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    Mark D.

    The Dems and anti Trump types have figured out what to do: Use the legal system for an endless supply of lawsuits. Everyone around Trump must be living in fear of legal actions that cost money. Even frivolous suits are expensive.

    I think Trump should start doling out pardons and quickly.

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      Bite Back

      On what Trump should do, I say, fire the special council and Attorney General Sessions and take the heat and keep on going.

      Stall, stall and stall the lawsuits until election day 2020 at which time he might just find himself president for a second term.

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        I supported firing the Special Council immediately,
        but we’ve reached the point where it may be
        counterproductive (for the 2018 elections)
        especially because Mueller is no longer
        investigating Trump (directly),
        or the fake claim of Russian collusion.

        Trump was never the “colluding type”
        – he could barely ‘collude’ with the
        Republican Party, who he was supposed
        to collude with to win the election !

        It would be hard to justify firing Rod Rosenstein
        or Chris Wray since they are Republicans,
        so what other Republican would want to replace them?

        I could justify firing Sessions,
        also a Republican, but he seems
        to have little control over his subordinates,
        and limited control of his organization

        The use of a Special Council, with no limits
        on what he can “investigate”, has led to
        a witch hunt that is only gathering “evidence”
        for a future impeachment of Trump,
        if Democrats ever gain control
        of the House.

        Trump has withstood the harshest attack
        that I know of on an American president
        (excluding gun attacks), and although
        I don’t agree with all of his policies,
        he is trying to deliver what he promised
        before the election, which is rare for any
        president.

        My politics blog:
        http://www.ElectionCircus.Blogspot.com

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      Hanrahan

      It’s a deliberate plan to isolate Trump by harassing his allies so much that they will not risk their reputation, liberty and house to join him. Mike Flynn was beaten by process to the point where he could not fight any more, he already had to sell his house and his son was threatened. That’s not justice.

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        Bite Back

        None of it is justice. But if we capitulate we lose not just a house but our country.

        If justice was the objective this would be a different planet. But the objective is power, pure, simple, raw power. Starting in 1775 we stood up against a tyrannical king because the loss of freedom was even worse to those colonists than loss of a house or the loss of even their lives.

        The stakes are that high again today and where is the 2018 Patrick Henry? I don’t see him. Trey Gowdy has resigned from the House of Representatives and gone home to practice law. He was the best of the best in that house of congress and he gave it up in frustration.

        Do you know how many times George Washington lost a battle? He lost so many times his advisors were telling him to give it up and go home. Instead he kept going and finally captured the Hessian garrison at Trenton, New Jersey even though a lot of his plan went wrong, so wrong that he should have failed there too except that the Hessians were lazy and slept in. And from there on he was a winner. He kept his army together at Valley Forge through a bitter cold winter so he would still have an army left in the spring to confront the British again, with many of his men short of adequate clothing, some even without shoes. I have no doubt that Washington would rather have been snug at home in front of a roaring fire that winter but he stayed instead.

        Have we grown so used to our convenience that we can’t keep up the fight at so little risk as a house.

        What good is it to keep a house now only to lose even the right to own a house a few years or decades down the road?

        I know what my answer is. I hope you all do too.

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          Hanrahan

          I’m with you, if only for selfish reasons: Where you go we will follow. And I don’t think you are being melodramatic, the “west” is in a bitter fight for survival. If the black hats topple trump he and his family will be broken, bankrupt and probably in jail. I have no doubt that his enemies would assassinate him in a heartbeat given the opportunity. I think he is a very brave man, he is running a terrible risk when he could have been living a comfortable life jet setting around playing golf on some of the most beautiful courses in the world.

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          OriginalSteve

          Judges can refuse cases if deemed frivolous….

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          NB

          ‘The stakes are that high again today’
          Yes.

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      John of Cloverdale, WA, Australia

      Trump is considering a pardon for the great heavyweight boxer, Jack Johnson.
      https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2018/04/21/who-is-jack-johnson-the-boxer-trump-is-considering-for-posthumous-pardon/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.5862d638dc85
      For those who don’t know, Jack Johnson fought Tommy Burns for the world heavyweight title at Rushcutters Bay in 1908.
      https://sydneylivingmuseums.com.au/stories/boxing-day-1908-burns-v-johnson

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    Bite Back

    If Trump does not find a way to stomp all over the sanctuary city-state activity soon he’s making a bad mistake. There has got to be a federal law being broken when you pass laws ordering public employees to violate federal law.

    These favored groups are nothing more than trespassers in the same sense as if they walked right into my house and made themselves at home. They deserve the same punishment.

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      Sceptical Sam

      The “sanctuary city-state activity” is the Democrat’s modern take on its historical opposition to the abolition of slavery; same motivation with a slightly different strategy.

      It should come as no surprise that the Democrats dress up their actions in the language of compassion. They learnt the art of deception over a long period of time. “Sanctuary Cities” is about supplying cheap labour and maintaining the lifestyle of their corrupt financial base.

      Of course, the Democrats have always been the party of cheap labour. First it was the party of slavery. The party of Jim Crow. The KKK was a Democrat Party off-shoot. It was the party that fought long, hard and dirty against the Republicans’ 1957 Civil Rights Act.

      It’s in their DNA. They know nothing else. That’s why they must be defeated.

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        OriginalSteve

        Wasnt it the democrats who organized to assassinate Abe Lincoln?

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          Sceptical Sam

          There’s a debate as to whether he was a Copperhead or a War Democrat. Allegedly he was an initiate in the Knights of the Golden Circle which was predominantly made up of Copperheads.

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          Hanrahan

          It was democrats who assassinated JFK. They don’t like it when someone strays from their idea of the straight and narrow.

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          OriginalSteve

          I did some more research, it seems the Democrats of the 1860s were pro-slavery generally and feared a racially integrared country. Lincoln was pushing for abolition of slavery.

          Booth, who assassinated Lincoln, from what ive read, appears to be strongly againt integration of negros with whites in the same vein as the Democrats at the time.I cant definitively say he was a Demicrat, but seems to hold Southern Democratic values at the time.

          Booth also had a few co-conspiritirs, all Southerners, and inspired by John Browns actions.

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            el gordo

            Slavery was distorting the financial market and had to be abolished if the country was to remain united.

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        Bite Back

        Sam,

        The “sanctuary city-state activity” is the Democrat’s modern take on its historical opposition to the abolition of slavery;

        I don’t get the connection. But maybe it’s unimportant because I think their motivation is quite different.

        In California it’s become obvious over the years that the Democrats are dedicated to cementing in single party rule. Every move they make says this as loud as if they broadcast it from a truck going up and down the streets everywhere using a PA system.

        It’s now evident nationally. The Washington DC city council has proposed giving sixteen year olds the right to vote, including in presidential elections. That is not even a thinly disguised effort to take advantage of all the students protesting for more gun control. They know how those young voters will vote. Amd they all ignore the obvious fact that criminals don’t obey laws and will still have guns with which to wreck havoc wherever they want to.

        The argument they’ve given amounts to: we trust sixteen year olds to drive, why not trust them to vote? This ignores the fact that sixteen and seventeen year old drivers rack up accidents at a far greater rate than any other group except the elderly. Nice basis for trust, isn’t it?

        They want voters that their teachers or some party hack can give a list of candidates to vote fore, a list of other measures to vote yes or no on. And that amounts to one person voting maybe dozens, hundreds, thousands and maybe even millions of times. And it’s something totally the antithesis of what an election is all about, that each voter is informed and makes their own individual decision about each candidate, each office, each ballot measure.

        I’m sure each of you could tell me how thoughtful and informed about politics you were at sixteen. We foolishly gave eighteen year olds the vote, How good a voter were you at that age. I couldn’t vote until I was twenty one and I know how much I didn’t know about the issues and the candidates at that age.

        I don’t want to write a book here but think about what I’ve said.

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          sophocles

          This ignores the fact that sixteen and seventeen year old drivers rack up accidents at a far greater rate than any other group except the elderly.

          That is an irrelevant argument. Accident rates are always high among those with the least experience. The more the experience, the fewer the accidents. That applies to all age groups: ask any insurance company.

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            Bute Back

            I’ll argue that it is relevant because it speaks directly about the trustworthiness of sixteen year olds. The reason for the untrustworthiness is what’s irrelevant. The sixteen year old in fact is not able to comprehend the responsibility of driving adequately nor is he able to comprehend the responsibility of voting. Both are, as you said, a result of inexperience. Both are a problem.

            In direct reply to your implied question, I think life experience counts in both cases. I think those who wrote our constitution are screaming at us from their graves, “No, no ,no…no…” repeatedly and have been for a long time. They didn’t envision life as it is today. Then the young were responsible for much more than I would trust today’s sixteen year old with. And we’re losing sight of the responsibility issue.

            Again, I don’t want to write a book so just think about what I’m saying.

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              Sceptical Sam

              I agree with you.

              Giving the vote to 16 year-olds is an accident waiting to happen.

              That’s why drivers in Australia are issued with a Provisional Licence for the first two years and are required to display “P” plates at all times whilst in control of a vehicle. They must have zero alcohol in their bloodstream whilst driving and cannot exceed 80 kph – if I remember correctly. Even with all that they still die at a disproportionate rate.

              Young drivers (17 – 25 years) represent one-quarter of all Australian road deaths, but are only 10 – 15% of the licensed driver population

              A 17 year old driver with a P1 licence is four times more likely to be involved in a fatal crash than a driver over 26 years

              https://www.youngdriverfactbase.com/key-statistics/

              Give ‘em the vote and we’ll be Venezuela MkII before you know it.

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    Another Ian

    “Where exactly is the problem?”

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/04/20/where-exactly-is-the-problem/

    And comments

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      manalive

      The huge escalation of human CO2 emissions after ~1945 must have had some effect, the question is how much to which there is no possible answer because the natural climate system “… is a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore the long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible …” (IPCC).
      Willis Eschenbach is not correct attributing one trend as natural and the other supposedly due to C02.
      The label should read human C02 emissions?.
      Of course the alarmists claim the pre-’45 trend was due to other human activities mainly deforestation but deforestation didn’t stop in 1945.

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        manalive

        That’s the pre-’45 temperature trend.

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        Kinky Keith

        Hi Manalive, the linked graph is one that alarmists would love because of the one item omitted.

        What’s missing is the total output of Nature to compare with.

        It would also be interesting to see the detail involved in the annual turnover of CO2 between the oceans and the atmosphere.

        But then again, what greenie is going to want that info on public display?

        :-) politics, the only area of human endeavour that has gone ahead in leaps and bounds in the last 20 years.

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    RAH

    Here is the sign that the Muller probe is going nowhere and the democrats are getting very desperate:
    DNC Files Frivolous Campaign Lawsuit, Trump Campaign Responds: We Look Forward To Discovery…

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/04/20/dnc-files-frivolous-campaign-lawsuit-trump-campaign-responds-we-look-forward-to-discovery/

    Everything they have launched is getting ready to come back and bite them. The wheels turn very slowly, but they still turn. Andrew McCabe is just the first for criminal referral.

    And then there is another scandal that has been on the back burner for a year that is going to be coming to the forefront now that it has been confirmed that Classified information ended up in the hands of Pakistani intelligence. http://dailycaller.com/2018/04/18/imran-awan-usb-drive-pakistan/

    The stripper story has failed to divert from these real scandals because the American people just don’t care about the harlot or her lawyers claims. And so the democrats have had to try a new diversion. A diversion that has much greater potential to damage and expose them than anything having to do with the POTUS or his presidential campaign.

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      robert rosicka

      I’m still at a loss for how what the Don may or may not have slept with affects his Presidency?

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        Kinky Keith

        Why were the carryings on of JFK, RFK and WJC not used as a baseline by which to judge the current incumbent.

        Perhaps it’s because he shows no respect for the dangers™ of carbon dioxide gas or the banking version: carbon credits™.

        Who is supposed to be running the world, the media or the elected governments?

        KK

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        Hanrahan

        Even if he sets the Koreas on a path to unification [it can't happen in a single term] he will not be praised for it. The haters will say Obama started it all.

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        RAH

        The amoral left has constantly preached to the Evangelicals and social conservatives on the right about the moral failings, real or imagined, of conservative candidates and politicians. They have constantly sought to use the faith against the faithful to try and get them to vote against their own political/social interests and it has worked at times in the past. But no more. Even the Evangelicals have caught on. Thus the failure of the Stormy allegations to damage Trump despite their being trumpeted and hyped from the mountain tops by the legacy press. His job approval poll numbers have actually gone up during the period despite the legacy press slamming him in every way they can daily though only Rasmussen has ever shown him positive territory from what I’ve seen.

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    Another Ian

    “18 examples of the spectacularly wrong predictions made around the first “Earth Day” in 1970″

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/04/21/18-examples-of-the-spectacularly-wrong-predictions-made-around-the-first-earth-day-in-1970/

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      Yonniestone

      Earth Day who knew?, the only significant date I’ve heard mentioned recently is Anzac Day 25th April at least this day prompts thoughts of genuine future dangers that may recur from our history.

