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A fickle faith: Climate change concerns evaporate in US polls

Donald Trump would be delighted if Biden and Harris make climate change a leading issue.

Climate change is the luxury fear people wear on their sleeves when they can afford it. It’s a piece of fashion. Optional and discarded at a moment’s notice.

Amid COVID-19, Americans don’t care about climate change anymore

Will Johnson, Fortune Magazine

In a survey we at the Harris Poll conducted last December, American adults said climate change was the number one issue facing society. Today, it comes in second to last on a list of a dozen options, ahead of only overpopulation. Among Gen X men, in fact, more than third dismiss climate change as unimportant. COVID-19 and the recession have, of course, reordered priorities around the world.

We asked a panel of U.S. adults a series of questions about today’s most crucial issues, environmental policy options, and their own behavior. In all three categories, I was personally surprised and discouraged to discover that our devotion to the world around us is flagging.

The rise in the skepticism of the Gen X men is interesting. In UK polls, the peak age of believers was 30 – 50 years which includes a lot of Gen Xers.

The pandemic is undoing years of activism:

And when the pandemic ends—or at least is suitably controlled—American adults say they’ll behave in ways that would increase their carbon footprint. According to our survey, we’ll drive as much as we did before, take public transportation less, bicycle or walk less, buy more clothes, and have more stuff packaged up and shipped to our homes. And most of us plan to jack up the home AC and heat even more than we already have.

It’s taken two decades of relentless advertising to achieve mass compliance and new habits, but just a few months to be reminded of how convenient some things are. The pandemic gave people permission to break the old rules.

This must be killing the greens.

This is perhaps not as huge a shift as implied. Climate change belief has always been wafer thin, and prone to coming and going at a moments notice. No matter how many “cared” when asked the right question, when they have to rank their concerns “climate change” is always near the bottom.

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97 comments to A fickle faith: Climate change concerns evaporate in US polls

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    Richard Ilfeld

    Polling has become a tool for telling people what to think, rather than telling us what people think.
    Thus the artfullness of questioning has morphed from teasing out the truth to getting the desired response.

    Back when I studied the science of polling, multiple decades ago, there would be much questioning how to get people to tell you how they felt about
    climate change in a predictive way.

    Do you think renewable wind power is a good idea?
    Are you willing to accept grid unreliability and a 50% rate increase as the consequence of adoption of renewable wind power?

    …are not predictive polling questions, they are zealot’s cat’s paws.

    In a cancel culture and suspicious world, perhaps the worst way to find out what people think is to ask them what they think; we
    live in a world where public perceptions are shaped by charlatans who claim the power of polled majority to do stupid things.

    People actually vote with their feet and their pocketbooks; as an example examine in your mind what you think of an urban public school official
    who sends their kids to private school.

    It is becoming obvious that all of the consequences of things done to combat “climate change” impact ones personal freedom and budget negatively.
    It’s one thing to pledge allegiance to Gaia, another to pay for the privilege when time are tight, as they are now.

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    pattoh

    “How dare you!”

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    Jojodogfacedboy

    The Canadian government has pushed this propaganda constantly for the last twenty years with tax credits and government grants to any nature and wildlife program that global warming/climate change is the cause to all the problems.
    Canadian people are very well programmed.
    We also have the CNN perspective on the media constantly.
    So, people have a huge disliking for President Trump.
    Not me, I like the underdog.

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    Graham Richards

    The same effect has been felt by the Globalist/ One world government mob. Their 50 years of working toward their utopian World Government has been well & truly trashed by Brexit & the election of Donald Trump. Just when they thought communism was making a comeback Boris Johnson threw a spanned in the EU project workings & the Donald turned the tables on Democratic communist party of the USA. A big thank you to both gentlemen!

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      John F. Hultquist

      G. R.,
      The most noticed agency of the UN is now the World Health Organization (WHO). When national leaders trash the WHO {not the rock band} it can’t be happy times in the halls of the Globalist/ One world government mob.

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    John F. Hultquist

    When government actions have destroyed your livelihood or business you have worked years to create, climate in 2100 is not going to be high on anyone’s list.
    And, likely, if not suggested by the survey why would anyone bring it up?

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    OriginalSteve

    Climate change is a fickle faith, only made possible by the years of hard slog to build a solid coal burning infrastructure…..

    Ir in other words, its a symptom of affluence that provides the trendy, easily influenced people time on thier hands to contemplate stupidity, instead of having to fight for thier survival…..

