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Quick Dick McDick explains to Protestors the secret of Vegan Margarine …

 

A talkie talkie picture book that should be in every public school:

Brilliant delivery. So simple, even an XR protestor might get it…  Enjoy!

 

h/t Willie

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186 comments to Quick Dick McDick explains to Protestors the secret of Vegan Margarine …

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    Dennis

    Quick Dick send that to the thick thick.

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      hatband

      What’s his point?

      Anyway you slice it, Margarine is Vegan.

      Vegans don’t have issues with Hydrocarbons, as far as I know,

      but with Proles consuming their Natural Human Diet, which is Fat + Meat + Water, no Carbs.

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        Peter C

        Paleo diet!
        Yummm.

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          hatband

          Not the Paleo Diet.

          Have a Red Tick.

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            OriginalSteve

            Mmmmmm…steak….yum…..

            Margarine is banned our house as eating plastic is bad for you….and eating marg made of vegans ( vegan marg ) creates all sorts of moral dilemmas….

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        Peter C

        What’s his point?

        Hmmm.

        It is said that no one goes broke by underestimating
        people’s intelligence (H L Menken).

        Jo thought even an ER protester might understand, but then again maybe they could be like you.

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          hatband

          Okay, I get it now.

          You assume that those promoting the Carbohydrate Diet, AKA Veganism, walk the talk.

          Sorry, Virginia, but Diet Hucksterism has a long history.

          Greta is more likely to be sinking her fangs into a rare Porterhouse than a LentilBurger

          backstage after the Show.

          Much, much more likely.

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            Peter C

            Err,

            Actually “we are talking about how a Vegan Diet combats Climate Change”.

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              hatband

              We are?

              That’s insane on so many levels.

              1. Plants are Sentient beings too. They feel pain and fear, plus they’re Herbivore and

              Omnivore Food. From an Ethical point of view, this is unacceptable.

              2. Plants deplete the soil, and human health is dependent on soil health.

              3. Industrialised Plant cultivation require [a] scarce Water in large quantities.

              [b] Huge chemical inputs, not only damaging the soil, but also causing massive

              air pollution and water pollution issues

              4. Humans are anatomically Pure Carnivores. Eating any Carbs provokes

              an Insulin Response, and it’s all downhill from there, baby.

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                OriginalSteve

                Ive met plants smarter than climate protesters…which validates the theory that plants are sentinent entities…..

                If you water a climate protester will they produce something useful though? Maybe after the glue dries?

                Ha ha

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                Richard

                I am a vegan and love eating lamb, beef & anything that eats vegetables . I don’t eat lions or tigers

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            el gordo

            ‘Okay, I get it now.’

            Methane is a potent greenhouse gas, so its only reasonable that all cattle, sheep and pigs should be taken off the menu to save the planet.

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        Another Ian

        Might want a detailed analysis of ingredients

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margarine#Manufacturing_process

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          Another Ian

          Around that area – A friend used to use the term “inorganic fish fingers”

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          tom0mason

          Another Ian,
          And processing canola seeds ain’t all that ‘green’!
          See this video for what goes into the processing canola seed (or rapeseed)to make it into and edible product …
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6DR_KWDoXU
          And to process canola seeds to oil and margarine it’s just powered by sustainable unicorn tears transformed to carbon neutral fuel through the transfiguration of lunar rainbow cloud back-radiation! And then it’s packaged in attractive plastic containers.

          I’m staying with butter, beef fat, lard and olive oil.

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        How did you miss it Hatband? when the video is full of points about Vegan butter, over and over he points to something even Vegan butter lovers fail to understand their hypocritical lifestyle, when they go out and protest against themselves without realizing it.

        Did you even run that video at all?

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        Sylvain

        You have to listen to the video to understand. You would get your answer in the first 30 seconds : someone (David Suzuki) said that we should switch to a vegan diet to combat climate change. Quick Dick McDick just shows how stupid this advice is.

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      Bill In Oz

      Did I enjoy this ?
      No. I don’t enjoy being shouted at.
      Does this dude have subtitles ?
      PS : He misses a few stages in the processing of oil seeds into margarine.
      One of those heavy industrial processes involved the use of Sodium Hydroxide,
      Not Vegan Friendly at all.
      Pity he missed it.
      Or did I miss it becasue I gave up being shouted at ?

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    Postcript

    A similar point may be made about fire-fighting in Australia.

    How much fire-fighting is powered by wind turbines and solar panels?

    The answer is not much more than by unicorn farts.

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      A point I make with warming worriers is that if they truly believe that cutting all fossil fuel use in Australia will have a benefit, then they should stop using all modern technology etc that relies on fossil fuels (and everything derived from fossil fuels). That way they will do their bit and the remainder of Australians will need less energy.

      Then when they argue that it’s not enough for just the them to stop, everyone has to do so, I counter with their own argument suggesting what’s the point of Australia doing excess, when the rest of the world isn’t following suit? Dumb silence follows.

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      AP

      Bemused, I used to make a similar point to people opposed to foreign investors in Australian mining projects. I’d ask them “when xyz company was a listed junior, did you support it by buying shares in it?” …Crickets chirping…

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        hatband

        The issue with these Coal Mining projects, Adani in particular, is that they use cheap foreign

        labour and contribute nothing toward acquisition of skills and knowledge in Australia.

        Now, you might need Foreign Investment for Hard Rock Mining, but this is Coal, it’s just below the

        surface waiting to be dug up.

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          The problem with wind turbines is that it uses cheap foreign labour and contributes nothing towards the acquisition of skills and knowledge in Australia.

          Worse yet, it sends money overseas and the construction of windmills employs barely anyone, especially after installation.

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            hatband

            Erm,… the Coal is going to India

            Unless they’ve got some very long extension leads, CFPSs in India won’t be

            much good to us when the lights go out.

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              AndyG55

              What have you got against the people of India that you want to stop them from trying to get reliable electricity ?

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                hatband

                Nothing in particular against Indians, apart from not liking them.

                I’m in Australia, though, and whether or not Indians live in grass huts

                and burn dung for fuel, or build a 27 storey house like that bloke in Mumbai

                is none of my business, and that’s it.

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                hatband

                It’s worth noting that the Brahman Cattle are sacred to the Hindu, yet we’ve been

                knocking them on the head for 60 years

                Maybe it’s all good, though, if they haven’t found out yet?

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                Richard

                Trans mission requires power . The longer the lead the greater the loss but high presure (voltage) AC reduces the loss. A documentary on tidal generation actually demnstrated this . Greens used an existing infrastructure to attach their simple generator. They then learned up rotation clockwise had to countered mechanically for down asthe waves returned, It lit a globe on the pier . 100 meters to their van and not enough power. As Tesla tauht Edison DC is not practical and tranmission uses power. The longer the lines the greater the loss

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              Erm,… the Coal is going to India

              And Australia gets money from that coal, workers get money from working in the mine, local businesses get money from supporting the mine. We get nothing from buying all the crap needed for windmills.

              Additionally, as noted, Australia is also helping India modernise. Looks like you’re one of those people that want brown people to remain in poverty.

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                hatband

                Looks like you’re one of those people that want brown people to remain in poverty.

                Exporting our Patrimony overseas isn’t going to do anything for those brown

                people you’re gushing crocodile tears over, but it will give a leg up to brown

                people building themselves 27 story houses in Mumbai.

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                I see that not only don’t you want Australia and Australians overall to benefit from our plentiful resources (leave the coal in the ground and enjoy free renewable energy), you don’t want anyone else to benefit either.

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                mobihci

                royalties are the key issue for QLD. Labor keep sucking money out of the budget for what ever purpose.. come to think of it, who knows where it goes.. the $83 billion dollars we are in debt atm. the $4 billion from coal in the 2017/18 period keeps us going.

                without the royalties labor would have killed the adani project, but they cant have their cake and eat it too. they should never have been allowed to govern anything larger than a sausage sizzle.

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                AndyG55

                “anything larger than a sausage sizzle”

                Nothing worse than an uncooked or overcooked sausage at a sausage sizzle..

                Labor would manage a mix of both, with nothing edible in between.

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            AP

            Too true Bemused. I was recently staying in a construction camp for a very large solar farm and most of the labour was French.

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          el gordo

          Adani said there won’t be any fly in fly out of Indian labour, so your brothers jobs are safe.

          In late 2017 Adani had the full backing of China Machinery Engineering Corporation (CMEC), didn’t even need government money to build the rail line, but Bob Carr intervened and China pulled out.

          CMEC is waiting for the political climate to change before they venture back.

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            hatband

            How’s Bob Carr tied in with Adani?

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              Fred Streeter

              An ex-politician?

              Grappled them unto his soul with hoops of gold?

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              el gordo

              Beijing money was on the table and then a closet Green walked into the room.

              ‘Former foreign minister Bob Carr says he has been assured that no Chinese investors will help Adani’s controversial Carmichael coal mine in remote central Queensland.