      I don’t believe the initial Earth Day was simply about doomsday predictions as the idea of managing food, water, production etc for X amount of people isn’t a silly thing to do, its when dice throwing soothsayers hijack the narrative in attempts to make their lives appear more important than what they are it becomes silly.

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        Wayne Job

        This year is a big day for Anzac day, it is the year in the first world war where OZ told the Poms that we will control and direct our own troups. The Germans had finished fighting in Russia and had 4.5 million troops to attack France. This they did and the Poms and French ran like rabbits, however our Anzac mob dug in and fought,as you may know we did not have a big population, so we did not have a huge army. Our mob face 1.5 million troops, not only stopped them but beat them. That area in France now in all the schools at the top of the blackboards has written, Do not forget Australia. We saved France and caused the defeat of the Germans.

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    Another Ian

    “The political reality is that most people are far too stupid to vote, as evidenced by the energy debacle in Ontario under Doltan McGuinty and Kathleen Wynn, and the election of Justin Trudeau in Ottawa and Rachel Notley in Alberta. Global warming alarmism is promoted by scoundrels and supported by imbeciles – there is no real global warming crisis.

    Cheap, abundant, reliable energy is the lifeblood of society – it IS that simple. Most politicians are too uneducated to even opine on energy, let alone set energy policy.”

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/04/21/18-examples-of-the-spectacularly-wrong-predictions-made-around-the-first-earth-day-in-1970/#comment-2796261

    Turnbull and Co can breathe easy for the moment – they didn’t get a mention – yet

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      Another Ian

      ” commieBob
      April 21, 2018 at 3:51 am

      Surely there have been some successes. California led the nation in regulating pollution from vehicles. They must have the cleanest air in the world by now.

      A quick google shows that California actually has the most polluted air in the nation. link

      We look back at previous screw-ups and think we’re somehow immune. Actually, we should look back and despair. We’re no smarter than ‘they’ were. We should learn from ‘their’ mistakes. But no … we have an endless succession of experts telling us how we should conduct our affairs. Those experts have no more chance of being right than dart-throwing monkeys. Their bad advice costs us huge amounts of money and kills lots of people.”

      https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/04/21/18-examples-of-the-spectacularly-wrong-predictions-made-around-the-first-earth-day-in-1970/comment-page-1/#comment-2796245

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        OriginalSteve

        California are introducing legislation thats effect would basically ban any literature that is critical of the LB….
        crowd..this would include effectively banning the Bible…but no surprises there in CA i guess….

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        Geoffrey Williams

        California ‘they must have the cleanest air in the world by now’. Well actually they don’t. They are one of the most polluted states in the US. Check it out.
        GeoffW

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        sophocles

        An English judge in the late 1840s alleged:

        There are liars, damned liars and experts.

        That later became the famous cliche of “Liars, damned Liars and Statistics

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      John F. Hultquist

      Malcolm was only 16 at 1st Earth Day.
      His bad ideas are too recent to be considered classic.
      Keep a record. Give it time.

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    David Maddison

    Thank you to those who answered my question about the claim that anesthetic gases are “powerful greenhouse gases” but is there a way this claim can be specifically disproved?

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      Kinky Keith

      David.

      The concept of anaesthetic gases being an atmospheric pollutant in the sense of being a “greenhouse” gas, dies on the operating table along with the same claim made about carbon dioxide gas.

      In the sense of being greenhouse gases, and that term itself is a scientific nonsense, both gases would be disqualified because they are;

      QUANTITATIVELY IRRELEVANT.

      The idea that there are some gases which can significantly delay energy accumulated in the Earth’s living zone, during the day, from heading back out towards deep space when night comes is scientifically baseless.

      On the other hand, the media has delayed the propagation of the truth about this scam very well.

      When will it ever end?

      KK

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      John F. Hultquist

      The proper idea is that of a ‘radiatively active gas’, because the outcome of what goes on in the atmosphere is unknown. The only connection to real greenhouses is that therein CO2 is introduced so plants can grow. The idea that the atmosphere is like a greenhouse is totally nuts.
      However, . . .

      If you can handle it, try this:
      https://www.aagbi.org/about-us/environment/anaesthetic-gasses

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        Yonniestone

        It would appear the Association of Anaesthetists have been asleep at the wheel where science is concerned, better the ether you know than the ether you don’t…..

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          Environment Skeptic

          I have said it before and will say it again…”unaesthetic gases are a problem and unsightly…We need to make aesthetic gases great again”

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          Geoffrey Williams

          More pain and suffering. . .
          GeoffW

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      Peter C

      anesthetic gases are “powerful greenhouse gases” but is there a way this claim can be specifically disproved?

      Sadly David I think that the answer is No at this stage, although it seems conceptually simple.

      A demonstration of the warming capacity of CO2 would go some way to proving the proposition and there have been several attempts to do this;
      Bill Nye;
      https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=bill+nye+greenhouse+101&view=detail&mid=62F1724CE405688A62C162F1724CE405688A62C1&FORM=VIRE,

      and BBC Aderin Pocock;
      http://www.bbc.com/news/av/science-environment-10959197/science-explained-greenhouse-effect-in-a-bottle

      Both of these demonstrations show apparently dramatic effects of CO2 but they both have serious flaws. I was unable to replicate their results when I tried the experiment for myself. I think that many others have found the same when they have tried also.

      I have tried a number of other experiments, most recently with cirrus clouds. The results have been uniformly negative, ie No warming demonstrated.

      If someone can come up with an experimental method which clearly demonstrates the warming effect of CO2, or water vapour, then anaesthetic gases could be compared on the same basis.

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        If someone can come up with an experimental method which clearly demonstrates the warming effect of CO2, or water vapour, then anaesthetic gases could be compared on the same basis.

        The daily accumulation (storage) of insolation flux as ‘latent’ heat (2500J/gram> as atmospheric water colloid, (clouds) disperse to near transparent WV sunside then reform nightside back to colloid. This operation with EMR exitance only to space (action) from H2O condensation is continuous and spontaneous. There is no increase in near surface temperature. There is higher EMR flux to space than could be provided by by spontaneous EMR emission from much lower temperature tropopause. :-)
        All the best!-will-

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          Peter C

          Thanks Will,

          Great thought.

          I will give that consideration. It works at several levels, including the apparent Earth long wave emmission at -18C.

          There is a hole in the radiative green house roof!

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          Kinky Keith

          Hi Will,

          Good outline.
          Do you have any idea of the total mass of water held in the atmosphere at any one time.

          That figure would be something to throw at the green blob.

          KK

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            Do you have any idea of the total mass of water held in the atmosphere at any one time. That figure would be something to throw at the green blob.

            I have not not measured such, but most literature puts average atmospheric columnar precipitable H2O at 2.7cm. Nine times daily precipitation, or 27 kg/m² surface area! (4.4 x 10^16 kg total; or 2% atmospheric mass).
            This can never be all WV as the atmosphere has much to low a temperature. Supposedly about 1/3 remains as airborne stratospheric snow.
            All the best!-will-

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        tom0maason

        “powerful greenhouse gases” ???

        Just an observation —
        In a real greenhouse the warmest air is near the roof.
        In the atmosphere where we live (the troposphere), the warmest air is near the ground.

        ~~~~
        Next anyone tells you that ‘the atmosphere is like a greenhouse’ remind them of the difference, and advise them to Nikolov and Zeller universal theory of climate.

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        sophocles

        There is an experiment you could replicate, Peter C and that is this one:
        on the behaviour of atmospheric gases under irradiation. It needs replication.

        This other paper gives, perhaps, better detail of the method.

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      David Maddison Apr22,18 at 8:12 am

      Thank you to those who answered my question about the claim that anesthetic gases are “powerful greenhouse gases” but is there a way this claim can be specifically disproved?

      Such cannot be scientifically dis-proven against all religious ‘belief’ as the physical remains orthogonal (transcendental) to all spiritual belief. Only the physical remains repeatably ‘measurable’ always with some error, unlike easy political belief! :-)
      Kinky Keith Apr22,18:8:51

      David. The concept of anesthetic gases being an atmospheric pollutant in the sense of being a “greenhouse” gas, dies on the operating table along with the same claim made about carbon dioxide gas. In the sense of being greenhouse gases, and that term itself is a scientific nonsense, both gases would be disqualified because they are; QUANTITATIVELY IRRELEVANT.
      The idea that there are some gases which can significantly delay energy accumulated in the Earth’s living zone, during the day, from heading back out towards deep space when night comes is scientifically baseless.

      CO2 has never been a medical anesthetic gas, ask any physician!
      All the best!-will-

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        Without coal (coke) Earthlings would have no metals nor Portland cement from which to fashion any and all construction (industry); which for good or bad distinguishes fine clever Earthlings from other critters.
        Dis Earth has many ugly vile varmints that appear as Earthlings. All wish to be ELECTED/Appointed :-)

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    Sounds like Canberra

    ” CD in Wisconsin
    April 21, 2018 at 9:16 am

    “….Well, it’s now the 48th anniversary of Earth Day, and a good time to ask the question again that Bailey asked 18 years ago: How accurate were the predictions made around the time of the first Earth Day in 1970? The answer: “The prophets of doom were not simply wrong, but spectacularly wrong,” according to Bailey….”.

    IMHO, what many loyalists and followers of the environmental movement seem to be doing is mistaking arrogance for intelligence. One can be arrogant as heck and still engage in poor decision-making from the lack of adequate intelligence. With arrogance having been chosen as an an acceptable substitute for intelligence, the environmental movement has chosen means to its ends (wind and solar energy and the climate alarmist narrative) that have shaky scientific, engineering and economic bases and are easily questionable. When you throw politics and political ideologies into the mix, things only get worse.

    When people accept arrogance as a substitute for intelligence in their leaders without knowing or realizing it, it becomes easy for the arrogant leadership to play on the fears and scientific or other illiteracy of the masses. Only the ones that are enlightened enough and have adequate literacy can see through the rhetoric and realize the errant ways that have been chosen by the arrogant leadership.

    Awarding themselves a license of moral superiority and self-righteousness makes the arrogant leadership impossible to reason with. At his point, making false and misleading predictions matters not one iota. They are incapable of being wrong, especially when they are.

    I don’t even want to talk about how much this has happened in human (excuse me, huperson) history.”

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/04/21/18-examples-of-the-spectacularly-wrong-predictions-made-around-the-first-earth-day-in-1970/#comment-2796451

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    el gordo

    ‘During the transition to the last ice age approximately 80,000 years ago global temperature declined, while the carbon dioxide content of the atmosphere remained relatively stable. Scientists have now discovered that a falling sea level may have caused enhanced volcanic activity in the ocean, which can explain the anomaly.’

    Science Daily

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      Mary E

      Un-named scientists have discovered that something left unexplained might have happened that may support a problem with their belief in what should have been.

      There, fixed it.

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    RickWill

    Peta Credlin has a good article on the way forward for the Libs:

    If, on the other hand, he grows a spine and dumps the RET as well as the CET, and promises next generation coal-fired power, he gets one last chance to become the leader he says he’s always wanted to be.

    She is asking the Libs to put power prices ahead of Climate Change so that there is a clear point of difference with Labor.:
    http://www.news.com.au/news/coal-could-keep-turnbull-in-the-lodge-if-he-plays-his-cards-right/news-story/e97fc93ea5a2636959700494da8319f2

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      Hanrahan

      Problem is if Trumble were to differentiate the libs from labor he would sound like Abbott, and that would never do. He did not trumpet any lib success at the last election lest he remind the electorate of Abbott. BIG mistake.

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        el gordo

        Lets not beat about the bush, its Talcum’s green sentiment which has damned him in the eyes of the right.

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    pat

    BBC World Service radio repeating this Nov 2017 Radio 4 program last night:

    AUDIO: 27mins24secs: 21 Nov 2017: BBC Radio 4: Costing the Earth:
    Sinking Solomon Islands
    Five of the Solomon Islands have already been lost to sea level rise and many more are being rendered uninhabitable. For wildlife film-maker and marine biologist, Ellen Husain that’s not just a disturbing quirk of climate change, it’s a family concern.

    At the beginning of the 20th century her great uncle, Stanley Knibbs was the Chief Engineer and Surveyor of the Solomon Islands, drawing up some of the first maps of the region for the British Empire. He fell in love with this Pacific paradise and wrote a warm and witty memoir of his time with the islanders.

    One hundred years on Ellen is anxious to find out how the islands have changed. How is sea level rise at three times the global average disturbing the ancient rhythms of life? Can crops continue to be grown in land that grows saltier by the day? Can ancient traditions like shark-calling and megapode egg-collecting survive as tribal communities are broken up and moved to higher ground.? And what lessons can the rest of the world learn from the people on the frontline of sea level rise that we’re all likely to endure over the next century.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08mb1g0

    below the above:

    MULTIPLE PICS: BBC Radio 4: Costing the Earth: Stunning images of a drowning nation
    The sea around the Solomon Islands is rising three times faster than the average for the rest of the world, due to global warming and regional changes. Five islands have already disappeared beneath the South Pacific.
    Film-maker, photographer and marine biologist Ellen Husain has been to see how local people are adapting.

