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      Graeme#4

      Is that legally correct? What happens if somebody is out walking with a “protest” message on their T-shirt? Something like “No lockdowns”? Who decides what messages are or aren’t a protest?

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        GD

        What happens if somebody is out walking with a “protest” message on their T-shirt? Something like “No lockdowns”?

        Don’t even think about it. Dan’s Gestapo will be down on you like a ton of bricks.

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          Graeme#4

          Lucky I’m not in Victoria then. But the same thing could happen in WA when the borders are reopened.

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    Dave

    Just got a GREENS political letter!

    Their Energy policy is amazing!
    Supply everything to everybody for FREE!
    They will gain the $ from Mining?

    OK! Sounds good but they will stop all mining!

    I will get FREE BATTERIES, SOLAR, SCHOOLING, MEDICAL, ELECTRICITY, TRANSPORT …..

    I suspect their plan would last about 7 hours in reality? Maybe less!

    Everything is just wonderful!

    Are there people out there that believe this stuff!

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      glen Michel

      Feely sort of stuff when you’re convinced that the planet is healing itself and the waters are receding on the back of renewable type energy. Considering that we’re in the nascent modern Idiocene epoch.

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      Lucky

      Are there people out there that believe this stuff!

      Yes indeed. The ones who watch ABC, think Dan is wonderful for strong leadership and saving thousands of lives, and join marches to favor one ethnic group.

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    glen Michel

    I am hoping that the issue about the purchase of our French redesigned submarines for 90 billion will be looked at, considering our present state. I know it’s only money- but…

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      beowulf

      The top 4 on Morrison’s to-do list on Day 1 of his PMship should have been to cancel the subs, dump the Paris agreement, get at least one more coal power station built chop-chop and reform/shut down the ABC, none of which he has made any effort to do. What a surprise.

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        beowulf

        Is there anyone out there who actually thought that Morrison’s little stunt with the lump of coal in parliament was an indication of his commitment to reliable energy and his intent?

        I’m sure his minions had to explain to him what the black stuff was as they shoved it into his hand before he entered the Chamber.

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          Serp

          While there’s life there’s its unbreakable hope ever at the ready to assist the forktongues which pose as our government.

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        el gordo

        In defence of the PM, even Donald reckons CO2 causes warming. So if you can convince Scott that carbon dioxide doesn’t cause gorebul worming, then he’ll pul out of Paris and build a couple of Hele.

        The subs are bipartisan and the ABC is untouchable unless we can convince Leaf that CO2 doesn’t warm the planet.

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        yarpos

        its really not a surpise that he didnt race off and tick off items on some other blokes list

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    Geoff Sherrington

    Amusing to read the many news reporters analysing the first USA debate and giving Donald Trump their wisdom and experiences about how he should have done it. Geoff S

    p.s. completely unrelated, seeking a favour. Anyone here with experience of body corporate law and how insurance obligations are fiddled to the financial harm of apartment owners? Victoria.

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    Furiously curious

    Watched an interview with a professor, who is advocating that math/numbers should be……. actually I’m not sure what she wants to do with them, other than declare numbers are racist, because they were used to count black slaves! Swear to god I didn’t dream it.
    And that got me thinking, and the realisation came like a bolt from the blue, that these guys aren’t going far enough, and there is a huge diabolical thing staring them right in the face, and no one is seeing it! THEY HAVE TO BAN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE! Isn’t that obvious?? It has to start in universities. All courses should be in a non colonialist language…. ie Arunta or Eskimo (is that their language?) It is quite difficult to think of a non aggressive culture. Maybe Georgian? They did have a brief golden age in the 11th century, but they have generally been much put upon, and they have a lovely script, based on vine tendrils, that would look exquisite on thesis papers. European, Middle Eastern, Asian, Central and South American, are all compromised, having been used at some stage on some imperialist venture. Comanche, Sioux, Iroquoi, yeah na.
    Yes! It just leaps out at you! Universities have to ban all imperialist languages, obviously, especially English, and everyone should be schooled in……..???… sign. Yes, sign! Perfect!
    But really stop whimping around you guys. English must be banned.

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    Analitik

    Does anyone here have any idea what the ABC and SBS have to gain by incessantly bashing Trump? Whether directly in derogatory statements by journalists or “expert” commentators or else through “documentaries” on Trump and other US politicians, they seem to be going all out to convince Australians that Americans need to vote for Biden to “save” their nation.

    What do they have to gain with this all in, partisan programming?

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      David Wojick

      They are supporting global leftism, which supports Ozzy leftism. Their message is Trump is evil so anybody who sounds or thinks like him is evil.

