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On Facebook Greta looks 16, but secretly identifies as two grown men

On Facebook no one knows you are a puppet — until a bug reveals who edits your posts. Such a bug happened on Thursday and by Friday people on 4chan had pointed out that Greta’s facebook posts were being done by her father and some guy in India called Adarsh Prathap.

thanks to Michael Smith News. h/t AndyG, Dennis

Greta’s handler, Adarsh Prathap

 GraniteGrok (or someone else?) revealed Adarsh is a UN climate official.

There is nothing either wrong or surprising about this. Only an idiot would believe (then or still) that she is writing her public remarks for delivery to social media or the UN. She’s a Muppet. A child trafficked in socialist environmental doomsaying. A prop. But who the heck is Adarsh Prathap?

According to LinkedIn, he is a Global Regional Coordinator at Youth Engaged in Wetlands. Principal Investigator of Revive Vellayani Project. And a big fan of the UN. Youth Engaged in Wetlands is “an international youth team committed to the conservation, protection, and wise-use of wetlands. YEW provides a global platform for young people to enable and empower them to help protect promote our wetlands.”

He’s a Green Energy player with UN connections. A stakeholder in the economic swindle that is the socialist Globalist environmental assault on the West.

Her father Svante Thunberg also posts material.

Greta’s Dad

But Greta’s Facebook account is not set up as a “fan page” it’s set up to look as if it is her account alone.

On Saturday Greta (or one of the two men) said they are her words “reposted”.

Greta’s handler, Adarsh Prathap

It reminds me of Obama’s twitter account which turned out to be almost entirely run by an activist group called Organizing for Action (OFA). Curiously OFA tweeted in the name of the man who was leader of the Democratic Party, but they are legally a non-partisan organization. Figure out how that works. Strangely, even once people knew the tweets were not his, they still quoted the twitter feed as if he said them.

I predict that no fans of Greta will unfriend her (or the two men).

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128 comments to On Facebook Greta looks 16, but secretly identifies as two grown men

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    David Maddison

    It confirms she is just a spokespuppet.

    Perhaps she can go back to school now and learn something now her identity is blown?

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      It confirms she is just a spokespuppet.

      Colour me surprised. That’s what happens when you don’t go to school.

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        That’s what happens if you do go to school…

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          I suppose you’re correct, many the youth of today come out of school indoctrinated and with the inability to read, write or think logically. In a way, that might be the solution to our problems, as the youth of today that have have had a proper education will likely be the one’s to rule. The others will likely still be enthralled by twitter, tik tok or whatever is the brain dead fad of the day, while they serve takeaway in some fast food outlet or waste away on the dole.

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          Roy Hogue

          If anything Greta needs to be left alone. It should outrage any parent that her father is, yes, the word is using her and allowing her to be used.

          That so much of the world is so lacking a sound moral compass as to let this go on and on and on without exposing it, without even questioning it, goes against every standard of conduct that I hold near and dear. If you’re going to be dishonest at least have the decency to use an adult who can fight back. And Greta can’t fight back. She couldn’t fight back even if she was an adult.

          How low can someone get?

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            You forget that the Left will use anything and any one to further their ends. Greta’s parents are avowed Leftists and Antifa members/supporters, so it should surprise no one that even their daughter is a disposable asset if it furthers their ends.

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              Roy Hogue

              That may all be true but it does not change what they are doing to this girl from despicable to acceptable.

              I’m only one voice and have very little weight behind what I say. I read the moderators comment about it and that makes 2 voices, still not enough but my conscience will bother me if I don’t speak what I believe.

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                I totally agree that it’s despicable, but that is the way of the Left. To those on the Left, this is not considered despicable.

                Have you not heard of the saying, ‘The Left eat their own’? Age has nothing to do with who they eat.

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                Roy Hogue

                And when they have eaten all of their own they will come for us. I would not give them the satisfaction of recognizing that eating their own is the way they do things.

                Frankly it looks too much like a wink and a look in the opposite direction while they do what they do. I don’t think that’s what you mean to be doing but consider how it looks. Appearance is everything.

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                …they will come for us…

                They won’t, as they are mostly weak cowards. Why do you think the likes of Antifa hide behind masks and crowds? They are gutless cowards and display their cowardice by using a young girl to further their ends.

                They remind me of that old incident when a group of green filth invaded the UK stock exchange and were beaten up and tossed out with the words ‘Sod of Swampy’. They never expect anyone to fight back.

                I would hardy suggest that calling them out for what they are as giving their antics a nod and a wink.

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                Roy Hogue

                I don’t think that’s what you mean to be doing but consider how it looks.

                I didn’t simply assume that you intended to look the other way.

                We seem to disagree but we can do that without becoming disagreeable.

                I do not think they will stay cowards, The will end up demanding conformity to their world view and woe to any who will not bow down in front of them. That has been The way every self-righteous ideology has gone.

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                I do not think they will stay cowards,

                They are cowards and will always be cowards, that’s the way of such people, as it has been throughout history. Very brave when in a group or clan, but held together by the thinnest of threads and abject cowards when the threads begin to unravel. That’s been proven throughout history.

                The best antidote to the disease these people try to spread is to mock them, mercilessly and often. Call then out for what they are and laugh at their madness.

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                AndyG55

                is to mock them, mercilessly and often

                And as we have seen, given a little push, they will make a MOCKERY of themselves with their display of basic all-round ignorance.

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                Roy Hogue

                Bemused,

                Even if they remain cowards, what happens when they have obtained enough power that they can roam the streets in masks to avoid being identified? Right now we have gangs roaming the streets attacking police officers for absolutely no reason. And some will attack citizens at random for no greater crime than being there.

                These are all cowards acting out only because they know their victims will not turn around and shoot them.

                And their ranks are growing so they may well become the dominant attitude in society.

                I would argue that a coward is more dangerous than a brave man. A brave man has confidence in himself and does not need to lash out at anyone, even if he’s afraid he has control over what he does. The coward never has self confidence, is driven by fear of the other guy and his thinking is pathological. And society has taught these nut jobs that someone is their enemy. How much more perfect can a storm get.

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              Mark D.

              Yes and they specifically selected a 16 year old to shield her/them from being criticized. Because that is the way reasonable people would react. Thereby white, old men are not only neutralized they are defending her.

              Some people claim that she/they are stupid.

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                AndyG55

                I was a high school maths/science teacher in a previous part of my life..

                If you think I am going to hold back criticising a 16 year old girl (or boy), when totally justified…

                … think again. ;-)

                In this case, because of the illness, I will hold back some, and direct that justified scorn where it belongs, at those treating an autistic girl as a puppet.

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                Roy Hogue

                Mark,

                That they have chosen Greta does make the whole situation stickier to be sure. I would not object to statements that say she’s wrong and can explain why. But I’m apparently on the same page as AZ about going farther than that.

                You and I go back a long way on this blog and I think you understand better than anyone how much I plain old hate such use of children, much less a child with a disability like Greta’s. That is the very definition of child abuse.

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        Fred Streeter

        Why the snide remarks about educating children at home?

        It can lead to kids who attain good degrees and careers.

        And parents don’t have to be ‘teachers’ to achieve this.

        Mark you, my 4 ‘kids’ are somewhat middle aged now.

