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India and China don’t want to cut carbon, but do object to “doublespeak”

India organised a little shindig for the last couple of days with like minded developing countries (called LMDCs), like China, and announced they did not want any obligatory stuff from the UN about cutting carbon emissions.

I quite like the Indian environment minister’s way of phrasing it:

“All countries have decided to take action, but that action is voluntary and nationally determined, not internationally determined,” India’s environment and forests minister Prakash Javadekar said addressing the negotiators this afternoon.

“Paris can become a festival if the world accepts this scenario – all countries take action, whatever is possible with their resources,” Javadekar said.

“If we welcome everybody’s nationally-determined actions, without criticising each other and without entering into a blame game, Paris will be successful.”

But they do want more money:

The LMDCs have also asked the developed countries to provide “additional, predictable, and sustainable climate finance” to help developing countries enhance their climate actions to cover the period up to 2020 and beyond.

I think this translates to: We’re very committed. We’ll do a lot. Don’t check up on us, just pay us.

Spot the UN double speak

The plain speaking Indian Environment minister rather sees through the UN gambit on “storms”:

Javadekar expressed his unhappiness with what he said was “double-speak” by the developed countries.

“In loss and damage, there is double speak,” he said. “When a hurricane happens, they see the gravity of climate change, when some country asks for loss and damage on that account, they come out with the logic that one has to prove whether it is climate change event or a natural event – when compensation is to be paid, it is a natural event, when there is no claim then it becomes a climate change event.”

 Storms are really income-generating-UN-events. Which storms are man-made:  the ones that increase the UN bank accounts.

h.t GWPF

 

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    “The next proposition they went after was an immediate contribution of thirty billion Yankee dollars with an ongoing contribution of one hundred billion per annum in climate damage reparations. The bottom line of two weeks of earnest negotiation about those ideas was they were told to Foxtrot Oscar by the grown ups.”

    https://thepointman.wordpress.com/2013/11/28/cop19-the-grubby-truth-behind-it-all/

    The only reason they’ll bother to turn up at Paris is to shake the money tree, on the off chance some dough might rain down on them. Not going to happen …

    Pointman

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      Graeme No.3

      Not only are the “rich” countries adverse to giving money away, but thanks to Frau Merkel most of them can anticipate huge costs in the near future.

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        Leonard Lane

        Graeme. I think you are probably correct. Germany and the EU will probably start backing out of giving hundreds of $billions to the developing countries.
        But this plays right into Obama’s plans to destroy the US (and western civilization along with the US). I fear Obama will agree to give these hundreds of $billions to the developing countries because he knows the leftist/and or bribed/blackmailed Republicans in Congress always agree to do what Obama wants. Then after the deal is made and done they will hold press conferences to say they will fight Obama this time blah blah blah. The US is broke, our debt is un-payable, and the only way to get the promised money is to borrow more and more. He will also try to force other industrialized nations to join him in paying too.
        The global warming alarmists knew all along that their claims were false, but now seems the time to back up the lies with money.
        Look for Obama to write blank checks, by executive order, and for the developing nations to cash them.

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          David Maddison

          Spot on Leornard. That is the plan. Climate change nonsense and uncontrolled “migration” are fast tracking the destruction of the West, just as Obama and his useful idiots planned.

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          There may not be much left of “Germany” by the start of December. Germany is bankrupt. Its projected spending (suddenly up by tens of billions of Euros by having to support perhaps another half million “refugees” by the end of this year) is well beyond Germany’s projected capacity to repay any borrowings. Escalation of welfare costs has been exascerbated by the high costs of energy; especially for the poor, dependent on social benefits.

          German governments have made terrible choices in recent years/months, including the compulsory minimum wage; which has destroyed lots of small jobs previously used by those on social benefits to supplment their welfare income as well as long-term internships tha provided some of the work experience necessary to enter professions. There’s not just the financial aspect. There are the social consequences of people wandering the streets without a sense of purpose.

          Of course their energy policies have been a complete disaster for the German people, even by the government’s own assessments. Germany is burning nearly as much coal as it did in 1990; and the quantity is set to increase by about 20% over the next 5 to 7 years as the last nuclear power stations are shut down; replaced by7 coal plants if they can find somebody stupid enough to invest in plant that is a slave to the vagaries of wind and solar that have a mandated priority of supply. The heavily-subsidised wind and solar industries largely collapsed when subsidies were cut by about a third; and further cuts and elimination of tax breaks will wipe out any remnants. The big names in renewables such as Siemens are running away from the sector as quickly as possible.

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            Dear Bernd,

            As a Geman interestet in politics I cannot agree to all your statements. Clearly Germany will not be bankrupt by the end of the year. Germany ist on one oft the few nations which has a balanced budget. The additional cost for refugees will not come from loans but from re-organizing the budget, which has been already started by the finance minister.

            About the minimum wage; there is no report that it had any influence on employment, or destroyed small jobs. The only complaint was about the added bureaucratic load, which has already been reduced.

            Germany is still the wealthiest nation within the EU, with low inflation and a low rate of unemployment. Possibly this causes people caring for “luxury propblems” like Climate change and Energiewende. Here you are partly right, the will not save any ppm of CO2, nor will they influence the global temperature.

            But even if they are doing luxury energy exercises, there will be some positve output or knowledge from that.

            And about the refugees, they are distincting between economic refugees and war refugees. Barvaraia has just opened a second center for economic refugees from the balcan states to speed up their repatriation.

            Yes, it is not every wise what the Germans are doing. But every other nation has it’s follies. Others like deadly weapons, gas guzzlers and see it as a human right for some to have three jobs to get their stomach filled. (it depends on the culture, what one considers as right).

            Even if there are some weak points – don’t paint Germany blacker as it is.

            Johannes

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              bobl

              Thanks Johannes,

              We get a rather distorted view of the EU here, and to me Germany is one of the few adults in the room, except for Climate Change, where the koolaid seems to have taken hold.

              It’s good to hear an on-the-ground local viewpoint.

              Thanks again.

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              KinkyKeith

              Hello Johannes

              As Bobl said, it is good to hear your comments.

              Obviously Bernd has a special interests in Germany and has a good perspective.

              I also follow a writer now living in New Zealand who has very sensible comments in his posts to a finance column.

              He is Oliver Marc Hartwich and a sample of his work is at:

              http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2015/9/17/europe/eu-falling-apart

              I believe he has parents living in Germany so he is very concerned at the way their lives may be affected by the economics and politics of the EU.

              best regards

              keith R

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              Thanks for your point of view Johannes.

              I’m looking at Germany from a distance; through the media (traditional and otherwise) and in correspondence with friends and family. And the occassional visit; the most recent in 2014.

              Germany has coped well with guest workers and foreign migrants in the past; when their influx was in the tens of thousands a year; not tens of thousands a week. Millions of migrants have been accommodated, if not integrated, over the period of more than half a century. They’ve helped to build a country of enviable prosperity and social generosity.

              A visit to destatis.de (PDF only in German) indicates emigration/naturalisation of e.g. Turks after about 1999; their numbers falling by about 700,000 between the peak ca. 1997 and 2014. i.e. they either left the country or became citizens of Germany. They were the most visible component of the foreign population in Germany. Poles have been much less visible and traditionally integrating in Germany for over a century anyway the respective cultures being very similar even if the languages are quite different.

