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Deaths from 1 degree of warming nothing compared to an Electricity Grid collapse for a year

Even the worst imaginary scenarios for global warming are nothing compared to a year without electricity. Bunky Mortimer III thinks US priorities are screwed.

The US will spend some $555b to prevent a theoretical warming of a degree or two. A warming which may not occur for a century, if at all, and about which the largest competitors to the USA are doing nothing.

In contrast, a solar Carrington event, one nuclear blast, or a cyber attack taking out just nine interconnector sites could collapse the entire US grid for 18 months.

Which environmental threat matters? The West is in apoplexy over the environmental degradation affecting polar bears, but the environment we need the most right now is the one with fresh water, edible food and a room temperature above freezing.

Securing the grid should be this country’s highest environmental priority

Taki’s Magazine

A prolonged collapse of this nation’s electrical grid—through starvation, disease, and societal collapse—could result in the death of up to 90% of the U.S. population. This figure has not been disputed, yet this prospect has received virtually no attention from policy makers or the media. The environmental issue holding center stage, of course, is global warming.

The weak point are the Extra High Voltage transformers which may take one to two years to replace. Not many EHV Transformers were made in the US, and concerns were raised a decade ago, even thirty years ago. Some estimate the US manufacturing is so low they have to import 85% of them. By 2016, not much had changed, despite the urgency, and dire threat. If a crunch is widespread, these transformers will be impossible to get without long delays.

 A study published in 2010 for the Congressional EMP Commission calculated that a nuclear detonation 170 kilometers over the United States would collapse the entire U.S. power grid.

A 2017 report by the Department of Defense states that “the United States today lives in a virtual glass house.” In 2018 the Department of Homeland Security issued an alert that Russia could shut down American power plants at will. The grid is also vulnerable to small-scale coordinated military operations. An internal Federal Energy Regulatory Commission memo states that “destroy nine interconnector substations and a transformer manufacturer and the entire United States grid would be down for 18 months, possibly longer.”

With no power, there’s no frozen food, no water pumps, no fuel pumps, no banking, no internet, no phones, and soon no deliveries, no fertilizer, and no hospitals.

The CCP must like the Pentagon:

Climate change is defined by the Pentagon as a threat equal to that posed by China. Meanwhile, China has developed a hypersonic missile, traveling at five times the speed of sound, that can produce an EMP without the need of a nuclear warhead.

Hopefully adversaries of the USA haven’t been reading old reports by the US Dept of Cybersecurity, Energy Security, or Emergency Response. They might get ideas.

Grids, who needs em? Even polar bears. A prolonged grid collapse would have people hunting  seals too — armed, loaded and not happy about competition.

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118 comments to Deaths from 1 degree of warming nothing compared to an Electricity Grid collapse for a year

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    Simon

    A distributed power grid is the most resilient, where electricity is generated locally from a multitude of sources with storage capability.

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      Geoff+Croker

      Just need US$20T and abracadabra, local power everywhere. Joe is the right man at the right time. Print baby print.

      What could go wrong……….

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        ozfred

        The business environment relating to electricity generation and consumption has changed a lot since I installed PV generation panels in 2012. There was no “green philosophy” involved in the decision. Rather an expectation that the cost of grid supplied electricity power would continue to increase in price (at levels exceeding general inflation). And so far the panels have mostly worked to expectations though the inverters converting the panels’ power to usable AC have been “a bit fragile” requiring replacement (under warranty). And the “rules” for a grid connected installation have been amended a number of times in the intervening time. Likely this would require a replacement of “everything except the panels” if any change were desired.
        And yes I am considering that “gray area” of acquiring new inverters (and perhaps additional panels) which will allow the connection of batteries resulting in the ability to “ride through” grid outages. Alas in a rural part of a regional area, these outages occur far too often. And it seems all the installers prefer uninformed customers.
        But these plans will mitigate an economic collapse far better than a physical catastrophe, since an EMP explosion (or similar) would like seriously overload the PV panels (to the point of destruction?)
        In the end it is a question of what level of independence (or risk) the lowly consumer is willing to accept.
        I note as an aside, that the power supplier in West Australia decided a long time ago to install wind power generation in Albany. Perhaps to avoid upgrading the main distribution line?

