JoNova

A science presenter, writer, speaker & former TV host; author of The Skeptic's Handbook (over 200,000 copies distributed & available in 15 languages).


Handbooks


Advertising


Australian Speakers Agency



GoldNerds

The nerds have the numbers on precious metals investments on the ASX



The Skeptics Handbook

Think it has been debunked? See here.

The Skeptics Handbook II

Climate Money Paper



Archives

Global warming causes snow in SA, Victoria, NSW and “coldest day for 50 years”

Spring snow has fallen in Ballarat and even parts of mid north South Australia, and regional NSW.

Unlike warm spells which are caused by air conditioners and SUV’s, cold spells are due to “polar air masses” that evidently got lost on the way to school or something.

Someone was reported Skiing in mid north South Australia. The normal ski season here was winding down, normally closing in early October, and that’s in the Alps.

In the many posts under #Snow, Australians are reported to be confused, mistaking white stuff for blossoms and other things.  One Australian cried at seeing her first snow. Others just wonder what it is:

“Whyte Yarcowie resident Judy Lewis said she initially could not believe what she was seeing when she noticed a white blanket over her car and front yard.

“I got up to make a coffee and I looked out and I thought, ‘What’s all that white on the car?’” she said.”

Snow in Australia in places that almost never get snow.

Snow falls in South Australia, hail lashes Adelaide in unusually chilly September cold snap

Spring snow has blanketed parts of regional South Australia — with falls in the state’s Mid North thick enough for some to start skiing — amid an unusually cold snap at the end of September.

Snow fell at altitudes as low as 200m above sea level in Victoria.

Snow blankets central Victoria as Ballarat records coldest September day in more than 50 years

Victorians have been left shivering by an Antarctic blast that swept across the state, bringing significant snowfalls and the coldest September day in more than half a century to the regional city of Ballarat.

Nicole Lewer had lived in Lismore for more than a decade and had also never seen so much snow.

“I thought someone was losing their blossoms in the wind, and on closer inspection it was snow,” she said.

The Bureau of Meteorology said Ballarat recorded its coldest September day since 1969.

 

I hope this twitter vid shows up.

VN:F [1.9.22_1171]
Rating: 9.9/10 (60 votes cast)
Global warming causes snow in SA, Victoria, NSW and "coldest day for 50 years", 9.9 out of 10 based on 60 ratings

63 comments to Global warming causes snow in SA, Victoria, NSW and “coldest day for 50 years”

  • #
    David Maddison

    I usually go snow shoeing and snow camping in winter. Because of the lockdown in Victoriastan I couldn’t do it this year. Maybe this late snow will mean another chance.

    71

  • #
    David Maddison

    As the world cools, I wonder how Australia is going to survive without cheap electricity or natural gas and an under developed dam and irrigation system? Plus an ongoing fanatical commitment to expensive and unreliable electricity and fanatical opposition to dam building?

    281

    • #
      Salome

      They would be super policies for the Victorian opposition to take to the next election. They’ve already got lots of free advertising footage from the Commission of Inquiry, so maybe they can spend money on policy development.

      50

  • #
    Annie

    It all looked very pretty while I was driving over the Black Spur! It was snowing heavily and settling quite a bit, though I guess rather wet snow won’t stay around for long. It was sleeting as I came up out of Healesville and sleeting/ snowing at Narbethong.
    We’d had to retrieve our repaired car; major clutch fail needed major repair in Melbourne…sigh! At least it gave a chance to see the snow. Our place is majorly wet here; good thing the mowing was done yesterday.

    130

    • #
      robert rosicka

      Snowing at Cobbler and supposed to be a light dusting at Mt Glenrowan, everything around here is waterlogged and I’m told the forecast for this area is rain for the next two weeks .

      70

  • #
    Deano

    “Unlike warm spells which are caused by air conditioners and SUV’s, cold spells are due to “polar air masses”

    - no, warm days are classified as global warming while cold snaps get called climate change. It’s like betting on a horse called ‘Giddyup’ in a race where every horse has that name.

    (just had a laugh imaging the race caller calling that one!)

