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    Go on then.

    Gloom and doom all around us.

    How’s about a little brightness here.

    Let’s do something different.

    Use this Thread to link to a clip of music, and it really doesn’t need to be a favourite, just something which might cheer us up.

    I’ll kick it off with an obscure ABBA song, ‘Move On’. It was never released as a Single and I have only heard it on the radio once, and it made me sit right up and listen, and then go looking for it. It’s just a wonderful song really.

    Link to video clip

    Tony.

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      disorganise

      In the midst of this time at home, the YouTube algorithms threw me to this. I’ve since listened to a lot of this channel and it’s awesome 🙂
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eubrxz0bBCY

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      GD

      How’s about a little brightness here

      Good call, Tony!

      How about this uplifting tearjerker.

      Israel Kamakawiwo’ole – ‘Over The Rainbow’ & ‘What A Wonderful World’ Medley

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        RicDre

        GD: Very nice!

        My favorite (non-Judy Garland) version of Over the Rainbow

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rd8VktT8xY

        and her version of What a Wonderful World

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPAGH0AT-os

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          GD

          Thanks, RicDre, for reminding me of Eva Cassidy’s ‘Over The Rainbow’.

          In the early 2000’s I was working as a guitarist for Australian singer Jane Scali’s cabaret show. One day she sent me the mp3 of Eva’s version of ‘Over The Rainbow’ and said we’d be playing that on Saturday night.

          So I listened and thought, yeah, no problem, solo guitar backing a singer. The musical term is colla voce ‘with the voice’.

          Come the soundcheck, we ran the tune, and Jane shrieked at me. “Wrong! That’s not it!”

          Then I realised my mistake. I was playing with the voice and not like Eva had played her guitar.

          The brilliance of Eva’s track is that she is playing strict tempo guitar while singing her expressive interpretation of ‘Over The Rainbow’.

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            RicDre

            Living here in Northern Ohio, US, I had never hear a song sung by Jane Scali, so I did a little bit of searching on the Internet for a song sung by her. I couldn’t find very much but I did find a partial clip of her singing Total Eclipse of the Heart and it was a very nice rendition of that song.

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            Yonniestone

            GD I’m thinking this is what people are feeling during the lock down https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4Mc-NYPHaQ

            This is what I think while delivering mail https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPf_PJlJsJQ

            Hope you’re coping a bit better mate, catch up soon.

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              GD

              Thanks, Yonniestone, I’m feeling a lot better now.
              As for your suggestion of what people are feeling, I like the sentiment but not the costumes.

              For those of us in Victoriastan under Commissar Andrews, I’d suggest this song.

              I was going to post the Angels’ version, but then I found the original version by the Animals.

              Even though the Angels’ version sounds great, and is enhanced with twenty years’ improved recording technology, the raw spirit and emotion in the Animals’ version Is the best.

              There must have been something in the water in the sixties in Britain. So many bands made up of young blokes who made so much music that sixty years later, we still love and listen to.

              The Beatles
              The Rollingstones
              The Animals

              and the beat goes on …

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            For a song (Somewhere Over The Rainbow) done so many times and by so many artists, most of them are good really. However, there’s good and there’s unbelievably good.

            In late 1964 and into early 1965, at the height of the rock era, the rock band Billy Thorpe And The Aztecs put that song on the flip side of their new Single. Radio Stations rolled the record over and started to play that flip side, and ‘Over The Rainbow’ became a National Top Five hit for the band, and in some local areas it went to Number One. Knowing Billy Thorpe, it’s just almost incredible to hear him sing this song, and when you play it, go all the way through, just to hear that last note. Amazing.

            Link to Billy Thorpe and Over The Rainbow

            Tony.