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      yarpos

      Kudos in their lefty echo chamber and potential employment network.

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    Dave in the States

    I was talking to a hay farmer recently. He said the yields throughout Western North America are way down this year. His own yield was 30% down compared to previous years. Everybody else throughout the his valley were observing the same.

    He said the start of the growing season was very late with with extra cold temps, especially at night, well into the early summer so that the hay never had time to grow very tall before it headed out. This was followed by a cold snap about a week after the hay finally started growing.

    The growing season came to an abrupt end early too, with a season ending snow storm followed by freezing temps the first week of Sept. I had 16 degrees F the following night. leaves started falling off the trees a month early. The cat tail were yellow by Labor Day. (The first Monday in Sept.)

    This now the fourth truncated growing season here since 2016. Cooling Trend?

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      el gordo

      Definitely appears to be so, but to confirm your suspicions we’ll need to go back in time and search for a similar decade in Western North America. I’ll have a look.

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      Furiously curious

      NOAA declared 2019 was the 2nd warmest year ever, and buried in the body of the paper, that the USA had its’34th warmest year in 150 yrs. Norway’s last two summers have been non events. The fields have been so saturated they couldn’t put machinery on them, to bring in the hay.
      I just love the coloration that the abc use on their weather maps. They have just been showing Pacific Ocean temps for La Nina. It’s terrifying – crimson to maroon. We are obviously going to be devoured by this monster.

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        el gordo

        Aunty is a disgrace, Rohan Dean should pick that up.

        Europe gives us the best chance of seeing climate change, the cool wet summers, freezing winters and a shortened growing seasons are indicative.

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        Analitik

        Last night, ABC news also presented a graph depicting a trend for average Melbourne September temperatures rising since 1970 just in case the recent cold made sheeple discount the possibility of Global Warming.

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      sophocles

      Dave in the States said:

      This now the fourth truncated growing season here since 2016. Cooling Trend?

      That’s 4 down, 46 to go!

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      Another Ian

      Along with that

      “Italy experiences the coldest September in 50 years – with snowfall”

      https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/10/01/italy-experiences-the-coldest-september-in-50-years-with-snowfall/

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    Slithers

    SEEING IS BELEIVING.
    Unfortunately most sheeple cannot see!
    Have you noticed that what ever the current topic, that there are alarmists furiously at work raising the sheeples alarm.
    Surely at some point the sheeple will recognise that the cry ‘Wolf’ is false?
    Don’t hold your breath, TV and MSN tells the sheeple all they need to know.
    For example : _
    Wayne Bennet that paragon of virtue who was above the law and could dine and circulate when ever and where ever he chose is now the Official coach for RNL Queensland on mega buck salary!
    Go for it sheeple!

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    Travis T. Jones

    97% ‘science’ CO2 induced doomsday global warming update; Australia:

    2020: BOM declares a La Niña, signalling wet spring and summer likely for northern, eastern Australia

    During a La Niña phase, Australia’s northern waters are warm with increased convection.

    This allows more moisture to be lifted into the air than normal, typically resulting in increased rain for eastern and northern Australia — but, historically, the south-east misses out.

    Will we get a repeat of 2011?

    The last major La Niña events were in the summers of 2010-11 and 2011-12.

    They resulted in 2010 to 2012 being Australia’s wettest two-year period on record.

    Flooding was widespread and devastating.

    In early 2011, large parts of South-East Queensland were under water; the Lockyer Valley was hit by a cascade of water coming off the Toowoomba range and Brisbane saw its worst flooding since 1974.

    But every La Niña is different.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-29/bom-declares-la-nina-wet-conditions-likely-for-eastern-australia/12617528

    Some recent history …

    2015: El Nino Forecasts Flop as Puzzled Scientists Wonder Why

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-05/el-nino-forecasts-flop-as-puzzled-scientists-wonder-why

    2008, BoM: This drought may never break

    “IT MAY be time to stop describing south-eastern Australia as gripped by drought and instead accept the extreme dry as permanent, one of the nation’s most senior weather experts warned yesterday.

    “Perhaps we should call it our new climate,” said the Bureau of Meteorology’s head of climate analysis, David Jones.”

    https://www.smh.com.au/environment/this-drought-may-never-break-20080104-gdrvg6.html

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      el gordo

      Going back to the 19th century, the first half of the 1860s, 1870s and 1890s were all wet. The 1880s decade was out of sync, do you know why?