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          With respect to rooftop panel supply of electricity to the home, then if the idea is continuity of supply, then you must go off grid by installing a battery capable of delivering the amount of power to keep you home running. Now, having done exactly that, I keep thinking ….. “what’s the point?”

          And then, when the grid goes down, umm, humungous smile on face. I made a truly great decision. I have power to my home.

          However, don’t attempt to use the roads in a city situation, as there is no traffic control, no traffic lights, no street lights for driving at night. No petrol to put in your car, as that relies on the petrol station running their electrically operated pumps.

          No Coles or Woolies as they are shut, no power, no food, and even if the shopping complex has auxilliary power, there are no deliveries, (as per the previous paragraph) so when the shelves become empty, then that’s it.

          No work to go to, as there’s no power at workplaces, any of them.

          No TV as the stations have no power, and the transmitters require power also, as do the towers.

          No radio, as above.

          No phones, as there is no power to the towers.

          No ….. well, I think I’ve covered most things, but hey, I have power for my home. Now I just wonder how much food I can find when the fridge gets empty.

          Rooftop panels and batteries. Hmm! Not really all they’re cracked up to be eh!

          Tony.

          (and ozfred, this was not aimed specifically at you, but meant to make people think about the overall picture)

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            Ronin

            “And then, when the grid goes down, umm, humungous smile on face. I made a truly great decision. I have power to my home.”

            I was wondering how do you charge the battery, are you offgrid and the charge comes from the panels.

            There’s always the cold beer in the fridge to be pleased about, well for a few days anyways.

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              ozfred

              “I was wondering how do you charge the battery, are you offgrid and the charge comes from the panels.”
              The new (and required)inverters allow instant isolation of your system (panels, inverter and house A/C power). Keeps the line repair people from “finding unexpected voltages”. Allows you run LED lights and your stereo at night from the batteries. And the fridge and freezer in the daytime as the battery recharges.

              All out EMP or Carrington damage would create other problems, including to the panels. Please refer to any of a number of “prepper” sites to plan for those eventualities. Being 20 or 30 km from towns is a good start I think. 🙂

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            WXcycles

            You forgot, no cash, to even transact manually once more.

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            Geoff+Croker

            No maintenance on grid.

            Chance of bringing same back on line after one month?

            Six months…… zero.

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      Raving

      Maybe so for local repair. A global grid collapse blows transformers big time!

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        StephenP

        Who makes the replacement transformers, and can they do so if there a power outage?
        The same questions apply to solar panels, storage batteries, wind generators,inverters, steel, raw material processors etc.
        How keen will China be to help? The only mitigating factor might be that the Chinese economy does have a large component of income from exports.

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      Wet Mountains

      …storage capability. How would that work?

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        Simon

        e.g. a hydro storage lake

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          clarence.t

          Snowy 2, huge cost, relies on coal fired power for pumping.

          On top of that, it is only a minor electricity supply, only used when they can grab the highest prices.

          Tasmania.. the only place in Australia that can provide near full electricity supply for its local area, because they have the terrain and rainfall on the west coast.

          And the amount generated is a small fraction of requirements of the eastern states.

          A bit player at most in Australia.

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            Simon

            … but not overseas. The article is mostly focused on the US situation.

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              clarence.t

              Nowhere has enough storage to run a major city for more than a few minutes.

              Only one country in the world has the terrain and rain/snowfall to provide sufficient hydro to run the country.

              … everywhere else relies on fossil fuels and nuclear.

              In the US, hydro only supplies around 7% of electricity, and the actual amount produced hasn’t really increased since 1975

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              There are plenty of seas to fill with pumped water, easier than pump some brain in heads 😀

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          Grogery

          Simon says…

          e.g. a hydro storage lake

          One in every backyard?

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            clarence.t

            Perhaps he is thinking they could use Lake Eyre for a hydro scheme 😉

            Or perhaps he is lacking the physics to understand how hydro power actually works.

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              Graeme No.3

              A maximum of 15 metres drop, and an average of 6 metres. Not a major source of electricity I would think esp. as pumping water back uphill and back to the sea would take at least 25%.