              ‘Mr Carr has been lobbying Chinese organisations against the project on behalf of the Australian Conservation Foundation for the past three weeks.’ ABC

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    pat

    when it comes to humour, don’t underestimate Greta n& Friends. here they are in the bosom of the Davos mob! you can’t make this stuff up:

    10 Jan: World Economic Forum: Agenda 2020/01 Davos
    by Greta Thunberg, Climate & Environmental Activist
    •Young climate activists, including Greta Thunberg, will be attending Davos this year to put pressure on world leaders to end the fossil fuel economy.
    •In 2017 alone, the world spent $5.2 trillion subsidising fossil fuels.
    •”Anything less than immediately ceasing these investments in the fossil fuel industry would be a betrayal of life itself,” writes Greta.
    This article originally appeared in The Guardian – TEXT:

    (excerpts from Greta) Towards the end of January, chief executives, investors and policymakers will gather in Davos for the 50th anniversary of the World Economic Forum.
    Young climate activists and school strikers from around the world will be present to put pressure on these leaders.

    We demand that at this year’s Forum, participants from all companies, banks, institutions and governments immediately halt all investments in fossil fuel exploration and extraction, immediately end all fossil fuel subsidies and immediately and completely divest from fossil fuels.
    We don’t want these things done by 2050, 2030 or even 2021, we want this done now – as in right now…

    To some it may seem like we are asking for a lot. But this is just the very minimum of effort needed to start the rapid sustainable transition. The fact that this still – in 2020 – hasn’t been done already is, quite frankly, a disgrace…
    The theme of this year’s gathering in Davos is “stakeholders for a cohesive and sustainable world”…

    • Greta Thunberg is a 17-year-old environmental campaigner from Stockholm, Sweden. This article was co-written with youth climate activists Jean Hinchliffe, Australia; Danielle Ferreira de Assis, Brazil; Joel Enrique Peña Panichine, Chile; Robin Jullian, France; Luisa Neubauer, Germany; Licipriya Kangujam, India; David Wicker, Italy; Julia Haddad, Lebanon; Oladosu Adenike, Nigeria; Iqbal Badruddin, Pakistan; Arshak Makichyan, Russia; Holly Gillibrand, Scotland; Alejandro Martínez, Spain; Isabelle Axelsson, Sweden; Sophia Axelsson, Sweden; Ell Jarl, Sweden; Mina Pohankova, Sweden; Linus Dolder, Switzerland; Vanessa Nakate, Uganda; Tokata Iron Eyes, USA
    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/01/davos-abandon-fossil-fuel-economy-climate-change-greta-thunberg/

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      Russell

      I recall that, at this time of year, Davos is just a little chilly. What do Greta & Co. think is being used to heat the buildings in which this boondoggle is held and those in which the attendees stay? Granted, it could all be done with electricity which, in turn, is generated by nuclear plants in Europe but I very much doubt if this is the case.

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      mem

      Young Greta would do well to fly home as her house is on fire and she will be left all alone…https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/01/11/swedes-vote-climate-policy-biggest-waste-tax-payer-money-2019/
      Yes that’s right folks, Greta’s home country thinks climate change action is the biggest waste of tax payer’s money ever.

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        mobihci

        haha, personally I believe the art for earthworms and fungi did deserve more funding than climate policies, so the poll is probably correct.

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      OriginalSteve

      Will all the school age attendees be wearing regulation red scarves and waving a small red book and fawning over ever word of Dear Leader?

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      AP

      Those subsidy figures are always lies. They include things like public infrastructure – railroads and the like which are run on an arms-length commercial basis and return profits to the state. In this case, they are probably also including the “cost of carbon” at some ridiculous price. The US EPA used several NPV discount rates to calculate the present value “cost” of a tonne of CO2 (they never take into account the benefits). The discount rates (if memory serves me correctly) varied between 0.5% and 2% meaning the price of “carbon” is vastly inflated compared to a more reasonable discount rate. Discount rates for financial evaluation of public infrastructure for example are commonly around 7%.

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      AP

      Also these people are rarely very good at understanding financial concepts. Its a fair bet if you delved into their numbers you would find one or more of the following errors:

      Confusion between real and nominal figures
      Addition or subtraction of present value and undiscounted nominal future values
      Basic mathematical errors
      Double counting
      Counting benefits as costs.

      Ive seen all of these things in green literature.

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    Binny Pegler

    The next climate change summit should be totally fossil fuel free. No offsets.

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    Funniest Video I’ve seen in ages.

    Almost as funny as the 10:10 video, and umm, before I get shredded by you know who, that was sarcasm right there.

    Tony.

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      Greg in NZ

      Who said Kanuks had no sense of humour:

      Quicketh Dicketh McDicketh rocks! Dig that hat.

      BTW, everyone here I speak to are so happy we’ve had two (2) days in a row of ‘summer’ weather at last – calm & warm – finally, in January, while Oz (as expected) gets cooler/wetter easterly trade winds.

      Climate Change* is over: long live changing climates! Or seasons…

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        WXcycles

        … cooler/wetter easterly trade winds.

        Unfortunately no, it’s cooler, but drier air and not many showers. Humidity and rainfall are both fairly low at present and the storms are not dropping much rain as the air’s still too dry. It doesn’t look like we’ll get much of a wet-season unless Lows spin up to cyclones in the Gulf of Carpentaria, and drift south over QLD and NT – no sign of any Lows forming there yet though. Even the weaker monsoon flow coming from SEA and from east of the Philippines is dried out. TC Blake last week, and the current cyclone off north WA, have not much rain in them, the projected totals are on the low side. Dry air dominates, except for States neighboring Mozambique plus to the ENE of the Solomon’s. But a large very warm SSTA east of NZ is pulling all the Lows adn cyclones in the eastern Coral Sea SE towards that warm SSTA. Thus further pulling moisture and rain opportunities away from QLD’s coast and interior. If the current pattern of dry air and unfavorable winds persists through the second-half of Summer the drought will spread next Winter. Wish it were not the case, but the accelerated summer jetstream flow is throwing drier air into the tropics and colder snowier air over NZ (which is now easing but is likely to return with the next major jet).

        https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/overlay=sea_surface_temp_anomaly/orthographic=-168.77,-33.59,487

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        farmerbraun

        I guess that there are few, if any, farmers amongst those happy folk to whom you refer.
        However it is raining here in the lower North Island at present and the cool southerly change is about to go through .The heavy, cold raindrops that accompany the brief Sou’wester will precede the change.
        Later today the flow will come from the South-East .
        My newly emerged Japanese millet field could scarcely be happier . . . .well , warmer would be nice , but that can wait for hay -baling about Sunday or Monday.

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    pat

    behind paywall – LOL:

    11 Jan: Financial Times: Siemens offers climate activist seat on energy arm’s board
    The chief executive of Siemens has offered a 23-year-old German climate activist a seat on the supervisory board of the company’s soon-to-be created energy business, in response to a string of protests against the industrial giant’s involvement in the development of a controversial Australian coal mine.
    Joe Kaeser extended the offer to Luisa Neubauer during a meeting in Berlin on Friday, while environmental campaigners took to the streets in 40 German cities, as well as outside Siemens’ headquarters in Munich…
    https://www.ft.com/content/4e14174e-33d2-11ea-9703-eea0cae3f0de

    11 Jan:: Medium: Diversity in Leadership and why Everything is about to Change
    by Margarethe R. R. Steffens LL.M.
    Just around the corner from Heidelberg, where I am writing this, history for company leadership has been written today. At 12 o´clock, supporters of Friday for Future gathered in front of the Siemens building in Mannheim, Germany, to protest the company`s business deal with Adani, the Indian company behind the Carmichael mine in Queensland…
    But surprisingly, the German head organiser Luisa Neubauer, 23, was offered a seat in Siemens Energy´s “Aufsichtsgremium”. This is an organ equivalent to the “Aufsichtsrat” (supervisory board) whose task is to control the board (“Vorstand”). Siemens Energy is set to be legally founded in April 2020 as a new daughter company under Siemens AG. Just in time for Luisa Neubauer`s 24th birthday.

    On the positive side: Siemens is the first company to officially offer a position to a young, bright, climate concerned female.
    I am appreciative of the guts Joe Kaeser showed to make this announcement quick and despite the noise of old white dudes (who dont get it) sh**ting on him now. He is a true leader in that sense. One whose example will be followed by many. Why?
    Every company that wants to survive until 2022 should restructure their leadership to be representative of the population it serves…
    On the not so bright side: This could be seen as a clever PR move. Green washing per excellence…

    Update January 11th: She (Luisa) declined the position, because it is more important to save the world (than any individual company). Let´s go!
    https://medium.com/@margarethe.steffens/diversity-in-leadership-and-why-everything-is-about-to-change-luisa-neubauer-and-siemens-b9d63331bc8e

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      AP

      Shareholders should sue Siemens. Appointing such an inexperienced person to a supervisory board is clear negligence and a breach of its fiduciary duties.

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    hatband

    Adani isn’t getting built, and Scotty is Talking Tough on reducing Emissions.

    Bottom Line: Money walks when Scotty talks.

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    Deplorable Lord Kek

    the basic point is wider: if the believers of cagw continue to do things that they claim are bad for the environment.

    -no planes
    -no cars
    -no baseload power
    -no mechanized industry
    -no meat (not even burger king at klimate konferences)
    -no plastic

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    pat

    why have elections at all?

