrong?

        So far globally, 16% of all resolved cases ended in a coffin.

        NO! They did not! For goodness sake I just provided today’s data above, which were these:

        Total Recoveries = 1,483,054
        Total Deaths = 283,598
        Closed Cases = 1,766,652 (1,483,054 + 283,598)

        When you calculate the percentage proportion you get this:

        Global “Recovery-Rate” = 80.88 %
        Global “Death-Rate” = 19.12 %

        i.e.

        (283,598 / 1,483,054) * 100 = 19.12% of closed cases died so far

        There is the working, did you not check the percentage? Check it! Of all the CLOSED CASES to date 19.12% died and 80.88% recovered. There’s no room left for confusion about this Rick.

        The worldometer death-rate graph says 16.19 % — and that is WRONG. The data shows the graph is wrong.

        To the contrary, what you’re getting confused about is you think the Died % is measuring the same thing, but it isn’t, it’s in fact the percentage of the number of dead globally, as a proportion of the TOTAL CASES globally. That’s a completely different figure and different trend.

        And that global died % is not 16% either, it only converges on 16% within the most highly infected countries with collapsed medical capacity, but the global died % value only 6.79 %, i.e.

        (283,734 total deaths / 4,178,154 total cases) * 100 = 6.79 % global died %

        The worldometer “Closed-Cases” graph is plotting from a corrupted data table, there’s no question about it, check the given totals and the math if you disagree, then look at the graph. Their closed-cases graph shown is clearly using corrupt data.

        Someone has stuffed up the data it is reading.

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    Furiously curious

    A lovely map of winds up in the Meso/Troposphere at 100 000′. There isn’t much bulk to move up there, but surely it is saying something about something? The lower Northern Hemisphere jets are pretty ‘drunken sailor’ish, while the South is seriously going to town! Low solar? Anyone?

    https://www.ventusky.com/?p=31;128;1&l=wind-10hpa

    Isn’t it great to know the science is settled!

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    el gordo

    ‘Mr Albanese is encouraging the Government to spend big on “nation-building projects” like high-speed rail to inject money into the economy while keeping Australians in work.’ ABC

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    Ross

    It looks like the US has major problems with their data. Dr Birx does not trust anything coming out of the CDC. Is this back peddling or starting a “throwing under the bus” exercise?

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/05/nothing-cdc-can-trust-dr-birx-tells-off-cdc-director-claims-covid-19-mortality-rate-inflated-much-25/

    “According to a new bombshell report from the Washington Post, the White House Coronavirus Task Force response administrator is doubting the administration’s numbers.

    Dr. Deborah Birx reportedly made the comments during a Wednesday meeting.

    “During a task force meeting Wednesday, a heated discussion broke out between Deborah Birx, the physician who oversees the administration’s coronavirus response, and Robert Redfield, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Birx and others were frustrated with the CDC’s antiquated system for tracking virus data, which they worried was inflating some statistics — such as mortality rate and case count — by as much as 25 percent, according to four people present for the discussion or later briefed on it. Two senior administration officials said the discussion was not heated,” the newspaper reported.

    “There is nothing from the CDC that I can trust,” Birx reportedly said, according to two of the people.

    “The flare-up came two days after it was reported that an internal government model, based on data from the CDC and other agencies, projected the daily death count would rise to 3,000 by June 1,” the newspaper noted.”

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    RickWill

    This link gives a case study of a baby suffering from hyperinflammatory shock possibly linked to CV19:
    https://hosppeds.aappublications.org/content/hosppeds/early/2020/04/06/hpeds.2020-0123.full.pdf

    If it is being triggered by CV19, there appears to be a long incubation period and the lack of respiratory symptoms make diagnosis of CV19 before the vasculitis difficult.

    The number of cases of so-called Kawasaki Disease in children testing positive to CV19 is increasing. Children suffering from KD have much increased risk of heart problems as they age.

    All locations that have high number of CV19 cases are now reporting children with KD like response.

    This is the UK practicuioners alert on the syndrome:
    https://picsociety.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/PICS-statement-re-novel-KD-C19-presentation-v2-27042020.pdf

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    robert rosicka

    Literally Hilarious.

    This company is under fire for accidentally releasing large amounts of nasty CO2 but to sweeten the deal and keep everyone happy they also accidentally released some laughing gas .

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-12/mass-release-of-nitrous-oxide-gas-from-industrial-plant/12234794

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    Furiously curious

    Things get even livelier! Now part of the Troposphere Northern jet, at 9000m has reversed, and gone into full ‘Ben Hur hippodrome race’ around the magnetic North pole, pushing other parts of the Eastward flowing jet stream well to the South. With the Southern jets blasting along from the Troposphere, right up through the Mesosphere, it’s quite a picture. It couldn’t have anything to do with Solar activity could it?

    https://www.ventusky.com/?p=45;156;1&l=wind-300hpa

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    Kalm Keith

    A very interesting blast from the past by Michael Hammer in a mammoth post that I managed to get halfway through.

    A lot of interesting stuff covered that goes some way towards illustrating the complexity of the mass, heat and momentum balance that describes “energy in the atmosphere.

    http://joannenova.com.au/2019/08/time-mag-buttering-up-believers-why-deniers-brains-cant-process-climate-change/#comment-2177025

    So far nobody has done the real workup that dismisses the temperature averaging expedience and integrates the full range of daily temperatures into the problem for each latitude.

    This is but one “unknown” amongst many. Energy absorbed by plants and microbes is large.

    The fact that we have survived the last 10,000 years here without being boiled alive or frozen to death on probably two thirds of the planet’s surface tells us that things have been relatively stable despite the growth of human population.

    Global Warming is an issue of Orbital Mechanics not human origin CO2.

    KK

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    Chad

    Again , here we are closer to midweek than the weekend, and 300+ comments into a “weekend unthreaded “ ..???
    i think we should start “Friday unthreaded” now …….just to be sure we dont miss it !

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    tom0mason

    Weather and climate are chaotic processes.
    And chaotic processes are often (always?) self organizing pattern generators, it is what drives so many natural processes and it in the very center of life. Whether or not that we can see them depends on our individual perceptions and biases.
    See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_yOueFMe7c (1hour long video from ‘Real Truth Science’)

    Climate models have many instances where the chaotic nature of a climate factor is averaged away. The modelers in their ignorance, believe this give them better insight to the underlying process, it’s progression, and thus its likely trend into the future. This is VERY wrong. What they are really doing is removing the very signals (the chaotic signals) that show the true state and define the progression of the climate.

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