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Petition for Zali Steggall to build those wind farms for Warringah

I just signed the petition “Zali Steggall: Wind farms for Warringah” and wanted to see if you could help by adding your name.

Our goal is to reach 15,000 signatures and we need more support. You can read more and sign the petition here:

http://chng.it/PVhHmxhQkL

h/t Steve, Owain

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125 comments to Petition for Zali Steggall to build those wind farms for Warringah

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    Rob

    After seeing “Bondi Lifeguards” or similar I would suggest Bondi for a wind and solar farm. Think of the lives that would save.

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      Vladimir

      I have signed it 3 days ago just for fun. This morning it made 13k signatories only – many times less than “Climate Emergency” petition.

      Now seriously: I believe absolutely there is an emergency.
      Unless SM turns our country the right way, very soon everyone will forget the election results; the ABC, the local councils, the BOM, the Universities…. will be back with their lies.

      The Liberals will pump (scarce) water uphill and talk and talk…

      We must resolve our drought-flood situation, luck of water and energy, overpopulation of 2-3 cities and depopulation outside them, multitude of environment-related issues

      Is there a way to use Climate Emergency movement (here and overseas) with one target only – getting formal and factual answer to, say – 5 main ones? Can it be turned to demand a Royal Commission ?.

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        Graham Richards

        You guys have made me see the error of my ways, I feel the guilt & will sign up immediately after this comment. Should we sign up more than once, you know, like when voting!

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          Ian Acalon

          If every beachside suburb that voted in favour of renewables was asked to build its own electricity network totally off the grid without subsidy they would all demand that renewables be built in poorer electorates because they need coal fired power for their life style choices like electric cars. Has this issue been our greatest hypocrisy? Very sad.

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      Analitik

      Wave generators at Bondi should have been added to the petition

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      Ok, being from the UK I had no idea what this was about until reading the petition and surely you guys are missing a trick?

      I see that this is a surf destination so that means big waves. Big waves means lots of wave generated power!

      So build a continuous line of wave generators two hundred yards out. Unfortunately it will completely destroy the surfing opportunities but surely that is a small price to pay in order to combat the climate emergency?

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        Graeme No.3

        There might be some reluctance. The last 3 attempts at wave power in Australia have resulted in rusting hulks and the builders not having the money to remove them.

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    Annie

    I signed it yesterday!

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    george

    Signed and shared.<:o)

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    Travis T. Jones

    There should also be a petition to change the name of the suburb to Nimbyville.

    Also … Climate change likely to make us more stupid, study finds

    https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change-carbon-dioxide-intelligence-greenhouse-gas-more-stupid-ucl-study-a8674706.html

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      WXcycles

      The Independent is pure trash, it’s where the stupidity crisis has really been hitting hardest.

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        Annie

        A sad state for a newspaper that started so well. It even boasted having Miles Kington (sadly RIP) as a contributor, poached from The Times. I still have cuttings and books of his articles.

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      David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

      Thanks T,
      The article has a great photo – of cooling towers, belching that other severe climate gas, water.
      But it’s right you know, carbon pollution, produced in volume by a variety of news sources has driven young people mad, to the point of refusing to examine false propositions and refusing to stay at school.
      Cheers
      Dave B

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      robert rosicka

      Travis it’s too late the greenies have already lost more IQ points than they had .

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      theRealUniverse

      Usual total BS
      “Rising carbon dioxide emissions could cause a decline in the brainpower of workers around the world, according to new research.”
      Yep new ‘research’ = nice new money (tax payers) for studying total garbage and publishing it in some journal that blindly accepts anything the has the title ‘climate change’ in or near it.

      I hardly read that sh..t it usually makes me ill.

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      Terry

      They confuse cause and effect.

      Stupid people believe in “climate change”. There’s not a nice way to say it.

      They believe The Scientific Method involves marking time for 3 or 4 years, mouthing all of the “correct” opinions and making up a fancy title for your business card before yelling abuse at anyone that won’t buy into your delusion. Always with their hand out for largesse along the way, but of course – for the children don’t you know…

      All that you get after “educating” stupid people, are stupid “educated” people. They’re not suddenly smarter. And as the “Climate Change debate” demonstrates, they lose none of their ignorance along the way.

      They’re of equal value to society after the process (if you disregard the opportunity cost of resources sunk into their 3 to 4 years of adult child-minding activities).

      No. It is not CO2 making them stupid, it is a sad combination of their genes and education indoctrination.

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    pat

    breaking news on Fox:

    Trump orders declassification of intel related to spying on Trump campaign.

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    pat

    Rocky mayor says anger at Labor over Adani is “palpable”
    Courier Mail-11 hours ago
    ***FORMER Labor member and Rockhampton Mayor Margaret Strelow said she was conflicted over the federal election result, but said it reflected…

    23 May: Brisbane Times: Regional Queenslanders call for ‘Quexit’ over Adani
    By Robyn Wuth, AAP
    Mackay mayor Greg Williamson said regional communities were still angry at the Bob Brown Convoy and felt frustrated and “cut off” from the state government…
    Rockhampton mayor ***Margaret Strelow wants Adani to get a “fair go” and for the Galilee Basin to be opened up.
    She has called for a day of action on Friday to demand a long-term policy vision for regional Queensland and approvals for the Adani mine and other projects.
    “As part of the day, we will be launching a petition to be lodged in the Queensland state parliament calling for more action in regional areas.”…
    The day of action rally will be at the Rockhampton’s Riverside Precinct at midday.
    https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/politics/queensland/regional-queenslanders-call-for-quexit-over-adani-20190523-p51qk4.html

    Adani clock is ticking for Labor
    Morning Bulletin-20 hours ago

    24 May: SBS: Three-week deadline set to resolve controversial Adani mine approvals
    The two approvals Adani needs to build its contentious coal mine in the Galilee Basin should be resolved by June 13, Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk says.
    Ms Palaszczuk ordered the meeting after federal Labor’s bruising defeat in regional Queensland electorates that want the jobs the mine promises.