    22 Nov 2017: Paul Homewood: BBC’s Bogus Claims About “The Drowning Solomon Islands”
    Today’s fake news comes from the BBC:
    (BBC: Costing the Earth: Stunning images of a drowning nation)
    https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2017/11/22/bbcs-bogus-claims-about-the-drowning-solomon-islands/

    May 2016: WUWT: “Five Pacific islands vanish from sight as sea levels rise.” Part Deux: The Erosion Strikes Back
    by David Middleton
    As promised, here is the sequel to “Five Pacific islands vanish from sight as sea levels rise.” The thoroughly ridiculous New Scientist article is based on this paper…READ ON
    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/05/16/five-pacific-islands-vanish-from-sight-as-sea-levels-rise-part-deux-the-erosion-strikes-back/

    no doubt Ofcom are on to this deceptive broadcast as I type and will have a report out any day now.

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      toorightmate

      I might write a piece:
      Five Solomon Islands reappear as sea level drops (low tide).

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      TdeF

      Islands sink. It’s the coral which keeps up with the sinking island, creating coral atolls. In drilling for the Atomic bomb test at Bikini atolls, the coral was 4km thick, which means it went to the bottom of the ocean. There are islands north of Papua which are vanishing rapidly. Some have vanished completely since 1880. Of course you can always blame vanishing islands on sea level rise, but mm’s of rise do not make islands vanish in 100 years.

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    robert rosicka

    Libs have another policy that’s turned prickly in the tax cuts for business , business tax cuts are in principle a good idea and allow us to compete with lower rates overseas .
    But giving the same cuts to the big banks ? Not sure how that will stimulate jobs growth .

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      yarpos

      sure it would, airline industry, 5 star (minimum) hotels, restaurants and perhaps luxury cars

      the government shouldnt be selectively tuning and taxing industries, quite the reverse. However they seem to do little else these days. Electricity supply being the classic example.

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      Kinky Keith

      Good points Robert, and the other glaring issue about helping business, something over which they have Total control?

      Electricity prices.

      All ugly detail hidden behind a mountain of green bankster disinformation about the beloved ‘vironment.

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    This AEMO report is an interesting read:
    https://www.aemo.com.au/-/media/Files/Media_Centre/2018/AEMO-observations.pdf

    Climate change is given as a key driver of the changing demand:

    As the following chart from the Bureau of Meteorology shows, the number of days above the 99th percentile for each month, aggregated over the year, is growing. This indicates that the weather is changing and that more extreme peak temperatures and heatwaves are more likely.

    The data is based on the BoM ACORN homogenisation. This is the sort of detail that embeds ACORN in policy.

    There are some useful points like the recognition of the increasing need to constrain intermittents (VRE in AEMO language):

    For example, the high proportion of non-synchronous generation in South Australia means AEMO is often intervening to maintain a balance between synchronous and non-synchronous generation. Using powers of direction to meet the need for a level of conventional plant in these circumstances is necessary but undesirable. It generally leads to higher costs to customers through intervention pricing and the payment of compensation.

    The “compensation” is new to me. Is this the same as the UK where wind generators are paid not to produce?

    Page 60 has an interesting probability chart. The statement that follows tells the story:

    Clearly, under these conditions, unplanned loss of one or more local generators would result in almost inevitable load
    shedding unless windy conditions prevailed.

    Yep – Australian business need to hope that the wind blows at the right time. That alone is a damming statement that should put an end to this nonsense. It gives the Libs independent view of where the country is headed.

    My one hope is that the modelling that is done for the Integrated System Plan looks at real minute-by-minute data rather than averages.

    Generally the report stresses the importance of dispatchable generation and is looking at a market system that values its importance without unnecessary costs.

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      RickWill

      This is the BoM chart referenced in the AEMO report:
      https://1drv.ms/u/s!Aq1iAj8Yo7jNgn_CA2aPu-YA0WYN
      I was thinking about the basis of this chart as it is being used to explain why there is greater risk of power outages!

      I wonder if it is not the result of fast response electronic instruments without any time average filtering to match LiG thermometers.

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      robert rosicka

      Acorn data is the one that gave Albany one of the hottest ever days recorded in OZ and they use it for their computer games to work out electricity consumption! What could possibly go wrong with that ?

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      RickWill

      One of the great comments in this report:

      As mentioned, AEMO has put in place measures to improve our forecasting, and is working with climate scientists to better understand the risks of climate change on future reliability and power system operation. Beyond current levels of VRE, resource uncertainty and variability will place increasing demands on flexible, dispatchable resources to be online and able to respond at the right times and in the right place.

      It is comforting to know that AEMO has engaged climate scientists to help with their forecasting – we can all be reassured that we are in good hands!

      What a MESS – fancy having climate “scientists” involved in what is regarded as an essential service. This is a disgrace. It is a good time to be in the back-up generator business! There is no doubt a great business opportunity in testing all these units. An example:

      The sale of Generators as Back-Up Power sources is on the rise around the world, thanks to unstable power supplies and unpredictable weather.

      http://blog.mygenerator.com.au/power-surge-why-the-demand-for-back-up-generators-is-rising/

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        el gordo

        ‘This is a disgrace.’

        Totally agree and I’m musing over the possibility of a crowd funded Climate Royal Commission.

        First we’ll need three members of the ginger group: Kelly, Abbott and Joyce, to handle the political push, then on the legal side a QC maybe required.

        The terms of reference should be kept narrow, concentrating on the science.

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          RickWill

          There is little likelihood of a Royal Commission into Climate producing anything of value.

          Most of the harm from CO2 policies has been borne by electricity consumers. The evidence is very clear that electricity prices have risen dramatically in the last decade, many times the rate of inflation of other living costs. What is not so clear is how the RET has guaranteed this. It also is a policy that disproportionally harms those least able to cope.

          There are only a handful of people who actually recognise that intermittency is a disease rapidly infecting the electricity grids. No one actually asks why the wholesale price has doubled over the last decade. For example, the ACCC portions costs increases as tabled:
          network costs (48 per cent)
           wholesale costs (22 per cent)
           environmental costs (7 per cent)
           retail and other costs (16 per cent)
          retail margins (8 percent)
          These numbers have no relation to the identified reason. Network costs are higher due to the need to connect wind and solar farms as well as handling power generation at the distribution level from rapidly increasing rooftop solar. Wholesale prices have gone up due to the increasing “run whenever you like” generators destroying base load and the associated low cost base load generators. That means rapidly increasing reliance on high cost, fast response gas. Then there is the transfer payments from the poor to the not-so-poor.

          The real winners are the gas suppliers and grid scale “run whenever you like” generators.

          No one has thought this through. Intermittency is an infection that is destroying the grid faster than anyone anticipated.

          I believe the best direction would be a civil case, probably class action, to seek financial damages plus suffering from the consequences of the RET. I am not certain about the legal basis for such a case. There is certainly financial harm and suffering caused by higher electricity prices. There is sound evidence to show the reasons for the higher prices. I am not sure if a government can be held accountable for unintended consequences from their legislation other than losing government. It may be a case of the road to hell being paved with good intentions and everyone in Australia is heading down that road.

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            el gordo

            Your class action would have greater success after the Climate Royal Commission.

            Three wise men in parliament need to stand up and say carbon dioxide does not cause global warming and this absurd waste of tax payers money should be halted.

            Scientists would be forced to explain themselves and BoM’s homogenisation closely scrutinised.

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        OriginalSteve

        Using the CAGW koolaid drinking BOM to predict power generation us like tripping on LSD…..expensive and if ut continues, will likely result in permenant psychosis….

        The more integrated the loopy gets, the more dangerous to sceptics it gets…

        Once sceptics are “burnt” on line, how much longer before we have a Krystal Nacht?

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    Dave in the States

    Today is earth day, or so I have been told. It is also the first real nice day to fall on a weekend here in very loooonnnngg time. People seem to be celebrating by breaking out their Harley Davidson’s and muscle cars and cruising. Horse owners are pulling their horse trailers with big diesel pickup trucks to Saturday night horse events. Not a whole lot of earth day carbon footprint guilt going on here. Rather a whole lot of internal combustion engine rumbling going on.

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      John F. Hultquist

      I’ve noticed an increase in size of both pickup trucks and horse trailers.
      Horses, on the other hand, seem not to be getting bigger.
      Explain that.
      Horse power to all!

      [from Washington State]

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    21 Apr: Townhall: Paul Driessen: Climate Adaptation, Reparation and Restoration
    This Earth Day (April 22) we need to ask whether environmentalism has gone completely bonkers…
    I say this because the People’s Republic of Boulder, (Colorado) has joined Oakland, San Francisco, New York and other liberal enclaves in suing for “climate relief.”…

    Boulder and its allied cities and counties have little reason to worry that their absurd assertions will be challenged successfully in court. But they don’t even care about winning their case. They just hope, and expect, that Exxon and Suncor will pay them a few hundred million – and pave the way for more suits…

    As to the allegation that Exxon and Suncor have deprived Boulder of its once-snowy climate, the area’s annual snowfall records (LINK) demonstrate how ludicrous the claim is…

    Will the Scott Pruitt EPA finally reverse the ridiculous Endangerment Finding that is yet another foundation for this climate nonsense? Will Neil Gorsuch be the deciding vote that brings a modicum of sanity back to our Supreme Court and legal system? Only time will tell.
    https://townhall.com/columnists/pauldriessen/2018/04/21/climate-adaptation-reparation-and-restoration-n2473056/print

    21 Apr: Breitbart: James Delingpole: Greenie Reveals His Inner Eco-Fascist – Unleash ‘Regulatory Hell’
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/04/21/delingpole-greenie-reveals-his-inner-eco-fascist-unleash-regulatory-hell/

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      OriginalSteve

      You can see the backlash starting in CA with trying to split it into 3 smaller states to break up Browns eco feifdom….and CA wants govr to “fact check” ( censor ) what gets put on line and now strangle religious freedom through outlawing any literature that restricts teaching LB… “theology”.

      You might see such behaviour in some 3rd world tin pot extremist dictatorship…but CA is now the North Korea of the USA…a home to cultural devastation, a hollywood kingdom full of peiple playing make-believe, full of sexual predators, harbpuring endemic levels of eco loons and control freaks.

      They shoukd build an 8′ high fence aroubd it, turn the power off, and leave them to it…. but just like in Lots time, get the righteous people out first….

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    Pat

    That Delingpole link needs to emphasise the Willie Soon link IMO

    http://blog.friendsofscience.org/2018/04/12/science-philosophy-and-inquiry-on-a-galactic-scale-a-conversation-with-dr-willie-soon/

    Though being at “Friends of Science” will probably drae the crabs

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    20 Apr: BBC: Scottish Power (subsidiary of Spanish Iberdrola) to raise gas and electricity prices
    Scottish Power is raising its gas and electricity prices by 5.5% for nearly one million of its customers.
    The move, which will come into effect on 1 June, will see typical standard dual-fuel bills for direct debt customers rise by £63 a year, to £1,211.
    Those who pay quarterly will see an average increase of £85.
    Scottish Power said the price change would apply to about one third of its customers, or 960,000 homes.

    Neil Clitheroe, chief executive of Scottish Power’s retail division, said the increase in standard variable prices reflected “rising wholesale energy costs and ***compulsory non-energy costs”…
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-43838976

    ***NOTE HOW BBC LEFT OUT ANY REFERENCE TO “RENEWABLE ENERGY” POLICIES.

    20 Apr: Reuters: FACTBOX-Energy price changes by utilities in Britain
    by Nina Chestney
    Some of Britain’s biggest energy companies have announced price increases this year, citing higher wholesale prices and the cost of ***government policies to support renewable energy generation.
    More are expected to follow suit and the moves come after similar rises last year…

    SCOTTISH POWER
    Iberdrola-owned Scottish Power said it will raise standard variable domestic gas and electricity prices from June 1 by an average 5.5 percent, or 63 pounds on a typical annual dual fuel bill…
    https://uk.reuters.com/article/britain-energy-prices/factbox-energy-price-changes-by-utilities-in-britain-idUKL8N1RX2RH

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    Mark M

    97% of climate scientists surprised that plants like carbon ‘pollution’?

    Grassland plants show surprising appetite for carbon dioxide

    Results from a long-running field experiment suggest that a major group of plants could thrive as the level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere increases.

