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    Jojodogfacedboy

    When your born, you have no opinion, no choice and no vote to the forever and ever laws, trade deals and government programs imposed on you.
    Our governments never give us a choice even though many are redundant or ridiculous.

    This is what President Trump faced when taking office and many trade deals with other countries could not be broken without heavy penalties, if tried. Poor quality and cheap made in China all over the United States and coming in from countries like Mexico and Canada through the forever and ever trade deals.
    This is why President Trump started with tariffs and sanctions on products to break these trade deals and later put in agreements that can allow changes if necessary.

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      Yonniestone

      I believe the only natural right you have from birth that no one can take away is to defend yourself and fight, President Trump has reintroduced that concept to the American people.

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        Jojodogfacedboy

        The media would tell you that your racist if you stick up for yourself and fight back.
        President Trump has never been found on tape to say a racist word and yet they class him a racist.

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      yarpos

      Sort of what democracy and government are for. To do those things on behalf of the populace, and to be voted out of sufficiently inept or corrupt. Otherwise sure , everything is a compromise and personal views on laws, trade deal and government programs are only going to occasionally align with your personal preferences. Only about half or less of the population will understand or care about those topics anyway.

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    David Wojick

    An elementary level lesson that raises a big question. How much processed CO2 do we eat and drink each day?

    David

    Watching CO2 feed the world
    By David Wojick

    https://www.cfact.org/2020/08/01/watching-co2-feed-the-world/

    Watching a child grow is seeing carbon dioxide in action. Plants turn CO2 into the food we eat to live and grow on. “You can’t live on air” is a common saying but that is just what we do; we live on air and water.

    Few people appreciate this amazing fact, that CO2 in the air is the global food supply. Our meat, fruit and veggies, also our candy and ice cream, milk and wine, are built almost entirely from carbon dioxide and water. Everything we eat and drink.

    There is also a bit of nitrogen, to make protein, plus a bunch of trace minerals and vitamins, but you and I are basically composed of processed H2O and CO2.

    We should be very thankful that this CO2 food supply is increasing every year, along with our hungry mouths. Instead the climate alarmists want to reduce it, supposedly to make the weather better. This is truly stupid. Carbon dioxide is feeding the world, more every year. The last thing we want to do is reduce the global food supply.

    The chemistry is complex but the facts are simple (and miraculous). Plants use the energy of sunlight to transform CO2 and water into their food. They both live and grow on this food, just as we do. Animals eat the plants and each other, then we eat both. Thus we all live on processed carbon dioxide.

    It is no accident that we exhale water and carbon dioxide. We are simply completing what is called the carbon cycle when we do this. Our bodies use some of the CO2 based food for the energy they need to live and this returns the carbon dioxide and water to their original form. All living things exist this way.

    Carbon cycle: CO2 (+ water) in ­> Life­> CO2 (+ water) out.
    Life is a CO2 based miracle.

    It is a tragedy of ignorance that almost no one knows about this miracle. I have seen school lessons that actually teach the carbon cycle without mentioning carbon dioxide. They talk as though plants get their food from the ground, not the air.

    Even worse, CO2 is demonized as air pollution. The world’s food supply cannot be pollution. How stupid is that!

    To correct this ignorance it might be useful to label our foods with the amount of carbon dioxide they embody. We already label them for calories, fat, vitamins and such. People should learn how much CO2 they eat every day and be thankful for it.

    Water is plentiful in most places, but carbon dioxide is scarce everywhere. For every million molecules of air only about 400 are CO2. That plants can actually find and consume these scarce molecules is amazing in itself. That all life ultimately feeds on these molecules is even more amazing.

    A hundred years ago there were less than 300 molecules per million but happily that number has increased steadily. Plant productivity has increased accordingly, helping to feed our growing population. This is called the greening of planet Earth.

    The climate alarmists have people calculating their so-called “carbon footprint” which is how much CO2 they cause to be generated. Everyone should be proud of their carbon footprint; it is helping feed the world. Make it bigger, not smaller.

    For more on the miracle of carbon dioxide, check out the CO2 Coalition. For a lot of the science see the CO2 Science website.

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      MichaelinBrisbane

      Carbon dioxide is the cradle of our soul/mind/intelligence.

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      MichaelinBrisbane

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        tom0mason

        MichaelinBrisbane,
        How do you get a double post with identical time stamps on them?
        Maybe your post went through the edge of a wormhole in the fabric of time.

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      RickWill

      During the Denovian period, plant life flourished to the point of extinction as those same plants ripped CO2 from the atmosphere taking levels from 4000ppm to less than 400ppm. These rapid growers caused their own demise as the carbon was locked away in their fossils and atmospheric oxygen increased.

      Plants that emerged after the extinction of the tropical forests survived on much lower levels of CO2. Modern plant life is in a survival mode compared with the plants of the Denovian period that literally thrived on the abundant CO2.

      As humans make tiny steps to restore the balance, plant life is rewarding the effort with increasing food and forest productivity.

      Help restore the balance – burn some fossil every day. Or even wood before it becomes fossilised.

      Life on Earth is a competition. Humans are able to restore the balance so the forests again flourish and can provide ample energy each year to meet human needs if only we can return more of the fossilised carbon to the atmosphere.

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        Serp

        That’ll be the Devonian rather than Denovian RickWill; I’d have shut up but you repeated it.

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          ( Sorry original ended in wrong place)

          As someone living in Devon I think Denovia has a nice ring to it. It sounds a bit like a mini country.

          Greetings to all in Oz from the self proclaimed king of Denovia ( well I was born in Windsor within sight of the castle)

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      Just Thinkin'

      A great read David.
      I’m sharing your page.

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    David Maddison

    I didn’t realise the US timber size “2×4″ is not actually that size. It is actually a milled size of 1.5×3.5 or 38mmx89mm. This is comparable with Australian 35×90 or 45×70 for timber framing.

    Just sayin’.

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      Yonniestone

      True David but its a lot easier to say “four by two” than than “one point five by three point five” so the rounded up version stuck. ;)

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        David Maddison

        Now I better understand the American idiomatic expression “It hit me like a two by four”. They are really meaning “It hit me like a one point five by three point five”. LoL

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          OriginalSteve

          “Hit me like a half brick” is also an expression that is concise and immediately clear….

          On another topic…I had a nice quiet day planned today…my wife has just changed all that….how do they find so much “stuff” to do…?

          About as far as it goes was maybe breakfast and picking my daughter up from work…now however its like a bee in a bottle….*sigh*

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            Another Ian

            They have the “Honey-do” list I’m told

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            Graeme No.3

            Reminds me of the bloke I met who had come back to work (as a temporary and way under his position when he retired). He explained that the day after he retired and was thinking of golf, his wife gave him an A4 page headed “things to do”. As he gazed at all the work she handed him another 3 pages saying “these go with it”.
            He figured it was easier to work in temporary positions and use the money to hire tradesmen.

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      robert rosicka

      90×35 and 90×45 are our standard most common sizes in oz , 90×35 is commonly used for studs in walls and 90×45 are used as plates ( top and Bottom) , 70×35 and 70×45 mainly used for non load bearing framing although is becoming harder to source in the full range of lengths.

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      GrahamP

      If my memory serves me correctly 4 x 2 (Australian vernacular) referred to the rough sawn dimensions. 1/4 inch is planed from each face to give the 1 1/2 in and 3 1/2 dressed size.

      When I was a young fella, dressed timber was sold in the rough sawn dimension, hence 4 x 2 but with metrication timber is now general sold as DAR ie dressed all round.

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        robert rosicka

        You are correct Graham , old houses will have 2×4 inch rough sawn studs used and most even are mortise and tenon joints top and bottom .
        Which made them extremely strong .

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      tolip ydob

      The 2×4 started out as 2″ x 4″ (25.4 x 101.6)
      It is still available and it is referred to as ‘dimensional lumber’.
      It is often easily recognised(during add ons) by sharp 90 degree corners on the product.

      This changed during/after WW2. I think it was a combination of shortages _AND_ profit that caused it.
      Radius-ing the corners is/was justified as improving the yield by more even kiln drying.

      I’m tempted to pine for the good old day when I was a framing carpenter(on custom homes) but then I remember setting roof rafters when the temperature was -17F (-27C) in Chicago’s northern suburbs. It remains one of the most rewarding things I have ever done to earn a living though.

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      bobn

      Timber was 4×2 and 3×2″ in the old days. but just like your chocolate bar has mysteriously thinned over the years so too has timber. Its inflation – the price goes up and the quantity goes down while the name stays the same – or profiteering if you prefer.

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      Kalm Keith

      :-)

      2 by 4 is the rough sawn size; nominally 50 * 100mm.

      Dressing each surface usually removes 3 mm for each face, so finished: 44 * 94.

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        Another Ian

        IIRC originally it was 4″x 2″ after the saw cut.

        Then the 4″x 2″ became before the saw cut and dressing took a bit more.

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          Kalm Keith

          Isn’t that what I said?

          The final cleanup was done with a thicknesser/stationary power plane.

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      As someone living in Devon I think Denovia has a nice ring to it. It sounds a bit like a mini country.

      Greetingsv to all in oz from the self proclaimed king of Denovia ( well I was born in Windsor within sight of the castle)

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      yarpos

      mmmmmm old blokes and bits of wood

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      Rick C PE

      For anyone who might be interested, in the US lumber industry the tree is actually cut into full 2 inch by 4 inch dimensions at the mill. It is typically very wet with a moisture content of >30% dry basis. When this wet it cannot be easily milled to a smooth and straight finish so it needs to be dried to under 19% MC. This results in some shrinkage and warping. Milling using a planner squares up the board, leaves smooth surfaces and reduces the finished size by about 1/2 inch in each dimension. You can still buy true 2 x 4s and 4 x 4s and other rough cut sizes, but they will be much less uniform than milled lumber.

      The English VS SI units are even messier with sheet form building products such as plywood and gypsum board where 4 by 8 foot sheets installed on framing spaced 16 inches or 24 inches on center translate to quite awkward numbers of millimeters. In fact it was largely the refusal of the building trades in the US to accept the SI system that killed the metrification effort.

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    David Maddison

    President Trump is signing an executive order to ban the Chinese App TikTok, because like most Chi-comm controlled Apps it is used for collecting private data and spying.

    It should also be banned in Australia for the same reasons.

    Note the following link is a BBC article and therefore more pro-Chinese than pro-USA and the West.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53619287

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    Another Ian

    “BBC Radio 4 vs Rush Limbaugh: “How They Made Us Doubt Everything” Episode 6 “Reposition Global Warming as theory, not fact” ”

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/08/01/bbc-radio-4-vs-rush-limbaugh-how-they-made-us-doubt-everything-episode-6-reposition-global-warming-as-theory-not-fact/

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    Another Ian

    “Ivermectin & Doxycycline 98% Cure”

    https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2020/08/01/ivermectin-doxycycline-98-cure/

    More links coming

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    Face masks don’t work according to top Dutch scientists advising the govt., something we surely all know by now. Unless you are a surgeon you will not know how to wear them properly and other than on public transport will never be close enough to anyone for a prolonged enough period to affect anyone

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8583925/The-land-no-face-masks-Hollands-scientists-say-theres-no-solid-evidence-coverings-work.html

    People hate them. They are destroying the economy as people don’t want to browse in shops. Whilst wearing them. . People are wearing them in wide open spaces and on beaches adding to the hysteria and fear. .

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      Yonniestone

      As you know we in Victoriastan have to wear them outside the home from midnight tonight, my work had a talk about it last Friday and I tried a few options while out delivering on the bike, three were hopeless with constant fogging up of my glasses with the forth the basic ear loop style worked ok with the nose strip formed tight, I have two old neoprene motorcycle masks at home I can use over the top so I’ll take them out Monday to try.

      I’m just glad its so cold here that wearing a mask keeps the wind chill off your face but come summer is going to be a PITA with sweat, sunscreen and some very interesting tan lines, I’ve got a decent beard so some issues don’t apply while others will emerge.

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        When you say outside the home you surely don’t mean whilst in the open air but only when going inton an enclosed space or on public transport etc? I am from the UK so wasn’t aware of this ruling

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          These seem to be the regulations for Victoria

          https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/updated-restrictions-announced-30-july-covid-19

          China eat your heart out. These are draconian regulations, if someone visits your home you have to wear a mask and put them back on immediately after physical exercise. What evidence is there that virus can be spread outside unless in very close proximity for a extended period.?
          Locking people up in sealed homes for the virus to soread is however a sure way to spread the infection

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            yarpos

            Its gets better. Pretty much in consecutive press conferences Chairman Dan says a) “the data shows the primary infection source is home gatherings, not shops and restaurants” b) “from Monday all Victorians must wear fask masks when leaving home and not in the car. One Wednesday we are going on a car club run (we are regional not in Covidville). We will have to wear masks when we meet in the park (max 10 people), we dont have to wear them when we drive, we have to put them on if we stop for coffee but can take them off to drink coffee. We then dont wear them driving to the detination pub, put them on again to go from the car to the pub, but can take them off to eat and drink. I wont bore you with the trip home.