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    GlenM

    It is hidden. Whatever the deconstructionists wish will be taken up by MSM and drummed into the hoi polloi and frightening them. Always been so.

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    Peter Fitzroy

    Good to see, in a country where ineptitude is the hallmark of their pandemic response, where more than 10% of the workforce is uneployed, where protests are routinely violent, where shootings (all types) routinely exceed any other cause of death, where government can not pass any meaningfully legislation, I’m glad that climate change is not front of mind.

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      robert rosicka

      Peter are you saying that shooting is the number one cause of death in America? Really?, I’d love to see those stats .
      There is a lot wrong in the world but CAGW is not one of them , it was made up in a time of plenty when some had nothing else to do .

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        He wrote routinely not national and all the time

        It could mean over particular time periods in particular places. Such as, “last week in Las Cruces, there were more gun deaths than by any other cause”.

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          Peter C

          Thank you for that explanation Professor.

          I might have been confused about what “routinely” means. I would not have guessed that it means in Las Cruces at some particular time.

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      robert rosicka

      The CDC list the major cause of deaths in the US and shootings don’t even figure in the top 12 , as for protests that are violent they are mostly if not all in Democrat run cities and states where the police are ordered to leave the protesters alone .

      https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/leading-causes-of-death.htm

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        RickWill

        I was a little surprised that gun deaths did not make the top 10. I had a look at the report behind the data and it does not use the word “gun” anywhere

        I looked up gun death statistics and the number for 2019 was 38,387. That might make the list of the top 10 if the classifications were different. For example, about half of suicides are by gun. I suspect that a fair proportion of the accidental deaths are by gun.

        The road toll and gun deaths are both around 38k in the USA.

        Gun deaths no doubts contribute to USA having developing world status from the perspective of life expectancy:
        https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/life-expectancy/
        Behind Estonia but ahead of Panama. USA is the only country I know that has declining life expectancy over the past 5 years.

        Still, possibly just making the list of the top 10 is a long way short of the claim:

        where shootings (all types) routinely exceed any other cause of death

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          robert rosicka

          Yeah my stats admittedly were 2017 but as soon as I seen Peter’s claim I knew it was false knowing that things like heart disease etc would be much higher and I had seen the figures about a year ago .
          The claim Peter makes about unemployment is also a stitch up because before Covid America had the lowest unemployment figures in a very long time .

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          Peter Fitzroy

          excuses
          in addition to the previous list. This is a nation that does not uphold the rule of law, has the largest prison population in the world, the largest armed forces by a factor of 10, randomly blocks trade, is not a signatory to most international conventions including law of the sea.

          and you nitpick wording, fox news forever

          Failed states do not do environment

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            el gordo

            ‘ … has the largest prison population in the world …’

            Its a police state.

            ‘ … the largest armed forces by a factor of 10 …’

            China is catching up very fast.

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            robert rosicka

            You are the one nit picking and if you check data from 2017 vs 2019 there would be very little difference in the stats .
            You cannot blame Trump for the current employment figures .
            Largest army in the world so what .
            Randomly gets the best deal for his country on trade , if only we had a leader like that we would still have an auto industry amongst others .
            Who wants to be in the Paris agreement ?
            Sorry did I take you in context ?

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            OriginalSteve

            “Failed states do not do environment”

            True…some of the biggest ecological disasters have been in communist and socialist countries…..rotting nuke subs in russian ports etc….

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      OriginalSteve

      “where protests are routinely violent…”

      Yep…gotta love the far left thugs, they do a good job at making protests violent…..I mean they have nothing else to offer. Kind of a sad existence when you truly look at it.

      You can imagine when you look back on someones life, and their main “achievement” was making peaceful protests violent….

      Big. Fat. Fail.

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        Peter Fitzroy

        excuses
        This is a nation that does not uphold the rule of law, has the largest prison population in the world, the largest armed forces by a factor of 10, randomly blocks trade, is not a signatory to most international conventions including law of the sea.

        and you are assigning blame, fox news forever

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          William


          “… the largest armed forces by a factor of 10 …”
          Really Peter? I think you might find that the Chinese has considerably more military personnel:

          Active personnel: USA 1 281 900 China 2 300 000
          Reserve personnel: USA 811 000 China 8 000 000

          Or perhaps you were talking about China and not the USA – that would make sense given the Chinese treatment and imprisonment of their minorities – and the violent protests in Hong Kong.