    The premier said a decision was expected by May 31 on Adani’s plan to protect the endangered black throated finch, which lives on the mine site.
    A decision on the company’s groundwater management plan is due by June 13.
    “I know initially people thought this was months, what I’m announcing today (is) it’s a matter of weeks,” she told reporters in Cairns on Friday…

    Ms Palaszczuk will remain in northern Australia after this week travelling to regions where voters shunned Labor at last week’s federal election, with the result attributed to delays plaguing the mine…
    “It’s not a new position, OK? I’ve said clearly that we need time frames,” she told reporters in Townsville on Friday.
    Meanwhile, residents in Rockhampton will take part in a “day of action” rally in support of Adani.
    Rockhampton Mayor Margaret Strelow said it was time for Adani to get a “fair go”.
    https://www.sbs.com.au/news/three-week-deadline-set-to-resolve-controversial-adani-mine-approvals

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    Come on guys. We can do better. What about one of these parked off Manly beach?
    https://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/2874663/port-wave-generator-removal-set-for-mid-2015/

    And one for Palm Beach, one for Bilgola, one for Whale. And Avalon, totally! (Maybe not Freshwater. I like swimming there.)

    You can still have your wind farms. And you can float in some massive diesel generators for backup and declare Warringah fully energy independent, with all diesel costs paid by local councils and rates if Soros and G-Up won’t chip in enough.

    Then just watch the cool beach set migrate to durrdy energy dependent Mt Druitt.

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      yarpos

      I was reading a rather sanctmonious retort on the Windmills campaign. The writer said how leading edge wind power was of course(?) off shore and he would support them all up and down the NSW coast and we should also be implementing wave and tidal power which hadnt been given a “fair go” at least in their addled mind.

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      cloudbase

      No way…Mackellar voted Liberal (as always). Let the the Warringah fools have what they boted for. And give us back our Pittwater Council too.

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        PeterPetrum

        We used to live at Bilgola Plateau. Live in Blackheath in the Blue Mountains now. All National Park – no bird choppers up here. I reckon Manly would look fabulous with the turbines – would drown out the sound of the under 20’s in the Corso.

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    Karim Ghantous

    THE POWER OF ONE. Let’s encourage Zali to lead the entire nation. Zali Steggal could be the Martin Luther of climate action – and we’re all right behind her. I have just sent her an encouraging tweet, and I hope that you all sincerely do the same. This is what I wrote:

    “Hey, congratulations on your win! More independents in parliament, please. Anyway, If the federal government won’t lead, maybe Warringah can. I’d love to see your entire district powered by renewables. E.g. wind turbines on the shoreline, in parks, etc. Go get ‘em

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      OriginalSteve

      I think any MP who is really keen on these things, should force all their backers/electors to offer thier Warringah house blocks for sites for bird shredders…….

      See how fast everyone backs away from the idea….

      I mean, if the climate is that much of an “emergency”……

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      yarpos

      Well she did say that her election was the dawning of a new age , so I guess she has big plans.

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      Another Ian

      KG

      Why not make it a double for Warringah?

      “Maybe time to advise Zali that there is a slightly used solar concentrator system available from Medicine Hat, Canada.

      http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/index.php/2019/05/22/we-dont-need-no-stinking-giant-mirrors-8/

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      GD

      Let’s encourage Zali to lead the entire nation.

      Not only will we be helping the planet, think of the employment opportunities. All that loud, noisy, dusty construction work in everyone’s backyard and on the beach and golf courses will require a multitude of workers from the less affluent suburbs, not to mention the ongoing team of clean-up workers needed to pick up the remains of the shredded birds.

      Now that’s a sustainable industry.

      Well done, Zali.

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      Ross

      She should call Turnbull’s son and demand he invests some of his hedge fund’s money into a wind farm on the beach. Get him to put his money where his mouth is.

      NB. I used the word demand on purpose because “ask” is not in their vocab.

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    TdeF

    Putting windmills on the beach or a ridge is the environmental equivalent of a freeway through a National Park. At least on the beach you do not have to chop down as many trees as you do on a ridge and you only slaughter the sea eagles and waders and seagulls, not the soaring raptors riding the thermals on a ridge. Nothing improves the timeless view of a beach more than a couple of giant slowly rotating windmills.

    Only the Greens would think this was a good idea and they really care about the environment when they can find the time to visit it, as long as there is a good latte nearby.

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    pat

    TWEETS: Donald J. Trump
    “Today, at the request and recommendation of the Attorney General of the United States, President Donald J. Trump directed the intelligence community to quickly and fully cooperate with the Attorney General’s investigation into surveillance activities….

    ….during the 2016 Presidential election. The Attorney General has also been delegated full and complete authority to declassify information pertaining to this investigation, in accordance with the long-established standards for handling classified information….