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              RicDre

              TonyfromOz:

              I had not heard Over the Rainbow sung by Billy Thorpe before, it’s a very nice version of the song, thanks for the link to the song. After the link you supplied finished playing, another version by Billy Thorpe started playing and I really like that version also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m62gip2biWs

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            Bill In Oz

            Her vocal musicality in this version of “Over the Rainbow”
            Is just extraordinary…
            And wonderful guitar as well..
            love it…

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          Bill In Oz

          Thanks Ric…One of my favorite singers..
          And here in Oz, it’s Autumn
          So this one by Eva
          Feels just right…

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXBNlApwh0c

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        Kalm Keith

        One of my favourites.

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      shannon

      Great song Tony…..have never heard this before ….appreciated.:)

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    Kalm Keith

    The intro is the best part of this.

    From Dylan Thomas, under milk wood.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D4iDiwuvj0A

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    Kalm Keith

    Didn’t know Justin Timberlake could write and sing this

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xMRlTdpa9KE

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    Kalm Keith

    Sorry Tony.

    At our wedding the program said Hymn Number 701.

    Everyone opened up expect to find a full song but found that they knew it well;

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e0TInLOJuUM

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    Chad

    Jools Holland had a late night music show “ Later” on the BBC some years ago, that showcased both top established stars and new performaes.
    This USA group , “Lucius” made a unique instrumental and vocal performance that has stuck in my head ever since
    https://youtu.be/8EW1O3Zny00

    Meanwhile.. the AGW team are practicing their excuses for no change in the increasing CO2 levels…

    Can we see a change in the CO2 record because of COVID-19?
    There have been many inquiries whether we can see in our CO2 measurements at Mauna Loa and elsewhere the slowdown in CO2 emissions from the burning of fossil fuels. That drop in emissions needs to be large enough to stand out from natural CO2 variability caused by how plants and soils respond to seasonal and annual variations of temperature, humidity, soil moisture, etc. These natural variations are large, and so far the “missing” emissions do not stand out. Here is an example: If emissions are lower by 25%, then we would expect the monthly mean CO2 for March at Mauna Loa to be lowered by about 0.2 ppm, and again in April, etc. Thus, when we compare the average seasonal cycle of many years we would expect a difference to accumulate after a number of months, each missing 0.2 ppm. The International Energy Agency expects global CO2 emissions to drop by 8% this year. Clearly, we cannot see a global effect like that in less than a year. CO2 would continue to increase at almost the same rate, which illustrates that to tackle our global heating emergency aggressive investments need to be made in alternative energy sources.

    https://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/index.html#co2change

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      Greg in NZ

      Chad, GHEE?

      Global Heating Emergency Experiment (eek!).

      In these days of experimental vaccines and expensive medicines, how about a little pure, natural, solar Vitamin D.

      John Martyn, Sunshine’s Better.

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AQLgkRr9ahO

      (Have manually typed above address into this silly tablet: if it’s wrong or goes nowhere, look up John Martyn + Sunshine’s Better + Talvin Singh remix)

      Another lovely morning in the warm sun here; ’tis a different story down south with all the mountains coated in white thanks to the Great Australian Blizzard of 2020… ghee!

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      Chad

      Well , i dont know how , but that linked to a different track than i intended,
      This is the standout for me..
      https://youtu.be/JeWZmpCxjIw

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    greggg

    Madagascar using CVO herbal tea for CoVid:
    https://www.thesouthafrican.com/lifestyle/what-is-in-madagascar-cure-disease-herbal-tea-senegal-order/
    It contains artemesia annua. They don’t mention what other herbs. Artemisia annua extract has been found effective against SARS:
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7114104/?report=reader
    It’s usually used for malaria parasites but is broadly antiviral. I’ve been letting it seed itself and spread in my garden.
    Madagascar has 149 cases, 66% recovered with no deaths:
    https://covid19stats.com/Madagascar
    Of course dumb*rs*s in the MSM have ridiculed the CVO tea.

