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Jo nova explaining how to Destroy Electricity Grids in Munich — Oslo — London

Laugh at madness of the Climate Follies Downunder

I’m delighted to be speaking in Europe and the UK

 How to Destroy a Perfectly Good Electricity Grid in Three Complicated Steps

It takes skill, money and blind faith to trash decades of good engineering.

Find out how to achieve state-wide blackouts, flying squads of diesel generators, and a tripling of wholesale electricity prices in just five years. Admire the virtue signalling ambition of a nation that controls just 1.5% of human emissions yet is trying to change the global weather by sacrificing its largest export earner and main source of electricity.

Australia once had some of the cheapest electricity in the world to one of the most expensive, even though it has more coal and uranium per person than almost any place on Earth. As renewables go in everywhere, businesses are closing. Even in a sunny and windy nation, seductive free “clean” energy turned out to be a poisonous gift because of all the hidden costs. Hospitals are turning off “spare” lights. Retailers are paying customers not to use electricity and national assets that took two generations to build are being blown up.

The quest to stop storms in 2100 leaves a trail of political turmoil — it has already unseated three Prime Ministers and yet there is no solution in sight.

It’s a mix of engineering, economics, politics and psychology. We talk duck curves, frequency, and dissect the spectacle of a modern industrial nation unravelling at the seams. How much further can it…

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203 comments to Jo nova explaining how to Destroy Electricity Grids in Munich — Oslo — London

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    Sweet Old Bob

    Will this ever sink in to the populace ?
    How long will it take ?

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      Sean

      It sinks in really quickly when the bills arrive. Why do you think it’s necessary to demolish the old coal fired plants as quickly as possible?

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        Robdel

        No it is when the lights go out. Until then people will pay their ever increasing electricity bills and keep on complaining. But when there are long electrical blackouts the real revolt will start.

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          GD

          Until then people will pay their ever increasing electricity bills and keep on complaining.

          Except for those many thousands who have had their power disconnected because they couldn’t pay their power bills.

          It’s a bit hard for these people to complain when they don’t have a charged phone or an internet connection. They could march in the streets but most likely they’re too busy clearing rotten food out of their fridges and freezers and lining up for charity meals with the homeless.

          The alarmists have a lot to answer for.

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        Bill In Oz

        I was hoping that would be the case Sean. But no it does not work unfortunately.

        My retired younger brother spent the past Winter shivering in his cold apartment and staying in bed during the day to stay warm, because he could afford to heat it. He’s now overweight & has reduced fitness and health, as a consequence.

        But he is a complete CO2 causes Climate Change fanatic.

        When I mention the extraordinary power bills I have because i choose to stay warm at home this past Winter, he angrily dismisses me as a climate change denier…

        He’s on a mission to save the planet, even if it kills him and the rest of us as well.

        Now that fanaticism..And it needs to be named. I have started calling it “Greenism” and it’s adherents “Greenists”

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        Gerry, England

        They blew up Didcot in the UK at 5am to avoid too many witnesses.

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      Dennis

      Unfortunately too many Australians have fallen for the “transition to renewable energy” sales and marketing tactic and do not have the expertise to understand unreliable, intermittent or cost benefit.

      And they seem to accept “carbon pollution” is from coal and that carbon dioxide emissions must be stopped.

      None consider Environmental Protection Agencies and related laws against pollution.

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        OriginalSteve

        They will accept it until one of their relatives dies due to a power black out….

        Its a very slick con-job all this, aided by the fact the average australian is way too trusting but also a bit disengaged from politics.

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        Environment Skeptic

        “carbon Dioxide must be stopped”….
        Also,…Oroville Lake/Dam California must be stopped from failing again, (modelers did not take into account the significantly above average snow melt and precipitation) as it did in 2017, due to excess water from snow and precipitation

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      PeterS

      It will sink in eventually but not until the crash and burn scenario plays out. It’s just the way it is with the vast majority of the people. At the moment both major parties are on a unity ticket on two of the major hot spots; immigration and reducing our CO2 emissions. Until a leader steps forward and breaks that nexus we will continue to slide into the abyss.

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        Bill In Oz

        Well Morrison has changed his mind and now wants to reduce the number of migrants.
        Is that a sign of hope ?

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          PeterS

          No. It’s just talk at the moment – as usual. He says he can hear the complaints by the people but he is not acting. It’s the same with emissions and power. He listens but is like a stunned mullet and is fearful of doing anything to upset his chances of winning the next election. He doesn’t as yet realise if he does announce a major cut in immigration it would boost his chances of winning. Same goes with announcing leaving Paris and dumping renewables subsidies and the like. He has only a few months for the messages to sink into his thick skull. Only time will tell if they do. Even then it depends on whether enough people are awake to notice or even care such a change would postpone our crash and burn. Far too many just don’t give a damn. So we get the government we deserve as usual.

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            Graeme No.3

            PeterS:

            Perhaps he could campaign as the head of the Stunned Mullet Party and claim truth in advertising?

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              PeterS

              Both major parties should attend holding hands. They deserve each other. After all Turnbull succeeded in turning about half the LNP into another ALP. Still I have a little bit of (probably false) hope that Morrison will get his act together and break the nexus. Time will tell of course, and it won’t be long.

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                Dennis

                Do not forget that the union movement seized control of the ALP about the same time that Turnbull with his Black Hand faction seized control of the Liberal Party, around 1990s. In The Bulletin magazine in 2006 journalist Max Walsh wrote about the “corporate-style takeover” of Labor by the unions and that trained union executives were being placed in safe Labor electorate seats. He wrote that their main objective was to control our governments, federal and state.

                Consider too how close Turnbull is to Labor past and present. And that his ambitions include a merger of Labor with Liberal after wrecking the Nationals and getting rid of Liberals who are traditional Menzies Australian Liberal Party conservatives, centre of politics. He wants a single powerful governing party in Canberra with minor party opposition. And he wants an Australian Republic (as Merkel and Macron want a European Republic), and the excuse to make major changes to our Constitution which contains inconvenient legal deterrents to politicians who want to manipulate us for their own purposes, eg; to impose foreign treaties, UN Treaties, without asking the people via referendum.

                We the people have been fooled by the two party system pretending to offer alternatives in government, a cooperative of left leaning politicians.

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                Dennis

                With no Cooperative of politicians, if there was a real opposition standing up to government, constitutional law would prevail, no Section 44 dual citizenship scandal burial for example.

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                Kinky Keith

                Dennis at 131111.

                I like it.

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            Bushkid

            Sadly Peter S, we get the government THEY deserve.

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            PeterS

            Just to expand on what I mean we get the government we deserve. At the end of the day it’s up to the voters to wake up and act accordingly when filling in their ballot papers. Otherwise, we will continue to slide down the slippery slope and ultimately crash and burn since career politicians will become more and more prevalent and sinister as they are left to do what they want. History is full of examples how this is ALWAYS the ultimate consequence when people don’t give a damn and so doing nothing about it except perhaps whinge and whine.

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          Just Thinkin'

          Mr Flip-Flop learnt a lot from chairman mal….

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      sophocles

      It will sink in when the larger population goes hungry. Hunger is what always causes mass demonstrations and mob behaviour. Look back at the so-called `Arab Spring’ of only a few years ago and it’s regime changes. The lessons are there.

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    Turnbull’s political assassination of Abbott will been seen as the despicable act that relegated a thriving country into third world misery.
    Morrison can still stop this but I am afraid won’t.
    There are too many political people making money out of the rapidly waning quality of life of our vulnerable in our once decent society.
    The tragedy is it is based on a fraud.
    Worse still they know it is.

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      PeterS

      Morrison is effectively another Turnbull. All talk and no action. Unless he changes dramatically, and I see very little sign of it ever happening, we will have Shorten as PM simply because too many are sick and tired of the same old doublespeak coming from career politicians. Howard lost the election when things were still go reasonably well because people wanted a change for the sake of change and to a certain extent were getting bored with the good times. Now things are much worse and people will punish the LNP if it continues the way it’s going. I hope it dies a miserable death for dumping its original liberal values. We need a new party.

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        yarpos

        After things have been going well people think we can afford more free stuff which the left loves to promise, they get in and eventually wreck the joint (and yes I acknowledge the occasional positive change along the way) , then people wake up and vote the right back in to fix things.

        Rinse and repeat, up till now. Now it seems we have no body left standing in the fixer camp.

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        Bobl

        Morrison is an appeaser he will try to appease those who want the subsidies gone with platitudes while fiddling at the edges of energy/immigration to avoid losing any support. Problem is that not losing support won’t win the election he needs to act boldly to reposition the libs at the centre of the conservative / libertarian axis otherwise they won’t bring support in from one nation and Cory. This means, dump Paris, complete corporate tax cut, ditch the ret and other green tape, add hele coal power, reduce fuel tax and repeal 18c and other overreach like the anti shooting & fishing laws. Oh they could also denounce gay propaganda in schools, and affirm Christianity’s right to exist.

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    Not accidental, not unintended, not a blunder. Yes, there’s the comical aspect. Yes, there’s the opportunity for quick plunder by the shabbiest touts and mountebanks. But no, that’s not the purpose. Plunder and silliness are too human. The actual purpose is inhuman.

    Sustainable Development, Agendas 21 and 30, Open Society, Common Purpose are all real movements and institutions, funded as generously by banksters as was Bolshevism. (Bolshevism and Trotskyism were not wanted by the many, they were engineered by elites.)

    Could not be clearer. The challenge is not how to make globalists understand. They understand perfectly. The challenge is how to root out their foulness with speed and resolve.

