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Hello Conflict: Alphabet owns Youtube, Google and 12% of company that makes AstraZeneca Vax

Google and Youtube are to some extent the Police of our National Conversations. Somehow they are allowed to invest privately and simultaneously put people in jail according to rules they made up themselves. What could possibly go wrong?

Senator Malcolm Roberts asking some very good questions: 

Consider the ownership of vaccine makers. Alphabet owns YouTube and Google. Alphabet owns 12 per cent of Vaccitech, which created the AstraZeneca vaccine. YouTube bans videos mentioning ivermectin as a COVID treatment. Aren’t these conflicts of interest? If ivermectin was approved for COVID, what would happen to big pharma’s hundreds of billions of dollars in profits? These profits are a transfer of wealth from taxpayers to big pharma.

New business model? What if one hot drug created a market for other drugs:

Consider the vaccine maker Pfizer’s profits. It’s second quarter 2021 revenue was $19 billion, up 89 per cent. In three months, it made $4 billion profit. The European Medicines Agency discovered a definite link between Pfizer’s vaccine causing myocarditis. In September 2020, our TGA approved Pfizer’s Vyndamax drug to treat myocarditis. Our health department confirmed the AstraZeneca vaccine’s links with blood clots. Pfizer’s Eliquis drug treats blood clotting. Last quarter its sales were up 13 per cent. So are those blood clots rare? Really? In 2019 Pfizer’s Zavicefta drug was approved to ICU patients on ventilators. Is Pfizer making profits making people sick and more profit treating the sickness it caused?

Alphabet, Google’s parent company, is a tech giant with a $1.4 trillion market cap, making it the 5th most valuable company by market cap in the world.

What if public policy was controlled by people who are afraid of being put in the naughty corner by Google and Youtube?

Malcolm Roberts and Craig Kelly are fighting the good fight in Australia in Parliament. In the next election they are going to need all the help they can get. 

h/t David B and a few others (I’m trying to find their names).

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256 comments to Hello Conflict: Alphabet owns Youtube, Google and 12% of company that makes AstraZeneca Vax

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    Craig

    As a drug rep for a drug company…I’m going to say that you wouldn’t be far off the mark.

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      OriginalSteve

      Hers something of a lightning bolt…

      Vaccinated healthcare works with 250x higher viral loads? It appears the “mystery sources” are right dab smack in the middle of the community…..

      https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3897733

      “Transmission of SARS-CoV-2 Delta Variant Among Vaccinated Healthcare Workers, Vietnam

      ” 23 complete-genome sequences were obtained. They all belonged to the Delta variant, and were phylogenetically distinct from the contemporary Delta variant sequences obtained from community transmission cases, suggestive of ongoing transmission between the workers. Viral loads of breakthrough Delta variant infection cases were 251 times higher than those of cases infected with old strains detected between March-April 2020″

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        David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

        Thanks OS,
        My initial response is unprintable.
        WOW, amazingly horrible is the best I can do.
        I wonder how long this has been known?
        Is anyone in Australia even looking at this?

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          shannon

          Yes ..was always suspect of increased positive cases mirroring, increase in “jab” numbers….no surprise at all !!

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            OriginalSteve

            Well, ever wondered where the State Premiers who bang on about “mystery cases”?

            So rpesumably after a while do we have a feed forward situation whereby the system eventually becomes horrifically unstable and crashes

            So…………..what happens to food distribution when all your truckies and store managers and front line workers go down?

            Supermarkets rely on a free flowing load of supplies via truck.

            The well is being slowly poisioned. You can see how insidious this might become.

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        Tilba Tilba

        … suggestive of ongoing transmission between the workers. Viral loads of breakthrough Delta variant infection cases were 251 times higher than those of cases infected with old strains detected between March-April 2020

        What is this telling us? Perhaps that health workers are always going to be subject to higher viral load – not unreasonable. That the vaccines are less effective against the Delta Variant … but other studies in the West aren’t showing that.

        What is more critical, is whether the number of vaccinated – subject to the same exposure as the unvaccinated – are (a) doing better in not catching it all, or (b) if they do catch it that have milder symptoms, and less hospitalisation.

        In other words – the study on its face isn’t an argument again vaccinations, but I concede it might mean that the Delta Variant leads to more breakthrough cases than other strains.

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    Travis T. Jones

    How is that double vaxxed passport rewards working out for you?

    AustGov: COVID-19 Vaccines Information Sheet – Vaccination Rewards
    Did you know that Australian organisations can offer rewards to fully vaccinated Australians?

    https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2021/07/covid-19-vaccination-business-kit-information-sheet-vaccination-rewards.pdf

    Whoa! Wait. What?

    EXCERPT: “Israel will then reconfigure its Green Passports, granting them only to the triple-vaccinated, and limiting their validity to six months.”

    Ultra-Vaxxed Israel’s Crisis Is a Dire Warning to America

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/ultra-vaccinated-israels-debacle-is-a-dire-warning-to-america

    >> I’ll have the ivermectin, thanks …

    The unmistakable ivermectin miracle in the Indian state of Uttar Pradesh

    “The answer likely lies in the 10-letter “I-word” that you are not allowed to mention on social media: ivermectin.

    Evidently, the global medical junta doesn’t like the over 60 studies vouching for the efficacy of ivermectin against SARS-CoV-2, especially when used early, but there is something better than a study: pure reality of lived experience.

    https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-the-unmistakable-ivermectin-miracle-in-the-indian-state-of-uttar-pradesh

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      Greg Cavanagh

      Regarding the first link:

      I see they gave themselves an out. Point number two. The offer must contain a statement to the effect that the vaccination must be undertaken on the advice of a health practitioner. I’ll bet very few meet this requirement.

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      Travis

      Don’t shoot the messenger but yesterday the FDA approved Pfizer so it is no longer an ‘experimental’ vaccine whilst at the same time telling people they are not horses or cows and should not take ivermectin

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        Analitik

        Too bad they approved it without a control group beyond the initial short testing period, since they then vaccinated most of those who had been given the placebo shot.

        Those who complain about lack of “proper” RCTs for ivermectin, Hydroxychloroquine, etc need to think about this.

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        Steve of Cornubia

        They think that a retrospectively-applied rubber stamp, signifying nothing more than further evidence of the FDA’s corruption, will make a difference? We can now be 100% confident that these people think we’re thick.

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        Furiously Curious

        Someone put this up yesterday.

        “Follow the Commissioners…

        Scott Gottlieb – Former Commissioner of the FDA resigns and then goes to Pfizer to be on the board of directors.

        Stephen Hahn – Replaces Gottlieb as FDA Commissioner and eventually resigns. He is now the Chief Medical Officer for Moderna.

        Janet Woodcock – Wrongly advises Rick Bright (a fully-controlled individual ?!) that HCQ is a dangerous drug requiring EUA, (emergency use authorisation) that should be ONLY limited to hospitalized patients. Remember, all of the relevant clinical data at the time showed HCQ to be extremely effective in early treatment, and NOT in hospitalized patients. Several months later Janet Woodcock replaces Stephen Hahn as the Commissioner of the FDA.

        Is this all making sense yet?”

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        Travis T. Jones

        Yes.
        FDA approved a two jab regime.

        If you decide to get a third jab and subsequent 6 monthly jabs, are you the one denying the FDA?

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        Yonason

        The fine print …

        Does it really immediately now have Full Approval?

        Interesting (from FDA)…

        “You (Pfizer/BioNTech) may not distribute any lots of product until you receive a notification of release from the Director, Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research (CBER).”

        From here (dated August 23)…
        https://www.fda.gov/media/151710/download

        Correct me if I’m mistaken, but it doesn’t sound like an approval of what’s already out there, just what they are going to make.

        Also, in the same document we read that the future approval is for…
        “Under this license, you are authorized to manufacture the product, COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA, which is indicated for active immunization to prevent coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19)…”

        But we know that the shot does NOT prevent the disease, as so many reinfections of treated individuals clearly shows.

        I guess by the time this meanders through the courts, the details won’t matter?

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        ando

        Not fully approved. Merely status quo extended. Media beatup.

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      OldOzzie

      Whoa! Wait. What?

      EXCERPT: “Israel will then reconfigure its Green Passports, granting them only to the triple-vaccinated, and limiting their validity to six months.”

      Ultra-Vaxxed Israel’s Crisis Is a Dire Warning to America

      https://www.thedailybeast.com/ultra-vaccinated-israels-debacle-is-a-dire-warning-to-america

      >> I’ll have the ivermectin, thanks …

      That Article should be sent to All MPs and Contact your PM and Contact Your Premier Gladys NSW

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          OldOzzie

          Interesting did not notice – Annie in Firefox click on right hand 3 – then on drop down menu click add ons and themes

          in find more add ons – search Bypass Paywalls

          add as an extension

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            OldOzzie

            Oops doesn’t work in Firefox for this url (but other sites do) – does in Chrome – too hard to explain

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              Yonason

              Not so hard. A lot of stuff doesn’t seem to work in 🔥🦊

              Well, maybe that depends on what “a lot” means, but for me those that don’t work make it a nuisance.