            Just now a guy walked buy our house walking his dog, we face out onto farm paddocks. Not another human on the street for kilometres. He was wearing a mask.

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              robert rosicka

              Stage four restrictions to be announced on Monday from what I’m seeing , which may see only essential services open in Victoriastan.

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                Yonniestone

                I have an idea that the Andrews regime wanted to increase infection rates to regain totalitarian control of the state and whats left of its economy as the completely irrelevant BLM protests and botched hotel quarantine show the government level of commitment and accountability.

                These cretins don’t want to just cripple the economy they want to smash its head in with a brick so Dan’s Chi-Comm mates can make an easy transition for the economic takeover.

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                OriginalSteve

                Well victoria appears to be a vassal state of the CCP…..so mothing would surpruse me.

                Just put an 8′ chain mesh fence around victoria, cut the power interconnectors from NSW and see how long before Chairman Dan is “purged” from The Party by citizens with torches and pitchforks….

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                sophocles

                … and don’t forget the tar and feathers!

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              Annie

              That’s hilarious Yarpos! It’s one thing in shops, another walking the dog in the country away from shops and pubs.
              Everyone in Foodworks in Marysville was wearing a mask this morning.
              Keep hitting wrong letters on this ‘phone…NBN seems to be down atm so struggling with the tiny keyboard, having to keep correcting…sigh!

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        Peter C

        Unless you are a surgeon you will not know how to wear them properly

        Well done Yonnie. You have figured out how to wear the mask properly. The nose strip must be carefully moulded to the nose to stop expired breath going up and fogging glasses or a face helmet.
        The mask should be worn over the nose to be useful. I am amazed how often I have seen surgeons wearing the mask under the nose!

        Whether or not they work may be controversial. Dr Fauci now says they do help.

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        Graeme No.3

        Yonnie:

        Is anybody selling face masks with Dump Andrews written on them? I see a business opportunity there.

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        beowulf

        Yonnie
        An old trick to stop fogging that may help you. Fold a tissue a couple of times so that it fits across the bridge of the nose and under the eyes. Tear it to length and place it inside the top of the mask. It acts as a seal under the eyes and also absorbs moisture from your breath.

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        Doc

        Yonniestone. After a career of mask wearing with glasses, I used to stop
        The fogging up by bringing the upper strings back under
        The earlobes and tying the knot on the top of the head.
        Haven’t had to wear the ones that don’t tie, but
        Maybe by making a single twist in the elastic on
        each side so the upper arm went below the ear and
        vice versus the lower arm it may also stop the fog.

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      UK-Weather Lass

      In my neck of the woods there has been some aggro over people not wearing masks because they are exempt from doing so. Some even carry the evidence of exemption on their person at all times but it doesn’t make a scrap of difference – they still get abused. We are being led by the dumb to become ever dumber. Mask wearing is virtue signalling that probably does from very little to absolutely nothing in terms of preventing the spread of this virus.

      However my main complaint about all these restrictions is that we are now beginning to hear voices of reason and wisdom now getting media coverage and their main message is risk exposure to a virus because that is your duty to your fellow citizens and will ensure survival for the greatest number possible. Pity these people were not the ones political leaders think about talking to because the consensus believed otherwise. We need to damn consensus thinking to hell. Life is not a Facebook-Twitter popularity contest.

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        Uk weather lass

        Did you see the scientific reports in the British papers this morning confirming what we have been saying since March, which is that the most common place to get infected is inside your own sealed up home. You couldn’t make this up.

        It is surely only common sense that the best place is to be outside in safety and not inside breathing everyone else germs then going out and spreading them elsewhere.

        As for masks again stating the obvious that unless used very rigorously in very specific circumstances they will do more harm than good.

        I saw two little old ladies this morning taking off their disposable face masks they had been fiddling with on their faces in the shops pulling them down and touching things, then putting them both together in a resealable plastic bag to use again later

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          UK-Weather Lass

          Hi, Tonyb.

          This, https://abcnews.go.com/Health/risks-coronavirus/story?id=70624608, is from May, 2020.

          Personally I found Professor Sunetra Gupta’s assertions that the time honoured human behaviour to an infectious disease is to risk getting it and become a part of the shield that protects the rest of the population to be more persuasive. In other words if you cannot beat a virus you can at least join its protection against group.

          Professor Gupta’s enlightening comments on all things SARS-CoV-2 including immunity (backed up by other studies I have recently read) can be found here,

          https://reaction.life/we-may-already-have-herd-immunity-an-interview-with-professor-sunetra-gupta/

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          dadgervais

          When the majority of the public spend the majority of their time at home, that where most infections must occur. If the majority spent most of their time out of home, out of home would become the place where most infections occur. The latter scenario would likely be healthier overall, but the inumerate could be paniced by the stats in either case.

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      James Murphy

      what a pity… who’d have thought that investing in technology unfit for large scale use would end in tears?

      I hope various governments don’t cave in and bail them out, but, sadly, I guess they will.

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      Peter C

      Thanks Travis,

      Good news that renewable energy companies are facing financial losses on their projects. That may come in time to save us from even more of these foolish wasteful projects and could possibly save the Liddell coal fired power station from closure.

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    Another Ian

    “One Flu Out Of The Wuhan Nest”

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/index.php/2020/08/01/one-flu-out-of-the-wuhan-nest-12/

    Warning on links

    “WIV is Wuhan Institute of Virology. If you poke around in the replies and links, you’ll find a morning’s coffee worth of discussion, including this thread by Alita Chan. As a reminder, Yuri Deigin is the author of this Medium post of April, which if you haven’t read yet I recommend. But be warned, that will take a morning pot’s worth of coffee.”

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      Haven’t had time to read it properly but this seems to revolve around a conspiracy theory that china mounted a deliberate germ warfare attack on the west. . Worth a read but I will suspend judgement as this has profound implications,

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    Travis T. Jones

    Worst Apocalypse. Ever. Update:

    Oct 1, 2009: Olympics-2016 Games could be the last, says Tokyo governor

    http://www.reuters.com/article/olympics-tokyo-environment/olympics-2016-games-could-be-the-last-says-tokyo-governor-idUSLU38985020090930

    24 July 2020: Tokyo 2020 Olympics was meant to start today — here’s what athletes are doing instead

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-24/tokyo-2020-olympic-athletes-stuck-at-home-in-australia/12481404

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    David Maddison

    Indian study of hydroxychloroquine prophylaxis for healthcare workers.

    “Pre exposure Hydroxychloroquine use is associated with reduced COVID19 risk in healthcare workers – a Retrospective cohort”

    Note the results were achieved without zinc supplementation.

    Note to Leftists – you must not use this treatment if it is ever proven and approved because you have TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome) and that is a contraindication for using HCQ.

    It is a preprint and not yet peer reviewed. Further studies are also required.

    Australians – don’t bother reading it because our government, public serpents, the numerous useful idiots of the Left and the Deep State are opposed in principle to the use of HCQ – because “orange man bad”.

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.09.20116806v2.full.pdf+html

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      Peter C

      Evidence in favour of Hydroxychloroquine for Covid continues to accumulate! As I hoped we are seeing a paper from India, which is not predjudiced against hydroxychloroquine.

      From the study that David quoted above:

      We have conducted a cohort study amongst Health Care Workers (HCW) exposed to COVID-19 patients, at a tertiary care center in India where there was an abrupt cluster outbreak within on duty personnel. HCWs who had voluntarily taken hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) prior to exposure were considered one cohort while those who had not were considered to be another. All participants with a verifiable contact history were tested for COVID-19 by rtPCR. The two cohorts were comparable in terms of age, gender, comorbidities and exposure. The primary outcome was incidence rates of rtPCR positive COVID-19 infection amongst HCQ users and non – users. Results: 106 healthcare workers were examined in this cohort study of whom 54 were HCQ users and rest were not. The comparative analysis of incidence of infection between the two groups demonstrated that voluntary HCQ usage was associated with lesser likelihood of developing SARS-CoV-2 infection, compared to those who were not on it, X2=14.59, p<0.001. None of the HCQ users noted any serious adverse effects.

      Four out of 54 workers in the hydroxychloroquine group tested positive compared to 20 out of 52 in the non hydroxychloroquine group. x2 and p<0.001 are tests of statisical significance, which are very high for this study.

      I did not see any observations on the severity of the disease in the workers of either group, which is a pity but may be answered in further studies.
      Staff taking hydroxychloroquine did suffer some side effects: GI upset 19%, skin rash 6%, headache 4%.

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      OriginalSteve

      That snd the globalists are trying to force a “vaccine only” “solution” to a problem that so far hasnt exceeded the deaths of tge normal flu in 2019 of 334.

      However, it appears this is nothing but a large implementation of Trauma Based Mind Control, trauma being the operative word.

      Or put another way, victorians are having a large act of bastarization foisted upon them, a form of ritualuzed abuse, of the sort you see in occult rituals…..

      Rank and file in communist parties are athiests, but the top echelons appear to be occultists, as are the globalists. Or put another way, the rank and file of the victorian communists are just the local ignorant foot soldiers of the globalist occultists who run the communists. All are occultists at the highest levels it seems….

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      ivan

      A list of the various studies can be found at https://c19study.com/ with comments at to their validity.

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    Peter Fitzroy

    Some news that you might have missed:
    Middle East records hottest temperatures ever
    Western Australia ramps up grid scale Wind and Solar with 3 new plants coming on stream
    Judge Vasta removed from the bench for ‘mentoring’
    30 million Americans lose income support as the Republican Senate goes home for the weekend.

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      el gordo

      Its only weather.

      ‘The highest recorded air temperature in the past half century was in Kuwait in 2016, where it reached 129.2F (54C). That would officially be the highest ever recorded but for a reading made in 1913 in Death Valley in California, which is now thought to have been wrong.’ Daily Mail

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        el gordo

        By comparison, this is climate change.

        ‘Melbourne is set to shiver through its coldest four consecutive days in 24 years as a powerful wintery blast sweeps across Australia’s southeast from Antarctica.

        ‘The weather will bring freezing temperatures to Tasmania overnight as snow falls at sea level, with the mercury plummeting to 0C in Hobart.

        ‘A trough is expected to bring cloudy conditions to Melbourne which will limit daytime heating and bring top temperatures of 11-12C from Tuesday to Friday.’ Daily Mail

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      Travis T. Jones

      “Middle East records hottest temperatures ever”

      Further evidence solar panels do not prevent doomsday global warming:

      Sweihan Photovoltaic Independent Power Project, Abu Dhabi
      “The Sweihan power project is a 1,177MW solar photovoltaic (PV) independent power project (IPP) in Abu Dhabi, UAE. It is amongst the world’s biggest solar PV plants.”

      https://www.power-technology.com/projects/sweihan-photovoltaic-independent-power-project-abu-dhabi/

      “Western Australia ramps up grid scale Wind and Solar with 3 new plants coming on stream”

      Further evidence wind farms fail to prevent doomsday global warming cold mornings in winter:

      http://www.bom.gov.au/wa/forecasts/map7day.shtml

      Thanks for playing.

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      David Maddison

      I assume you are referring to “the hottest temperature eevvveerr” from Baghdad?

      Was that before or after homogenisation?

      Plus the historical temperature record there is patchy at best.

      Weather station 406500 (ORBB) starts in 1954 and is missing 1957, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1967, 1973 and 1980 through to 2010. So it is missing 37 out of 66 years or more than 50% of data.

      Plus, the Middle East is a hot place. Nothing to see temperature wise.

      https://www.tutiempo.net/amp-en/climate/ws-406500.html

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      skeptikal

      Peter Fitzroy says:

      30 million Americans lose income support as the Republican Senate goes home for the weekend.

      30 million Americans are losing income support because Nancy Pelosi doesn’t want to “lose all leverage”. Republicans tried to push through a short term extension but it was blocked by the Democrats.

      Democratic leaders are strongly opposed to a short-term extension of those unemployment benefits. Pelosi adamantly and repeatedly suggested she would not support something short term and insisted on passing a larger package.

      “I would be very much averse to separating this out and lose all leverage,” Pelosi said Friday.

      https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/democrats-knock-republicans-disarray-expiring-unemployment-benefits/story?id=71965210

      If Democrats cared more about people and less about political leverage, then maybe those 30 million people wouldn’t be losing their income support.

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      yarpos

      There is really no such thing as “grid scale” wind and solar, only grid disruption. Its a pity WA signed up for this when they recently started backtracking on home solar and seemed to be making sense.

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        There is really no such thing as “grid scale” wind and solar, only grid disruption.