    9 Jan: BusinessGreen: Cream of UK green business talent appointed to assist UK citizens’ Climate Assembly

    9 Jan: ClimateAssemblyUK: House of Commons Advisory & Academic Panels working on Climate Assembly UK announced
    Climate Assembly UK was commissioned by six cross-party House of Commons Select Committees in summer 2019 in response to the Government’s commitment to meet net zero carbon emissions by 2050.
    Climate Assembly UK will meet for the first time at the end of January and will have three further weekend meetings before the end of March. The 110 assembly members will consider how net zero can be achieved by 2050 and make recommendations on what the Government, businesses, the public and wider UK society should do to reduce carbon emissions…

    Three groups of experts are considering the Assembly in detail:
    •The Expert Leads (LINK) ensure that Climate Assembly UK upholds the key principles of balance, accuracy and comprehensiveness, and that the assembly focuses on key questions about how to achieve net zero emissions by 2050;
    •The Advisory Panel (LINK) is made up of key stakeholders with an interest or expertise in the areas of climate change that Climate Assembly UK will examine. The Panel offers feedback to the Expert Leads on key aspects of the assembly’s design, such as who is invited to speak, the topics of discussion, and the balance of information provided;
    •The Academic Panel (LINK) is made up of researchers working on areas of climate change to be covered by the assembly. The Panel will use its expert knowledge to review written briefings for Assembly members and to support the Expert Leads in their role.
    https://www.climateassembly.uk/news/advisory-and-academic-panels-working-climate-assembly-uk-announced/

    some of the “cream” – see the rest at links above:

    Expert Leads includes:
    Chris Stark, Chief Executive of the Committee of Climate Change
    Jim Watson, Professor of Energy Policy and Research Director at the UCL Institute of Sustainable Resources ETC

    Advisory Panel includes:
    Fernanda Balata, ***New Economics Foundation
    Doug Parr, Greenpeace…
    Rebecca Williams, RenewableUK ETC

    Academic Panel includes:
    Professor John Barry, Professor of Green Political Economy, Queen’s University Belfast
    Professor Jason Chilvers, Professor of Environment and Society, University of East Anglia
    Professor Nick Eyre, Professor of Energy and Climate Policy, University of Oxford
    Dr Clair Gough, Senior Research Fellow with the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research, University of Manchester ETC

    reminder re ***New Economics Foundation:

    21 Jul 2008: Oil Change: “100 months to save the planet”
    Such is the need for urgent action that we only have only 100 months to save the planet, according to a new policy group called the Green New Deal Group
    Andrew Simms from the New Economic Foundation in the UK and member of the new group warns that the combination of the current credit crunch, rising energy prices and accelerating emissions are “conspiring to create the perfect storm”…(
    http://priceofoil.org/2008/07/21/%E2%80%9C100-months-to-save-the-planet%E2%80%9D/

    Guardian carried Andrew Simms’ ridiculous “100 months to save the world” column, til the period expired and they didn’t even acknowledge it.

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    Hey kid – yr smart phone, it’ll hafta’ go! Uses more kwh per year than yr average family refrigerator. Uh-oh, gotta’ save the planet! http://science.time.com/2013/08/14/power-drain-the-digital-cloud-is-using-more-energy-than-you-think/

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      OriginalSteve

      Hey…iphone has to go…if it cant keep my steak and cheese and eggs cold….

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      Yonniestone

      Hey don’t forget the elements and rare earth metals!

      Human life is comprised of about 30 of the 118 elements on the periodic table, but your iPhone needs 75 of them.

      For starters, silicon is used in transistors and, along with aluminum, potassium, and oxygen, also comprises the reinforced glass covering an iPhone’s screen. Lithium is used in the phone’s battery—and the batteries of many other electronics—while carbon, one of the most common elements, is found throughout the phone.

      In addition to the “conflict minerals,” iPhones also require “rare earth minerals,” which are found in small pockets around the world and often hard to mine. These minerals, including yttrium, terbium, europium and gadolinium, are also crucial to the development of the iPhone. They’re used in the phone screen’s display color, allow the vibrating units to vibrate, and make volume possible from the speakers.

      Most of these minerals are mined in China, where the millions of nearby residents are threatened by radioactive waste and other byproducts China’s lax environmental laws have failed to police. Electronics companies, however, don’t have a choice in regard to using these minerals, as it turns out, most do not have adequate substitutes.

      https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/nz7kwm/the-periodic-table-of-iphone-elements

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        WXcycles

        Electronics companies, however, don’t have a choice in regard to using these minerals, as it turns out, most do not have adequate substitutes.

        Frankly, nor should they, there’s nothing wrong with using these elements and molecules when mined, processed and treated in sustainable ways (more expensive, thus less economically competitive, looking at you China).

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        Chris

        Yonniestone, you forgot ‘dyominium” ( sorry wrong spelling) which is mined and processed in middle Mongolia. Lakes have been polluted, irrigated
        ( from the lake) crops dead, livestock dead, babies born with crumbling bones and extreme cancer rates. This product is used in phones, tv’s and in wind turbines. The current method of processing this mineral would not be permitted in first world countries.

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    pat

    29 Dec: Outdoor News: AP: Wyoming winter traffic hazard: salt-loving mountain goats
    JACKSON, Wyo. — Dozens of salt-loving mountain goats are coming down from the slopes of western Wyoming to lick up the salt-and-sand mixture that snowplows spread over a highway, leading to collisions with vehicles traversing the icy canyon roadway.
    At least three goats were hit and killed by motorists over a five-day span in October and November near the tip of the Snake River Canyon south of Jackson and near the Idaho state line, Wyoming Game and Fish wildlife biologist Gary Fralick told the Jackson Hole News & Guide…

    The mountain goats, which are not native to the area, appeared to learn in 2012 about the mineral-rich salt that’s spread over the roadway in winter to make driving safer, officials said.
    They tend to gather at the start of winter and again in the spring, when the first grasses appear at the roadside…
    There have been fewer crashes in December since Fralick and Wyoming Highway Patrol officials started driving the animals off the highway, he said…
    The animals then bolted when the trooper revved his engine near the herd…

    Officials are considering solutions that include leaving salt blocks on the hillside to keep the goats from seeking out highway salt. But Fralick said he’s reluctant to take that step because it might lead to increased disease transmission among the animals that gather there…
    The salt-and-sand mixture left by the snowplows is necessary, Department of Transportation foreman Bruce Daigle said…
    https://www.outdoornews.com/2019/12/29/wyoming-winter-traffic-hazard-salt-loving-mountain-goats/

    11 Jan: Daily Mail: Wildlife is flourishing in Fukushima’s ‘exclusion zone’: Researchers capture images of more than 20 species including wild boar, macaques and a raccoon dog near the abandoned nuclear plant
    •Areas around the reactor were evacuated following radiation leaks in 2011
    •The power station had been damaged by the Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami
    •Experts used 106 remote cameras to survey the wildlife around the nuclear plant
    •The findings reveal how animal populations respond after such disasters
    By Ian Randall
    Wildlife ecologist James Beasley of the University of Georgia, in the US, and colleagues used a network of 106 remote cameras to capture images of the wildlife in the area around the Fukushima Daiichi power plant over a four-month period…
    The researchers found that species of animal that normally exist in conflict with humans — such as wild boar, raccoons, and Japanese macaques — were mainly spotted in the human-evacuated zones around the disabled nuclear facility.
    ‘This suggests these species have increased in abundance following the evacuation of people,’ Professor Beasley added.

    Wild boar, for example, were photographed around 26,000 times in the uninhabited regions where nuclear contamination is most severe, as compared to around 13,000 and 7,000 times in the restricted and still-inhabited zones, respectively…
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-7873865/Wildlife-flourishing-exclusion-zone-disabled-Fukushima-nuclear-reactor.html

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    Graeme No.3

    At home with the Thunbergs from BBC Scotland. How did it get on the BBC? Is BBC Scotland independent?

    https://www.facebook.com/BBCScotland/videos/at-home-with-the-thunbergs-only-an-excuse/550606562449954/

    There are other sources as people were quick to copy it to the net. I downloaded a copy as an mp4 movie, just in case. (12.7Mb)

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    Deplorable Lord Kek

    On a related note:

    Exclusive Video: UN’s Whopper of Hypocrisy: UN climate activists line up for Burger King at Madrid summit despite UN’s warning on dangers of eating meat

    MADRID, Spain — The UN climate summit in Madrid has been hit with a whopper of hypocrisy as delegates and activists attending are lining up daily for hamburgers at the conferences’ onsite Burger King despite the UN warnings that eating meat is not climate-friendly.

    https://www.climatedepot.com/2019/12/12/exclusive-video-uns-climate-whopper-un-climate-activists-line-up-for-burger-king-at-madrid-summit-despite-uns-warning-on-dangers-of-eating-meat-actor-harrison-ford-confronted-on-uns-hypocris/

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    DonS

    Hi Jo

    Thanks for the laugh on a Sunday arvo.

    I often wonder why comedians avoid the global warming kooks as a massive source of material. Trump makes one slip and they are all over him like the proverbial bubonic plague yet serious commentators in the media spout madness day after day and not a joke to be found apparently.

    No doubt comedians are worried about being black listed if they dare go against the flow but that is what good comedy is about and I think there is a big audience looking for an alternative to the usual garbage being peddled.

    Then again from what I’ve seen of some of these climate crazies making fun of them might be akin to making fun of Islam, a bit too dangerous.

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    Thanks for posting that video, Jo. Smiling is a great way to start a day, and it sure did make me smile.

    Regards,
    Bob

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    Lionell Griffith

    It is not a joke. It is for real.