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      Dennis

      Foreign UN Treaties implemented and the Australian Constitution requirement for referendum to give the people a say is ignored, which could only happen with both sides of politics acting like a cooperative.

      In other words no real opposition to government.

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    Don B

    Remember: When our distant ancestors lived in caves their energy was 100% renewables.

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      OriginalSteve

      Dr Valentina Zharkova warning of close ice age

      http://www.iceagefarmer.com/2018/11/08/dr-valentina-zharkova-warning-of-global-cooling-food-scarcity-in-grand-solar-minimum-2018/

      “Professor Valentina Zharkova gave a presentation of her Climate and the Solar Magnetic Field hypothesis at the Global Warming Policy Foundation in October, 2018.

      Principal component analysis (PCA) of the solar background magnetic field observed from the Earth, revealed four pairs of dynamo waves, the pair with the highest eigen values are called principal components (PCs).

      PCs are shown to be produced by magnetic dipoles in inner and outer layers of the Sun, while the second pair of waves is assumed produced by quadruple magnetic sources and so on. The PC waves produced by a magnetic dipole and their summary curve were described analytically and shown to be closely related to the average sunspot number index used for description of solar activity.

      Based on this correlation, the summary curve was used for the prediction of long-term solar activity on a millennial timescale. This prediction revealed the presence of a grand cycle of 350-400 years, with a remarkable resemblance to the sunspot and terrestrial activity features reported in the past millennia: Maunder (grand) Minimum (1645-1715), Wolf (grand) minimum (1200), Oort (grand) minimum (1010-1050), Homer (grand) minimum (800-900 BC); the medieval (900-1200) warm period, Roman (400-10BC) and other warm periods.

      This approach also predicts the modern grand minimum upcoming in 2020-2055.”

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        sophocles

        OS:
        Professor Zharkova’s presentation (the one you which you have embedded) is really interesting. I take it you watched it in full?

        Here are some more relevant URLs:
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiIPBnZCmVk Exact Dates Given for Grand Solar Minimum Cooling Globally, IPCC Tries to Suppress Research [2016] (COP 24 in 2018 must NOT hear any bad news! Just intense propaganda…)

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEJ2bBpy7pk Valentina Zharkova One of the Most IMPORTANT GSM Interviews EVER

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Um6R7AW3jmg Global Cooling Research Part 1
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDLt9EtWnK0 Global Cooling Research Part 2
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RYvNsUnMPE Global Cooling Research Part 3 of more

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpJYsZMQGac Solar Researchers Try to Warn About Global Food Shortages (748)

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RYvNsUnMPE Symptoms Of Global Warming And Global Cooling Are the same; Tony Heller.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeXyACg6ZGc Spudpocalypse: Worst Harvest Ever * Russia Moves Farms Indoors for Grand Solar Minimum [November 2018] …

        Of course with COP24 any day now, (or under way, or over … I haven’t been watching for it) the IPCC has been trying very hard to have some of these removed. They allegedly wrote to the Royal Society to have Zharkova’s work deleted/removed. There will be more attempts but we will soon be able to use them, the Institute for Climate Catastrophe, as the world’s largest laughing stock. I look forward to that.

        What diplomats don’t seem to realize is that you can deny a bulldozer is any threat for as long as you like… until it runs over you.

        Our Troll’s Rave Fave website or Trollheim, Skeptical Science, is, very reluctantly, noticing the declining solar activity. Their World Notorious … ah … Famous Klimate Scientist of Grauniad authorship fame, Dearest Dana, claims the GSM will cause only 0.3 °C fall in temperatures. Better scientists (those with real PhDs) are saying we can expect c. 5°C so prepare your barbs, and slings and arrows of outrageous (outraged?) fortune(angst?) for Cookie Boy and his fellow SS cross-dressers as you prepare to stay warm and feed yourselves.

        You can find a lot more without looking too hard.
        These are just a few … Enjoy.

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    Latus Dextro

    Australia (and New Zealand) guard their national borders and security with overt and unbridled enthusiasm – just think bio-security, x-raying incoming passenger baggage, dogs, wands and the like. Passport control is vigorous and intense, jokes and facetiousness at your dire peril.

    In general however, economic security is open to the vagaries of politicians, ideologues, do-gooders, and the hoi-polloi, and in particular to the eco-Marxists and their corporatist globalist friends. Similarly, the traditions, customs and culture of Australians (and New Zealanders) is actively submerged into the gray divisive, exclusive, unequal matrix of globalism, that pan-theistic and ill-defined cultural melange founded on identity politics, political correctness and cultural Marxism.

    It appears all too abundantly clear what works and what doesn’t. Economies and cultures have been weakened, while borders remain sound.
    But not for much longer.

    Within a short time most countries may lose firm control of their borders as they agreeably virtue-signal their way to border insecurity through the euphemistically termed non-binding UN Intergovernmental Global Compact for Migration (UN GCM), which will do to border security what the UNEP, IPCC, UNFCCC and ECOSOC have done to energy, economic and cultural security. The UN GCM is is intended for adoption in December 2018.

    The key sentinels of Western civilisation, prosperity and tradition — economic, cultural (with its customs and traditions) and border security have collectively been rendered porous and weakened. They are being replaced by the impermeable four walled prison and straitjacket of authoritarian governance, administration, education and media dissemination, conducted and propagated in the interests of Rainbow Cult globalism.

    If the people don’t come to their senses the degradation will continue to its inevitable unpleasant end.
    Getting back to the future so to speak, may take more than several generations.

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    Mark M

    Prepare for more or less climate climate stupidity …

    Newcastle students set to join national strike for action on climate change

    “From where I live, I can almost see the world’s largest coal port,” Miette said.

    Once you do the research … it’s an international emergency. It needs to be fixed.

    “It makes me angry, and scared and upset.”

    Students as young as five are joining in on the action as the campaign gains momentum across the nation.

    Strikes are been organised by students via social media.

    https://www.newcastlestar.com.au/story/5759147/students-to-strike-on-climate/?src=rss

    Here is the twitter feed … https://twitter.com/StrikeClimate

    The teachers must be so proud.

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      AndyG55

      Students on strike?

      SO WHAT !!!

      Especially in November/December, teachers will be glad they are elsewhere.

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      AndyG55

      “Once you do the research … it’s an international emergency.”

      No petal, Once you do actually do the research, you find it is a total NON-EVENT !!

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      Phillthegeek

      Whatever the issue, its interesting the coming voters getting active.

      Interesting to follow some of the stuff in the US on the young voters mobilising over gun control as well.

      Them thar demographics are changin as the oldies die off and minorities are no longer. :)

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        Graeme No.3

        Yes, as many as 12% of them voted.

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        AndyG55

        The area of Newcastle that feeds Newcastle High is equivalent to a loonie Adam Bandt type “greenie” area, devoid of any reality outside their protected little existence.

        I taught there as a casual once a long time ago.

        Full of pretentious little know-it-all prima-donna prats.

        You would feel right at home, phloop.

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          philthegeek

          Yr gads. A puerile twit like you a teacher? Well,,there goes the education system…… :(

          Both of you settle down please~! – Jo

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        el gordo

        Millennials are already a spent force on US gun control, the whole place is a wild west town, armed to the teeth in expectation of a British invasion.

        ‘… and minorities are no longer.’

        Imminent global cooling will have a devastating effect on the body politic and marginalise the green left.

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          Latus Dextro

          Imminent global cooling will have a devastating effect on the body politic and marginalise the green left.

          I am watching Australia inexorably descend to the insanity of the Mad Max genre and I am haunted by righteous indignation and anger.

          Should the solar minimum engender savage cooling, those that perpetrated and collaborated in the UN eco-scam of climatism, whether arm-chair environmentalists or paid-for-play scientivists, stupid students, bored housewives whether male, female or LGBTQ, latte-intellectuals, all SHOULD BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE for betraying, delaying, subverting and stealing Western prosperity and liberty, those very things that enabled their rabid dysfunction and yet, in a Mad Max world would be the very things guaranteed to enhance the rapidity of a miserable demise.

          They know not what they wish for.

          And yet, the mushroom numpties still incomprehensibly vote for the globalist Left or Right.
          Words fail me.

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            el gordo

            There won’t be prosecutions because of the ‘precautionary principle’, but we can ruin their careers with a Royal Commission.

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            OriginalSteve

            Well one thing I do know, most of them are ignorant of bushcraft and campcraft, and in a grid-down situation, would die off rapidly from basic stuff like lack of knowledge of sanitation and survival. Most of them will try and stay in cities, and as cities will become lethal and anarchic, you only need a few cops killed to have unrestrained use of firearms by the thugs ( or the thugs are given guns by the gloablists). Its at that stage knowkledge and use of man traps and other manner of protective knowledge will come into play that will make the difference.

            The difference between civilisation and anarchy, is 3 missed mortgage payments and/or starving kids.

            If it goes south, get out of the large cities. Get a licence and get a gun *now * while you can would be my suggestion. I suspect many cops will be told to start confiscating guns under order of the globalists, until it gets too dangerous, then they will sit back and let the thugs attempt to cull the good guys by stopping people leave the cities.

            I can see a Mad Max scenario happening if the globalists want it to, you just need to make sure you arent the road kill.

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              Kinky Keith

              I know that your comment is just a thought provoker, but the behaviour of public figures is so far off beam that the warning is highly relevant.

              While driving this arvo I listened to my barometer for how the world is doing: their ABC.

