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New PM in Australia — Malcolm Turnbull

Despite the resounding win a mere two years ago, and achieving his main promises, Abbott has been ousted in his first term. Politics is dirtier than ever.

He was elected with a big win, but lasted just two years in office. Gillard barely made a government, needing help from two turncoats, and her legacy legislation burnt her solemn promise –  yet she held office even longer than Abbott did.

The anti Abbott, Abbott, Abbott campaign in the media has been relentless and successful.

Turnbull has said he will stick with Australia’s carbon emissions cuts (26% by 2030) but this means nothing. Firstly, the target is obscenely high, and secondly, there are so many possible ways to waste more money and give up more sovereign rights in Paris. He can sell us out to the financial houses that want carbon trading, and waste additional billions on renewable energy.

Labor, Liberal, what’s the difference?

Joy. Great news for climate bloggers in Australia. : – (

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292 comments to New PM in Australia — Malcolm Turnbull

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    Ross Stacey

    What little chance we had of avoiding an ETS has gone. We will have a change to the marriage act. Populism reigns!

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      Grant (NZ)

      Sympathies.

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      Ted O'Brien.

      It is possible to mount a case for taxing energy. Indeed I blamed the lack of tax in the US of A on petroleum fuels for the oil shocks on the 70s and 80s.

      However the key factor driving Australia’s prosperity with its laid back lifestyle over the last 50 years has been cheap energy in the form of coal powered electricity. To put the cheapness of that energy at risk is to reduce competitiveness in an increasingly competitive market.

      At the margin the reduction of lifestyle has already manifested itself in people suffocating because they brought their heating fires into sealed rooms not knowing what the consequences would be, and house fires resulting from people attempting to heat on the cheap, while across the world we see people dying of cold because they didn’t dare turn the heater on.

      That is half the argument against an ETS/Carbon Tax. The other, bigger half is that the ETS concept is fraudulent, based on bogus science. Absolutely fraudulent.

      And that is the basis on which opposition must now be founded. Forget scepticism and denial. AGW alarmism is fraud.

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        Don

        Question: if Australia signs whatever is proposed in Paris, will the coal exports continue? China and India are all in with coal, but their plans can be derailed if Australian exports are stopped. Is the “Aussie Coup” a way to force China and India to bend to Paris??

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          Ross

          Don’t worry there will never be agreement which stops Australian exports of coal. Turnbull would lynched and India and China are not going to bend for anyone.
          The one thing you have to remember about China is the politicians will do anything to keep the masses happy –they are paranoid about social unrest.

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          toorightmate

          Perhaps someone with a brain which is a bit larger than a caroway seed will realise that stopping coal exports from Australia will cripple/destroy Australia’s economy – IMMEDIATELY.

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    Sean McHugh

    We’ve lost.

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      aussieguy

      Consider it a set-back.

      Despite this, always remember: Its not over as long as one is still breathing. Pain tells you that you’re still alive. It always gets dark before the light.
      (…This is what I learned from a WWII veteran.)

      Ask yourself:
      Do you expect the political Left-Progressive give up like this? Nope. They don’t ever give up until they get their way. We shouldn’t either. People should learn and adopt this thinking.


      On a side note:
      I am disappointed though. This current generation of Liberal and Labor folks treat the position of PM like some sort of town bicycle…Everyone gets a go.

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        Leonard Lane

        aussieguy.
        Thank you for the uplifting comments and for your service.
        It is discouraging when USA gets Obama, UK looks like it is turning left, and Australia takes a step left.
        The communists and socialists and other radical leftists have brought nothing but sorrow, pain, and death wherever and whenever they rule.
        Do you think that as the welfare states grow their populations turn to more “bread and circuses” rather than what is good for the country and our children and grandchildren?

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          aussieguy

          Do you think that as the welfare states grow their populations turn to more “bread and circuses” rather than what is good for the country and our children and grandchildren?

          Its just this particular generation are really crappy political leaders. (As well, the 24/7 media cycle plays a role).

          Future leaders that are from Generation X and Y are better off learning from the WWII and Silent generations. This generation doesn’t know how to lead. I mean really lead and govern. We have self-defeating/bumbling (Conservatives) and outright incompetence based on “good intentions” (Left).

          Seriously, look at both of the current generation Labor and Liberal. NEITHER of them have a serious long term strategic plan for Australia. Liberals know how to treat problems and successfully address them as they arise. But they don’t have a long term vision to sell to the Australian public. They don’t tell the public what, why, and how. Labor has all these aspirations, but are economically incompetent such that you wouldn’t let them run a sausage sizzle! (They’re bound to set the BBQ on fire and cause the gas cylinder to explode!)

          If you want to change the culture from entitlement to self reliance, you need good examples (role models) to follow. To show people how they can prosper and how welfare is really a trick into economic slavery. It means leaders who lead by example. Who know how to sell their message…One of the major reasons the Abbott Govt failed because the front-bench (nearly all of them) doesn’t know how to sell their message. They suck at it. They don’t know how to throw one back at their opposition. They let their enemy create a caricature of them. And the public has bought it hook, line, and sinker. (With the help of the ABC, Fairfax, activist groups like “GetUp”, and big Unions with multi-million dollar advertising budgets).

          Western Society (public) has a strong hunger for good leaders. What they’re getting is a lot of empty suits who don’t care for them (pander to interest groups or are career politicians), fight among themselves (knifing each other in the back), or don’t know how to explain themselves to the public. (Disconnected from the public they are supposed to govern).

          This is why Trump is popular in USA. He outright tells you what he thinks. He’ll explain his intentions. He also won’t let his enemies define his image. (This is where Abbott fails at. And that’s why the Australia Mainstream Media don’t respect him.) …Trump himself is a circus, but he doesn’t shower people with free stuff. He expects people to climb on their own in order to help create the nation again. And he certainly doesn’t take crap from activist-journalists, etc.

          This is what we don’t have in Australia. Someone who will give the Left, their political correctness, and their union, Fairfax, ABC, GetUp! friends the middle finger and not apologise for it.

          The more you appease and apologise, the more they win. The quicker a nation falls.


          SIDE NOTE:

          Some might say Clive Palmer is our Trump…He’s not. He can’t manage a bloody golf resort without economically screwing up the surrounding community! (Palmer and Trump are dodgy, but Trump is actually competent in what he does. Palmer isn’t. He’s a spectacular bumbling fool.)

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            Ken Stewart

            That’s a well thought out analysis. I am just so angry I’m lost for words, and reduced to cliches- like why vote? it only encourages the bastards, or, it doesn’t matter who you vote for, a politician gets in.
            Seriously, the role of the Nationals is going to be very important. I hope Barnaby Joyce and Warren Truss can stand up to Turncoat Turnbull.

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          Robert of Ottawa

          Australia didn’t take a turn left. I didn’t here a popular clamour for a carbon tax, gay marriage or more boat people. I did hear a clamour from a self-promoting egoist who doesn’t give a toss.

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          Ted O'Brien.

          Leonard. This is a victory for the forces of evil. Not because Turnbull is evil. Save for reservations about his past support for the AGW machine I expect he could make a great prime minister, far better than any we have seen in recent decades. The victory is that the forces of evil have achieved their objective of bringing down Abbott.

          The day that Tony Abbott was elected leader of the Liberals, incidentally defeating Turnbull by one vote on the issue of Global Warming, making him opposition leader in the parliament, the leadership of the ALP, including their Pommie Commie import specialist McTernan, decided that instead of presenting policy to the electorate they would use personal vilification to make Tony Abbott “unelectable”. They lost the first round, but have won the battle last night.

          And they won because he declined to tackle them on their own terms. So he must take a lot of the blame. They branded him a head kicker. So he didn’t kick the heads he should have kicked. Australian society is obsessed with sport, yet they mocked him for his athleticism when he completed an iron man event, and half the people fell for it. As a private citizen he had been a member of his local volunteer bushfire brigade, and they mocked him for that. He was an enthusiastic surfer and member of his local surf lifesaving club. Cartoonists mocked him for his standard lifesaver attire of Speedos.

          And half the electorate fell for it. But only because he didn’t defend himself and hit back. He should have. But so, too, should have Turnbull and others.

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            Ted O'Brien.

            Wondering there if McTernan was in Oz at that time. The rest is sound.

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              What Class?

              I reckon you’re correct on that point. He was imported to counter the Abbott threat. Labor recognised the size of the threat Abbott posed. Where Labor failed Turnbull succeeded. Libs were white-anted. Turnbull, like Cassius and Three-dollar Bill, knifed his superior. You can choose your own interpretation of superior. ‘He has a lean and hungry look.’ The left is the biggest organised crime syndicate on the planet. They have the goons, media and money that conservatives have never felt the need to employ. Why waste resources on something that’s self-evident?
              I reckon it’s time for a change.

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            Angry

            Abbott should have accepted turncoat turnbull’s resignation when he offered it a few years ago……

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          michael hart

          UK looks like it is turning left

          No need to be so pessimistic, Leonard Lane.

          The UK recently elected a Conservative government, against the predictions of pollsters, and the desires of the BBC. Despite anxiety about what the new government would do with the climate twaddle, they have made a surprisingly positive start in trimming the limbs of the green octopus. (I choose that metaphor because a ‘green blob’ has no limbs to be trimmed.)

          David “get-rid-of-the-green-crap” Cameron plays his real cards about the green crap close to his chest. The changes maybe driven by the economics of necessity as seen by his Chancellor of the Exchequer, George Osborne, now that he is free of the constraints of coalition government. He is not someone on greens’ Christmas card list.

          The ‘leftward turn’ is only by the Labour Party, after they were spanked by the real electorate. Conservatives are jubilant that the Labour Party has elected Jeremy Corbyn as its new leader. Really. I am not joking.

          And the galloping-green Liberal Party, coalition partners in the previous Conservative led government, were crushed. They had their first significant participation in government over the lifetime of a whole parliament since the First World War, and tanked at the election. They were in charge of much of the green shrubbery in the previous government.
          I used to vote for them before they jumped on the global warming bandwagon like a tramp on chips.

          The SNP Scottish Nationalists swept the board in Scotland, a Labour/Liberal stronghold in recent decades. But Scotland is only ~5 million population compared to ~53 million in England, and was always expected to return ~zero Conservative MPs. It’s been that way since Margaret Thatcher. That is not healthy for UK governments in the long term, but the Conservatives have not been in a position to take Scottish votes for granted as the Labour Party has in recent years.

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            bobl

            The problem here though is save UKIP starting a branch here we have Labour on the Left and Labour-lite on the right. There is NO conservative choice here. I think a real conservative party could make a real dent in Australian politics.

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              Jim Connelly

              Bobl, seek and you shall find.

              http://www.australianlibertyalliance.org/

              I gave up with the Libs months ago and have joined the ALA which will be officially launched next month.
              There is an alternative coming.

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                AndyG55

                That is what is needed in Australia, an alternative to the left, far-left and loonie-left.

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                bobl

                When the liberty alliance bexomes democratic I’ll think about it. Last I looked the constitution looked like it was written by stalin himself

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                PeterPetrum

                Some months ago, after looking at ALA’s manifesto, I was under the impression that it was very much anti the accepted stance on CAGW. However, now I am not so sure. Here is item 6 in their manifesto.

                Affordable Energy for a Cleaner Australia
                Life as we know it ends without reliable access to affordable, clean, safe energy and a healthy environment. Australia has enormous reserves of Thorium and Australian Liberty Alliance will investigate the use of efficient and safe options to replace our ageing coal-fired power stations.
                We will phase-out unsustainable subsidies for uneconomical and unreliable energy sources connected to our power grid. However, we will continue to assist Australians in remote and rural off-grid locations with sensible wind and solar technology. We will reduce our dependency on oil-based fuels through the promotion of abundantly available natural gas for CNG-powered vehicles and foster research, production and export of non-combustive engines for cars and other applications.

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              What Class?

              Nats are the closest we have to the conservative party we desperately need. They’re based in the bush. They’re sound but don’t have enough clout. If they expand their base, they’d likely lose their focus and original support. For me, the Libs have just about done their dash with this act of lunacy.
              How does one start an effective political force?

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          Leonard you are right about the turn leftwards. There are common elements in all the countries and with the advocacy of climate.
          1. They will never substantiate a claim. A vague perception of a problem is the gospel truth. A claim by a so-called expert is enough to silence any opposition.
          2. Solutions to problems are self-evident, never harmful, founded on simplistic moral arguments and merely enacting legislation are sufficient to produce the desired outcomes.
          3. Following from the first two premises, it follows that any disagreement is based on both denial of the truth (read consensus science) and of morality.
          4. It also means that the way to evaluate the accuracy of real-world evidence is by the standard of conformity to the science and to the moral truths. For instance, if the way to evaluate if real world temperature data has hidden biases, is on how it conforms to the climate models. The way to detect a person’s biases in perceiving the climate debate is through comparing with consensus opinion.

          The methods of dealing with criticism are the same in climate and extreme left politics.
          1. Used negative language about opponents and positive language (e.g. experts, scientists, respected, etc.) to about one’s own side.
          2. Use that language to discourage people to compare the alternatives for themselves.
          3. Never refer to authority from independent and historical sources from outside the discipline. For instance, you will not see a dictionary referenced for determining a term, or philosopher’s of science for defining science, or political philosopher’s for defining politics, or mainstream economic theory for backing policy arguments.
          4. Encourage supporters to be partisan. To follow the party line, and to discriminate between believers and non-believers.
          5. Do everything you can to block reactionary voices. Go on protest marchers, dominate the comments, write to every politician you can think of, support protest groups.
          6. It follows that they never engage with the real world data, nor engage in proper debate, nor think through the arguments for yourself, nor to try to learn from experience.
          7. When all fails, they change the subject, or introduce other apocryphal sources as the counter-truth.

          In the UK earlier this year I constructed a diagram of one dogmatic bloggers attempts to use these techniques to silence the questioning of surface temperature homogenisation. I believe that similar constructs can be made wherever the left engage in arguments.

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          Lord Beaverbrook

          “UK looks like it is turning left”

          Ha, not on my shift….

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        >>>Despite this, always remember: Its not over as long as one is still breathing.
        Even if you have to pay for the privilege of breathing CO2?

        Let’s face it … it IS over, because we now have THREE ‘Progressive’ parties now;
        1) Fabian Socialists (aka, New-Labor Party): Love Carbon Technocracy where TBTF banks run sovereign countries which cede their economic and regulatory powers to the United Nations (which is run by un-elected puppets who work for financial interests … this AIN’T Communism, it’s Fascism, at least at the invisible apex)
        2) ‘Liberal’ Party: Now to be purged of conservatives and taken over by an empowered wing who love Carbon Technocracy where TBTF banks run sovereign countries … [as per above]
        3) Greens: Cultists who believe humans are a disease through pure indoctrination so that they probably don’t even need to be bribed to support the United Nations.