              The surge of more than half a million “refugees” from “Syria” in the space of months is a very different situation to that previously encountered in Germany. Bureaucracies cannot cope with the acceleration and velocity of change. Volunteers are feeding, clothing and housing some of the influx. But such volunteerism will soon be exhausted.

              As for “re-organizing the budget” I have little confidence in the government’s ability to use money more effectively to fund the management of the influx without severely penalising other expenditure.

              Germany’s infrastructure is decaying from lack of funds. Roads and bridges are in terrible condition for lack of funds, even though fuel taxes are very high. Road users are funding the welfare state while the roads that they need to be able to work are crumbling. Isn’t the German government is considering road tolls for cars (Pkw-Maut) to raise money to maintain roads? (Heavy vehicles using the Autobahn already have to pay toll charges.) IIRC, motorists are currently paying about 5 times more in taxes than what is needed for maintaining and extending road infrastructure.

              The electricity grid is also in dire need of upgrading to accommodate the fluctuating supply of wind and solar. The need has been obvious for more than a decade, as has the need for substantial (90%) of conventional, reliable, spinning reserve.

              Germnany’s military is ill-equipped; the standard rifle was due for replacement 25 years ago but was deferred due to (costs of) re-unification. Weapons systems such as the main battle tank are outdated and modern ones such as the drone funded to the tune of half a billion Euros to adapt the Grumman GlobalHawk (?); isn’t allowed to fly in European airspace.

              Government policy on nuclear power has been very expensive for taxpayers with taxpayers having to compensate operators for premature shutdowns; and building, then cancelling a repository for the long-term storage of spent nuclear fuel.

              Nett income for most people working in Germany hasn’t risen much at all in more than a decade. While that’s kept a lid on prices of goods and many services, taxes and surcharges have increased. Bureaucracies, in general, have not shrunk.

              Government waste on projects and operating expenditure hasn’t been tempered. Berlin’s new airport has been under constructions for so long that it needs renovations before opening. The construction site of the new HQ of the intelligence services is so insecure that it’s been plundered of materials; the plumbing and electrics so poor that they are having to be re-engineered. The absurdity continues with multi-million-Euro tram stops being built without anybody checking that the trams will actually fit.

              These things are a snowflake on the tip of the iceberg.

              Taxpayers are being squeezed not just at both ends of the tube but also in the middle to fund government follies and ineptitude. Germany’s not unique in that regard but they must almost rate as champions in the dimension of it.

              While governments can pull a rabbit out of the hat and “balance” a budget, the reality on the ground may not be so balanced for individual German citizens.

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                KinkyKeith

                Interesting commentary Bernd; sounds like most modern countries unfortunately.

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                Dear Bernd,
                The Germany you are talking of, is not the land I’m living in.

                We live in a land where we can live comfortably with seven Persons fron one average income, my 5 children get education up to university for free.

                Roads are not all new, but well maintained.

                I would not think about any other country to live in. Yes, not everything is good, but most things are better than in the rest of the world.

                I lived in GB for a while, and when I moved there, I got a cultural shock. I lived in Tanzania as well. I visited a lot of European Countries, and nearly all of them were poorer or more shabby.

                You should know that there is the habit of many Germans to “whine at a high level” (Jammern auf hohem Niveau). Means to complain about each and everything despite living an whealthy live in one of the best countries ever.

                If they had to live somewhere else, they would see how good it was in Germany.

                Johannes

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            KinkyKeith

            Bernd

            I read a report of the wonderful welcome given to the “refugees” as the entered Germany.

            I later read a more sober report of the reality after they had left the main city area and were transported to a remote town and placed in a compound guarded by police.

            The locals regarded them as an intrusion and there was some ill feeling given the level of monetary “support” being advanced to the newcomers who had never paid a days taxes in Germany in their lives and in some respects had achieved in a day what it took the locals a lifetime to work for.

            Clearly Angela has no real understanding of the Human Condition and there is trouble brewing unless these refugees are put to work quickly to repay what has been given them.

            KK

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        The rich countries may well give money away if they think it will bring in more money. Expect recalcitrant developing leaders to be offered sweeteners as much as is possible.

        Russia was highly skeptical until someone pointed out that with a 1990 start date on Kyoto they potentially stood to make a lot of money. China and India will be looking at the cost-benefits for them, and at the right price, they may well come under the UN climate tent, if the aim is to make them look like they are “committed” for PR purposes, rather than to actually reduce CO2. One of these aims is a lot easier than the other.

        Giving money to third world leaders is a kind of investment for UN power. We can certainly rely on India and China not to hobble their economies, and to keep using coal, but I don’t like that the free west has to rely on their decisions for our own sensible economic direction.

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    Manfred

    The far reaching and incarcerating policies of the UN will become publicly explicit at the start of the 70th UN General Assembly, being opened by Pope Francis on Friday 25th September, in his rallying call for all ‘believers’.

    This I think is the point at which The UN finally relinquishes any further pretense of being a forum for global security, assuming instead the mantle of social and economic governance, environmental and financial regulation, for all to see and read.

    Technically the regulation of the weather and the forum for the weathermongers resides in the UN mandated province of the UNFCCC under Christiana Figueres. The UNFCCC is but a pimple on the UN backside of intention to be expressed by The United Nations summit for the adoption of the post-2015 development agenda, opening next Friday, 25th September as the UN 70th General Assembly with handwaving from Francis and raptuous convulsions of the MSM.

    This is when the stage will be set for Paris and the lingua franca of the UN finally assumes the tenor of the compulsory.

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    Yonniestone

    2 of the oldest surviving civilizations doing what they do best, toss a stone in the water then watch where the ripples go, in this case they’ll reach the delusional euro-trash regime that will frantically offer wealth they don’t have which will further weaken their failing grasp for global power.

    I believe India was the only empire to stop Alexander the Great so they probably won’t be too concerned with a flock of chickens brooding about the sky falling when they have elephants.

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      Military Historian

      India did not stop Alexander, Afghanistan did.

      [Hint to everyone: Mention of Afghanistan trapped this in moderation. Ordinarily it's a subject we don't have space or time to deal with and would not be approved. But the historical reference is OK.] AZ

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    “All countries have decided to take action…”

    Then their “leaders” are all incompetent (and greedy) children, dedicating themselves (more importantly, their people) to lies. The only good climate policy is no climate policy, and no religious coercion of unbelievers.

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    Seems it’s okay to keep adding CO2 to the atmosphere as long as you mail a check to those demanding it. I wonder if any of these countries realize that cutting carbon dioxide will depress the economy of the countries they are robbing and cut the amount of their check. Plus, if China and India keep demanding payments, Americans won’t have the cash to buy their goods and then their economy collapses. We’ve already seen that with the Chinese stock market. Or perhaps they are like leeches that drain the host and then hope to find another host before they die from lack of a host.

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    Peter Miller

    The leaders of the two most populous countries on the planet realise that CAGW theory is complete BS and act accordingly. However, why should they pass up on the opportunity to embarrass and economically weaken the wicked Western World with its gullible ecoloon political leadership.

    Well, if you were in their shoes, wouldn’t you do the same?