              Two female professors, aren’t they all, were interviewed by a female control person about the immigration thing. The topic was thoroughly Verbalised until all three had a mutual conclusion that the Liberals were immoral and should not be re-elected.
              It seems that the practicalities are not important, the issue will always be how they FEEL about the topic.

              Dog please help us.

              KK

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        beowulf

        The thing about young voters is that they grow older and wiser.

        In growing old, many gain life experience which breeds independent thought and inoculates them mentally against the BS thrust at them by the Greens and governments. I’m sure if you took a survey here you’d find folks who started life at uni with far leftier ideas than they espouse now after 30 or 40 years out in the real world. That’s why we don’t yet allow 12 year olds to vote, although I know the 16 year olds are clamouring.

        Others of course continue as juvenile adults who swallow the first swill tossed in their direction: they become Green candidates and their supporters.

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          el gordo

          Not this lot, they have been seriously brainwashed.

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            PeterPetrum

            Yes, El Gordo, schools ain’t what they used to be and universities are worse. These kids get out into the world totally brainwashed and convinced that they must fight to save the world from the evils of western society and capitalism. They will not come to their senses until their world collapses, they have no job and their kids are begging for food. By then it will be too late (and I will be long gone!)

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      yarpos

      “Once you do the research … it’s an international emergency.”

      one can only imagine what this numpty thinks is research, reading the Guardian perhaps? watching Flannery videos?

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    PeterS

    If the global climate trend continues we will have snow covering a large amount of the solar and wind farms. Then we will see the leftists in both major parties doing their best to keep conning the public. Even if the snow doesn’t come we will experience major power disruptions and price increases, especially if Shorten becomes PM. I just hope the public by and large wake up and stop voting for either major party but it’s a forlorn hope. Both parties need to be destroyed but for stupid reasons the voters won’t make it happen, mostly due to voter apathy and indifference to what’s happening and going to happen. Both parties are held captive by the CAGW alarmists who are eager to shut down our coal fired power stations to promote renewables in the name of reducing our emissions, and big business who want to keep the immigration rate high. The only difference between the two major parties is the degree of relative importance each hold over those two agendas. Crash and burn here we come.

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    Lance

    I do hope the question arises, with respect to full or majority “renewable” generation, of whether or not it is factually possible.

    The answer is a resounding “No”.

    There isn’t enough Silver in the world to provide PV power at such scale, even if efficiencies were to quadruple (which is impossible according to solid state physics).

    https://seekingalpha.com/article/4044219-enough-silver-power-world-even-solar-power-efficiency-quadruple

    There isn’t enough Cobalt in the world to provide necessary batteries for storage, even at the cost of using child slave labor to get it.

    https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2017/11/25/the-cobalt-cliff/

    (55-63% of world cobalt comes from Congo using 40,000 child slave laborers as young as 4 yrs.)

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4764208/Child-miners-aged-four-living-hell-Earth.html

    If the touted “answers” are resource limited impossibilities, then what is the benefit of attempting the provably impossible unless the actual goal isn’t renewable energy but something different as in the destruction of national economies?

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    Ruairi

    A summer for winter exchange,
    Switching seasons is bound to feel strange,
    From downunder in Perth,
    Up the tilt of the Earth,
    To Europe, is real climate-change.

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      Annie

      Excellent Ruairi. :)

      Wishing you safe and happy travels Jo. :)

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      Thanks Annie, Ruairi, everyone.. :- )
      Posting will be a bit light and random til the end of next week.

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        Yonniestone

        No worries Jo I’ll make sure some buffoon doesn’t post anything untoward at the top of a thread.

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        peter

        Take some warm clothes Jo. From the TV coverage of the climate protest in London, it looks really cold there already, even before winter officially starts! I was there in Autumn and Winter, 30 years ago (I was only 12, ..ahem)and it was warmer then than now when I walked the streets dressed only with a light jacket and jeans stuffing pamphlets into letterboxes. The locals told me there never was any snow in London at Xmas (too warm?) but we got a big dump that Xmas that blanketed the city. The experts wrong again?

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          yarpos

          A good shopper would take minimal warm clothes and buy some really good quality EU style warm clothes. Although I guess in Perth they wouldnt get turned out so often.

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          Not only in the Northern Hemisphere – I have just been out at 3 a.m. putting frost cloth over my pumpkins, tomatoes, sweetcorn and a lemon tree, here in the north of South Island. It is now 4 a.m. and the temperature is 0.4°C, the coldest recorded on my weather station in the 5 years I’ve possessed it.

          Oops, as I’ve typed it’s dropped another 10th. I hope the sun comes up early today…

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            sophocles

            Good luck. I’m watching the weather closely in Auckland. My new (four years old) mandarin tree has it’s first real crop and I’m feeling very protective to wards it. My lemon tree fell apart a couple of weeks ago (nearly 40 years old now). Darn. Last years crop was huge as usual.

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        Andrew McRae

        Jo,
        Regarding your latest post “The Classics and the future of The West – Perth event Nov 24″ where comments are closed, I hope I’m not too late to draw your readers’ attention to this related ABC article from last week, which appears to be posted as News and not Opinion despite the amazingly subjective contents.
        https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-12/donna-zuckerberg-on-how-the-alt-right-are-co-opting-classics/10474428
        To whet your appetite:

        Donna Zuckerberg, a Classics scholar who argues that ancient Greek and Latin texts are being co-opted to promote dangerous narratives of toxic masculinity and Western supremacy.

        Forget the classic pot and kettle metaphor. This is possibly a case of the nuclear waste barrel calling the diet cola drink toxic.

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    Lance

    An analysis of “what would it take” to replace the US baseload generation with solar PV. Not the peak load, just the base load.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/09/04/going-solar-system-requirements-for-100-u-s-solar-generated-utility-baseload-electricity/

    Wading through the facts presented, the results are:

    More Silver and Cobalt than exists in the entire world by a factor of 7.

    930 years of PV production at the rate of 1 sq. meter / second with concurrent installation at the same rate.

    29 Billion solar panels. Approx cost: 17.4 Trillion USD.

    5.7 Million shipping container sized batteries at 12 meters long, each, costing 4.3 Trillion USD, needing replacement every 8-10 yrs.

    Inverter, transformer, and switchgear costs: Est 1 Trillion USD.

    Transmission Line infrastructure cost: 1+ Trillion USD

    Land Area Required for solar array: 44,000 square kilometers

    This is NOT for the World. Simply the USA Baseload. Scale up as needed.

    In other words, the “goal” is both physically and economically impossible to attain. The raw materials do not exist at this scale.

    Therefore, why bother with the charade?

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    Robber

    Go get ‘em Jo, hopefully with a couple of powerful graphics that will find their way back to the Australian media and foster more debate.

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      David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

      G’day R,
      Thanks. You captured my thought completely.
      I’ll just add: “Keep warm, Jo.”
      Cheers,
      Dave B

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    Greg Cavanagh

    Can I play with madness?
    Give me the sense to wonder
    To wonder if I’m free
    Give me a sense of wonder
    To know I can be me
    Give me the strength to hold my head up
    Spit back in their face
    Don’t need no key to unlock this door
    Gonna break down the walls
    Break out of this bad place

    Can I play with madness? The prophet stared at his crystal ball
    Can I play with madness? There’s no vision there at all
    Can I play with madness? The prophet looked and he laughed at me, ha, he said
    Can I play with madness? He said, “you’re blind, too blind to see”
    Oh, said, “you’re too blind to see”, mmm

    I screamed aloud to the old man
    I said, “don’t lie, don’t say you don’t know”
    I said, “you’ll pay for this mischief”
    “Ah, in this world or the next”
    Oh and…

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    TdeF

    Perth, latitude 32
    Munich, latitude 48
    London, latitude 51
    Oslo, Latitude 59.9

    Going up in the world. Actually its amazingly warm considering Oslo would be in Antarctica in winter. Elephant Island of Shackleton fame is at 61 and the mainland, Graham land starts at 63.

    Please ask them about their ozone hole as we Australians are paying a fortune for our airconditioning gas to save them. It’s nearly cheaper to buy a new Chinese airconditioner than regas the old one.

    Ask them how much our great sacrifice with the world’s most expensive electricity is cooling their climate, especially if it is snowing and freezing.

    Maybe the Norwegians could stop selling oil within 10 years. We have been told to stop selling coal. Then the whole world can be a little cooler. They’ll love that in winter. Or is it all nonsense?

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    Neville

    Good post Jo, but Australia only emits 1.2% of co2 emissions and the star outlier Germany about 2.1%.

    Germany has led the way and has wasted hundreds of billions of Euros on the S&Wind fra-d for decades, yet now they are extending their brown coal mines to help to stabilise their grid with real base-load power. Are humans really this idiotic? So what has happened to simple logic and reason, supported by simple first grade sums?

    Yet we in OZ haven’t got enough brains to understand recent history and are stupidly following Germany’s clueless example and may even suffer more blackouts this summer. This is probably the best definition of madness that one could find and yet this seems to have infected the entire OECD world.

    And lomborg tells us that we could all follow Paris COP 21 to the letter and there still wouldn’t be any measurable change to temps by 2100 and the RS and NAS report extends that miserable finding until 2200 at least. Will these extremists ever wake up? Here are countries co2 emissions.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions

    Here’s Germany’s TOTAL energy pie chart showing GEO+ S&W generating just 3.5% and coal still way above the USA percentage of TOTAL energy generation. Germany 25.5% (coal) and USA just 17.1% of TOTAL energy. And OZ will continue to follow like lemmings and waste endless billions $ on this BS and fra-d for a guaranteed ZERO return.
    Barking mad doesn’t even begin to explain it.

    https://www.iea.org/stats/WebGraphs/GERMANY4.pdf

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      I realize. I am going to Germany, after all, our chief competitor for the International Crash Test Dummy Prize. So all stories of how we might outdo them will be gratefully recieved. Tis a Challenge!

