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Climate change means Greenland is the same temperature now as 1880

Hands up who knew that Greenland has been pretty much the same temperature for the last hundred and forty years?

We know that there has been massive melting ice, shrinking ice sheets, a dark zone that is a huge problem, that the melting is accelerating, faster than at any time in the last 400 years. We all know “this is scary”, and due to climate change and could raise sea levels by 20 feet. And that’s just the news stories in the last two weeks.

At NoTricksZone, Kenneth Richards has found an up to date graph of Greenland temperatures  buried in the supplement of a new paper by Mikkelsen et al., 2018:

Greenland Temperatures, Graph, 2018.

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So Greenland hasn’t been showing signs of warming since man made CO2 started rapidly rising after World War II. Indeed Greenland has been not responding to CO2 for 140 years or maybe a million.

Serious researchers have known this for years. It’s not like a flat trend suddenly popped up to surprise us.

Hat tip to Bob FJ for sending graphs and links of earlier studies last year. Even far back in 2004, it was obvious Greenland was not warming like it was supposed to. That hasn’t stopped flocks of researchers and journalists from not mentioning it. This story is just as much about the media as it is about Greenland.

The World Climate Report (skeptics) was pointing out this in 2004 (and 2000).

Figure 1 shows the IPCC near-surface air temperature record for Greenland, which includes a highly statistically significant cooling of 0.11°C (0.20°F) per decade over the past 64 years!

Greenlandm Graph, Temperature, IPCC, 2004.

For the record, GISS graphs of separate Greenland stations are behaving in cyclical patterns. Paul Matthews suggested in 2015 that the cycles matched up with the AMP (Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation).

REFERENCES

Chylek, P., Box, J.E. & Lesins, G. (2004) Global Warming and the Greenland Icesheet,  Climatic Change (2004) 63: 201. doi:10.1023/B:CLIM.0000018509.74228.03

Mikkelsen, T. B., Grinsted, A., and Ditlevsen, P. (2018)Influence of temperature fluctuations on equilibrium ice sheet volume, The Cryosphere, 12, 39-47, https://doi.org/10.5194/tc-12-39-2018, 2018. Full paper plus Supplement

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    (…) So Greenland hasn’t been showing signs of warming since man made CO2 started rapidly rising after World War II. (…)

    To know that SINCE ALWAYS ALL THE GAS RECYCLENT! That’s it! And that, volcanoes pollute the atmosphere for millions of years and, if the most toxic gases are not recycled the man would not have appeared on Earth !

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      sunsettommy

      A lot of places have not been cooling for decades besides Greenland, from No Tricks Zone. Each one in the below list has a supporting link.

      Greenland, Antarctica And Dozens Of Areas Worldwide Have Not Seen Any Warming In 60 Years And More!

      Since 1870s – no warming
      Greenland – no warming
      New Zealand – no warming
      Antarctica – no warming
      North Atlantic – no warming
      Western Pacific – no warming
      India/Western Himalaya – no warming
      Pakistan – no warming
      Turkey – no warming
      Himalayas/Nepal – no warming
      Siberia – no warming
      Portugal – no warming
      NE China – no warming
      SW China – no warming
      South China – no warming
      West China – no warming
      Southern South America – no warming
      Canada (B.C.) – no warming
      Canada Central – no warming

      Since 1940s/50s – no warming
      Northern Hemisphere – no warming
      Arctic Region – no warming
      Greenland – no warming
      South Iceland – no warming
      North Iceland – no warming
      Alaska – no warming
      New York – no warming
      Rural U.S. – no warming
      Northern Europe – no warming
      Western Europe – no warming
      Mediterranean Region – no warming
      Finland and Sweden – no warming
      East Antarctica – no warming
      North Atlantic – no warming
      Western North Atlantic – no warming
      Brazil – no warming
      SE Australia – no warming
      Southern South America – no warming
      Andes Mountains – no warming
      Chile – no warming

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        Harry Twinotter

        Australia has warmed. Go check the BOM website.

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          sunsettommy

          Did you notice this is for a small region of SOUTH EAST Australia?

          It is from a published science paper.

          You didn’t make any working counterpoint……..

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            Harry Twinotter

            sunsettommy.

            Not sure why you would care about a small region – temperature changes in small regions are irrelevant to global warming.

            But define which region you are talking about, and I might be able to find the long-term temperature data for it and check the trends.

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    Craig

    Jo,
    These people have mortgages to be paid and families to feed. Why are you trying to take this away from them? Are you that heartless that you want to have these families kicked to kerb? Sleep in cars? Line up in soup kitchens?

    It doesn’t matter about the evidence, as long as they have a fantasy job participating in a consumerist world and being part of the greater economic good. It doesn’t matter that these people are so lacking in moral fibre about truth and reality that Walmart would have second thoughts about employing them as cleaners.

    Jo, it doesn’t matter any more, the horse has well and truely bolted.

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      Leonard Lane

      Craig. I don’t agree. Of course the Greenland temperatures have not followed CO2 rises since the industrial age or any time since.
      But, now that the truth is out, the historical records will be adjusted, cleaned up, homogenized, pasteurized, quality controlled, and fixed.
      Within a year or two the Greenland data will have a significant rate of rise to match all other databases that the warmunists have adulterated, faked, and destroyed.