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        el gordo

        Fitz has a point, the US gun laws are archaic and we are left with this wild west sort of place.

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          robert rosicka

          I’m starting to think Peter is talking about China .

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            el gordo

            Beijing does not allow their ordinary citizens to carry arms, similar to most countries in the free world.

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          OriginalSteve

          I disagree.

          An armed person is a citizen, a disarmed person is a subject/serf.

          Choose wisely…..

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            el gordo

            Wow, that is so weird.

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              Armed with a gun and rhetoric.

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              OriginalSteve

              Why?

              Common sense really. Pity we dont have a 2nd Ammendment here.

              The framers of the US constitution understood history and people and govts really well.

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                el gordo

                Nonsense, they told their citizens to arm and fight the British Empire, they surely will return with a large force, to be unarmed is tantamount to treason.

                As you know the Admiralty decided against an invasion and reckoned Sir Joseph Banks was right, they should dump their prisoners in Australia.

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                beowulf

                Let’s see. 2nd Amendment ratified 1791. Australia settled 1788. Non sequitur. The 2nd Amendment was part of the Bill of Rights — to “provide a constitutional check on congressional power”, not to fight the British.

                The right to bear arms was confirmed as an individual right in part of the Dred Scott judgement of 1856.

                Steve is right. We used to be citizens. What are we now? Pawns.

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                beowulf

                I might add that the US Congress had only sat for its initial 3 years when the potential for the abuse of power by government became apparent, hence the Bill of Rights of 1791 to fill loopholes in the Constitution and curb the power of government.

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                OriginalSteve

                Thanks beowulf.

                Those who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

                I recall feeling very uneasy as fires approached my home last summer, the police were flat out elsewhere, it was an odd time, but we saw looting, which you’d think in a “civilized” society shouldnt happen, and yet there it was…

                As I put my evac kit together, firearms and ammo were top of the list…its wise to hope for the best, but plan for the worst.

                Humans dont change, history has lessons for us if we are wise enough to learn.

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                sophocles

                We’ve got that Beatles song: “Happiness is a Warm Gun”

                So who needs history?

                We don’t need no edgacation …

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                el gordo

                ‘Humans don’t change, history has lessons for us if we are wise enough to learn.’

                We are learning sir, we avoided WW3 because of mutually assured destruction.

                Your guns will be useless against a breakdown in biosecurity, the war to end all wars.

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      Analitik

      Good to see, in a country where [blah, blah, blah...]

      This is reminiscent of the (locally born) lefties here who loudly proclaim Australia to be a fundamentally racist nation. Funny how so many immigrants love our country and so may refugees would love to resettle here.

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        el gordo

        We were racist, remember the white Australia policy and Australia only gave the vote to the indigenous population in the late 20th century.

        All of us now recognise that we are the most harmonious multicultural society in the world.

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        Peter Fitzroy

        The point here is that there are any number of problems in the USA which directly affect the population, and like the pandemic, require an urgent solution.

        It is no wonder that Climate change has dropped as the most important issue.

        None of the replies have addressed that fact, so they must be disappointed that AGW is now less important

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          OriginalSteve

          Oh I don’t know….this might give you hope….it seems one mob are building a very large mobile phone charger…

          It appears the climate silliness is still alive….

          https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/right-moment-agl-unveils-plans-for-at-least-1000mw-of-batteries-20200814-p55lnn.html

          “Energy giant AGL has lodged a proposal to build as much as 500 megawatts of batteries at its Liddell power plant and has plans of doubling that total across the nation.

          “AGL on Friday said it had lodged a so-called scoping report with NSW’s Planning department to install the storage system at the Hunter Valley site by June 2024.

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          robert rosicka

          And that’s the problem isn’t it Peter ? No one is paying any attention to CAGW and governments are openly discussing the idea of ditching green tape to get the economy booming when the virus is in check .
          Personally both are non problems to me .

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    Penguinite

    Looks like the tide of climate change is receding!

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      tom0mason

      Penguinite,
      “Looks like the tide of climate change is receding!”

      Yes, unlike atmospheric Co2 levels which after 6 months of pandemic lockdown (aka lockout from work, school, happiness and prosperity), it continues to rise.
      https://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/weekly.html

      Maybe people have noticed that during this locked-out time CO2 levels have failed to decline, and they now realize perhaps all those ‘CO2 mitigation’, those job destroying measures will not do anything. That the fiction of CO2 heating the atmosphere is just a mirage to make populations fearful but controllable by unaccountable rich and powerful elitists.