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      RicDre

      I don’t know if this is related to the La Niña, but according to this article its been a pretty wet winter in New South Wales:

      New South Wales Blooms After Wettest Winter Since 2016

      https://weather.com/photos/news/2020-09-30-canola-bluebells-blossom-new-south-wales-photos

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      yarpos

      Sounds about right where we are. Catchment dams are way higher than same time last year, rivers are flowing strongly, property dams are full and surface water is visible after every rain cycle. We are primed for flood downstream if we get serious rain.

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      Travis T. Jones

      What does the doomsday global warming crystal ball say?

      Nov, 2019, former NSW fire commissioner Greg Mullins:
      “Much of the state was in drought and while in previous years you could see indicators for moisture or rain in the build-up, this year they weren’t there.

      Combined with other climate indications, Mr Mullins said it was “almost inevitable” this would be a bad fire year.

      “You don’t need a crystal ball, when you’ve been doing it this long, you know the indicators and it was very clear.”

      Mr Mullins, who spent more than 20 years leading bushfire efforts in NSW, has argued for a national response to bushfires and also wants Mr Morrison to declare a climate emergency.”

      Records show the worst bushfires in NSW could be yet to come
      https://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/records-show-the-worst-bushfires-in-nsw-could-be-yet-to-come/news-story/b4e417bde0f6f593118ed1be2d4ade2b

      Does the crystal ball say more La Niña rain because carbon tax is too high?

      Check your wallet, you’re being diddled.

      “Australia actually has a price on carbon.
      It’s $15.74. And the Government’s language on climate change has changed – the science is no longer contested.”
      https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/economics/coalition-shifts-stance-on-climate-change-in-a-week-of-policy-backflips/news-story/fcf3d6dd82d4262d3118bfe585c404fd

      via twitter: https://twitter.com/AlanKohler/status/1309622685668835329

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      Graeme#4

      A commenter in The Australian yesterday said that La Niñas, El Niños were related to the peak tide cycles of 18.6 years. 2019 was the last peak tide year.

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      sophocles

      BOM declares a La Niña, signalling wet spring and summer likely for northern, eastern Australia

      Who woke them up?

      I suspect when NOAA declared it last month (August) they hoped nobody would notice!

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        you mean September 10 right?

        A La Nina climate pattern has developed and is likely to persist through the winter, according to an advisory issued today by NOAA’s Climate Prediction Center.

        https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/enso_advisory/ensodisc.shtml

        as this links notes, La nina conditions were observable in Aiugust but aLa Nina event was not declared then. Obviously BOM has someone on staff who has good reading comprehension.

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          Oh yeah and here are some previous updates which don’t really align with your sleeping claim (as though anyone thought you’d be right)

          29 September La Niña underway in the tropical Pacific
          15 September Shift towards La Niña continues
          1 September La Niña and negative Indian Ocean Dipole likely during spring
          18 August La Niña ALERT—likelihood of La Niña in spring has increased
          4 August El Niño–Southern Oscillation neutral but La Niña indicators continue to develop

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            el gordo

            You should acknowledge that I predicted La Nina in March 2020.

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              Yes El G I will, and I also acknowledge that you’ve been predicted it more than annually for 7 years so I’m in awe that your hit rate is no better than what random chance would predict.

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                el gordo

                ‘ … you’ve been predicted it more than annually for 7 years …. ‘

                That is untrue.

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                I’ll back down… my alternative would be to expect you to prove me wrong which is the usual way of dealing with unsupported claims in this blog.

                I was stirring about your constant predictions of global cooling, which as you know and we’ve discussed, you’ve done.

                You predicted it but not you alone and I have no way of knowing if your prediction was based on any greater insight that I (and everyone else had if they chose to read) had at the time from all the analyses available at the time – so I was anticipating it. The only difference is that I never said – “hey, I bet there will be an El Nino this year”.

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                el gordo

                I did correctly forecast the back to back La Nina 2010-12 at Deltoid, but nothing more until this year.

                La Nina causes global cooling, so temperatures are already falling, but if it bounces back to where it is now, then the lukewarmers win.

                This is a friendly game, winner takes all, we should know the meaning of everything in a couple of years.

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                Gee aye

                Didn’t cool much during or after the 2012 era

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                el gordo

                Game On

                ‘WMO chief Petteri Taalas warned in a statement that “even if a La Nina event does develop, its cooling signal will not be enough to counterbalance the impact of human-induced climate change.” Phys.org

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                el gordo

                You are not taking climate change seriously, this looming battle between a quiet sun and a vibrating molecule is unavoidable.