              Salt water was used in a pumped storage scheme in Okinawa and I think in Germany near the Baltic coast. Both are shut down now, with the German one used as a beach resort. They were uneconomic as pumped storage requires 5 hours or more of steady, low cost electricity and output at a higher price ($40 per MWh in the case of Snowy 2). Once you allow for all the subsidies renewables are an expensive supply.

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                Murray Shaw

                No need to pump it back to the sea Graeme. Evaporation will take care of the water used, and the Ocean has a virtually unlimited supply.
                With a 20 metre+ head available, more than enough to generate, the lead distance with biggest problem.

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                Graeme No.3

                @ Murray Shaw:

                Where is the 20 metre drop? The maximum distance below sea level is 15 metres. And there are times when Lake Eyre is flooded, possibly next year if enough rain falls west of the Great Dividing Range.

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              Bruce

              And geography.

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          WXcycles

          I think you’d find the generators a fried.

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        Ronin

        AA’s, lots of ’em.

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      Graeme No.3

      Simon:
      The problem with that idea is that wind turbines and solar panels shut off when there is a blackout. If you are off-grid you might be better off, but every off grid set-up I’ve seen (or read about) has a fuel burning generator for those times when wind and solar aren’t working, so where and how will those ‘lucky ones’ get fuel?
      As for the article I think it a bit over the top, but at least it is possible unlike claims that a minor rise in the CO2 level would result in runaway global warming.

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        Simon

        I once did a review of stochastic optimisation in electricity generation markets, but that was a long time ago. The same principles still apply though, you will find that electricity companies have quants running simulation models with some recognition of low frequency but high consequence events.

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      TedM

      Simon you obviously know nothing about electricity generation, storage or distribution. Absolutely nothing.

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        Simon

        I once did a review of stochastic optimisation in electricity generation markets, but that was a long time ago. The same principles still apply though, you will find that electricity companies have quants running simulation models with some recognition of low frequency but high consequence events.

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          WXcycles

          When long-period DC EMP occurs it burns the conductors and insulators (this has been tested at the lab level, and in full-scale nuclear EMP testing). They literally catch on fire, melt, fall apart, develop shorts to ground, due high EMF pressure.

          i.e. the transmission lines all need to be replaced, as does the 240v AC cables in your home, and the power board, as the polythene insulation has melted off all of it, if not burned down the entire home.

          EMP creates a cascade of problems that are so complex and hard to undo that you basically have to replace everything and start again. Also, everything that still works, has been damaged, often becomes intermittent and prone to fail. Most things connected to a conductor or an antenna need replacement.

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      clarence.t

      You mean like the massive storage in coal or gas?.

      There is no other possible energy storage for modern day requirements.

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        clarence.t

        .. apart from the energy stored in nuclear bonds.

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        patrick healy

        Ah! Clarence,
        you are obviously not familiar with the whizzo solution of importing clear felled trees from the Southern Sates of America 3000 miles to Drax in Yorkshires to be burned in power stations sitting on top of a 600 year splay of coal.
        Shame on you!!!!

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      yarpos

      Wrong, because it will never get built and only exists in your mental cinema.

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      If you’re talking about renewables, what storage are you going to be using when there is no wind at night? Batteries are not up to the job, as you well know.

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    mundi

    I wouldn’t get your hopes up for this coming anytime soon. Even the big EU one they admit is never going to above unity. It is mostly a money pit to prove a concept which everyone involved knows will work anyway. It’s just going to be another LHC a good project for academia to slurp down decades of free money will pretending they are pushing humanity forward.

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    TdeF

    And with 80% of people living in cities, at least in Australia, a collapse of the food harvesting, delivery, refrigeration systems would mean millions would starve. Quickly. We have seen the problems with Wuhan Flu disruption of the food chain which will peak at the end of January. A lack of fuel alone (mostly imported) would also do that. We are even importing our own gas. Windmills are utterly useless.
    Even a lack of simple but essential CO2 is devastating to the food delivery chain as they found in the UK with the closure of the US owned fertilizer business.

    The inner city communist Greens and their ignorant acolytes are damaging democracies more than any external enemy but these are the same people who see humans as the problem. Except themselves. And if in Australia they want to copy the aboriginal lifestyle, they can start today. What have the British done for us? And the industrial revolution?