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    John F. Hultquist

    Precedents include Janus, those that speak with forked tongue, and many more: Some here: alternate identities as of 2014

    Remind me who the Greta is?

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    STJOHNOFGRAFTON

    Aka UN/EU Deep State muppet handlers exposed.

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    pat

    wow…but no surprise, of course. much more to investigate.
    Greta gets called out in the comment I post for this piece:

    5 Jan: UK Telegraph: Why Britain is heading for a fallout over its nuclear conundrum
    The Government may face a meltdown in relations with Beijing or the US depending on the energy choices it makes as it powers to a low carbon future
    By Rachel Millard
    Two years on from that self-imposed deadline, the £21bn nuclear power station is still being built over a sprawling site in the Somerset countryside – while the very future of nuclear power in the UK is up for debate as other sources of energy snap at its heels and investment in the sector gets harder to find.
    A decision on a make-or-break new financing model for the industry is high on Boris Johnson’s new government’s priority list, with ministers under pressure from industry to make decisions quickly – or risk losing the chance to build new plants at a time when the UK needs all the low carbon energy sources it can get.

    Yet the decision about the financing models will be taken against a backdrop of wariness about the source of potential investments: state-backed China General Nuclear (CGN) is one of few investors willing to pour money into the risky nuclear sector – but the communist superpower’s involvement has brought political and security concerns as well as opposition from the US…

    The Americans can say what they like about China’s involvement but there will come a point when the UK government has an overriding need to get to net zero carbon emissions and then it’s a question of: ‘Well, how are you going to get there?’…
    Nuclear is a popular choice among many officials who argue it can provide reliable, low-carbon power as a backup for renewables. Including Sizewell and Hinkley, eight sites have been earmarked for new stations…

    FROM 77 COMMENTS: Stephen Haxby
    The impact of UK cuts in emissions on global warming is known to be too small to measure.
    When this is acknowledged, as it is from time to time, it is said that the UK is leading the world through moral example.
    However what we are mainly doing is forcing ourselves to beg China, doing terrible damage to our relationship with the US, to help us keep the lights on, at huge cost to the consumer.
    The fatuous Grunberg is welcomed by politicians even as she mocks them, because she provides cover for years of inane, indeed insane, energy policy. This will not last very long.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/01/05/britain-heading-fallout-nuclear-conundrum/

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    Dennis

    Brainwashed people will argue black is white regardless of what evidence is produced to prove beyond doubt that they are wrong.

    Many years ago a teenager was taken on a weekend away with a friend’s family and church group and it took a couple of weeks before the teenager was back to normal, no longer using under the spell. I was a witness to this.

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      yarpos

      agree, really unsurprising and just confirming reality. Did anyone really think the diatribes are the original thoughts of a teenager?

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      PeterW

      And we see yet again that truthfulness doesn’t matter to you.

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      AndyG55

      Its all right GA, I’m sure you will still love her, even though she is actually two men.

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      el gordo

      Leaf, the modern Joan of Arc has been gutted by the twittersphere, not burnt alive at the stake.

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        Tel

        I disagree, most of the “hate” from the start was directed at her parents and handlers for using her in this way. People had a bit of a laugh at Greta herself and did a few parodies … that’s all good spirited.

        However, the accusations of child abuse have regarded Greta as the victim not the perp. Everyone knew from the start this has not been Greta coming up with this stuff … but now it’s confirmed when they got caught out.

        I’m sure all of the family are using this as a decent earner, we don’t know what speaking fees and other money is being collected but it would be sufficient to keep them interested. Some day the details for that will probably come out as well.

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    pat

    start with Adarsh’s twitter page. he likes to re-tweet Greta…and Stefan Rahmstorf, who I’ve long believed is one of her puppet-masters:

    Twitter: Adarsh Prathap
    (AT TOP)
    Adarsh Prathap Retweeted 11 Jan 2020:

    Greta Thunberg‏ Verified account @GretaThunberg · Jan 11
    It seems that @SiemensDE have the power to stop, delay or at least interrupt the building of the huge Adani coal mine in Australia. On Monday they will announce their decision. Please help pushing them to make the only right decision. #StopAdani…

    Adarsh Prathap Retweeted:

    Stefan Rahmstorf‏ @rahmstorf · 25 Dec 2019
    My view on Australia burning: that human-caused global warming will lead to heat and wildfire crises in Australia has been abundantly clear for a long time. This IPCC statement is just one example. “Virtually certain” means more than 99% likely in IPCC language.
    https://twitter.com/adarshkerala?lang=en

    CHECK OUT THE REST.

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      truth

      Was Rahmstorf’s ‘virtually certain’ in the Summary For Policymakers or in the body of the Report…two very different things…SFP’s for forcing governments to comply with the Global Socialism dictat….the body of the Report… much more measured and equivocal.
      All this deceit and manipulation is no joke IMO even though you can’t help laughing…it’s about as sinister as you can get.

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    Bill In Oz

    Greta is just a scared ignorant female teenager.
    And grossly manipulated by others around her.
    But I have a suggestion for Greta
    Which is a ‘worthy’ project to save the planet !
    Cap all the undersea volcanoes !

    As suggested by geologist Winston Smith today on Ice Age Now !

    “I’m a geologist and geophysicist who studied volcanoes and glaciation in school and even if I’m not a leading geologist employed by the IPCC, in my opinion I can say quantitatively that the total mass flow of all the underwater volcanoes is likely more than 666 m3/s, and the average initial temperature of the lava varies between 666 deg C and 1266 deg C.

    So by using the equation below, the total heat released by underwater volcanoes is likely greater than 666 Joules. This number could safely be used in any IPCC climate models as required.

    Now if CO2 is also released, that needs to be factored into the effects of climate change as this raises ocean water CO2 concentrations, some of which is later released into the atmosphere that contains 1:2500th parts CO2 gas, a greenhouse gas that – “consensus” says – contributes the most to global warming and should be eliminated completely including the capping of all volcanoes as soon as they are discovered.

    All meat, especially beef consumption, and the burning of hydrocarbons should also be eliminated to stop global warming.

    I’d like to read the opinions of other leading geologists on this matter.

    Sincerely,
    Winston Smith, [Mr] Alberta, Canada”

    Now where is my copy of Don Quihotte ?
    There’s a bit about windmills I need to read again !

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      Peter Fitzroy

      Funny – until I got to the 666 (not the number of the beast by any chance) Joules (the equivalent of a 10 watt lamp being lit for 6.6 seconds) I thought this was a serious post

      But then I remembered that this is a take down of someone who speaks 2 languages, understands science and has addressed the UN (not a skill set found on this blog)

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        AndyG55

        Too much maths for you, hey.

        Greta does not understand “science” any more than you do.

        ie, she is basically scientifically illiterate.

        Enough to FOOL you though ;-)

        Addressed the UN as a PAWN/child-mouthpiece-puppet for the AGW scammers.. so what !!

        [Greta does not deserve anyone's scorn or criticism. She has Asperger's Syndrome and is not the mover behind what she is doing. She is being used in a despicable way and it's not useful to continue the way some of you are treating her. Reserve your scorn for those behind what she's doing and not for her. As a moderator I'm not supposed to get involved this way but this girl needs the right kind of champion and I'll take any heat from Jo or anyone for doing this.] AZ

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          Peter Fitzroy

          so you were fooled as well, but did not twig?

