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Royal Commission on Fires based on Myth of Hotter-Drier Summer

More lies by omission from the Bureau of Misinformation

When a PM gets it totally wrong, where is the BOM…

“What this royal commission is looking at are the practical things that must be done to keep Australians safer and safe in longer, hotter, drier summers.” — Scott Morrison. – ABC

The BoM, like Prof Andy Pitman of UNSW, and all other climate scientists know that “climate change” will make the world a hotter wetter place. Who are the evaporation deniers among us? Yet, apart from one momentary candid admission from Professor Andy Pitman, which of our paid public servants will correct the PM when he says things that are flagrantly, 100% wrong? Will a Royal Commission really be forced to accept a complete myth?

Looks like extra CO2 “causes” Summer rainfall in Australia to increase

Apparently, we should burn fossil fuels to stop fires. You know it makes sense…

Southern Australia rainfall, trends, Bureau of Meteorology,

Australian rainfall trends, Bureau of Meteorology,

But wait,  what about Southern Australia?

To cover every last caveat, it’s possible that “climate change” could change where rain falls, or when rain falls — so lets look at the BoM’s own rainfall records.

CO2 apparently makes summers wetter across Southern Australia too

Australian rainfall, Bureau of Meteorology, South East Australia, long term trend, graph.

Australian rainfall, Bureau of Meteorology, Southern Australian rainfall totals, long term trend.  Source

It’s also possible that the rainfall could increase but fall in a more variable pattern which increases floods and droughts, but in 178 years of data, that isn’t happening either.

How about the South East corner of Australia

Nooo…

Summer rainfall, Australia, South Eastern region, trend, graph.

Summer rainfall, Australia, South Eastern region, trend, graph. Source: BOM

What about individual towns? Don’t believe your lying eyes: See a century of rain in Dalgety, Cobargo, Ensay, and 160 years of nothing in Melbourne and Sydney.

As Prime Minister, there is no excuse, it is Scott Morrison’s fault that he’s wrong and he needs to fix it

It’s Morrison’s job to make sure he asks hard questions, trusts the right people, and gets good advice. A leader cannot say “I just accepted what the experts said”, or “I assumed they would correct me”.

This is high school type science. It is “just basic chemistry” that the world will become a hotter-wetter place. Sadly, the BOM, CSIRO, ABC, and most of lower and higher Education have been eroding public scientific knowledge for 3 decades — undoing anything useful that people learnt in high school science lessons.

Time for skeptics to write to the PM and all the rest: Let the “hotter wetter summer” campaign begin.

On another note: When will the Press Council investigate the ABC for publishing repeated misinformation that serves to promote Labor Party policy, increasing the odds of Australians voting for the type of governments that increase ABC salaries. Is it incompetence, or self serving culpable negligence?

Some things matter.

Top posts on fires, rain and droughts

The Hotter-Drier “Climate change” myth — the rain in Australia has always been erratic, no CO2 trend

Blockbuster: 178 years of Australian rain has nothing to do with CO2, worst extremes 1849, 1925, 1950

Climate change and bushfires — More rain, the same droughts, no trend, no science

Prof Andy Pitman admits droughts are not worse and not linked to climate change

Figure this: Andy Pitman says “we don’t understand what causes droughts” but “the indirect link is clear”!

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98 comments to Royal Commission on Fires based on Myth of Hotter-Drier Summer

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    OriginalSteve

    Well, more CO2, more food, more rain…flimflam will be confused no doubt, especially with full dams….

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      Dennis

      Oh well, time to pushy the “tinny” off the Hawkesberry River side and go fishing, time to dream up the next scare campaign.

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      pattoh

      Well, when it comes to CREATING the fuel loading we know it wuz CO2 & that pesky Sun wot dun it, bang to rights – so there!

      Perhaps if we build enough windmills with all the necessary service tracks & power lines we won’t need those horrible eye-sore fire trails to muck up the Koala Bears domestic arrangements.

      There you, go 2 RC findings fit for the ABC & SBS.

      Race you down to the candle shop!

      / sarc.

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      Geoff

      More icecream, more rainfall, nothing to do with CO2. The real question is what flavour affects climate the most? We need $3T to look into this. The world’s climate is at stake. No icecream, no rainfall, no planet. Simply the Earth likes icecream and we had better supply the correct flavour!

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      Bulldust

      Obviously those past rainfalls are wrong. My guess is that the rain was wetter then than now. Surely it is the dry rain today which causes all those bush fires?

      how come those past rainfall data haven’t been homogenised?

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      Bill In Oz

      There has been no hotter dryer Summer here in Mt Barker SA.
      There was a dryer and warmer Spring.
      That persisted into December.
      But January & February have been wetter & cooler.
      And that is what the BOM’s own records show for the Adelaide Hills in SA
      Meanwhile we KNOW why there were such bad fires :
      The huge load of dry fuel on the ground.

      Let’s keep it simple for these Royal Commissioners
      And hammer that message home to them all.
      Because sure as night follows day
      There will be stupid & dopey ‘experts’
      Attempting to deny the facts on the ground
      And show that CO2 did your honor !
      Utter bloody bull crap !

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      jpm

      I know that this is only semantics but just about everyone over here in Australia seems to think that the dam includes the reservoir. The following is how I was taught, in Canada, to understand the meaning of “dam”.
      A dam is a barrier that stops or restricts the flow of water or underground streams. Reservoirs created by dams not only suppress floods but also provide water for activities such as irrigation, human consumption, industrial use, aquaculture, and navigability.
      I am a naturalised citizen of this country, having lived here since 1968, and it has always seemed strange to me.
      Accuracy is important in conveying information!
      John

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        Annie

        I found that odd too jpm. I now just use the term dam but understand reservoir, produced by damming water. I avoid using the term reservoir here as few people know how to pronounce it properly! Cringe!

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        Ted O'Brien.

        Strictly speaking in farming terminology, it’s dam as you say, or tank. A reservoir in my lexicon is a probably (but not necessarily) bigger tank. Probably depends on what you are comparing it with.

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    Scomo. Cometh the hour, cometh the tower of jelly.

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      davefromweewaa

      Being one centimeter better than Turnbull or Labor just isn’t good enough.
      Australia needs Barnaby Joyce for the same reason reason Abe Lincoln needed Ullyses Grant.Not because he’s an angel but because he’ll fight. There’s no chance of new coal power stations and sensible land management with the Surrey hills Nationals AND the Photios Libs running the show.

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    WXcycles

    Figure this: Andy Pitman says “we don’t understand what causes droughts” but “the indirect link is clear”!
    http://joannenova.com.au/2019/10/figure-this-andy-pitman-says-we-dont-understand-what-causes-droughts-but-the-indirect-link-is-clear/

    If ultra-dry stratosphere can in-fall into the same regional area for multiple years the cause of chronic drought becomes clear. Govt policy will not alter such things, and it will not show as a trend that relates to tropospheric weather dynamics, because the stratospheric dry air doesn’t result from seasonal trend or preceding tropospheric and oceanic dynamics. It simply intrudes and alters what’s occurring.

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    Brian

    During deliberations by the Royal Commission, State Authorities will be scrambling to distract attention from their near incompetence with respect to fuel load clearance and national park management and pass the blame onto climate change. This is particularly so with respect to Victoria where the terms of reference for their State review of the fires have been carefully crafted to address State response to the event and preclude any assessment of the Victorian governments dismal failures i implementing the recommendations of their last bushfire review, particularly with respect to clearance of fuel load.

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      Annie

      ‘Near incompetence’? Wilful dereliction of duty I would say. The neglect by state and local government in not taking action to make Victorians safe and secure is a disgrace.
      We once again have funeral pyre roadsides 11 years after Black Saturday, not to mention appallingly overgrown brush in the forests and Dodgy Dan’s proposed ban on logging making matters far worse. ‘Mother’ nature doesn’t care a bit about us and goes on her merry, totally unfeeling way without regard to us. You have only to see the growth river red gum suckers and seedlings put on in very short order (producing a de facto woodlot) to know that nature is very robust.