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              cadger

              Let the article load then hit the refresh button.
              Once the article starts to reload, quickly click on the X that that replaced refresh button.

              The paywall loads last, cut it off at the pass.

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    Peter Fitzroy

    Easy to attack a company like alphabet- any search will show you that it is investing in everything,

    According to “the Verge” Alphbet are investing in Nuclear Power, guess that means we can not trust google on that topic either,

    Note – Alphabet is on of the biggest polluters on the planet, and by using google to search for the verge article i have contributed to that

    /most of the pollution is from its data centres, and the power required to run them

    By the way you have not drawn the link between Google and its parent (who owns the investment in AZ), no smoking gun if you like

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      GlenM

      A conflict of interest whereby the stymieing of alternatives is the game. I can’t understand why people contort reason in order for it to fit their ideology- then again I do. The terms disinformation and misinformation are used in this Orwellianspeak by the ” establishment “only to find it thrown back in their faces.

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      I don’t trust Google not only for that but for all topics, imagine… 😀
      Btw, most of your posts could be cosidered as pollution too 😀

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      David Maddison

      Peter, CO2 from fossil fuel power used in data centres is not “pollution”. And don’t they claim to use “green” energy in any case?

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        Peter Fitzroy

        not pollution? what is it then?

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          clarence.t

          Its a gaseous molecule that allows humans to exist because it provides for all food on the planet..

          … even you are totally dependent on it for survival, PF.

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        Peter Fitzroy

        you are forgetting the number of components, mostly hard drives, which are discarded each day.

        if CO2 is not pollution, what is it

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          clarence.t

          “if CO2 is not pollution, what is it”

          An absolutely essential plant food molecule.

          Time to learn that fact, PF !

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          David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

          ” if CO2 is not pollution, what is it.”
          Try also:
          A colourless, odourless, stable gas, which dissolves in water and obeys Henry’s Law, which has all been said to you several times over the past couple of years.

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          Kalm Keith

          I see you take pleasure in believing in something and being part of the group; I know it’s reassuring.

          When you don’t understand what you’re believing but trust “The Group” implicitly even though they are wrong; yes, that’s sort of like Stockholm Syndrome.

          Congrats PF, you are now the ambassador for Stockholm on the North Coast.

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        Peter Fitzroy

        you are forgetting the number of components, mostly hard drives, which are discarded each day.

        if CO2 is not pollution, what is it

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          Yonason

          Plant food.

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          ando

          Pollution…are you insane? How about pre-requisite for all life on earth.

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          clarence.t

          “if CO2 is not pollution, what is it”

          You are making a mockery of yourself PF. (is that even possible ?)

          Come back to reality. !

          CO2 is a totally essential molecule for life on this planet.

          It is currently at fairly low atmospheric levels.

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          Peter Fitzroy

          how much CO2 is required? What contribution is coal providing?

          Why has this been missed by the world’s scientists

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            remember my sage advice regarding this individual?

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              Peter Fitzroy

              yeah, thanks Gee Aye, I forgot

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                Tilting at the same windmill as you did 2 years ago is a sure sign of madness.

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                clarence.t

                Both GA and PF suffer deeply from brain-washed madness..

                … and a total incapacity to face the real world and real science.

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                clarence.t

                Following memes that you know you cannot produce any scientific basis for..

                … that is a sign of madness, or is it just plain ignorance ?

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                Kalm Keith

                Clarence, at least gee aye is getting paid well for his being a follower of the great CO2 religion.

                PF gets to talk to the Koalas while he dreams of the big bright green future.

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                clarence.t

                What GA is saying to PF is that he should ST*U until he has something he can actually comment with.

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            clarence.t

            Nonsense questions from PF..

            More CO2 is needed.. Coal provides an increase in the carbon cycle, hence life.

            CO2, the more the better…. aCO2 of 700ppm+ would be highly desirable

            All you can do is tilt at windmills, because you have nothing to back up your mindless comments.

            “Why has this been missed by the world’s scientists”

            Every real scientist knows that CO2 provides for all life on Earth.

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      Ian

      “Alphabet owns 12 per cent of Vaccitech, which created the AstraZeneca vaccine.”

      Oxford University pledged AstraZeneca would be sold on a not for profit basis until the pandemic is over The company so far has received about $275 million in revenue which the company sellsthe vaccine for about $4 to $6 per dose. This is hardly extortion

      https://endpts.com/astrazenecas-non-profit-vaccine-is-for-now-costing-them-money/

      Although 68 million doses were distributed directly by AstraZeneca, the company’s vaccine has already had a larger impact, with its partners around the globe distributing 300 million doses, Soriot said. That includes the 48 million doses that India’s Serum Institute delivered to the COVAX initiative for lper dose is hardly extortion ow- and middle-income countries — virtually the entire supply of Covid-19 vaccine the initiative has received thus far.

      The new disclosures also make clear just how much AstraZeneca has foregone in electing to sell their vaccine on a non-profit basis. Moderna and Pfizer, by contrast, believe they will make $18.4 billion and $15 billion this year through their Covid-19 vaccines, despite plans to produce fewer overall doses.

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        Salome

        Indeed. It is my understanding that, unlike Pfizer ($90 per dose) AZ is not being sold on a profit-making basis. And yet the lefties who love to complain about ScoMo’s ‘slow’ rollout of vaccines and talk up the dangers of AZ, would prefer to fill the profits of Pfizer and any other for-profit vaccine vendor who gains approval.

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      Mantaray

      I like the cut of your jib Peter; abloke not afraid to buck the crowd of nay-sayers denigrating fine companies, and decent politicians….

      You will certainly be able to help with the following question…

      Now that Pfizer’s excellent vaccine has FULL approval, all indemnity from liability is lifted in OZ….and in the US?

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    Simon

    Ivermectin is not a miracle drug that will save us all. Our best hope is that as many people get vaccinated as possible. Unfortunately, Delta has changed the game, booster shots are going to be necessary.

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      RightOverLabour

      Did you read the link showing the Indian results? The journal of therapeutics disagrees. As do results from South Africa and South America, notably all places not controlled by USA propaganda…. I’d rather overdose on Ivermectin in Horse paste than submit myself to an untested, experimental mRNA injection that has close to 35,000 deaths already…. but it’s a free world and you are quite entitled to be experimented on by people who always put profit before ethics….. https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/fulltext/2021/08000/ivermectin_for_prevention_and_treatment_of.7.aspx

      “Conclusions:
      Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally.”

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      The usual Sipmple Simon, no clue of anything but a mouth wide open as a barn door.
      Learn to read scientific paper, learn to understand if you read a scientific text, and provide a proof if you have that Ivermectin that may save lives doesn’t work. To save lives, don’t “vacc” you with the four actual gen therapeutics and wait for a real vaccine coming in 4th quarter – could be healthier.

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        Ian

        “Learn to read scientific paper, learn to understand if you read a scientific text, and provide a proof if you have that Ivermectin that may save lives doesn’t work.”

        I’ve been reading scientific journals for many years and am quite conversant with both how to read scientific papers andhow to interpret their findingsA.

        A recent article in the BMJ which discussed the pros and cons of Ivermectin giving appropriate supporting references concluded

        “research related to ivermectin in COVID-19 has serious methodological limitations resulting in very low certainty of the evidence, and continues to grow.37–39 The use of ivermectin, among others repurposed drugs for prophylaxis or treatment for COVID-19, should be done based on trustable evidence, without conflicts of interest, with proven safety and efficacy in patient-consented, ethically approved, randomised clinical trials.”

        The article is available at

        https://ebm.bmj.com/content/early/2021/05/26/bmjebm-2021-111678

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      Btw, Simple Simon, you know, that the Delta variant started in India, did you follow the role, Ivermectin played in India to decrease theee infections within weeks ? Certainely not, else you woudn’t spread your BS. Guys like you, ok, the rest stay in my head, will notg be banned for insults or so.

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      Travis T. Jones

      Ivermectin may not be the miracle drug, but, it sure beats being forced into home isolation, then being told to do anything until you can’t breathe, like we do here in Australia …

      Young woman dies with Covid-19 in western Sydney

      “The youngest woman to die in NSW after contracting Covid-19 has been identified, as her husband battles the virus.

      It is not yet known if the woman had any underlying health conditions or whether or not she was vaccinated against Covid-19.”

      https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/news/young-woman-dies-with-covid19-in-western-sydney/news-story/07dcdddee5151b4fb336b72ac28497b6

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        Travis T. Jones

        oops. typo: “then being told not to do anything until …”

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        Annie

        The earlier reports ommitted to mention vaccine status; usually there is a triumphant trumpeting if it is ‘unvaccinated’, so I assume no comment means the someone who died was vaccinated.

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      Analitik

      You must have investments in these vaccine manufacturers yourself if you think vaccination with continual boosters are the solution. Especially when there is no long term data for safety and efficacy.