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        robert rosicka

        Just refer them to south Australia and Victoriastan

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        Bill In Oz

        Ask them how much nuclear generated power they buy in from France. Ummmmm

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        RickWill

        South Australia has the biggest battery!

        South Australia has the most wind energy curtailment. Typically a few times each month up to a couple of days at a time it reaches the safe maximum. That is despite using Victoria as a 600MW battery of infinite capacity.

        South Australia has its annual minimum grid power demand through the middle of the day and has had for a number of years.

        South Australia will have zero scheduled demand through the middle of the day by October 2022. All midday power will be supplied from SMALL SCALE solar on rooftops. All grid sources of intermittent generation will be curtailed. Synchronous condensers are being evaluated as a means of keeping frequency stable during such situations. The battery as energy storage also helps frequency stability during such periods.

        South Australia has the most expensive power in the developed would and can no longer burden its population with the full cost of electricity directly because they will abandon the grid. The recent grid additions are paid for from general revenue; through debt financing.

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        Bobl

        Jo use the pics from the article I sent you comparing ivanpah 16 square km of reflectors with just 1 Boeing 777 jet engine to show the difference in energy density.

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        Bobl

        I can also show how solar plus small scale diesel can game the system to allow grid abandonment.

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        sophocles

        My current boss is from Germany. He reckons the sun does shine there but you have to be lucky or quick to see it …

        So have a good trip (there and back) Jo and enjoy your stay.

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      yarpos

      If we couldnt learn from SA right under our own noses, we arent going to learn from Germany with all the intervening spin and distance from the action.

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    James Poulos

    Why is it that the same alarmists who are so concerned about global warming and climate change and go to any lengths to reverse it – when confronted by facts that show warming is normal, negligible, and no danger – go completely berserk denying the evidence?

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      Neville

      James because left wing loons and the parties they vote for are not interested in evidence, data or science, but they just love the BS, fra-d and manipulation.
      IOW they want to have total control over the way we think, speak and act. The last thing they want is for anyone to look at the data/evidence for themselves.
      Because then we might wake up and ask many more impertinent questions.

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      theRealUniverse

      They dont care about climate either in reality, its to ELIMINATE hydrocarbon fuel use. Its an ‘end game’.

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        Bobl

        Actually it’s more like a tech infatuation with solar. Taking away their solar panels is a bit like taking their iPhone away. It was the same with (fttp)fibre to the premises). I still get people who say the nbn should be fttp, why any residential property needs a terrabit capable communications bearer is beyond me.

        They like the high tech of solar and the idea that you can own your own generator. Despite the fact that owning you own generator undermines the economics of the grid.

        The greenies in general aren’t smart enough to differentiate between economic small scale solar and totally unsustainable grid scale solar. They assume that because it works on a small scale it will work on a large scale. It isn’t even close to being true.

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      Latus Dextro

      Why is it that the same alarmists who are so concerned about global warming and climate change and go to any lengths to reverse it – when confronted by facts that show an unpredicted pause in warming for 18 yearsgo completely berserk denying the evidence?

      Why indeed?
      Because it never was about climate. It was only ever about ‘belief’.

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    Here in Norway we are very much looking forward to Jo Novas visit.
    Jo’s introduction has been translated and reblogged here:
    https://www.klimarealistene.com/

    In Norway 110 % of our electricity is generated from hydro power, the surplus being exported to neighbouring countries. Accordingly we don’t need a single windmill.

    Still, our politicians have built quite a few, and thousands more are being planned, despite increasing resistance from the population.

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      Latus Dextro

      In New Zealand, 60% of electricity is generated by hydro. Any intelligent move to increase this by building more dams is resisted with a deranged tenacity reliably displayed by he usual panoply of globalist eco-fanatics and devotees of solar and wind.
      Fortunately and with some degree of hilarity irony, their own Resource Consent Regulations are now being used against them.

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      yarpos

      Both beautiful countries that dont need to be scarred by wind turbines that will provide effectively nothing.

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    robert rosicka

    Seems that generating power by cutting down and burning trees is now not a good idea .

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-20/why-burning-trees-for-electricity-may-not-be-good-choice/10488230

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      sophocles

      … and digging up and burning fossil trees may return to popularity …

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      markx

      Yep. Bleeding obvious that’s if cutting, burning and replanting trees is a good idea, then mining and burning coal PLUS planting trees is an even better one.

      You could then even selectively log and hence keep fire trails open and noxious weeds and feral pests under control that way.

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    pat

    look forward to hearing about audience feedback, jo.

    meanwhile, I thought this was going to be DM mocking this nonsense…but it is nothing of the sort! unbelievable:

    20 Nov: Daily Mail: Climate change will make us more likely to wet the bed and may trigger a plague of ticks, snakes and VOLES as ‘devastating’ droughts and flooding send nature haywire by 2100
    Researchers found 467 different ways greenhouse gasses affect humanity
    by Harry Pettit
    A rise in ‘devastating’ droughts, floods, wildfires and other weather events caused by global warming will impact nature in a number of bizarre ways, the study shows.
    As emissions increase, society faces a much larger threat from climate change than previously thought, the team from University of Hawaii in Manoa said.
    They analysed thousands of scientific papers on climate change, uncovering 467 different ways that greenhouse gases impact life on Earth…

    The study was co-authored by 23 scientists, including several who are on the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and they have released an interactive map of the threats…

    Lead author Associate Professor Camilo Mora said: ‘Greenhouse gas emissions pose a broad threat to humanity by simultaneously intensifying many hazards that have proven harmful in the past…
    Dawn Wright, ESRI Chief Scientist said: ‘The study is a compelling review of how climate change is literally redrawing lines on the map, clearly showing the threats that our world faces at every level…

    Co-author Professor Jonathan Patz, from the University of Wisconsin’s Global Health Institute said: ‘Our health depends on multiple factors, from clean air and water, to safe food and shelter and more.
    ‘So without a real systems approach to climate change impacts, we cannot adequately understand the full risks…

    Co-author Assistant Professor Daniele Spirandelli from the University of Hawaii said: ‘The evidence of climate change impacting humanity is abundant, loud and clear.
    ‘Clearly, the outstanding question is – how many wake-up calls will it take to wake up?’
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-6406431/Greenhouse-gases-affect-human-life-467-different-ways.html

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      theRealUniverse

      “Associate Professor Camilo Mora said: ‘Greenhouse gas emissions pose a broad threat to humanity by simultaneously intensifying many hazards that have proven harmful in the past…”
      Professor Camilo Mora where exactly is your PROOF?? I strongly suggest you look at actual graphs, actual real physics, not lies.

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      AndyG55

      And all based on IMAGINARY UNVALIDATED model projections from models that can’t hit the side of a barn.

      HILARIOUS, and so totally idiotic as to make me wonder what sort of toadstool they have been munching on.

      Hallucinogenic sillymess.

      Maybe it was intended as satire or something ?

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      Annie

      I nearly spluttered my cup of tea over my tablet at that…laugh or cry?!

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        AndyG55

        As I mentioned elsewhere,..

        Their complete and utter DESPERATION to get their socialist agenda through before the cooling trend kicks in, is making them behave like low-end circus clowns.

        Its getting quite hilarious to watch their crazy lunatic-like antics.

        Goodness knows what their Klimate-Kool-aide has been spiked with !

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    pat

    19 Nov: Weather Channel: Thanksgiving Could Be Among the Coldest on Record in Parts of the Northeast
    By Chris Dolce
    ▪ An arctic air mass will engulf the Northeast late this week.
    ▪ Some cities may see their coldest Thanksgiving Day on record.
    ▪ Low temperatures will be 15 to 25 degrees below average.
    https://weather.com/forecast/regional/news/2018-11-18-thanksgiving-day-record-cold-northeast/

    19 Nov: American Thinker: Global Warming Snowed Under
    By Brian C. Joondeph
    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/11/global_warming_snowed_under.html

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    KinkyKeith

    It’s now clear.

    It is unambiguous.

    It is abuse of science and good reason.

    The Global Warming Climate Change movement is an Elite Socialist Program of Enslavement of the masses, and the French have shown everyone else how to Confront it.

    Very Publicly.

    KK

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    Safe trip, Jo, successful delivery of your important argument
    and some pleasurable sightseeing when you have the time.:)

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    pat

    just heard news bulleting reporting the death of Larry Pickering. RIP.

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      Yonniestone

      Looking over a few MSM articles on his passing they still can’t help themselves and take personal swipes at his views and career, such is the ingrained hate of the left it has taken over any traces of decency and respect for a man who many disagreed with but hardly committed crimes against humanity as they insinuate.

      Interesting to note when Castro died they carefully smoothed over the fact he was a murderous dictator who’s real crimes were noted for historical reference but because an Australian passionate about his country used a unique artistic gift to show how ridiculous politics and people can be he’s painted in a more sinister light.

      Rest easy Larry knowing your wit and talent was not wasted on fools and cowards.
      http://pickeringpost.com

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        Peter C

        I have just read the obituaries at the Pickering Post (Paul Zanetti and Harry Richardson). They tell us a bit about the character of Larry Pickering, but leave out the more questionable bits, such as his bankruptcy, gambling and multiple wives or partners.

        They also do not highlight his contribution to the life of Australia, particularly by expressing his views on taboo subjects, which need to be discussed and giving an outlet for others who want to have a say on these matters of national importance. Perhaps that is a given for those who read his blog.

