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    dinn, bob

    governments, big media,transnational corporations all in agreement to get total control govs%20media%20corps%20go%20for%20total%20control.html

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      Don B

      Here is a troubling summary of the smallpox vaccination disaster more than 100 years ago when experts doubled down on a failing vaccine, eerily similar to what is happening now.

      The article referring to the summary:
      https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/what-we-can-learn-from-the-smallpox

      The 10 page summary:
      https://pastebin.com/0fuPrA1q

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        sophocles

        … brilliant find, Don B !

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        Fran

        I saw one of the last smallpox outbreaks in India. I was 16. The vaccination program run by the District Commissioners had been lax for about 10 years. The result was that most young children in the villages were not vaccinated. Smallpox is spread by aerosoles so it moves through villages on the breezes. The panicked response was to put a bomb under the vaccinator.

        In a family I knew, Grandma advised that the 11 y/o girl should be kept back so that she could look after her two younger brothers if they were sick after the vaccination. I went with my mum (doctor, health educator) to the tiny back room of a mud hut. The child was mostly unconscious with her whole body one solid mass of weeping scabs. She died shortly after. Another case was a local labourer who my dad had set up in business making concrete rings for dug wells. It is not clear why one of his sons missed the vaccinator (probably sick when the vaccinator came) – a very beautiful 4 y/o. He recovered with his face very heavily scarred.

        I also knew a boy my own age who died of measles and saw a child with polio. The latter was from a rich family that kept the little girl from playing in the dust and acquiring early immunity as most other kids did. When we first got to India in 1952 (I was 4) mum encouraged us to go play in the dirt.

        Kirsch is right that there were problems with the early smallpox vaccine, just as with some of the polio vaccines. There are also problems with vaccine mandates. Sometimes it may be better to let people see the effects. Certainly in India even the completely illiterate villagers all knew the smallpox vaccine was an effective treatment for what was then a real threat. In theory it was “compulsory”, but that was irrelevant.

        On the whole, I think that Kirsch’s moving from the authoritarian and loony response to the present “pandemic” into Bobby Kennedy’s genuine antivax stance dilutes the message. Lets focus on the real problem which I think is the politics of Globalization.

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          Fran

          I looked into the evidence for dropping the smallpox vaccine in the 70’s. I seem to remember there were 9 child deaths reported. Of these 8 had known contraindications such as severe exima. It was clear that doctor ignorance was a major factor. The last one had undiagnosed agammaglobinem, a genetic condition. Clearly the same standards are not being followed with the present “vaccine”.

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    A friend passed me an article from the Australian on the Canberra protest. “only 10000” attending. Out by a factor of around 100….

    One has to wonder at the deliberate falsehood being continually passed on from this and other media. Roll on Nuremburg 2.0 when these lying frauds will have to explain themselves…

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      David

      Going by the videos it’s very doubtful there were 1 million people there. I’d say more than 10000 but less than 20000.

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        Dennis

        One Facebook post included an arial picture, and it was definitely not of Canberra.

        The post claimed a huge crowd number, more than the population of the Australian Capital Territory.

        Another example of why people should not trust what they see.

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        Graeme+P.

        I was there, it was much larger than 20,000.

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        wokebuster

        Lived in Canberra since 1968 and this was definately the biggest protest I’ve seen. The angry farmer protests of the 1980s were big but no where near what we saw on Saturday.

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        It is physically impossible to move 100000 people to that site. 20 thousand on the hill max.

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          Kalm Keith

          Yes, the main park has an area of about 23,000 square metres so the max there would have been 25,000.

          Then on the ramp up to parliament on the extension of Northbourne another 10,000. Then there’s those stragglers under the trees.

          Min 30,000 , max 45,000.

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            Estimates are also based on past experience. The women’s march last year filled that space with others outside the area and the estimate was 15,000. Plus they were permitted closes to PH.

            btw I forgot to recommend the duck pancake

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              Kalm Keith

              Saturday night after the walk we went to the Bistro Ng in the first block of northbourne.
              It was packed.
              Best pancake, Banh Xeo, with chicken, prawns, beef and dipping sauce.

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              robert rosicka

              Show grounds are saying 60,000 there but I guess they were mainly going to the flower show .

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              Peter C

              I agree that crowds are difficult to estimate!

              My crowd estimate was based on people moving up the ramp. I thought about 10 people every 3 seconds coming off the top but people were tightly packed so it could have been 10 people every 2 seconds.. That went on for 90 minutes or so. I was not at the front so I could be out by 15-30 minutes.
              10 people/3s=200peole/min x 90mins= 18.000.
              However another 50% of people avoided the ramp and climbed the grass slope; 18,000 +9000= 27,000.

              By another measure the central grass mall going down to old Parliament House was tightly packed (20,000) plus another 50% occupying the grass verges on each side and spreading out under the trees. So 30,000 by that measure.

              Error bars are also guesses. I would say 25,000 to 40,000 with best guess at the upper end.

              Thanks for the Restaurant recommendation Gee Aye. Duck pancake could have been good, however I think that there was no duck, nor chicken, prawns or beef either. Everything was soy based, so I preferred to eat real vegetables.

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                Kalm Keith

                Hi Peter,

                I think that your first estimate of 40,000 was very close to the mark.

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                Ted1

                Surely there is some drone footage. That would make for a reasonably accurate estimate.

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                yarpos

                Thats a more rational estimate than “i reckon”

                32 × 32 grid of people give you a little over a thousand. There were far more than 10 of those moving along Northbourne and up to the palace lawn

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      Ronin

      ” I wuz only following orders.”

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    RickWill

    Australia’s covid hospitalisations peaked at 5,390 three weeks ago. The number is now down to 3.010.

    Australia has had one of the best public health responses to covid of all nations:
    https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=countries-normalized&highlight=Australia&show=highlight-only&y=both&scale=linear&data=deaths&data-source=jhu&xaxis=right&extra=United%20States%2CUnited%20Kingdom%2CIndia%2CJapan%2CSweden%2CTaiwan#countries-normalized

    Taiwan has not yet experienced the omicron wave and may yet avoid it. At this point in time, Taiwan and New Zealand are the standouts globally.

    Australia is one of the few countries where excess deaths have been negative over the past two years.

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      farmerbraun

      The wave of Omicron is now sweeping NZ, as expected (so much for zero covid) record numbers with each consecutive day . . . . and it is anything but a disaster.
      The only disaster has been the government’s reponse.

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        RickWill

        New Zealand has probably delayed the inevitable. It is still hardly a wave though with fewer than 1000 cases per day but is accelerating fast. Will be nervous about the number of deaths.

        Western Australia continues to delay covid. It mau not be inevitable there. Omicron would pass as a mild flu if it was not labelled covid; at least for those vaccinated.

        Case fatality rate remains negatively correlated with vaccination rate so NZs high level of vaccination should work to keep deaths low:
        Fatality Rate:
        https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=countries-normalized&highlight=Australia&show=highlight-only&y=both&scale=linear&data=mortalityRate-daily-7&data-source=owid&xaxis=right-4wk-wks&extra=United%20States%2CUnited%20Kingdom%2CIndia%2CJapan%2CSweden%2CTaiwan#countries-normalized

        Vaccination Rate:
        https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=countries-normalized&highlight=Australia&show=highlight-only&y=both&scale=linear&data=vaccinePeople&data-source=owid&xaxis=right-4wk-wks&extra=United%20States%2CUnited%20Kingdom%2CIndia%2CJapan%2CSweden%2CTaiwan#countries-normalized

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          Scissor

          There are too many variables to easily and definitively sort out this mess. It is however likely that countries in and around Asia, and those with high rates of travel of citizens between Asian countries, benefited from natural immunity derived from previous exposure to similar corona viruses.

