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Those devastating Queensland Election Results: Voters hate lies and the Carbon Tax

UPDATE: Is this a record? Has there ever been a loss this bad in Australian history? Conservatives likely to win 74 seats of an 89 seat parliament.

Labor was reduced to only 11 seats in 1974, and on latest counting tonight appeared set to retain only nine seats. Some analysts put the figure even lower, at seven. This would mean Labor falling short of official party status and relying on the incoming LNP government to grant it party offices, staff and resources. The Queensland Greens failed to win a seat and suffered a fall in support. [The Australian]

This is thread for all those who want to comment on this election. According to Bolt, things are not just bad, they’re seriously awful for the Labor Party. Newspoll says LNP (conservatives) 55%, Labor 26%. Channel Nines polls says Labor could be left with less than 10 seats!

The ABC’s election predictor at 8:26 has LNP on 67 seats, Labor on four, others five, doubtful 15. Absolutely catastrophic for Labor. The current leader of the Labor Party in Queensland is Anna Bligh facing a 13% swing against her, and will need preferences just to stay in Parliament.

 

March 24, 2012, will be remembered as the day the electorate delivered a decisive, devastating blow to an incumbent Labor government. Courier Mail

For non-Australians, Australia has seven states (technically 6 states and 2 territories), and in 2007 all the States and the Federal Government were Labor. Currently Liberal (meaning conservative) governments have won NSW, WA, and Vic and now look like taking a landslide in Queensland. These are the four largest states.

ERRATA: Streuth. Technically 6 states. 6!  Thanks to David W.

 

 

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    Andrew McRae

    It’s a Campbellanche!*
     
     
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    * = Credit to “Chaser Decides” for coining “Kevalanche” in 2007. Payback burns.


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      MudCrab

      Oh I don’t know Andrew.

      An avalanche is a bunch of falling rocks, which, while doing some damage often leaves survivors in small pockets under all the debris.

      A Kevakanche, going by the historical record and a little bit of backyard analysis of the soil layers, seems to be where you get 43% of the first preferences and/or inflict a 4.6% swing away from the ruling party. (not completely sure of the effects of the other mob still getting 42% of the primary – I have a Mr Jones working on that problem for me so I’ll get back to you). Baseline I think is that you must win 55% of the seats on offer and reduce the other mob to about 43% of the seats.

      Now since last night seems to have been a 49.5% of the primary compared to 26% and also at current counting gives Nr Newman 87% c.f about 8% of the seats, I am, and remember this is my prelim findings, starting to think that Campbellanche really doesn’t cut it as a scientific term.

      I think the correct term you may be looking for is “The Newman Extinction Event” :)


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        Andrew McRae

        Ah yes, I see where that is going. Well… to avoid ambiguity in cause versus effect we might even call it the SLOBBER Event : Sudden Labor Officials Brisbane Biodiversity Extreme Reduction Event.

        But this preliminary analysis has not even scratched the surface of the causes of Newman’s Extinction Event. Many will say the sudden biodiversity loss was triggered by a high carbon dioxide taxation atmosphere. Some will surely try to argue that the extinction leads the taxation in the polling record, or that the extinction was merely a regional effect with absolutely no global climate significance. As electoral analysis techniques improve we will find out which is the forcing and which is the feedback. :)

        Heheh. Newman’s Extinction Event. nice


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    Nice to know! Good luck, and perhaps it will let the rest of the world know to not impose such stupid taxes on fragile economies…

    For anyone wanting a bit of insight into why “liberal” has the opposite meaning in America than in British / Australian / New Zealand / Canadian? usage:

    https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2011/01/19/i-am-a-liberal/

    explores it a little bit. I use “Classi-Liberal” to designate the Classical Liberal (as in person who believes in liberty and individual freedomes) and American Social-Liberal (abbreviated ASo-Liberal ;-) to designate the corrupted term created by American Progressives after W.W.II to avoid their history…

    I find it very helpful in keeping things tidy.


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      Pooh, Dixie

      Look up “Jeffersonian Democracy” and you will find that Thomas Jefferson had an different concept of “Liberal” than used today. What is now termed “Liberal” is actually closer to “Federalist” conceptually. The left highjacked the word in the U.S.A.

      Remember:
      War is Peace
      Ignorance is Strength
      Freedom is Slavery

      Or did you not get the memo?


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    How sweet it is.

    There will be two electrical power bills spiking tonight.

    The first is in those Labor Ministry offices where those shredders will be running white hot.

    The second will be in Canberra offices of speech writers, as they try to spin this into ‘States Issues’.

    This result, no matter what anybody say, has the CO2 Tax as a healthy part of this humungous swing, and in my wildest dreams, not even I thought it would be this big, almost up beyond that monstrous swing in NSW.

    Watch Federal Labor Ministers come out this week and say that this has nothing to do with The CO2 Tax.

    While State Issues are the most important factor, that CO2 Tax is biting here, and what Labor needs to look at now, is the strength of this margin makes Brisbane seats especially look doubtful at that federal level, and I feel sure Wayne Swan has furrowed brows.

    You’ll hear nothing but spin from Canberra, but spin is all it is.

    If there’s one good thing about this result, it is that Anna Bligh herself will just barely hold her own seat, and with such a tiny number of Members now, it makes it difficult for her to retire, and possibly be punished if she does by losing that seat. Now, she has to stay there for at least one more term, as the head and heart of the Parliamentary wing are all gone. She has to stay on.

    This is a result that now, expressed across Australia at State level must send shivers up the collective Labor spine in Canberra, and now they will do all they can to hold out as long as possible.

    This sends a message, not from the media, not from critics, not from Bloggers, but from the PEOPLE.

    Now they have to take notice.

    Me, well, oddly, I am resident in one of the safest Labor seats in Queensland, Rockhampton, one of only 2 seats won by Labor North of the Brisbane River.

    Our former long term sitting member saw the writing on the wall, and resigned, and his replacement, despite suffering a huge swing against him has still retained Rockhampton for Labor, one member of a Party that is now so small.

    Tony.


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      The Black Adder

      Tony,

      As always, Your comments are spot on!

      I live in the seat of Mulgrave, and strike me pink! He (being ALP/Green) might still win!

      Bugger me! This hurts….

      In a rising tide of anger and a 16% swing, I`m still gonna lose! Bugger!

      I felt so good today voting for a common sense alternative, that hopefully will end this green madness!

      If I see another Wind Farm Aplication from now on approved, I will be pissed off…..

      Hey Eddy Aruda???

      Do you feel the same way if Mitt Romney wins the pre – selection.

      Happy but not totally satisfied!!!


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        I’ll bet even Bob Brown will be disowning this result, and also mentioning State Issues. So confident prior to the election, they got 1% less than last State election. There’s nothing he can spin here.

        In fact, going on the overall State percentages, The Greens would be lucky to have one quota if that result is extrapolated out to a Half Senate Poll.

        While Katter’s rabble mob may have done well in the North, the result was virtually a direct swap Labor to LNP.

        That Green result is, in my view a heartening insight that maybe Average Australians are seeing through the Greens at last, because what it does is point a finger directly at those who will spin State Issues here, and call lie to that statement, because if it was just State Issues, then there would be a drift from Labor to The Greens, and while Labor was whitewashed, there was no drift of disaffected rusted on Labor voters to The Greens, still unable to think of themselves of ever voting for a conservative politician.

        When the Greens lose ground like this, that, of itself, is an indicator.

        Bob Brown will not see it that way, well, publicly at least, but in his heart of hearts, this must be a worry for him too.

        Ever the spinner though, watch him claim how this was a great victory for the Greens.

        We know Bob, we know, and now we’re coming for you mate.

        Tony.


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          Stephen

          brown has no heart


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            LNP got less than 50% in 95% of electorates. Yes, in terms of seats they won a crushing result, in terms of vote % not so crushing.


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            Maxine,

            You have to be kidding. Not even you believe that.

            That’s 50% of the first preferences, and Maxine, your 95% is so bogus that you must be able to hear the Australia wide laughing from everybody who is here at this site reading it.

            Maxine, tell us what the 2PP is and keep in mind that was the criteria for Julia holding on at the last Federal election.

            Go on Maxine, do that exercise for us.

            I know a guy who has some shares in a Pine plantation. Perhaps you might be interested.

            Tony.


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            Tony, it is OPV in Qld, preferences play very little part.


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            Now how did I know that there’d be an extenuating circumstance.

            You are so predictable.

            I’m surprised you’re not claiming that this is an immense Labor triumph that is a vindication of Gillard Policies.

            Maxine, I think there is a word for how you are viewing this result.

            I’m not allowed to use the word, but deltaechonovemberindiaalphalima comes close.

            Tony.


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            Dave

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            Maxine
            OPV is an Offshore Patrol Vessel
            The photo at the top of the page is the ALP Optional Parliment Vehicle (OPV) for the Shadow cabinet
            Not the ALP federal OPV!

            You’re definitely not well today!

            Upset over something maybe?


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            Maxine
            March 25, 2012 at 12:31 pm

            LNP got less than 50% in 95% of electorates. Yes, in terms of seats they won a crushing result, in terms of vote % not so crushing.

            Fascinating insight Maxine. I called each of the 6 re-elected ALP members (but not Bligh, she a quitter) and told them what you said; you know, to make them feel better.
            Here is what each of them replied…

            1st one: #$!*% off you %^$#*&@ bastard
            2nd one: You mot&%^ ^%#@*& mongrel, that’s fuc*^& cruel
            3rd one: Slammmm bzzzzzzzz she hung up the phone
            4th one: Why you dirty bastard, go %^$*& yourself

            I didn’t have the courage to call the other 2 lol


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            Maxine,

            it seems that in an effort to belittle the result, you just flat out lied, didn’t you.

            You mention above in comment 3.1.1.1.1 that:

            LNP got less than 50% in 95% of electorates.

            Just a lie, Maxine, a blatant lie.

            In actuality, the LNP polled over 50% of the Primary vote in 51 of the 89 seats, making it 58% umm, a little more than your stated lie of 5%.

            Oh, and contrary to your statement without a link providing evidence, here’s the actual link.

            http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/election2012/qld-election-results

            Also, contrary to your scoffing response at 3.1.1.1.3 it seems that even Antony Green is using 2PP, which places the LNP at 50%+ in every winning seat of the 74 they have won so far, and here’s the link for that.

            http://www.abc.net.au/elections/qld/2012/guide/latest.htm

            Maxine, you wonder why we don’t take you people seriously.

            Even when caught out in a blatant lie, you still don’t even blink.

            Pants on fire Maxine.

            Tony.


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            Oh Maxine, I now see that what you wrote was in fact a typo.

            You really meant Labor and not LNP.

            Naah!

            Even that’s wrong, because Labor didn’t even manage 50% in ONE seat.

            In fact, the highest Primary percentage Labor got was Inala with 47.1%.

            Tut tut Maxine.

            Spin that!

            Tony.


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            MaxL

            Actually Tony, you’ve heard of imaginary numbers.
            Just put a j in front of Maxine’s numbers and you can see that she operates in a different dimension. One in which no work gets done.


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            A look at the ABC scoreboard so far for the Qld election shows LNP still under 50% of the vote. ALP on 27%.

            I don’t like FPTP or OPV. Maybe Qld should adopt a form of Proportional Voting? Because the result in terms of seats is way out of kilter with votes cast.

            For whatever idiot who didn’t know what OPV is (and for him I spelled out PR in full, poor petal, he must be special) it stands for Optional Preferential Voting, basically a First Past the Post system, notorious for giving results way out of kilter with the votes cast. Such as this result.

            I have not, despite stupid comments, tried to spin this as a win for Labor, gee what do some of you smoke?


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            Maxine,

            the old proportional representation crock again, eh!

            Note how that is Green policy, and in fact they scream out for it, well obviously really, as it’s the only REAL way they can actually get to hold a seat.

            Then, without even pausing for breath, Bob Brown, so often screaming for proportional representation says that we need a One World Government, with one man one vote one value, and then without even pausing for another breath says that means two representatives from each Country in a World Lower house. This gives China two representatives and Australia will also have its two representatives.

            So, effectively, with China having a population 61 times greater than Australia, they get the same representation as Australia.

            One man one vote one value. Really.

            I’m glad you raised that crock you say you support Maxine.

            As to the vote on the weekend.

            Following each election Governments then redistribute boundaries according to population. Because it’s done by sitting Governments, there is very very very careful scrutineering to ensure that even though it looks good on the surface wrt population numbers, what it does do is make that Government’s chances better at any subsequent elections, ‘Gerrymandering’ if you will, but much more subtle than it used to be, hence if that sitting Government is to lose, then an Opposition needs to get well beyond required swings.

            Maxine, they all do it, and Labor, while paitned by the likes of you as ‘pure as the driven snow’ is doing exactly the same thing.

            And Maxine, please don’t try and change the subject away from the lie you originally said.

            58% of LNP seats got greater than the 50%+, and you directly lied when you said 5%.

            Again, you also try and spin off in another direction by mentioning FPTP and OPV, again falsely asserting that Queensland results are out of kilter.

            Maxine, had you asked your seeing eye dog to actually compare one link I provided with the other, (and see how easy it is to lure you into a trap) you will see that those First preference percentages are all different from the 2PP at the ABC site.

            Spin spin spin Maxine.

            That’s all you have here.

            Tony.


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          MudCrab

          Pretty much the same conclusions I had been making.

          In the violence of the Newman Extinction Event most people seem to be forgetting about Bob Browns Brave Band of Beatniks.

          As has been pointed out, this is a vote in Queensland where the ruling ALP has been seen to have failed and where, according to some at least, they are in a state that has suffered the full effects of global warming driven floods and cyclones.

          Brown has told us time and time again that The Greens are a valid alternative party to vote for, yet this weekend, when given the biggest gift horse moment they could have hoped for, they actually LOST votes. And when you only have 8.4% to start with, a 0.8% swing against your party literally means some TEN PERCENT of your support base has ditched you.


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          Aussie

          and what I find so odd, and ridiculous is that the watermelons were still talking about getting that extra QLD seat in the next Senate half-election. They failed to get the seat in the last election. Bob Katter’s mob will certainly help to make a dent in that support… and good for them if it stops those dumb watermelons from getting another Senate seat.


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        Bob of Castlemaine

        Adder, there is a component of ALP “rusted-on” voters who I’m sure would enthusiastically support their party even with Saddam Hussein as leader. Mulgrave must be a seat that has a high proportion of these tribal ALP supporters.


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        Adder,

        It is my stated policy not to comment on Australian politics.

        As I have said before, it always gets down to the money and people start paying attention when you reach into their wallet.

        Mitt will probably get the Republican nomination unless it goes to a brokered convention. Even then, he is the odds on favorite.

        It doesn’t matter who the Republican nominee is. The only way Obama will win reelection is if the economy turns around in spite of his anti business policies.

        If the Republicans hammer Obama on his energy policies and gas prices stay high, we will have a Republican President, they will gain control of the senate and expand their majority in the house.