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      TdeF

      And I have not read in twenty years any credible science that essential CO2 is the slightest bit dangerous, that temperature changes are not natural or the humans have any effect at all on CO2 levels. As for metres of rising sea levels, melting glaciers, dying polar bears, failiing crops or climate caused migration, it’s all history. We can look back on 34 years of utterly failed predictions. There is no science in Climate Change. There never has been. And the Greens are still determined to shut down Loy Yang and Liddell and coal mining and farming.

      And left of centre governments in Australia, the UK and the US are pandering to extremists. Despite the history you are told, Hitler was not of the extreme right but a vegetarian racist Green druid of the extreme Socialist left, a Fascist in league with big business. His only fear was communist Stalin. History is repeating with the Greens, BLM and AntiFA and the media are on the side of the destruction of society. And do not forget the unbelievable deadly hatred for cities espoused by Pol Pot who was educated at the Sorbonne in Paris and holds the world record for destruction of his own people. The people who hate Democracy are not all overseas.

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        Graeme No.3

        TdeF:
        34 years? The current craze started in 1981 when assorted prophets changed from “the coming ice age” to “the heat death doom, real soon”.
        And others even earlier.
        1923 Montana Glacier could disappear in 25 years – Says Professor.
        1952 Montana’s Glacier Park may need new name – The giant glaciers are melting away and could be gone in 50 years
        2009 No more Glaciers in Montana by 2020?
        2010 Signs installed about glaciers being gone by 2020
        2014 No more Glaciers in Montana by 2034? — What will they call Glacier National Park (Montana) in 30 years when all the glaciers are gone?
        2019/20 Signs removed (all 29 of them)
        2021 All of the glaciers in Glacier National Park are expected to be gone by 2030,”

        1864 -The Ever-Receding Tipping Point 
        Eighteen-Sixty-Four Tipping Point Warns of “Climatic Excess”
        As early as 1864 George Perkins Marsh, sometimes said to be the father of American ecology, warned that the earth was ‘fast becoming an unfit home for its “noblest inhabitant,”’ and that unless men changed their ways it would be reduced ‘to such a condition of impoverished productiveness, of shattered surface, of climatic excess, as to threaten the depravation, barbarism, and perhaps even extinction of the species.’

        And on another matter which I think we can now say is unlikely.
        1901 Professor receives message from Mars. Scientist claims he can speak to the Martians.
        1911 Martians have built 2 new canals in very short time.
        1915 Scientists explain how the Martians built their canals.
        1920 Professor explains that Martians are clearly more advanced than us.
        1926, our top scientists had proof there is life on Mars, photographs show that the dark areas in Mars can only be explained by vegetation
        1928 Professor believes Martians are signalling Earth
        1940 Scientist – a new green oasis has been photographed on Mars
        1965 a noted astronomer said photographs from Mariner IV showed canals and oases
        1996 Scientists from NASA claim that life has existed on Mars

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      Ronin

      We will be seeing a touch of societal collapse which is on the way, with a shortage of truck drivers because it is a sh*t job, illness and isolation due to covid, running out of Adblue because we depended on the Chicomms for the major supply, etc.

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      WXcycles

      Most people in Australia today don’t even have the experience of how to manage a wood-fired BBQ, let alone have a steel hot plate.

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        yarpos

        Funny, 2 weekends ago I had to show a Kiwi mate how to drive his steel hotplate BBQ (gas) Just be circumstance he never learned and regards it as a black art. Now he can burn things with a degree of competence.

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    OriginalSteve

    “Hopefully adversaries of the USA haven’t been reading old reports by the US Dept of Cybersecurity, Energy Security, or Emergency Response. They might get ideas.”

    Id be pretty sure they already know

    That said, it appears there are those also within the US political system who would happily sell thier own country out, and then there is the CCP ownership of many who use drugs and lose laptops who are thier puppets.

    For the US to become resilient, it needs a wholescale cleanout of its political system to remove the current rot.

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      CriddleDog

      So do we.
      Never vote for a sitting member imho.

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        KP

        “Never vote for a sitting member imho.”

        Yes! That should be standard practice to stop them getting too cosy in the trough. Give them all one hit at making a difference and then make go and get a real job.

        CriddleDog we need a pressure group for this!