          That said, where it is summer, people’s immune systems are functioning at peak levels and they spend less time indoors where exposure to viruses is higher. This favors the current conditions in NZ and Australia. Nevertheless, cases and deaths have spiked to their highest levels there, post vaccination. In Australia, post vaccination deaths already account for greater than 80% of all deaths.

          Undoubtedly, curtailing travel helped delay exposure to the earliest SARS-CoV2 variants. That may turn out to be fortuitous. The current variants are less virulent, which “masks” failure of the vaccines even more so. Data from Israel and other highly vaccinated countries do not support the message that these vaccines are safe and effective.

          The correlation of lower fatality rates with vaccination rates of late, probably has more to do with the fact that omicron. and delta variant before that, are less virulent.

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          sophocles

          Case fatality rate is negatively correlated with vit-D levels.

          Take care of yourself, whether you’ve been vaxed (which is useless anyway) or not.

          Let the pollies panic — they think, poor fools, that that is what they have to do.
          They’re easy to ignore. Like this season’s mosquitos, they’re just (background) noise.

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          yarpos

          mmmm outstanding levels of economic and mental health destruction and political meglomania. Yep , outstanding.

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          Peter C

          Thanks Rick,

          I was intrigued by the case fatality rate of India as shown prominently on the graph (worse than the USA) at 1.6%. Still fairly low however it does not seem to Worldometer figures..

          The comment said:”Same Data — Normalized by Population
          The visualizations below use the exact same COVID-19 data from Johns Hopkins except that the data is now normalized by dividing by the country or state population.
          The data is presented as confirmed cases per 100,000 people, based on the country or US state/territory population found on Wikipedia.”

          Not sure what that means in this context. I don’t have a problem with Wikipaedia estimates of the population but it is not part of the calculation.

          Case fatality rate = No deaths/No cases. Population does not actually come into it.

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          Kalm Keith

          Rick,

          You quote the “statistics” for COVID19 in such a confident fashion.

          It seems obvious that either you have no understanding of statistics or there is another agenda at work.

          Even when you harvest your own data there can be errors but when data is received from so many different sources there’s a serious issue at play which means that data from one source cannot be combined or compared with other sets.

          What you’ve written may have been done with the best of intentions but is statistically flawed.

          KK

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      PeterPetrum

      The normal death rate of the over 70’s in NSW are just over 125,000pa. The deaths from, or with, Covid in this age range are well within the norm. Yes, some may have died a few weeks or months before their time if the had been affected by Covid, but, really, we have not had a spike in deaths due to the pandemic. So why are these statistics not widely promulgated.

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        Klem

        Partly because journalism is a lost art?

        Where I live our top health official often stated that 70% of current Covid hospitalizations are vaccinated people. After awhile he switched to saying 30% of current Covid hospitalizations are unvaccinated people, which is the same thing.

        Not a single reporter asked why he switched that statement. Not one.

        Where have all the journalists gone?

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          Broadie

          After awhile he switched to saying 30% of current Covid hospitalizations are unvaccinated people, which is the same thing.

          Oh no it isn’t. In the New South Wales data the vaccinated hospitalized was creeping up. The data base then switched to ‘No Effective Dose’ which included the horrific injuries occurring withing 21 days of a ‘Clot Shot’. This way the adverse events are bundled with those not ‘Shot’ and your are able to report an increase based on the reported data.

          The Queensland Chief health Officer, (I hope for his sake he isn’t negative gearing his massive salary) has taken to saying something like, ‘unfortunately all but 6 of those who died had not received a booster’ rather than saying ‘of the 24 deaths only one was unvaccinated’. And! Remember he is only talking about deaths ‘with Covid’!

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        check you figures. 125k might be for Australia, not NSW alone

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        yarpos

        The vax true beleivers would say thats because the vax “worked” meanwhile NSW health puts out data that shows you chances of hospitalization or death are at worst the same vax or unvaxed.

        Its the same logic that Biden will use to claim his diplomacy “saved” the Ukraine from the threat that he invented from nothing.

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      farmerbraun

      Perhaps a word of explanation is in order .

      This is of course (as Jacinda Ardern will tell you) a video of a white -supremacist, Trump-loving , nazi protesting rabble spitting on , and verbally abusing nurses who wear masks, in front of the NZ Parliament.
      So now you are (dis)informed.

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    PeterS

    The parallels are amazing. Only time will tell if the good ending will be repeated.

    Today’s pandemic response is eerily similar to the smallpox pandemic response

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      el+gordo

      Good catch, why weren’t we told sooner. Our politicians listened to the medical experts instead of reading history.

      ‘That year, following the protest, the government was replaced, mandates were terminated, and by 1887 vaccination coverage rates had dropped to 10%. To replace the vaccination model, the Leicester activists proposed a system of immediately quarantining smallpox patients, disinfection of their homes and quarantining of their contacts alongside improving public sanitation.’

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      Fran

      Repeat of what I posted at 1.1.2 above

      I saw one of the last smallpox outbreaks in India. I was 16. The vaccination program run by the District Commissioners had been lax for about 10 years. The result was that most young children in the villages were not vaccinated. Smallpox is spread by aerosoles so it moves through villages on the breezes. The panicked response was to put a bomb under the vaccinator.

      In a family I knew, Grandma advised that the 11 y/o girl should be kept back so that she could look after her two younger brothers if they were sick after the vaccination. I went with my mum (doctor, health educator) to the tiny back room of a mud hut. The child was mostly unconscious with her whole body one solid mass of weeping scabs. She died shortly after. Another case was a local labourer who my dad had set up in business making concrete rings for dug wells. It is not clear why one of his sons missed the vaccinator (probably sick when the vaccinator came) – a very beautiful 4 y/o. He recovered with his face very heavily scarred.

      I also knew a boy my own age who died of measles and saw a child with polio. The latter was from a rich family that kept the little girl from playing in the dust and acquiring early immunity as most other kids did. When we first got to India in 1952 (I was 4) mum encouraged us to go play in the dirt.

      Kirsch is right that there were problems with the early smallpox vaccine, just as with some of the polio vaccines. There are also problems with vaccine mandates. Sometimes it may be better to let people see the effects. Certainly in India even the completely illiterate villagers all knew the smallpox vaccine was an effective treatment for what was then a real threat. In theory it was “compulsory”, but that was irrelevant.

      On the whole, I think that Kirsch’s moving from the authoritarian and loony response to the present “pandemic” into Bobby Kennedy’s genuine antivax stance dilutes the message. Lets focus on the real problem which I think is the politics of Globalization.

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        Peter C

        Thanks Fran for a real world recollection of smallpox (?in South Africa)

        To clarify: “In a family I knew, Grandma advised that the 11 y/o girl should be kept back so that she could look after her two younger brothers if they were sick after the vaccination. I went with my mum (doctor, health educator) to the tiny back room of a mud hut. The child was mostly unconscious with her whole body one solid mass of weeping scabs. She died shortly after.”

