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Michael Flynn: Trump could rerun elections in states with fraud

Things MSNBBCNN won’t mention that Michael Flynn suggests are possible:

  • President Trump could seize all the Dominion machines — on his order.
  • Trump could rerun the elections in swing states,
  • Martial law is one option, but by no means the only one, and has been instigated 64 times already in US history.

There are only two ways the Great Divide in politics can be resolved peacefully:

One: the media do their job and report both sides of the political landscape. Honest Democrat voters have no idea why half the nation thinks the election was stolen.  There will be little public sympathy for rioting to protect postal workers rights to backdate fake votes etc — but we are more likely to find life on the Moon.

Two: Rerun the election with paper ballots and Voter ID.

Trump should not have to rerun an election he appears to have won, but fake votes were mixed with real ones, and the egg cannot be unscrambled. Even proper audits cannot count only legal votes and discard illegal ones, they can only show the scale of the fraud.

Democracy starts and ends with free and fair elections.

Michael Flynn to Newsmax TV: Trump Has Options to Secure Integrity of 2020 Election

 (Newsmax TV/”Greg Kelly Reports”)

By Solange Reyner    |   Thursday, 17 December 2020 08:27 PM

Former national security adviser Michael Flynn says President Donald Trump has options to make sure the integrity of the 2020 election remains intact, including seizing voting machines around the country and using military capabilities to rerun elections in swing states.

”I don’t know if he’s going to take any of these options. The president has to plan for every eventuality because we cannot allow this election and the integrity of our election to go the way it is,” Flynn said Thursday during an appearance on Newsmax TV’s ”Greg Kelly Reports.’

”This is just totally unsatisfactory. There’s no way in the world we’re going to be able to move forward as a nation with this. …

 

Democracy also needs a free press. But even with systematic, culture-wide bias in the Pravda-press and obscene levels of censorship by Tech Giants, US voters appear to see through it (for now). American citizens still have a lot more free expression than Soviet citizens did. But for how long?

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    reformed warmist of logan

    Good afternoon Jo,
    “Base-lesss allegations”; “insufficient evidence”; “all the amounts involved wouldn’t be large enough to change the result”!
    Surely all these reflex-style Dem/Media responses should be condemned to the … “Well they would say that, wouldn’t they” file!
    I hope within the next 30 days either the; Senate, DOJ., or Scotus. “step up” & do the job they’re supposed to do. (Need I say, & of course, paid to do.)
    If this does not occur then the country, and the global economy as a whole, will be left to address all the ugly ramifactions for the next 2-4-6 years.
    Warm regards, Reformed warmist of Logan.

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      Ted O'Brien.

      There are a number of very powerful reasons why “they would say that, wouldn’t they”.

      Funnily enough, some of the reasons are the same as led to Mandy Rice-Davies saying it.

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        Make no mistake, the point of this post is to say that there are options to protect the US constitution even if SCOTUS fails to do so. After all, it’s not impossible that key justices might, for example, be compromised, blackmailed, threatened or corrupted or otherwise unable to perform their duty.

        I am not discussing the 2 – 4 year options of detoxing the pond while we have chances to stop the acid dumpster going in in the first place.

        Anything done now is so much easier than gifting corrupt people 2 years of court packing and executive ordering to embed the cheating.

        Let’s discuss the options now…

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          Make no mistake, the point of this post is to say that there are options to protect the US constitution even if SCOTUS fails to do so.

          LOL

          After all, it’s not impossible that key justices might, for example, be compromised, blackmailed, threatened or corrupted or otherwise unable to perform their duty.

          Evidence? Of course not. But let’s just float the wholly unsubstantiated idea anyway.

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            Dennis

            Why are commentators such as you obviously so much in panic regarding election irregularities being investigated?

            Not supportive of democracy?

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              If you support democracy, you support the result – even if your preferred candidate lost.

              If you query the process, then you do so beforehand, and you look to impartial external observers to adjudicate.

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                Dennis

                You are not well informed, or deliberately ignore the irregularities during the election.

                By the way, President Trump did “query the process” a number of times well before the election was conducted, and with due regard for the 2016 presidential election irregularities.