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        PeterS

        United we can defeat the tyrannical Labor, Liberals, Nationals and Greens at all levels of government. Do not vote for any of them. Send a clear message or else we all fall.

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          WXcycles

          Do not vote for any of them.

          I’ve said that for over 12 years, you’re just catching up. Now you just need to get over talking endless utter total [email protected] about their politics, and you’ll finally be fully cured.

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    Robber

    “The US will spend some $555b to prevent a theoretical warming of a degree or two.”
    Nothing the US does will change the world’s climate by more than 0.2C as it contributes less than 15% of CO2 emissions.

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    Harves

    US Govt spends billions determining if humans could live on Mars or in outer space .. but believes it’s impossible for civilisation to survive 2 degrees of warming on Earth. Go figure.

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    HOWARD LEE CHRISTAL

    “The US will spend some $555b to prevent a theoretical warming of a degree or two.”

    THAT STATEMENT IMPLIES THAT BY SPENDING $555B THE U.S. CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN PREVENTING THEORETICAL WARMING.

    THAT IS SIMPLY, AND DEMONSTRABLY, NOT CORRECT:

    OBAMA’S (AND NOW BIDEN’S) CLEAN POWER PLAN HAS NO CHANCE OF MATERIALLY AFFECTING OUR CLIMATE. THIS FACT IS CLEARLY RECOGNIZED BY OUR GOVERNMENT AND BURIED IN THE GOVERNMENT’S OWN REPORT, THEIR OWN NUMBERS INDICATE THAT THE CPP WILL COST OVER SIX TRILLION DOLLARS THROUGH THE YEAR 2100 AND WILL SAVE, AT BEST, 6/1000THS OF 1 DEGREE CELSIUS BY THE YEAR 2100!

    A COMPLIANT MEDIA, POLITICIANS AND A SMALL NUMBER OF INFLUENTIAL “CLIMATE SCIENTISTS” VESTED IN THE CONTINUATION OF THE GLOBAL WARMING SCARE ALLOW THIS DECEPTION TO CONTINUE.

    AT THAT RATE, IT WOULD COST $540 TRILLION (WITH A “T”) ($540,000,000,000,000) TO SAVE 1 DEGREE CELSIUS IN GLOBAL WARMING, ABOUT 245 YEARS’ WORTH OF OUR TOTAL 2020 FEDERAL INCOME TAX COLLECTIONS.

    [Rescued from the spam file. Sorry about the delay. Try to turn off the Caps lock, OK? – Jo]

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    Raving

    Reminds me very much of pandemic (disaster) planning

    The name of the game is to swell response capacity.

    Not very good at rapidly scaling up response

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    Neville

    AGAIN all the world’s govts are planning to tackle their so called “climate change” when everything is better for Humans than at anytime over the last 200K years.
    These delusional donkeys ignore the easily accessed data to prove that we are living in the very best of times and they now plan to waste endless trillions of $ for a GUARANTEED ZERO RETURN by 2050 or 2100.
    Even the WIKI con merchants provide a graph to show co2 emissions for all countries since 1970 that proves the sceptics are correct, but nobody seems to care.
    Meanwhile China, India + other developing countries’ co2 emissions have soared for decades, while the OECD countries’ combined emissions have stalled and are no higher today than 1970.
    Why can’t our so called scientists, MSM, pollies, journalists etc understand any of this available data? AGAIN here’s Eschenbach’s summary of the available DATA and he easily finds that there’s no CLIMATE EMERGENCY.
    Today we are witnessing the greatest fra-d and con trick of all time.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/04/25/wheres-the-emergency/

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    Pauly

    Did someone neglect to mention that, with no functioning electricity grid, it would be pretty difficult to charge EVs?

    Of course, the total collapse of the electricity grid due to a nuclear sky-burst ignores the real problems of instability caused by adding intermittent wind and solar to the grid, and the loss of grid inertia caused by forcing synchronous generators out of business.