        Was it the 11 year old who died of smallpox?

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    PeterS

    My post above and many other things that are happening right now point to only one option to end the mandate madness, emissions reduction nonsense, any many other agendas currently in progress to subjugate us. Major parties need to be wiped out and new ones formed. It’s not a permanent solution but it’s certainly the only short/medium term one. Our current crop of politicians on both sides are no longer fit to govern, never ever. They must go. Otherwise,e nothing will change. They have shown their true colours and the phrase “a leopard never changes its spots” now fits perfectly.

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      el+gordo

      Dunno about all that, politically its too close to call.

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      PeterPetrum

      Peter, I believe you are correct, but at the moment there is no nascent political group that could take the place of our main, useless, parties. The independents that are being subsidised to stand for election are all Labor/Green and those independents that we already have could not govern. We have never been more badly served by the political class and the, so called, public servants, that control them.

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        sophocles

        We have never been more badly served by the political class and the, so called, public servants, that control them.

        Then get involved. Now. Pathetic politicians are our fault — for not getting involved.

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          PeterS

          I have been doing my bit by writing lots of emails to both major parties and the Greens over the years. I started back a long way when the climate change issue raised its ugly head. My comments and suggestions keep falling on death ears. There is little or no hope in making them change as they have shown to be getting worse and worse, not better. We need the minor parties who are on our side to take control. It won’t solve all our problems but it certainly will help to stall the insanity exposed by our major parties, both in therms of the COVID-19 mandates and climate change.

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      Hanrahan

      The Senate ticket gives you some options, the chance for a protest vote, but what has that given us? Swill, as Keating described them. Show ponies with the balance of power. Think Lambsie.

      In the vast majority of house seats it is lab/lib. It matters nought [except for future commonwealth funding] how far down you rank the two parties but you must rank libs above labor/greens. This site seems to give overwhelming support for the truckers. You can’t support the truckers and vote for labor, no matter how far down the ticket you vote them if your coalition candidate is lower.

      Preferential voting is a good thing if you understand it.

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        PeterS

        Most people don’t even bother to think outside the box (actually multiple boxes; Libs, NP, ALP, Greens) even if they do understand preferential voting. The voters only have themselves to blame for the outcome of the elections from now on given the major parties have exposed their true ugly colours fro all with eyes to see.

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          el+gordo

          It seems you are correct.

          ‘A real-world pox on all houses: why political incumbency is now toxic.

          ‘The general level of irritation in the community, in some cases palpable anger, isn’t just confined to the Morrison government. It is being directed at any incumbent government, at any level. The premiers also are finally now in the firing line.’ (Simon Benson / Oz)

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        James Murphy

        In my opinion, the option to “vote above the line” absolutely favours major parties, and subverts the value of a preferential system. There is no incentive for major parties to educate people about how to use the system properly, regardless of whether or not people are interested.

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        yarpos

        If swill makes the place u governable for a while then maybe thats a step that has to be taken. Its unlikely any nirvana-esque John Monash types will emerge from the establishment swill either.

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    el+gordo

    ‘Chinese mainland adds 28 local Covid cases.” (China Daily)

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    bobby b

    Just so we understand Canada:

    “A new Maru Public Opinion poll found that 56 per cent of Canadians don’t have an iota of sympathy for Freedom Convoy — and two thirds wouldn’t mind seeing their blockades cleared by military force.”

    https://edmontonjournal.com/news/politics/this-could-cost-him-his-job-a-blockaded-canada-turning-on-trudeau-poll-finds/wcm/d47e1e09-cbeb-402c-b1d3-e62ed7fc9ef4

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      another ian

      First question would be – is that sucking off the Trudeau “Bought and sold press teat” by any chance?

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      KP

      Of course Trudeau believes the polls, like any parasite, so its the polling companies that really run the country!

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      beowulf

      A new Ipsos poll for Global News CA:

      “Nearly half (46%) of Canadians say they ‘may not agree with everything the people who have taken part in the truck protests in Ottawa have said, but their frustration is legitimate and worthy of our sympathy’,” Ipsos reports. It notes, remarkably, that the “proportion of 18-34-year-olds who adopt this point of view is 61%, while those aged 35-54 (44%) and 55+ (37%) are much less likely to agree.”

      “Regionally, those in Alberta (58%) and Saskatchewan and Manitoba (58%) are most likely to align with this argument, while a sizeable minority in Quebec (47%), Ontario (44%), Atlantic Canada (43%), and British Columbia (36%) agree,” Ipsos remarks about the Freedom Convoy’s arguments. “Politically, most Conservative voters (59%) are on this side of the argument, while a minority of Bloc (44%), NDP (43%) and Liberal (30%) voters are also aligned.”

      https://beckernews.com/new-poll-of-canadians-shows-why-governments-are-falling-like-dominoes-to-freedom-convoys-demands-44094/

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    Grogery

    It’s gonna be interesting over the next few months in terms of covid data, as previously “fully vaccinated” citizens move into the “unvaccinated” category.

    I imagine the “data manipulators” may lump double-vaxxed and single-vaxxed people in with no-vaxxed people in order to show large numbers of cases, hospitalisations, ICU admissions and deaths attributed to the “unvaccinated” – where “unvaccinated” means anybody that isn’t “double-vaxxed” + “booster”.

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      John Hultquist

      over the next few months . . .

      . . . more and more folks are paying no attention to the Covid Panic, and officials should catch up and declare the virus as common/endemic, such as with the flu we have dealt with for years.
      In the USA millions of $$$ are being wasted on test kits and masks. This money can be used to improve in-door spaces, such as filtration, especially nursing and elder-care facilities.
      Having been in such places prior to The Panic I am aware of the often old and poor conditions found in these facilities.

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      TedM

      “It’s gonna be interesting over the next few months in terms of covid data, as previously “fully vaccinated” citizens move into the “unvaccinated” category.”

      Yes Grogery, particularly as the double vaxxed move into negative vaccine efficacy range, after about seven months. And then as the double vaxxed+booster move into negative vaccine efficacy range after about 4 to 5 months.

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      OldOzzie

      Already saw that a couple of nights ago on Seven News re 24 Deaths illustrated with 24 Figures – only highlighted Boosted figures, which were a third of the numbers – no mention of unvaccinated or if the rest were double vaccinated

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    John in NZ

    The term they use is “insufficiently vaccinated “.

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    TdeF

    Away from totaliarian governments and Hollywood cancelling people (who listens to Hollywood? Bette Middler, Cher, Mia Farrow, Barbara Streisand), the US military now has a WOKE policy to combat the single biggest threat to the world and the US in particular, Climate Change.

    And they have defined it at last and ‘jumped the shark’, like the Fonze at the beach in Happy Days when they ran out of plots.

    “variations in average weather conditions that persist over multiple decades or longer that encompass increases and decreases in temperature, shifts in precipitation, and changing risk of certain types of severe weather events.”

    So we no longer have man made Global Warming, we have made made Global heating AND Global cooling and ‘certain types of severe weather events’ which I presume includes all floods, bushfires and tsunamis. And in this new world, every day will be peaceful, a mild zephr and average temperatures and rainfall and snow only when strictly necessary or Christmas.

    More importantly, we humans and the all powerful US military are now responsible for the climate in every part of the world. Wow! And to help us get back to the climate of 1870, the bottom of the Little Ice Age, all we have to do is stop using combustible materials like explosives and weapons. So presumably it’s atom bombs for everyone so that we do not disturb the climate.