      Plus an arms race with a virus using leaky vaccines is futile and will ultimately lead to dangerous mutations.

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      el gordo

      ‘Delta has changed the game, booster shots are going to be necessary.’

      Copy that.

      ‘A quarter of Los Angeles residents who caught COVID from May through July this year as the Delta variant surged were fully vaccinated.

      ‘The data, published in the US Centres for Disease Control and Prevention’s weekly report on death and disease, shows an increase in “breakthrough” infections among those who had both doses of a coronavirus vaccine.’ (SMH)

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        GlenM

        Waiting for an “On the Beach” type scenario. I hope it doesn’t come to that.

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        Mantaray

        Hmmm. I’d like to know something more about the “trail’ left behind by an individual delta-positive case or two, to get an idea of just how contagious/infectious delta is.

        Example: Qld health traced over 900 contacts for the delta-positive Brisbane woman who went to Townsville FOR NO TRANSMISSIONS. Then a month later traced a Cairns delta-positive cabbie with several hundred contacts…also FOR NO TRANSMISSIONS.

        Where..and HOW are NSW health’s alleged SARS-CoV2 positives being spread? Or is the NSW SARS-CoV2 “another” new strain? the Gladys maybe? Invented by her and the lovely Kerry?

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      David Maddison

      If Delta is more infectious but less lethal it is thus following the standard evolutionary path of such pathogens.

      It is surely a good thing to give as many people as possible a low level of infection and recovery so as to boost their natural immunity. Obviously the truly vulnerable should also be protected with prophylaxis protocols such as from the FLCCC Alliance plus possible separation until the pandemic subsides in a few months.

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        Philip

        I took a screen shot of that to see how it plays in a few months.

        My first thought on covid was it will die away like they all do. But I’ve been wrong so far.

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      Konrad

      Ivermectin has been a huge success in the nations and states using it.

      In contrast, the expensive quackzines have been a disaster. Already we are seeing higher case mortality rates in the “fully vaccinated” when they get infected with Delta than for the unvaccinated. They might have been useful against Alpha but they are rapidly failing.

      And no, “booster shots” won’t save the quackzines. We can see what is happening in Israel. At the moment, they are just giving third shots of the same quackzine. And it’s not working.

      So what about booster shots adjusted for new variants? Well, you would always be behind the curve, because it is the use of non-sterilizing quackzines that is driving the evolution of new strains. Second, ADE cuts both ways. Just as new strains can make the “fully vaccinated” sicker than the unvaccinated, so to can boosters against the new strains.

      Anti-viral drug triple therapy is our only way out now. The quackzines are just making the problem worse.

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      mal

      Read The Reference Frame by Lubos Motl on Vaccines and their efficacy

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      ando

      Save us all? Alarmist nonsense. Have you even looked at the survival rates?

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        Konrad

        “The conversation” long ago made it policy to ban comment from the scientifically literate AGW sceptics, despite the conjecture that adding radiative gases to our radiatively cooled atmosphere would reduce its radiative cooling ability being pseudo scientific drivel.

        What on earth makes you think that “the conversation” is a trustworthy source of anything?!

        When was the last time “the conversation” allowed conversation on such issues as: did the focus on respiratory transmission pathway derail investigation into disease Enhancement via the gastrointestinal pathway for the Fauci Flu?

        That would be like never.

        That site is not just an intellectual backwater. It is a swelling boil on the arse of humanity, burgeoning with the hot rancid puss of groupthink.

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        Serp

        I am on the mailing list for that mob Simon so that I am kept aware of their evil machinations without having to visit the site and be immersed in its wall to wall wishful thinking; with any luck some of the views expressed here will eventually gain traction and inoculate you against the lies peddled there.

        Faint hope I guess when one reviews the comprehensive rebuttals the like of you and Peter Fitzroy generate with almost every post but if you keep coming back here I’m confident that Jo will convert you to a less irrational world view.

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        clarence.t

        The Con and Simon-the-gullible falls for it every time !

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        Konrad

        Oh come on!?

        Censored for writing that “the conversation” was “a festering boil on the [a—] of humanity, burgeoning with the hot rancid puss of groupthink”?

        I got “burgening” and “rancid” into a sentence!

        I didn’t even spell the “A” word the American way! I made an effort!!

        Seriously, with lockdown and personal financial destruction, posting comments online in the venacular with a slightly magenta tincture beats calling lifeline or wasting r34 gas on locking up Polair for giggles.

        Jo, I jest, but have a care. Notice who are getting it right on the Fauci Flu:

        The hard AGW sceptics. The hard science and engineering crew.

        We called it all the way down the line: we called human to human transmission before the WHO would. We called Wuhan lab accident in Feb 2020 based on the polybasic cleavage sites in the RNA sequence. We called shutting the borders because the old SARS-1 testing wouldn’t work. We called gastrointestinal vector a year before our government thought to test sewerage. We caught the “Surgisphere” fraud while our government was still relying on those fradulent papers.

        Are we wrong on ADE? Wrong on why anti-viral rotating triple drug therapy can win? Wrong on why spike protein was exactly the wrong thing to artificially replicate?

        It’s a slow motion trainwreck for the hard AGW sceptics. Read Lubos’ thread Lance posts a link to. We can see. And we can do little to stop the train wreak. It is very hard to keep language civil in this maelstrom of madness …

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        That proves only one thing, the “vaccs” lose their protection level in a strong way after six month latest, so it’s not recommanded to trust these “vaxx” you always praise without any reason.

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        There’s a parody site called Pox, which would write headlines almost like that one from The Conversation.

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      l disagree with you Simon

      and so does India, apparently

      “India could be the first country to sue a WHO scientist for advising against Ivermectin against Covid-19. The Indian Bar Association has initiated proceedings.
      JUNE 27, 2021, 7:23 AMHAKIM ARIF

      (GOOGLE Translation)
      Dr Soumya Swaminathan. A great trial for murderous disinformation?
      DR SOUMYA SWAMINATHAN. A GREAT TRIAL FOR MURDEROUS DISINFORMATION?
      On May 25, the Indian Bar Association (IBA) filed a lawsuit against Dr Soumya Swaminathan, WHO Chief Scientist, accusing her of causing the deaths of Indian citizens by deceiving them about the ivermectin.
      The WHO scientist is accused of making a misleading tweet on May 10, 2021 against the use of ivermectin which resulted in the state of Tamil Nadu removing ivermectin from the protocol the following day. She had just declared this treatment effective against Covid-19.

      If Dr Soumya Swaminathan is found guilty, then she could be sentenced to death or life imprisonment.The WHO scientist is accused of making a misleading tweet on May 10, 2021 against the use of ivermectin which resulted in the state of Tamil Nadu removing ivermectin from the protocol the following day. She had just declared this treatment effective against Covid-19.

      If Dr Soumya Swaminathan is found guilty, then she could be sentenced to death or life imprisonment.”

      https://thefallingdarkness.com/ivermectin-who-scientist-faces-death-penalty/

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    PeterS

    Often it takes someone from outside to give us the true perspective of what sort of life we are experiencing where our governments and other officials are almost always spewing out lies as though it’s the norm and most people react as though it doesn’t matter. BIG MISTAKE. Australia is a perfect example of how a police state can come about in the West. Whether we get there or not depends on how many people are asleep or not. It’s impossible to know the proportion of us who are asleep in Australia. I would guess it’s at least roughly half. I tend to think it’s the vast majority. Regardless, it only takes I think some 10% to be awake to spark a strong enough resistance to the growing authoritarian movement clearly being displayed by our officialdom on a daily basis. So, in that respect I still have a little hope we can turn back the tide of tyranny that’s clearly coming in at the moment. The problem I see though is the tide is still coming in and those who are awake are not doing much about it to stop it. Apathy is a common reason, Being busy with work or other duties is another. It’s understandable, and the evil elite are taking advantage of that. That’s why I don’t really hold much hope we can stop them. I hope I’m wrong but so far I am being proven right. What would make a difference in a hurry before it’s too late is for the police and the military to break ranks and come to our side. Time will tell if enough of them wake up in time before the doors are shut on us and we lose all our freedoms and the social media companies actually control what we can and can’t think and say over the internet. Otherwise, the day will come when they will control what we can say over the internet, not much unlike what North Korea is already doing where this girl escaped from in the first place only to find the West is heading the same direction.

    Yeonmi Park: In a Culture of Lies, Telling the Truth is Courageous

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      David Maddison

      Excellent words PeterS.

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        PeterS

        Thank you. The concern though it’s all true. I really do fear for our future but then I do take comfort in the fact I will end up going to a better and perfect world when the time comes. My main task now is to bring the good news to as many of my relatives and friends as I possibly can before I leave this world. I did think of starting up my own channel on YT and other sites but there are enough of them already so I will focus on the people close to me. I do have a YT channel but I haven’t been using it for anything.

