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Thank Bigotry from The Party of Peace for the shy voter effect

The bullies in the media and academic wings of The Democrats made it dangerous to reveal voting intentions

US FlagIn the Media-Bubble Donald Trump is a psychopathic, narcissist, and cowardly Nazi. And what kind of person would vote for that?  Mostly bad people. Hillbillies, old people. Toxic males — and who wants to be one of those? Even though 60 million Americans voted for Donald Trump, the ABC and CNN seem to find the gun toting militia and lonely hermits with a 6 inch beard. The only attractive Trump voters were reformed ones who were voting for Biden.

Psychology Today reviewed Trump voters and actually talks of “dog whistles” Trump sends to “bigoted supporters”, especially the evil kind of whites that don’t mix with minorities. Trump voters suffer from Authoritarian Personality Syndrome. Indeed, “support for Trump is correlated with a standard scale of modern racism.” So there. The strongest predictors of Trump support were the zip codes with more racial and ethnic isolation … because Trump voters were post code robots.

The Party of Tolerance created the toxic hate-fest of Trump voters with righteous indignation, degradation and humiliation. Everyone got the message.

Bullying is a brittle facade

A phase shift can happen once there is a critical mass. When people realize that it’s OK to shout from the rooftops, boats and highways, the bluff cracks. Is that why spontaneous rallies are breaking out all over the US? (There are two images here, and they may not show in  Firefox. If you can’t see it, watch the top one here.



When nearly all the pollsters were spectacularly wrong in 2016, the Trafalgar group correctly predicted the key swing states. They found a way to count the silent Trump voters.

Bookworm says “the Trafalgar Group Might be undercounting.

Instead of asking people how they planned to vote, it asked them how they thought their neighbors would vote:

[T]he secret sauce used by Trafalgar to try to find “hidden” Trump voters is asking people whom they think their neighbors will vote for. The idea is that someone might be more candid about their own preference for Trump if you couch your question in terms of whether someone they know might support him. Is there any method to that madness? According to a new study, yes.

A new online study finds that Republicans and independents are twice as likely as Democrats to say they would not give their true opinion in a telephone poll question about their preference for president in the 2020 election. That raises the possibility that polls understate support for President Donald Trump.

Some 11.7% of Republicans and 10.5% independents said they would not give their true opinion, vs. 5.4% of Democrats, according to the study by CloudResearch LLC…

Which sounds like a good trick to get people to fess up. The problem is, when they live in an inner city stronghold their neighbours probably will all vote for Biden so the trick fails to find the Trump support deep in enemy territory (such as it may exist).

After four years of RussiaGate Hate, the Trump voters are even more shy than in 2016:

Positive Trump Polls Spark Debate by Johnathon Easly, The Hill

Trafalgar’s Robert Cahaly says there is a hidden Trump vote that is not being accounted for in polls that show Biden on a glide path to the White House.

“There are more [shy Trump voters] than last time and it’s not even a contest,” Cahaly said, adding that it’s “quite possible” that the polling industry is headed for a catastrophic miss in 2020.

But don’t go counting chickens yet, especially Chickens-We-Really-Want-Hatched. The Uni of Southern California’s Dornside Center had Trump winning the popular vote in 2016 but now it has him 11% behind. Crazy right? When they try to pry out the shy voter, they ask who do they think their social circle will vote for, and that narrows to lead to 5 points. When they ask, “who do you expect to win” the people watching relentless Biden-Winning-Polls put Trump ahead by just one point.

Beware, Manners Matters…

While Trump voters feel they have to keep a low profile in certain circles, there are other circles where there is only one permitted view of Coronavirus, and it applies in opposite ways to both ends of the political spectrum. In nearly every other democracy, the polls rewarded leaders that dealt with the virus decisively, and who stopped it getting  in.  One US leader is the obvious choice for border control, but it’s not even on the agenda.

There may be a silent Covid vote too.