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    Neville

    Again here are the WIKI graphs for all Human co2 emissions since 1970.
    Look at the combined USA and EU emissions since 1970.
    Then look at China, India and other developing countries’ etc emissions. And don’t forget that China, India + other dev countries intend to build more reliable fossil fuel power stns until at least 2060 or 2070.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions#/media/File:World_fossil_carbon_dioxide_emissions_six_top_countries_and_confederations.png

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    Neville

    Here’s that very long list from the delusional Malthusian doomsters over the last 50 years.
    They’ve been proven wrong for decades and yet the stupid religious fanatics still believe.

    https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/50-years-of-failed-doomsday-eco-pocalyptic-predictions-the-so-called-experts-are-0-50/

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    Phillip Sweeney

    The first “Climate Change” War?

    Events in Kazakhstan were sparked by a huge increase in the price for natural gas.

    When the choice is between “saving the planet” or freezing to death due to lack of fuel or electricity – most people will prioritise the second

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      Harves

      Yep, it’s hard to “think of the great grandchildren” when you are trying to keep your children alive.

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      KP

      “Events in Kazakhstan were sparked by a huge increase in the price for natural gas.”

      Sort of.. it went from 12c/L to 24c/L.. in the most sparely populated oil-rich country in that region.

      Would we be so lucky to see any energy at 24c/L, even petrol was only $1.10 when oil first hit $70/barrel, now its $1.80 with oil at $76/barrel!

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      James Murphy

      I think if you look into it, the cause was not (only) fuel prices, but more of a response to COVID edicts by the Kazakh government. People are fed up with the ridiculous rules.

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    John Hultquist

    The U. S. government (Democrats in charge) is more interested in minimizing their losses in the coming mid-term elections, while the opposition (Republicans) takes the view they can prevail.
    The Democrats are using the “Insurrection-that-wasn’t” to distract from their failure. The Republicans have their knickers in a twist trying to counter The-Donald’s meddlesomenness.
    Who among any of these folks would know a Carrington event from a surprise performance of Ravel’s Bolero in a shopping mall?
    Uff da!

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    robert rosicka

    A local supermarket has lost power I think now about 4 times in about 3 weeks resulting in a lot of food being thrown out , it’s always the same grid that is being tripped and every time if you check AEMO you find SA is struggling with power generation versus demand . Possibly a coincidence?

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      Ross+Holding

      That’s surprising RR. After the total blackout in SA a number of years ago I thought most supermarkets and businesses had installed their own generators. Simple advice for the owner of that supermarket – get a backup genny.

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        robert rosicka

        South Australia has third world energy generation reliability so no wonder they require generator back up at supermarkets, Victoriastan I suppose must embrace the same fate .

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          Ross+Holding

          Weird, just went to a local Coles supermarket on the Bellarine peninsula in Victoria. Coles are one of the supermarkets chains who are promoting their stores going to C Zero. Out the back hidden in a shipping container there was a generator running and cable running into back of store. Cabling all hidden under those safety guards. What a bunch of hypocrites!!

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        James Murphy

        I think it would depend on the individual shops. some smaller supermarkets probably don’t have the space to install anything big enough to keep freezers running.

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          WXcycles

          They just bring in a containerised turbine generator on a tilting truck bed, and plonk it either in the delivery driveway, or the staff’s car parking area out the back, and run a cable into the store’s 3 phase. A single container can power an entire urban supermarket and all its systems. Seen it done a few times. Situation normal after cyclones.

          But with EMP none of it will work anymore, as the systems in the supermarket will all be burned out and shorted.

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    Neville

    We should never forget that this entire fuss is over an increase of about 140 ppm of co2 in the air that we breath or about 0.014% increase since 1800.
    And today Dr Hansen and Bill McKibben ( 350.org) tell us that everything will be fine if we just reduce co2 levels back to 350 ppm.
    Perhaps they should look at the WIKI co2 emissions graph since 1970 (then 325 ppm) or 1990 ( then 354 ppm) and explain it all to us?

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      Neville

      Sorry above should be breathe not breath.

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      Simon

      and (415-283)/283 is a 47% increase in CO2 concentration since 1800.

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        Ronin

        “and (415-283)/283 is a 47% increase in CO2 concentration since 1800.”

        And yet the sky hasn’t fallen and the planet continues to green.

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          WXcycles

          We’re down to just 7 years before total collapse of civilisation. – Princess Charles (philandering useless dumb ass)

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        Ronin

        A bit like saying Tesla sales in Dubbo increased by 100% when dealer sells second car.