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    disorganise

    Sweet Child O’ Mine – Shred Guitar version
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gpIxto5MOY

    And an awesome Heart cover (Barracuda)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3ecFdRhwPc

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    Chad

    An unforgettable performance..
    https://youtu.be/i8rVI7AMKiY

    And This always raises a smile..
    https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ

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    Chad

    On A roll now..
    Chech out the quality og this remastered video from 40+ years ago..
    Top rock band , in its prime.
    https://youtu.be/Gu9HhYv0C7E

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      RicDre

      Here is Michelle’s version of how that song was created (From SongFacts):

      In a 2002 interview with National Public Radio (NPR), Michelle Phillips explained how this song came about. It was 1963, and she was newly married to John Phillips. They were living in New York City, which was having a particularly cold winter, at least by Michelle’s standards as she was from sunny California. John would walk around the apartment at night working out tunes, and one morning brought the first verse of the song to Michelle. It was a song about longing to be in another place, and it was inspired by Michelle’s homesickness.

      Michelle enjoyed visiting churches, and a few days before, she and John visited St. Patrick’s Cathedral, which inspired the second verse (“Stopped into a church…”). John hated the verse, as he was turned off to churches by unpleasant memories of parochial school, but he couldn’t think of anything better so he left it in.

      Here another nice Tune from the Moma’s and the Popa’s:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUr5_QVPCAI

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    RicDre

    Here’s one from one of my favorite singers:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPmbT5XC-q0

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    RicDre

    And for something a little different:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPK7ZF6jfJE

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    RicDre

    This is one of my favorite Simon and Garfunkel songs an I particularly love this version:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G8RzLpWy4M

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    Ferguson resigns after visiting married lover

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8289921/Scientist-advice-led-lockdown-QUITS-breaking-restrictions-meet-married-lover.html

    Hopeful someone better at modelling will take his place

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      Greg in NZ

      Sounds similar to our Minister of Health – you know, the bloke telling New Zealanders to stay at home and shelter in place – who was busted for driving up-country to go mountain biking, then taking his family out of the city for a drive to the beach, THEN moving house, all during the State of Emergency Panic Level 4.

      Under normal circumstances, Empress Jacindarella said, she would’ve fired him, but… but… she was being ‘kind’, or sumpfink.

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      RicDre

      My favorite is CNN’s Chris Cuomo staging a phony exit from his basement quarantine when he had in fact broken the quarantine earlier on Easter when he and his family went out to visit a new house he is having built possibly infecting his wife who would later test positive for the coronavirus.

      https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2020/04/21/nolte-cnn-stages-chris-cuomos-phony-exit-from-basement-quarantine/

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      Bill In Oz

      I read somewhere he had already had this disease
      So he thought he was immune…
      Perhaps he wanted to share it round
      With married lover and her family ?
      What some folks will do for a bit of sex !

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    Travis T. Jones

    What makes this song great?

    Episode 81: Stevie Wonder, “Superstition”.

    Rick Beato deconstructs the song – hear things that will amaze-

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7d7A5Tvn4

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    cedarhill

    It could be a very long time before the numbers can be used for any meaningful analysis. Just in from the USA State of Virginia:

    https://www.nbc12.com/2020/05/01/virginia-is-seeing-jump-covid-testing/

    Some relatives of mine living in Virginia and in hospital have had several tests for CV-19 (so far none positive) but it’s not unusual for positives to be re-tested periodically as their symptoms fade.

    It’s difficult to believe that the reason for this change is political.

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    Lance

    Upbeat, as requested 🙂

    Jesse Cook, Brio : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKbO51WujAc

    Jesse Cook, Come What May: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwQYKAfmpnU

    Roy Eldridge, Wabash Stomp: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_PXRV9mmDM

    Benny Goodman, Sing Sing Sing : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mJ4dpNal_k

    Mika Agematsu, Kuuso Sanpodo : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNlnd4b8UOs

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    el gordo

    The bushfire royal commission should find the troof.

    ‘A group of senior Australian scientists have warned in an international journal that logging native forests makes fire more severe and is likely to have exacerbated the country’s catastrophic summer bushfires.

    ‘In a comment piece published in the journal Nature Ecology and Evolution, the scientists call for a clearer discussion about how land management and forestry practices contribute to fire risk.’