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      PeterS

      To the person who votes us down, here’s a message. The thing to note is Presidents, Prime Ministers, Premiers and the like do not own us. They are not like Kings and Lords who do in effect own the people and it is protocol that people bow down to them. In our modern governments it’s supposed to be completely different. The issue though things are changing to make Presidents, Prime Ministers, Premiers and the like as though they are our Kings and Lords. Well, all I will say to them is FU! They are not my Lord. Jesus Christ is my Lord and will bow down to no President, Prime Minister, Premiers or the like. They can and probably will go to hell.

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      Ian

      “What would make a difference in a hurry before it’s too late is for the police and the military to break ranks and come to our side.”

      And what side is that? The side that believes vaccines are useless? The side that believes Ivermectin is our saviour? The side that prefers death to lockdowns, provided of course it is not their death? The side that believes protests and riots are OK if they are right wing protests and riots?

      “The thing to note is Presidents, Prime Ministers, Premiers and the like do not own us. ”

      You are quite correct. It is the reverse in almost all countries. That’s why elections are so important.

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        Lucky

        False dichotomies and sneers:

        prefer death to lockdowns- but lockdowns cause death

        protest and riots- implies a protest is a riot so bad, in Victoria it was a police riot

        vaccines are useless- They do not immunize so lead to high risk mutations

        ivermectin is savior- evidence says Yes.

        etc.

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      Hanrahan

      Apathy is a common reason, Being busy with work or other duties is another. It’s understandable,

      Not wanting to be accused of killing granny [insert group of choice] is another.

      Have you ever heard anyone object to ever restrictive road laws and sky high fines? Of course not, to do so would be exhibiting callous disregard for the lives of other road users. And again no one objects to extortionate “sin” taxes. If you choose to drink/smoke/gamble you also choose to pay the taxes “For your own good” of course.

      Australians are not just apathetic to tyranny, they welcome it.

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    clarence.t

    A sensible young lad. !

    https://twitter.com/MKlarname/status/1429845991700697089

    “What’s stopping them from creating an emergency to allow them to break the law” !

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      PeterS

      Now that’s what I call a person who is awake. Too bad it’s not common place enough to ensure the vaccination take up wasn’t kept down to single digits. Instead people are flocking to get vaccinated, mostly due to the fear campaign by our lying governments.

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      David Maddison

      If you allow the government to break the law because of an emergency – they will always create an emergency to break the law.

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        RickWill

        The opportunity there is to create a “No Emergency” Party and run for government. That is how democracy works. Governments create the laws. There is no government in Australia breaking our law – that was created by current and past governments of the people.

        If the vast majority of people did not understand the necessity to reduce contact with others then the government simply could not enforce that. Sure there are the entitled few who want to have large engagement parties or attack police but they are a tiny minority – they are the undemocratic rabble operating on the fringe of democratic society.

        The young man in the video has made a choice. He has a choice. The vast majority of people have already made a different choice and that is good for the community as a whole.

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          PeterS

          Actually the vast majority have not made a different choice. Some 25% of the world have decided to be vaccinated. How far it goes only time will tell. As for governments making the laws, true. As for governments and police officers not breaking the lase, false. Any simpleton can see that.

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          ando

          “That is good for the community as a whole”. How do you know? These rushed out serums might turn out to be a disaster of biblical proportions if people like the inventor of mrna technology are to be believed.

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          clarence.t

          The big difference is that the young lad has educated himself first.

          Most people who take the clot-shot, have not.

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      Ronin

      How on earth did he escape the brainwashing.

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        PeterS

        If it’s the same way as how I’ve escaped it, it’s with the help of the Holy Spirit. Glory to the Triune God.

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          Sceptical Sam

          Would that be the Triune created by a majority vote at the First Council of Nicaea in AD 325?

          What happened to to those who voted “No”?

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    RightOverLabour

    I watched this last night. He is still alive judging by the comments. Hope to start trialling this as soon as I can get a tube.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNPSBYSr5XA&ab_channel=RichardJLloyd

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      David Maddison

      Great video. Thanks for posting. It looks like whatever brand of horse Ivermectin that was, it is much better than the human stuff because it comes in a graduated syringe that lets you squeeze out the required dose according to weight (note, it is an oral medication, not injected, it is just the syringe body, not the needle).

      Human doses come in a one size fits all pill of either 3mg or 12mg (custom compounded).

      If you identify as a human and not a horse you can find more information at https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/

      *** Note that you should do your own research before using. This is not a recommendation. ***

      ***I am not aware of any contraindications for using IVM, except for being a Leftist. If you are a Leftist you should stick to Big Pharma treatments only such as the various gene therapies on offer; Remdesivir, etc.. Follow only the advice of the World Homicide Organisation and Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus and his Tigray People’s Liberation Front or Ethiopian People’s Revolutionary Democratic Front.

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        Chris

        David, I am a horse person, that is I own horses, care for them and spend half my day with them. I have taken ivermectin as have some vets who work with horses on a daily basis. I have a cache to last for the next couple of years. I watched Richard Lloyd’s video and he has made a mistake. Whilst it is correct to say that the ratio of mg/kg bodyweight is the same for horses and humans. THIS IS FOR WORMING and that is a higher dosage than on the packets of ivermectin used to treat humans for Covid as we have seen online. Ivermectin stays in the system for days- it takes three days to kill worms.
        Horses with very heavy loads of worms are not given a second dose for two weeks.

        Whilst ivermectin is a very safe drug, 94 million doses are given to Africans every year for a variety of parasitical infections. You can do damage with very large overdoses.

        Things to look out for – you can buy wormers on line from saddlery stores such as ‘Horseland’. There are other similar retailers throughout Australia . Stock feeders who sell hay and horse feed will sell wormers also.

        MOST wormers are made up of two or three different drugs . There are a couple of brands that are straight Ivermectin so please check the label before buying. The locking mechanism to measure the dosage is not always reliable – check carefully or you will end up with a dosage for a 600kg horse.

        Someone mentioned buying Eraquell which is like All BRAN forget that; they are very hard and impossible to measure and hard to eat. Horses have the teeth to crunch it.

        Richard Lloyd is right – mixed with yoghurt is the way to go.

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      David Maddison

      Here is another video (seemingly from US) about a person who identifies as a human taking apple flavoured horse Ivermectin.

      https://youtu.be/qZJ_jwMnvJ4

      NOTE: POSTED FOR INFORMATION ONLY. IT IS YOUR OWN DECISION AND RESPONSIBILITY IF YOU DECIDE TO SELF-MEDICATE. RECOMMEND YOU SEE A QUALIFIED AND KNOWLEDGEABLE MEDICAL DOCTOR.

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      RickWill

      The downside of taking this of course is that your voice goes horse.

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    David Maddison

    There are many other search engines apart from Google.

    E.g. https://www.searchenginejournal.com/alternative-search-engines/271409/

    DuckDuckGo is an example which is both popular, doesn’t track and I don’t believe engages in political censorship against conservatives or medical or scientific censorship such as being against non-WHO mandated COVID treatments.

    It also doesn’t steer your searches in a particular direction that Google wants according to the interests it represents (e.g. Big Government, Big Pharma, Big China, Big Socialists etc.).

    Compare search results and see what you get!

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    Travis T. Jones

    Video: MASS PSYCHOSIS – How an Entire Population Becomes MENTALLY ILL

    “A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him saying, ‘You are mad, you are not like us’.” – St. Anthony the Great (251–356)

    Well researched, and the presentation is so creatively good. Everything in this video is unfortunately unfolding before our very eyes.

    It is a 20 minute video, worth every minute.

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      Travis T. Jones

      Oops. Link: MASS PSYCHOSIS – How an Entire Population Becomes MENTALLY ILL

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09maaUaRT4M&t=1s

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      PeterS

      When I watched that a week ago I felt I was floating above the skies like a hawk watching the people everywhere catching the mental disorder sending them mad wondering how could it have gone this far so easily and quickly. I had to watch the video a second time to find out without being in a dream state. Reality does indeed bite, or as Mark Twain said “Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn’t.”

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    another ian

    Viewed from outside

    “He’s talking about Australia, but it might as well be the USA”

    https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2021/08/hes-talking-about-australia-but-it.html

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    Vicki Sanderson

    Astounding ignorance of the professional disagreement amongst leading virologists and immunologists around the world in respect to the COVID “vaccines” is apparent throughout the general population in Australia.

    I have compiled the following list of the leading opponents of the vax program with which to counter all the sanctimonious critics of my position. I would suggest many of you could use this document for the same purposes. Please add to it where you can.

    List of Medical Specialists who oppose the current vaccines

    Dr. Mike Yeodon, virologist, former Chief Scientific Officer and Vice President , Allergy and Respiratory Research Head with Pfizer Global Research & Development, and co-Founder of Ziarco Pharma Ltd.

    Dr. Geert Vanden Boisse, PhD, virologist & vaccine expert, formerly with Gates Foundation, Former Head of Vaccine Development Office, Centre for Infection Research, Germany

    Dr. Tom Borody, PhD, Australian recognised for groundbreaking clinical work in complex infective disorders. Currently developing triple drug therapy for Covid 19.