        Larry Pickering could not be sued, because he had no money. Hence he said a lot of things that others would not dare to say. I think that he would have welcomed being sued. It would have generated so much interest and publicity. Then he would have shown everyone two fingers.

        No one likes to be vilified and hence I would not say that Larry Pickering did not care. He was brave enough to accept the consequences and speak out anyway!

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          Yonniestone

          Agreed he was far from perfect, its just the automated histrionic behavior of the left media that gets me after all the man held no pretensions or acts of virtue and perhaps this is what they fear or fail to emulate themselves.

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    pat

    meant to type “bulletin”

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    Hasn’t Atlas Shrugged been translated into Australian?

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      el gordo

      Thanks Dennis, the subtropical ridge has completely collapsed and global cooling has begun.

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      Annie

      Methinks that’s a bit hyped? I’m not sure I’d describe 15C in Melbourne and high teens in Adelaide as ‘bitter’. To me, that description belongs to sub-zero temperatures. It’s just rather cool for the time of the year.
      BTW Jo…I remember snow in November in southern England a few years back (2005?). We had just returned from a wedding in Australia…it felt pretty cold then, to be sure!

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        el gordo

        Annie observe the low pressure from the Top End to Antarctica, this is a global cooling signal.

        http://www.bom.gov.au/fwo/IDY65100.pdf

        Melbourne is known to have four seasons in one day, that is weather, what we are looking at is much bigger than that.

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          Annie

          That I don’t dispute EG. What I was niggling at was the description of mid to high teens in temperature as ‘bitter’. It isn’t.

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            RickWill

            If you are visiting from Darwin then mid to high teens would be bitterly cold. Since moving from tropical regions to eventually Melbourne my comfort range has dropped by about 10 degrees from high 20s to high teens. Clothing has a bit to do with it but other factors are not as clear. I expect all humans acclimatise to so degree providing they are exposed to the elements.

            The coldest I have experienced was in Canada with -28C and wind chill to -38C. The warmest shade temperate of 52C was experienced in NW Australia. I was more comfortable in the 52C than the -28C. It is clear why places like Calgary have their +15C walkways. A few minutes exposed to -28C with wind chill was tough for me even with face covered. I recall on that day some parents complaining because the schools were not allowing the children outside to play. The concern was their kids would grow up wussies.

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    pat

    20 Nov: ABC Curious Darwin: How do people living in the tropics stand the hot, humid climate?
    By Nick Hose
    (Nick Hose is a reporter in the Northern Territory for ABC News. Nick has previously worked in New York public radio at WNYC, where he produced feature stories on authors, politicians and artists. Nick joined the ABC in 2015, allowing him to combine his love of storytelling and journalism)

    Curious Darwin questioner Patricia Dickes had the same realisation when she recently travelled to the Northern Territory from Hobart to visit her niece.
    “How can people stand the climate?” she asked…

    (ABOUT 60 PARAGRAPHS LATER, THE BIG FINALE)
    Darwin getting hotter and sweatier
    Without global warming, Top Enders would’ve experienced dryer conditions, but the heating of the planet is countering that dry trend, the Bureau of Meteorology said.
    “We are seeing the ridge to the south of Australia strengthening, and it’s that ridge which brings us those nice dry winds that we see during the dry season,” (Meteorologist Pieter) Claassen said.
    The bad news: global warming is fighting that trend, and will ultimately make Darwin hotter and stickier.
    “It’s kind of a battle of two forces; right now we’re seeing those dryer trends prevail but overall the global warming trend should win,” Mr Claassen predicted.
    That’s very bad news for Top Enders, who’ll have to keep getting creative while waiting for the rains to come…
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-20/how-do-people-in-the-tropics-stand-the-climate/10511484

    BoM’s Claassen has form:

    4 Apr: ABC: Sweltering Darwin heat the result of its highest April dew point in 60 years
    ABC Radio Darwin By Jesse Thompson
    Top End residents anticipating the onset of the long-awaited dry season woke to a rude surprise this week.
    On Wednesday morning the dew point, a quantitative measure of how much moisture is in the air, was the highest recorded in April for 60 years.
    Why this makes a number of people sweat comes down to a scale used to gauge discomfort, according to the Bureau of Meteorology’s Peter Claassen.
    “So we have this very scientific device that we use called the sweatometer, and that shows us different ranges in which it feels a bit sweaty,” he told ABC Radio Darwin’s Kate O’Toole.
    “A dew point of 19 to 22 is sweaty, 22 to 24 is very sweaty, and 24 plus is oppressive.”
    Measured in degrees Celsius, Wednesday morning’s dew point peaked at 27.2 — a figure Mr Claassen described as “off the charts”.
    “It’s the highest we’ve seen in April since 1958, and it actually led to a ‘feels-like’ temperature of 36 degrees at 8:30am, which is out of control.”…

    How much does it actually affect the temperature?
    Many weather observers may have been puzzled by the disparity between the actual and apparent temperatures recorded by the BOM.
    According to Mr Claassen, this is also related to the dew point.
    “With every increase of that dew point, especially around that 20-degree range, we feel about a one or two-degree increase in the feels-like temperature as well,” he said.
    “So while the actual temperature was sitting at about 28 degrees [on Wednesday] morning at about 8:30, the feels-like temperature was eight degrees warmer than that at 36 degrees…

    As an example of just how drastic an effect the amount of moisture in the air can have, Mr Claassen recalled the highest dew point ever recorded in Saudi Arabia.
    A dew point of 35 degrees and an air temperature of 42 degrees came together for an apparent temperature of 79C.
    “You could cook things in that,” he said.
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-04/dew-point-explained-after-darwin-april-record/9617574

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    pat

    not recommended viewing. a completely fake Katy Tur feigning being upset CAGW isn’t leading news bulletins every day, after reading McKibben’s New Yorker nonsense. Mann the same as ever.

    VIDEO: 7min18sec: 20 Nov: MSNBC: Katy Tur: Climate change no longer a far-off, subtle threat, says climate expert
    As the deadliest wildfires ever to hit California are blazing through the state, Bill McKibben is out with a new piece in the New Yorker examining how longer droughts, stronger winds, and urban sprawl have worsened these fires. Distinguished Professor of Meteorology at Penn State’s Earth Science Center, Michael Mann tells Katy Tur that we can see the impact of climate change in our daily lives already — and it will only get worse.
    https://www.msnbc.com/katy-tur/watch/climate-change-no-longer-a-far-off-subtle-threat-says-climate-expert-1375033923933?v=railb&

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    pat

    the “467″ meme is now all over the FakeNewsMSM:

    19 Nov: CBS: Climate change will bring multiple disasters at once, study warns
    “Facing these climatic changes will be like getting into a fight with Mike Tyson, Schwarzenegger, Stallone, Jackie Chan — all at the same time.” That is how Camillo Mora, the lead author of the study released Monday in the journal Nature Climate Change, describes the numerous impacts that are expected to hit us in the coming years. He adds, “I think we are way above our heads.”
    In total, the researchers identified 467 distinct ways in which society is already being impacted by increasing climate extremes, and then laid out how these threats are likely to compound on top of each other in the decades ahead…

    ‘Mind-blowing’: Hazards to multiply and accumulate with climate change
    The Sydney Morning Herald – 11 hours ago
    Humanity is already enduring cumulative effects from climate change and damages will continue to mount along with carbon emissions, a new study has found.

    ‘Like a Terror Movie’: How Climate Change will Cause More Simultaneous Disasters
    New York Times – 19 Nov 2018

    Will We Survive Climate Change?
    International-New York Times-24 minutes ago

    19 Nov: Phys.org: Greenhouse gasses triggering more changes than we can handle
    Over 3,000 documented case examples, with supporting papers, are listed at LINK
    https://phys.org/news/2018-11-greenhouse-gasses-triggering.html

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    pat

    no doubt still not enough BBC CAGW propaganda for George Monbiot’s liking!

    19 Nov: BBC Climate Change/Psychology: One simple reason we aren’t acting faster on climate change?
    Images like that of a polar bear on a melting ice field are iconic. But in terms of getting people to act on climate change, they may be ineffective. Here’s why.
    By Diego Arguedas Ortiz
    (Diego Arguedas Ortiz is a science and climate change reporter for BBC Future)
    We’ve all seen how powerful images can make abstract crises feel concrete. Think of the photographs of a Chinese man blocking a column of tanks a day after the Tiananmen Square massacre, a naked Vietnamese girl fleeing from napalm in 1972 or of 7-year-old Amal Hussain wasting away from hunger in Yemen. When done well, photographs help people around the world make sense of unseen disasters.

    Now close your eyes and try to picture climate change – one of our generation’s most pressing crises. What comes to mind? Is it smoke coming out of power plants? Solar panels? A skinny polar bear?
    That’s problematic, says psychologist Adam Corner, director of Climate Visuals, a project that aims to revitalise climate imagery. “Images without people on them are unable to tell a human story,” says Corner.
    PIC: CHIMNEYS, ‘SMOKE’
    CAPTION: Researchers have found that images like this one lack a humanising element that makes them compelling…
    http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20181115-why-climate-change-photography-needs-a-new-look

    14 Nov: BBC Future: Could this be the cure for fake news?
    By Diego Arguedas Ortiz
    Hot topic
    Take climate change. More than 97% of climate scientists have concluded that humans are responsible for global warming, but large groups of society still have trouble believing it. When asked what percentage of climate scientists agree that human-caused global warming is occurring, only 49% of Americans thought it was more than half – and only 15% answered, correctly, that it was more than 91%. The confusion reflects sophisticated campaigns aimed at sowing doubt among the public.

