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The Bureau of Met disappears “Very Hot Days” graph showing the most hot days in 1952

Here’s an inconvenient fact: Australia had the highest number of very hot days in 1952, back when CO2 levels were 311ppm and humans had not yet emitted 87% of our carbon dioxide emissions. Something else was causing that extreme heat. If only the modelers knew what it was?

For years the BOM site had this informative graph below, but yesterday Craig Kelly M.P. phoned me to prepare for his Bolt Report appearance and informed me the Bureau had dropped it down the memory hole. It used to be a tab available on their Track climate trends and extremes page. Apparently in this era of global warming, the BoM doesn’t think Australians care about the trends in days over 40C in Australia, or perhaps it didn’t fit the agenda? On the Bolt Report last night Kelly explained that according to the Wayback machine, it disappeared sometime during the election campaign this year. (It was there on March 26th and gone on March 28th.)

Thankfully Paul Homewood of Notalotofpeopleknowthat kept a copy:

Graph, Australia, Average number of very hot days. Bureau of Meteorology.

There’s not much a of a trend in the average number of very hot days (greater than 40C) each year in Australia.  | Source: Australian Bureau of Meteorology 2016.

Apparently very hot days are defined as the number of “days over 40C” and are obtained by averaging across all stations with sufficiently long data across the country. It uses the all wonderful modern ACORN dataset (v1 in 2016). There were 21 days where the nation averaged “over 40″ in 1952. Since then humans have emitted 5/6ths of all the emissions our species has ever produced. The peak in 1952 doesn’t prove CO2 has no effect, but the lack of a meaningful trend across the century highlights how misleading it is for the BOM to claim that extreme heat noise proves we need to reduce CO2. There are so many combinations of heatwaves, hot days, and hottest-ever long weekends that it’s possible for a PR institute to fish for “a record” and find one. A PR institute might also filter for records to forget them. If only the BoM was science based instead.

Pagan witchdoctors instilled fear by pointing at suspicious coincidences and didn’t mention the counter-factuals. Some things never change.

The Bolt Report: IN 26 YEARS, THE ABC’S MEDIA WATCH HAS NEVER CORRECTED THE BIG CLIMATE LIE

Last night, Craig Kelly talked to Andrew Bolt about the failure of MediaWatch and his concerns about the Bureau of Meteorology.

As Andy Pitman says: “this may not be what you read in newspapers…” Craig Kelly wants to know why MediaWatch have never pulled up the ABC for misleading the public on droughts. That’s what MediaWatch are paid to do, says Kelly. Now that Pitman has made the misunderstanding on droughts and climate change clear, the ABC is mythmaking — actively promoting falsehoods.

But the blame also comes back to Pitman and climate scientists at uni’s, the BoM and the CSIRO.  If they are aware the public have a misunderstanding, it’s their duty to correct that. That’s what we pay them for. Where were their press releases?

 

I speak to Kelly regularly, and he impresses me with his detailed questions — drilling down and checking his sources. He’s determined to hold our scientists to account.

If only more M.P.s took such an interest in climate science and meteorology.

REFERENCES

Track climate trends and extremes, The Australian Bureau of Meteorology.

The Wayback machine has the data up to Dec 2016.

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260 comments to The Bureau of Met disappears “Very Hot Days” graph showing the most hot days in 1952

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    el gordo

    Memo to PM, make Craig the new science minister.

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      robert rosicka

      Appoint him minister for climate change and he would shred Butler to pieces .

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        el gordo

        As science minister he could seek a BoM audit.

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          robert rosicka

          Want to see green heads explode give him both portfolios .

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            el gordo

            Realpolitik

            A humble backbencher is spending a lot of time in the Sky studios, this could become embarrassing for both sides of politics.

            As science minister he could request a BoM audit to satisfy the contrarians in the Coalition that its all good. After the audit a Royal Commission could be called.

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              truth

              I think a large part of the motivation for the political assassination of Tony Abbott was that he was calling for an audit of BoM..Hunt was said to have put an end to that.

              We’re back to square one with Morrison IMO…because he has us on the Turnbull ‘profound transition’ that ends with Australia being the only industrialized country on earth to have a Mickey Mouse unreliable unstable .. 100% weather-dependent intermittent electricity system while all our competitors and trading partners will have the security of multiple baseload sources.

              What could go wrong?

              It’s radio silence on the issue as far as Morrison’s concerned and I think Australians are entitled to have him explain why he’s nobbling Australia…why we must be the only country on earth to commit economic and social suicide for this hoax.

              If we don’t demand answers to that we’re conceding that we don’t have a democracy and we’re just doormats for dictators.

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                Kalm Keith

                That’s it in a nutshell Truth, the whole sad story.

                Whoever is running this evil has the West teetering on the brink of collapse and in a state of pandemonium that we won’t escape from without an all out declaration of revulsion at the evil that has taken over.

                Over the last 50 years our national progress has been slowed, then halted and now reversed.

                It may be difficult to change this because the evil infests governments, “education” and media and all of these give rewards for drinking the KoolAid rather than for acting to move Australia forward.

                Make No mistake, Australia needs to root out this lawless, anti democratic approach and once again reward decency, honesty, common sense in both the community and our leaders.

                In short we need the equivalent of Brexit, Trumpit, Yellow Vestit and Dutch Hoeing.

                Token Environmentalism is Evil, and that’s what rules now for the benefit of the Elites like MalEx444, The Hewson, The Unions (leaders only) The Church, and overseas, Prince Charles, Sir Attenborough, the Clinton Foundation and Bruxelles.

                We have been imprisoned and enslaved by those who have circumvented true Democratic Process.

                We Must declare war on this current blight on society.

                KK

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                Kalm Keith

                We Must declare war for the sake of the children, and if you don’t understand the urgency just look at the Elites Own Goal.

                Greta is a highly visible symbol of what is being done to our children and That performance at the United Bloody Nations is evidence of the uncaring evil that we must expose and fight head on if we are to survive and move forward.

                KK

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                el gordo

                The black hand has been cut off, but Morrison dithers as though mass delusion is irrelevant, in fact its the most important issue of our time.

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                PeterS

                Regardless of how one looks at it and no matter how one tries to excuse away the apathy of the Morrison and much of his party, it will all end in tears. Make no mistake about it, history is about to repeat itself yet again. We simply do not have a leader who has the courage of his convictions to pull us out of the quicksand that’s gradually sinking Australia into the abyss. We can spend copious amounts of time and effort analysing the root causes but the outcome is inevitable unless we have a real leader put in place.

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                el gordo

                ‘ … the outcome is inevitable unless we have a real leader put in place.’

                Okay you’re PM for a day, do you plan on making an announcement soon?

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                PeterS

                Being PM for a day would not suffice. It would have to be for 10 years :-)

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                el gordo

                Alright I’m deputy PM and today the guvmint is announcing that we’ll buy back small rural holdings and auction them off.

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                Environment Skeptic

                Not sure who the PM (Potatoe Man) is in Ireland at the moment…, however, maybe BOM could give the Irish some of our hot days?

                https://www.irishpost.com/news/serious-problems-irish-potato-harvest-due-bad-weather-may-result-national-shortage-172843

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                Latus Dextro

                You’re not alone KK. #1.1.1.1
                Your mates across the Tasman are in an equally precarious predicament at the hands of the demented virtue signalling hijab obsessed, neo-Marxist corporatist globalists.
                Interestingly, both countries with short histories, limited tradition, short-lived identities and 85% urban / 15% rural population distributions. The identity driven metro-sexuals rule.
                Little short of civil war will fix this kraptitude.

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                Lawrie

                It will not be very industrialised by the time the aluminium smelters are closed down. Next will be the steel smelters. After that we will just import the metals we need and pay for them with what? Carbon credits? The Morrison government seem happy to see the end of agriculture which used to earn big export dollars. And now they crow about more wind and solar. We are being led by deluded fools.

                BTW. I noticed that the year with the least 100 degree days was 2011. Goodness how did the BoM let that one through?

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              Ursus Augustus

              An RC is the way to go but in order to underpin its setting up maybe a report into the state of academic integrity is where to start.

              Such a report could address not just the sort of aBOMination of data and records Jo and Jennifer Marohasy write so much about and the Ridd persecution but also look at the effect on universities of large numbers of OS students and the temptation to lower standards and then persecute whistleblowers. It could look at the advance of the PC Gestapo in selectively shutting down free speech in various ways as well as gutting the historic culture of vigourous debate and more respectfull clash of ideas.

              Once prepared there would be ample basis to further explore such matters at the RC and make the slithering Woke worms talk their talk on the public record and the opportunity for the likes of Pitman et al in the great green blob to be cross examined.

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                destroyer D69

                The number of “runs on the board”as a result of RC investigations so far is abyssmal.A great talkfest and finger wagging theatre with no action on the results. What is needed is a display of,and direct action by the affected populace, as the Dutch, French and Hong Kong (amongst others not mentioned by our media) people have recently displayed ,which resulted in actual action by the government.

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                el gordo

                We need an audit first, then a Royal Commission should naturally follow.

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    pat

    jo, great you got video of Kelly’s appearance. I could only find audio. however, it’s worth listening to the 5 minutes-plus below.

    26min32sec to 32min: Guest Gerard Henderson on CAGW catastrophists, including John Hewson. ends with a rhetorical question from Bolt:

    AUDIO: 49min32sec: Sky: Bolt Report: 22 Oct 2019
    https://play.acast.com/s/theboltreport/theboltreport-tuesday22ndoctober

    VIDEO: 1hr 4min: 21 Oct: ABC Q&A: Future Alert
    Good evening, and welcome to Q&A. I’m Annabel Crabb. Here gagging to answer your questions tonight are: political leader turned ***thought leader John Hewson…ETC
    Now, we’ve taken the tactful step of not actually inviting anyone FROM our existing democratic system – as you’ll notice, looking at the panel, there’s a distinct lack of serving politicians. So we can talk about them behind their backs as much as we like…

    Questions includes: CLIMATE & BUSINESS (45:54)
    Jonty Hall (NOT BoM’s JONTY HALL) asked: Given the continuing inaction on climate change and the desire across many industries for greater certainty around future climate policy, what strategies can Australian businesses use to force action on this issue?

    JOHN HEWSON:
    Look, there’s no doubt that business is responding. I mean, when you get the big miners, for example – BHP, Rio, Glencore, Woodside – all saying what you have got to do is take decisive, government-led action on climate, and they don’t listen… You know, or when every poll in the country, 60% to 80% of people, want decisive action on climate change, they still don’t listen.
    You know, when you get a Greta Thunberg and moving a whole global motion – a movement, I should say – they still don’t listen…
    You know, I remember, I worked on a printing company about 15 years ago on the board. I asked we get our… “Can’t we get our carbon footprint?”…
    And, of course, some of the leading businesses around the world are moving very quickly. The Googles and Apple and so on, they have become carbon neutral…

    If they had set a framework… I mean, I obviously have to talk about my own past, but we took a 20% cut in emissions by 2000 off a 1990 base. If we had done that every decade since, we’d be at about half the current level of emissions now. We would… The Paris commitments would be irrelevant. We’d be well on the way to a transition to a low-carbon society by 2050. Electricity and gas prices would be much lower, you know?…
    We can replace the coal industry, as an export sector, with the export…exporting hydrogen, exporting solar power to other regions…

    CLIMATE IMPASSE
    MICHELLE GROSSER, WARRANDYTE, VIC (50:43)
    Michelle Grosser submitted a video question: The UK declared a climate emergency in May 2019 and since then they have looked in detail at the way the British economy can be de-carbonised and have also looked at the long term security of their food and health. There are obvious benefits in applying this long term lens to policy decisions so why do the conservatives in Australia fight to retain a short term focus?

    JOHN HEWSON:
    The contrast between Australia and the UK couldn’t have been more explicit. On the day that Theresa May… One of the last things she did as prime minister was to declare a climate emergency. It was the same day we gave the final approvals for the Adani mine. And that tells you everything of where we sit. And if I think back over the transition in the UK, a couple of elections ago, the three major parties agreed, “We’re not going to debate coal, we’re not going to debate climate, it’s off the political agenda.” They’ve made a transition basically away from coal. This is a country which, in the Thatcher era, the ‘80s, had some of the most divisive and painful mining strikes, coalmining strikes, you can ever remember. The whole country has moved away from a dependence on coal. Germany’s doing it…
    We do need to have something like a commission that lifts it out of the day-to-day politics and looks at the longer-term transition requirements, sector by sector – power, transport, agriculture, building, industrial processes, and so on. I mean, that’s the framework. If the government sort of stepped out of the way and that framework was set, we could catch up, I think…
    https://www.abc.net.au/qanda/2019-21-10/11595248

    from comparing pics online, this would appear to be the same MICHELLE GROSSER (APOLOGIES IF I’M WRONG):

    12 Jul 2017: Foreground: A matter of time: Design in the age of sea level rise
    In the past two decades factors leading to rising sea levels have increased by 50 percent, with serious consequences for our cities and how we plan and design them.
    PIC: Recently updated sea level rise projections for Melbourne for the year 2100.
    by ***MICHELLE GROSSER
    Michelle Grosser is a science historian, writer and geologist
    [This article was modified from the original on 12 July 2017 to account for the partial collapse of the Larsen C ice shelf and again on 17 July to rephrase a more accurate lead paragraph]
    https://www.foreground.com.au/planning/design-sea-level-rise/

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      Hewson needs to reveal his interests in renewable energy when commenting here. Breathtaking that the interviewer would not get him to state this up front. His opinions need to be shown in that light.