    Dr. John Ioannidis, Prof. of Medicine & Epidemiology, Stanford University. Recognised as one of the world’s most influential scientists.

    Dr. Peter McCullough, Prof. of Medicine, epidemiologist & cardiologist, Univ. College of Medicine, Dallas, Texas

    Dr. Robert Malone, virologist and immunologist, inventor of mRNA gene therapy when working for Salk Institute.

    Dr. Beda Stadler,Emeritus Professor & Director of Immunology, Bern, Switzerland.

    Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi, Retired microbiologist, University of Mainz, Germany

    Dr. Roger Hodkinson, Pathologist & MD (Cambridge UK), Chair of Royal College of Physicians & Surgeons, Canada

    Dr. Tess Lawrie, consultant to WHO, Director of evidence based Medicine Consultancy, UK

    Dr. Pierre Kory, Critical care physician, Frontline Critical Care Alliance

    Dr. Wolfgang Wodarq, Epidemiologist & specialist in lung disease & environmental medicine, former Head of Public Health dept, Germany.

    Prof. Christian Perrone, Head of Medical Dep., Raymond Poincare Hospital, Paris.

    Dr. Damian Wojcik, NZ specialist in integrative medicine, Master of Forensic Medicine (Monash)

    Prof. Dolores Cahill, microbiologist & immunologist

    Bret Weinstein, evolutionary biologist, former Prof. of Biology, Evergreen State, USA

    [BTW I haven’t included Dr. Zelenko, though I appreciate his stance, because he can be easily dismissed by critics because of the Trump association]

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      David Maddison

      Good list Vicki, but I don’t think you should dismiss Dr Zelenko because President Trump took his advice.

      We can’t cancel people like that, that is what the Left do.

      His association with President Trump has nothing to do with his medical or scientific competence or the treatments he has developed and uses

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        Vicki Sanderson

        David, I actually really agree with what Zelenko. I am not “cancelling”him in the usual meaning of the word. Rather, I am focussed on opening up people’s minds to the reality of the Vax program & Zelenko, in many ways, allows the critics to dismiss the arguments as extremist.

        So, I am basically looking for the best weapons to defend the case against the “vaccines”.

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        Analitik

        I understand Vicki’s reasoning – there are still many people who will disassociate themselves from ANYTHING that was supported by Trump which is a large factor in the establishment finding every possible means to discredit Dr Zelenko and hydroxychloroquine. For many who have an abiding hatred for Trump, including Dr Zelenko’s name will lead to automatic rejection of the position presented which is pathetic but reality.

        The ultimate irony is that the vaccines were developed and rushed through for emergency approval authorization under Trump’s Presidency and backing and he himself was one of the early vaccinees (despite having already recovered from infection). Somehow, these have transitioned to be acceptable and Trump followers tarred as all being anti-vaxxers. Trump even spoke for vaccination aginst CoViD at the recent Alabama rally and some booed him for it.

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      yesterday they took down the first video of two that Dr Borody put up twelve months ago on the Ivermectin triple therapy method where he calls it a cure
      go figure LOL silencing the treatment experts on utube
      https://covexit.com/australian-gps-can-legally-prescribe-ivermectin-triple-therapy-protocol-professor-borody/

      but once you have seen the truth you cannot take it back 😉

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    Vicki Sanderson

    Can I also take this opportunity to thank all this blog’s contributors (& of course, Jo!!) for their commitment to the principle of free speech and unafraid pursuit of the truth.

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      Analitik

      Yes, if this was the groupthink forum that some outsiders assert, most of the comments by Simon, Ian, Peter Fitzroy and Gee Aye would be moderated out of existence, the way it gets done at RenewEconomy, amongst many others.

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        Forrest Gardener

        Aha. I knew it.

        Simon, Ian, Peter Fitzroy and Gee Aye are really false flags employed by Jo to pretend that this is not a groupthink forum.

        It’s ok. I’ve taken my medication now and my tinfoil hat is nearby.

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    Kevin a

    https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2086

    Covid-19: FDA set to grant full approval to Pfizer vaccine without public discussion of data

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    So the title is about the not for profit vaccine Oxford-AZ and all the stuff about profits in the body text is Pfizer which is not owned by the companies in the headline.

    AZ is loss making https://endpts.com/astrazenecas-non-profit-vaccine-is-for-now-costing-them-money/

    For the first earnings report of the year, AstraZeneca invented a new metric: the profit they’d have if you didn’t count their Covid-19 vaccine costs.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/astrazeneca-loses-money-on-covid-19-vaccine-for-second-straight-quarter-11627547543

    The vaccine boosted second-quarter revenue by $894 million, but contributed to about $13 million in losses in the quarter, shaving 1 cent off per-share earnings. AstraZeneca had a loss of around $40 million on its Covid-19 vaccine in the first three months of this year.

    remember revenue is not profit. There are costs in research, approvals,manufacturing and distribution that the revenue is failing to cover. So…

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      Although I would say that since I have had the AZ shot. Second dose tomorrow.

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        Peter C

        Glad you still have confidence in the AZ vaccine. ACT Covid numbers not going down yet so may be a good move.

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          yes… I gave a report about the ACT numbers as of yesterday in the Tuesday unfettered thread. I’ll update right here (I need to appease my baying fans).

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            And now the ACt outbreak update. 9 new cases today probably all linked to known cases (8 certain and one being investigated) and 4 infectious in the community. This is way less than the 32 yesterday but as I mentioned yesterday there are reasons to think the 32 is to do with the structure of the outbreak and is not indicative of a trend.

            I’d call today’s nine to be within the region of daily fluctuations (ie error) for the last last week and that there is no evidence of an upward or downward trend. I’d be looking for an average of single digit numbers over 4 days or so to call a downward trend at this point.

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              Peter C

              and 4 infectious in the community.

              What does that mean? Are they roaming about or are they isolating at home?
              Does the ACT put all Covid cases in hospital, as they do in QLD? I can see some sense in that since isolating at home can be difficult if the house has many occupants.

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                Roaming about. Probably close contacts of a case that then were tested and shown to be positive with the timings suggesting potential for being out and about before their close contact was tested.

                “isolating at home” means not infectious in the community.

                All of them were post the lockdown which gives some hope that they limited their interactions.

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                Does the ACT put all Covid cases in hospital, as they do in QLD?

                no

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            Analitik

            And earn your keep

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    Ronin

    “Is Pfizer making profits making people sick and more profit treating the sickness it caused?”

    I thought that’s how all big pharma rolled.

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    another ian

    “A Most Unusual Thing in Australia, Alice
    August 24, 2021 | Sundance | 51 Comments”

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/08/24/a-most-unusual-thing-in-australia-alice/

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      Forrest Gardener

      Yes. As I commented there it is always interesting to see foreign commentary on your country.

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    Philip

    Id be interested to know how many readers here are going to continue on without a vax (now that Gladys has decided she is going to unleash the virus on you). And what are your daily habit risks, high or low?

    Me, I’m going to continue on unvaxed, but I have a very low exposure risk. I live a fairly isolated life, only work part time in a relatively isolated situation. Risks exist, but minor and manageable (kin of). If I was high risk, i.e., highly social, lived in the cities, must work and interact with random strangers, had kids who attend school(germ centers), I’d be getting vaxed. From what I glean, getting that virus in your body and what happens next is a roll of the dice.

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      Vicki Sanderson

      Philip

      Although it is a seemingly scary prospect to remain “unvaxed” because of the hysteria of the daily media, if you are healthy with no underlying medical complaints & under 70, your chances of getting COVID, let alone seriously ill with it, are actually very small.

      Like you, I live most of my life (all the time, currently) in a rural setting which only requires occasional exposure to the possibility of CV19 infection.

      Nonetheless, for the past year, my husband and I have followed the recommended protocol for immune protection – daily supplements of Vit C, D3, Zinc, & bioflavanoids. Many front line covid physicians say that these will provide excellent protection & a huge advantage if you become infected. We have these with a morning vitamised drink containing celery, carrots, blueberries, apple, banana & any other available fruit. Although we have a daily biscuit & coffee etc, we restrict our alcohol consumption (with great difficulty!) & eat very healthy foods – seasonal veggies & fruit from our garden & eggs from the chooks.

      Other than that, “we are holding out” for either the approval of Ivermectin, or the release in the new year of the anti-viral currently being developed. I am losing hope that Novavax will be the valid alternative that we had hoped for.

      Even if we were back full time in Sydney, I would be doing the same thing.

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        Custer Van Cleef

        “a morning vitaminised drink”

        There was an episode of “Trust Me I’m a Doctor” where they gave participants a TALL glass of whizzed up fruit & veg … then they analyzed their blood levels.
        After a short spell, the vitamin levels settled BELOW where they normally were … I think it was because a metabolic pathway kicked in, where the body starts to excrete what it judges to be an EXCESS of vitamins. You end up excreting nutrient rich urine.