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        Roger Knights

        “and Dodgy Dan’s proposed ban on logging making matters far worse.”

        And here I was thinking that they’d be encouraging logging now!

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      el gordo

      NSW is also running an inquiry and I expect a white wash.

      Green tape and arson will get the blame, and global warming taken as a given, but no talk of the blocking high pressure sitting in the Tasman Sea for weeks on end.

      Droughty conditions were exacerbated by north westerly winds from the centre.

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    WXcycles

    Looking at those graphs, there’s not a lot of change prior to ~1960, it seem most of the rain increase trend occurred since ~1975, i.e. in the period of the modern global greening, associated with more CO2 being released, and a much healthier biota with more food available than known prior.

    If we’re to ‘blame’ for that, we deserve a pat on the back for a job well done.

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    RicDre

    It doesn’t sound like the Labor party would be an improvement over the current government:

    Left-Wing Australian Labor Party Commits to 2050 Net-Zero Carbon Emissions (Admits it Has No Idea of Cost)

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/02/21/left-wing-australian-labor-party-commits-to-2050-net-zero-carbon-emissions-admits-it-has-no-idea-of-cost/

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      Graham Richards

      ALP admits it has no idea of cost. Wrong they have no ideas at all .

      I bet Queensland ALP is thrilled about this. No power station for North Queensland? Qld ALP now saying they’ll oppose the power station at all costs.

      No problem!! They won’t be in power for the next 20 years anyway! The regional areas have had enough of these ignorant socialists & will despatch them to anonymity for 20 years. Conservatives will rebuild Queensland, as usual. The unusual part is they’ll need Phon & Katter parties to do it.
      This is a reminder to LNP not to dismiss Phon or Katter!

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    Peter Fitzroy

    It’s an interesting use of statistics to completely reverse the observed trend over the last 50 years. Is that why the 120 year interval was chosen?

    Using a more common definition of climate and the same data you get (from the third graph), but looking at the trend you get a different picture.

    Also still with BOM. which certainly backs up the narrative that it is getting hotter and drier.

    So which is correct? Certainly the lived experience would support the “hotter, drier” scenario

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      Well, we could managed the country with short term “lived experience” or we could use science and all the data eh?

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        Peter Fitzroy

        why not go back thousand years then.

        My question is was about the selection of the time interval- and why 120 years was chosen. Particularly when it starts in the Federation drought, and the averaging algorithm smears the data overall – you would think that we had not just experienced one of the worst droughts in our (white) history

        Being shadow banned means that no one will have to read this,

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          Why not? Lets go back 1000 years. I already did five years ago: http://joannenova.com.au/2014/12/australia-has-had-megadroughts-for-the-last-thousand-years-says-ice-core-study/

          I selected that time interval because it was ALL the data the BOM offered. Gettit? As I’ve mentioned 20 x this summer and in this post, 178 years of rain records show no trend in droughts. Ashcroft and Karoly et al 2019.

          PS: As people will see this they’ll know you have no idea what “shadow banning” actually is. Who would guess you get personal replies from the blog author and yet I’m trying to stop you speaking?

          Australian megadroughts

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            And note the shocking drought in 1200 AD (coinciding with the purely “local” MWP in Greenland).

            how is it that that longer drought was natural but the current one is all man-made?

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            Peter Fitzroy

            But is 120 years an appropriate time span? You have not answered that.

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              Peter, if I had 1000 years of Australian rainfall I would use that. But we only have 178 at most, and the BOM only offers 120 in those graphs. Therefore I picked “the longest”. Why are you having so much trouble with the concept of “ALL” the data.?

              The federation drought “might” skew it, but the recent drought “might” skew it too. And since we have 178 years of data in the big Eastern capitals I feel very safe saying “its a fair trend”. Since we have 1000 years of proxies, I’m happy to say “it’s mostly natural” as well.

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            pattoh

            “shadow banning”

            Ha!

            the “sunlight of truth” is omnipotent!

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          Kalm Keith

          Shadow Banned.

          That’s good.

          Perhaps I could make use of that.

          KK

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          Bill In Oz

          You are insulting the Blog’s author Fitz !
          And it got published for all of us to see !

          BTW , why 120 years ? because that’s how far back the accurate records go !
          It is only BOM which thinks there were no accurate wether observations prior to it’s birth in 1910 !
          Now that is an example of profoundly self obsessed ignorance !
          Much like your own actually !

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      robert rosicka

      Peter I had an interactive 400 year rainfall map that I posted early in the week (?) , not sure if it was BOM or not or how they guessed at the timescale but it showed Australia getting more rainfall now .
      As Andy Pitman said if you want to just go by the last 10 – 20 years you might see a decrease but over a 100 plus year timeframe there is certainly no drying trend .
      Just variability and lots of it , someone even wrote a poem about it back in the late 1800′s .

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      robert rosicka

      Also what is normal for this country can’t be truly known unless we had accurate data going back thousands of years , only then would we know what’s normal and what isn’t but even then I suspect variability will be king .

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        truth

        Absolutely right!

        We can only know past climate via proxies but all of the proxies have credibility problems that are ignored by the CAGW racket because nothing must be allowed to interfere with their escalating attack on the democracies to benefit the Marxist-Communist dictatorships.

        A trend must have a beginning with which the present is compared …and with no reliable knowledge of the EXACT metrics of the beginning…especially when dealing with tiny fractions of degrees…there is no trend…there is no climate change …only the slight warming as the earth has continued to emerge from the LIA.

        Within the CO2 era there’s only one period of significant GW that’s not interspersed with very significant coolings…and that period has totally natural causes…the ocean upwelling that was The Great Pacific Climate Shift of the late 70s and the uber-El Nino of the late 90s…nothing at all to indicate CO2 as a cause.

        The fact that those who are militantly using the CAGW fairytale to dismantle modern civilization…and those who play along for personal gratification of one kind or another….whose whole case is the antithesis of science….the fact that they are not even required by our government to specify a credible CO2-induced CAGW period within the CO2 time-frame….bodes very badly for the RC into the bushfires and the suggested RC into climate change.

        And if the Bushfire RC doesn’t produce verified/verifiable credible arson figures…we’ll know we’re being mushroomed…criminally so….it has the distinct odor of a cover-up already.

        When ‘leaders’ feel no need to get at the truth for the people and for Australia on a matter as life-changing and existential as this…they betray us and are therefore unfit to lead..IMO.

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      AndyG55

      LOL, your second link shows that since the 1970s, Australian rainfall has been on a raise plateau.

      Again, it appears that you didn’t even look at your own link. !

      The last couple of years show the NORMAL occurence of drought.

      You are mixing up the very short term WEATHER of a drought, with INCREASED rainfall since 1970

      And using temperature data from BOM, is not any indication of if it has been hotter over that period.

      The temperature data is way to corrupted by bad station sites and un-scientific data manipulation to have any meaning whatsoever.

      There has actually been no warming over Australia this century.
      https://i.postimg.cc/gkP0QLgq/UAH-Australia.png

      So, you are WRONG as usual.

      “Certainly the lived experience would support the “hotter, drier” scenario”

      Untampered data says NO. !

      Only the last 2 years have been “drier”, most people would have experienced a wetter Australia over their life time.

      Temperatures haven’t changed at all, not by any noticable amount, anyway.

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      Travis T. Jones

      If trace CO2 causes more moisture in the atmosphere, why should we expect droughts and bushfires to get worse?

      Science …

      For every 1°C (1.8°F) of warming, the amount of water vapor in the atmosphere increases by about 7 percent (%)
      https://www.climatecommunication.org/climate/heat-trapping-gases/

      Also, the UN identifies carbon (sic) as a non-toxic, non-inflammable gas.
      It can’t make fires worse.