    The finding, which runs counter to long-established ideas about how plants will respond to the greenhouse gas, suggests that grasslands could provide a buffer against climate change.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-04869-9?utm_source=briefing-dy&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=briefing&utm_content=20180420
    x x x x

    Plants show surprise response to more CO2, say 97% of climate scientists @ UTAS western Sydney …

    https://www.scimex.org/newsfeed/plants-show-surprise-response-to-more-co2

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      Yonniestone

      I thought they were going to be parody sites but astonishingly they appear real…….the sites not the scientists……

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    David Maddison

    The Victoriastan Government is going to give everbody $50 of taxpayer money simply for registering at their energy price comparison web site. Interestingly there is an election later in the year but I’m sure that has nothing to do with giving away “free stuff”…

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      Yonniestone

      I had a look at that site a while back, basically they want all the personal information about your dwelling/business they can get, how many people are there how often what appliances or devices are used and when etc for when compulsory load shedding is initialised you will be advised what you can do without to help out the hobbled grid they created and your’e blamed for.

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        David Maddison

        Better to skip the $50 then heh? Or give completely false information.

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        noisemarine

        Also, Google for DRED : Demand Reduction Enabled Device.

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        Yonniestone

        Ok form this link Victorian Energy Saver at the bottom is a list of options:

        Victorian Energy Compare- A fairly basic tool that gives a rough or inaccurate guide of what retailers will charge you.
        Victorian Residential Efficiency Scorecard- A more intrusive look into your home or business what you have use etc.
        Victorian Energy Upgrades- By accepting government approved and installed products (lights, solar etc) you get a discount off your bill.
        More ways to save- A rather twisted useful tips list that offers solutions to problems that shouldn’t even exist.
        Bills, pricing & meters- Another condescending page that explains the basics of everything energy like your a five year old.
        Energy users like you- A page that advises all demographics on surviving the Vic energy minefield, inclusion at its best.

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          OriginalSteve

          In other words, we stuffed it, but here’s how to try and survive this problem with the Supreme Soviet of the Victoriastan Socialist republic has deliberately created…..

          Many Victoriastan residents are absolutely seething angry at the mess their Glorious Leader has created….I wouldn’t want to be him on election day…

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      RickWill

      The bonus gift only applies between July 1 and Dec 31. Election is on Saturday Nov 24.

      They are also looking for energy assessors. I wonder how many people will request assessments.

      Organisations can apply to deliver assessor services. It only asks for a declaration of conflicts of interest. I expect there could be some lucrative opportunities for savvy suppliers to get involved.

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    pat

    20 Apr: The Land: Nundle (New England region of NSW) vows to fight wind farm proposal
    by Daniel Pedersen
    A 98-tower wind farm proposed by Wind Energy Partners near Nundle is facing growing opposition.
    The Nundle community is mobilising, having elected an executive committee dubbed the Hills of Gold Preservation Inc to fight the wind farm proposal.
    Nundle Business Tourism and Marketing Group is also against the industrial wind farm, proposed by Wind Energy Partners on the mountain range south east of Nundle.

    The groups say the proposal for 98, potentially 220m high wind turbines, on a 20km stretch of mountain range will threaten not only the town’s hard-won tourist appeal but significant geographic features.
    Nundle Business Tourism and Marketing Group media officer John Krsulja, of The DAG Sheep Station, is helping represent the community in its lobby against the proposed wind farm…

    “Hanging Rock and Nundle have strong existing tourism businesses, jobs, and economic activity attracting more than 100,000 visitors from 30 countries to annual events,” Mr Krsulja said.
    These events include weddings and country music concerts, craft festivals and camping, he said…
    “Industrial wind farms should not be located in view of people’s homes, businesses, and places of cultural significance.”…

    Wind Energy Partners development director Jamie Chivers is unapologetic and says the local community needs to understand the economic benefit the project will bring.
    He says the community will benefit from an injection of 272 jobs in the construction phase, jobs that will last from 18 months to two years.
    He said there would be 34 ongoing jobs to keep the wind farm operational that could last 35 years…

    But Mr Bradford said the community had heard the pros and cons of the project and decided there were more disadvantages than advantages.
    “The disadvantages included environmental threats to the Peel, Hunter and Barnard water catchments, biodiversity, erosion, bushfire control, aviation, visual amenity, noise, property values and demand, social cohesion, existing population, tourism businesses, and jobs.”
    Megan Trousdale, a member of both Nundle groups opposing the project, said wind generation subsidised by a government rushing to renewables “is a fashion and our community shouldn’t be a sacrifice to that fashion”…
    https://www.theland.com.au/story/5338294/nundle-digs-in-for-fight/

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    PICS/VIDEO: 21 Apr: DunyaNewsPakistan: Seven years on, solar panels installed along GT road fail to function
    Solar panels installed through a private company almost seven years ago in Amanabad and Kamoki along the GT road under a development project of the National Highway have failed to operate even for a single day.
    While some panels of solar lights are missing, others have no batteries. To worsen the situation, no department or organisation is willing to own the project leaving it incomplete and rendering it useless.
    Due to the failure of these solar panels to generate electricity, street lights are not working resulting in several road accidents…

    Citizens, too, have complained that since the installation of these streetlights, they have never seen them operating even for a single day. Some said that while the project was a good plan, it was useless since it failed to provide illuminate streets and roads.
    “This project was a wonderful initiative by the Government of Punjab but now without any lights it has become an issue for the commuters”, said Muhammad Aslam, Chief Officer Municipality Tehsil Kamoki.
    GT road is one of the busiest roads of Gujranwala. Locals say the issue of non-functioning streetlights should be taken seriously and necessary steps be taken to make the solar panels functional.
    VIDEO AT BOTTOM 1min28secs
    https://dunyanews.tv/en/Pakistan/436362-Seven-years-on-solar-panels-installed-along-GT-road-fail-to-function-

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    pat

    20 Apr: RealEstateNewsUtah: Accountant defends tax returns in solar tax ‘scheme’ trial
    SALT LAKE CITY — A tax expert testified Friday he visited the Delta site of a purported solar energy facility, walked into a home and flipped the switch on and off, believing solar lenses were generating the power.
    “I did not think it was connected to the grid,” said Richard Jameson, a specialist in federal tax law who filed tax returns to the IRS on behalf of RaPower3 clients.

    That company, IAUS, Neldon Johnson and Gregory Shepard are the subject of a federal complaint lodged in 2015 by the U.S. Department of Justice that alleges the business enterprise is nothing more than an “abusive tax scheme” that has cost the U.S. Treasury at least ***$50 million.
    The case is now before U.S. District Judge David Nuffer in a trial expected to last at least two weeks. Federal prosecutors want repayment for the lost revenue due to energy tax credits and depreciation revenue they say was wrongly claimed.

    They also seek to stop any further promotion of the lenses, which continues through tours of the Delta site, the company’s online promises of tax credits and weekly local radio shows in which Johnson promotes the technology.
    The Department of Justice asserts the lenses have never generated any power and never will…

    “Defendants’ solar energy scheme is clearly a complete sham. Defendants knew it was not generating income for customers for more than 10 years. Yet despite their clear knowledge that the system did not produce energy or income for customers, they continue to sell lenses, encourage customers to take purportedly related tax deductions and credits and deplete the U.S. Treasury,” justice attorneys wrote in court filing.

    Jameson testified Friday that he believed the home he saw at the Delta site was off grid, observing a nearby solar tower that looked to be powering a turbine producing steam.
    “It was making a hole in the ground that would fry things. It was pretty hot,” he said…

    In testimony Friday, he said he continues to represent RaPower3 customers and claim the renewable energy tax credits.
    Under cross-examination by defense attorney Denver Snuffer Jr., Jameson said he believes the lenses qualify for tax benefits because they meet federal rules that they are in use or available to use or are being used for research and development, or in advertising.

    He added he believed IRS employees or customers themselves got it wrong because they kept talking about “solar panels” such as those mounted on rooftops, and not solar process heat.
    “The problem I had with the IRS employees is they did not fully understand the process,” he said. “They don’t produce electricity, they produce solar process heat.”

    The Department of Justice contends that while the solar lenses may be able to concentrate solar radiation sufficient to set wood smoldering, that alone is not sufficient to generate “solar process heat” — heat from the sun which accomplishes some useful function or application, according to court filings.
    http://www.realestatenewsutah.com/feed-items/accountant-defends-tax-returns-solar-tax-scheme-trial-64667

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    toorightmate

    They have a District Court Judge David Nuffer.
    Many of our judges are Nutters. Are they related?

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      “Irreversibly damaged” sounds like a NYT journalist’s brain condition.

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        RAH

        Yep! It’s the NYT that has irreversibly damaged itself all by it’s lonesome. Though they are still the sacred text of the left, everybody else knows they’re a joke. Take their most recent campaign. They led the charge trying to get Scott Pruitt to step down or be fired and failed despite running 85 articles critical of the man in the first 18 days of this month!
        https://amgreatness.com/2018/04/18/the-nyts-ridiculous-obsession-with-scott-pruitt/

        What did they get for their full court press? NOTHING! Pruitt is still there and still taking apart the administrative nightmare of the EPA piece by piece.

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          Another Ian

          But did he lower their Trump bashing ones?

          If not there mustn’t have been much room left for the rest of the world

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    pat

    19 Apr: Gizmodo Australia: Tegan Jones: Tesla Can’t Fix Recalled Aussie Cars (Yet)
    In late March Tesla announced that it was issuing a voluntary recall on some of their Model S cars. The ACCC has just published the recall in Australia, including a note on repairs. But there’s just one small problem… new parts aren’t available.
    The recall affects Select MY 2012 – MY 2016 Tesla Model S Electric Vehicles built with Bosch steering racks between May 31 2012 and April 9 2016.

    The ACCC website states that, “In some Model S vehicles when exposed to long-term, high-corrosion environments, the aluminum bolts that attach the power steering gear assist motor to the gear housing may corrode and weaken. If these bolts fracture, the power steering gear assist motor may move, causing the transmission belt to slip and resulting in reduced or lost power steering assist.”
    The corrosion could result in reduced or lost power steering assist, particularly at lower speeds…

    Australian Tesla customers are being offered free repairs on their affected vehicles, however, the parts won’t be available until “mid-2018.” No further clarification around dates have been provided.
    Below is an email that has been sent to Tesla customers…
    https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2018/04/tesla-cant-fix-recalled-australian-model-s-cars-yet/?utm_source=Gizmodo Australia&utm_campaign=905ace865f-gizmodo_2018_04_19&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_7a0c493e18-905ace865f-278877941

    18 Apr: Bloomberg: Tesla Recalls May Disrupt Cash Flow in Lease Bonds, Moody’s Says
    By Claire Boston; With assistance by Dana Hull
    Tesla’s recall of 123,000 Model S cars could temporarily disrupt cash flows to the company’s $523 million bonds backed by auto leases, modestly hurting investors, according to Moody’s Investors Service…

    The recall will fix bolts used in power steering on sedans built before April 2016. For leased cars, the recall may create a problem at the end of the contract, when Tesla will have to repair any automobiles that haven’t yet been fixed. Any delay could result in the company taking longer to sell the cars after the lease, which could translate to bondholders getting their principal back slower, Moody’s said…

    The end of the leases are “fairly well distributed,” the analysts said, which may smooth out risk of repair delays before the cars are sold. More than half of the Model S cars in the bond are located in warm states like California and Florida, another potential positive…
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-17/tesla-recalls-may-disrupt-cash-flow-in-lease-bonds-moody-s-says

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    “almost a cult”:

    21 Apr: CBC: Tesla risks a blowout as problems mount, but fans keep the hype machine in overdrive
    And no one knows what CEO Elon Musk might have up his sleeve
    by Aaron Saltzman
    Tesla is beset by production problems and swimming in debt, its bonds are considered junk status, its stock has more people betting against it than any other major company. There are real concerns it won’t be able to raise enough cash to keep going.
    But even with all its problems, there are still very good reasons to believe in the world’s best known electric car maker…
    “I have absolute confidence that the Model 3 production problems will be solved and that it will be a successful car,” says Melissa Schilling, business professor at New York University’s Stern School of Business and author of Quirky: The Remarkable Story of the Traits, Foibles, and Genius of Breakthrough Innovators Who Changed the World…

    There is also a shareholder lawsuit over Tesla’s takeover of SolarCity, a solar energy company run by Musk’s cousins.
    But by far the biggest problems for Tesla are financial. It is spending more than it earns, piling up debt, Moody’s recently downgraded its credit rating.
    “I worry. I worry a lot about this company,” says Charley Grant, who writes the column Heard on the Street for the Wall Street Journal…
    Grant says Tesla’s shaky financial position is further undermined by the issues with the Model 3.
    “You almost never see a public company miss its guidance by that much,” says Grant.
    “It’s a real issue because if anyone loses confidence in this company, they depend on having a high stock price to actually fund the business operations.”…

    Even with all that doom and gloom, though, Grant and others say there are still plenty of reasons to believe in Tesla, not least its CEO.
    “Elon Musk is a celebrated visionary. That’s why people love him. He’s made products that people really like and he’s done incredible things in the space exploration project, landing a rocket on a barge,” says Grant…

    “I think a lot of the people who are in the stock are betting on him, right? They’re not looking at the company and doing any kind of math, they’re just betting on him,” says Schilling.
    “And I think that’s a reasonable bet because he is brilliant. He can do advanced physical calculus in his head real-time and he thinks 10 steps out. So he’s probably done the math, he’s probably got a plan, and they are betting that he’s got a plan and that it’s a great one and that it might not even be one we could understand yet.”…

    Schilling says it’s far harder to predict future value of the battery production and grid energy storage parts of Tesla’s business. She also wouldn’t rule out a merger, another way to get to that lofty $650 billion valuation….