    “Today, at the request and recommendation of the Attorney General of the United States, President Donald J. Trump directed the intelligence community to quickly and fully cooperate with the Attorney General’s investigation into surveillance activities….
    23 May 2019
    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1131716322369392646

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    pat

    not a done deal, but…

    23 May: Newsweek: Donald Trump’s Friend Boris Johnson Set to Become U.K. Prime Minister Imminently as Brexit Destroys Theresa May’s Leadership
    By Shane Croucher
    Johnson is a favorite both among Conservative members of Parliament—and the bookmakers—to succeed May, whose government he quit last year in protest over her Brexit plans…

    behind paywall:

    23 May: UK Telegraph: Boris Johnson could be in Number 10 by the summer – if he doesn’t mess up the next few weeks
    By Fraser Nelson
    It has never been hard to make the case for Boris Johnson as Tory leader. He’s a proven winner who was twice elected mayor of London, a Labour city. He supplied energy and optimism to the Vote Leave campaign – qualities that the Tories need rather badly now. In an era when exasperated voters seek mould-breaking politicians, he is the best candidate to present the Conservatives as force for change. In fact, he might be the only candidate able to do so…

    14 Jul 2016: GWPF: Climate Sceptical Boris Johnson Is Britain’s New Foreign Secretary
    Johnson was a leading figure in the victorious “Leave” campaign in the EU referendum last month and is well-known climate sceptic…
    Boris Johnson: Are We Facing Global Cooling?
    Something is up with our winter weather. Could it be the Sun is having a slow patch…

    While Johnson has never denied man-made climate change and described last year’s United Nations’ Paris climate treaty as “fantastic,” he also wrote in a Dec. 20 Telegraph column, quoting prominent U.K. climate skeptic Piers Corbyn, that human beings tend to confuse weather with climate and overestimate their impact on the natural world.

    As Johnson put it: “I am sure that those global leaders (who drafted the Paris treaty) were driven by a primitive fear that the present ambient warm weather is somehow caused by humanity. And that fear — as far as I understand the science — is equally without foundation.”…
    https://www.thegwpf.com/climate-sceptical-boris-johnson-is-britains-new-foreign-secretary/

    Boris Johnson’s climate change “scepticism” is an embarrassment to London’s scientists
    The Mayor’s suggestion that we are heading for a “mini Ice Age”shows that he does not understand the basic science behind global warming…
    This latest gaffe follows his decision last year to invite Matt Ridley, a prominent climate change ‘sceptic’ and former chairman of Northern Rock, to speak at City Hall about how environmental risks are overblown, as part of the cultural celebration that accompanied the Olympics…
    New Statesman – 23 Jan 2013

    FakeNewsMSM is all over this story today – hoping “a man” will stop Boris!

    23 May: Bloomberg: Boris Johnson’s Brexit Claims Were Dishonest, Private Prosecutor Says
    By Jonathan Browning; With assistance by Alex Morales
    Johnson leading race to become next Tory prime minister
    Campaigner trying to prosecute ex-mayor for misconduct
    U.K. Conservative Party frontrunner Boris Johnson made false claims about British spending on the European Union and should face criminal charges, according to a man trying to privately prosecute the politician in a London court…
    (Marcus) Ball, a 29-year-old former founder of technology companies, has been attempting to crowdfund the proposed prosecution…

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      Kevin Lohse

      Hi Pat. Don’t believe the Lying MSM. The situation on the ground is that BoJo is the favourite of the Conservative voluntary party, who are mainly (80%) strong Brexiteers, but the Parliamentary party, rabid Federasts, mostly hate him. This disconnect between MP’s and activists has been instrumental in the rise and rise of the Brexit Party, as Conservative supporters like me have deserted a party which no longer represents our views and voted for TBP yesterday in the Euro elections. The process for electing a new leader. is that the Parliamentary party first make the decision. If they are divided and there is no clear winner, the field is whittled down to 2 candidates and their names are put to the voluntary party to decide. The Chances of BoJo being on the final ballot are slim.
      It’s not only disenchanted Tory voters switching either. The Labour heartlands in the north of England and Wales also are fed up with the Labour, led by the antisemitic Marxist Jeremy Corbyn, who never fails to support a cause inimical to the UK national interest. Those voters have also moved to TBP, the Europhiles are voting LibDem, and Labour are languishing behind the Federast LibDems in the polls.
      there is every chance that the post-WWII 2 party dominance of the Tories and Labour will be broken in the coming months. Theresa May has broken the Tories for a generation and Corbyn’s loony left Labour Party is unelectable. I expect there’s a good chance that TBP will consolidate its position with 38% of the popular vote and make significant inroads in the next Parliamentary GE.
      There is a by-election in Peterborough coming up where the TBP candidate is a strong favourite to take the seat. The outcome of that election will decide the direction of UK politics in the immediate future.

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        Sceptical Sam

        Thanks for that Kevin. It’s nice to get an “on the ground” perspective.

        Brexit will give the Great Britain back its sovereignty and dignity. The EU is nothing more than a subversive play to become another socialist state. The EU economy is already failing, so why would Great Britain wish to be part of that?

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          sophocles

          My thanks too, Kevin.

          Watching these historic events from the other side of the world is difficult … :-)

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      Robert Swan

      At the foot of the posting: “Ball, a 29-year-old former founder of technology companies,…”. How on Earth can anybody be a former founder? He either was one or he wasn’t.

      Since “lost” and “found” are opposites, perhaps this is just a subtle way of calling him a loser.

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        sophocles

        Since “lost” and “found” are opposites, perhaps this is just a subtle way of calling him a loser.

        If he has retired early, it could be “success” … The former strongly suggests he is no longer founding technology companies. One has to wonder how many of them “foundered?”

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          yarpos

          he’s 29 FFS, there hasnt been much time for anything to happen

          for a male, he is almost becoming a functioning adult

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    Greg in NZ

    O/T but part of the same loopy spin cycle:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/112728366/school-students-strike-for-climate-change-what-you-need-to-know

    “Auckland is staging a strike and lie-in at Aotea Square and Queen Street from midday on Friday”. Children are planning to sleep in the middle of the road, of NZ’s busiest city, on a Friday – or is it now Fry Day? Just heard on the radio a school girl demanding the city needs to “pass a climate emergency motion”. Oops – out of the mouths of babes.