 

 

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113 comments to Thank Bigotry from The Party of Peace for the shy voter effect

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    Mike Smith

    I never reveal my voting intentions or actual vote to those who are running surveys or campaigning for a candidate.

    I simply remind them of our right to a secret ballot and everyone seems to respect that and stop bugging me.

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      Same here Mike and just to expand on that if I may. In Australia (and doubtless elsewhere) the older generations were brought up on the advice to never talk publicly about politics or religion. I suspect there is still a strong contingent who adhere to that advice. Unsolicited phone calls from people asking how much was your last electricity bill or are you the home owner are seen by many as an invasion of privacy. Probably very similar to when asked about voting intentions.
      Upon attending a polling place, many people will accept how to vote cards from all parties or none at all. Obviously unwilling to signal their intentions publicly.
      IMO polling is not much more than an educated guess.

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    Jojodogfacedboy

    In Canada, the media is in full blown Trump Derangement Syndrome with Biden winning this election and just a waste of time to watch it now with how much ahead Biden is.

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      RickWill

      Australians will view a Trump win as proof the voters in the USA are crazy. The only thing mentioned here on the Trump rallies is that they super spreader events for Covid.

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        Just Thinkin'

        Speak for yourself, young fella.

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          Kalm Keith

          :-) I think Rick has been misinterpreted.

          Probably meant “most Australians”.

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            Deano

            Presumptuous of me probably, but maybe RickWill meant the MSM here in Oz will, as usual ‘speak for all of us’ and claim we all think Trump supporters are nuts.

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        OriginalSteve

        Its a matter of exercising wisdom.

        If people understand economics and preserving the soverignty of the US and rule of law, they will vote for Trump.

        Those who value rank lawlessness and burning of cities, promoting of runaway destruction of morals and enslavement under PC and marxism will vote for the other mob.

        Yep…hard choice. Not.

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          el gordo

          Surely you exaggerate, that is rank nonsense.

          The Democrats are centre left who intend to implement change, if they win both houses, such as gun law reform and universal health coverage. Do you have a problem with that?

          Biden is showing signs of senile dementia, which is not a good look for the leader of the ‘free world’. So we should expect Harris to become the first female president of the USA sometime next year.

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            MP

            All those tree’s still blocking your view of the forest.

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            El Gordo, maybe you missed Jos post a while back with Tom Klingenstein saying this was the most important election since 1860.

            Some years back I remember reading about a UK politician who had correctly warned on the Nazis, Stalin and the Iron Curtain. The interviewer seemed amazed and asked him how he had done it. He said “all I did was listen to what they were saying and take note of what they were doing”. Here we are in the same situation. If one applies the same logic with the Democrats we see the crime waves and lawlessness as the defund the police caravan is starting, we see the censorship of Big Tech, we see a mad desire to destroy the fossil fuel industry with no substitute and various other warning signs.

            The Democrats cannot be compared to past administrations. The rhetoric is far more vile and we see them implementing their appalling policies in their cities, think Portland with Antifa roaming free and no police. I have heard some say that if they get in there will be no more chance for any other party to be elected – look to the old Soviet Union and that is exactly what happened there.

            Those who claim that they are centre left have been asleep these last 4 years. Tom Klingenstein is absolutely correct, we are at a fork in the road – one leads to a continuation of the freedom and prosperity we have seen up to now. The other leads to a nightmare that will only end badly….

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            OriginalSteve

            Surely thou jest…..

            Centre left…um…no…..hard left/Stalinist is closer to the mark.

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              OriginalSteve

              Response to EG who I think is tongue in cheek…I hope….

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                MP

                No he means it, think he votes for the Bi-polar party.

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                el gordo

                Yes of course, gun law reform and universal health coverage are now impossible to implement. From an outside perspective it looks like a failed state, but I think not. Its their culture.

                MP the utopian socialists don’t vote for losers.

                All of you seem a little overwrought with the outcome of this election, don’t concern yourselves unnecessarily, the idea of repetitive cycles in political history is just a myth.