    Guardian

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      Peter C

      Yes I read that headline.

      I thought; how is it possible for these apparently intelligent people to get this so wrong! They have inverted the truth.

      Logged coops create fire breaks. Logging tracks make good access for fire fighting crews. Somehow the opposite of what scientist turkeys have opined.

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      robert rosicka

      I heard one of the “scientists ” talking about the “science” that went along with the ridiculous claims he was making and next caller was someone from the forestry industry and said this report was labeled an opinion piece and had no relevance.
      Some of the claims made by this obviously biased greenie scientist were laughable and stood out more like propaganda than factual .
      Logging a burnt out area made it more fireprone , Logging any forest makes it more fireprone etc etc .
      Logging bad , tree hugging good and the cherry picking of fire history in Victoriastan was SOP for the green movement.

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    Geoff Sherrington

    Sad that so many here talk only of modern music and song, when by far the best was created masterfully before year 1900.
    Try some opera like Nabucco by Verdi. Some orchestral by Beethoven like one of his 9 symphonies, with the final movement of the 9th having choral, regarded by many as the best music ever composed.
    If we were talking painting, I would also prefer Old Masters like Rembrandt, to moderns like Warhol with his cans of soup.
    The contrast of old and new, in music and art, is not slender. It is pronounced and enjoyable.
    If it was climate research equivalents, we can enjoy classic Lamb more than modern pop-sci Mann. Geoff S

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      RicDre

      “Sad that so many here talk only of modern music and song…”

      I love Classical music. The main reason I have a subscription to SiriusXM Satellite radio is so that can listen to Symphony Hall channel 76 which plays classical music without commercials. Its great on long drive as you don’t have to worry about changing channels every couple of hours (although I have heard it said that listening to Baroque Music while driving will cause you to drive too fast).

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      Geoff,

      Even though I came to my appreciation of music (just like nearly everyone else did) around the age of 12/13 about the time I started High School, and that was I suppose the Golden Years, the early 1960s when so much music came out of the UK at a bewildering speed, as each week, there was a plethora of new songs to like, I found that I liked music across virtually all the genres, except I still think Rap is missing the ‘C’.

      I have a few classical records, and there’s a lot of classical music I do like.

      A favourite is from Dmitri Shostakovich and his 1955 Gadfly Suite, and this is the ‘Romance’ theme.

      Before hearing this, I was never really keen on the violin. This is just so beautiful.

      Romance from The Gadfly Suite

      Tony.

      Postscript – And even when it comes to rap, I do like the song that crossed rap into the mainstream, Rapture from Blondie.

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      Chad

      Geoff,. Music and its appreciation is all about emotions , people , and memories associated with the particular tunes.
      Many refer to certain music as “The Story of their life” because if brings back an overwhelming rush of memories.
      For many it is classics, others Rock, Folk or Musical Theatre .
      Its not about taste or education,..its just about life and experience
      Great music is very personal and different for each individual, and i have learned there is little to be gained by exposing others to your own personal favourites Even if they “like” it, it will not mean the same to them as it does to you
      This Jckson Brown track takes me back to long hot road trips and warm , drunken evenings in California music bars.in the ‘70s…like no number of photos, or movies ever could. !
      https://youtu.be/8I5vJnW-aW4

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      Orson

      The 1960s classic Hollywood film The Graduate, once famous for a single word of elder advice to a young man…now recast today 1840s pre music mad Europe because the rising middle class want not just new sports but new music too, “One word: Schubert [lieder, or art song].”

      I apologise to be so esoteric. But lockdown has had me dipping into the two volumes of Franz Liszt Letters. He became the rock Star of music during the mid to later 19th century, he toured everywhere, often constantly, opined liberally about every known kind of music, and corresponded with people low and high.

      What a Mensch. And Liszt helped popularise Franz Schubert, who said of himself that he was born to be a composing machine, dies younger than Mozart in obscurity, yet wrote more and arguably better than popular Wunderkind, Mozart! Liszt championed the early romanticism of Schubert, as well as his lyrical melodicism.