    I won’t besmirch Jo’s fine site by posting a link to your BoM but their forecast for NSW & VIC alpine areas, from Sunday to Thursday next week, is for freezing snow, Snow, SNOW!!! Ho ho ho!

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      Greg in NZ

      https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/389944/live-blog-students-strike-for-climate-change-action

      Looking at some of their hand-painted cardboard signs, these kiddies need to get back into class to practise [verb, Brit. practise] their grammar, spelling, and hand-writing skills. Oh that’s right, they have no future – why bother!

      Lucky for the little ones the benign weather climate caused a calm, mild, pleasant, dry, sunny autumn day – across the whole country – for a day off school. I only hope they’re not still sleeping on the road tonight as I’m driving a big bus through there… honk! honk!

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        theRealUniverse

        OH DEAR! poor Auck. (((

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        sophocles

        I stayed home.

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          theRealUniverse

          You should have been down Albert park, telling them they are fools :D

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            sophocles

            I think not. The western side of the park along Kitchener St is pretty steep (precipitous is a polite word) — about a 15m or so drop at the north western corner where it meets Bowen Avenue and Victoria St. Bowen Ave forms the south side of the rim of a small volcanic crater which Kitchener St dips into, passes through and rises very steeply from to meet the eastern end of Bowen Ave, and Princes St at Waterloo Quadrant … )

            My intellect may soar but my corpus is not so agile, and, as I am rather fond of it, I’m keen to keep my feet firmly on terra firma; the more firma, the less terra and at my option, not that of others. :-) .

            Besides, I’m replacing/rebuilding the remains of a 25 year-old wooden fence at home, so I had other more constructive things to do. I’ve retired from trying to beat ideas and concepts into solid ivory/concrete after nearly thirty years of it — although sometimes irritating exceptions do still pop up. As the winters become colder over the next five to seven years, which they have a good chance of doing, they may have to start thinking that perhaps they just might be wrong. I will enjoy that — I can wait.

            The day, though, was a great advertisement for alternative or free! power. It was so free, there wasn’t any. It was a totally windless day with lots of cloud. (yesterday — Saturday — was still and sunny, and today is still and grey with high cloud. No wind, three days in a row …).

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      yarpos

      They picked Friday here too, a while ago. Both teachers and students like a long weekend and some shopping in town. They were fortunate with the weather here too, sunny but cool.

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      Another Ian

      Has BOM now added a classification for “non-freezing snow”?

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        Graeme No.3

        Yes, it is the snow you have when your predictions of warming don’t happen.

        Given the difference between the increasingly hysterical cries from the Climatologists (as distinct from real Climate Scientists) and reality, it is necessary to declare certain new states.
        ‘Non-freezing snow’ is white stuff on the ground when none were predicted.
        ‘Dangerous increase in warming’ is when temperatures can be ‘persuaded’ to rise by 0.02℃.
        “indications of warming rising” is when temperatures don’t rise, even if ‘persuaded’.
        “alarming warming predictions” is when temperatures fall rather than rise.
        “rising sea levels and/or polar bears in peril” when temperatures fall and more ice freezes.

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        Greg in NZ

        Won’t be far away, Ian, as anything’s possible with this krazy klimate kult: Category 6 cyclones (spinning anti-clockwise?) now cause Burning Snow, otherwise known as BS₉₇.

        Home safe & sound and didn’t run over anything I shouldn’t have – mind you, avoiding the ****s in cars wandering in-and-out-of lanes as they texted/twittered/twaddled… who needs robot drivers when there’s already zombie drivers out there en masse.

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          sophocles

          … bluetooth hackable so-called `self-driving’ computerized cars. Someone has said they might lower the road toll. That can be fixed …

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            sophocles

            Northern Hemisphere cyclones (aka hurricanes and typhoons) spin anticlockwise,
            Southern Hemisphere cyclones all spin clockwise (Cat 5 is the highest strength — it’s open ended)

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    pat

    read all:

    24 May: Sara Carter: President Trump Orders Intel Community: Declassify Docs And Fully Cooperate With AG Barr
    In Thursday’s memo Trump ordered the Department of State, Secretary of the Treasury, Secretary of Defense, the Attorney General, ***Secretary of Energy, Homeland Security, Director of National Intelligence and the director of the CIA to assist Barr in his review of the activities of the agencies during the FBI’s probe into alleged – now debunked – collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia…READ ALL
    https://saraacarter.com/president-trump-orders-intel-community-declassify-docs-and-fully-cooperate-with-ag-barr/

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    pat

    VIDEO: 6min02sec: 23 May: Gateway Pundit: Four Different Fraudulent Steele Dossiers Were Circulated AT LEAST 20 DIFFERENT TIMES
    by Joe Hoft
    The Steele dossier without a doubt was a fraud. The fact that at least four versions of the dossier being passed around provides additional proof that the entire dossier was made up.
    Yesterday Congressman Devin Nunes was on Hannity and he explained that the entire Steele dossier was made up. He said…ETC

    Representative Nunes is right. Per our analysis there were at least four copies of Steele’s dossier being passed around during the time Obama’s corrupt Deep State used the dossier to obtain the FISA warrant. We know this in part, because dirty cop and fired FBI Agent Peter Strzok told us so. This was reported on the Hill (JOHN SOLOMON) in July 2018…ETC

    Below is our list of four different versions of the bogus Steele dossier…READ ALL
    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/05/exclusive-list-four-different-fraudulent-steele-dossiers-were-circulated-at-least-20-different-times/

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    pat

    VIDEO: 22 May: CNN: Juncker lashes out at ‘stupid nationalists’ on eve of European elections
    By Frederik Pleitgen and Luke McGee,
    BRUSSELS: European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker has lashed out at “stupid nationalists” on the eve of European elections in which euroskeptic politicians are expected to make gains in the European Parliament…
    Some polls project that populists may become the most powerful group in the parliament following this week’s elections in all 28 EU nations, resulting in a lasting impact on the future of the bloc and the continent at large.