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                Analitik

                el gordo sees the CCP as a benevolent dictatorship ,guided by infinitely wise Xi Jinping. As such, any legislation that draws a country closer to equivalent government control of the population and economy MUST be a good thing (in his eyes).

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                el gordo

                The CCP see themselves as a benevolent dictatorship, with the aim of lifting the world out of poverty. Never forget they produced the greatest economic revolution the world has ever seen.

                I see them more as fascists who should be kept at arms length. Covid was being designed as a first strike WMD, how is that going?

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            TedM

            elgordo you forgot to add sarc.

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            Lucky

            ‘Democrats are centre left’ Not so-
            Democrats are the party that is owned by plutocrats/oligarchs/press barons/banksters, not all of them American, the world’s richest, with China’s representatives of that class getting a share.

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            Can you detail what gun laws you would reform? How would those reforms affect gun violence in the US? Please be specific. For instance, give specifics on how you would stop gun violence in Chicago with new, reformed gun laws.

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        Socialists who hate their country it seems all have TDS

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        That this election is so close shows the world that American voters are too stupid and gullible to make a choice in their own best interests. Instead, far too many have allowed themselves to be swayed by 4 years of constant lies and hate mongering targeting Trump and coming from the MSM, the power seeking Socialists and big data.

        If Trump ends up loosing, the great American experiment in freedom will end and short of a revolution will never return. Freedom loving people world wide better be scared because if freedom looses in America, it will have little chance of prevailing anywhere else in the world.

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    David Wojick

    Wonderful analysis! There was a poll that asked people who they thought would win and Trump won by way more than one point. Woohoo.

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      OriginalSteve

      David, are the infamous laptops of certain people being talked about?

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        David Wojick

        My guess is yes on the right but not so much on the left. It’s an easy issue to ignore. A war on the oil industry is much more personal. People see what happened to coal.

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        Hivemind

        The news of the laptops is being suppressed. When it finally came out, they pretended there was no evidence tying them to Hunter Biden.

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    David Wojick

    The polls in the swing states are looking a lot closer than just a week ago. Interestingly the spread of results seems to be widening.

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/

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    AZ1971

    There may be a silent Covid vote too.

    Well one thing is certain, Joe Biden sure as sh*t isn’t going to stop the virus any more than Trump did. Pinning all hope on a vaccine that doesn’t have the hoped-for polio immunity duration conveyed before opening the economy means what, exactly? Perpetual shutdowns, a collapse of the national economy, insane levels of exploding debt, and claims it’s all Trump’s fault?

    We’ve seen this play out with the 2008 economic collapse and Obama-Biden blaming Bush for eight long years as to his lowest-ever anemic economic recovery. It’s only to be expected a Biden win would see the same exact thing play out with the pandemic.

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      el gordo

      Donald would be home in a landslide if he had done a Morrison, treating the virus as a weapon of mass destruction straight from the Wuhan lab. Unfortunately, thinking it might be another Chinese hoax, he vacillated and lost political traction.

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        Strop

        El Gordo. I don’t recall Trump treating it as a Chinese hoax or even suggesting it was. He closed the US border to flights from China before Australia did.

        The only time I recall him using the word hoax in relation to covid-19 was when he said the Democrats claims about Trump’s response were another Democrat hoax. He wasn’t saying the virus itself was a hoax. Although many media outlets falsely reported at the time and have repeated since that Trump called the virus a hoax.

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          el gordo

          Calling it Wuflu sent the wrong message to the masses.

          By comparison, Morrison went on a war footage and got all the states onboard. It was magnificent and now with our comrades across the gap we’ll have a Trans Tasman Bubble.

          Where do you see the US in a year’s time?

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            Sceptical Sam

            More importantly el gordo, where do you see Australia in a year’s time, when the WUflu comes back with a vengeance and still no vaccine?

            Bubbles have a tendency to burst.

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              el gordo

              We don’t need a vaccine, strict border controls should keep out the riff raff. Border security will be beefed up and the bubble should hold firm.