        At that point, the taxpayer funded global warming gravy train will come off the rails! And then “it” will roll downhill.

        Then again, I don’t have a crystal ball.


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      Bob Massey

      Too late Tony but your spot on the money. Peter Beattie reckons this has nothing to do with federal Policies, boy is he in for a shock.

      They’re incompetent at running a government, reading the electorate and the many other issues they have botched but hey the next Federal election can’t come soon enough.

      Juliar better get ready for the same treatment.


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      brc

      Brisbane seats especially look doubtful at that federal level, and I feel sure Wayne Swan has furrowed brows.

      The two state seats that make up Wayne Swans federal seat swung heavily to the LNP, and I don’t think they expected to pick them up. They were safe Labor seats with 15% margins IIRC.

      Wayne Swan must be crapping himself at the thought. He can hardly resign before the next election.


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      The shredders were running all last week, Tony. And many of the most conspicuous political appontments have been cashing in some very generous voluntary redundancy pay-outs for months now.

      The most likely leader of the rump non-party is Anastasia Palaszuk, daughter of Henry P, the goose who led the veto over the Woolfdene Dam, the absence of which led to the redundant $9 billion water grid. The party may be gone but their poisonous legacy, “the evil that men do, lives after them”.


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        That Wolfdene Dam is a sore point in SEQ, and in fact is tied inexorably to The Greens.

        Labor, under Wayne Goss, was swept to Office in Queensland in December of 1989. Wayne Goss’ Chief of Staff on election was Kevin Rudd.

        The election result was on the Saturday night. On the Monday morning, the first thing Kevin Rudd did was to start the ball rolling to can the Wolfdene Dam.

        This was part of repayment to The Greens, still a fledgling Party at the time. However, canning Wolfdene was ‘thanks’ to The Greens for directing their preferences to Labor.

        Had Wolfdene gone ahead, there would have been no real need for that horrendously expensive and now mothballed Desal plant, or the Water Grid (make work jobs so the Government can say they somehow created jobs).

        As to preferential voting, now we have that ‘Just Vote One’ here in Queensland, where you only need to place the number one alongside your voting choice, and there is no need to number every box. Now, oddly, that is proving to be a two edged sword as preferences are not saving some Labor Party politicians as votes exhaust after that Number 1.

        Even so, I still religiously number every square, and again, that’s probably just a personal quirk I guess. This way, I always have that personal satisfaction of putting Labor last.

        Tony.


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          Aussie

          Didn’t they bring that in for the 1989 election? I voted in the seat of Mundingburra in 1989. I note that this was a seat that fell to the LNP in this election… Considering the large aboriginal population in that electorate the result is remarkable.


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    Mr T

    I have seen “commentators” up here in Queensland saying this election was fought on state issues only -however, most people I have talked to hate Julia and her communist mates in the Labor-Green Alliance and the carbon (dioxide) tax.
    We want a federal election now so we can clean the communist scum out of Canberra.
    The ALP brand is garbage.

    c


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      J.H.

      I think there State issues were quite important in Qld Labor’s massive loss tonight…. However there is also a huge crossover and blowback on Federal Labor. Labor in General is well and truly on the nose…. It is because of Lies…. Bligh lied about the fuel rebate and was not honest with the Privatization in order to get elected…. and Gillard will rue the day she lied to win an election also. “There will be no Carbon Tax under the Government that I lead.” will be the epitaph on her political gravestone.

      Once people lie…. It is over. The trust is gone. The respect is gone….. Labor is gone.


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    Mark

    Me, well, oddly, I am resident in one of the safest Labor seats in Queensland, Rockhampton, one of only 2 seats won by Labor North of the Brisbane River.

    I know that feeling Tony, being resident in the NSW Federal seat of Cunningham. So many of the denizens will tell you how much they disagree with what Labor does but being congenitally stupid, they can’t find it in themselves to vote any other way.

    Bluescope Steel will probably shut up shop in about five years. The “carbon” tax will be the straw that breaks the camel’s back. What’s Joolya gonna do, borrow another billion or so to shore up Bluescope and the local member? Nothing would surprise me with that woman, that’s for sure.

    Stop Press: state of the parties at 10:00 pm is now:
    LNP 78
    ALP 7
    KAP 2
    Ind. 2
    ALP may not qualify for Party status!


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    Glen Michel

    As expected ! But the subsidising of fuel for queenslanders was unfair- and I don’t have to explain that point to others here. Frankly speaking, I reckon nothing much will change ; it will remain an intellectually impoverished province for the foreseeable future and beyond.


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      brc

      Glen – the Fuel ‘subsidy’ was because QLD didn’t have a state level fuel tax. The state fuel taxes were found to be unconstitutional IIRC, so the Feds added the tax and gave the money to the states instead. So QLD refunded the money to the voters by paying the subsidy, in effect keeping the fuel free of state taxes.

      It wasn’t a subsidy, it was the result of the formerly-low-tax state trying to stay that way. Which all changed with the Beattie-Bligh spend-a-thon.

      Oh, and by the way, you can take your southern state self-imposed intellectual superiority and shove it. If it wasn’t for QLD and WA you’d all be singing for your supper. If QLD can get back to working and developing again, it will save this country.

      Campbell Newmans’ victory is important for all of Australia, not just for sending Canberra a message, but for hopefully being able to restart the growth engine for the country. Let me tell you, a bunch of unionised Victorians begging for handouts isn’t going to make the country any better.


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        J.H.

        Well said brc…. Spot on.


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        gnome

        But BRC- it was only a few years ago that Newcastle had more coal loading capacity than all of Queensland combined (and I think Port Kembla was about the same as the biggest in Qld at the time.)

        They’ve all moved on a bit except for Port Kembla, but NSW reamins one of Australia’s most productive economies. Qld doesn’t need the subsidies at the moment, but that could change anytime, especially with “Can-spend” Campbell in charge. He has been trained in spending by the military.

        Be nice.


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          brc

          With all respect ‘Glen’ above is repeating the tired and tiring meme that all Queenslanders are dumb rednecks, and that the only route to Australian enlightenment is being born in a southern Capital City, preferably Melbourne.

          When productive and growing states start receiving lectures from backwards looking union strongholds, and then receiving the bill for the lecture straight afterwards, it starts wearing a bit thin.

          The point with Queensland is that it could easily have the largest economy in Australia, if only the growth possibilities were properly utilised. Queensland has some of the best resources, best tourism, best weather and the most scope for expansion. Instead of expanding and developing, we get $275 million thrown at a foreign-owned, unproductive car company in Melbourne and Adelaide.

          Queensland has every possibility of being as important to Australia as Texas is to the USA. If only politicians would let investors get on with it.


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            Kevin Moore

            They weren’t making a loss, they just said give us $275 million or else we leave. Are they being subsidised or did Julia succumb to extortion?


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        Yup, WA has been a client state until the mining boom started and will be one again in 20 years when the mining boom is over. Thanks to the MRRT some of the mining wealth will remain in the country—and stacks of countries are now introducing similar schemes.

        Best tourism, best weather—npt lately, thanks to a high dollar and two summers of floods.

        Whether Qld would boom with unfettered mining that depends—most of the mining profits head overseas.


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          Aussie

          Maxine that is an extremely stupid comment and shows that you know nothing about tropical regions in Australia.

          There are only two seasons in Queensland – the Wet and the Dry. People are stupid if they go to Queensland for a visit in the Wet season which takes in the “summer” because like it says… it is the wet season.

          Not only is it the Wet season, it is also the season for a higher level of stingers on the beach as well as being the season for cyclones.


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      Aussie

      buddy you are so wrong in what you say about Queenslanders. I am a Victorian by birth. I have lived in Townsville for the period of 1 year.

      Academically Queensland is ahead of the other states, and that is what I observed in Townsville.

      On top of that Queensland has a large “immigration” population, meaning people have come from NSW and Victoria in particular to live in Queensland.

      Unfortunately there are some stupids who live in QLD… they vote for the Green Party.


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    In my line of work, I talk to a lot of people each day. The feedback I’ve been getting is quite straightforward and succinct.

    What destroyed Labor and it’s leader Anna Bligh was the lies at the last election re: asset sales and fuel subsidy, and the waste of billions of dollars. Many people can not fathom how a rich state can possibly be in such large debt. People equate this waste with the higher costs they face almost on a daily basis (electricity, transport, car registration etc).

    For me, the really big news from this election (and I doubt you’ll hear much from the MSM about this) is that one might have expected jaded Labor voters may have gone across to the Greens. They didn’t. The Greens did not win a single seat, did not get a swing towards it at all. This tells me that the current federal model has failed in the eyes of the electorate.

    Federal labor will be very very worried about this result.


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      Rereke Whakaaro

      Baa,

      There are a lot of Green party workers in and around the Wellington Parliamentary campus, for a Sunday.

      Of course this may be totally unrelated to what is going on on your side of the ditch, but coincidences do have a habit of being caused by something.


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        Mark D.

        but coincidences do have a habit of being caused by something.

        Whenever I say things like that people accuse me of believing conspiracy theories……..


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      I think you are right, re the elimination of the fuel rebate in particular.

      Dunno what CanDo can do about it, the state is in a deficit and there is still lots of work to do repairing infrastructure. CanDo can’t expect Gillard to bail him out like Beatty did several times when CanDo was mayor.


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        Yeah!
        You’re right Maxine.

        We should have stuck with Bligh!

        I mean, what’s $90 Billion in debt these days. Nothing really.

        Man, what were we thinking!

        Maybe we can persuade her not to resign her seat, and find a way to nullify the result.

        Tony.


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      This was pretty much a “Get Labor” election (and they deserved it, just like Howard deserved to lose Govt & his seat in 2007, and special interest groups don’t get much of a look in. Applying this to the Federal sphere is a big stretch.

      Only consolation for Labor is the huge size of CanDo’s backbench and Nat-Lib resentments will see the result change next election very markedly. In SA Labor were reduced to 11 seats in the LA, they were back in govt 2 elections later.

      CanDo can’t do much either, no money to splash around. Beatty bailed him out a couple of times as mayor, doubt Gillard will. That will also sour the electorateon the LNP.


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        The big problem we have here is how Labor poisoned the well, not only for the LNP Government but for the whole of Queensland, leaving the State with a debt larger than NSW and Victoria combined.

        Very little of that was said in the lead up to the election.

        Care to comment on that Maxine.

        Tony.


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    Bye Bye Greens!!!!!! :)


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      Greens….not a single f$%&’n seat!

      …ahhh! Life is good Juliar…

      I`m gonna crack another one…


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      mobilly1

      Now they need a new job , Why cant we retrain them , Bring them out in to the Sunshine with dark sunglasses for 2 weeks , So their eyes can adjust to the uv,Once they get some vitamin D we can then employ them Building Dams in Eastern Australia .
      Watermelons anyone ,They dont do anything , But they do have nutritional value.
      (Sarc off)
      Juliar and the Black Adder cheers.


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    incoherent rambler

    Message for federal ALP. Go now to an election and lose, OR wait and be decimated.

    Where are the trolls, I am curious how they will spin the idea that 70% of the QLD electorate do NOT like the ALP.


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    pattoh

    Gee whiz! Does anybody else think there may be a cultural shift in the MSM ( & in particular the ABC) in the very near future.

    My bet a few political commentators like Tony Jones & J. Holmes may be toning it down a bit, particularly if the Commonwealth Government lasts long enough to see some of the real results of their policies.


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    cui bono

    Well done to Queenslanders from a sympathetic Brit.

    Our faddish nincompoop prime minister Cameron actually wrote to congratulate your PM when she got the carbon tax through. Please be assured that this does not represent the views of most of us who take an interest in Australia and want an end to expensive stupidity everywhere.


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    John Trigge

    No problems getting a shadow portfolio in the ALP though.

    It would be a dubious distinction on one’s CV.


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    I am with pattoh March 24, 2012 at 9:53 pm on this one, how long before the MSM recognises it is time to switch sides and blast Labour on their performance to curry favour with the incoming Government.


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      A.C. Osborn, the MSM are fans of Big-Government, they would only become “fans” of a Lib leader if the Libs became the Labor Party (ie, if Turnbull got back in). Even then, their fickle fandom would vanish in a week. Watch them repeat that it’s a State vote, and find tipping points where the National ALP “finally” gets momentum… “reaches the bottom”… the QLD results “shakes them into a new paradigm”… want me to go on?


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        Gee, Jo, you don’t know much about journalism either. Have you not noticed one T. Abbott being the subject of more attention lately? His subsidised nannies scheme for one!


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    I have been listening, tonight, to many Labor party types, & their apologists like Kerry O’brien, shouting from the roof tops that this wonderful result has no bearing on the national vote.

    Well I’m sorry, [no I'm not], to tell you it has at least one large bearing. It says loud & clear, we don’t like bare faced liars. If in no other way, it says very clearly, ladies you lied to us outright, to buy an election, now you get yours. Just in passing, it says to ordinary members, control your leaders. If you let them lie, then vote for the lie, you’ll share the rough end of the baseball bat we will take to your leaders.

    Anna promised no asset sales, just before the election. It was of no real interest to me, either way. What effected me was when we found it had been a straight out lie. I started oiling the baseball bat that night.

    Well, we’ve got rid of her as a force on our lives tonight.

    Now the other one. The no carbon tax lie did matter to me, so this one is personal. That bat will be soaking in oil for a while now, to make it even more effective.

    I am a little surprised at how much I want to apply that bat to the bottle red head. I have never been a vindictive person. So there’s another thing against Labor, they have made me carry a grudge. I guess the only way to eradicate this new trait will be to use that bat, as hard as possible.


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      Yes, Hasbeen, I just like to watch them bleed. And I love the fact that there is more to come.

      And there was a whole lot more to the result than just lies about asset sales. This was a government that seriously believed they could swap payroll systems for 60,000 hospital and medical staff without running the new and old system in parallel. And instead of reverting to the old system, or even taking it back off-line and employing 600 payroll clerks to do it manually at $15 million for 6 months, they tried to fix it while on-line and blew another $200 million on the $40 million project.


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      Solsa

      Let me get this straight – vote out governments that lie. But that means you want to vote in Abbott, who is on public record as saying you can’t believe anything he says unless you get it in writing, and his predecessor Howard with his “non-core promises”.

      Seems to me a lot of people have _very_ short memories – maybe too many of those “cold ones” eating the brain cells.


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    Davis Young

    ALP at single figures – fantastic result. 70% of exit polls reveal that the number one driver was “cost of living pressures”.
    Ignore that at your peril Ms Gillard.
    A couple of points to note – first election where conservative forces were represented by a single united LNP (Liberal National Party). No confusion about where to vote or splitting vote between two candidates.
    Newman as Lord Mayor of Brisbane had a demonstrable track record of success running an enterprise with a budget bigger than the state of Tasmania. He is as well known as Bligh after the 2011 floods. In fact he is the first conservative Premier from Brisbane in the states history because previous conservative coalition governments have all been dominated by National (Country) Party representation.