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      pat

      what’s the bet this is the same MICHELLE GROSSER? check the full lists:

      Australian Engineers Declare Climate and Biodiversity Emergency
      Movement Declaration : The impending climate breakdown and biodiversity loss are the two most serious issues of our time. Australian Engineers Declare are determined to address this…
      (SIGNATORIES INCLUDES A ***MICHELLE GROSSER)
      https://engineersdeclare.org.au/

      funny how ***Arrhenius’s name keeps popping up these days:

      22 Oct: TheConversation: Climate scientist: our profession is letting down humanity – we must change the way we approach the climate crisis
      by Wolfgang Knorr, Senior Research Scientist, Physical Geography and Ecosystem Science, Lund University
      Climate science has in large part been a remarkable success story. Swedish physicist ***Svante Arrhenius accurately calculated how much a doubling of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere would warm the planet as early as 1896…

      In the face of a genuine existential threat to our civilisation, we scientists need to shift our focus from long-term models that give a false sense of control over the climate crisis and paint drastic emissions cuts as easily achievable…
      For example, our global food system is already vulnerable to extreme weather events. If drought strikes in several countries at the same time, there are no guarantees that our food supply chains – in which deliveries arrive “just-in-time” to minimise costs – will not experience collapses in the next decade or two…READ ON
      https://theconversation.com/climate-scientist-our-profession-is-letting-down-humanity-we-must-change-the-way-we-approach-the-climate-crisis-122479

      reminder:

      20 Sept: UnionOfConcernedScientists: I’m a Scientist and Greta Thunberg’s Speech to Congress Inspires Me
      by Brenda Ekwurzel,senior climate scientist
      I was honored to meet Greta Thunberg, the 16-year old climate activist who started weekly climate strikes and the hashtag #FridaysForFuture…
      Moments before Greta’s powerful speech to members of Congress on September 18, 2019 in the largest room on Capitol Hill, the Ways and Means Committee room, she was preparing in a small room. Those of us with her stood a little away so that she might think about the words she was about to share with the world. Her father, Svante Thunberg, deftly encouraged us to speak in low tones while still engaging in friendly conversation. I remarked to him that I admired his first name because I appreciate that he shares it with the Swedish scientist and Nobel laureate in chemistry, Svante Arrhenius, who made noteworthy contributions in climate science by pointing out how different levels of carbon dioxide concentration in the atmosphere would affect Earth’s climate (the so-called “greenhouse effect”).

      Svante Thunberg smiled and replied that he grew up knowing that he was related to, and named after, the Nobel laureate. However, until recently no one in Greta’s family quite understood exactly what Arrhenius was honored for. Mr. Thunberg said he himself did not truly appreciate it until Greta started to seriously learn more about climate change. With a twinkle in his eye and mirthful irony he posited this as a kind of an indicator that even Arrhenius’s own descendants were not sufficiently aware of the climate science—which likely means this applies to most people. Sure enough, if you look at the Nobel Prize website page, “Svante August Arrhenius was born on February 19, 1859, the son of Svante Gustaf Arrhenius and Carolina Christina Thunberg.” Greta is distantly related to Svante Arrhenius…

      Full circle: we have now received two warnings from Swedish thinkers, one from the 19th century and one from the 21st century…
      PIC: Greta Thunberg and Brenda Ekwurzel during panel discussion after her speech in the Ways and Means Committee room of the U.S. House of Representatives on September 18, 2019. Photo by Alden Meyer
      https://blog.ucsusa.org/brenda-ekwurzel/im-a-scientist-greta-thunbergs-speech-to-congress-inspires-me

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        Serp

        Go pat! Good the way they champion Arrhenius and ignore his contemporary Angstrom’s rebuttal.

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          Kalm Keith

          If I remember correctly Arhenius later accepted that CO2 did nothing for atmospheric temperature.

          Isn’t it funny that an “expurt” from a hundred years ago has more credibility than current scientists who are in a state of paralysis at the thought of retribution from the green machine if they talk.

          But hey let’s stay with the programme; Go Greta!!!

          KK

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            ian hilliar

            No, Arhenius assumed that the extra warmth from CO2 would cause the frozen wastes of Siberia and Alaska to become the agricultural heartland of the planet. None of the current crop of climatescientologists like to mention this fact, nor the fact that he stated that regular electrocution was good for children’s growing brains. I wonder if that is what happened to Greta and her sister? I believe we should use the term climatescientologists whenever appropriate, as it is all about ficticious beliefs, and money.

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              Kalm Keith

              It was so long ago that it basically seemed irrelevant but it’s interesting that he thought about shock therapy. Certainly a busy bloke.

              KK

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      theRealUniverse

      ‘Recently updated sea level rise projections for Melbourne for the year 2100.’
      Ok Ill give you an estimate for Melbourne’s sea level in 2100…No data needed ..itll be about…………….ZEROmm!
      And Ill bet thats not far off.

      ‘However, until recently no one in Greta’s family quite understood exactly what Arrhenius was honored for. Mr. Thunberg said he himself did not truly appreciate it until Greta started to seriously learn more about climate change. ‘
      Well how long did it take for them to find out that Arrhenius’s mother was a THUNBERG! the info I read is that yes they ARE related!
      that would make him like Greta’s great great uncle?..

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      truth

      John Hewson’s a piece of work…displays his treachery as do other hoaxers…in the comparisons he makes and hopes to get away with in order to deceive Australians.

      He and other high profile CAGW cult activists with vested interests use bogus analogies to try to make Australians believe the response here is backward…..recalcitrant global vandalism.

      If only Australian governments really were looking after Australia’s interest instead of those of Global Socialism we wouldn’t be facing the disaster we are now.

      Hewson et al regularly compare Australia unfavorably with the Nordic countries …and UK…Denmark.. EU in general…but Australia is way out on a limb…absolutely alone in our precarious situation and our government’s madness.

      In all the world …only the Australian governments are doing deliberate existential harm to their citizens and their children’s futures.

      All of the 1st world countries Hewson et al compare Australia with…..including Canada and US…have multiple baseload sources of electricity and always will…forever….in coal…gas…nuclear…vast river hydro…biomass[emitting more CO2 than coal but it’s not counted]…plus interconnectors between them in Europe and between Canada and US in North America….so they can access each other’s resources if necessary.

      Australia has absolutely none of that security…except the coal and gas that Hewson et al demand Australia kill off ASAP.

      None of those other 1st world countries will ever be 100% dependent on 100% weather-dependent intermittents and their weather-dependent props as is Australia’s fate….forced on us by government obedient to foreign entities….and contemptuous of law-abiding taxpaying Australian citizens.

      It should be a wake-up call to Australians that Hewson and other CAGW activist vested interests like the three major British parties he admiringly cites…have such abject contempt for the citizens who are paying the massive subsidies…that they demand those citizens just shut up…have no say …no debate.

      This thing has been totalitarian from the start when the Climate Commission….established to inform citizens ..instead admonished them from Day1 of their forays around Australia…that questions about the science and justification for damaging policies ….were not welcome….only questions that accepted the consensus and ‘science in/over/closed’ as the premise….were to be tolerated.

      And IMO that’s what Morrison’s doing too…running dead on the issue….saying nothing…getting it off the political agenda until it’s too late to change course…so he doesn’t have to make any decisions on it…let coal plants be damaged by government corruption of the market to favor dispatch of intermittents…then say these old damaged coal plants have to go.

      The ‘big stick’ is just a smokescreen and a diversion…it’s democracy and Australia’s future that’s being targeted….not retailers…their entire commitment is to intermittents and they’re internationally-owned anyway….mostly Chinese.

      And that’s exactly what Hewson wants and more IMO…a dictatorship of the corporates who have already been made hostage to the Left by solar Hewson’s much bragged-about huge worldwide divestment campaign to make any potential investment orgs too scared of LW shareholder revolt and stranded assets to even think of investing in coal …followed up by slapping a risk premium on coal generation to make it seem more expensive than the undispatchable intermittents….and unfundable.

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        so tell me, what do you think of Hewson?

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        Environment Skeptic

        Maybe he was from the intergovernmental party

        If they introduced climate trading, it would have been far more equitable and might have been more successful too. Places with desperately cold weather, like much of the northern hemisphere at the moment, could trade their cold days with some of the BOM’s hot days it wants to get rid of. A win for everyone.

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    Jo
    Apparently the BOM has also removed the reference to the all time heatwave record at Marble Bar in the 1920s. Don’t want anybody knowing about facts which upset the warmist view…
    And don’t forget they don’t consider any temperatures before 1910 as you know. But they do consider rainfall records before this… This conveniently hides the “inconvenient” heat from the Federation drought.

    Sussan Ley has written back to me on the concerns I raised but her excuses for homogenising are useless.

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      Serp

      Well Sussan is on her second chance at ministerial level and doesn’t want to get her hands grubby tackling the sacrosanct BOM on behalf of the cavilling climate fringe.

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    John F. Hultquist

    I’m sure they have a very good reason.
    Now, how do I make a snicker-face?

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    OriginalSteve

    Coz apparently ( and this is really hard to say with a straight face ) they were protecting us from an emotional overload…..

    Is the BOM website one big sciency-like-ish type of “safe space”?

    Or more like an elephants graveyard?

    Hmmmmm

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    pat

    give thanks for Sky…after dark!
    re the article behind paywall in The Australian re Qld Govt’s secret plan to end coal mining (scope 3 emissions).

    VIDEO: 6min41sec: 22 Oct 2019: Facebook: Sky: Paul Murray Live
    Queensland Resources Council Chief Executive Ian MacFarlane has said denying coal mine leases would spell “the beginning of the end for the mining industry in Queensland”.
    https://www.facebook.com/SkyNewsAustralia/videos/queenslands-reported-plans-to-deny-coal-mine-licenses-spell-beginning-of-end/447283879225654/

    Classified Queensland plan to close down coalmining
    The Australian – 23 hours ago
    Classified Queensland plan to close down coalmining …It is a plan that could forever change Queensland’s economy — possibly putting Australian-first environmental hurdles in the way of new projects, particularly in mining — but until now its existence was a secret…
    Commissioned last year by the Labor government, Australia’s top … emails canvassing the Adani project by veteran anti-coal activist Tim Seelig …

    Annastacia Palaszczuk holds firm on ‘public risk’ paper
    The Australian – 10 hours ago
    Palaszczuk government is continuing to refuse to publicly … litigation and the possibility of “overseas scope 3 emissions” levels being … the documents, authored by top Australian environmental lawyers, with the … by veteran anti-coal activist Tim Seelig — controversially appointed last year…

    State Government responds to explosive coal report
    Rockhampton Morning Bulletin – 8 hours ago
    The Australian’s report stated the Queensland Government would not … raised the prospect of “overseas scope 3 emissions” being linked to …

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      theRealUniverse

      ‘Classified Queensland plan to close down coalmining’ so whos dead body is that going to be over?
      It aint going to happen with out a riot.

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      WXcycles

      It has been perfectly clear from Peter Beatty, Anna Blight and Pluckachook that the Queensland Labor party are determined to destroy QLD’s finances and economy for all time. The Brisbane political dunny needs a wire-brush and 44-gallon drum of Pine-O-Clean anti-septic flush.

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    robert rosicka

    Not only is Kelly impressive but their ABC won’t fact check him anymore since he called out the sinking pacific island lies .
    I keep saying Kelly should be in a higher position even advising the PM .

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      Robert Swan

      I suspect the ABC are fact checking him for all they’re worth. The moment they find he’s said something wrong, they’ll let everybody know. Mum’s the word till then.

      In the great tradition of climate science, they want to make cherry pie, so they cherry pick.

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      PeterS

      I suspect Morrison doesn’t want to be too close to Kelly for fear of losing his forthcoming badge of honour for meeting the Paris target. Of course it would be so wonderful if Kelly became PM soon. I dream.

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    el gordo

    Monsoon failure is a global cooling signal.

    ‘ … 1950 saw extraordinary rains in central New South Wales and most of Queensland: Dubbo’s 1950 rainfall of 1,329 mm (52 inches) can be estimated to have a return period of between 350 and 400 years, whilst Lake Eyre filled for the first time in thirty years. In contrast, 1951, 1961 and 1965 were very dry, with complete monsoon failure in 1951/1952 and extreme drought in the interior during 1961 and 1965. Temperatures over this period initially fell to their lowest levels of the 20th century, with 1949 and 1956 being particularly cool, but then began a rising trend that has continued with few interruptions to the present.’ wiki

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    pat

    22 Oct: ClimateChangeNews: Australia admits it is on its own using cringe carbon loophole
    By Richie Merzian, climate and energy programme director at The Australia Institute.
    If countries close this loophole at Cop25, Australia will have to make good with new policy or purchased units. The Australia Institute’s research finds even with modest assumptions it could cost the Australian government over AU$18 billion ($12.4bn) to cover the gap…
    https://climatechangenews.com/2019/10/22/australia-admits-using-cringe-carbon-loophole/

    21 Oct: Guardian: Britain now G7′s biggest net importer of CO2 emissions per capita, says ONS
    Fall in UK-produced emissions has been offset by those from increase in imported products
    by Richard Partington, Economics correspondent
    Britain has contributed to the global climate emergency by outsourcing its carbon emissions to developing nations, according to official figures, despite managing to weaken the domestic link between fossil fuels and economic growth.
    The Office for National Statistics said the UK had become the biggest net importer of carbon dioxide emissions per capita in the G7 group of wealthy nations – outstripping the US and Japan – as a result of buying goods manufactured abroad…

    In a sign of domestic ***progress, the ONS said there was evidence of an “absolute decoupling” between CO2 emissions and economic growth since about 1985, driven by the steady dismantling of the nation’s manufacturing base and the gradual rise of renewable energy sources and low-carbon technologies.

    The shift away from heavy industry to ***knowledge-intensive service sector in that period has resulted in gross domestic product per capita rising by 70.7%. It also contributed to a 34.2% decrease in UK-produced carbon emissions…
    Quick guide
    8 ways to offset your carbon emissions
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/oct/21/britain-is-g7s-biggest-net-importer-of-co2-emissions-per-capita-says-ons

    11 Apr: CarbonBrief: Guest post: The UK’s carbon footprint is at its lowest level for 20 years
    by Dr. Anne Owen, Prof John Barrett
    Dr Anne Owen is senior research fellow at the University of Leeds’ Sustainability Research Institute. Prof John Barrett is the institute’s chair in energy and climate policy.
    Nevertheless, the UK remains one of the world’s largest net importers of CO2 emissions embodied in traded products. This is because the UK economy has become increasingly focused on services over the past 20 to 30 years, meaning it imports many carbon intensive products from overseas…

    In this article, we discuss our latest results and the implications of taking into account the imported emissions associated with UK consumption.
    We define the UK’s carbon footprint as the CO2 emissions associated with its consumption, irrespective of where the emissions occur…
    https://www.carbonbrief.org/guest-post-the-uks-carbon-footprint-is-at-its-lowest-level-for-20-years

    none of this will end well. exit Paris now.