                But as you must know the elections are conducted by State Governments and certified by them.

                So your comment is misguided or mischief making.

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                Kalm Keith

                Exactly: totally agree .

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                Harves

                So you knew about the process whereby voting would be halted and observers would be excluded – and then hundreds of thousands of votes would be counted at 4am? But only in swing states where Trump was leading?
                I’m sure no Republicans were told in advance that this was the ‘approved’ process.

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                Yonason

                You can’t investigate a crime that hasn’t happened yet. By saying you can only investigate before it occurs, you are saying it can never be investigated.

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                Lucky

                Slarty- wants “impartial external observers to adjudicate”.

                (Well there is me and there is you, and I am not so sure about you.)

                Note that observation and adjudication are somewhat inhibited from behind a window with cardboard over it.

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            Yonason

            A court telling a victim he has no standing in bringing charges against the crime he’s a victim of is all the evidence I need that the court is either corrupt or incompetent, or both.

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            North Vega

            I could link articles of law firms all over the USA withdrawing from election fraud lawsuits, from Progressive pressure, as indicated by the former Wisconsin Judge below, but you can Duck Duck Go it for yourself. And I mean that for real, because the MSM and big tech are hiding all these stories. YouTube is even deleting GOP lawyers opening statements given in Congressional hearings.

            https://www.theepochtimes.com/former-wisconsin-judge-our-court-system-has-been-deeply-intimidated-by-the-left_3625725.html

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    Geoff Sherrington

    Still troubled by the absence of a prominent Dem or two standing up in public to say “We are confident the election was ok, but let us know of any tests that we can do jointly and peacefully to work out just what went on.” Geoff S

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      OriginalSteve

      It appears they have an interest to spread the scourge of communism to the USA….that seems to be the only reason you would ignore rampant evidence of election corruption….

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        The reason election fraud is being ignored is that the weaponization of hate by the MSM has driven so many on the left to accept the fraud as acceptable means to an end.

        Hate is such a powerful emotional trigger, it almost always transcends ethics, morality, logic and reason. It has blinded so many to the dangers of centralized control, it turns them into useful idiots. Kind of like what happened in the Invasion of the Body Snatchers, except that the alien spore is hate.

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          Rupert Ashford

          …and that’s unfortunately not only limited to the “the left” or “the Democrats”. There are many of supposedly Trump’s people on the Republican side who are sufficiently aligned with the swamp to go along with this fraud just to get rid of him, and then they reckon they can fix this later (or one would hope so). And it’s disgusting. Sad part is you do not re-cork a Champagne bottle and they will be just as powerful to fix any of these things they’re allowing now. Society will be left to suffer for it. And this rumour about the justices denying these cases “because we have riots” is like feeding a 10 metre crocodile – it will not stop.

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        Lucky

        Better explanation-
        It is from self-interest, the amount of money from control of the spoils of office is so large, many are on the take, they know what to do the protect the system. If what they need to do is illegal, they have mates to protect them.
        Self-interest is good but there has to be supervisory systems and free speech, both now squelched.
        Ideology, communism, wokism or whatever, motivates very few.

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          Richard Jenkins

          True but some corrupt people use the Republican party. Romney is nuts. I would investigate all Rinos. Why are they afraid of Trump? Are they swamp dwellers? The Bush family wealth and control could fear the scrutiny Trump’s family survived. Obamacare would be solved but some Republicans seemed obliged to facets of medical interests. Trump said he knew there is corruption in construction but it is minor compared to politics. Trump also added that he had know idea who he could trust. Our Liberal Party were easily fooled by Malcolm Turnbull. Turnbull’s business partners were a screaming warning about his devotion.

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          Ted O'Brien.

          For them, it’s ideology.

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    Simon

    I have an alternative theory. Nobody was going to vote for Trump given the complete incompetence of the last four years. He therefore paid Dominion to siphon off votes during the day. Unfortunately, god-fearing Republicans go to bed early and they forgot to keep the machines running overnight. The voting patterns give me all of the proof that I need. That fact that you can’t prove that I am wrong clearly shows that I am correct.