        My takeaway was, I’ll consume the same quantity as the tall glass, but spread it out over the course of my day … a swig here … a swig there…

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      Konrad

      I am under no circumstances getting the “vaccine”.

      It is irresponsible to participate in mass use of a non-sterilizing inoculation in a pandemic. It just accelerates the evolution of new viral strains. And the typical evolution of the to more infectious / less deadly cannot be assumed as the virus still has wide evolutionary latitude.

      Further the survival rate for the virus is so high that the risks of the experimental gene therapy cannot be justified. The risk from the virus would be virtually nonexistent if the use of the therapeutics was allowed in Australia.

      Then there is the emerging signal of ADE in the “fully vaccinated”. It is exactly this problem that saw development of the SARS-1 spike protein vaccine terminated. And boosters for new strains cannot solve this as the boosters themselves will cause adverse reactions.

      It is clear that natural immunity from exposure to the Fauci Flu is the best option (with Ivermectin safety). A key indicator of this is the frantic attempts by the FDA in the US to ban antibody testing prior to jabbing. They don’t want a huge control group with natural immunity showing up the failure of Quackzines.

      There is no amount of shaming or coercion that will make me take the untested gene therapy. If one of my employers makes it mandatory, then I will withdraw my services. If our increasingly totalitarian government tries using force, I will respond disproportionately in kind.

      But I believe the “get quackzinated” pressure will soon evaporate. The failure of the quackzination nations compared to the success of those who fought back against the WHO is becoming impossible to ignore. The bad news for the Quackzines is spreading faster than the virus.

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      PeterS

      I might consider getting one of the up and coming vaccines that are the traditional and safer type, such as Novavax. I will most certainly stay clear of the nucleic acid and viral vector varieties as they are more recent approaches and have been rushed through without extensive trials. Even so I don’t see the need for a vaccine for a virus that’s leading to far less deaths than other respiratory diseases. However, I will do more research on Novavax and others.

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        David Maddison

        Dr Been discusses Novavax here.

        https://youtu.be/Q00lyd3gyy4

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          Analitik

          And it still uses the spike protein based on the original strain as the antigen.

          The toxicity of the spike protein worries me much more than any effects of gene therapy and the doctor in the video does not address this at all.
          The effects of gene therapy are fairly well known (gene therapy cannot effect permanent changes as the immune system reacts to altered cells as if they were an infection) with autoimmune effects being the most worrying.

          The lipids used to encapsulate the mRNA have unknown effects while the adenovirus vector vaccines have been known to cause clotting issues (on top of those caused by the spike proteins) for over a decade.

          Not sure which firing squad I’ll face up to if I’m forced to be shot.

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            PeterS

            Protein subunit vaccines are a well known method and have been used for a long time. Examples are, hepatitis B and acellular pertussis vaccines.

            However, whole virus ones would be better. Unfortunately, the only ones tested and used elsewhere so far come from India, China, Kazakhstan, Iran and Russia. There are some in trial phases from UK and Japan.

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              Lucky

              Suggestion- the BCG vaccine.
              If I had to take one immediately I’d go for the Sinovax, it barely works against the wuhu but is the simplest.

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              Analitik

              I do not deny that protein subunit vaccines are a well known method but the protein subunit in this case is the toxic spike protein.

              So safety becomes a tradeoff for the additional side effects of the gene therapy vaccines vs the potential for greater mobility of the spike protein clusters formed in the Novavax vaccine vs those created on the cell walls by the gene therapy vaccines

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      RickWill

      If you have any interaction with young grandchildren or other toddlers then it is highly likely that you will get infection from whatever they carry. If you ever get on an airplane then you will have high exposure to whatever people near your are carrying.

      There are very few committed anti-vaxxers in Australia. That means the Covid virus in Australia will die out quite soon even if there are thousands of daily cases at the point of reopening. Of course, it appears the Premiers are keen to see their states Covid free and keep it that way until very large numbers are vaccinated.

      There are quite a few countries now where the vaccine has done its job. It may take a few boosters to ride through getting rid of the virus globally but that looks quite possible now. Highly vaccinated locations like Singapore and Uruguay have achieved herd immunity:
      https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=countries&highlight=Singapore&show=highlight-only&y=both&scale=linear&data=cases-daily&data-source=jhu&xaxis=right#countries
      https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=countries&highlight=Uruguay&show=highlight-only&y=both&scale=linear&data=cases-daily&data-source=jhu&xaxis=right#countries

      I believe populations get 4 polio vaccinations over a period of a few years and that has achieved herd immunity in developed countries. It may take a few years and a booster or two for Covid to achieve herd immunity across developed countries but it appears to be happening.

      If you never plan to leave Australia; never come in contact with a toddler or where they have been; never use public toilets; never go into a public bar etc then there is a good chance you will never be exposed to Covid. It could be just a memory in two years.

      Of course you could just take regular doses of an anti-viral. It always pays to ensure Vitamin D level is up.

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        Philip

        I just checked Uruguay and Singapore and it looks encouraging. Though Uruguay has just come out of quite a big spike and maybe they could head into another with time, which what seems to happen in other places. And Singapore have been masters at handling it all along, very low deaths, so could be more or as much to do with that.

        But no one beats Taiwan, they’re amazing at control – obedient smart experienced people compared to the weak babies here – and haven’t relied on vaccines to do it.

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          RickWill

          You will see that death rate in Uruguay fell dramatically once vaccinations reached 58% for the first jab in the first week of June:
          https://covid19.healthdata.org/uruguay?view=vaccinations&tab=trend

          I expect that they still had other controls in place but I have not looked at those. It seems like the population needs at least 70% to achieve herd immunity without other contact restrictions.

          UK has mass spreader events like full crowds at football and case numbers are still quite high but deaths are low compared with what they have been.

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        Konrad

        It is false to say any nation has achieved “herd immunity” via the use of non-sterilizing inoculations. It is not scientifically possible to achieve this.

        There are only two low risk paths to herd immunity:
        1. Mass use of a sterilizing vaccine (like the smallpox vaccine).
        2. Mass infection and survival of same via the use of anti-viral triple drug therapy.

        Only one of those options is currently available.

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      Philip

      Thanks to all respondents. I was interested in people here as they have been reading Jo’s blog so have been exposed to the best objective information and skilled analysis available.

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    beowulf

    Let’s have more lockdowns while we wait in vain for the “very safe and effective” vaccines and multiple boosters to magically work.

    Mark Latham has been asking a series of incisive questions in the NSW Parliament about the economic impact of the Sydney lockdown.

    These figures are the government’s own modelling and account for ONLY the Greater Sydney section of the NSW lockdown, excluding the impact on the rest of the state.

    • NSW is losing $1.3 billion per week due to the savage, ongoing Sydney lockdown alone
    • $11.7 billion lost to NSW so far from this Sydney lockdown

    https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2021/08/cost-of-gladys-incompetence-117-billion-to-other-people-and-counting.html

    Then there are the other social consequences. Last week Lifeline broke its daily record for calls on its suicide help-line.

    3,345 callers sought support from Lifeline Australia on Monday [16/8/21] this week, the highest volume of calls in the organisation’s 58-year history.

    Lifeline has broken its record for calls per day 3 times this month, and 5 of its 10 busiest days ever also occurred this month.

    People are hurting big-time, and all the politicians have for us is more of the same.

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      Philip

      Mark Latham also said “this is the soft underbelly of multiculturalism”. As it clearly is but of which no one else will speak of. He does good work Latham, the only reason left to vote at all if you ask me.

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      Philip

      Looking at those figures just goes to show you how cheap (and easy) a decent quarantine system would be.

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      PeterS

      A lot like the emissions reduction madness, the vaccination madness is going out of control. So, let’s shut down all coal fired power stations immediately and keep the lockdowns until we reach 0 cases and 80% vaccination rates. That ought to be enough to wake enough people up and storm the “palaces”. If not then it means we need even tougher measures. I suggest martial law and people shot on sight for daring to watch a sunset. If that still isn’t enough then drag people out into the streets and start shooting them. I think that ought to be enough but just in case it’s not the next step is to smash into people’s homes and start shooting them. Oh, wait a minute, I just realised I’m not in Kabul.

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      RickWill

      People who think the vaccines are not working are being badly misinformed.

      If you look at the highly vaccinated countries like Singapore and Uruguay you will see they have achieved herd immunity:
      https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=countries&highlight=Uruguay&show=highlight-only&y=both&scale=linear&data=cases-daily&data-source=jhu&xaxis=right#countries
      https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=countries&highlight=Singapore&show=highlight-only&y=both&scale=linear&data=cases-daily&data-source=jhu&xaxis=right#countries

      Singapore has 74% vaccinated.Uruguay 71%. Gibraltar is the most vaccinated location and they have now achieved herd immunity despite active international tourism.