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    “Given the deep, abiding and widespread anger of the ordinary Australian over this gross betrayal of trust, I cannot think of a possible outcome scenario at the next general election (and boy, can I think outside the box), which does not produce an evisceration of the ALP and the complete destruction of its green party allies.”

    http://thepointman.wordpress.com/2012/03/16/the-climate-wars-revisited-or-no-truce-with-kings/

    After the next general election, all that’ll be left of the ALP MPs will be able to go to Canberra in a couple of taxis …

    Pointman


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      Gday Pointman,

      As Always your Lordship appreciates your finery on all subjects!!! :)

      Your cutting and inciteful expose of all things climate is beautifully represented in this following paragraph…

      `Fakegate was the final hammer blow. A high-profile climate scientist committing identity theft, wire fraud and possibly document forgery, has kicked any remaining integrity supports out from underneath them, especially as he was the chair of the American Geophysical Union’s Task Force on Ethics in Science. As a source to use for arguments from authority, they’re now a joke.`

      Phewww.. got em there big fella!!!! Good Call!

      Honestly, what can John Bloody Brookes say about that?


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      G’Day M’Lud. JB’ll drag it back to a discussion about sea levels or something. Tough times for the trolls …

      Pointman


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    Prompete

    Hasbeen. The bat may be just a little harsh, just a little HB. Pencil tick will do. Lying will just bounce people…. What are these ‘advisors’ thinking? Let’s see if the “convoy of no consequence” has quite a big consequence in the near future!


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      J.H.

      Yes…. Albo will eat his words. He did himself no favors the day he ridiculed the voters of Australia for being of no consequence.


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        That was a pretty good label for a pathetic little demo.

        Notice none of the Libs fronted the latest anti “Carbon Tax” rally and even the Parrot only addressed then via phone? Not only that polling shows that action on climate change still has majority support, as does the MRRT.

        I don’t think Albo will have cause to worry about The Convoy of Inconsequence.

        Re cost of living, Colin Barnett has hiked the cost of utilities sky high so by that theory he will be turfed next election?


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      gnome

      That Convoy of no Consequence will be the former Labor members and their hangers-on leaving Canberra after the next election to look for jobs outside politics for a while.


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    Leo G

    Dante’s eighth circle of hell, wherein punishment is meted out for sins of conscious fraud or treachery, was reached by descending the ridge of a winged serpent- a wivenhoe in Old English.


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    What’s the difference between my Ford and the Labor Party?

    My Ford has more seats…boom boom


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      The Black Adder

      Guess what Baa…

      A Toyota Tarago has more seats than the QLD ALP…..

      bwahahahahahahahahaaa rolling on the floor… trying not to spill my beer…

      more seats than a tarago… bwahahahahahahaaa..

      Yes Anna, we really feel sorry for you and the greens…hahahahaha

      currently the alp has 7 seats, you can get 15 drunk uni students in a mini!!


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        rukidding

        more seats than a tarago… bwahahahahahahaaa..

        Or do you mean the whole ALP opposition will fit in a Tarago.:-)


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          The Black Adder

          Doh! Yes, I get what you mean….

          let me rephrase that…

          bwahahahaha the ALP has less seats than a Tarago… hahaha rolling on floor..

          ..laughing a lot… not spilling beer… but drinking it!! hic..hic


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          Streetcred

          ALP aren’t an opposition unless they get 10% of the seats available, so alp can all fit into the Torago and still have space as a pirate taxi !


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      Hey Baa, that was funny as hell. I hope I can steal your joke after our elections! ;-)


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    joanne

    Julia, take note. I hope your speech writers are tonight writing your speech for when you concede defeat at the next Federal election which, I hope, will be sooner rather than later. You are going down. No amount of spin will get you out of this one.


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      I hope a lesson she takes from this is to keep the concession speech short. Anna carried on far too long, when no-one cared anymore what she had to say.


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    George

    The best comment of the night:

    “Labor smells like a used nappy.”


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    Matty

    Long term implicatons for QLD Labor. How do you act as a visible and credible opposition with half a dozen people – whoever they are!

    Wait for a few well aimed (subtle) barbs from Kevin Rudd.


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      Oddly, Kevin will be the only gleeful Labor person tonight.

      This result ensures that, no matter what, he will announce that he will not seek re-election at the next Federal poll.

      (Snicker snicker Kev thinks to self.

      Hi Ho, Hi Ho, it’s off to the UN I go.)

      Tony.


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        The Black Adder

        Once the NEW Govt. get in and investigate theHEINER AFFAIR !!!…

        Kev won`t be so happy then….

        Hi ho hi ho its off to jail we go….


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          And the Governor General, Chief of Staff to Goss at the time,won’t be too happy either.


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          The Heiner Affair? Oh wow! Does even Akerman still mention that non-existent “affair”?

          One thing Campbell won’t do is waste a micro second on that confection of the Cane Toads inebriated mind!

          I actually checked that out, it is a complete furphy, I guess something to be dragged out when he couldn’t think of what to write in his next column.

          However, I hope one of the many no hoper oncer takes it up in a big way. A smear like that will tarnish the LNP but good!


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            `a complete furphy`

            Is that what you call the rape of a young aboriginal girl and subsequent cover-up by QLD Govt. Authorities and the subsequent shredding of documents, authorised by none other than the chief of staff, Mr Kevin Bloody Rudd!

            No bloody smear! What the hell are you talking about?

            Yeah, Maxine, a real furphy…


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        rukidding

        Oh I don’t know about the UN.Where did Julia put Kevie up with the back bencher’s.I can smell a challenge coming on.
        Tell Bob Carr not to bring his books he won’t be there long enough.:-)


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        Do you reckon Kev may develop some more seeps/leaks on the way out (just for fun)?

        There was a hell of a lot of infrastructure construction in NSW under Carr with Public Private Partnerships &, from memory, the state budgets managed to stay largely out of deficit. It was a lot easier to stay in power delivering the “promises” while having cash in the budget (& having a lot of big corporate friends).

        Pity he had & still has a philosophical problem with the coal fired power industry though.


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          the private venture partner was …. the Macquarie Bank….

          and where did the Carr wreck go when he decided to quit so that he would not have to face a corruption inquiry?…. the Macquarie Bank.


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    Ross

    Unlike Julia, Campbell has a mandate to govern. Let’s get rid of half the public service which provides no such “public” service. All of us have friends who laugh about their conditions, pay, increases, benefits and how little they have to do I’d like to see them survive in the private (real) sector where your income is not guaranteed and where stupid government decisions can kill businesses.
    Call an election Gillard. You have no right to make the changes you are making. And that you said you wouldn’t.
    Thank God for today. My faith is restored in my fellow Queenslanders. We’re not stupid.

    The Labor Party are supported by Battlers. Isn’t the point of battling, to win??? Or keep battling. They’re basically saying “I’m a loser and I like to keep losing”.

    If I hear them talk about the education revolution one more time !!! Our standards have dropped and we are the laughing stock of the region.

    Well done Qld. Good luck Campbell


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      Oh dear, how stupid and ignorant you Lib fanbois are, barely capable of regurgitating Lib lies.

      Gillard promised a mechanism to price carbon and that is what we got. It is not a carbon tax.


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        My My Maxine – we are still angry about something.

        You say “It is not a carbon tax” – but your mate Juliar Gillard on her way to Korea said:

        there will be no changes to the carbon tax which begins in less than 100 days

        Max: Are you in charge of ALP PR in QLD now?


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        Goanna

        Escuse me MNaxine
        Can I get some of what your taking


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    i hope this resalt give massage to ALP PM julia Gilard pack her stuff in advanced [snip. Jake of uncertain email, please write more carefully - Jo]


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    Mr T

    I see I am not the only one getting pissed celebrating the annihilation of Labor in Queensland – can’t wait for the re-run with Gillard and the other turkeys in Canberra – I think I’ll order a keg for that one!!


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    Slabadang

    Got to love the people in QL!

    Now encourage the partys to defund the ABC. Its just a mouthpeace for the Labour and Greens. Thats the utmost important action you have to demand to restore your democracy in Australia. If you allow the individuals with power and influence in ABC to carry on democracy will be infested with lefties bias and gouvernment loyality. Its more important to change the power held in ABC than to change the power in parliament. Go after ABC!!!


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    Eye

    Labor can see in my eyes I know something they don’t. Reality is it’s that I knew 80 seats more than them. lol and I’m just a bumhead.


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    Sceptical Sam

    This is an excellent message to the incompetent Labor/Green fraudsters in Canberra. I bet they’ve got the wind up. They’re spinning but losing power as quick as a Wonthaggi turbine.

    Message to (what’s his name?) Turnbull: Carbon Dioxide taxes bring governments down.


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    Labor has been wiped out in Queensland. But don’t expect the same result at the federal election.

    The issues are related but different and while the new Queensland Premier Campbell Newman is popular and exudes an honesty I can’t say the same for Tony Abbott.

    Abbott’s policies on so many issues that matter federal are terrible.

    Go to the federal Liberal home page and click on the environment policy and this is what you get: “Tony Abbott and the Liberals stand for real action to tackle the complex challenges of climate change, energy security and water scarcity.”

    There is no water scarcity: the drought broke with flooding rains about 18 months ago. We need a federal government that acknowledges the need to plan for natural climate variability. We don’t need subsidies for businesses that want to sequest carbon as proposed by Mr Abbot.

    Read more and it gets worst. http://www.liberal.org.au/Issues/Environment.aspx


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      Campbell Newman is probably more ‘wet’ than Abbott on these issues, though it is hard to tell because he refused to comment much on things like global warming etc, sensing there only lay electoral problesm there, he was running a small target strategy.

      What is the same as Abbot and Newman is this :
      - both facing sitting ALP leaders who lied to win the prior election
      - both facing an unprecedented personal vile attack campaign. Those outside of QLD would be surprised at how vicious it was

      Tony Abbot only needs a 1% swing to win. Newman needed 7% and got 15%.

      If things proceed as they are, Abbott has it in the bag.

      I agree that the Libs environment policy is a shambles, but again they need to run a small target strategy and dismantle the various environment quangos once in government when nobody cares anymore.


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        Paul R

        I’m not so sure, I think that maybe at a federal level both major parties have signed up to the UN agenda, we know the Greens read it like pornography.
        It will be interesting to see how they manage to manoeuvre the member for Goldman Sachs back under the spotlight between now and Gillard’s departure.


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          Joe V.

          Isn’t being signed up to UN Agenda 21 prerequisite for being a mainstream politician.

          Cameron’s UK ConDemocrat Government is thoroughly committed to the Green Agenda.


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        Oh, it isn’t as simple as that. Tone has promised to rescind lots of “taxes” but not the associated spending. He has promised a ton of middleclass welfare and yet he has a $70Bn black hole to fund first. With all these futile promises to rescind/roll back these taxes he is not running a small target strategy, is he?

        How come none of you lot can THINK?


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      Truthseeker

      Jennifer, you may be talking sense about the current policies of the Liberal party, but this result in Queensland was not so much a vote for the conservative parties, it was a vote against the Labour and Green parties.

      No one likes politicians very much and the vote is usually about who you hate the least. Well at the moment, the amount of hatred there is for the Labour Party and the Greens means that the Liberal and National Parties will get a massive vote.


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        It is Labor Party, no ‘u’ thick and pig ignorant you little bunch of Lib fanbois with no idea at all of the real world. A superfluous u is no big deal but the fact you don’t know it is Labor just shows you up for an ignoramus.


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      Jon at WA

      I have to agree Jennifer. Queenslanders have replaced one group of Party politicians with another. Both sides of politics are remote from their electorates, full of solicitors and spin doctors who have never done a days work, and addicted to the public purse. There isn’t community based political representation like in some states of the USA.
      In saying this I note the landslide against Labor has been to the extent, that LNP candidates from outside the Party cohort have won seats. These people are not career politicians, have a stronger bond to the electorate than the Party Machine, and may ask some hard questions in the Party room.
      So there may be some hope for those of us stupid enough to work for a living.


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      mobilly1

      There never was and will never be water scarcity(Scare city ) this is pure Propaganda , Our planet is covered in water , The only problem is our Governments wont put in the Infrastructure to Supply Water. Wonder why?


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      The Black Adder

      I heard you on Radio National today Jen!

      You go girl! Well done and well done Counterpoint.

      I do not have the link, but Jo, get hold of it!

      Finally an ABC show without bias… wonders will never cease.


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    rukidding

    Julia may have thought that the Australian public had moved on from the “no carbon tax under a government I lead” but no they are just waiting behind the wood shed with a big stick in there hand getting madder every day.
    Only state politics.Don’t you believe it Julia.:-)


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    I thought we had 6 states and 2 territories.

    You didn’t forget beautiful Tassie, did you Joanne?

    I take offence as many of my ancestors were from Tasmania (well they were “transported” there, at least … hehe).


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    Stephen Harper

    Australia has six states and two territories. (Well, if you don’t count the Socialist Republic of Tasmania – and I could understand it if you didn’t – it is five states and two territories.)

    This election is a once in two-hundred years event. It’s the biggest landslide in over 100 years of Australian elections and it will probably be another 100 years before we see the likes of it again. In fact, the world “landslide” does not nearly do justice to the absolutely emphatic repudiation of Anna Bligh and her Labor government; and especially the disgusting gutter politics. It is an annihilation, pure and simple. Labor, reduced to a rugby sevens team (forget the cricket team analogy), will lose party status and not have enough members to shadow the new LNP government ministers. Each Labor member will have to take on around three ministries each. They will be busy.

    Labor has lost most of its talent (Labor talent? Now there’s an oxymoron) in the electoral bloodbath and will struggle to make headway with the voting public in the coming years. Labor could be in the political wilderness for years and years. And years.

    No doubt the pathological liar who calls The Lodge home, will proclaim that there is not one single federal implication to be gleaned from this result. As usual, this will be speaking with a forked tongue (Gillard’s default, and preferred, position). Federal Labor are gone, gone, gone. The public just hate being lied to. Period.

    The parallels between the behaviour of the two Labor women (Bligh and Gillard) are strong: Bligh sneakily introduced legislation to sell off state assets once she was safely in power after the 2009 Qld election. She had no mandate to do so. Gillard brought in a “carbon tax” with no mandate from the 2010 federal election (in fact when she had a mandate to NOT bring in the tax). In 2009, for preferences, Bligh did a dirty back room deal with the greens (lower case for these marxists) to lock up Cape York’s rivers with the Wild Rivers legislation. Bligh did not tell the voting public about her intnetions. In 2010 Gillard did a dirty back room with the greens to bring in the destructive, pointless carbon tax in exchange for support for her minority government and kept the deal from voters.

    It’s the “whatever it takes” mentality of the left writ large. Everything is negotiable, there are no principles that cannot be compromised or ignored in the higher cause of winning at all costs. The end justifies the means and winning – with honour or dishonour, no matter which – is everything.

    The morally bankrupt left will get their next comeuppance at the 2013 federal election. The baseball bats are already polished to a high lustre and are in position behind countless Australian front doors awaiting the knock of Federal Labor in eighteen month’s time. Another wipe-out awaits Labor – no matter what they say is wrong with Tony Abbott in the meantime. It is written. Federal Labor are gone. Period.