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      Analitik

      If you could present enough basis for your allegation, the another election for the affected states is also merited.

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        So Simon, Good to hear you endorse the rerun election and you’ll also accept the result of an election with paper ballots and Voter ID because, yeah, Biden was “bringing in big crowds” of Trump haters wasn’t he?

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          Slithers

          Hi Jo and People,
          The Woke idiots who only voted just a few times illegally are the real worry, They can see no fault therein, and say to themselves ‘well I needed to push Joe over the line’!

          A plebiscite or up/down vote for Trump/Biden is needed to sort out this un-holy mess.

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      Mike Jonas

      I haven’t followed in detail, but I think Florida disproves your theory: no vote-counting delay and a big win for Donald Trump. Probably a few other places too.

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      Just Thinkin'

      Get your hands off it, mate.

      you’ll go blind(er).

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      Graham Richards

      You will do permanent damage to yourself if you keep smoking that weed!

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      Yonniestone

      Your endless diatribe of misinformation regarding the election and Trump simply shows that like you the swamp and its creatures want the great reset at any cost.

      So in kind Patriots will enact their great reset of the true Democratic process for it was based on the ideal of a certain level of honesty and integrity within individuals for it to work.

      When that level becomes an imbalance towards tyranny rebellion is a duty, enjoy the ride.

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      Tarquin Wombat-Carruthers

      So, Simon, how do you explain the retention of so many Republican seats?

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      “That fact that you can’t prove that I am wrong clearly shows that I am correct.”

      The fact that you can’t prove that the climate alarmism you support has any foundation in science, truth or logic shows that I am unambiguously correct that what the IPCC calls scientific support for centralized control is an embarrassment to all legitimate science.

      Do know what a useful idiot is?

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    Binny Pegler

    Common sense solution …. The networks will fight it till death.

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    Gerard

    As much as I would like to believe that Biden lost the election. Trump was/ is s fool he could of easily won the the election if took the the Covid crisis seriously. I don’t think the result as it now stands will be reversed

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      Peter C

      All wrong Gerard.

      Trump Not A Fool. He Did Win the election. Covid not a very important factor. Result Will Be reversed.

      But Believe what you will.

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      John R Smith

      “if (he) took the the Covid crisis seriously”.

      Virtue Signaling speak that irks me.
      A style complaint.
      Not demonstrating sufficient concern.
      No BLM sign in your window?
      Not driving a Prius?
      Excuse me sir, here is your citation for ‘failure to demonstrate seriousness’.
      Questioning authority is a clear indication of lack of seriousness bordering on conspiratorial wrong think.
      Just ask Google and Twitter.
      (Can’t mention that DJT stopped flights from Chyna and the Democrats tried to stop it, since pointing out inconvenient historical fact can be an indication of lack of seriousness.)

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        John R Smith

        Oh …
        and we’re gonna get four years of ‘journalists’ taking their jobs ‘seriously’ by asking Joe and Kamala probing questions like “do your pets love you as much as the American people do?”

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        Ted O'Brien.

        I beg your pardon there, but I once took a Prius for a test drive and it was a beautiful car which would be fun to own and drive if you weren’t minimising the damage to the hip pocket. I would expect the CH-R, also a beautiful car to drive with very interesting engineering, would leave it in the shade on overall costs.

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          They are both ugly and under powered. The only thing they are good at is stop and go traffic, which is a moot point in California as they are allowed to use the car pool lanes negating their only redeeming benefit. Even uglier are the virtue signalers who have allowed themselves to be deluded into thinking that driving a Pious is somehow saving the planet. The depth of their delusion is clearly evident by the requisite Obama, Hillary or Biden bumper sticker.

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      Fuel Filter

      Ah, yes, Simple Simon.

      The old Ad Hominem attack mixed in with an “example” that has absolutely nothing to do with the present thread.

      You really know how to make a coherent argument. I stand in awe.