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    Don’t expect to see this research trumpeted in the media as a way to “frighten the peasants so they’ll agree to insane policies”.

    https://doi.org/10.1029/2020GL089788

    The CCP Virus epidemic has produced some interesting results in climate measurements. Although Carbon Dioxide level increases have paused or gone into a decline the observed temperatures have increased. The cited paper attributes this to a decline in atmospheric aerosols which reduce cloudiness and thus more energy reaches the surface from the Sun. It is posited in the paper that the primary driver of temperature is the interaction between the Sun’s energy, aerosol levels in the atmosphere and the resulting cloudiness.

    I have been taught in the past that a scientific hypothesis can be falsified by a single verifiable observation even if the hypothesis
    is held to be true by many people. Has the Carbon Dioxide mediated climate change just had a Popperian falsification?

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      If so Charlie, this would be number 103 or something. Thanks for the link! You’ve explained it well. Indeed clouds almost certainly are key drivers though industrial aerosols are just one of the cloud drivers — others being jet streams, storm convection, cosmic rays, marine microbes, sea salt, some terrestrial plant aerosols.

      Because climate models don’t include any solar magnetic, solar UV changes or solar wind weather effects (or other unknown solar factors) the modelers are always missing some likely key variable and thus reduced to heaping much influence onto any single factor that gets their attention to “plug the gap”.

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      Chad

      Charlie Clelland
      October 1, 2020 at 8:03 am ·

      The CCP Virus epidemic has produced some interesting results in climate measurements. Although Carbon Dioxide level increases have paused or gone into a decline ………..

      …??? say’s who ?
      Where did that little bit of data come from ??

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        Lucky

        Chad, exactly!
        The amount of CO2 produced by humans is some 3 to 4% of the total, most from the oceans. The shutdowns would have reduced that figure, perhaps down to 2 to 3%. The amount in the atmosphere would thus have dropped with this lower contribution but as would be expected is too small to detect.

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    RicDre

    Interesting article:

    ‘Earthquake Lightning’ re-created in lab

    Were you aware that earthquakes are sometimes associated with luminescence, called earthquake lightning? This phenomenon had been documented throughout history, such as between 1965 and 1967, the Matsushiro earthquake swarm caused the surrounding mountain to flicker with light multiple times. In 1993 when an earthquake caused a tsunami off the coast in Southwest Hokkaido which caused 5 boats resting at shore to instantly ignite and burn.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/09/30/earthquake-lightning-re-created-in-lab/

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    Analitik

    Here is a great video presentation I found on WUWT of the true cost of wind generated power in Texas by Mike Nasi, a lawyer on environmental and energy issues when testifying before Indiana’s 21st Century Energy Task Force, late last year.

    He goes through the whole gamut of issues brought about by the intermittency and the hidden costs of subsidies with the results on electricity prices on consumers and warns other US states against committing to wind power to the degree that Texas has (which is far less, proportionally then South Australia).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGjilBZWIYM

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    Graeme#4

    Scientist from the Walter & Eliza Hall Institute in Melbourne, who are administering HCQ to NSW and Vic health workers, now believe that HCQ may prevent folks contracting COVID-19, and have indicated that they will continue investigating HCQ.
    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/controversy-wont-prevent-drug-trial/news-story/63124b81e77af6a00a31066ad7ee7f6c
    However, it appears that they still believe that it’s not effective in treating COVID-19 patients, and no mention of using HCQ with zinc and AZ.

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    David Wojick

    US Senate sets table laden with green pork
    By David Wojick

    Caution! Arcane content ahead.

    The US Senate is sitting on what could quickly become the biggest green pork giveaway in history, but it is almost impossible to see, let alone discuss or criticize. Untold billions for renewables and their kin. This would be funny if it were not so ridiculous, so a bit of scornful humor is called for.

    It all began with an innocent little bill introduced in March by Energy Committee chair Murkowski. The bill would throw a bit of research money at geothermal power generation. You can still see S 2657 here. No big deal, right?

    Then someone, probably not Murkowski, got the idea to make this little bill the vehicle for giving huge amounts of money and tax breaks to the whole realm of green technologies. Pure green pork.

    John Droz does a great job of telling this story here. Droz is a leading critic of renewables. His website has what is likely the world’s biggest collection of critical studies and commentaries and his weekly newsletter listing more is very useful. He blew the whistle on this high pile of pork.

    What happened is that something like 221 proposed amendments to S 2657 were tabled, many all at once. I have not looked at them all, possibly no one has, but the ones I have looked at really push renewables.

