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Ban the Ads? Fossil fuels are “like Tobacco” say clueless bully marketers who use fossil fuels

Shut Up, say Climate Alarmists trying to ban Fossil Fuel Ads

Red fist of comrades, communist.

When science is not on your side you have to stop the other half speaking somehow. Obviously, these marketers are not going to win a science debate.

So 300 public relations geniuses who are dependent on fossil fuels want to deny the companies that feed, cloth, warm and move them — the right to even pay to make their case? Well, Over to you I say. When you switch off the grid, we’ll believe you are sincere, rather than status seeking junkies looking to earn fashionista points in a debate you haven’t done five minutes of real research in.

They, the physics dropouts of university, may protest that they have solar panels, and an EV, and timeshares in a windfarm near Ararat, but not one of them has the integrity to do this properly. All of them rely on power from coal plants in the dead of night to keep them warm, to stabilize the fifty hertz, and to be there when the wind don’t blow. Even in the unlikely event one of the 300 has bought the Super-Uber battery bank that charges their car and the fridge and has themselves disconnected from the grid, — who among them would also eschew flights, and feed themselves with food from farms run with windmills and horses? Or buy mobile phones built from metals mined only by hand or solar powered robots and smelted with sustainable forests? Oh, they protest, but that’s not fair?

What’s not fair are the 240 Volt hypocrites who claim fossil fuels are “like” tobacco while they enjoy the benefits of them every single day of their lives. They are trying to force their own expensive fashionable fantasies on the poor, but they don’t want the poor to hear other views. They resort to namecalling to smear those who provide them their essentials, so the poor don’t find out how stupid it is.

The truth is these marketing brains are scared Fossil fuel ads might make them look like selfish, unethical tyrants:

‘Worse than tobacco’: Climate activists push for ban on fossil fuel ads

Censored, stamp.

By Angus Dalton, Sydney Morning Herald

At least one climate advocacy group argues such marketing should be banned in Australia, in a move similar to the outlawing of tobacco advertising three decades ago.

Comms Declare, a group made up of 300 marketing, public relations, advertising and media professionals, as well as 80 organisations that have committed to not supporting companies contributing to the growth of fossil fuel emissions in Australia, has launched a campaign of its own calling for a tobacco-style blanket ban on advertising by coal, oil and gas companies in Australia.

“We founded in recognition that, famously, marketing and PR has been used for decades to help polluting companies,” Comms Declare chief executive Belinda Noble said. “We want that to stop.”

Image Fist by Rafaelgr and Censored by Piotr VaGla Waglowski

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194 comments to Ban the Ads? Fossil fuels are “like Tobacco” say clueless bully marketers who use fossil fuels

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    Kalm Keith

    An incisive post that shows us the “bigger picture”.

    When we elected representatives for local, state and national governments we had a right to expect that due process would occur.

    It’s not too much to expect that our elected leaders would oversee all routine matters and deal with unexpected problems using the appropriate public structures that are in place.

    Communication to the taxpayers would then be through the appropriate media.

    Unfortunately, as outlined in this post, the media, and those manipulating it, have inserted themselves into the system and are creating the news of the day which effectively sidelines our elected leaders.

    But, on reflection, perhaps our “leaders” want it like this because it diverts attention from their failures and maybe even covers up inappropriate activity.

    Interesting.

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      “Comms Declare, a group made up of 300 marketing, public relations, advertising and media professionals, as well as 80 organisations that have committed to not supporting companies contributing to the growth of fossil fuel emissions in Australia, has launched a campaign of its own calling for a tobacco-style blanket ban on advertising by coal, oil and gas companies in Australia.”

      As in “The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy”, those 300, along with the people from those 80 Organisations, should be shipped off by spacecraft to another Planet to try out their commitment. Experiment somewhere else but not on Blue Planet Earth. The Planet works very well with Mother Nature and not with them.

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        William

        John, I think most of us know who we would like to place on Golgafrinchan Ark Fleet Ship B.

        Interestingly, Douglas Adams included public relations executives in the manifest – rather presciently. However the rest of his passengers are far more useful than the ones I now think deserve to be on the ship and they have outed themselves by signing up to Comms Declare. There are many other worthy passengers and they too are happily self selecting themselves.

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        Muzza

        They certainly sound like B Ark people!

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      Saighdear

      Indeed! ‘… diverts attention from their failures and maybe even covers up inappropriate activity’ Trouble is the world has evolved into an accreditation Society, not a meritocracy. Why bother learning anything. 12 months to get a new Gearbox for a machine …. covid… management….. can’t tell the young of their inadequacies…. it’s all on the Net, social media ….
      WHY, I scream, did my parent’s generation allow and or hand over the reins to those ultra liberal Fools ? water under the bridge – and I’m not a tree hugger – but like to keep a clean yard and not be wasteful. ….

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        Kalm Keith

        “the world has evolved into an accreditation Society, not a meritocracy”.

        A good thought. Just pick a group that you want to belong to and begin complying with the flow. Then comply a bit more; nothing else matters, just the safety of being accepted.

        Doing things correctly is just so old fashioned.

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    Deep greens should have the courage of their convictions and sign up to receive only green energy. When they have to go without power for much of the time when the sun doesn’t shine and the wind doesn’t blow they may be more appreciative of fossil fuels

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      OldOzzie

      Inside Energy

      Published by the Caesar Rodney Institute
      Center for Energy & Environment

      RE: New evidence renewables don’t reduce carbon dioxide emissions – 4 Page PDF

      This comparison of actual regional grid carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions between 2019 and 2021
      shows increased use of wind and solar did not reduce emissions. Wind and solar electric generation are
      actually poor technologies no one would use without permanent government mandates and massive subsidies
      and taxes that are adding $1 billion a year in power cost. They are also unreliable, non-recyclable, have
      negative environmental impacts, have shorter productive life spans than alternative power sources, and take
      up a lot of ground. If it doesn’t reduce carbon dioxide emissions why are we using wind and solar?

      The PJM regional electric grid serves over 65 million people in thirteen states. It is the largest such
      regional grid providing 22% of the countries electric power.

      Table 1 below shows how generation from various technologies changed from 2019 to 2021, Key changes are:

      • Natural gas replaced coal almost one to one as it has been doing so for about the last decade
      • Special oil based backup generators ran significantly more often
      • Total carbon based generation stayed about the same at over 60% of total generation
      • Zero emission nuclear generation fell over 2%, and hydro fell about 5%
      • Combined wind and solar generation grew about 30% replacing lower nuclear and hydro generation
      plus covering a 0.2% increase in total regional generation, but still only equaled about 4% of total
      production despite over a decade of mandates and subsidies
      • Overall the emissions fell 0.8%, a small improvement

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        yarpos

        They seem to leave out the vastly improved efficiency of modern coal plants. The impact of this alone in China which is a) massive and b) retaining and modernizing coal generation has to be significant both in terms of CO2 and actual pollution.

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      A bit like the ACT when they like to brag that they are using 100% Renewables when they are not.

      So, to call their bluff, stop providing Gas and Fossil Fuel generated electricity (if that is possible) to the ACT. Then, let’s see how Federal Government and the ACT Public Service operates in the middle of a Canberra Winter and Summer. No heating and only candles in Winter and no air conditioning and only candles in Summer.

      The power generated by the ACT’s Renewables will only last…………That long.