    I wonder if they are also going to end racism by military intervention in India, China, Japan, Africa, Russia and the entire middle east as well as America? And make the world a safer, more friendly place for transexuals and their alphabet friends?

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      TdeF

      You see, atom bombs, even hydrogen bombs are Green, non polluting Nett Zero devices. The perfect weapon to bring peace and harmony to the world without disturbing the extremely fragile CO2 levels which produce both heating and cooling simultaneously. Now if they can only be improved to devastate white heterosexual binary males of privilege, they would be the perfect weapon. What is the US army doing in the gay climate change BLM business? The greatest threat to humanity is idiocy. In this case WOKE is fast asleep.

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    xvart

    LOL at the end of this people are beginning to work out bitcoin isn’t anonymous and only cash is whether it’s metal or notes you only own what’s in your hand, the future is “take the jab get the chip slaves”

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    tonyb

    An ‘office of the gender advisor might sound like a dept of an especially woke council

    When it is a position at Nato, the Russians and Chinese don’t really need to do anything but wait a few more years as the edifice of Western civilsation comes crashing down in a wave of soft centred wokeism as this sort of nonsense reaches into every part of western governments and academia

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-10506123/PETER-HITCHENS-Nato-Gender-Advisor-know-wokery-won.html

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      John R Smith

      Being a bit of a history and current events nerd (strictly amateur), I’m often asked, “do you think the Russians/Chinese will invade XXX?”
      I usually say, “why would they, their offensive is already a success.”
      I actually think Russian tanks, and Chinese naval excursions are just meant to keep us thinking like it’s still 1980.
      Cold War?
      Who won?
      Both.
      We know have multi-national corporate capitalism with communist social control.
      In my US state, I have to show up with my original birth certificate to renew my driving license. I’ve been licensed in this state for 30 years.
      Newly arrived illegal immigrants can get licensed without ID proof and in a fraction of the time.
      Not kidding.

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        TdeF

        I am extremely skeptical of the invasion of Ukraine by Russia. Whenever the Democrats are in trouble, they blame Russia. It is the Bogey man. And no one mentions China, their real border war with India, their economic hammer blows on Australia and their open threats on Taiwan. No, it’s always Russia.

        Ukraine is easily the most corrupt non representative Kleptomaniac country in Europe. The Bidens both have history in Ukraine. Trump was impeached for allegedly doing what Biden actually did. And the live civil war in Eastern Ukraine is not mentioned, as if Ukraine is at peace. And Belarus to the North which is in turmoil. Russian troops and equipment are likely there to intimidate and prevent a blood bath in the Donbas and the West is arming Ukraine and pretending it is all unexpected. As for the alleged Invasion of Crimea, it is a tiny place, 2% of Ukraine and an economic basketplace and gifted to Ukraine by Nikita Kruschev for no apparent reason. The army changed the flag. Those people just went home as anyone over 60 was born in Russia. I was there for Russia Day and the place was awash with Russian flags and the people speak Russian, not Ukranian. It was a great relief and Russia is pouring money into the place and built an incredible massive bridge from The Kurban peninsula to avoid conflict. Remember the Crimean war? Or WWII?

        But the China threat on Taiwan is public and an invasion is very likely and CCP policy as announced by their President for life. Putin has denied such intentions but who believes Putin and why not believe what Xi has actually said publicly on numerous occasions? A Russian invasion is a deliberate misreading of the purpose of their buildup, so this is blatant distraction politics. And what would Russia gain?

        And what high level politician in the world is not in China’s pocket? Even Mitch McConnell has a well connected Chinese wife. The Bidens, all of them, are up to their armpits in Chinese cash. And ASIO announced that they have broken up a Chinese plot to get control of Labor politicians. What a surprise. And why not both sides of the fence? China is now rich and masses of Chinese students and families are spending billions in Australia, buying property and influence. They even bought the port of Darwin! From Melbourne to Cambridge, no University is reporting the millions in Cash being paid for influence and literally to buy properties. They are now dependent on big spending Chinese students when the Universities of China are very good and far cheaper. It’s all so obvious but cash talks.

        Like Wuhan Flu, everyone is afraid to tell the truth. Rubbish. The killer virus was made in a French military laboratory with US laundered funding from Dr. Fauci and launched with the help of the UN/WHO and the Democrats and even the Communist May of Florence who introduced Hug a Chinese day. But we are told the Russians are the problem. And Climate Change is even scarier. Of course. As Homer Simpson would say, look! A blue car!

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    Kalm Keith

    The Canberra rally was great.
    Certainly a great number were there but it’s hard to estimate numbers because so many important factors are missing.

    Complete aerial photos of the crowd are not available with many being present outside the drone footage.

    Police estimated 10,000 and this is the figure used by the misleadia but a friend gave me data that allowed calculation of the number on the bridge at any one time; say about 8,500.

    It’s more than likely that three groups of that size could have walked giving a total to the foot of parliament hill of 25,500.

    PeterC being more “on the spot” estimated 40,000.

    It would be interesting to get a useful assessment of the crowd because there’s little doubt that the powers that be will not tell us the real numbers.

    Has anyone heard of reliable estimates?

    KK

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    David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

    Evening all,

    This article is from the February 13 issue of The Sydney Morning Herald Digital Edition. To subscribe, visit https://www.smh.com.au.
    CONSPIRACY THEORIES

    I balked at this initially on reading this first statement attributed to Bosi, talking about the Canberra event:

    ” But former special forces soldier Riccardo Bosi is among them with a bigger agenda, calling for the Governor-General to sack the Parliament and install an executive council to take over running elections from the Australian Electoral Commission. “,
    thinking, up to now, that the AEC was pure,

    but came on board with him when I read the next bit:

    ” In several videos posted on social media last week, Mr Bosi told his fellow protesters that the electoral commission can’t be trusted.

    ‘‘ The AEC recommended recently to the government to use Dominion votecounting machines,’’ he said. ‘‘ Do you think you’re going to get a free and fair election under these bastards?’’ “.

    Dominion? Here!? Maybe already? Maybe already in place for the next election(s)? How do we stop this?

    Cheers
    Dave B

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    Graeme+P.

    Just got back from Canberra, been in Epic since Monday. Mere words cannot express the experience.

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      Kalm Keith

      Hi Graeme,
      We walked through the EPIC camping area about 8pm Saturday night after the walk to parliament and the place was jam packed.

      The atmosphere was relaxed and the main thing that came across was that a lot of people had gone to a lot of effort to be there. It was a massive group.

      I walked across the bridge in the morning but stopped at the bottom of parliament hill, turned around and stumbled back against the crowd which had begun to use the lane coming from parliament side.

      Thanks for the photo and the estimate. My co driver went the whole way and should recognise the location.

      We drove 5 hours each way from NovoCastria and I’m told that the trip from Melbourne is longer at 7 hours.

      As James says above, a lot of commitment has been shown by a lot of people in getting to such an isolated place.

      The depth of anger against the government structure has been shown to be significant.

      KK

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        PeterS

        Yes indeed the depth of anger against the government is very significant; by one group of people. However, don’t forget we are a divided nation and there is another group of people, perhaps much larger who are in favour of what the government is doing. Don’t ignore that fact. Our governments and the MSM will take advantage of that fact and will not listen to the freedom fighters let alone support them. There is only way one to send a powerful message; don’t vote for any major party. It’s our last hope to put a stop to the despot major parties by peaceful means.