      Carbon Dioxide Hazchem UN2187 Sign H1567
      https://nationalsafetysigns.com.au/safety-signs/carbon-dioxide-hazchem-un2187-sign-h1567/

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        Kalm Keith

        Travis,

        This; “For every 1°C (1.8°F) of warming, the amount of water vapor in the atmosphere increases by about 7 percent (%)”
        may be true.

        The Big Issue is the Assumption that human origin CO2 is going to “provide” that heating.

        I don’t know of any reputable scientists who acknowledge and confirm that the CO2 greenhouse mechanism actually functions in the atmosphere. It is a theoretical construct based on 100 year old speculation that was eventually disowned by the original speculator.

        Many scientists have been crushed by the System when they have put their heads on the block and said that the atmospheric CO2 heating effect is Non Existent.

        Even more locally you can be censored for denying that there is a significant heating effect from atmospheric CO2.

        KK

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      el gordo

      Peter your first link is probably accurate, behind that was the Great Climate Shift of 1976 and the very active sun at the end of last century. In the 21st century the jet streams have been zonal and the subtropical ridge (up until July 2017) was strong, so that kept out the typical winter rains.

      Drought in Australia is unrelated to temperatures.

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      Kalm Keith

      OMG, Peter F is right.
      The picture link definitely shows that Eastern Australia is drying out and losing rainfall at up to 100 mm per decade.

      KK

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        Kalm Keith

        On closer inspection, it seems that all we would have to do is tilt Australia by lifting WA by say 10 metres to give us a bit of tilt. All the extra water shown on the diagram in the West could then run East and even things out.

        KK

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    Serp

    The fix is in and there’ll be no beating this mob of moneyed scoundrels that has grabbed control of the Australian policy levers; one can only be grateful that Shorten’s road to ruin was rejected by the electorate –hopefully a permanent reprieve from the ascendant green idiocy which has become de rigeur in the West.

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    Russell

    Do you think Morrison (as just latest “conservative” PM) understands that the goal of the Greens is to stop all coal exports from Oz?
    Maybe not on his watch – but by softening up the punters to CC with Their ABC, he is almost guaranteeing that outcome when Labor/Green are next in power.
    Face reality, no manufacturing and no coal exports means Oz economy is truly dead. No matter how many fluffy jobs his government has created.
    And such an current opportunity in India and China who want our coal and don’t give a toss about CC.

    I’m starting to wonder if the fight for truth about CC is really worthwhile with such incompetent civic leaders.
    Maybe we should just leave this mess to the next generation and let them wallow in the product of their religious stupidity.
    Looks like Baby-boomers have been the luckiest generation. But mainly because we are conservationists and know a con-trick when it’s been played.

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      shannon

      “Maybe we should just leave this mess to the next generation and let them wallow in the product of their religious stupidity”..

      Ive been thinking the same..lately
      At least the majority of Baby- boomers know what is coming, and can prepare ..as best we can…
      My only worry…my grandchildren.. What a [snip] life they are in for !!

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    Dennis

    The link to this article has been emailed to the National Party Federal MP for Lyne electorate NSW.

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    mark jones

    Three things to come out of this enquiry-
    1/ Identify the basic truth of living with Eucalypt forests. They create fire as their raison d’être! Return to maintaining the bush as if our lives depended on it. No more lock up and lock out. National Parks equal death and destruction! Harvest growth and regrowth,if need be, return to selective harvesting of individual trees. maintain a network of roads and tracks. Return fire control and prevention to local managment outside of government.
    2/ Understand our long term weather cycles. Predict with accuracy of months a coming cycle of dry weather caused by the various weather patterns around our huge island. Give timely warnings as to the need to destock, grow fodder while conditions are favourable, storage of both fodder and grain. Prepare for bush fire reality before it become reality. CO2 is not the cause of all this. Understand what really controls those huge long lasting weather patterns
    3/ Understand that humans have every right to habituate anywhere they see fit. Understand that, as humans, terraforming has always been practiced, be it by fire stick or disc plow, split log or brick veneer. Towns, cities or small regional communities We have a right to be! By preserving this right humans then find place to also preserve environment suited to species diversity. If this species diversity increases danger to the human right it must be changed.

    OTHERWISE, we all may as well walk into the ocean and drown ourselves because we cannot justify our very existence!

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    Aussie Pete

    I will bet any money Craig Kelly is aware of these charts by now. Where is he? and can he slip copies under Scomo’s door without being caught by any of the green monster’s army that haunt Canberra’s corridors.

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    M Allinson

    I mentioned this the other day – can someone explain to me why the Trend Map in total pan evaporation (1970-2016) on the BOM site shows so much reduction in evaporation across Australia?

    I always believed that evaporation rates would go up in a “rapidly warming” world.

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      Bill Burrows

      You might like to try entering the following in your search engine and then peruse a few of the suggested papers/sites – ‘global dimming + global stilling + Michael Roderick + Graham Farquhar ‘.

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    Bill Burrows

    This thread reinforces the April 2010 – December 2011 results published in 2015 by Detmers et al. ( http://doi.org/10.1002/2015GL065161 ) that detected an enhanced carbon sink in Australia of around 2,800 Mt CO2 – e per year, over their 21 month observation period. By way of contrast our reported National Greenhouse Gas Inventory emissions were just 552 Mt CO2 – e in 2011. Of course 2010 – 11 was also a strong La Nina weather period in this country. This causes the bed wetters to proclaim that this huge sink would soon be dissipated on a return to a drier seasonal cycle.

    But does it? An overlapping example is the 2015 paper by Liu et al. – http://web.science.unsw.edu.au/~jasone/publications/liuetal2015.pdf – which documents an increasing trend in above ground biomass carbon in our northern savannas over the 20 year (1993 – 2012) period. This net biomass gain [which amount does not include concomitant gains in organic C below ground] exceeded all concurrent losses in biomass due to tree clearing, woody plant deaths (drought related) and fires occurring during the monitoring years. There are many other similar findings – see, for example, ground-based observations of long term tree growth patterns in Central Queensland (https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/8508/9a8de7430eadbc1bdfe137c651dbe7eebcb1.pdf – Fig. 1).

    Meanwhile those wanting to send Australians into an unnecessary emissions panic simply ignore the embarrassing fact that for the first Commitment Period (2008 – 2012) of the Kyoto Protocol only c. 1% of Australia’s land mass was actually taken into account in determining net emissions from the Land Use, Land Use Change & Forestry sector. In essence we restricted our accounting to estimates of land areas subject to deforestation, afforestation and reforestation. So, for example, in 2008 – 2012 the area included in these inclusive categories only made up about 10% of the Australian forest estate and around 6% of Queensland’s forest estate. Presumably all remaining areas of Australia’s forest estate were considered to be not managed? [The forthcoming Fires Royal Commission might find this an interesting angle to pursue re our National Parks, for example!].

    Now we (including our Governments and Opposition parties) are rushing headlong into the holy grail of zero-net emissions by 2050. But before we do so let us remind ourselves of some simple home truths. The only real concern (if that is your want) is Australia’s net contribution to the concentration of CO2 –e in the atmospheric column above our continent. We can never determine this figure if we do not count all our releases to, and withdrawals from, this atmosphere. And bear in mind that the atmospheric effect of CO2 (?) occurs from the concentration of the molecule therein, and not from whatever its origins.

    We already know for a fact that ground based measurements are hopelessly incomplete (see above). And as for fluxes of organic C below ground (c.50+% of the total above and below within plant rooting depths) – forget it. It is impractical to measure such fluxes at a continental scale with acceptable accuracy and precision based on ground sampling methods. Sure you can model such fluxes, but this is useless without validation of the model outputs. So why bother?