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    Scene – Press conference Monday lunch time as Prime Minister Gillard announces new initiative with respect to the mining Tax.

    Prime Minister Gillard – “Blah blah blah blah blah. I’ll take questions now.”

    First Journalist – “Prime Minister. Does Saturday’s election result in Queensland have any implications for you at the Federal Level?”

    Prime Minister Gillard – “Thanks for that question Laurie. Say, will you look at that”, she replies, pointing straight ahead. “It’s Britney Spears.”

    All journalists and cameras turn around, see nothing, and turning straight back, address the next question ….. to an empty podium!

    Or maybe this one.

    Journalist – “Senator Brown, did you see that dead crow?”

    Senator Brown looks skyward – “Where?”

    Tony.


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      Actually, Tony, you are describing all of Tone’s pressers. Whenever the questions get the least little bit difficult he turns around and walks away. Julia is there answering all relevant questions.

      Tone’s cutting and running from his own pressers will be publicised more and more as he getsmore and more attention from the MSM.


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    Congrats on your improving future. Need any engineer immigrants?


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    Roy Hogue

    From one American to you Queenslanders – congratulations on this victory! :-)

    I’m wondering if there aren’t furrowed brows in higher places than Canberra at the moment…perhaps UN headquarters in New York?

    I hope we can follow suit later this year.


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    John F. Hultquist

    Well, I’m here in the chilly northwest of the USA waiting for the temp to get above freezing before going out to do a few chores. I did rush out to feed the horses, though, and came back in to check your election results.

    The question that occurs to me is this: What sorts of mischief will several dozen unemployed politicians find to get into? And Jo, some of these folks don’t like you very much. But you do have many admirers world wide. We’ve go your back. Good work.


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      Good question John- luckily they won’t have any power anymore to carry out any mischief they come up with.

      Most of them will be looking for work, because the ALP in Queensland isn’t big enough to find party jobs for all of them, and there is a big pool of ex-pollies and staffers nationwide already after the recent NSW wipeout, the Victoria and WA losses and the Federal near-miss.


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    richard

    lucky you guys, here in the UK we have Conservatives- signed up to all green matters and taxing and Labour the same, no wriggle room out of this for us,


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      Yup, UK will have double digit unemployment by the end of this year and the govt deficit will not be majorly reduced. Lucky you. In the meantime the REAL debt the Tories aren’t even mentioning—the huge debt of the financial sector there. If a couple of Euro banks go down watch the UK finance sector go down with a rush.


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    Siliggy

    So what went wrong in the few places where hard labor got seats and greens got one or two votes? What could cause mass mental illness on such a large scale?
    Could it be a combination of poor water quality caused by lack of dams and noise from wind turbines damaging their ability to think? On the other hand did the LNP people in these seats show signs of having succumbed to the warmist propaganda and thus disqualify themselves?
    I suggest that one way to find out would be for the nats to run Angry Anderson against Turnbull in the next federal election. Seeing now it is obvious that our next federal gov’t will be liberal with the nats in opposition and fred nile,the shooters party and climate skeptics etc having contol of the senate.


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    I went in to the polling place early and there was a line out the door of people, apparently waiting to vote Blighs sorry arse out.


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    [...] Voters in Queensland pitched damned near every Labor pol from office. [...]


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    [...] Voters in Queensland pitched damned near every Labor pol from office. [...]


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    Andrew30

    These are some quotes from Stephen Harper, Prime Minister of Canada.
    His party won a national majority government in the 2011 election:

    “Kyoto is essentially a socialist scheme to suck money out of wealth-producing nations.”
    “Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant.”
    “Carbon dioxide which is a naturally occurring gas vital to the life cycles of this planet”
    “This may be a lot of fun for a few scientific and environmental elites in Ottawa, but ordinary Canadians from coast to coast will not put up with what this will do to their economy and lifestyle”
    “We can debate whether or not… CO₂ does or does not contribute to global warming. I think the jury is out.”
    “My party’s position on the Kyoto Protocol is clear and has been for a long time. We will oppose ratification of the Kyoto Protocol and its targets. We will work with the provinces and others to discourage the implementation of those targets. And we will rescind the targets when we have the opportunity to do so”
    “As economic policy, the Kyoto Accord is a disaster. As environmental policy it is a fraud”

    Unlike some other po-Lie-ticians he meant every word he said. Canada ditched Kyoto.

    P.S.
    The Greens, NGOs and socialists in general hate the Canadian Government :-)


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    Mark

    The fat lady tour of the states continues, like an unhinged sword of Damocles piercing Labor ears and Swan songing the dystopic cacophony of the tweeting Juliars…. Bligh Bligh, Anna. … To Canberra, with haste! Sing sing sing!


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    Juliar

    YOU ARE NEXT JULIA!!!!!!


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    Graeme No.3

    A swing away from the Greens. No “true blue” Labor supporters voting Green but directing preferences back to Labor. Instead they switched completely from the liars.

    Labor’s strategy has failed.
    No votes in the carbon tax.
    No votes in running up debt.
    No votes in incompetence.
    No votes in lying.

    What will they try next.


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    It’s worse than I thought

    :-)
    Ecotretas


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    PaulM

    After the 2007 election Campbell Newman was the most senior office holder of the conservative parties in this country and Anna Bligh was Australia’s First elected Female Premier.

    Today, the ex-Army Officer has become the first person in the political history of the nation to become Premier from without the Parliament, and the First Elected Female Premier has led the oldest political party in the nation’s history to a defeat of such magnitude that it no longer ranks as an official political party.

    For the ALP, who are so enamored of symbolic jestures and tokenism, who proudly proclaim their “whatever it takes” core with their conduct in the last decade across the nation, behold this election result, we the electors of Queensland grant you this token of our esteem.

    The ALP can wear the First Woman “Whatever” badge with pride, behold the legacy such a token act has garnered for you, your party destroyed, your future leaders discarded like used nappies while the few seats to survive the bloodbath, aren’t enough to form a functional opposition.

    Western Australia, Victoria, NSW (a bloodbath), Queensland (now that’s a bloodbath)….. Prime Minister Gillard, Australias First Elected Female Prime Minister, ARE YOU LISTENING NOW?


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      Here is a little fact.

      When Howard was PM all the states switched to Labor governments—remember Howard often saying he wanted to see a friendly (i.e. Lib) face at COAG?

      Maybe we are in such a trend now, Lib State govts, Labor federally?

      In Qld & NSW I think an “It’s Time” factor applied, Vic was much, much closer, knife’s edge really—no “It’s Time” factor there.


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    A C of Adelaide

    Is this a consensus?


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    MadJak

    Jo,

    I think you need to mention another component which truly did blow up in the ALPs face:

    The ALP tried what worked for Helen clark and has been done ad nauseum by Juliar Guilleard. Namely the personal attacks on their opponent, their families and so forth. They do this because Helen clark proved that women can do this with some small sense on impunity – it always looks bad for a man to perform the same cheap stunt – particularly against a woman.

    Bligh did this repetitively and Queenslanders showed the utter disgust for this (as well as everything else).

    I sure hope that the ALP loses all of it’s resources. The LNP should take the opportunity to provide the coup de grace for this despically corrupt and despotic party.

    The ALP is a relic that belongs in the early part of last century. The vacuum can then be replaced by another party which has it’s roots in democracy and the centre left perspective. Not this malformed and handicapped mutant monster that the ALP has become.


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      Bob Malloy

      Namely the personal attacks on their opponent, their families and so forth.

      My thoughts exactly, before her last minute attack on Newman, did it not look like he would struggle to win his seat. How many other Labor seats that may have been saved by the skin of their teeth if it was not for these gutter tactics are now sitting warmly wit the LNP, even if it only five or six has she halved a poor result to total devistation.

      I have linked the following before, when you watch just replace Jubilation T Cornpone with Anna Bligh.


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        MadJak

        Bob,

        Not suprisingly, according to Peter Beattie this morning – Blighs mistake was admitting that the claims had no evidence.

        Typical ALP stooge – it wasn’t the fact that she lied that destroyed the ALP in Queensland – it was that she admitted she had no evidence for the lie.

        The ALP continue to carry on as though the voters are idiots with memories like a goldfish. Their arrogance is obviously an attempt to make up for their utter stupidity.

        I also note this morning more talk about damage “to the Labour brand”. Again it shows they don’t admit that it’s their idiotic party at fault – it’s all about how they just can’t “sell” their lies better.

        It sounds so much like the Global warming nutters – it’s not the fact their science stinks – they just have difficulty selling their crap that’s the problem.

        “No Carbon Tax under a government that I lead” – JuLiar Guilleard

        Of course, one could argue it’s the faceless men doing the leading there JuLiar!


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          Mark

          Madjak:

          You might also have noticed that the loathsome ALP canetoad Ludwig has pulled out the old sexism canard.

          Queensland men don’t like women “on top”.

          (Hmmm, maybe I should rephrase that….. Nah, think I’ll leave it!)


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            MadJak

            Mark,

            Excellent, Let them keep at it. Everytime they do they insult the public even more.

            We should be encouraging this.

            Personally, I don’t care who’s on top -provided they know what they’re doing.

            :)


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            Rereke Whakaaro

            There is an old saying: When it comes to politics, it doesn’t matter who is on top, it is always the voters who get screwed.


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    Kevin Moore

    The borrower is servant to the lender.

    I wouldn’t expect to see any serious threat from the LNP to the Bankers designed Carbon Tax.

    Queensland owes more money than New South Wales and Victoria combined, with less than a third of the income stream, a Queensland University of Technology (QUT) economist says.

    Dr Mark McGovern, from the QUT Business School, said the political parties vying for the top job in Queensland were yet to offer viable solutions for the state’s economy.

    “Queensland debt currently sits above $85 billion, dwarfing that of any other state,” Dr McGovern said.

    “Rises in debt present major challenges to the incoming government, whatever its composition.
    http://www.qut.edu.au/news/news?news-id=40695


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      Rereke Whakaaro

      With an electoral swing like this, the incoming government could point out the size of the debt, in dollars per household, blame the ALP in general and the previous administration in particular and then declare bankruptcy, and offer to pay back 10 cents on the dollar.

      They can also argue that the size of the debt is so large because the banks did not do sufficient due diligence to prevent the Queensland Government from Trading Whilst Insolvent, thereby making them also culpable.

      This sounds outside the box, but with that kind of debt, the Government will probably have trouble paying the interest, let alone reducing the principle.


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    Bruce of Newcastle

    Its clear from the Sky News exit poll that Julia has a slight problem:

    Sky News exit polls show voters were most concerned about the Cost of Living (69 per cent), followed by Delivery of State Services (63 per cent), Carbon Tax (44 per cent) Mining Tax (35 per cent), and Campbell Newman’s business dealings (17 per cent).

    The carbon tax is really going to hit the cost of living. Recent delivery of services federally has had a remarkable history of waste (eg $600 set top boxes for pensioners) and incompetence.

    I think a few other things can be added:

    Lying (about policy – privatisation in Ms Bligh’s case)
    Wild rivers (a prominent policy Ms Bligh had front and centre of her campaign)
    Coal seam gas was a non-issue, possibly even harmed the ALP (ie jobs)
    General greenery (the Greens went backwards, unlike the last federal election where they sucked voters off of the ALP)

    This whole lot hits bang on the ALP Federal policies, and the coalition with the Greens. Julia is toast and Wayne Swan seems certain to be turfed out of his own seat.

    The ONLY way the ALP is going to hold anything together is to ditch the carbon tax and probably the mining tax, which anyway isn’t going to pull in much dosh and sends the wrong (green) message to voters.

    If federal ALP gets reduced below a cricket team, you can also forget the union to parliament career progression for a generation. That could devastate the union movement too, as talent will go elsewhere than into the union structure.

    Well, ALP and the ACTU, you’ve got your warning. Now you can work out how to save yourselves.


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      Solsa

      “The ONLY way the ALP is going to hold anything together is to ditch the carbon tax and probably the mining tax”

      Yep, screw the environment and sharing profits from mining OUR resources…ditch all those nasty policies – anything to keep the rednecks happy.


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        Winston

        Keep up that sort of thinking, and see just where it gets you. You don’t have to “screw” anything- when you eventually get out of diapers and become a grown up you’ll realise that observing fundamental principles of sound management and appropriate development underpins good environmental policy. That is why wealthy western democracies have far better environmental policies and practices than third world and impoverished nations. A good economy allows the “luxury” of promoting good environmental practices, wrecking the economy does the opposite.


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          Streetcred

          The problem that we now have Winston, is that the Luvvies running Australia have already factored in and (over)spent the new taxes – Carbon Dioxide and Mining. It is not looking like the Mining Tax is going to reap nearly as much tax as what was budgeted for … the golden goose is fast becoming the ugly duck. And the Carbon Dioxide Tax ? Well, who’s going to be standing to pay these taxes ?


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        Bruce of Newcastle

        Solsa – welcome to Jo’s blog. If you’ve read what I say in past posts you’ll see there is no possibility of CAGW based on the scientific data (eg link). CO2 has an inherently self limited logarithmic warming of around 2XCO2 of 0.7 C. There’s not enough extractable fossil fuel in the world to exceed 2 C of warming. So the carbon tax is not going to save the environment, just make it harder for us to afford environmental remediation (I walk in the bush – whenever tip prices go up I see the result spread along the sides of the fire trails).

        And as for the mining tax (a) it is not raising anything to speak of as a result of Mr Kloppers negotiation skills (and I’ve had him look over my own work, he’s good really good) and (b) they already pay net 43% tax rate on profits, which I suspect you do not do, nor does any company outside of the mining industry. Heard of golden geese? Well you want revenues, keep your geese happy, don’t bleed them. They just fly away or they die. If you don’t believe me ask a Zambian.


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        Rereke Whakaaro

        Well, at last we have had a troll appear.

        I was starting to get worried that there had been some sort of anti-troll virus, and they had all died out.

        As many of you no doubt know, I am a founder member of the Save the Trolls Society, and we take their preservation very seriously.

        In fact, we are currently looking for donations. So, it you want to help protect a declining breed, you can deposit whatever you can afford in Jo’s tip jar. I am sure she will share for a worthy cause.


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      Overwhelmingly those exit polled nominated, and I quote:

      Cost of Living (69 per cent), followed by Delivery of State Services (63 per cent)

      State issues.


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        The Black Adder

        …followed by Carbon tax 43%.

        A federal issue! You are an angry troll tonight Maxine!!

        Why are you so angry? Anything to do with QLD by any chance?

        Go home and cry into your Hansen pillow, and curl up with your Al Gore Quilt!


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        Aussie

        stupid, stupid Maxine. The cost of living is not a state issue. It is a Federal issue……. Taxes affect the cost of living…..


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    Mark

    The borrower is servant to the lender.

    I take your point, Kevin, BUT…..

    “If you owe your bank £100, you have a problem. If you owe your bank £1,000,000 the bank has a problem.”
    J M Keynes.