        PARIS 2015 will be the death of our sovereign Federation, though after they sign, the average Aussie will still get drunk on Aust Day, and still get all patriotic about a flag that will mean nothing … I’d probably be less insulted if they raised the UN flag over Canberra and took down the Australian flag, because it would be more honest. Instead they will all act as if nothing happened, and refuse to read the flag its God given eulogy and give it a ritual burial so we can all start the mourning process.

        I just feel sorry for the Nationals … they’re the only bunch – together with Abbott – that I thought had any hope of keeping Australia sovereign, and out of the hands of the large financial houses which now have their man in Kiribilli.

        The fact that so many so called ‘leftists’ love $200million ‘ex’ Corporate Lawyer/Banker Turnbull, just goes to show the deranged nature of the left, and/or their complete ignorance about how financial markets work (Credits and Derivatives). Irony and hypocrisy all mixed up in one revolting stew … Green + Red = Vomit colored globalism.

        A quick history of Australia
        -1901: Federation
        -1986, March 3rd: Legal Independence with Australia Act.
        -2015, September 14th (Jewish New Year): Turnbull-Bishop Carbon Coup
        -2015 PARIS: R.I.P!

        Thanks for trying Abbott, you did your best to sidestep around the big green elephant in the room, but it always had you pegged to be crushed from the moment you were elected.

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          What Class?

          Oz politics has been imploding since Rudd was elected. Abbott – wtf do you say about Abbott? He tried. Pity. Yesterday’s stupidity was the nadir. I nearly cried. It still hurts. There will be more stupidity with Lib/Labor/Green internecine fighting. Unless he’s grown a brain and dick, Turnbull will collapse. He’s shown he hassn’t up to it in the past. The electorate won’t tolerate being kicked around by the privileged classes. The frogs and seppos wouldn’t take it.
          It ain’t over.

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            The electorate won’t tolerate being kicked around by the privileged classes.

            Yes they will, and the Proles will march around in big hoards screaming ‘Climate Action Now’ … and then retire for the day to the dole queue to buy smokes and beer. I might be a ‘denier’, but I’m not in denial about what this means for Australia now.

            Where’s the party that supports the worker? Gone.
            Where’s the party that supports the conservative who just thinks ‘if it ain’t broke don’t fix it’? Gone.

            We have three ‘progressive’ parties that want to destroy the economy on a fake scare because they can’t separate emotion from logic … one of them is just now acting coy with ‘right cover’, just like a Bush Conservative in the US Republican Party.

            “In our age there is no such thing as ‘keeping out of politics.’ All issues are political issues, and politics itself is a mass of lies, evasions, folly, hatred and schizophrenia.” – George Orwell, 20th Century Prophet

            “The very concept of objective truth is fading out of the world. Lies will pass into history.” – George Orwell, 20th Century Prophet

            Let us never say that we were free, because Orwell was just telling it how it is back in the 40′s-50′s and nothing has changed since, it has just gotten predictably worse. Now we get to hear Turnbull U-turn on his Nationals ‘promise’ and announce the virtues of Carbon ‘Trade’ over that of ‘Tax’, as if two flavors of the exact same lie and technocratic outcome taste somewhat closer to the truth. It’s insulting to even lukewarm intellects (hard to find nowadays).

            Democracy is R.I.P. Every voting day, I’m going to rock up with a thick black marker and write TONY ABBOTT in big black text across the ballot paper until I die.

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        Leigh

        It’s bloody difficult mate when both sides are reading from the same “play book”.

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      James Bradley

      It is bewildering.

      Since when did biased news poll samples of 1,200 left wing opinions each month determine the will of the people?

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        Tom O

        The answer to your question, Jim, is when money can buy the votes to back the polls. There was too much money at stake to allow leadership that might consider the nation and people, rather than the rich and powerful. In a battle between principle and gold, money ALWAYS wins.

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          ExWarmist

          Tom O says…

          In a battle between principle and gold, money ALWAYS wins.

          Might I suggest that could be better phrased as

          In a battle between principle and full fiat, debt instrument currencies masquerading as money, the full fiat, debt instrument currencies win (until the debt ponzi dies under it’s own weight).

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        PeterS

        Not only that but when Turnbull was opposition leader years ago his polling was a lot worse than Abbott’s. Clearly the Liberal party panicked because they didn’t do a rational analysis of the situation. All they had to do was stop the leaks and worked as a team. The irony is Turnbull now expects the whole party to do that. On that basis alone, Turnbull is a traitor to the people who voted for the LNP. In that case, he has lost a lot of supporters. The question is will his party now pick up enough Labor voters to make up the difference. I doubt it. So, we now have the horrendous prospective of Shorten being the next PM.

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          Bulldust

          The leaks make a lot of sense now in context. They were orchestrated as a lead up to the spill. Politicians are not half as stupid as people like to pretend they are. This was a spill planned months in advance.

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            EyesWideOpen

            I agree about the pre-meditated scalping.

            I was wondering the other day if the ‘boom mic climate denial’ incident wasn’t a setup to position Abbott for a gaff right before the planned scalping … just so the rest in the party know the real reason … because of his ‘denial’ and love of living on a ‘shrinking island’. Bet the bed-wetter in the White House woke up this morning to a nice surprise.

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          Wayne Job

          OZ has had a few up front and honest PMs Abbott was one, they are easy targets to destroy because of their honesty. The old truism” there are lies, damned lies and then politicians” Mark Twain. Say’s heaps, he was against the political agenda of CO2 hatred so was a scapegoat. The press have told BS about him deriding him in everyway possible .Sad my country.

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        John Watt

        Why not use 21st century technology to give all of us a say in how the country is run? Real democracy. Forget the left wing /right wing simplification of the real world. We need decisions not egocentric party antics. Effective management of Australia is not the football match that representative democracy would have us believe.

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        EyesWideOpen

        Since the flag burned on September 14th, 2015.

        The polls now show that everyone in Australia agrees this was not a coup … go back to bed Australia … your ‘government’ is in control!

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      Alice Thermopolis

      HOW MANY LAWYERS DOES IT TAKE TO RUIN A COUNTRY?

      Never expected Honourable Member for Curtin – to be involved in such ugly shenanigans, especially just days out from WA Canning by-election, where betting agencies were/are indicating a Liberal win.

      Whatever ex-PM’s failings, he led his party to victory two years ago. Not his fault gaming-the-system voting in Senate election delivered such a rat-bag group of kanga-dung throwers, determined to oppose almost every government policy.

      He did not deserve this kind of termination, neither did 45% who voted him in. Liberals have well and truly lost the ‘high moral ground’ here.

      How many lawyers does it take to ruin a party/country?

      According to a July 2013 Reader’s Digest poll, Australian lawyers less trusted than police, bus drivers, hairdressers, waiters and cleaners. Of trusted professions, lawyers placed 39th, journalists 43rd, talk-back radio hosts 44th and prostitutes 46th. Three below sex workers, at 49th, politicians ‒ presumably including lawyer-politicians ‒ did not run stone, motherless last. At 50th, that honour fell to door-to-door salespeople.

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    PeterPetrum

    Just in time for Paris. Who would have thunk it?

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      Hasbeen

      Yep. Watch out for your money come Paris. It is frightening to think what this dumb blob, & Bishop aiding & abetting are likely to sign us up for at the Paris party.

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        James Bradley

        Hasbeen,

        It is very possible, or even likely, that Paris may not now be the coup that was predicted.

        Don’t forget, there is a new flood of refugees into Europe and there just aren’t the resources to address both an immediate humanitarian crisis and a future humanitarian ideology at the same time.

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          Grant (NZ)

          That’s a very good thought. There may be a upside to the influx of “refugees” to Europe. Mind you, the media is trying to spin the Syria situation as a climate issue,

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            ExWarmist

            To my mind – those are a pair of excuses for more monetary looseness by the ECB.

            Just “print” the euro – who cares…

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    Socialist Medja have got their Road to Paris.

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    Annie

    I am disgusted beyond description. Shonky, shonky, shonky.

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    RoHa

    Labor, Liberal, no difference.

    They both sell the country to foreigners (and especially China).
    They both brown-nose the U.S. and send Australians to fight in America’s stupid wars.
    They both pass laws to restrict our freedoms.
    And neither does anything useful about the excessive cost of housing.

    Tweedledum and Tweedledee.

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      PeterS

      Yes, I recall the time when Rudd was PM. Turnbull at times looked like he was his deputy leader. We now have both major parties who are of the left. I wish the National Party has the guts to pull out and force an election right now as it makes no difference if Labor gets in. I think this country needs a big wake up call, and the best way to get it is to have ALP+Greens back in power to do it.

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    Mark Hladik

    “We will fight them on the shores; we will fight them in the streets; we will fight them on the steps of Parliment. We shall NEVER surrender!”

    W. Churchill, 1940

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      Winston

      Adam,

      So good to see that a card carrying tool of the worst and most rapacious business entity in the entire world, Goldman Sachs, has now become leader of the nation- Malcolm the first, King of Bogania.

      So, we are presented with a choice, a corrupt union leader who sells out workers entitlements for political gain, and a tool of the CFMEU, or a Labor-lite climate zombie who has taken on board every soft, leftist narrative as though it was the sermon on the mount, and underhandedly preparing to help fleece the humble taxpayer through perpetuating the climate scam for the benefit of the corrupt UN, or the Wall Street traders who are dying to get their hands on trillions of dollars of unearned cash and b@gger the consequences for the humble taxpayer.

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        Ted O'Brien.

        It is quite some time since Malcolm Turnbull worked for Goldman Sachs.

        For those who do not know or have forgotten, his greatest claim to fame was that he beat the British government at law, no doubt taking some advice from his wife Lucy and his father in law Tom Hughes. That was the Spycatcher case.

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          ExWarmist

          I wonder, Once a GS man, Always a GS man.

          The tentacles of the great vampire squid reach deep into the darkness of mens hearts.

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        Angry

        Winston,
        “TOOL” is the correct term indeed!

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    Sean McHugh

    Can anyone see any recovery from this? Please.

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      Winston

      No. Stick a fork in Australia. It’s done.

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      michael hart

      As a Pommie, I can’t speak to general Australian politics. But as Jo often points out, no amount of foolish laws, in Australia or anywhere else, is going to have an effect on the weather. But it may affect your taxes and employment. That’s for Australians to decide.
      It will play itself out eventually.

      Anglo-saxon economies don’t rule the world anymore. And China/India/Brazil/Russia etcetera are going to do what they are going to do, in Paris.
      They really don’t give a toss about global warmers.

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        What Class?

        Yuss. Just remember what you poor bastards went through in the seventies. Gladys fixed it and was torched for her efforts. It hurts like hell right now but it will be corrected – for a while. Never underestimate the human capacity for stupidity.

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      Peta

      As a “Yank”, we’ve had to deal with Obama for 8yrs. The Tea Party here is still active (contrary to media reports). Grassroots is working for us. We’ve push out the slim at the state ad local level and will continue.
      We will no longer go back to sleep.

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      MudCrab

      Maybe Sean.

      Back in 2009 every man and his media dog said the Liberal party needed to do whatever that nice Mr Rudd said, OR ELSE. The ‘public’ view was that Turnbull needed to support the Extra Tax Scam, OR ELSE.

      Fortunately back in 2009 the rank and file of the Liberal remembered that the party belonged to them, started telling the elected members that if they wanted to support ALP policy then we would have voted for it and casually reminded elected members exactly who put up all those stupid ‘Vote for Me’ posters up come election time.

      Back in 2009 the rank and file reminded the mob in Canberra exactly who did all the unpaid work letterboxing, doorknocking and phone canvasing and exactly who ended up standing all day on a booth getting abused by lefties.

      If the rank and file still hate Turnbull, and I know *I* do, then there may be a backlash.

      If Turnbull fails to IMMEDIATELY ‘turn things around’ (whatever that really means) there may be a backlash.

      If there is a backlash, it will only take 6 elected members to change their vote.

      Abbott wont get back, but Andrews may.

      So, that is my take. If you are connected at grass roots with the Liberal Party, then get lashing.

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        AndyG55

        Let’s see what the first few polls have to say.

        I’m hoping they will be absolutely horrific of Turnbull and the Liberals.

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          clive

          The “Polls”will say what-ever the “Pollsters”want them to say.Some-one said once said “Never Conduct a Poll Unless You Know What The Result Is”

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      What Class?

      It ain’t over.

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    Leigh

    Who do I vote for now?
    I voted for liberal party and Abbott to be prime minister.
    At least until the next election.
    Not Turnbul!
    I simply cannot believe that the liberal party has lowered themselves into the gutter alongside the labor party/greens coalition.
    I’m simply stunned they could be that stupid!
    Who do I vote for?
    The greens
    The labor party
    No, I’m done.
    The people of this country have no party of difference to exercise their vote.
    None!
    I’m done, I’ll go through the motions at the polling station and tear up the ballots at the box.
    What is the point when both major partys are going to inflict the same pain on the voters.
    I’m done!

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      mobihci

      maybe with a bit of a push the Nationals could be convinced to run on its own again. there would be a lot of support for an actual alternative to left, left, far left.

      put it this way, the numbers against what they are supposed to stand for in the liberals are real, so there is no hope for the future of that lot. a total clean out is needed to regain any sort of trust. this is a big win for labor.

      people like clive palmer etc have done well in recent elections due to the lack of options, so a group that has at least a few stable members now, like the Nationals, could compete.

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      Graeme No.3

      Don’t tear the ballot papers up, you will get fined. There is nothing to stop you putting a blank paper into the box. Or you could write abuse on it but that just gets discarded (unless it’s funny).

      Better would be to be polite to the people handing out How to Vote paper at the entrance, and tell them you won’t be voting for them because of Turnbull. This gets back to the numbers men rather quickly, and if there are enough it gets the local member thinking, especially if he loses or has to wait days while preferences are distributed.

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        Leigh

        Graham, I wasn’t aware of being fined for tearing them up.
        Thanks for the heads up.
        In hindsight, my demonstrative displeasure to the electoral staff would be positively uninspiring to them.
        I really did think once they were handed to me they were mine.
        Silly me for thinking I’m living in a democracy and could exercise my displeasure, non violently, at a voting system that allows those elected to thumb their noses at people such as me.
        Considering they have no such laws applied to them,that allows them to tear up a mandate given to them by we the people.
        By now my local members office as well as Turnbuls are well aware of my non voting intentions.

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        Stupendus

        I just write “Non of the B@strds” across mine

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      Glen Michel

      Time for a broad-based Conservative party(sorry if this has been mentioned previously).Based on common- sense real world observations and applying appropriate responses to problems.This culture of lies and deceit must end less we all lose our individuality.

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      Robdel

      Watch the numbers of people voting for the ALA swell now.

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        Leigh

        Thanks Jim but I’m way ahead of you.
        I had them mail out some of their paraphernalia nearly two years ago.
        I’ll sit back and see if they stand a candidate out my way so I can check him out.

