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Wealthy countries accused of trying to keep their money to themselves

“Paris” is rock solid and on the brink simultaneously

In a kind of Schrodinger’s-Agreement Paris means everything and nothing all at once. The Grand Emissions-Mouth says every country on Earth has signed up except the US.  The Giant Money-Mouth says it’s unravelling, an emergency and on the brink.

How can that be? Spot the pea. This strange superposition can exist because the emissions agreement is vaporware: 200 countries signed up but almost none of them are going to meet their agreement and no one cares. On the money side though, almost no one is going to give or get what they expected, and it’s a complete bunfight down to the last comma.

It was and always is, about The Money

No one gives a toss about the CO2:

The Paris climate change agreement has started to unravel as a dispute over a $US100 billion-a-year climate fund prompts new demands that developing countries be given greater freedoms to increase their emissions.

Environment groups have claimed the Paris deal was “on the brink” after an emergency meeting in Bangkok at the weekend failed to reach consensus on crucial details on how the agreement would be managed.

The body established to distribute the limited funding that had been raised to date has been gripped by turmoil. A meeting of the GCF in July disintegrated into acrimony over who should control the money, leading to the resignation of Australian chairman Howard Bamsey.

The cash cows want to issue loans they can get back or use for power games. They want transparency and control. The cash-cowees want freedom to spend their free money, and want it to be more-more-more than just rebadged foreign aid. Who wouldn’t?

Negotiators said a key issue had been whether loans could be counted as part of the $US100 billion a year financing promise.

The Bankok bunfight was meant to settle the rules on money before the next two-week COP junket in Poland in December when thousands of activists and activist-scientists are rewarded for their faith and creative interpretation of raw data.

Wikimedia: US Dollars in Uncut sheet.  Christopher Hollis for Wdwic Pictures

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    Mal

    Finally the real agenda. They are “Parisites”.

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      If it has anything to do with the UN, it’s always about the money and nothing else.

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        Dennis

        That has been admitted by several UN Officials including Christiana Figureres in October 2015 before the Paris Conference commended end of November 2015.

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          OriginalSteve

          Lest we forget that this is about wealth redistribution ( aka Socialism )….

          http://www.thegwpf.com/ipcc-official-climate-policy-is-redistributing-the-worlds-wealth/

          “First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy.

          Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this.

          One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy.

          This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole.”

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            OriginalSteve

            joannenova.com.au/2015/09/flashback-ipcc-official-admits-un-climate-meetings-redistribute-wealth-largest-economic-conference-since-wwii

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        Those who look to the successful as examples will thrive, while those who look to the successful with envy will bleed them dry and never be satisfied. Climate reparations was a two pronged solution that both provided an excuse to legitimize envy as it inferred guilt on those they wished to bleed dry.

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    Just Thinkin'

    This is the best news I’ve heard for ages.

    But us poor Aussies will still be left short-
    changed by our nongs of pollies…

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      el gordo

      Julie Bishop thought the ‘rebadged foreign aid’ to the Pacific islands was a perfectly legitimate arrangement.

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        Mal

        Jewelry Bishop was part of the problem. She needs to go, as well as anyone who supported this policy.
        New broom needed now.
        The tide is turning.
        In the end people are hurting in the hip pocket and in employment opportunities for the the current and future generations.
        Keep on this path and when what is left of the middle class starts to hurt, there will be social disorder.
        They will be looking for someone to blame.

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    Ruairi

    “We will all step up to the plate”.
    Promised many a nation and state,
    But on sober reflection,
    For the Paris collection,
    They prefer to just sit tight and wait.

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    Michael Reed

    Yep it sure is about the money(just like Alex T son of Mal T) .Last junket in Paris cost over $1000 million dollars in private jets ,5 star accommodation,Michelin restaurants security etc, etc, etc.
    Any” emerging country”delegates (corrupt dictatorships) would have to think-what about a share in a mere $100 million .Its only about OPM -Other Peoples Money
    As Ive said before the sooner the Australian electorate get over the three nonsense words and phrases -Emmissions (what’s that anyway -farting ??),Paris Agreement
    (a contradiction in terms) and the grand daddy of all Climate Change (nebulous phrase that says nothing!!!!) then this whole ridiculous hood winking charade will
    continue.
    Cheers Mike Reed

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    Mark M

    Apocalyptic Groundhog Days reach tipping point …

    it’s deja vu all over again!

    U.N. Chief Warns of a Dangerous Tipping Point on Climate Change

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/10/climate/united-nations-climate-change.html

    Where will global warming “run away” to… and can it take all the climate bedwetters with it?