        Peter Fitzroy gloats over this

        Western Australia ramps up grid scale Wind and Solar with 3 new plants coming on stream

        When people are pleased with something (and actually gloat about it) that operates at 28.5% of its capability (Wind Power plants in Australia) and 17.5% of its capability (Solar plant Power in Australia) then it would seem that people are now happy with that, and in fact use it as the go to example for operation.

        If ANYTHING else (ANYTHING) operated this poorly, it would be laughed out of existence.

        Tony.

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          David Maddison

          Just because something is connected to the electricity grid doesn’t mean it is a part of it.

          As stated above, windmills and solar plant are a disruption to the grid, not an authentic part of it.

          A tree falling on a power line is also temporarily connected to the electricity grid, just like intermittent wind and solar plant, but the tree is a grid disruptor. It is temporarily connected to the grid but just unbalances is so is not a real part of the grid.

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          Lance

          “Grid Scale” is a fungible term as used by Greens.

          I prefer “Grid Scale Functional Capability”, to include voltage and frequency support.

          Producing electrons is a far cry from producing “electrons when and where needed, at grid voltage and frequency”

          In ANY analysis, it is the kinetic energy of the turbine-alternator set that stabilizes transient loads in real time and controls grid frequency. It is the capability of the thermal plant to inject or absorb reactive power that stabilizes voltage. It is the reliable output and ramping rate of the thermal plant that allows for day-ahead stable planning of resources.

          Until or unless the Non-Dispatchable unreliables, can meet the actual demands of the grid in real time, they are incapable of doing anything except to offset fuel costs at a thermal plant, and even then, to be useful, they must do so at a beneficial time of day and load with respect to thermal plant efficient operations.

          Let’s not have the tail wag the dog, shall we?

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          Graeme No.3

          Tony:

          There is a new solar PV ‘farm’ proposed in the Adelaide Hills. 12,000 panels on 13Ha at Birdwood (not the sunniest place in S.A.) delivering 5MW. These are claimed will generate 12,500MWh for the next 30-35 years.
          I calculate them as 416kW panels, obviously the latest type. As for generating 12,500MWh with 5MW capacity it sems to me to involve at least 2500 hours of sunshine, which is approx. the annual amount in Birdwood (the nearest BoM station for that is in the Barossa valley).
          It seems to me that a little exaggeration has crept in. The sun wouldn’t be at/near its zenith for that length of time, and the lifetime without deteriorating highly unlikely. According to a quick calculation those panels would have to be 28.6% efficient.
          I will check whether the proposal was written by P.F.

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            RickWill

            2500 hours of full sunshine would be possible for a tracking array. For Adelaide tracking array averages 11 hours per day through January down to 4 hours per day through July. So 6.8 hours average over a year would be reasonable.

            There would not be much point in having a grid scale system in SA that was not tracking. Without tracking it is in direct competition with rooftop and there is already too much lunchtime power in SA. At least until the link to NSW is completed.

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              Graeme No.3

              It is a proposal only, and the locals are objecting about adverse effect on tourism (it’s right near main rd. entrance to town.
              Definitely NOT tracking panels.
              The Company (Tetris Energy) has a similar unit outside Mannum which they hope to expand to 30MW. Supposedly this scheme could involve a 4MWh battery but is constrained in size by the local connections (grid).

              Birdwood is in the Adelaide Hills and definitely not as sunny as Adelaide, nor Mannum. When I checked (about 2 years ago) Charleston* was said to return 17% efficiency for solar PV panels – household use.

              * Nearest town I could find but not really near Birdwood.

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          Rowjay

          An update on the ACT 100% Renewables situation, now 3 quarters into their first 12 months. The contracted target is 2,371,384 MWh. Performance to end June 2020 as follows:
          :
          PERIOD : MWh supplied
          Oct-Dec 2019 : 512,106
          Jan-Mar 2020 : 474,229
          Apr-Jun 2020 : 445,510
          :
          The generators will need a very big quarter of 939,539 MWh to make up the target. Sadly for them, July was not that windy.

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          Dennis

          Tony, I sent a copy of a comment you posted here a few days ago to my local Federal MP, his reply should interest you, it explains a lot about renewables;

          “Dear ******

          Thank you for forwarding an email regarding power generation. Interesting read

          .Fascinating in fact.

          There are a lot of comparisons made in Australia and elsewhere between renewables generation nameplate capacity but capacity factor is not ever mentioned. Average readers confuse KW or MW nameplate capacity with deliverable KWHours or MGWhours .

          The subsidies for renewables are not just cash received by sale of RECerticates, but also they favourable and anticompetitive regulatory benefits they get in the bid structures ,purchase of green energy first, let alone all the baseload shorting of the market that some gentailers undertake to increase returns on renewables.

          i will see if I can reach that site but sounds like it is blocked.

          Kind regards,

          *****

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          New Chum

          Tony did you see the article in The Courier Mail Saturday august 1 “Flick the switch on power upgrade”
          It comes after production restrictions were placed on two other north Queensland solar farms as well as a wind farm earlier this year after modeling showed the power system in some regions was at risk because of a lack of synchronous generators from coal, gas or hydro to keep it stable.
          I think you warned in that submission you made to the expert panel in about June 2016 that may happen.

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          DOC

          That 28% could be improved to 95% – leaving 5% time out for maintenance.
          Simply provide a power supply from the fossil fuel powered stations to drivers to turn the
          fans of the windmills when the wind don’t blow.

          After all, those ff powered plants have to run anyway. Remove them from the grid and have them
          on standby to swing those props in the absence of wind. Then all the power used would truly be generated from the mill turbines and the greens’ wish would come ‘true’.

          That’s no more deceptive than the current arrangement which saves the ‘renewables’ enough to put out the story that they provide ‘cheaper’ energy than fossil fueled generators when
          one is not permitted to mention the subsidies and political and legal hindrances towards developing more coal-fired plants. Pity it’s taking a collapse of the national economy before
          politicians are forced to face reality on power supplies, which they have made some of the most expensive in the world, at a time we are forced to start manufacturing our own essentials again.

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      TedM

      Just who was recording the temperatures during the MW period, the Roman warm period, the Minoan warm period and the Holocene climate optimum. I’d love to meet them. Was it documented on stone tablets.

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        Chad

        Ted,….the same data collectors as those recording tems over the past few million years……
        …. Nature was recording those temperatures….the most reliable data store we have.
        Various Geo tech analysis methods have been used to interperet the data and clues left by nature

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          TedM

          I understand that Chad. I’m very familiar with the paleo record, and it doesn’t support Peter Fitzroy’s position or the position of anyone else who supports him.

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          DOC

          How accurate are those records compared to the instantaneous recording of temperatures
          electronically these days? How well do the electronic and mercury/liquid methods compare
          even with each other to be so close as to be usable as scientific collections of similarly measured data? How can homogenised data be used in the same sense as historical interpretations of data based on physical interpretations over millions of years? I admit to being confounded by all this stuff after sore knuckles from stuffing up simple experimental procedures using pipettes and burettes, or making errors in statistical methodologies.

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      AndyG55

      On the Extreme WEATHER front

      https://notrickszone.com/2020/08/01/first-time-in-70-years-no-pacific-typhoon-forms-in-july-alarmists-alarmed-typhoon-trend-falling/

      “Middle East records hottest temperatures ever”

      LOL.. always with the lack of credibility, hey Peter…

      In the middle of a large city with a massive increase in air conditioning powered by diesel generators,…, not even WEATHER !!!

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      Yonniestone

      What the Middle East is Hot? OMG Peter its unprecedented since…….well we’ll never really know will we Cassandra?

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        Another Ian

        “Unprecedented since – - -”

        December 1940 maybe?

        A bloke who was in the AIF 6th Division recalled marching 40 miles a day on a ration of a quart of water, which had to cover shaving as well.

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      Lance

      “Residents in Norway have been reeling from the country’s coldest summer in nearly 30 to 60 years. Early in July, more than 10 m (32 feet) of snow accumulated in parts of the southern region, which was unprecedented for this time of the year”

      https://watchers.news/2020/07/29/norway-records-coldest-summer-in-nearly-60-years/

      Must be that globull warming, eh?

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        Furiously curious

        Last summer I read that Norwegian farmers were having major problems getting their hay cut or stacked because of continuous wet weather. Looks like 2 nasty summers in a row.

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      Graeme#4

      Looks like I’m too late to this party…
      PF, in the last 48 hours, wind contributed only 3% to WA’s SW power, and solar zero. So any “massive” expansion might contribute what? Another 1%? WOW!

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        DOC

        I’m no physicist, but one would think that Wind farms would require a long period of continuous
        wind assessment as to its strength and its 24hour reliability over years before an investment
        to build was made – or before a banker or government would finance or subsidise it. Surely that sort of knowledge would be in the historical BOM records. How do they all get it so wrong? Presumably one would know beforehand all the necessary details of projected requirements, that
        output was reliably continuous and adequate.

        Why then do people seem to build plants with massive potential outputs on their labels but then only have a capability of around 25% or whatever and no reliability? Is this not a reflection that the climate is continuously variable – weather more so – and hence windfarms are a impractical form of power generation even on accepted knowledge around these matters?

        Why are governments persevering over such an industry that is destined to fail from known
        inadequacies. They provide huge subsidies that almost guarantee big monetary returns to the investors, but at the expense of the taxpayers, end users and buyers of products that have to use and fund such power to manufacture at great cost.

        Frankly, this is almost an officially tolerated fraud in some senses, a delusional basis for government decisions, a legislative abuse of the nation and of community funds.

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          Kalm Keith

          DOC,
          From an engineering perspective it is entirely possible to accurately predict the cost of supplying regulated a/c power to the users switch ready for use.

          You got it in your last sentence: the public is being subjected to unbelievable legislative abuse.

          However much wind is available makes no difference, the mass of material, concrete, steel and glass fibre, etc used to create 1kWh at the users plug is massive for windmills.

          This is not an engineering issue, it is entirely in the area of politics and greed.

          Another marker would be to calculate the CO2 cost of building a wind turbine and over the life of that “generator” actually allocate the CO2 “build burden”.
          Almost certainly windmills have a higher CO2 debt per kWh than CO2 efficient coal plants.

          Politics is in a bad way: they all have their finger in the pie.

          We lose money and Australian jobs.

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      Richard Ilfeld

      Americans on unemployment lose supplemental federal support as temporary measure reaches its scheduled termination date.
      All 50 state unemployment processes remain fully in place.
      Both houses of congress are is recess, long scheduled as they take lots of breaks leading up to elections so they
      can return to the hustings and lie to their constituents.

      Journalism 101.

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    Travis T. Jones

    2020: Great Lakes waters in May set record highs, highest water in 102 years possible by July

    https://www.mlive.com/weather/2020/06/great-lakes-waters-in-may-set-record-highs-highest-water-in-102-years-possible-by-july.html

    1988, and James Hansen, the godfather of 97% doomsday global warming, predicted doomsday global warming would lower water levels in the Great Lakes:

    https://realclimatescience.com/2018/04/thirty-years-of-the-james-hansen-clown-show/

    Mark that down as a ‘F” for fail.

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    According to the Prime Minister, the Victorian lockdown had not delivered the “results we had hoped for”. So the lockdown restrictions are going to tightened further, it seems. What’s that old saying about doing the same thing over again and expecting different results?

    A message for the PM and andrews: lockdown strategies have no bearing on mortality outcomes anywhere. The data is already in on that.

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      yarpos

      Hardly doing the same thing are they, people in Melbourne and Regional VIC wouldnt be whining if they were just doing the same thing.

      Please share the data you refer to re lockdowns. I am not a great community lockdown fan and would be interested to see what you refer to.

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        FFS, if you have not being paying attention to the wave of material showing that mortality depends on factors other than lockdown severity, why the hell should I waste my time collating for you?

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    Rowjay

    Back in 2017, our Australian ABC onlined an opinion piece on the demise of the concept of baseload power from coal-fired power stations, calling it the dinosaur in the energy debate. Statements such as this followed:

    The idea of there being an average or ‘base’ electricity load, doesn’t make sense. Let alone having this sort of big, slow-changing power station to meet that load,” says CSIRO Energy Director …
    “Things are much more dynamic and the difference between the minimum and the peak amount of electricity we use is huge these days.”

    One reason why there is such a huge difference between minimum and peak loads (with pronounced morning and larger evening peaks) is because Australia’s economy has declined from broadly industrial/commercial last millennium to cafe latte this century – no industry means only street lights at night and lights on in office buildings during the day. There is little power-intensive activity to be catered for.

    So the term “base load” has now been replaced with “firm capacity”, defined as:

    “the capacity that can be relied upon to be available at the time of maximum demand”

    Coal-fired, gas-fired and hydro generators together with batteries are classified as firm capacity. Variable Renewable Energy (VRE) comprising photovoltaic solar and wind are not. VRE sources do however need to be considered when managing a grid such as ours. Some indication of VRE supply reliability needs to be assessed – capacity factor is not enough. The best report I have come across is the SO5 Market Modelling document supporting the Snowy 2 Hydro Project – the most relevant paragraph as follows:

    “VRE generation is not firm capacity because it cannot be relied upon to be available when needed. A value of 7% of VRE capacity has often been used to translate wind generation capacity to the equivalent of dispatchable capacity.Presenting VRE generation in terms of the equivalent firm capacity provides for the level of firm capacity (and reliability of generation supply) to be gauged.”