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      Greebo

      I have sent this to Liberal MPs, and now I’m sending it to the Nats. Not particularly eloquent, but I’m angry.

      It’s astounding how events can crystallise memories. The events of this week have caused me to reflect on my time on the roll, able to cast my vote, to make a choice about who would lead this country. I first had the choice, at a Federal level, in 1972. A number of those currently in our Parliament may remember this one. It was the year Gough Whitlam was able wrest power, after 23 years, from William McMahon, and the Conservative side of politics. Thus began perhaps the most divisive time in memory in the Governance of this Nation. I remember it vividly. I was a very young and immature soldier, a volunteer at a time when most of my age were marching in Moratoria, a time when serving your country meant more than putting on a suit and tie and preening for the cameras. My Liberal, or Conservative, values were born in this time. I endured many weeks, six or seven perhaps, of not getting paid, of eating 1945 rations because of the blocking of supply by the Senate in 1975, and then enjoyed the near rapture that followed the election of the Fraser Government subsequently.
      I have always believed in the decency of Liberal values, those held by Sir Robert Menzies, John Winston Howard, and, recently, Tony Abbott. It now seems to me that those values have been cast adrift. If there was a valid and reasonable reason for the Party to shift their values , then I might understand, but it seems to me that is truly a matter of ego that the “Party” has chosen to act the way they have this week.
      It is with the greatest regret that I tell you, the Liberal Party, that after 43 years, you have lost my vote. Your values are no better than those displayed by Bill Shorten when he played his part in displacing a Prime Minister. I am reasonably certain that both the ‘New” PM and his “New’ deputy decried that behaviour at the time.
      I have been called many things in my time, but hypocrite is one I’ve avoided up until now. To keep this record intact, I now tell you that, from now as long as Malcolm Turnbull is leader, and Julie Bishop is Deputy, and while these people are in fact in any way involved in the running of the Party, My vote will be cast elsewhere.
      This is the blackest week in the history of the once great Liberal Party in living memory.
      I expected such disloyalty from Turnbull. I never expected it from Bishop. I once had hopes for her for PM. Now I hope she loses he’s seat. In fact, I think I’ll vote Labor, just to purge this disloyalty from the Party.
      So sad.

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        MJD

        @Greebo

        Your initial comments mirror my feelings to some extent though my ill feeling for Abbott was caused by his government’s first budget and the broken promises. His one saving grace was that he had got rid of the carbon tax. Yes, I’ll concede he led the Coalition to government and he stopped the boats. But I’m sick of politicians being lying scumbags on election issues. A lot of people on this site clearly think Abbott going is a disaster but is it? The CAGW scam doesn’t stand up to much scrutiny and because of sites/blogs like this one there is a lot of good information around to drip feed your greener friends.

        I’m astounded by the number of quite well educated people who just believe in the slogans, don’t realise the difference between climate change and catastrophic anthropogenic global warming, don’t realise the enormous costs involved to achieve nothing, etc. For example, and these are very broad brush numbers, New Zealand removes coal from its energy generation why can’t Australia follow; well dear friend coal in NZ generated about 5% of their energy, here in Australia it’s closer to 80%. Take that out of our power generation and you won’t have electricity unless you live in Tasmania.

        Perhaps five PMs in five years will become six in six and it will still be a coalition government.

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    A C Osborn

    A very sad day for not just \australia, but the whole world.

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    James Murphy

    Well, I guess there’s no point in me returning to live in Australia any time soon…

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      James

      I am in the same situation as you. I am glad I am here in the USA, and we have a lot of outsider non career politician types as the front runner for the next President.

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    Mervyn

    Nothing to celebrate. Turnbull is a global warming alarmist. He endorsed Rudd’s ETS before it was abandoned.

    The biggest concern is Turnbull will now be going to the Paris Climate Conference in December, and I am 100% certain he will sign the international agreement, pushed by Obama, to control fossil fuel energy use, banning it from 2100. Turnbull will feel cosy next to UNFCCC head, Christine Figueres, the lady who is abandoning capitalism to replace it with the UN’s AGENDA 21 (sustainability. These are dangerous times.

    The good thing about Abbott was that he always said he would never do anything that would hurt Australia’s economy… and he certainly was never going to sign any Paris agreement which would adversely impact on Australia’s coal mining and gas industries. Turnbull is most likely going to sign the agreement which will hurt our coal mining, our electricity prices, etc

    Under Turnbull, be prepared for Australia to contribute to the Green Climate Fund. He will encourage more wind turbines and solar farms, etc etc etc … it is back to the old global warming alarmism scare as under Rudd and Gillard. And it’s going to cost Australia billions of dollars for no difference to the global temperature.

    Today is a sad day!

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      Dennis

      According to The Australian last year Turnbull was sighted with Rudd and family members dining at a restaurant in Beijing, China.

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    Eric Worrall

    Turnbull’s appeal for “loyalty” should be hilarious viewing :-)

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    Ian Wilson

    There needs to be a new centre-right party which support sensible conservative principles.
    If I were Cory Bernardi, Jo Hockey or Eric Abetz, I would resign from the Liberal Party
    immediately and start canvasing for Liberal MPs who would like to join a true centre-right
    party and not belong to Labor-lite. If enough MP’s defect, it would force an election.

    While this would put Shorten and CFMEU in power for about two years they will so stuff the
    country that only the brain dead or insane would vote then back in the next time….

    Wait, I though that would be the case after the Rudd-Gillard fiasco….

    :-(

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    ‘It’s jest a jump to the left,
    let’s do the time warp agen, tra la.’

    Let’s not. Three left wing parties,
    where’s the choice?

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    Timbo

    Oh dang. I was hoping I could go my whole life without voting for Pauline Hanson, but now she’s the only non-Laborish party leader around.

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    Athelstan.

    It’s a dark day for democracy, don’t they ever figure the clowns who call themselves MPs – that, they were voted in on the Abbot ticket?

    Turnbull, is poison and poison is what you will get shoved down your throats.

    IMHO, the Internationalist claque have by the gerrymandering of Australian politics and via the transport of those nefarious offices of Malcolm Turnbull, ousted Abbot For reasons known to many on here, and who are familiar with ideology of the International Socialists – the Cultural Marxism of the Frankfurt School adherents.
    There is, a conference coming our way, ostensibly it is about climate, actually the subtext is more to do with control and taxes – who controls you and who can tax you and let me tell you – the last thing they need is resistance from democratically elected PM’s like Tony Abbot.

    The death of the nation state is Agenda 21 writ large, Turnbull has long worked for the other side you should realized by now – Australia has been sold out by Turnbull and those ratbag MPs.

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    The anti Abbott, Abbott, Abbott campaign in the media has been relentless and successful.

    It started back in 1950 actually.

    Carleton Carpenter and Debbie Reynolds. (and heavens above, at 18, she was just so cute.)

    I heard the presser and Julie said that the targets they’re taking to Paris will be unchanged.

    Tony.

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    The Backslider

    Unbelievable!

    I knew this was coming, which is why I chose to return to my home country of Finland rather than Australia when the decision came to leave Perú.

    My biggest reason was that I have two young children. In Australia now you do not send your children to school to be educated, but rather you send them there to be indoctrinated. This now includes the universities. Turncoat will ensure that this continues.

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      Andrew McRae

      I had no idea this was happening. I was too busy calculating derivatives of global warming equations to take any notice of the news. Jeez, can’t take yer eye off the ball for 5 minutes around here. We could win the science battle and still lose the war.

      Presumably Jo and her WA companions will secede from the federation in protest? I mean, they are already a net exporter to the eastern states. I’d probably join them.

      I guess Finland would be okay on many angles, but I’m no good at drinking straight vodka and I hate the cold. Still, that’s better than the carefree warmth of el Presidente Turbull’s banana republic.

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        EyesWideOpen

        I’d be right on a plane and returning to my home state in a jiffy for sure … that would be like some kind of Twilight Zone episode though. WA get a good deal? Not likely in my lifetime, which is why I left for sunny Tasmania which is for now under REAL conservative Liberal management … maybe we can secede and join up with WA? Though they probably don’t need a GST albatross round their necks … once free, who would look back … LOL!

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    Technically; he’s not the PM until he’s gone to the GG with “the ability to form government” and been sworn in.

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      Hasbeen

      Now that would be a really good joke.

      If enough Libs have the guts to resign, & move to the cross benches, it would stop the slime ball forming a government & becoming PM.

      There is no way he will be elected to job, so it would save us at least one PM pension, & stop the slime getting the Kewpie doll of his dreams.

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    Anton

    A long time ago I spent a few hours in the public gallery of the Spycatcher trial in Sydney. It was a surreal experience because in courtrooms on either side minor arguments about boundaries between farmers were being fought out and here was a trial that was dominating the front pages of UK newspapers.

    After it was over Turnbull wrote a revoltingly self-congratulatory book. I didn’t think he was impressive that day; the truth was that he was batting on a better wicket, because Thatcher was determined to deter ex-spooks from going public simply by sending the message that, win or lose, they would be dragged through the courts.

    Back here in the UK many bankers now have fingers in the pies of wind turbine companies.

    Don’t give up. It will probably now take power cuts before sanity returns but that’s not the end of the world. And you can always abrogate international treaties. Meanwhile, there is a place for new political parties.

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      Graeme No.3

      I wondered why there was an advertisement for generators in the paper yesterday. We may all need one, or the equivalent.

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    Peter Miller

    This looks like sour grapes for what happened a few years ago.

    So now Australia is governed by an ecoloon, multi-millionaire, champagne socialist – at least that is the BBC’s angle on the situation.

    No country, or bird, operates well with two left wings, as Australia will shortly have demonstrated to it. However, it is good news for the white flag manufacturers as Turnbull will undoubtedly need a lot of them at Paris later this year.

    I feel very sad for Australia, this is indeed a sad day.

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    Catamon

    So, Malcolm Turncoat has knifed a sitting PM. Deprived the people of their sovereign right to pass judgement at and election.

    Do we need and election now?? :)

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      DavidH

      What’s good for the goose should be good for the gander. Yes, there were calls for “election now” with the RGR debacle. The same calls should be made now for Malcolm T to go to the people. Let’s get the Bill Shorten bad medicine taken sooner rather than later. A proper Liberal can then be made leader.

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      Another Ian

      Don’t I recall that, as Leader of the Opposition, Tony Abbott was credited with the scalps of three prime ministers?

      Here is his chance to add a Liberal one to the bag.

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    The system is broken, the electorate is incompetent.

    As I wrote here 2 and 1/2 years ago:

    “All of this, of course, is happening in the immediate context of a political war, being waged by what I call the Insane Left, upon all those they want to demonize and marginalize in the public mind. The majority of voices you gather information from, particularly the mainstream media (but even the “lukewarm skeptics” in the climate debates), are incompetently and/or fraudulently pretending the system is working as it should–but it is not, and reality and recognition of the objective, scientific truth were the first victims in the war. You cannot stop the insanity if you will not recognize it as insanity, if people will not recognize the system is broken.”

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      Joe V.

      This wasn’t the electorate, but the fools in the Party Room listening to the Meedja. No time to even consult with their electorate on the matter.

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    thingadonta

    Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

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      Catamon

      Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

      And i care about a smell in the streets of Copenhagen because??

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        James Murphy

        Marcellus seemed to think so – whilst talking to Horatio, in Hamlet (act 1, if I recall).

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        Angry

        “Catamon”,
        No doubt you are happy with this comrade of yours turncoat turnbull….

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          Catamon

          Actually Angry, if you had more than half a brain and a normal humans memory capacity, you would know i am well on record as preferring that Abbott had won last nights leadership ballot. :)

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    Bassie Thoreau

    What a disgrace ….how can the VOTERS stop this constant challenging of the PRIME MINISTER
    It’s absurd..it brings SHAME to all Australians especially our WORLD standing …we have become the latest joke world wide. It’s VOTERS who pick the PM not internal struggles for the top job. I dislike TURNBULL ,,,,he feels he is the leader for us ..for Australia…but he is an imposter ..a thief..a narcissistic , greedy OLD man …who has FORCED himself into the top job. I feel SICK I will be seeing his face in the MEDIA from tomorrow. I hope de is deposed ASAP personally with him in the lead the LIBERALS will lose the next election. His actions are dishonourable and shifty ..how can Australians trust such a person to represent AUSTRALIA as a PM

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      Joe V.

      If UN have their way in Paris it won’t matter who wins the next election. Not to Malcolm anyway, who’ll be richly rewarded with a cosy appointment for doing the UN’s bidding.

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        EyesWideOpen

        Appointment? He’ll retire and be sipping wine on a Rothschild vineyard quicker than you can say ‘sieg hail’. After Paris, Turnbull’s work is done, we’ll have Shorten by next year, and the rest of us will have a long march to ROOM 101 for ‘re-education’. It’ll be 6 Prime Ministers in 6 years come next spring, or they might skip the ministers and send a troika of sorts over from the United Nations, the IMF, and London-Wall Street.

        Deniers will not be tolerated. ROOM 101 awaits!
        ‘Science’ is infallible, so buy your Carbon Indulgences peasants.

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    Unmentionable

    A Goldman Sachs executive decides to buy a new tailored suit so goes to a famous tailor and gets measured up. A week later he goes back for fitting and puts on the suit. It looks real sharp – like a rat with the gold tooth. After a minute in front of the mirror he reaches down and puts his hands in his pockets and discovers there are no pockets. So he asks the tailor, “wtf?”
    “You’re a banker aren’t you?”
    “That’s correct.”
    “Well don’t you usually have your hand in everyone else’s pocket?”
    “Yeah … yeah, that is correct … carry on.”

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    Mike

    “Turnbull was Chairman of Goldman Sachs Australia from 1997-2001.” ……
    From: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-14/malcolm-turnbull-overthrows-tony-abbott-become-australian-pm

    Ok dokes. Right. I did not know that.

    One of the comments on that site went something like “ask not what your bank can do for you, ask instead, what you can do for your bank.”
    Good grief.

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    Bill

    We face the same sort of nonsense here in Canada with our in progress federal election. Love how the Liberals and NDP are trying to cast anyone conservative (especially PM Harper) as pure evil and only they can save us all. They tried a barely legal coup 4 years ago with a threatened non confidence vote & proposed coalition with seperatist (which got defeated and the electorate voted in a majority in the following election), and the merry-go-round is still spinning as they are set to try again. The angry beard (Mulcair-NDP), brat (Trudeau jr – liberal) and Flaky Lizzy (May-Green) simply don’t get it…Canadians are not impressed. Much like Australians were when the electorate chose Abbott.
    Stay tuned for election results on Oct 19th.

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      Obama and his Parisites think they had Harper in the bag to loose the October election but were really worried about Abbott staying alive before Parisgate.
      Well Turnkote fixed Abbott so let’s hope Harper can survive the October election.
      In the end Parisgate will probably be an utter failure as most countries will not fund EU Cagw propaganda or the Goldman Sachs executive bonus schemes.
      The current European refugee crisis will focus the World’s attention on real and present dangers rather than those that might possibly occur hundreds of years from now, if ever.