    Nearly everything the demented green climate alarmist say and do about their so called CO2 footprint INCREASES their CO2 footprint by exactly the same mechanisms. If they use it and it has to be produced, energy (coal, oil, gas, and a negligible trickle of wind, rain, and sunlight) is necessarily used in its production. The only way they can achieve their stated goal is use and consume things they find on the forest floor just as they find it. This means they must eat only leaves, twigs, and poison mushrooms, wear nothing, and live out in the open without fire or shelter. But they won’t and don’t. That is what they demand the rest of us to do. They give stupidity and hypocrisy a bad name.

    Why do we keep paying attention to them. They are as divorced from reality as a naked madman walking down the middle of the road. incoherently screaming insults to anybody and nobody, while wearing a sign board that says, “Repent! The end is coming.”

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      PeterS

      Why do we keep paying attention to them.

      Not sure. Better ask PM Morrison because he is listening to them more and more. He is now convinced he must act more on climate change thanks to the cries to do so by the MSM.

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        OriginalSteve

        You dont want to be another Chamberlain…..

        HOping the jackals eat you last isnt standing up to them….

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          PeterS

          Yes Morrison is becoming more and more Chamberlain-like. We need a Churchill-like figure to fight the war from the left. Trump is our closest figure in the West but unfortunately he is alone; for the moment. Now that Iran has made a huge blunder leading the major protests not unlike the Hong Kong ones, the whole West might now wake up and see the real crisis and not play games with climate change.

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      Greebo

      Why do we keep paying attention to them.

      I never have.

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      AndyG55

      “Why do we keep paying attention to them”

      Problem is that they keep making things more and more difficult for normal people. !

      They should just stick to their own and leave everyone else alone.

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        Greebo

        Yep. But if a lefty such as Ricky Gervais can skewer elites such as Tim Cook perhaps the tide may indeed be turning.

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    pat

    it can’t get much more ridiculous. surely people have had enough of this nonsense:

    12 Jan: BBC: Federer responds to climate change critics over Credit Suisse links
    Tennis star Roger Federer has responded to climate change critics – including campaigner Greta Thunberg – by saying he takes the issue very seriously.
    Activists oppose Federer’s sponsorship deal with Credit Suisse over its links to the fossil fuel industry.
    Some appeared in court this week after refusing to pay a fine for playing tennis inside Credit Suisse offices in 2018 to highlight Federer’s deal.
    Federer did not address the deal directly in his statement.
    The activists – most of them students – appeared in court in Renens, Lausanne, on 7 January to appeal against the fine. Some supporters gathered outside holding banners which read: “Credit Suisse is destroying the planet. Roger, do you support them?”

    Greta Thunberg – the Swedish teenager who has become the public face of worldwide protests against government policies on climate change – joined the criticism against Federer and Credit Suisse when she retweeted a post from activists 350.org Europe…

    In his response, the 20-time Grand Slam champion who is in Melbourne for the Australian Open, said: “I take the impacts and threat of climate change very seriously, particularly as my family and I arrive in Australia amidst devastation from the bushfires.”
    Federer said he had “a great deal of respect and admiration for the youth climate movement” and was “grateful to young climate activists for pushing us all to examine our behaviours and act on innovative solutions”.
    “We owe it to them and ourselves to listen. I appreciate reminders of my responsibility as a private individual, as an athlete and as an entrepreneur, and I’m committed to using this privileged position to dialogue on important issues with my sponsors.”

    For its part, Credit Suisse has said it is “seeking to align its loan portfolios with the objectives of the Paris Agreement [to combat climate change] and has recently announced in the context of its global climate strategy that it will no longer invest in new coal-fired power plants”…
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51082875

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      WXcycles

      Tennis star Roger Federer has responded to climate change critics – including campaigner Greta Thunberg – by saying he takes the issue very seriously.

      Catch a plastic sail boat to the next Tennis open then.

      … and as an entrepreneur, and I’m committed to using this privileged position to dialogue on important issues with my sponsors.”

      He’s an entrepreneur!

      *rolls eyes*

      entrepreneur
      n. A person who organizes, operates, and assumes the risk for a business venture.
      n. One who undertakes a large industrial enterprise; a contractor.
      n. One who takes the initiative to create a product or establish a business for profit; generally, whoever undertakes on his own account an enterprise in which others are employed and risks are taken.

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      Annie

      I used to have some respect for Federer…it’s now evaporated.

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    pat

    MSM/Obama gang still interfering in US elections!

    12 Jan: Guardian: How bad can the climate crisis get if Trump wins again?
    US greenhouse gas emissions are up since 2017 and Trump’s administration has ripped up curbs on climate polluters
    by Emily Holden in Washington
    In the absence of any federal climate action, states, cities and businesses have pledged their own efforts, seeking to encourage other big emitters like China and India to continue to slow their growing climate pollution.
    Andrew Light, a climate negotiator for President Barack Obama’s state department, said the world is taking note of those efforts, but if Trump is re-elected “you are going to see a lot of people who are worried anew about what the US can do.”
    Americans choosing Trump would send the signal that they don’t care about the climate, Light said…

    Under Trump, the oil and gas industry contributing heavily to the climate crisis is thriving. Oil and gas-related industries in the US are planning to build 157 new or expanded plants and expand drilling over the next five years – releasing as much greenhouse gas pollution as 50 new coal-fired power plants, according to a report from the Environmental Integrity Project.
    As the technology for retrieving oil and gas has advanced, with hydraulic fracturing, the cost of production has plummeted. The US is now a net exporter of oil products…
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jan/12/climate-crisis-if-trump-wins-again

    10 Jan: Breitbart: Shadowy Liberal Group Began Investigating Trump-Ukraine Months Before the ‘Whistleblower’ Complaint
    by Kristina Wong
    Months before a whistleblower complaint that would spark the Democrat effort for impeachment, a shadowy liberal group founded and staffed by Obama administration alums and former Democrat congressional staffers launched an outside investigation into whether President Trump’s allies were seeking “foreign interference” from Ukraine in the 2020 elections.

    The group, American Oversight, began investigating the issue in May — more than two months before the “whistleblower” filed a complaint…READ ON
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/01/10/shadowy-liberal-group-began-investigating-trump-ukraine-months-before-the-whistleblower-complaint/

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      pat

      ***Chief Justice Roberts is considered a RINO by many Republicans:

      10 Jan: GatewayPundit: FISA Court Appoints Obama-Era National Security Leader at DOJ to Review FBI Reforms
      by Cristina Laila
      Last month presiding FISA judge Rosemary Collyer announced she would be stepping down early due to ‘health issues.’
      ***Chief Justice Roberts tapped Judge James Boasberg, an Obama appointee to replace Collyer.
      On Friday, Judge Boasberg announced in an order that he has appointed Obama-era national security leader at the DOJ David S. Kris as amicus counsel to review the reforms the FBI will be making to its FISA application process…

      And just like that, Obama holdovers are once again in charge of the FISA court.
      FBI Director Wray also detailed the bureau’s plan to add oversight after abusing Carter Page by rolling out a new training video.
      And no one will be disciplined for the criminal acts.
      https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/01/fisa-court-appoints-obama-era-national-security-leader-at-doj-to-review-fbi-reforms/

      11 Jan: Daily Caller: Ex-DOJ Official Picked To Assist FISA Reform Was Ardent Defender Of FBI’s Surveillance Of Carter Page
      by Chuck Ross
      Former DOJ official David Kris was picked Friday to oversee the FBI’s reforms of its surveillance procedures in the wake of a damning inspector general’s report.
      Kris was an ardent defender of the FBI’s surveillance of Carter Page. He was also a vocal critic of Republicans who suggested the FBI misled the surveillance court in its applications to wiretap Page.
      In one essay, Kris endorsed a suggestion that Rep. Devin Nunes should face obstruction of justice charges.
      Nunes told the Daily Caller News Foundation the choice of Kris is “shocking and inexplicable.”…
      https://dailycaller.com/2020/01/11/david-kris-fbi-fisa-carter-page-nunes/

      10 Jan: WashingtonExaminer: Revealed: Identity of top FBI official who leaked secret information to media
      by Jerry Dunleavy
      The name of a former top FBI official who leaked sensitive information over the course of hundreds of communications with at least six reporters can be revealed by the Washington Examiner.
      His identity is contained in a 21-page report obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request. The report reveals that investigators for Department of Justice Inspector General Michael Horowitz determined that Bryan Paarmann, 53, the deputy assistant director of the FBI’s international operations division from 2016 to 2017, “improperly disclosed court-sealed and law enforcement sensitive information to the media” in violation of FBI rules…

      Although most identifying details about the reporters in question and the cases Paarmann was leaking details of were redacted, the Washington Examiner was able to identify one of the reporters in question, Los Angeles Times reporter Del Wilber, and two of his stories that the DOJ’s watchdog alleged contained details leaked by Paarmann.

      A West Point graduate and former U.S. Army officer, Paarmann’s website features a photograph of him standing next to Mitt Romney, the junior U.S. senator for Utah and the 2012 Republican presidential candidate, and states ETC…
      Paarmann and Wilber exchanged 55 calls and emails and met for dinner or drinks four times…
      The DOJ decided not to prosecute Paarmann. The FBI declined the Washington Examiner’s request for comment. Wilber declined to comment.
      FBI Director Christopher Wray moved Paarmann into running the FBI’s counterterrorism operations in NYC in 2017, but he has since retired
      https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/revealed-identity-of-top-fbi-official-who-leaked-secret-information-to-media

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    pat

    more and more, it resembles child grooming:

    12 Jan: Scotsman: Attenborough boost for climate change campaign
    by Conor Matchett
    The presence of the world’s leading natural historian could inspire a generation and lead to Scotland’s discovery of its own Greta Thunberg, the philanthropist Sir Tom Hunter has said.
    His comments came as he announced Sir David Attenborough as the speaker for his next fundraising dinner, set to take place at the National Museum of Scotland on 18 February.