    The recent AEMO 2020 Integrated System Plan does not assign a firm capacity to VRE, relying on a “peak contribution factor”, calculated as the 85th percentile contribution of expected wind generation across seasonal peak periods, averaged over all reference years.

    NSW wind : 9.2% to 9.9%
    VIC wind : 5.1% to 9.4%
    SA wind : 6.2% to 12.3%
    QLD wind : 13.1% to 20.1%
    TAS wind : 13.1% to 14.9%
    SOLAR : nil – (Solar generation may contribute to peak demand, but applying the peak contribution factor methodology may result in a value of zero if at least 15% of demand periods are after sunset, when solar generation is zero).

    So that is how our power planners consider the usefulness of VER’s – install about 10-14 times the nameplate capacity that is needed and it may just be useful at peak consumption times.

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      yarpos

      I wonder WTF the CSIRO Energy Director calls all the power below approx 18GW? The minimum level that is required constantly even at 4AM. Everything above that is variable and subject to game playing, below that is not.

      Always was, always will be, baseload power; regardless of what the fantasists and language torturers want to call it.

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        That 18000MW has been at 18000MW for at least the last twelve years (since I started doing all of this anyway) and it was as close when I did check back further, and in fact is very slowly rising, now closer to 18500MW.

        I just love the looks on people’s faces when I ask them how much power is consumed at the low point for each and every day at that 4AM point in time, when everyone is tucked up neatly in bed.

        I once had someone actually tell me it could be as high as 5000MW, but most guess at around 2000MW.

        As soon as I say 18000MW, you should see their faces.

        No one WANTS to believe it.

        Tony.

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      Dennis

      It was written that wind and solar energy is like buying a car that is expected to start 2.1 days a week, most weeks of a year.

      The problem is that nobody can predict the start days.

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        Another Ian

        And (figures from TonyFromOz #13.6.1)

        Wind CF 28.5%, Solar CF 17.5%

        That is like buying a car advertised as 100 hp and finding you actually got

        Windcar 28.5 hp or Solarcar 17.5 hp.

        I’d guess the “lemon laws” would be invoked pretty quickly if it was a car!

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      Graeme No.3

      Rowjay:

      Years ago, so long ago that I’ve lost the reference, the Head of RE ??? a big German electricity generating company (and then with the largest capacity of wind turbines) was asked how reliable was wind energy? His aswer that with a big enough spread you could get about 2% of the overall capacity at any one time.

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    Ted O'Brien.

    I copied the url of the Tucker Carlson/Donald Trump Jnr Youtube on censorship for passing around. Just to make sure I had it right I sent it to myself.

    It worked! Preceded by an ad for how to remove earwax!

    You can’t keep up with the bastards!

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    PeterS

    There’s no longer any point discussing whether lockdowns work or not to eliminate the virus. It’s now clear we have chosen the lockdown at all costs path to eliminate the virus, which is of course impossible unless the rest of the world sees a dramatic fall in the number of cases, something that looks like years away, if ever. So be it. It now means the Federal government has to get the RBA to “print” money endlessly and to hell with the budgets. No longer can either major party talk about conservative fiscal policies and balanced budgets. They are now history. Multi-trillion dollar national debt here we come. It won’t end well but then again that’s the way the cookie crumbles.

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      Ted O'Brien.

      And the biggest problem is that come the next election the electorate will blame the incumbents and the Marxists will gain their 50% + 1.

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        PeterS

        That’s OK. It will speed up the decline and finally most people will wake up to the fact that voting for either major party is a waste of time as neither deserve to be in government with their self-destructive policies and agendas.

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          Lance

          In the US, a large number of citizens are resigned to playing “Cowboys and Marxists” sooner than previously expected.

          Sadly, the Marxists seem unable to grasp the concept that 90% of the population doesn’t care for their vision and that 90% holds over 500 million firearms and well over 1 trillion rounds of ammunition and they actually know how to use the tools of their hobby/trade/lifestyle. Citizens purchase, on average, 10-15 Billion rounds/year and some use over 1000 rounds/week practicing their skills.

          So, to be quick about it, the insurrection will likely be short lived. The clean up might take a bit longer.

          We have a saying in my State: “Don’t start nothin’, won’t be nothin’ “

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            PeterS

            I suspect that’s all true but there is no way of knowing for sure until after the next election. The voters better make sure they get out and support Trump. He’s far from perfect but the alternative would be a disaster for the US and the West. We’ll shall see if they do come out and vote for Trump, or we are just dreaming and instead those who support Trump by and large don’t care enough to vote or worse still they are stupid enough to fall for the leftist crap and vote for Biden. The next election is a great litmus test for the saneness of the US people. It will be very revealing. One would hope for an even stronger voter support for Trump but let’s wait and see.

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      RickWill

      No longer can either major party talk about conservative fiscal policies and balanced budgets. They are now history.

      This was inevitable once fertility rates dropped below 2.1 in any sovereign nation able to create its own money. Once the average age of the population in a developed country exceeds 38 years, the population becomes a net saver. The only option available to governments in these circumstances, to avoid deflation, is to create money as the banks are no longer able to do that.

      Young people take out loans from the banks while aging people pay back loans. When there is more loan creation than paying back, the banks are creating money. Once paying back exceeds loan creation, the banks are no longer adding to the money supply and this creates price deflation unless the government steps in to create money.

      Right now COVID19 has killed loan creation so new money is not coming through the banks:
      https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jul/09/lending-on-new-home-loans-plunges-in-biggest-monthly-drop-in-australian-history

      New home loan finance plunges in biggest monthly drop in Australian history

      The government needs to be adding to the money supply to avoid dramatic price deflation.

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    David Maddison

    Victoriastan’s communist chairman Do Pi Dan Andrews is about to impose further lockdown restrictions- Stage 4. Because the economy isn’t yet trashed badly enough. As soon as it is he’ll invite the Chi-comms in to buy what’s left at giveaway prices.

    https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/numbers-are-too-high-melbourne-faces-stage-four-lockdown-within-days-20200801-p55hm3.html

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      OriginalSteve

      My aged aunt has said that a big chink of the population are seething madcat andrews.

      Hes stuffed it completely, so stage 4 ( a pointless act IMHO as it will just reoccur ) is the final hail mary pass so he can say he tried everything.

      Put stringent biosecurity around the elderly, and just let the damn thing ho through the community. Its that or HCQ , or trashing the economy.

      My money is on the victorians demanding Chairman Dan go the way of Gough. Im sure the state governor can remove a premier….

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        PeterS

        He’s in the ALP so he will be praised by the ABC and others, at lest for now. The left believe he can do no wrong and only good. If the lockdown is in place long enough there will be a lot of angry people as the economy is crashing and burning. Then things will get very interesting.

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          OriginalSteve

          The only way el prezidente has done “good” is if the Aust Bolshevik Collective approve of trashing the economy under the smoke screen of covid….

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            PeterS

            Don’t you think most of the far left will celebrate the destruction of our economy? The reasons our economy will crash and burn does not compute in their feeble brains. In fact they think the opposite will happen. Everyone will be better off under a socialist agenda. They and those who are asleep might very well have to learn their lesson the hard way.

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      PeterS

      Go woke go broke. Trouble is with the Morrison government going woke with their emission reduction policy we as a nation will go broke too unless something is done to turn things around.

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      yarpos

      Its not a Tesla is it, you arent going to be fabulous in one of those.

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      David Maddison

      What happened to the $100 million Turnbull and Frydenberg gave toward subsidising electric cars?

      https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/rendezview/turnbulls-loselose-electric-car-farce/news-story/02d463990cfc6c4cbf8657c44349fd23

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      RickWill

      You can buy a Corolla hybrid for $20k less. At 4.2.itres/100km you could drive 340,000km for free on the change. That would be done without much thought of range anxiety or the exposure to ever rising electricity costs.

      We have been told that 2024 would be the year full electric cars would be lower cost than internal combustion. That is just 4 years away and appears unlikely right now.

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        Peter C

        Hybrid cars seem very popular. Fuel use is less because of braking energy regeneration. Servicing and maintenance costs could be high. Lets wait and see.

        I am seeing quite a free Teslas on the streets. The all electric car concept is ridiculuous, but I don’t mind so long as they don’t get a government subsidy.
        When they all get sick of their electric Teslas I am hoping to but one for nothing to convert to an electric glider winch.

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          Chad

          #
          Peter C
          August 2, 2020 at 6:37 pm · Reply
          Hybrid cars seem very popular. Fuel use is less because of braking energy regeneration. Servicing and maintenance costs could be high. Lets wait and see.

          ?? Wait and see ??
          Hybrids have been around for over 15 years, and are the basis for most Taxi fleets in our cities…how much more time do you need to get the picture ?

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            Peter C

            Taxi fleets do a lot of miles and mostly aim for low costs.

            But do you have any actual running costs?

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          RickWill

          Servicing and maintenance costs could be high. Lets wait and see.

          My son bought a Toyota Hybrid and the 5 year/75k fixed priced servicing was lower than ICE cars of similar features and performance.

          I also have a friend who services Toyota cars. He said the maintenance costs on hybrids is very low. Brakes never wear out. He has never replaced a Prius battery although there have been some cell replacements. The oldest Prius he services is 18 years old; he noted that car has never had a battery issue.

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            Peter C

            Thanks,

            That is interesting. Given the extra mechanical complexity it is surprising. Also the extra weight.
            If battery life is 18 years plus that is amazing.

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              RickWill

              Camry hybrids are the first choice in most Australian taxi fleets. The latest versions are running on LPG so have very low running costs:
              https://www.standard.net.au/story/1934560/hybrid-taxis-now-the-transport-of-choice/

              We cover 120,000-130,000 (kilometres) a year in our taxis and need reliability. Some of our Camrys have done 250,000 kilometres and have been basically maintenance-free apart from tyres, lights and other usual replacement items.

              The thing about electric power is that it is smooth and easy to control in both accelerating and braking. That avoids a lot of wear and tear.

              A long time ago I was in discussion with a few guys about tyre wear and tyre life. One old guy said if I gave him the keys to my car he could have the tyres worn out within an hour.

              The original Prius batteries are Ni-Cd. I still have two AA Yellow Everyday Ni-Cd batteries I bought in 1987 that are still going. They are presently used in the wireless computer mouse. They last for months between recharge and now pump out 16A on short circuit. When new they were good for over 20A.

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                Chad

                Rick,
                The Prius and Camry Hybrid batteries are not Ni Cad, they are NiMh (Nickel MetalHydride) and still are even now.
                Only the PIP (Plug in Prius) , ..which we do not get in Au,.. has Lithium Ion batteries with a larger capacity..
                Prius and Camry batteries have been known to have issues with reduced performance due to corrosion of the cell interconnectors….but that is not very common and only after many years use.
                New replacement battery packs are not expensive since they are not a large capacity pack, unlike a full EV needs

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    Ted O'Brien.

    Which they have already done with the dairy industry.

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    WXcycles

    Just watching Plimer on Outsiders – that guy knows how to smirk. love it.

    And a new book from him in a few months called, “Green Murder”. Sounds like a good read.

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    David Maddison

    On Their ABC (Ausralia) radio last night I heard some woke people discussing the name change of C00N cheese. They claim it was a racial slur but it was in fact named after the process for fast maturation of cheese invented by Edward William Coon (1871–1934) of Philadelphia.

    It had nothing to do with a racial slur.

    I notice the Wikipedia article on the cheese has now been extensively altered to downplay the true origin of the name.

    Edward Coon’s patent for the cheese making process is at: https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/38/f6/2f/81aaf154b9e8ca/US1579196.pdf

    Every day, in every possible way, we see the Evil Left at work.

    I will not be buying the cheese in future, Get Woke, Go Broke!

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      David Maddison

      I wrote this to them:

      I am writing to let you know that I will no longer be purchasing Coon cheese because of the utter stupidity of changing its name. Your product was named after the patented fast maturation process invented by Edward William Coon (1871–1934) of Philadelphia and had nothing whatsoever to do with a racial slur. Any organisation that doesn’t honour history, including their own, doesn’t deserve my business. I will look for an alternative product.

      The Coon patent can be seen at https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/38/f6/2f/81aaf154b9e8ca/US1579196.pdf

      Sincerely,

      Dr David Maddison

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        yarpos

        Would probably be more meaningful if you listed all their other products. Sdaly their are some nice products there like King Island cheese

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        RickWill

        I am writing to let you know that I will no longer be purchasing Coon cheese

        No one CAN buy Coon cheese. It has been rebranded because of the race implication in the name.