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    Yonniestone

    What has Greenland CO2 and the Arrhenius effect got in common?

    They’ve both been lagging reality for ~140 years.

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    sophocles

    We know from a piece of modern history that the south eastern area of Greenland, which is supposed to have lost a huge amount of mass, “due to Global Warming was actually gaining mass at a rate of about 1.7m of altitude per year from 1942 to 1988.

    The P38 Lockheed Lightning now known as Glacier Girl was one of six P38 fighters and two B17 bombers on their way to Britain. Bad weather led to their forced landing on the ice cap.

    They were located in 1988, over 80m, (or 264 feet) deep in the ice and about 2 miles away from the crash site.

    Recovery of Glacier Girl was started a couple of years after discovery allowing another couple of metres of snow and ice to add to its cover.

    So we have undeniable, documented, physical evidence—the aircraft has been restored and is flying—the SE area of Greenland was not melting away or losing ice cover at all, at least not before 2003/4. And we are expected to believe experts (where ‘X’ is the size of the lie falsehood deception misrepresentation fabrication deceit mendacious fake fact and a spurt is a drip under pressure) that that area was melting because of CAGW.

    What CAGW?

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      sophocles

      Sea Level Rise will be delayed for another couple of centuries.

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        NB

        Yes, the water is bucketing into the ocean, but there is a delay in sea level rise. Trust me, I’m a climate scientist.
        Studies show that despite a huge loss of ice there is a 100 year delay in the reduction of land ice levels and commensurate increase in sea level. Stupid people think this means there is no ice loss. When the sea level rise comes it’ll inundate us all, including with a sea rise forcing of 300% – every one litre of water added to the ocean will result in a rise equivalent to the addition of 3.1298324537609825890 litres. In New York only apartments above 25 floors will be habitable. Buy a boat. Definitely more research is required.

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          sophocles

          Yes, the water is bucketing into the ocean, but there is a delay in sea level rise.

          I know that. The tide gauge in my harbour says: 0.0009m rise, yearly and has held steady at that rate of increase for the last 67 years. Clearly, we are going to be imminently inundated.

          However, you’re not getting a another grant to research it: wrong songsheet. :-)

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            WXcycles

            Melt water is hygrophobic, it takes a few decades to get fully wet.

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              sophocles

              … and you just can’t talk to some of these warmists, their behaviour and language strongly suggests they’re hydrophobic :)

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      el gordo

      The planes had drifted ten miles and ‘lay beneath 264 feet of solid ice.’

      Proving conclusively that even the global warming of late last century didn’t make a dent.

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        sophocles

        Ten miles? When discovered in 1988, the glacier had carried them two miles “downstream” from where they landed. That was after 46 years. They will have moved further over the last 30 years. But are you sure of that ten?

        Yep, the global warming made no difference. That was one of the proofs, for me, that the famous, wondrous, gospels, the Great Computer Models, were so far out of whack, nothing out of them was trustworthy. Nothing’s changed.

        Then sometime in late 2007, I first read the page on Glacier Girl and immediately tripped over another article in which Susan Solomon, one of the Great Computer Modellers, was crying into her soup about how the Great Computer Models just couldn’t do clouds and that was “a travesty,” so they had to hurry up with filling in that hole along with a whole host of others. Trenberth also made some mileage out of that “travesty” word a few years later. Nothing’s changed.

        That nailed the lid on. I’ve been trying to bury the coffin ever since. From believer to sceptic in four years.
        Nothing’s changed. :-)

        Have you seen Shaviv’s explanation and the Great Experiment from earlier this month?

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      Dennis

      How did they de-ice the wings?

      lol

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      sophocles

      And Ocean Acidification is delayed for ever.

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        WXcycles

        Isn’t it amazing, the oceans are full to the gills with carbonate, and some how it goes ACIDic.

        Someone call a chemist! The tragic greenies can’t read a bloody litmus-paper test! Well let’s keep it real simple for the greenie loon:
        —–

        Q: How Does Calcium Carbonate Neutralize Stomach Acid?

        A: Calcium carbonate neutralizes stomach acid, which is primarily hydrochloric acid, by reacting with it to form carbon dioxide, calcium chloride and water. As water forms, the number of free hydrogen ions in the stomach decreases, creating a less acidic environment. The digestive tract eliminates the carbon dioxide as a gas.

        https://www.reference.com/health/calcium-carbonate-neutralize-stomach-acid-cc75a23b034a9475
        —–

        Carbonate Compensation Depth

        “Calcite compensation depth (CCD) is the depth in the oceans below which the rate of supply of calcite (calcium carbonate) lags behind the rate of solvation, such that no calcite is preserved. Aragonite compensation depth (hence ACD) describes the same behaviour in reference to aragonitic carbonates. Aragonite is more soluble than calcite, so the aragonite compensation depth is generally shallower than the calcite compensation depth.