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          Peter Fitzroy

          And how would you know – oh great failed predictor of ENSO’S

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            AndyG55

            How’s you ABJECT FAILURE of producing any empirical science to support warming by atmospheric CO2

            In fact, your ABJECT FAILURE to produce any science about anything.

            My predictions of ENSO are at least as good as those of your beloved “climate scientists”.

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          AndyG55

          Sorry AZ, I meant no scorn on Greta, just on the fact that ** thinks she “knows” science.

          She is an unfortunate child, with evil, immoral, unethical “using” parents and handlers.

          It is very sad those handlers let her make such a mockery of herself with that UN speech.

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          Henning Nielsen

          AZ; you are right. Greta deserves our deepest sympathy. She is now 17 (though does not look it), next year she is an adult. But ten years from now, the world has forgotten her, she, however, will most likely still be locked in her anger and fear. This mental prison may stay with her the rest of her life. Nobody near her has seen fit to try and relieve her pain, or supply her with information that might lessen her trauma. She would not be useful that way. She is a mouthpiece, a parrot, a propaganda poster. She is a pathetically amateurish posturer, even her anger tantrums are showbiz, you can see on her videos how she tries to remember her text before launching the tirades. With good therapy, she could hopefully have been guided towards a view of the world that is not so Armageddonish. Now I fear that HER world will go under, while the real world moves on, unconcerned. Somebody should start a “Save Greta” campaign. She needs it far more than the polar bears-

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        AndyG55

        Do you really think

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        Peter Fitzroy

        I’d be re reading 1984 rather than Don Quihotte [sic]

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          AndyG55

          You certainly would learn more science than you currently know, either way.

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          Fred Streeter

          Quihotte [French]

          Bill’s been reading Salman Rushdie?

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          MudCrab

          I doubt it, Peter.

          Let’s be honest with each other, you are not actually a regular reader and have a book purchasing habit of less than $2000 a year. Don’t feel too bad about that, most people don’t read that much. It’s an observation, not a slur.

          Still, if you are willing to prove me wrong I can suggest The Lion and the Unicorn. This was written in late 1940 and is an essay on what George actually believed (or at least believed in 1940). Understanding this mindset – even if you don’t believe in all of it – will probably help with understanding 1984 and why Orwell wrote it.

          Remember kids, simply throwing ’1984′ into a sentence without actually understanding it leaves you at risk of extended conversations with people who do.

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            Wayne Job

            I am an old engineer 75 when I studied engineering 1984 was compulsory study, It gave me an insight . We are almost their the book had a camera in every tree with big brother watching, it seems that almost nothing that happens is not filmed in some way.Big brother is almost here, glad I am old.

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        Bill In Oz

        Fitz, just tell us, you are volunteering
        To go cap those undersea volcanoes !
        Keep us informed of your efforts
        We need a good laugh mate
        After all your constant ‘truth speak’ & goble de gook !

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          Peter Fitzroy

          IT is good to know that ICe Age Now! is an entertainment site, I had thought so, but so many of you quote it, I did think it might be genuine. At least that is settled.

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            Bill In Oz

            Get back to capping those volcanoes Fritz !
            There is a global emergency
            Because of the CO2 they are pumping out
            Ask Grettles for help on Facebook !
            I’m sure she wants to help you !
            :-)

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            AndyG55

            Keep reading it, the worst that can happen is you gain a sense of humour.

            I’d say you might actually LEARN something, but you have proven you are incapable of that.

            The AGW meme is always making a mockery of, and Ice Age Now does it well. ;-)

            Almost as well as you do.

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            AndyG55

            typo correction

            The AGW meme is always worth making a mockery of,…

            As your comments show.

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              robert rosicka

              Sorry Andy and Fitz for phat thumb , Fitz is the science bit that Greta knows the part where she can see CO2 ? .
              Knows two languages pish posh , since I was three years old I’ve been illiterate in six languages.

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                AndyG55

                I guess there wouldn’t be that many even 10 year old European children that didn’t speak at least two languages.

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                Eugene S Conlin

                pish posh , since I was three years old I’ve been illiterate in six languages.

                … and all before breakfast Robert

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    George4

    Come on now, we are not allowed to discriminate against Greta if she identifies as intersex gender.

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      RoHa

      Perhaps Greta and I could swap. I am just one 73 year old man, but I identify as a 16 year old girl. My local high school seems to be staffed entirely by reactionaries who discriminate against me.

      And I can speak Swedish, so that wouldn’t be a problem.

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    pat

    nothing is ever quite what it seems, when it comes to the CAGW mob:

    VIDEO 3m: 22 Dec 2017: THETHIRDPOLE.NET: Indian student wins global youth video competition on climate change
    Adarsh Prathap wins award at COP23 climate talks in Bonn for film highlighting the importance of mangroves
    by Joydeep Gupta
    ***Adarsh Prathap, a 23-year-old Masters student at the college of agriculture in Vellayani, Kerala, had heard about this fortuitous outcome when growing up and decided that “we need to show mangroves to the world”.
    In his short film ‘Let mangroves recover’, which won one of two prizes in the 2017 global youth video competition on climate change, Prathap underlines the importance of mangroves and shows how their conservation can save thousands of lives…

    The competition was launched by the UN Climate Change secretariat’s “Action for Climate Empowerment” initiative, in partnership with Television for the Environment (tve) and the Global Environment Facility’s Small Grants Programme, which is implemented by the United Nations Development Programme.
    Patricia Espinosa, executive secretary of the UNFCCC, said BLAH BLAH…

    He has already made a good start, having won the Ramsar youth photo contest in 2016 for his photographs of the wetlands near his college in Vellayani. Before that, he won the best on-spot film award at the National Science Film Festival in Kolkata…
    Ultimately, I want to start a TV channel for climate change videos.”

    BELOW: ThirdPole Partners:
    chinadialogue.
    Earth Journalism Network
    Internews Network and Internews Europe developed the Earth Journalism Network to empower and enable journalists from developing countries to cover the environment more effectively
    https://www.thethirdpole.net/en/2017/12/22/indian-student-wins-global-youth-video-competition-on-climate-change/

    Wikipedia: China Dialogue is an independent, non-profit organisation based in London and Beijing. It was launched on July 3, 2006. Chinadialogue is funded by a range of institutional supporters, including several major charitable foundations.
    It focuses on the environment, especially in China, although it has an interest in environment and sustainability issues around the world…
    It features articles by Chinese and non-Chinese authors from a variety of perspectives. These include an interview with former US vice-president Al Gore…
    Other contributors include Pan Yue who was named New Statesman Person of the Year 2007 and a rising figure in Chinese government circles who is championing a green China, and Ma Jun a leading Chinese environmentalist named by Time magazine as one of its 100 most important people in 2006…

    BBC Radio 4′s Sheena McDonald said on the Talking Politics programme on December 23, 2006, that the site was the only fully bilingual website in English and Chinese focusing on the environment in the world. She interviewed editor ***Isabel Hilton, who at the time was also editor of openDemocracy, who said that the aim of the site was to foster a dialogue which might otherwise be defeated by language barriers…
    Board members:
    The members of the chinadialogue Editorial Advisory Board are: Professor Mark Elvin, Caspar Henderson, Ma Jun, Professor Pan Jiahua, Lord Patten of Barnes, Professor Orville Schell, Sir Crispin Tickell, Professor Wang Canfa and Professor Wang Ming.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinadialogue.net