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    Give greenies a kettle full of water and show them a stack of 250 watt solar panels and invite them to boil the kettle using as many of the solar panels as are needed. Do this during the dark days of a (uk) winter and invite them to try it during any night they care to nominate

    People have no idea of the energy needed for even the most simple things like boiling a kettle let alone cooking dinner or heating a home

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      Graham Richards

      Why give them solar panels to boil their water for, tea, coffee, washing themselves, their clothes, their kids, etc, etc.
      Give them 2 sticks to rub together, some dried up tinder & let’s see their Boy Scout skills of making fire to boil water & feed themselves & their families!
      It’ll be good practice for the future when nobody has any reliable energy.

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        Deano

        What! – two sticks to rub together – thus destroying the forests and further exacerbating global warming?!

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      Tom Appleton

      To see how much it takes to power a house watch
      Human Power Station [youtube]
      80 cyclists pedal to keep a house powered. Lights, oven, kettle. The occupants don’t know how their power is being generated and use appliances just like they normally would. In the end the power demand is beyond the ability of the cyclists to provide, as more appliances are turned on.

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    HB

    This evil activism seems to have infected our banking industry. We urgently need a alternative banking system

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    David Maddison

    Ampol (retail gasoline company) now has PC ads which advertise an EV charging network. They refer to their “mobility” customers”. Well what are the gasoline customers if not mobility as well?

    Note the special status of “mobility”. The Left hate cars and personal mobility and the freedom it brings to non-Elites.

    https://www.ampol.com.au/about-ampol/sustainability/future-energy/ev-charging-network

    Ampol is developing a strategy to transition with our mobility customers by providing an electric vehicle charging service at our retail sites.

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      Ian

      “They refer to their “mobility” customers”.”

      It is a typo. They probably meant Nobility customers

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      OldOzzie

      Piercing the Electric Car Fantasy

      Right now, electric vehicles make up about 1 percent of America’s car fleet. If they pose challenges for the electric grid already, what will the challenges look like if the EV fleet reaches 50 percent of the auto fleet as Biden proposes?

      A recent little-noticed report from Volvo punctures this green myth – 51 page PDF

      Even though the very green Volvovians try very hard to obscure this conclusion. The report notes what a number of neutral analysts have pointed out for some time now: EVs are more material-intensive than old-fashioned gasoline-powered cars, requiring more steel, aluminum, copper, and other rare earth minerals and specialty products like magnets that must be mined (which environmentalists oppose) and require an energy-intensive process to manufacture into shiny EVs. And that’s before you get to the huge quantity of lithium needed for the batteries.

      Thus it is eye-popping when Volvo admits that the carbon footprint for the manufacturing of its C40 Recharge electric car is 70 percent higher than its comparable internal combustion version of the car (the XC40). But not to worry, says Volvo: you’ll make up the higher manufacturing emissions when you drive the emission-free EV far enough.

      How far? Kudos to Volvo for calculating that: at the world’s average electricity sourcing today, a C40 driver would need to drive his car 68,000 miles to reach a break-even carbon footprint with a gasoline-powered model. The average American drives about 14,000 miles a year, and thus would need to drive his Volvo EV almost five years before reaching a lower carbon footprint

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        Geoffrey Williams

        Right on Ozzie, if I were Ford, or volvo, or mitsubishi I would not be throwing away my plans and templates etc for my petrol cars just yet . .

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          Dennis

          As German manufacturers have decided not to do, and with Government support.

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            MattM

            Now beer companies, supermarkets and the ridiculous Suncorp ad with a man crying on the lounge and saying we are all doomed. For me every time I see an ad for a company that says is is going 100% renewable or we have to use their banking product to save the planet. That ad is telling me to spend or put my money elsewhere. Advertise your ridiculous green stance and I will use your ad as a warning that your company does not care for humanity and I will go somewhere else.

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            Deano

            “As German manufacturers have decided not to do” – Ahhh – that’s interesting. I’d heard the ABC trumpeting about a year ago that all German car makers had ceased any further development of ICEs as EVs would soon be their only product. I wondered how long that policy would last.

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        Dennis

        The “savings” from driving an EV are really good if you wait long enough to reach break even point, firstly paying a hefty premium drive away price compared to a comparable internal combustion engine vehicle.

        The premium price difference would buy a lot of fossil liquid fuel and vehicle servicing before achieving a break even point to start saving on running costs.

        But few sales stories explain the break even situation, or that the battery pack is a future fuel cost and in between replacement an electric vehicle trade-in price loss factor.

        Add this to Volvo’s admission.

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          Rupert Ashford

          Good point, replacement of the battery pack is due from around the 7 year mark isn’t it? So you pass break even for about 2 years and then back to square 1. And the types driving this priced cars don’t drive them for 5 years so stuff the poor, stuff the environment, stuff the planet…

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            Joao Martins

            Worse still: the types driving EV will pass the cost of replacing the battery to the poorer who buy their cars in the second hand market.

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        Michael

        old Ozzie; but after 5 years the batteries will be getting a bit clapped out – after all they are only guaranteed for 8 years (maybe, under what charging conditions and other reservations) and at that point they are stated to be only at 70% of original capacity. So better factor in a new battery pack to that breakeven point.

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        PeterPetrum

        The average American drives about 14,000 miles a year, and thus would need to drive his Volvo EV almost five years before reaching a lower carbon footprint

        And then it would almost be time to replace the batteries. And round we go again.

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    David Maddison

    Back in the day, when I was in third grade, I remember being taught about all the wonderful products such as petrochemicals including wonderful polymers (plastics) and fertilisers that were derived from gas, oil and coal.

    It wouldn’t happen today. Most people would have no clue where these things come from. However your average “school” or “university” graduate would be able to name all 57 supposed genders or whatever they’re up to now and very little else.

    The ignorance is so profound I’m not sure if or how it can be reversed.

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      Scissor

      Most of those who survive the Great Reset will have better than average intelligence.

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        skeptocynic

        @Scissor, according to my understanding of Yuval Harari’s pronouncements, intelligence won’t help you survive the Great Reset, obedience is the required trait they’ll be selecting for.

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      It's all BS

      At least we have 57 navigational stars to use once GPS is defunct

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      Ian

      “including wonderful polymers (plastics)”

      Plastics which are now being banned all over the world, have certainly turned out to be significantly less than wonderful. How times change.

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        John Hultquist

        I wonder what sort of instrument (computer, cell phone, other) you are using to read and comment on this forum?
        What would happen if all the parts thereof, made of plastics, disappear in an annihilating puff of nothingness?
        Unless the chair you sit on is carved by wood with hand tools of Obsidian, should all the “less than wonderful” plastics disappear you would likely be dumped onto dirt in your nakedness.

        All together now, imagine the plastics in Ian’s life going poof!

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        David Maddison

        The scary thing is, Ian, is that you probably don’t realise that almost every single thing you touch or use is in some way, directly or indirectly, a petrochemical derivative.

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          Ian

          “The scary thing is, Ian, is that you probably don’t realise that almost every single thing you touch or use is in some way, directly or indirectly, a petrochemical derivative.”

          Yes, you’re quite right. My comment was very poorly put together as I did not make it plain I was commenting on disposable plastics not all plastic items.

          My apologises for my carelessness

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        yarpos

        equates superficial straw and shopping bag virtue signaling with “Plastics which are now being banned all over the world”

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        Chris

        Ian, plastics are basically hydrocarbons. Bacteria has adapted to eat them, it is being found on the floating plastic islands and in rubbish tips. It wasn’t that long ago when bacteria did not eat oil spills now that is the norm. It won’t belong before someone capitalises on this.