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      OriginalSteve

      Well…lets look at how it ended for the stupid XR protesters on the underground in London recently.

      Now…amplify that greatly as coal industry shuts down, the economy starts to die and Venezuela-like life beckons.

      I think you will see a whole generation leaving
      for more financially viable places. You will have true climate refugees….refugees from climate policy. In effect the govt will be driving our kids out of the country. I mean why stick around as Australia collapses in on itself and by comparison, makes North Korea look prosperous?

      I think the govt is anticipating how australians are going to react. Note how the police are basically paramilitary forces…now you know why.
      Its possible thevwhole nine-eleven thing has been exploited to set up for a whole new scenario.

      The NWO sickos test on a small scale first. Australians also have a strong streak of mongrel through them. As the British worked out, rounding up the women and children of “trouble makers” and putting them in concntration camps meant it stopped any guerilla attacks by the “trouble maker” men. Now ponder why do many schools have black spiked top 6′ fences in most towns across Australia.

      So…the NWO weenues havent gone to this much trouble not to close the circle. It will get very ugly I think, and logic says to be mentally and spiritually prepared for it…..

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        WXcycles

        Unfortunately you think much too highly of Queensland’s voters. North QLD perhaps but not SE QLD, where most of the watermelons live. QLD would happily vote in Truedough, in a landslide. It’s the dumbest bunch of sheep in the whole country (and that’s really a big claim, I know).

        How do you think Jackie Tran survives to this day? There are ~3 million like-minded clowns just like her and the pluckachook in SE QLD. They will vote in Labor again no matter how economically self-harming it is because they are not bright enough to realize, or not honest enough, or too ignorant but self-satisfied to grasp what the nature of the problem is. Nor do they exhibit the spine or will to do anything sensible about it.

        The truth is the Queensland working population was sold off as tax-slaves to Bankers, by Anna Blight, a decade ago after Peter Beatty began the process. Why do you think Anna Blight is the CEO of the Australian Banking Association since 2017?

        Just have a look at the monumental QLD deficits and debt expansion under Blight’s financial rein as QLD Premier and the answer to that jumps right out at you.

        She’s there to hide or else justify what she did, to vandalize and destroy Queensland’s future, it was entirely premeditated, a deliberate act of a fifth-columnist to destroy QLD’s future finances and its economy from there.

        The CEO of the Australian Banking Association gig was Blight’s 30-pieces-of-silver delivered into her sly little treacherous mit.

        Pluckachook and Jacki Trad are just a continuity of the Blight-Labor era agenda to destroy Queensland’s wealth and induce economic collapse and financial ruin, while they simultaneously raised every tax, surcharge, stamp-duty, fine and impost which they possibly could on QLD, to make sure said bankers get very rich on the interest payments on unrepayable debts.

        While QLD goes to ruin – milk that cow Anna!

        And the average SE QLD bogan-watermelon will keep taking this and voting Labor, because they really are too dull and naive to ever catch-on to what occurred. These idiots really will vote for closing the coal mines and coal electricity as well.

        Of these things I have zero doubt remaining

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          theRealUniverse

          Australian Banking Association .. connected to Soros perchance? Lets destroy a state first, esp one with LARGE amounts of coal and other resources..then we’ll work on the rest of them..

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            theRealUniverse

            Also across the Tasman the pigs are attacking the viable NZ agriculture sector with a criminal ETS.
            Downunder will be ‘downunder the waves’ if this keeps going on.

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            PeterS

            Oh well look on the bright side. Once our economy has crashed Australians can line up the usual suspects and do something about it for once.

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    Geoffrey Williams

    That Paul Barry and ABC Media Watch couldn’t tell the truth if you payed them. Actually we are paying the barstards. Just plain liers. Actually I can’t bear to watch or listen to ABC.
    It’s a great shame in a country like ours that we are openly lied to by our media.
    GeoffW

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      OriginalSteve

      While the Left fluffs about trying to pin the tail on the cosmic CAGW donkey, real people are really hurting…..

      https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-24/power-bill-pressure-on-western-australian-electricity-users/11632256

      “Alison Coats was juggling a new full-time job at an inner-city law firm and raising three young boys when her power was cut off.

      “”Pretty much over the space of a weekend my life changed, imploded,” she said.
      A complex marriage breakdown later left her unable to work or pay the bills, which were all in her name.

      “”I was left with pretty much nothing, with electricity being cut off, phone at home being cut off, my mobile was connected to the home phone, that was disconnected,” Ms Coats said.

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        Geoffrey Williams

        Being without power in the home is soul destroying, like being without your car for personal transport when you need it. In a rich country like ours nobody should have to be without these basic needs. The same people in government who give away our nations money to foreign causes are responsible for our high energy prices. Our problems are caused by government’s failure to ensure that the welfare of the people of this country come first.
        GeoffW

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          PeterS

          Our problems are not big enough yet. If they were the voters wouldn’t be ping-ponging between ALP+Greens and LNP. It will get very “interesting” when people start waking up when the problems do become overwhelming. Then politicians will be faced with some hard truths that can’t be brushed aside any longer. Politicians who then continue to brush the important issues aside will find themselves brushed aside in no uncertain terms by the people.

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        theRealUniverse

        “… when her power was cut off…” but the left solution, she should have got sooolllaaarrrr.
        They cant understand the damage their stupid windbines (un reliables) have caused.

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      el gordo

      ‘The 2018−19 summer was the hottest on record for Australia by a margin of 0.86 °C, and was also the hottest for New South Wales, Victoria, Western Australia and the Northern Territory…’

      Objection sir, UHI?

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      theRealUniverse

      Any report that has ANY form of temperature increase is FAKE. And meaningless. bom.gov.au <<- totally untrustworthy.

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      theRealUniverse

      Maybe they should read THIS
      https://www.iceagenow.info/earth-has-been-warmer-than-today-for-hundreds-of-millions-of-years/#more-29767

      “Here is Gregory Fegel’s comment:

      The graph accompanying the article shows the Earth’s global mean temperature in Fahrenheit, from 625 million years ago to the present.

      The global mean temperature (GMT) is currently about 58°F. The natural global warming period called the Eocene Optimum peaked at about 49 million years ago. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) states that during the Early Eocene the GMT was about 9 to 14°C (16 to 25°F) higher than today. So the GMT during the Early Eocene was about 74 to 83°F.

      During the Eocene Optimum, little to no ice was present on the Earth. Forests covered most of the Earth, including palm trees growing in Alaska. The warmer temperatures facilitated the intercontinental migration of animals.

      The Eocene was a boom time for plants and animals, and it would have been a boom time for humans, had they existed then. Yet the climate alarmists claim that a rise of the GMT of 2 or 3°C will cause a catastrophic mass extinction for life on Earth.”

      Totally shows the absurdity of the temperature scam. Fitzy agree?

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      Bill in Oz

      Which particular BOM factoid were you referring to in that 71 page document ?

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        Peter Fitzroy

        Bill
        figure 22 – open the document, press CTRL-F Type in Figure 22, that is the fastest way

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          Bill in Oz

          That’s a different chart Fitz.
          Not the one we are discussing in this post.
          In fact the data is different !
          And by the way
          Your one Figure 22,
          Includes ‘high rise data’ for 2020-21
          Which is has not happened
          It’s still 2019 !
          WTF ?

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            Peter Fitzroy

            Bill, you are looking at the decade markers on the x-axis, we have not completed the decade 2011-2021. What is different is that it only plots those exceptional years, if you moved the baseline up in the original you would see the same.

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              Bill in Oz

              Confusing nonesense.
              BOM has included as the hottest Summer ever
              The Summer of 2020-2021
              BOM is indulging
              In fururology !
              No better than Astrology
              From the BOM !

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                Peter Fitzroy

                Sorry Bill, I can not explain the x-axis scale in a way that you can understand. I do not see anything for 20-21, but if you do, good luck to you.

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                Bill in Oz

                Balls Fitz !
                Here is the BOM’s statement for Figure 22
                “Figure 22: Number of days each summer in which the Australian area-averaged mean temperature exceeds the 99th percentile for the month.

                And the chart then proceeds to show us that in 2020- 2021
                There ‘were’ ~ 28 such days..
                BOM is manufacturing nonsense !
                It cannot even distinguish between
                Past & Future !

                Go look yourself !
                It’s you who to me to go check it out !

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                Peter Fitzroy

                Bill – “There have been 28 days to date in the 2018−19 summer with Australian area-averaged mean temperature above the 99th percentile for a month (Figure22), far in excess of the previous record of 11 such days for a whole summer. ”
                That is the exact quote with my bold

                The is no reference to your imaginary 2020-2021

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                Kalm Keith

                As PF says, again without doing research, that 2018 and 2019 both have 28 days, he did it with highlighting.

                This is so far true, but what about next year. If the BOM refuses to accept that 2020 has 29 days then any data homogenised by them will be inaccurate to the tune of 1/29 th which is roughly 3.1%.

                This carelessness illustrates the problem and it does crop up regularly, every fourth year.

                KK

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                Peter Fitzroy

                The years are getting longer though KK, up from 11 a few years prior

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              theRealUniverse

              Admit it PF you lost. Correlation of past climates IS relevant to present as they were influenced by the same factor, namely the SUN.
              So they do represent possible future climate.

              Remember PF we are on the same PLANET arent we?

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            2020-21 is the next tick on the graph, it does not contain any data. It is poor data presentation though – this is not a trend or predictive graph so you should not extend a graph to include data that is not collected

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      robert rosicka

      That graph is either not the same or they’ve outdone themselves with creative accounting .

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        Peter Fitzroy

        Robert, it is the same graph it uses a different baseline, and adds a few years on the other one, otherwise it is the same. But instead of my poor explanations, The article has all the details.

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          AndyG55

          It is a BOM graph

          NOT CREDIBLE

          Too many really bad sites,

          Too many changes and too much missing data.

          Too much data manipulation to make trends.

          BOM lost CREDIBILITY ages ago.

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          Greg Cavanagh

          It’s not the same graph. The two graphs are representing completely different datasets.

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          Slithers

          Consider this PF.
          There were say 7 days above the 99% say 100.5 degrees in BOMMER’s selected month.

          But there were 14 days that were above the 98.5% say 100 degrees in the selected BOMMER’s month.

          The graphs when drawn of the two data sets calculated using this trivial change over many months would bare no resemblance to each other!

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      Travis T. Jones

      It’s Raferty’s Rules when it comes to defining heat waves …

      The World Meteorological Organization, defines a heat wave as 5 or more consecutive days of prolonged heat in which the daily maximum temperature is higher than the average maximum temperature by 5 °C (9 °F) or more.
      However, some nations have come up with their own criteria to define a heat wave.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_wave

      The Australian Bureau of Meteorology defines a heat wave as “three days (3) or more of maximum and minimum temperatures that are unusual for the location”. … Heatwave conditions are defined by the maximum daytime temperature and minimum nighttime temperature rising above the threshold for a particular region.

      http://www.bom.gov.au/australia/heatwave/about.shtml

      >> If you had an agenda (like doomsday global warming) it is rife for exploitation.

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        WXcycles

        Same ethically bankrupt approach as BOM used to turn ordinary Tropical-Storms into BOM-defined “Category-1″ cyclones. BOM achieved the desired dishonesty level via simply eliminating the “Tropical Storm” category altogether. Everywhere else on Earth gets Tropical-Storms but not Australia. Presto! Anything looking a bit swirly near Australia’s tropics gets called a “Cyclone”, by the Bureau of Orwellian bullcrVp.

        Wee-don-need-no-stankin-tropical-storms!

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          Shooting themselves in the foot then since the prediction is for fewer but more intense cyclones. The effect of what you are claiming is to make more and on average weaker cyclones.

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            WXcycles

            Haven’t you been paying attention to what they do every time there’s a synoptic scale low-pressure tropical swirl in Summer?

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            WXcycles

            since the prediction is for fewer but more intense cyclones.

            BTW, the BOM made a revised ‘prediction’ [cough]bullshit![/cough] only after first making a prediction that there would be generally more cyclones in future due to warming.

            BZZZT!

            Records revealed the opposite to be true, that there were fewer cyclones occurring during warming than during the period 1960 to approx mid-1980s. And there was no lack of high intensity in the past, either.

            Same sort of thing happened with the BOM going all-in with flim-flam, in supporting the hysterical and unprofessional claims that Australia’s damns would never fill again! Then the wettest Summers in Australia’s history (2010-2011) occurred soon after that.

            Then they again changed their ‘prediction’ for Australian rainfall in an alleged warming world. Yeah, except 2010-2011 was in the middle of the T ‘Hiatus’.

            The Bureau of constant Orwellian bullsh|t can’t get a single thing right, and Weather is their profession! But now they want the pretend to know about ‘climate-change’ as well?

            Con-merchants.

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        Slithers

        This is scientific gobbledygook manufactured to confuse and distort. If there are any scientists left working at the BOM they should be ashamed.

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      Lance

      Peter, why do you pretend that any of your arguments have meaning?

      It doesn’t matter if the earth is cooling or warming when none of the offered “solutions” have any hope of meeting any of the needs that currently exist.

      You endlessly argue about things that make no difference in the outcome. You argue Process, not Results.

      I’m genuinely curious why you tilt at windmills ( no pun intended ), whilst ignoring the reality of grid scale power.

      It would seem your self esteem and ideology take precedence over reality. Correct me if I’m wrong.

      Have a go at explaining your actual position, instead of isolating discussions into irrelevant minor points.

      That might be illuminating.

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        Peter Fitzroy

        Simple Lance – I support a world where the true cost of production takes precedence. For example, I would prefer to know that the production and supply chains that produce the clothing I wear is both ethical, and sustainable. I do not support subsidies of any kind. For example, I you dump your waste products into the environment thereby degrading it, that is a subsidy that I am paying. I would prefer to see a society that does not rely on exploitation, be it in the extraction of value from commonly held assets without proper recompense, the extraction of value from workers by systematically underpaying them, or the extraction of value from consumers via price fixing, gouging etc. Finally I would like to see a system where work is managed in a ethical system whereby quality is rewarded, instead of the increasingly transactional system we have at present.