    100

  • #
    Saighdear

    Hmmm, whatif, what IF, what if there were to be another Ice Age developing from the SOUTH this time? – anyone done any research on that subject? …
    Here, stuck in N Scotland ( covid lockdowns again) It has ONLY been warm for a week – 10 days in the Middle of September – been a COLD ( Cauld) summer – odd hot days but the nights were always cold. We notice that the Cold (Tap/Mains ) Water supply has not warmed as much as usual over the Summer months. Indicates that Soil Temps are less than normal anf IF we have a cold winter, will there be frozen water Mains? …. I see there’s Snow in the Euro Alps already to quite low down ( Engadin Airport). MAybe we’re heading for Snowball Earth this next few months…. Coming to join us? Oh noses – forgot about coughid !

    100

    • #
      el gordo

      As you know we are living through an ice age and every 100,000 years there is a brief interglacial respite and we appear to have reached the end of that interlude. There is no indication that this Holocene Interglacial has reached its ‘used by’ date just yet.

      50

  • #
    Dave in the States

    That photo looks familiar. I have seen similar scenes many times, and any time of year.

    20

  • #
    nb

    Extreme weather alert!
    At my location in Victoria average highs and lows for the year have declined for each of the last three years. A total decline of 1.1C for highs, and 0.4C decline for lows.
    Could go up, could go down. One thing is for sure, if it continues to go down you’ll never hear about it! Or, in fact, it’ll be tortured somehow into a rise, even if we have to stand on our heads to make it so.
    An interesting listen:
    The James Delingpole Channel – Peter Foster
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9r42YUx0Qo

    70

  • #
    OriginalSteve

    Maybe the windmills are sucking the heat out of the air and dropping the air temps….?

    40

  • #
    tonyb

    Jo, Jo, Jo, Jo, Jo. Have you forgotten all you have ever learnt about Atmospheric Physics?

    Here in the UK our temperature on upland Dartmoor on Monday was 26 Degrees Centigrade. Enough to force our walk to be diverted from the open moor to a shady forest. Today the temperature is a chilly 11 degrees Centigrade. Why? The reason is self apparently Co2. On Monday it must have been approximately 527PPM giving us those highs. Today it is around 280ppm bringing us this chill. Obvious.

    Now I don’t know the precise temperatures of the incidents you cite, but something similar must have happened in Oz, as CO2 is well known to be the root cause of our climate emergency and the attendant swings in temperature. I am surprised and disappointed you didn’t realise this.

    (I don’t need to put ‘sarc’ on an Australian blog do I?)

    210

    • #
      Mark D.

      How about: Jo, Jo, Jo, Jo. Have you forgotten how all that Co2 messed up atmosphere causes WILD temperature swings with more hot AND cold, more rain AND drought, more ice AND vapor, more food AND starvation, more pain AND suffering more wealth (via green investment) AND poverty (via carbon taxes), more bad AND worse, more government AND regulation, more More MORE!

      AND we all KNOW this is weather not climate anyway…….. We can freeze for 30 years in a row before you can claim something like cooling “climate”

      130

      • #

        tonyb really sorry to hear the UK ran out of CO2 this week. Hope you find some. :-)

        200

        • #
          Greg in NZ

          Apparently here in the antipodes we’re in for some of that wildly fluctuating CO2 effect this weekend as well: warm mid-20s today as the pre-frontal NW foehn roars off the mountains then, thanks to all those windmills spinning & sucking all that dreaded carbon pollution (sic) out of the atmosphere, a plunge to single digits – and even colder – come Sunday/Monday.

          Oh for the days of B.F. (Before Ford) when life was idyllic and the climate was equitable and everyone lived in sustainable harmony… or sumpfink.

          80

    • #
      sophocles

      Its the Media I feel sorry for!

      The world is a few weeks, according Climate.gov six months into a La Nina and the MSM is not going to be able to tell whether they’re having a Heat Wave™ or a Blizzard! It’s going to be fun watching the poor things … :-D

      Yep: the Climate is a-changing!