      Hell of a time in music history, 1840s to 1890. And Liszt wrote many, many transcriptions for piano of Bach and Wagner pieces, three albums worth of which you may listen to, for free, at YouTube.

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    el gordo

    Compound in licorice extract has potential to treat coronavirus, Chinese study finds.

    ‘Liquiritin found to significantly inhibit rapid replication of the new virus in monkey cells, according to researchers. They used artificial intelligence for initial study of the compound, which is used in traditional Chinese medicine.’

    SCMP

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    Ross

    This young lady from the UK is worth listening to –Inaya Folarin Iman. Her talk is part of a longer GWPF video. She is introduced at 23.00

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tb5JuObzJY&feature=youtu.be&t=1398

    Her talk goes for about 15 minutes.

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      Sceptical Sam

      Yes Ross. Lots to think about there.

      “The re-conceptualization of freedom”

      Thanks.

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    Model panic for sure:

    Unsuitable for ‘human life to flourish’: Up to 3B will live in extreme heat by 2070, study warns

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/unsuitable-human-life-flourish-3b-190011473.html

    USA Today is a trusted source, but they here publish pure speculation as accepted fact. Note the “fact stating” headline.

    The question is how to change how they report this stuff? We now have data about children being terrorized by climate change fears. Perhaps suing for an injunction against panic mongering?

    David

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      Raving

      The covid19 pandemic demonstrates how quick humans are to change altered circumstances.

      The USAToday article left out that where one lives is also a lifestyle choice. see quote below. Consider the Innuit and those who inhabit deserts.

      Am not going to insist that humans live in oppressively hot or cold environments but we have been doing so for a very long time. Wih technology, it is easier than ever

      From the NYT version of this story

      “We didn’t think that would be the case,” Dr. Scheffer said, because people have clothing and technologies like air conditioning and heating that, over centuries, would have enabled them to populate areas with a much broader range of temperatures.

      https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/04/climate/heat-temperatures-climate-change.html?referringSource=articleShare

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    Peter C

    Its One Rule for Them!

    (Professor Neil Ferguson,)The UK scientist whose doomsday predictions triggered a massive lockdown on both sides of the Atlantic has resigned his government advisory position, amid claims he broke the strict lockdown rules he pushed to meet his married lover.

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/05/05/professor-lockdown-quits-after-breaking-own-rules-to-meet-lover/

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    RicDre

    “USA Today is a trusted source…”

    Trusted by whom? It prints that sort of drivel all the time. It rightfully earned the name McNews. It was often given away for free by hotels, rent-a-car businesses and long-term airport parking businesses and I often wondered if that was because they had a hard time getting people to pay for a copy of USA Today.

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    cedarhill

    Suppose one hundred people mingle in an area where CV-19 is prevalent meaning 100 are exposed. Twenty contract CV-19 while eighty do not. Of the twenty that contract the virus, sixteen show little or no symptoms. The remaining four have treatable symptoms and one dies.
    From the literature, essentially all respiratory viruses have similar patterns.

    Why?

    You read about all sorts of reasons from broadly the generic speculative (viral load, genetics, etc.) to specific minutia (vitamin D deficiency, obesity, etc.). This video (starting at 04:54) interview with Dr. Aseem Malhotra, Brit cardiologist who points to those with metabolic syndrome having the highest risk of death from CV-19.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODmcIIDSpi0

    Obesity, type 2 diabetes, degraded immune systems, high chronic inflammation, cardio vascular disease, dementia – all are the hallmarks of metabolic syndrome.

    And he states in 21 days you can completely reverse it and dramatically reduce your risk of dying from CV-19. What I like about it is that it’s free and just about everyone can do it.

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    Kalm Keith

    Music is one way to take the pressure off; having another perspective may also do the same trick.

    From the Lancet, end of 2017.