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      RickWill

      There were irregularities in the counting in all the states where fraud occurred. This link has the Florida count:
      https://1drv.ms/b/s!Aq1iAj8Yo7jNg33XUBoqfvFHvJMr
      Note that there are jumps in the counts but they are always in sync. Similar proportion for both candidates in each jump.

      Contrast Michigan with Florida:
      https://1drv.ms/b/s!Aq1iAj8Yo7jNg38P79IReFbL5SA8
      Massive exclusive jump for Biden about 12 hours into the count.

      This is Ohio:
      https://1drv.ms/b/s!Aq1iAj8Yo7jNhAC1GMS_5lxSfAMi
      Biden initially ahead with matching jumps in count with Trump but Trump eventually pulls ahead after 2 hours of counting and stays ahead.

      Pennsylvania very strange with massive plusses and minuses for both early on then Biden keeps getting exclusive votes until he forges ahead after more than two days of counting:
      https://1drv.ms/b/s!Aq1iAj8Yo7jNhAFRTOcWzd6jFoHw
      They just kept finding votes for Biden but none for Trump.

      The big basket of almost exclusive Biden votes were found about 10 hours into the count in Wisconsin:
      https://1drv.ms/b/s!Aq1iAj8Yo7jNhAFRTOcWzd6jFoHw
      That was all it took to swing Wisconsin from Trump to Biden.

      This data comes from the NYT feed that was supplied automatically from the counting computers.

      I can see future US elections evolving to where candidates do not bother to electioneer, like Biden this time, because it is expensive. Just engage Chinese printers to produce literally billions of balllots and mail them in for counting. The printing will be low cost and the vote is the cost of postage. No one will actually bother counting the number of votes, just the difference matters. Or the other option, just cosy up to the Chinese owners of Dominion and make certain there are enough states using their system to make a difference.

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      John R Smith

      Hey Gerard, FYI
      I just arrived at the smoldering ruin of my small business.
      I work weekends. Actually working Christmas day.
      Having difficulty figuring out what to do productively to help my situation.
      But, I want to assure you I am taking it ‘seriously’.
      Which should be enough, right?
      It is evidenced by the deepening furrow in my brow and my declining health from stress.
      I can’t decide whether I would trade a case of C for the survival of my livelihood.
      Oh wait … I have a chance to experience both!
      Considering that a learned medical ethicist at U pf Penn stated in the NYT that white people make up too large a segment of the elderly population and should be denied the vax in order to “level the playing field”.
      I think Biden’s new vax czar said something similar.
      Yet another example of empty Virtue Signaling, since anyone with enough money will be able to get it if they want.

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      Rupert Ashford

      The question to ask to the ones who constantly whinge about “Orange Man not taking COVID seriously” or “Orange Man mismanaging the pandemic” is: “So do you self isolate 100%, wfh only and not go out at all? Do you support the “Australian” option of completely locking your borders to EVERYBODY?” I guess somewhere the typical American mindset or Democrat mindset is going to become non-complaint. You will not be able to lock down Americans for 140+ days like what happened to the folks in Melbourne – there will be blood on the streets.

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    Serp

    Has there ever been so much talk without effect? The forty-fifth day passed and the DNI report was not fully gestated? Forget there was ever talk of it, you know, it’s simply another stillborn initiative incinerated a few days ago but nobody’s game to confirm that.

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    Peter C

    Things MSNBBCNN won’t mention that Michael Flynn suggests are possible:

    President Trump could seize all the Dominion machines — on his order.
    Trump could rerun the elections in swing states,
    Martial law is one option, but by no means the only one, and has been instigated 64 times already in US history.

    As it happened I watched this video interview earlier.

    What happens now? Simon Parkes says Trump has been taking advice.

    From my own, admittedly uninformed point of view, I don’t see how Trump can overturn Deep State Narrative (including the MSM) without a circuit breaker.
    The Circuit breaker is likely proclamation of the Insurrection Act or some similar instrument. Martial Law over the Christmas period?

    Yesterday I posted about the 100 year conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn. Please go outside at sunset and watch it . You won’t see this particular event again. Some one else compared it to the Christmas Star which presaged a new beginning.