              In a year’s time people will no longer be getting flu jabs, a happy and healthy society living at a slower pace. Now that immigration has come to a stop, we might take the time to rediscover who we are as a nation.

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              ScoMo has been good but not great. Could’ve been so much better.

              He was three weeks late closing the borders, didn’t find ways to bring back Australians faster (though this is also a state govt failure too). He was misled by Brendan Murphy. Accepted WHO propaganda. We had virtually no pandemic plan bar a 1918 flu scenario. Our supply lines were highly, and predictably vulnerable.

              I’m not for one second suggesting that the ALP would have done any better.

              But think of what it could have been. ScoMo could have got all the small safe states into a travel bubble, by emphasizing the importance of internal hard borders. (Note the hypocrisy — Australia has done so well because we have a hard border externally, but internally both NSW and QLD have suffered for months from letting in the Victorian virus). If ScoMo was not pushing this hypocrisy on borders, he could have restored domestic flights between WA, Tas, QLD, SA, NT and even NZ, but he is NSW centric, and like Berjiklian, the big states bully the small ones to accept their people, whether they have the virus under control or not.

              What’s the ScoMo-Berijiklian view on borders? If NSW has more virus than other states then borders are ridiculous. If NSW has less virus, they want borders.

              At the moment the Libs will be savaged in WA. Can anyone name a Liberal MP or Senator who took the side of WA as a priority over the needs of NSW/ACT?

              See the opportunity lost: NSW had almost got rid of the virus in June. If they hadn’t let the virus back in from Victoria — if they had just stopped the inflow a few weeks sooner, NSW could have hosted the ALF Grand Final and everyone in both NSW and QLD could be living with all the freedom we have in WA. No random school-gym-restuarant closures. LArge Weddings and Funerals. 30,000 people in a stadium, no problem. By July NSW could have joined the small state travel bubble — meaning every state had full domestic travel bar Victoria.

              If NSW has 0 community cases for 28 days and a hard border to Vic, McGowan would have no reason to stop the flights for the last three months.

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                Peter C

                Once the US Election is over I am looking to a full on debate about Corona Virus and the Australian response.

                both NSW and QLD have suffered for months from letting in the Victorian virus)

                Is this true? Yes there have been border breaches but did they contribute to the virus spread in Qld and NSW?

                Lock downs work to suppress the virus, I acknowledge that, but the social and economic costs are severe. Is there another better way? I think that there is a better way.

                Victoria now seems to have control of the virus. I don’t have a lot of faith in our Victoria Government and Health Department and neither does anyone else (for good reason) but so far the recent results have been NO NEW CASES for 4 CONSECUTIVE DAYS! Victorians have paid a big personal price for our government failures. We shouldn’t have to pay any more.

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            MP

            “with our comrades across the gap”

            Your colours are showing Karl, nice shade of red though.

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            Peter C

            By comparison, Morrison went on a war footage and got all the states onboard.

            Not exactly El gordo.

            Victoria went it alone on hotel quarantine. Initially we did quite well but the oversight was poor or non existent. Personal interventions by the Premier himself seems to have undone some of the good work.
            https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6206163602001

            None of the Premiers have agreed with border opening yet.

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              el gordo

              Because it was a novel experience mistakes were made, comrade Dan should have accepted the soldiers and not rely on ‘off the shelf’ security guards.

              The borders will open gradually, depending on cluster outbreaks. In Sydney there are ten suburbs on the watch list and if they can’t get their act together and eliminate the virus, then Morrison will send in the troops and close off the whole of south west Sydney.

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            Strop

            Calling it Wuflu isn’t the same as thinking it’s a Chinese hoax.

            Where do I see the USA in a years time? Absolutely no idea. I don’t even know what it’s like today.