    “These populist, nationalists, stupid nationalists, they are in love with their own countries,” Juncker told CNN in his Brussels office…
    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/05/22/europe/jean-claude-juncker-interview-european-elections-intl/index.html

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      Hasbeen

      Didn’t he mean deplorable.

      Should win as many friends as Hillary did with such outbursts, hopefully with the same result.

      Obviously he did not notice the Oz result.

      Don’t these people pay any attention to the world other than their own little dung heap.

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      yarpos

      “stupid nationalists!” sounds like he channeling Homer Simpson

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      Sceptical Sam

      stupid nationalists, they are in love with their own countries,

      Just remind me Mr Junker, who was the last German that sought to rule over Europe?

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      AndyG55

      “they are in love with their own countries,” Juncker”

      And Junkette is in love with himself, and POWER and MONEY.

      He obviously doesn’t love his own country, right Junkette ?

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        Another Ian

        IIRC isn’t he the one who doesn’t mind a drop?

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          sophocles

          … not a drop, mostly by the bottle. There’s a youtube video of Jean Claude Junker in full … stagger.

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        yarpos

        Being from Luxembourg he probably doesnt have much sense of having a real national identity one can love.

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      Kneel

      Should have just said “The peasants are revolting!”

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      theRealUniverse

      If Britain actually leaves, thatll be the end of the EU and the diktators in Brussels. Thats why the philibustering (ridiculous demands from the EU politburo) is going on to delay stop it.
      Search YouTube for Farage’s video.

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    Roy Hogue

    What a marvellous idea. Really, I think it’s the best thing since the first wind turbine bravely faced the breeze and began to transform the landscape, the power grid and Australian politics.

    I’m always eager to help so I signed the petition and encouraged several friends to do the same.

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      Roy Hogue

      And I don’t even live in Australia.

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        sophocles

        Ssh! Neither do I. I’m about to sign it so if you don’t tell Roy,
        I won’t either :-)

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          Roy Hogue

          I suspect that most of the citizens of Warringah will not be reading this blog, so including you, me and the entire skeptical world, I don’t know a soul who would tell on you. I think you’re safe.

          I know nothing of this polling outfit but they seem to be in the business of conducting polls to order. As I sit here now I’m hoping that Jo’s rather large non Australian audience will all sign the petition. Besides rubbing their loss into their face from Aussie voters, a show of solidarity around the world would probably be good.

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    Amadeus

    It appears that Warringah’s new “Chicken Little” MP is part of the Northern Beaches dumb and dumber brigade for whom global climate and weather is beyond their comprehension. They all need to stop believing what they saw in the Tom Hanks movie “Joe Vs The Volcano”. Chicken Little really is yet another leftie with “…do as I say, not as I do…”. It seems the virtues of solar panelling doesn’t even include installing them on her own house….oooops!

    The chances of windmills from Manly to Newport is somewhere between ZERO and NIL as the area is renowned for its middle-to-upperclass nimbies.
    Mind you, a coal fired power station wouldn’t go astray on the crown land at Narrabeen. This would provide the 98% of base-load power needed to support the tilting windmills and solar panels in the electorate and save rate payers millions in not having to buy back-up diesel generators and fuel them….for when the sun doesn’t shine and the wind isn’t blowing.

    You just have to love the left hypocrites…. completely dead in the water and still hyperventilating that they must save us from their climate emergency.

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      OriginalSteve

      The great mystery is how people with so much money are so clueless.

      How does that work?

      Surely you have to have a few brains to make a buck or two…..

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        Sceptical Sam

        Nope. Otherwise all people who comment here on Jo’s site would be multi-millionaires.

        I suspect they’re not.

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          Annie

          Too right! We are not and live on pensions, despite my husband’s years and years of honest hard work, we are not multi or even singularly, millionaires, ‘rolling in it’. It would be handy if we were and could afford to employ someone to do the work here that we cannot cope with!

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            sophocles

            The World Bank’s and the IMF’s missions “are to cure poverty.”
            The trouble is, they seem to deem mere millionaires to be poverty-stricken billionaires so we can’t expect to receive any trickle-down effect until they have sufficiently honed their policies to correct this parlous economic state.

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        yarpos

        If havent read it already look up Maslows Hierarchy of Needs.

        Its not about being rich or intelligent or not, its just basic human behaviour.

        Once the basics like safety, food , shelter, health are secured (usually with money) humans tend toward “self actualisation” being the best they can be and to looking after externalities like the world environment. Ever noticed where all the life coaches, yoga studios and all the Green seats are?

        Climate change is ideal for these people to segue smoothly into and feel good about themselves and how they have grown. Its why they are so smug and superior when talking down to the masses who havent reached their stage of enlightenment.

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      theRealUniverse

      Suggest a big new shiny mega nuclear power plant right on the water front..Id sign that one!
      I have just signed the windfart one too FYI.

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    pat

    stupid ABC says stupid people voted for the Coalition; already planning for a Labor win next time!

    24 May: ABC: Inside Scott Morrison’s Trump-like election victory
    By Stephen Long
    (Stephen Long is an investigative reporter covering business and finance for the ABC)
    When “The Donald” defied the polls and the pundits to win the 2016 presidential election, disenfranchised blue collar workers and people on low incomes ***without (sic) less formal education swung the race his way.
    “ScoMo’s” unexpected success showed the same pattern.