    ***Wikipedia: Isabel Hilton: Having been the Latin American affairs editor at the Sunday Times, she chose not to move to Wapping with her paper and joined The Independent in 1986 and filled the same role there. Hilton joined The Guardian in 1997, where she has contributed a regular column.
    Isabel Hilton presented The World Tonight 1995–98 on BBC Radio 4 and from 1999 has presented Nightwaves on BBC Radio 3…
    Hilton was appointed Officer of the Order of the British Empire (OBE) in the 2009 Birthday Honours…
    On BBC Radio 4′s “Britain and China” programme, discussing the operation of Chinese nuclear power plant being supplied to the UK, Hilton defended China’s position on maintenance, suggesting, “perhaps from Beijing they can shut down and calibrate a nuclear power plant, without actually having to be here.”…
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isabel_Hilton

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    OriginalSteve

    Common sense prevails….staring down the sooky snowflakes….

    Seriously…no one cares about noisy climate protesters.

    https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/siemens-stares-down-thunberg-supporters-votes-to-stick-with-adani-project-20200113-p53qxy.html

    “London: German engineering giant Siemens will stick with its involvement in the controversial Adani mine project in Queensland despite a backlash from climate activists in Europe and Australia.

    “Emerging from a board meeting convened to decide whether to abandon a $29 million contract to provide signalling equipment for the coal mine’s railway, chief executive officer Joe Kaeser said the company had a “legally binding and enforceable fiduciary responsibility” to carry out the project.

    “”While I do have a lot of empathy for environmental matters, I do need to balance different interests of different stakeholders, as long as they have lawful legitimation for what they do.”

    “The company was the focus of demonstrations in several German cities on Friday organised by the German branch of the Fridays for Future environmental youth movement. Nearly 60,000 people signed a petition calling for the firm to walk away from Adani and climate activist Greta Thunberg had also called for Kaeser to “make the right decision”.

    “But Kaeser said other competitors would happily supply the equipment, meaning a decision by Siemens to pull out would not have stopped the mine project from going ahead.
    He added that Siemens had secured the right to pull out of the contract should Adani violate its “very stringent environmental obligations”.

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      AndyG55

      Wish I could sens a congratulatory email to them !! :-)

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      Siemens make large scale electrical power generating equipment for ALL power generation, mainly large scale turbines and generators for the big users of that ‘stuff’, coal fired, nuclear, hydro, and natural gas.

      Last year alone, Siemens had a turnover of 87 Billion Euros. ($AUD140 Billion)

      88% of their products are those in that electrical engineering sector.

      If some protesters think they can ‘make it hard’ for Siemens, good luck with that.

      They (Siemens) can say whatever they want these people to hear, but Companies from all over the World will still be lining up in droves for their products, and for a very very long time to come.

      Tony.

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      Good news.

      But a question here. Secondary boycotts related to union action are supposedly banned (but not always enforced)

      This action and the disgusting caving in by insurance companies over coal is in effect a secondary boycott or similar. But nobody is questioning the motives here. A small group of noisy nasties forcing multi nationals to heel. …At least Siemens has some spine here.

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      toorightmate

      Good on Siemens for showing some fortitude which is sadly lacking in a large number of corporations.

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    Depolrable Lord Kek

    Greta Thunberg without a script

    https://youtu.be/0bwLt_5t73g

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    Earl

    I have a proposal, that all followers of St Greta of the wrinkled, and wretched face, all commit to buying electricity from “renewable” sources only.They will agree, that when the sun doesn’t shine, and the wind doesn’t blow, (Melbourne last week), and the only power is from coal, power will be cut off to their homes. This should save heaps of CO2, and contribute to grid stability….Lots of good virtue signaling there, and it will give them an idea of the brave new/renewable world,

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      I have a proposal, that all followers of St Greta of the wrinkled, and wretched face, all commit to buying electricity from “renewable” sources only.They will agree, that when the sun doesn’t shine, and the wind doesn’t blow, (Melbourne last week), and the only power is from coal, power will be cut off to their homes.

      And therein lies the failure to understand power delivery in all this.

      While ever people ‘believe’ that if they are paying the extra to have only renewables deliver power to their home, their area, their State (ACT) then they will think they are doing the right thing.

      If you are connected to the grid, (and that’s probably ’97%’ of all homes, to use a popular number) then 70% of the power that you consume IS coal fired power. You cannot have just the wind and solar component wired for delivery to your home. Keep in mind here that hydro has always been a renewable, so the other two, commercial solar plant power and wind power only make up 10.8% of that grid power, and if you don’t have panels on your own roof, then you are getting no rooftop solar power.

      Incidentally, that 70% is an Australia wide average, because the State breakdown is as follows: (just for those three States with coal fired power)

      NSW – 77.3% (so this also includes the ACT, which is supplied from the NSW grid)
      Victoria – 71%
      Queensland – 85%

      You can virtue signal the fact that you are paying extra for renewables only at your home, but if you do that be very careful, because included in that extra cost is the dividend you also pay for shares in that Bridge in Sydney.

      That’s the big con in rooftop solar panels, and again, 97% of them are also grid connected. You will always have power connected to your home (you know ….. ‘just in case’) so people have absolutely no idea if and when those panels are actually supplying their homes.

      If you are connected to the grid, then you are getting coal fired power, a lot of it in fact.

      Tony.

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        John

        That’s what the Canberrans don’t understand. They refuse to hear that they are using coal power in their homes. They insist it’s “100% renewable power”, and if they can go “100% renewable”, then the rest of Australia can too!

        Sanctimonious twerps – piggy backing off a coal grid to get past the intermittency problem of renewables, whilst hectoring those who are carrying them to do the same….

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        Geoff Sherrington

        Yes, Tony,
        I have written several letters to my electricity supplier AGL, asking them to split their cost calculations into 2 parts, being “Coal Only” which I explain is short and for direct fossil fuel feed; the “other” being “Unreliables”.
        I tell them I want to be billed for Coal Only which is the lower one, as can be inferred from the economics before we had Unreliables.
        So far I have been successful, because they have declined to address my request. I take this to mean that they are embarrassed by their earlier silly policy statements, like that AGL will be getting out of coal generation.
        I often wish to hear from AGLs engineers, but I seem to get put through to their advertising team. Geoff S

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    toorightmate

    I have always thought that Greta looks like a 16 years old twisted sandshoe, but the sandshoe is more intelligent.

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    Bob-l

    And the fraud and deception of children continues… This is a crime, children are being manipulated and I’m not impressed.

    Yet another call to our government , you can’t let the deception of our children with activist propaganda go on, and I mean for many of the cults being allowed to infest our children’s minds whether it’s the climate, rainbow or vegan cults. You’ve dropped the ball, and because of that we now desperately need safe designated spaces for children free of indoctrination.

