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I’ve been with our five year old in hospital overnight (with asthma), and there is no time to post… thanks to all the people who have donated to Tim Ball’s case (and you can donate through Dr Ball’s website via paypal http://drtimball.com/), and to commenters and moderators here too.

Lubos has a nice line: “To err once is human, to err twice is accident, to err thrice is coincidence, to err four times is dumb, and to err 12 million times is to be David Suzuki.”

– Jo

h/t Val for the paypal address of Tim Ball.

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    Baron

    Thanks for the post Jo – have made my contribution to the legal battle of Tim too. Keep us updated on how it goes. (I’m sure you will!)

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    Siliggy

    “My wife and I huddle at night and weep for our helplessness”
    Yes we have noticed the cold too!

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    Eric Anderson

    Hope your child is OK — please take the time you need. Best wishes.

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    mc

    Jo, i hope your child has a speedy recovery. All the best.

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    Bulldust

    Apologies fo my absence of late .. been adapting to a new job (promotion to a different department) and new MMO (one should have one’s vices). In the real world we have another stark reminder of how ludicrous the Greens’ policies are:

    Greens deputy leader Christine Milne said Australia should be planning to transition to a “100 per cent renewable energy” instead of promoting fossil fuel industries.

    Mr Voelte said Ms Milne’s comments were “past ridiculous”, adding that California, which has invested most in renewable energy, had managed only a 12 per cent penetration of alternative energy sources. Conservationists insist the new tax is merely a cash grab.

    Source: http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/newshome/9176744/carbon-tax-olive-branch-for-lng/

    This is brilliant for a couple of reasons … the full article adequately explains that the LNG industry is booming (APPEA is on in Perth ATM BTW) and that the carbon tax (sic) will not slow growth because of booming world demand. Hence the carbon tax (sic) is simply a tax grab – one point to Christine for recognising that fact (when it is convenient for her – doesn’t seem to apply to carbon prices (sic)).

    In addition it shows she is completely sold on the outrageous BZE concept of going 100% renewable in Australia, the land of resource energy plenty. Can this woman even lie straight in bed?

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    Bulldust

    PS> Czech politics is certainly entertaining if Lubos’ site is anything to go by … personally I have only one rule for politicians, which is that they must entertain us. People like Christine Milne, Bob Katter, Pauline Hanson and Barnaby Joyce get it. Sometimes I laugh with them, sometimes at them.

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    Roy Hogue

    Bulldust,

    What are you talking about? Politicians are too dangerous to be laughing at!

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    Bulldust

    They are only dangerous if they have power… like right now Julia has virtually no power, whereas Bob Brown is the truly dangerous one because he can dethrone Julia at will. I ain’t laughing at Bob, though he is a bit of a nutter.

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    Mark

    Amazing post by Bob Tisdale at WUWT.

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/04/11/satellite-era-sea-surface-temperature-versus-ipcc-hindcastprojections-part-1/#more-37752

    Note the closing summary!

    Hope the youngster is doing well, Jo. I had asthma when young and thought it was all over during one attack so I know how terrifying it can be when you can’t breathe.

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    Roy Hogue

    I hope when I’m on my deathbed that my grandchildren will gather around me and I can look them in the eye and tell them “Grandpa did the best he could”, and that’s all anyone can do. — David Suzuki from Jo’s link

    This underscores what I have believed for a long time, something both amazing and tragic about the human race — people always perform up to their best all the time. Absolutely!

    Think about that! What drives David Suzuki? He thinks himself, “…enough of a scientist…,” and there it stops. He goes no farther because he sees himself as sufficient to decide the issue. That’s his best effort because there’s a brick wall in his head that he put there, that he can’t see and so can’t ever get beyond — can’t ever even think about getting beyond.

    How many politicians does this remind you of?

    And yes, this will be controversial.

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    Mark B.

    Here’s hoping for your kid’s improved health! I’m sure many more folks are hoping so too.