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      Ross

      Absolutely right, Peter !!

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      James Bradley

      Yep.

      While ‘progressive’ Western countries fall for ‘climatebagger’ propaganda from the UN, and adhere to the socialist belief that they must squeeze more from their own economies to appease their Left/Green voter bases to address climate change or risk becoming a global embarrassment (like Australia), third world economies will be only too happy to benefit from their stupidity.

      Nations of the South Pacific are already lining up for handouts from Australia to compensate for sea level rise – just one of the Left/Green voter base factors that I’m sure developed this week as a result of Mr. Abbott’s sensible and pragmatic ‘off camera’ response accidentally recorded and coincidentally numerously rebroadcast by their ABC and others.

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        David Maddison

        Anyone who understands high school geology will know why some coral attols are sinking (not sea levels rising). Attols sink, that’s whatbthey do. Why can’t anyone understand this before billions of taxpayer moneybare given away?

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        David Maddison

        Anyone who understands high school geology will know why some coral attols are sinking (not sea levels rising). Attols sink, that’s what they do. Why can’t anyone understand this before billions of taxpayer moneybare given away?

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    The UN hypocrisy is also reflected at much lower levels in society. Just think about Earth Hour, turning off lights for one hour, once a year. That’s then followed by such things as the Vivid Festival and numerous others, where electricity is consumed for nights on end and high lauded by the same media that crow about Earth Hour.

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    Ruairi

    If a country requests compensation,
    To rebuild their storm-damaged nation,
    What the U.N. can do,
    Like a Catch-22,
    Is insist they prove man-made causation.

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      Matty

      The temerity of some nations, expecting the UN to actually handout some of its ill gotten gains in cash, rather than spending it on lavish political appointments & offices for those doing its bidding.

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      Peter C

      Is insist they prove man-made causation.

      Beautiful Ruairi.

      If only the UN would insist that countries requesting compensation did prove any causation! Mendicant Nations! I.e. All of the Pacific and Indian Ocean Island Nations. Let them make there own cogent case.

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    When people talk about Australia making emissions reductions to save the planet, they forget how few people live in the vast sub-continent – about 23 million. India has 55 times and China 60 times the population of Australia. Together they contain 37% of the global population, against 0.3% in Australia.
    I would suggest that the original reason for swapping the term Global Warming with Climate Change is not due to the lack of warming, but that that you cannot constrain global emissions whilst the majority of the global population live in countries where emissions are going to continue growing for decades to come.
    As I showed earlier this year on a couple of charts, the world has shifted from 1990 when around 70% of emissions came from countries with 20% of the population.

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    Neville

    Here is a good post from Dr Indur Goklany covering all the lies and nonsense about extreme weather events etc, etc.
    http://reason.org/news/show/1003118.html
    And here is a more recent post from Lomborg in the WSJ covering so much of the recent CAGW BS. You’ll note that the death rate from extreme events has dropped 97% over the last 100 years.
    Everything is better today so why should we compensate them for an easier, safer lifestyle??? Perhaps the west should receive compensation?
    http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com.au/2015/02/the-alarming-thing-about-climate.html

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    toorightmate

    Obama is a very smart man. He will think this is a very sound idea.
    (sarc, sarc, sarc)

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      David Maddison

      He is smarter than you might think. He has orchestrated and nearly completed a plan to destroy Western Civilisation in less than 8 years.

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        gigdiary

        Obama isn’t a smart man, he was shepherded into his role. Now he is allowed to play golf all day until his term is up.

        At least Forrest Gump admitted ‘I am not a smart man’.

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    TedM

    “Storms are really income-generating-UN-events. Which storms are man-made: the ones that increase the UN bank accounts.”

    A remarkably perceptive statement. I’m at least 97% sure Jo is right.

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    Robert O

    As the Indian and Chinese economies grow and their living standards improve they will require more and more electricity meaning more coal fired power stations. It is rather ironic that Australia, as is the Western world, is talking about cutting emissions, and at the same time is selling as much coal (and iron ore) to these populous nations as it can with several new mines in the pipeline. Isn’t this really “doublespeak”, meaning hypocrisy, as well.

    Without these commodities we wouldn’t have the money to fund our enormous and burgeoning administrative and regulatory cost.

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      Manfred

      By the time the Indian and Chinese economies reach their zenith, will there still be something one could refer to as an Australian ‘economy’ or will The UN Looters have wrecked it to oblivion?

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      Rick Bradford

      ..more coal-fired power stations

      There are an estimated 1,066 new coal-fired power plants being planned or under construction in Asia alone, with government funding from Japan (it calls it ‘climate finance’) and China.

      Asians are quite happy to see the West commit economic suicide with their silly wind farms and solar panels and are no doubt sniggering quietly at how the West views itself as ‘superior’.

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    ScotsmaninUtah

    “Where are my suitcases of cash you promised ?”

    “If we welcome everybody’s nationally-determined actions, without criticizing each other and without entering into a blame game, Paris will be successful.”

    Unlike Copenhagen , this time. participants are actually coming clean about how they really feel about committing to all this :(
    It is a good thing that so many of the U.N. personnel involved in promoting Global Warming, have degrees in Psychology and International Relations, otherwise we could easily see chairs flying.

    With so many sad faces expected in Paris, perhaps Bob Geldof will write a song to alleviate the suffering…

    But, to be honest , I really feel sorry for the Swiss. I think the Banks in Switzerland were truly expecting (and with total confidence) to be able open more (anonymous) deposit accounts from the those newly enriched leaders of said countries “now suffering from the Catastrophic effects of Climate Change”.

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    Dennis

    With regard to the conversations here I believe that the article below from Michael Smith News today is worth reading, Christopher Monckton was so right about the forces opposing Tony Abbott;

    http://stopturnbull.com

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    ScotsmaninUtah

    “U.N. Global Warming Insurance claim forms…”

    A person who didn’t know anything about “Global Warming ” might make the observation that an underdeveloped country making a “loss and damage” claim (via the U.N. claims process) against the developed countries , was identical to filling in a “home and contents” insurance claim.

    except that it includes everyone …

    Claim Description:

    A 20 foot wave (in 2075) is going to come through my country and wash me, my family and the country’s population out to sea.

    I can see a flaw in this process…. :(

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      safetyguy66

      Early days yet for September but Beauty Point is again running a minimum 0.7c below average after being 1.2c down in August. Warming??

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    safetyguy66

    Fran Kelly this morning actually used the words “renewables do tend to drive up electricity prices because you need both the renewables and the fossil generation to ensure stability in the grid” while interviewing Simon Hackett. Simon was spruking his new battery technology venture which the ABC had no problem repeating the company name of several times.

    Proving a couple of things. Its ok to mention private businesses when the green masters voice in your ear says its ok and ABC are complete liars… just so blatant its embarrassing for everyone. How many decades have they spun the line that renewables don’t need fossil backup and that anyone who says they do is a holocaust denier?

    So now in addition to your solar panels that you wont get a feed in tariff for, you will need a multi thousand dollar batter array, that will probably need replacing after a few years like most batteries just to achieve the same thing you could have by doing nothing…. ie. turning the lights on.