      Nature has always been in control of atmospheric CO2 levels, not humans.

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    Peter C

    The Post is based on this article from Fortune Magazine.
    https://fortune.com/2020/08/10/climate-change-global-warming-coronavirus/

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    RickWill

    From the article quote:

    And when the pandemic ends—or at least is suitably controlled—American adults say they’ll behave in ways that would increase their carbon footprint.

    I am halfway through my second tank of fuel for 2020. My wife’s car has not had need for a second tank of fuel yet but I have needed to charge the battery as it was flat when she came to go shopping last week (we are no longer permitted to shop together so she planned on using her car)

    I expect my carbon footprint will increase when the virus is gone.

    I had a strange alarm come up on my diesel engine – check anti-pollution system. I went to the mechanic for his advice on the alarm. He asked when was the last time the car got used on the freeway. Had to think; it was November 2019.

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    TdeF

    In 1918 they had WW1 and Spanish flu. The Great Depression in 1928. The terrible 1930s, the dust storms in America, the holomodor in Ukraine, and a world of pain and unemployment. It reached 40% in Australia, 25% in the US. WWII in fact put the world into mass manufacture and the 1950s were amazing with the rapid increase in the quality of life, except in the USSR and satellite countries. And China.

    Then the Middle East, from Suez to the Arab Spring, Iran to Libya. The Chinese Proxy wars of North Korea and Vietnam, the cold war, the Cuban Missle crisis but the last 50 years have been relatively quiet, peaceful and profitable, especially for China after Nixon.

    Climate Change was a scare people seemed to want. Certainly it lifted James Hansen and Al Gore and Tim Flannery to the heights of fame. It grew in a vacuum where there seemed to be no scare.

    Now we have Chinese aggression, Chinese uncontrolled biowarfare, spying and theft of secrets, infiltration, Huawei 5G, Tik Tok, the South China Sea, Belt and Road eco(nomic) slavery, fighter jets over Taiwan and the clashes on the border with India. And North Korea and Iran still trying to dominate the planet with nuclear weapons and missiles, while the real superpowers sit and wait. And a school girl dropout from Sweden addresses the United Nations, the US Congress and Davos on the imminent extermination coming with 1C increase in a calculated world temperature over 100 years. Now who was that? And why was it important?

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      TdeF

      And I have to ask, has anyone the numbers for big windmills in the world today? 500,000? That must be at least $2Trillion. And does anyone recognize Big Wind as a major player. And that it is almost exclusively a German Chinese project?

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        Dave in the States

        I recall reading over at WUWT that it would take about 14 million windmills to replace fossil fuels for transportation alone.

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      el gordo

      ‘Now we have Chinese aggression …’

      The South China Sea is a defensive mechanism and the pandemic is not biowarfare, some clown from the lab took the virus down to the Wuhan wet market.

      The Belt and Road is the way to create new markets, by uplifting the poor into the middle class. Capitalism at its best. Admittedly they have no respect for intellectual property rights and we need to have a discussion on this.

      Taiwan is safe for the foreseeable future and the skirmish on the Indian frontier will be settled amicably.

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        Mike Jonas

        el gordo – I see things differently: In the South China Sea, China has aggressively expropriated or is trying to expropriate marine areas from other nations in the region and from international waters. Together with Tibet and places being expropriated via debt traps, that’s not defense, that’s expansion. Just like Hitler’s Germany prior to WWII (Rhineland, Austria, Sudetanland, Bohemia, Moravia, Memel in Lithuania, Poland).

        Belt and Road makes extensive use of debt traps. Wikipedia: “Studies of economic experts in the practices of China found that the patterns of China’s bank lending purposefully trap governments to gain strategic opportunities for China.”. That’s not “capitalism at its best”, it’s enslavement and expropriation.

        Taiwan is safe for the foreseeable future? The Indian border will be settled amicably? I suspect that Xi Jinping sees those places very very differently. What you are saying is a bit like saying before WWII that Hitler was never going to succeed. Yes, Hitler failed, but a lot of people died on the way.

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          el gordo

          We are in the 21st century, Hitler has no relevance.