        And you?

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          WXcycles

          Sophomoric drivel.

          Trade is a transaction. So is selling a service.

          The ‘alternative’ to paying for stuff is called theft.

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            Peter Fitzroy

            Fine – the you can pay me for the damage being done to the environment.
            Are you saying that buying a $10 t-shirt does not involve theft at some part of the production or supply chain? Are you happy for a restaurant worker being underpaid (theft) to provide a meal for you.

            I was not suggesting that we do not pay for stuff, only that the price does not involve the things I mentioned.

            Can you say that trade is a transaction where the small business like say the local corner shop is unable to compete. As the dairy producers about the trade as a transaction. Can you justify the transaction involved in selling oxycontin to unwitting and now dependant customers?

            what a stupid statement

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              AndyG55

              “the you can pay me for the damage being done to the environment.”

              You mean all the EXTREME POLLUTION from wind turbine manufacturing

              And all the TOXINS in solar panels

              All the environment and avian degradation from the installation of both.

              But you can’t mean the CO2 release that actually provides for all life on Earth

              Sure there are tiny stockpiles of ash, but this a by=product that can be used in all sorts or areas. It is all around you in the building materials that build the modern environment.

              “Are you saying that buying a $10 t-shirt does not involve theft at some part of the production or supply chain”

              What sort of moronic unsubstantiated garbage comment is that.????

              Seriously PF, you live in some sort of fantasy la-la land !!!

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              WXcycles

              I thought you didn’t believe in subsidies?

              No, I’m not subsidizing your trolling habit.

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              theRealUniverse

              ‘damage being done to the environment.’ This is another thing. The eco loons love the term environmental damage. You know poor old mother earth has fixed all the damage that it has done to itself and from extraterrestrials quite well over the last 1000000000 years, without lefty loons going on protests.
              To elaborate there isnt much actual damage, yes local temporary damage. What about the ‘damage’ caused in the latest blow in Japan? Of course that was caused by nasty industrial CO2..

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                Peter Fitzroy

                Or the damage caused by nuclear accidents, or the damage caused by toxic spills – What you are saying is this -”it alright for me and generations after me to destroy the joint, because in a million years it will be all made good. If caring for a well provisioned ecosystem, and a fair method of rewarding labour is being a lefty – what does that make you?

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                AndyG55

                “If caring for a well provisioned ecosystem,”

                Then WHY the CO2 hatred, PF. !!

                Take yet another faceplant, and at least try to think about the perpetual stream of juvenile mentally-distorted garbage that you keep typing !!

                No-one is destroying the joint except the far-left anti-CO2 agenda and their push for UNRELIABLE junk electricity.

                The people pushing this agenda are the real destructors.

                They are destroying the environment.

                They are destroying economies.

                They are destroying manufacturing.

                They are destroying progress.

                They are destroying prosperity.

                They are DESTROYING SOCIETY with their leftist/socialist agendas.

                That is what is really “destroying the joint”

                That is the AIM of the whole agenda, as stated loud and clear by its leaders.

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              robert rosicka

              Fitz has lost his Marble , what a socialist rant if I’ve ever heard one .
              What would you know about hippie heroin (oxy contin) =zero
              What would you know of running a restaurant = same
              You only know what your masters tell you that’s it , your an embarrassment to trolls .

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                Peter Fitzroy

                give e a break
                2 seconds on google for australia, will prove my points
                on the other hand where yours?

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          AndyG55

          Another load of self-opinionated waffle from PF

          “I do not support subsidies of any kind.”

          Except for wind and solar “unreliables”, right, PF !!

          “in a ethical system”

          You are never one to judge that aspect, PF

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          sophocles

          so, Peter, you are saying you support Land Value Tax (instead of Income Tax, GST and all other forms of taxation) and the public ownership and control of monopolies…
          Good.

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    Tides of Mudgee

    This is from an article by Miranda Divine on January 15, 2013. The temps have been converted to celsius

    CLIMATE alarmists have waited a while for a good heatwave to press their case that human activities are causing unprecedented catastrophic global warming. This summer the weather delivered.
    Right on cue, after a record string of hot days across Australia, the ABC, The Guardian (UK) , the Climate Commission, the CSIRO and the UN’s IPCC (coincidentally meeting in bushfire-racked Tasmania) all trotted out scary climate statements.
    The Bureau of Meteorology even added an extra colour to its heat scale, even though previous charts have included temperatures over 50C, and there have been hotter days in the past.
    Yes there have. There really, really have.
    Take the 50.7C at Oodnadatta Airport in South Australia on January 2, 1960, or the 50.3C the next day. Hot stuff.
    Australia has always had extreme heat, droughts, bushfire and flooding rains. To prove it, let’s go to a contemporaneous source.
    Sir John Henniker Heaton kindly recorded it all for us in 1879 in the Australian Dictionary Of Dates, which a reader has provided.
    It is an invaluable primary resource, as you will see. (I have translated temperatures from fahrenheit to celsius).
    December 27, 1790: “Great heat in Sydney, 39C in the shade. Settlement visited by myriads of flying foxes, birds dropped dead from the trees.”
    February 10 and 11, 1791: “On which days the temperature at Sydney stood in the shade at 41C, the heat was so excessive at Parramatta, made worse by the bushfires, that immense numbers of the large fox-bats were seen to drop from the trees into the water, and many dropped dead on the wing.”
    Heaton quotes from The Sydney Gazette of November 29, 1826: “The heat and hot wind of Saturday last excelled all that we ever experienced in the colony. On board the Volage man-of-war (a naval vessel), in the shade, the thermometer was 41C, and on the shore it was, in some parts of the town, 38C, and in others 40C.
    “To traverse the streets was truly dreadful, the dust rose in thick columns, and the northwest wind, from which quarter our hot winds invariably proceed, was assisted in its heat by the surrounding country being all on fire, so that those who were compelled to travel felt themselves encircled with lambent flames. Sydney was more like the mouth of Vesuvius than anything else.”
    Again from The Sydney Gazette, February 21, 1832: “Saturday was one of the hottest days ever remembered. The recent rains having saturated the earth, the atmosphere was impregnated by an aqueous vapour not unlike steam issuing from a boiler, while the sun poured down all the fury of his heat. It was dreadful.
    “Man and beast groaned beneath the oppression, and numbers of working oxen dropped down dead on the public roads.”

    The bullocks were even worse off on Saturday, March 18, 1832, which The Sydney Gazette reported was “insufferably warm. At 1pm, the thermometer was 54C in the sun. The cattle suffered much. Working bullocks dropped dead.”
    Of course it was much hotter in Central Australia.
    Heaton records explorer Captain Charles Sturt’s account of November 11, 1845: “The wind, which had been blowing all the morning hot from the NE, increased to a gale, and I shall never forget its withering effects.
    “I sought shelter behind a large gum tree, but the blasts of heat were so terrific that I wondered the very grass did not take fire. Everything both animate and inanimate gave way before it.
    “The horses stood with their backs to the wind and their noses to the ground, the birds were mute, and the leaves of the trees fell like a shower around us.
    “At noon I took out my thermometer, graduated to 53C, and put it in the fork of a tree, and an hour afterwards when I went to examine it; the tube was full of mercury and the bulb burst.”
    On January 11, 1878, Heaton reported that, on the Lower Macquarie River, at 2.30pm, a thermometer registered 47C in the shade. At 5.30pm it was still 43C.
    He records the fate of one Lieutenant Lowe, in January, 1840: “at the floods on the Namoi, [he] was perched on the trunk of an uprooted tree ; the rains had ceased, the thermometer was at 38C, a glaring sun and a coppery sky were above him; he looked in vain for help; but no prospect of escape animated him, and the hot sun began its dreadful work.
    “His skins blistered, dried, became parched and hard like the bark of a tree and life began to ebb…
    “He was literally scorched to death.”
    There were “disastrous bushfires throughout the south and west of NSW in January, 1870, fires burning on each side of the line on the southern railway, the railway porters and others beating it out with bushes, and waiting at the stations with water for the passengers to drink, and a truck on the Goulburn train catching fire near Liverpool on January 18”.
    He records years of drought (interspersed with floods), including the three-year drought from 1825-27: “One of the most severe droughts ever known in NSW, with great scarcity of water in Sydney and suburbs, only two months’ supply being left in the Botany dams, and water being sold at a very high rate in Parramatta.”
    In January and February 1791, wrote Heaton, there were “several weeks of excessive heat, hot winds, birds dropped dead from trees and everything burnt up, stream of water supplying Sydney nearly dried up”.
    And so on.
    Australians were religious about their climate in the past as well.
    Heaton wrote they prayed for rain on November 2, 1858, and “for breaking up of drought” on November 2, 1876, and on March 1, 1878, with a fast day and “day of humiliation”.
    Australia has never had a mild and easy climate.
    Whatever is the extent of global warming and any human contribution to climate change, exaggerating the 2013 heatwave is just another green lie which will blow up in all our faces.
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    NSW hit a high of 48.3 degrees on Saturday at Bourke, according to the Bureau of Meteorology, and Sydney hit 42.3 degrees last Tuesday.
    But we haven’t come close to the highest state temperature on record, (BoM records have been kept since 1910) which was 49.7 degrees in Menindee on January 10, 1939.
    Or even to the 48.9 recorded at Brewarrina on December 9, 1912.
    And in the 19th Century, long before BoM took notice, there were hot days recorded in Sydney, and elsewhere, by Sir John Henniker Heaton in his 1879 Australian Dictionary of Dates. Here is a sample which should throw cold water on climate alarm enthusiasts trying to seize the latest temperatures for propaganda purposes.
    1826, November 29, in Sydney: 40C in the shade
    1832, March 18 in Sydney: 54C in the sun
    1833, February, in Bathurst: 41C (sun)
    1835, January 31, in Sydney: 43C (shade)
    1837, February 23 in Sydney: 56C (sun)
    1839, January 29, in Yass: 49C (sun)
    1845, January 21, Central Australia: 55C (shade)
    1845, November 1, Central Australia: 53C (shade)
    1848, January 1 on the Paterson (Hunter Valley): 53C (sun)
    1848, January 3 on the Paterson: 43C (shade) (At 10.30 p m. it was still 33C)
    1863, January 5, in Sydney: 42 (shade)
    1866, January 8, in Lochinvar (Hunter Valley): 42 (shade)
    1867, January 2, in Lochinvar: 42 (shade)
    1867, November 16 ,in Lochinvar: 40 (shade)
    1867, December 25 in Lochinvar: 41 (shade)
    1870, January 3, at Sydney: 41 (shade) 1871, December 22 at Sydney: 40 (shade)
    1878, November 21 at Sydney: 55C (sun): “Glass burst, and the temperature must have been over 55C to do this.”

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      James

      Amazing stuff!!

      I had the misfortune to watch some ABC (in Qld) on a couple of mornings recently. The weather presenter talked about how terribly HOT it was going to be in Darwin …. 35C. Pffftt.

      But the really telling point was when the graphic display map had a title of “Fire Danger” and showed parts of northern Australia in “extreme”, the presenter actually used the term “extreme heat”, not extreme fire danger. I kid you not, this happened twice.

      Instructions to ABC staff – “Dont mind the graphic, just stick to the language style guide”.

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      robert rosicka

      Tides of Mudgee what you have there must be destroyed for the good of the collective ! And the subsidy harvesters .

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      Maptram

      One of the BOM weather stations I look at is Deniliquin NSW because the BOM has records from the Information centre site continuous from 1867 to 2002 and from the Airport about 4km away from June 1997 to now. There is overlap so records from both can be compared. According to the BOM records the hottest day was 49.6°C on 12 Jan 1878. The hottest day recorded at airport was 47.2 on 25 Jan 2019. The BOM can erase the early records to make 25 Jan 2019 the hottest day if they want but I have downloaded the records

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      R.B.

      On January 20 1939, Mildura (slightly south of Menindee, had a maximum of 47.2, a third of a degree warmer than its highest recorded at the new site of 46.9. What’s interesting is that the heat didn’t let up. It was 9 days of 43+ around it. The next month had 9 days of 40+.

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    theRealUniverse

    Also 1950s was a very large solar cycle peak Cycle 19.

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        Greg in NZ

        … and digital photographers hadn’t yet discovered uncovered high altitude red sprites.

        “Oklahoma is a good place to see sprites–exotic forms of lightning that leap up from thunderstorms instead of down. On Oct. 21st, Paul Smith of Edmund, OK, photographed a giant batch”: Sprite storm over Fall cold front in southern USA. The 2nd photo is epic.

        https://spaceweathergallery.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=156983

        Day #20 of no sunspots. Funny how jet streams have been going wonky the past 3 weeks: gee, wonder what it could be…

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          el gordo

          There is something weird happening, this from wuwt.

          ‘The hole in the ozone layer shrank to its smallest size since scientists began recording it, NASA and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration said Monday.

          ‘The ozone layer hole, which roughly sits above Antarctica, experienced massive retraction in September and October due to “abnormal” weather patters in the upper atmosphere, resulting in its smallest size since scientists began observing it in 1982, NASA and NOAA scientists announced.’

          There appears to be a teleconnection, h/t Ian Wilson, between Sudden Stratospheric Warming and the QBO, which maybe regulated by solar forcing.

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            theRealUniverse

            ‘solar forcing’ I hate that term. it is meaningless. ‘forcing what’. Just say solar energy input from what ever source, IR UV proton flux …
            Nothing is ‘forced’ it is transfer of energy according to thermodynamics. Ive read many physics papers, never saw that term until it appeared in ‘climate science nonscience’

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              el gordo

              ‘For solar irradiance (i.e. “solar forcing”), the radiative forcing is simply the change in the average amount of solar energy absorbed per square meter of the Earth’s area.’ wiki

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                OriginalSteve

                I noticed in the media perhaps 2 years ago , there was a science component in the warmist argument, now however its gone the full hysteria and very little science along with XR disposble protestors….

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              Kalm Keith

              TRU,

              Well said,
              can I join you in hating that term “forcing”.

              The only thing it achieves is to illustrate and confirm the lack of scientific training and discipline of the writer.