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      Lawrie

      You are right about needing a circuit breaker big enough to make the MSM report it. The American public have got to be awakened to the fraud and the steal. If they knew half the things being reported on the alternate media I believe most would demand an audit in the swing states. The obstruction by state officials is damning in and of itself. They are not just covering up their ineptitude but their failure to follow the rules and in some cases their complicity.

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        Fuel Filter

        Lawrie, be assured, at least 74-78+ million Republicans already are.

        And a significant percentage of Democrats are as well. Something like 20-25+% last I checked.

        Of course, you’ll never hear even a hint of that from ABC-NBC-CBS-CNN-MSNBC and, increasingly, FoxNews.

        They all do what their corporate masters order.

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          Fuel Filter

          AND…

          As Jo’s masthead proclaimes:

          “A perfectly good civilization is going to waste…”

          Which is precisely what will happen to mine AND yours if Biden (really, Harris and China) occupies 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

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          Ted O'Brien.

          “what their corporate masters order.”.

          It struck me that when some Sky commentators switched their call that this wasn’t real, couldn’t be.

          So why the switch? It looks like part of a plan to me. Could it be from fear of being shut down? Have they been threatened? Is it in preparation for some other event we are not aware of yet?

          They could not defend against an accusation of bias. Thank Heaven for their bias. Without it the communists would have gained full control years ago.

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      RossP

      PeterC and others, I think the circuit breaker will be the information that comes off the Frankfurt servers. It has been extremely quiet in relation to this issue for a few weeks. They did not go to all that trouble very soon after election day for nothing. President Trump has appeared to be relatively calm since the election, even though his frustration has shown through a couple of times. He either has nerves of titanium (as opposed to steel) or he knows he has the answer to the problem but has been persuaded to try the legal channels first.
      Bill Barr was CIA originally –maybe he got out of the way because he knew the hammer was coming down on the CIA ( the servers were supposedly CIA controlled )
      Jo highlighted in her thread, about the speech he gave a week or so back, that was said and how it was delivered was significant –history will show that was very important.

      From another blog:

      * Patrick Byrne: On election night in the United States, bandwidth between the United States and Frankfurt Germany reached a new record: DE-CIX Frankfurt hits 10 Tbps peak traffic – DE-CIX
      * Dr. Keshavarz-Nia: Results were forwarded to servers located in Frankfurt, Germany.
      * Col. Phil Waldron: We observed packet traffic going to a server in Frankfurt, Germany.

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    David Maddison

    I think President Trump should rerun the elections in all states with fraudulent results. The Insurrection Act should be invoked and the military should run the elections. One hundred percent identity confirmation should be required. Time is running out. This needs urgent attention.

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      What can I say?
      Once more into the fray.
      Open society, truth to data
      Rules, ’tis Nature’s* way.

      * Galileo, Darwin, Einstein,
      also say ‘Data via Tests.’

      ( Come in Ruari.)

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      Fuel Filter

      Nail, meet hammer, David.

      If anybody can get the Lou Dobbs program on Fox Business @ 1500 Arizona time weekdays, his last few broadcasts have been stellar.

      On Thursday almost his entire show was dedicated to the massive cyber warfare that has hit the U.S. (and probably yours and other Western countries) by the combined forces of Russia, China and Iran. It’s so deep and wide there is no way I can describe it here.

      He’s had cyber experts on and yesterday he had Gen. Flynn on as well.

      He is the only one left on Fox that can speak the truth. All others are cucked, including Tucker.

      Dobbs can stay above the corporate masters because he owns his own show. He is the only one on Fox that does. Ergo, he can, and does, speak the truth, come what may.

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      RickWill

      Appears to be the same information here but does not require registering:
      https://mediadailynews.com/georgia-to-conduct-statewide-check-of-signatures-on-mail-in-ballots-raffensperger/

      I note that the Governor states:

      He asserted that the audits “will not change the outcome of the November election.”

      So not relevant to November but may be useful for the elections to come.

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        sophocles

        The Presidential result has proven so successful, as far as the Dems and Raffensperger can see that Raffensperger is reputed to be plotting to repeat it for the Senate election for 9th of January.