          China seeks commercial opportunities and along the Belt and Road they always go for energy infrastructure as a starting point in the blossoming. Its true they play hard ball, but think back to the days of gunboat diplomacy by the US and you’ll see that Beijing is very moderate.

          The debt trap is unavoidable when politicians sign up for something they can’t afford, think of it as a hundred year lease.

          Taiwan and India are not in the script and won’t become festering sores Premier Xi has no ambition to take over the world militarily, only commercially.

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            Chad

            el gordo
            August 14, 2020 at 1:05 pm ·
            We are in the 21st century, Hitler has no relevance.

            . .?? What is that saying about learning from history ,…or being doomed to make the same mistakes over again …?

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              el gordo

              Humanity has learnt from history, in the new world order the fascists take over through commercial means and not militarily.

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      RickWill

      with 1C increase in a calculated world temperature over 100 years

      That statement is far from accurate. For starters – what is “world temperature”; I can only assume it applies to the global surface temperature data produced by GISS or HadCrut. These data are a mixture of measurement and concoction through a process called data homogenisation. They are contrived. It is very difficult to find any long term trend in any specific temperature record for the past 150 years apart from measurements taken in highly developed city locations.

      The long term temperature data for the top 2000m of the surface water shows an imperceptible increase of 0.11C over the past 65 years:
      https://data.nodc.noaa.gov/woa/DATA_ANALYSIS/3M_HEAT_CONTENT/DATA/basin/3month_mt/T-dC-w0-2000m1-3.dat
      Such small differences are within the bounds of measurement error.

      I question any claim that planet Earth (our world) is in a more energetic state thermally in 2020 than it was in 1920.

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        TdeF

        I didn’t say I agreed with the scare, but that it was only about the alleged 1C in 100 years. Almost nothing about Global Warming is real science and not a single prediction has come true plus it is likely that Australia was hotter and dryer in 1890 in the Federation drought than in 1990 and the Millenium drought. And I take issue with the very concept of a single planetary temperature as a completely artificial concept which is almost meaningless and utterly useless for predictions of what are thousands of individual climates.

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          RickWill

          I was just having a playful dig!

          Hope you are avoiding the virus.

          On a different tack – One of the issues I have with rising atmospheric CO2 being a function of ocean equilibrium is that I do not see much evidence of ocean temperature actually rising.

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            TdeF

            I don’t know but it’s only ocean surface temperature which matters, at the water/air interface. With the massive heat capacity of the oceans it will take centuries for overall temperatures to change.

            Shallow areas with more sun like the Caribbean do drive Hurricanes (Tropical storms which actually cross land acording to Florida’s definition). And the Western Pacific for more Hurricanes, but not the cooler Eastern pacific. And our records of ocean temperatures are thin, despite the fact that 3/4 of the planet is covered with water (including Antarctica). So temperatures could change but it would be hard to pick it historically. Most of the Pacific which covers half the planet is empty. And we might have good water tempeature records for the second half of the 20th century, but not for the first. Satellites from the 1980s changed all that but that was relatively recent.

            So if the Greens can blame the warmer waters around the Great Barrier reef on Climate Change, I would have to presume the waters were at least warmer, but I haven’t checked myself.

            It’s just a simple physical fact, 98% of CO2 is dissolved in sea water and a tiny change in temperature is enough to release CO2.

            I have toyed with the annual cyclical variations as being due to the seasons too. It’s hard though to be sure as CO2 goes into the water in colder places and out of the water in hotter places. All good stuff for some genuine research. The problem is that CO2 doesn’t hang around for long geographically.

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    Dan Pangburn

    Facebook blocked this: I can think of a few reasons FB would block; none of them good. Apparently antagonism towards this stuff has been largely political and economic.

    HCQ works with the proper dosage and timing. Include zinc to make sure plenty of zinc is available.
    Breaking news https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/07/02/michigan-henry-ford-health-study-finds-hydroxychloroquine-lowers-covid-19-death-rate/5365090002/

    That settles it. If, in spite of rigorous preventive measures, I get the virus I will immediately demand HCQ. I already have the zinc.
    Zinc getting into cells prevents covid from using the cell ‘machinery’ to reproduce more covid. HCQ is an ionophore for zinc which means it helps zinc cross the cell membranes to get into the cells.

    And keep your vitamin D up. According to Mayo Clinic, vitamin D is needed for a healthy immune system. More on vit D deficiency, including some relation to covid is at https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7276229/

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      pattoh

      DP
      There is a bit of scuttlebut about that Green Tea from your super market may be effective at getting the Zn into the cells as has been quoted by HCQ.
      If true, It may be worth adding to the suppliments & “prophylaxis”regimen.