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      despite the origins of the name, and I heard that same piece with acknowledgement of this, the name “coon” is a racial slur. You can look up for yourself the large number of product names that have changed over the centuries due to the change in meaning or acceptability of words.

      I wouldn’t have thought it was something to get upset about but rage on.

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        TedM

        ” the name “coon” is a racial slur.”

        Not when it’s the name of a cheese, or are you suggesting that the Coons should change their name by deed poll.

        Take the name Green for instance, now there is an insult to any intelligent person.

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          the word coon wherever it appears or however it was generated is a slur. You can’t change that.

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            So words are fixed in time with only one meaning, or can some people change the meaning and make a normal word a slur?
            If so, who are the special selected ones who can change the meanings of words…

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              My point exactly. Coon has changed -is not just a surname on a cheese packet whereas it once was. Now that the people being slurred have a voice and supporters, the word’s other meaning meaning becomes a problem for the company selling a product with that name.

              Also, you misunderstood my reference to “you can’t change that”. “That” is people’s response to the word as a slur. Coon might lose its slur meaning one day but it will be a long way after the cheese of that name is long forgotten.

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        AndyG55

        Basically any word can be a racial slur if the “SJWs” so name it to be. !

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        robert rosicka

        The surname Coon is the 23,579th most common surname and approximately 23,167 people or if you prefer 1 in 314,548 people have this as a last name .

        https://www.google.com.au/search?q=how+many+people+have+the+last+name+coon&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-au&client=safari

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          Hitler was a common enough name to think that there were shops or products bearing that name in 1930. How many are using that name today.

          “The house of Windsor”, is a response to political correctness.

          Bottom line is that Coon is a slur and people don’t like seeing it and there is not one thing you can do about that apart from not using it.

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            So how were the sales figures for Coon, or the dumb punters able to recognise the difference between a brand of cheese and a racist slur?

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              Why should I know or care about the sales figures. Look them up yourself. The company might have decided to be nice instead of pig headed and that’s their choice.

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                AndyG55

                No, they have bowed to SJW PC garbage.

                Coon is a brand of cheese.

                Anyone that thinks else-wise, has deep-seated racist tendencies.

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            AndyG55

            “is that Coon is a slur”

            RUBBISH.. It is just a brand of cheese.

            Only the rabid yelling SJWs deem it to be a slur. !

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            AndyG55

            Your comments are like a piece of Maroilles, Gee-aye.

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        James Murphy

        Arnott’s “Water Crackers” contain a racial slur too. Let’s see how far that renaming campaign goes, shall we?

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    TedM

    Ivermectin + zinc giving a huge reduction in mortality from covid-19. Do your own search on this.

    Ivermectin as an ionophore:
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7251046/

    As a zinc transporter:
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/49836454_Ivermectin_'Wonder_drug'_from_Japan_The_human_use_perspective

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      TedM

      With HCQ, Ivermectin, zinc and antibiotics, we have the necessary tools to get on top of this pandemic. We just need medical authorities and the media to get out of the way.

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        Ted O'Brien.

        That reminds me that before my time my father had an uncle at Roma in Queensland. He said that there was plenty of oil at Roma, but nobody honest enough to find it.

        Years later Australia’s first oilfield opened up at Moonie, just up the road.

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      David Maddison

      Effective treatments are there and are inexpensive and safe.

      Then the question is why are the Left who control government and the institutions preventing these treatments from being used which is killing, no, murdering people?

      As Dr Zelenko said, “it’s not COVID killing people, it’s politics”. And he calls the WHO the World Homicide Organisation.

      I implore Leftists not to use HCQ or other treatments that are inexpensive, safe and we know about right now but are not allowed to be used, even if they do get approved.

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    Peter C

    The Green House Effect and The IR Window.

    The atmospheric sounding (balloon flight) from Casey Base, Antartica on 31 July 2020 showed a massive near surface inversion of about 12C below 2000ft. That is unusual, but was associated with several factors;
    1. It is winter in Antarctica and the sun below the horizon so there is no surface heating,
    2. The surface wind was light from the south, blowing off the ice from the center of the continent,
    3. The atmospheric moisture was exteremly low (PW 0.3mm)

    Under these circumstances the IR window for surface radiation is nearly wide open! Only CO2 could block outgoing IR and then only in a very narrow band.

    Since the atmosphere at 2000ft was 12c warmer than the surface, atmospheric emmissions (if there are any) would be trying to heat the surface, without success.

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      RickWill

      This is one of the recognised occurrence of back IR, where the atmosphere actually heats the surface.

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      Jonesy

      is that 12C delta or actual?

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        Peter C

        This is one of the recognised occurrence of back IR, where the atmosphere actually heats the surface.

        Well the atmosphere did not heat the surface much, but maybe the surface temp would have been even colder without CO2. None the less surface heat escapes by radiation, despite the “CO2 Blanket”. An interesting consideration is; why does the CO2 radiation, which is supposed to act over short distances not straighten the inversion to isothermal above the surface?

        The 12C was actual, not delta or apparent.

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          RickWill

          why does the CO2 radiation, which is supposed to act over short distances not straighten the inversion to isothermal above the surface?

          Normally the surface is the warmest layer because that is where most of the incoming energy ends up when sunlight reaches the surface. If there is no direct sunlight on the surface but there is direct sunlight on the atmosphere and the atmosphere can absorb some of the solar energy then it will be warmer than the surface.

          Inversion also occur in lower latitudes near daybreak as the low sun heats the air over land before the sun has direct view of the land.

          If the atmosphere is gaining energy from sunlight and the surface losing energy through radiation to space then the atmosphere will be hotter than the surface. This condition is persistent for long periods at high latitudes but only occurs just before sunrise or a little linger where fog develops at lower latitudes.

          This link provides some good data on the Antarctic inversion and how it has changed this century:
          https://www.researchgate.net/publication/334161324_Radiosonde-Observed_Vertical_Profiles_and_Increasing_Trends_of_Temperature_and_Humidity_during_2005-2018_at_the_South_Pole/fulltext/5d1ad03892851cf4405c9d56/Radiosonde-Observed-Vertical-Profiles-and-Increasing-Trends-of-Temperature-and-Humidity-during-2005-2018-at-the-South-Pole.pdf

          It is one of the locations where the impact of atmospheric CO2 can be detected because it is not swamped by the water cycle.

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            Analitik

            It is one of the [few] locations where the impact of atmospheric CO2 can be detected because it is not swamped by the water cycle.

            Which only goes to show how absurd the idea of GLOBAL warming due to CO2 rise is.

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              Peter C

              Thanks Rick,

              I will read that article carefully a bit later. I am surprised by some of the claims.
              I have been looking for a source of aerosonde flights for the South Pole for some time. Perhaps I can find it from the references. The south pole differs from coastal Antarctica in a number of respects.

              Good catch Analytic.

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    Furiously curious

    Totally on another note, from the ‘Paul Simon, these are the days of miracles and wonder, don’t cry baby don’t cry baby don’t cry,’ school of thought. Look around your room, gaze out your window, pick any cubic centimeter of air you can see through, high, low, any spot. Turn on a small hand held device, and hold it in that empty space, and out can pop complete books, movies, vision from a traffic camera in Vladivostok, the Dalai Lama is teleported to your presence, works of art, visions of life recorded decades ago. Every cubic centimeter of air is now containing a record of a giant chunk of life on earth !!
    Good, bad, who knows how it ends? Well, on our scale nothing ends. We can get all our ducks lined up, utopia for all, and the next generation comes along to poop in our pockets. I guess we can add ‘settled life’ to our list of oxymorons. But hopefully we can stick around for a little while, and get to enjoy a bit of the magic?

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    dinn, rob

    business as usual
    Analysts at think tank Hoover Institution at Stanford University found 254 papers in which U.S. researchers collaborated with counterparts from seven top universities in China affiliated with the regime’s military, the People’s Liberation Army (PLA). They identified 115 U.S. universities and government-backed research labs that worked with these PLA-linked organizations, collaborating on research topics from new energy technologies to aeronautical engineering. https://ussanews.com/News1/2020/08/01/report-finds-250-us-collaborators-with-chinese-military-tied-researchers-says-threatens-national-security/

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    dinn, rob

    hark! hark! come out of the dark!
    Brazil 525/6787=7.7% increase each day for last 3 days new cases/active cases https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/brazil/
    India 54.8/513=10.8% increase/day https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india
    South Africa 10.1/149=6.8% increase/day https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/south-africa
    Iran 2.6/21.3= 12.2% increase/day https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/iran
    ……….
    8-1-20 As for the US, well, when it comes to the legal framework around vaccines, the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) already has a law called the Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness (PREP) Act, which provides immunity to vaccine companies if something goes wrong.
    With AstraZeneca and many US big pharma companies rushing COVID-19 vaccines to market with governments granting them immunity if the vaccine has side effects, all suggest corporate elites and government regulators have very little faith in these drugs. https://www.zerohedge.com/political/red-flags-soar-big-pharma-will-be-exempt-covid-19-vaccine-liability-claims
    ……………………………………………..…
    There is a more fundamental question of whether a vaccination program for the entire population is at all desirable, given that most of the population has a natural immunity, only a small cohort develops symptoms, an even smaller cohort at risk of hospitalisation.  -B. Norris  https://blog.argonautcapital.co.uk/articles/2020/07/27/the-biggest-fraud-part-2-the-vaccine-swindle/
    ……………
    The United States (taxpayer) will pay up to $2.1 billion “for development including clinical trials, manufacturing, scale-up and delivery” of the vaccine, the two companies based in Europe said in a statement. Sanofi will get the bulk of the funds.  https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/britain-vaccine/2020/07/31/id/979989/

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    David Maddison

    What it looks like when your fake science paper is retracted.

    I wonder how many were and continue to be killed by this junk science?

    It seems Australian authorities are still following the “findings” of this junk.

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31180-6/fulltext

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    RickWill

    It is tough being a crim in the Covid era in Australia.

    Three young woman come down to Melbourne for a shoplifting spree, host a party where they catch the virus then return to Brisbane via Sydney. The story unfolds after one is tested positive for the virus. Now facing 5 years in jail and the wrath of the Queensland population. Maybe the wrath of their minders and fence as well if they implicate them.

    Then there was the guy driving from Melbourne to Ballarat to get some fresh air; call me skeptic or ill-informed, but “fresh air” has to be a novel name for whatever drug he is on.

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      robert rosicka

      Melbourne to Wodonga for a Big Mac also drew some skepticism for another idiot .

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      Ted O'Brien.

      If I was locked down in the inner city I’d like some fresh air..

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      RickWill

      The most significant change in Melbourne with announcements today is the 8pm to 5am curfew. That will make policing easier and release personnel to door knock.

      The “State of Distaster” also removes restrictions on what police can legally do. They are no longer constrained from entering premises if they suspect there are non-residents in the premises.

      Dan is still apologising. He is not a leaders bum hole. A leader is not afraid of the truth. The majority of the people want this done and dusted and know that they need to avoid contact for a couple of weeks to get it done. Dan is so wishy-washy and tolerant of illegal activities. Stop apologising and remove the option for those known to have the infection to spread it.

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        OriginalSteve

        Yeah but heres the thing…while youre championing tyrannical powers for Comrade Dan, as Ive said before :

        - hospitalization rate is stable at 6% of cases,
        - ICU at 0.6% of cases
        - death rate at 1.9% of cases
        ( 123 deaths so far ) , and deaths are predominately in the 65+ age group.

        These % figures have held fairly steady over July.

        We has 334 people die from flu in 2019.

        So until we crack 334 deaths ( and chances are they didnt die from covid, but likely an as yet declared underlying existing medical condition ), thing thing is really not an issue.

        What is an issue is that the medical system is being stressed believing this thing is truly bad.

        So while the theatre continues, the lockdown continues.

        Better to do a controlled “burn” through society to stop the medical system being swamped, deploy HCQ to all hospitals, and muzzle the media to stop the panic.

        Job done.

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          bobl

          What is REALLY interesting is the age statistics. The disease has only taken lives of people over 40, when you calculate the average lifespan of a Covid victim the average lifespan works out to 81 Years. However the average lifespan for all born at the time of the youngest victims (born in 1980) is 75 years and those 100 years old (Born 1920) was 59. So on average Covid victims live 6-22 years LONGER than their respective cohort average.

          A Child born in 2017 is expected to have a lifespan of 82 years almost the same as a Covid victim!

          We are paying upwards of half a trillion dollars for what ? Covid is NOT killing people, they are dying from one of the NATURAL causes that end many peoples lives. Flu, Heart attacks, Cancer and now Covid 19 – which is hardly a blip on Cancer and Heart attacks.

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            OriginalSteve

            Part of this thing is that due to our first world thoroughness of the medical process in hospitals, what covid does is overwhelm the system, as Rick has already indicated.