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      Analitik

      Which confirms that Raffensperger and the senators are all Never Trump, RINOs

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        sophocles

        The things one can find on-line. Or the things one trips over on line!

        Did you know the Great Barrier Reef once had a “floating hotel” to show off it’s coral?

        Found on YouTube:

        Slightly Off Topic but I hope Jo shows this to Jen and Peter, et al 😀

        This link may work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzVEnC5LZpc

        If it doesn’t, enter into YouTube’s “Search” field:

        “The World’s First Floating Hotel Abandoned In North Korea”

        Sit back and enjoy.

        Considering it started off at the GBR and Korea is where it’s ended up, it shows JCU has missed tourism opportunities …. (# Evil Grin!) Maybe there’s a calling for a Mr Terence Hughes after all. He’s the Professor who surveys Coral Reefs from a high flying aircraft, isn’t he? And then pronounces on Coral Health with no evidence?

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          Ted O'Brien.

          How big is the world in North Korea?

          I had forgotten it and don’t remember just where it was, but from memory it didn’t make a profit. Maybe today it could have.

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        Lawrie

        Which should lead to all those Republican Trump voters withdrawing their support for the RINOs. What is the point of voting for your President if fellow Republicans in positions of power fail to support you. Hopefully in the next round of elections all these barnacles on the a..e of progress will be unceremoniously removed from office. I also hope that Republican voters are letting RINOs and Never-Trumpers know that their tenures will be terminated. Make sure Mitch and his Chinese bride are on the chopping block.

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    Serp

    Nobody wants to be seen as the dope who didn’t lock the gate against Trump; so what if he’s right, all the people able to influence events agree nobody is up to undergoing another four years of his dismembering their apparatus which could be decisive in actually breaking the Soetoro grip at the swamp juggernaut’s helm.

    Surely someone will go rogue…

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      Fuel Filter

      Serp, I politely disagree.

      “… nobody is up to undergoing another four years of his dismembering their apparatus…”

      Gen. Flynn. Sid Powell. Lin Wood. Devin Nunes. Ron Johnson. The Amistad Project. The Epoch Times. The New York Post. Vox Day.

      74-78+ million voters. Et Al.

      “Surely someone will go rouge.”

      See above.

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    Fuel Filter

    Wild will be wild!!!!

    *****

    President Trump calls upon the American people:

    Peter Navarro releases 36-page report alleging election fraud ‘more than sufficient’ to swing victory to Trump. A great report by Peter. Statistically impossible to have lost the 2020 Election. Big protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!

    Interesting that President Trump should mention a specific date. He’s also specifically mentioned the need to fight.

    Republican Senators have to get tougher, or you won’t have a Republican Party anymore. We won the Presidential Election, by a lot. FIGHT FOR IT. Don’t let them take it away! 
    ****

    RTWT, including the embedded links.

    Screw the comments. A good portion of them rail against the boomers, of which I am one. (I can’t understand the hatred towards them except for greed.)

    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2020/12/will-be-wild.html

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    Harry Passfield

    Jo, I was annoyed by a short piece on the front page of UK’s Saturday Daily Telegraph so I took up pen to blast the Editor:

    Sir,

    It is about time the press and national news organisations stopped their (unconscious?) bias against President Trump. There are dual standards – and none – at play here.

    In your front-page ‘World’ item in Saturday’s Daily Telegraph you made two distinct indications of bias and one of implied bias.

    In the main paragraph of the small piece you talked about the fund that the President’s Political Action Committee has set up and go on to say that it has been driven by the events of the recent election and, ‘centres on Mr Trump’s unproven claim of voter fraud.’

    1. ‘Mr Trump’ is still President of the USA: you may not like the man but you should respect the office
    2. You (and the BBC etc) continue to say that there are ‘unproven claims of fraud’ – yet, when there is a (rare) report of the goings on in the (presumed-to-be) President-elect’s family you claim these to be ‘allegations’. Implied bias. Well, aren’t ‘allegations’ also ‘unproven claims’? President Trump’s camp have submitted many allegations of fraud backed up with legal affidavits and loads of evidence: they remain unproven because they have not been given the chance to prove them in court because of technical and procedural stone-walling.