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    Rick Bradford

    It struck me yesterday how easy it is to be Green. “Do you want to save the planet?” “Yes, of course I do.”

    No brainpower required, and instant feelings of self-righteousness.

    How much harder to be a skeptic, where you have to construct rational arguments for defending industry and its inevitable pollution and resource usage.

    Then, of course, the Greens go too far with their puffed-up sense of moral superiority, and insist that everyone must think (and act) as they do, or risk being vilified as a ‘denialist’, paid by evil oil barons.

    That need to coerce people quickly takes over from any ideas about ‘saving the planet’, and so the Green movement becomes the unpleasant, shrill, destructive entity that it is today.

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    pat

    jo, hope all is well with your child now.

    hey, we prefer to believe in flim flam’s prophesies…

    12 April: Sydney Morning Herald, Australia: Daniel Hurst: Dam operators banked on no rain, inquiry hears
    The engineers operating southeast Queensland’s biggest dam in the lead up to the Brisbane flood based their decisions on no further rain flowing into the dam, an inquiry heard yesterday…
    Senior Wivenhoe (Dam) engineer Rob Ayre was quizzed on why his team did not rely heavily on rainfall forecasts when managing water releases into Brisbane River ahead of the city’s flood peak on January 13.
    Mr Ayre said rainfall predictions were volatile and he believed it was best to rely on a no-rainfall scenario when managing the dam.
    “It’s been proven to be the most reliable in the past,” he said…
    http://www.smh.com.au/environment/water-issues/dam-operators-banked-on-no-rain-inquiry-hears-20110411-1daw0.html

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    pat

    follow the mususe of money:

    Australian Govt: Budget 2008-09
    Chapter 1: Budget Highlights
    The Australian Government investment in climate change, water and the environment since the 2007‑08 Budget is $3.8 billion over the four years of the Budget (see Table 1.1 and 1.2 and Chart 1.1 and 1.2)…
    http://www.aph.gov.au/budget/2008-09/content/ministerial_statements/html/climate_change-02.htm

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    crakar24

    The laughs just keep on coming

    http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/448_days_until_labor/

    Read how increased CO2 levels in the ocean are reducing the navigation skills of the clown fish, the only clowns i see around here are the idiots proposing this stuff.

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    handjive

    The Australian 11 April 2011:

    Australia pioneers portal for sustainability on campus

    Sustainability.edu.au is believed to be the first searchable website showing higher education courses, teaching tips and other resources.

    Geoff Scott, UWS pro vice-chancellor for quality, pointed to the variety of resources gathered together by the site.

    “It’s not only got the what — what you might want to do — it’s also got a little bit of the how,” he said.

    A related content link @ website:

    UN Decade of Education for Sustainable Development

    ‘Education for sustainable development (ESD) has come to be seen as a process of learning how to make decisions that consider the long term future of the economy, ecology and equity of all communities.

    Building capacity for such futures-oriented thinking is a key task of education.’
    (The UNESCO Strategy for the Decade)

    The UN has declared 2005-2014 as the Decade of Education for Sustainable Development in recognition of the fundamental importance of education for sustainability.

    ‘The goal of the Decade is to integrate the principles, values and practices of sustainable development into all aspects of education and learning’.

    The good ole UN… you thought they were just into stopping climates from changing.

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    handjive

    Apology if last link failed:

    Vincent Gray: NZCLIMATE TRUTH NEWSLETTER NO 266: THE GREAT CLIMATE CON JOB

    (via climate realists)

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    pat

    more proof that complaining can get results; however, there are still many questions about who pays for dismantling the “private” entities before the Councils can decide what to do. a real costly mess:

    8 April: Australian:Rosanne Barrett: Bligh’s $300m U-turn on water
    UP to $300 million has been squandered in a politically motivated about-face by the Bligh government over water utilities.
    Queensland Premier Anna Bligh yesterday announced she would repeal legislation that tied councils to the three water utilities her government created in 2009 at a cost to taxpayers of $80m…
    But councils will be exposed to a funding gap, with state government bulk water costs expected to rise at least 27 per cent over the same period.
    Southeast Queensland mayors slammed the move as a “political stunt” but Ms Bligh said the government had to act to “protect ratepayers” from water price rises…
    The councils’ peak body reacted angrily to the “one-page policy” announcing the utilities about-face and the cap on water prices. It blamed bulk water prices for the escalating costs that home owners have faced.
    Local Government Association of Queensland executive director Greg Hallam said: “The government is looking for a political bandaid to fix the issue but they haven’t addressed the fundamental issue: the price of bulk water. The whole water grid was created in a panic and now we have got yet another panic.”…
    The Mayor of Moreton Bay, Allan Sutherland, said the policy was “a political stunt because we are in an election year”. “It’s a knee-jerk reaction to Campbell Newman’s announcement (that he was running for parliament),” Mr Sutherland said. “There is no doubt about that whatsoever.”…
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/blighs-300m-u-turn-on-water/story-fn59niix-1226035631618?from=public_rss

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    Rereke Whakaaro

    Jo,

    The experience of having a child with asthma puts a lot of things into perspective.

    I had early onset asthma at about the same age – it was seriously frightening, and I can still recall the sense of panic that my parents were not able to help me.

    And then I had a different sense of panic when my oldest daughter suffered her first asthma attack, and I was unable to help her.

    I would not wish either experience on anybody, child or parent. My thoughts are with you and David. This will pass …

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    crakar24

    Another prediction bites the dust and along with it the scary story promoted by Al Gore and his theft by deception friends

    http://www.thegwpf.org/the-climate-record/2798-what-happened-to-the-climate-refugees.html

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    Ken Stewart

    I hope your child has recovered and you are able to get some hard earned sleep. We did this a few times about 30 years ago with our eldest- not much fun at the time, so you have my sympathy. (He grew out of it, and is a big healthy bloke now.)

    I have put up a new post at http://kenskingdom.wordpress.com/2011/04/12/co2-and-temperature/

    using Mauna Loa and UAH data to show (again) that CO2 change follows temperature change- not the reverse.

    Best wishes
    Ken

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    lmwd

    crakar24 # 21

    This is also how most other doomsday cults get caught out. The doomsday arrives, and the catastrophe doesn’t eventuate. A couple of things usually happen at this point. Some believers drift off realising they’ve been dudded. Some attribute their survival to their extreme efforts to avert doom (we waz spared!). They key learning for the ring leaders is usually to make their new estimates of doom much, much further out. Sound familiar?

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    J.Hansford

    Sorry to hear the young’un is crook. Hopefully it’s mainly a childhood affliction and they’ll grow out of it quickly.

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    crakar24

    Yes it does sound very familiar, in fact we can see this phenomenon unfold before our very eyes on this blog cant we MattB, JULYA, John Brooks etc.

    There is a third alternative in that the God like cult leaders convince their followers to commit suicide before they realise they have been duped, if only we were so lucky.

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    connolly

    All the best with your little one.

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    Siliggy

    From the “Oh no what next” dept:
    “The study by 200 European experts says reactive nitrogen contributes to air pollution, fuels climate change and is estimated to shorten the life of the average resident by six months.”
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-13025304

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    janama

    Hey guys – we all know how to access Andrew Bolt’s blog.

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    MattB

    Janama in #31… is “Hey Guys” code for “Damian Allen”

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    Cookster

    Jo, here’s wishing your child a speedy recovery.

    In relation to the Australian Government’s planned Carbon (Dioxide) Tax, “Phase 2″ has just been announced. “Phase 2″ being the Compensation package. It beggars belief the size of the bureaucracy that will be required to administer this tax, the compensation, the regulation and so on?