    It is my view that the only way to obtain an accurate picture of net CO2 emissions for the Australian continent is to utilise the approach of Detmers et al. (2015) as linked above. Their technique integrates all the continent’s sources and sinks of CO2 – e. Ways of validating this technique itself by targeting passes of the GOSAT or OCO2 sensors on point sampling retrieval stations (around 100 worldwide) have been outlined by Julia Marshall et al. [See: https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2015AGUFM.A53H..04M/abstract].

    Finally, with the help of many great colleagues I sampled the Australian LULUC&F sector of Australia’s biosphere for 40+ years. It is my simple view that when all our sources and sinks are properly accounted for it will be found that this continent is already achieving zero-net CO2 emissions or thereabouts – when these emissions are averaged out over any full El Nino – La Nina weather cycle.

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    TdeF

    It is quite amazing that the weather is so political. You would not have dreamed it. Conservatives think it is all crap. Socialists think the end of the world is coming, because they are told it is true by their ABC, SBS, BBC, CNN, The Age, The Guardian, The SMH and more. This is only one of the many issues which are called ‘progressive’, where people are told what to think. And it has nothing to do with real science. “The Science” is even a made up phrase used in indoctrination through the leftist media. “The Science”, 97%, “emissions”, “carbon pollution”, “hot dry summers”, “the angry summer” and so many made up pieces of propaganda, endlessly repeated.

    To be added to LGIBT, progressive, male toxicity, white privilege, imperialism, “Climate Change”.

    What are we going to do about “Climate Change” is the call? From the media.

    What happened to “Global Warming”? It has been quietly dropped as obviously not true. They are even lowering their estimated from +5C to +4 to +3 to now +1.5C and still its “Climate Change” and “carbon neutral”, “zero emissions” by 2050?

    The level of manipulation of the public by the socialist press is unprecedented. We are being indoctrinated even by the questions.

    And to my amazement, the people who are led by the nose are the over educated inner city Eloi, who believe everything they have told. Real people in real jobs with real life experience know when they are being conned. These are Clinton’s Deplorables. They do not like being told what to think and how to vote.

    Still the socialist propaganda, the indoctrination continues remorselessly without explanation.

    So what is Scott Morrison going to do about Climate Change? And our Hot Dry Summer? This question is not coming from Australians. It is coming entirely from the press.

    And of course windmills are cheaper than coal, which begs the question as to why our electricity which is only 10% wind is now 9x as expensive in Victoria. But who cares about facts when the world is coming to an end and you will soon run out of smashed Avocado and Quinoa?

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      TdeF

      And what Donald Trump and Boris Johnson and Scott Morrison have done is ignore the shrill, bleating press. And won amazing elections.
      Get rid of government taxpayer press, ABC/SBS/BBC and we might get the truth at last.

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      David

      Well said!

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    ivan

    ‘We have discovered there is something wrong with the accepted Science “…and then build on that …thats the smart political challenge to the alarmists

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    pat

    on the front page of the UK Telegraph.
    headline sounds ok, but the lengthy article is just looking for better options, not dropping the whole scam that is CAGW.
    open access, read all:

    21 Feb: UK Telegraph: Consumers at risk of being ripped off in ‘wild west’ carbon offsets market
    Exclusive: Telegraph investigation reveals concerns about offsetting projects around the world
    By Hayley Dixon, Emma Gatten and Sophie Barnes
    Consumers trying to offset their emissions are at risk of being ripped off in a “wild west” unregulated carbon market, an investigation by The Telegraph has found.
    With the trading of carbon credits enjoying a boom, concerns have been raised about offsetting projects around the world…

    It comes as The Telegraph became one of the first media organisations in the world to gain access to an illegal sapphire mine in a Madagascan conservation zone which is used to generate carbon credits but has seen increasing rates of deforestation.
    Separate satellite analysis for The Telegraph also revealed that trees are being cut down at a project in Brazil used for offsetting by both British Gas and the International Air Transport Association…

    The revelations are the latest in a long line of problems facing projects, some of which have seen saplings dying because of droughts and forests ripped up by the Cambodian army or Brazilian gold miners.
    The news comes after details emerged of Government plans to ban the burning of domestic coal and certain types of wood, as well as the sale of petrol and diesel cars, as part of efforts to tackle climate change.

    Despite the controversy surrounding offsetting, the industry is experiencing a boom from the “Greta Thunberg effect”, fuelled by big companies such as easyJet, British Airways and BP pledging to go carbon neutral and offering customers offsetting options.
    The combined global carbon trading market is estimated to be worth hundreds of billions of dollars while the voluntary market, on which individuals can purchase carbon credits, was worth $295.7 million (£229 million) in 2018 – more than double the previous year, according to Ecosystem Marketplace, which tracks global trends…

    Lou Munden, the founder of TMP Systems, a consultancy specialising in climate change which has analysed carbon markets since 2011, said:
    ***”We don’t have any good evidence one way or another to tell you whether this stuff works – we just don’t know.”…READ ALL
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/02/21/consumers-risk-ripped-wild-west-carbon-offsets-market/

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    RickWill

    I have lived in the same location near Melbourne for 28 years. This is by far the greenest February I have seen.

    I checked the BoM data for the location. Rainfall for January was 110mm in 2020. In 2019 it was 10.4mm. Average is 54mm.

    Ground level insolation in January 2020 averaged 21MJ/sq.m compared with 24.2MJ/sq.m. Essentially 1 hour less full sunshine each day for the entire month – will cost me about $20 in lost solar output. February to date is 18.5MJ/sq.m compared with 19.6MJ/sq.m in 2019.

    The minimum February insolation this year is so far 2.2MJ/sq.m (less than 1 hour full sunshine in a day) compared with 9.5MJ/sq.m in 2019.

    Smoke may have contributed to the reduced insolation but the massive increase in rainfall means much greater cloud cover. Precipitation way up and evaporation way down. The wysteria over the driveway will lasso a car parked under it overnight – I can literally see it growing.

    This is only one little part of Australia but It demonstrates the variability in weather from year-to-year. “My Country” keeps coming to mind. As the PM stated, (some) summers are longer, hotter and drier (than others). For example the late 1890s. The 20th and early 21st century enjoyed shorter, cooler and wetter summers than the 1890s.

    The burnt out areas will be recovering after good rain in the regions. All ready to burn again in 7 to 10 years.

    It is worth reading the actual terms of reference of the Bushfire Royal Commission:
    https://www.pm.gov.au/sites/default/files/files/tor-nat-royal-commission-black-summer-bushfires.pdf
    There has not been much press on (g) regarding land use planning and (f) indigenous land management practices. These should place emphasis on separation of dwellings from forest areas and the need for fuel reduction burns. I have seen it mentioned in the press that building with forested areas will be prohibited. I expect inability to insure dwellings located in high fire risk areas will limit access to finance.

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    Zigmaster

    I must admit as backdowns go to add the words no direct link to drought Is one of the more pathetic back downs ever. The original comments were made at a University presentation with no qualifications or disclaimers whatsoever . He even prefaced his comments with the comments to his students that “ this is probably not what you’ll hear but…..”. I think Andy Pitman will be a very illuminating witness in any inquiry as I don’t know whether his honest explanation of his comments will satisfy the warmists, unless he wants to perjure himself. I suspect that whether Morrison believes climate change is making climate hotter or drier his actions will be the same as if he was a fully charged sceptic. Action on climate change has to be about adaption and mitigation rather than more renewables and closing down of coal mines and Morrison realises this. He also is emphasising that Australia’s action are totally irrelevant to reducing global emissions. At least this is a least costly approach. However where the problem arises by indicating a belief in the science ( as claimed by warmists) emboldens the States and when even the Liberal states have an alarmist anti capitalistic approach to energy policy Morrison’s endorsement of their science is dangerous politics. If the Libs don’t conduct a proper audit of the climate science during this inquiry including the data gathering, at best a great opportunity will be missed and at worst it will ensure a change of government with the agenda controlled by the Greens.