              KK

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              sophocles

              “Forcing” is a jargon word to misdirect. A “forcing” is an atmospheric energy path. In that way, it is like “Climate Change” which, as defined, excludes all natural change caused by normal forcings.

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                AndyG55

                Also includes all counter-forcings.

                IGNORES the whole way in which pressure/density/temperature gradients CONTROL the transfer of energy WITHIN the system.

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          theRealUniverse

          Brilliant photo! They dont really understand these things either.

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    Statistics. Aren’t they wonderful?

    It’s great that someone caught the Bureau with its hand in the jar (again). But let’s look at 1952′s scorcher…

    In the El Nino of 1951-2 large areas in northern Queensland and the NT had record low falls for the autumn to autumn 12 month period. So no cloud at afternoon peak, so lots of high maxima recorded. Cloncurry alone will give you 36 “very hot days” in the calendar year 1952.

    I appreciate that Cloncurry, if used, will only be part of a spread which gets averaged and that some of the high sustained temps (Marble Bar 1922, Oodnadatta 1960) were concentrated geographically. Still, it really is hard to find places that wilted in 1952, which was a walk in the park compared to 1878, 1896, 1908, 1939, 2009 etc. Even spots in the middle of this 1952 heat spike like Alice, Darwin etc were no big deal compared to years like 1887. So how was this “record” spread of very hot days compiled?

    But let’s just say the “record” is real and means something or other for a big slice of the continent. This is supposed to imply something about places thousands of kilometres away, because it’s all “Australia”? Gimme a break. And if WA secedes do “we” get hotter or cooler? Stay tuned for more Merry Melodies statistics. (That’s all folks.)

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      I can’t resist this…

      Did you know that Alaska and South Dakota have the lowest firearm sales in all the USA? It’s true! Tell all your friends who don’t like firearms!

      And did you know that Alaska and South Dakota have the second and third highest firearm sales per 1,000 inhabitants, in all the USA? Tell all your friends who like firearms!

      But…but…there are up to ten times the firearms per person in Wyoming compared to firearms-buyin’ South Dakota! (Sales do not = ownership, silly.)

      I have the statistics. I have the data. Would you deny the data? I didn’t think so.

      You are all putty in my hands. I shall knead you gently, if you are good.

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    pat

    ABC – what is the purpose of this lengthy piece, focussing almost entirely on this “rain salesman”? read it all:

    23 Oct: ABC: Rain salesman says his business is attracting investors, but experts say his claims don’t stack up
    ABC Wimmera By Danielle Grindlay
    Miles Research chief executive David Miles is building a following in the Victorian grain belt, where a group of farmers have paid for rainfall between May and October.
    The company is marketing three-month rain contracts to farming regions for $250,000.

    “A good John Deere tractor is worth $500,000 — for six month’s rain, it’s worth a John Deere tractor isn’t it?” Mr Miles said.
    “We’re offering rain into any region in Australia, that would engage with us on a success basis.”

    Mr Miles also said non-farmers had invested “several million dollars” via a separate company called Sovereignty, which enabled him to keep the technology concealed from shareholders.
    He does not have any scientific credentials, claiming the weather modification expertise is self-taught…

    In 2006 the Victorian Department of Primary Industries labelled Mr Miles’ company, then Aquiess, a “cruel hoax” that was “taking money from farmers already doing it tough”…READ ALL
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-23/wimmera-mans-company-sells-rain-to-farmers/11630028

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    pat

    for ABC, CAGW is their “Big Idea”…again.
    I’ve listened to a little and am not recommending it, but you have to admire the cheek of Paul Barclay saying ***”being more accepting towards people with different opinions” is good for you!

    if only ABC would change their behaviour and employ people with different opinions, or even have people on their programs with different opinions, without shouting them down, or interrupting them!

    from Barclay’s intro: why is changing your behaviour so difficult, even if you know it is good for you? many of the problems that we, as a society, face require a change in behaviour – consuming less fossil fuel, reducing waste, ***being more accepting towards people with different opinions?

    AUDIO: 54min07sec: 22 Oct: ABC Big Ideas: Paul Barclay: Why changing your behaviour for the better is so difficult?
    Climate change, the obesity crisis, plastic pollution in our oceans. Many crucial problems of our time require a change in behaviour – as individuals and as a society. But why is it so difficult to do that? Big Ideas looks at the challenges of behaviour change and how to do it.
    Hearts and minds: The science of behaviour change presented by the Royal Institution of Great Britain. July 17, 2019
    Speakers
    Susan Michie – Professor of Health Psychology and Director of the Centre for Behaviour Change at University College London
    Nick Chater- co-founder of the research consultancy Decision Technology; and member of the advisory board of the UK Cabinet Office’s Behavioural Insight Team (BIT)
    Toby Park – Leader of the energy and sustainability work at the Behavioural Insights Team (BIT)
    Chair: Stavroula Kousta – Chief Editor of Nature Human Behaviour
    https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/bigideas/why-changing-your-behaviour-for-the-better-is-so-difficult/11600188

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      WXcycles

      I’ve decided I’m OK with ABC being a one-eyed bunch of jackasses about climate-change and misrepresenting the weather, simply because the more they do it the more the public can see what they are up to, and will increasingly demand tax-payer public broadcasting be abolished. Every year more of the public rejects the ABC arrogance and spreading of lies.

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    pat

    23 Oct: Age: Chance of sunshine, rain, hail and snow
    By Sumeyya Ilanbey
    In true Melbourne style, we will be warm on Wednesday, hot on Thursday, and then layering on the clothes just in time for the weekend.
    And for good measure, we can expect some hail in Melbourne and snow on the alps in Victoria’s high country at the weekend…

    Bureau of Meteorology senior forecaster Christie Johnson said a front will be coming through on Friday morning, bringing with it a drop in temperatures before you get to work. Friday’s top temperature of 24 will be reached by about 8am.
    “And then the winds will go westerly and with the colder air coming in for most of the day, temperatures will be sitting around 18-20 degrees and there will be rainfall,” Ms Johnson said.
    “The cold front will come in late Friday and Saturday morning, and that’s why Saturday is colder again. There will be a chance of hail and snow on the alps – [it] just shows the fact the air is going to be quite cold and that we’re still in the fairly cold air on Monday.”…

    Although Thursday’s 32 degrees is significantly above the October average of 20 degrees, Ms Johnson said for the past few years Melbourne has experienced above-30 temperatures over this month…READ ON
    https://www.theage.com.au/environment/weather/chance-of-sunshine-rain-hail-and-snow-20191023-p533b3.html

    Border weather set to hit 32 degrees before plummeting to 17 on Saturday
    The Border Mail – 4 hours ago

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      Serp

      A little bit of extreme Melbourne spring weather — the BOM Extreme Weather Desk crew is doubtless monitoring it for signs of criticality.

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        Greg in NZ

        When there’s freezing cold snow on the way, I’ll listen to the TV weather girl (via radio simulcast) to hear what cccrap they’re pushing and sure enough: Sydney is gonna erupt into flames of damnation Friday (apparently) as a warm front cranks it up to “a scorchung thirdy-sux” degrees (mmm nice) yet not a squeak about the day after – freezing cold snow on the hills for VIC & NSW Saturday… and maybe even Sunday too:

        http://www.bom.gov.au/vic/forecasts/mountbawbaw.shtml

        Fisherfolk & farmers & surfers & snowboarders always keep an eye on the weather and can see what’s 2 or 3 days away, but not The Media: it’s all about the ‘heat’ and the burnies and the Greta Garbage – just don’t mention the freezing cold snow which is also snotting down in the Colorado Rockies as I type:

        http://www.keno.org/colorado_web_cams/arapahoe_basin_cams.htm

        And they call us DЀЍIEЯS.

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    Another Ian

    “”Normal” is a weatherologist term for the average of 10 years of extremes

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    pat

    23 Oct: Guardian: Australia heading for hottest October day in years as bushfire risk escalates
    Fire authorities warn residents to use advance notice of risk to prepare their survival plans
    by Graham Readfearn
    Eastern parts of Australia will experience their hottest October day in years on Thursday as forecasters warn temperatures could hit 16C above average in some areas as the risk of bushfires increases.
    The Bureau of Meteorology says southern parts of South Australia, west and central parts of New South Wales and much of Victoria and Tasmania will see temperatures peak well above average on Thursday.
    By Saturday, temperatures will drop, but this will see a rise in bushfire risk for parts of northern NSW and south-east Queensland…

    Diana Eadie, a meteorologist at the bureau, said: “This is a period of the year where we see extremes and can still get cooler days with exceptionally warm outbreaks.
    “But we have not had such a warm day for a number of years, and now we are also seeing elevated bushfire risk.”…READ ON
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/oct/23/australia-heading-for-hottest-day-in-years-on-thursday-as-bushfire-risk-escalates

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    pat

    21 Oct: TheHill: Trump declines to participate in Weather Channel 2020 climate change special
    By Rebecca Klar
    President Trump will not appear in a Weather Channel climate change special airing next month that features Democrats and Republicans looking to challenge the president in 2020.
    The Weather Channel announced the one-hour “2020: Race to Save the Planet” special Monday. It will air on Nov. 7.
    In addition to top Democratic candidates, the special will feature all three of Trump’s long-shot Republican challengers. The president, a climate change skeptic, is not in the lineup, although The Weather Channel said it extended an invitation to Trump.
    Trump declined to participate, according to The Associated Press…

    Although Trump won’t be participating, the special won’t ignore him or what his administration has been doing, Rick Knabb, the network’s on-air hurricane expert and former director of the National Hurricane Center, told the AP.
    Knabb conducted the candidate interviews along with meteorologist Stephanie Abrams and climate desk journalists Sarah Holder, Jamilah King, Rebecca Leber, Brentin Mock and Nikhil Swaminathan.

    The interviews were recorded in communities impacted by extreme weather that “have seen the effects of the changing climate firsthand,” according to the network.
    “Extreme weather events are increasing due to climate change, and they affect every American in many ways, from our safety to our finances. … We look forward to showing viewers how the presidential candidates aim to address this critical issue,” Knabb said in the announcement…
    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/466760-trump-declines-to-participate-in-weather-channel-2020-climate-change

    it says “APentertainment” at the end of the URL:

    21 Oct: AP Entertainment: Television’s Weather Channel wades into climate debate
    By DAVID BAUDER
    The campaign’s most prominent climate change skeptic — President Donald Trump — declined an invitation to participate…
    While the special is something new for the network, Zimmett said executives weren’t concerned about turning off weather fans who view it as a refuge from politics, or people like the president who see less urgency in addressing the issue. Despite a “vocal minority,” surveys show most viewers want to learn more about the issue and potential solutions, she said.

    Trump may not be there, but the special won’t ignore him or what his administration has been doing, Knabb said.
    Trump recently mocked Swedish climate activist Greta Thunberg on Twitter for a United Nations speech to world leaders and skipped a UN meeting on the issue…
    https://apnews.com/fbeb234bc405432a8d9480abbf0cac43?utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_medium=APEntertainment

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    pat

    behind paywall:

    22 Oct: UK Times: China feeds coal addiction with 17 new mines this year
    by Amy Hawkins
    China is expanding its coal power infrastructure despite pledges to curb carbon emissions.
    Analysis reveals that the amount allocated to large infrastructure projects by Beijing has doubled this year, with airports and high-speed rail lines among 21 schemes allocated a total of £83.9 billion.
    Included in the new allocations is funding for 17 new coal mines across China, despite Beijing’s pledges to reduce reliance on the power source.

    Seven mines were approved last year and, between 2017 and 2018, China added 194 million tonnes of coal mining capacity with the total number of mines reaching more than 3,000.
    China, the world’s biggest coal consumer, has vowed to cap carbon emissions by 2030, although it has stopped short of the “net zero” emissions target by 2050…

    Seven mines were approved last year and, between 2017 and 2018, China added 194 million tonnes of coal mining capacity with the total number of mines reaching more than 3,000…
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/china-feeds-coal-addiction-with-17-new-mines-this-year-cz995wj9t

    22 Oct: Reuters: China’s 2019 coal imports set to rise more than 10%: analysts
    by Muyu Xu in Beijing and Melanie Burton in Melbourne
    BEIJING/MELBOURNE: China, the world’s top coal buyer, is on track to boost imports of the fuel by more than 10% this year, traders and analysts said on Tuesday, countering earlier expectations that shipments would be capped by Beijing at the same level as 2018
    China’s coal imports have already surged 9.5% in the first nine months of 2019 to 250.57 million tonnes, customs data shows, and at least 18.84 million tonnes of seaborne coal are due to arrive this month, according to vessel-tracking and port data compiled by Refinitiv…

    The rise in imports comes even after Beijing has pledged to curb coal use to tackle persistent severe pollution in the world’s top energy market…

    “Government priority at this moment is to boost the economy … Relaxing coal imports curb would help maintain a moderate coal price and therefore cut electricity prices in order to reduce energy costs for Chinese enterprises,” said Liu Xiaomin, analyst at IHS Markit in Beijing…
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-coal-imports/chinas-2019-coal-imports-set-to-rise-more-than-10-analysts-idUSKBN1X10OM

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      theRealUniverse

      ‘China, the world’s top coal buyer, is on track to boost imports of the fuel by more than 10% this year’
      You cant make steel WITHOUT COAL. End of story, in fact you cant make a few things WITHOUT COAL. China knows this. Most heavy industry knows this. Its eco loons that dont know this and leftists polyidiots that sit on their a..sss. So close coal production and you close your industry.

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    See all those years in the graph which couldn’t give 40C much of a tickle?

    They weren’t “cooler” in any sense that matters. They were overcast. How you going to get lot of 40+ days when it’s a year like 1950 or like the mid-70s? 1916-17 painted the map blue. I could say La Nina, but 1938-9 was a La Nina…and that didn’t save us from our worst heat/drought combo. So I’ll just say there was bound to be lots of afternoon cloud when there was lots of rain about.

    Global nuthin’ got nuthin’ to do with it. Cloud distorts min/max to the point that they are useless numbers unless subjected to much cross-checking and sage interpretation. You can’t get 40C when your afternoons are overcast at potential max time…

    Gawd strewth.