            If we managed to mock the media and Chairman Dan and other Chief M. Officers who appear to be part of the problem, they might dial the hysteria back to sensible ( i.e. zero ) levels.

            Part of the over process in this apparent Psyop is to traumatize people so they dont question why the medical footprint of this thing is similar in impact to a bad flu season.

            Where are the autopsy reports of covid “victims”?

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              farmerbraun

              Where are the case study reports of all the people who had it and recovered at home without interventions?

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          RickWill

          So until we crack 334 deaths

          More than that number is already locked in now for Australia, mostly Victorians. Given that the case load should now stabilise and reduce from a daily peak around 700 and we have 4 weeks to get it down to single digits Victoria can expect at least another 10k cases on top of the current 17k to give total of 27k.

          Taking your 1.9% of 27k gives 519 deaths.

          IHME are now forecasting 1745 deaths by 1 Nov for Australia:
          https://covid19.healthdata.org/australia
          But that was based on last week’s data where the production rate was around 1 with daily cases above 500. Hopefully is is closer to 500 than 1000 based on the new controls.

          My only problem with the current controls in Victoria is that they are a few weeks late. My problem with Dan is his lack of leadership. He is a wishy-washy individual who has mediocrity coursing through his veins. He constantly apologised for the controls and tolerates illegal activity everywhere. He said the police do not want to be out fining people for doing the wrong thing – hello, what is their f’n job! They should take delight in seeking out and fining individuals for not obeying the law. This is not a situation for wishy-washy action. It needs decisive leadership prepared to apply a heavy hand to uncaring, overprivileged, self-indulgent dolts prepared to put others at risk.

          The nature of Victorian culture is embodied in the actions of Nathan Buckley, Brenton Sanderson and Cotchin’s wife. These privileged individuals are guests in other States under strict quarantine requirements that they stick their finger to. They should have been sent back to Victoria by the State premiers rather than being levied trivial fines by the AFL – what a joke. Dan should be putting pressure on the other State premiers to return them. Think of the message that would send to Eddie and other overprivileged Victorians.

          We know effective quarantine is the best method – Taiwan proves that, New Zealand proves that, most Australian States prove that. The USA, Sweden and Brazil show how many deaths are needed before people get so scared to associate with others. The government needs to be the voice for the health care workers constantly exposed to the deadly risk. The entire population has a duty of care to avoid the virus.

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      yarpos

      Guaranteed a slap on the wrist, however earnestly delivered, for the QLDers because African. Anything else will get howls of racism.

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    David Maddison

    https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202007.0025/v1

    This version is not peer-reviewed

    COVID-19 Outpatients – Early Risk-Stratified Treatment with Zinc Plus Low Dose Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin: A Retrospective Case Series Study

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    Ted O'Brien.

    So there was a hack attack on Telstra and the NBN.

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      Ted O'Brien.

      Maybe still is.

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      David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

      G’day Ted,
      A later report said it was some sort of, but unspecified, technical fault within Telstra, but that they’d treated it as a “denial of service attack” because that’s what it looked like at first.
      I haven’t seen any update.
      Cheers
      Dave B

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    Stoichastic

    Masks are doing such a great job in Victoria at stemming the tide of infections that Dan Andrews is now declaring Stage 4 lockdown, with a curfew between 8pm and 5am.

    https://twitter.com/i/events/1289780187668688896

    I guess nobody told him about super spreaders and how that curfew and those masks are going to make sweet FA difference.

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      OriginalSteve

      Yup..i reckon masks will be shown to be completely useless and Dangerous Dan will have painted himself into a corner with no way out….awkward…..

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        OriginalSteve

        Problem is…once stage 4 creates a temporary reprieve…then it will flare again….and again…and again….

        I expect pitchforks and torches for Dan soon….

        The theatre of this thing will be blown wide open soon…they will say it burnt itself out to cover thier tracks.

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          Stoichastic

          At best we’ll get halfway through spring or to the start of summer and the natural seasonal
          impact of enhanced Vit D will knock the virus on its head and the praises of lockdown, masks
          and curfew will be praised.

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            Stoichastic

            er yeah… praises will be sung.

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            yarpos

            not much head knocking going on in the US summer it seems

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              bobl

              For Pete’s sake, look at the places in the southern US where it is peaking – Population density 40 times ours, cold shared air ventilation everywhere. Melbourne/Victoria is the highest population density City/State in the nation – get it?

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    David Maddison

    Isn’t it strange how there is a low incidence of Covid-19 in malaria infested countries?

    Nothing to do how lots of people there take that horribly dangerous drug so hated by those with Trump Derangement Syndrome and the Left in general, hydroxychloroquine, no, no, no.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7194665/

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      OriginalSteve

      Trump hinted there may not be an election….which made me stop and wonder….other people over 12 months ago said trump could be the last president….now why would that be?

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    I had a suggestion in the form of a Comment at one of my daily Posts asking if perhaps I could add a weekly or a Monthly image showing wind generation. I often wondered if I could do something like this but I didn’t think it could be done.

    I knew that the Aneroid site did have those Monthly images for Capacity Factor, but I wasn’t sure if the image could be ‘toggled’ for total power.

    Sometimes, all it takes is a suggestion to make you try a different direction to see if it can be done, and such was the case here.

    So I copied and pasted the Monthly image into two of the image programs I have, and one is the generic Paint 3D which comes with the operating System. I can load the image into that program first, and then use the second program to work with the images, as I have always done with the images I use.

    The second is the Adobe image program I went out and got hold of to work with images, and it’s without doubt the best image program I have ever worked with, and here that’s Adobe Photoshop Elements 15.

    I now have an image I’m happy with, and from now on, I will be adding that Monthly Power Total to the last daily Post for each Month.

    This is the link to the first of those images for the Month just finished, July 2020.

    What I will draw your attention to here is that the total Nameplate for wind power in this vast coverage area is 7728MW. Note on the image that the highest wind generation gets to in this Month is just over 4600MW, and that is just for a single point in time across the Month.

    What I have added is a horizontal line across the page and this indicates the year round average for wind power of 2200MW, and again keep in mind that Nameplate total of 7728MW, so this average of 2200MW indicates the current 12 Monthly Capacity Factor for wind power of 28.5%.

    I cannot stress enough that total Nameplate of 7728MW

    Tony.

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      Another Ian

      Hi Tony

      Any figure for how many billion $ it has cost so far?

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        Umm, No, not really, but hey, isn’t wind power cheaper than any form of power generation.

        Macarthur Wind Plant has a Nameplate of 420MW and it cost $1.2 Billion.

        If you use that as a baseline, then a Nameplate of 7728MW has an equivalent cost of $15.3 Billion, and here keep it mind it has supposedly got cheaper, so that $15.3 Billion should be higher.

        All that for an equivalent Generated power equal to a Nameplate of 2200MW.

        Tony.

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          Another Ian

          Theme repeated from #16.2.1 above

          Time for a “Lemon Law for Renewable Energy”

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            Another Ian

            Tony

            Thanks

            And when that $15 billion is generating 2% of the power needed the proportional multiplier to get 100% is 50 X, so ($15 billion X 50)?

            Just checking as an exercise because I can see it won’t actually do the job so the cost would be more?

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          RickWill

          All that for an equivalent Generated power equal to a Nameplate of 2200MW.

          Any amount of wind generators cannot be equated to even 1MW of dispatchable generation. The guaranteed output of any amount of wind generators is precisely ZERO. If I had 2200MW of coal fired plant I would expect 2200MW from it anytime I required it.

          I am no longer surprised that AEMO reports still use capacity factors and the diversity fairy for determining the contribution from weather dependent generators. But the only valid means of assessing the financial value of weather dependent grid scale generation is the fuel saving in all the plant needed to provide dispatachable generation.

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          TedM

          And during this time it has been parasitising power from coal fired plants.

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      robert rosicka

      Thank you Tony as always very informative and something that we will never see anywhere in the MSM as to how wasteful and pointless renewables really are for powering a grid .

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      Chad

      Good work Tony.
      Personally i do not like any chart that doesnt show the full scale of the function ..in this case , ideally the vertical axis should read 0-7728 MW…so it reflects the true relative performance compared to maximum possible.
      ..But i understand you are simply using the Anero scaling…which is probably generated using auto scaling software.
      So, in this respect i actually prefer the “CF%” option , since that does show the full 100% range and highlights the low performance of all the Wind installations

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      Geoff Sherrington

      Anton,
      If you wished, I would like to discuss with you, separately by email, the AEMO report of 30 July 2020 giving the planned NEM electricity road map 2020-2040. It has renewable penetration routinely up to 75% with modelling proposing 90% as achievable. Australia’s economic future will be crippled if this AEMO report is adopted. They do not even mention any comparison with Energiewende, no reference to nuclear, they cite Blaker’s assertion that the ups and downs of renewables smooth out irregularities so intermittency is not such a problem. Much more like this.
      Jo will give you my email address. Thanks. Geoff S

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    Serp

    I’ve just had it explained to me that Victoria’s state of Emergency was not enough to trump the Charter of Human Rights legislated around twenty years back and it was for that reason that people could not be kept in quarantine but a state of Disaster suspends one’s human rights so we can be curfewed and so on; the next stage would be martial law when they shoot us in the streets.

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      yarpos

      When you read some of the blogs populated by Lockdown Dan Fans we arent all that far from mobs cheering lynching of non mask wearers in Fed Square. Some of them are quite rabid.

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    David Maddison

    Notice how many government “experts” or department heads are clueless and obvious quota hires?

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      yarpos

      probably most , a lot of the calibre of the weepy person at the Ruby Princess enquiry saying they “did their best” as if that covers it.

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    el gordo

    Periodic drive mechanism behind Younger Dryas and not a cosmic impact.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/08/01/younger-dryas-impact-hypothesis-takes-another-hit/

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    robert rosicka

    In Victoriastan we have been living in a state of emergency and as of today we are in a state of disaster , can’t wait for the next step “Ludicrous speed” .

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    David Maddison

    Analysis of ancient Sumerian clay tablet recording comet impact in 2193 BCE which resulted in a 300 year global cooling.

    “The Sumerian K8538 tablet – The great meteor impact devastating Mesopotamia.”

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/277589191_The_Sumerian_K8538_tablet_-_The_great_meteor_impact_devastating_Mesopotamia

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    Well today is the first night in sunny Melbourne Victoria with a curfew. Unbelievable!
    The premier’s statement is on: https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/updates/coronavirus-covid-19/premiers-statement-changes-melbournes-restrictions
    The statement includes the little jewel:
    Where you slept last night is where you’ll need to stay for the next six weeks.
    Too bad if you are on the street or (even worse) a hotel you can’t afford!
    Is it me or is this becoming bizarre?
    LOVE THE COMMENT ABOVE BTW:
    “One Flu Out Of The Wuhan Nest”
    Very clever!

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      Dalecrant

      I read the statement. I would say it is one of the most startling and worrying thing I have ever read from a democratically elected leader. It is beyond hysterical
      .
      Govts and others have been fannng the flames of fear for months . They seem to have lost all power of rational thought.

      Boris has also tried to go mad but is being restrained at present. I don’t know if you saw my posting here confirming the UK govt has admitted that locking people up in small homes is a bad idea and the one from the Dutch govt confirming masks are ineffective.

      Here is another one today from a UK professor who believes our leaders have lost all sense of proportion

      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8585039/Professor-Robert-Dingwall-calls-sense-proportion-brands-Covid-19-nasty-infection.html

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        OriginalSteve

        Coming to Victoristan soon I suspect….

        The Elite will panic if this starts to happen and as Mr G*tes has already given the game away…and the Elite will release another even worse virus to crush freedom forever….possibly lethal. The vaccine for it could also be …ahem…just as bad …

        https://www.rt.com/news/496852-berlin-protest-coronavirus-masks-germany/

        “Thousands march in Berlin against mandatory masks & Covid-19 measures (PHOTOS, VIDEOS)
        Demonstrators in Berlin, Germany, August 1, 2020. © REUTERS/Fabrizio Bensch

        “Thousands of people assembled in the German capital to rally against anti-coronavirus restrictions, describing the measures as undemocratic and a threat to freedom.

        “Around 15,000 protesters took part in the event, dubbed ‘The end of the pandemic – freedom day’, according to German media, citing a police estimate.

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      joseph

      No need to worry . . . . . “The Great Reset” will fix it all . . . .

      https://tottnews.com/2020/08/02/wef-the-great-reset-2021/

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        Serp

        The WEF in its far flung armchairs (anybody ever been to Davos?) is so insulated from reality as to have no possibility of affecting our futures; it’s more than adequately fitting that the imbecile Charles of Wales delivers their keynote themes.

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    Another Ian

    “A favourite lie of the environmental movement takes another blow”

    “As our paper showed, however, the post-war science that led to the LNT model’s acceptance was at best plain wrong and potentially even fraudulent.”