    The world-famous broadcaster and scientist will speak to around 800 people at the event months before the focus of the world shifts to Glasgow during the United Nations’ climate change summit in November.
    Hunter also challenged secondary school students to come up with ideas of how to deal with the climate emergency, with the potential of winning a table at the talk and a chance to speak to Attenborough.

    The businessman, who has invited Michelle and Barack Obama to previous dinners for his charitable foundation, The Hunter Foundation, said the dinner would be a chance to reflect on Attenborough’s extraordinary life and put Scotland on the map with the battle against climate change…
    “It will put Scotland at the centre of this. I am probably a bit late to this climate emergency, certainly my kids have been educating me for some time. But I think when you watch and listen to a man like Sir David, he is a change agent – if he says this is the way it is, the world believes him.”…

    A table at the dinner will start at £5,000 with around 800 people expected to attend.
    https://www.scotsman.com/news/environment/attenborough-boost-for-climate-change-campaign-1-5073661

    Wikipedia: Tom Hunter (The Hunter Foundation)
    His donations and beneficial projects have included:
    US$10–25 million to the William J. Clinton Foundation…

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    pat

    12 Jan: Stuff NZ: Climate change education resource to be in schools in 2020
    A new tool for schools will help children understand how to live with climate change, and also how they can make a difference.
    Climate Change Minister James Shaw and Education Minister Chris Hipkins announced Sunday that texts, videos and guidance for teachers will be available to all schools, following a pilot programme at Christchurch’s South New Brighton School in 2018.

    Climate Change – prepare today, live well tomorrow, would help students understand the effects of climate change on a local, national and global scale, Hipkins said.
    “Young people have shown us how important this topic is for them, and there’s been a lot of interest in the development of this resource.
    It explains the role science plays in understanding climate change, aids understanding of both the response to it and its impacts – globally, nationally and locally – and explores opportunities to contribute to reducing and adapting to its impact on everyday life.”

    South New Brighton School teacher Melanie Field said there was a lot of discussion in the coastal community about sea level rise and climate change when the pilot was introduced.
    At the start, many children were uncertain and fearful about the impacts of climate change, she said. As well as providing information, the pilot also addressed the emotional side of things…

    PIC: Swedish environment activist Greta Thunberg has led a worldwide climate change call by young people. Now the issue is on the school curriculum
    The resource is designed for level 4 (years 7-10) of the New Zealand Curriculum.
    It adds to existing curriculum resources that focus on national identity, Sustainability Development Goals, sustainable economies and personal and environmental wellbeing.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/118703882/climate-change-education-resource-to-be-in-schools-in-2020

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      Greg in NZ

      In today’s Stuffed programming,

      an article on Christchurch’s temp drop from 32°C to 16°C yesterday when a southerly buster blew away a warm nor’wester – same as it ever was, ie. weather. Today’s max will reach 17°C.

      “The temperature isn’t expected to get back to 20C until Friday”. It’s only Monday – a week of it? Holey Settled Science, Yo Mann, we want our warming and we want it now! (a pleasant 25° up north where I’m at)

      Wonder if the NZ Greens’ C.C.C.rap (un)education curriculum will include subjects such as physics, chemistry, biology, geology, history – to provide, as they so often shout about, ‘diversity’ – for school children to begin developing their own unique, inquisitive, well-balanced perspective(s) on the world… and why it’s so cold in the middle of summer 2020.

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        sophocles

        Still no cicadas.
        I heard one trying to start a week before Christmas.
        It didn’t sound very happy.

        There were no cicadas in Auckland until the last weekend in January 2019. They came out for the so-called “heat wave” over that weekend. They’ve been rare over the last few summers.

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    TdeF

    As Quick Dick points out, it is all illogical, vegan included unless you grow your own food.

    However the best comment by Ricky Gervaise at the 2020 Golden Globes was “”You’re in no position to lecture the public about anything,” he declared. “You know nothing about the real world. Most of you spent less time in school than Greta Thunberg.”

    That’s accurate. Our rich arrogant advisers in Hollywood are incredibly ignorant school dropouts. And I am increasingly of the opinion that the journalists who power the world’s press are on a par, science ignorant people who act in concert on whatever opinion is fed to them by the extreme left of politics, even on subjects like North Korea, China and Iran.

    We have this week seen the arrival of Morrison derangement syndrome. It seems Bill Shorten (remember him) or Hillary Clinton would have created world peace and prevented bushfires. And the press have stopped even pretending to use logic with bushfires.

    So how dare Scott Morrison go to Hawaii for a holiday when the State Governments who are totally responsible for bushfire prevention and handling and the whole mess are blameless.

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      PeterS

      We now should see his critics quieten down now that he admits he has to do more about climate change. He has been bullied into it by the MSM. He is a COWARD with no backbone.

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        WXcycles

        No way, this is political Peter, the lefty media will crucify him no matter what he does. He should have ‘done a Thatcher’ and called out the nonsense, rejected it with vigor, and lead according to sound principles.

        He’s blown it, IMO.

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          PeterS

          I was being sarcastic. Clearly no matter what he does the MSM will continue to hate him and say anything and everything that will help to bring him down; not that he needs that much help.

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        Greebo

        He still lives in mal’s shadow, sadly. Where’s TA when we need him?

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    TdeF

    As for margarine, it was invented by chemists as a butter substitute. Just as beet sugar was invented by Napoleon’s chemists as a substitute for the British cane sugar from the Caribbean. I would think butter, cream and cheese involve far less energy than margarine and can be made at home from milk. The vilification of animals and natural processes is just absurd.

    I remember when the biggest problem was an exploding world population, at a time when the total population was a third of that today. So now the biggest problem facing humanity is not food supply but food type? I would have thought the extra 6 billion people breathing out would be the problem but in the press the greatest crime is to fly.

    Shipping Greta around the world in plastic boats with diesel engines is high farce. There appears to be no science and certainly no self awareness in the Climate Change group think. No one even bothers to define Climate Change but that’s because with the self evident collapse of man made Global Warming, no one actually knows what Climate Change is. Certainly not Greta. Bushfires perhaps?

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      Roy Hogue

      If margarine was the real or only problem here I wouldn’t have taken the time to say what I said below.

      The real biggest problem isn’t food supply but blind human stupidity.

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        Wayne Job

        As Einstein said “there are only two things that are infinite The universe and stupidity and I am not sure about the universe;

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      PeterS

      Cults don’t need clarification, they thrive on lies not facts or real science.

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      WXcycles

      No one even bothers to define Climate Change but that’s because with the self evident collapse of man made Global Warming, no one actually knows what Climate Change is.

      Climate-Change“: A series of confected brazen scams generated and utilized by proto-communists to aid in stealing other people’s money using protracted ruses of fabricated pretenses, excessive production and propagation of lies, especially to the young, plus active avoidance of observation, logic and facts in concert with hijacking scientific methods, debates and publications, in order to spread an air of doom, with which to parasitically steal even bigger wads of other people’s cash in perpetuity.

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    Roy Hogue

    They can have their vegan crops for all I care. It all sounds like a pile of crop to me.

    How long do they think a city as big as the Los Angeles metropolitan area can feed its vegans without the tons of food, let’s not even mention anything else, hauled in by train and truck every single day? All of it is pulled over the rails or the pavement by diesel fuel.

    Very funny video but I just asked the critical question right there. And even if they say do it all with electricity where do they expect that power to come from? A gold star is yours if you answered conventional generating plants almost all of which need fossil fuel.

    They are writing the prescription for the death of millions as we descend into the world of several hundred years ago. Or we reject them and then put the ship back on course. It’s becoming sink or swim and I want to swim.

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      Roy Hogue

      PS:

      The area I’m talking about extends from the Pacific Ocean more than 50 miles inland and from just north of San Diego County to the mountains north of LA, about 120 or so miles. It’s wall to wall city. It imports water from hundreds of miles away just to prevent dying of thirst.

      Anyone who believes as these protesters do is either on a suicide mission or a mission to kill others.

      If you think I’m exaggerating you haven’t been here. And if you think I’m mad about all the foolishness, you’d be correct.

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    TdeF

    Yes, but these people are being told by newspapers, radio, television and their friends that carbon dioxide is killing the planet and that there are clean and cheap alternatives. Many of these people have heard nothing else since were born. And they are told this by Climate Scientists including Al Gore, James Hansen and Tim Flannery. And that 98% of all scientists agree with this conclusion.

    And Cher, Barbara Streisand, Jane Fonda and friends tell them that their President is evil, m*d, a lun*tic, anti Semitic and more dangerous than Stalin and Mao combined and that he stole the election and needs to be impeached urgently.

    How do you counter that?

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      Another Ian

      Win the next election?

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        Greebo

        Trump doesn’t need to. Pelosi, Schiff, Nadler, AOC et al have already lost it, cheered on by Sanders and Biden. Oh, and that idiot Buttigieg.