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      MadJak

      Mark

      The current interpretation of Keynes would be as follows:

      “If you owe your bank £100, you have a problem. If you owe your bank £1,000,000 the bank has a problem. Taxpayers will be forced to pay for the banks problem

      Just add a few more Zeros


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    On the other hand

    Don’t have yourselves on – big win had NOTHING to do with the carbon tax. (And not that I’m supporting it either). Local issues and the Qld Labor party lost it more than the LNP winning it.

    And Federal result will soon be the same – Labor obliterated. Abbott will find an excuse not to repeal the tax. You’re stuck with it.


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      MadJak

      Exit polls were showing over 40% of voters said the carbon tax influenced their vote

      Something tells me they weren’t thinking of the sugar hit sweetners for the first year in that response


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    Robert

    It would be nice if it was not necessary for this to be news. I can’t say I understand Australian politics, at times it’s difficult understanding American politics and I’ve been living with it all my life.

    I do like reading about what is happening there, it is more educational for me than a university course on your politics would be. I’d rather hear about it from people who live with it and are effected by it than from some sanitized, politically correct text book. I still don’t really understand your politics but I know more about them today than I did before.

    As I said, it would be nice if it was not necessary for this to be news, it would be nice if Julia would resign, hell it would be nice if I was a millionaire too.

    At least this appears to be good news.


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      Robert,

      while I live here in Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia, I’m the editor of a major blog based in Pennsylvania.

      The site’s owner who lives in Harrisburg PA (yes, the home of Three Mile Island) tells me that there is an inherent interest in a lot of things about Australia, so he gently persuades me to include things that might on the surface seem not directed at U.S. readers, hence I include stuff about general knowledge on Australia, etc as well as my main Post topics.

      One of the things Americans find difficult to understand is Politics in Oz, and while an Australian election may seem of little more than passing interest in the U.S. he tells me to write about them, and in doing, to explain some of the major differences.

      Prior to the last Federal Election, I Posted a small intro on the Australian political scene, and again, I know this is my own Post I’m shamelessly linking into, but prehaps it may give you some insight.

      The Australian Electoral Process Explained

      Tony.


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    Fred from Canuckistan

    Well done Australia . . . We always knew there was a deep well common sense and this proves it.

    Next up . . . A big boot to Julia’s backside!


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    MadJak

    Hey Everyone,

    The Premier of Queensland has an engineering degree – not a BA in fine arts and law.

    ROCK ON. Time for some practical work.


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    Shevva

    I think this Sunday morning (although it’s midnight here :) most people round here can crack open there favourite tipple. Then carry on the good fight.


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    Gordon of Millswood

    Don’t forget Tasmania. “(technically 5 states and 2 territories)”


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    Dave

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    Federal government spends $175,000 to keep staff at Department of Climate Change HAPPY?

    Campbell Newman will get rid of Qld’s department of climate change!

    The 2nd solution is better for the environment!


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      memoryvault

      Campbell Newman will get rid of Qld’s department of climate change!

      You wouldn’t like to have a little side bet on that, would you?
      He’ll simply change the name to the “Department of Sustainable Development” (in line with Coalition plans at a federal level) and order them some new letterheads and envelopes.

      Meanwhile, my eight year old granddaughter will continue to get her weekly screening of the Goracle’s “An Inconvenient Truth”, while Campbell decides where to build his next gazillion dollar tunnel to nowhere. After all, he’s got a whole state to play in now.

      Election’s over.
      Now it’s back to another three years of same old same old.


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        Dave

        .
        Hi MV,

        Maybe a six-pack of your favourite ale or 1 bottle of your favourite wine? (not too expensive please as it includes delivery) :)

        I reckon it’ll dissolve into DERM and be told to hide there for as long as Newman is in!

        The Goracle teachings are a product of the “I Will Educate You Department”.

        But the rest is a worry – especially tunnels! Maybe a few more dams across the state would be better! Fingers crossed.

        P.S. I picked up on your DOT (.) at the start – makes it easier to read!


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          memoryvault

          .
          I believe Liquorland do gift vouchers now, and a two litre cask of my preferred Chateau La Cardboard is only $12.00 (these days I drink it with soda water so quality becomes irrelevant).

          The “I Will Educate You Department” is nonetheless a state government department, but don’t expect Campbell to go anywhere near it, apart from photo ops on school sports days.

          Ditto on both counts for “Queensland Sickness”, where people are literally dying to get into our hospitals.

          .
          The dot is very useful for intelligent spacing.


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            Rereke Whakaaro

            .
            The dot is very useful for intelligent spacing.

            Working in the intelligence industry, I must remember that next time I want to get spaced. Sounds cheaper than gin.


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        Juliar

        Sorry Dave, but MV is right. Please have a look at one of the LNP’s policies.

        A Liberal National Government will establish an Emissions Reduction Fund to support CO2 emissions reduction activity by business and industry.

        We will support 140 million tonnes of abatement per annum by 2020 to meet our 5 per cent target.

        Yes I generally am a Liberal supporter but they still fall short on their stance against the lie that is man made climate change. It will be the same old dame old on environmental policies. It would be nice if Governments spent more on more important environmental and agricultural issues that are affecting Australians instead of being sucked into the doctrine.


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          Dave

          Juliar,
          I agree on the Fed scene – but Newman has already finished up John Bradley (Head of Department of Premier and Cabinet), just one down – but this week they’ll start work on the rest of the departments.
          The QLD public service wages bill per annum is around $23,000,000,000 – this doesn’t count o/heads, consultants, logistics, advertising – the cuts will be huge over the coming months.
          How much infrastructure could have been built with this last decade of waste?

          But I bet Greg Withers won’t be there too long!!!! :(


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        Dave in melb

        @memoryvault …Absolutely ,two cheeks of the same backside, not to mention the comment above that says owe a million dollars it’s the bank that has the problem, go tell that to Greece or Ireland , taking out a third digital mortgage to pay the interest on the first two, goes straight back into IMF coffers, next move they take it out in REAL assetts , power, water,railroad networks ,. Chinese and Arab states hovering to pick up an island or two at the right price,cents on the euro , this is how it works folks , what were the reasons for Bligh selling of assetts anyway? At the end of the day it could not happen without complicit politicions, they are all the same …..Dave


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    handjive

    File this under: Secret Brown/Gillard government, let the sun shine in:

    Australia’s government won’t disclose its secret copyright meetings because knowing what went on isn’t in the public interest

    The government also claims that it can’t release a list of attendees because it doesn’t have such a list — that is, the government doesn’t know who was invited to its secret, eyes-only copyright meeting.


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    brennan

    I am amazed still by the breadth of the annihilation QLD Labour has suffered, but I’m really not surprised. Local issues such as asset sales, fuel subsidy, and most importantly the lies about them, reflect directly onto the Federal Labour as they have done the same thing. Attempting to smear Newman was also idiotic. Though not much of a sports person, there is an old Australian adage about playing the ball and not the man, and to not do so, does not go down well. Maybe, just maybe, the pollies will realise we are not fools and can actually think for ourselves.

    Labour will get a clobbering in the next Federal election, and rightly so (this from a supporter of traditional Labour values and ideals, something this mob have forgotten – shame!), but I am concerned in massive majorities. A good balance is needed or there is the risk that the balance will tilt far too far towards a dictatorship. Not in the sense of some African nation of the 70′s, but because you get stronger if you have something solid to push against. Remember Joh?

    So far Barry O’Farrell has impressed me in NSW, with some reservations. Campbell Newmann strikes me as a good man and will be a good leader and good for Queensland and has a good CV behind him. Tony Abbott also strikes me as a good man, but so far is insubstantial on policy. Tell me what and how the Libs are going to do if they get in and if I like it, I’ll cross over and be a vocal supporter.

    If Labour do get smashed in the next Federal election who will there be to be an Opposition? There’s no Democrats now to keep them honest, the greens were never a substitute for the Dems, Independents are on the nose electorally because of a certain three, not fair to other good Independents who might get a chance otherwise, but that’s how it goes. Labour will take at least three terms to rebuild and be an alternative, if ever again.

    However, the greens will be smashed too, and for that I will dance (metaphorically) on their graves. In good Irish tradition, I’ll also splash some good whiskey over them. After it’s passed through my kidneys.


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      MadJak

      I think Middle left voters need to seize the opportunity to create a party which represents them.

      The first step is the complete and irreversable destruction of the ALP and the structures it adheres to. To try and somehow reform the ALP as it stands will mean the comeback trail won’t start for at least another decade. The fastest route is to start a new party which is not beholden to the class warfare of the last century.

      Just sayin. But by all means, work on reforming the ALP, just be prepared to be in the wilderness for a very long time.

      The argument that somehow people must vote for a party because the party sucks so badly should not be made. For it to suck as badly as the ALP does, it deserves complete and utter destruction.


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        Look at three seats that Labor held.

        Springwood, Inala, and to a slightly lesser extent Inala’s adjacent electorate Bundamba.

        Well, some Queenslanders would know what I mean, probably cruel, but true.

        To the people in those electorates, they seem to recall that LNP was something you once put on a record player.

        Says a lot for where I live too, I guess, Rockhampton, rusted on Labor.

        Tony.


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          Sorry, my error here, where I said Springwood, that should read Woodridge.

          Even with swings well above the average, those three still stay almost as Safe Labor.

          Woodridge 20% Swing
          Bundamba 19% Swing
          Inala 15% Swing

          Tony.


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            Bob Massey

            Hi Tony, according to Laurence Sprinborg (I hope I spelt his name correctly) the LNP will give Party status to the ALP as the honourable thing to do. Personally for what they have done they deserve to be left in obscurity whether that’s honourable or not.

            I have a message for all the Labor Spin doctors! Listen to your constituents and vote in accordance with their wishes and not on Party lines. That will be the only way the Australian Labor Party will live and survive in the future. Like Campbell Newman said lead with Humility, Grace and Dignity.

            Juliar that means no back room deals, no union corruption and no lies. Your Party is on notice or it will end as the “Party of no Consequence” and boy do they deserve that name.


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            MadJak

            Bob,

            I think for the LNP to give the ALP party status as “the honourable thing to do” is disingenuous and wrong.

            The people have spoken – why on earth does the ALP deserve any levels of special treatment?

            The party has been on Notice since the last election. They haven’t listened and they will not listen. They are too tied up with their own careers and factions to give a rats clacker about anyone outside of their party system.

            If they are given party status, their spin monkeys will continue their nauseating, factually void propaganda no end.

            The opportunity to give the centre left a voice devoid of corrupted ideals is now. If the LNP do this in Queensland, they deserve a backlash from the people who have spoken.

            No mercy. They have to prove they have changed by really changing before any peaceful gratitudes are offered, IMO.


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            Bob,

            notwithstanding that thumping result, and that Labor may only have 7 seats when ten are needed to constitute Party Status, I think that Labor should be afforded that, as Mr Springborg says.

            There is form for this when Labor recognised the Coalition all those years ago when they had less than ten themselves.

            This means that Labor will get offices, staff etc, which in fact is the decent thing to do. I would suggest.

            As it is, when you consider Ministerial portfolios, each of those seven current members, could be 8, will have their work cut out, as it could be that each member will have at least two Shadow portfolios to look after. They will be working like the proverbial flies with the blue fundament, and that’s how it should be, punishment enough having to work this hard for the next election cycle.

            True, there will be a lot of sitting LNP members who will lose their seats at the next election, and that’s only natural, and in fact, to be expected, but in the interim those current remaining members will have to work their butts off.

            Also, just a wry comment on that huge number of LNP members. Note how Bligh mentioned in the lead up that it would be a really bad thing to give the LNP such a huge majority, and she raised that hackneyed old spectre of Sir Joh again, you know, nudge nudge wink wink, say no more Squire.

            It seems that a huge majority for the LNP is somehow different than that same majority that Beattie had when she was his Deputy.

            I hope electors in South Brisbane send Labor a message and take that seat off them too. Serves her right.

            Oh well, why should she worry? She’s got her huge Super now. The only irony, is there’s no cushy job waiting like Beattie got when he (very mysteriously) quit to spend more time with his family, and then rushed off to the U.S. There’ll be none of that for Anna.

            Who knows, perhaps she’ll find some other way to, er, serve the Public.

            Yeah! Right!

            Tony.


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            MadJak

            TonyfromOz,

            So should Katters party get the same treatment?

            Their numbers are comparable, after all. And the ALP had mroe funding support than Katters party did.


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            Bob Massey

            Madjak, Tony, I think both viewpoints have merit and I am wrong. In that, my hatred for Labor has affected my logical thinking. I think Tony is correct it would be the decent thing to do to give them Party status so they can provide a good opposition but as Madjak quite rightly infers the KAP should get those resources as well.

            It’s a difficult proposition either way. I think waiting and seeing what Mr Newman does will be the most sensible course of action at this point.


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            Gee Aye

            sheesh they will get party status even without the LNP. Primary vote is enough. Also there are provisions whereby a Governor might, where no substantial opposition party exists, ask non-government members to become an opposition.


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    Labor is traditionally a Left-aligned party with its roots in the need for the working class to have political representation. It was created by the early unions. Since its radical swing to the Right following the electoral rejection of the Whitlam government, Labor has progressively jettisoned virtually of the ‘baggage’ that once gave it ideological integrity. This progressive betrayal of its roots seemed to pass unnoticed for some time, but now bodes ill for its political future. The philosophical difference between the authentically Conservative parties (Liberal and National) and the fraudulently Democratic Socialist party (Labor) is now so minute as to make one wonder if it really matters who gets into power. National assets will be flogged off, profits will be privatised and losses socialised for the privileged few while the rest of us get to pay for those losses.
    The rejection of Labor will solve nothing because nothing of consequence will change. Growing opposition to the carbon tax and mounting criticism of its scientific basis would lead to its eventual collapse anyway. Does anyone seriously expect us to reacquire sold-off public assets, unilaterally pull our troops out of Afghanistan and Iraq, appropriately tax multinational miners, etc? Australia is wall-to-wall Conservative no matter who is in power. The rejection of Labor is merely rage at its ideological betrayal. The authentic Conservatives, having no ideology beyond ‘looking after the big end of town’, at least have the virtue of constancy — you always know where they stand.
    Interestingly, at a federal level, Labor’s biggest asset is the LNP’s numbskull front bench. If that party could ever bring itself to reappoint its only high-profile member with some integrity and more than a two-digit I.Q. as leader, another blood-bath for Labor would be assured and the new Prime Minister could be dumped after a decent interval. As matters now stand, it will probably just win a ‘comfortable’ victory.
    If the Labor and LN parties can agree on one thing, it would be, “Nobody likes a smart-arse!”


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      Do you remember Mals polling figures? The man is despised by the libs constituency. Mal appeals to the 30% (and shrinking) ALP voters.


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    John V K

    7 or 8 seats to the ALP and none of the Indies would be considered left of centre, so its a wipeout in Queensland for the Greens and socialist progressives.