    The difficulty is that once doubt settles, it is hard to dislodge it. Van der Linden and his colleagues wondered what would happen if they reached people before the nay-sayers did.
    They dug up a real-life disinformation campaign: the so-called Oregon Petition, which in 2007 falsely claimed that over 31,000 American scientists rejected the position that humans caused climate change…

    In a separate piece of research, another team lead by John Cook asked a similar question and arrived at the same result: inoculation could give us the upper hand against misinformation.

    “It’s an exciting development,” says Eryn Newman, a cognitive scientist and lecturer at the National University of Australia who was not involved in the studies. “They are flipping the approach, doing a pre-emptive strike and giving people a heads-up.”.
    In other words, uncle Gavin may think twice before sharing that latest post about Brexit, Trump or whether the Earth is flat…
    http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20181114-could-this-game-be-a-vaccine-against-fake-news?ocid=twfut

    5 Nov: BBC Future: Ten simple ways to act on climate change
    By Diego Arguedas Ortiz
    It’s settled science that climate change is real, and we’re starting to see some of the ways that it affects us. It increases the likelihood of flooding in Miami and elsewhere, threatens the millions of people living along the Brahmaputra River in north-eastern India and disrupts the sex life of plants and animals.
    So we don’t need to ask whether climate change is happening – or whether humans are causing it. Instead, we need to ask: “what can we do?”…

    The number one goal? Limiting the use of fossil fuels such as oil, carbon and natural gas and replacing them with renewable and cleaner sources of energy, all while increasing energy efficiency. “We need to cut CO2 emissions almost in half (45%) by the end of the next decade,” says Kimberly Nicholas, associate professor of sustainability science at the Lund University Centre for Sustainability Studies (LUCSUS), in Sweden…

    3. Other than that, what’s the best daily action I can take?
    One 2017 study co-authored by Lund University’s Nicholas ranked 148 individual actions on climate change according to their impact. Going car-free was the number-one most effective action an individual could take (except not having kids – but more on that on that later)…
    http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20181102-what-can-i-do-about-climate-change

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    Geoff Sherrington

    Bon voyage, Jo.
    Study the Adventures of Barry MacKenzie and sock it to em with science and vernacular
    Geoff

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    pat

    nowhere do the writers explain Ben Wyatt is a Labor politician. in the end it’s just Liberals complaining and Liberals being blamed:

    20 Nov: Canberra Times: Massive electricity cost blow-out hits WA small businesses
    By Hamish Hastie & Nathan Hondros
    Peter West’s business headquarters amounts to little more than a storage unit he sometimes makes a cup of tea in, which is why he was surprised to learn of a $400 increase in his electricity bill this financial year…

    In the last budget, the state government introduced a 236 per cent increase in the supply charge portion of Synergy’s L1 tariff for small businesses. The increase was applied from July 1 and equated to a jump from 51 cents a day to $1.71 a day…
    The electricity usage charge rate was reduced from 30.3 cents per unit to 24.3 cents. This meant the more electricity a business used the more money they could save on their bill compared to last year, potentially negating the increased supply charge.

    Mr West used a tiny 183 units last year, which meant he didn’t use enough power to negate the supply charge increase and would have to wear most of the cost.
    “The building isn’t being used very much, its mostly for storage. We rarely leave the lights on, we have a computer plugged in and that’s about all,” he said.
    “Maybe the kettle gets boiled once or twice a week … because we don’t use much power we’ve been stung by this.
    “The average customer is actually saving, because they put the power cost down. I feel like I’m subsidising them.”…

    Electricity bills for more than 20,500 small businesses have jumped at least 40 per cent, according to the WA Liberals.
    Opposition treasury spokesman Dean Nalder released figures showing customers who used five units or less of electricity a day had annual bills jump on average from $723 a year to $1012.
    “I just don’t think there’s been due consideration given to adverse impact it has on the small energy users,” he said…

    Treasurer and Energy Minister Ben Wyatt said the decision to increase the supply charge was not taken lightly and the average bill would be reduced by 5.6 per cent.
    “It was also part of a process of ‘rebalancing’ tariffs,” he said.
    “These tariffs were rebalanced to achieve a price structure that will incentivise efficient use of electricity
    and result in fairer sharing of costs…

    “But the dilemma can be put simply, had Mr Nalder and the rest of the Liberals and Nationals not destroyed the state’s finances when in government, then such decisions would not have needed to be made so urgently,” he said…
    https://www.canberratimes.com.au/politics/western-australia/massive-electricity-cost-blow-out-hits-wa-small-businesses-20181119-p50h0k.html

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    theRealUniverse

    This graph from icecap.us about says it all..http://icecap.us/images/uploads/A2.png
    SA tops the lot at 47.13c/kWh in the world.

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      Craig Thomas

      You might want:
      1/ To provide up to date information

      :>> Current Australian retail electricity prices are 4c-6c lower since that graph was cobbled together. South Australia’s is now under 43c.

      2/ compare states with states, not states with countries.

      :>> Hawaii is paying 54c, Massachusetts 38c, Alaska 36c, and New York is paying 30c.
      And of course the US subsidy regime is completely different to ours.

      The general rule is that lower populations in more remote locations pay higher prices, for various logical and market-driven reasons. Of course whoever was responsible for your cobbled-together graph wasn’t interested in discussing these nuances.

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    theRealUniverse

    Mark Windows on the fake Extinction Rebellion. (Fake Protest:)
    https://windowsontheworld.net/video_type/fake-rebellion-explained-extinction-rebellion/
    ‘The most effective way to take over an organization or even a country is to infiltrate from within.’
    Exactly.
    And..https://windowsontheworld.net/video_type/global-warming-hoax-day/
    Corbyn and others dishing out anti warming hysteria stuff same spot as the Extinction rally took place.

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    pat

    19 Nov: WUWT: The Frightful Cost of Virginia Offshore Wind
    By Steve Goreham
    The project, named Coastal Virginia Offshore Wind (CVOW), will be the first offshore wind project in the mid-Atlantic. Dominion Energy and Orsted A/S of Denmark will erect two 6-megawatt wind turbines supplied by Siemens Gamesa of Spain. The estimated project cost is a staggering $300 million, to be paid for in the electricity bills of Virginia businesses and households.

    According to the Wind Technologies Market Report, US wind turbine market prices in 2016 were just under $1,000 per kilowatt, or about $6 million for a 6-megawatt turbine. Virginia will pay 25 times the US market price for the CVOW turbines.

    The wholesale price for electricity in Virginia is about 3 cents per kilowatt-hour (kWh). This is the price received by coal, natural gas, or nuclear generating facilities. The electricity produced from the two offshore turbines will receive 78 cents per kWh, or a staggering 26 times the wholesale price…READ ON
    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/11/19/the-frightful-cost-of-virginia-offshore-wind/

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    Bobl

    3 prime ministers, don’t make me laugh, climate policy brought down every prime mini St r and premier since Howard.

    1. Howard’s loss was largely due to the green left politicking about Howard’s refusal to sign Kyoto. This was before I did the math and was a believer.

    2 Kevin got taken down by Julia over climate policy ETS
    3 Julia got taken down by Kevin over the carbon tax policy.
    4 Abbott took down Kevin largely over the carbon tax/ets by promising to repeal the hated carbon tax.
    5 Malcolm took down Abbott after citing climate policy.
    6 Malcolm got taken down (twice) once as opposition leader and once as prom minister over his support of Rudd’s ETS and the National Energy Guarantee, a hidden carbon tax.

    I make that 6 pm and one opposition leader, pretty much every labor premier was taken down over the last 10 years because of electricity prices. Especially Captain Bligh in QLD, green labour in tas, wetherdill in SA. NT and two premiers (can’t remember names) in NSW.

    Can’t figure out why the pollies continue to play with this toxic green goo. Everyone it touches is politically dead because either way it’s too toxic. Frankly both sceptics and believers can take down governments they just alter in their ire depending on which crap we are suffering with at the time. Frankly I’m surprised there hasn’t been a bipartisan agreement to ignore the toxic mess and not mention it any more. If they did this they would make the greens irrelevant too

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    robert rosicka

    Proposal to raise dam height has hit a snag , Regent Honeyeaters have been seen around the lakes shoreline .
    I say raise the height by 14 metres the lake will still be there after all just bigger .

    http://www.birdsyoulove.org/avalleyofhope/

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    pat

    20 Nov: Herald Scotland: Scotland’s ageing wind turbines could double in size in ‘green’ energy drive
    By Victoria Weldon
    Wind turbines have long attracted controversy in Scotland, with some arguing they are a blight on scenery and tourism as others hail them as a symbol of the country’s progressive outlook on renewables.
    That argument is now set to intensify as moves are being made to almost double the size of turbines nearing the end of their lifespans, according to a new report.
    The plans have also prompted environmental concerns as it would cause further disruption to Scotland’s peatland – which most turbines are built on – damaging the soil’s vital carbon cutting resource.

    Mountaineering Scotland said the move would “increase the visual impact”on Scotland’s mountains and landscapes, and called for the “environmental and aesthetic impact on the landscape” to be made a “key consideration”.
    Environment Protection Scotland also said that the report, by researchers at the Universities of Glasgow and Aberdeen, raises questions over the development of windfarm policy in Scotland.
    Charity spokesman John Bynorth said: “Scotland’s peatlands have a powerful natural role to play in slowing climate change through carbon capture and everything must be done to prevent damage to this vital part of our eco-system.