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          MP

          Not only did Trump beat ole slomo on every move, slomo just told them to come in the back door after isolating in any country for 14 days, therefore spreading the virus to those countries, he should be charged for international crimes.
          Slomo just flapped his gums then hid behind big brother to do the fighting for him, costing us our Coal, Barley, cotton and some Meat exports to China. All so the WHO can investigate the WHO.
          Slomo has done literally nothing, hang on, the Federal government is responsible for aged care. Whats that death toll at now.

          Slomo has sent our country backwards and is the most ignored politician in history, no one listens to him except el gordo the godless.

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            el gordo

            Atheists are human too.

            Morrison was the first world leader to call it a pandemic and acted appropriately, he sounded like Churchill in his pronouncements.

            Brilliant flashes of international statesmanship from our leader, demanding an inquiry on the Wuhan outbreak, which has cost us dearly but we don’t care because it was right and just.

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              MP

              Never said you weren’t human, just godless.
              Hey I also consider myself atheist, I hope your right as if your wrong we are in a bit of a pickle.

              Rule 2 of fight club, never pick a fight you can’t finish.

              He just flaps his gums, nobody listens. You picked “he called it a pandemic first”, that’s the best thing his done. Just flapped his gums.
              Brilliant flashes of international statesmanship from our leader, you compared him to Churchill, “come on man”. (HT Joe Biden) Morrison is the embarrassment Turncoat selected him to be.
              Trump acted first, slomo just sent the virus world wide. Rattled the cage and hid under his bed, cost us billions in trade but everything we buy is from China, your right about the flash though.
              Why do you speak for us, I disagree with a majority of your views and I care.

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                el gordo

                ‘Trump acted first, slomo just sent the virus world wide.’

                You’ll need to expand upon that.

                The significant difference between the US and Oz is that Donald (being a commercial man) considered the impact of lockdown and found it wanting.

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              MP

              Here’s the list of gum flappin destruction your statesman has achieved as of today.
              Barley
              Coal
              Lobster
              Copper
              Copper Concentrate
              Beef
              Timber
              Wheat
              Still looking at banning wine.

              Trump stopped flights from China Before, your Churchill, Slomo stopped direct flights but Chinese students were told to come through other ports but quarantine for 14 days, non of the countries had quarantine facilities so they just wandered around spreading it. But you knew all this, keep digging.
              Every time his lips move people lose employment, but who cares right your getting more free stuff and your all that matters.

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    el gordo

    Indian immigrants might tip the balance in favour of Donald.

    ‘Numbering almost 2 million, Indian-American voters have traditionally supported Democrats in droves.

    ‘But increased immigration is leading to a slight conservative shift this election, as the tide of Hindu nationalism in Modi’s India reaches US shores.’

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    Kalm Keith

    A great post, especially the section that points to a possible breakthrough in public thinking;

    “Bullying is a brittle facade”.

    This election may be the one that sees a turnaround in the acceptance of manipulation by voters; maybe a whole new political world will be created where Truth Matters.

    The expose` on the totally weird group behind the AOC phenomenon was disturbing: they had only one focus, to manipulate.

    Trump has actually shown voters that the right structural changes can create a return of manufacturing industry and give people jobs. Voters have actually seen this happen and are showing that the old style of woke politics is old hat.

    Maybe a new world is close; the real world.

    KK

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    TdeF

    In circles like University staff, there are officially few or zero Republicans. People learn to say they vote Democrat, if they want their jobs. There are other professions like the law where you have to keep quiet. The intimidation is real. You have to speak in whispers in some areas because the adverse reaction if you support Trump is real. The meeting of two Republican voters is very delicate in case you are speaking to a Biden barracker.

    But it never works the other way. The Left of politics is violent, intimidatory, discriminatory and vengeful. And AntiFA, Climate Extinction, BLM are all so obviously a cover for real anarchy and real violence. And the KKK, fascism and slavery were Democrat and socialist. Wreck the joint and blame the conservatives. A standard fascist tactic. You know the press will support you.

    I suspect the polls themselves are deliberately distorted. For some reason the Democrats feel that making everyone think Trump is going to lose will encourage Democrat voters and simultaneously discourage deplorables. Why else would Nancy Pelosi say they had it in the bag. And McConnell said much the same thing.