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        Bill

        The various talking heads in the media are in for a major shock on October 19th. Once again, it will be shown that the majority are not stupid – as long as they show up to vote and block the NDP-Lib-Media party. As for Obama and his machine, they have tried repeatedly to interfer in our internal matters and we are sick of him/them (including all his backroom power brokers who are supporting Trudeau).

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    R2Dtoo

    We Canucks fear that the same will happen here this fall. PM Harper has an understanding that climate science is far from settled and probably isn’t ready to accept an accord in Paris. I had high hopes that Australia would be the other thoughtful “no thanks” in Paris. I’m hoping now that the BRICs will stifle the accord, or Poland or Hungary- anyone! Maybe the world will see the extravagance and hypocrisy in Paris and make changes before the world order changes, and 200 years of the fight for democracy is lost. Both the Liberals and New Democrats in Canada will sign whatever comes out of Paris.

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    Well that’s stuffed up the Canning by-election for the Liberal Party.

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      Catamon

      Well that’s stuffed up the Canning by-election for the Liberal Party.

      How so? Hastie now rides in on the “anyone but Abbott” poll bounce.

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    Dariusz

    I have been politically orphaned. Will never vote for the pair of traitors. Both warmists that will lead to the crushing defeat of the liberals next year. Then Morrison will come to the rescue, but only after another 3 wrecking years of labor.
    Is it going to be too late for Australia? Where do I go again? I thought this was to be the lucky one? I believed in democracy and was ready to die for it. Not anymore as you can,t compete with almost universal incompetence (stupidity) of the electorate.
    We are self destructing ourselves. The golden years of “Johnny be good” are just but a distant memory. Huge government, red tape, age of entitlement, 20% of work force are public burocrats, end of mining boom, no market mechanism to get out of this morass.
    Now it is the irreversible slide into the banana republic, sooner than I expected.

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      Manfred

      Thank you David. The (Feb 2015) prescience is extraordinary, intelligent and chilling.

      So, RIGHT NOW at the UN our collective futures may become preordained in ways you can and cannot imagine. This IS the emplacement of “UN Agenda 21″ now referred to as The Agenda. Our destiny is spelt out very clearly.

      15 September – 6 October:
      The 70th Regular Session of the UN General Assembly (UNGA 70) is scheduled to open at UN Headquarters on 15 September 2015. On 25 September 2015, His Holiness Pope Francis will address the UNGA, and from 25-27 September the Summit for the Adoption of the Post-2015 Development Agenda will convene.

      The goal:
      The 17 Sustainable Development Goals and 169 targets which we are announcing today demonstrate the scale and ambition of this new universal Agenda. They seek to build on the Millennium Development Goals and complete what they did not achieve.

      28.We commit to making fundamental changes in the way that our societies produce and consume goods and services. Governments,international organizations, the business sector and other non-State actors and individuals must contribute to changing unsustainable consumption and production patterns…

      45. We acknowledge also the essential role of national parliaments through their enactment of legislation and adoption of budgets and their role in ensuring accountability for the effective implementation of our commitments. Governments and public institutions will also work closely on implementation with regional and local authorities, subregional institutions, international institutions, academia, philanthropic organizations, volunteer groups and others.

      This is the future Turnbull has bought into and the proscribed future we are all being locked into with a breath taking gusto. This is the New Age democracy. It is however doomed. As the institutions and bureaucracies blossom, so their inefficiencies, wastage and corruption will lead to their ultimate collapse. It will take more than a European Army to hold this Kollectiv together.

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        TIM

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        We are committed to ending poverty in all its forms and dimensions, including
        by eradicating extreme poverty by 2030

        Oh really?…’eradicating’ it indeed

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      KinkyKeith

      Thanks David and Manfred for bringing this video to our notice.

      He certainly has a way of explaining things that make it very clear what the future holds; more enslavement.

      KK

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    C.C. to all who should be ashamed
    Dear Mr. TurnbullIy

    It is with absolute disgust I write this letter, You are no more than an opportunist seeking your moment of glory. This makes Liberal Party unworthy of representing what is left of our once great country . Aside from the miserable Hockey Budget, I found hope that Mr. Abbott was the most informed P.M. you had, and Ms Bishop was an excellent Deputy. However I have watched petty persecution and vilification from the, Labour party, the Greens/Reds, the treacherous ABC and Liberals to the point of gross embarrassment. Last time such a foul trick was played we finished up with a Labour/Communist leader who allowed enemies to invade our country to fulfill the long planned Caliphate to control the world by the Muslim Brotherhood.

    I well remember our country pre multiculturism, as a safe place to raise children, a country that had a pretty low crime rate with no major drug problems. One where a woman could walk home at night without being raped or murdered and home invasions were virtually non existant. My father was a Labour Party candidate and a Union man and we welcomed post war migrants with open arms and food on the table for strangers who were grateful for the opportunity, did not make unrealistic demands, worked hard, and did this,country proud. Bless them all!

    Tony Abbott finally stopped the inflow of illegal immigrants and his solution of the refugees was fair and acceptable. If persecuted Christians had been rescued from Syria this invasion of Europe (that even Gadaffi predicted) would not have happened. But unevolved people have turned a blind eye to the real truth because of their own personal ignorant agendas. Even the media has sunk so low as to misuse a photo of a little boy who wasn’t even a refugee. Did no one care about the torture and murders of Christian adults and children who were raped, hearts ripped out and cooked alive.

    I am an 8th generation Australian whose ancestors were slave labour ,yet were still the backbone of this country . We suffered greatly as a result of both the first world war and the second world war. I have been round long enough to teach you idiots a thing or two about how to run this country.

    [SNIP, email coming- J]

    I am angry but at least I am up front and honest and vote with my conscience.

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    Ruairi

    On to Paris the Emperor goes,
    Where world leaders will point out his clothes,
    And with climate-change zeal,
    Vote his garments are real,
    With each saying YES and no NO’s.

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    Joe V.

    The UN rewards of avarice for political leaders who will dance to & string their followers along to its tune. What future for principled leaders in the post- Democratic World of UNocracy ?

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    Leonard

    Don’t worry, , the UK is not tuning left. Labour has torn itself apart following their humiliating defeat by the Tories . Corbyn was voted for by labour party activists who represent some half of one percent of the voters in the UK.

    Cameron is busily dismantling what he calls the ‘green cra*’ although that won’t stop the UK making enthusiastic noises in Paris.

    I don’t begin to understand why you have changed your prime minister so often in the last couple of years though, and. Can’t see why tunbulll will appeal to the electorate he is aiming at

    Tonyb

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      ianl8888


      Can’t see why tunbulll will appeal to the electorate he is aiming at

      That doesn’t matter to the “progressives”. The meeja will do their biased best for him but if that proves insufficient, it only means that the ALP/Green side will then win the next election … Turnbull will care of course, but he really doesn’t matter in the grand progressive flow. There is no doubt that the MSM exercise enormous power in unaccountable, covert ways – and a majority of the populace believe whatever they are told most of the time

      This is about the notion of climate change, nee global warming. Middle East wars with associated miseries, foundational union/ALP corruption here in Aus, constant raiding skirmishes on people’s life savings – all very intense, but not the main game. That is reserved for climate change “policy” as a stalking horse for the quelling of the sovereign state. For examples observe Ireland, Cyprus

      Aus now has a Govt with Turnbull, Bishop and Hunt firmly in control of the agenda for Paris. I found it a little suprising it took two years from the last election to achieve that, but when Abbott failed to run a Double Dissolution at the end of his first year, my view was that the “progressives” had already won (because Abbott was running scared of the MSM). I know I’ve been called cynical and apathetic for that view, but those who used these epithets indiscriminately were simply showing their lack of big-picture perspicacity

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    I hear that turnbull doesn’t take over until after the Paris conference. Is that correct?

    Tonyb

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    Aussieute

    6 Prime Ministers in 9 years does not give the impression of a stable democratic nation.
    What’s needed is a long term vision and similar action and so deny the MSM with their daily drivel and the bullish poles

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    handjive

    Important post @ J Marohassy:

    “I note that you advise that that if I have ongoing concerns I should submit these to a reputable journal.

    The detail of my analysis of both the maximum and minimum temperature time series for Deniliquin and Rutherglen will soon be publically available in the peer-reviewed scientific literature.

    This contrasts with the publication history of the ‘adjustments’ for Deniliquin and Rutherglen by the Bureau which have not been published in any peer-review literature, and which do not accord with actual discontinuities in the individual raw temperature series.”
    . . .
    J. Marohassy is awesome. Thank you Ms. Jennifer.

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    AndyG55

    The next few polls will be hilarious, as Liberal voter desert in droves.

    Looking forward to Liberals 10-15% 2pp.

    They need to be shown just what a HORRENDOUS mistake they have just made.

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    sophocles

    The world’s elites own much of the Earth’s surface. They charge us rent for it. Now they are trying for the means to levy charges on us for the air we breathe. Tony Abbott seemed to realise it and had the gumption to not surrender to the Cargo Cult.

    When I heard the mutter from the gutter that Aus and NZ “… weren’t doing enough for Klimate Change …” despite being only 0.133% contributors to CO2 emissions (like, a really significant proportion … NOT), a couple of weeks ago, I wondered where and when we would see fallout from it, which one was going to be first, and what was going to happen. I was surprised at the speed in Canberra. I can’t say I was surprised by the result. I’m still watching Wellington … Dr Nick Smith, Minister for Klimate Katastrophies and Kalamities, has been too quiet …

    Of course, it’s all about the money. Aus and NZ weren’t going to contribute a brass peso, so that has to change. Kiribati is still as far above the waves as it ever has been, and so are the others, but Welfare is Welfare no matter the source.

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    Jeff Id

    “Labor, Liberal, what’s the difference?”

    I don’t follow Australian politics heavily and always thought from political statements that these were in fact the same thing. In fact most conservatives in other countries sound pretty liberal to me.

    I am sorry for the loss. If someone wouldn’t mind explaining the differences here it would be helpful.

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      Dennis

      There is a difference, they are now both to the left of centre however Union’s Labor and Greens are far to the left of centre and the Turnbull Liberals are slightly to their right.

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        Angry

        Incorrect.
        turncoat turnbull is of the FAR LEFT, just like the alp(Australian LIARS Party) and greens (watermelons).
        We are bereft of a real conservative political party in Australia currently.

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      el gordo

      Jeff our political system is mainly centre right and centre left, Turnbull is taking the Libs to the left because he is essentially Labor Lite.

      Hope that helps.

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      Jeff Id

      Thanks all for the answers, it is helpful.

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    pat

    the Nationals have the ability to stop Turnbull being sworn in as PM, simply by not agreeing to form a Coalition with him. will they do that? doubt it.

    Alan Jones claims among those who voted for Turnbull were Bronwyn Bishop, Arthur Sinodinos, the young Wyatt Roy and several others PM Abbott had supported.

    the traitorous MSM:

    Paul Kelly, The Australian: Turnbull’s arrival as prime minister offers a new hope and style for the Coalition government.

    Terry McCrann: Herald Sun: In simple terms, Abbott has been an inept political operator; his prime ministership was quite simply broken and not simply broken, but unrepairable.

    Wall St. Journal: Michael Rafferty, an economist at the University of Sydney, said Mr. Turnbull—a self-made millionaire who had a successful business and legal career before entering politics in 2004—has much stronger ties with the business community than Mr. Abbott…
    His past suggests he may take a different policy tack on issues such as renewable energy and same-sex marriage, which Mr. Abbott opposed…

    Fortune Mag: Similarly, Turnbull has sought to draw a line on the subject of climate change, contrasting Abbott’s conservative views on the topic with his own. “Abbott’s climate change policy is bullsh*t”, he wrote in an op-ed, calling for a more effective framework to tackle global warming. Both of these issues could come to the forefront now he is Prime Minister, with on-lookers watching closely to see if he acts on past public statements.

    WaPo: Tony Abbott is out of a job, and another leading climate-change skeptic may soon follow
    Harper is now under threat, too. Canada will hold parliamentary elections in October…

    Peter Hartcher, SMH: The advent of Turnbull is not just a personnel change. He will want to move the government to a more active stance on climate change and gay marriage. Anything less will disappoint the electorate.

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    Colin

    That’s it then, the Marxists have won the war.
    There is no use in further politicing to try to avoid the coming disaster.
    The only party worth your vote now is “Informal”.

    I feel devastated.

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      bobl

      I think you need to just consult the ballot and choose the candidate that best represents you. If Turnbull’s mob is not it, then choose someone else. Ask them at election time, I do. With enough activism we might just be able to get enough conservative independents over the line to avoid complete insolvency.

      If RGR had a conservative cross bench instead of the wimps we had, the last term would have been much different. The question is how to build enough of a conservative cross bench. Maybe the ALA is it, but I can’t help worrying about the soviet system they have in their manifesto.

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    MJD

    Perhaps I believe the media too much but Abbott was likely to lead Labour, yes Labour, to victory at the next election. Is that better or worse than Turnbull and the Liberals? (AndyG55) Liberals 10-15%, I don’t think so. The first budget from this government was a debacle; the second an about face. I didn’t vote for Abbott but for the Liberal party – there is a difference. Hopefully Abbott will still be around but he’s not the only one who doesn’t believe in CAGW or, more importantly, the futility of trying to do anything about it.

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      AndyG55

      I think you underestimate just how much most once-Liberal voters despise Turnbull.

      Many will vote ANYTHING else rather than vote for him.

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        James

        Correct. I will vote Labor before voting for a party lead by Turnbull.

        Of course I’d vote Labor so that 3 years later and abysmally in debt even the dimmest bulb will see that anything but Labor (and The Greens) is a better option, Having lost the lection Turnbull will also be gone.

        Sadly this will take 4 years of pain to occur :(

        Also somewhere in there is another GFC.

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          dariusz

          vote anything but labor. Australian liberty alliance party, but no labor. How is that going to help australia? THey wrecked the country. Shirton is accused of rape, taking bribes and deals that disadvantaged workers, person that believes in GW crap.
          Tell me why you want to vote for him again?

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            llew Jones

            I’m a Union hater from a young age and thus have never voted ALP in my life. Always until now it’s been the Libs. However in retrospect should have had my head read for voting for Fraser.

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        llew Jones

        Not sure if this has been said here but if the number of Lib voters who are saying they will not vote for the Libs while Turnbull leads the party translates into the pre election polls we may see a low forties v high fifties in favour of the ALP while Turnbull is there. On that basis perhaps Abbott could yet get a recall before the next election.

        Noticed on facebook that there are a lot of Abbott lover/Turnbull haters who reject Turnbull for his enthusiasm for taxing ACC and for his support for homosexual marriage. My guess on reading many of the comments is that that rejection does not come from their understanding of the science or in the latter case from a religious perspective but from their innate conservatism.