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      hatband

      Trump is obviously a crook and a fraud, as well as being a liar and logged in as a passenger on

      Epstein’s Lolita Express, so Streisand, Cher, Jane Fonda, and the rest are on solid ground there.

      [So "obvious" that you could not find any reputable source to support your libelous claims?]ED

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      Roy Hogue

      How do you counter that?

      I don’t know but soon enough the effects of Sacramento, San Francisco, LA and others will be impossible to ignore. There’s nothing like pain in your own anatomy to wake people up. For the rest of the world I know even less of what is actually happening but it always looks bad so eventually…

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    JC

    Very interesting that the Davos crowd and their hangers on would invite Greta in. They are now clinging to this brat like she is some sort of life raft.

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      AndyG55

      Having Greta as their greatest tool, shows just how absent their actual science really is.

      Its all just for show…

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        Another Ian

        Andy

        I’ve just finished reading “Taxing Air”, published 2013.

        Seems to me that if this book was re-compiled today it would mostly have amplifications of the points made there-in and very few deletions.

        Which means that the result of the trillions spent looking for CAGW/climate change/climate emergency etc has a ROI of about SFA.

        And we’re supposed to heed other projections from that source?

        Maybe the financial watch dogs ought to have a different set of corporate executives in their sights?

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      PeterS

      Well the way PM Morrison is acting lately admitting on TV he has been convinced he must do more about climate change he might think about inviting her over to advise him on what needs to be done. He is a huge disappointment.

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        TdeF

        That’s why Turnbull broke all conventions to make sure Morrison was PM.

        What Turnbull hadn’t considered is that Morrison was also extremely pragmatic and practical manager. And everyone knows there is no difference at all Australia can make to world CO2 output, even if we all stopped breathing today. And you can pass all the laws you want about electric cars, there is not enough electricity and we cannot afford the cars anyway and we do not make cars or anything else. We cannot live without coal exports. As for electric aircraft, that’s just looney.

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    Another Ian

    ‘Conservatives are people who love something actual and want to retain it.

    (Or it could have been ‘attain’ it – but whatever, the general sense remains. Conservatism, unlike the hate-riddled philosophy of modern leftism, does not define itself in opposition to things nor is it obsessed with theory. Rather it springs from the very things the left is always accusing it of lacking – positivity and love).’

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/01/12/rip-sir-roger-scruton-britains-greatest-conservative-philosopher/

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      PeterS

      Well that rules out PM Morrison being a cosnervative. He’s admitted on TV that he has to do more about climate change to satisfy the critics yelling out he has to do more to fight the fires. He is a huge disappointment. He has no backbone. He is a coward.

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    OriginalSteve

    Some links about “farting” plants …… :-)

    https://www.eeo.ed.ac.uk/vegetation-methane-emissions/

    “The Methane Project

    “Methane is a potent greenhouse gas, with a global warming potential 25 times greater than that of carbon dioxide (CO2). It is now accepted that methane is generated naturally by microbial anaerobic processes occurring in wetlands, rice farming, landfill sites, and ruminants, i.e. cows. However, recent research has suggested that vegetation may also release methane via an, as yet unknown, aerobic pathway. Such an aerobic pathway would help explain the observation of unexpectedly high concentrations of methane over tropical forests, and may well represent a significant global source of methane. The big questions that remain is how terrestrial plants generate this aerobic methane? And how large is this potential methane source in terms of the global carbon budget?

    https://phys.org/news/2014-06-methane-source-greenhouse-gas-amino.html

    “There are more natural sources of the greenhouse gas methane than previously known to science. Plants are one of these sources. A German-British team led by researchers of the Max Planck Institute for Chemistry in Mainz and the University of Heidelberg, recently discovered that methane in plants is produced from the amino acid methionine, which all living organisms need for the building of proteins. The scientists also propose a mechanism which could explain the abiotic production of methane, i.e. without the aid of enzymes, in plant cells. Already in 2006, the Max Planck researchers discovered that plants can release the gas. However, it remained unclear how the hydrocarbons were created in the plants.

    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/2019/03/trees-release-methane-what-it-means-climate-change/

    “Years earlier, he wrote, he’d cut down some cottonwood trees and “observed the formation of bubbles in the sap upon the freshly cut trunk, stump and chips.” When he struck a match, the gas ignited in a blue flame. At the university, he replicated the flame test on a campus cottonwood and this time captured gas samples. The concentration of methane was not much below the level measured in samples from Kansas’s natural gas fields.
    The finding was reported mainly as a novelty and faded into obscurity.
    Tree methane is back, in a big way.

    “An expanding network of researchers has discovered methane flowing out of trees from the vast flooded forests of the Amazon basin to Borneo’s soggy peatlands, from temperate upland woods in Maryland and Hungary to forested mountain slopes in China.

    https://www.jstor.org/stable/2261594?seq=1

    Journal Article

    The Relationship of Vegetation to Methane Emission and Hydrochemical Gradients in Northern Peatlands

    Jill L. Bubier
    Journal of Ecology
    Vol. 83, No. 3 (Jun., 1995), pp. 403-420
    Published by: British Ecological Society
    DOI: 10.2307/2261594
    https://www.jstor.org/stable/2261594
    Page Count: 18

    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0089588

    “Abstract

    “Plants are a major factor influencing methane emissions from wetlands, along with environmental parameters such as water table, temperature, pH, nutrients and soil carbon substrate. We conducted a field experiment to study how different plant species influence methane emissions from a wetland in Switzerland. The top 0.5 m of soil at this site had been removed five years earlier, leaving a substrate with very low methanogenic activity. We found a sixfold difference among plant species in their effect on methane emission rates: Molinia caerulea and Lysimachia vulgaris caused low emission rates, whereas Senecio paludosus, Carex flava, Juncus effusus and Typha latifolia caused relatively high rates. Centaurea jacea, Iris sibirica, and Carex davalliana caused intermediate rates. However, we found no effect of either plant biomass or plant functional groups – based on life form or productivity of the habitat – upon methane emission. Emissions were much lower than those usually reported in temperate wetlands, which we attribute to reduced concentrations of labile carbon following topsoil removal. Thus, unlike most wetland sites, methane production in this site was probably fuelled chiefly by root exudation from living plants and from root decay. We conclude that in most wetlands, where concentrations of labile carbon are much higher, these sources account for only a small proportion of the methane emitted. Our study confirms that plant species composition does influence methane emission from wetlands, and should be considered when developing measures to mitigate the greenhouse gas emissions.

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      TdeF

      I would suggest that anaerobic decay would produce methane, CH4 so what is happening even in tropical forests under tons of detritus is partial decay. This is a process which ultimately gives us natural gas. I would doubt though that we have the density jungle and forests and amount of aerial CO2 which enabled the creation of our coal, oil and gas fields in the ‘carboniferous’ period, which is a bit of a clue. And there was plenty of life on earth, none of it human.

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      Chris

      Methane occurs when carbon based life forms die and start rotting . However when methane enters the atmosphere it is attacked by hydroxyl molecules ( OH-). These molecules are created by ultraviolet light hitting water vapour molecules (H2O) near the equator and splitting it into H+ and OH-. The OH- molecules break the methane CH4 bonds and recreate CO2 and H2O molecules. The Atlantic rift also occasionally burbs out CH4. NASA has measured one of these burbs in cubic miles.

      Gunky compost bins give off methane. However if you add fresh bacteria ( from brown vegetation- dead leaves and the like,) and give it a good stir thus adding oxygen , within 24 hours your gunkiy stinking bin will have heated up , it now smells sweeter and more pleasant and it is no longer giving off methane but it is giving off CO2.

      Methane is not warming our atmosphere.

      PS. Rice paddies also give off heaps of methane.and nobody is suggesting that Asian people should give up rice.

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    open access:

    13 Jan: Australian: Newspoll: Scott Morrison given political uppercut on bushfires, but no knockout blow
    by Simon Benson
    In the meantime, the PM has to walk a tightrope after opening the door to a broader policy response to climate change.
    For the Coalition, this issue has always been a case of managing two constituencies.
    Morrison knows the linkages being made between climate change and fires are at a more heightened level now.

    There will be a temptation for some to read climate change into the latest poll numbers. This would have been a reasonable assumption if the Coalition’s primary vote had followed the same path as Morrison’s own numbers.
    Nevertheless, Morrison has sought to address the issue and ­acknowledge the amplified ­awareness. By confining further action to “resilience” rather than emissions targets he was careful not to unintentionally signal to the conservative flank of the party room that he was about to reposition…
    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/newspoll-scott-morrison-given-political-uppercut-on-bushfires-but-no-knockout-blow/news-story/9dc26a520efc77e4c53f8eb58b472519

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      AndyG55

      “acknowledge the amplified ­awareness”

      Problem is , that its actually an amplified UNAWARENESS driven by the anti-CO2 MSM and greenie AGW lobbyists.