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        Graeme+P.

        Saturday night was rather subdued after Thursday and Friday nights. The atmosphere then was electric. Travellers rolling in were welcomed by thousands of people lining the streets of the camp cheering and thanking them. On Friday night it was bumper to bumper from midday to midnight where at it’s peak took nearly 2 hours for arrivals to crawl from the main gate to the northern camp sites. You could see the weariness on travellers faces with many having drove down from Queensland that day but they where also positively elated at being there and receiving the welcome they got. There where many tears.
        I’m soon turning 53 and my week at Epic was a once in a lifetime experience, I simply cannot adequately explain what it was like to be there. People from all walks of life coming together for a common purpose and supporting each other through their struggles. If nothing is gained politically from the protest it was still a massive success in terms of social support. In many ways the camp was the nations largest group therapy session. People were finally able talk freely without being ostracised and condemned. I heard many accounts of family and friends turning on people for not submitting, jobs lost, lives destroyed, bankruptcy and the terrible tole the vaccination adverse events were taking. People needed so desperately to get this off their chests.
        The organisers set up a camp kitchen to feed the masses and donations of money and goods (clothing etc) were organised to support those who were most in need. I met a hairdressers who was cutting hair and donating the proceeds and a coffee van owner/operator who was doing the same thing. To many stories to tell.

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    KP

    “US Deploys F-16s To Romania As NATO Mulls Permanent Black Sea Battle Groups”
    “…This means that even should the Russians not invade Ukraine, this current crisis will serve as NATO rationale to keep additional forces in Eastern Europe on a more permanent basis.”

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-deploys-f-16s-romania-nato-mulls-permanent-battle-groups-black-sea-region

    “Russia’s UN ambassador, Gennady Gatilov, said Russia’s “serious concern is that the US and its allies are exacerbating the situation to the point where the game of raising the stakes could turn into a real tragedy.” Even Putin is losing patience: “Not an inch to the East they told us in the 1990s, and look what happened – they cheated us, vehemently and blatantly.””
    The alleged “Ukraine Crisis” has proved that NATO has no capability of defending Ukraine or any Eastern European member, nor in my opinion any Western European member. The Polish and Romanian governments know this as well as anyone. The US missile bases endanger them, not defend them.
    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2022/02/11/someone-needs-to-tell-the-kremlin-that-the-ukraine-crisis-is-over/

    ..and while we’re all watching Russia, America is stealing the money!

    Biden Orders Seizure Of $7 Billion In Afghan Funds, With Half Going To 9/11 Victims. The White House has said the action will ensure the funds stay out of the hands of the Taliban and “malicious actors”.
    Specifically the order will force all American financial institutions holding Afghan central bank assets to transfer the funds to a consolidated account at the Federal Reserve Bank in New York. As The Hill observes, “The effort is unusual, as it involves money held by a foreign government on U.S. soil. It is likely to be the subject of complex litigation.”
    http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/320380-2022-02-12-biden-orders-seizure-of-7-billion-in-afghan-funds-with.htm

    Many many years ago, most people, myself included, just thought we were the good guys…

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      Tel

      “…This means that even should the Russians not invade Ukraine, this current crisis will serve as NATO rationale to keep additional forces in Eastern Europe on a more permanent basis.”

      Golly … it’s almost like that was the idea all along.

      And then if no reaction to this much … perhaps a bit more. Hmmmm?

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    https://www.cfact.org/2022/02/12/farming-the-air/

    Farming the air
    By David Wojick
    The beginning: “You are built almost entirely out of carbon dioxide and water. So is all the food you eat. Likewise for all the energy you use moving about and staying alive. Carbon dioxide and water! In short the carbon dioxide in the air is the global food supply. This is why all life on Earth is said to be “carbon based”.

    The climate alarmists play a tricky word game here. They call carbon dioxide “pollution” and wind and solar power “clean.” Our food supply is not pollution. Nor is emitting carbon dioxide (which we all do when we exhale) unclean. This is just false advertising. Watching a child grow is watching processed carbon dioxide be reprocessed.

    Here is how it works. Plants collect carbon dioxide from the air then use sunlight and water to create the stuff they consume to build their bodies and to live on. They also use tiny amounts of vitamins and minerals, just as we do. Fertilizer is like vitamins, not like food. So almost all of what they use is carbon dioxide and water. Animals eat the plants for food, basically reprocessing the carbon dioxide and water. Then we eat both plants and animals.

    There is a saying that you cannot live on air but in fact that is just what we do. All of our food begins as airborne (or waterborne) carbon dioxide. Our farmers are literally farming the air!

    Go into a grocery store and look around. All the food you see — vegetables, fruit and meat — fresh, frozen or canned — is processed carbon dioxide. So are the people shopping there. So are you.”

    More in the article. Please share it.

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      TdeF

      Yes, every tree, animal, bird, fish, insect, tree and plant is made almost entirely from only two chemicals water and carbon dixoide. Photosynthesis traps energy as hydrated carbon dixoide or carbohydrate. And if a 50 ton tree grew from the soil, there would be a big hole around the tree. In fact the tree pushes the soil up. The tree is solid carbon dioxide and water and little else. So are we and when we dry out, we burn like wood. All life on earth is made from Carbon Dioxide and it must be stopped.

      The other fact is that as CO2 goes up, the world gets far greener. Agreed by NASA and the CSIRO from Satellite observations since 1978 and it is obvious. More CO2, more crops. However at the same time as CO2 goes up, trees go up. Making nonsense of Nett Zero in which trees go up and CO2 goes down. Which is transparently wrong, despite being a policy of the Australian government, the UN and every leftist in the world. Climate Change is an utterly science free zone and no self appointed Climate Scientist is a meteorologist because Climate is not the weather? So what is it? A UN policy for redistribution of wealth. Like Wu Flu.

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      Sambar

      Thanks David, equally as being the building blocks of life, carbon dioxide is a little like the water cycle in so much as its always there and just going round and round. The call to ban livestock farming does nothing to decrease carbon dioxide. If there is no livestock farming the same amount of CO2 still exists just in a different format.
      Grass grows, is not consumed, dies and releases CO2 as decay process. Cattle graze on grass, lock carbon up in various forms until they die/ consumed then release the stored carbon back into the cycle. No more no less than was available for life or death of anything.
      Its a little like the argument that it takes 600 litres of water to produce 1 kilogram of beef yet a kilo of beef still only weighs 1 kilo. where has all that water gone ? Why just round and round and when the beef is consumed its entire water content is dumped back into the water cycle. no more, no less.

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        TdeF

        Before cattle, in the US there were endless herds of buffalo. In Australia, kangaroos and now a million camels.

        This story of methane is where the vegetarians join with the climate carping as if the grass was not going to be eaten anyway. Humans only eat the seeds. And if horses and cattle and buffalo do not eat the grass, other species do. And eventually armies of termites which also emit methane as they are digesting cellulose.

        It’s all made up nonsense that cattle are a climate problem, that we grow more cattle than the country can support or somehow increase CO2 or methane by growing cattle. It’s fake arithmetic.
        The grass grows only as much as it can and the cattle only eat as much as they can. Cattle are our choice, of many. Of course humans could eat kangaroos and emus and crocodiles and termites instead of cattle. We are omnivores.