    Finally, there is another significant asset that Tesla has that simply doesn’t show up on the company’s bottom line: the fervent loyalty of its customers.
    “It is almost a cult,” says John Dixon, head on the Tesla Owners Club of Ontario…
    Members of his club speak to various groups, extolling the virtues of their vehicles, and they’ve even worked the Tesla booth at the Canadian International AutoShow, all for free.
    They do it because of a belief in the car and in the company’s CEO.
    “He truly believes in the vision of reducing our carbon footprint and reducing the pollution that cars put into the atmosphere,” says Dixon…
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/tesla-electric-vehicles-ev-environment-cars-emissions-1.4624510

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      Nick Werner

      Just thinking ahead… if Tesla achieves their target of manufacturing 6,000 cars per week by the end of the 2nd quarter, they might have to be able to process 12,000 recalls per week by the end of Q4.

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        Chad

        Interesting discussion with Munro Associates, a respected independent vehicle examiner who looked in detail a 2 Tesla Model 3 cars.
        https://youtu.be/CpCrkO1x-Qo
        In summary…..the worst fit , finish and quality of any car they have inspected !
        With many unexplaind issues.
        Also check out the associated videos.

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      yarpos

      ““And I think that’s a reasonable bet because he is brilliant. He can do advanced physical calculus in his head real-time and he thinks 10 steps out. So he’s probably done the math, he’s probably got a plan, and they are betting that he’s got a plan and that it’s a great one and that it might not even be one we could understand yet.”

      really is a cult, they need so much to believe. You have to wonder what is missing in their lives.

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    pat

    20 Apr: CNBC: Sell Tesla shares because BMW, Audi competition is coming: JP Morgan
    •J.P. Morgan reaffirms its underweight rating on Tesla shares, citing the electric car pipelines from German luxury automakers.
    •”When similarly priced high-end long-range electric vehicles become available from prestigious brands with strong reputations for both service and build quality, we believe this could represent a meaningful headwind for Tesla,” the firm’s analyst writes.
    by Tae Kim
    “Tesla has, to date, faced relatively little competition in the market for luxury electric vehicles, and so we think shoppers have been willing to cut the automaker some slack when it comes to some aspects of service and build quality,” analyst Ryan Brinkman wrote in a note to clients Friday. “When similarly priced high-end long-range electric vehicles become available from prestigious brands with strong reputations for both service and build quality, we believe this could represent a meaningful headwind for Tesla.”

    Tesla’s stock closed down 3.3 percent Friday.

    The analyst said Daimler, the owner of Mercedes-Benz, has said it will launch 10 battery-powered electric vehicles by 2022. He also noted Audi’s electric vehicle pipeline.
    “We met with Audi, which appeared the most aggressive over the near-term, targeting the debut of a 310 mile range (95 kWh battery pack) ‘e-tron’ vehicle sized between a Q5 and a Q7, with an €80,000 price tag (nearly ~$100K),” he wrote. “These range, size, and price configurations seem designed to go toe-to-toe with the Tesla Model X.”

    Brinkman reaffirmed his $185 price target on Tesla shares, representing 38 percent downside from Thursday’s close.
    Tesla did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
    The company is slated to report its first-quarter earnings results on May 2, according to its website.
    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/20/sell-tesla-shares-because-bmw-audi-competition-is-coming-jp-morgan.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

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      Dennis

      So much for the Australian Government gifting Macquarie Bank Leasing $100 million of taxpayer’s monies to encourage fleet operators to switch to Tesla EV.

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    David Maddison

    URGENT REQUEST:

    A high school student needs to present (for tomorrow!) a “hot topic” and has to present both sides of the argument. Can anyone suggest some suitable articles?

    Many thanks in advance!

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      David Maddison

      I meant to say that she has chosen the topic of Anthropogenic Global Warming and is required to present both sides of the argument.

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        Yonniestone

        As you well know David lots of info out there but difficult to condense it, maybe start with Svante August Arrhenius the first scientist to suggest a CO2 forcing greenhouse effect in 1896 then the 1992 UN Rio Earth Summit that introduced sustainable development (Agenda 21) that led to the IPCC assessment reports.
        Maybe counter with early sceptical thoughts from Singer, Soon, Carter, Spencer, Monckton (good presentation)……
        I actually just come across a good overview of the climate debate from Wikis Climate Change Denial page of all places, LOL.

        Direct the student to focus on the hypothesis, not theory! of Anthropogenic Global Warming and not the politics that obviously surround it, this is what anti science protagonists hate the actual facts so misdirection is an essential ploy to take attention from the inconvenient truths of empirical observations.

        Just looking at it now it has a plethora of history so choose carefully and good luck.

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      robert rosicka

      How do you present the warmist side ?

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      Mark M

      Representing the failed 97% Doomsday Global Warming side would be Al Gore and his UN-IPCC ‘science’:

      Al Gore, jan 2006:
      10 years to save planet
      But he is also a very serious guy who believes humans may have only 10 years left to save the planet from turning into a total frying pan.

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/25/AR2006012502230.html
      ~ ~ ~
      The message of the film is very, very alarming. ‘It really shakes you up,’ Bender acknowledges. Gore believes the next 10 years may offer the last chance to act.

      https://www.theguardian.com/film/2006/feb/05/features.review1
      ~ ~ ~

      2017: Johns Hopkins students watch follow-up to Gore’s 2006 film ‘An Inconvenient Truth,’ participate in live Q&A with former vice president:

      “When asked where to go for truthful information about climate change, Gore cited the UN-IPCC”.

      Johns Hopkins students watch follow-up to Gore’s 2006 film ‘An Inconvenient Truth,’ participate in live Q&A with former vice president:

      https://hub.jhu.edu/2017/10/27/truth-to-power-screening/

      ~~~~~~~~

      IPCC?

      “Every night, through the TV news, is a major hike through the Book of Revelation,” he said.

      http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/2017/10/14/al-gore-talks-climate-change-southern-festival-books/754619001/

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      Dave in the States

      A good way to present that would be to present the basic AGW hypothesis proposed by the IPCC. And then present empirical evidence supporting or not supporting each point either as a case A/B comparison or as it goes in sequence. That would present both sides in due course.

      For example:
      1) The climate sensitivity to co2 (ignoring feed backs) is 1.16 degrees C per doubling of concentration. Here it would be good to utilize a graph showing the logarithmic application. Use concentration on the X axis and temp change on the Y axis with 400 ppm as the baseline. It would be easy to see that at 800 ppm temps only increase about 1 degree and another 1 degree by 1600 ppm….One may include a projected time line that shows such doubling will not occur for hundreds of years. Be sure to point out that in this scenario most the effect will happen with the first increase of concentration and become less and less effective as concentration increases. A basic assumption of the under informed is that as co2 concentration increases that the climate sensitivity effect becomes more acute. The il-logic of that assumption must be challenged.

      2) Point out that the primary AGW theory depends on positive feed backs initiated by slight warming of the troposphere by GHG concentration increase amplifying the climate sensitivity. The equilibrium climate sensitivity after feed backs in a guesstimate of any where between 1 and 5 degrees C. Be sure to point out that the “hot spot” is essential to the this positive feed back amplification theory and no evidence for the hot spot actually exists. Point out that empirical evidence (the modern temp record vs co2 concentration including the pause) suggests that the feed backs are small or may in fact be negative. The climate sensitivity to co2 after feed backs is pretty close to nil. Also point out that there is no direct correlation between temp and change and co2 concentration. One could use David Evan’s paper as a reference on these later points. Also Roy Spencer’s global warming 101 is a good survey of the basic science:
      http://www.drroyspencer.com/global-warming-101/

      3) Sea level rise. All one must do is point out the facts that sea level rise has been going on for centuries at a very minor rate of 1-3mm per year and there is no evidence of an acceleration in rate of sea level rise.

      4)Keep it simple. There is no need to go into irrelevancies and anecdotal information such as polar bears, and retreating and advancing glaciers, or “things seem to be warmer/cooler now than when I was kid.” One could point out recent warming and cooling cycles such as the early 20th century warming and the 30s and 40s, followed by the 50s, 60s, 70s, cooling, as well as less recent warming and cooling periods such the Medieval Warm Period and the Little Ice Age, to provide some historical perspective to the recent pre-pause warming, however. This could provide a foundation for presenting the dynamics of Arctic sea ice retreats and advances should you need to go that far. Nonetheless, it might be better to touch on these additional complexities in a question and answer segment at the end should they be raised, rather than get off the track of the basic AGW hypothesis and theory.

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        For example:–1) The climate sensitivity to co2 (ignoring feed backs) is 1.16 degrees C per doubling of concentration. Here it would be good to utilize a graph showing the logarithmic application. Use concentration on the X axis and temp change on the Y axis with 400 ppm as the baseline. It would be easy to see that at 800 ppm temps only increase about 1 degree and another 1 degree by 1600 ppm…

        There exists absolutely no such temperature sensitivity to concentration of atmospheric CO2!. By the time CO2 reaches 165ppmv (minimum required for vegetation growth); 88% EMR exitance to space in the CO2 absorption\emission bands originate from Earth’s atmosphere above the tropopause @ 210 Kelvin temperature. Such emission to space would not change as atmospheric CO2 concentration increased all the way to 6000ppmv
        All the best!-will-

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      Another Ian

      David

      Link at #43 any help?

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      el gordo

      If you isolate the bleaching of the Great Barrier Reef its easier to present both sides of the argument. The Klimatariat argue its because of warm water caused by humans, whereas in reality its a strong El Nino stealing the water from the western Pacific and exposing the corals.

      David Maddison I’m writing a comedy script and you might be able to help. Are you in America or Australia?

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      Peter C

      It is very late notice David,

      You student thrives on deadlines.

      If the decision has not already been made, and I surely hope that it has, I would suggest Peter Ridd and the Great Barrier reef Controversy.

      Peter Ridd here:
      https://www.gofundme.com/peter-ridd-legal-action-fund

      He has a written explanation somewhere.

      For the warmist view, I would just invert his points.

      The Conversation will likely give useful info.

      Otherwise Google Sarah Perkins Fitzpatrick (Climate Scientist UNSW) for warmist views.

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    OriginalSteve

    Election year….but you can hear Victoriastan teetering on the edge just before it tips over…..splat!!

    http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-22/50-cash-for-checking-power-website-offered-by-vic-government/9684994

    “Every Victorian household will get a $50 bonus for visiting an energy comparison website, in an election-year giveaway to encourage people to find better power deals.

    But the State Opposition accused the Andrews Government of trying to bribe voters by investing $48 million for the power-saving bonus in next month’s budget.

    Households will be eligible for the payment if they use the Energy Compare website between July and December, which shows consumers the best tariff for them based on their electricity and gas use.”

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    pat

    check out the video. it’s a joke:

    VIDEO: 3mins41secs: 21 Apr: NYT: We Are Conservatives and We Believe Climate Change Is Real
    By MATTEEN MOKALLA and ANDREA HAVIS
    The fight against climate change is a nonpartisan issue across the globe except, of course, in the United States.
    https://www.nytimes.com/video/opinion/100000005493564/we-are-conservatives-and-we-believe-climate-change-is-real.html

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    pat

    21 Apr: LeaderTelegram Wisconsin: Eau Claire had snowiest April in nearly 90 years
    By Chris Vetter
    More snow has fallen in the Eau Claire area in April than any point since the late 1920s, according to the National Weather Service.
    Eau Claire has now totaled 18.6 inches of snow this month, moving it into third place for the snowiest April on record, the weather agency reports.
    The top two snowiest winters were 1928 (31.1 inches) and 1929 (19.4 inches), according to the agency’s records.
    On average, Eau Claire only gets 1.9 inches of snow in April. Last year the area received 0.8 inches during the month, and in 2016, it was a normal 1.8 inches.