        Will be fun to see how Turnbull reacts if that sort of negative polling does occur. Who knows, he may become a thorough going skeptic if that does occur.

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      el gordo

      ‘…he’s not the only one who doesn’t believe in CAGW…’

      Okay, we have Dennis Jensen.

      Do you think Talcum will give him a revamped science ministry?

      Anyone else you can think of?

      They will soon be marginalized.

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    pat

    BBC wasn’t alone in claiming more in the headline than the Met itself:

    2015 and 2016 set to break global heat records, says Met Office
    The Guardian-16 hours ago
    Manmade-driven global warming and other factors could make this year and next break heat records

    2015 and 2016 set to break global heat records, Met Office says
    Evening Standard-12 hours ago
    The Earth’s climate is at a “turning point” with 2015 and 2016 likely to be the hottest years on record globally, according to new Met Office research…

    the convenient truth – CAGW is anything and everything:

    14 Sept: UK Telegraph: Emily Gosden: World is warming again, says Met Office – but Britain could see cooler summers
    Pause in global warming could be about to end, yet changes in the Atlantic Ocean could bring colder weather to northern Europe
    “The world is warming again,” Professor Adam Scaife, head of monthly to decadal forecasting at the Met Office, said. “We can’t be sure this is the end of the slowdown, but decadal warming rates are likely to reach late-twentieth century levels within two years.”…
    However, other likely changes to the climate, in the North Atlantic Ocean, could still lead to cooler and drier summers in the UK and northern Europe, scientists said.
    Professor Rowan Sutton of the University of Reading, who peer-reviewed the Met Office’s paper, said natural temperature phases in the North Atlantic Ocean were likely to lead to the sea surface in the region becoming relatively cooler compared with rising temperatures in the rest of the world’s oceans.
    It was also “quite likely” that sea surface temperatures would actually decrease in absolute terms in the region…
    ***He said he thought it was “likely” that “we would see an absolute cooling – actually summers getting cooler than they have been recently” but insisted this was not a “forecast” because other factors – such as rising global surface temperatures – could counteract the impact…
    A cooler North Atlantic could result in some “temporary recovery” in sea-ice in the North Atlantic in the Labrador and possibly Nordic seas, he said.
    “This does not mean we are headed for the next ice age – absolutely not. We are talking about a modest cooling… but it is potentially enough to affect weather patterns in Europe and elsewhere.”…
    Amber Rudd, secretary of state for Energy and Climate Change, said: “Climate change is one of the most serious threats facing our world and that’s why the UK will be pushing for a strong global deal in Paris later this year.”
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/climatechange/11862392/World-is-warming-again-says-Met-Office-but-Britain-could-see-cooler-summers.html

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    el gordo

    ‘Turnbull has one big advantage over Abbott.

    ‘The media and the Twittersphere have been absolutely feral in savaging Abbott, a man awkward in his own defence, but have been kind to Turnbull.’

    Andrew Bolt

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      Dariusz

      This is just the calm before the storm. turncoat was hatred for his accent, his looks, his house, his bank account, being a banker, his wife, his dog. He was always behind in the polls with crazy krud. Never fixed the ABC and you think this will change when he assumes the stewardship of the biggest business, Australia?

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    KinkyKeith

    Jo has summed it up nicely:

    “He can sell us out to the financial houses that want carbon trading, and waste additional billions on renewable energy”.

    The bank’s commission on Carbon Trading is money for jam but there is also big money in building “renewables” just ask The General,

    so Jo the “additional billions” are not wasted they are being gratefully received and put to good use.

    A dismal day; reinforcing the unpleasant aftereffects of the State government behaviour in Newcastle after we went out on a limb to elect a liberal rep. God help us; labour will probably get back in; oops forgot about Tim; he’s already there.

    Newcastle : Nil.

    Liberal Party: $$$$$$$$$$$ resuming the rail line land for development and doubling of height limits on proposed residential developments; a quick quid!

    But we do get front page photos of our cute new premier in his wetsuit.

    KK

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    CONGRATULATION GUYS, FOR BACKSTABBING THE LAST HONEST POLITICIAN,

    Australia will be regretting it, for many decades…!!! You thought that: if you keep repeating your gospel: ”airport heat / sunspots and vineyards in England” – Mark Scott will stop running the country… IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Graham Richards

    The Nationals hold the balance of power now, provided of course Truss has not sold out as well. As Barnaby Joyce has said the Liberals cannot govern without the National party.

    The Coalition deals are done between the party leaders so lets hope that Warren Truss has a big “pair”.

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    tom0mason

    My Condolences Australia

    The way was dark through the politics
    the sly hills loomed so high to climb
    yet freedom’s light at the end of the chasm
    beckoned the weary one on.

    To soon the trail for this minister
    reached a coalblack cleft in rock.
    One last footstep in freedom’s light –
    then grasping hands reached from the bloc.
    The Left now grips you tightly,
    as aged freedoms slips from sight.

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    Richo

    Oh beauty we have Godwin Gretch as PM.

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    Angry

    BYE BYE LIBERAL PARTY !

    BYE BYE DEMOCRACY !

    IF WE WANTED A “LABOR” GOVERNMENT WE WOULD HAVE VOTED FOR GILLARD !@!@##$%$%^$%^&

    WE WILL NEVER EVER VOTE FOR THE LIBERAL PARTY WHILE THIS SCUMBAG LEFTIST TRAITOR TURNCOAT TURNBULL IS LEADER !$#@#%$#$%#$%

    This is all about the Paris gloBULL warming scam meeting !

    UN Climate zealots pushing for Turnbull to replace Abbott:-
    http://truebluenz.com/2015/02/10/un-climate-zealots-pushing-for-turnbull-to-replace-abbott/

    Malcolm’s Motive: His ETS Lie Unravelled:-
    http://barnabyisright.com/2011/05/24/malcolms-motive-his-ets-lie-unravelled/

    Malcolm Turnbull – The Goldman-churian Candidate?
    http://barnabyisright.com/2011/07/20/malcolm-turnbull-the-goldman-churian-candidate/

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    DavidH

    I’ve just contacted the Liberal Party asking them to stop taking my monthly donation (a pittance really but I’m not giving it to Malcolm T).

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    Angry

    We need to start a campaign ASAP to remove this traitor TURNCOAT TURNBULL.

    If he and his mates can oust the democratically elected PM then it can also be done to him !

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    Martin

    Why this happened: ABC – and the government’s failure to fix the problem.
    Let’s see.. who was the Communications Minister?
    And he apppointed to that role by whom?

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      PeterS

      Obviously Turnbull and his cohorts were planning the coup for some time. That’s one reason why he let the ABC become so viral on Abbott. He wanted the ABC to carry out most of his dirty work. Turnbull is a traitor to all the Liberal voters.

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    pat

    14 Sept: RTCC: Megan Darby: Australia PM Tony Abbott ousted by Malcolm Turnbull
    After a dramatic vote, leadership change is expected to bring more progressive stance on climate and carbon pricing
    Richard Denniss, chief economist at think-tank the Australia Institute, told RTCC: “It’s great news. There is no political leader in Australia who is less interested in tackling climate change than Tony Abbott.
    “Any change of the Liberal leadership is good, not just for Australia’s climate policy but for the world’s collective attempts to tackle climate change.” …

    ***TWEET by Seb Henbest:
    And he still believes it — my guess is he will go into a 2016 election with a carbon price policy.

    Despite a falling coal price and climate concerns, Abbott has championed new coal mines as a cornerstone of his economic strategy.
    That has included a willingness to subsidise infrastructure for planned mines in Queensland’s Galilee Basin.
    The Australia Institute’s Denniss said Turnbull would be unlikely to offer the same political and financial support.“Malcolm Turnbull’s comments about the economy can be interpreted as a rebuke to Tony Abbott’s obsession with the coal industry,” he said.
    http://www.rtcc.org/2015/09/14/australia-leadership-challenge-offers-hope-for-climate/

    ***so who is Seb Henbest? according to his Twitter page: “Bloomberg New Energy Finance – Head of EMEA. Formerly Head of Carbon and Clean Energy Research in Australia. Energy-Climate-Astro-Politics”. check out the TWEETS!

    https://twitter.com/SebHenbest?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

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    pat

    Clean Energy Business Council: Board Member: Seb Henbest
    Seb has recently been appointed as Head of Europe for Bloomberg New Energy Finance.
    In his previous role as Head of BNEF’s Cross Sector Initiative he was responsible for coordinating research output on renewable energy, carbon markets, energy smart technologies, power markets and traditional energy to help develop a long-term integrated vision of the evolution of the energy sector.
    Before that Seb was Manager and Head of Research for Bloomberg New Energy Finance in Australia, having established the firm’s Australian clean energy and carbon market analysis business in 2009.
    Seb has written extensively on carbon market and clean energy economics and policy and presents regularly at industry conferences and events. He is quoted widely in print media and has appeared as an expert commentator on the ABC, Sky News, ABC Radio, and Bloomberg TV.
    Before joining Bloomberg New Energy Finance in 2008, Seb worked with research consultancy FreshMinds, activist firm Hanover Investors Management and taught maths and physics at the Centre for Dynamical Meteorology and Oceanography at Monash University.
    Seb has an academic background in theoretical and atmospheric physics, holding a BSc from Adelaide University and an MSc from Monash. He has also spent time at Cambridge University where he completed an MPhil in International Relations, specialising in emissions trading and environmental markets.
    http://www.cleanenergybusinesscouncil.com/board/seb-henbest

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    David Maddison

    I expect a lot of disillusioned Libs will be voting for the Australian Liberty Alliance who will remove all subsidies from the unsustaiables where legally possible and will also have policies concerning immigration of people that follow a certain expansionist political ideology.

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    pat

    fine, but spend your own money on “low-carbon” technologies if u believe in CAGW:

    14 Sept: UK Telegraph: Szu Ping Chan: Government is shooting itself in the foot with array of green taxes, says EEF
    Britain’s myriad of green levies is harming competitiveness while failing to drive up investment, warns manufacturing group EEF
    In a major report, the industry body said a “decade of tinkering” had left businesses strangled by red tape and energy bills that were much higher than those faced by European competitors.
    The manufacturers’ organisation said tax breaks and not tax hikes were the only way to keep Britain at the forefront of innovation while lowering emissions.
    Paul Raynes, the EEF’s director of policy said: “The current system of energy taxation is too complex and is hurting Britain’s competitiveness. So instead of simply hitting firms with the big stick of ever-higher carbon taxes and levies, we should be offering them the carrot of tax breaks to invest in advanced low carbon technologies.”…
    The EEF, which represents more than 20,000 companies, is calling on the Government to reduce the overall burden of energy taxation by the end of this parliament. It also wants policymakers to scrap the carbon floor price, which doubled to £18.08 per tonne of CO2 this year…
    The EEF estimated the levy would cost consumers £23bn between 2013 and 2020. However, it said just £6.5bn of this would feed through to investment in renewables.
    The EEF also called on the Government to scrap the “overly-complex” Carbon Reduction Commitment (CRC), an energy efficiency scheme that it said would cost businesses £900m this year alone but translate into just £334m of investment over the next decade…
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/11862119/Government-is-shooting-itself-in-the-foot-with-array-of-green-taxes.html

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    Rico L

    Anyone selling a cheap diesel generator? Time for a backup plan (no pun intended). My cat seemed quite interested in the ABC last night, perhaps he is planning to run for PM too.

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    David Maddison

    Wasn’t Turd-ball behind the banning of incandescent like globes and didn’t he support carbon trading?

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    PeterS

    As Thatcher once said, the government of the day should not be too concerned about the opposition sitting on the other side but more concerned about the opposition behind the leader. Turnbull has proven this to be so true. He IMHO is a traitor to the supporters of the LNP. I hope I’m wrong but I doubt they will win the next election as they will certainly have lost a lot of support. Turnbull is hated by so many Liberal supporters. In fact so many made the comment he is very much like Rudd. In some ways he’s worse due to his background as a managing director and a partner of Goldman Sachs. Rudd was just a simple minded twit. Abbott is such a decent man but then I know this world hates decent men like him as he’s too good, too boring and too nice. Today the media and most people prefer other types of leaders. This says lots about our society and how it has declined in moral and ethical standards over time. I hate to think where we will be in decades to come. Sodom and Gomorrah come to mind. Good luck Australia, you we will need it over the coming years. But then again this is not an isolated thing – it’s a world-wide thing and there’s nothing we can do to stop it, much like trying to stop climate change. We just have to do our best to handle the coming storm.

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    jim west

    I hate to inject a note of optimism here, but I’d like to draw everyone’s attention to the emphasis Julie Bishop put on owning the Menzies legacy, and key phrases that Turnbull has been uttering immediately before AND after his challenge e.g.:

    “….. Our values of free enterprise of individual initiative, of freedom; this is what you need to be a successful, agile economy in 2015…”, and

    “It will be a thoroughly Liberal government committed to freedom, the individual and the market.”

    Given the way that Abbott dogged it on 18C, Turnbull’s commitment to free speech at least is likely to be more durable that Abbott’s, while you can be sure that the party room extracted firm commitments that the carbon tax remains dead as a condition of the take over.

    Most importantly, Turnbull will shred Labor, especially if they keep Shorten (watching that particular slaughter alone will perhaps be worth the change).

    The fact that Abbott couldn’t lay a hand on Clueless Bill meant that there was really no hope of winning the next election if he remained. Yes, the degree of ABC and Fairfax bias was scandalous, but that’s a given, and News was generally squarely in Abbott’s corner. Indeed, Abbott’s election night promise to protect the ABC’s funding, and his subsequent failure to make that one of the many promises he (understandably) ditched, shows he lacked the judgement to continue in the position. He could have sold it off six months into the job, and all would be forgiven by now (except by the Abbott haters, who he could never have placated, yet whom he foolishly continued to treat with kid gloves right to the end).

    Turnbull has what it takes to keep Labor out, and that in itself is half the job.

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      Angry

      “jim west”,
      turncoat turnbull is of the LEFT.
      He will make a terrific LABOR PARTY PRIME MINISTER !!!!!

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      GrahamP

      jim

      I was going to post a similar comment. Abbott was inept and seemed to be on track to lose the next election.

      I suggest everybody “take a Bex and have a good lie down”. Instead of prejudging the new leader sit back and then judge him on his performance at the next election.

      I wish Mr Turnbull well and if he can keep Labor/Greens in opposition, by appealing to the middle of the road swinging voter, then in my mind he will have done his job.

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      Glen Michel

      Fair enough Jim !Abbott wimped it on 18c I had my misgivings about him when he failed to refute the “misogyny” bull thrown at him.Knighthoods were an embarrassment plus his tardiness in Bishops chopper fiasco. It remains to be seen if the “right” of the Libs and Nats can keep Turnbulls leftist tendencies in check.There be much murmuring in the ranks…..

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      EyesWideOpen

      Your optimism is misplaced.