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        clarence.t

        “47% increase in CO2 concentration since 1800”

        Absolutely great news, isn’t it.

        The world was so close to plant subsistence level.

        Anyone that luvs the environment, plants, animals, and life in general,..

        …. should be cheering like mad for more.

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        David Maddison

        and (415-283)/283 is a 47% increase in CO2 concentration since 1800.

        That’s excellent news!

        They way things were going CO2 was dropping to dangerously low levels.

        Plant life starts dying below 200ppm CO2 but is even struggling at 280ppm.

        Fortunately at current levels plant life is thriving and feeding more people than ever before.

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        James Murphy

        1800 – an arbitrary year to use as a starting point, but easy for useful idiots to remember, I guess.
        Much easier than taking the time to learn something about the geological history of this planet.

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        Excellent news. An increase in CO2 is always great news.

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    Mark Allinson

    The US will spend some $555b to prevent a theoretical warming of a degree or two.

    Yes, that is the rationale, as absurd as it is, but it is NOT the REASON it is being done.

    The CAGW argument is so thin and flimsy that its proponents will, for instance, NEVER agree to a public debate with real scientists.

    They know they would be destroyed within minutes.

    The rationale of “stopping temperature rise” is not the reason.

    The CAGW theory is just a shop-front behind which lies the whirring machinery of a political philosophy designed to deconstruct Western civilization.

    The Biden administration wants to “limit temperature rise” for the same reason it wants to open the US border, gift the Taliban $80 billion in armaments , inject the entire nation with a dubious “vaccine” and restrict the oil industry.

    Securing the grid to protect the nation is only something that nationalists would want to do – internationalist/Globalists on the other hand want to pull the nation down, and the rationale of CAGW is a tool in this endeavour.

    To not recognise this true intention behind the facade of “the science” and attack the decoy “science” as being a viable but essentially wrong approach, is in a real sense giving comfort and aid to their mission.

    We need to expose the true political intent behind the rationale of the nation-deconstructing idiotic pseudo-science, and not engage with that pseudo-science to show where it has got it all wrong.

    These folks want to collapse our system, and if we continue to focus on showing where their politically-driven CAGW decoy model is wrong, they will win.

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      OriginalSteve

      The USA invented the Star Wars program in the 1980s to bankrupt the Russians. It was never about the arms.

      Climate Change is the same…bankrupting countries to fight a shadow….

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    Neville

    I still think that “The Great Global Warming Swindle” holds up very well after ten or more years.
    Certainly the Human data has improved over the last decade + the world has been Greening. Yet the Malthusian extremists still insist we are facing an imminent EXISTENTIAL THREAT.
    And the Biden donkey still thinks we can “feel it in our bones”?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNpgf_U6L5I

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      Ronin

      “And the Biden donkey still thinks we can “feel it in our bones”?”

      The only thing that clown can feel in his bones is arthritis.

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    David Maddison

    Even if the world were actually warming, when has there been a period of natural warming during history when warming has been harmful?

    I always challenge Leftists on such a question and they have never once been able to tell me of a negative consequence of a natural warm period.

    Humans love warmth, that’s why they go to such lengths seeking it.

    Civilisation thrived during that natural warming of the Minoan, Egyptian, Roman and Medieval Warm periods.

    On the other hand there is always famine, war and disease during periods of natural cooling.

    The Chinese are particularly aware of the dangers of global cooling to their civilisation which is why they don’t care about warming. They have always suffered famine, war and disease during episodes of natural global cooling. Someone published a graph showing that and I have posted a link before but I can’t find it now.

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    Tel

    I know a guy who installs generators and he was telling me that he has been really busy the last 12 months and no sign of a slowdown yet.

    These would be in the 20kW to 50kW type range.

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      Ronin

      Sounds like small business is wising up and doing it for themselves.

      Did anyone read about the pub licencee in Blackall, who was fed up with extortionate pricing and unreliability of the grid and after going cap in hand to Ergon to no avail, decided on installing a 60Kva genset behind the pub.

      Ergon immediately offered him a lower rate which he took up, so only runs the gen during peak pricing.

      The day the gen was connected, the towns power went out for several hours, half the town were having a beer and a meal in his pub, so it paid for itself on day one.