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    Just because someone is from a theatrical family and briefly sits in the street to be discovered by a PR magnate who is a family friend and can obtain a rebadged Red Sign yacht out of Monaco and fly an entourage across the world and get meetings and interviews with absolutely anybody…

    I dunno. Whenever a kid addresses the UN and gets her moosh painted on buildings everyone thinks it’s all arranged just because she doesn’t know or do anything while daddy is trying to be mummy because mummy is trying to be a cross between a pole dancer and Maria Callas. Doesn’t everybody’s daddy do that while everybody’s mummy does that? And what red-blooded child doesn’t have an eating disorder and a handy spot on the spectrum these days?

    Nothing arranged or weird or diseased about any of this. It’s your new world, you lucky people. Eat it all up. There’ll be more…but only if you stay tuned. You are staying tuned round the clock, aren’t you?

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      There’ll be more…but only if you stay tuned. You are staying tuned round the clock, aren’t you?

      Yeah, via facebook, refreshing every five seconds.

      Tony

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      Peter Fitzroy

      Maybe you could send her one of your famous blank cheques?

      mosomoso
      January 12, 2020 at 10:18 am
      As for donations, long before the fire on my boundary I offered our local fireys a blank cheque for the work they have done elsewhere over this last season.)

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        AndyG55

        So STILL too hypocritical and LAZY to set up your own donation site.

        Not surprised at all.

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          Peter Fitzroy

          If I did, I can guarantee that none of the self serving tightwads on this site would donate

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            AndyG55

            Ohh. you poor hard-done by hypocritical worm.

            YOU are the one telling Jo to set up a donation button

            Yet you are too lazy or cowardly to do it yourself.

            Serve yourself, no-one else is interested in your self-righteous posing !

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            AndyG55

            Just think, with your own donations site, you could get all your many (on one hand) followers to donate heaps of their hard earned dole !!

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            Fred Streeter

            How would you know?

            The Christians among us would follow Christ’s teaching:
            But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth
            Matthew 6:3

            And this Atheist concurs.

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            Kalm Keith

            How quickly you forget.

            “Anything you contribute, up to $500, I will double.”

            Your response: was to call me anonymous, and therefore an invalid challenge.

            Typical, to use services funded by others but see no obligation to contribute.

            KK

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            This is the thing. Studies show conservatives do more for the environment, give more to charity, are more law abiding, and altruistic.

            Obviously those who want a free ride, easy government “assistance” vote left and often. They then spin the mene that “corporations” benefit from the free market and feed the entirely false idea that “big money” wants right wing governments. Naive and willing followers believe it. Instead the free market makes it hard for corporations, shaves their markets, cuts their free run. Big Government makes it easier for Big Corporations to get bigger, to maintain monopolies, to cut out competitors with complicated laws designed to help the biggest fish.

            Of course there are also people in genuine need, people who didn’t get lucky in the gene pool, and naive but well meaning people (like I was for years) that vote left for legitimate and mostly simplistic reasons, and because their education was so poor. (Eg nearly every kid in Australia today).

            But I am surprised Peter at how deep your hatred runs? That you have such a conviction that anyone who doubts the doctrine of man-made weather should be inherently self serving and evil. There’s a reason it’s fashionable to believe in man-made weather, and almost all of that is “power and money” with a ploy to target the good but naive and sweep them along using fear and guilt to help the selfish get rich. See Goldman Sachs, Deutsche Bank, Citibank, UN, …

            The outstanding gems of humankind, the brave and the strong are the ones willing to fight the intolerant profoundly uncivil and unscientific fashions. That’s what I love most about this debate. I have met the most extraordinary people. Once everyone knows how corrupt and obviously wrong this idea is, it won’t be a good sieve for upstanding, intelligent freemen.

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              Postcript

              I have no Twitter or Facebook account. I do not comment on newspaper websites or the ABC etc due to the hounding I receive from leftists, despite the fact that I’m actually deeply centre-left anyway, with no problem getting my political voice heard back in the days of print when the debate had to be more civil.

              I even find commenting on WattsUpWithThat a tad difficult because of right-wing attitudes that go rather too far, but here I ran into an urban-fringe greenie thinking that seems to believe volunteering in a wildlife centre is worthy, while espousing the policies that make fires worse for wildlife in the first place. All this for just a few comments in total, less than some make in an hour.

              Thus, I would like to say how important this site is for the left of politics. If it ever is to reform itself to the point where it is capable of decent government, it is the idea that free speech matters that is surely most important.

              It was the late John Cain Jnr who championed Freedom of Information. How times have changed. The hard left would cheer if this site was shut down, as surely as some would cheer the fire at the Eden chip mill.

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                Mark D.

                Postscript, I liked this comment of yours. Too bad I saw it late and now this thread is fading away. I have some thoughts from a conservative position that I’d like to share with you maybe in a future “Unthreaded”. Suffice to say that I agree with you fully that Free Speech is critical. It seems to me that these days the most grave attacks on FS are from the Left. I have quite a few long time friends that are of the Left and we are still able to converse. On the other hand some have become so rabid that there cannot be a civil conversation about politics or anything near AGW.

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              Bushkid

              Indeed, Jo.

              The level of animosity and outright hatred so often expressed by those (generally) on the left (think antifa, the various socialist mobs etc), and in particular the pro-CAGW mob is quite remarkable. When manipulated, indoctrinated, deluded group-think can so easily and consistently outweigh facts, the laws of physics and reality, it’s getting dangerous.

              When the preachers of tolerance and inclusion are so against tolerating or including anyone who is not in full and raging agreement with them, you just know they have noting of substance. The problem is that they have the backing of the main stream media and the political left, and are now seriously scaring the supposedly sensible centre of the coalition government.

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        Yonniestone

        Maybe you could send her one of your famous blank stares……..no scrap that…..or your slow blinking……or fly catching mouth breathing…..

        She’s dumb, but with your help she could be the dumbest.

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        I have a solution. Work out a donation for your local brigade. Once I have that confirmed by your local captain I will donate DOUBLE your sum to my own local brigade. Plus whatever else they might want from me. Right now our captain is too busy to process more donations but the time should be right soon. It may be possible to show receipts electronically. Please make it a substantial donation so this is not just a run-around. I’ll ignore anything under a hundred dollars. My upper limit will be five hundred from you against a thousand from me. (No, I’m neither rich nor lavish, just thrifty.)

        You are probably still angry with yourself over what you had to say about the State Forest fire. Nobody likes that much egg on face, especially when it’s published for all to read. Raising the matter of donations in garbled fashion and without relevance shows me you are still stinging. Poking out the tongue and going nyah-nyah won’t help. You’ll just feel worse.

        Here is a chance to get back some cred. Who knows? Some good may come of it, for both our local brigades. If you do this and it’s confirmed, I will certainly acknowledge it.

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          Peter Fitzroy

          I can’t match a blank check. Why would I believe anything you post?

          The fact is that apart from me, no one thinks that a site with an international following, thinks that setting up a donation option is a good idea.

          There is a word, but it will send me to moderation

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            No, no. You don’t have to match a blank cheque. Where did I say that? Whatever else I give is irrelevant to the arrangement between you and me. I’ve given you an upper limit of 500 dollars.

            As for believing me, even if I welch your brigade will have a handy donation.

            Here’s another solution. You can take the high bid and I can go first. I get a receipt from the brigade and only then do you donate and show your own receipt. Of course, you will be up for a thousand since I will give the full 500. I think it’s a great idea.