    This is counterintuitive to Australians where you play the underdog. Clearly the manipulators in America think exactly the reverse. Then the vote in the US is voluntary. We in Australia have compulsory voting only because in one WA election, the turnout was a mere 16%.

    Whatever happens, the statistical concept of telephone polling of a 1,000 people to predict a National result across 50 states is just absurd. You have to win states, not the popular vote. There are 50 discrete battles to be won. So to claim a standard deviation in normal distribution of a single random variable of 3.162% as absolute accuracy is as fake as Climate Change. And the idea of the ‘silent’ voter has merit, along with the idea that polling is rubbish, even the results may be fake. Homogenized.

    Still polling will survive, because politicians love it. But this election will confirm that they are as useless as last time. It’s just another tool to play with public opinion.

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      TdeF

      More confirmation of the winner idea in getting out the vote. This is the Pennsylvania Attorney General, a Democrat. “If all the votes are added up in PA, Trump is going to lose.. Ignore the noise, vote!”.

      This is the accepted Democrat view that voters are only going to bother if they think they are going to win and do not care about the issues.

      Donald Trump is doing it the Australian way. Voting on real issues, for jobs and against crime and collusion and career politicans and Washington, generating vast enthusiasm and popular support and unashamedly promoting America and the American way, two things the left and the Elites detest. Americans want e pluribus unum, not a geriatric socialist sock puppet.

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        TdeF

        After all, as NY Democrat Governor Andrew Cuomo lectures, America was never that Great anyway. Supremely confident Democrat leaders running down their own country and selling it out. Unbelievable. And still elected. Democrats, the party of the Deep South who lost the civil war, spawned the KKK and now claim that Abraham Lincoln was really a white supremacist systemic racist loser. It’s simple reversal.

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          Graeme No.3

          TdeF:

          I wonder if anyone has asked him “If America** is not great, why are so many trying to get there?”

          **There are parts of the World called America that aren’t New York State.

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            So people wanting to go to the US from a bad place makes America great, when in fact it means better than bad.

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              OriginalSteve

              Its relative isnt it…..going from starvation and being dragged into child slavery to a place whereby at least you have a chance at making it is a huge step up. Having toured hospitals in 3rd world countries, the US with its poisoinously expensive health care is nirvana compared to dying poor in ahot country with parents unable to afford food or drugs….

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              FarmerDoug2

              So Gee, what might your definition of “great” be ?

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              TdeF

              Having spent half my life travelling to America I can say that if you are going to be poor, there is no place better than America. Even the poor have homes, lots of food, jobs, life, equality and opportunity. In socialist countries everyone is desperately, equally poor except elites who are incredibly rich. Consumerism generates wealth, jobs, life, security for everyone. America is the wealth engine and protector of the free world. And the only bastion against worldwide economic and social slavery. Or would you rather live in China or Venezuela?

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      Steve of Cornubia

      “In circles like University staff, there are officially few or zero Republicans. People learn to say they vote Democrat, if they want their jobs.”

      When I worked within the Australian government-funded research sector, the very same situation existed. I did not feel that my job would be under direct threat because I held conservative views, but for sure you could very quickly become a social leper and shunned, which in turn would make advancement unlikely.

      Also, whereas I and other conservatives would be reticent to enter political discussions, my colleagues of a leftist persuasion clearly felt no such inhibitions and would frequently throw politics into the mix – usually using climate change or, while he was PM, by exhibiting symptoms of Abbott Derangement Syndrome.

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    PeterS

    I still find it unthinkable any intelligent person of sound mind would prefer Biden to Trump given all the evidence. Then again there are many people who are not intelligent nor of sound mind so the result will be revealing of the American psyche to say the least. We shall see soon enough.