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    Geoffrey Williams

    I have noticed quite clearly since the Anthony Albanese election the gain in confidence of the left in all aspects of climate alarmism, every day on the radio with the ABC and television there is more and more of of this rubbish ; news from overseas of fires or flooding, EV’s and how cheap they are to run on coal fired power, hydrogen energy will save us, reports from ‘experts’ forecasting end of world scenarios, our polluting lifestyles, eat less meat, and the list is endless. The last election was a bad one to lose.

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      A happy little debunker

      Every Australian federal election since 2007 was a bad one for ‘Conservatives™’ to lose…

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      Mike Jonas

      Geoffrey Williams – I have given your comment a ‘+’ but I don’t quite agree with your last sentence “The last election was a bad one to lose.”. The last election was a bad choice, and it may be that if the Liberals can regroup behind someone who ‘gets it’, then three years of wilderness for the Liberals may be better for the country than three more years of Scott Morrison. We may eventually find that Australian voters took the better option. For all our sakes, I hope so.

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        simple engineer

        Hear,hear

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        Geoffrey Williams

        Hope you are right mike . .

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        Dennis

        The Labor Media Management Department and advertising agency spin doctors are very good at political character assassination and including using left leaning media to spread misinformation to change public perceptions, and perceptions are a major factor in voting trends.

        “Doesn’t hold a hose”, “not my job”, for example and when those words are inserted back into the complete conversation a completely different perception emerges.

        Net zero emissions, not often mentioned that at COP26 PM Morrison said “aspirational goal” and subject to new technology being developed without damaging the economy. Not often mentioned that he refused to stop coal mining and export or increase Australia’s Paris Agreement emissions target at that Conference. Or earlier had withdrawn Australia for donating to UN “green funds” in 2019. And as for the international climate hoax politics and manoeuvreing no acknowledgement of that either. Or that our PM was under pressure from our major allies UK and US leaders at COP26 to cooperate with IPCC demands.

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          Rupert Ashford

          Spot on Dennis. The Government was threatened with unofficial trade sanctions (they wouldn’t name it that harshly – they are compassionate after all and it’s for your own good) if they didn’t at least pay lip service to those goals. Global politics is not that simple…

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            Dennis

            Similar to the seemingly endless threats by the UN to declare the Great Barrier Reef in danger, blackmail effectively, tourism is a major Queensland GBR factor and therefore impacts on the national economy.

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          Advertising agency spin doctors are also good at subliminal messaging – anyone who buys a throat lozenge after a recommendation from a teal-coloured cartoon character in a white lab coat is lost to reality. I wonder how many other ads will feature the colour teal in their pitch.

          Here’s my pitch:

          Net zero emissions = net zero economy.

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        Muzza

        I’m hoping the slow motion train smash that Airbus Albo and his clueless sidekick Blackout Bowen are driving us toward will ensure Labor is never elected again. As we all sit in the dark eating bugs……

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      With any luck Albo will get his way closing coal fired power stations to the point we have widespread blackouts all down the east coast just before the next election. Technology ignores ideology, a lesson dumb politicians will learn soon enough. A lesson Europe and US are experiencing now, but too pig headed to concede.

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        Ronin

        Next Fed election in about 2025 should see one, maybe two large coallies shut down and any unexpected ‘breakage’ of aged plants will add to that, should be interesting.

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      mundi

      Labor’s policy of climate action claims power bills will reduce by 18% and create 400,000 jobs. The delusion is off the chart.

      Even Green supporters don’t offset their carbon when flying etc, because they have all been told green power is cheaper and that the only obstacle is political will, so there is no need for them to pay or do anything.

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    Rick C

    So banning tobacco ads in Australia has ended cigarette smoking? Let’s see – cost of a packet of 20 cigs – A$26, Taxes collected annually A$17 billion. Looks like someone must still be smoking down under. Well, that worked so well let’s try it with petrol – no advertising and a A$10/liter additional tax should do it. Good luck with that.

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      David Maddison

      And the Government wants people to keep smoking, hence them banning vaping with nicotine which is hugely less harmful than tobacco.

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      Scissor

      Seems like there ought to be good money in black market tobacco.

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        David Maddison

        In Australia “black market” tobacco is treated like any other illegal drug like heroine, crack, cocaine etc. The government is addicted to the revenue and won’t let their market share be compromised.

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          Ian

          “like any other illegal drug like heroine, crack, cocaine etc. ”

          Crack is cocaine.

          “Cocaine is a hydrochloride salt in its powdered form, while crack cocaine is derived from powdered cocaine by combining it with water and another substance, usually baking soda (sodium bicarbonate). After cocaine and baking soda are combined, the mixture is boiled, and a solid forms. Once it’s cooled and broken into smaller pieces, these pieces are sold as crack. `’

          https://americanaddictioncenters.org/cocaine-treatment/differences-with-crack

          [Ian, you have a knack for going off topic and for trivial reasons. Please Stop. – Jo]

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            David Maddison

            It’s a form of cocaine. It was quite appropriate to list it as a separate drug as it is misused in a different way to conventional cocaine. It’s silly to try and score points on trivial issues

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            yarpos

            Crack is cocaine. Supported by a quote that describes precisely why it isnt.

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            paul courtney

            Mr. Ian: Thank you so much for your edifying comment, I thought he meant the other crack.
            /sarc/

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          Bruce

          Kown in th e”trade” as “chop-chop”, “off the radar” tobacco has been out there fore years.

          What I also remember fron the 1960s ia a= the number of , say, pineapple farms, that moved to tobacco as a more reliable income stream..

          Like Cannabis Sativa, tobacco grows quite well in the wild, even without pesticides.

          Speaking of Cannabis sativa, in the “good-old-days when Australia actually had heavy industries, the otherwise sleepy ship-building and railway engineering city of Maryborough, Queensland, was virtually surrounded by Cannabis farms. Where else did you think HEMP rope was sourced for the ship and general rope production?

          We are being herded by sociopaths; death-cultists. Act appropriately, for the sake of your families.

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      A pack of 20 smokes is more like $50.00.

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        Bruce

        About the same as a modest bottle of spirits or a slab of beer?. Funny how that works. If you break down the money in a single can of beer, the ACTUAL production cost of the amber is tiny. The can is about 15 cents and the retailer markup is minimal; turnover is king.An interesting thought is that some government number crunchers / actuaries, are constantly keeping tabs on how to carefully “tickle” the complementary actions of driving people to drink and taxing them extortionately for their behaviour.

        ALL of the rest is state and Feral excises and taxes. For this “donation” to the princely coffers, we receive in return????? Also, it appears that the taxes / excise raised on tobacco are in excess of the burgeoning “health” budget. You can hide a LOT of creativity in the consolidated revenue process.

        FOLLOW THE MONEY.

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          yarpos

          The linkage between a tax source and tax spending ie. tobacco taxes on health, fuel taxes on roads really only exists in the minds of optimists in the public.

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    David Maddison

    Cluelessless tends to encourage even more cluelessness.

    So once the Sheeple accept this ban on fossil fuel advertising they will be able to accept even more stupid propositions and beliefs.

    And so it goes, on an ever-downward spiral toward eventual civilisational collapse, as is the plan…

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    Rosco

    Tell who these morons are so that I can add them to my personal “boycott at all costs” list.

    We need people power to go fully economic on the woke/climate insanity suppliers of products we really do not need. Send them broke ASAP.

    I still say give ’em what they think they want ASAP – short of their having an increase in IQ above 20 deprivation of their lifestyle is the only thing that will show them their folly.

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      Lawrie

      When Mike Lindell’s products (My Pillow) were banned by Bed Bath & Beyond that company thought they were on a winner. In the past 30 months since they banned Mike they have had to shut some stores and Mike now sells on line. He is doing well and they are not. Go woke go broke. We do need to publish a do not buy list here. I try to do my bit by avoiding where possible anything made in China, Liddells milk products and Colgate. I know there are many more that should be on the list. BTW Schick razors are better than woke Gillette.