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/08/02/a-favourite-lie-of-the-environmental-movement-takes-another-blow/

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    el gordo

    The melting of permafrost killed a boy in Yamal when anthrax came back to life.

    ‘Scientists postulate that the Siberian anthrax is the tip of the iceberg, and as rising global temperatures penetrate deeper into the permafrost, microbes that date back to the age of the Neanderthals may reemerge.

    ‘In Alaska, scientists have uncovered fragments of RNA from the virus that catalyzed the Spanish flu; parts of the variola virus, which causes smallpox, were identified in 300-year-old mummies in eastern Siberia; in Antarctica, a team of scientists successfully revived an 8-million-year-old bacterium long-frozen beneath a glacier; and a new type of giant virus that infects single-cell amoebae has been discovered in Siberian permafrost.’ The Diplomat

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    TedM

    Parallel randomised studies of HCQ + azithromycin an Ivermectin + doxycycline.

    Results: All subjects in the Ivermectin-Doxycycline group (group A) reached a negative PCR for
    SARS-CoV-2, at a mean of 8.93days, and all reached symptomatic recovery, at a mean of
    5.93days, with 55.10% symptom-free by the 5th day. In the Hydroxychloroquine-Azithromcyin
    group (group B), 96.36% reached a negative PCR at a mean of 6.99days and were symptomsfree at 9.33days. Group A patients had symptoms that could have been caused by the medication
    in 31.67% of patients, including lethargy in 14(23.3%), nausea in 11(18.3%), and occasional
    vertigo in 7(11.66%) of patients. In Group B, 46.43% had symptoms that could have been caused
    by the medication, including 13(23.21%) mild blurring of vision and headache; 22(39.2%)
    increased lethargy and dizziness, 10(17.85%) occasional palpitation, and 9(16.07%) nausea and
    vomiting.

    PDF available here: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/342159343_A_comparative_observational_study_on_Ivermectin-_Doxycycline_and_Hydroxychloroquine-Azithromycin_therapy_on_COVID19_patients

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      New Chum

      David that was a good article there is a comment in a post at catallaxy files that might be of interest.
      The comment by Bad Samaritan is in this post https://catallaxyfiles.com/2020/07/31/was-andrew-bolt-got-at/

      {One final time…I posted the following in March….from the Pharmaceutical Society of Australia: a bulletin to all 32,000 Oz pharmacists…emergency bulletin…

      “On the background of some promising data showing the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine for the treatment of COVID-19 and with President Trump’s announcement yesterday, 20 March 2020, that the drug hydroxychloroquine may support the care of patients affected by COVID-19, Australian community pharmacies have seen unprecedented demand for the drug.”

      “PSA is receiving reports from Australian pharmacists that they are receiving prescriptions from: doctors prescribing for other doctors and their families; as well as dentists prescribing to the community and their families; …. it needs to be prescribed and used judiciously. The stock of this medication needs to be managed effectively and utilised for those who may genuinely need it.” etc etc etc….

      Ok, so doctors and dentists already knew the facts for themselves and families 4+ months ago. What we do not know is how many pollies, CMOs, health experts / liarts in general were among the crowd getting it for themselves and families. 100%?}

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      Peter C

      Craig Kelly says Daniel Andrews should get 25 years Jail for banning Hydroxychlororquine.
      9_openoffice.htmlhttps://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/labor-condemns-craig-kelly-s-suggestion-daniel-andrews-could-face-25-years-in-jail-for-hydroxychloroquine-ban/ar-BB17uHW4?ocid=msedgntp

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    Peter Fitzroy

    In coal power news – new production (by nameplate) fell below replacement for those plants which were shutdown

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      TedM

      What else would you expect.

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      AndyG55

      US Coal replaced by GAS.

      Again with the misrepresentation of facts, hey Peter. ;-)

      Look at all the new coal that is either Announced, under construction, or pre-permit/permit.

      Huge amounts of COAL fired power that will be there for 50-60 years AT LEAST. !

      And which provides RELIABLE, CHEAP, DEPENDABLE electricity.

      And provides much needed CO2 for the world’s food supplies.

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        PeterS

        Yes, some 367 under construction, with many hundreds more permitted or planned to be permitted. Too bad Australia is behind the eight ball and going nowhere fast, thanks to both major parties.

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      Chad

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      Peter Fitzroy
      August 3, 2020 at 10:18 am ·
      In coal power news – new production (by nameplate) fell below replacement for those plants which were shutdown

      So you chose to look just at the data for the first 6 months of 2020 ? ..the Covid shutdown period ! … i think that is called “Cherry Picking ” the data.
      You Ignoring last full 12 months when more than double the “retired” capacity was replaced with new capacity…
      Or even more telling , the past 20 years where nearly 4 times as much new capacity was installed compared to the retired capacity !

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        AndyG55

        With the recent episode at Three Gorges Dam, it would not surprise me if China change tack a bit, and keep the dam at a lower level, hence producing less hydro from the dam.

        More coal power would therefore be needed.

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    TedM

    Youtube interview on Ivermectin and mentions of HCQ.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTsrNzJveGU

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    Chad

    NASA celebrating ?
    Why is there so much excitement in the USA over NASA achieving sucessful ocean splashdown space return ?.
    Isnt this something they progressed beyond about 45 years ago ?

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      PeterS

      It wasn’t even completely achieved by NASA. They had to rely on a private company, SpaceX. NASA is too busy changing surface temperature data.

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      Chad

      Maybe a sort of “the frog made it to the top of the well” celebration?

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    David Maddison

    Latest lockdowns from Victoriastan.

    This is cruel and possibly not even legal.

    And what is the scientific basis for this?

    What is the expected outcome?

    What are the objective measures of success or failure?

    https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-victoria-thousands-lose-work-as-mass-business-closures-ordered-construction-manufacturing-retail/a35c94c1-e978-44b1-ae39-3517db07ebb7

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    robert rosicka

    Not sure if this has been posted elsewhere but there is an outbreak of H7N7 virus affecting egg and possibly chicken supply’s in Victoriastan.
    The area under quarantine runs roughly from Geelong to Ballarat.

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    Bulldust

    Tragic news – another has succumbed during the CCP virus pandemic. Yes, the Principality of Hutt River is rejoining the Commonwealth of Australia:

    https://www.watoday.com.au/national/end-of-an-empire-hutt-river-to-rejoin-australia-after-50-years-20200803-p55i1u.html#comments

    Never got around to going up there and getting my passport stamped. All good things…

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    Another Ian

    For the electric car fans

    “…a single electric car battery weighing 1,000 pounds requires extracting and processing some 500,000 pounds of materials. Averaged over a battery’s life, each mile of driving an electric car “consumes” five pounds of earth. Using an internal combustion engine consumes about 0.2 pounds of liquids per mile.”

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/index.php/2020/08/02/we-dont-need-no-flaming-sparky-cars-56/

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    TedM

    From Dr Zelenko

    #ZelenkoProtocol for Prophylaxis

    Quercetin 500mg one or two a day (OTC)

    Zinc 25mg (elemental) once a day (OTC)

    Ask your doctor before taking

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    TedM

    [Duplicate]

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    Graeme#4

    Western Australia’s esteemed Premier Mark McGowan just said on TV that HCQ doesn’t work and would never be approved by any medical officer. WA’s closed state border seems to also have limited his access to outside news updates.

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    How good is it to be Daniel Andrews eh!

    Completely and utterly stuff Victoria.

    Get on TV every day and blame someone else, thinking that the longer he does it, the better he looks.

    Then, if and when all of this begins to fade away a little, he resigns, saying that the stress of it all has ‘burned him out’, and it’s time for someone with renewed vigor to lead the recovery.

    So having presided over the biggest debacle in Victoria’s history, his decisions making it worse on a daily basis, driving his State into financial debt for generations to come, and doing the same for the Commonwealth as a whole, his State exacerbating that federal debt, driving tens of thousands of businesses to the wall, hundreds of thousands of people into bankruptcy, millions into unemployment, tens of thousands of homes lost because people can’t afford the mortgage, vast swathes of people into homelessness, the breakup of families, the deaths of many hundreds of loved ones, the mental trauma all this has caused, the perpetual ongoing sickness this now looks like causing, and on, and on and on.

    What does Daniel Andrews do? He takes his leave with arguably the best superannuation in the Country, all the perks of being a former Premier, and not a single iota of helping with the recovery.

    He should be forced to run unopposed in his electorate for the next ten elections and be placed on a committee to assist with the recovery, until all of it is fixed.

    But no, he’ll be allowed to resign, and leave it all up to everyone else.

    I can see the next election campaign in Victoria, with no candidates running in any electorate, and NO ONE campaigning to win. (please don’t vote for me) A poisoned chalice for generations to come, and an impossible thankless task of recovery, in a State everyone will be leaving.

    It’s a sad situation all round really.

    How did it come to this?

    Remind me again, where did all of this start? Who visited this disaster on us? World War Three, and not a shot was fired.

    Tony.

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    UK-Weather Lass

    Two New Zealanders you may or may not have heard of …

    Sean Topham claims ‘to enhance campaigns through creative storytelling’.

    Ben Guerin claims ‘creative energy and technical expertise to take advantage of digital transformation’.

    Together as ‘Topham Guerin’ based in London’s Mayfair they claim to have managed campaigns involving leading politicians in New Zealand and Australia, including Scott Morrison, and in the UK for the Conservative Party. They were awarded a £3m contract by the UK Government for assistance with public health messaging during the Covid-19 saga. Detail is sketchy.

    One might conclude that there is considerable propaganda coming and not just from Downing Street rather than pure unadulterated material since what it is to be gained by telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth (other than a total mistrust in competency).

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    GD

    Of course, polls don’t mean anything, but it is heartening to read of a poll that says Trump is the frontrunner.

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    The Depraved and MOST Deplorable Vlad the Impaler

    This is a 100% serious question, which I ask by virtue of the fact that I do not know what this term means. Any light shed by anyone here, will be most appreciated.

    What does this term “woke” mean? I’m a septuagenarian, and I don’t do YouTwitFace, and just cannot keep up with the modern slang, so I would like to know what this term is supposed to mean (whatever it is supposed to mean, it probably doesn’t; most modern things are close to the opposite of whatever they are supposedly about: e.g. the oft-called “ObamaCare” was named, in the U.S. Congress, ‘The Affordable Care Act’, which doubled or tripled insurance premiums for about 90% of the population that had private insurance).

    Appreciation to anyone who is able to provide some enlightenment, with Regards,

    Vlad

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      Chad

      Vlad,…
      Just type “woke” into any search engine,..or ask Siri on a smartphone…
      You will get many explanations like this from Wiki..

      The Black Lives Matter movement is responsible for the widespread use of the word woke.
      Woke (/ˈwoʊk/), as a political term of African American origin, refers to a perceived awareness of issues concerning social justice and racial justice.[1] It derives from the African-American Vernacular English expression “stay woke”, whose grammatical aspect refers to a continuing awareness of these issues.

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      bobl

      Vlad, Woke means “Awake” or “Aware” in a social justice warrior sense, so Woke means you follow all the communist doctrines that are supposed to be “progressive” bar none.

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        The Depraved and MOST Deplorable Vlad the Impaler

        Thank you, Chad and bobl. I got the connotation of ‘awake’, but was unsure what the connection was to being ‘awake’. My question was, ‘awake [or awakened] to what exactly?’ You have answered the question better than any search engine could have.

        Ah, yes, we see the self-annointed elites telling the rest of us “sleeper cells” how to act and what to think. They have decades of practice at being told what to think, and zero comprehension of how to think.

        My thanks again to you both,

        The Depraved and MOST Deplorable “Sleepy Sam” Vlad the Impaler

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    Guys, I live in Melbourne where I suddenly need to start doing 1 hour of research every time I walk out, to make sure I do not get hit with a $2700 fine (or is $5000 now?).
    It is surreal in that everyone now has to wear a mask.
    I would be very interested in opinions / data if masks are actually useful – given they don’t stop any air going in, or any air going out?
    The WHO perspective btw on https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/question-and-answers-hub/q-a-detail/q-a-on-covid-19-and-masks is:
    Non-medical, fabric masks are being used by many people in public areas, but there has been limited evidence on their effectiveness and WHO does not recommend their widespread use among the public for control of COVID-19.

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    I find it interesting how companies (the ones that are surviving, anyway) are now evolving to meet the covid threat, and the messaging involved.
    Some businesses are referring people directly to the Victorian Government’s Covid Restrictions.
    Other businesses are taking a much more nuanced approach, for example this covid message is telling the world basically that they are open but that shipping will be delayed slightly, by 1 to 5 days, and providing alternative contacts.
    I think I prefer the latter.

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    dinn, rob

    onward
    Brazil 525/6787=7.7% increase each day for last 3 days new cases/active cases https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/brazil/
    India 54.8/513=10.8% increase/day https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india
    South Africa 10.1/149=6.8% increase/day https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/south-africa
    Iran 2.6/21.3= 12.2% increase/day https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/iran
    ……….