    “In essence, this was the Australian electoral version of Donald Trump’s victory,” says Benito Cao, lecturer in politics at the University of Adelaide…
    Electorates that swung hardest to the Liberal and National parties on a two-party preferred basis had a higher share of voters on low incomes, ***with low educational attainment, and higher levels of unemployment.

    “Low income, ***low education and ***Christian religion were all features of electorates which swung to the Coalition,” says Professor Ben Phillips, an economic modelling specialist from the ANU…

    Another explanation is that swinging voters in electorates characterised by low incomes and ***low educational attainment succumbed to a scare campaign…

    Does it stick with policies to tackle climate change that have taken it to within striking distance urban electorates that were once Liberal Party strongholds, or wind them back to appease the voters of the Queensland coal districts?…

    The ALP needs to pick up five seats from the Coalition to form government — and of the five most marginal Coalition seats it needs to win, none are in Queensland.
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-24/scott-morrisons-trump-like-election-victory/11145406

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      Hasbeen

      “Another explanation is that swinging voters in electorates characterised by low incomes and ***low educational attainment succumbed to a scare campaign…”

      God that’s rich from one of the mob who have been riding the Global warming scare campaign for years, on their own private gravy train.

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        Annie

        How d@mned rude of them. I deeply resent the attitude of the ABC. It just hardens my resolve to stand up for what is right and sensible.
        Deplorable Annie.

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          sophocles

          I’m keen to see the results of the EUMP elections in the next day or so. In a way, the Oz elections mirrored the polls for the UK Brexit Party: a result of anger from being patronised.

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      yarpos

      Maybe a degree in Lesbian Dance Studies would have helped them understand the nuances of Labor Campaign and how totally realistic their plans where. Sigh, we will never know.

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      John in Oz

      I wonder who voted Labor in the last time they won.

      Labor are well known to buy votes from the unemployed, welfare-dependent strata of society.

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    TdeF

    Slightly off topic but amazing, the change in the world now that we control even total atmospheric CO2 with our remarkable Windmills which have done absolutely NOTHING to CO2 but we can’t wait to build more and ruin more landscapes for no identifiable reason. Here’s the hours long queue to be on the top of Mt. Everest, now a bucket list item in a world we control. In fact the queue caused two deaths. The world really needs a windmill on the top of Mt. Everest as a testimony to Man’s folly. Then a hotel. Then an elevator and sun deck and paragliding platform and helicopter deck.

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    pat

    another Nationalist – who loves his country – defies attempts by FakeNewsMSM, especially BBC, and wins BIGLY:

    24 May: ABC: Narendra Modi’s stunning election victory in India shows nationalism trumped policy for voters
    By South Asia correspondent Siobhan Heanue in New Delhi
    Mr Modi and his Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) won a second term with an increased majority.
    That has stunned political commentators who were expecting a reduced majority or a minority and Coalition government.
    Instead, the BJP won about six times the number of seats as India’s main opposition party, the Indian National Congress, even winning districts where it has never held sway before.
    It’s a thumping mandate.
    It’s also a tidal wave of populism, trumping policy…
    Congress leader Rahul Gandhi failed to make an impression in the physical or digital world, with critics calling him lacklustre.
    His routing was so complete he even lost his seat in Uttar Pradesh state to a former TV actress who ran for the BJP.
    While Mr Gandhi appeals to parts of India’s established elite and intellectual classes, Mr Modi has the common touch…
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-24/india-election-narendra-modi-victory-shows-voters-chose-populism/11142954

    23 May: BBC: Partial and declared results show Mr Modi’s BJP is projected to win 300 seats on its own, and combined with the party’s allies, this number reaches nearly 350. The main opposition Congress party is expected to win fewer than 60…

    24 May: EconomicTimesIndia: Election Results Highlights: BJP sweeps most of India; Modi dedicates victory to people
    NDA likely to break it’s own 2014 record, set to become the only non-Cong govt in the history to return to power.
    The alliance has crossed the majority mark of 272 and is moving towards 350 seats mark out of the total 542 Lok Sabha seats…
    BJP has even bettered its show this time as its vote share in several states, including Madhya Pradesh, Chhattisgarh, Rajasthan, Gujarat and Haryana, was well over 50 per cent, nothing short of a statistical wonder in Indian electoral history.

    7 Apr: ABC: India’s caste system could play a pivotal role in this week’s upcoming elections — here’s how
    By Tasha Wibawa
    Analysts warn Mr Modi’s historic victory will be difficult to replicate due to his waning popularity — particularly among rural workers — as well as eruptions of caste-based violence and a series of broken election promises.
    His main rival in the upcoming elections is Indian National Congress party leader Rahul Gandhi, a Brahmin descended from India’s most powerful political lineage, the Nehru-Gandhi family, who claims that Mr Modi has been segmenting Indians based on their caste…

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      pat

      meant to begin with:

      defies attempts by FakeNewsMSM, especially BBC, TO STOP HIM, and wins BIGLY.

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    Zali could think to herself, hey what a great idea, and start looking around for companies to actually construct them, and keep in mind that she’s so gung ho on renewables that she doesn’t even have solar panels on her own roof!

    Then wait and see how many people come out to protest the construction of them.

    I would absolutely dwarf the ‘Get Tony’ campaign.

    I only need think of Cape Wind in Nantucket Sound in Massachusetts, originally first proposed in the late 90s, and then finally canned in late 2017, after 20 years of trying.

    Perhaps in one of the most prestigious areas of the North East, and the holiday centre for the mega rich, Cape Wind was beset on every front from those people in the main, and even Teddy Kennedy protested it.

    I first wrote about Cape Wind as part of my original Kyoto Series back in May of 2008 at the link below. (and it’s half way down the text for that Post)

    Kyoto – A Perspective (part 29)

    Nimbyism is what got Tony Abbott.