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      David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

      And would someone tell Adam Bandt to just shut up. He’s not even a member of the Government, yet he carries on as if he’s important. And that after being rejected by about 90% of the voting population. I wish he’d close down the Greens rather than coal. That at least would be a positive act for Australia.
      Cheers
      Dave B

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      Rosco, I like the way you think. This is them — https://fossiladban.org/

      And fabulously, they have a way to email your local council. So lets use it! They have a proforma you can fill in… It will prompt you with names of the right councilors.

      Let’s send a message about how important it is to protect the quality of life for the poor, and to teach our children to be grateful for the energy that allows them to go to school and uni instead of working 6 days in grinding factories.

      The supporters are listed here: https://fossiladban.org/about/

      PS: Anyone have the Tech skills to scrape the list of names and councils? Could be handy…

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        PeterPetrum

        You are correct, Jo. It lists all the councils and when I clicked on mine (Blue Mountains) it brought up the name of the Chief Honcho with the email address and the pro-forma message can be erased and replaced with our own.

        I am going to write my own message (which will adopt some of the clues from Alex Epstein’s excellent book, Fossil Future) which makes the whole thing very easy.

        You might like to consider a blog post with this link and a suggested message that could be sent by everybody on this site. What a great fifth column. Thank you Comms Declare!

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        Dave

        I agree
        Simple way to use their web page to send our message.

        But I am worried what the email result will be to the Councillor?

        Will it be what we write?

        Any way to check this?

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    Lawrie

    No doubt they permit advertisements for Chinese made fridges, TVs and T shirts all made by Coal and gas. Maybe they need a dose of Sri Lanka agriculture. Only when the elites suffer will we see change.

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    Rudolph Hucker

    I have shares in a Spanish Solar Farm I can sell them. It’s a very special solar farm, it produces electricty 24×365, even in the depth of winter and at night. What’s that humming noise in the background? Diesel generators? Oh no no no. Nothing to see here, move along please.

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      PeterPetrum

      I put a comment about that into The Australian. Rejected! I mentioned that the reason for the skulduggery was that the diesel generation was cheaper than the price they got for their “solar” energy but some back room fact checker at The Oz did not seem to like that!

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    Penguinite

    This has all the trappings of tobacco and global warming kill meme. Like a dripping tap, these hypocrites will drip away until they need a plumber?

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    MrGrimNasty

    Audacious PR plot or defending human progress from deluded wreckers!
    https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-62225696
    It’s a ridiculous accusation considering the supposed overwhelming evidence and consensus hadn’t been fabricated at the time.

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      KP

      “He maintains that climate science was too uncertain in the 1990s to warrant “drastic actions”, and that developing countries – particularly China and Russia – have ultimately been responsible for the decades of climate inaction, rather than American industry. ”

      Well, thank goodness for Mr Putin & Mr Jinping !! Saving the world compared to the “leaders” in the West!

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    David Maddison

    The Left want to ban fossil fuel ads because they have a fundamental terror of people thinking for themselves or making their own decisions. Hence their lack of tolerance of free speech in general.

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    Peter Fitzroy

    Why do these companies need to advertise in the first place? As the post states we all use the products.

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      David Maddison

      we all use the products.

      I would hope you don’t Peter.

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        Philip

        How do you think about it Peter ? Do you think you are forced to use fossil fuels because you’re trapped in the system, and its up to the system to change ?

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      robert rosicka

      True Peter Fitz but just because they don’t have to advertise shouldn’t mean they can’t , I’d rather they banned sports betting ads or ads selling a product claiming to be clean and greens such as bamboo pillows etc .

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      Grogery

      Why do these companies need to advertise in the first place? As the post states we all use the products.

      Using that twisted logic, why does any company need to advertise?

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      Old Cocky

      Because there’s more than one company selling fuel and more than one selling lubricants?

      Oils ain’t oils, Sol.

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        yarpos

        PF is unfamiliar with basic business realities like competition

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        Peter Fitzroy

        Not quite, there are a few distributors, but the product is the same. I buy on price, not on brand. Why pay more, when the fuel is essentially the same no matter what the label on the marquee says

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          Robert Swan

          At which point companies use advertising to *make* a difference. IIRC, Esso “put a tiger in your tank”, while Caltex was “final filter clean” and, more recently, BP has gone “Beyond Petroleum”. Much the same as Cold Power vs. Drive vs. Omo, etc.

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          Kalm Keith

          Why do people keep talking about big circus tents?

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          Old Cocky

          Fuels are very similar for the same grades, hence the various non-price differentiators such as the stock in the shop and the food in the cafe, along with the rather limited advertising.

          Lubricants are a different matter, with different bases and additive blends actually making a difference to their lubrication and lifetime characteristics.

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          I can’t remember Peter, did you tell us we should ban Big Pharma Ads because “we all use them?”

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            Peter Fitzroy

            If you mean substitutes for healthy eating, or pain medication which performs slightly better than placebos, then there is a large part of the population which does not use them, and therefore we don’t all use them. Even then, do you buy the brand, or the cheaper generic?

            however, if you need the wish fulfillment fantasy of a [email protected] cold tablet, soldier on.

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          yarpos

          You are not the market, you are an anecdote

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      MrGrimNasty

      Well Peter a better question might be why do cheap reliable secure green renewables and everything and every policy associated with them require not just endless adverts, but propaganda relentlessly inserted into the whole fabric of life backed up with £trillions to co-opt and corrupt the vast majority of national institutions in the western world, to convince people that they are not in fact expensive, unreliable and destroying the landscape and nature.

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    Robber

    Daily oil consumption in Australia 1,114,645 barrels/day, about 1% of global demand.

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      Graham Richards

      1%?. That’s scandalous. Time to shut it down to 0. Pity about the government’s revenue though!😂😂

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      Philip

      Australian cars should be LPG. We have a very large amount of it apparently. I had one for years, it was great, a big 350 Chev on gas.

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    cadger

    “300 marketing, public relations, advertising and media professionals”

    I’ll bet every last one of them have Elite status with their preferred frequent flyer program.

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      David Maddison

      Another subsidy to Big Green is that when the Australian Government buys airline tickets for its public serpents, it always purchases the optional “carbon (sic) offsets”.

      Someone is making a fortune harvesting these taxpayer subsidies to Big Green.

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      wal1957

      ’ll bet every last one of them have Elite status with their preferred frequent flyer program.

      …and his/her/they pronouns.

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      Lawrie

      “300 marketing, public relations, advertising and media professionals” Collectively AKA hypocrites.

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      yarpos

      “professional” gets used very loosely these days

      I wonder of thats even one percent of people engaged in marketing, PR and the media?

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    Neville

    AGAIN , here is the REAL planet Earth and the countries’ co2 emissions since 1970.
    These crazy loonies understand nothing about the REAL world, but BELIEVE anything about their FANTASY world.
    Of course many hundreds of new coal powered stns are under construction NOW and yet we’re supposed to rely on TOXIC, UNRELIABLE, RUINABLE disasters like S & W.
    Why don’t the Labor / Greens donkeys care about the proper DATA/EVIDENCE and why don’t they care about OUR ENVIRONMENT?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions#/media/File:World_fossil_carbon_dioxide_emissions_six_top_countries_and_confederations.png

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    Honk R Smith

    “We founded in recognition that, famously, marketing and PR has been used for decades to help polluting companies,”

    LOL
    Remember when they used to say this about Pharma companies?
    Shall we list Pharma industry damage settlements?