    “Research by scientists has also found that even the ‘wake’ from wind turbines can have an impact on air temperatures and humidity, impacting on the temperature of soil and on the surface of soil – so it’s clear that digging deeper or wider foundations in which to place bigger and more powerful windfarms will also potentially have a damaging impact on Scotland’s environment.”
    The report reveals that Scotland is home to more than 3,200 operational wind turbines, with a further 2,300 either under construction or awaiting planning permission.
    The majority of these (74 per cent) are on peatland…

    The existing turbines would then be increased from 100 metres to roughly 170 metres to harness “better wind”…
    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/17234148.scotlands-ageing-wind-turbines-could-double-in-size-in-green-energy-drive/

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    pat

    20 Nov: The Conversation: Repowering the UK’s oldest wind farms could boost energy generation by 171%
    by Rebecca Windemer, PhD Researcher, Cardiff University
    (Disclosure: Rebecca Windemer receives funding from the Economic and Social Research Council (ESRC) and Cardiff University)

    To date, when most UK wind farms were under development, temporary planning consent of 25 years was granted. Under the terms of this consent, when the two and a half decade period comes to an end, the turbines have to be removed and the land returned to its previous use.
    Now, a significant number of the country’s wind farms are starting to reach the end of their permission period, 62 wind farms in England, Wales and Scotland are aged 15 and over and 22 of these are more than 20 years old. If existing sites are removed without replacement this could decrease the overall amount of energy generated from UK renewables.

    There are other problems too: the government has warned that there is a risk of equipment being abandoned on some of the oldest sites, because some original planning consents failed to specify the removal of all of the infrastructure. In some cases, large equipment and cables do not have to be removed. And in 2015, the government created major planning hurdles for onshore wind farms and ended subsidies. As a result, there has been a 94% drop in applications to build new wind farms in England alone.

    But all is not lost. To combat the issue, in July 2018 it was announced that the repowering of existing wind turbines would not be subject to the same planning hurdles as new sites. And our analysis has now confirmed that repowering can massively increase the energy output of the UK’s wind farms…
    In all, 54 sites are due to come to the end of their life within five years, and 161 more within ten years. This data is based on 23 sites that on average (excluding sites that repowered early for technical reasons) repowered after 18 years of operation…

    Repowering doesn’t come without its challenges, however. It can change how a wind farm looks, which is not always popular with the general public. On average, repowering has reduced the number of turbines on a site by 24%, but turbines have got 89.5% taller. This has caused difficulties for local planning authorities when assessing the visual impact of planning applications…

    Crucially, despite the evident benefits to repowering wind farms, there is still not enough governmental guidance to ensure that decisions can be made quickly and fairly in a way that balances energy production with local environmental, social and economic benefits.
    This is not an issue that the country can sit on. With so many wind farms approaching their 25th year, we need to act quickly in order to maximise the potential benefits to energy generation and carbon reduction targets.
    https://theconversation.com/repowering-the-uks-oldest-wind-farms-could-boost-energy-generation-by-171-106211

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    robert rosicka

    Still trying to get confirmation but Morrison ditches the UN climate accord .

    Moonbeam Brown says Trump was right about California’s restrictions on logging and opens up the forests .

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    pat

    20 Nov: BusinessStandardIndia: PTI: Take the lead in fight against climate change: Vardhan to developed nations
    Addressing the ministerial meet of BASIC (Brazil, South Africa, India and China) countries hosted by the Union Environment Ministry, Vardhan said developed countries must take the lead in the fight against climate change by their actions as well as by their provision of enhanced financial support and other aid to developing countries.

    Ahead of the crucial climate conference in Poland later this year, the Indian minister said developed countries seemed to be “shedding” their responsibilities in the pre-2020 period and delaying climate action, which he said would place additional mitigation burden on developing countries.

    Vardhan said developed countries are “far from realising” their climate finance commitment of mobilising USD 100 billion by 2020 and asserted the developed nations should not only make urgent efforts to honour this commitment but also progressively and substantially scale up their financial support in post-2020 period.
    “The climate actions of developing countries are ambitious despite the fact that our contribution to climate change is minimal. The historical responsibility lies squarely with the developed countries. Therefore, it is the developed countries who must fulfill their climate obligations expeditiously,” he said…

    “We must ensure that the progress on NDCs at COP 24 (Climate conference in Poland) does not yield an outcome that is mitigation-centric but it should address all elements including mitigation, adaptation, finance, technology development and transfer and capacity building,” Vardhan said…
    “The developed countries should finalise a new collective finance goal in time for the global stock-take in 2023 which would inform parties for future action through NDCs,” he said…
    https://www.business-standard.com/article/pti-stories/take-the-lead-in-fight-against-climate-change-vardhan-to-developed-nations-118112000648_1.html

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    pat

    19 Nov: ClimateChangeNews: Dutch government to appeal landmark climate ruling, again
    Mark Rutte’s administration asks Supreme Court to review the Urgenda case, which requires the Netherlands to make deeper emissions cuts by 2020
    By Megan Darby
    The Dutch government is taking its fight against a landmark climate change verdict to the Supreme Court.
    Under the initial ruling, which was upheld by an appeals court last month, the Netherlands must cut emissions 25% from 1990 levels by 2020. In 2017, emissions were down just 13%, leaving a significant gap to bridge.

    In a statement on Friday, the government said it was committed to meeting the tougher goal, but would challenge the decision on principle. By forcing the state to make deeper emissions cuts, the judgment limited executive discretion on policy. “This could have significant consequences for governments’ freedom to make climate policy and in other areas,” it argued.

    Urgenda, the campaign group behind the lawsuit, criticised the decision to appeal. “We would much rather have worked side by side with our government to reduce emissions, rather than have to fight them in court again,” said director Marjan Minnesma…
    Minnesma said: “Delaying action will inevitably lead to us missing the temperature targets in the Paris Agreement and will have catastrophic consequences for all of us.”
    http://www.climatechangenews.com/2018/11/19/dutch-government-appeal-landmark-climate-ruling/

    20 Nov: CarbonPulse: Hopes fade for progress on a CDM transition this year
    Governments are not expected to offer much clarity on how the CDM will transition into the post-2020 Paris Agreement era as year-end UN talks in Katowice get bogged down in other issues, observers say.

    20 Nov: CarbonPulse: Guangdong ETS continues to see offset supply trickle in through auctions
    The Guangdong carbon exchange on Tuesday announced another small auction of offsets eligible for use in the provincial emissions trading scheme, with the minimum bid price set at only around half the clearing price of last week’s sale.

    20 Nov: CarbonPulse: Australian businesses want steeper climate targets and CO2 markets to help meet them, survey shows
    An overwhelming majority of Australian business and industry thinks the government should strengthen its climate ambitions and develop a suite of market-based policies to meet them, a survey has found.

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    pat

    19 Nov: BBC: Climate change: Report raises new optimism over industry
    By Roger Harrabin
    Sectors like steel, chemicals, cement, aviation and aluminium face a huge challenge in cutting carbon emissions.
    But a group including representatives from business concludes it is both practical and affordable to get their emissions down to virtually zero by the middle of the next century.
    The report’s been described as wishful thinking by some environmentalists.

    Can we afford it?
    The group, the Energy Transitions Commission (ETC), says we can. It calculates that industrial emissions can be eradicated a cost of less than 1% of global GDP, with a marginal impact on living standards.
    The ETC – a coalition of business, finance and civil society leaders from energy producers and users – supports the aim of the 2015 Paris climate deal of limiting global warming to 1.5C, or at the very least, well below 2C…
    The commission says this will require rapid improvements in energy efficiency across the whole economy.
    This should be combined with vastly increased wind and solar electricity to power cars, vans, manufacturing, and a significant part of domestic cooking, heating and cooling.

    Where are the biggest problems?
    The focus of the report is on the tough nuts of climate change: cement, steel, chemicals, trucking and aviation.
    These sectors account for close to a third of total global carbon dioxide emissions, but on current trends that is likely to increase just as the rest of the economy is cleaning up.
    The report says it is technically possible to decarbonise all of them by the middle of the next century…
    The authors say we can decarbonise the difficult sectors at costs per tonne of carbon dioxide saved of $60 or less for steel, $120 or less in cement, and $270 or less in the case of plastics…

    The chair of the ETC, ***Adair Turner, said there was an “incredible disconnect” between the urgency of the climate problem and the “glacial” pace of technologies such as carbon capture and storage, where emissions are captured then pumped underground…
    Lord Turner admitted that having the climate change sceptic Donald Trump as US President was unhelpful…

    They note that the UK government, for instance, says it leads the world in climate policy, yet has just agreed a £30bn road-building programme and a new runway for Heathrow, which will increase emissions.

    What do environmentalists say?
    (Academic, Greenpeace)
    Richard Black from the Energy and Climate Intelligence Unit said the report “provides a key piece of evidence for governments who pledged at the Paris summit to keep global warming well below 2C, because it shows them what that entails for some crucial industries.
    “However, the Commission is very clear that these transitions won’t happen by themselves – it’s going to need governments to step forwards with policies, and to do so quickly.”
    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-46263770

    LINK TO 172-PAGE REPORT!