      Israel is often held up as being a disaster from the perspective of vaccination. They only have 63% fully vaccinated now and opened up when cases were still high. The good news in Israel is that daily deaths are under 20 despite thousands of daily cases.

      More than half of the hospitalisations in NSW are under 30yo. More than 90% of hospitalisations are not vaccinated. That outcome reflects the priority given to older people in the vaccination program. Although some just say it is because Delta selects younger people – pull the other one!!

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        Analitik

        srael is often held up as being a disaster from the perspective of vaccination. They only have 63% fully vaccinated now and opened up when cases were still high. The good news in Israel is that daily deaths are under 20 despite thousands of daily cases.

        And they have still gone back into partial lockdown with indoor mask wearing reimposed and limitations on gatherings as well as subjecting people to a 3rd shot of vaccine. Since their vaccination only began 8 months ago, this means people need their “immunity” boosted every 6 months, since that is how long the earliest people became “fully vaccinated”.

        This is overcoming CoViD?

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        Konrad

        “More than 90% of hospitalizations are non-vaccinated”

        Oh dear Rick …

        Have you seen how the CDC in the US play this game? Anyone who only has one shot or got infected within 2 weeks of a second shot is listed as “unvaccinated”.

        Now, is any state or federal government in Australia offered covid convalescent pases or natural immunity passports? Nope, they are dead set on the Davos plan. So it’s guaranteed they are following the CDC vax status vs. New case reporting game …

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      Kevin a

      DR. VLADIMIR ZELENKO FINDS 100% SUCCESS IN CURING 350 PATIENTS USING HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE FOR COVID-19
      Do a search for DR. VLADIMIR ZELENKO on Bitchute you will find a lot of answers

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    Travis T. Jones

    Let Freedom Ring, Australian Member of Parliament George Christensen Takes a Stand

    “We swear by the Southern cross to stand truly by each other and fight to defend our rights and liberties.

    That is the Diggers Oath, the oath taken by Australians in the gold mining town of Ballarat before they took a fateful stand against tyranny in what we now know as the Eureka Stockade or the Eureka rebellion.

    . We the people want our freedom back.

    . We demand that there be no more lockdowns.

    . We demand that there be no more curfews.

    . We demand that there be no more mask mandates.

    . We demand there be no more state border closures.

    . We demand there be no more privacy invasion with mandatory QR code check-ins.

    . We demand there be no more discrimination between vaccinated and un-vaccinated Australians.

    . We demand that our freedoms be restored.

    . And I demand that peaceful protestors. patriotic freedom loving men and women never ever be fired upon in this country ever again.”

    On ya, George!

    Australian MP George Christensen stands up for innocent protestors.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/08/23/let-freedom-ring-australian-member-of-parliament-george-christensen-takes-a-stand/

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    Custer Van Cleef

    I used to admire Google before Eric Schmidt took the reins. Their mission statement “Don’t Be Evil” was naive maybe — but they were rolling out good products, and posing a threat to Microsoft dominance.

    Under Eric, “Don’t Be Evil” got scrapped.

    Now I hate the company — a good reason not to be a Libertarian. I don’t care that they’re a private company: things are gonna get real bad for humanity if power is concentrated in the hands of these new Robber Barons. That’s power over what information we can see, the power to cancel sincere voices who oppose the PTB — it all adds up to power over what we think… then we’re screwed… in fact, we’re half way there.

    Agenda Item (1): stop Big Tech companies from taking over start-ups — stop them from merging future competitors into their corporate body, snuffing out competition.
    Vote for anyone who promises to pass this law.

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      PeterS

      I’m old and recall the good old days when newsgroups (Usenet, Fidonet, majordomo, etc.) all provided so much freedom of expressions. I remember many nights spent participating in flame wars. It was fun. Now it’s all changed. We are becoming more and more like North Korea and China where censorship is the order of the day rather the rare exception.

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      The Law of Attraction explains everything. Having ‘evil’ in your slogan will make you evil, even if you say ‘don’t be’ beforehand.

      Mother Teresa (I’m not her biggest fan, but…) made the point decades ago, that she would never go to an anti-war rally, but that she would go to a pro-peace rally.

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    David Maddison

    Oh, look.

    Red Thumb Troll has managed to get out of bed early today, 11am.

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    David Maddison

    You know what the most disgusting thing about Australia’s Covid lock ups, the most stringent in the world is?

    It’s that the tyrannical State Premiers and their sycophantic public serpents are actually enjoying the economic and social destruction they are wreaking and the thrill of absolute power it is giving them.

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      PeterS

      NSW Health Minister Brad Hazzard is perhaps the most disgusting of the lot. He described those who refuse to be vaccinated in effect as criminals of society. I say .. to you Hazzard!

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        Philip

        Bit much coming from a man who is literally responsible for all the deaths that have occurred in NSW. He let it in, under his watch, during 2 periods, the ruby princess and the Bondi Limo driver. I doubt Brad has had any such reflection

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      PeterS

      Speaking of censorship, I just noticed one of my posts was pulled. Hmmm.

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        Serp

        That’d be the one I was readying a polite chastisement to.

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        Raving

        You guys are only starting to get vaccinated … and they are revving up the emotional blackmail on the unvaxxed already?

        Get your chief medical officer of health to issue an order for mandatory vaccinations
        … Wait! He won’t do it?

        ROTFL
        (Livin’ the life)

        There are at least 2 explanations for this depending on which side of the vaxxing fence you are on. Neither is pretty

        1/ The MOH is unable to decide because of chaotic medical poltics. Lacks the constituency to decide

        2/ The MOH doesn’t consider universal vaccination to be appropriate (ugly because the mob sides with vax everyone)

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      PeterS

      If it happens again I’m leaving this blog and focus on HotCopper where it’s far better. I’m disgusted with you Jo.

      (This after 10,507 comments that YOU have posted here yet complain about one that wasn’t acceptable) CTS

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        ah… the one about the gun given up at port arthur. It was a pretty rank comment Peter.

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        Brenda Spence

        Dont go Peter please, I enjoy your contribution.

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        GlenM

        Hey Peter we sometimes get this. I value your opinion and hope you continue to contribute.

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        PeterS

        Some time ago you blocked me for a period for being somewhat repetitive, nihilistic, or off topic, adding heat but little new content, not allowing space for quieter more thoughtful commenters.

        OK, I’ll endeavour to raise my standards 🙂 I just wish some of the others did the same.

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          el gordo

          ‘ … repetitive, nihilistic, or off topic …’

          Good advice by the editor, rest assured you’re not on your Robinson Caruso.

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          Konrad

          Peter, I am a very bad puppy and I need constant censorship.

          Mostly I am able to self censor, but I do still stuff up.

          There was this one time at band camp …

          (OK, it was Judith Curry’s blog).

          Foul language? Worse. Far worse. Science and engineering information that should not be in the public domain.

          She smacked my haunches red, and with good reason. Online in thread and offline in email.

          In the age of instantaneous, ill considered comment, not all censorship is bad.

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        Peter C

        Well I got moderated when I replied to you Peter.
        However the moderator did reply to me and I am happy with the response.

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    John F Hultquist

    About Ivermectin:
    When I’ve given this to horses the tube claims it will treat a 1,250 pound horse. A horse is never happy with this action so I assume they don’t quite get it all.
    Further, I don’t know what the recommended dose for a human is. But assuming the concentration is similar, a 200 lb. human would take just 16% of a tube. The prominent markers on the injector are 250 pound intervals. It would be difficult to get the right amount in this manner. Using other sources might be more accurate.
    I have not found how the compound for horses (a paste with 1.87%; net weight 6.08 grams) differs from others. Officials say it does differ but if there is an explanation somewhere I have not found it. Anyhow, a person would have to weigh out 0.973 gram, and most would not have a clue how to do that.
    Some folks seem to be giving this method a try. I think the human dose ought to be available.

    About experimental activities – this is one hellofa experiment:
    32.7% of the world population has received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine, and 24.6% is fully vaccinated.
    5 billion doses have been administered globally, and 33.56 million are now administered each day.

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    Vicki Sanderson

    Ivermectin cattle drench (eg Ausmectin or Noramectin) is calculated ml per kg.

    I can’t see why this could not be calibrated to human weight. But, not surprisingly, the “powers-that-be” warn that the cattle drench is concentrated & doesn’t translate into human dosage. I doubt that.

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    David Maddison

    Because such small quantities of Ivermectin are needed it has to be “bulked up” to make it into manageable amounts.

    As long as the concentration of active ingredient i.e. Ivermectin is what any calculation is based on, I don’t see what the problem is.

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    another ian

    Vicki

    From my readings the problems with what we call “Pour-Ons” is in some of the things used as carriers to aid skin absorption not being exactly what you’d want to be internal.

    Also be very careful with overseas sources as they may use “drench” as we use “Pour-on” – i.e. “drenching the skin”. Chiefio has been reporting on his skin application of IVM this way for a while – and is still reporting!