      I can’t imagine the CDC or any other Big Phama propagandists would be able to either remove Zn Suppliments or Green Tea.

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    Dan Pangburn

    The truth about HCQ, Denis Prager in a 43 minute informative video:
    https://youtu.be/f5kqlzjByQI?t=8

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    Russell

    … just a few months to be reminded of how convenient some things are

    I would not be surprised to learn that this is exactly the purpose that the virus’s originating country intended.
    They do play the long game.

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      el gordo

      This pandemic was not government sponsored, you should be looking for a loan actor from the Wuhan lab who accidentally or purposefully reeled the virus into the wet market.

      The danger for us is that we don’t know if its a designer virus.

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    Ruairi

    Alarmists are fearing the worst,
    That their climate change bubble has burst,
    When a recent survey,
    Shows their standing today,
    Almost last, when they used to come first.

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      TdeF

      Because there was nothing much else to worry about for most people. And all the principal players are semi retired now. It will be amusing to see how history treats the great Climate Warming scare of 1988. About as seriously as the great Climate Cooling scare of the 1970s I guess. But the waste of money and opportunity is the greatest in human history, all for nothing.

      The world is facing Climate Change Extinction.

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      Nice last line, Ruairi.)

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    tom0mason

    Chiefio has a comment up about current Chinese weather –
    Then, new storms are dumping yet more rain on central China ag areas. China has issued directions for the people to “save food” as pork prices have doubled. to which my reply is –

    “I remember a few years ago (round about the time when the Olympics was in China), some Chinese functionary appearing on many news outlets bragging that China has tamed the weather. Not only could he assure people of fine weather for the games but that their ‘scientific’ methods just about guaranteed proper seasonal weather for their agriculture.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beijing_Weather_Modification_Office

    Hasn’t been working too well lately … or is it the evil CO2 being beastly to China [/sarc]

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    Dennis

    13/08/2020|3min

    Sky News host Alan Jones says the “dope” Tim Flannery should apologise for his fear mongering regarding what he claimed was Australia’s severe water crisis. Mr Jones pointed to Australia’s recent bout of deluge which has relieved drought conditions west of the Great Dividing Range, replenished soil moisture, and contrary to the warnings of Mr Flannery, has filled dams. “Such has been the rain that they are worried that the Warragamba dam – which was at 42 per cent in February – could overflow and cause widespread flooding,” Mr Jones said. “Well done you dope, Tim Flannery, who was made Australian of the Year, the global warming apologist who said the dams would never fill again. Image: AP

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      el gordo

      Yeah, Flummery is a dill on climate change, we are getting good seasonal rains west of the Great Divide. A strong La Nina is coming, sea level and temperature should fall in unison, as the dams fill to overflowing.

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    The UN IPCC climate fraud was and still is based on the opening paragraph of the 1990 First Assessment report which stated:

    IPCC Over-view
    This Overview reflects the conclusions of the reports of (i) the three IPCC Working Groups on science, impacts, and response strategies, and (ii) the Policymaker Summaries of the IPCC Working Groups and the IPCC Special Committee on the Participation of Developing Countries.

    1. Science
    This section is structured similarly to the Policymaker Summary of Working Group I.

    1.0.1 We are certain of the following:

    •There is a natural greenhouse effect which already keeps the Earth warmer than it would otherwise be.

    •Emissions resulting from human activities are substantially increasing the atmospheric concentrations of the greenhouse gases: carbon dioxide, methane, chloro-fluorocarbons (CFCs) and nitrous oxide. These increases will enhance the greenhouse effect, resulting on average in an additional warming of the Earth’s surface. The main greenhouse gas, water vapour, will increase in response to global warming and further enhance it.
    (End of quote)

    The first statement was false, being based on a completely irrelevant computer model. The second statement was purely hypothetical. No one then or now knows the identity or the extent of all of the CO2 sources and sinks in the world. Yet these fictitious propositions continue to go unchallenged today by our World leaders, politicians, academics, scientists, media and more. All meekly follow the demands made by the IPCC.

    The latest atmospheric CO2 data from the Mauna Loa Observatory through to 12 August 2020 not only does not show any fall in the CO2 concentration due to the pandemic but shows the rate of increase in concentration to be greater than at any time since observations began 62 years ago.