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    TdeF

    It would only take one group with science credibility to state categorically that fossil fuel CO2 (aka pollution) is under 4%. Our own CSIRO would be nice. Any major university. It would kill nett zero dead. And windmills.

    Why are no environmentalists the slightest bit upset about China?

    At 1.4 Billion people but only 1/5th of the world’s population China’s CO2 output is 3x that of the world average. It’s not far off 2/3 of all the world’s CO2 from one country and no one says a thing.

    But the farmers in tiny Ireland and Nederlands are being told they have to shut down their agriculture.
    Who is paying these very concerned activists?

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      TdeF

      The essential question is not whether CO2 has some effect on the weather. The question is whether the CO2 is man made.

      And no one has proven the absurd idea that CO2 is insoluble when everyone knows CO2 is very soluble. In fact it is 30x more soluble than the oxygen on which all sea creatures rely. And our own CSIRO is besotted by ocean ‘acidification’ when all the oceans are alkali and will always be alkali.

      Why are our tertiary institutions not questioning rapid man made Global Warming when it is obviously wrong after 34 years?

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      Neville

      Yes TdeF , but the CSIRO quote from their Cape Grim site already states that the SH is a NET co2 SINK and the NH is the NET co2 SOURCE.
      See my link below that I’ve linked to many times.
      But I agree that Human co2 emissions are only about 4% of TOTAL emissions and NATURAL co2 emissions therefore make up about 96%.

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        TdeF

        The Nett Sink and nett source is very confusing in that it is not clear whether they are talking about human CO2, which is negligible and general CO2 which goes in and out of the water all the time, like all gases.

        Yes cold water absorbs CO2 on balance and hot water emits CO2 on balance. That is reality with dissolved gases and all the fish live on dissolved gases, the most soluble of which by 30:1 is CO2.

        And there is much more water in the Southern Hemisphere and a lot more of it is hotter but a lot more of it is also colder.

        So it is not clear what the alleged experts in the CSIRO are on about. If total CO2 goes up because of the release of old trapped fossil fuel CO2, this does NOT mean CO2 goes up. The whole atmosphere is in rapid, constant equilibrium and 72% of the surface of the planet is water, far more if you count Antarctica as a frozen ocean on top of the land and the size of South America or two Australias.

        The very idea that our little CO2 disturbs the total of the gigantic amount of free CO2 gas on the planet is prima facie ridiculous.

        And that is before the long story starts about CO2 causing warming.

        What is abundantly clear is that warming increases CO2.

        And secondly that CO2 causes trees to grow. Not that trees reduce CO2.

        All the CSIRO science is upside down, but they are a third rate organization on the bottom of the planet and slaves to their political masters. It’s retirement home from graduation to the pension.

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          TdeF

          Gas molecules are trapped by waves and wind ripples or just proximity and enter the ocean at the surface boundary. Equally gas molecules randomly leave the ocean, again at the surface. This happens all the time whether trees or people or engines exist. What determines the overall direction of flow is the temperature at the surface. If the temperature is higher, the gas molecules have more kinetic energy and escape more than they enter and v.v.

          It is just a random kinetic selection process summarised in Henry’s Law. Hotter water means more CO2 leaves than enters.

          And there is no chemical difference whatsoever between old CO2 and relatively recent CO2, old CO2 being CO2 trapped for 150 million years in rotted plant matter. It is chemically and physically identical. Except that old CO2 has lost the one in a trillion molecules of C14O2 and you can measure this with radiation because C14 is radioactive. This is the basis of radio carbon dating.

          And with this one difference you can tell absolutely how much old CO2 is in the air. In 1958 it was 2.3%+/-0.15%. And I see no reason today for it to be over 4%. But we are paying the CSIRO hundreds of millions a year to say nothing about the biggest threat to world peace and threatening the extinction of the human race. And you can count the ANSTO in that group. 1,000 full time nuclear people who are furiously saying nothing, jaws firmly closed. And more thousands in the University Physics departments. Chirp. Chirp.

          They are doing nothing, saying nothing because they dare not. They all saw what happened to head physicist Prof Peter Ridd who dared to point out the fake science. To point out fake science can get you fired without compensation. Free speech if not illegal is improper, uncollegiate and an outright breach of contract in Australian Universities.

          And it’s as if the sure and certain knowledge from 74 years ago and published by the Royal Society has been forgotten, not least by the Royal Society itself.

          Science truth is what business managers and politicians say it is. And that includes the IPCC and the WHO.

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            KP

            “To point out fake science can get you fired without compensation.”

            As the Doctors have found…

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      Neville

      I think the wasted funds from the crazy OECD countries are paying for this lunacy.
      And that’s trillions of wasted $ from OECD countries over the last few decades. And all for a guaranteed ZERO return for the global climate.

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    Neville

    AGAIN just for our ignorant Labor/ Greens donkeys is the quote from the CSIRO about the SH being a NET co2 SINK and the NH being a NET SOURCE of co2.
    This is very simple when you understand that the SH Human co2 emissions are about 6% and the NH human emissions are 94% of all countries/Human global co2 emissions.
    Why don’t these donkeys understand the DATA? Here’s the CSIRO quote.

    “Seasonal variation”
    “Carbon dioxide concentrations show seasonal variations (annual cycles) that vary according to global location and altitude. Several processes contribute to carbon dioxide annual cycles: for example, uptake and release of carbon dioxide by terrestrial plants and the oceans, and the transport of carbon dioxide around the globe from source regions (the Northern Hemisphere is a net source of carbon dioxide, the Southern Hemisphere a net sink)”.

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      Neville

      Here AGAIN is the CSIRO link for Cape Grim and the 414 ppm co2 level is about 5 ppm less than Mauna Loa at 419 ppm.

      https://capegrim.csiro.au/

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        Bruce

        Mauna Loa is an ACTIVE volcano, littered with scientific research establishments; labs, astronomical observatories, etc. There is a very well construed road you can drive up to see all this science. The local loonies have been trying to shut down similar facilities on Mauna Kea, on the other side of the island; More “political science” in action.

        Now, kiddies, what are the TOP TWO gases commonly vented by volcanoes?

        CO2 and steam / water vapour. Several nasty sulphur compounds rate a mention, but only because their smell is a whole lot more obvious than that of CO2 and water vapour.

        So, we have sensors, at about the ten-thousand foot altitude mark, on top of an active volcano, measuring CO2.

        Science!

        Also interesting to note is that this altitude is, give or take, about the global marker for the “Tree line”. i.e., the line above which serious trees are quite hard to find.

        Too cold? NOPE. Not enough CO2; said gas being relatively “dense”, it amasses more in the lower atmosphere, where it provides PLANT FOOD.

        Speaking of CO2 and oceans, the top metre or less of the worlds oceans contain enough phytoplankton to produce MOST of the worlds free oxygen. The trope of the Amazon basin being the “lungs of the world” is , to be polite, pure fiction. This is especially so when the transpiration patterns of “mature” rain forests are understood. With all of the decaying organic matter littering the forest floor , couple with the REVERSAL of th transpiration regime of mature plants at NIGHT, it is quite possible that the entire basin is anything but a CO2 “sink”.

        The ACTUAL CO2 “sinks are all the plants in active, rapid growth phase; i.e. CROPS and young tree saplings.

        Of course, this does not fit the current political science, so it is suppressed. Any guesses why the eco-nazis are pivoting to the demonization of the gas that makes up almost 80% of our atmosphere; Nitrogen?