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    Russell

    Morrison has set this royal commision up for a predetermined outcome. Terms of reference are bad enough, the appointment of Macintosh as one of three commissioners is why i believe this.

    Implementing UN treaties Kyoto and the Convention on Biodiversity fueled the bushfires and the royal commision could of been Morrison’s excuse to ditch these treaties, instead the co2 boogeyman is guilty before they even start.

    ”Professor Andrew Macintosh is a leading environmental law and policy scholar and is the Associate Dean (Research) at the ANU College of Law.” Much of his work has centred on climate change mitigation and adaptation, and Australian environmental impact assessment processes. He is regarded as one of Australia’s preeminent experts on carbon offsets, land sector carbon abatement and federal environmental law. His research has been published in the most prestigious environment journals in the world, including Nature Climate Change, Climatic Change and the Journal of Environmental Law, and he was awarded the Schlamadinger Prize for Climate Change Research in 2012.

    He is currently the Chair of the Australian Emissions Reduction Assurance Committee, member of the Australian Government’s Emissions Reduction Fund Expert Reference Group, member of the National Greenhouse Gas Inventory User Reference Group. Previously the Chair of the Domestic Offsets Integrity Committee, Associate Member of the Australian Climate Change Authority. Was Deputy Director of The Australia Institute, environmental advisor to the Australian Democrats, even wrote a paper with the infamous Clive Hamilton titled ”Taming the Panda: The relationship between WWF Australia and the Howard Government”
    https://climate.anu.edu.au/about/people/academics/professor-andrew-macintosh

    Why would Morrison appoint him?

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      pat

      Russell -

      Why would Morrison appoint him? (you forgot the sarc tag)

      McIntosh is also a member of the ANU’a Climate Change Institute.

      as you posted, McIntosh –

      “Was Deputy Director of The Australia Institute”

      (can’t post urls, but both the following pieces can be found from their headlines):

      2006: The Australia Institute: Heating up: bushfires and climate change
      December 2006
      by Christian Downie
      At the same time rainfall patterns in Australia are changing. Since 2002, Australia has experienced a particularly dry period largely due to the El Nino effect (see below). Moreover, climate change projections estimate that New South Wales and Victoria are likely to become significantly drier in the future. In short, there is now evidence which indicates that Australia’s climate is becoming hotter and drier…LINK CSIRO BELOW

      2005: CSIRO/BoM: Climate change impacts on fi re-weather in south-east Australia
      K. Hennessy, C. Lucas N. Nicholls J. Bathols, R. Suppiah and J. Ricketts
      CSIRO Marine and Atmospheric Research Bushfire CRC and Australian Bureau of Meteorology
      Executive Summary
      …The study is based in south-east Australia, an area projected to become hotter and drier under climate change…
      p11 Climate change projections indicate that Victoria and NSW are likely to become hotter and drier in future (CSIRO, 2001; Hennessy et al,, 2004; Suppiah et al, 2004), while Tasmania is likely to become warmer and wetter (McInnes et al., 2004)…

      28 Nov 2019: TheConversation: A hot and dry Australian summer means heatwaves and fire risk ahead
      by Catherine Ganter, Senior Climatologist, Australian Bureau of Meteorology and
      Andrew B. Watkins, Head of Long-range Forecasts, Australian Bureau of Meteorology
      Much of eastern Australia is likely to be hotter and drier than average, driven by the same climate influences that gave us a warmer and drier than average spring…
      Our current weather comes in the context of a changing climate, which is driving a drying trend across southern Australia and general warming across the country…
      http://theconversation.com/a-hot-and-dry-australian-summer-means-heatwaves-and-fire-risk-ahead-127990

      and ABC write before quoting Morrison (at Jo’s link):

      “Climate change, and specifically its effect of creating longer, hotter and drier fire seasons, will also be considered by the royal commission.”

      hard to see how Morrison can tell the truth!

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        Russell

        Pat

        Thanks for pointing this out, i did forget the sarc tag.

        Have come across McIntosh a few times over the years and his membership at the ANU’s Climate Change Institute is what’s most concerning. Something i didn’t mention earlier was all five current Australian members of the Trilateral Commission come from Crawford School of Public Policy, ANU, including John Hewson. Ross Garnaut was a member from 2005-2014.

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      robert rosicka

      Must admit when I seen the ANU reference I started to smell a rat .

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        Kalm Keith

        It’s an elephant sized Rat.

        We’re completely stuffed.

        KK

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          Kalm Keith

          Once I was unsure.

          But who signed the cheque, now it’s definitely,

          MoMalEx444.

          More troughing, gouging and skimming.

          We godda get outa this place.

          KK

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    ivan

    JPM has just skewered the whole climate debate…sadly…its all over …until it all fails
    See you on the other side

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    pat

    20 Feb: The Hill: Westinghouse to sign deal for six nuclear reactors in India during Trump’s visit: report
    By Justine Coleman
    The deal will outline timelines and name the lead local constructor for building the reactors at Kovvada in southern India, according to the news service…
    Representatives from the U.S. Energy and Commerce departments, Westinghouse, the U.S.-India Strategic Partnership Forum and The Nuclear Energy Institute have met in India for negotiations, Reuters noted…

    21 Feb: Reuters: Greenpeace protesters break into EDF’s Tricastin nuclear plant
    by Bate Felix
    PARIS – Greenpeace activists broke into an ageing Tricastin nuclear plant in France on Friday to demand its closure, a day ahead of the planned shutdown the country’s oldest nuclear reactor at Fessenheim near the German border…
    About 50 Greenpeace militants broke into the grounds of the Tricastin power station in southern France armed with jackhammers made from foam for a mock dismantling of the plant…
    State-run utility EDFPA> confirmed there had been an unauthorised entry into the administrative area of Tricastin, and said 18 activists were arrested…
    France gets about 75% of its electricity from nuclear plants…

    20 Feb: France24: AFP: France shuts oldest reactors (2 at Fessenheim), but nuclear power still reigns
    But at the same time, state-owned energy giant EDF is racing to get its first next-generation reactor running at the Flamanville plant in 2022 — 10 years behind schedule — and more may be in the pipeline…

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    pat

    21 Feb: UK Times: Households face a hike in their energy bills after a surge in subsidy payments to switch off turbines, an analysis has found.
    In the first six weeks of this year, £55.7 million was paid out in constraint payments, according to research by the Renewable Energy Foundation…
    The payments are made by the National Grid but charged to consumers and added to electricity bills.

    A high-voltage submarine power cable between Scotland and England was supposed to help to reduce the figure by allowing energy to be exported south of the border and keeping the turbines on more regularly. However, Prysmian, the Italian company which manufactured cables for the £1 billion project, said on January 10 that it had failed. It came back into operation on February 7…
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/scotland/energy-bills-rise-to-pay-for-wind-farm-subsidies-223lk58g8

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    william x

    The Royal Commission

    excerpts

    Paragraph 3

    AND the changing global climate carries risks for the Australian environment and Australia’s ability to prevent, mitigate and respond to bushfires and other natural disasters.

    Paragraph 4

    AND recognising that Australia as a nation must take action, including the development and implementation of adaptation actions to address the consequences of longer, hotter, drier seasons and weather events.

    end of excerpts.

    When a commissioner/s, and there are three in this case, are directed to a cause and action by the government before they have fully investigated all causes and evidence is disgraceful. The government has just declared itself as a powerful outside influence in the investigative process.

    The commissioners should be allowed to have open minds and judge the evidence as presented, deliver their findings and recommendations and NOT be influenced by political interests or views.

    For the Commissioners to be told an assumption that our government believes is fact, or promotes, will prejudice the inquiry.