    “”According to new estimates published today, between 291,000 and 646,000 people worldwide die from seasonal influenza-related respiratory illnesses each year, higher than a previous estimate of 250,000 to 500,000 and based on a robust, multinational survey. “”

    Deaths in this situation are never “Good” but just knowing that we have “been here before” offers a sense that if the world didn’t collapse then, it won’t now.

    That’s Mortality.

    The other CV19 issues of transmissability and remnant permanent damage to survivors that Jo has clearly outlined are of great concern.

    KK

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      Bill In Oz

      True, I’m really missing Argentine Tango,
      The music and the dance
      Meeting friends there..
      But soon I hope we here in SA
      Will have that part of our lives back..
      14 days of zero & counting…
      🙂

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    Bill In Oz

    “From the literature, essentially all respiratory viruses have similar patterns.”

    How does anyone know ?
    This disease has been around for 4-5 months

    The problem is that this CCP Corona virus causes a new disease
    Which researchers and patients and the rest of us
    Are all finding out about now.
    New insights almost every few days…

    Usually I like Malhotra.. And agree with him.
    But here he is jumping the gun far too early…

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    You-all might have seen this
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q1I44l_kGg
    THE TRUTH WAITS FOR NO-ONE – Naomi Seibt
    It needs to be spread far and wide

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    tolip ydob

    For those interested in geology (and climate) looking for a casual edu-tangent.

    Nick Zentner, a US geologist/professor at Central Washington University has a couple of new videos/lectures on the topic of climate history.

    Ice Age Climate
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=301cuOz1MHo

    Volcanoes & Climate
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66bz9bENwZk

    He is streaming from lockdown, low budget and he can say whatever he wants.
    I prefer his polished content(earlier videos) but he never presented climate until he started streaming from his house/yard.

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    Peter C

    Australian Health Department Blunders.

    The following is a partial list”
    1. Ruby Princess passengers allowed to disembark, despite reports of illness on board and the previous recent experience of the Diamond Princess cruise liner. The harbour master was so concerned that he offered to stop the ship but Health Dept said No. Health Dept tries to blame the ships doctor.
    2. Outbreak of Covid19 in Northern Tasmania hospitals. The medical staff were blamed but the outbreak has now been linked to two passengers from the Ruby Princess, who flew home and were not quarantined or tested.
    3. Outbreak in a Victorian Meatworks. The index case was sick for 3 weeks before anyone was tested at the meatworks and then only when two more meat workers became sick.
    4. Victorian music teacher was sick for three weeks but was refused a test because of strict criteria. Schools were ordered to reopen and then he got a test after the reopening and a Victorian primary school was immediately shut again.
    5. Poor supervision of Nursing Homes. The Newmarch nursing home in NSDW is now associated with 56 cases and 19 deaths.
    6. A health care worker at the Launceston Hospital working in the Covid ward has tested positive two weeks after becoming sick and isolating.
    7. Victoria records 19 new cases and NSW 9 new cases in the past 24 hours

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      Serp

      Yes, item 3 is likely to create deepening embarrassment for the Andrews government which continues to maintain Chinese style secrecy as if a manual had arrived with the signing of the Belt and Road MOU last year.

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      Kalm Keith

      A curiosity mentioned several times before.

      The ventilation in nursing homes.

      Is it extracted immediately after entry to each room?

      Or is it “recirculated”.

      KK

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      Orson

      Great list, Peter. Let’s wonder if we’ll learn, and how Oz opens up differently? Over in New Zealand, the epidemiologist Micheal Baker at Otago University envisions at least cloth masks for any close activity under Level 2 p…and beyond:

      [Michael] Baker wants to see it become compulsory for anyone inside a public venue such as a bar, restaurant, cafe or cinema, and also on public transport. But it wouldn’t be required if you’re at the beach or park.

      He believes if everyone has to wear a mask then it reduces the stigma attached to it since we’re all in the same situation.

      He says the latest evidence overwhelmingly shows the virus is spread indoors and by everyday contact.