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        yarpos

        If that graph had the same downward slope we really would be facing an emergency

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        TdeF

        Great graph and up to date. And apart from the obvious annual seasonal wobbles with ocean temperature seems to plot an almost perfect straight line with no evidence at all of human occupation of the planet. We don’t even show up but we are told it goes up because of fossil fuels? Absolute nonsense.

        So where’s the hockey stick? Man made CO2 is patently untrue?

        Where is any evidence of volcanoes, bushfires or the world shut down of cars, planes and ships in the last two years?

        All actions, windmills, solar panels and more should be measured by this graph and they show nothing.

        If we cannot even put a dent in the graph with massive bushfires, what is the hope we can do it by any means at all? Which is why no one in politics measures CO2, the thing we are supposed to be controlling. They calculate ’emissions’ as in ‘toxic emissions’ and fill the press with what Chis Mitchell calls Climate Porn. And make out CO2 gas is really a toxic industrial byproduct when along with that other gas/liquid/solid H2O it is the basis of all life on earth. 10% of all human CO2 is just 8 billion people breathing.

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        el+gordo

        If we are to convince the MSM that CO2 doesn’t cause global warming, temps have to fall below the line and stay there for a decade.

        https://www.drroyspencer.com/latest-global-temperatures/

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    David Maddison

    Remember where this is all going.

    It is a war against Enlightenment values and the Industrial Revolution.

    They (Left/Elites) want to return us to a time before the steam engine, mechanised science-based agriculture and Enlightenment values such as freedom, self-determination, free speech, ongoing progress, liberty, tolerance, fraternity, constitutional government etc..

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      David Maddison

      With traditional Western Judeo-Christian religion replaced with Green religion. Gaia worship etc..

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    Neville

    AGAIN here’s more solid proof from a cornered chief Scientist who truthfully answered a Senator’s question.
    Over to Senator MacDonald and Dr Finkel, who was under oath.
    So why are our pollies, MSM, public service,so called scientists etc so ignorant about the DATA and EVIDENCE?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJY8xKknpms

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      David Maddison

      Because it’s not about evidence or even “saving the planet”. See my post #23 above.

      The Left/Elites and their useful idiots are trying to deconstruct Western Civilisation and return us to a time before The Enlightenment and the Industrial Revolution.

      It is The Road to Serfdom as Friedrich von Hayek put it.

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    another ian

    “Neil Oliver, The Build Back Better Agenda is Anti Human, We Need to Start Calling Them Out
    July 24, 2022 | Sundance | 176 Comments”

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/07/24/neil-oliver-the-build-back-better-agenda-is-anti-human-we-need-to-start-calling-them-out/

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      another ian

      “Neil Oliver uses his weekly monologue to challenge the originating precept of the Great Reset, Build Back Better or New World Order, agenda. Get beyond the talking points and every policy from within the World Economic Forum instructions boils down to the quackery behind anti-humanism.”

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    Old Goat

    More “useful idiots” . The long march continues . Rhetoric trumps reality again and the gullible continue to believe in fantasies and lies . The good news is that a lot of the people I know are waking up , but the “voting” public is not .

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    Ronin

    I wonder if these deep green clowns realise that Big Oil makes the fuel that powers planes of all types and sizes, yes, even private jets, you listening Harry ?.

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    Neville

    AGAIN here’s more SOLID PROOF about the wonderful use and VALUE of FOSSIL fuels and it only takes about 4 minutes to watch Dr Rosling’s video.
    So why are the clueless OECD countries IGNORING the DATA and wasting trillions of $ for ZERO change to our CLIMATE?
    AGAIN even today the world still relies on FOSSIL FUELS to generate 80% + of TOTAL GLOBAL energy and yet our OECD countries actually BELIEVE this is damaging Humans and the ENVIRONMENT?
    What fantasy world DATA do these loonies follow for their barking mad claims?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbkSRLYSojo

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      Neville

      Never forget that Dr Rosling used 120,000 data points from 1810 to 2010 and SOURCED from the REAL world to prove his case.
      Yet today we choose to BELIEVE in DELUSIONAL, RELIGIOUS nonsense from their FANTASY world.
      Also in May 2022 Aussies happily voted for this LUNACY?

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    Richard+Jenkins

    Penny Wong pushed for and won bans on cigarette packet labels The senator claimed this would reduce sales.
    This resulted in huge supplies of secret fake cigs. Under counter sales have grown dramatically.
    ‘Retailers’ don’t have records just non taxable cash that does not attract GST or excise.
    Pure emotional illogical thinking that is typical of the ALP.
    Note how often ctgs are involved in robberies. Shop liftting caught on CCTV to major smash and grab for cigs.
    Add to this and our statistics on cig sales are meaningless.
    Container loads of fake brand cigs have been intercepted so how many container loads get through.
    It was another stupid idea from a hopeless government.

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      Ross

      Australia once had a flourishing tobacco farming sector. There were 2 major areas where that crop was grown- near Myrtleford in Victoria and also north Queensland. The lower quality tobacco produced was blended with better quality overseas product and made into cigarettes etc locally. It was a healthy ( no pun intended) profitable industry that supported lots of farmers and itinerant workers. It was all closed down in the 1990’s due to bans on tobacco smoking. But, of course, demand for cigarettes was still evident in Australia and in fact markets have probably just followed general population increases. The market is totally supplied with overseas product now. Have any crops replaced all that previous tobacco acreage? Not really. There have been attempts to grow other crops, but nothing has really succeeded to equal the income from tobacco. It was all a crazy exercise in futility and now we have the “chop chop” underground industry supplying illegal tobacco. Those old tobacco farmers are occasionally approached by “people” wanting to purchase all their old processing machinery. A lot which is lying around in sheds etc.

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        yarpos

        Its probably not realistic to expect the same returns from other crops. Tobacco operated in somewhat of a bubble that would not be easily emulated of at all. Its more of a back to the pack path re returns. I believe assistance /compensation was provided at the time (by companies not govt)

        Australia had a hostile government and no economies of scale so it was a moral to get wound down as soon as factories appeared in Asia where investment was welcome. Being in the minority Virginia sector didnt help either.

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    Zane

    Beach Energy recently drilled 7 new gas wells in the Otway Basin offshore from Port Campbell in southwestern Victoria. All 7 are or will be producing. What a result. It seems there’s plenty of fossil fuels ready to be tapped out there… if energy companies are allowed to search and drill.

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    Zane

    The Weekend Oz magazine had a feelgood story about the resurgence of regional Australia, mentioning pubs refurbished by locals, low unemployment, booming exports, and so on. Also mentioned were the new wind and solar farms sprouting across the regions, bringing millions in revenues to farmers and landowners under leases lasting for decades.

    Not to mention jobs for local tradies and contractors.

    This renewables madness is not easing any time soon. Everyone is clamouring to get on the gravy train.

    Since most electricity use is in the urban sprawls of Sydney, Melbourne, and the like, it would seem that the cities are subsidizing the bush via taxes and higher prices.

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      yarpos

      Cities also “subsidize the bush” to stuff like food also. Nothing changed really 90% plus of city power has always come from outside the city.

      Wind and solar farms are one off pieces of work and have little to do with ongoing work in the regions. In our area growth has spurred by many city people having a light bulb moment that they can work from home regionally , or for those that do real things the regions offer plenty of work. I had a coffee with the electrician that did our house a decade or so ago, he is the main guy in town and employs half a dozen people. He said he could have half a dozen more and they could all still be going 10 hours a day. He said his main issue if not burning people out and retaining them. He is better at saying no, or you will have to wai,t these days.