    I believe that the RC when tabled will allow Councils, State and Federal governments and their agencies to be not held accountable as they have already found their scapegoat.

    This is totally wrong. All cause and effect needs to be thoroughly investigated. Nothing should be assumed beforehand as it can prejudice the judgement and findings. I believe the RC will not be a report that finds the truth. I fear that It will be a report that protects the backsides of those that may be responsible and it will change nothing except maybe creating more red tape…. And further loss of life and property.

    I have seen it before.

    we never learn.

    I despair.

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      Thanks for that William. I get the message.

      Better to know now. Contingency plans coming for inevitable whitewash of the 58th inquiry.

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      Serge Wright

      I’m a bit more optimistic with the RC outcome. If the inquiry is done based on sound scientific reasoning, then it should be noted that climate change policy in a country with one of the lowest CO2 emissions per sq/km is not part of any climate solution. Which ever way you look at this, all roads lead to hazard reduction and forest management.

      However, regardless of the finding of a RC, we already know that Green groups will reject any form of hazard reduction and remain welded on to their ideological / nonsensical “no burn / zero emissions” policy, which they claim will reverse climate change, cure all disease, prevent all extinctions, save the GBR and polar bears, and of course restore Australia back to an imaginary lush green continent with a nice consistent and abundant rainfall pattern.

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      el gordo

      Its our worst nightmare, a quasi judicial RC where the Commissioners are told the outcome. Its appears we have inherited a Cultural Marxist dictatorship, pretending to be a democracy.

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      Kalm Keith

      Very well put.

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    Lionell Griffith

    Is it incompetence, or self serving culpable negligence?

    It is both. They do not have your best interests at heart. In fact, they don’t even have their own best interests at heart. If they did, they would be working to make things better rather than simply worse.

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    pat

    21 Feb: Quadrant: Another Opportunity to Get Lost in the Woods
    by Mark Poynter
    (Mark Poynter is a retired forester with 40 years of experience. His second book,Going Green: Forests, Fire and a Flawed Conservation Culture was published by Connor Court in July 2018)
    https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/doomed-planet/2020/02/another-opportunity-to-get-lost-in-the-woods/

    can’t see any description of the writer:

    21 Feb: Quadrant: Bushfires and Climate Change: A Fanciful Link
    by Jarrod Brady
    https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/doomed-planet/2020/02/the-fanciful-link-between-bushfires-and-climate-change/

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    pat

    22 Feb: ABC: Queensland’s first cyclone of the season predicted to form in the Gulf
    By Anna Hartley and staff
    BOM senior forecaster Gabriel Branescu said the system would be slow moving at first, before moving south-south-west towards the southern Gulf coast.
    “It’s likely to strengthen into a category 2 as it will move over southern parts of the Gulf,” he said.
    “It’s likely to make landfall on the Northern Territory coast just outside the Queensland border on Monday.
    “The system — if it develops — will be named Cyclone Esther.”…

    Parched inland gets soaked
    Meanwhile, a separate weather system brought overnight thunderstorms and welcome rain to parts of central Queensland and the southern inland.
    Yantumara in the central highlands received falls of 191 millimetres in the 24 hours to 9:00am.
    Bauhinia Downs received 170mm over the same period, while Benaraby near Gladstone received 106mm.
    Imogen Wathen, who lives on a beef cattle property between Yuleba and Wandoan in the southern inland, said the creek running through her property has broken its banks for the first time in decades
    “Upstream, they’ve had about 8.5 inches (215mm), so it’s all come down and flooded our front creek,” she said.
    “My grandma’s been here for about 60 years and she’s never seen it break its banks, so it’s pretty impressive.”…
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-22/qld-first-cyclone-for-season-predicted-to-form/11989998

    ***ABC needs to stop looking for weather as mental illness stories:

    22 Feb: ABC: ‘Rain guilt’: When outback rain becomes a touchy subject to discuss with your neighbours
    ABC Western Qld By Craig Fitzsimmons
    Ms Paynter, a fellow grazier from Wando Station in Winton, thought there should be somewhere for people to go and report their rain.
    The idea for the Who Got the Rain? Facebook group was conceived.
    With help from Donna’s daughter the Facebook group was launched as a safe place for people to celebrate the rain…

    Experts say social connection is paramount for general wellbeing but it is not the only issue people face in the vast outback.
    ***The mental health impact from weather forecasts and reports of rain has been recognised by health services who say rates of depression, anxiety and suicide spike during years of drought…
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-22/rain-guilt-can-be-taboo-mental-health-reality-in-the-outback/11985624

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    Travis T. Jones

    So, Scotty from marketing will now prevent/control the cold fronts that follow bushfires?

    BoM: Understanding fire weather

    “A change in wind direction can bring a period of dangerous bushfire activity, this is often seen as a trough or cold front – also known as a cool change.
    In southern Australia, cold fronts are probably the most powerful influence on our fire weather.”

    http://www.bom.gov.au/weather-services/fire-weather-centre/bushfire-weather/index.shtml

    Scotty, you are a pathetic PM.

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    Toned-F

    It hasn’t been a hotter, drier Summer here in Lakes Entrance Vic. The mornings in December were often quite warm but many afternoons the temperature was only around 10-12C. January’s temperatures were 2C below average with the rainfall only 2mm less than the record. February, so far, has been well below average in temperature with the rainfall exceeding the record for this month. As far as I can recall, yesterday was the first day this year where it was sunny all day.

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      Annie

      We visited Metung and Lakes Entrance on the 23rd of January; there was a chilly wind for sure. The only warm day while we were there was the 22nd. There had been a lot of rain in the Nicholson area on the 20th and a bit more later in the week.

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    Serge Wright

    Rainfall stats present a problem for the BOM because they can’t be adjusted in the same way that the temperature data has been homogenised, to align with climate models. Amusingly, this doesn’t stop the climate alarmists from claiming we’re in a drying trend and it also doesn’t stop the BOM and CSIRO from making similar claims based on cherry picks from 1970.

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    John

    How many times have you heard the words “I’ve lived here for over 40 years and never seen anything like it.” ? Or from the ABC the word “unprecedented”? Don’t they realise that the earth is a living planet and that one lifetime is not even a millionth of a blink in an eye in the myriad of climate extremes that our planet has experienced in its lifetime and will in the next 5 billion years?

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    What I’m trying to figure out how air pressure can crush empty railway carriages and yet have no effect on the empty heads. It’s not a miracle.

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    Travis T. Jones

    Feb 2007 – UN climate report: what we don’t know

    http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2007/02/05/1840731.htm

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    DonS

    Hi Jo

    Twitter, the ABC, Nine news and most of SKY News day presenters say it’s true so it must be, right? Hotter, drier, longer is the mantra that has penetrated almost every politicians tiny brain in this country. The few who don’t agree will not stand up and speak out but instead hold low key meetings in Canberra restaurants hoping no one will find out who they are. Sad joke on us all.

    Given that the 1st two decades of this century have seen 2 of the biggest droughts in the eastern states it may be understandable how some may get the hotter, dryer, longer impression. This why we must look to the scientific data and not rely on impressions. The outrage is that institutions like the BOM and serious climate scientists remain silent while their life’s work is trashed over and over in the media. Keeping the research money flowing is more important than their reputations apparently.

    Good news is that a survey of ordinary folk outside the media/political bubble shows that 85% of them think the drought the main reason for the fires and 75% blame state and federal government mismanagement of the public forests as the other factor. In spite of an almost entirely one sided media and political climate scare campaign the Australian public is still able to see through the BS. Long may it last!

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    sophocles

    ROTFL.

    Hotter?
    – we’re one sunspot cycle (c. 11 years) away from another Maunder-style solar minimum. Maybe.
    – the last Maunder-style minimum lasted 75 years and the weather in the temperate zones was not noticeably tropical.
    – there’s problems with the planetary magnetic field which are accelerating. Low planetary magnetic fields cause freezing temperatures. But that’s fairly likely to be some decades away yet.