      I posted the El Nino / La Nina graph in Thursdays Open Thread. On that graph, you can see the La Nina portion going back almost six months, but NOAA is only admitting it since last month. (The modern SEs (Stupidly Enigmatic Search Engines which ante up with completely different results each time) are really annoying!)

      40

  • #

    Let me point out the most killer argument against mainstream climate science. It is way more obvious than the missing hot spot.

    Water vapor is a greenhouse gas. There is on average 50 times as much of it in the atmosphere as CO2. Explain how CO2 is dominant?

    I have had warmists reply to that with clap trap about how water vapor is not persistent. So. What? Do what the earth does. Integrate. Sum over time.

    We have to demystify their stupid science. This mistake is huge and they have no defense. If in fact CO2 is a problem, water vapor calls for draining the oceans. Let then get past that one.

    BTW it has been a while. Heart attacks etc. I’m good for a few more years at least.

    130

  • #
  • #
    MCMXLIII

    Trove has items reporting snow in mid-north of South Australia but mainly in June – July 1880, 1903, 1949, 1951(probably more) but the latest in the year seems to be in the year in 1910:

    SNOW ON FLINDERS RANGE.
    PORT AUGUSTA, October 10.
    A heavy fall of snow took place on
    the Flinders Range early this morning.
    Mount Brown and other peaks were cov-
    ered. They were visible from Port Au-
    gusta and made a pretty sight when the
    sun shone on them. Strong and cold
    winds blew in the port last night, the
    lowest temperature being 41 deg (5C).

    As an aside 1910 is when the BOM chooses to start its temperature record.

    50

    • #
      el gordo

      Its no coincidence that 1910 is around the time of the Gleissberg Minimum and I wonder if the synoptic was the same as now?

      http://www.bom.gov.au/fwo/IDY65100.pdf

      11

      • #
        Peter C

        Hard to know. Weather maps were very rudimentary in 1910.

        By the way, that Southern hemisphere synoptic chart shows the isobars (which indicate the wind direction) going almost straight from the coast of Antarctica to Victoria and SA!

        10

      • #
        MCMXLIII

        Those patterns look very intense possibly (partly) due to the map projection.

        10

        • #
          el gordo

          Putting that aside, if our colleague wx cycles was here he could explain it better.

          My guesstimate, the jet stream faulted and the high pressure slipped into the southern ocean and then the jet stream revved up again, trapping the blocking high. The subtropical ridge has momentarily collapsed over Oz.

          Its not in the AGW script so they’ll say its anomalous weather, but I think its a regional cooling signal. The riddle might be in the ocean, do you see any anomalies?

          https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/ocean/surface/currents/overlay=sea_surface_temp_anomaly/orthographic=-220.33,-50.04,1061/loc=135.834,-45.797

          00

          • #
            Peter C

            The riddle might be in the ocean, do you see any anomalies?

            No I don’t.

            What I did see on the synoptic chart was a High Pressure system, displaced to the south for this time of the year and rather distorted N/S. I don’t know what caused that but that High caused the southerly airflow from the south polar regions which brought the cold conditions to us right now.

            10

    • #
      Another Ian

      Watching for it to move to 1911 after finding that report?

      10

      • #
        Another Ian

        Moderation on that? Must be my turn
        [I'm not supposed to tell but if I say "truthers" will that help?] ED

        20

        • #
          sophocles

          It’s scary when you craft a very straightforward post with just one link, proof read it then click submit.

          And it disappears, totally — even the “Leave a Reply” editor window is cleared so there is no record anywhere of what you wrote.

          That happened to my note about Betelgeuse on the Thursday Open Thread.
          Poof! Gone … all of it. I chickened out and went to bed.

          My Thanks to the Moderator who spotted it and resurrected it …
          I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: the moderation on this site is brilliant.

          [I hope that isn't sarcasm!