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    toorightmate

    It will be as hot as hell for the COP junket in Poland in December due to global warming – wont it?

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    frederik wisse

    Let Maxine Waters arrange the distribution of the money , one thing for sure will happen a large chunk of the money will end up in hers and her relatives pockets . As a matter of fact she represents the US Sunshine state . How about the 3rd world African and Asian states ?Will they handle these matters more professionally ? Anybody that still believes in fairy tales ?

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    Dennis

    How terrible that the world government in waiting cannot tax people directly.

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    el gordo

    Okay, its dodgy polling but three-quarters of the Australian electorate is brain dead.

    ‘A study tracking voter sentiment for more than a decade, funded first by the Climate Institute and now by the Australia Institute, finds 73% (up from 66% in 2017) of respondents concerned about climate change, and a clear majority, 68%, believes the government should set domestic targets to comply with our Paris commitments.

    ‘An increased 67% want coal-fired power to be phased out within 20 years, up from 61% in 2017.’

    Guardian

    ———–

    Any ideas on how to turn this around before Xmas?

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      Sean

      Put an insert in their electric bill that shows what they would owe in different jurisdictions along with the amount of renewable energy used to generate their power.

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      robert rosicka

      Dodgy polling indeed and probably a survey of ABC staff , sheeple care more about the price of electricity than the Paris “agreement ” and if the Libs want to salvage the furniture they need to seperate themselves from Labor and the Greens on energy.

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      Graeme No.3

      el gordo:

      Stop reading stuff from The Guardian?
      97% of Doctors (to make up a figure) recommend it as a good way of reducing blood pressure and the risk of injury when ROFLOL.

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      sophocles

      Promise them Safe, reliable Liquid Fuel Thorium Reactors. Terrestrial Energy are almost through their certification and could have all electricity in Aus powered by nuclear by then. No sweat.

      Start education with the advantages of LFTR technology …

      Safe:
      - no China Syndrome (Chinese Patents don’t count) if the coolant fails (no coolant to fail) so no explosion danger.
      - no fuel reprocessing required
      - can burn all fuel down to non-radioactive ash so no fuel storage required.

      In other words: all the problems of pressure water-cooled reactors do not exist.

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        el gordo

        Sounds good, I’ll take three. How long before its fully operational?

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          sophocles

          I don’t know exactly when.

          Certification for Terrestrial Energy should be completed by next year (2019) so it won’t be at all long after that. Then there are the others such as Flibe, My best guess is within five years.
          (You might take 30 :-) ).

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      shannon

      Do we believe the figures ..considering it appears in the Guardian ??
      I believe 50% of Australians ARE brain dead ..unfortunately..
      Only education, more stats from OS Countries, and higher electricity prices, could turn this around !

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        el gordo

        I’ll settle for Tony Abbott saying to Cameron and Dean that ‘the science is crap and I’ll tell you why….’

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        David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

        G’day Shannon,
        I reckon they’ve cold called people and asked them if they believe in “climate change”, and the respondents have validly said “of course”. But the question being asked was “Do you believe in ‘Climate Change’ as defined by the IPCC, previously labelled Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming caused by human produced CO2?”.
        I further suspect the respondents answer to the latter would range more widely, and include “No!” and “WTF”, with “Yes” nearer 3%.
        So no, I don’t believe the figures.
        Cheers,
        Dave B

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    Sean

    The climate fund is a slush fund to buy votes. Most of the countries that might see these funds have figured out they are often re-purposed from foreign aid budgets. Perhaps the difficulty of the negotiations in Bankok is the old adage, “fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me”.

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    Kinky Keith

    Liked the sarcasm,

    That’s about all this situation deserves.

    As I’ve said on many occasions, the Elites no longer need wars to quickly gain wealth.

    The days of crushing another country to get the gold in its vaults is gone.

    First, the gold has all been spent or divvied up amongst the local Elites: but more importantly the Elites can store cash for the Future in one of the many U.N. or EEU subcommittees where they can “drawn down” a cool $10 Million a year on retirement from their local job.

    New York is good enough any time of the year and even Bruxelles is tolerable when you have unlimited funds to live on.

    It is urgent that we get out of the U.N. and avoid any involvement with the EEU.

    We must do this for the sake of our children and our children’s children.

    KK

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      OriginalSteve

      I was thinking about this recently.

      Lets assume Australia goes down the s bend and winds up as a full blown socialist country.

      Eventually, people will get jack of it. What then?

      You cant keep the lid on an entire population who know what life was like before Communism, and can communicate with each other easily….just doenst work….

      What then?