    – according to Dr Willi Dansgaard back in 1970: warming will stop by 2015 and the next fifty years will be cool. That `climate forecast’ he made back then has been proven pretty accurate at about +/- 3 years for each stage.

    I think I’ll go with Dr Dansgaard’s prediction.
    All the signs are lining up for a pretty near/close future warmth disaster. Like: it won’t be warm.

    If the JCU has to shut because of a blizzard, I can just see YARC taking place. Yep: Yet Another Royal Commission to tell Australians how to keep warm. Maybe you should have used those Pink Batts …

    Rain:
    Cooling times are notoriously wet. Cold times can be notoriously dry. Kayaks are kinda handy but don’t lose the paddles so lay in some spares and keep yer life jackets checked.

    Fires:
    Saudi Arabians — a desert people — are having to cope with snow in the desert in winter and floods in spring/summer.

    You lot can’t stop lightning. You have incendiary trees and with all that eucalypt oil, flammable air.
    I had to shelter from a little (relatively speaking) black cloud which walked across the countryside just a little north of Cooma on legs of lightning while throwing down tennis-ball sized hail stones and zero, nil, nothing, nada, no rain. That was in January 1991. From what I’ve been reading, there hasn’t been much change. Australia burns. The fuel load has to be minimized. Hot summers don’t seem to stop the lightning so hot summers won’t necessarily stop the winds either. Dry years with strong winds are the big fire recipe. That little cloud was the only dark spot under a blue-dome sky.

    Weather and climate are both cyclic and driven by the sun.

    Ah well. What’s the bet there will be another Royal Commission in five years time to figure out why the recommendations of this Royal Commission are not working? Whatever you do, don’t forget that politicians’ and X-Spurt’s vision is purely from a rear-view mirror.

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    Bill In Oz

    Meanwhile ……

    The drought is over ! Floods happening in Qld & NSW !

    But neither the BOM nor the ABC will admit this glaringly obvious fact !

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-23/flooding-rain-spreads-west-southern-central-queensland-inland/11991982

    http://www.bom.gov.au/products/national_radar_sat.loop.shtml

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      Bushkid

      Sadly, for many the drought is still NOT over!

      Yes, there has been some rain, there has even been a lot fo rain in places. But here and in a lot of central Queensland, the creeks still haven’t run and the dams still haven’t filled. It’s patchy, and it’s unreliable.

      We may yet get general rain that will actually break the drought, but it hasn’t happened yet.

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      pat

      Bill in Oz -

      note the ABC article was “Posted about an hour ago”.

      this info has been available for hours. I’ve been waiting for ABC to post something. if there’d been a couple of high temps somewhere, they would have been on to it in minutes.

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    Mick

    While AGW-propaganda rags continue to cherry-pick the few Norwegian regions experiencing a rather snow-less Feb, 2020 — the reality in the Scandinavian nation is that the average is well-up, with some parts actually suffering their highest snowfall totals for 15+ years. Source: Electroverse

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    pat

    21 Feb: BBC: JP Morgan economists warn of ‘catastrophic’ climate change
    By Tom Espiner
    Human life “as we know it” could be threatened by climate change, economists at JP Morgan have warned.
    In a hard-hitting report to clients, the economists said that without action being taken there could be “catastrophic outcomes”.
    The bank said the research came from a team that was “wholly independent from the company as a whole”.
    Climate campaigners have previously criticised JP Morgan for its investments in fossil fuels.
    The firm’s stark report was sent to clients and seen by BBC News.

    “We cannot rule out catastrophic outcomes where human life as we know it is threatened,” JP Morgan economists David Mackie and Jessica Murray said.
    Carbon emissions in the coming decades “will continue to affect the climate for centuries to come in a way that is likely to be irreversible,” they said, adding that climate change action should be motivated “by the likelihood of extreme events”.
    Climate change could affect economic growth, shares, health, and how long people live, they said…

    To mitigate climate change net carbon emissions need to be cut to zero by 2050. To do this, there needed to be a global tax on carbon, the report authors said…

    The Rainforest Action Network released a 2019 report claiming that the US banking giant provided the most fossil fuel firm financing of any bank in from 2016 to 2018.
    Rupert Read, an associate professor of philosophy at the University of East Anglia, and a spokesperson for campaign group Extinction Rebellion, said that the bank is “taken by some to be the largest fossil fuel funder in the world.”…
    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-51581098

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      pat

      btw JP Morgan story already being carried by Financial Times, UK Times, Guardian.

      13 Feb: WashingtonExaminer: Banking giants Goldman Sachs and JPMorgan Chase join GOP-led carbon tax push
      by Josh Siegel
      The banks join a wide array of businesses in endorsing a carbon tax proposed by the Climate Leadership Council, a group led by former Republican Secretaries of State James Baker III and George Shultz.
      Oil and gas giants BP, Shell, ConocoPhillips, and Exxon Mobil, along with automakers GM and Ford, have already donated money to the lobbying arm of the group, which advocates returning carbon tax revenue to taxpayers. Also joining the group Thursday are former Obama administration Energy Secretary Ernest Moniz and former Executive Secretary to the U.N. Framework Convention on Climate Change Christiana Figueres…

      But senior executive-level officials from both banks were among 18 business leaders who participated in a dinner dialogue Tuesday night with Democratic and Republican senators of the Climate Solutions Caucus to discuss the Climate Leadership Council’s carbon tax and dividend plan. Representatives of BP, Exxon, ConocoPhillips, Microsoft, GM, and Ford, among others, also attended the dinner, according to a list of participants obtained by the Washington Examiner…
      Despite business support for a carbon tax, Republicans in Congress, with a few exceptions, remain opposed to any form of it…

      The Climate Leadership Council’s proposal would impose a gradually rising carbon tax beginning at $40 per ton, increasing 5% every year, and would return the money to the public through equal quarterly payments to offset higher energy prices. A family of four would receive roughly $2,000 per year in dividends in the first year with the amount growing as the fee increases, the group said…
      The plan also calls for boosting the annual increase of the tax higher than 5% if the carbon reduction goals are not achieved.

      And it contains a provision, attractive to businesses, to scrap or prevent carbon regulations of power plants and all other stationary sources imposed by the Environmental Protection Agency in favor of the tax.
      https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/energy/banking-giants-goldman-sachs-and-jpmorgan-chase-join-gop-led-carbon-tax-push

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        13 Feb: Australian: Harry for hire: Prince reportedly in talks with Goldman Sachs for speaker slot
        By Valentine Low, The (UK) Times
        The Duke of Sussex is in negotiations with Goldman Sachs about being a guest speaker for the global bank. Discussions are thought to have been going on for about a year.
        The possibility of Prince Harry speaking at the Talks at GS series emerged after the duke and duchess appeared at a JP Morgan event in Miami last week.

        Guest speakers at Goldman Sachs are understood not to be paid. However, there has been speculation over whether the duke was paid for speaking at the JP Morgan event for wealthy investors…
        The Goldman talks are described as convening “leading thinkers to share insights and ideas shaping the world”…

        The Sussexes are understood to have flown to the JP Morgan event from their rented home on Vancouver Island, Canada, in the (JP Morgan’s) private Gulfstream jet…

        Attention has focused on how much Harry might have been paid…
        Estimates have ranged from $AU 480,000 to $AU1.4 million…
        Ronn Torossian, from 5W Public Relations, said: “I would not be shocked if they earned up to $1 million. Harry and Meghan will be the highest-paid speakers on the corporate market.”
        https://www.theaustralian.com.au/world/the-times/harry-for-hire-prince-reportedly-in-talks-with-goldman-sachs-for-speaker-slot/news-story/2fc7c92f151c838756e2e8a3660a4325

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          Annie

          Harry as a ‘leading thinker’? Bless his little cotton socks! (I hope they are ‘sustainable’!).