    I would call it 80 right of centre candidates. Queensland always comes down heavy for public service and it is a conservative state. This does not mean anti progressives the opposite in fact but based in pragmatism.

    Bligh’s arrogance was breath taking played us for mugs. Queensland is pro business.


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    The Queensland result hopefully tells the polies to listen to the people,stop living in ivory towers and being immune to and in fact fighting criticism.Honesty is the best policy.Stop treating people as mushrooms.Can we get this to Canberra please?We do not want more taxes and more taxes and cost of living increases.We have an aging population and I would like to place all public servants and the polies for at least one year ONLY on the pension.Another revolution is long overdue at the Federal level.
    Laurence


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    It re-affirms my faith in the average voter.
    Despite the media propaganda, QLD voters expressed a view in no uncertain manner.
    I pray that voters in the rest of country display the same astute judgement at the next federal election.


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    Harry The Hacker

    No upper house in Queensland. No house of review.

    Tossing Labor out might make you happy, but having ANY government of ANY persuasion with unfettered power is bad for democracy. Well…. thats what Queensland now has, and I predict it won’t be a very fun time coming up.


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      Right on the nail, Harry.

      QLD is nearly $90 billion in debt, most of it accumulated over the last eight years in a period of record state income from mining royalties. Even if state government income were to remain at the same high levels (a very dubious outcome), the debt is, to all intent and purpose, unrepayable from ongoing government revenue.

      That means we Queenslanders are facing a fire sale of state assets – pretty-much everything that isn’t bolted down, and a lot that is, followed by 20 years of crippling state taxes and charges. This would have been the case regardless of who won the election.

      I predict the next QLD state election will see a huge swing back against the LNP, but not enough to change government, followed by a massacre for the LNP at the election after. In fact I predict that two or three-term governments with massive swings at elections will become the new norm in Australian state and federal politics, with the possible exceptions of WA and Tasmania.

      The days of elections being decided by a core of around 6% “swinging voters” are dead. The major parties killed it by constantly pandering to that 6%, while ignoring their core support elements. The age of “party allegiance” is dead.

      We are now entering a new politcal age where almost everybody will be a “swinging voter”.

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      We live in interesting times.


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        MV,

        Yes, interesting times indeed, but I wouldn’t wish one-term politics on anybody.

        One party introduces legislation, the other party throws it out.

        It becomes a childish game that is a lot of fun if you are inside the political bubble, but for the poor folks who are just trying to pay the mortgage and bring up the kids, being treated like a shuttlecock ain’t much fun.


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        Memoryvault, I hope that you are right and that almost everyone becomes a “swinging voter”. That is how things should be. The LNP in Queensland have an opportunity to do a lot to rectify the damage done by Labor over the years and put somethings in place for the future. Any party with that sort of majority will become just as much part of the problem as the solution over time. The only response for the electorate is to continuously change the party in power so as to reduce the net effect of government on the economy and the people.


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          Hi TS,

          The LNP in QLD don’t have much opportunity to very much at all except sell and tax.
          We’re broke and up to our eyeballs in debt.

          After all the rosy promises this will lead to massive voter disenchantment, followed by another election based on pie-in-the-sky promises, followed by more voter disenchantment, followed by an election and a change of government.

          This will continue until somebody runs who is prepared to be honest and tell the electorate we are in deep doo-doo, and the electorate matures enough to vote them in.

          OR

          Somebody finally studies a bit of history, learns the true nature of “money” and “credit”, realises why, prior to Federation each state had its own State Bank, and why our Commonwealth Constitution allowed for the creation of the Commonwealth Bank, and reconstitutes the State Bank of Queensland to create the state’s credit and currency.

          OR

          QLD, the NT and WA secede from the southern states; QLD throws itself on the financial mercy of WA, and the new “Northern Australia” builds the railway from the QLD coal fields to the Pilbara Iron Ore mines, with state of the art steel mills, as envisioned by Lang Hancock and Joe Bjelke Peterson forty years ago.

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          Since the probability of any of the above three scenarios actually occurring is significantly less than Labor winning the next election with the same swing as occurred here in QLD yesterday, we are in for long period of pain.


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            MV, there is a forth option. The new Queensland Government uses their “honeymoon” period to drastically reduce the state public service and reduce spending by enough to pay back the debt. Coupled with a mild tax increase (blamed correctly on the previous Labor government) this could work to get things back to an even keel.

            It is not necessarily all doom and gloom.


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        Juliar

        I doubt that the number of swinging voters will increase that significantly. What has happened in NSW and QLD are once in a generation type elections as the core voters will return to vote for the ALP at the next election even though the LNP will certainly be re-elected in Queensland and NSW at the next elections for those states.

        For example, Labor in Victoria (my home state) has ignored it’s core voters in the western suburbs on issues regarding education, transport and infrastructure for many years but they still win those seats easily at state and federal elections. Why? Because of te large majority of those voters will never vote for anything but Labor due to their backgrounds, employment and values. Similarily to inner eastern seats around Melbourne and country seats will always vote be seats for the Coalition. Recent WA and Victorian elections showed that the 6% of swing voters still do decide who wins elections. This won’t change as people are rather conservative when choosing who to vote for. I know I will never vote for a left wing party in my life time.


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      PaulM

      What do you mean “now has”? Without a second tier of parliament a simple majority is unfettered power and always has been. You say “ANY government” and “ANY persuasion” but it appears it is only an issue now that it is a conservative government that has the majority. This is nothing more than a disengenuous distraction, it is an argument without substance or merit and is more a reflection on you than on the reality of Qld politics.

      What we dished out in Qld last night was democracy in action at it’s most ruthless. That you think a result you don’t like is dangerous for democracy says more about you than it does about Queensland.


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        Harry The Hacker

        It’s always been bad to have too much power. Now its ridiculous. Far better a knife-edge result where the bastards always have to work hard for anything they want to do.


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          The only number that matters is 45, if the LNP had only won 45 seats on Saturday they would have had no more and no less power in the parliament as Labor had the day before with 51. It doesnt matter wether the majority is 1 seat or 45 seats, the power to make legislation is the same and the ability of the opposition to block is the same. Regardless of the majority, Queenslanders grant unfettered power to a party for the duration of its term. It is rare for a party not to have an absolute mandate in Qld. You are defining a percieved harm to democracy based purely on the side of politics given the mandate. No twisting of logic can change the simple fact that even with the massive majority the LNP now hold, they have no more power with 75 seats than Labor had with 51. And Labor with 6 seats has as much chance to block the LNP’s agenda as the LNP with 31 had of blocking Labor.


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            For a more rational and insightful analysis PaulM.

            The issues go a little beyond the numbers as far as health of democracy is concerned and i think HtH @ 67.2.1 has a point.


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            Catamon….

            It did not bother the ALP in 2001 when they had a whitewash!

            God! You guys are hypocrites!

            Now, where is that Dept. of Climate Change….


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            Crikey, rational and insightful, spare us.

            Answer the damn question, what is it about the result that gives the LNP more power than the ALP had last week, & what is it that makes it more difficult for the ALP to hold the LNP to account than it was for the LNP last week.

            ANSWER: NOTHING, you simply don’t like the fact that your beloved ALP is now nothing more than a fringe party like The Greens and KAP, and that the majority opinions you say LABOR represents is not mainstream, just minority fringe dwellers.


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          Catamon,

          ALP progress:

          It’s all Tony Abotts fault becomes
          It’s all Kevin Rudds fault becomes
          It’s all the Evil newspapers’ fault becomes
          It’s all Mr Newmans familys’ fault becomes
          It’s the sexist queensland mens’ fault becomes
          It’s the democratic system at fault

          I see a pattern here, but what would I know, I’m just a dumb arse voter with the memory span of a goldfish.


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      You get the impression sittings will be non stop “Dorothy Dix” sessions & the sitting ALP members will have enough shadow portfolios to make the ghost of Russ Hinze jealous.


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    Fascinating.

    Anna Bligh announced her resignation from parliament an hour ago, and still no word on the ABC.
    Maybe they are all still out the back discussing today’s Bolt Report.


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      Yeah, Bligh quits and note this especially …. wef Friday.

      Two things.

      1. She now holds a marginal seat. We live in hope that voters in her electroate will even further punish Labor and send her former seat across to the LNP as well, you know, thanks for showing courage to stick around in the face of adversity. Thanks for sticking around to help break in a new Leader. Thanks for assisting with those Shadow portfolios, now it seems that every Labor Member will have at least 2 responsibilities.

      2. There’s talk of parachuting in one of the high profiles who lost into her seat. Puts into perspective the hypocrisy of the new Premier not living in Ashgrove, albeit a street or two away. There were two seats held very comfortably by LNP members where local young Party apparatchiks put their hands up to run for. In one of them the young man stayed in Brisbane for the whole campaign. Did not even visit the Electorate. There’s a reward waiting for him in the future you can be sure of that. Parachuting in one of the high profiles will make for an interesting pre selection. You’ll have possibly, Fraser, Dick and Grace with 2 names, all eying off that seat now.

      Thanks Anna. For someone who prides herself on her courage, and the courage of Queenslanders, you shine as a beacon we can all look towards.

      Don’t let the door hit your fundament on the way out.

      Tony.


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      Rodzki

      Bligh quitting adds insult to injury to the ALP, but particularly to the electors of South Brisbane. What a dog act!! A spit straight in the eye of the people who just elected you to represent them for the next three years. She didn’t even have the decency to wait till the dust had settled. This says everything you need to know about the ‘regulating class’.


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      Ross

      I read a comment on Andrew Bolt’s blog which is asking a question re Bligh’s resignation — the person says that the count in Bligh’s electorate is not completed. If this is true are Bligh’s votes still “valid” under your system ? Or has the person asking the question got the timing wrong ?


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      MV RE: Blighs resignation,

      Look one person from the ALP has figured out that there is no-one to blame but themselves. Good on Bligh for actually taking responsibility for her actions. Of course, she isn’t taking responsibility for other peoples actions who are also just as responsible, but that’s too much to expect from a leader these days.

      Now it’s time for Guilleard and Swann to follow suit – of course, they probably won’t do it until they have buggered the country up even further.

      Mark my words – right now, the ALP Federal government is like a cornered and wounded wild pig. It knows it’s time is up and will gore as many hunters as it possibly can on the way down.

      Their siege mentally is all ready entrenched, you watch them take it out on we the people in many more ways than they have to date.


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    Regional issues, state issues, National Issues. . . to the average public voter its all one and the same.
    Labor is Labor is Labor, regardless of what and where the issue is, thats all the people see.


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    I know you all think that my mentioning the CO2 tax had a part to play in this Queensland election train smash is Tony drawing a long bow, but rumblings are that it indeed did play a part, no matter what Albanese (first cab off the rank) says.

    Now I have firmer data, (NGER, and a couple of other references, I can ascertain more closely what it might actually cost at an individual level.

    I have often quoted 30% as ballpark, and people have pooh poohed that, saying that it’s probably closer to 10 to 15% Max. Percentages are always a little vague, so let’s now than do an exercise that you all can actually participate in, and see what the specific cost to you might be at an individual level.

    The actual cost to the power plants themselves is worked out by the amount they pay in the Tax, extrapolated across the power that they deliver for consumption.

    That will be between 3 and 3.5 Cents per KiloWattHour, (KWH) depending on the mix in specific grids supplying Australia.

    That is the wholesale price increase that they will directly pass on to consumers.

    On top of that are the State controlled grids, the poles wires, sub stations etc etc. They also consume their own electricity in doing that, and that impact will be in the vicinity of 0.5 to 1 Cent per KWH.

    On top of that are the providers themselves, who will add on their impact, and that will be around 1 cent per KWH.

    So, now we have 5.5 cents per KWH increase.

    Add on the GST to that new total, and there’s an extra cent.

    Now we are looking at 6.5 cents per KWH.

    Keep in mind that compensation is only being paid at the residential level, (38% of all consumption. There’s no compensation for Commerce (37%) and Industrial (24%) so they will have to foot the whole added extra themselves, basically a new tax on both small and big business.

    Some may quibble that I have added on the extra for the ples and wires etc, and then the providers, and then the GST, and say that this of itself is not the CO2 tax, but if there was no CO2 tax in the first place, then there would be none of those added extras, so in effect, it is directly attributable to the CO2 tax.

    Now, each of you take out your last bill. It details your consumption in KWH. Add on the extra and do the new calculation, and there is your personal CO2 Tax imposition, and with electricity currently at 21 cents per KWH, then it is in fact close to the 30% I have always quoted.

    Now note that the Government is giving (some people) compensation, in the form of higher fortnightly pensions, or changes to the tax structure, paid in your weekly pay packet or however that comes.

    That compensation is based around the original 3 cents per KWH which in effect will be around half the actual increase.

    Now you tell me. Will those pensioners put their pittance of a fortnightly increase aside for the 13 weeks leading up to the next electricity bill, or the same for those people receiving tax cuts.

    I doubt that will happen.

    The new bill will come in with an extra $100 added to it, and pensioners especially will worry even further.

    This is your usual tony scare scare scare, but this in fact is deadly serious.

    This is not a tax on big polluters.

    This is a direct tax on PEOPLE.

    Labor will spin that this is nothing and things will change when the compensation kicks in.

    Of course it will.

    Then the minute the letter opener slices through the next electricity bill, things will change right back, only now with a vengeance, because people will see what it really does cost them at that personal level.

    Around that time, Labor politicians phones will be running hot. Not from incoming aggrieved constituents, but outgoing as those politicians phone up the parliamentary super fund to see how much they will be getting.

    Tony.


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      Further to this, there was a recently (well hidden) report that said Australia pays more for electricity than a lot of other Countries.

      It’s an easy thing to say that, but what is worthwhile is having a look for yourself.

      The link I have included below is for the U.S.

      We currently pay 21 cents per KWH for electricity.

      This link shows a State by State list of RETAIL prices for electricity.

      In the U.S. the average is 11.52 cents per KWH, half of what we pay here.

      The cheapest States are around 8.3 cents, and there’s only one State where it is higher than here in Oz, and that’s Hawaii.

      Note also the difference between Residential, Commerce and Industrial, with Residential the highest, and the same applies here in Australia as well.

      Retail Electricity price in the U.S.

      Tony.


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      Tony,

      As an example of exactly what you just described, here in the NT our guvment recently brought in a “Container Deposit Scheme”. This was based on the model that has been in SA for donkey’s, where we get a 10c refund for each container returned. We were told to expect a rise of around $4-5 for each carton we purchased.
      I generally purchase 30 can blocks of my favourite tipple, so instead of paying ~$42 as I was pre Jan 3, I could expect to pay ~$47, get $3 back from the recycling centre and end up $2 worse off but have a much cleaner environment.
      The $2 would cover the handling fee of the CDS collection centres which were all privately owned.
      The CDS depots pay the punter their 10c a can, package them, send them off to the manufacturer (Lion Nathan, Coca Cola Amatil etc), and get payed by them.
      Funnily from Jan 4, my favourite beverage has been ~$53/30 can block, of the 6 CDS collection centres that were in Darwin on Jan 4, 4 of them have closed their doors. At least 2 of them are taking legal action to get compensated and everyone is claiming it is an abject failure….. Except the government who is saying it is a resounding success because there are 2,000,000 cans and bottles that would have ended up on the side of the road are instead sitting in wharehouses.