      The whole of the last 5 years of political disaster have been based on one single globalist issue … CARBON TRADING … they don’t want a tax, they want control over the PRICE of CHEAP ENERGY, and the ability to micro-manage every human activity.

      Not one other issue has really had anything to do with the last 5 years of circus, just this one issue, plain and simple. It’s been Rupert Murdoch versus the ecoloons plain and simple. The fascist loons just won! Turnbull has already said enough times that he could not live with himself if he did not vigorously fight ‘climate change’.

      The ‘party’ has no say on this issue, because the left wing takeover of the Libs just occurred, so in PARIS 2015 Turbull will show you what the word ‘freedom’ means, and it means: FREEDOM TO BUY YOUR CARBON INDULGENCES FROM WHATEVER CARBON TRADING BOURSE YOU LIKE; LONDON OR NEW YORK, FREEDOM OF CHOICE IS ENTIRELY YOURS!

      Please understand that you just witnessed the Carbon Coup, and it was also on the Jewish New Year interestingly enough (just something I found a little strange, maybe a flip of the bird to Rupert Murdoch???).

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    John Watt

    So here we go again. The political class keeping us amused with their egocentric antics. Another year another PM. Turnbull let the cat out of the bag when he said the opinion polls told him to sharpen the knife. Let’s get rid of the political class and their ”parties”. Turn the opinion polls into decision polls and use 21st century communication technology to enable all interested citizens to have a real say in how the country is run. Using “representative” democracy as a substitute for real democracy is failing to serve Australia well. Policies need to be in the news not politicians.

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    GregS

    In my life (and for all Australians under 65) there are 12 people who have been PM (13 times), the list is:

    - Menzies – Retired
    - Holt – Died
    - Gorton – Replaced
    - McMahon – Lost Election
    - Whitlam – Dismissed
    - Fraser – Lost Election
    - Hawke – Replaced
    - Keating – Lost Election
    - Howard – Lost Election
    - Rudd – Replaced
    - Gillard – Replaced
    - Rudd – Lost Election
    - Abbott – Replaced

    So the summary therefore is:

    - Retired: 1 (Menzies)
    - Died: 1 (Holt)
    - Dismissed: 1 (Whitlam)
    - Replaced: 5 (Gorton, Hawke, Rudd, Gillard, Abbott)
    - Lost Election: 5 (McMahon, Fraser, Keating, Howard, Rudd)

    In short then 1 retired because he was sick of the job, 1 died before we could get sick of him enough to get rid of him, 1 was dismissed because the Governor-General was sick of him, 5 were replaced because their colleagues were sick of them and finally 5 lost elections because the country was sick of them.

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      ianl8888

      Pretty much :) :)

      But I’d make the simple point that Menzies was actually there for so long that people now in their 70′s and 80′s remember him as PM

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      PeterS

      Unlike the Americans, at least none of them here were assassinated. Still, I wonder now if we actually need elections. We can just rely on the regular polls and switch PMs on a yearly basis. No political system is perfect or even close to ideal, but lately our version has deteriorated down to third-world status. We should have a rule that says if an elected PM is replaced by a party coup and the new leader loses the next election, that new leader should resign from the party forever and loses all financial privileges. That way the incentive is to make sure they win the support of the public to compensate for the cowardly act.

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    Oksanna

    Two thoughts, one short, one long.
    First, give her time and Julie Bishop will devour Malcolm Turnbull.
    Second, the logic behind the (now succesful) challenge:
    a. No challenge, win in Canning: Tony wins, Malcolm loses.
    b. No challenge, loss in Canning, unlikely.
    c. Challenge now, loss in Canning, Malcolm wins, blame Tony?
    c. Challenge now, win in Canning, Malcolm wins, take credit?
    Also, challenge now, with attack on Abbott’s leadership, forces other Libs to support Malcolm, as it dooms both the by-election and the government under Abbott. So, Tony gets one between the shoulder-blades, and the rest of the lib govt provide support at knifepoint, metaphorically speaking. Its akin to a hijacking, so let the Stockholm syndrome begin.

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    David Maddison

    Who or what got to the Coalition that made them so dramatically change their support for Abbott? See video at https://youtu.be/NG0WcjGHkEw and Manfred’s comments on it above.

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    Angry

    ELECTION NOW !!!!!!!!!

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    Martin

    If, as Murdoch declared, Australia was ungovernable yesterday, then today it’s even more ungovernable.

    Japanese proverb: Despair brings opportunity. The coalition is now little more than a name, having degenerated into oil and water. Traditionalists in the coalition should bifurcate from the rest by forming a much needed new party, with traditional values that they are willing to stand up for. If so, they will become a much sought alternative in the snap poll forced by their departure.

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    David Maddison

    All the climate catastrophists are calling their ABC-RN now saying how Turnbull will save the planet with his climate policies blah, blah, blah…

    I wonder how many seconds of Bayswater power production was saved in the expensive and inconvenient switch from incan light globes caused by Turnbull?

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    Angry

    Looks like we will have to start up the NO CARBON TAX campaign again !!!!!!

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    pat

    a single tweet can be written up by the MSM as causing OUTRAGE.

    PHONE LINES ARE BURNING UP ON TALK SHOW RADIO SINCE LAST NITE, CONDEMNING TURNBULL, BISHOP & THE LIBERALS AND SUPPORTING PM ABBOTT, YET I JUST HEAD THE RADIO NEWS HEADLINES AND THERE’S NOT A PEEP ABOUT IT.

    Add Christopher Pyne and George Brsndis to those who voted for Turnbull.

    greenies are happy!

    14 Sept: Business Green: Madeleine Cuff: Speculation mounts over future of Australian climate strategy as Tony Abbott ousted by Malcolm Turnbull
    Australian Prime Minister knocked from the top job in a surprise leadership challenge that green groups will hope spells good news for global climate change efforts
    The news is likely to be welcomed by climate change activists. Turnbull is widely regarded as a more moderate politician than his predecessor and is expected to pursue more progressive environmental policies.
    In contrast, Tony Abbott has been widely criticized by politicians, campaigners and climate scientists for his opposition to taking stronger action to tackle global warming…
    http://www.businessgreen.com/bg/news/2425850/speculation-mounts-over-future-of-australian-climate-strategy-as-tony-abbott-ousted-by-malcolm-turnbull

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    Ross

    Angry and co.

    If you had an election now wouldn’t Labour win ? I’m a Kiwi but from what I’m reading (not just this site) there are a large number of Liberal voters who are very upset so if there was an election in the near future who would they vote for ? I can easily see a new centre right party developing in Australia, but that would take time.

    Clearly there are a lot of factions with parties in Australia on both sides of the fence, so it just shows how clever Howard was as a politician.

    As Andy says above, the next polls will be interesting.

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    pat

    saw this elsewhere from The Australian’s Dennis Shanahan today:

    “Liberal Party polling [in Canning] was much better than the published polls and was suggesting a Liberal lead of 54 per cent to 46 per cent.”

    now u tell us, Dennis!

    what will be fascinating is how the next political polls will be manipulated. surely, to keep the narrative going that Turnbull is popular, they are going to have to suggest Turnbull has narrowed the gap between Labor & the Liberals.

    no hint of public outrage on ABC’s website.

    ABC “hits the streets”, but has two Wentworth residents at the top, I kid u not. a single quote from someone who is angry at Turnbull:

    15 Sept: ABC: Malcolm Turnbull: Australians react to leadership coup
    In the aftermath of the Liberal leadership spill, the ABC hit the streets to find out how you felt about Malcolm Turnbull’s rise to the top and Tony Abbott’s exit
    “I think Malcolm Turnbull is the right man for the job. I always see him walking around the electorate, talking to people”
    George Murrell, Wentworth resident
    “I think Malcolm Turnbull will be a better prime minister than Tony Abbott. It’s not my side of politics, but it’s a better choice. Mr Abbott had to go. He’s lost all support from the Australian people. I really hope we see a change for the good.”
    Therese, Wentworth resident
    “I’m not really into politics much, but if he’s better than Tony Abbott, bring him on.
    “I saw it on the news stand out there outside the shop. There’s not many people out there that like Tony Abbott; I don’t like him.”
    Raymond, maintenance worker from Melbourne
    “I feel he might struggle convincing the party room to address climate change. He’s the right guy for the top job; it’s been a long time coming… The opinion polls show overwhelming support for Malcolm Turnbull. He has a strong economic mind, but also a firm believer in doing more on climate change.”
    Michael Reynolds, Sydney resident
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-15/malcolm-turnbulls-leadership-coup-australians-share-reactions/6776202

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    Hey people yes this is all about the Paris COP betrayal Lord Christopher Monkton exposed this back in his Australian October 2014 Speech, Those who think this is just about Turnbull are as stupid as the Useful Idiot himself.

    However if we can persuade the 44 Liberals who backed Tony Abbott to resign the Liberals and join the nationals that would give the nationals 60 seats in the lower House as opposed to the now neutered Liberals only having 55 and no doubt some of them would wake up and walk as well.

    That would mean Turnbull could no longer remain Prime Minister even in a Coalition and we could head off the Paris Betrayal.

    It means we need to push those Liberals who Supported Abbott and push the Nats to make it happen but it will result in once more having a legitimate Conservative Political party with some clout in Australia instead of having wall to wall Left Wingers

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      Stephen, in an ideal world – that’s exactly what would have being happening, you have mu full support; unfortunately – Mark Scot & Flannery made all the decisions, what to happen or not to happen in Australia.

      In ABC&SBS all personal 100% are lefties, was Turnbull’s wish; he will be making same arrangements for every institution – judiciary, academia, CSIRO, military and Federal police, all important position / nobody employed from right side of politics, discrimination against heterosexuals… You ”skeptic guys were always believing that: -” as in football match, if the Warmist win this time, we’ll win next time” WRONG, WRONG: for them the phony global warming is their ”western October Revolution” YOU guys got the last big nail on your coffin… R.I.P.

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    thingadonta

    There is a problem in Australian politics when the media can undermine governments including manufacturing statistics behind polls and then use these to oust elected leaders. It seems to be a media driven coup.

    The Australian media seems to have gotten out of control, although I’m not sure how or why this is the case.

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    FLANNEREY(sic) FORGIVES THE POOR FELLOW!

    15 Sept: ABC AM: Lobbyists hopeful that Turnbull’s moderate views will colour policy
    ANGELA LAVOIPIERRE: It was Malcolm Turnbull’s position on climate change that cost him the party leadership six years ago.
    Last night, when the matter inevitably came up, Mr Turnbull took the moment to express strong support for the Government’s current policy.
    Speaking a short time later Professor Tim Flannery from the Climate Council was disappointed, but ***forgiving.
    TIM FLANNERERY (sic): Well look the ***poor fellow’s been only elected what, for an hour. It’s a bit hard to judge him. But I do think there is a case for Australia to increase its ambitions in terms of a target.
    The independent authority that was asked to suggest targets has suggested that we have a higher target.
    ANGELA LAVOIPIERRE: Professor Flannery believes there is some wriggle room – particularly around the renewable energy targets.
    TIM FLANNERERY: There clearly has been support for a renewable energy target of 41,000 megawatts in the Liberal Party after five electoral cycles. That’s failed recently, but hopefully it’s not too much of a stretch to see that support reinstated…
    http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2015/s4312539.htm

    15 Sept: ABC Breakfast: How to Change the World: the story of Greenpeace
    How to Change the World is a documentary screening this week in Australia that tells the story of Greenpeace.

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    Now bear with me for a few minutes.

    Does Turnbull know something?

    Note from the press conference late last night when asked about Global Warming, Julie Bishop cut in and said that the targets they (Australia) are taking to Paris remain unchanged.

    She cut Turnbull off from answering. It was an innocuous enough reply. But probably carefully misleading. Note there was no response that we will now be agreeing to any resolution which comes out of Paris, probably something that an Abbott led Government might not have agreed to sign.

    Go back to Copenhagen and that agreement. All talk of actual emissions reduction ceased, and it became an ephemeral 2 degree limit. They once did actually think that they could control emissions reduction, and dumped that because, well, everyone in the Non Developed World just ignored it, and that was actually enshrined in the original Kyoto Protocol, that they could do whatever they wished, and so they did, China especially. The only control they did have, the actual main prize, was always the source of their income, an ETS imposed upon those few already Developed Countries, something Rudd signed Australia up to and Abbott dumped.

    Scroll forward to now, with Paris looming. The talk will again be of that ephemeral 2 degrees, something over which they have absolutely no control. While this will be the loudest end proclamation, the main aim is an ETS ….. everywhere, the source of their income, and that will just quietly be discussed in the background for agreement.

    Those still developing Countries will also sign up to any agreement. Australia was problematic under Abbott.

    Enter Turnbull, and Julie Bishop cutting him off with the diversionary response.

    Does Turnbull actually know what the end result will be if that ETS gets into place on a Worldwide basis.

    Think now of the recent news that Asian countries have in train plans for a new 672GW (Nameplate) for coal fired power. Note how these Countries couldn’t give a hoot for what the UNFCCC once said about emissions reduction.

    That new 672GW is a new added 5.8 Billion tons of CO2 EACH YEAR. Even with the Carbon Price as low as $5 per ton, that’s an income of almost $30 Billion a year, on top of what is already being emitted.

    Now, what entrepreneurial ex bankster wouldn’t want even the tiniest access to part of that.

    Paris is the end plan, and we can take our existing policy there, but now, there’s a greater chance we will be signed up to whatever comes out of it.

    The 2 degree thing is for the masses. The money is the main aim, and it always was.

    Also, with that 672GW of new coal fired power, Australian coal mining has a relatively assured future.

    Tony.

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      The 2 degree thing is for the masses. The money is the main aim, and it always was.

      VERITAS!

      Al Gore doesn’t have one Carbon Trading and Green Investment entity incorporated in the City of London, and another incorporated on the Isle of Jersey because he’s banking his profit in the former. This will be the largest wealth transfer from the middle class and poor to the super filthy rich in the history of mankind, and the Proles are yelping for ‘Climate Action Now’.

      Socialists begging to be raped by super monopoly capitalist fascists … kind of like the opposite of that famous quote by Lenin that if you give enough rope to a Capitalist they will hang themselves … Goldman Sachs et al gets the last laugh – suck on that Lenin!