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          TdeF

          And if the argument is that methane is worse than CO2, CO2 is only 0.04% and methane is 0.00017%, so 1/200. And if it is 30x more potent, it is still only adding 14% to something which has not had any detectable effect on the weather in 32 years. Assuming there was no methane in the first place. These are hand waving exercises where people come up with an idea and transform it into a Chicken Little scenario as an attack on Western Society. Perhaps we should farm huge numbers of ducks?

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            TdeF

            And if the argument is that we should go back to eating like our ancient ancestors, they at mainly meat. Agriculture is only 10,000 years old. And now we are all supposed to be vegetarians?

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              philemon

              Actually, I worry about vegetarians and vegans. I’ve noticed some brain damage. It’s not a healthy diet.

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                John R T

                !!!!
                Please read Lauden, “Cuisine & . .”. Rome, daily, consumed a million pounds of No. African grain and other seed, @ beginning of C.E.
                Roman legions overran much of Europe, eating vegetables, cheeses – and seasoned with dried/salted fish/meat.
                (Pity Amerinds, staying home: with maise, quinoa,squash, and the perishable potato.)

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        Indeed Sambar. I am doing a sequel piece that discusses the cycle.

        Where has your carbon been?

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        Annie

        That’s an excellent comment Sambar. Very nicely and neatly put. Are children taught anthing about natural cycles? Water, carbon?

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          I saw a popular lesson on the carbon cycle that did not mention CO2. They made it sound like leaves fell to the ground, rotted and were absorbed by roots. Ridiculous.

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    TdeF

    And one of the concerns I have for WA is whether the recent infections are Delta or Omicron. One problem of locking the doors is that they can be the last people in the world to harbour Delta and the world, WA are much safer wiping it out with Omicron by opening the doors. Otherwise they remain a risk to the rest of the country.

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      TdeF

      The world did not defeat the Spanish flu. No, it never died out. It was swamped by a benign version in 1920 and people went back to their normal lives. The original H1N1 virus is still with us, killing 2,000 Australians a year. Except the last two years in which no one has died. We have reached that point again with Wu Flu and the relatively benign Omicron. In fact by locking the people of WA up, any Delta deaths will be directly the result of the Premier’s action. He is poorly advised.

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        TdeF

        Herd immunity did not save the world from the Spanish flu. The theory of herd immunity is wrong, a fancy made up explanation for natural mass immunity, a rationalization which sounds plausible. In fact the most vulnerable are not the young but the old and they are not protected by the masses. Largely immune children spread viruses very quickly among themselves and to the vulnerable. Unfortunately this rationalization cost a lot of lives in many countries as they tried to reach herd immunity with a deadly variant.

        Ironically the benign virus always appear in the mass populations of people who are not innoculated. It is statistically most likely and precisely what happened. There may even be more benign variants on the way, but it hardly matters with the vulnerable vaccinated anyway but now the profiteers of doom want to vaccinate all the children? That is utterly wrong. It is also not a disease which affects the children. Rather they really need the lifelong natural immunity not mass profits for pharmaceutical companies.

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    Stan

    CBC says that China is one of Canada’s enemies and may be behind the Freedom Rally.

    https://youtu.be/_c0vpZA1iSc

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      TdeF

      So a very popular uprising against government tyranny has to caused by foreign agents because the people of Canada are too stupid to think for themselves or have a strong opinion? What an insult. These are the hardworking people who keep the cities fed. And they seem to be held in contempt by both the politicians and the press. The French and Russian revolutions started the same way.

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        philemon

        “The French and Russian revolutions started the same way.”

        And look how they ended up. The metric system and bolshevism. Not saying the U.S. revolution was much better.

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      philemon

      I thought it was Russia? 😉

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    John Hultquist

    As I state in 9.1 above, it is time to move past The Panic.
    The big issue I wonder about is how will the 3 years of disruption to education be remedied?
    Am I the only person that thinks this is important? Ask me how much money I am willing to put toward ameliorating education disruption versus doing something about climate change. Using a calculator to get the ratio of $ED/$CC would return “invalid operation“.
    Rant over.

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    psychedelia smith

    Has Bit Chute now been Trudeau’d? Is anyone getting a dead video in this post with the message “Channel Restricted – Contains Incitement to Hatred”?

    WTF is going on here? I thought Bit Chute was independent and incorruptible?

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    psychedelia smith

    Is anyone else getting a dead Bit Chute video in this post with the message “Channel Restricted – Contains Incitement to Hatred”?

    WTF is going on here? Has Bit Chute now been Trudeau’d? I thought Bit Chute was independent and incorruptible. I’ve already had $30 stolen and refunded by Go Fund Me and now $50 dollars in limbo with Give Send Go. Has the cartel got to Bit Chute now as well? This stinks like a 1970’s French toilet.

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    psychedelia smith

    Sorry about the duplicate comments.. I thought it hadn’t posted.

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    PeterS

    Video from 1947 – Don’t Be a Sucker

    This old film from 1947 serves as a warning — do not allow the government to divide us.

    The video discusses how the people came together as the German people until Hitler came to power. The people were then divided by race and religion, separated, and no longer allowed to identify as simply “German.”

    “If those people stuck together, if they had protected each other, they could have resisted the Nazi threat. Together they would have been strong, but once they allowed themselves to be split apart, they were helpless. When that first minority lost out, everybody lost out. They made the mistake of gambling with other people’s freedom,” the narrator said.

    “You have a right to be who you are and say what you think because here we have personal freedom. These are not just fancy words, this is a practical and priceless way of living. But we must work it. We must guard everyone’s liberty or we will lose our own.”

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    PeterS

    Yes, we are now a divided nation, thanks to all our leaders. It won’t end well unless we get new leaders, state and federal to bring sanity back into society.

    Pro-Government extremist attacks Canberra Convoy!
    Pro-Government Extremist attacks Freedom Part 2

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      Kalm Keith

      She’s an ugly piece of work.

      Wonder if she knows grace and brittany, the other victims.

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      Thanks for posting this Peter. I first saw it on the Catallaxy blog yesterday.

      It is very relevant to what I observed at the rally itself. As I have posted before, it was outstandingly a crowd ( I estimated it to be well over 100,000) of average, working families. There were kids and even their dogs. Wonderfully friendly, laid back crowd. Dare I say – real Aussies.

      The dreadful footage of the Canberra woman driver shouting expletives about “you bogans” should “ get out of Canberra” is a disturbing indication of an elitist attitude to many other Australians.

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      Rick W Kargaard

      I think that is true of most Western nations. They have almost won. Thank to the Canadian truckers, we now have at least half the Canadian nation united behind them. We need a clear majority, however.

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      PeterS

      Yes KK and Vicki, she certainly is an ugly piece of work. Where were the police when they were really needed? She deserve to spend some time in prison to reflect.

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    Rick Kargaard

    My somewhat interesting and anecdotal story.
    When an effective smallpox vaccine was finally developed it became mostly compulsory in Canada.
    I received my first vaccination preschool. Thereafter every schoolchild that was unvaccinated was required to accept the vaccination during yearly visits to the schools by health authorities.
    This was long before digital records and a scar from previous vaccinations was the only proof accepted.
    In my case I did not scar, probably was already immune. I went to the same school for 12 years and was vaccinated 13 time in total. No argument was allowed. vaccinations in those days were not exactly pain free and may have contributed to my current obstinate resistance to government overreach.