    The best part though I think is that most arrays will likely be wired up to store your solar energy during the day, then discharge it at night. Thus on days when the sun isnt shining you will use your peak tariff to charge your batteries from the grid then discharge that expensive energy in to your house at night on the lower rate. GENIUS!!

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      James Murphy

      As has already been mentioned, Lithium batteries can explode, burst into flames, or leak, and I guarantee that only a tiny tiny percentage of people would have appropriate means, and volume of fire control (not to mention the skills to use it effectively) if something the size of a Tesla power-wall suddenly burst into flames in their house. It’s not really really common, but it will happen.

      Good thing for insurance companies who can no doubt find a loophole to avoid paying anything, bad thing for the people who lose their possessions.

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        Dennis

        Don’t be silly, Frantic Kelly of ABC Radio National or RN promoted Tesla battery packs as the beginning of the end of fossil fuel electricity production.

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          James Murphy

          Sorry, my mistake! I missed that ABC advertorial for Tesla… deliberately, I might add!

          I will make sure I devise a suitable punishment for my insolence – maybe listening to Frantic Kelly would do it. (good name, by the way!)

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    David Maddison

    The falsehood of CAGW is easy demonstrate. Apart from the Marxist political agenda to restructure the world, I fail to understand why people continue to “believe”.

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      James Bradley

      Dave,

      This is how it works:

      Those who choose to become believers are seeking a motivator to destroy a culture in which they are jealous of the success of others because they themselves are unable to succeed in it, so they gravitate to ideology that espouses equality above freedom.

      All the indicators are there – transfer wealth to make rich and poor equal, close debate to shut down dissent, making only one side equal, educate against independent thought so everyone has equal information and equal thought, shut down anti-government media commentators (Gillard tried this with News Corp – she succeeded with Michael Smith at2UE as he almost single handed has been a factor in the TURC, and exposing Gillard, Shorten, and their corrupt union support), promote secularism and at the same time support Islamic revolution while protesting Israel’s right to defend itself.

      I also urge all independent thinking people to visit and support Michael Smith News http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/

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      Manfred

      David said: ‘I fail to understand why people continue to “believe”.’

      One might ask the same question of ISIS or indeed, retrospectively of the beneficiaries of the generosity of the Spanish Inquisition. It seems there is no end to the capacity of human madness and cognitive dissonance. When madness becomes ‘collectivised’ as an identity, it expedites all manner of infinite stupidity bereft of rationality. The question to ask presently is when will people recover their senses or perhaps, what will it take for people to regain a measure of sanity?

      Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.”

      Karl Marx – Opium of the People

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        If this follows the usual pattern, people will become increasingly foolish and irrational, lose everything they have and value, and after years of misery, someone will rise up and lead the masses out of the mess. Sadly, one has to have a lot of misery in order to get people to think again. Affluence allows for all kinds of irrational behaviour (see Hollywood).

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    An income generating UN event just happened off the coast of Chile, in the form of a 7.9 magnitude earthquake.

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    pat

    16 Sept: Forbes: Frank Holmes: Coal Still Has Long Way To Run In China And India
    Resource investors, take note: By 2025, just 10 years from now, energy consumption in Asia will increase a whopping 31 percent. A whole two-thirds of that demand, driven largely by China and India, will be for fossil fuels, most notably coal.
    That’s according to a new research piece by financial services group Macquarie, which writes that the estimated rise in fossil fuel demand is equivalent to “three times Saudi Arabia’s current (all-time-high) oil production.” Macquarie’s research is in line with BP’s “Energy Outlook 2035,” released earlier this year, which predicts that more than half of the world’s energy consumption will come from China and India by the year 2035…
    Today, China and India collectively consume about 60 percent of all coal produced in the world. In absolute terms, consumption is expected to continue expanding as their populations balloon and the energy-thirsty middle class expands…
    Macquarie estimates that by 2025, India’s energy demand will rise 71 percent, with coal taking the lead among oil, gas, hydro, nuclear and others. The south Asian country is already the second-largest importer of thermal coal, and it might very well surpass China in the coming years…
    The group adds that, unlike China, India has no present interest in reigning in its use of coal. Most emerging markets, India included, recognize that coal is an extremely affordable and reliable source of energy, necessary to drive economic growth…
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspeculations/2015/09/16/coal-still-has-long-way-to-run-in-china-and-india/

    15 Sept: Guardian: Suzanne Goldenberg: Edelman ends work with coal producers and climate change deniers
    The company was also taking a stand against spreading doubt about climate change, and the use of fake front groups to influence elected officials, Stewart said.
    Michael Stewart, the president and chief executive for Europe: “When you are trying in some way to obfuscate the truth or use misinformation and half-truths that is what we would consider getting into the work of greenwashing, and that is something we would never propose or work we would support our client doing,” he went on. “Greenwashing, fake front groups, anything like that is completely inappropriate.”…
    ***The company made no promises on representing companies that have fought against regulations cutting carbon pollution. However, clients involved in Arctic drilling and the Alberta tar sands will not be excluded, and there was no discussion about dropping other oil and gas producers, Stewart said.
    “To simply try and carve out carbon production from the overall energy mix in one fell swoop is just not part of the mainstream discourse, and not something we considered,” he said.
    ***“Right now the only categorical exclusion we have is on climate denial and coal.”…
    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/sep/15/edelman-ends-work-with-coal-and-climate-change-deniers

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    15 Sept: Alister Doyle: Exclusive: Chinese coal data cast doubt on historic stalling of world CO2
    When the International Energy Agency reported in March that global carbon emissions had stayed flat in 2014, even as the world economy grew, the news was hailed as a turning point in the struggle to curb climate change.
    But more recent data about Chinese coal consumption, seen by Reuters, raise doubts about whether that historic decoupling of economic growth and carbon emissions from energy use actually occurred…
    Until now, many foreign researchers have been unsure which set of Chinese data to trust. Both put 2014 coal consumption at 2.81 billion tonnes, but each infers a different change from 2013.
    Jiang Kejun, a senior researcher with the Energy Research Institute, a think-tank under the National Development and Reform Commission, told Reuters both were correct.
    He said the 2.9 percent decline referred to the quantity of all coal used, but the 0.06 percent rise in the Abstract referred to the energy released by burning coal, expressed in standard tonnes…
    The IEA says it is now awaiting Chinese data from an energy census and other revisions before issuing any update.
    “We are aware that there is the potential for a big revision, not only for the 2013/2014 growth rate but also for a longer time series,” IEA spokesman Greg Frost said…
    “Emissions have been at a record rate in the last few years, and so has the rate of carbon dioxide increase,” said Pieter Tans of the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, which measures CO2 concentrations on a mountaintop at Mauna Loa, Hawaii.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/15/us-climatechange-carbon-china-exclusive-idUSKCN0RF1QT20150915