      Anyone who says the same won’t happen with the Carbon Tax is kidding themselves.
      If electricity only increases by 30%, we should be so lucky!


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      Tony, I’m with Energy Australia who include the CO2 emitted in producing the electricity I pay for on my bill. At $23 / tonne my last power bill would be 13% higher once the tax is imposed. Do other Electricity companies include your CO2 emissions on their bills? If so it should be simple for everyone to work out how much tax they will be paying? The compensation is what worries me about Gillard staying in power. Once low/middle income earners learn how much they will be compensated, will that be enough to make them vote Labor? I hope not but I fear this is the weapon Gillard is holding back until the 2013 election campaign starts.


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        Cookster,

        note that the cost of the CO2 is the base price, and only related to this one thing, the electricity account.

        The flow on in every other area has not been factored in when Labor cleverly says that it is so small.

        The only compensation is paid at that Residential level.

        Every other consumer has to pay the increase and receive no compensation at all.

        The thing about the compensation is this.

        It is small, and included in your weekly pay packet or fortnightly pension, it is welcome, but is really just a pittance. Because of that it either will not be noticed or easily forgotten after a couple of pay cycles.

        Notice that they start the compensation package immediately.

        The first electricity account does not come in with the CO2 tax added on until that 90 day billing period arises.

        People receive a small compensation paid weekly/fortnightly, and then see the large increase to their power bill.

        You tell me which one will be noticed the most.

        Also, do you really think that those people on the Pension are going to put aside that compensation package of a couple of bucks a fortnight, and keep that aside just for the electricity rise.

        Some pensioners find the electricity bill difficult to pay now. Imagine the situation when it rises by those large amounts.

        Then, on top of that, every aspect of life faces the rise in electricity, all of them uncompensated, and all of them having to raise prices to cover their increased costs, all passed down to consumers.

        The Government cleverly claims it’s only small, but what they quote is the base cost only.

        Tony.


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    Saturday I truly missed Qld and Australia. As a pensioner I cannot afford to live in Australia anymore due to the high cost of living so have opted (reluctantly) to live in Asia where my pension enables me to enjoy a reasonable life style. Thanks to being able to watch the election unfold via the internet I dearly wished I could be ‘home’ again once more to really enjoy the excellent results of the LNP. I will make a huge effort to be there for the upcoming federal election when the same results will be achieved. Thank you Qld for making my day.


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    guthfrith

    Cannot see the point of telling the ALP/Greens where they are going wrong and how to fix things before the next election. If someone is attempting to shoot you, and the gun doesn’t work you do not say “Oh I see what the problem is…. ”

    On the contrary:

    I hope Gillard continues implementing her communist manifesto she wrote as a 20 year old.

    I hope the unions continue to cause havoc across all businesses with the solid support of the FWA.

    I hope Bill Shorten finds the IR review shows there is nothing wrong and all is working as planned so move along.

    I hope ALP ministers continue pork-barrelling their own seats, on the quiet, in contravention of their own rules.

    I hope Gauleiter Brown of the Socialist Republic of Tasmania continues to dance with the fairies and the bottom of the garden.

    I hope the carbon tax causes the predicted financial hardship for many Australians.

    I hope the FWA delays the Thompson investigation for a further 18 months.

    I hope Gillard continues to finance more failing businesses that have strong union membership whilst neglecting to assist those who do not pass the union test.

    I hope Wayne Swann fails his arithmetic test – again, and continues to attack the filthy rich i.e anyone who earns more than $100,000.

    I hope Albanese continues to find yet more Labour electorates that need infrastructure funds.

    I hope the ABC continues its left wing reporting bias in favour of the ALP, Greens and the AGW hoax.

    I hope the CFMEU and other unions continue to provide funds to Getup so they can distort facts and deceive their unaware donors on behalf of the ALP/Greens/Unions.

    I hope the Independents demand even more funds for their regional pet projects at the expense of other urgent National projects.

    I hope Gillard and Gruppenfuhrer Conroy attempt to implement the Finkelstein recommendations suppressing freedom of speech.

    I hope the cost blowouts and delays in rolling out the NBN exceed all expectations.

    In short I hope these union throwbacks to 1906 continue to behave as they are, until Oct 2013.

    Then we can vote.


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    Glen Michel

    Well , at least Labor introduced schools and libraries to Queensland. The point I guess is that more people will not believe in the moon being the reverse side of the sun! Good luck me lovelies!


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      MadJak

      Glen,

      You might want to get off that Electric Pooha. It’s scrambling your brain so those words you think are smart sound like Guilleard talking economics.


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      Cookster

      Schools and Libraries are paid for by taxes. The weaker an economy the less tax available to build schools, hospitals and so on. When this fact is forgotton you end up with what Greece is now experiencing.


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    RoyFOMR

    I’m kinda happy about the Oz Election results but I’m actually more down than up.
    For sure the Australian public has made it clear that their incumbent leadership is beneath contempt. That is a good thing.
    Bottom-feeders have an important role to play but should never be in charge of things.
    What I feel sad about is that the opposition to these current losers will benefit from their opponents discomfort without being not too dissimilar to them!
    They share far too many faults and will only benefit by their lack of current power and thus a ‘it wasn’t us what done it’ defence. As a UK resident I see more similarities of attitudes and mindsets than differences. A pig with a different coat is still a pig. Different trough; same midden!
    Here in Scotland we’ve just had political porcines of every stripe lining up to swear allegiance to the same credo, anti-science and green gospel as each other.
    The ‘smart’ career path for the modern-media, political swill-munchers that passes for professional people representatives in the ‘developed’ nations is one that never goes against the grain of consensus thinking, never rocks any boat unless approved of by their puppeteer-masters and is always in the direction that minimises their useful activities while maximizing their collective-guzzlings.
    They maintain their straddle ‘twixt the ‘Devil and the deep blue sea’ by playing with public opinion and historical sentiment. Jobs for life by juggling. Get kicked out of politics for a while. Don’t matter. If you’ve played a blinder and preached the ‘correct’ gospel you’ll be OK while you’re ‘resting’.
    That’s what the UN, EU, board-positions and Quangos are for!
    Electoral landslides,however delicious at the time, are but short term satisfying if it turns out that we end up hating the replacements as much as we did their predecessors!
    That’s why I’m both exultant and totally depressed.


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      MadJak

      And Now Tony Abbott has now guaranteed his partys’ place as the next government

      Only a major cataclysm of the magnitude of a Carbon tax could possibly jeopardise it.

      The People spoke, and the Opposition is listening. The Government continues to ignore the people it is meant to represent.


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        MadJak,

        Bob Brown and Christine Milne will be screaming blue bloody murder in the event of a double dissolution, if it ever eventuates, and I’m pretty skeptical on that one.

        This Landslide in Queensland was something they would have been watching (on the quiet) knowing Labor stunk. They would have been expecting those Labor people who became disillusioned to move straight across to them.

        Not only did that not happen, they actually lost 1% of their primary vote, so in effect it was as big a swing against them as it was against Labor, considering the relative size of each Party’s vote.

        If the total percentage they got in Queensland were reflected Australia wide, they would even be hard pressed to get One Quota at a double dissolution.

        They would lose Senators hand over fist.

        That falling Green vote was one of the things I was watching closely here.

        It’s as big a loss for them as it was for Labor.

        I’ll bet there’s a few Senators due for election at the next Poll feeling decidedly uncomfortable, in those three Mainland Eastern States.

        Oddly, it may not actually need a DD for the Liberals to end up controlling the Senate as well.

        If the Conservatives gain an extra Senator in each of those three states, and the greens lose one or two, then the Greens lose that balance of power.

        How sweet that will be.

        Losers in Queensland were Labor and The Greens.

        What is a conundrum here is that Katter’s mob did not take Liberal votes. They took Labor votes.

        Tony.


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          TonyFromOZ,

          Great analysis. I sure wish them may more sleepless nights.

          So the voters have figured the consequences of a protest vote, and how lethal the consequences can be.

          What will they do? Time will tell I guess.


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      Juliar

      Tony actually sent me a tweet a while ago stating that he would call a double dissolution if the tax isn’t repealed so this isn’t news to me! :D


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        Catamon

        Tony actually sent me a tweet a while ago stating that he would call a double dissolution

        Hmmmm… Does that count as writing it down then? Got to be careful with our Tones as he has…..self identified truthfulness issues.


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          Keep the smears going catamon.

          Each time you try to smear tony abbott a puppy dies and another voter remembers what it was like to have a surplus.

          REGIME CHANGE NOW!


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      brennan

      Awesome. As he’s now gone on record as saying it that clearly, he won’t be able to do a Gilliard and lie through his teeth and not pull it off.

      That thought will be soiling the underwear of many of the greens, as I think they’d get smashed in a DD election in the Senate too.


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    Graeme No.3

    RoyFOMR:

    “I always voted at my parties call, and I never thought of thinking for myself at all”.

    W.S. Gilbert 1878


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    RoHa

    My guess is that the mismanagement of the Health Service and the sale of State Assets to private exploiters were more important than the Carbon Tax.

    But the big problem is that the LNP are now in charge.

    I looked carefully at my voting slip, but there were no “None of the above” or “Hang the lot of them” options.


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    Glen Michel

    Governments always ignore the voice of the people- at least until after they are elected.Only a matter of time. The political cycle being what it is. Ennui has well and truly set in and more and more people are rejecting the political process.We may well see a period of one-term governments around Australia until some faith is restored in the system:a new political paradigm.


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      Hasbeen

      Glen that idea sounds more like wishful thinking from a lefty, than any reasoned thought.

      I would say, after such a drubbing that Labor has had, & is likely to suffer next year, a very long time in the wilderness is more likely.

      When more & more evidence that the whole global warming thing was a lefty scam, continues to surface, it is likely that both Green & Labor will become dirty words. That is likely to gain legs, just about the time many may be ready to forgive & forget all Labors present sins.

      It will become increasingly difficult for Labor to continue to appeal to it’s current constituency, with much of their remaining support coming from diametrically opposed sections of the population.

      How you combine the bludger element, bleeding hearts, mild greenies, factory labor, [if any is left], the public service, school teachers, academics, & very wealthy rat bags, into a constituency I really don’t know. I guess it can only be done with a lot of lies, which turn all the real people off, as we have seen.

      Their incredible ability to pick dreadful leaders will assure their wilderness experience. I thought Gillard was bad enough, until I heard/watched that dreadful Keneally woman today. They made her leader. What were they thinking?


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    MadJak

    LOL,

    Here’s a peice from Friday by a Sir John Bunting from the ANU:

    “As results come in we can expect some Greens and independent preferences to flow Labor’s way – meaning it should manage to get over 40% of the two-party preferred vote, perhaps as high as 45%.”

    Just watch the Labour cRusty ones spout his other analysis regarding the lack of connection between federal and State.

    HA HA HA HA HA


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    Juliar

    Interestingly, the new AFL team GWS lost by a smaller margin than the ALP did. :D


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    This would mean Labor falling short of official party status and relying on the incoming LNP government to grant it party offices, staff and resources.

    The australian got it wrong again.

    They seem to only read this bit

    (a) a registered political party of which at least 10% of the
    number of Assembly members provided for under the
    Constitution of Queensland 2001, section 11 (rounded
    up to the nearest whole number) are members; or

    Which out of 89 members, they would need to hold 9 (which they don’t) whereas section B states, and i highlight the “Or” above.

    (b) a registered political party of which at least 3 of the
    Assembly members are members if, for the most recent
    general election, the total number of first preference
    votes for all candidates who were party members was at
    least 10% of the total number of first preference votes
    for all candidates.

    The labour total first preferences are roughly 29% and they remain at ‘party status’

    Source: Parliament of Queensland Act 2001


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    Wayne, s. Job

    When I look at the labor party and their leaders in the way they treat the general population, I am reminded of a “wizard of OZ” cartoon from many years years ago.

    The king is standing on a parapet of the castle with his wizard looking down on an angry crowd, the wizard says “sire the peasants are revolting” the king replied “They certainly are”

    This seems to be the attitude of the we are superior labor politicians. Bye Bligh, run JuLiar the peasants are revolting we have had enough.


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    Reed Coray

    Living in the US I have zero knowledge of Australia politics. I read here and on other blogs that the Labour Party loss was the result of local issues, not its stance on taxing CO2. That may be true. However, to the degree that the CO2 tax contributed to Labour’s loss, I have to believe Joanne and her blog contributed to the defeat. Thank you Joanne.


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      Bob Massey

      I totally agree Reed, Jo has played a very important role by providing the meeting point for the multitude of opinions which are expressed on this site without fear or favour and for that we are truly grateful :) h/T to Jo and her team :)


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    Stephen Brown

    It is now 18:30 on Sunday 25th March here in the UK and there is not one mention of this election result in any of the MSM or the BBC. The ‘election’ of CY Leung as the CEO of the Hong Kong SAR is widely reported.
    Bias? do you really think so?


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    Wait until you see what happens in the US in November. Our labor party (the Democrats) will be reduced to sniveling crybabies. No, wait. They already are. On second thought, someone will have to change their diapers.


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    Glen Michel

    Hasbeen,I’m apolitical pragmatist but surely one who is sick of political/bureaucratic intrusions in ones life. Less government(little as possible) is the way to go!


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    Robert Edwards

    I am hugging myself with glee at this news. I hope and trust that this is the thin end of a very large wedge. After having endured 13 years of a Labour government in the UK, I fully understand the sense of elation when the occupying power is finally ejected.

    But will the collaborators have their heads shaved and be abused in public? I doubt it. Yet.

    I have long maintained that had it not been for the collapse of the Soviet Union then there would have been no ‘environmental’ movement as we know it, as nasty lefties simply grabbed the easiest altar at which to worship; to regroup and re-form.

    Unhappily for us all, this happened to be a semi-solidified structure which offered (albeit flimsily) all the apparatus of a ready-made ‘movement’, soft and easily hijacked.

    Well, sod them. Out, out, out. And never come back.


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    Keith

    Qld Labor’s minivan has Victorian registration. Is this a subtle message that Labor has “gone south” ?


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    [...] Nova writes: Those devastating Queensland Election Results: Voters hate lies and the Carbon [...]


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    Jared Meikle

    I agree with Glen Michel, there is too much government on this country. Do away with state governments and just have Federal and local. What a saving that would be. Anna Bligh what a mess she has left Queensland in, just like Julia & Krudd (or Kevin). Don’t let Julia foolia she is a brainless twit in a skirt. Carbon tax and mining tax is stupid. The carbon tax does not stop polution it just means companies pay to polute and we pay more for their products, same deal with the mining tax. The mines pay taxes and create jobs for many people Australia wide. With the announcement of the mining tax three mining companies are considering pulling the pin on several major projects set for the future. Thanks Julia. When are we going to wake up as Australians, The Labour Party are a bunch of self serving, rip off merchants out to feed their greed. They never have been nor were for the working man. Look at dear G Whitlam, he is still alive because God does not want him. He was a dreadful blight to this counrty when PM, and each time he opens his mouth nothing changes.