    Nimbyism will see no wind towers anywhere near Warringah.

    Tony.

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    Reed Coray

    Joanne, I’ll sign if you think it will do any good for a non-Australian to sign. But I don’t want to weaken the gesture.

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      Another Ian

      You need to be of investigative mind and try them.

      So far the Canadian ones that come up in SDA as “needing help” have been quite happy with votes from Oz.

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    robert rosicka

    Zali is depriving a village of an idiot somewhere .

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      Another Ian

      Saving the village without destroying it.

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      sophocles

      Zali is depriving a village of an idiot

      Maybe that village is just so happy with Zali’s consideration that it won’t want Zali back?

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    MarkMcD

    I signed… Comments were:

    REASON FOR SIGNING
    1. It’s ideal for a wind farm location.
    2. It’s a high-usage area so needs to have many more renewable options.
    3. Zali needs to show she lives by what she preaches.

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    pat

    23 May: Daily Mail: Could they be any more out of touch? How the ABC claimed the environment was voters’ number one issue ahead of the election – before jobs and the economy won it for Scott Morrison
    •The corporation claimed its poll was ‘properly representative of the population’
    By Charlie Moore
    The ABC has come under fire for claiming that climate change was voters’ number one issue three days before climate-championing Labor was smashed at the polls.
    ABC News last week said that a survey on its website, the vote compass, had found the environment was most voters’ main concern.
    The corporation claimed its poll was ‘properly representative of the population’ – but later admitted its readers did not represent the whole electorate.

    In an article (***LINK) on Monday after the election, the ABC said those answering the survey were a ‘self-selecting sample’…
    The corporation claimed it ‘weighted’ the responses to make the survey representative…

    Labor – which refused to give a straight answer about Queensland’s Adani coal mine as they courted Green votes in the inner suburbs – was left without a single seat north of Brisbane…
    Daily Mail Australia has contacted the ABC for comment.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7061023/Out-touch-ABC-claimed-environment-voters-number-one-issue.html

    ***above links to ABC piece by Matt McDonald, associate professor in the School of Political Science and International Studies at the University of Queensland, who claims the Warringah result was consistent with a “post-materialist” sensibility!!! lol.

    (EXCERPT) In Warringah, not only was the LNP’s position on climate change inconsistent with the views of most in this constituency, but Mr Abbott was (rightly) seen as the chief architect of an extended period of climate inaction in Australia…
    Mr Abbott’s re-election was, in short, a bridge too far for his constituency.
    But in this case and in other inner-city seats, support for climate action looks broadly consistent with a ***’post-materialist’ sensibility…

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    James Murphy

    More wind turbines, and make sure they isolate themselves from the grid. I’d vote for that.

    I made the mistake of looking at the “reasons for signing” on the “Australia: Declare a climate emergency” petition… I think It may cause brain damage to read too many.
    https://www.change.org/p/scott-morrison-declare-a-climate-emergency

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    pat

    oh dear:

    23 May: Rolling Stone: Is Streaming Music Dangerous to the Environment? One Researcher Is Sounding the Alarm
    New study suggests streaming music leads to at least 200 to 350 million kilograms of greenhouse gas emissions
    by Jon Blistein
    The study estimates that music consumption in the 2000s resulted in the emission of approximately 157 million kilograms of greenhouse gas equivalents; now the amount of GHGs generated by the energy needed to transmit music for streaming is estimated to be between 200 and 350 million kilograms.

    (University of Oslo professor Kyle) Devine, who will publish his findings in a new book Decomposed this October via MIT Press, conducted his research on streaming using data from the Recording Industry Association of America for 2015 and 2016. He averaged the number of songs streamed and downloaded in those years and factored it with the amount of electricity it takes to download one gigabyte of data, which at the time was roughly equivalent to the amount of electricity it takes a standard lightbulb to shine for an hour. Devine then used Greenpeace’s “Click Clean Scorecard” to find what kinds of energy were being used to power streaming sites — coal, nuclear, gas or renewable — and used the average amount of carbon dioxide equivalents created by each to create an approximate picture of greenhouse gas emissions in the streaming era…

    “The amount that people are streaming and downloading is increasing at such a rate that they may outweigh any gains in the efficiency of the system,” Devine says. “This is just in the U.S. and once we take into account places where streaming is huge — China, or Africa or India — places where there are less stringent requirements on the generation of power for the internet, I don’t have those numbers, but my sense is the picture gets even uglier.”…
    https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/environmental-impact-streaming-music-835220/

    very lengthy, but worth noting as it’s being picked up elsewhere (photos don’t work for me):

    22 May: ProPublica: An (even more) inconvenient truth
    Why Carbon Credits For Forest Preservation May Be Worse Than Nothing
    By Lisa Song, with additional reporting by Paula Moura
    “Offsets themselves are doing damage,” said Larry Lohmann, who has spent 20 years studying carbon credits. While we’re sitting here counting carbon and moving it around, more CO₂ keeps accumulating in the atmosphere, he said.

    It’s “the worst possible idea — except for everything else,” said Timothy Searchinger, a Princeton researcher who studies land use and climate change. “If we had enough money, it could probably help a lot.”…
    https://features.propublica.org/brazil-carbon-offsets/inconvenient-truth-carbon-credits-dont-work-deforestation-redd-acre-cambodia/

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    Elgorza Narce

    At last Australia has caught up to Canada and we now have our own Climate Barbie !!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKMO2H-ffkA

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    robert rosicka

    Looks like more lefties taking to the street in Melbourne.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-24/climate-protesters-flood-melbournes-cbd/11145648

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    George4

    Was watching 4 corners about the campaign to oust Tony Abbott.
    One of the main instigators was Angus Gemmell, a solar farm developer based on Manly.
    Apparently there is a bunch of solar companies in Manly.
    No wonder some of the inner city electorates vote green.
    Half of them are on the take.