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    bobl

    People keep posting useless stats.

    Active cases are mostly in quarantine and don’t appreciably cause infection (except the fam and gran). So that particular growth stat is meaningless. It’s the incidence of the disease in the wild that causes cases growth and that is generally unrelated to active cases.

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    WXcycles

    The active cases ARE the expression of the disease — and its growth.

    What’s occurring in India right now, and over the next 6 months will make all of what’s proceeded pale to insignificance. At this rate they’ll reach herd immunity before anyone else. What is useless are the comments which ignore the numbers and constantly disparage data.

    At present they have about 38,161 deaths, but this is for the total case number they had two weeks ago. Two weeks ago, (18th July) they had 1,077,864 cases to date. Two weeks later the total cases is 730,000 higher. When there has been a billion total cases in India and 3% to 4% of them are dead due the total inability to treat people (i.e. 30 to 40 million people dead, and a much higher number with serious health consequences), guys like you will still be pushing along that shameless bankrupt delusion that numbers and data should just be ignored.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india

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    WXcycles

    Here’s an irrelevant stat for you, so far 0.0013% of India’s population is known to have caught COVID-19.

    And it still killed 38,161 people.

    If we presumed 60% of the population catching it produces India herd immunity, as pointed out above, ~1 million cases produced ~38,000 dead:

    Indian pop = 1,381,196,835 * 0.6 = 828,718,101 = 60%

    So multiply that 829 million, by 38,161 deaths = 31,635,469 Total deaths to get to herd immunity

    31.6 million dead for India’s population. But if only only 25% of cases are ever officially known, then still 7.9 million die in India to get to herd immunity.

    But the medical system will of course totally collapse, so mortality will rise sharply with the case load increase, as the disease progresses.

    And may their many gods help them, if they get a mortality rate anything like France, Belgium, Spain and Italy.

    As that would be an order of magnitude higher.

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    bobl

    Except that you are basically wrong. Active KNOWN cases doesn’t drive spread – Active UNKNOWN cases does. You justify this by making an emotional appeal and trying to label me as unfeeling, well WXCycles, got news for you, Math doesn’t have emotions, it is what it is, and clearly logic dictates that Wild UNKNOWN cases predominately drive the epidemic.

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    TdeF

    My prophecy is that presented with a vast market, the virus will mutate into a more benign form, I hope. And that is much more likely in a population of over a billion, a number which 100 years ago was the population of the planet.

    That in turn would immunize the market while propagating the virus, so we all win. The problem is that the current virus is far more dangerous than usual because it is virtually undetectable for a week or more and even then 80% of people are asymptomatic. It makes you wonder how a benign virus would compete as this one already is a stealth virus. Worse, the fact that it currently violently and lethally attacks only a small proportion of society tempts the younger segment of any population to be oblivious to the spread. As long as the virus is lethal, self preservation isolation will lock it out, which is why a more benign version is selected. That is really how herd immunity happens over time.

    However death rates in an uncontrolled spread, doubling every few days, will quickly overwhelm medical services and India alone could lose 10x that number, 100-500 million. We may have to return to medieval village isolation completely incompatible with modern life and the world’s mega cities like Delhi and Mumbai and Dhaka and Chennai. And in time that will create the benign version, just as the Spanish flu just became the flu.

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    TdeF

    And as Dreadful Dan moves to shut all businesses, things will get a lot worse. I suppose it’s fine for Dan. He and his public service mates will always have a job, living on the hard work of others. But the rest of society has work to do. For example Northern Tasmania has no eggs. That’s something people take for granted but they are dependent on Victoria. And Dan wants to shut butcher shops while keeping abattoirs open? Surely there is a better way to control food processing and handling than just shutting everything? What about regular testing of everyone involved? Or limited work groups, isolated like workers in Alfred Nobel’s research laboratories in Scotland during the development of explosives. Just shutting everything speaks of a very limited leader. No wonder the Labor party are against a meritocracy. Even the surgeons are sitting on their hands at home while people suffer.

    My real concern is that a complete incompetent like Andrews is still in charge. He should have resigned long ago and apologized for the absolute disaster he alone has created. In true dictator form, he has just blamed everyone else, as Stalin blamed the Ukranians for the Holomodor.

    I was reluctantly complimentary of his handling of the crisis until we all learned that the whole thing was completely out of control. Now we are supposed to believe that the man in charge is suddenly competent? Duck! Flying pigs. If he was running a chook raffle, the chook would go missing.

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    WXcycles

    My guesstimate at present is between 10 and 50 million dead in India to finally stymie the spread. That would create more disruption and hellish conditions for more people than have been involved in any prior ‘natural’ disaster within one country. It’ll go first and probably become the worst a well. At least it will be well documented this time. There’s no possible internal or external aid solution for this scale of infection. Foreign aid and mass transport is out, plus the same thing will begin to occur everywhere, just as it burns out in a hellish crescendo of deaths in India. So you’re right, people will have to deal with this with local resources. We’ll all be in it together but that ultimately just means we’re on our own.

    I hope you’re right tdef, and we can hold it off for a year or two until a more benign form develops and antivirals get produced on a massive scale. It’s clear Beijing has decided to buy time and reduce the level of internal social and political disorder, while increasing control. It seems most people will only understand the danger from COVID-19 when more than a million people are dying per day, globally, and body growth in city bedrooms and ‘living’ rooms exceed organised efforts to bury, or else store them.

    Perhaps IKEA starts selling leak-resistant flat-pack coffins, in a range of contemporary colors, which one can assemble at home in 5 minutes without screws, plus custom laser etch a graphic of your choice into the outer surface, so you know which one is grandma among the many thousands of others being buried on that day. I suppose that works until the delivery services stop, then we’re down to placing leaking swollen corpses on planks and throwing them into gaping holes. Maybe then people realize we were better off when we were trying to eliminate it.

    But forget refrigerated trucks as we’ll need all of those for food supply, and there’ll be no body bags or tarps left anywhere, so we’re going to get used to throwing up quite a lot. The world’s going to have a very different mix of demographics, geopolitics and renovated values, by around 2025.

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    Graeme No.3

    TdeF:

    At least you’ve still got the turkey.

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    TdeF

    And as Daniel Andrews announced “Victoria’s new stage-four restrictions must work, because “there is no stage five”.

    How outrageous! You would think this runaway infection situation was our fault, not his.

    It’s like the old police commissioner lecture on car accidents over a weekend, berating all Victorians.

    No Daniel, it’s your fault. How simple was quarantine to execute? People cannot leave. Even to go shopping.

    How many millions did you pay to put teenage students in chairs to police thousands of people when the police and army were free. Why?

    And how was a student supposed to stop people just walking out the door?

    Now the police and army have to clean up after your mess, your gift to everyone in Victoria.

    All the ethics of the captain of the Costa Concordia.

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    TdeF

    In history no one solved plagues. That’s why the Swedes thought, based on history, that they could ‘soldier on’. In fact generally 1/3 to 1/2 of the people died and a new plague came back every 25 years. It kept Europe’s population under control but it was tragedy heaped on tragedy for 200 years. We have not had such a terrible plague since 1918 and to think this one was man made! I really hope the Chinese are more careful with their nuclear missiles.

    Still we understand it for the first time. Fully. If not the detailed human response, at least how viruses work, what they are and how to combat them. In principle. We can finally see these sub microscopic monsters. We may even as a species succeed in engineering a vaccine. That would be wonderful.

    So I am sure we can hold it off, but I am not so sure about Iran and Iraq and the mega cities of India and China. And the whole of Africa.

    The core principle which has saved half the lives over centuries has been quarantine, 40 days isolation, live or die. It works.

    That’s why I am so angry with Chairman Dan who signed a Belt and Road contract with the country which created this monster but cannot see fit to use the police to keep people in quarantine. Now he has the police chasing bike riders and walkers, swimmers, fishermen and golfers as if they are the culprits.

    No, it’s those thousands of people off planes. Is that too hard to understand? And he is puzzled that it’s untraceable? No idea how it happened?
    That’s because he let many infected people off planes and straight into the community. As if that wasn’t bleeding obvious.

    Can we have a practical, sensible, caring person in charge please , not some communist apparatchik. Who cares more about keeping his job than his responsibilities. Scores of people a day are dying because of your incompetence Dan. Resign now.

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    OriginalSteve

    There was a paper in the jounal “Cell” that basically said the current mutation of the virus which is also prevelent in most countries, is fairly benign.

    https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(20)30820-5
    See graphs toward back of pdf version of the paper that maps less dangrous mutation spread across the globe

    As such, the victorian fiasco is based on old information, or, its a deliberate act of bastardry.

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    bobl

    Oh for gods sake, can you be any more melodramatic, assuming an 70 year lifespan on average 1.42% of the population dies in any year so this year we can expect 18 Million Indians to die anyway. A good proportion of which will have Covid-19 when it happens.

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    Kalm Keith

    Yes Dan.

    It’s Time!

    The unchecked violence in Melbourne in recent years has been disgusting.

    No Australian citizen should be subject to continued threat and harassment from a dissident group of “voters”.

    To allow that is to acknowledge the loss of a basic Australian right to protection from crime through the police and legal system.

    Why do Victorians keep voting for this?

    Oh, that’s right, the alternate parti are no better.

    KK

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    Another Ian

    TdeF

    ” I really hope the Chinese are more careful with their nuclear missiles.”

    Well, if they blew up at home first, the problem would be more contained

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    Kalm Keith

    No thought or analysis:

    just a giant padlock.

    So impressive.

    Sitrongpella.

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    Kalm Keith

    And just to balance the stupidity, Scotty from the market, has arrived with a gift from the rest of Australia to all the soon to be unemployed in Victoria: $1,500.

    Ain’t politics great:

    solvent one day, in massive Debt Crisis the next.

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    PeterS

    Get used to it. A lot more money “printing” is to come. Sadly it’s unavoidable.

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    Rob Kennedy

    Steve, how dare you call The Great Reset” an act of bastardry. It is necessary according to the global experts to make a more sustainable planet for those left to enjoy it. Just because you and I may not fit into the plan and are to be made terminally redundant doesn’t mean we should not enthusiastically support it. Medical Martial Law is the best way of getting the proles to comply. It is sort of exciting to watch your country going down the gurgler with everyone clamoring for ever tighter restrictions on life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

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    TdeF

    And Daniel Andrews remarkable incompetence is front page on the world stage.

    They don’t mention that at the same time as only a Premier Comrade Dan signed the whole state as part of the Chinese Belt and Road system, an area where he has no authority at all as in the US, trade, defence, customs and foreign affairs are delegated entirely to the Federation.

    I would have thought we were a long way from the road to Mandalay. More like Roadkill.

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    GD

    How long can Australia be viable with ‘printing money’?

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    TdeF

    Now the story has been pulled. Daniel Andrews is no longer world famous. I thought it was 15 minutes of fame
    The only mention of Australia left is an ad. for the Climate Council of Australia, who must be selling something.

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    WXcycles

    People keep posting useless stats.

    That’s you doing this:

    … guys like you will still be pushing along that shameless bankrupt delusion that numbers and data should just be ignored.

    You’ve been doing this months. You even strongly pushed the wrong position that Summer heat would end COVID-19 for months after I’d used the actual data and number examination to show this was false, and the wrong presumption. Despite posting that data to you directly, several times, you kept saying the opposite to what the alleged “useless stats” were showing.

    I don’t care about your “feelings”, pro or con and of course never bought that up, but perhaps you have a guilty conscience or a damaged self-image to nurse?

    I do care though about your much preferring your own opinions over data and quantitative analysis then getting it so wrong, for so long, confusing the issue with nonsense, and failing to recognize you were wrong, plus failed to change tack. But you did quietly finally give up on it. Indeed, you’re practically condemning the use of data and analysis of the actual numbers.

    You’re not interested in the basis of the scientific method, and examination on the basis of observation and implications of what’s actually occurring. So why should I not point that out? Why would I let you again get away with attacking the use of data or the analysis of it as, “useless stats“?

    If you had been paying attention to the “useless stats” you wouldn’t be getting the interpretations of the disease trends and their implications and direction so wrong. You would not be deluding yourself that sending everyone with COVID-19 to Darwin is a ‘solution’, when it was already very clear from the, “useless stats“, that your premise was obviously wrong, and would not achieve any of your assumed aims.

    And that’s because you didn’t even bother to check to see if the hotter countries had in fact been spreading COVID-19 at a faster rate than the cooler countries — as we now see, right across the northern hemisphere in the beginning of late summer. Chases are rising again in the USA and Europe and cases are exploding in exponential fashion in India.

    So why should anyone listen to your useless assertions about the data being “useless”, and condemning its use, or referral?

    As for your excuse about the unseen community-spreading – well, duh!

    Got any more lucid insights to replace the actual data with?

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