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    pat

    16 Sept: AFR: Greg Evans: Australian coal industry’s future far from black
    The modern coal industry continues this pivotal role, maintaining the position as our second largest export and it is expected to boost national income by $250 billion by 2020. It is a major employer in NSW and Queensland, and is the mainstay of our electricity provision at 71 per cent of the total generation requirements…
    Asian economic expansion will underpin coal demand – and that’s not just China and India but also the fast developing countries of south-east Asia and traditional stable markets such as Japan, Korea and Taiwan…
    The International Energy Agency estimates an additional 1 billion tonnes of coal will be used in 2019 compared with today and by 2040 global coal trade will grow by 40 per cent, and it is expected Australia will capture the largest share of that growth…
    A new report by the IEA Clean Coal Centre has detailed the changing electricity generation landscape in the rapidly growing countries of south and east Asia.
    The findings of the report indicate a strong uptake of cleaner, high-efficiency low-emission (HELE) coal-fired power stations among the 10 surveyed countries…
    An impressive 670 of these generation units are already operating in these countries. Moreover, there are an additional 1066 now under construction or planned, which is the equivalent of 24 times Australia’s current coal-fired generation. This is the fastest expansion and modernisation of coal-fired generation in history…
    In the 10 Asian countries studied – Bangladesh, China, India, Japan, Malaysia, Philippines, South Korea, Taiwan, Thailand, and Vietnam – an estimated 1.1 billion tonnes of CO₂ abatement a year will result from the planned deployment of HELE rather than older typical subcritical technology…
    The coal-fired energy transformation in Asia will be of great disappointment to critics of the coal industry, as every new power plant constructed locks in demand for coal for several decades to match the design life of the new plant…
    http://www.afr.com/news/special-reports/australia-energy-future/rising-share-of-chinese-market-20150915-gjnahe

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      Just-A Guy

      pat,

      No need for speculation any longer. This is why people like Soros are buying up all of the ‘divested’ coal shares they can get. Being an insider, a mover so to speak, does anyone believe Soros and others within the ‘clique’ weren’t aware of this ‘re-analysis’?

      Money begets money.

      Abe

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        Dennis

        They just don’t want the shares to fall into the wrong hands, that’s their contribution to a cleaner planet.

        Capital gain is not what they are after, they do not need more wealth creation.

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          Just-A Guy

          Dennis,

          I see your on a roll today. ;)

          As with all humor, sarcasm included, if there wasn’t some grain of truth behind it, it wouldn’t be funny.

          Sadly, you actually nailed it in this case. It really isn’t about wealth creation. It’s about the control of resources! :o Control of coal means control of energy, control of energy means control of the economy and thereby control of the population and society. :(

          Anybody know where I can get a good ‘paddle’?

          Abe

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    thingadonta

    I think consulting past weather-based religions and gods might be beneficial for those within the climate change community; the best tricks have been used and discovered long ago. Might have to consult some of them myself, to stay ahead and educate oneself of what’s likely to happen next; after all, history often repeats itself.

    There’s a whole host of ancient religions that had various weather gods, used for various purposes, so modern climate agendas are really nothing new.

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    Amber

    Is Australia’s Prime Minister of the month revolving door what the public votes for or is it the Party platform at election time ?
    So if they bald face lie (ie ..No carbon tax flip flop ) why are these lying politicians not recalled and punted ?

    How many weeks will the new mutineer last ? The stationary printers must love this Prime Minister musical chairs embarrassment .

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      safetyguy66

      They are valid points Amber.

      If a CEO presented a direction to a board and sharelholders, then went out and did the exact opposite, they would not last long. Tony’s problem was he made a pitch, people bought it then to their complete surprise, he did exactly what he said he would do. Of course voters would be shocked by that and in true Australian political fashion, he had to pay for staying on message.

      At the same time imagine the political leadership system if it operated in a private company. The Woolies CEO would be deposed by the first disgruntled trolley pusher who could get 50 fools together to vote for their takeover. Its madness and its difficult to see how it can be (urgh) “sustainable”.

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    handjive

    Real Life:
    It’s Now Compulsory To Teach Climate Change And Evolution In Alabama Schools

    Made-Up:
    (the onion): Christian Groups: Biblical Armageddon Must Be Taught Alongside Global Warming
    . . .
    Yes, we are now living the joke.

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      safetyguy66

      Im sure it has happened somewhere but I have been waiting for a “theologian” to explain that what the bible “actually” means by Armageddon is climate change, they have just been misinterpreting it up till now.

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        Actually, I have remarked that Revelation says the world will end in fire and that seems to be in line with global warming philosophy. I had hoped that would discourage the global warming people, but it seems they would celebrate anything that agreed with their ideas, no matter how bad, unscientific, etc. It really is about agreement and nothing more.

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    Unmentionable

    I kind of suspect neither are particularly committed to high air-quality as a priority, so asking to commit priorities to something as NET beneficial as CO2 … well just forget it UN … they will call your weak-handed disingenuous extortion bluff. And Ban-Ki Moon (pronounced “Banki Moonshot”) knows what butters his bread. So Banki goes for the fear-tweaked sucker, and tries to suck money out of the “Rich-Totally-Broke-World” – instead.

    Which despite having no revenues keeps on working due to the wonders of Central-Planning and 300% of GDP debt addict dependent ponzi-economies, backed by ECB money-printing, which all continues to tickle ever-wider the UN’s ravening maw of epic failure.

    What could possibly go wrong?

    Hey, I’m in a particularly [wood]chipper mood this morning, so I apologize if I’m putting too high a gloss on the underlying tenability of the global Messiah syndrome and its perpetual mission-creep closer to our UN Banki accounts – I’ll try to curb my enthusiasm.

    I suppose the UK wasn’t much interested in clean air in 1950 either, no pea-soup for you! So we can only hope that China and India are affected by UN Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy soon as well, to continue the mission creep, to full-on global Central Planning. China could really help us out. But we must not under rate Democratic institutions for their ability to choke the life out of the global economy, after all we did it first, and China are just a bunch of pikers and emulators compared to us truly free peoples!
    ___
    Otherwise Banki & Sons Debt-UN-Limited (Since 1948) may have to resort to eating crickets, with the rest of the ‘Saved‘ schmucks. … mmmmm … crickets …

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    pat

    haven’t listened, but some might care to!

    AUDIO: 16 Sept: ABC Lateline Business: A changing climate in Canberra
    Having lost 88 percent of investment in the past year, the renewable energy industry is celebrating the ascension of Malcolm Turnbull to the top job. So far, Malcolm Turnbull has thrown his support behind the existing direct action plan. But industry players are hopeful the winds of change are coming…
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-16/a-changing-climate-in-canberra/6781926

    ABC – still shilling.

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    There’s something in all of this that virtually everyone is ignoring, and you can easily see why.

    There are 192 Countries which make up membership of the UN.

    The targeted Countries (Annex ll) number 24, those Developed Countries which have to pay for the whole shebang, and they are the ones which the UN desperately seeks to sign up to any deal in Paris, because that’s the source of all their money.

    What is mentioned NOWHERE is that all the other Countries need do nothing really, except latch onto this bountiful UN teat.

    They are totally and utterly ignoring what the UN is attempting to force on those 24 Countries. They are constructing power plants hand over fist, nearly all of them coal fired power plants.

    Just from what is known already, there are in train plans for 672GW of new coal fired plants alone, just in the Asian region alone, and here that includes the big two, China, and to a lesser extent India, and other Countries in Asia.

    Much play is made of Obama’s so called deal with China, where America cuts it’s own throat and China will go on expanding, and ….. HOPING to reach peak emissions by 2030, and this is counted by Obama as a huge accomplishment.

    What?