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      Greg in NZ

      1952 hottest year ever / sort of / kind of / maybe?

      Pure coincidence I’m sure… on the 3rd of October 1952, His Majesty’s Crown Agents detonated their first colonial nuke above the Monte Bello islands off north-west Western Australia – just for the hell of it – and their 2nd one not long after that.

      Shame about the ‘sudden wind change’ which carried the fallout right across the continent to the east coast and on to us here in the South Pacific Ocean. Rule Britannia? Burn in hell, ####ers!

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        Kalm Keith

        And much as I used to accept John Howard as being better than the alternative, I find it hard to forgive his acceptance of the local French tests that said we and the Pacific were expendables, sort of like we belonged to the EEU and could be treated like that.

        AusAsserTit

        Remember Watt Tyler, We Here Never Ever Shall Be Slaves.

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    Ruairi

    There were very hot days in the past,
    Which expose what alarmists forecast,
    In Australia ’52,
    Despite low CO2,
    Its record has not been surpassed.

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    Geoff Sherrington

    It is easy to count the number of days above a nominated temperature each year at a site.
    Here are some results for Sydney and Melbourne, both ACORN-SAT and Climate Data Online, official BOM sets of data./

    ACORN-SAT here is version 1, because I did this before Version 2 was released.
    The last year or so needs to be added if you think it would change things.

    http://www.geoffstuff.com/century_days_sydmelb.jpgCheers Geoff S

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    Geoff Sherrington

    http://www.geoffstuff.com/century_days_sydmelb.jpg

    Seems my Cheers got mixed up with the URL!!

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    cedarhill

    I’m old enough to remember the heat waves of the early 1950′s. Furnace Creek, Death Valley, USA hit 137 degrees F.

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    Ian G

    The BOM has adjusted all average mean temps up by about 0.1C from 1995 – 2017.
    Check the annual climate summaries with the Timeseries data graph. That’s a 10% increase in temps so it’s worse than we think.

    BTW cedar, I believe the highest official world record temp was Death Valley in 1913.

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      cedarhill

      Wiki was my source as likely yours and their pages don’t agree (one says 137.1 another 134.1). One US record (1950′s) the other WMO record (1913). Regardless anything over 130 deg F is a bit hotter than today.
      I do remember, however, losing a bet about frying an egg on the hood of a car in 1953 in the Mojave.

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    Travis T. Jones

    O/T: Winning.

    Donald Trump promised in 2017 that the United States would withdraw from the Paris climate accord.
    The administration is about to formally kick off that year-long process.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/23/climate/trump-paris-climate-accord.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytclimate

    https://twitter.com/nytclimate/status/1187072863960010754

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    @cedarhill
    “I’m old enough to remember the heat waves of the early 1950′s. Furnace Creek, Death Valley, USA hit 137 degrees F.”

    1913 134 degrees F. but that is being contested, https://www.wunderground.com/blog/weatherhistorian/an-investigation-of-death-valleys-134f-world-temperature-record.html

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    Ah yes, memory holes. Changing the past, forcing people to vote at gunpoint and gauntlet ballots so complicated entire forests have to be toppled to print the damned things… why is it that these things always seem to go together in one bit “We’re all in it together” collectivist package?

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    Gordon

    So things were hotter back in the fifties? Then the world cooled down. Now it is warming up. So would that mean that the climate changes all the time and climate change is normal?

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    We wonder about the insistence on frivolous manipulation of climate numbers which would be trivial even without manipulation. (Do I need to say it again? Temps can only go two ways, so a bit up or a bit down means nothing. A lot down will mean something at Holocene’s decline…but why worry about the end of a vacation when there’s still a few days of vacation left?)

    Here’s one take on the “why” of climate alarmism. Look only at the scale of Glencore and the scale of its activities in the Congo (DRC). Don’t look at Glencore’s modest hq in Switzerland but at the size of the corporation and the size of its operation in just one country rich in copper and cobalt. (We’re not even touching the matter of lithium here.) And Glencore is just one player.

    Oil and coal will go on being traded because they are real necessities in any game, but coal will not be made available for the commonsense purpose of electrifying Australia. Instead, coal will play the role of Original Sin or Tempter in the Garden, as the perpetually pious (who bought compact diesels ten years ago) scoot about in their new tonnage of steel, plastic, cobalt and lithium.

    The world’s car fleet is going to be flipped, just like it was ten years ago, because growth has to keep happening and debt has to be parked somewhere. So of course we have to think of the planet and our children’s children and start buying EVs, ready or not. What are we waiting for?

    That’s just the global car fleet. Then there’s all the rest. Do we seriously think that a casus belli won’t be wanted by government, lobbyland and corporatocracy (if you can find a diff) for a new round of overproduction, waste and plunder. What they do for the lesser business of war they will certainly do for the really important stuff, the stuff that runs through and funds and survives war. What are a few fibs about temps and rain and “extreme” weather when trillions need to be printed and parked right now?

    Julia Gillard, Clinton Foundation darling and global commissioner for all kinds of goodness (but for some reason not available to practice law in this country), always spoke true when she said “Big Business is on board”. Glencore alone could eat a few universities and weather bureaus for brekky…and not even have to burp before lunch.

    Surely the socialists among us can see that this is not their precious “fairness”. Surely conservatives can see that this is not “free” and not “enterprise”.

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    Another Ian

    Another good question

    “How will Funding Climate Science Help Prevent Coral Bleaching?”

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/10/23/how-will-funding-climate-science-help-prevent-coral-bleaching/

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    Another Ian

    And answers

    “For Halloween: 10 days of Climate Scares -Debunked”

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/10/23/for-halloween-10-days-of-climate-scares-debunked/

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    Bob Fernley-Jones

    @ Peter Fitzroy #13

    Extracting two of your gems from that lengthy thread (my bold):

    “Figue 22
    http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/statements/scs68.pdf
    No one really looks any more

    Gosh – the post is about a missing graph, which is here as fig 22
    /did not read, does not understand”

    But:
    Figure 22 is an entirely different statistic based on the 99th percentile AREA-WEIGHTED national average which is very different to the subject graph of number of hottest days accumulated among the 104 individual stations employed.

    The issue is that the subject graph shows a flat trend with the embarrassingly high value in 1952 and it was deleted in March just before the election. Furthermore that the BoM has discontinued reporting that statistic, which unlike the 99th percentile AREA-WEIGHTED data is readily understandable by the media and politicians.

    While it is true that the data show extraordinarily high temperatures in January 2019 in central Oz, the AREA-WEIGHTED outcomes do not realistically reflect the impacts in the regions where most people live. It’s called weather BTW, not climate.

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      Peter Fitzroy

      Weather extremes start here. Which are the statistics you are looking for. http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/extreme/records.shtml

      FYI – the post is about climate – and in the case of the older graph – how it is not changing. But it does not include the last 4 years, which this does.

      Area weighted or spot, does that make a difference. Well no. For spot, using Sydney Observatory as an example, you would need all 4 million odd crammed onto the site for your comment to make sense. Area weighted on the other hand will give a sense of what the bulk of the people in that area would have experienced.

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        robert rosicka

        Climate is always changing but so too are historical recorded temperatures by BOM , if a graph of number of hot days doesn’t show what you want change the graph .

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        Andy

        Hi Peter,

        the webpage you linked to – Rainfall and Temperature Records (under ‘Climate Extremes’) – shows the records for the entire country, however I am unsure what it is you think it is meant to represent. The current topic is about the lack of trend in hot days, notably that it has been hotter. The information from the website you linked to is akin to shooting a target with buckshot (e.g.):

        Temp – High

        NSW – 1939

        VIC – 2009

        Temp Low

        QLD – 1961

        WA – 2008

        Rain HIGH (Daily)

        QLD – 1893

        SA – 1989

        Rain High (Monthly)

        VIC – 1964

        WA – 2011

        Rain High (Annual)

        SA – 1917

        TAS – 2016

        Just to cherry-pick the two closest dates 2008 & 2009 (I mean we can make the data do whatever we want it to do) the coldest and hottest years in Australia, over the current record held by the BOM, are c o n s e c u t i v e years.

        Thanks for the link.

        Andy

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          Andy

          Hi, yes I know, I may have (badly) misrepresented the data, but can I get a Participation Certificate anyway?

          Andy

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            AndyG55

            “but can I get a Participation Certificate anyway?”

            Sorry Andy, this is not an SJW blog !!!

            There are no “safe zones” either ;-)

            btw.. welcome to another well-named realist. :-)

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        Greg Cavanagh

        I think we’ll have to agree to disagree between spot temperatures and area temperatures.

        Have a look again at the Windy map.
        https://www.windy.com/-Temperature-temp?temp,-27.742,142.207,5,i:pressure

        There are sharp edges to the temperature gradient, and there are cool spots along the Great Dividing Range. If you go and area average temperatures then you need to be able to account for terrain, water bodies, prevailing winds, and local regional phenomena to get a reasonably accurate representation of reality.

        They don’t do that. It’s just a large scale triangulation. It is junk.

        At least with a point temperature, it’s easily comparable to itself over time. A trend can be discerned, numbers can be counted. But this is only at “that” point, and it only represents the immediate surroundings.

        Trying to shoehorn the whole world into a single average temperature for a year is just stupid.

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        AndyG55

        “using Sydney Observatory as an example”

        Just a stones throw from one of the busiest road bridges in the county.

        Yet, great place to measure climate changes.. NOT.

        Then include the strong El Nino effect of the last 4 years

        and you get URBAN WEATHER, not climate

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        AndyG55

        “using Sydney Observatory as an example”

        Those who live in or near Sydney, know there has been no EXTREME WEATHER in those last 4 years. Normal summers, with occasional nice warm days.

        The only places where there has been so-called extreme warmth is in the middle of Australia, measured by just a few badly place thermometers.

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        Lance

        You failed to answer the question.

        Why do you pretend that irrelevant things are somehow relevant.

        Yours to explain.

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        Bob Fernley-Jones

        Peter Fitzroy,

        The subject graph in this post shows ‘twenty-one very hot days’ in 1952 whereas your cited figure 22 shows only ‘one extremely hot day’ in 1952.

        You have repeatedly claimed that these two figures are the same (apart from end-date) but clearly they are very different.

        I can’t be bothered with the rest of your waffle

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        Slithers

        PF you continue to amaze. Cherry pick any ‘Hottest’ place and homogenize it to represent a continental ‘whatever you want to call it’, it is NOT meaning full!

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    Karabar

    Don’t miss the petition to extricate Australia from the Pris Excrement.
    Surely all of Jo’s subscribers could agree with that.

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    Andy

    G’day,

    I have cause to wonder if the ‘standard’ way discussing the existential crisis currently being ‘sold’ to the average punter is the ‘global temperature anomaly’ (currently measured in poofteenths or bees-dicks; Aussie measurements) then the drought b_s can be shutdown very quickly by using the ‘global rainfall anomaly’ data. I mean to say, if droughts are a measure of the impacts of global warming, droughts should be omnipresent. The claptrap about droughts being ‘worse’ is a scientific furphy; you must have known a) there was going to be a drought in the first place & b) how bad it was going to be – QED.

    Disclaimer: I may be out of my depth but as a resident of the driest state on the driest (populated) continent on the planet and having lived longer than the 30 year weather/climate measurement standard it would seem to me that the money budgeted for the ABC and the BOM may be better spent.

    Cheers,

    Andy

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      PeterS

      Yes to anyone with the intelligence above that of a typical rodent it is clearly understood we are not experiencing a global temperature anomaly. The situation is made much worse by our politicians who follow that mantra, such as our PM. Otherwise, why aren’t we leaving the Paris Agreement, which clearly has only one purpose; to replace all our coal fired power stations with renewables in the name of removing a supposed global temperature anomaly that doesn’t exist? STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES.

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    Sceptical Sam

    Top piece of reporting and analysis, Jo.

    Thank you very much.

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    theRealUniverse

    More ‘fart’ tax?
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/116822215/farmers-get-time-ardern-gets-support-for-elegant-climate-solution

    ‘ardern-gets-support’ dangerous people..
    “And yet Ardern is keeping that big stick in the cupboard. In fact she is passing a law that says agriculture will enter the ETS by 2025. ”
    Hopefully they will get he BOOT before 2025!!
    Dangerous. Get rid of that useless labor party before it totally ruins the NZ economy if it hasnt already.
    Greg may answer, wheres the Nats/NZ first etc on this crap?

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      theRealUniverse

      Stuff is so pro climate its sickening.

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        PeterS

        So much so it’s now a better option for NZ to follow Australia’s lead and sell as much as possible to China. An even better option for both nations is to become the next two states of the US. Of course that’s highly unlikely but I rather do that than allow China to take us over by stealth.

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          Greg in NZ

          NZ to follow Australia’s lead…? Cough!

          The present mayor of Auckland, Phil Fa’a Goff, signed the NZ/China Free Trade Agreement (as Minister of Trade for Helengrad’s Labour/Red govt) in the Great Hall of the People in Beijing in 2008. This is the same Phil Fa’a Goff now overseeing the aftermath of –

          https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018719214/skycity-fire-where-will-8-million-litres-of-water-go

          “Some of the immediate test results are expected tonight and tomorrow morning, but meanwhile to contain the health and safety issue, Mr Vagar said the untreated water has for the past couple of days been going into the city’s stormwater network and discharged into the Viaduct basin [the harbour, the sea, the Pacific Ocean]… There’s also a safeswim hazard alert on the Viaduct area to warn people that the water is potentially contaminated, he said”.

          Welcome to our brave new world where ‘safeswim’ means ‘contamination’. Moving forward comrades! Brighter future! Just around the corner…

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    pat

    can’t recall this being posted:

    22 Oct: BrisbaneTimes: Melbourne to swelter under new climate projections
    By Benjamin Preiss
    Melbourne’s maximum daily temperatures are expected to rise as much as 1.6 degrees by 2030, and could increase up to 2.7 degrees just two decades later if global emissions remain high.
    New CSIRO climate change projections show Melbourne could feel more like north-eastern Victoria, where sustained heat is common, by the 2050s under a worst-case scenario.