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    pat

    never seen a special page like this for ABC’s Life Matters:

    15 Sept: ABC Life Matters: Your say: Malcolm Turnbull’s first day as PM
    Below, Life Matters listeners share their responses and hopes for the new prime minister’s agenda…
    ‘I’m very pleased. I want Malcolm to protect our environment, including the Great Barrier Reef and Tasmanian forests. I want him to take action on climate change and end our reliance on dirty coal.”
    (Jenny, Nowra)
    ‘It’s going to be an enormous relief not to be ashamed to be an Australian. I’d like to see Malcolm Turnbull adopt a more compassionate attitude to asylum seekers and close offshore detention centres. He seems to accept the reality of climate change. I’d like to see him make Australia accept its responsibilities to the world.’
    (Lily, Bruny Island)
    ‘I think with Malcolm Turnbull, although he talks the talk, we’re going to get more of the same, and the same that we’re getting from Bill Shorten. They talk about the future … if they don’t do something realistic about climate change, there isn’t a future for the economy or for anything…”
    (Frank, Tasmania)
    “We can’t forget the environment, because it’s our world. It isn’t a left or right or conservative or Labor issue; it’s actually a world and future generations issue.”
    (Sue, North Sydney)
    http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/lifematters/malcolm-turnbulls-first-day-as-pm/6776556

    ABC Life Matters then has a separate page for today’s program – no surprise what the topic is:

    15 Sept: ABC Life Matters: And BOOM! We have a new Prime Minister

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    Retired now

    I have been despairing since I got the news.

    But then I thought there is just the possibility that a centre left PM might just be able to go the right to keep his caucus happy and his position secure. Not probable given its the turncoat but its the only way I can keep hope for my future here.

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    Ross

    Just reading Andrew Bolt’s blog especially the comments. It seems that Turnbull has a huge problem on his hands —just keeping the Liberal party in one piece.

    One comment was interesting. It said something like –Abbott should take his supporters to the Nationals. Is this a quick way to form a new centre right party in Australian politics ?

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    pat

    cheap and nasty:

    15 Sept: Age: Quiz: How well do you know your Tony Abbott gaffes?
    http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/how-well-do-you-know-your-tony-abbott-gaffes-20150914-gjmp1m.html?utm_campaign=echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#link_time=1442276662

    at BBC, not a sign of a reaction from a Liberal or Abbott supporter:

    14 Sept: BBC: Tony Abbott #PutYourOnionsOut: How the internet reacted
    Following the news that Australia Prime Minister Tony Abbott has been ousted by Malcolm Turnbull, we round up the best internet reactions…
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-34244573

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    crakar24

    sent this to Briggs

    Hello Jamie,

    I am one of your constituents in fact i voted for you at the last election, the primary reason for you receiving my vote was because the Labor party were behaving like petulant children i did not think i would see the day when the Liberal party would behave the same way but yet that day has sadly arrived.

    5 prime ministers in 5 years……this is the behaviour you expect from some fledgling democratic third world country as they transition from decades of dictatorships to democratic freedoms. The Liberal party have now become as bigger a joke as the Labor party, neither of you will receive my vote at the next election and i hope Labor win the Canning by election in a land slide and Liberal party stocks take a nose dive. Forcing the party to re evaluate their position and contemplate bringing Tony back as a last ditch effort to save a few seats at the next election.

    Do not send me any of your election paraphernalia as i don’t like to receive junk mail

    Regards

    Craig Buchanan

    Got his standard auto reply dont expect anything more

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    Economy is doing good, BUT: Mark Scott & Tim Flannery needed TURNCOAT TURNBULL, for Paris Conference, they get what they want.

    Australia from now will be modeled on ABC, which was under Turnbull’s control, now he is giving the rest of the country to Flannery&Skott..

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    pat

    ALERT!!!!!

    I can’t verify everything in the following, but is is a MUST-READ, with a promise at the bottom of More to Come…
    note: it’s extremely lengthy:

    some might light to share the link:

    Why Turnbull is a Labor Stooge
    http://stopturnbull.com/

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      Ross

      Thank you Pat.

      Interesting read and the next few months are going to interesting for Australia. We’ll see what colours Turnbull flies.

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      Annie

      I’ve managed only about a quarter of it so far. Very thought provoking.

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      ianl8888

      No, Turnbull is not a Labor stooge any longer. He’s long evolved into a quite scary narcissist – by scary, I mean he’s unpredictable and vindinctive

      Rudd was scary for exactly the same reason

      Gillard was not scary, although full of “hyperbowl”, because she was predictable enough

      Oh dear, the type of person who obsessively pursues power without remorse or self-understanding … the damage they do

      Your linked article is interesting in that it provides references to give credibility to its’ thesis

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        Dave

        .

        Agree Ian,

        But this is just about the political animal called Malcolm Turnbull!
        His past dealings in the Pacific along with Ross Garnaut is legendary in terms of environmental damage!

        Turnbulls companies Integrated Forest Industries, Rural Industries, Silvania Products and Isabel Timber Co raped over 140,000 cubic meters out of an Island Vangunu and ruined a lagoon called Marova Lagoon!

        He made approximately $25 million in his short stint as shareholder for about 1 year of Axiom.

        AusAid Reports still have not been fully released!

        Suppose they’ll disappear now?

        And Ross Garnauts record is the worst of any Australian in regard to environmental damage!

        Yet both blame CO2 for the end of the world?

        It’s all about the money with these two vandals

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      Angry

      Pat,
      That is a terrific insight into the background of this turncoat turnbull.

      He is a truely evil individual.

      I sent the website to my many contacts !!

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    pat

    as with the MSM’s Met Office headline exaggerations, doesn’t Vanessa’s headline below suggest stocks are winning today! note opening line says “should enjoy” though!

    15 Sept 12.23pm: SMH: Vanessa Desloires: Malcolm Turnbull a win for retail, technology and media stocks
    Investors in technology, media and retail companies should enjoy a boost in their share prices as Malcolm Turnbull settles into his new role as Prime Minister…
    ***Australian Ethical Investments chief investment officer David Macri said in the medium term, ‘green’ stocks and sectors, such as renewable energy, should benefit…
    ***International pressure would ensure Mr Turnbull revisits his stance on clean energy despite saying environment minister Greg Hunt had done a “great job” with the government’s direct action policy.
    “Turnbull will have his work cut out for him, but ultimately it is good policy, and with international pressure it is largely inevitable,” Mr Macri said.
    http://www.smh.com.au/business/markets/malcolm-turnbull-a-win-for-retail-technology-and-media-stocks-20150914-gjmnnw.html

    reality:

    ASX 15 September
    Down 77.80 points at time of posting
    http://www.msn.com/en-au/money/indexdetails/fi-146.10.XJO?ocid=INSFIST10

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    Adam Smith

    Funniest thread ever! Thank you all very much!
    [Glad you found it amusing] Fly

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    Sinoman

    Not now, not ever my PM.
    Despite the imaginings of some.
    A win for none bar Malcolm.

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    el gordo

    ‘It was clearly evident that the 2030 emission reduction target meant nothing to Abbott and his closest supporters, it was a platitude. It was something they had to announce in order to get through a diplomatic and political bind created by the Paris climate conference in December, after which it could be ignored as being too distant into the future to necessitate immediate policy changes.

    ‘The same will not be the case for Turnbull.’

    Tristan Edis / The Australian Business Review

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    el gordo

    ‘More recently, there have been three occasions when pollsters have gauged personal ratings for Turnbull. In January 2014, UMR Research respectively had his approval at 42% and disapproval at 30%. Essential Research recorded 44% approval and 31% disapproval in June 2014, which improved to 47% and 24% last month.’

    William Bowe / The Poll Bludger at Crikey

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    David Maddison

    Sorry for reposting but I hope everyone watches this. It will put last night’s coup into perspective:

    Who or what got to the Coalition that made them so dramatically change their support for Abbott? See video at https://youtu.be/NG0WcjGHkEw and Manfred’s comments on it above.

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    handjive

    Wait! What?

    It was hotter “Back in 2008, the morning when Mr Turnbull ousted Brendan Nelson as Liberal leader on a narrow 45-41 vote, the minimum was an even milder 16.9 degrees.

    (last night) Sydney’s minimum overnight temperature had earlier dropped to a mild 15.8 degrees.

    “That’s the warmest September 15 minimum since the day before Malcolm Turnbull became leader the first time around” in 2008, Mr Sharpe said.”
    . . .
    That includes the “Angry Summer” and “the hottest year evah.”

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    Geoff Sherrington

    In question time today, 15/09/2015, the new Prime Minister said words about climate change to this effect:

    The package I shall be taking to Paris is the one that the Environment Minister has worked hard to put together.
    It (direct action plan)works, is working now and is reducing Australia’s emissions for very little cost.
    It might be different to the plans that other countries have devised.
    We are not working with ideology, we are working with a practical plan that is proven because it is working now, even better than designed.

    (This from my memory. Those better equipped might like to spend a little time to get an exact transcription.)

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      handjive

      If taking money under false pretences is the KPI, indeed it is working …

      ABC: Western Australian company receives gold standard certification for carbon emissions reduction

      “Our carbon credits we believe have more value in terms of other direct benefits, you still have the central objective of storing carbon for a hundred years but there are a lot of direct benefits that go with our project,” he said.
      . . .
      Stores carbon(sic) for 100 years?

      We’re saved!

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        handjive

        Doing the Maths …

        ABC: Western Australian company receives gold standard certification for carbon emissions reduction

        “Our carbon credits we believe have more value in terms of other direct benefits, you still have the central objective of storing carbon for a hundred years but there are a lot of direct benefits that go with our project,” he said.
        ~ ~ ~
        Pep Canadell, Executive director, Global Carbon Project at CSIRO, @theconversation, sept 11, 2015, quote:

        “A return flight from Sydney to Perth per-person emits about one tonne of CO2, of which 400 kg will still remain in the atmosphere after 100 years, and about 200 kg will still be airborne in 1,000 years.”
        ~ ~ ~
        To carbonneutral.com, faqs

        5. HOW DO YOU MEASURE CARBON STORED IN TREE PLANTINGS?
        Trees remove carbon dioxide from the atmosphere through photosynthesis and store the carbon in their leaves, branches, stems, bark and roots. Approximately half the dry weight of a tree’s biomass is carbon. One tonne of C = 3.67 tonnes of ‘carbon dioxide equivalent’ (CO2-e).

        (7.) Measuring trees per tonne CO2 is therefore highly variable.

        As a rule of thumb, however, we currently adopt 7 trees per tonne as a conservative estimate, though this may vary from 4 to 15 depending on the site, terrain and rainfall.
        ~ ~ ~
        To their carbon(sic) calculator …short haul, business class
        ~ ~ ~
        Now, go to their testimonials, where you can video yourself flying to where the trees are planted (in WA), and post it on the website!

        Do the maths …

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      Ross

      Geoff

      I think the best Australia can hope for in the short term is Turnbull is held to what he said and doesn’t go any further. But that will be the test for him because it seems from what I’ve read there are huge hopes or beliefs from the AGW clan they have got their man in charge.

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      Angry

      Vote for turncoat turnbull at the next election and get an ETS.

      That is for certain.

      Never forget the gillard experience !

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    pat

    Marc Morano has this as his top story – truly disgusting stuff:

    12 Sept: NYT Sunday Review: The Next Genocide
    (by Timothy Snyder, a professor of history at Yale University and the author of “Black Earth: The Holocaust as History and Warning.”)
    The Holocaust may seem a distant horror whose lessons have already been learned. But sadly, the anxieties of our own era could once again give rise to scapegoats and imagined enemies, while contemporary environmental stresses could encourage new variations on Hitler’s ideas, especially in countries anxious about feeding their growing populations or maintaining a rising standard of living…
    ***The quest for German domination was premised on the denial of science…
    Climate change threatens to provoke a new ecological panic. So far, poor people in Africa and the Middle East have borne the brunt of the suffering…
    Climate change has also brought uncertainties about food supply back to the center of great power politics.
    China today, like Germany before the war, is an industrial power incapable of feeding its population from its own territory, and is thus dependent on unpredictable international markets.
    This could make China’s population susceptible to a revival of ideas like Lebensraum…
    By polluting the atmosphere with greenhouse gases, the United States has done more than any other nation to bring about the next ecological panic, yet it is the only country where climate science is still resisted by certain political and business elites. These deniers tend to present the empirical findings of scientists as a conspiracy and question the validity of science — an intellectual stance that is uncomfortably close to Hitler’s…
    THE European Union, by contrast, takes global warming very seriously, but its existence is under threat. As Africa and the Middle East continue to warm and wars rage, economic migrants and war refugees are making perilous journeys to flee to Europe…
    Today we confront the same crucial choice between science and ideology that Germans once faced. Will we accept empirical evidence and support new energy technologies, or allow a wave of ecological panic to spread across the world?
    Denying science imperils the future by summoning the ghosts of the past.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/13/opinion/sunday/the-next-genocide.html?emc=eta1&_r=0

    NYT is not the only media pushing this. there’s the following plus more:

    Could Climate Change Cause Another Holocaust?
    New Republic · 13 hours ago

    Climate Apocalypse and/or Democracy
    The Huffington Post · 16 hours ago

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    Angry

    I for one want to see a list of the traitors that voted for turncoat turnbull !

    I’m certain that many many other people would be very interested also.

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    pat

    MSM around the world are reporting Turnbull won in a “snap election”, amongst other fanciful stories:

    VIDEO/TRANSCRIPT: 14 Sept: Democracy Now: Conservative Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott Ousted by His Own Party
    In Australia, conservative Prime Minister Tony Abbott has been ousted during ***snap elections called for by his own Liberal Party. Public opinion of Tony Abbott had reached a record low amid controversial decisions to roll back climate change legislation, oppose same-sex marriage and turn back boats carrying refugees…
    For more, we speak with Tariq Ali, historian, activist and editor of the New Left Review…
    TARIQ ALI: I have. I spent a month there speaking in different parts of the country, Amy. And it won’t surprise you to know that wherever I went, I denounced Abbott, not just as a politician, but as a joke figure. I mean, some of the things Abbott has been saying are that the Third Reich and Hitler were better than ISIS. I mean, you know, this sort of stuff doesn’t go down well anywhere. His allies were shocked, and many people in his conservative party were shocked, too. So it was obvious that his time had come. He was extremely unpopular. And all the opinion polls were showing that he would have been defeated in the next elections. So I think the Liberals, who are conservatives, have decided to do the clever thing and replace him with Turnbull.
    What is known about Turnbull is that he is much better on many questions…
    And I don’t want to create any illusions. He’s just more intelligent, a better conservative leader for the Liberal Party. Labor’s leader, of course, is a classic example of the extreme center, Bill Shorten. He’s very unimpressive, has very little to say. So I think that the conservatives thought that Turnbull would be much better placed to take him on, rather than Abbott. ***And many Australians will be celebrating…
    http://www.democracynow.org/2015/9/14/conservative_australian_prime_minister_tony_abbott

    another example:

    Bloomberg video: Surprise in Australia as Turnbull Wins ***Snap Election
    Bloomberg’s Iain McDonald reports on “Bloomberg Surveillance.”

    a possible real “snap election”!