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    Richard Ilfeld

    But, Mr. Graeme No.3 – we have the problem in a nutshell:
    those not in New York don’t want to be New York, but are perfectly happy to let New York be New York,
    while those in New York will not rest until all other jurisdictions are precisely as miserable as themselves, and for the same reasons.
    They battle the Californians in their zeal to inflict their own special brand of misery on folks who really only wish to be left alone.

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    Richard Ilfeld

    One mans bullying an another man’s, or woman’s sarcasm. I am will to support a bill in Washington to provide, for all liberals to use free of
    charge, a room where all traces of the colorless odorless pollutant carbon dioxide have been removed from the environment, in every government building.
    There will need to be a mechanism to detect and instantly remove any sources of such pollution as may enter inadvertently. This could be easily added to the green new deal, or perhaps it is already there.

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      Graeme No.3

      Richard,
      Aa bit subtle. Would any person releasing carbon dioxide be ejected instantly (preferably from above the 15th floor)?

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    David Maddison

    Conservatives need to be careful as the present day Left have made their intentions very clear.

    They seek to do violence but it took Donald Trump to force them to reveal their true ideology and standards of behaviour.

    Prior to this, the modern Left were smart enough to hide their violent ideology and behaviour so typical of the national and international socialists of their predecessors.

    Thankfully it’s all out in the open now. I always knew they were like that but perhaps some others were mislead. This is why I don’t associate with Leftists.

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    Travis T. Jones

    Their abc tell us Planet America is the ‘go to’ place for everything US election.

    Considering Chas & John were wrong in 2016, who knows why.

    They are doubling down on the ‘wrong’ with a severe case of TDS and surprise, surprise … put down the glasses … using the same logic, ‘science’ and sources, have President Trump losing, again.

    Another four years of Planet America telling us how stupid President Trump is when Chas & John are the joke?

    I’ve put money on it.

    Of course you’re funnier than those deplorables, Chas.

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      They are just reporting the consensus- why do you equate getting the result correct with anything? The show has a broader remit than politics or election punditry.

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      Analitik

      I’m seriously looking forward to the talking heads on the ABC and SBS back-pedalling like mad as the “Blue Wave” fails to materialise and, all things going fairly, Trump wins.

      BTW, the ABC just reported on an investigation into mail in vote fraud for the Moreland council elections (an inner Melbourne council). If it can happen here, imagine the prospects in the US election.

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        TedM

        Fingers crossed Analitik.

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        Graeme No.3

        Analitik:
        When I was younger Richmond (in Melbourne) had a reputation as the place where the dead rose and voted (to the benefit of one Labour Federal MHR).
        Australia’s satisfaction with its current voting system is over rated. The safeguards have been steadily removed by both parties, and very soon we will all be expected to vote over the internet, but then I still think the best system was a ink stamp on the back of the hand of the voter. (Dye faded after a few days). I am sure someone would try to get around that but it is difficult to counterfeit hands.

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    Dennis

    Marxism, globalism, COVID-19 and the “reset” ….

    https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2020/11/cops-for-covid-truth.html

    And please sign your support for Australian Police Officers who are not accepting the way people are being treated.

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    BoyfromTottenham

    Why all the focus on tomorrow’s popular vote, when what really matters is which candidate wins the Electoral College vote, which happens in December? Have all the journos forgotten what happened in the 2016 US election? (answer – yes, probably).

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    Another Ian

    Still trying to keep voters at home

    “CDC Bails on Coronavirus Rules, Goes All In With Democrats”

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/11/02/cdc-bails-on-coronavirus-rules-goes-all-in-with-democrats/

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    Another Ian

    “Australian contributor now living in the USA with the reality of the Trump phenomenon ”

    https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2020/11/australian-contributor-now-living-in-the-usa-with-the-reality-of-the-trump-phenomenon-.htmlhttps://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2020/11/australian-contributor-now-living-in-the-usa-with-the-reality-of-the-trump-phenomenon-.html

    Not what we;d hear from “Their ABC”

    And the next thread there

    ” Perfect Lady GaGa pisstake
    Tuesday, 03 November 2020

    Here’s the original.