    Those (known) new plants mean a new added CO2 emissions in the amount of 6.3 BILLION tonnes of CO2 each year. That’s on top of what there already is.

    Any reductions from those 24 targets will be so inconsequential as to not even register.

    And now get this.

    Australia is expected to decrease their emissions by 23%. That comes in at a decrease of 115 Million tonnes.

    That is DEMANDED of us to keep the World’s temperature from rising a catastrophic 2 degrees.

    So, we decrease by 115 million tonnes to keep it at that 2 degrees, and in our region alone, the increase will be 6.3 BILLION tonnes.

    Australia’s decrease is 1.82% of the increase.

    Like gullible Lemmings leaping off a cliff, we are just expected to sit back and take it, in fact, to enthusiastically embrace it.

    Well, I for one have had an absolute gutful.

    The UN is demanding we do this, and yet, the rest of those non Developed Countries are thumbing their noses at the UN, all the while accepting the money they will throw at them.

    You can bet London to a brick there will be no action taken against those Countries by the UN to implore them to close those new plants.

    Not on your life.

    We’ve been had.

    And for all you people out there who support this, well you make me sick, that you will blindly accept this, and look the other way so you don’t see what is happening under your very eyes.

    Just how can we get this message across when no one wants to hear it, let alone report it.

    Tony.

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      ScotsmaninUtah

      Tony,
      Well said !

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      Ron Cook

      Hi Tony,

      You said, “Well, I for one have had an absolute gutful.”

      Me Too.

      and “Just how can we get this message across when no one wants to hear it, let alone report it.”

      I find it practically impossible to change their ‘blinkered’ views because the truth just goes straight through – as you say no one wants to hear it.

      R-COO- K+

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        Yonniestone

        There’s nothing like learning from reality, and what a harsh lesson it will be.

        Until it’s all forgotten again in another 75-100 years I guess….

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          Correct. Human beings are notorious for the inability to learn and retain that learning. No matter how many times they cannot get water to run uphill, they continue to try. Even if something failed 100% of the time in history, it might work now because maybe we’re smarter and more persistent. It simply cannot be that we are wrong. Socialism will work, people will learn to love one another, there is a perpetual motion machine that makes free energy and natural herbs that cure cancer. It simply cannot be untrue. It’s what humans always believe, except for a very small percentage who don’t look at the world through want and emotion.

          Nature is a hard teacher, but we will not learn any other way. It’s just the way it is and it’s pointless to believe it will ever change. Be happy you were alive in one of those rare periods of enlightenment for a few decades. There were and will be much darker times. (If you are wondering why one should even bother to try and spread the truth and reality, when dark times hit, only the memory of the truth brings people back out. The more people know, the shorter that dark period. If no one knows or remembers the truth, it’s a very long dark period.)

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      Unmentionable

      Thank you Tony for your comment captured in detail what I was feeling, it should be a blog post in its own right. You really should write and submit one or three. ;-)

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    pat

    i’m accidentally posting comments on jo’s previous “Once again, voters” thread, including a Vanity Fair piece on the following anti-PC campus talk by Obama. ***would he extend this to cover CAGW sceptics:

    15 Sept: HuffPo: Tyler Kingkade: Obama Thinks Students Should Stop Stifling Debate On Campus
    He says they shouldn’t be “coddled and protected from different points of view.”
    President Barack Obama wants college students to hear the arguments of people they disagree with, not try to block them from speaking.
    During a town hall appearance at North High School in Des Moines, Iowa, on Monday, Obama bemoaned what some critics call the “new political correctness” at colleges and universities.
    “I’ve heard some college campuses where they don’t want to have a guest speaker who is too conservative or they don’t want to read a book if it has language that is offensive to African-Americans or somehow sends a demeaning signal towards women,” Obama said. “I gotta tell you I don’t agree with that either. I don’t agree that you, when you become students at colleges, have to be coddled and protected from different points of view.”
    ***The president said that when he was in school, listening to people he disagreed with helped to test his own assumptions and sometimes led him to change his mind.
    “Sometimes I realized maybe I’ve been too narrow-minded, maybe I didn’t take this into account, maybe I should see this person’s perspective,” Obama said. “That’s what college, in part, is all about.”…
    The Foundation for Individual Rights in Education, a civil liberties group, said that attempts to “uninvite” speakers have increased since 2000…
    “You shouldn’t silence them by saying, ‘You can’t come because I’m too sensitive to hear what you have to say,’” Obama said in his town hall. “That’s not the way we learn either.”…
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/obama-college-political-correctness_55f8431ee4b00e2cd5e80198?ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000067&section=australia&adsSiteOverride=au

    have also posted: “Scientific American: Obama Seeks Psychological Help with Climate Change”

    these pieces are not posting at the end of the comments for some reason, but can easily be found a little way up from the last comments.

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    pat

    ***Fernyhough sound a little cynical!

    17 Sept: TheNewDaily: James Fernyhough: Deal with climate change, say big corporations
    Eight of Australia’s biggest businesses have said we need to cut emissions now – ***but they haven’t said how.
    Eight of Australia’s biggest companies have signed a statement pledging to support the effort to keep global warming below 2 degrees celsius.
    The statement, signed by the likes of BHP Billiton, Wesfarmers, Santos and Westpac, said Australia “needs to play its fair part in global action” on climate change…
    ***However, beyond support for keeping temperature rises below 2 per cent, the statement had no suggestions on how to do it.
    In particular, it did not express a preference for direct action or emissions trading schemes.
    “We represent a diverse group of companies from the energy, resources, retail, infrastructure, technology, consumer goods, property, services, banking and finance sectors,” the statement read.
    “Together we employ over 620,000 people across 175 countries. Between us we provide products and services to the majority of Australians. We also emit around 12 per cent of Australia’s national greenhouse gas emissions.
    “We have come together because we acknowledge that climate change will continue to have serious implications for our customers, the community and the economy…
    The statement was signed by the chief executives of AGL, GE Australia, Mirvac and Unilever Australia, as well as the four companies listed above.
    The move came a day after Malcolm Turnbull was sworn in as Australian Prime Minister…
    http://thenewdaily.com.au/money/2015/09/17/deal-climate-change-say-big-corporations/

    on the other hand, Laura thinks they sincerely want to save the planet from CAGW! she adds UNILEVER to the list of companies we might want to contact with some facts and figures that do not support CAGW.