            I couldn’t make any sense of this sentence: The fact is that apart from me, no one thinks that a site with an international following, thinks that setting up a donation option is a good idea.

            Maybe you were still angry and stinging when you wrote that. The way to feel better will be to take up this challenge. I’ll miss the money, we both will, but you’ll feel better about PF and I’ll feel better about PF. Come on. Let’s do this.

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            I’ve come up with a different solution but it’s in moderation for some reason. It eliminates the trust problem for Peter and stands to do some good for our fireys. Stay tuned.

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            AndyG55

            LAZY hypocrite !!

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            AndyG55

            Do you also need someone to tie your shoe laces ?

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            Fred Streeter

            Were one wishing to donate, a search for “Australian Wildfires donations” will find several appropriate charities.

            One’s donation is sent directly to those who can put it to good use immediately.

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            Kalm Keith

            I’ve heard that first line before, haven’t I Peter.

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          Kalm Keith

          I have already challenged him on that.

          He wimped out.

          I stood to contribute a lot, he let me off the hook but I felt honour bound to donate the maximum he was up for.

          Just to show I meant what I said.

          You should see his response.

          KK

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        robert rosicka

        ” As for donations, long before the fire on my boundary I offered our local fireys a blank cheque for the work they have done elsewhere over this last season.)” , yeah right sure you did .

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          AndyG55

          bouncy, bouncy ! ;-)

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          Would you believe, he’s quoting me from a previous conversation, one which has obviously left him stinging. I actually did make the offer but the brigade are too flat out to process donations or do anything apart from attending to fires right now. They won’t hit me up for a sheep station, they’re not like that, so I told them to ask for what they wanted.

          The great part is that many have got in before me. The generosity of businesses and individuals has been enormous. It helps that our local brigade are total legends.

          It’s not just the brigade. Someone decided to buy water for someone who lost all theirs. The trucker then offered to give the water if the donor just paid for fuel to get it there. It’s going on all the time with local people around here.

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    Graeme No.3

    I think that Thunberg Finance is missing a great chance. Get in touch with a TV Station and suggest a series
    “MY GRETA RULES” where contestants try to produce the best imitation.
    Or possibly “I’M GRETA, GET ME OUT OF HERE”where the contestants are surrounded by savage sceptics and have to survive until the end of the episode.

    I cannot undertake to view either, but then I spend very little time watching TV.
    WAIT – how about THE ANTIQUE IDEAS ROADSHOW? Good, like most AGW claims, for endless repeats.

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    plenty of youth:

    World Bank Group Pavilion at COP23, Bonn, Germany
    November 6-17, 2017
    For the first time, the World Bank Group will be present at COP with a dedicated pavilion that will serve as a convening and networking hub to promote, discuss and share climate solutions with global leaders, media and online influencers…
    Friday, 10 November – Energy, Water, Agriculture
    Celebrating COP23 Youth Climate Video Competition
    ***Adarsh Prathap (India)
    https://www.worldbank.org/en/events/2017/11/02/world-bank-group-pavilion-at-cop23

    12 Jan: ZeroHedge: Facebook Glitch Reveals Greta Thunburg’s Father Posting As Teenage Climate Activist
    by Tyler Durden
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/youve-scripted-my-childhood-facebook-glitch-reveals-greta-thunburgs-father-posting#comment_stream

    follow-up to comment #10 – China Dialogue and BBC’s Isabel Hilton:

    CleanEnergyWire: Journalism for the energy transition: SPEAKERS at the Global Energy Transition Journalism Conference 2019 #GETJO19 7-8 Apr 2019, Berlin
    ***Richard Black, British journalist and Director of the Energy and Climate Intelligence Unit (ECIU), a non-profit think-tank based in London. For more than two decades he was Environment Correspondent for the BBC World Service.

    Vaishnavi Chandrashekhar, Editorial Consultant with The Times of India; Her work has appeared in The Guardian, Yale e360, BBC Future, Daily Beast, NYTimes online, among others…Vaishnavi Chandrashekhar is a journalist from India currently based in Mumbai. She is an Editorial Consultant with The Times of India Mumbai and also freelances for international publications. Her work has appeared in The Guardian, Yale e360, BBC Future, Daily Beast, NYTimes online, among others.

    ***Ottmar Edenhofer, Director of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research (PIK), Professor for the Economics of Climate Change at the Technical University Berlin, as well as founding director of the Mercator Research Institute on Global Commons and Climate Change (MCC). He is also a member of the German National Academy of Sciences Leopoldina and of the National Academy of Science and Engineering acatech…

    ***Isabel Hilton, founder and editor-in-chief of the independent, non-profit news website chinadialogue.net. The bilingual online publication on the environment and climate change aims to promote a wider understanding of China’s urgent challenges in this respect. Initiated and run by the ***China Dialogue Trust, Hilton furthermore oversees the online publications and media services http://www.thethirdpole.net, http://www.indiaclimatedialogue.net, http://www.dialogochino.net, as well as http://www.chinadialogueocean.net…worked for a number of renowned news outlets, including the Sunday Times, the Independent, the Guardian, the New Yorker and the BBC. She is also currently a Visiting Professor at the Lau Institute, Kings College London…

    ETC ETC
    https://www.cleanenergywire.org/speakers-global-energy-transition-journalism-conference-2019-getjo2019

    CleanEnergyWire: Journalism for the energy transition: PROGRAMME of Global Energy Transition Journalism Conference 2019 #GETJO19 7-8 Apr 2019, Berlin
    7 Apr 2019: Award dinner
    Three finalist cross-border journalist teams pitch their story ideas to compete for the top award of 5,000 euros endowed by Stiftung Mercator. The audience will cast a vote and nominate their favourite story…
    •Announcement of Clean Energy Wire cross-border grant recipients: ***Isabel Hilton, China Dialogue…
    9 Apr 2019: Berlin Energy Transition Dialogue at the Foreign Office.
    https://www.cleanenergywire.org/events/programme-global-energy-transition-journalism-conference-2019-getjo2019

    Rockefeller Brothers Fund: Grantees: ***China Diaglogue Trust
    $400,000 for 2 years
    Awarded: November 15, 2018

    $190,000 for 2 years
    Awarded: September 15, 2016

    $190,000 for 2 years
    Awarded: September 11, 2014
    https://www.rbf.org/grantees/china-dialogue-trust

    William & Flora Hewlett Foundation: ***China Dialogue Trust
    For Strategic Communications In China
    $400,000 Date Awarded 11/4/2018
    China Dialogue seeks to inform Western audiences about the progress China has made in moving away from fossil fuels and the development of clean technologies that are aligned with promoting robust economic growth in China…
    China Dialogue will work in partnership with the European Climate Foundation’s Global Strategic Climate Communications hub to further these objectives…

    Aug 29, 2019 $700,000
    for strategic communications in China
    https://hewlett.org/grants/china-dialogue-trust-for-strategic-communications-in-china/

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    DonS

    Hi Jo

    I don’t have a problem with Greta putting out her, or someone’s, thoughts on climate as a free society should allow even oddball views to be expressed. I do have a problem with a global media that takes the oddball views seriously and promotes them so strongly.

    To me Greta is just a poor kid with health problems who is being used as the acceptable face of a neo-communist push for power. Why is it that she only scolds in English? Wouldn’t she be more comfortable using her native language, Swedish? If she is so concerned about CO2 emissions why does she not learn some Mandarin or Hindi and go on a tour of China or India and tell them how to fix their evil ways?