          The various auto filters catch stuff that baffles us too. If a comment disappears and you can't see it as "moderated" that means it is caught by the auto spam filter not the usual moderation filter. If this happens you are welcome to send an e-mail (support@) to give us notice. The spam filter is a nasty necessity but makes unfortunate mistakes. The sheer volume of spam-sometimes hundreds per 24 hours- can/will obscure any legitimate comments pretty reliably. By sending us a note we can go fish it out sooner. Please know that I've been watching the spam filter much more closely for about the last three months. The spam filter has an evil memory and IP addresses that were the source of past spam are burned into it. If the IP addresses that were the source of spam get re-assigned, the filter will not know the difference. Unfortunately the real reason is never known for sure.] ED

          30

          • #
            Peter C

            Thanks Ed,

            I must be well burned into the Spam Filter memory by now. All my comments have been released eventually.

            It is disappointing that you have to deal with 100′s of spam every day. Thanks for your good work.

            30

  • #
    sophocles

    There’s a video clip on Suspicious Observers.org youtube channel that is a real giggle:

    I won’t give it away and spoil it for you:

    Trump Was Right | It’ll Start Getting Cooler

    30

  • #
    MCMXLIII

    I wondered how Snowtown (SA) got its unlikely name, a town (in)famous for another reason of course.

    20

    • #
      Stanley

      “No one is sure which member of the Snow family was being honoured when, in 1878, South Australian Governor William Jervois named the town after either Thomas Snow, who at the time was Jervois’ aide de camp or Sebastian Snow who was the governor’s private secretary. The Snows were reputedly his cousins.” Source: Aussie Towns website

      00

    • #
      Stanley

      [Duplicate]

      00

  • #

    The south wind doth blow and we shall have snow,
    and what will the Flame Robin do then poor thing?

    https://www.ventusky.com/?p=-37.73;146.93;6&l=rain-3h&t=20200925/0900

    20

  • #
    Meglort

    There is a paradox worthy of an army of PhD’s!

    Why is it that air conditioners and SUV’s cause the planet to warm, yet it is polar air masses that cause it to cool. But where did they come from?

    When I was a child pondering this, and thinking of the existence of woolly mammoths and massive reptilians and the climatic changes implied by the existence of both, I never considered then what we know now, that it was due to our devices being the climatic offsetting mechanism to drag us from the humbling cold – our humble transport and comfort devices playing a truly grand part in the wonder of nature.

    How such a truly scaled and cyclical global phenomena could have been at the whimsy of such practical devices over the aeons all along, is remarkable.

    10

  • #
    tygrus

    The Antarctica sea ice coverage peaked this year far above the 1980′s average. Casual observation would be the cold Antarctic air blown to Australia has not cost any significant amount of sea ice coverage from the Antarctic (ie. what warming?). The Arctic sea ice coverage minimum was probably the 2nd worst on record but we’ve seen large temperature fluctuations in the Northern hemisphere. https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/charctic-interactive-sea-ice-graph/

    00

  • #
    Yonniestone

    The snow caught out a few posties that didn’t look at the weather reports, not me I had full thermals, wet weather gear and gumboots.

    It was ~3C but felt like -3C with the wind chill factor, my throttle hand fully gloved almost seized up, not good for braking!

    40

  • #
    MCMXLIII

    If the AFL/VFL Grand Final were played today in Melbourne as it normally would, it would have been one of the coldest final days ever (see bar chart) with the likely maximum T about 12C, UHI effect notwithstanding.

    10

  • #
    Dennis

    On the NSW Mid North Coast and I thought the very cold weather had ended for 2020, and this weekend I have been carting firewood from the wood pile to the house again, noting forecasts for snow on the Great Dividing Range to my west.

    Another climate emergency?

    sarc.

    20

  • #

    Meanwhile in Central Queensland we’ve had a bit of SW wind today but hot and sunny, 30.5C at 4.30pm.

    30

  • #

    [...] Global warming causes snow in SA, Victoria, NSW and “coldest day for 50 years” Spring snow has fallen in Ballarat and even parts of mid north South Australia, and regional NSW. Unlike warm spells which are caused by air conditioners and SUV’s, cold spells are due to “polar air masses” that evidently got lost on the way to school or something. [...]

    00

  • #
    NZer

    Clearly SA has gone far too far with their windmills and solar panels, and will have to burn some coal to keep warm.

    00