      “Just talking, laughing, conversing, all the things we want to do in these indoor environments is very good at transmitting the virus, so we need another barrier.”

      The countries that have had the most success combatting COVID-19 – such as Taiwan – have all made wearing face masks in public compulsory.

      In the past week, Germany and Spain have also made them mandatory to wear in public as both countries begin to come out of their lockdowns.

      Source https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/05/coronavirus-epidemiologist-urges-government-to-make-wearing-masks-in-public-compulsory-at-alert-level-2.html

      Will the public accept this as necessary? Will the sorting of different and more or less transmissible dominant strains of the virus permit flexibility on this nagging, noisome protection?

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    Where there be secrecy myth and in the case of the CV19, unknowns, yr myth abounds. Agree with Ben Shapiro,
    re the plan. https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/1257650073996951553 Goal of flattening the wire was to avoid possible swamping of the health system, Mission accomplished. Waiting for vaccines is kinda’ like waiting for Godot.

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      Environment Skeptic

      “waiting for Godot” indeed 🙂

      From “Waiting For Godot”
      “Waiting for Godot Quotes:

      ““Let’s go.” “We can’t.” “Why not?” “We’re waiting for Godot.”

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      Bill In Oz

      200 + Indians stranded in Australia request help to go home.
      I suspect that there are far more Indians here on temporary visas
      Who do not want to go home.
      For whatever reasons.

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    cedarhill

    More on HCQ from WattsUpWithThat article “The Many Effects of Hydroxychloroquine against COVIUD-19” and, imho, very important facts:

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/05/05/many-effects-of-hydroxychloroquine-against-covid-19/

    The combo (below) works in several ways.
    HCQ = hydroxychloroquind
    Zn = Zinc
    AZ = Azithromycin

    Point summary:

    1. start HCQ combo (zinc, AZ (Azithromycin) as early as possible
    2. HCQ needs to accumulate
    3. suppresses SARS-CoV-2 spike (ACE2 interaction) used to enter cells
    4. Zinc prevents viruses from multiplying in a cell
    5. Zinc, by itself, cannot cross cell membranes but with HCQ is a Zinc ionophore (carries things into a cell)
    6. no clinical reports of any combo of HCQ other than HCQ-Zn-Az
    7. main cause of death from COVID-19 is a cytokinetic storm (huge excessive immune response)
    8. HCQ is a mild immunosuppressant used against diseases like lupus and rheumatoid arthritis
    9. HCQ decreases the excessive immune response and can do so at any stage of COVID-19
    10. HCQ was noted for both it’s antiviral and immunomodulatory effects since 2003.
    11. HCQ combo are being used in clinical (treatment) centers all over the world.

    Facts not stated in the article:

    A. Malarial treatment using quinine started in 1799 and given to Brit soldiers in Africa dervied from the cinchona
    B. FDA approval given in 1955.
    C. WHO estimated in 2018 over 228 million cases of malaria with HCQ as the primary treatment meaning millions of doses administered yearly.
    D. HCQ side effects are well known as described at the Mayo Clinic url https://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements/hydroxychloroquine-oral-route/side-effects/drg-20064216
    E. Azithromycin was discovered in 1980 and approved for use in 1988 and also has well known list of side effects with over 12 million prescriptions in the US per year.
    F. Zinc is simply an element and is taken by millions and has known toxicity at specific levels.
    g. a layman reading of the side effects (long term usages, etc.) don’t appear to have any life threatening results that a treating MD would not recognize immediately.

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    Question:
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    Given the thousands of patients treated and being treated with HCQ comb, why does CDC (Fauci, et al) why have they (as a panel of experts) withdrawn guidelines and actually denigrate it’s use. The reason given/hinted at is lack of “randomized double blind clinical trials” thus it’s “dangerous”.

    Yet the clinicians reported thousands of cases that are far beyond any clinical trial population size conceivable. And the treatment saves lives.
    What gives?
    An over abundance of caution?