    I speculate that, if you were of the “bathing in ass’s milk” set you could mix up a batch of Cooper’s Fly and Lice” (used for sheep jetting) for variety – but would need a fancier name and a jazz up on the scent side (it is pretty bland as is) for wide acceptance. Even do an Aga Khan and flog off the bath water to the faithful – maybe?

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    another ian

    I forgot this – I saw an overseas item pushing injectable IVM for internal use via mouth. I guess it wouldn’t have incompatibles in it.

    Dose worked out at 0.2 mg/kg also

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    Richard Jenkins

    I wonder what the rel case numbers are.
    Essendon footballer Conor McKenna was returning from Ireland tested +.Connor never felt sick.
    Richard Wilkins had contact with Tom Hanks.
    Testingis expensive and wastes hours of most people’s time. That is usually for a negative result. The result shows you do not have covid at the moment! So what?
    Perhaps a month ago or next week!
    ANTIBODY TESTS would make sense. NOTE in some sites antibody tests found 80% positive results were in people who did not even feel ill!
    The important statistics are deaths from (not with) Covid and totally recovered.
    I, as a high risk person, would feel safe with people who had antibodies. I don’t feel safe with the vaccinated.
    If you have symptoms get tested? Negative. Far more sense to develop the pin prick antibody test. Test everybody and advise people who have acquired herd immunity the natural way when they can visit the old and frail. No lockdowns!!!
    This worked for thousands of years and we have the knowledge and technology to keep people like me informed and safe if we take responsibility for ourselves.
    Some people love their authority.

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      Analitik

      Yep. I keep repeating to a certain person that India’s serology tests in July showed that 66% of the population had SARS-CoV-2 antibodies – far more than testing indicated – showing the vast majority of cases are so mild that the infected has no idea they were ever sick (from CoViD).

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      RickWill

      I, as a high risk person, would feel safe with people who had antibodies. I don’t feel safe with the vaccinated.

      The idea of the vaccinations is to build specific antibodies. Any vaccinated person will exhibit those specific antibodies and they will show up in a Covid antibody test. Also people who have had Covid have been re-infected and passed it on to others – so having had Covid does not mean that person will never be contagious again.

      Most places will rely on vaccines to build immunity. The cost of acquiring natural immunity is way too high. Going by the excess deaths in India of 4.7M, about 35% of the population have had the infection and will have some antibody response. Another 30% have been vaccinated so about 2/3rds will have some level of antibodies.

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        Peter C

        Thanks Rick,

        I hope you don’t mind but there is quite a bit to unpack there. I presume you are informed by your son who is a front line Covid doctor.

        1: In reply to Richard Jenkins:

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          Peter C

          What Happened?

          To Richard Jenkins: Why would you feel safer with an unvaccinated person. I think they are the same.
          To Rick:
          1. The idea of the vaccinations is to build specific antibodies. Any vaccinated person will exhibit those specific antibodies and they will show up in a Covid antibody test”
          Yes, but the antibodies diminish over time. There is a memory of previous infections which takes a little time to activate, possibly involving memory T cells.
          2. so having had Covid does not mean that person will never be contagious again. Likely true!
          3. Most places will rely on vaccines to build immunity. So far in Australia.
          4. The cost of acquiring natural immunity is way too high. Is it? Compared to what?
          5. Going by the excess deaths in India of 4.7M, Reference?
          6. India should be immune by now.

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            Richard Jenkins

            Peter C,
            I only trust the naturally acquired antibodies because they have a record now of bing 100% effective.
            AV is about 65% and others about 90%. They suggest now regular shots. More money for big pharm!
            The patients that have been trained to fight covid naturaly, at this stage, seem to maintain that property indefinately.
            I had a smallpox shot and so did all my children. I want that for my grand children as it was in phials even in Iraq, where they didn’t have WMD???. Iraq did not have nuclear but that was not claimed. Potential to develop nukes was claimed and found.
            The cost of mingling to get covid has no cost and does not destroy business and cause suicides.
            80% of people with natural covid antibodies did not even have a sore arm.
            India has well over a billion people. Considering India’s population they have done well.
            I believe they have millions more cases than recorded as people had no reason to ask for a test Further those Indians who did not even feel sick will have antibodies. I believe India will be very safe from covid by 2023.
            India’s fully recovered numbers are huge and don’t include those millions that never even felt sick.
            Our 0 cases policies are ridiculous impossible insanity. The cost of lockdowns is huge and causes deaths by suicide, stress and lack of medical care.

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        Konrad

        Rick? Hello?

        Why is the FDA in the US trying to ban Antibody testing prior to and following “vaccination”?

        Hello?

        Rick … ?

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        Analitik

        Most of the excess deaths are likely to have been caused by the hospitals being overwhelmed in the 2nd wave leading to lack of treatment for other issues that led to death plus the lockdowns and orders to return home disrupting normal health care. In a poor country like India, even small reductions in the level of healthcare rapidly increases the mortality rate, especially in rural areas.

        So while while CoViD may have LED to much higher mortality, it was not the DIRECT cause.

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        Richard Jenkins

        RickWill.
        I did not make that statement lightly. I have be confused as to why people who had had covid had to be vaccinated.
        It has turned out like AGW forecasts where the predictions are proved wrong, in time, by the observations.
        Worldwide they have found that natural antibodies are better than vaccines.
        Next misinformtion proved wrong is duration.
        Naturally acquired antibodies are not reducing with time.
        Follow the audit trail and lust for power.

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    another ian

    FWIW

    “FIRST DO NO HARM”—SO STOP THE ‘VAX’—20,595 NOW DEAD IN EUROPE SINCE MAY REPORT—ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!”

    https://richardsonpost.com/howellwoltz/23163/first-do-no-harm-so-stop-the-vax/

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    David Maddison

    Los Angeles Fire Captain In Hot Water After Calling City’s Vax Mandate A ‘Tyranny’

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/los-angeles-fire-captain-in-hot-water-after-calling-citys-vax-mandate-a-tyranny

    The Los Angeles Fire Department (LAFD) is investigating a captain who recorded a video of himself ripping the city’s new vaccination mandate for city workers, equating the policy to “tyranny.”

    Officials announced on Monday that the department’s Professional Standards Division launched the probe because Capt. Christian Granucci appeared to be on duty while disparaging the requirement because he was wearing his uniform.

    “I am so hopping mad right now. You have no idea,” Granucci said, speaking to the camera. “My head could pop.”

    The video was reportedly recorded on Granucci’s cell phone while he was at work on Monday morning. Graham then posted on Telegram and it was reposted on YouTube later in the day. During the message, Granucci acknowledged he would “more than likely catch total grief” for his comments and said his wife “is going to kill me.”

    LAFD said in a statement that Granucci gave the impression he was speaking in an official capacity on behalf of the department. As a result, he could face disciplinary action.

    SEE LINK FOR REST

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    PeterS

    The Australian Government Database of Adverse Event Notifications – medicines for 11/08/2021 reports there were another 2 suspected deaths and 1 confirmed death due to the COVID-19 vaccines. On the same day there were 2 alleged deaths due the virus. It will be interesting to see how they compare once we get to much higher vaccination rates.

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    PeterS

    I read some time ago that consent under fear or duress is not legally consent at all but coercion and is therefore illegal. For example, signing a confession under duress is illegal. So, if someone takes the vaccine under fear of losing their job then I would have thought the employer is acting illegally. I suppose one day we will find out once someone takes it to court.

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      Tilba Tilba

      Isn’t it sensible to be vaccinated? You might not like it, but hospitalisation and death rates are overwhelmingly among the non-vaccinated – in data from all around the world.

      I didn’t particularly like getting the vaccine (AZ) – but at 69 I did, on the balance of risks. And BTW I do not think the unvaccinated should be hounded in any harsh way … if the vaccines work, then we should not have to feat the unvaxxed.

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    Hanrahan

    I followed a link somewhere above talking about restricting access to supplements that would compete with patent drugs and went down a rabbit hole lobbing on a nootropics site discussing picamilon. I had never heard of it and I suspect few have: It’s a mix of niacin and GABA.

    GABA is very good for memory, mood, dilating the blood vessels in the brain etc. but it is too big to pass through the blood/brain barrier. When combined with niacin [B3] it can. It has elements of a wonder drug of especial interest to me, nursing an ailing wife. Parkinsons was also mentioned.

    BUT THE BAR STEWARDS HAVE RESTRICTED IT. Amazon and others were told not to sell it. It has been well researched in Russia and there may be patents there but the research has not been translated nor indexed in the west.

    I can buy GABA and B3 is freely available [seems it’s good for the brain anyway] so I will try them. It makes me spit that American drug companies can dictate what I can access.

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    CHRIS

    Just remember: 2019…Alpha strain rules. 2020/21…Delta strain rules. 2022+… a new strain? COVID-19 is continually evolving and mutating. Anyone who thinks this pandemic is over is in fantasy land. Pray that any new strain is no more virulent than Delta…otherwise, humans are in a world of s**t.

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