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      Sambar

      Arrr, the school vaccination programmes. The process was quite simple when I went to school, a long line of kids were lined up, a doctor with a very large syringe started dosing out injected amounts into arms, no alchol wipes, a quick run through a flame for the needle in-between victims. Needle changes occurred when someone started crying with the pain of a blunt needle. The good old days in deed

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    another ian

    “SAFE AND EFFECTIVE”

    “Nothing to see here, just Pfizer walking away from billions in profit.”

    “Pfizer Inc said on Friday it had withdrawn an application for emergency-use authorisation of its COVID-19 vaccine in India, after failing to meet the drug regulator’s demand for a local safety and immunogenicity study.

    The decision means the vaccine will not be available for sale in the world’s two most populous countries, India and China, in the near future. Both countries are running their immunisation campaigns using other products.

    Unlike other companies conducting small studies in India for foreign-developed vaccines, Pfizer had sought an exception citing approvals it had received elsewhere based on trials done in countries such as the United States and Germany.”

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2022/02/13/safe-and-effective-46/

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      Forrest Gardener

      Now THAT’s an interesting development.

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      Forrest Gardener

      One of the commenters points out that Small Dead Animals in February 2022 is commenting on a Reuters article published in February 2021.

      How I dislike fake news.

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    another ian

    “Oligarchy’s Response to the Freedom Convoy Bodes Ill for Them
    The deposition of Canada’s prime minister is unlikely to be so sanguinary as the Ceaușescus in Romania. But it will be no less definitive. ”

    https://amgreatness.com/2022/02/12/oligarchys-response-to-the-freedom-convoy-bodes-ill-for-them/

    Via SDA

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    robert rosicka

    I’m seeing news reports of Zali Steggle getting a donation of around $1mil from an investor who is heavily into coal , I’m sure the MSM will be right onto it . Paul Zannetti the cartoonist has dug this story up .

    Story is in the “Sydney Morning Herald”.

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    another ian

    “Biden Admin requires US citizens to be vaccinated to leave Ukraine via land border to Poland
    Monday, 14 February 2022”

    https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2022/02/biden-admin-requires-us-citizens-to-be-vaccinated-to-leave-ukraine-via-land-border-to-poland.html

    More from “The Nuthouse”?

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    another ian

    Canada

    “Predictions on How/When This Will End?”

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2022/02/13/predictions-on-how-this-will-end/

    Particularly the first video

    But then in the light of #33 Biden might well not fill that predicted role

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    another ian

    “Where’s Trudo’ Comic Brutally Mocks Justin Trudeau for Hiding During Freedom Convoy Protests

    https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2022/02/13/wheres-trudo-comic-brutally-mocks-justin-trudeau-for-hiding-during-freedom-convoy-protests/

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      Sambar

      Thats just funny, I did have a senior moment though with the fat guy wearing the tee shirt “I Luv Pharma”. My slightly addled brain read “I luv Parma” and I though, so do I ,
      didn’t realise they had them in Canada!

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    another ian

    A poll answering tip via Kate at SDA

    “I answered every question except the one on racial identity: they included agreement with Covid policies, major concerns, direction the country was headed in, and was I vaccinated? (Always answer “yes” to this question if you oppose mandates, because it runs counter to the narrative).”

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    OldOzzie

    Will the ‘Unvaxxed’ Have the Last Laugh?

    For over a year now, the messaging from our “health experts” and government leaders has been as dreary as it has been monotonal: Take the covid “vaccine” or die.

    That talking point was reiterated by President Biden* just a few weeks ago when he warned the “unvaxxed” would face “a winter of severe disease and death.”

    Originally, of course, we were told the mRNA injections would prevent people from contracting the disease. “If you get vaccinated, you won’t get covid” was the mantra recited for months, in various forms and multiple forums, by Drs. Fauci, Walensky, and Murthy, President Biden*, and many others. We were also assured that sufficiently jabbed people don’t spread the virus, with Fauci claiming the injections constitute a “dead end for covid.”

    It’s important not to forget those statements, as the same people now insist they never promised any such thing. Perhaps that’s because, in the face of overwhelming evidence, they’ve been forced to admit jabbed people can and do get covid and can and do give it to others. Said Walensky just a few weeks ago, “what [the vaccines] can’t do anymore is prevent transmission.” Even Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla was forced to acknowledge that his products now offer “limited, in any, protection.”

    So, yeah. There you go. The injections might—emphasis on might—provide some short-term protection against serious illness and death, although that benefit appears to be disappearing fast. But at what cost? The potentially permanent suppression of your immune system?

    Since most healthy people aren’t even at serious risk from the disease, that seems like a high price to pay. And it may well be that, when the pandemic itself is a distant memory, those who refused the shots and came through okay will be much better off in the long run than their incessantly “vaxxed” fellow citizens.

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      That may well be. Geert VanDen Bossche still vehemently recommends unvaccinated maintain their status, despite his continued fear that vaccinating during a pandemic may produce a more deadly variant. He says this because of his belief in the strength of natural immunity as superior to the vax affected depleted immunity.

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    OldOzzie

    Table 5 is damning

    Many thanks to Peter Smith – “Are the vaccines more of a dud than even we ever thought?” for reminding me in his latest post of NSW Health’s Weekly Summary and the latest figures re COVID severity and vaccine status.

    I would recommend reading both the post and his links therein. I simply want to point out and emphasize Table 5 in the Weekly Summary, it is damning:

    In every category, no effective dose is doing as well or better than one effective dose, two effective doses, and three or more effective doses (are there already patients with four or more ‘effective’ doses in our hospital system?). This is really quite extraordinary.

    The entire prudential justification for vaccine mandates has dissolved and their continuance only magnifies the injustice involved therein.

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      OldOzzie

      The CDC Data Nobody Is Talking About Raises Urgent Questions for Bureaucrats

      If that is the case, why is no one talking about two seroprevalence studies on the CDC website? At a minimum, they raise questions about the public health response, the current pandemic statistics, and the immune response individuals have to a COVID infection after receiving the vaccines. The two studies measure detectable antibodies in the population nationwide.

      The first is the commercial laboratory study constructed to detect people who have recovered from an infection. To be considered antibody-positive after recovery, a person needed to be positive for N, or nucleocapsid, antibodies as well as the S, or spike protein, antibody. The second is the blood donor study, which looked at people who recovered and those with vaccinated immunity. That study used the presence of the N antibody to differentiate between the recovered and the vaccinated.

      According to the commercial lab study, between 33.1% and 34% of the population have circulating antibodies following a COVID infection as of 12/26/2021. For children 17 and under, approximately 44% show evidence of antibodies from prior infection. To emphasize, nearly half of the children under 17 express recovered immunity, and in two years, less than 1,000 have died. Yet Pfizer and Dr. Fauci are talking about giving toddlers and infants three doses of an experimental vaccine. And teachers’ union president Randi Weingarten wants 80% of school-age children to be vaccinated before masks come off.

      The blood donor study estimates the combined recovered and vaccinated immunity nationwide at almost 94% as of Feb. 8, 2022. Once again, the estimates for immunity in the population never decline.The first question is, if seroprevalence is not waning over time, why does the vaccine’s effectiveness? With such high levels of vaccinated and recovered immunity, why are health officials talking about additional boosters? An update from Johns Hopkins’s study of natural immunity demonstrates recovered patients have circulating antibodies to COVID nearly two years after recovering.