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    MadJak

    The Full cost of the bi-election for south Brisbane should be paid for by the Australian Labor party.

    Any complaints from the ALP on this should be responded with adding that the ALP should pay for the voters time to turn out again and vote.

    No question, no debate. Simple. No beaurocracies needed. Welcome to the real world Queensland.


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      John Westman

      I disagree MadJak.

      Bligh should pay personally; it was her decision. She obviously does not give a stuff about the cost and inconvenience to taxpayers. However, I will accept the “inconvenience” to taxpayers as it is democracy in action.

      I see that we have labor stooge, Maxine, adding her less than 2 bobs worth. Remember, Maxine, ignorance is a wonderful state to be in; you do not carry the woes of the world on your shoulders. I hope Maxine, that your postings make you feel good, but you do have a value. It is one of entertainment.


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    MadJak

    Check out the following poll:
    Do you think Bligh’s election defeat in Queensland foreshadows doom for the Gillard government?

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/losers-turn-on-bligh-who-fires-a-final-shot-20120325-1vsii.html#ixzz1qCGjeUyh
    http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/losers-turn-on-bligh-who-fires-a-final-shot-20120325-1vsii.html#poll

    89% Yes or not sure, 11% No.

    Looks pretty clear to me. REGIME CHANGE NOW!


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      MadJak

      Oh and yes, that’s a Poll form the Age’s readers…… HAW HAW HAW…. Running outta popcorn….


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      Dave

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      Another one at the Drum!

      The is how Maxine and The Drum Dummies voted:

      What was the key to the LNP victory in Queensland:
      Lack of trust in Labor 39%
      Just time for a change 38%
      State issues: health, schools etc 15%
      Carbon tax 7%

      How out of touch are the ABC voters – big shock coming your way SOON!


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        Dave

        It looks to me like the ABC employees are the only ones participating in the drum these days.

        Maybe they’ll hire some of their unemployed comrades from the QLD ALP to swell the ABCs ranks? Maybe Media watch needs some more staff to push teh party line.

        Honestly, I really can’;t get over how these morons think that it’s not what they’re doing or how they’re doing, but that it’s somehow just a breakdown in communication. It’s pathetic.


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        Streetcred

        Who bothers to interact with The Drum other than lobotomised Lefties and Greenies ?

        The credible exit polls show a vastly different picture.


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    Steve

    Hmm…Mr Abbott is a Rhodes Scholar. Last I looked, Rhodes was an advocate of a one world govt. Has labour just engineered a guaranteed pushing along a one world govt by falling on its sword?


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    Shining Star

    This election was just another Extreme Event.
    I blame The Carbon!


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    [...] Jo NovaMarch 26, 2012UPDATE: Is this a record? Has there ever been a loss this bad in Australian history? [...]


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    djaymick

    This is a tremendous feat in Australia. It should get huge coverage, but the coverage will be about how the voters are dumb, unable to change and just hooked on “dirty energy”. In America, we have seen the same thing since our last election. The GOP not only took back the House of Representatives (a 70+ seat advantage for the Democrats), but also made huge strides in the state’s government. This hasn’t stopped the Democrats and/or the media from enacting an agenda that the majority of the public is against or the name calling that the Democrats and the media employ when their objectives meet controversy.


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    Fred Allen

    Can’t help being amused at Maxine’s posts and responses earlier. The Qld electorate had bats ready, waiting for this election. When the polls opened, they came in swinging. Maxine’s version of reality varies little from that of the Labor Party. You’re living in delusion Maxine. The Labor Party has promoted from within…predominately good ol’ mates from the unions with no clue of business, administration or sound government. Want to make a comparison Maxine? Unions represent 15% of the Aussie workforce, yet somehow make up the predominant ratio of Labor Party hacks. No elections within the Labor Party; just straightforward annointments. Everyone knew the Labor party stank except the Labor Party. Hats off to the Qld voters. They held emotions in check until the right time and place and then let fly. My Qld parents have voted Labor almost their entire lives. There was no remorse or sympathy from them. They went in swinging too.
    And now the federal Labor Party and sympathetic media are distancing themselves from any association…it was an “election on local issues”. Yep! Canberra’s next. Through rampant and flagrant incompetence, the Labor Party in both state and federal arenas has taken what should be a wealthy nation and put it in a deep hole. And I hope, that not only is Parliament House in Canberra given an enema, but the arrogant public servants that have kowtowed to the Labor Party bidding are given a good kick up the arse as well.


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    Graham Richards

    I wonder if all those ALP hacks are kept awake at night by the sound of the electorate sharpening their many electoral knives……….heh hehe


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    MadJak

    I challenge anyone looking at the ABC Drums Poll results to even try to claim that the ABC drum is the hangout for rusted on ALP Fanatics:

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/thedrum/polls/

    Talk about detached from reality – Our taxes should definitely not be assisting this!!


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    Mike

    ABC censorship is still active. I just tried to add a comment to the article below and it was censored.

    http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/3913872.html?WT.svl=theDrum

    I was not disagreeing with the original article or criticising anybody, just suggesting that the carbon tax had something to do with the election result as well.


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    Truthseeker

    Interesting results from an SMH poll;

    Poll: Do you think Bligh’s election defeat in Queensland foreshadows doom for the Gillard government?
    Yes: 85%
    No: 10%
    Not sure: 5%
    Votes cast: 28728

    Poll closed 27 Mar, 2012

    It gets better;

    Poll: Who do you trust to manage the economy in the interests of working people?

    Labor: 17%
    Coalition: 63%
    Greens: 3%
    None of the above: 17%
    Votes cast: 2053

    Poll closes 28th March, 2012.

    Read more:


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    MadJak

    Haw Haw Haw,

    Checkout the new Queensland ALP Leader :

    Ms Palaszczuk was a former political adviser who started law studies before her father Frank, a Labor veteran, resigned from his seat of Inala, and she won it – Labor’s safest state seat – in 2006

    Sure, that’ll fix things! Let’s trust a Political advisor who became Lawyer who became a politician!


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    Colin Davidson

    All of you are consistently mis-spelling one of the party names.
    It’s “LIBOR”.

    Please spell it correctly in future.


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    David

    Jo – DO keep us posted when the final results for NSW are in – what about the other states/territories..?


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    Miles Yorke

    There is a delicious irony in Campbell Newman’s masterstroke, ordering Greg Withers, Anna Bligh’s husband and ALP Queensland’s climate change supremo, to undo all that he has created. Rather than receiving a $600,000 payout for the presumed sacking and subsequent contract pay-out on Newman’s arrival, he now has the ignominious task of dismantling the Climate Change office and suck it up, or leave of his own volition and not receive a poultice of public monies on which to gloat and gorge. Greg Withers is a long-time friend and ex-flatmate of Greg Combet, another reason to admire the way Newman rolls. For a party that professes to have the average worker as its raison d’être, a pay-out of $600,000 together with fifty one year old Ms Bligh’s indexed annual LIFE pension of $150,000 and other tasty emoluments would be far above the expectations of most of the ‘working families’ the ALP supposedly love so much. A welcome by-product for Queenslanders would be the savings of $250 million; and much, much more for all of us when Tony Abbott takes over the Federal reins in 2013.


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      Dave

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      The ALP pollies are the parasite on their own bodies – and now the body is rejecting them!

      OH! To have $150,000 PA for life!


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    jules

    Yes, but at least we’re assured that we can trust the new new new Julia – She ain’t afraid of no poll!


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    Colin

    Australia is not a true democracy, in the sense it operated in ancient Athens. It is essentially a 2-party system in which citizens generally only get to vote once every few years. This is something quite different.

    However, this system has been shown to work well in as much as one party tends to keep a check on the other – that is, when the two parties are fairly evenly balanced.

    I am currently living in Russia for a few years and here the United Russia Party overwhelms all opposition. The country thus effectively functions as an autocracy with the gesture of periodic (and some say dodgy) elections.

    With Queensland currently reduced to a one-party State, there is little for voters to celebrate. From my distant perspective, the Queensland situation is looking uncomfortably Russian.


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    PeterB in Indianapolis

    Well, Maxine is right about one thing… ONLY one thing, mind you, but I guess that’s better than batting 0/1000 anyway.

    The one thing that Maxine is right about is that President Obama is virtually assured of re-election in the U.S.

    Santorum’s rant about Romney being uniquely disqualified to run against Obama was actually spot-on, but the same comment also applies to Santorum, Gingrich, and (sadly) Ron Paul as well.

    In spite of a still terrible economy and exploding gasoline prices (up by about $1.06 in just the past 2 months or so), Obama has the built in advantage of over 45% of the population being slaves to the government who are not going to vote against their own self-interest. That means he will have to win precious little of the rest of the vote in order to retain office. Romney, who will be the nominee out of a terrible crop of Republican candidates, has far too many exploitable weaknesses to overcome Obama’s advantages as the incumbent President.

    I do not agree with Maxine that Republicans will lose the US House. Further, I believe that the Senate will end up as a 50/50 deadlock, so Vice President Biden will get to cast a lot of tie-breaking votes in the Senate (how’s THAT for a scary scenario?)

    America is sadly about 15-20 years behind Europe and Australia. My belief is that over the next decade Australia, and then most of Europe will suddenly become quite “conservative” out of necessity if nothing else. I suspect that America will be 1.5 to 2 decades behind in realizing this. I just hope by then it won’t be too late….


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      Roger Colclough

      What a load!

      If 45% of the population are ‘slaves’ to the government then you would never have had a succession of Republican governments.

      That is typical of the US scene where the conservatives are slightly to the right of Ghengis Khan and Democrats are not far behind.

      Who else but the USA could support Goldman Sachs and the Wall Street ‘Axis of Evil’ with tax payers money?

      Who else but the USA could condemn nuclear aspirations whilst holding the largest arsenal of mass destruction in mankind’s history?

      Who else but the USA could indulge in ten year wars that are abject failures and whilst suing for ‘Peace’ be the largest exporter of arms in the world.

      Stop proselytising USA and wake up .


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        Mark D.

        You say “what a load” then you heap a much bigger pile of smelly. So much Sh*t I won’t even bother……

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        Roger Colclough
        April 4, 2012 at 8:27 am · Reply
        What a load!

        That is typical of the US scene where the conservatives are slightly to the right of Ghengis Khan and Democrats are not far behind.

        So, you must be quite a ways to the left of Stalin. Have you ever visited one of the “People’s Paradises”?

        Who else but the USA could condemn nuclear aspirations whilst holding the largest arsenal of mass destruction in mankind’s history?

        Who else could have been trusted with an overwhelming force advantage and sole possession of the A-bomb at the end of WWII?
        Imagine (if you are capable) what your life might be like now if “Uncle Joe” Stalin had had the nuclear monopoly. (Or, if the US had ‘minded our own business’ in WWII and after?)

        Who else but the USA could support Goldman Sachs and the Wall Street ‘Axis of Evil’ with tax payers money?

        Who else would have expended vast amounts of money and blood defeating militant totalitarism, then turned around and helped our former mortal enemies become democracies and economic successes? (Against the wishes of our former allies, I might add.)

        The people you admire wouldn’t have considered such an absurd and utopian thing for a moment.

        Stop proselytising USA and wake up.

        Be careful of what you wish for. There are those in the US who are in favor of letting the rest of the world go to Hell. People like you would take it there in a hurry.


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    pyeatte

    People do not like being lied to by their “rulers”, nor do they like ridiculous carbon laws based on a lie and destine to ruin an economy. Congratulations for throwing out the rats.


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    Jen shaw

    So can’t wait for next fed. Election to boot out labor -liars in cohute with lousy greens and those three non independents.


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      Roger Colclough

      Hi Jen, I think you mean ‘cahoots’ I agree with you about independents votes though – they carry far too much influence for the small percentage of the population they represent. I certainly hope that the next federal government of whatever brand, has the numbers both in reps and the senate to govern in their own right.
      Whist we are at it – remove the senate, they are either obstructionist or collusionist solely on party grounds.


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    Roger Colclough

    Well as long as Campbell realises that the election vote was a vote against Labor rather than a vote for the LNP he will do well.
    I wonder if “Can Do” has the guts to take on the electricity monopolies and put an end to price gouging and overspending on infrastructure. (AEMO – Australian Energy Marketing Operator – quotes)


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    Roger Colclough

    Reply to BobC

    Be careful of whom you disparage Bob.
    I fought in Vietnam as an ally of the USA.

    That does not mean that I gave away the right to comment. I fought for those rights amongst other things.

    As for being extreme left that is a ridiculous proposition. At West Point your officers study the campaigns and tactics of Ghenghis Khan, Hannibal, Napoleon, Erwin Rommel and Kharkhov to mention just a few. Making comparisons is hardly the same as taking a belief position.

    However the facts are incontrovertible :

    The US has the largest arsenal of nuclear weapons in the world.

    The US is the largest manufacturer and exporter of arms in the world.

    That the results of Goldman Sachs gambling required a $63bn bailout funded by the US taxpayer.

    The USA entered WW11 when it was attacked at Pearl Harbour. Not out of an overwhelming desire to help the world. Until Pearl Harbour the US maintained an isolationist policy but was quite happy to sell arms to Western countries.

    Truman and Churchill abandoned Eastern European countries to Stalin. I cannot conceive that either one was naive enough to believe that Stalin would institute democracies.

    Hitler and Stalin were neither left nor right but were vicious dictators.

    Britain and Europe are still paying for the largesse of the Marshall Plan.

    Non of this seems to support your ‘saviour and benevolent big brother’ stance.


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    JENSHAW

    Julia is on the slippery dip to Alp grand departure.


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    Roger Colclough

    What a comfortable little club massaging each others egos.

    I have no allegiance to any political party – more to the betterment of Queenslanders.

    ‘Can Do’ has honoured his promise to freeze electricity prices for twelve months. In small print at a cost of $60 million.

    As a taxpayer I would assume that is our money – where are the savings ?

    As for asset sales Beatty sold our power generation, Howard sold Telstra and Qantas, Keating sold the Commonwealth Bank. Whats the difference?

    Will Abbott take on the Reserve Bank which has never been audited and whose shareholders are anonymous and who are largely responsible for the high Australian dollar which is crippling our export industry ?

    Has ‘Can Do’ have the fortitude to take on China Light and Power, ( aka TRU ENERGY ) , and really return some equity in electricity pricing ?


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    Roger Colclough

    Tony From OZ – If you really want the generators price for electricity subscribe to the AEMO website. They will give you a daily price which recently was 32 cents per MEGAWATT Hour in QLD. Or approximately 100 times less than we pay as consumers.
    The AEMO, who are the controlling body, have recently accused the retailers of price gouging and the distributors ofover exaggerating the need for new infrastructure


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