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    13 Jan: AFR: Morrison could ditch Kyoto credits
    by John Kehoe
    He emphasised taking “practical” short-term steps to protect communities, by building resilience and adaptation to climate change linked extreme weather events, because the summer was becoming “longer, hotter and drier”.
    He has previously flagged analysis of hazard reduction, fuel loads and controlled burns – usually the responsibility of state governments…

    12 Jan: Prime Minister’s Office: Transcript: interview with David Speers, ABC Insiders
    SPEERS: The problem is, Prime Minister, we need to reduce our emissions?…
    PRIME MINISTER: I understand that. And we are reducing emissions. Emissions today are 50 million tonnes less on average each year under our government than under the previous government. We meet our 2020 and beat them 411 million tonnes…

    SPEERS: Well your own department…
    PRIME MINISTER: Let me finish the answer David, by 2030 we have a 26 per cent reduction target. It is my intention, and this is the key point, to meet and beat that target…

    SPEERS: Thanks to these carryover credits?
    PRIME MINISTER: Well, if we’re in the position where we don’t need them and we’re able to continue to reduce our emissions and use the technology and make the investments and continue to evolve our policy to ensure that we can reduce our emissions within the policy framework that I took to the last election, which was without putting a tax on people’s living, without increasing people’s electricity prices, without writing off $70 billion-dollar industries on which regional Australians depend on for their livelihood, and I believe we can achieve all of that. We have the highest level of renewable investment in Australia on record…
    https://www.pm.gov.au/media/interview-david-speers-abc-insiders

    13 Jan: SMH: ‘Perfect storm’: The energy industry struggles to keep the lights on
    By Nick Toscano
    Summer in Australia means extreme weather, sweltering heatwaves and devastating bushfires…
    The hotter it gets, the more people switch on their airconditioners – hiking demand for power and placing extraordinary strain on the grid.
    Compounding this pressure is the susceptibility of ageing coal power plants to sudden breakdown on hot days, stripping significant supply out of the market with little or no notice. Making matters worse still, bushfires pose the threat of knocking out key transmission lines at critical moments.
    This summer, however, began with parts of the grid looking especially frail.

    This summer’s bushfires have brought down vital interstate links, leaving the grid on a knife-edge for hours at a time. Although reluctant to say so openly, some energy insiders have privately expressed concerns the system could be facing its biggest test in years. “A perfect storm” is how one described it…

    On one hand, the decade-long energy policy vacuum at a federal level has stunted the investment needed to spur new forms of generation to replace the ageing and increasingly failure-prone fossil-fuel facilities. The Morrison government, meanwhile, points to the influx of wind and solar projects providing more intermittent supply – largely under ambitious state-based schemes – without enough coal and gas to support them…
    Most in the industry believe both of these factors are partly to blame for the perilous state of the grid…

    Market-wide, summer reliability has become more challenging due to ageing plants and the abrupt closure of Victoria’s 1680-megawatt Hazelwood power plant in 2017, which (Origin Energy supply chief Greg) Jarvis says was an upheaval…

    “We can take advantage of the diversity we have in Australia,” Zibelman says, “so the size of the country becomes an advantage rather than a disadvantage.”
    https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/perfect-storm-the-energy-industry-struggles-to-keep-the-lights-on-20200110-p53qie.html

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    robert rosicka

    I’m seeing reports that Daniel Andrews was warned three years ago about dangerously high fuel loads but he buried the report and did nothing .
    Hopefully if true the report will surface .

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      AndyG55

      Wouldn’t it be fun to plaster that all over the news headlines ! :-)

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      PeterS

      They were warned a long time ago, state and federal. CSIRO prepared a report in 2009 claiming that global warming was to increase the risk of bush-fires and recommended that more fuel reductions be done. So given our governments have followed with the global warming part of the report how come they didn’t also follow the CSIRO recommendation to reduce the risk?
      Bushfires in Australia – Parliament of Australia

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      Maptram

      Didn’t see that mentioned in a post from someone a few days ago who said that the NSW LNP has had 9 years to cut fuel loads and also referred to Canberra (I assume they meant The Federal Government).

      And I recollect the previous Victorian ALP Government was in power in 2009 when the CSIRO report was released.

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      Greebo

      Hopefully if true the report will surface .

      Won’t make any difference. Victorizuela’s greatest export is conservatives. The greatest import is a population which has English as barely a third language. Red Dan will only depart Spring Street in a coffin.

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    el gordo

    Memo to those organising the defence of CO2 at the Royal Commission, there are now stiff penalties in place for making false testimonies. Strongly suggest we call Gergis and Karoly to tell whether this bushfire season and the droughty conditions that preceded it, was in anyway unprecedented?

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      robert rosicka

      Don’t think there has ever been a government or court anywhere in the world that’s put CO2 on trial , methinks there is too much money at stake if everyone realises the only evidence is a guess and a computer model that can’t even predict past weather events let alone future ones .
      The UN won’t allow the scam to be uncovered .

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      Greebo

      Strongly suggest we call Gergis and Karoly to tell whether this bushfire season and the droughty conditions that preceded it, was in anyway unprecedented?

      If they use the BOM’s methods they would be correct.

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    John

    Nuh uh.

    All my food is certified 100% carbon neutral.

    And I live in Canberra so my power (80% of which comes from coal power stations) is 100% renewable too.

    I am 100% free of carbon sin.

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    Peter Fitzroy

    I’ve been wondering if this blog would set up a button to donate to the bushfire relief efforts?

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      There’s already a zillion of them on facebook Fitz, if you really wanted to donate.

      Tony.

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      AndyG55

      Here’s a thought, why don’t you start up your own blog and put a donate button on it.

      Except it would remain empty, wouldn’t it.

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      David Maddison

      Are you virtue signalling Peter?

      There are more than enough ways to donate. More ways will reduce the efficiency of collection.

      And coming from you, such a request is especially disingenuous since the severity of the fires is mostly due to “green policies restricting or banning fuel reduction burns.

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      Peter Fitzroy

      didn’t think anyone here would want to help their fellow citizens, worth a try but

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        AndyG55

        So you aren’t even prepared to start up your own donation site.

        You expect someone else to do it for you, right.

        That is really pathetically hypocritical of you.

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      Greebo

      Doubtless it will have occurred to someone of your undoubted intellect that the logistics of setting up such a scheme on a site of this nature would be so problematic as to be impossible? Or were you attempting a low, cheap shot? Jo has to jump through hoops simply to get meagre funding for this blog you so enjoy trolling. The fiscal oversight required for charitable donations is beyond the individual.

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    Absurd and hypocritical no longer matter. Diesel Thunberg could burn a live koala in the main street and the people who allow media into their lives for hours every day would just assume it was for the best. Until they are told otherwise.

    The conditioning that’s going on involves a lot of gradualism and sugarstevia-coating. It takes a few years for a collectivist notion to pass from bizarre to respectable to mainstream to compulsory. What you laughed at five years ago is no longer laughable. In five years, it may be an offense to laugh.

    Remember when mainstream feminists thought marriage should be between a man and woman? Hillary and Julia agreed. How long did it take to get the present position? With the help of major movies, TV series and “brave” leadership decisions…not long at all.

    Think how handy all that cold water has been for personal and removable toilet seats.

    Huh? What did I say?

    I’m talking about cold water around Australia which has been the cause of the present drought, and the drought which has enabled the stupendous quantities of bushland fuel (protected by green initiatives) to finally combust. Obviously, we should all be clustered in smart cities as the only solution. Obviously.

    And the toilet seats?

    This: https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=14183

    We need to understand that the conditioning is all about us and it will not stop. All of the mainstream is conditioning. We will be sovietized. It’s for our own good.

    Fake capitalists like Musk and Gates are there to make our sovietization feel like free, private initiative. Such characters are fronts for the pervasive state. Their backgrounds are fictitious, their roles are statist.

    Look at that article on urban “rethinking” and realise how obvious and desperate the cathedral-burners are getting. They would be ridiculous, but their power and reach means they have to be taken seriously.

    Very seriously.

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    pat

    I can’t recall if we ever discussed this report, which was published last August, but thought this was amusing (on Community Radio around Australia, and repeated for their Summer series):

    3CR (COMMUNITY RADIO AROUND AUSTRALIA): LOST IN SCIENCE
    (sroll down)
    2 Jan 2020: last in Summer series repeats: Air Quality and IPCC climate report
    16m20sec in (after IPCC waffle) Claire Farrugia with Dr. Linden Ashcroft on August 2019 release of IPCC Special Report on Climate Change & Land. 28,000 separate comments they had to incorporate to make sure this document really is their best understanding of what’s happening to the land and how the land fits into their climate change picture. Linden admits she is not a land climate expert, but…AROUND 24m20s: in the Tropics, revegetate the land and grow cacao. (LET THEM EAT CHOCOLATE!) ends 26m10s.
    https://www.3cr.org.au/lostinscience

    Wikipedia: (IPCC) Special Report on Climate Change and Land
    The United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s (IPCC) Special Report on Climate Change and Land (SRCCL), also known as the “Special Report on climate change, desertification, land degradation, sustainable land management, food security, and greenhouse gas fluxes in terrestrial ecosystems”, is a landmark study by 107 experts from 52 countries…
    On Wednesday, August 7, 2019 in Geneva, Switzerland the IPCC’s 50th session (IPCC-50) adopted the SRCCL’s Summary for policymakers (SPM) and approved the underlying report…
    The report is over 1,300 pages long…
    Fifty three percent of the authors of the report are from developing countries and forty percent of the coordinating lead authors are women…

    The Economist stated that the report “fires another warning shot about the state of the planet and the way people are transforming virtually every corner of every continent. Human activities affect roughly three-quarters of Earth’s ice-free land, with huge consequences for the climate.” The BBC published a series of articles related to the publication of the report. Roger Harrabin, a BBC environment analyst, said that the report would “become the most authoritative report yet on the way we use and abuse the land.”…
    EXTERNAL LINKS: REPORT, SUMMARY FOR POLICYMAKERS, CHAPTERS, LIST OF AUTHORS, ETC.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Report_on_Climate_Change_and_Land