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    The Guardian links criticism of epidemiologist Neil Ferguson to Climategate

    The promoters of climate change denial, which include some newspapers, are well used to attacking scientists whose work they do not like. Lawson’s foundation was launched just a few days after the publication in late November 2009 of emails that had been hacked from the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia. He and other so-called “sceptics” falsely suggested that the emails revealed misconduct by climate scientists.

    Within a few hours of his work being misrepresented around the world, the head of the unit, Prof Phil Jones, started to receive threats against his life and the lives of his family. He later admitted that he had even contemplated suicide before numerous inquiries cleared him of any scientific wrongdoing.

    It is fortunate that Jones did not succumb after such a concerted assault on his reputation. A similar ordeal apparently caused Dr David Kelly to take his own life after the biological weapons expert was hounded for revealing that the threat posed by Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction had been exaggerated by Tony Blair’s government.

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    CLINTEL says “Don’t fight nature, but adapt to it”
    By David Wojick

    https://www.cfact.org/2020/05/06/clintel-says-dont-fight-nature-but-adapt-to-it/

    Here is the beginning of the article:

    Over at Climate Depot, Marc Morano has been collecting foolish alarmist calls for using the economic crisis to further their goofy green deals. https://www.climatedepot.com/
    CLINTEL has issued a counter call, asking government to quit trying to stop naturally occurring events, like the emergence of a new virus, and climate change, especially so-called green deals.

    The format is a letter that will be sent to parliaments around the world, beginning with the Netherlands where CLINTEL is headquartered. The lead author of the letter is Professor Guus Berkhout, CLINTEL’s president. See https://clintel.org.

    Professor Berkhout puts it this way: “CLINTEL gives members of parliament a shot in the arm and offers them a spot on the horizon to get the economy back on its feet without utopian experiments.“

    The letter is titled “Don’t fight nature, but adapt to it” and the first paragraph is this:

    “After lifting the COVID-19 lockdowns, national parliaments must oppose the impracticable green agendas of supranational organizations to construct a utopian Earth. Instead of spending trillions of dollars on fighting the unpredictable changes caused by natural variability (‘autonomous changes’), parliaments should focus on adapting to those changes. Dear members of parliament, with all due respect, do not fight against climate change and virus outbreaks, but adapt to the consequences. The world must move from top-down mitigation to bottom-up adaptation.“

    Note that this does not mean do not fight the spread of new viruses. On the contrary the idea is to adapt to their existence by being prepared for them. The same is true for climate change, extreme events, sea level rise, etc., no matter how these things are caused.

    According to CLINTEL the primary obstacle to efficient adaptation is the pernicious influence of supranational organizations, wielding computer models and calling for unworkable technological fixes. Here is how the second paragraph describes this unhealthy political engineering:

    “Believing computer models is believing the makers

    Decisions about the comings and goings of society are increasingly taken by poorly informed politicians who have a rock-solid faith in the outcome of computer models and immature technologies. The belief that people can solve all problems with supercomputers – the ideology of constructing a utopian Earth – has grown strongly in recent years. By linking computer-controlled policies to supranational governance, experiments are started to engineer a ‘perfect’ society in which idealists believe all current global problems can be solved.

    But the reality is very different. The climate debate in recent years and the coronavirus chaos of today show that the prophesied blessings of a politically engineered world do not exist. We are collectively being pushed into the wrong direction. National parliaments have become puppets of the megalomaniacal supranational organizations, as created by the UN and the EU.”

    The rest of the CLINTEL open letter to parliaments is included, plus some observations on my part.

    Please share this.

    David

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    Will spread it around, David. )

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    cedarhill

    Another epidemiological/observational study that points to those having high glucose having several times the death rates that those without high glucose.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVe-NyTFKgg

    And, if one believes Russian Times, yet another breakthrough with antibodies. This time the Germans:

    https://www.rt.com/news/487880-german-scientists-coronavirus-antibody-treatment/

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    Kalm Keith

    This should go to Ye Banks,

    A civilisation ” never to return “?

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eHMjPr4Jiow

    KK

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