    It is the Sun that determines the temperature and the extent of climate change which, in turn, determines the rate of change of the atmospheric CO2 concentration. When will they listen?

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    el gordo

    A new study confirms my belief that the Bolling-Allerod interstadial saw the extinction of NH megafauna and not the hand of man.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/08/13/ancient-genomes-suggest-woolly-rhinos-went-extinct-due-to-climate-change-not-overhunting/

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      Graeme No.3

      nonsense EG. Everyone knows that a man armed with a stone pointed spear could kill a 3 ton belligerent animal every day, especially in heavy snow. Now was that /sarc or Peter F.

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      sophocles

      They (some of the megafauna) were drowned as they were washed away. Even elephants survive 250 feet deep floods moving at 70mph with extreme difficulty.

      See/listen to Randall Carlson on the Joe Rogan Experience #606 podcast on U-tube. It’s very interesting.

      Randall is not a scientist and what he has to say is not published in the literature. As I’ve said: it’s very interesting.

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    TdeF

    Consider for a second a Trump reelection, something which is looking more and more obvious by the day. And that’s because the Democrats are now attacking the police and wanting them removed from the inner city where they protect mainly black lives from other blacks. We have had a taste of it in Chicago, New York and more.

    And increased taxes. And no migrant restrictions. And everything free like education and health if you are an illegal migrant. I can see the Latinos alienated, the Black communities terrified and swinging voters aghast at an extreme socialist country.

    And now compulsorily disarming the whole of America, unpending the 2nd amendment to do so. They must be very sure of victory.

    Stopping pipelines, fracking, building the wall, disbanding ICE and now ‘defunding’ the Pentagon. But not the UN or WHO?

    Is there any looney leftist demand not being proposed? Cash for being black (reparations) or any colour other than white?

    But if it all backfires and the Republicans end up with Congress, the Senate and the Presidency and the Supreme Court, we would know why. And it’s hard to know what famous serial Trump abusers Cher and Better Midler and Barbra Streisand and Jim Carrey are going to do? Leave the country? And all those night time hosts? Plus all the people who think there are a hundred genders? (Perhaps in San Francisco)

    And Climate Change aka Global Warming aka the biggest hoax in history will vanish overnight. Gone the way of the Dodo. Forgotten in a heartbeat, so scientists say.

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      TdeF

      Every day Breitbart reveals some new move by the Democrats to alienate more voters. There must be a competition. I mean, if you do not vote for Biden, you aren’t black. How well did that go over? The lack of diversity comment. The obvious loss of speech and any mental quickness. Even replays of Robin Williams ridiculing him as bumbling Joe Biden. Now stumbling Joe Biden.

      And while everyone is incredibly effusive in their praise of Kamala Harris, she was not the darling of the pundits before when they questioned whether she was even a black American, her record as prosecutor and her assault on Biden in the debate. Great for California, but the Democrats already own California with more voters than the entire black population. In fact without California, Trump won the popular vote easily as well.

      So we wait for the next bombshell, the next group to be put offside by another Democrat swing to extreme socialism. They may as well have stayed with Bernie Sanders. At least they were absolutely certain the Sanders was unelectable, but this time Sanders did as he was told.

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        Peter C

        Every day Breitbart reveals some new move by the Democrats to alienate more voters.

        Exactly right TdeF;
        Smash the cities,
        tear down the monuments,
        defund the police,
        green new deal,
        take away the guns,
        raise taxes on every one,
        stop coal and gas energy,
        stop free speech,
        spread Covid into nursing homes
        and on and on.

        What I don’t understand is the polls, which purport that Trump is trailing. Can that be true?

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          Serp

          In the Age of Cencellation polls are intimidatory and inevitably produce majorities for the Candidates of the Woke but on election day the worm turns.

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          TdeF

          The polls are getting to be ridiculous, unbelievable. As I pointed out yesterday, they quote their margin of error on 783 people as 3.6%, which assumes a single variable random distribution and on the basis of this they gave Joe Biden a 3% lead? I would be surprised if the polls were within 20% of the result. And as we saw in Australia, UK and the US over the last decade, they are generally wrong. Morrison, Johnson and Trump were supposed to go down in a landslide but they each won handsomely.

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            TdeF

            And as everyone has noticed and Greg Sheridan notes in the Australian today, Joe Biden has ‘lost the plot’. This has been more obvious every week and they are keeping him out of the spotlight because he could argue with himself and lose.