    Mission Possible: Reaching net-zero carbon emissions from harder-to-abate sectors by mid-century
    http://www.energy-transitions.org/mission-possible

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    pat

    lengthy, full-on attack:

    19 Nov: Daily Beast: Why Is a Climate Change Skeptic Headlining Science Conferences?
    Peter Ward’s arguments about the source of climate change have been denounced by scientists. That hasn’t stopped him from presenting his ideas at prominent conferences.
    by Bahar Gholipour
    The Geological Society of America—the country’s premier research and professional organization for geologists—met in Indianapolis earlier this month.
    Amidst the otherwise nerdy, sleepy lectures on volcanoes, rocks, and other natural formations was one from Peter L. Ward, a retired geophysicist, who delivered a talk on how volcanic eruptions—not greenhouse gases—are behind climate change.

    That’s odd, since the role of greenhouse gas emissions as the primary cause driving climate change is universally backed by scientists…

    “He’s a crackpot that is not taken seriously in the scientific community.”
    — Michael Mann, professor of atmospheric science and director of Earth System Science Center at Penn State University…

    Ward is unfazed by these reactions. Where others see a “crackpot,” he sees a maverick scientist heralding “a revolution in science” and “going up against the world order.”
    “There is a fundamental error in physics which turns out to show there is a major problem with greenhouse gas theory,” Ward told The Daily Beast, calling from the GSA meeting. “I’ve read up on all the revolutions in science and it almost always gets down to one person, two people, three people that make a discovery that will eventually begin to catch on. Those ideas always come from a single scientist who works day and night.”…

    The GSA stood by its decision to host Ward.
    “Our meeting is extremely open and we encourage inclusion and diversity of thought,” the GSA’s Stratton said. “That said, we know sometimes science can be controversial and we leave up it to scientists at the meeting to review it.”…

    Has Ward changed anyone’s mind yet? “I’m getting close,” he said.
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-is-a-climate-change-skeptic-headlining-science-conferences?utm_campaign=Carbon%20Brief%20Daily%20Briefing&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Revue%20newsletter

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      AndyG55

      Mickey Mann calling ANYONE a “crackpot”, has to be the height of irony

      The guy is already has both foot in the loonie bin !!!

      Mickey Mann.. it is YOU that is the LAUGHING STOCK !!!

      Your so-called “science” is a total and absolute FARCE.

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    Steve Richards

    It will start to sink in when black outs occur more frequently. We had a short one on the south coast of the UK last night. Only 30 mins but what a talking point at work the following day. People were talking about their whole house shutting down, doctors surgeries closed, mobiles stopping working.

    But, they all said, we are lucky it does not happen often.

    Just wait…..

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      Craig Thomas

      Wouldn’t happen if they built a few Tesla batteries like the South Australian government built.
      What happened with the you-beaut Hinkley nuclear power station? Oh, it’s running over budget and over time and the poor poms are going to have to wait over a decade before it comes online, at which point they will be paying double price for their power.

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        AndyG55

        Tesla batteries can carry a system for 20 or so minutes maximum..

        to try to ward off the erratic wind and solar feed-in.

        … and at an exorbitant price.

        Nuclear will never work when governments get in the way.

        UK still has plenty of coal left, and gas if they allowed themselves to use it..

        And you do know that there is no empirical evidence that CO2 causes atmospheric warming, don’t you , CT ??? !!

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        sophocles

        Each day SA’s battery lasts, is SA’s good fortune.
        This one died during installation [https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/engie-investigates-source-of-belgian-battery-blaze]

        Tesla batteries have a reputation …

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        sophocles

        Craig:
        You’re behind the times. Hinkley Point is not running over time, nor is it running over budget.

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    robert rosicka

    ABC were interviewing an “Economist ” that advises Bernie Sanders , she says that there is no reason why Australia can’t give / create Government jobs for every citizen .
    Although pegged inflation as a minor inconvenience.

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    NB

    The left seems always to be concerned about Australia’s image abroad. How does ‘laughing stock’ sound?

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    Craig Thomas

    Sticking with obsolete coal-fired power stations is how to break the grid.

    New technologies are working really well, eg,

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/sep/27/south-australias-tesla-battery-on-track-to-make-back-a-third-of-cost-in-a-year

    “The Tesla lithium-ion battery in South Australia is on track to make back a third of its construction costs in its first year of operation, new financial documents show.”

    And only 15% of that was government contract payments, the rest was just the free market rewarding a very efficient system. Presumably future batteries will barely need any government involvement at all, unlike new coal generators which are demanding massive subsidies in order to be viable.
    The UK’s new Hinkley nuclear power station only got off the ground when the government agreed to give its operators a price guarantee of about DOUBLE the market rate for wholesale electricity, so 60% higher than the cost of producing power using wind generators, a subsidy the tax payer is saddled with, estimated by the National Audit Office to be a 50 billion pounds liability.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-06/tesla-battery-outperforms-coal-and-gas/9625726

    “According to AEMO the speed, precision and agility of the battery is unprecedented in dealing with both major power system disturbances and day-to-day frequency variations.
    And on December 18 it got the chance to prove it, when a coal generator in New South Wales tripped.
    The battery was able to respond to the sudden loss of 689 megawatts of generation within a fraction of a second.”

    “According to the report, early evidence shows the battery is helping cut some of the costs borne by South Australian electricity users.”

    “To put it in context, on a single day in October 2016, the Australian Energy Regulator found the cost of regulation services within SA exceeded $4.5 million, while buying these services has cost the state more than $50 million since 2015.
    But with the battery now offering FCAS services at lower prices, the South Australian market has not seen similar price spikes over Summer.”

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      el gordo

      Cory Bernardi is suggesting nuclear power for Australia, but startup cost is around $9 billion, whereas a state of the art coal fired plant is $3 billion.

      Could you give me the price of a renewable set up with batteries?

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      sophocles

      Craig:
      you were awarded your degree in Electrical Engineering (Power Generation, Distribution and Control) from what school?

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        robert rosicka

        He is not much of an engineer when he can’t understand a battery doesn’t generate power and it’s effective life span is dependant on use .

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          sophocles

          He’s not an engineer, just a smart parrot.

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          Craig Thomas

          Robert, please clarify which part of the following has you confused:
          “is on track to make back a third of its construction costs in its first year of operation”.

          If this thing pays for itself in 3 years, that would make it one of the most successful infrastructure projects ever.

          And do you not think that electricity consumers should be pleased that, thanks to the battery,
          ” the South Australian market has not seen similar price spikes over Summer”?

          Is there going to come a point at any stage where you re-evaluate your luddism and accept modern technology that will improve both the environment as well as the electricity grid?

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      AndyG55

      That’s because when the battery is used to back up DIPS in the erratic , unreliable power from wind and solar, and they charge like a wounded bull.

      Seems that it is needed much more often than predicted, hence more income.. what a CON !!!.

      You do know that if it was actually needed for anything but emergency back=up for erratic micro periods, it would barely last 20-30 minutes, don’t you.??

      Obsolete coal can STILL churn out 90% + of nameplate even after 50-60 years of operation, something wind and solar can NEVER get anywhere near.

      Modern coal HELE type plants is what Australia SHOULD be building instead of faffing around with erratic non-delivery from wind and solar.

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        Craig Thomas

        That’s funny, because what the AEMO was particularly focussed on was the unreliability of the coal-fired generators:

        “On December 18 it got the chance to prove it, when a coal generator in New South Wales tripped.
        The battery was able to respond to the sudden loss of 689 megawatts of generation within a fraction of a second.”

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      Annie

      Citing ‘Their’ ABC and The Guardian….ok….riiight?

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      AndyG55

      “Sticking with obsolete coal-fired power stations is how to break the grid.”

      RUBBISH !!! The grid is starting to break BECAUSE those old RELIABLES have not been properly maintained dues to the green agenda and massive anti-coal gerrymander.

      In the months before being closed, the 3 turbines running at Hazelwood were operating at around 95% nameplate 24/7.

      That sort or RELIABILITY and DELIVERABLE CAPACITY can NEVER come from wind and solar, no matter how much you spend on batteries.

      Wind and solar have very little, IF ANY, Deliverable Capacity.

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        sophocles

        Yep. The Grid could be stabilized overnight by one act: removing all so-called renewables, wind, PV, pumped hydro, the lot. The big battery could be sold off to Germany because it would no longer be needed.
        It would then be so stable we could all go back to sleep.

        Act 2 to bring prices right down, is adding more coal burners and nuclear—stuff which not only just runs but is capable of doing the heavy lifting at the same time.

        CT, like all the Gullible vacuum heads, has it exactly back to front.

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          Craig Thomas

          Both wind and solar are now cheaper than coal, and their price is still coming down.

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            Graeme No.3

            Good. We can cancel all those subsidies. And don’t bother waffling about non existent subsidies because if renewables are cheaper than existing conventional generators now, then renewables don’t need subsidies.

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      Kinky Keith

      I’m just so glad that we are on track and transitioning smoothly.

      I don’t like bumps on the renewable future highway.

      It may look like a dirt track at the moment but ct assures us it will eventually be a highway.

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    Harry Passfield

    It’s probably been said many times: the end is despite the reasons. Global warming mitigation is an excuse, not a reason for screwing the economy. The reason is the long-held beliefs of a dark-red political cult who will destroy society in order to dominate it with their beliefs. The fight back is long overdue.

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    Drapetomania

    The problem is..no matter what the Liberals campaign on..if it was anything “radical”..it would never get through the senate no matter what % of the population support their mandate…they will stick to trying to mould policies to appeal to the left…and to keep making their own voter base go for splinter parties..they dont have the guts to push anything we would all like to see..

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    mundi

    In terms of why they are blaming a 250MW generator for putting into emergency status the 55,000MW grid, its simple:

    They are preparing the populance brainwashing over who to blame when power blacks out. They will start seeding the idea that the problem was an ‘unrelaible’ thermal generator. If only we had more solar and wind.

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