    Melbourne in recent years has endured just over eight days a year on average above 35 degrees. By 2050, that could rise to between 13 and 21 days of extreme heat.
    To get a sense of the possible climate changes for Victoria’s capital, the CSIRO suggests Melburnians take a look north to Wangaratta.
    Bureau of Meteorology data shows the average maximum temperature in Melbourne was about 19.9 degrees over 160 years to 2015, compared to 22.2 degrees for Wangaratta. However, the CSIRO used more recent data to draw the comparison between the two cities.

    The new CSIRO projections, commissioned by the Victorian government, are based on the likely changes under high global carbon emissions…READ ALL
    https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/victoria/melbourne-to-swelter-under-new-climate-projections-20191020-p532es.html

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      pat

      just noticed this in the Brisbane Times article:

      The higher temperatures mean Melbourne could see an unprecedented 50 degree day within decades, Environment Victoria campaigns manager Nick Aberle warned.
      “This will wreak havoc on human health, transport infrastructure, energy grids, wildlife and livestock, not to mention how much this might fan the flames of a bushfire,” he said.
      “These projections paint a picture of a world we should try desperately to avoid and we can only do that by doing everything we can to cut greenhouse gas emissions as quickly as possible.”

      RMIT Professor of urban policy Jago Dodson said rising temperatures would affect the everyday lives of Victorians and would become more pressing with a growing population.
      “The design of our housing to avoid the need for air-conditioning and high temperature conditions is going to become an absolute priority in the future,” he said…
      Professor Dodson said public transport infrastructure had struggled to cope with extreme heat and rail tracks and trains would have to be upgraded to withstand more frequent hotter weather.

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        theRealUniverse

        ‘rail tracks and trains would have to be upgraded to withstand more frequent hotter weather.’
        Most tracks are engineered to withstand expansion much greater than the norm. These are idiots that have no clue.
        Hope they can stand the COLD of the LIA!

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      theRealUniverse

      Benjamin Preiss, another loon that just regurgitates the crap being fed up his orifice by the B O M and other loon agencies. These guys cant think its ‘yes sir!’ Ill publish anything you want sir. They never actually LOOK at what they are being fed..
      ‘Environment Victoria campaigns manager Nick Aberle warned.’ ‘could see’ thats just navel gazing..’could’ yes thats a pretty good scientific prediction isnt it..Another eco loon.

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    pat

    23 Oct: RiotAct: Climate change will turn up heat on sport schedules, report warns
    by Lachlan Roberts
    Climate change will create a scheduling nightmare for sports across the territory according to a new report by the Commissioner for Sustainability and the Environment, which warns that elite and amateur athletes will suffer as temperatures are set to soar.
    The report says there is no Canberra-specific sport and active recreation strategy beyond 2020 that can meet the challenges of climate change, as scientists expect an increase of hotter days, extreme heatwaves and higher minimum temperatures…

    The report’s co-author Professor Kate Auty said climate change will affect every single sport in years to come, warning that sports organisers could soon be forced to schedule summer sports during autumn or spring due to the heat, which will cause a “crush effect” on the sports calendar.
    “Even indoor sports will feel the pressure because the minute people can’t use the oval, they will be looking for indoor facilities,” Professor Auty told Region Media.”…

    Read the full report here. ***LINK
    https://the-riotact.com/climate-change-will-turn-up-heat-on-sport-schedules-report-warns/329204

    ***links to 56-page report:

    Commissioner for Sustainability & the Environment: HEAT, HUMANITY, AND THE HOCKEY STICK: CLIMATE CHANGE AND SPORT IN CANBERRA
    September 2019
    Authors:
    Professor ***Kate Auty, Commissioner for Sustainability and the Environment
    ***Caitlin Roy, Assistant Director Investigations, Office of the Commissioner for Sustainability and the Environment
    CONTRIBUTIONS AND APPRECIATION This Issues Paper has been prepared in consultation with, and consideration of, Australian Government agencies, ACT Government directorates, academics, industry experts, not for profit organisations, community groups and sport organisations.

    ***LinkedIn: Professor Kate Auty
    https://au.linkedin.com/in/professor-kate-auty-4b969750

    ***LinkedIn: Caitlin Roy
    https://au.linkedin.com/in/caitlin-roy-a2381157

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    pat

    early last week I checked Sky Weather (BoM) 10-day forecast for the first time in ages and noticed today – 24 Oct – was predicted to be 35C in Brisbane or, supposedly, my own location, just south of Brisbane.

    in reaity, it’s 24C at 11.50am and the revised forecast for Brisbane that I heard on radio yesterday and this morning is for 28C max.

    it seems Saturday is now supposed to be Brisbane’s hot day. time will tell:

    21 Oct: 10Daily: Slap On The Sunscreen, A Heatwave Is On The Way
    by Katie Hill
    This week will be all the proof you need that summer is finally on the way, with temperatures expected to nudge 30 degrees in capital cities around the country.
    Hot air moving down from northern Australia is expected to swallow the first of the major cities as early as tomorrow.
    The good news is, a cool change will follow bringing temperatures down into the teens ahead of the weekend…
    The heat in NSW is largely due to a high-pressure system sitting over the state, according to Elli Blandford, forecaster at the Bureau of Meteorology…

    Around the rest of the country, Victoria, Queensland and WA will all heat up too.
    The mercury in Melbourne will rise to a balmy 33 degrees by Thursday, similar conditions are expected in Brisbane on Saturday…
    Spare a thought for Darwin residents who just sweltered through its second hottest day on record on Monday, with the mercury reaching 38.2 degrees…

    TWEET: BoM, Northern Territory 21 Oct 2019
    HOT today in #Darwin! Today was officially the second hottest day on record, reaching 38.2C at 12.30pm. The all time record was 38.9C in 1982. Check out temp drop and humidity jump when the #seabreeze

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    pat

    unbelievable:

    22 Oct: HeraldSun: news.com.au: Seven of Australia’s capital cities set to surpass 30C this week as heat spike hits
    by Benedict Brook
    VIDEO: 2min49sec: Can we expect umbrella weather this spring?
    A massive heat spike is set to spread across Australia this week with seven out of the country’s eight capitals surpassing, and in some instances far exceeding, the 30C mark.
    That comes in a week when Darwin recorded its second hottest day since records began. On Monday, the Northern Territory city topped out at 38.2C — it hasn’t been that warm for 37 years…

    Only Hobart will escape the searing temperatures. But even there it will be 10C above average at 27C.
    “Thursday will be the hottest day since March for capitals including Adelaide, Canberra and Melbourne,” said Sky News Weather channel Meteorologist Alison Osborne…
    Despite the boiling conditions, it won’t be a heatwave…

    On Friday, Sydney will be 11C above average — that’s certainly “unusual”. But the rise in the mercury is also set to be brief. By Sunday, temperatures will have plummeted to a maximum of just 21C which is actually below average.
    So, it’s probably more accurate to think of it as a heat “spike” rather than a heatwave…

    Expect highs in the mid to late twenties in a sunny Brisbane this week. Then on Saturday it should hit 33C, a full 7C above average. Sunday will see a drop to 28C and then 16C on Monday…
    Darwin is one of the few places that could actually see a heatwave this week with a mix of severe and low intensity heatwaves hitting the region…

    Originally published as Australia hit by searing heat spike.
    https://www.heraldsun.com.au/technology/seven-of-australias-capital-cities-set-to-surpass-30c-this-week-as-heat-spike-hits/news-story/657d3a36b732e70318f39aa5ae017801

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    pat

    sleazy Slezak and the anti-Adani ABC at work again. lengthy, of course:

    24 Oct: ABC: Adani engineering contractor GHD pushed into ‘crisis mode’, say some staff, after protests over Carmichael coal mine involvement
    By Michael Slezak, ABC Investigations
    Updated about 2 hours ago
    PIC: Photo:A group of people in Sydney protest outside GHD’s offices over the company’s involvement with Adani. (Facebook: Stop Adani)
    Leaks from one of Adani’s most significant contractors for its Carmichael coal mine, engineering firm GHD, show it has been rocked by internal dissent, with some current and former staff saying it went into “crisis mode” after employees bombarded management with complaints and questions about its work on the mine.

    The revelations show anti-Adani activists’ tactic of targeting contractors could be making it difficult for Adani to find contractors to complete the mine.
    They come as public pressure mounts on the company, with more than a dozen protests being held at GHD offices around Australia this week.
    The ABC has spoken to two current senior engineers and one former GHD employee.
    The ABC has also seen emails from management to staff responding to internal and external criticisms of GHD’s work with Adani as well as a list of projects GHD has done for Adani…
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-24/adani-contractor-goes-into-crisis-mode-after-protestor-pressure/11627612

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    pat

    headline on ABC “Just In” page:

    Alert SA bushfire warning app not ready as hot weather sparks fire bans

    headline changed to:

    24 Oct: ABC: Alert SA bushfire warning app not ready as fire bans implemented in central districts
    ABC Radio Adelaide By Stacey Lee and Eugene Boisvert
    An app designed to alert South Australians about bushfires is still not ready as total fire bans are issued for many districts today amid sweltering temperatures.
    Adelaide is set to experience its first taste of summer today, with temperatures forecast to reach 37 degrees Celsius this afternoon before an overnight change…

    CFS Sturt deputy group officer Chris Smith said the hot weather and dry vegetation reminded him of December rather than October…
    “Probably the important things would be just to cease any risky activity [today] such as angle grinding or welding and that sort of extends to mowing and slashing — believe it or not, they can start fires — so use some caution there,” Mr Smith said.
    “Probably we’ve just got to be aware and vigilant of suspicious activity — so if people see somebody acting suspicious on the side of the road or whatever they can contact the police information line [131 444].
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-24/alert-sa-app-not-ready-on-fire-ban-day/11634538

    24 Oct: ABC FactCheck: Angus Taylor repeats misleading claim on carbon emissions yet again
    RMIT ABC Fact Check
    As the nation continues to grapple with drought and unseasonably early bushfires, climate change remains a point of political focus…
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-24/zombie—angus-taylor-emissions-abatement-kyoto-protocol/11630780

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      Ian Hill

      Today’s maximum in Adelaide is no big deal. In 2006 it was 37.9C (the old century) on the 12th of October. Highest in October was 39.0C on the 31st in 1987.

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        robert rosicka

        In other words unprecedented

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          Greg in NZ

          Is the near 300% drop in temp overnight – to 13˚C – a result of ™carbon emissions™ or mere ™unprecedented forcing™?

          Hope Bill in Oz survives the chilly 19˚C predicted max for Friday in Adelaide. Oops – don’t mention the cold change.

          Meanwhile won’t somebody think of the poor Taswegians: snow to 800 metres and -1˚C of crisis what crisis! all weekend:

          http://www.bom.gov.au/tas/forecasts/mtwellington.shtml

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            Graeme No.3

            Last night (Wed. – Thurs) was predicted to be a minimum of 17℃ in Mt. Barker. I thought that it might drop to 15℃ but when I woke up my thermometer said it was 11℃ on my front veranda. I admit that my veranda might be somewhat warmer than it should be for meteorological purposes, but I have long since regarded BoM forecasts of minimum temperature as (inspired by Jules Verne).

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      theRealUniverse

      Yes possibly…because, theyll collapse due to the ice load and expansion in the next LIA!

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      robert rosicka

      Ian if you have just one brain cell you’d realise this is utter crap but unfortunately for people like Fitz they add it to the over one million papers that prove we need to worry about CAGW .

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        Ian1946

        Robert, I am sure that PF would think it was real, but as you say it is crap. Poorly maintained bridges fall down because of bad maintenance not climate change. The temperature difference between summer and winter is far greater than the mythical temperature rise from CC.

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    pat

    ABC Big Ideas has 4 programs per week.

    Paul Barclay’s intro to prog #3, (23 Oct) includes:
    public health is the answer to almost everything, including how to approach CLIMATE CHANGE.

    15:50 and 16:54 speaking generally about science, Prof Emily Banks says twice: we can’t predict the future.

    in fact, ANU’S Emily Banks only mentions CLIMATE CHANGE once, at 42min13sec (paraphrasing): we also have to consider the resource imbalances that we face, because we are up against very large, strong vested interests, nowhere clearer than the tobacco industry… so, in terms of the challenges for the next 50 years – obviously there’s a lot of them and, in no particular order, I would say that they include CLIMATE CHANGE, increasing inequalities both within countries and between countries, smoking…chronic disease, obesity & overweight, ageing…

    AUDIO: 54min07sec: 23 Oct: ABC Big Ideas: Paul Barclay: Why public health is the answer to almost everything
    Do you feel grateful for avoiding smallpox, dyptheria or dying in childbirth?
    What about fluoridation, or family planning, or the eighty percent reduction in deaths from cardio vascular disease?
    Perhaps these things rarely cross your mind. In this Big Ideas, we hear why we need to pay more heed to public health expertise.
    Its multi-disciplinary and evidence-based approach is touted as the answer to almost everything. ***Even, how to approach the challenge of climate change.
    Basil Hetzel Oration, Why Public Health is the Answer to Almost Everything presented by the Australian Public Health Conference 2019. September 17, 2019.
    Guest
    Emily Banks – ANU Professor of Epidemiology and Public Health ANU (& visiting Professor at Oxford Uni)
    https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/bigideas/why-public-health-is-the-answer-to-everything/11583010

    the preview of tonite’s prog #4 of the week is a MUST LISTEN: 50min09sec to end: topic: is our democracy serving us well or failing us? guests former minister Amanda Vanstone, satirist Craig Reucassel, economist Andrew Charlton and student activist ***Daisy Jeffrey

    novel length:

    ***4 Oct: news.com.au: Australia’s Greta Thunberg attacked by ‘angry white males’
    Australia’s answer to Greta Thunberg is getting the same put-downs from “angry white males” as the Swedish activist but that won’t stop her crusade.
    by Candace Sutton
    ***Daisy Jeffrey could be called Australia’s Greta Thunberg, but in fact she was leading climate strike protests in Australia when Greta was a little known teen holding up placards outside Stockholm’s parliament…
    Daisy Jeffrey, a year 11 student at Sydney’s Conservatorium High School, is the eldest child of two former News Corp journalists.
    Her mother, Annabel McGilvray, who joined the climate strike in Sydney led by Daisy, is now a communications specialist.
    Her father, award-wining columnist James Jeffrey, recently was appointed Opposition Leader Anthony Albanese’s speechwriter…

    In year 8, after seeing in her geography class the video of Canadian teen Severn Cullis-Suzuki’s UN address about saving the planet, Daisy sent a letter to then prime minister Malcolm Turnbull.
    She started reading “alarming” news reports about climate and felt she “just HAD to be part of it”…
    https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/australias-greta-thunberg-attacked-by-angry-white-males/news-story/b4eb9bc8eb35ced9feef3b0ea988463f

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      pat

      Big Ideas prog #2 this week is posted in comment #18 above.