      The blood donor study estimates the combined recovered and vaccinated immunity nationwide at almost 94% as of Feb. 8, 2022. Once again, the estimates for immunity in the population never decline.

      The first question is, if seroprevalence is not waning over time, why does the vaccine’s effectiveness? With such high levels of vaccinated and recovered immunity, why are health officials talking about additional boosters? An update from Johns Hopkins’s study of natural immunity demonstrates recovered patients have circulating antibodies to COVID nearly two years after recovering.

      The second question is whether the lack of N antibodies really rules out an infection in vaccinated individuals. According to the ZOE COVID study, one in five recovered patients does not have detectable N antibodies. The U.K. Health Security Agency also issued a report in late 2021 that noted that patients who recovered from COVID after receiving two doses of the vaccine developed fewer N antibodies than unvaccinated people that became infected. Vaccinations have been available for over a year, and the CDC reports 80.5% of Americans over five have had at least one dose. How is the CDC sure it is capturing all post-vaccination infections using the current study model?

      Finally, if the nation has hit Dr. Fauci’s 90% goal for expressing immunity through recovery or vaccination, why is 98% of the country still considered to have high transmission according to the CDC?

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    OldOzzie

    Finnish athlete posted pictures of water leaking into her apartment, ordered by Chinese officials to delete them

    A Finnish skier claims she was ordered by Chinese officials to delete photos she shared on social media showing water flooding the athlete’s village and flowing out of light fixtures at the Winter Olympics.

    Katri Lylynpera posted a number of photos and videos last week showing water pouring down from the ceiling at her lodging and creating puddles on the floor.

    Exposed electrical equipment can also be seen in a number of the photos.

    Lylynpera captioned the video “help”, while also sharing footage of officials arriving to clean up the mess.

    Here are some of the pictures she posted, via Instagram:

    Chinese residential construction is notorious for poor quality. I’ve seen videos of foreign residents showing serious flaws in their brand-new apartments.

    Readers are no doubt familiar with the starvation-level food service that other athletes are complaining about.

    And the ski jump located at a disused steel mill (that looks like a nuclear power plant with its cooling towers) is not winning many people over to the workers’ paradise that is being built.

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    another ian

    “Canadian State Media Declare Freedom is Racist
    February 13, 2022 | Sundance | 40 Comments
    The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC), a media entity funded by the Canadian government, announces today that “freedom” is a word used by extremist “far-right” groups. These are the same labeled groups the Canadian government has called racist and worse.

    Yes, the official position from the Canadian state media [Article Here] is that freedom is racist.”

    More at

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/02/13/canadian-state-media-declare-freedom-is-racist/

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    David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

    Afternoon all,
    A story I’d not expected to see in MSM, a brief mention in SMH (no link, sorry. Their story shows their approach quite clearly by calling it a “horse dewormer”.) and this from the ABC:

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-14/liberal-mp-promotes-taking-ivermectin-for-covid-19/100828744

    This MP not only promotes it, he’s actually taken some. And he’s still alive.

    But it’s all right. The ABC is still on its own course, and the story goes to some length to ensure you know it’s not allowed and doctors can’t prescribe it. Not that they reach the real reason for the ban.

    Three cheers for Russell Broadbent for announcing this in the Parliament. I thank him.

    Cheers
    Dave B

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    another ian

    Re that Maru poll mentioned at #8

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AblYtZsPw2E

    Sounds like someone ought to read it right way up this time

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    el+gordo

    Wind energy gets a boost from favourable weather conditions.

    https://www.weatherzone.com.au/news/ideal-wind-power-week-for-the-nem/536185

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    William Astley

    There is evidence that the first RNA vaccines are interfering and suppressing the functioning of our immune system. The first release RNA vaccines are dangerous and they only provide six months ‘protection’.

    Omicron is 1/10 as deadly as Delta. Because Omicron is less deadly, there is now no public health reason, to continue to vaccinate people with the first release RNA vaccines.

    https://d197for5662m48.cloudfront.net/documents/publicationstatus/75311/preprint_pdf/7204e73a5bc787e851c8d15a3e538ec7.pdf

    Innate Immune Suppression by SARS-CoV-2 mRNA Vaccinations

    “In this paper, we present the evidence that vaccination, unlike natural infection, induces a profound impairment in type I interferon signaling, which has diverse adverse consequences to human health.

    …We also identify potential profound disturbances in regulatory control of protein synthesis and cancer surveillance. These disturbances are shown to have a potentially direct causal link to neurodegenerative disease, myocarditis, immune thrombocytopenia, Bell’s palsy, liver disease, impaired adaptive immunity, increased tumorigenesis, and DNA damage.

    We show evidence from adverse event reports in the VAERS database supporting our hypothesis. We believe a comprehensive risk/benefit assessment of the mRNA vaccines excludes them as positive contributors to public health, even in the context of the Covid-19 pandemic.”

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    farmerbraun

    Is Australia really hand -in glove with the U.S/ City of London on this at the popular level?

    ” the new US Indo-Pacific Strategy. This states the US will pursue key objectives in concert with allies to:

    Advance a free and open Indo-Pacific: “through investments in democratic institutions, a free press, and a vibrant civil society. The US will bolster freedom of information and expression and combat foreign interference by supporting investigative journalism, promoting media literacy and pluralistic and independent media, and increasing collaboration to address threats from information manipulation…the US will be a partner in strengthening democratic institutions, the rule of law, and accountable democratic governance.” So, very Cold War!

    Build connections within and beyond the region: “deepening our five regional treaty alliances –with Australia, Japan, the ROK, the Philippines, and Thailand– and strengthening relationships with leading regional partners, including India, Indonesia, Malaysia, Mongolia, New Zealand, Singapore, Taiwan, Vietnam, and the Pacific Islands…. Allies and partners outside of the region are increasingly committing new attention to the Indo-Pacific, particularly the EU and NATO.” So, everyone except Russia, North Korea, and China.

    Drive regional prosperity. “The US will put forward an Indo-Pacific economic framework… We will develop new approaches to trade that meet high labour and environmental standards and will govern our digital economies and cross-border data flows according to open principles… We will work with our partners to advance resilient and secure supply chains that are diverse, open, and predictable… We will also redouble our commitment to helping Indo-Pacific partners close the region’s infrastructure gap.” So, rebuilding economic ties on US terms – though how is unclear.

    Bolster Indo-Pacific security: “The US will work with allies and partners to deepen our interoperability and develop and deploy advanced warfighting capabilities… We will [find] new opportunities to link our defence industrial bases, integrating our defence supply chains, and co-producing key technologies that will shore up our collective military advantages.” So, US defence as umbrella and umbilical cord – against Russia, North Korea, and China. (There will also be a focus on maritime security, as we predicted back in ‘In Deep Ship’.)

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      el+gordo

      We are not prepared. the Australian Defence admits fighters can’t fly.

      ‘Defence has revised down the planned availability of the fleet of F-35A fighter jets for the next four years, despite growing regional threats.’ (Oz)

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        farmerbraun

        “We are not prepared.”

        Prepared for what? What is it that you see as a threat for which to prepare a defence (?) ?

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