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        sophocles

        You cant keep the lid on an entire population who know what life was like before Communism,

        Oh yes you can. Stalin (and Beria) showed the world how. One generation is enough.

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    Kinky Keith

    Jo.
    Small correction.

    The heading needs an “l”.

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      David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

      Again my predictive-text adjusted eyes found the missing “l” as I registered the word as intended.
      Fascinating.
      Cheers,
      Dave B

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        That was some trick. I went looking for the missing capital i and had to read the heading three times. Fixed. I shouldn’t be spelling at 2am. (And when will wordpress get a spell checker on the headline?)

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          David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

          It took me longer as I was looking for an “eye” rather than an “ell”.
          Cheers,
          Dave B

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          sophocles

          I shouldn’t be spelling at 2am.

          True. ;-)
          But it’s better than spelling at 3am.

          There’s only one problem: it doesn’t matter when we’re doing it; we are our own worst proof readers at any time of the day. We see what we meant to write more readily than what we actually wrote. It seems to be part of the human condition …

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            Kinky Keith

            Sop,

            You’ve hit on an important aspect of psychology there.

            The human brain would go into overland if it had to assess every new situation from scratch.

            It uses templets based on previous experience to Interpret every new experience.

            We might call it a short cut, which may lead to overlooking spelling mistakes.

            We are human.

            And I like the challenge.

            KK

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              Kinky Keith

              Autocorrect; Soph.

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              sophocles

              I wrote a book, once over 25 years ago. I still shudder to think about all the goofs I discovered after it was printed. And that was after crawling through and over the text many times. It would have been a lot faster and better to have had someone else proof it.

              But I was younger and way overconfident back then.

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                sophocles

                I would rather fight with just my own mind than that and Redmond’s as well (or wherever the AC came from). Besides: you should see some of the … umm … interesting interpretations Auto Correct can impose. I speak and write English, not American. That makes Auto Correct even worse …

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                W/out that youthful confidence yer might not
                have done it. Songs of innocence and experience,
                lots of inventiveness by the young and curious.
                Can that happen today with mind and behavior-
                controlling K-12 massaging ‘education’ curriculum?

                …Please ter fergive the multiple comments… Scotch
                on the rocks x two ter assuage the gloom of what I’ve
                been readin’. Should have had more! :(

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          Kinky Keith

          Sorry.

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          David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

          G’day Jo,
          Don’t know what you fixed, but the header here was still “Weathy” a few moments ago.
          Cheers,
          Dave B

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    PeterS

    If the Schrodinger’s cat analogy is to be applied to the Paris Agreement the solution is simply to lift the lid off the box and reveal to all that the cat is dead.

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      Graeme No.3

      PeterS:

      Ah! But was the cat in the box at all?

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        OriginalSteve

        Judging by the smell…yes….. :-)

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        sophocles

        To Graeme No. 3 @ #13.1:
        who asked:

        But was the cat in the box at all?

        No, the cat wasn’t in the box at all. Maurice Strong had paid it all, millions of dollars, into the coffers of one of his companies. He then promptly retired to China, which doesn’t have any extradition treaties for the UN to get its millions of dollars back. Then he almost as promptly died. Bye bye money.

        He had already said, several times, that he liked working with the UN. He then showed us all why: No Accountability, enabling massive theft. Agenda 2030 promises to end poverty in all its forms everywhere without any mention of how it proposes such a task. Maurice Strong’s theft shows the likely method: a kleptocratic bureaucracy.

        Agenda 2030 takes real climate science not into account at all and makes propaganda promises the UN will be unable to meet; eg: food security.

        The New World Order for 2030…. looks Good, officially, if you can believe the propaganda. It will most likely be the opposite of whats’ being claimed: a terrible tyranny. That’s the trouble with Nature: it doesn’t believe UN propaganda either.

        The One Major trouble with Capitalism is: it works.

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          Latus Dextro

          The New World Order for 2030…. looks Good, officially, if you can believe the propaganda.

          Oh, it warbles away in UN-speak, a unique use of language, but it is horrible, obvious and platitudinous. I’ll wager the language is the output of a buried UN secretariat charged with manufacturing the defining language of the Rainbow Cult’s current line up of fashionable victim groups, the so called, “oppressed.” They also specialise in the redefinition of words and phrases in a manner that intentionally conflates the original meaning with the desired propaganda, “civil society” being a most egregious example, even beyond the absurdly unfalsifiable UNFCCC definition of “climate change.”

          Presently some 5,083 NGOs “enjoying active consultative status with UN ECOSOC“, a very substantial increase (doubling) in very recent years. “Civil society” is the “third sector” of society, along with government and business. It comprises civil society organizations and non-governmental organizations. The UN recognizes the importance of partnering with civil society, because it advances the Organization’s ideals, and helps support its work.