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/labor-to-ease-the-carbon-squeeze-with-6-billion-for-households/story-fn59niix-1226038147201

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    Louis Hissink

    It’s worse – it is a UN resolution that is now being put.

    http://www.nationalpost.com/news/world/resolution+looks+give+Mother+Earth+same+righs+humans/4597992/story.html

    UNITED NATIONS — Bolivia will this month table a draft United Nations treaty giving “Mother Earth” the same rights as humans — having just passed a domestic law that does the same for bugs, trees and all other natural things in the South American country.

    The bid aims to have the UN recognize the Earth as a living entity that humans have sought to “dominate and exploit” — to the point that the “wellbeing and existence of many beings” is now threatened.

    The wording may yet evolve, but the general structure is meant to mirror Bolivia’s Law of the Rights of Mother Earth, which Bolivian President Evo Morales enacted in January.

    That document speaks of the country’s natural resources as “blessings,” and grants the Earth a series of specific rights that include rights to life, water and clean air; the right to repair livelihoods affected by human activities, and the right to be free from pollution.

    It also establishes a Ministry of Mother Earth, and provides the planet with an ombudsman whose job is to hear nature’s complaints as voiced by activist and other groups, including the state.

    “If you want to have balance, and you think that the only [entities] who have rights are humans or companies, then how can you reach balance?” said Pablo Salon, Bolivia’s ambassador to the UN. “But if you recognize that nature too has rights, and [if you provide] legal forms to protect and preserve those rights, then you can achieve balance.”

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    Louis Hissink

    I addition Flannery’s Gaia statements now make contextual sense – this whole CAGW agenda is really the UN Agenda 21. This is creeping socialism and most seem to have fallen for it, hook, line and sinker. Welcome to a Brave New World. It is only now that we realise what the Fabians have been involved in.

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    val majkus

    If we ever get adults in charge of Australia again we should secede from the UN and any responsibilities we have pursuant to Kyoto – the latter of which are not enforceable in any event
    I’ve been told that each new Fed Govt has to resign international treaties signed by any previous Fed Govt – in other words ‘NO NEWLY ELECTED GOVERNMENT IS BOUND BY TREATIES SIGNED BY A FORMER GOVERNMENT. THEY MUST ALL BE RE-SIGNED!’
    I don’t think this is correct but does anyone know for sure

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    val majkus

    And talking about Kyoto here’s a link to TonyfromOz Kyoto series on papundits
    http://en.papundits.wordpress.com/tag/the-kyoto-series/
    Okay I haven’t read them all yet but from my knowledge of Tony’s later papundits posts they’ll be well worth the read

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    val majkus

    and read this to make your hair stand on end
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=17826
    Prognosis 2012: Towards a New World Social Order

    by Richard K. Moore

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    lmwd

    Cookster # 33

    The Govt’s push for this plant food tax never seemed rational to me – it will do zero for the climate and will damage the economy. So why do it? Why has Gillard taken such a risk by doing a complete about face on her advice to Rudd and lying to the electorate? It can’t be just to appease Bob.

    Considering they only squeaked through the last election by deal making and even before announcing the tax, things weren’t looking so good (following public opinion after multiple costly stuff-ups and if results in the Vic State election are indicative, later confirmed with the NSW election).

    What their toxic tax does give them is vast amounts of money they will need to buy the next election (given promises of returning to surplus also). They are banking on short-term self-interest. Already the hands are going out for shares of the loot. This will be pork barrelling on an unprecedented scale…… How would the Opposition match that if they have promised to repeal the tax?

    I hope Australian’s will see beyond the initial bribe/handout when it comes time to vote.

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    Penny Barrington

    Jo

    Our son Josiah did the Butekyko breathing program when he was 6 to 7. Paul O’Connell is the practitioner at

    http://www.buteykoairways.com
    in Melbourne. I think that is the site. Jos has never looked back (he is now 23 and never has had any medication from that young age) and we got a life because of this. Worth a try. I know what it is like to have s sick child but now an extremely healthy adult.

    best wishes

    Penny

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