    It is a disgrace to the News profession that it has not allowed the fresh-air of discovery to be allowed to fumigate the disgrace that is called the free-and-fair elections in the USA. I think News corporations will live to regret this dereliction of their duty.

    Yours,

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    Harry Passfield

    I’m really quite intrigued: If Biden had ls the election and produced unproven claims of voter fraud there would, I believe, be riots in the streets with BLM, Antifa and all the other cults, making sure they all got their big TVs for free for the holidays to come. There would be absolute mayhem – with the irony of those districts being wrecked calling on the same police forces to protect them who they were, previously, demanding should be defunded.
    But where are the GOP rioters??

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    Ruairi

    It’s not about Trump anymore,
    But the U.S. had best not ignore,
    The oath to the nation,
    At inauguration,
    That incoming presidents swore.

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    Zigmaster

    Whilst I would love to believe that the apparent result can be unwound and Trump reinstated their needs to be a DOJ effort to identify , arrest and charge individuals with their role in the fraud. At this stage it’s only that we have obvious evidence that points to fraud but no confessions. The woman supervisor in the Georgia CCTV footage would be a good start. We have clear observation of activity where fraud is the only plausible explanation for what is happening. For her role she probably faces 10-12 years in jail. If she is given some clemency to dob in others who told her the chain of fraud could quickly be revealed. Innocent participants will quickly pass on information that will enable investigators to identify and charge coconspirators higher up the chain.
    Even if this cannot be done in the time left even one arrested and charged now will enable the media and the public at large to realise that indeed the election was stolen. Any action then that needs to be taken by Trump to secure his position in taking whatever measures needed to retain power will be justified in the eyes of the American public.
    Whilst the Georgia women in the CCTV is the starting point ,it should be easy to identify the equivalent supervisor in Michigan and Wisconsin who were in charge when the vote count stopped and Biden dumps occurred in the middle of the night.
    Nothing like the prospect of long jail time to loosen a few tongues.
    The only issue with my idea is it relies on at least one person in authority at the DOJ or whatever appropriate law enforcement organisation to not be corrupt and willing to do their job. It might be difficult to find such a person.

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    Fichael Flynn was investigated for lying to the fBI and he was fired for lying to Vice President Pence. He is NOT a credible witness.

    And it’s too late for witnesses. It’s all over. It was all over on December 14. Biden is the next President. Whether we like it or not. And if Democrats turn on him, for the Biden Crime Family influence peddling, or at least for income tax evasion, then Kamala Harris is president. And she’s even worse. Which may be why Biden picked her.

    There is strong evidence of more fraud than usual in this election. That was expected, with so many mail in ballots. But nothing was done about it in six weeks, by December 14, so the election is settled, no matter how dishonest it was.

    If you want to believe that six weeks of investigation didn’t change any judges’ minds, but important new evidence, or confessions of fraud, will suddenly emerge — sure there’s a slim chance of that happening. And maybe even invalidating the vote in one state. A very slim chance.

    The politicians, and bureaucrats in charge of elections, do not want to admit there was fraud on their watch. And that applies to both Republicans and Democrats.

    How about new articles here on climate, or science
    Or at least focus on Georgia’s January 2021 run off election. These 2020 election ‘conspiracy theory’ articles are not educational.
    Note to JN: I’m wearing two helmets today.

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      This reads like your Christmas fantasy list. You are working hard to convince yourself you should accept Biden and do nothing. Is that why you write so aggressively — it’s your surrender-therapy? It’s a way to make you feel good for giving in.

      Thanks for your advice on how to run this blog. Hows the web traffic going on your climate site?

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    Cargill

    I read yesterday that the Top Brass have clearly stated that the US military will not get involved in US elections.

    It’s very difficult for Trump to impose martial law in any case … it’s not like the Whiskey Rebellion or the Omaha Race Riots, where there was a specific issue, with specific actors in a confined area, for a short time.

    In this case – especially as there would presumably be no active participation by the US military – what would the martial law actually “do”?