    Why? because it is all about weakening the West, esp. the English speaking West. Without the technological and industrial power of fossil fuel base load power the west could never repeat what it did in WW2 and the Russians and Chinese would simply have their way in international affairs.

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    16 Oct 2019: NoTricksZone: Rahmstorf Gets Hit For Alarmism…Leading Swiss Meteorologist: “Climate Ratzinger”…”Religious Exaggeration”
    By P Gosselin
    According to the online, German-language Merkur.de here (LINK), citing Swedish daily Expressen, 16-year old climate activist is advised by Professor Stefan Rahmstorf, among others, of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research (PIK) in Germany…

    Alarmism as a business model
    According to the Merkur, the PIK has “created a business model with climate change”, adding: “It advises state institutions and municipalities on how they can protect themselves against the severe climate changes predicted by PIK.”
    The Merkur reports how Greta and Professor Rahmstorf “have met on several occasions” and how the 16-year old “calls the professor for advice.”
    Rahmstorf praises the teenager, saying “she knows a lot about climate science” and argues that politicians too should adopt Greta’s doomsday visions…
    RAHMSTORF TWEET

    “Holy anger” and “religious exaggeration”
    Not only are some media questioning Rahmstorf’s alarmist climate science, though it makes for good headlines, so are other experts, such as renowned geologist Stefan Kröpelin (LINK), or Prof. Fritz Vahrenholt (LINK), or veteran meteorologist Jörg Kachelmann.
    Swiss meteorologist Kachelmann calls Rahmstorf a “climate Ratzinger,” alluding to former Pope Benedict XVI, earlier known as Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger.
    Kachelmann, a warmist, has become turned off by the fiery Potsdam professor’s “religious exaggeration” and “holy anger” in the climate debate.

    “Climate howler”
    The two heavyweights recently even argued on Twitter about whether a piece of broken glass could trigger a forest fire, as Rahmstorf claims, or not.
    The sharp-witted, media-savvy Kachelmann recently characterized claims made by Rahmstorf as “potsdaft” – an allusion to his place of work – and labeled him a Klimaheuler, a ‘climate howler’…

    Surrounded by alarmists, rational voices not welcome
    Greta Thunberg’s other advisors include Swedish Professor Johan Rockström (53) and British Professor ***Kevin Anderson (57), both devout alarmists…
    https://notrickszone.com/2019/10/16/rahmstorf-gests-hit-for-alarmism-leading-swiss-meteorologist-climate-ratzinger-religious-exaggeration/

    3 Jan: Church Times: Paul Vallely: Get ready for delivery — or disaster
    (Paul Vallely is Visiting Professor in Public Ethics and Media at the University of Chester and Senior Honorary Fellow at the Global Development Institute at the University of Manchester)
    The Today programme on Radio 4 has guest editors between Christmas and New Year. With characteristic BBC balance — the approach which brought it accusations of bias from almost all political factions during the recent general election — it addressed global warming by inviting the arch-conservative Charles Moore and the climate activist Greta Thunberg to edit back-to-back editions of the programme.
    The comparison was instructive. Mr Moore’s contributors included Professor Michael Kelly, a trustee of the Global Warming Policy Foundation, which states that climate science is “not yet settled”…
    He was supported by Lord Ridley, the former science writer of The Daily Telegraph, who draws a considerable income from open-cast coal-mining and who was chairman of Northern Rock when the bank collapsed owing the British Government £26.9 billion…

    In contrast, Greta Thunberg’s programme took its science from ***Kevin Anderson, who is Professor of Energy and Climate Change at Manchester University and a former director of the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research, and author of more than 100 academic papers on the subject.
    Professor Anderson declared that, having ignored 30 years of warnings, we now have little chance of maintaining the rise in global temperature to below two degrees Centigrade. The resultant fires, floods, windstorms, and droughts are already having a disastrous impact on the world’s poorest people. Indeed, unless we radically reframe our behaviour and the structure of our economy, temperatures could rise to four degrees Centigrade by the end of this century, “which will be like living on another planet”…

    The trouble, says the outgoing governor of the Bank of England, Mark Carney, is that financial firms are “not moving fast enough” away from fossil-fuel investments.
    Perhaps it is time for us to demand that our pension funds move our investments elsewhere.
    https://www.churchtimes.co.uk/articles/2020/3-january/comment/columnists/paul-vallely-get-ready-for-delivery-or-disaster

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      ***Anderson mentioned again in relation to Greta:

      29 Dec 2019: Breitbart: BBC a ‘Secular Church’ That ‘Preaches’ on Climate Change, Against Brexit: Guest Editor
      by Victoria Friedman
      During Christmas week, the BBC notionally hands over the editorial management of its flagship Radio 4 news and current affairs programme to guest editors. Such curators this year have included Lady Hale, the President of the Supreme Court which ruled against Brexiteer Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s suspension of parliament.

      Thursday’s programme was edited by cross-dressing artist Grayson Perry, who interviewed former Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams who claimed that climate change was “the largest challenge ever to the human race” and blamed conspiracy theories for people not believing in it. On Monday, climate wunderkind Greta Thunberg is set to edit the programme.

      On Saturday, the honour was handed to Charles Moore, the biographer of Margaret Thatcher, a columnist for the centre-right Telegraph, and a trustee for the board of the Global Warming Policy Foundation, a group which includes left-wing, liberal, and conservative voices.
      One of Mr Moore’s chosen interviewees, science writer Matt Ridley…

      Speaking to BBC host Nick Robinson, Dr Ridley said: “The consensus says there is going to be a range of outcomes of anything from one to four degrees [celcius] — one is harmless, four is very harmful — so actually, the consensus is there is going to be a range.
      “The problem is the BBC… have decided to let themselves be bullied by climate activists into dividing us into goodies who believe in climate change and baddies who don’t,” Ridley said.

      The writer continued that at the extremist end of the spectrum are “effectively doomsday cultists now who say we are going to have six billion people dead in a few short decades – that is Roger Hallem of Extinction Rebellion or ***Kevin Anderson, on whom Greta Thunberg, your next guest editor, heavily relies, and he says we are going to see [a] 4C [increase] by 2050.
      “No responsible scientist agrees with that, and yet those people are given a hearing on the BBC whereas the luke-warmers are denied a place on the BBC. We’re not allowed on the BBC,” he continued, adding that his rare appearance is due to the brief and limited control of the programme by Charles Moore.