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      Graeme No.3

      I am starting to think that the old people in charge of the Democrat Party machine decided to shut up the extremist wing by allowing a feeble and easily gullible figurehead “win” the nomination and letting the loonies set the post-election agenda. They expected a thrashing at the polls, and regaining control of the Party.
      The policies being publicised could hardly be chosen to frighten the middle of the road voters more. The barrage about Trump losing in the media is the same as last time when it didn’t work. The policies on education look like the work of a high school drop out (not Greta, although she may approve), and the riots and looting in Democrat controlled cities are affecting blacks and recent migrants more than any other group. And their talk of confiscating weapons can only alienate the 80 million gun owners, and make them vote for the Republicans (Americans love their guns).

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        TdeF

        And there’s an oddity about American cities. If you talk of Melbourne, Sydney, you talk of ‘cities’ of 5-6 million but the actual cities of Melbourne and Sydney, each with a mayor, are much smaller. If you talk of Chicago or New York, you talk of cities of 2.7 million and 8.8 million because the old city is only the inner city. The greater Chicago and New York is much larger, 8 million and 18 million. Chicago Lands is bigger again. An American will not say they live in Chicago if they live in Greater Chicago, say in Aurora, where an Australian would say they lived in Melbourne even if they lived in the remote cities of Dandenong or Frankston.

        New York is also not New Jersey, a different city in a different state, separated by the Hudson river. So when the US megacities are in trouble, the major part of the greater city is aghast at what is going on in the Democrat led inner city, the part of the city which includes the black depressed areas with the shootings and robberies and slums. There are no go areas. Mayors Lightfoot and De Blasio control only less than 40% of the city and there is a larger city outside and a flight to these suburbs, away from the nightly shootings and riots. And these people get to vote too.

        We get the same in Melbourne where the inner cities vote Green and extreme socialist, the People’s Republic of Yarra for example. And the only Federal Green seat is Melbourne with Adam Bandt. So their views, their behaviour, and especially their politics is not that of extreme Green Melbourne and this is reflected at elections.

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          TdeF

          London is different these days where there are many cities each with a ceremonial mayor, but the Mayor of London also runs the ‘Greater London Authority’ which has control of the whole geographical area and all the cities. This is not true in most of the world’s cities which retain their autonomy even if they have geographically coalesced.

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        sophocles

        Shh!

        Don’t give it all away!

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      dadgervais

      “Global Warming aka the biggest hoax in history…”, prior to “Covid Hysteria” that is.

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    Travis T. Jones

    Pro-Trump comment from twitter:

    “We are the silent majority.
    We get no air time.
    We don’t burn things down.
    We work.
    We salute the flag.
    We respect law.
    We appreciate military.
    We are the backbone of this country.
    We are invisible, until we vote.
    You can bet come November we’ll be heard and it will be deafening.”

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    Travis T. Jones

    Studies of Surgical Masks Efficacy

    As a person who went to medical school, I was shocked when I read Neil Orr’s study, published in 1981 in the Annals of the Royal College of Surgeons of England.

    And for six months, from March through August 1980, the surgeons and staff in that unit decided to see what would happen if they did not wear masks during surgeries.

    They wore no masks for six months, and compared the rate of surgical wound infections from March through August 1980 with the rate of wound infections from March through August of the previous four years.

    And they discovered, to their amazement, that when nobody wore masks during surgeries, the rate of wound infections was less than half what it was when everyone wore masks.

    Their conclusion: “It would appear that minimum contamination can best be achieved by not wearing a mask at all” and that wearing a mask during surgery “is a standard procedure that could be abandoned.”

    I was so amazed that I scoured the medical literature, sure that this was a fluke and that newer studies must show the utility of masks in preventing the spread of disease.

    But to my surprise the medical literature for the past forty-five years has been consistent: masks are useless in preventing the spread of disease and, if anything, are unsanitary objects that themselves spread bacteria and viruses.

    http://12160.info/m/blogpost?id=2649739:BlogPost:2035264

    -Many links at link.

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      dadgervais

      It’s just common sense that masks work (…the earth is flat); so, science be damned!

      Btw, prolonged wearing of masks (e.b. all day at work) increases CO2 and decreases O2 levels in the blood.

      Probably not a major issue for the healthy, but double-plus-un-good for the breathing impaired.

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