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    robert rosicka

    I’m hearing May has had enough and is resigning on the 7th of June , looks like the Poms will get Brexit after all .

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      George4

      It will be interesting to see the result of the European Parliament elections with Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party.
      They voted on Thursday but the result is not announced til Sunday.
      Hopefully it will help them achieve Brexit.

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      George4

      It will be interesting to see the result of the European Parliament elections with Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party.
      They voted on Thursday but the result is not announced til Sunday.
      Hopefully it will help them achieve Brexit.

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        Annie

        Actually, Monday as far as I know. Other countries are voting today, Saturday and Sunday, so no results until after all have voted.
        Go for it Nigel Farage and The Brexit Party.

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    ivan

    How did all those protestors catch an uber after the die in??

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    Zane

    If not for Queensland and WA, Commissar Bill would now be ruling Australia. We didn’t dodge a bullet, we dodged a cruise missile… Narrowly. It’s the lucky country, orright.

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    John

    Please please, if alarmists can change the language so can sceptics.
    Windmills have nothing to do with farming, they are not wind farms, they are WIND PLANTS.

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      AndyG55

      INDUSTRIAL Wind Plants, often built on prime land or once-was-wilderness,

      that only operates at around 20% efficiency at irregular and erratic intervals.

      Any REAL industrial complex that had that sort of inefficiency would be in liquidation quick smart…

      … As the industrial wind farms would be if mandated feed-in and subsidies were removed.

      Already happening to solar industrial sites.

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    Cherie Forbes

    Why not ban SUVs while we can in WArringah. Only bikes allowed. Windmills on the beaches and headlands killing those pesky birds.

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    MARINA

    The wind turbines are great idea but that then leads to noise pollution…………..
    Practice what you preach.
    Checking out at the store, the young cashier suggested to the much older lady that she should bring her own grocery bags, because plastic bags are not good for the environment.
    The woman apologized to the young girl and explained, “We didn’t have this ‘green thing’ back in my earlier days.”

    The young clerk responded, “That’s our problem today. Your generation did not care enough to save our environment for future generations.”

    The older lady said that she was right — our generation didn’t have the “green thing” in its day. The older lady went on to explain:
    Back then, we returned milk bottles, soda bottles and beer bottles to the store. The store sent them back to the plant to be washed and sterilized and refilled, so it could use the same bottles over and over. So they really were recycled. But we didn’t have the “green thing” back in our day.

    Grocery stores bagged our groceries in brown paper bags that we reused for numerous things. Most memorable besides household garbage bags was the use of brown paper bags as book covers for our school books. This was to ensure that public property (the books provided for our use by the school) was not defaced by our scribblings. Then we were able to personalize our books on the brown paper bags. But, too bad we didn’t do the “green thing” back then.
    We walked up stairs because we didn’t have an escalator in every store and office building. We walked to the grocery store and didn’t climb into a 300-horsepower machine every time we had to go two blocks.

    But she was right. We didn’t have the “green thing” in our day.

    Back then we washed the baby’s diapers because we didn’t have the throw away kind. We dried clothes on a line, not in an energy-gobbling machine burning up 220 volts. Wind and solar power really did dry our clothes back in our early days. Kids got hand-me-down clothes from their brothers or sisters, not always brand-new clothing.

    But that young lady is right; we didn’t have the “green thing” back in our day.
    Back then we had one TV, or radio, in the house — not a TV in every room. And the TV had a small screen the size of a handkerchief (remember them?), not a screen the size of the state of Montana. In the kitchen we blended and stirred by hand because we didn’t have electric machines to do everything for us. When we packaged a fragile item to send in the mail, we used wadded up old newspapers to cushion it, not Styrofoam or plastic bubble wrap. Back then, we didn’t fire up an engine and burn gasoline just to cut the lawn. We used a push mower that ran on human power. We exercised by working so we didn’t need to go to a health club to run on treadmills that operate on electricity.

    But she’s right; we didn’t have the “green thing” back then.

    We drank from a fountain when we were thirsty instead of using a cup or a plastic bottle every time we had a drink of water. We refilled writing pens with ink instead of buying a new pen, and we replaced the razor blade in a r azor instead of throwing away the whole razor just because the blade got dull.

    But we didn’t have the “green thing” back then.

    Back then, people took the streetcar or a bus and kids rode their bikes to school or walked instead of turning their moms into a 24-hour taxi service in the family’s $45,000 SUV or van, which cost what a whole house did before the”green thing.” We had one electrical outlet in a room, not an entire bank of sockets to power a dozen appliances. And we didn’t need a computerized gadget to receive a signal beamed from satellites 23,000 miles out in space in order to find the nearest burger joint.

    But isn’t it sad the current generation laments how wasteful we old folks were just because we didn’t have the “green thing” back then?

    Please forward this on to another selfish old person who needs a lesson in conservation from a smart ass young person.

    We don’t like being old in the first place, so it doesn’t take much to piss us off… Especially from a tattooed, multiple pierced smartass who can’t make change without the cash register telling them how much.

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    Dennett Whiteman

    Please add my name to the petition.
    7 golf courses in Warringah.
    One wind turbine per fairway.
    That’s 18 x 7 = 126 Wind turbines.
    Zali that must be of great help to your cause.

    [Click the link near the bottom of Jo's explanation and it will take you to where you can add your name.] AZ

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    Ken Broad

    How can I sign petition
    To me it is common sense to have power close to users not out in the bush

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