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    Ronin

    “A solar Carrington event, one nuclear blast, or a cyber attack taking out just nine interconnector sites could collapse the entire US grid for 18 months.”

    Didn’t mention an asteroid, or more importantly, a fragmented asteroid.

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      yarpos

      In a country like the US with readily available heavy calibre weaponry, you have to wonder why these weak points have not already been exploited. The same could be said of every commercial jet take off now that a veneer of security exists around airports.

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    Old Goat

    Once again Jo is shining a light on the elephant in the room . We are totally dependant on fossil fuels and the power grid and our political and educational class are promoting the downfall of both . I am seriously comtemplating an off grid system even though its not economically justified . It’s sad that “prepping” has become relevant when we have achieved so much as a species…

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      yarpos

      With hindsight it seems that we have slowly been moving down the prepping path. Quite a few incremental decisions all improving self sufficiency. Mostly directed at short/medium term disaster possibilities.

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    David Maddison

    Where did the idea come from that global warming, assuming it were real, was a bad thing?

    Surely, the emergence of civilisation over the last 10,000 years since the end of the last glacial period is evidence that warming is a good thing?

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      Hanrahan

      No one likes the heat, that’s why they go to Finland for their hols. 🙂

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        yarpos

        I sure dont. If summer was 25C max that would be fine by me.

        And yes i like places like Scandinavia, Scotland, Ireland, Tassie and South Island NZ for holidays.

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    Neville

    Here’s a very interesting discussion between 3 intelligent people and they are very optimistic about the future.
    Matt Ridley is the moderator and I must admit they certainly stretched my brain and made me think outside my little box a bit more.
    The idea that we are and will produce more from less is hard to grasp, but Ridley has claimed this before and we’ll just have to wait and test the results.
    Certainly farmers + their workers in wealthy countries are a very small percentage of the workforce today and global tonnages are much higher today and ditto for per capita calories that are also much higher.
    You can watch the video for 1 hour or read the transcript at the link.This was in 2020 or early stages of CV-19.

    https://www.humanprogress.org/ten-global-trends-discussion-with-matt-ridley/

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    Philip

    I wonder what 1 degree of warming (globla average) would do, what damage ?

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      RobB

      Its already happened, so you know!

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        Philip

        exactly. Another one ? Same thing Id suggest. And to the point of significant change, the ecosystem just adjusts. So, so what ? People simply assume an increase in temp is a bad thing, I doubt it would be at all, in fact Id say its an advantage

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    James Murphy

    I’m curious, what defence, if any, is there against a Carrington type event? Damage to satellites notwithstanding, can any size of electricity grid be kept running, somehow?

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      Construction of faraday cages around computers, phones etc will prevent damage from an EMP. eg. wrapping your phone in al foil creates a faraday cage.

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        James Murphy

        Sure, these do the job, but a computer and phone wont be very useful without an electricity grid.

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      Ronin

      I’m wondering what the effects of a Carrington Event would be on solar panels and their inverters, if in the future we are reliant on this cr*p technology, we are sitting ducks.

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    Mike Smith

    Great article.

    I’m not worried about Net Zero Carbon.

    I AM worried about Net Zero Electricity!

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    robert rosicka

    Ever seen motorists trapped in their cars and dying because of globull warming ? Neither have I .

    https://www.accuweather.com/en/winter-weather/thousands-of-vehicles-stranded-at-least-20-dead-amid-pakistan-snowstorm/1122454

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    TedM

    And there may be bumper crops waiting to be harvested, but if there is no fuel for the harvesters what then.

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      Philip

      I know the answer to that one. Starvation.

      People never talk about agriculture and the reliance of today’s massive population on diesel to eat. All they talk about is cars and charge times and range. Completely irrelevant. If agriculture runs out of diesel, you starve.

      Which is one reason why I actually support EVs for city dwellers (kind of), to reserve the oil resource for agriculture, because I just dont see an alternative, diesel is like magic.

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    William Astley

    The EMP from a high burst nuclear blast destroys the semiconductor microprocessors which now are used in almost all devices, including cell phones, severs, computers, and all modern vehicles.

    This problem has discussed about 20 years ago. If I remember correctly the problem is the very small spacing in modern semiconductor devices. All of the vehicles and airplanes and so would no longer work.

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