    Eau Claire County highway commissioner Jon Johnson wasn’t surprised to hear that this is the most April snowfall in nearly 90 years.
    “A lot of our senior operators said they can’t recall when it was such a long, drawn-out winter,” he said.
    His crews put in long hours to keep the roads clear…

    Johnson noted the heavy snowfalls affect a number of things, such as delaying construction season or extending seasonal weight restrictions on area roads.
    “We still are a foot deep of frost in some areas,” he said.
    Eau Claire County was actually in good shape with its salt supplies, and they were able to help other nearby municipalities who were running low.
    “We hauled salt to St. Croix and Trempealeau counties to help them out, because they were out,” Johnson said. “We still have a little bit left.”…
    http://www.leadertelegram.com/News/Front-Page/2018/04/21/div-class-libPageBodyLinebreak-Eau-Claire-had-snowiest-April-in-nearly-90-years-div.html

    always fun to see:

    PHOTO GALLERY: 17 Apr: WeatherChannel: Want to Know What Five Stories of Snow Looks Like?
    By Nicole Bonaccorso
    As spring breaks, the Tateyama Kurobe Alpine Route, also known as the “Roof of Japan,” opens for tourists and mountaineers alike. The route, which reopened this week for the summer, is approximately 55 miles long and offers a picturesque hike through Mount Tateyama in the Japan Alps. But perhaps the biggest attraction of the trail is the towering snow walls that encase the trail until early summer.
    “The walls differ every year,” Itsuo Naito told The Japan News on Monday. “They are beautiful this year.”…

    The tallest sections of the walls, which are named Yukino-ōtani, reach up to 55 feet…
    Yukino-ōtani melts as the weather warms, but remains until early summer. The Alpen-Route website states that some snow remains into August. The full route is open until November 30, when the route closes again for the winter season.
    Naito, who visits the snow walls on opening day every year, told The Japan News that the landscape “looks as if it does not belong in Japan. The view is beautiful no matter how many times I see it.”
    https://weather.com/photos/news/2018-04-17-snow-walls-tateyama-kurobe-alpine-route-japan

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    pat

    19 Apr: PV Mag: Dulas completes solar PV installation for BBC Wales’ new broadcast centre
    Leading renewable energy developer and consultancy Dulas has completed the installation of a 120kWp solar array at BBC Wales’ new broadcast centre utilising a new inverter technology in the development.
    As part of their commitment to the new premises being built to BREEAM standards, the BBC sought to incorporate the installation of solar panels at the 150,000 sq. ft. facility. Following a competitive bidding process, Dulas was commissioned to carry out the design and installation by mechanical and electrical firm Evans Electrical.

    However, configuration of the solar array was made more difficult by the available roof space for PV panels, which was split across several distinct and separate areas, presenting a number of technical challenges. With significant experience in bespoke solar array installation – particularly for the new build sector – Dulas’ expertise in PV array design resulted in a complex but efficient layout that maximised energy generation from the available roof-space.

    Working over the course of four weeks, Dulas’ team of solar engineers completed installation of the panels as well as laying the on-roof cables. Two engineers then returned to the site in January to finalise the necessary electrical work, including the installation of inverters, meters and isolators. Dulas also carried out a range of final tests of the array prior to the scheme’s commissioning.

    Significantly, Dulas oversaw the installation of a brand new type of inverter, designed to provide maximum efficiency within a particularly compact unit. These are some of the first of their type to be installed in the UK.
    “Rooftop solar is becoming an increasingly common and financially attractive option for both public and private institutions looking to reduce energy costs and meet high sustainability and building standards,” said Claire Toland, Project Manager for UK solar at Dulas…
    https://www.pv-magazine.com/press-releases/dulas-completes-solar-pv-installation-for-bbc-wales-new-broadcast-centre/

    2011: BBC: Deal ‘secures’ 100 jobs in Machynlleth, Powys
    A German company has taken a majority stake in a division of a renewable energy firm, securing jobs in Powys.
    Most of Dulas Limited’s 100 staff are employed in Machynlleth, Powys, and the company says it hopes to create more jobs.
    MHH Solartechnik, which is based in Munich, has invested in the part of Dulas supplying solar panels…
    Dulas MHH Ltd said the partnership would benefit from the “maturity of German experience in logistics, economies of scale, product portfolio and security of supply.”…

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    pat

    the spin:

    21 Apr: Wired: The world’s top wind turbine can power your home in one spin
    When completed this summer, the record-breaking wind farm will be able to generate more than 70 per cent of Aberdeen’s domestic electricity demand
    By Phoebe Braithwaite
    Last week, the world’s most powerful wind turbine rose out of the sea off the coast of Aberdeen, Scotland. It’s the first of eleven such beasts which will make up the European Offshore Wind Deployment Centre, Scotland’s largest offshore wind facility. The remaining ten are expected to be installed and operational by the end of the summer.

    Developed by Swedish state-owned company Vattenfall, and part-funded by the EU, the wind farm will cost £300 million to build and is hoped to be able to generate more than 70 per cent of Aberdeen’s domestic electricity demand, and 23 per cent of its total demand. A single propellor rotation can reportedly power an average home for a whole day (LINK)…
    http://www.wired.co.uk/article/biggest-wind-turbine-scotland-aberdeen-vattenfall-energy

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      toorightmate

      My home will light up on revolution 4,762.
      I can hardly wait.
      Why do 4,761 homes get their revolution before I get mine.
      I thoght Marx and Leniin said all men (they meant people) should be equal???
      It’s a bit rich when we each have to wait in turn for our revolution.
      Am I reading this correctly??
      I’m sure Harry Twinotter can help me out.

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    Jack Snap

    Well hoorah for long term field experiments. But unlucky perhaps for CO2 fertilisation enthusiasts as the long term impact on C3′s may be ephemeral, as the physiological photosynthetic fertilisation effect is negated by the biogeochemical soil response. Given many of crop plants are C3 – a significant issue. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/04/180420131430.htm Yes it’s a free air FACE experiment.

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      Peter C

      Well I read that Jack,

      I am a bit confused about what their results actually were and what they are assuming and predicting as a result.

      Can you explain what the significant issue actually is?

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    Carbon500

    Last week I posted a comment in response to the subject of live farm animal transport to the Middle East from Australia. I was advised by a moderator that this was inappropriate for that thread (fair enough), and to post again – so here it is.
    I was raised on a farm in rural England in the 1950s. Sheep and cattle were raised, and slaughtered only a few miles away, so minimising distress. In today’s world however, it’s deemed acceptable to ship live farm animals over oceans for slaughter – an appalling state of affairs. The meat industry has apparently ‘ implemented the world’s best standards of animal welfare during transit and in overseas slaughterhouses.’ Does anyone believe this?
    We are told that for cultural and logistical reasons, there is often a preference for importers to fatten and slaughter animals in destination markets, where processing costs tend to be lower. Glossy, slick market-speak concealing a hideous reality. Last week I posted the scientific reality regarding halal and schechita non-stun slaughter. ‘Best standards of animal welfare’ – who are they kidding?
    In the UK, 100,000 people recently signed an official government online petition backing the banning of live farm animal exports to Europe post-Brexit.
    This is what the British RSPCA have to say on the subject:
    “Every year millions of farm animals including calves and sheep are transported all over Europe for further fattening and slaughter. Many suffer from stress, exhaustion, thirst and rough handling. The port of Ramsgate is the main ferry port to facilitate this trade from the UK, yet they lack appropriate facilities or inspections. Animals are often crammed into trucks on roads for hours before being loaded onto an unsuitable ferry originally built as a river tank carrier. Animals as young as two weeks old may be forced to endure this gruelling journey, before heading for conditions illegal in this country. Across the EU animals such as chickens, cattle, pigs, horses and goats are also transported long distances for slaughter, journey’s sometimes. lasting days. Urgent action is needed to ensure EU regulations protect the welfare of these millions of farm animals.
    We want to see:
    • An end to long-distance transport of live animals in favour of a ‘carcass-only’ trade
    • A maximum eight-hour journey time for all animals travelling for slaughter or ‘further fattening’ across the EU
    • Amendments to existing legislation that allow ports to refuse the cruel trade in live animals
    • While the trade continues, that there is full adherence to current laws and enforcement agencies effectively minimise the suffering of the animals.
    Key welfare issues:
    Long distance live transport can cause a number of welfare problems including:
    • Mental distress for the animals, due to the unusual and potentially frightening sights, movements, noises, smells, unfamiliar animals and stockpersons they will encounter.
    • Injuries if the animals are not handled appropriately and carefully during loading and unloading, and transported in well-designed, comfortable vehicles.
    • Hunger and dehydration, if animals are not provided with appropriate food, water and plenty of rest breaks.
    • Heat stress, if animals are transported for long periods in hot weather.
    The risk of these problems occurring increases with journey time.
    Legislation:
    We are concerned that current laws governing the live transport of animals are not nearly good enough to safeguard animal welfare effectively on long journeys. The EU Regulations do not set strict enough limits on key areas such as journey times and space allowances.
    Enforcement:
    Effective enforcement of live transport laws has over the years been lacking in many EU member states. Checks carried out by the European Commission’s own inspection body, the Food and Veterinary Office, as well as livestock journeys followed by RSPCA staff, have shown that the authorities in a number of countries are failing to enforce the rules effectively, leading to greater risk of animal suffering.”
    This analysis by the RSPCA gives the lie to claims regarding animal welfare in transit through Europe. I’ve read that under Australian rules, an investigation into the death of sheep on live-export voyages is only sparked when the mortality rate on a ship exceeds 2 per cent. The ship involved involved in the recent scandal, the Awassi Express, was carrying 63,000 sheep from Fremantle, near Perth, to Qatar and had no refrigerated air conditioning, because this would increase shipping costs. There was also inadequate food, water and rest for the livestock.
    Let’s just reprise the details: 63,000 sheep can be crammed onto a ship, and only when 2% die (1260) is an investigation triggered. So 1,000 animals dying in transit is deemed acceptable?
    It is to be hoped that the Australian government bans this trade. Yes, the welfare of farmers has to be considered of course – but to suggest that it’s beyond the ability of politicians to find a way around this is beyond belief.

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      Dennis

      There are 66,497,000 people in the UK at present.

      Australia has very strict rules and regulations …

      http://www.agriculture.gov.au/animal/welfare/export-trade/

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      Yonniestone

      I fully agree carcass supply only, but when the UK authorities are shown to have protected the “Rotherham” organisers due to “cultural sensitivities” the live export pandering comes as little surprise, we’re no better here as Halal complied slaughtering has been practised here for decades but its never good enough for some cultures so again the weak comply.

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      robert rosicka

      Using the radical organisation the RSPCA loses your credibility in my eyes , if animals were never imported between the countries I guess we wouldn’t be having this discussion right now would we.
      I’m not sure if you’ve worked in the farming industry directly but I have and animals transported with care and knowledge of how to do it show no ill effects so don’t be a Howard and ban something after one or two bad examples .
      It would be great if all the value added work was done here and just boxes of meat sent overseas that would be fantastic but in reality the trade exists so how to fix it .
      Put an independant livestock inspector onboard and increase fines .

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      yarpos

      Really depends if, as a society, we actually care about animal welfare beyond lip service.

      You can regulate all you like , but over time these measures become diluted, arent effectively monitored or measured, are subject to cost cutting and corruption.

      If you care about the animals to process them on shore in Australia, with whatever ritual compliance is needed and export carcasses. If that isnt acceptable, to bad get your animals somewhere else. The world isnt awash with excess food , its hard to beleive that with a couple of years markets cant adjust. And yes there will be a cost to change.

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        Hanrahan

        If we don’t want live exports we must do more to enable the slaughter trade locally. There seems to be an attitude that we must break the meat-workers’ union. They are not overpaid for a hard but seasonal job.

        One guy on a chat site I used to frequent, NOT a rabid lefty, speaks of having to train their imported replacements. Others wouldn’t put up with that.

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    In an article here someone is trying to cash in on the current Kaarbon ™ mania.

    I asked in the comments section, “What should the level of atmospheric CO2 be?”

    There is only one reply: “Around 280ppm, where CO2 kept the planets temperature stable, around where it was for the last 10000 years.”

    Doesn’t it make you tired? So, 280 ppm is the ideal CO2 level? How does he know that?

    CO2 keeps the planet’s temperature stable? News to me.

    The planet’s temperature has been stable for the last 10,000 years? Who’da thunk it?

    I don’t know how Jo carries on debunking this stuff over such a long period of time. Me, I’m just tired of it.

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      Yonniestone

      Should’ve asked why the Vostok ice cores show CO2 @ 280-300ppm before 10 C temperature drops going into minimums @ 50, 150, 250 and 350 thousand years from the present?

      But your’e right it would’ve been a waste of time and effort.

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      el gordo

      Scientists cannot detect global warming signal in Fiji.

      ‘On the southwestern Pacific Ocean Fiji island of Viti Levu (18°S 178°E), citizens have recorded flood occurrence and height data at the Rarawai Sugar Mill on the Ba River since 1892. In their recent analysis, McAneney et al. (2017) performed a series of statistical analyses on these data, seeking to determine “whether the data set can reveal the degree to which islands in the Pacific are already seeing the impact of global climate change on the risk of severe flooding.”

      ‘Results of the analysis revealed that despite a persistent warming trend of ~0.18°C per decade over the past seven decades, there has been no consistent trend in flooding. Consequently, McAneney et al. matter-of-factly attest that they were “unable to detect any influence of global warming at this tropical location on either the frequency or the height of major flooding.”

      CO2 Science

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      Yonniestone

      That’s Ok AZ, but hey if the mods like them I’ll post them up just for you each weekend unthreaded in case you forget to look if that’s ok with Jo?

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    Another Ian

    Now who from Australia would have been at something like that? Guesses?