    15 Sept: UK Daily Mail: Labor ‘eyeing possible snap election’ after a dramatic day in Australian politics sees Malcolm Turnbull replace Tony Abbott as Prime Minister
    By Leith Huffadine
    Some (Labor MPs) expected Labor leader Bill Shorten to be fighting a snap election later this year even before news of Mr Turnbull winning a party ballot vote to take the leadership from Tony Abbott…
    ***Many commentators expected Mr Shorten’s successful streak in 30 straight polls to dive as opinions swung in favor of Mr Turnbull…
    Another Opposition MP said the party was getting ready for an election.
    They did not believe Turnbull’s government would ‘get anything through the Senate’ because Mr Turnbull had to acknowledge the government’s legislative agenda had been a ‘disaster’, it was reported…
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3234063/Labor-eyeing-possible-snap-election-dramatic-day-Australian-politics-sees-Malcolm-Turnbull-replace-Tony-Abbot-Prime-Minister.html

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    Peter Cynical

    Jo, While an Abbott supporter I think history will show Australia needed both Liberal Leaders. An “Abbott” to remove Labour, stop the boats and the taxes etc. But it will need a “Turnbull” to progress new ideas and regain the centre ground of the Australian polity. It is the Ying and Yang of the two arms of the Liberal Party; Conservative (Abbott) and Small L Liberal (Turnbull) each having its value in the Menzies’ tradition. Earlier reports/leaks that Turnbull had bargained with conservatives to support current Climate and Gay Marriage policies have been confirmed in Question Time today. (at least until the next election).
    I think we have to work positively now given the fait accompli. What about starting a petition for a Royal Commission? One with a limited aim: “To investigate if CO2 causes a temperature increase and if so by how much?

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    pat

    everybody love Malcolm, as expected:

    15 Sept: Australian: Scott Henry: Malcolm Turnbull: Morgan Poll gives huge poll advantage to new PM
    New Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has received an immediate bounce in the polls after ousting Tony Abbott.
    A snap Morgan poll taken this afternoon on who Australian electors regard as the better PM has found Mr Turnbull is preferred by 70 per cent of voters compared to 24 per cent for Bill Shorten.
    “Australian electors have given a massive mandate to new Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull on his first day as PM,’’ said pollster Gary Morgan who conducted the special Snap SMS poll with 1204 voters…
    “Turnbull leads clearly amongst both genders, across all States and Territories and leads Shorten across supporters of both major parties.’’
    “LNP supporters have given Turnbull a huge show of support: Turnbull 86 per cent; Shorten 7 per cent. Even more remarkably, a majority of ALP supporters say Turnbull is the Better PM: Turnbull 50 per cent; ALP Leader Shorten 44 per cent.
    “Greens supporters have also swung behind the new Prime Minister: Turnbull 57 per cent; Shorten 38 per cent.’’…
    Mr Morgan said the result “places immediate pressure’’ on Mr Shorten over the coming few days as electors in the West Australian seat of Canning get set to cast their vote on Australia’s new Turnbull-led Government.
    “The Coalition should ‘walk it in’ in the Canning by-election,’’ he said…
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/malcolm-turnbull-morgan-poll-gives-huge-poll-advantage-to-new-pm/story-fn59niix-1227528934171?sv=abc71b399de1b502550c945756911844

    15 Sept: Roy Morgan: New Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull gets immediate mandate from Australian electors as Better PM: Turnbull 70% cf. Shorten 24%
    This special Snap SMS Morgan Poll was conducted today, September 15, 2015, with an Australia-wide cross section of 1,204 electors.
    LINKS: Visit the Roy Morgan Online Store to browse our Voter Profiles by electorate, detailed Voting Intention Demographics Reports and Most important Political Issue Reports…
    http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/6451-australia-better-pm-turnbull-shorten-september-15-2015-201509150557

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    Orson

    This Yank struggles to take in the sudden turn of events Down Under. It very much sounds like a successful redux of last April’s (?) PM challenge – with the moderates defeating the proper Party of the Right.

    Perhaps a Public Choice economics perspective will illuminate things.

    It very much sounds like the classic Bootleggers and Baptists problem in Aussieland. In the original US Southern context, the “Bootlegger and Baptists” problem situation was so labelled to explain how majority democratic failure occurs when two smaller and influential groups combine to become overpowering the will of the greater good.

    That is, after the experiment in the nationwide prohibiting of acohol failed and was reversed by Constitutional Amendment, how did various places manage to continue the prohibition on the sale and distribution of alcohol? This took place typically in the South and Central Southwest and lasted over a half century in the US.

    It was determined that opposing interests could combine in a democracy to defeat the largest plural interest group, ie, those interested in buyingand enjoying alcohol. How?

    The moralists against “Demon-rum” were most often Baptists, inveighing agains the sin of consuming drink. On the other side were the material interest groups that benefited from the “rent seeking” of making and distributing alcohal – the “bootleggers!” Both bosses and employees. They extracted an above market clearing price in the sale of drink because it was kept illegal.

    In other words, the spiritual side coordinates with a materially-interested side, and thus makes the product – through government force, naturally – illegal. (Therefore, from this bit of US history, the South gave the world NASCAR racing, as most recently seen in the 2006 Hollywood comedy “Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby.” And a whole sub-genre of car chase cops and lovable rogues dramas leading up to it, and which it spoofs.)

    In Australia, it seems the Media and the Enviro-wacko or Ecoloon-Left are the moralists, and spiritual side, or “Baptists.” In the US South, drink was seen to ruin sound family life, you see – thus, the concern of religion in trying to protect people. Today, it’s damage to Mother Earth from man-made CO2 producing egregious climate warming that’s the concern – never mind that Gaia inventor/discoverer James Lovelock has recanted his series of alarmist book on global warming from the 2000s. The science was wrong (and Lovelock is in his doting 90s now, and not up to correcting the record, it seems).

    The “bootlegger” counterpart has a different, more matrerial interest in singing to the Hymn of the sin! In this case, Turnbull, with a background in Goldman Sacks Australia investment banking, and somehow through windmills and Carbon trading ans whatever nonesense is supposed to keep the sin of industrial polluation away!

    And the common man just wants to enjoy consuming cheap energy, and without any hangoever of guilt. Is this correct, so far?

    If so, then there maybe a vast literature of Public Choice advice on how to defeat’ the cabal available from US and international experience for our friends on the Right – the Liberals – to draw upon for strategizing!

    If you can formulate questions to your American cousins properly to the right think taks, I’m sure the literature and campaign advice will be readily forthcoming. George Mason University in Virginai and the Mercatus Center there, for instance.

    Get some queries out! And search the literature for the proper paralles of political experience. Another source: PERC, the Political Economy Research Center in Boseman, Montana.

    Both these think tanks have web sites with literature to search. I’m also sure they have staffers and people that will respond to your needs in helpful ways, if you can lay out the situation that’s befallen our friends Down Under!

    The crucial point: how to succesfully challenge the perversion of democratic process, politically, given the Bootleger and Baptist alliance that’s takeen over the Liberal Party? What strategic steps must be made? What changes in personel and process need to broken or built? You need examples and experience to adopt and hash out and apply to move forward.

    Finally, how to expose to the public this insane cabal! And make them the object of proper ridicule.

    I hope I have done justice to the problem you all face. “These are the times that try men’s souls,” as the English revolutionary Tom Paine wrote in America. Godspeed.

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    Dennis

    I watched Tony Abbott at his last media gathering, and I noted his comments about how he was let down.

    Then I watched Question Time and I have not warmed to the new PM, he does not pass the character test.

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    pat

    MSM is blameless!

    15 Sept: SBS: AAP: Poor polls behind Abbott’s demise: Howard
    The major reason the Liberal Party dumped Tony Abbott for Malcolm Turnbull was the state of the polls, John Howard says
    Australia’s political landscape has become more fragmented, amid a “frenetic top-of-the-head environment” and active news cycle, former prime minister John Howard says.
    But he isn’t blaming the media for Tony Abbott’s demise…
    But Mr Howard said while there were “differences” in politics brought about by “the more intensive and active media cycle”, the media wasn’t the reason Mr Abbott’s party turned on him.
    “I’m not into blaming the media. I hope, generally speaking, I haven’t done that in my career because they have a very important role to play in public life,” Mr Howard said.
    “But I do think we are living in a more super-charged, frenetic top-of-the-head environment.”
    He said, however, that it was the “entrenched” poor state of the polls that brought about Mr Abbott’s departure.
    “I do think the major reason the Liberal Party made the change was the state of the polls,” Mr Howard said.
    “I’ve said in the past that politics is relentlessly driven by the laws of arithmetic and I do think, if the polls had been different, even to a modest but measurable degree, then there may not have been a change.”
    http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2015/09/15/poor-polls-behind-abbotts-demise-howard

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      Dennis

      Media not partisan players?

      ABC/SBS/MSM not involved in relentless negativity aimed at Tony Abbott for most of his time as Leader?

      Who thinks they are kidding whom?

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    el gordo

    ‘Today the Coalition Agreement between Warren Truss and Malcom Turnbull was re-negotiated. I’d like to thank our leader and the leadership team, who stood firm on 10 key policy priorities for regional Australia. These range from climate change, water policy, jobs, telecommunication, competition laws, infrastructure, access to higher education and policies promoting agriculture, dams and northern Australia.’

    Larry Anthony

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    pat

    at the Roy Morgan poll link in the comments above –

    look at bottom table:

    Analysis by Federal Voting Intention
    last column, Can’t Say -

    what do these figures mean?
    Turnbull 71%
    Shorten 15%
    Turnbull lead 56%
    Other/Neither/Can’t Say 15%
    Total 100%

    i can’t figure that out – maybe i’m missing something simple.

    of course, The Australian didn’t put the poll story behind a paywall. they want everyone to see this poll. it is certainly hard to believe the figures.

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      Ross

      Pat

      Not sure what the question was ( preferred PM ???)but it seems 71% support Turnbull and only 15% Shorten. The difference is 56% meaning Turnbull leads Shorten by 56%. 15% say Don’t know ( 71 + 15 + 15 = 101% )

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    IPPY

    My fervent hope is that the Liberals have not followed Labor’s recent efforts for a leader and elected another show pony. Like those previous Laborites, Turnbull presents well, speaks well – but his actions are what matters.

    Has he learnt anything over recent times in politics, or is he like a leopard?

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    ExWarmist

    I think that Malcolm Turnbull is about to walk directly into an Australian Recession and GFC Mk II with his eyes closed.

    I do not expect him to operate well under pressure.

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    doubtingdave

    Reading through the comments it seems to me that the main problem with most is that ACTIVISM is a dirty word and only to be associated with your enemies on the left.On saturday i voted for Corbyn because i’m a working class Labour voter thats seen his party taken over (since Blair)by middle class champagne socialists, from my perspective you could’nt tell the difference between the Tories and New Labour and folk like me felt disenfranchised come election time.When i visit here one of the things that strikes me is how most lean to the right of centre and hold very passionate political views that are very persuasive and give me a different perspective on some issues. But many of you are feeling defeatist at the moment, even talking about never voting Liberal again because you’ve been let down, when really you should be looking to get more involved at grass roots level and trying to change your party from within, all it took me on saturday to help bring a change to my labour party was to pay a small £3 fee and spend a couple of minutes tapping my keyboard and if you can spend so much time here at jo’s whats to stop you spending time getting active in your Liberal party ?? PS JO often shows us studies that say most Aussies are sceptical of manmade climate change or at least alarmism and it seems to me that your Liberal party is a natural home for sceptics and if you were to get a little more involved you could take advantage of this by making sure that those in positions of power within the party represent your views instead of being self serving and that would benefit not just you Aussie sceptics but show the rest of us that there is hope yet. cheers

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    Another Ian

    IPPY

    My mother’s take on politicians was

    “When they talk down to me it is time for them to go”

    Seems he’s failed this test even before he got into the starting blocks

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    Geoff Sherrington

    While I admire Tony Abbott, remember the savage and unrelenting hate campaign that was run, for example, within universities and with media help.

    If this pressure causes voters to call the man unelectable, no amount of admiration will change that.
    The change has been made, forget about tears over spilt milk and get on with devising ways to keep Malcolm conforming to his promises.
    It was becoming more and more apparent that the Coalition, under Abbott, had a low chance of winning the next election.
    Turnbull has a better chance, no matter if you dislike him.
    Politics has always been a hard and dirty business. As voters, we can but express our plans for a better future to whomever is in power.

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      Bill

      Much like the unrelenting anti-Harper campaign in Canada for the last 12 years….and Canada is still doing better than any other country.

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    cedarhill

    Condolences. Now you may internalize how the conservatives in the US feel about the GOP leaders.

    Victor David Hansen recent articles comprise what I call the Great Lamentations of the end of Western Civilization. The totalitarianist have won with Abbot merely a speed bump on the way to chaos.

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    Anton

    The Liberal Party does have a tendency to throw up leaders called Malcolm who are too Left for its grassroots…

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    Abbott lost because of YOU people! All of you should put a brown paper bag over your heads! Warmist did everything possible, to rubbish Abbott – you got a grip on a same permanent Pagan Beliefs – won’t let go; same as blind to a lamppost…

    When sensible people try something for a year – if it doesn’t work -> they stand back and change tactics – not you… expected Abbott to survive on: -”airport heat, sunspots, LIA and vineyards in England… WOW!

    Q: ARE DIFFERENT SUNSPOTS FOR GREAT SANDY DESERT AND NAMIBIAN DESERT, THAN FOR AMAZON BASIN?! They are all on same latitude and altitude?!?! Q2: there is more CO2 in Sydney than in Coober Peedy, if co2 was regulating the climate, would have being BETTER climate in Coober Peedy, is it?! Julie Bishop backstabbed Abbott once – you have being backstabbing him for a decade!!!

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      RUOK?

      rather a sHORt rant Stefan!!!

      Q: Who wrote ShakespEARe sonNETs? WHO? And what of Tony ABBOtt and that WOMAN who ran his office. I’m INCREDULIN.

      There are more apple OS users in Melbourne than Bendigo!

      And what about how Howard backstabbed Peacock?

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        Hi gee,
        I can detect anger… #1: I think that Peacock was never elected by the voters as prime minister; probably you know better.

        #2: I don’t know which woman runs Abbott’s office… do you really hate women?!

        gee, do I really speak Shakespearean English? I’ll take it as a compliment, thanks! – English is not my first, or second language; can speak four language fluently, but not one correctly. B] if you are so proud of yourself for succeeding to learn your native language, so you are bragging about it in different words; just say it, so we can all applaud to your success. OR: is it that you don’t like for me telling the real truth?!?!
        geewaye, how much is democracy and freedom of speech worth to you?! Turnbull’s ABC guillotined freedom of speech – using bigots like you – that’s same as jumping from West Berlin into east Berlin – people were risking their lives jumping the other way – you are a rat going the wrong way… can you tell us why?! Soviet doctrine didn’t succeed, if you are ”progresive, why going backward?! I suspect is my few posts, with real proofs that would have kept Abbot in power and turncoat Turnbull out of politics -here are two, tell us what you don’t want to know:

        https://globalwarmingdenier.wordpress.com/global-warming-lost-its-compass-again/
        https://globalwarmingdenier.wordpress.com/2014/07/12/cooling-earth/

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