    16 Sept: AFR: Laura Tingle: CEOs push for Australia to play its ‘fair part in global action’
    Australia’s largest businesses have signalled they are expecting Australia to take a serious approach to emissions reduction at the looming United Nations climate change talks in Paris, to ensure an agreement is struck to keep global warming to less than 2 degrees above pre-industrial levels…
    The chief executives of AGL, BHP Billiton, GE, Mirvac, Santos, Unilever, Wesfarmers and Westpac have signed a joint statement…
    “These are risks we need to manage. Investing in Australia’s response to climate change will deliver significant economic, social and environmental benefits for us all.”…
    http://www.afr.com/news/policy/climate/ceos-push-for-australia-to-play-its-fair-part-in-global-action-20150916-gjo9pt

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    pat

    links to CAN-Europe report & Politico’s “leaked documents”:

    15 Sept: RTCC: Alex Pashley: EU policy ‘blind spots’ to hit credibility in Paris
    Brussels has yet to account for ‘staggering’ 6 billion tonnes of carbon cuts in post-2020 target, CAN-Europe warns
    As environment ministers meet to finalise its negotiating strategy this Friday, the 28-member bloc must give clarity on how it will meet its commitments, Climate Action Network Europe urged on Tuesday.
    The world’s third-largest emitting bloc could cut emissions by a mere 25% over the period 2021-30 compared with 1990 levels in a “worst case scenario,” the coalition of NGOs said in a report. (LINK)…
    CAN-Europe has identified a gap of 6 billion tonnes of CO2 equivalent hinged on pending decisions relating to its emission trading scheme and policies on forestry. That could see its output vary from 37-43 billion tonnes over 2021-30…
    According to leaked documents reported by Politico, there is resistance from some members to boost the level of ambition (LINK)…
    http://www.rtcc.org/2015/09/15/eu-policy-blind-spots-to-hit-credibility-in-paris/

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    pat

    16 Sept: RTCC: Ed King: China economic downturn could hit 2030 clean energy target
    Investors call on government to support renewables sector, which faces cash crisis as stock market woes intensify
    China’s slowing economy spells bad news for a goal to deliver 20% of its energy from fossil free sources by 2030, according to one of the country’s leading experts…
    Fei Teng, an associate professor with the Institute of Energy, Environment and Economy at the influential Tsinghua University said the economic slump was hurting renewables developers.
    “Most of their money comes from the stock market, so when it has problems generally they lose a very important financial channel and that’s what we have seen,” he told RTCC…
    http://www.rtcc.org/2015/09/16/china-economic-downturn-could-hit-2030-clean-energy-target/

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    David Maddison

    The latest nonsense I heard on their ABC today, I think it was on The World Today http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/, but it is not online yet was someone making the comment that air pollution causes disease (according to some report) so we must shut down “dirty” fossil production and replace it with “clean” alternate energy. The ignorance of these people is simply mind boggling. All modern fossil fuel use in advanced countries with pollution controls produces not much more than life-giving CO2 and water with some trace products.

    Of course, the irony is that because African and other third world places aren’t being allowed to have clean coal generated electricity, people continue to die at a massive rate due to indoor dung and wood cooking fires.

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      David Maddison

      Ok, here it is. Transcript will be available shortly but audio is there.

      http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2015/s4314282.htm
      2:18:05 17/09/2015

      Air pollution causing 3.3m premature deaths worldwide

      A new international report has found air pollution causes a staggering 3.3 million premature deaths worldwide. While most of the deaths occur in China and India and Australia’s air pollution deaths are relatively minor, one expert says there needs to do better analysis on deaths caused by traffic pollution.

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      bobl

      It’s actually much worse, the lack of electricity means that african dwellings are poorly constructed, inadequately insulated and sealed. This is an ideal environment for tropical disease to thrive. The result is things like the ebola outbreak. Ebola doesn’t live long outside the body (is far les contagious) where it is cold, if africa was air conditioned would the ebola outbreak have been as bad. If homes were constructed to western standards (which needs electricity), sealed from the weather and seepage, sewered ( or septic ) waste treatment with treated water supplies (all of which takes energy) how would that affect the death rate, without even considering dung cooking.

      Africa doesn’t need wells, or solar stoves, or windmills. It needs diesel generators and coal plants and distribution infrastructure. If the UN was at all interested in real people and poverty then they would target 100% of earth population having access to 95% reliable electricity – ie from diesel, gas or coal/nuclear.

      If the UN was really wanting to do something they would build and operate that infrastructure.

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        David Maddison

        It’s actually much worse, the lack of electricity means that african dwellings are poorly constructed, inadequately insulated and sealed.

        Very good point bobl. To construct Western style homes you really need electricity to run tools etc. and large amounts of electricity to manufacture the raw materials. We don’t think about things like this but just imagine if they had something as simple as a circular saw, it would enable them to cut straight edges. With straight edges you can make doors and windows that work etc. which means you can seal areas.

        Now, I know we in the West used to build things without electric tools but Western economies were always productive and had specialised builders etc.. In Africa few people are specialised because they all spend most of the time just trying to survive.

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    Bob Campbell

    “additional, predictable, and sustainable climate finance”
    This should be hard wired to reliability of model predictions.

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    el gordo

    ‘…that one has to prove whether it is climate change event or a natural event – when compensation is to be paid…’

    That seems fair, in the absence of global warming for almost two decades there is no need for money to change hands.

    Nothing unusual is happening, the system is operating naturally without undue forcing.

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    pat

    15 Sept: e360 Yale Forum: What Pope Francis Should Say In His Upcoming UN Address
    In a Yale Environment 360 forum, seven leading thinkers on the environment and religion describe what they would like to hear the pope say…

    Bill McKibben
    I think the pope has already done more than anyone could possibly ask: beautifully framed climate change for what it is, which is less an ‘environmental issue’ than an existential problem requiring a new/old way of looking at the planet. In concrete terms, the Roman Catholic Church does have large financial assets, which it uses to underwrite its many missions. It would be sweet if the pope said they were being divested from the fossil fuel industry, but really that work is up to the rest of us — in parishes, at Catholic colleges and universities, and so on…

    Katharine Hayhoe
    There’s just one thing he hasn’t said — yet. He hasn’t called out those who are using God’s name as a cover for greedy, short-term thinking, for actions and attitudes that reflect love of self more than love of others…

    Robert N. Stavins is the Albert Pratt Professor of Business and Government at Harvard University’s John F. Kennedy School of Government and a lead author of reports of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
    The pope rejects the use of carbon credits, because they “could give rise to a new form of speculation” and would “support the super-consumption of certain countries and sectors.” This rhetoric is straight from the playbook of the ALBA nations, the small set of socialist Latin American countries that are fearful of free markets and uncooperative in climate negotiations.
    If the pope intended to refer only to offset systems and not cap-and-trade, the rhetoric might be less objectionable, but no distinction is made.

    Robert Engelman is a senior fellow at the Worldwatch Institute, where he directs a project assessing research on family planning, population, and environmental sustainability.
    Considering humanity’s long future on earth, the most environmentally beneficial statement Francis could make would be to reverse the Catholic Church’s ban on effective modern contraception.
    ETC ETC
    http://e360.yale.edu/feature/what_pope_francis_should_say_in_his_upcoming_un_address/2910/

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    pat

    VIDEO: 16 Sept: UK Mirror: by Emily: Sir David Attenborough wants £10bn spent on clean energy to prevent climate change disaster
    “The Earth is now in danger,” warns the veteran broadcaster as he joins business leaders, scientists and politicians to urge new research programme
    He is one of 27 top scientists, business executives, politicians and academics who have called on nations to adopt the Global Apollo Programme.
    The scheme comes amid growing concern over climate change and, like John F Kennedy’s pledge to put a man on the moon within a decade, is inspired by a clear goal.
    It wants to make electricity from solar and wind sources cheaper than fuel from coal in every country within 10 years and find better ways to store and carry it.
    Sir David, 89, and leading figures such as Unilever chief executive Paul Polman have signed an open letter calling for action ahead of climate talks in Paris in December…
    The letter calls on governments to spend £10billion a year on clean energy development – arguing it will save them huge sums and bring down bills for billions of consumers.
    Key areas include ways of storing electricity, smart grids which balance supply and demand and solar and wind technology.
    Physicist Brian Cox , Former energy secretary Ed Davey, former cabinet secretary Lord O’Donnell and Astronomer Royal Lord Martin Rees also signed the letter…
    Caption: Support: Prof Brian Cox also signed the letter
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology-science/science/sir-david-attenborough-wants-10bn-6456009

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      Judas Priest, only £10 Billion ….. each and every year.