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    Neville

    Dr Roy Spencer has been updating his simple climate model for years and so far it is very accurate compared to the IPCC projections.
    Here’s his latest update and of course co2 sensitivity is low and lower Anthropogenic forcing so there’s little to panic about.
    And there’s also no HOT SPOT above the equator to worry about. Here’s a quote and the link.

    https://www.drroyspencer.com/2022/07/updated-atmospheric-co2-concentration-forecast-through-2050-and-beyond/

    “The resulting model projection produces atmospheric CO2 concentrations late this century well below the IPCC RCP8.5 scenario, and even below the RCP6.0 scenario. This suggests that the most dire climate change impacts the public hears about will not happen. Note that this likely reduction in future global warming impacts is in addition to the evidence that the climate system is not as sensitive to increasing CO2 as is claimed by the IPCC. In other words, future climate change will likely be much weaker than projected due not only to (1) lower climate sensitivity, but also (2) weaker anthropogenic forcing, and it is the combination of the two that determines the outcome”.

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    Ross

    Talking about ads, Net Zero and energy, Coles supermarkets are again running with their Net Zero TV ads. They are mostly run during sporting broadcasts like AFL games. If you watch them closely you will notice that the wind turbines featured in the ad have blades that are completely motionless. In an earlier version of those ads during the recent Olympics, there was also vision of solar panels in the dark. So, are the advertising agency living up to their truth telling standards or is some ad executive taking the proverbial? Basically what they are saying is that renewables (hate that word) are useless.

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    Neville

    Willis Eschenbach’s check on their so called Climate Emergency is still very solid and accurate.
    And still everything is better today despite the loony nonsense from the usual delusional suspects.
    Check the REAL WORLD data for all of their stupid claims at the link.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/04/25/wheres-the-emergency/

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    Neville

    Do these religious extremists really want to put bans on our modern agriculture and higher crop yields?

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/07/24/banning-modern-agriculture-and-high-crop-yields/

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    bobby b

    Once conservatives get back in power anywhere, first thing we ban is any advertising on behalf of progressive causes and politicians.

    Goose, gander . . .

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    Yonason

    Faux Greenies…

    The worst of them all.

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    Zane

    Meanwhile China is on track to have its space station ” Heavenly Palace ” operational in orbit by the end of the year.

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    Steve of Cornubia

    Governments: your aircon uses too much electricity and the grid can’t cope, so you should use it less.
    Governments: your heating uses too much electricity and the grid can’t cope, so you should use it less.
    Governments: turn off those lights.
    Governments: buy smaller TVs.
    Governments: aaaagh- the grid is overwhelmed, time for a blackout!

    Also governments: trade in that petrol car and buy an EV. You can charge it from the grid.

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    Not pleasant to be reminded that Australia has so many marketing, public relations, advertising and media professionals. Can’t some of them get more useful jobs?

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    David Maddison

    A Green activist has apparently moved from WA to Vicdanistan and I was told it/she was interviewed on Neil Mitchell. They have brought their “vegan dog” with them.

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    TdeF

    I have read that China is responsible for 57% of all CO2 output, close enough to 2/3rds of the entire planet and rising rapidly?

    Where are the protests? I have never seen one. Or read adverse commentary.

    Why are tiny countries like Ireland and the Nederlands being told to shut down agriculture, manufacturing, living while China gets a free pass? And the same is true of the Wuhan Flu?

    I hear nothing bad about China. You are not even allowed ask a question even though everyone in the world knows what happened with the Virus laboratory in Wuhan?

    How do people live with themselves attacking their own countries when everyone knows the real story? It’s the biggest attack on Western Democracy since WWII. And the Bidens are only worried about their old stomping ground, Ukraine.

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      David Maddison

      The claim is that China is a “developing country” but clearly that is not true either as anyone who has been there will have noticed.

      And any country that has a space program, a moon landing program, has extremely sophisticated espionage operations, has nuclear missiles and nuclear reactors and can feed itself, is hardly a developing country.

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        Dennis

        The UN didn’t say what China is developing David.

        [wink]

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        yarpos

        apparently they will pass the current UN/IMF measures for developing nation status in the next couple of years , which of course means the UN/IMF measures for developing nation status will need to be adjusted in a couple of years time.

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      Dennis

      Australia’s emissions are apparently far more damaging to Pacific nations.

      /sarc.

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    Philip

    These marketers wont win a science debate.

    Contrary to that, science is actually how they win a debate. They just claim it and people don’t want to stand against that because it would show you as a bit stupid. So the debate vote goes to them.

    Talk to any schooled child on climate change, you’ll find that is the pattern of their programming. You don’t want to challenge the scientist in this day and age.

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    Philip

    Speaking of outrageous claims, Ive been watching old environmental videos on youtube recently. Its great to see what they were saying back then, some good laughs. In one filmed in the 80s perhaps, they’re claiming the droughts in Africa over the last 20 years, so through the 60s and 70s, are a result of climate change (man made of course).

    To scientifically prove this, at that time, it is not science it is an hypothesis. There is a lot more that has to come after that. On what data and analysis of data could they make this claim as science in the 90s? You cant, they simply make the claim, they claim the hypothesis is correct, and they’ve been doing it for a long time.

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    John Connor II

    No fuel = no showers.

    In an article titled ‘‘It’s enough to wash THESE four body parts – Why the skin cleans itself if you let it’, Germany’s Bild newspaper cites advice by economy minister Robert Habeck, who has called on citizens to cut back on their heating, sauna visits, and showers to help the country reduce its dependence on Russian energy.

    The piece claims that avoiding showers gives good bacteria a chance to propagate, helping with skin conditions and also consuming the substances responsible for body odor.

    “This way, it [skin] cleans itself,” states the article, arguing dubiously that avoiding washing your body will actually make you smell better.

    The article quotes dermatologist Yael Adler, who claims that avoiding showers for three weeks makes, “the odors disappear and the skin begins a kind of a self-cleaning process.”

    According to Adler, Germans can save energy and keep themselves clean enough by washing just four areas of the body, bottom, armpits, feet, and groin.

    In some countries, this is colloquially known as a “whore’s wash.”

    The article was published after Klaus Mueller, the head of Germany’s Federal Network Agency, asked his fellow countrymen, “whether you really need to take a hot shower seven days a week – with gas heating.”

    As we previously highlighted, government minister Peter Hauk also told Germans they should cope with soaring energy costs by merely turning off the heating and wearing warmer sweaters.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/germans-told-take-fewer-showers-energy-costs-bite

    So…grab a wash cloth and some cold water and only do those 4 spots on your body.
    I guess the German tourism sector is in for a big hit when the whole population smells like climate alarmists.😄😄

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    Philip

    I guess you cant blame them trying to ban ads. The anti mining tax ad was pretty effective. Remember that ? Seems like a generation ago.

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    CynicofA

    OK, who are they?
    Most commentators here seem to think the 300 people read this blog. They don’t.
    You’re mostly whinging among yourselves.
    It’s no use – other than feelz good – to be snarky about them.
    Who are they, and email them with your complaint.

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      LOL. That’s like emailing the Government ‘Pollies’ or Government Departments. ‘They’ do not read them or acknowledge them. Maybe sending millions of emails all at once to gum up the system might work. Other than that, it will have to come down to direct action and civil disobedience.

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        Conservatives are excellent at talking themselves out of doing something useful. The other side are groupthinkers, they care a lot if the group is against them. If every conservative made a phonecall or sent an email every week, the nation would change. But the left, who know how powerful little protests are, cant think to save their lives, and win the culture wars with nothing but bluff, while the right, which can think, loses the psychological battle without even lifting a finger.