    “EXCLUSIVE: Bringing the stunning hypocrisy of a climate conference out into the open”

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/04/22/exclusive-bringing-the-stunning-hypocrisy-of-a-climate-conference-out-into-the-open/

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      el gordo

      ‘Most climate sceptics do not dispute the actual existence of human-induced global warming. They do suggest that it may be so small as to be insignificant …’

      Rubbish, Garth needs to be educated on the fact that CO2 does not warm the air or oceans of this planet. Judith put him up because he’s a lukewarmer, pathetic.

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    Another Ian

    “Settled Science Update : O3, Not CO2 Is Causing Imaginary Global Warming”

    https://realclimatescience.com/2018/04/settled-science-update-o3-not-co2-is-causing-imaginary-global-warming/

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    Another Ian

    More renewables!

    “Inconvenient Truth: “You have to wonder why Twitter prevented this from appearing…” ”

    Link at

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/index.php/2018/04/22/we-dont-need-no-stinking-giant-fans/

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    David Maddison

    “The seven signs of an empire in decline”

    Important video. Under 7 mins. I think Australia is model of “empire in decline”, possibly more down the path than some other Western nations. Watch and tell me if any of the elements discussed don’t strongly apply to Australia.
    https://youtu.be/Z7Gc1bv-Mj4

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      Yonniestone

      Of most concern is the evidence that once the decline begins it can never be reversed, do we have to destroy the empire to save it?

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        OriginalSteve

        The roman empire was invaded by foreign hordes…we can only hope to avoid that.

        I’m sure China would happily annex us as a slave-powered food supply….

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          el gordo

          Beijing does not want a slave class, preferring to develop an international middle class.

          Our fear of the yellow hoard is history, Beijing is introducing a new form of capitalism which should theoretically eradicate the boom and bust inherent in the market, replacing it with a steady state.

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            David Maddison

            Boom and bust is not inherent to free market capitalism but mainly a consequence of government meddling with the money supply.

            Milton Friedman explains how the Great Depression was directly caused by Government. https://youtu.be/dgyQsIGLt_w

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              el gordo

              His argument is that the Fed botched monetary policy, QE too late.

              The point I am making is that laissez faire economics is a thing of the past.

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    Another Ian

    “Earth Day should Celebrate “Engines and Electricity” ”

    http://pickeringpost.com/story/earth-day-should-celebrate-engines-and-electricity-/8258

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    toorightmate

    Monday morning.
    Flights delayed at Tullamarine.
    Heavy fog.
    Global warming.
    To be sure, to be sure, to be sure.

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    el gordo

    China goes into Pakistan bug time.

    ‘CPEC is worth $54 billion, which includes energy, fiber optics, infrastructure, rail and road, and industry-based projects in Pakistan. Announced by Chinese President Xi Jinping during his trip to 2015 Pakistan, CPEC aims to connect China’s western province of Xinjiang with the port town of Gwadar. More than half of CPEC spending, $33 billion, will go to 19 energy projects; according to Reuters, “about three-quarters of the newly generated power will come from coal-powered plants.”

    The Diplomat

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    Hanrahan

    Recycling: Another green scam.

    I was watching The Outsiders last night and they said that we were shipping our recycling waste to China where it was promptly buried. They are no longer willing to take it so we will have to bury it ourselves, after a small tax has been applied one assumes.

    Long ago I heard that aluminium cans are the only viable recycling product and even then it has a limited number of cycles before it becomes brittle or something. Crushed glass would be excellent in bitumen for roads too I’d assume.

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      toorightmate

      Hanrahan,
      Correct on most counts, but:
      1. Tax will not be small – subsidies never are.
      2. Aluminium can be recycled ad infinitum.
      3. It is much lower cost to mine rock and/or sand than it is to collect, crush and handle broken glass. Plus glass is not hard – relatively.
      The main reason the world recycles is to make us all feel warm and fuzzy. There is no place for common sense when you feel warm and fuzzy.

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        Hanrahan

        1. Tax will not be small – subsidies never are.

        Sorry I forgot the /s.

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        Another Ian

        TRM

        And glass is heavy so freight kills recycling if distance is involved.

        Seems bottle recycling worked better when every town had its soft drink factory.

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      Chad

      An aluminium can contains 90+ % recycled aluminium (from cans, window frame, saucepans, etc)
      Steel containers..cans, cars, tin roofing, etc etc…is also readily reclaimed and recycled due to its simplicity of separation in the waste stream using magnets .
      Paper and cardboard are probably the most common recycled product.

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        Hanrahan

        I believe [I'm no expert] that steel is recycled in electric arc furnaces. Drat!

        High freight costs are certainly a killer for glass that’s why I suggested use in bitumen which is batched locally. Someone once suggested that if glass was in the top layer it would glow in the headlights once the tar had worn off. But I’ve never seen this so maybe it was another good idea that didn’t work.

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          David Maddison

          Given that steel is recycled in electric arc furnaces and electricity is so expensive in Australia, wouldn’t it just be cheaper to send our iron ore and coal to China and get them to convert it into new steel and send it back to us?

          I’m not being entirely sarcastic…

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          Graeme No.3

          Hanrahan:

          The glow is from spherical glass beads added as the bitumen is setting. Recycling the glass MIGHT be possible if separated out by colour and purity, otherwise its value plummets and its use is confined to brown beer bottles.

          The best use of household garbage (incl. plastic, paper and cardboard) because they cannot be guaranteed as pure) is to bury it in large pits where anaerobic decompostion generates methane, which can be burnt for heat and energy.

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    pat

    22 Apr: AFR: Renewable energy industry to meet for crisis talks after National Energy Guarantee deal
    by Tom McIlroy
    Key players in the renewable energy industry will gather for crisis talks on Monday, days after the states agreed to advance the Turnbull government’s National Energy Guarantee policy.
    The Smart Energy Council, an industry body, is preparing to campaign against the NEG and has pledged to target state and territories who sign up, while seeking commitments from the federal opposition for significant changes under a Bill Shorten-led government…

    Smart Energy Council chief executive John Grimes said his members, including large-scale solar and wind operators, would fight the plan rather than simply seek improvements from future governments.
    At issue is the 26 per cent emissions reduction target for stationary energy by 2030, which Mr Grimes said effectively ruled out additional large-scale renewable energy projects in Australia after 2020…
    “Actually doing the NEG is worse than doing nothing at all. It locks out the future and locks in the past, so why would our industry allow ourselves to essentially be kept in a box in the basement on the promise that one day, maybe, they’ll come and let us out?”…

    NEG ‘won’t lower prices’ – ***Hanson
    In a Facebook video she said consumers were being “ripped off” by spending on ***poles and wires already owned by state governments, and offered a guarantee prices would continue to rise…
    http://www.afr.com/news/renewable-energy-industry-to-meet-for-crisis-talks-after-national-energy-guarantee-deal-20180422-h0z37l

    ***when AFR uncritically reports Hanson, you know there’s more to the story. this is what precedes the video on Qld “poles and wires” charge:

    Facebook: Pauline Hanson’s Please Explain – Yesterday at 16.42
    More and more Aussies are having concerns over electricity prices, even though States and Territories have come to an agreement with the Federal Governments National Energy Guarantee.
    Will it save you money. NO!

    Electricity prices are set to rise AT LEAST 15% over the next 3 years.

    The Sunday Mail revealed today that 71% of South East Queensland households were concerned about their ability to pay the electricity bill.

    Don’t worry SEQ, the rest of the country are feeling the pinch too. I hear it every day I travel across the state and country.

    Labor and the Greens want to shut down coal fired power stations, where as One Nation want to build coal fired power stations.

    When subsidies are removed from renewable energy sources like wind and solar power, coal is the most efficient and cost effective way of supplying base load power.

    Base load is the power used at night and early morning when a spike in electricity use occurs. Unfortunately at these times, renewables are intermittent and cannot be relied upon.

    We need to drop electricity prices by rolling out more coal fired power stations and stop charging households and business for poles and wires they already own.
    VIDEO
    https://www.facebook.com/PaulineHansonAu/

    btw I would still like to know what percentage of the money being spent (or allegedly spent) on poles and wires is for upgrading to accommodate “renewables”.

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      RickWill

      btw I would still like to know what percentage of the money being spent (or allegedly spent) on poles and wires is for upgrading to accommodate “renewables”.

      I expect it is very difficult to identify individual cost components without going through the records of all the distributors. The situation with my particular distributor is as follows:
      1. Following black Saturday there were large expenditures on upgrading transmission and distribution assets in fire prone areas.
      2. The poles throughout had been neglected for a long time and there has been a long and expensive maintenance program to restore poles and beams to serviceable condition.
      3. Victoria mandated the rollout of Smart Meters. The cost was mostly absorbed across consumers although those who installed solar early paid for their own Smart Meter. Smart meters should have lowered the cost of meter reading.
      4. Residential areas that have experienced high uptake of solar need upgraded distribution to handle the local generation back into the grid. There is an emerging issue in South Australia where rooftop solar is causing over voltage limits to reduce output from the solar panels. Obviously that means the owner is not getting the income expected. By 2024, AEMO forecast that there will be zero net network demand during the middle of that day at certain times of the year in SA. It means rooftop solar will supply the total demand. There are costs associated with such a high level of distributed generation.

      Intermittents only make economic sense at the current prices in off the grid applications that are remote from an existing grid apart from South Australia. They already make economic sense for many residential consumers in South Australia.

      With present State Labor policy, all States will follow SA down the same path to uneconomic grid power.

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        pat

        RickWill -

        thanks for that response. wish we could get some hard figures though on how much of the “poles and wires” cost is associated with “renewables”, as it is always dragged out as being the cause of increasing costs for electricity.

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          RickWill

          All the distributors are monopolies so they are quite heavily regulated. They are required to make 5 year plans and submit to AER for approval. I was one of a handful of people who attended the AusNet customer engagement meetings for the 2015-2020 funding period back in 2014.

          This linked document is the capital expenditure determination from AER for Ausnet Services
          https://www.aer.gov.au/system/files/AER%20-%20Final%20decision%20AusNet%20distribution%20determination%20-%20Attachment%206%20-%20Capital%20expenditure%20-%20May%202016.pdf
          This is about as much detail you get on capital expenditure unless you are involved in the businesses. Table 6.3 shows the approved expenditure of the 5 years totals $1600M. You can see how it is split up. All the other distributors will have similar determinations from AER.

          One of the issues with the regulating regime is the disconnect between government decisions and eventual costs. The distributors have incentives to grow their asset base as all equity has an agreed rate of return. Governments are incentivised to fix perceived problems so they get re-elected. There is no one in government who understands the cost implication of decisions on energy prices. The AER just administers the rules. Clearly they have a benchmarking process but that only compares costs across the various distribution businesses. There is disconnect between government mandates and costs until consumers complain. For Victoria the big regulations were SmartMeters and Buch fire mitigation. The smart meters should be delivering economic benefits now in terms of reduced labour in formulating bills and ability for consumers to identify causes of inefficient power consumption.

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      Kinky Keith

      And important topic.

      We have been made to pay twice, as well as through the nose, for poles and wires.

      Total ripoff; cash pocketed by disguised beneficiaries.

      When will it end.

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    pat

    22 Apr: USA Today: Tech firms like Google, Amazon push power companies toward solar and wind, a blow to coal
    by Elizabeth Weise
    SAN FRANCISCO — Every time you save a photo to the cloud, buy something on Amazon, open a Google doc or stream a movie, you’re probably pulling electricity from a wind turbine in Texas or a solar farm in Virginia.
    In fact, your clicks and taps may have helped build them.
    Since 2008, renewable energy has gone from 9% to ***18% of the U.S. energy mix, according to the Business Council for Sustainable Energy (LINK). A big part of that shift stems from tech companies’ rapid buildout of cloud storage centers and a move to burnish their public image by vowing they’ll run these centers on sources like wind and solar…

    “We have the ability to shape the market,” said Michael Terrell, head of Google Energy Policy. “If you build it, we will come.”…
    Last year, the top four corporate users of renewable energy in the world were Google, Amazon, Microsoft and Apple, according to Bloomberg New Energy Finance…

    The biggest energy companies are changing their policies to court big tech energy buyers, who can often promise 20-year contracts…
    “Over the last few years, the tech companies have knowingly and willingly paid a premium for green power and they’ve been willing to do so because it advanced their self-stated goals,” said Dominion’s Morgan…
    Close to 50% of corporate investment in offsite renewable energy in the United States has been from tech companies, the highest of all market segments, said John Hoekstra, vice president at Schneider Electric, a Paris-based energy management and automation company…

    Today, corporate America is happy to throw its weight around, said Bryn Baker, the World Wildlife Fund’s deputy director of renewable energy. “Companies are coming in and saying, ‘If you want us to be here, you have to give us access to clean energy.’”
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2018/04/22/google-amazon-push-power-companies-solar-and-wind-blow-coal/438020002/

    other ways of reporting the above:

    15 Feb: Power Mag: Darrell Proctor: Growth in Renewables Matching U.S. Nuclear Generation
    A business group geared toward sustainable energy says renewable sources of energy for the first time are generating nearly as much power as the entire fleet of U.S. nuclear reactors.
    The Business Council for Sustainable Energy (BCSE), along with Bloomberg New Energy Finance, on February 15 released the sixth edition of its Sustainable Energy in America Factbook. The report says power generation from renewables contributes 18% of the nation’s electricity production, helped by continued growth in wind and solar installations, and an increase in hydropower, particularly in the western U.S…

    The report’s summary notes, “Renewables achieved new heights partly due to a rebound in hydro as reservoir levels on the West Coast recovered after a severe, prolonged drought. At the same time, a chart-busting number of wind and solar projects built in 2016 had their first full year of operation in 2017, bolstering non-hydro renewable generation by 15%.”…
    http://www.powermag.com/growth-in-renewables-matching-u-s-nuclear-generation/

    19 Mar: S&P Global: Google And Amazon At The Forefront Of U.S. Renewable Energy Investment
    by Bryson Rupnik
    More than 10 GW of solar and wind capacity was installed in the United States in 2017, according to S&P Global Market Intelligence estimates. Driven by state renewable portfolio standards and declining costs, wind and solar capacity has grown at an average annual rate of 13% and 63%, respectively, between 2010 and 2017.