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      pat

      about the two academics on the “Lost in Science” interview:

      La Trobe University: ***Dr Claire Farrugia is a researcher at the Australian Research Centre in Sex, Health and Society (ARCSHS). She has expertise in qualitative social research methods, community engagement and knowledge translation and is currently working with the Rainbow Health Victoria team based at ARCSHS. She completed her PhD in Sociology in 2018 from Macquarie University, Sydney and her research spans the sociology of gender and sexuality, race and migration and work. She is particularly interested in the intersection between informal/formal relationships of support in health promotion and social service delivery for marginalised communities.
      Claire has worked as a guest lecturer, tutor and researcher at Macquarie University and was most recently employed as the Senior Policy Officer at Gender Equity Victoria (GEN VIC)…
      https://scholars.latrobe.edu.au/display/cmfarrugia

      Science & Technology Australia: ***Dr. Linden Ashcroft
      Linden is a lecturer in climate science and science communication at the School of Earth Science at the University of Melbourne.
      Her current research explores the role of global climate change in shifting weather patterns across Australia. She draws on historical weather records to improve our understanding of past, present and future climate, and uses citizen science to engage communities with their environment.
      Her career highlights so far include going behind the scenes at the British Science Museum, working with a farmer in Armidale to rescue his grandfather’s weather diaries, presenting videos for the Bureau of Meteorology, and being part of the winning team for the 2014 Eureka Prize for Interdisciplinary Research.

      After completing her PhD at the University of Melbourne in early 2014, Linden managed ClimateWatch, a national citizen science phenology program with Earthwatch Australia. International adventure then called, and she headed north to work as a Senior Researcher at the Centre for Climate Change at Universitat Rovira i Virgili in southern Catalonia.

      When she returned to Australia, Linden joined the Bureau of Meteorology as a climatologist. There she learnt about the importance of combining climate science and communication skills, making her very excited to take on a joint lecturing position at the University of Melbourne in 2019.
      Linden is also a qualified science communicator, and shares her passion for climate science as a regular on the weekly science show on Melbourne’s 3RRR radio.
      Not satisfied with just talking about science, Linden is also the current co-Editor in Chief of the Bulletin of the Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society, and the Editor in Chief of the Royal Meteorological Society’s Geoscience Data Journal.
      https://scienceandtechnologyaustralia.org.au/profile/dr-linden-ashcroft/

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    Lance

    Vegans are “deniers” of evolution and reality.

    Humans are Omnivores. Humans eat whatever is available, be it margarine, plant, animal or whatever.

    “Humans are classic examples of omnivores in all relevant anatomical traits. There is no basis in anatomy or physiology for the assumption that humans are pre-adapted to the vegetarian diet. For that reason, the best arguments in support of a meat-free diet remain ecological, ethical, and health concerns. ”

    IOTW, Natural Humans are Omnivores. Vegans/Herbivores only exist by personal choice, not by means of evolution.

    https://www.vrg.org/nutshell/omni.htm

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      Lance

      “Our human digestive system much more closely resembles that of a carnivore than any herbivore,” Gedgaudas said. “Our very physiological design clearly indicates that animal products are an integral part of human health.”

      https://www.medicaldaily.com/should-humans-omnivores-vegans-based-digestion-mechanism-436126

      So, let them eat Kale.

      I’m designed to eat meat, I love a good Steak, and I’ll be watching those Vegans who sacrifice their Health upon the Altar of Leftist Ideology.

      Wife, Children, beer, barby, and weapons, that’s what I need.
      No order to it, except anyone threaten any of them, in any order, better be battle ready. Nobody threatens my Castle.

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        theRealUniverse (in NZ)

        ‘“Our human digestive system much more closely resembles that of a carnivore than any herbivore,’ True, I dont have 5 stomachs! MOOOOO

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      hatband

      Humans are Pure Carnivores.

      Yeah, we can survive for a while on Carbohydrate, due to the Vermiform Appendix and the Pancreas

      but Carbs can only be converted to Fat, then the fat is burnt as energy.

      Carbs can’t be burnt as energy.

      It’s long been the dream of Capitalists to force a Carbohydrate Diet on Humanity, so it’s not

      surprising to see so many celebrity shills endorse it.

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        Greebo

        Humans are Pure Carnivores.

        Nonsense.

        Behaviourally we are omnivores, but physiologically we are herbivores. Unlike carnivores, we have a long intestinal tract ( 12 times body length as opposed to 3 time body length in carnivores ). Unlike carnivores, we have flat teeth. Unlike carnivores, we have fingers and not claws. Unlike carnivores, we need to consume vitamin C. ( Carnivores in general produce their own )

        Most of our closest relatives, the Great Apes, are herbivores. Chimps, like us, show behavioural traits of omnivores, but, also like us, are capable of surviving on a total herbivore diet. The huge Gorilla Beringei, and Gorilla Gorilla, are almost excluvisely herbivore, although they will eat ants and grubs.

        I have been studying this for a bit, because I am chronically a sufferer of diverticulitis. Approximately 75% of all people over 60 who have lived on the Western diet of having a large portion of their food consisting of red meat ( hands up me ) will have diverticula. They are NOT found in vegetarians, they are not found in people who live on the Mediterranean diet nor are they found in people of SE Asia, and they are uncommon in people of the sub continent region. I am aware that there are some generalisations in there, but it largely stands.

        Living as a “pure carnivore” is a recipe for a life of debilitating pain, something I can most certainly attest to. diverticulitis is inflammation, through infection, of the diverticula. I no longer eat meat (excluding some fish. NO shellfish, and no strong fish such as salmon ), not from any idiotic moral principle but simply because my body can no longer tolerate it. Given that I have had diverticula for quite some time it is likely that my body has not tolerated it for many years, and now I’m paying for not listening.

        Anyone reading this who believes that we are “pure carnivores” would be well advised to do some research BEFORE the condition appears, as it is too late afterwards, There is no cure. Only strict dietary constraints.

        The idea of never again eating a beautiful steak, of never firing up my wood fired clay oven to cook the best roast ever, no more superb slow cooked lamb shoulder and the list is endless, this should be distressing… but pain changes one in ways not foreseen.

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    pat

    Roger Scruton has died:

    April 2014: Forbes: The New Politics Of Climate Change: No Space For Deniers
    by Roger Scruton
    In a report published last week in London, Andrew Miller, the Labour Member of Parliament who chairs the House of Commons Science and Technology Committee, urged the BBC and other media to stop giving time and space to ‘climate change deniers’, and to accompany any appearance of them with a health warning denouncing their views. What the deniers are peddling, Miller argues, is not science but politics, and the public should be informed that their views are rejected by 97% of scientists. Just where the figure of 97% came from Miller does not say; but he is adamant that all government ministers should acquaint themselves with the science of climate change, and be prepared to speak with one voice, accepting collective responsibility for the official opinion, which will be his opinion and the opinion of his committee.

    The invocation of collective responsibility is revealing. For this implies that the orthodoxy Miller adheres to is, after all, not simply a matter of science, but a ‘party line’ that must be supported for the sake of policy. If it is the science that concerns us, then dissenting voices must surely be part of the data, and not dismissed out of hand on the authority of the ‘97%’. …READ ALL
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerscruton/2014/04/08/the-new-politics-of-climate-change-no-space-for-deniers/#2f64b0d77911

    13 Jan: Daily Mail: A towering intellect whose only crime was to be a conservative: As philosopher Sir Roger Scruton dies at 75, TOBY YOUNG pays tribute to the eminent intellectual
    He wrote more than 50 books on a vast range of subjects and was knighted in 2016 for ‘services to philosophy, teaching and public education’.
    Yet Roger Scruton, who died yesterday aged 75, always remained something of an outcast, vilified by the liberal establishment for daring to challenge the fashionable nostrums of our age. Because he was an unapologetic conservative and defender of Western civilisation he was never given the respect he deserved…READ ALL
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7879737/As-philosopher-Sir-Roger-Scruton-dies-75-TOBY-YOUNG-pays-tribute-eminent-intellectual.html

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    theRealUniverse (in NZ)

    On topic, meat will win regardless ;) .
    Off topic, NZ climate insanity strikes at primary education.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/118703882/climate-change-education-resource-to-be-in-schools-in-2020
    So NOT telling them the sky is falling would be a better idea?
    Nope, lies more lies prevail from this NZ goat (govt).

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    David Maddison

    If we weren’t meant to eat animals, why are they made of tasty meat?

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      hatband

      If we weren’t meant to eat animals, why are they made of tasty meat?

      Worth repeating.

      And if we were meant to eat Plants, why do their leaves, seeds, roots, and fruits contain so many poisons to discourage us from eating them?

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      Greebo

      I see that you are channeling Jeremy Clarkson. Read my post at 37.2.1. If I had balanced my diet with a larger intake of veg and a smaller intake of flesh then I would still be able to enjoy flesh. These days I can not even eat nuts unless they are ground up into some form of gruel. I most certainly cannot eat red meat. Damn it all.

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    J.H.

    Oh yeah…. The reality. It burnssss. Actually, as Quick Dick pointed out. It Burns oil and gas. ;)

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