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      John Watt

      Even better than that, try to hand them a hard copy of a physics-based analysis showing that CO2 may not be the culprit. As I did over a decade ago with Graham Perrett, our local Federal member. Under the influence of Rudd, Perrett would not accept my face-to face offering. Certainly now he has staff who still refuse to accept same document in email form. Pity he doesn’t have staff qualified to make an informed assessment of Dr John Nicol’s explanation of the real behaviour of atmospheric CO2.

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        Cynic or maybe MP’s, Senators, columnists, cartoonists in The Australian read this site, and repeat the ideas. It’s been known to happen. We see the zeitgeist shift. I have the emails.

        I’m not writing for believers.

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      el+gordo

      On the question of advertising, does it matter.

      ‘As American tourists flood Cuba, Cubans are opening casas particulares (bed-and-breakfasts) and paladares (in-home restaurants) in droves. But they don’t advertise, not even with storefront signage.’ (WNYC)

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        So? On that basis, is it OK if we Ban ads from all right wing conservative businesses and allow it from everyone on the left?

        You need to grow past the old idea that advertising is “to get customers”. Move with the times. See Big Pharma. Advertising is to buy the media.

        Also “Free Speech” means Free speech. Not selective enforcement.

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          el+gordo

          ‘… is it OK if we Ban ads from all right wing conservative businesses and allow it from everyone on the left?’

          Government would have to legislate to that effect, so its unlikely to pass the Senate.

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      Honk R Smith

      Cool, I’m one of the 300?
      Blocking the pass to save Western civilization.
      The BS is so thick it blocks the sun.

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      CynicofA

      Well, with the exception of a couple, all you did was prove I was right.
      No one wanted to fight.
      No one wanted to take it to another level, other than here.
      All you did was talk among yourselves, agreeing with each other.
      One concluded that it was all a waste of time emailing or writing, so best to do nothing.
      Jo Nova was sorta in agreement:
      Conservatives are excellent at talking themselves out of doing something useful. The other side are groupthinkers, they care a lot if the group is against them. If every conservative made a phonecall or sent an email every week, the nation would change.
      But the left, who know how powerful little protests are, cant think to save their lives, and win the culture wars with nothing but bluff, while the right, which can think, loses the psychological battle without even lifting a finger.
      You know, this sort of conversation in this thread, sounds exactly like the left’s conversations. Insult the left, but don’t try and engage them.
      All the research, investigations, facts and information done by some very smart and energetic people on this blog site, stay on this blog site.
      How do we know? Because we’re losing.
      Bye all.

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    SimonB

    Can anyone tell me if there’s a conservative dissenting voice left in this country to oppose this crap?
    The next useful idiot off the rank is Victoria’s Matthew Guy, aided and abetted by the limp National, Peter Walsh, both taking their parties to oblivion like WA and SA by touting their nett zero credentials DESPITE watching Europe implode!
    We have a real issue in this country when, not only do critical thinkers give propaganda a 5 year head start, but the leadership of the ‘opposition’ can see democracy and capitalism being destroyed by Klaus Schwabs Fourth Reich and their answer; me too!
    Guy and Walsh limp response to Andrews taking responsibility for corruption, forged signatures, appointment of unqualified bureaucrats, abuse of government grants program tells us everything to expect from them in November. They will be more green and woke than Comrade Andrews and he’ll be reelected despite rorting the state to the tune of 42 times debt to GDP with lunatic green programs and systemic rorting.
    Time for critical thinkers to leave Victoria, there’s no intelligent life left, just sycophants and those looking for a large slice of the green mega bucks!

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      KP

      “not only do critical thinkers give propaganda a 5 year head start, but the leadership of the ‘opposition’ can see democracy and capitalism being destroyed by Klaus Schwabs Fourth Reich and their answer; me too!’

      The whole world is like that, it is the side-effect of democracy! The Left have won by pushing global warming and ‘togetherness’, so all the so-called ‘Right’ can do is offer even more of the same. Not one ‘right-wing’ party nowadays would be to the right of a Labor Govt from the 1960s!

      If you want a right-wing party now, one that talks about free speech, freedom and the right to make money.. values that Conservatives used to have, you will need to vote for Libertarians or Anarchists!

      Current conservatives & Right-wing parties.. just pussy-Lefts!

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        SimonB

        I know the world is in this Marxist spiral, but fightbacks happen in small demographic jurisdictions, the same way they begin. The propaganda is the beginning, followed by hijacking education and making the brainwashing systemic. I’m sure I’m not telling you anything you don’t know, if you read this site you have excellent links to all the examples.
        The problem is there is no leader in Australia with the necessary attributes and critical thinking who hasn’t been character assassinated by the cancel culture media, to lead a campaign right now. Especially as Matt Canavan didn’t want to step down to the Lower house. This can’t wait until an announced Victorian or NSW state election. This is bigger than that.
        The fact the Ombudsman and IBAC Commission announced a litany of Victorian State Government corruption to go with the corruption from the SAME government between 2014-2018, yet DECIDED there are no charges to be laid, makes Andrews meglamania legitimate. To the point of him saying HE’LL reform the whole Parliament to ensure the corruption HE took FULL responsibility for, won’t be allowed to happen again!
        That’s corruption on a grand scale.
        THAT corruption is what they know about, not even mentioning the rorting of green programs they set up themselves to fill their mates pockets and accompanying bureaucratic fiefdoms to pour more bodies into unions to produce bigger campaign funds.
        Where’s the mainstream trashmedia on this? We know where the ‘opposition’ is, checking focus groups as to how many of their seats the Teals will take if they don’t spend months saying they’re the actual woke greenies!
        Australia has no DeSantis, Abbott, Noem. Australia’s electable conservative politicians from Dutton down have buckled to focus groups of loaded questions and abandoned their core values. There’s no bigger insult to a voter.
        Sadly there’s no Menzies figure prepared to admit their existing party is broken and start a new one with integrity.
        Are you listening, Canavan, Antic, Taylor, Price, Mundine?
        Victoria’s only option? All the offshoots get in a room and form a party now. Agree to disagree on the finer points, but provide a viable, credible alternative to the systemic corruption, aided and abetted by supposed impartial bureaucratic oversight boards.

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          Some truth. But one guy can’t beat the system. We voters have to stand up for the decent people who run.

          If there was a Menzies figure he’d be crushed unless he was a billionaire celebrity…

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    UK-Weather Lass

    “We founded in recognition that, famously, marketing and PR has been used for decades to help polluting companies,” Comms Declare chief executive Belinda Noble said. “We want that to stop.”

    Oh the irony from a consortium made up of 300 marketing, public relations, advertising and media professionals who have been trying to pollute our minds forever it would seem.

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    Ronin

    Even if the ads were banned, is anyone going to stop buying fuel for their vehicle, I don’t need ads to tell me to get fuel, the gauge on my dash does that for me.

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      ozfred

      But you might buy the “wrong brand” !

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        Old Cocky

        With a uniform product (well, a few products) and inelastic demand, all advertising is going to do is give brand recognition and possibly increase or at least prop up market share.

        Fuels are effectively a commodity, so the non-price competition is going to be in other areas of the roadhouse or service centre (parking space, food, cleanliness, toilets, products in the shop, etc)

        What is the effective difference between Coles, Woolies and the local IGA? They have similar products and prices, so the advertising tries to position the company into a rather broad niche (eco-friendly, healthy, supporting local business) which will appeal to a large proportion of the potential market.

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    Belinda Noble said. “We want that to stop.”

    Belinda Noble – I want you to stop.
    Why should your wants trump my wants?

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