    While state policy initiatives are the main factor responsible for the growth of renewable capacity, clean energy investments from commercial, industrial, and institutional, or C&I, entities have also been increasing over the last decade. Motivated by profitability and green initiatives, these companies use renewables as an investment opportunity, a pledge to increase demand for clean energy, and a chance to reduce the company’s carbon footprint…

    Currently, C&I accounts for around 13% of all renewable power currently installed or planned within the U.S. Of that 13%, wind accounts for 84% of C&I capacity…
    Purchasing and selling renewable energy certificates is a one of the main mechanisms for participation…

    One REC is the equivalent of purchasing one megawatt-hour of electricity generated from a renewable energy source. Another option is signing a power purchase agreement, or PPA, for several years’ worth of a facility’s output. Some companies believe the advantage of using a PPA is that it provides a constant revenue stream to renewable energy developers and enables capacity to be built closer to the company’s own load centers…

    Google leads in U.S. C&I renewable energy capacity, with nearly double the megawatts of the next largest company, Amazon. Together, these two companies own 20% of all renewable C&I capacity. S&P Global Market Intelligence estimates that the top 10 C&I companies account for 41% of currently operating and planned projects.
    https://www.spglobal.com/marketintelligence/en/news-insights/research/google-and-amazon-at-the-forefront-of-u-s-renewable-energy-investment

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    pat

    21 Apr: EnvironmentalResearchWeb: Jacobson’s new 100% renewables model aims to rebut critics
    By Dave Elliott
    Prof. Mark Jacobson and his team at Stanford University got some flack for their 100% global renewable energy study last year. It said 139 countries around the world could obtain 100% of their energy from wind, water and solar (WWS) sources by 2050. It had been based on their 2015 study that examined the ability of 48 US states to meet all their energy needs stably from these renewables. Some said their approach was flawed, and, for example, relied too heavily on energy storage solutions and on adding turbines to existing hydroelectric dams to get extra power (LINK)…

    In response, Jacobson and colleagues at Stanford, the University of California at Berkeley and Aalborg University in Denmark have now produced a new study, focusing on 20 global regions encompassing the 139 countries, with supply and demand matching modelled for a range of storage/backup options over the period 2050-54 (LINK)…

    The team says that the fact that no blackouts occurred under the three different sample storage scenarios suggests that many possible solution mixes for grid stability with 100% wind, water and solar power are possible. They also found that the full final cost per unit of energy, in every scenario, was about one quarter what it would be if the world continues on its current energy path. This is largely due to eliminating the health and climate costs of using fossil fuels. Also it was noted that, by reducing water vapor, the wind turbines in the mix would offset about 3% of global warming to date. Their explanation of this is a bit convoluted…

    ***A critique: LINKS TO EUAN MEARNS BLOG…READ ON
    http://blog.environmentalresearchweb.org/2018/04/21/jacobsons-new-100-renewables-model-aims-to-rebut-critics/

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      pat

      for those who don’t linke to the Euan Mearns blog critique, this is how he sums it up:

      (excerpt)Time to sum up.
      Considered purely from an engineering standpoint, i.e. with no financial, regulatory, legal or political restrictions, would J2018’s plan to convert the entire world energy sector to 100% WWS by 2050 work? I’ll leave that up to the judgment of the readership.

      But it really doesn’t matter whether the plan works or not. Relative to present-day realities J2018 is a purely academic exercise. A project of such epic proportions could be implemented only under the auspices of an authoritarian and totally “green” world government backed up by an equally “green” populace, and the chances that we will see either at any time in the foreseeable future are zero.

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    pat

    from cached version. CAGW becomes religious???

    22 Apr: Business Green: Michael Holder: Catholic institutions mark Earth Day with fossil fuel divestment pledge
    Bishops, Catholic banks worth €7.5bn, humanitarian group Caritas Internationalis and others in the Catholic hierarchy announce plans to drop investments in high carbon energy
    The global divestment movement gained a religious following today with the announcement that 35 Catholic institutions have pledged to remove fossil fuels from their investment holdings.

    Humanitarian organisation Caritas Internationalis, three leading Catholic banks with balance sheets totalling around €7.5bn, several dioceses and an international coalition of Catholic institutions have today all joined together in pledging to drop investments in energy that drives climate change.

    The Global Catholic Climate Movement, which coordinated the announcements, said the news demonstrated the growing strength of the divestment movement within the Catholic Church, with the pledges coming from institutions that connect directly with the hierarchy with the Vatican and are backed by a sizeable pool of institutional investments.

    For example, as an official Church institution based in the Vatican, Caritas Internationalis is one of the largest humanitarian organisations in the world and several members of its executive board are directly appointed by the Holy See.

    Caritas Internationalis president H.E. Cardinal Luis Tagle said the poor are “suffering greatly from the climate crisis and fossil fuels are among the main drivers of this injustice”. “That is why Caritas Internationalis has decided not to invest in fossil fuels anymore,” he said in a statement today. “We encourage our member organisations and other groups or organisations connected to the Church to do the same.”

    Leading Catholic banks pledging to divest include Pax Bank, Bank Im Bistum Essen eG, and Steyler Ethik Bank, while the archdiocese of Luxembourg, the archdiocese of Salerno-Campagna-Acerno, and the diocese of Communauté Mission de France are also among those announcing divestments today.

    Not all the institutions have yet revealed how much their divestments are worth. However, it is understood Secours Catholique in France plans to divest an estimated €10m, while the Catherine Donnelly Foundation will be divesting around CAN$800,000 and in the US a cluster of parishes – St. Pius, St. Mary, St. Anthony – are dropping an estimated US$400,000 from their total $3m assets.

    The Archbishop of Luxembourg, Jean-Claude Hollerich, said bishops were increasingly committed to making financial decisions “in line with our moral values”.

    “Divestment is an important way for the Church to show leadership in the context of a changing climate,” he said. “Praise be to all those who serve ‘the least of these’ by protecting the environment.”

    The 35 institutions making the pledge to coincide with international Earth Day today join the 60 Catholic institutions which have previously divested from fossil fuels. A full list of Catholic institutions to have joined the campaign is here ***LINK.
    https://www.businessgreen.com/bg/news/3030645/praise-be-35-catholic-institutions-make-fossil-fuel-divestment-pledge

    ***LINK from above
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qVoM_dOw4l-cOQIsI3whvo5DZ90sSajSfnyLNrfSM2o/edit#gid=0

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      PeterS

      CAGW was always religious (demonic some would say) and that’s why some denominations are jumping on the bandwagon. It’s not the first time a religious following went astray. It happened all throughout history going back to year dot.

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      Ted O'Brien.

      Make sure they give the 7.5 billion to the poor!

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    pat

    maximum MSM coverage today:

    ABC converts to Aussie $:

    Michael Bloomberg to write $5.9m cheque for Paris climate pact that Donald Trump abandoned
    ABC Online· 7h ago

    SBS doesn’t:

    Michael Bloomberg pays $4.5m to keep US in Paris climate pact
    SBS· 8h ago

    Climate change: Michael Bloomberg offers $4.5m for Paris deal
    BBC News· 6h ago

    Bloomberg to write $4.5M check for Paris climate pact
    New York Post· 8h ago

    the source:

    22 Apr: CBS Face The Nation: Transcript: Michael Bloomberg on “Face the Nation,” April 22, 2018
    BLOOMBERG: America made a commitment and as an American if the government’s not going to do it we all have responsibility. I’m able to do it. So, yes, I’m going to send them a check for the monies that America had promised to the organization as though they got it from the federal government.
    (MARGARET) BRENNAN: Four and a half million dollars this year. Will you do the same next or–

    BLOOMBERG: We’ll figure out– hopefully by then President Trump will have changed his view which would be great.

    BRENNAN: President Trump has been a huge critic of this Paris Climate Change Accord but–

    BLOOMBERG: He has been. But that doesn’t mean he can’t listen to others and change his mind. A person that doesn’t change their mind isn’t very smart. A person that listens to facts–

    BRENNAN: He changes his mind.

    BLOOMBERG: And he’s been known to change his mind. That is true. But he should change his mind and say look there really is a problem here. America is part of the problem. America is a big part of the solution and we should go in and help the world stop a potential disaster.

    BRENNAN: One of the criticisms of this agreement, the Paris Climate Change Accords, is it’s non-binding. It’s basically not enforceable and none of the developed nations who are part of it have actually met the benchmarks they set for themselves…
    BRENNAN: Aren’t you concerned that you’re throwing some, some good money after bad?

    BLOOMBERG: Look it’s dangerous to keep doing what we’re doing. If everybody would do the right thing, yes, it would be better. But if some people or some countries do the right thing we all benefit from that.

    BRENNAN: But the criticism is that industrialized nations aren’t living up to those pledges.

    BLOOMBERG: I can’t speak for other nations. All I know is that America I believe will meet its commitment by 2025 to reduce greenhouse gases by an agreed amount and if we do it hopefully other countries will do it as well.

    BRENNAN: Do you feel like you’re filling a leadership gap? For the United States?

    BLOOMBERG: Well I think that this is what the American public when you poll them say they want to do. We’ve got companies and states and individuals all agreeing to step in, report to the United Nations what our progress is the way all the other countries are going to do it, commit– fulfill our commitment to fund part of it. It’s not a lot of money. But America made that commitment and most importantly to do the things that will keep temperatures from going up and really potentially changing our life for the worst…

    BRENNAN: How do you assess EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt?

    BLOOMBERG: His policies are not good for the world. To debunk science and walk away from it is just ridiculous. Even if you don’t believe it, if there’s a possibility that it’s right you have to take prophylactic actions to prevent a disaster. And what I do know is that a lot of kids go to the hospital with asthma attacks because we have a lot of junk we put in the air. A lot of people come down with stomach cancers because there’s a lot of stuff that goes into the water. A lot of people’s houses are being destroyed and they’re getting killed in hurricanes and things like that–

    BRENNAN: It sounds like you think he’s not doing the job that he should be doing.

    BLOOMBERG: I don’t think there’s any question about that. He was hired. His job is to protect the environment and he has walked away a hundred percent from that saying, “The environment doesn’t need protection. I’m going to try to protect jobs.” That’s not his job.

    BRENNAN: Should he be fired?

    BLOOMBERG: That’s up to the president to decide. If he could get Scott Pruitt to change his policies, then he can keep him. But it’s– the issue is that what he’s doing is very damaging to your health and your children’s health and mine…

    BRENNAN: But he would say and the administration would say that criticisms like yours are just pure politics.

    BLOOMBERG: If there’s anybody that’s making it a political issue it’s this administration. Ninety nine percent of all scientists after peer review say that something is happening in the world. It’s changing. ***Everybody that looks outside their window can see that we have less snow here and more snow there and bigger storms and a whole bunch of things that the oceans are rising and things are changing and you can’t deny that…
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/transcript-michael-bloomberg-on-face-the-nation-april-22-2018/

    ***less snow here and more snow there – definitely CAGW! lol.

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      Another Ian

      Maybe inclement weather ahead

      ” Edward B Hanley
      April 22, 2018 at 8:35 pm

      Bloomberg intends to violate the Logan Act. A felony. viz.,

      Ҥ 953. Private correspondence with foreign governments.

      Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.” ”

      https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/04/22/michael-bloomberg-pays-usas-paris-agreement-tithe/#comment-2797481

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      PeterS

      Given what’s happening around the world for some time now the leftists will soon have to change their tune and beg trillions be spent to warm the planet not cool it. That is if they don’t want to keep shooting themselves in the foot and eventually in the head.

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    Annie

    Wishing all who celebrate St George’s Day a happy day. :)

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    Another Ian

    From a comment at CTH

    “For the socialists out there….

    “Belief is a wonderful way to pass the time until the facts come in.” ”

    And the cagw crowd IMO

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