      At the end of the programme, the guest editor Charles Moore pronounced what he observed as the BBC’s institutional hypocrisy, saying: “When I came into the building this morning, you have a statue of George Orwell just outside and he speaks about the importance of the liberty to tell people what they don’t want to hear.
      “I feel the BBC doesn’t want to hear a lot of things which the wider population keeps telling them. I feel that, in particular, the whole Brexit story is a test which the BBC has utterly failed and with permanent damage to its reputation and I don’t think it deserves to stand as it did before,” adding that the publicly-funded broadcaster which claims to be impartial “refused to cover it fairly and tried to prevent the execution to Brexit”…

      “What I am objecting to is preaching. The BBC has decided to be a secular church and it preaches and tells us what we ought to think about things. So it tells us we shouldn’t support Brexit and we should accept climate change alarmism and we have to all kowtow to the doctrines of diversity.”
      Reflecting on his stint as curator, he stated: “The difficulty I have had trying to get all this stuff about climate change onto this programme, even though I am the guest editor… [The] obstacles come in every single time because of rulings and bureaucracy and the fact that Roger Harabin, the environment analyst, is so biased.”…READ ON
      https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/12/29/bbc-secular-church-preaches-climate-change-against-brexit-guest-editor/

      TWEET: Kevin Anderson, Professor of energy and climate change
      Greta – on the nail again!
      GRETA TWEET, “Unite behind the science” LINK TO HER SPEECH TO NATIONAL ASSEMBY, PARIS
      23 Jul 2019

      TWEET: Kevin Anderson
      I’ve never warmed to celebrity or to ‘great people’; society is a complex system not a reductionist triangle of hierarchy. But despite my reservations, I can only be deeply grateful for Greta’s wonderful, concise & highly-informed contribution. A mirror held up to my generation.
      24 Jul 2019
      SCROLL DOWN FOR CARTOON PUPPET-MASTERS/PUPPET
      https://twitter.com/kevinclimate/status/1153937971797790721?lang=en

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    the most extensive resource on Greta, for those who haven’t seen it:

    Jan 2019: wrongkindofgreen: The Manufacturing of Greta Thunberg – for Consent: The Political Economy of the Non-Profit Industrial Complex [ACT I]
    By Cory Morningstar
    Volume I:
    In ACT I, I disclosed that Greta Thunberg, the current child prodigy and face of the youth movement to combat climate change, served as special youth advisor and trustee to the foundation established by “We Don’t Have Time”, a burgeoning mainstream tech start-up. I then explored the ambitions behind the tech company We Don’t Have Time.

    In ACT II, I illustrate how today’s youth are the sacrificial lambs for the ruling elite. Also in this act I introduce the board members of and advisors to We Don’t Have Time. I explore the leadership in the nascent We Don’t Have Time and the partnerships between the well-established corporate environmental entities: Al Gore’s Climate Reality Project, 350.org, Avaaz, Global Utmaning (Global Challenge), the World Bank, and the World Economic Forum (WEF).

    In ACT III, I deconstruct how Al Gore and the planet’s most powerful capitalists are behind today’s manufactured youth movements and why. I explore the We Don’t Have Time/Thunberg connections to Our Revolution, the Sanders Institute, This Is Zero Hour, the Sunrise Movement and the Green New Deal. I also touch upon Thunberg’s famous family…
    http://www.wrongkindofgreen.org/2019/01/17/the-manufacturing-of-greta-thunberg-for-consent-the-political-economy-of-the-non-profit-industrial-complex/

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    Why is this a surprise? A mentally-disturbed teenager, known for nothing more than missing school and sitting on the street, suddenly gets invited to the UN, and whistles up a multi-million dollar yacht to take her across the Atlantic. This requires political influence and big bucks. There’s more to it than her dad and a minor UN functionary.

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    Why would anyone bother?

    Fake humans.

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    So that youth “wetlands” thing is another version of NAMBLA?

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    the only MSM to report the story so far:

    13 Jan: UK Express: Greta Thunberg forced to explain her Facebook posts after her DAD appears to control page
    GRETA THUNBERG’s supporters have raised questions over who actually writes her passionate anti-climate change posts on her Facebook page after a glitch accidentally made it possible to see which accounts were responsible for uploading content.
    By Laura O’Callaghan
    One quick-minded fan of Greta, 17, tapped into one of her posts thanks to the glitch and managed to take screenshots of the accounts which had edited it.
    And to her followers’ dismay, it showed the the accounts behind some of the posts were those belonging to her father Svante Thunberg and Indian climate change activist Adarsh Prathap.
    But seeking to dispel any rumours that she had not penned the impassioned messages herself, Greta reached out to her nearly three million followers on Sunday, insisting she has wrote every single one of them…

    She tweeted: “It seems that @SiemensDE has the power to stop, delay or at least interrupt the building of the huge Adani coal mine in Australia.
    “On Monday they will will announce their decision. Please help pushing them to make the only right decision. #StopAdani…

    ***Despite the callout and protests by activists, Siemens refused to bow to pressure.
    The German firm said it would push ahead with plans to fulfil a deal to help develop a mine Down Under.
    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1227896/greta-thunberg-climate-change-activist-Facebook-page-social-media-posts-edited

    Siemens sticks with Adani contract, despite protests
    In-Depth-The Australian – 20 hours ago

    13 Jan: SBS: AFP: Siemens to stick with Adani project despite Greta Thunberg’s climate plea
    The decision comes after thousands of protesters gathered outside Siemens offices across Germany calling for them to abandon the Adani coal mine project…
    “We have just finished our special meeting … We have evaluated all the options and have concluded that we must fulfil our contractual obligations,” Siemens CEO Joe Kaeser said in a message on his Twitter account…

    The proposed Carmichael mine, owned by India’s Adani group, has long been controversial but anger over the multi-billion-euro project has been fanned by Australia’s catastrophic bushfire season (LINK)…

    The world’s largest coral reef system faces multiple threats to its survival, most notably rising sea temperatures caused by climate change, water pollution and coral-eating starfish.
    https://www.sbs.com.au/news/siemens-to-stick-with-adani-project-despite-greta-thunberg-s-climate-plea

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    14 Jan: SBS: AAP: A eucalyptus tree in Tasmania has been named after Greta Thunberg
    Environmentalists in Tasmania have named giant eucalypts after prominent conservationists, including young climate activist Greta Thunberg.
    The tree is one of five giant eucalypts in the Huon Valley that have been given the name of a prominent figure by a state conservation group.

    ***Other have been dubbed David Attenborough and Tim Flannery, after the Australian environmentalist and author…

    “We chose to name these trees after famous climate change advocates as these trees play an important role in fighting climate change, just like their namesakes,” Dr Jennifer Sanger from Forestry Watch said, noting the eucalypts’ ability to store carbon…
    https://www.sbs.com.au/news/a-eucalyptus-tree-in-tasmania-has-been-named-after-greta-thunberg

    TWEET: Ryan Maue
    Swiss tennis player Roger Federer is very popular & respected in the world. Well, apparently he’s a climate criminal according to Greta Thunberg b/c he is sponsored by Credit Suisse, which lended to fossil fuel related businesses. @rogerfederer responds REUTERS LINK
    12 Jan 2019
    https://twitter.com/RyanMaue/status/1216398566228406272

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      “We chose to name these trees after famous climate change advocates as these trees play an important role in fighting climate change, just like their namesakes,” Dr Jennifer Sanger from Forestry Watch said, noting the eucalypts’ ability to store carbon…

      Kindergarten level of logic.

      SET staff shine at annual awards

      UTAS Home
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      SET staff shine at annual awards
      Published on: 22 Sep 2017 1:08pm

      ” … Dean’s Award for Exceptional Performance by a Higher Degree by Research Graduate, Dr Hannah MacGregor (School of Biological Sciences); honourable mention certificates, Dr Ben Halliwell (School of Biological Sciences) and Dr Jennifer Sanger (School of Land and Food); … “

      Apparently she’s just got out of school, at UTAS.

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