      You know, to generate the same amount of power being delivered by ONE new technology USC coal fired power plant in, umm 170 days.

      Tony.

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      ianl8888


      … smart grids which balance supply and demand

      Smart grid = centralised rationing

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        David Maddison

        Part of this smart grid nonsense is that you elect a certain electricity tariff such that you get a certain (relatively) low cost rate and reliable power for say 355 days per year but on the top 10 electricity demand days per year they take remote control of your biggest appliances (whether you be an individual or a business) and shed their load. Magically they have extra grid capacity. If you want electricity 24/7/365 you will have to pay big for it.

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          KinkyKeith

          We in Newcastle have been “shed’ during the heavy hot days of last summer.

          But we paid our bills?

          Back to the forties!!!!!!!!!

          We are also having an argument with our supplier regarding inspection of a pole.

          Bush fire inspection but also they claim they cant inspect the pole base because of concrete.

          EVERY POLE IS EMBEDDED IN CONCRETE otherwise it would FALL OVER.

          What is the world coming to?

          We are supposed to examine the pole underground by hiring a special $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ inspector which lets AUSGRID off the hook.

          KK

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      David Maddison

      I am very disapppointed in Attenborough. Why are all the big names in CAGW not even experts in the area? Not that anyone needs to be an expert to see the truth. One just needs common sense and an inquiring mind.

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    ScotsmaninUtah

    It’s my Industrial Revolution and I’ll do what I want to”

    In 1780-1850 when Britain had its Industrial Revolution the effects were huge and when it started the population was only 10+ million and it took approx 100 years.
    China and India are having their Industrial Revolutions with populations of 1+ Billion each.

    The quantities of materials and energy required to execute this change is beyond anything we have seen, and so when China says it’ll peak CO2 emissions in 2030 (in only 15 years )
    I have to ask…

    How on earth is this possible ?

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    Geoffrey Cousens

    Obama is exactly what he apears to be.Jeremy Corbin should end the whole thing in a heart beat,given he Piers younger brother.

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    King Geo

    Yes a “changing of the guard”. The idealistic West transitioning to 3rd World Status while the likes of China & India transitioning to “Economic Powerhouses”. Who would have thought this possible after WW2. Churchill & Eisenhower are no doubt rolling around in their graves. Australia should do OK during this “changing of the guard”, that is if the Coalition stays in power. The election of Turnbull as PM guarantees a Federal Election win, assuming of course that a snap election is called in the near future during the “Turnbull honeymoon period” while the relatively unpopular ALP leader, Shorten, takes on the mantle of “unpopular leader in the polls”, previously Tony’s domain. WRT “Climate Change”, it is better to “stick with the devil you know – the Turnbull Govt – than the devil himself – the Red ALP. I think Turnbull will tread carefully on the Climate Change Issue – if he becomes too obsessed with a “UN based ETS” he may well find his level of support compromised both from his party members and the electorate. Polls indicate that “Climate Change” is a “low ranking issue”. I am sure most of the electorate will not be impressed sending annual A$billion amounts to the UN to combat “non-existant GW”. This needs to be stressed by the Coalition in media releases (via Newscorp MSM outlets of course and not the ABC or Fairfax MSM outlets). The PM won’t like this strategy but his main focus will be retaining his “PM’s job” although others are indicating he is more driven by greed, ie why some say he is the Member for Goldman Sachs.

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      Unmentionable

      The global economy is spluttering badly right now and just about all debt-surged out. It seems rather fortuitous to have such a man of his caliber, skills and linkage in the seat of power at a time of potential historic global financial turmoil. We are indeed the lucky country once again, magnificent really, it’s almost like it was inspired.

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        Dennis

        Oh do not be taken in, I have been on pubic company boards and I am well aware of directors who claim to be experts who are not.

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      ianl8888


      The PM won’t like this strategy but his main focus will be retaining his “PM’s job” although others are indicating he is more driven by greed, ie why some say he is the Member for Goldman Sachs

      He is driven by vanity, he is a narcissist as is Rudd. Turnbull doesn’t need any more money, but the siren call of “Saving the Planet” (ie. Noble Cause Corruption) is likely irrestible to him – and very dangerous for us. The Godwin Grech affair showed us exactly what he is capable of when seized by his own-defined virtue

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    Dennis

    Just in case YOU missed this important historical record. why Christopher Monckton issued a warning

    http://stopturnbull.com

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    AndyG55

    No surprises at NOAA

    https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2015/09/17/noaa-refuse-to-publish-methodology-for-temperature-adjustments/

    Once a decent conservative government gets in power in the USA…

    THESE GUYS ARE TOAST !!!!

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    Aaron M

    I think this translates to: We’re very committed. We’ll do a lot. Don’t check up on us, just pay us.

    Damn straight.

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    pat

    17 Sept: AFR: Phillip Coorey: Malcolm Turnbull says ‘every policy… is always under review’
    Afterwards, sources said there would be thorough look at all policies, including a recent attempt by Tony Abbott to excise a section of the Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act to prevent third parties mounting legal challenges against mines and other developments…
    On Thursday, Mr Shorten played down the early polls, saying an immediate boost was typical after a coup.
    “I think if a drover’s dog – not to put too fine a point on it – had replaced Mr Abbott, whoever replaced Mr Abbott was going to get a lift in the polls. This was to be expected,” he said…
    “I hope that Mr Turnbull dumps Mr Abbott’s direct action [climate change] plan…
    http://www.afr.com/news/politics/contentious-laws-in-transit-face-chop-in-turnbull-review-20150916-gjoit8

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      el gordo

      “I hope that Mr Turnbull dumps Mr Abbott’s direct action [climate change] plan.”

      Not in the short term, Paris will come and go, then in the run up to the election the Turncoat aims to become Mr Consensus.

      He may even go to the extreme of splitting with the Nats over climate change, knowing that he will attract the support of Green and Labor voters.

      Risky strategy, but if that’s the way it goes then the Nats will have to contest every seat.

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    Ceetee

    Great article Jo, brings into focus so profoundly how this beast has morphed into the parasitic organism it always was destined to be. What Javadekar is saying is this: We want you in the affluent west to to continue being afflicted with your guilt (however ridiculous) and assuage such with large wads of the moolah. But since we are the meek and poor (and developing at a galloping pace with our meagre labour wages and crappy currency) we opportion blame on your shoulders for this opportune climate emergency and expect you to atone accordingly while we carry on as if Carbon Dioxiide were a supermarket commodity because after all, we’re entitled ( because we are poor and downtrodden).
    On another note I see you guys have had yet another coup, and the new guy is the consummate new age polly, the kind who nobody will ever know what he actually thinks. You must be so sick of that. Can’t blame you.

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