    I’m voting for America #vote #election2020 pic.twitter.com/bspDNkxnhJ
    — Lady Gaga (@ladygaga) October 31, 2020

    Compare and Contrast – and let me know which one you prefer!

    Ok might be one of the funniest videos ever! @samaire_samaire

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    Peter C

    Why did 56,000 people turn up to hear Donald Trump at a rally in Butler, PA? Why?

    Tucker Carlson says why.
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/11/02/tucker-carlson-love-him-or-hate-him-donald-trump-is-an-indictment-against-the-dc-ruling-class/

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      beowulf

      In the same vein, this pro-Trump message is from 2016 and from the arch-lefty Michael Moore no less, but it resonates even more strongly now that folks have had time to see what Trump has achieved despite the enemies arrayed against him.

      Moore’s heart is with the little people and he was able to put aside his loathing of the Right for long enough to pen this piece from that perspective. Good on him. He acknowledges that Trump is the iconoclastic positive game changer needed by the Forgotten Americans.

      “He is the human Molotov cocktail that they have been waiting for; the human hand-grenade that they can legally throw into the system that stole their lives from them . . .”

      WARNING: occasional coarse language

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMm5HfxNXY4

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    David Maddison

    Trump winning 2020 against the forces of unspeakable evil will be one of the greatest things that has ever happened.

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    Ruairi

    For great rallies the Donald has pull,
    Whereas Biden’s support looks so dull,
    Wall to wall MAGA hats,
    Drives the Democrats bats,
    Like the proverbial red rag to a bull.

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    WokeBuster

    Cigar smoking Robert Barnes and polling whiz Richard Baris give their final pre-election summation and predictions here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0poheg6812Q

    Also a wall of money is now coming for Trump in head to head betting. He’s broken through the $2.40 floor. Interesting to see where he ends up.

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      Fuel Filter

      Good ol’ boy Nigel Farage, God bless him, has put £10,000 down (or is it $10,000 US?…saw it on Breitbart about 0500 Arizona time) on a win for PDJT!

      Howz ‘bout them apples?

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    Henning Nielsen

    “Even though 60 million Americans voted for Donald Trump, the ABC and CNN seem to find the gun toting militia and lonely hermits with a 6 inch beard. ”

    6 inch beard? Must be that Twitter twit, Jack Dorsey.

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    Yonason

    The “Party of Peace” promises destruction if they lose.
    http://www.floppingaces.net/2020/11/02/biden-voters-threaten-to-burn-the-country-down-lock-and-load/

    Basically, what they are saying is, “If we can’t have it, no one can.”

    I’m Pretty sure that Trump is up to the challenge, though, and that Democrat terrorists will be surprised how fast and effectively he deals with them.

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    Jojodogfacedboy

    The biggest thing in President Trumps favour is that he’s a man of action.
    Rather than wait and delay and debate, he quick to fix things now and not 6 months from now.
    Professional politicians can take a couple years of getting anything done with hiring more consultants and more beating…so sad to see and say.

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      Jojodogfacedboy

      Debating and not beating with this damn word correcting gizmo.
      Government involved projects can take 5 to 6 years now due to laws and regulations imposed.

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    Matty

    Imagine if the enemies of Scott Morrison started burning the joint down?? I think Americans are privately outraged.

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    CHRIS

    What makes me laugh is that Democrats started out as a rabid right-wing Party in the Civil War era (IE; pro-slavery, KKK) and subsequently have ‘evolved’ into a pseudo-left wing Liberal Party. Don’t forget that the Democrats, whatever they say in the MSM, are still a Party of racists…leopards do not change their spots

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    John of Cloverdale

    “Tonight’s the night
    It’s gonna be alright.”
    I hope!

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    Paul Moulton

    The silly thing about calling Republicans racist is some guy called Obama. Has anybody come up with a reason that so many racist people were spontaneously created after the 2012 election of Obama?

    To the MSM, if you hear a dog whistle, perhaps you are the racist.

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