      Tues 22 Oct: ABC Big Ideas: Why changing your behaviour for the better is so difficult?
      CLIMATE CHANGE, the obesity crisis, plastic pollution in our oceans

      prog #1 this week doesn’t have CC in the summary, but one can imagine where that discussion may have led, given the guests (not listening):

      Mon 21 Oct: from the Byron Bay Writers’ Festival: Class, poverty, and the importance of place, in country Australia
      Guests include:
      ***Gabrielle Chan (Guardian)
      ***Rick Morton (The Saturday Paper)

      2 Jul: Guardian: ***GABRIELLE CHAN: ‘Action now’: the farmers standing up against ‘wilful ignorance’ on climate
      The challenge for farmers is how to discuss global warming without scaring people out of food production
      The last election may have left the impression with voters that farmers and rural people in general do not accept climate science because there was no seismic shift of seats.
      Yet this week the agricultural thinktank, the Australian Farm Institute, gathered farmers and their advocacy groups to talk about the impacts of global warming on the already risky business of farming…
      AACo boss Hugh Killen: “Slight changes to fire, flood and drought patterns can shift a very delicate balance. Increased flood, drought and fire can disrupt everything we do in their own right, as with risks we have seen in the gulf.”…
      “Those who call themselves believers demand action now,” Killen said. “We need to show them we share their conviction about the dangers that we all face.
      “They need to know that we care, we take the science seriously and that we are taking action where we can to manage climate risks daily.”
      It was an unusual conference because since Tony Abbott dismantled the carbon price in 2013, the largely conservative industry has tiptoed around the issue – a point recognised by the National Farmers’ Federation president, Fiona Simson, last year when she declared climate change was making drought worse…
      The WWF’s Ian McConnel said farmer payments for eco-system work would be an important driver for positive change…

      subscription reqd:

      The Saturday Paper: ***RICK MORTON: While Scott Morrison toured Trump’s America, the world’s top climate scientists fought it out over their latest warning of the coming disaster.By Rick Morton.
      The week Australia failed on climate change
      Edition No. 272 September 28 – October 4, 2019
      In the early hours of Tuesday morning, as Swedish teenager Greta Thunberg addressed world leaders at a climate summit in New York, and Scott Morrison toured a McDonald’s drive-through in Chicago, some of the planet’s top climate scientists were locked in “tense” negotiations in Monaco…

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    David Coad

    Teresa May declares a Climate emergency! Only problem – is it too hot or too cold in the UK? The mean temperature is only 10 Deg C. It could be 11 Deg C in 100 years.

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      Graeme No.3

      David:
      Of course it is a “Climate Emergency” – send money NOW.
      And 10 ℃ is almost double the annual mean temperature in Iceland (about 5-5.5℃) and warmer than Copenhagen at 8℃.
      Mind you, the Icelanders were able to start growing barley in 1925 (after 400 years without) after their annual temperature rose from around 1℃ in 1910 to 4℃ in 1924. They seem to regard a little bit more warming as a good idea.
      Why, any further warming and farmers in England will want to start farming Dartmoor as was done in Medieval times.

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      PeterS

      Looks like fake news. I will believe it when I see the bulldozers there.

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      theRealUniverse

      Same, take that with a grain of..until theres a hole in the ground.
      If true should have been done years ago if anybody had any foresight that Australia is a naturally DRY continent. “Oh but we have a drought..um bugger! lets build a dam, but we have no water to fill it..”

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    pat

    22 Oct: Newsbusters: You Will DEFINITELY Believe Who Glamour Magazine Picked as ‘Women of the Year’
    by Scott Whitlock
    Is it any wonder why there’s such a disconnect between Americans and the media giants that claim to represent them? For the second time in less than a month, a magazine has declared that only liberal women make a difference. Glamour announced the 2019 Women of the Year and — surprise — no conservatives are included.

    Some of the winners include far-left environmental activist Greta Thunberg, anti-Trump soccer star Megan Rapinoe and apocalyptic Handmaid’s Tale author Margaret Atwood…
    … Thunberg’s entry is titled “The Revolutionary.” The text in the online version read: “Sixteen-year-old climate activist Greta Thunberg is on a mission to save the planet—but she can’t do it alone.”…

    In an online-only CBS This Morning segment, Glamour editor-in-chief Samantha Barry hailed Thunberg as a star:
    These young women can really make change. And I think what was interesting when we were awarding Greta is the amount of people who wanted to give us secondary interviews. Al Gore was trying to talk to us for the interview…. So I think what was interesting was all of the generations that wanted to come and talk about how Greta had made a difference…
    https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/scott-whitlock/2019/10/22/you-will-definitely-believe-who-glamour-picked-women-year

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    Gerard Flood

    Request for response : In the southern suburbs of Melbourne [Victoria, Australia], the local weekly newspaper always carries an alarmist column by a Monash University ‘climate scientist’, eg. “Eight of the 10 warmest years in Australia have occurred since 2005″- Dr Ailie Gallant [mordiallocchelsealeader.com.au p 8 16/10/2019]. I would be grateful to receive any relevant response, thank you.

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      Greg in NZ

      *Bu!! sh!t* would be my relevant response :-)

      While our North Island ski areas are closed AGAIN as a “storm front continues with snow and wind forecast to increase further this morning. Deicing will be underway” as max temp reaches -1˚C with -16˚C wind chill and 30 cm new snow on a 3 metre base:

      https://www.metservice.com/skifields/turoa

      … while another headline screams this weekend will be “pretty toasty as temperatures hit 26 degrees” – thanks to orographic winds but, ssshhh, don’t tell the kiddies that: can’t have them figuring out it’s all natural ebb & flow and wind direction. Instead just shout: Hottest EVAH!!!

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    pat

    Peta Credlin just said she’s having Graham Lloyd and Craig Kelly on the program; also mentioned the following. all this RE, for what? for whom?

    24 Oct: Australian editorial: Renewable energy cutting emissions at a cost to users
    Extinction rebels and others whingeing that Australia is not doing its fair share to cut greenhouse gas emissions need a reality check. New research from the Australian National University shows emissions could fall from next year following a boom in renewable power investment. Australia is on track, between last year and next year, to invest in wind and solar power three times faster per capita than Germany, four to five times faster than China, the EU, Japan and the US, and 10 times faster than the global average. The researchers expect emissions to fall by 3 to 4 per cent from next year to 2022…

    Sustaining the fall in emissions would require billions of dollars more to be spent on behalf of taxpayers on energy storage and transmission, Graham Lloyd writes on Thursday. The additional costs would add about $5 a megawatt hour to the cost of power in the national market when there was 50 per cent renewable energy in the system. That would soar to an additional $25/MWh at 100 per cent renewables — on top of at least $50/MWh for generating renewable power, which is heavily subsidised. Conversion of the entire system to renewables would reduce emissions by 33 per cent, the ANU researchers calculated. But without more government spending on storage and transmission, they warn, investment in renewables may slow down, causing emissions to start rising…

    The size of the challenge may have been underestimated by the ANU researchers, however. Other reports have made clear that making the switch becomes progressively more difficult as the percentage of renewable energy in the system increases. Large-scale storage has yet to show that it is both achievable and economically feasible…

    And while Queensland is still refusing to release consultants’ reports on “overseas scope 3 emissions” levels being linked to approvals of resource projects, Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk says such legislation is not being considered. Nor should it be. Australians’ jobs and quality of life depend on rational energy policies that provide affordable, reliable power, regardless of the source.
    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/editorials/renewable-energy-cutting-emissions-at-a-cost-to-users/news-story/9495bda8bda8aece1879ef9f0ff9fee5

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      pat

      China likes it:

      24 Oct: Xinhua: Australia set to achieve greenhouse emissions targets following surge in green energy investment
      An Australian National University (ANU) report released on Thursday found that Australia had spent 11 times the global average on renewable power, and that its greenhouse gas emissions could start to fall from next year following the surge in wind and solar power investment.
      According to the ANU research, Australia will install more than 16 gigawatts of wind and solar, an average rate of 220 watts per person per year, between 2018 and 2020. This, it says, is four to five times faster than China, the European Union, Japan or the United States…

      The research, conducted by Andrew Blakers and Matt Stocks, indicated that if the federal government assisted companies in building more transmission quickly, to allow electricity from the wind and solar farms to reach cities, then the electricity emissions would continue to decline rapidly.
      “Otherwise, investment in wind and solar may slow down, causing emissions to stop falling or even to increase again,” the report said.
      http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-10/24/c_138498744.htm

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        Graeme No.3

        Isn’t it a bit “funny” that “cheap” renewables always wants more taxpayers money for transmission lines, more taxpayers money for pumped hydro storage, and more taxpayers money for battery store?
        Couldn’t they just drop prices?

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    pat

    so being totally peed off about the XR mob disrupting life, the Brits can’t wait for the Govt to take more of their money for CAGW rubbish. sure!

    22 Oct: iNewsUK: The environment has shot up the public’s priority list after a year of climate strikes and heatwaves
    People would like to see the Government be more ambitious in its measures to tackle climate change
    By Tom Bawden
    Public concern about the environment has soared amid a series of extreme weather events, warnings from scientists and actions by climate activists, a new study finds.
    Some 51 per cent of the public fear climate change and other environmental issues such as plastic pollution and habitat loss are set to get worse – up from 37 per cent only a year ago, according to a new survey…

    Their concern comes after a global climate strikes inspired by the teenage Swedish activist Greta Thunberg, climate change protests by the Extinction Rebellion activist group, United Nations warnings on the state of the environment and record breaking heatwaves across Europe…

    Reform and Deloitte, the consultancy group, commissioned Ipsos Mori to conduct the survey of 1,300 adults across the UK.
    “People clearly want to be reassured that public services are getting the investment they need and the longstanding issues of social care and housing appear to be seen as needing attention,” said Jayson Hadley, of Deloitte.
    “It’s also striking that concerns over climate change have increased and the public wants the government to act,” he added…

    Meanwhile, 65 per cent think the government should do more to ban environmentally unfriendly products, such as lead petrol or non-recyclable items and 58 per cent support greater taxes on environmentally unfriendly products to make them more expensive.
    https://inews.co.uk/news/environment/environment-priority-climate-strike-heatwave-government-817934

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      pat

      22 Oct: UK Telegraph: Extinction Rebellion protests cost police £37 million and led to other investigations being shut
      By Gareth Davies
      Protest action by Extinction Rebellion (XR) in April cost the Met £16million, meaning the bill so far this year is £37million – more than twice the annual budget of its Violent Crime Taskforce. The annual budget for its Violent Crime Taskforce is £15million.
      Scotland Yard’s figures suggest that so far this year there have been 115 homicides in London, compared with 112 at the same point in 2018. This includes 77 stabbings and nine shootings.
      Dame Cressida said the policing of the climate change group had put a “horrendous strain” on the force, and as a result some of its other investigations were either being done slowly or in the worst-case scenario – not at all…

      She said: “We are certainly at the point where I would say to Extinction Rebellion this is placing a horrendous strain on London, and on the Met.
      “From the Met’s point of view (a) big cost to us and the people who pay for us. Huge drain on our people’s resources and energy, causing their families to have to make massive changes in their personal arrangements.
      “Frankly, a less good service to the rest of London. Partly because people get tired and partly because we just had to slow down certain types of inquiries, certain types of investigations would just be done more slowly and some things won’t ever be done at all.”

      Met bosses will apply to the Home Office to cover the cost of the protest action.
      Nearly 8,000 Metropolitan Police officers were deployed during the October action by Extinction Rebellion, with 21,000 asked to work 12-hour shifts for part of the fortnight.
      Detectives were also called in to cover some frontline duties while uniformed colleagues were drafted in to central London.
      A total of 1,828 protesters were arrested, of whom 164 have so far been charged.
      In April 1,148 activists were held, of whom more than 900 were charged, mostly receiving a conditional discharge…
      https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/10/22/extinction-rebellion-cost-37m-police-led-investigations-closed/

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    Peter C

    Freedom of Speech for All -Not just Journalists!

    ABC, Fairfax, Guardian etc want Government secrecy laws relaxed for journalists.
    Yet the ABC redacted the entire response, when the IPA asked for internal documents on why the IPA does not get exposure on The Drum and other programs.

    The Bolt Report

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    Zane

    I don’t particularly trust the supposedly lower CO2 readings in past times. I read in one of the skeptic books that the Mauna Loa reading varied markedly depending on the season or from which direction the wind was blowing. It seems too pat that the readings always support the Greenie climate emergency scenario.

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    David Maddison

    Tony Heller on YouTube has documented how NASA and NOAA in the US have been doing exactly the same thing. They must have the same UN puppet master.

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    David Maddison

    NASA and NOAA’s rewrite of America’s temperature history.

    https://youtu.be/_nmhTZuFGGE

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    Peter Fitzroy

    In the end – you have nothing to match the climate stats, except isolated weather events. It is no wonder everyone laughs at you

    /the have hysterics relating to AG55

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    Richard

    I’m always interested in the idea of WHY an average changes. There can be multiple causes for an average changing, and the specific reasons MATTER. I’ve been tremendously interested in the apparent increase in average temperature of the planet, or Australia or even a given region. It seems to me that we might actually “top out” on the maximum temps at any given location, but that the average could still increase if the MINIMUM temp was INCREASED. And I have a very strong hunch that’s what we’re talking about here – an increase in the minimum temp, driving an increase in the average temp. That’s a VERY different story from there being an increase in the maximum temp.
    Anyone care to speculate on the causes of a rise in the minimum temp? UHI seems an obvious explanation to me, but there must be others…..

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