    I retain the view that none of this will come to pass. There are no riots in the streets, no large pro-Trump crowds surrounding state houses demanding that leaders “stop the steal”.

    Trump appears to have lost politically, lost judicially, and doesn’t seemed to have fired up many people in the court of public opinion.

    I just don’t think he has the support in any key area to carry out what would effectively be a military coup via martial law.

    And it could easily backfire – the voters in the six swing states could turn on him and vote against him very strongly, in any re-run election run by people in uniforms carrying guns.

    I think things will go as planned on 6 January notwithstanding the thought bubbles of Michael Flynn … we’ll see.

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    Lawrie

    Which should lead to all those Republican Trump voters withdrawing their support for the RINOs. What is the point of voting for your President if fellow Republicans in positions of power fail to support you. Hopefully in the next round of elections all these barnacles on the butt of progress will be unceremoniously removed from office. I also hope that Republican voters are letting RINOs and Never-Trumpers know that their tenures will be terminated. Make sure Mitch and his Chinese bride are on the chopping block.

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    Honest Democrat voters have no idea why half the nation thinks the election was stolen.

    You mean half of Republican voters. That is less than half of half the nation: i.e. less than a quarter (most of whom have IQs well below 100).

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      Dennis

      What’s your shoe size?

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      R.B.

      The excuse for such a high voter turnout is people who couldn’t be arsed voting at a booth or applying for a postal vote were disenfranchised … because of their high IQ?

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      BernardP

      According to various polls, between 75% and 80% of Republicans think the election was stolen. As for Democrats, Between 10% and 25% think the election was stolen. That should be good for about 50% of the nation.

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    The president does not have the power to re-run elections just because he lost. There is just the minor inconvenience of the constitution to abide by.

    This post is half way to Dagenham!

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    R.B.

    The media have ignored that Trump got almost 5 million votes more than Obama’s 69.5M in 2008, and lost in a landslide. They don’t downplay the significance, just pretend that it never happened.

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    OldOzzie

    the-supreme-court-denies-rumors-but-not-the-substance

    The Supreme Court has come out and made a statement denying that Chief Justice Roberts screamed in a room because they met by phone. This shows that they have been monitoring the comments since they denied the Texas lawsuit when there was no justification for “discretion” to deny taking the case. This is like asking if someone beat their spouse on Sunday, and they say no I was at church. If later caught, they simply say: Oh, sorry, I thought that was Saturday. They did not deny refusing to take the case because of protests. There were other rumors that Chief Justice Roberts on a phone call to Justice Breyer also said they will not take any case from Trump on the election.

    Should the Supreme Court be Sanctioned?

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    RoHa

    “the media do their job and report both sides of the political landscape.”

    But if they do that they will make it obvious that the two sides are just two faces of the same power block.

    One of the most depressing things about this US election is that it has converted a respectable and science-based Australian climate blog into yet another dreary blog about American political incompetence.

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    Binny Pegler

    Interesting that the Pentagon has stopped talking to Biden’s team ‘just for the holidays’ Biden’s team are denying they agreed to this.
    So it would appear the Pentagon are saying “Hold your horses man, let’s just wait and see what happens next”
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      Dennis

      Link: Note US troops recalled, home by 15 January, 2021

      https://americanmilitarynews.com/2020/12/2480471/

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        Binny Pegler

        one current defense official told the Washington Post that issues with the transition are actually attributable to Biden’s transition team, which he said tried to directly contact agencies to arrange their visits, rather than submit meeting requests through the Pentagon.

        Bit odd that old pro swamp dwellers, like the Biden team won’t know the correct protocol.
        Someone desperately trying to find out what the military know and which way they intend to jump?

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    Peter Fitzroy

    In other words – we will keep rerunning the election until you vote the way we want. A new twist for sure

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      Neil Crafter

      but the old twist of adding votes until they got the result they wanted is perfectly ok by you it would seem.

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    Ross

    All very interesting.
    Meanwhile, Biden, Harris, the Democrats and even the Republicans have moved on.
    Martial law? Laughable and very desperate.
    Get past this.

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