    The trick is that there was no notice of this avalanche of pork. The Senate bills website still just lists the original bill because while the amendments have all been tabled, none has been voted on and passed.

    There is however an amendments button that will start you on your way. I say start because there is still some serious digging to do. It turns out that these proposed amendments only exist in the obscure pages of the Congressional Record for early March.

    The endless porky amendments start here on March 3, 2020. There may well be some later as I have not tried to find them all. I do know that there is one amendment to which there are then many amendments. There may be amendments to amendments to amendments, etc.

    Once you find them the obstacles do not end. Many are written in what I call “opaque context” which means they incorporate references to other laws in such a way that you need to look at the references in order to know what the proposed amendment says.

    Let me finish with an example. In fact this is the first one you get to so I am not picking a ringer.

    Here is the beginning:

    “SA 1345. Mr. COONS (for himself, Mr. Moran, Ms. Ernst, Mr. Crapo, Mr. King, and Ms. Sinema) submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by him to the bill S. 2657, to support innovation in advanced geothermal research and development, and for other purposes; which was ordered to lie on the table; as follows:

    At the end, add the following:

    TITLE IV–AMENDMENTS TO THE INTERNAL REVENUE CODE OF 1986

    SEC. 4001. GREEN ENERGY PUBLICLY TRADED PARTNERSHIPS.“

    Note that this one has six cosponsors, which is a big deal. This one is for tax breaks of some sort, to something called Green Energy Publicly Traded Partners. Tradable partnerships sound like tax shelters.

    Then too it is only “intended to be proposed” which is itself a proposal. Like all of these it is “ordered to lie on the table“. Thus the proposed non-proposal is lying on the table.

    A table full of pork!

    What follows is a long list of technologies and other stuff to be added to the tax text. What that text says we have not a clue. Here is an example, item 9 in the list:

    “(ix) the production, storage, or transportation of any

    fuel which–

    “(I) uses as its primary feedstock carbon oxides captured

    from an anthropogenic source or the atmosphere,

    “(II) does not use as its primary feedstock carbon oxide

    which is deliberately released from naturally occurring

    subsurface springs, and

    “(III) is determined by the Secretary, after consultation

    with the Secretary of Energy and the Administrator of the

    Environmental Protection Agency, to achieve a reduction of

    not less than a 60 percent in lifecycle greenhouse gas

    emissions (as defined in section 211(o)(1)(H) of the Clean

    Air Act, as in effect on the date of the enactment of this

    clause) compared to baseline lifecycle greenhouse gas

    emissions (as defined in section 211(o)(1)(C) of such Act, as

    so in effect),“

    So there it is, a small fragment of a much longer non-proposed amendment, just one of 222 or so, all buried in the March Congressional Record, just sitting there waiting to fly.

    As I said at the beginning, this boondoggle could happen very quickly, with no notice and no way to comment. Everything is set for Senate action.

    Somebody in a paying job, or with time on their hands, needs to pull this mess together and say what it says. Then we the people can voice our opinions.

    Failing that we should all tell our Senators to vote against S 2657, period.

    https://www.cfact.org/2020/10/01/senate-sets-table-laden-with-green-pork/

    Please share this.

    David

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    Brenda Spence

    Hope Donald Trump has been taking hydroxychloroquine all these weeks!

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      you know I was sure he had probably had it already when he looked affected by something early February and at the same time various visitors to the Whitehouse were testing positive. My conspiracy theory is that he would then tell no one so he could be the strong man resisting getting the disease without the public knowing it was because he had immunity.

      So now he has it.

      Or does he?

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        Lucky

        Gee Aye could be right.
        The real top people (claim to have) had it- Boris, Prince Charles, a swag of Hollywood illuminaries. Surely Harry and Megan will make an announcement soon. But Joe, probably not, no one will believe he could recover.

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    Orson

    President Trump tests Covid-19 positive as does wife Melania. Breaking news in less than the last hour.

    Trump tweets that quarantine begins immediately. Campaign schedule is cleared.

    This news comes a day after Hope Hicks tested positive. Hicks travelled with Trump recently. (Her current position escapes me, sorry.)
    https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/tyler-o-neil/2020/10/01/trump-to-enter-quarantine-process-after-hope-hicks-tests-positive-for-covid-19-n994744

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    Orson

    UPDATE White House correspondent Kevin Corke (FoxNews) adds that Trump and wife Melania are asymptomatic at this point, while Hope Hicks was mildly symptomatic.

    Hope Hicks formerly served as WH Communications Director. She stepped down but was later rehired as counsellor to the President last February.

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