          “Civil Society” is intentionally conflated with civilised society. They are NOT the same at all, and yet the strong implication is that they are. Not being a member of the in-crowd, the ‘civil’ bunch, suggests the obvious, uncivilised, or at the least uncivil.

          So the question is, if you’re not a member of UN Civil Society, what are you then?

          Alinsky stated: Identify, isolate, freeze and escalate. This is exactly what UN language is designed to do

          The gulags aren’t so far away.

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    Ross

    “Environment groups have claimed the Paris deal was “on the brink” after an emergency meeting in Bangkok at the weekend failed to reach consensus on crucial details on how the agreement would be managed.”

    Translation : The Paris agreement is not working, so we must have bigger talkfest ( Poland, I think is next) and plan a grander agreement to get us through to the talkfest planned after the that one.

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    OriginalSteve

    Whats “weathy”?

    Jo, you’ve fallen prey to my style of typing…. :-)

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      sophocles

      What? No, no, she very cleverly left out the money. UK currency used to be L. S. D. with the ‘L’ represented as £ as in Libra, Solidae and Denarii (pounds, shillings and pence), ergo Weathy without the £ has no money whereas Wea£thy has. :-)

      (At least, it would have before decimal currency mucked it all up.)

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    Rupert Ashford

    It was always going to be about the $$$. Just after the “Parisites Agreement”, the figure of $100B was raised and no-one said too much about it, until someone clarified that it was in fact $100B PER YEAR and then a few more started taking notice… $100B is not small change by any stretch of the imagination – you can beat the “climate change” drum to win votes as long as you can hoodwink the sheeple out of their $$$ via a carbon tax (either in the open or by stealth), but if you start hitting peoples hip pockets hard every year it could become a real election losing issue, and no politician will risk their own prosperity in that way – Paris be d….ned.

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    Roy Hogue

    Question: what sane person would not want to keep what they earned by hard work and diligence?

    Answer: No one I know.

    Apply the question above to nations and think about my answer.

    Helping others is a good ting to do but giving them a free ride or allowing yourself to be ripped off is quite another matter.

    Just from my own personal point of view, the United States has been sitting here for how many hundred years now showing the world the way to prosperity by allowing individual freedom to flourish? We were such a unique appearance on the scene that an otherwise probably obscure Frenchman, Alexis de Tocqueville wrote a book about us. And yet most of the world continued down the road they had been traveling in spite of the example we set.

    If imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, where are all the imitators? There are not many and we ourselves are tying as hard as we can to turn our freedom around from a blessing to a curse.

    Thank you but no thanks. I’ll keep more of our money and spend it better and accomplish more with it than giving it away or spending it as someone else thinks we should. Let the paris agreement be shown up for what it really is, highway robbery in the guise of good world citizenship.

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      Kinky Keith

      That, Roy, sounds like a Call to Arms.

      KK

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        Roy Hogue

        Probably no one will see this, KK. But I wish it could be a real call to arms. But we’re so afraid of the possibility of a fight that we lose our freedoms first instead of fighting. Where are the Patrick Henrys, Thomas Jeffersons, George Washingtons and other such men of this world?

        Do they even exist anymore? Is Donald Trump just an aberration in American politics?

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          Kinky Keith

          I’m amazed that President Trump, rough mannered, loopy even, seems to be focusing the USA in a new direction and then setting it in motion.

          Even more informative is the very open opposition to his election which helps to see what was wrong with the crowd that occupied the White House and government offices before him.

          Sadly, the people of Britain and Australia have a lot more fighting to go through before we start moving away from the false government imposed on us by the U.N. and EEU.

          So much of our tax money has been fed out of the country and has been “disappeared” to somewhere near the U.N. or Clintonian Compassion Fund that we should have alarm bells ringing. But nothing. We seem to have no control over the Blob.

          KK

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            Latus Dextro

            With POTUS DJT, you need to be able to separate the signal and actions from the noise, while keeping in mind the noise also has purpose.

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              Kinky Keith

              Yes.

              There’s more to being POTUS than standing behind the Presidential lectern, looking and sounding Presidential.

              If you are simultaneously ruining your country while chasing down a false flag item like CAGW how much respect should you be given.

              When on holidays I get to watch American TV with the overhyped “news” shows.

              It is unpleasant, uncivilized, uninformative and over top on emotional content.

              With the previous President, the reality was being covered over and disguised with verbiage. What opinion did he have of his audience?

              KK

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