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          Choroin

          Craig’s List: “ex-royal prince, thinker, very experienced, will speak for cash and bring trendy wife for photos (costs extra).
          NOTE: Previous comments about tabloid press revoked; We need your attention at this time and will only whine about it later.”

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    theirABC chooses Paul Krugman to pontificate on the 2020 Presidential election/economy?

    ABC’s Paul Barclay intro: Krugman has been described by The Economist as the most celebrated economist of his generation. he won the Nobel Prize…

    AUDIO: 54m5s: ABC Big Ideas: Paul Krugman’s take on the US economy and what it means for the election
    Presenter: Paul Barclay
    Nobel laureate Paul Krugman explains some of the most vital economic policy issues of our time…
    What makes economic sense and what’s fiscal myth?
    And he assesses some economic policies put forward in this US presidential election. Economy might decide the winner of this election and the outcome will reverberate across the world…
    Sandra Shaber Memorial Lecture, Arguing with Zombies: Economics, Politics, and the Fight for a Better Future, presented by the Free Library of Philadelphia. January 30, 2020…
    Speakers
    Paul Krugman – New York Times op-ed columnist; Nobel Prize winner in 2008 for his work in international trade and monetary geography
    Chair: Mark Zandi – Chief Economist, Moody’s Analytics (Predicted Hillary Clinton to win the 2016 Presidential election in a landslide over Donald Trump – Wikipedia)
    https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/bigideas/paul-krugman%E2%80%99s-take-on-the-us-economy-and-what-it-means-for-the/11932482

    (paraphrasing)
    38m25s to 39m40s:
    Q: what’s your take on fossil fuel divesture, both in terms of its on the fossil fuel industry & potential impact on climate change?
    Paul Krugman (NYT): …Greta Thunberg is totally right. nobody should be investing in fossil fuels at all…the fossil fuel industry right now is actually a zombie industry. it should be dying and it’s kept going largely through the political power of the special interests…in the end we are going to need a lot more in the way of government policy to make it happen, but surely YOU (seems to address the audience) don’t want to be one of those people who has a stake in continuing to destroy civilisation? (LAUGHTER, APPLAUSE).

    from 43m05s, Barclay plays some meaningless segment from an old Big Ideas, re inequality, poverty & future of work. says these are a few things leading more people to question conventional notions of growth-fuelled free market capitalism.
    (Barclay to panel of writers in earlier Big Ideas: we look at two of the big challenges that the world faces at the moment – climate change and inequality). (NOTHING WORTH LISTENING TO).

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      21 Feb: UK Telegraph: America’s most outspoken economist takes on the Trump ‘zombies’
      Nobel Prize winner Paul Krugman takes on ‘Trumponomics’ and warns the UK economy risks slipping into a persistent state of stagnation
      by Tom Rees
      PIC: Paul Krugman has broken out of academic circles in the US to appear on late night chat shows
      Paul Krugman warns that Capitol Hill has been overrun by zombies ahead of November’s crucial US election.
      Washington’s living dead and their “zombie ideas” are shambling along and feasting on the brains of voters and policymakers, says the Nobel Prize-winning economist.
      “Trump’s domestic agenda is built around the usual Republican zombies…”…
      Krugman worries that “zombie ideas” – those that should have been killed off by evidence but stumble on to infect voters and policymakers’ minds – have already taken hold in the US.
      The 66-year-old insists in the opening line of his new book Arguing with Zombies that “punditry was never part of the plan”, yet he has become America’s most outspoken economist in the Trump era…

      reminders:

      15 Nov 2019: Yahoo Finance: Paul Krugman: Always Wrong, Never in Doubt
      by David Harsanyi, National Review
      One of the nation’s leading doomsayers has been the New York Times’ perpetually mistaken Paul Krugman, who warned shortly after the 2016 election that Trump’s victory would trigger a global recession “with no end in sight.” We could file that under “post-election hysteria,” but as late as April of this year he was still telling crowds that the bond-market signals predicted “a pretty good chance of a recession sometime in the next year or so.” And he has kept this going all year:
      February 11: Paul Krugman expects a global recession this year, warns “we don’t have an effective response.”
      August 1: “Why Was Trumponomics a Flop?”
      August 15: “From Trump Boom to Trump Gloom”
      September 5: “Trumpism Is Bad for Business”
      October 3: “Here Comes the Trump Slump”
      October 24: “The Day the Trump Boom Died”…

      9 Nov 2016: Politico: Paul Krugman: Trump will bring global recession
      By ADAM CANCRYN
      The economic fallout of a Donald Trump presidency will probably be severe and widespread enough to plunge the world into recession, New York Times columnist Paul Krugman warned in a New York Times opinion piece (LINK) published early Wednesday…
      Calling Trump the “mother of all adverse effects,” the Nobel Prize-winning economist predicted that the GOP nominee’s administration could quickly undo the progress that the markets around the world have made in the eight years since the financial crisis…
      “Under any circumstances, putting an irresponsible, ignorant man who takes his advice from all the wrong people in charge of the nation with the world’s most important economy would be very bad news,” he wrote…
      Krugman’s pessimistic view comes in the wake of a more than 800-point plunge in U.S. stock futures that coincided with Trump’s increasingly strong showing in the polls…

      19 Feb: Heritage: Trump’s Critics on the Economy: So Wrong, So Often
      by Stephen Moore
      Key Takeaways:
      1: A chorus line of the President’s critics predicted an economic and stock market free fall if Trumponomics were implemented.
      2: Trump didn’t destroy the economy. He rebuilt it.
      3: The wonder of it all is that the anti-Trumpers are still squawking from their lofty perches as if nothing that happens in the real world really matters…
      A chorus line of President Donald Trump’s critics, including the best and brightest minds of the liberal intelligentsia, predicted an economic and stock market free fall if Trumponomics were implemented. They weren’t just wrong; in many cases, they were fantastically wrong. So wrong that Paul Krugman, the leader of the Armageddon brigades four years ago, recently had to cry uncle. He begrudgingly admitted the Trump economy is doing “pretty well,” which is like saying that Kansas City Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes had a “pretty good year.” Then, he insisted that Trump is a moron…

      And in case there was any voter confusion about the menace that Trump represented, a Washington Post editorial in October 2016 declared, “A President Trump Could Destroy the World Economy.” There were dozens of stories about why the Trump tax cuts couldn’t and wouldn’t work.
      You might even say there was a “scientific consensus.”…READ ON
      https://www.heritage.org/markets-and-finance/commentary/trumps-critics-the-economy-so-wrong-so-often

      ***Elder and Sowell are black Americans.

      TWEET: Donald J. Trump:
      Paul Krugman is a lightweight thinker who doesn’t have a clue. Caused huge economic damage to his follower’s pocketbooks. He, and others, should be fired by @nytimes!
      LINK ***Larry Elder (attorney, author, and radio program host) re-tweet:
      ***Thomas Sowell (economist and social theorist who is currently a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University; libertarian conservative)
      “People like Paul Krugman were saying that when Trump gets in, the economy is going to tank. No. The economy hit new highs. There are so many people, especially among the intelligentsia, who are absolutely immune to facts.”
      26 Jan 2020
      https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1221426584646815744

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    Choroin

    I’m sure the data ‘corrections’ will be on the way soon in order to wet the past and change the trend.

    Scott Morrisson is crashing and burning on this issue.

    All we need is a PM with a spine who is willing to hold the line and tell the Truth; tell the media to hang and let the CSIRO know that a royal commission is on the way to investigate climate data meddling and ideological bias within our supposed ‘scientific’ body. Then watch the roaches scurry in all directions like a pest controller has just arrived.

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