        Calcium carbonate is essentially insoluble in sea surface waters today. Shells of dead calcareous plankton sinking to deeper waters are practically unaltered until reaching the lysocline where the solubility increases dramatically. By the time the CCD is reached all calcium carbonate has dissolved according to this equation:

        CaCO 3 + CO 2 + H 2 O ↽ − − ⇀ Ca 2 + ( aq ) + 2 HCO 3 − ( aq ) {\displaystyle {\ce {CaCO3 + CO2 + H2O Ca^2+ (aq) + 2HCO_3^- (aq)}}} {\displaystyle {\ce {CaCO3 + CO2 + H2O Ca^2+ (aq) + 2HCO_3^- (aq)}}}

        Calcareous plankton and sediment particles can be found in the water column above the CCD. If the sea bed is above the CCD, bottom sediments can consist of calcareous sediments called calcareous ooze, which is essentially a type of limestone or chalk. If the exposed sea bed is below the CCD tiny shells of CaCO3 will dissolve before reaching this level, preventing deposition of carbonate sediment. …”

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbonate_compensation_depth
        —–

        And yet the rabid idiot greens, and various university in-house morons, who keep claiming themselves to be published ‘scientists’, and the silly old media gits like David Attenborough, still claim the ocean has become an ACID.

        Well where are the thousands of Chemists and Geochemists in Oz, and wider western world, who apparently refuse to meet to protest the relentless blatant lies in all mainstream media, and the absurd greenie lies and perversion of claiming that the ocean is now ACID? When a very large portion of it’s volume is super-saturated with carbonate in solution, and ocean floors are covered in carbonate sediments which make an acid ocean physically IMPOSSIBLE to develop and sustain?

        Where are you, the University Chemistry Department Heads and Professors?

        You useless gutless dead-wood.

        At least Galileo had a spine.

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      Peter C

      I liked the Glacier Girl Story.

      However it might not prove that Greenland is gaining ice.

      Assuming that Greenland gains ice in the middle and looses ice at the edges (by ice bergs carving off), Glacier Girl lands in the middle and after a few years has been buried deep in snow. But she has moved toward the edge. Glacier Girl is a marker for a little bit of snow that fell on Greenland in 1944. After a few centuries Glacier Girl reaches the edge and the iceberg breaks off.

      The total ice could be increasing, decreasing or staying the same.

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        sophocles

        Oh come on Peter C. Really.
        Think about it.

        Glacier Girl is a marker for a little bit of snow, enough to form a 1.7m layer of ice when compacted, which fell on Greenland in 1942, a bit in 1943, another bit in 1944, more in 1945, more in 1946, more in 1947, … etc, etc. The 1.7m per annum is the average rate of growth. It could have been more over the years of the 1970s (cooling then) and less from 1984-1988. Between discovery in 1988 (at 80m deep), and the excavation (1992), they were 84m deep, another 4m of snow and ice.. We know the rate averaged 1m per year, for those last four years. Snow packs down to form ice. Ice. It doesn’t take long. Some photos of the excavation suggest the ice started about two meters under the snow in 1992.

        “In a couple of centuries …” que? Optimist. They’re moving at about 0.043 miles per year. That’s two miles divided by forty six years. I’m keeping it simple. In 200 years from now, they will have moved about another 8-9 miles. Simple arithmetic should have told you that. The phrase moving at a glacial pace has a real and literal meaning. Even a snail moves faster—but only in warm temperatures.

        If the ice were melting, as has been often claimed, then how come the planes were buried ever deeper? Would it not be more reasonable they should have stayed within a few metres of the surface, or even surfaced?

        None of the available literature which I’ve been able to find gives any idea of how far inland (or “in from the edge“) the landing site is. From the photographs, the site seemed to have been chosen because it seemed pretty flat and level. For all we know, that could have been 50 or more miles in from the edge.

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      Tim Hammond

      I believe that the loss of mass is from “under” the new ice, but alos from the edges of the ice, in the form of bergs. You can add mass on top, but that doesn’t mean mas isn’t being lost in other ways.

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        sophocles

        Under the baking hot sun of those summer Arctic heatwaves, the surface of the ice pack melts forming puddles maybe a centimetre or four deep, which causes the Guardian to froth at the mouth and beat its readers over their heads as it beats its breast whilst shrieking: “Greenland is melting! Here’s the evidence! We’re all gonna drown!
        </sarc>

        The puddles eventually run into the fissures in the ice and pool at the bottom of the ice sheet (maybe 2000m below) in a bigger puddle but one out of sight. Some could re-freeze, some may find its way into the sea.

        If it wasn’t for that, maybe every year or maybe every few years, those planes could have been over 100m deep instead of just 80m.

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        sophocles

        As a rough rule of thumb, the rate of berg calving is directly proportional to the weight of snow arriving in at least the previous year.

        At 0.04 miles per annum, (very approximately 70m per year) it takes a bit for the pressure to work it’s way down the glacier. That doesn’t account for melt. That could be calculated but with the sun at about 20° above the horizon by the summer solstice (c. 23° at the Arctic Circle), it’s not going to get all that hot. At such an angle of incidence, somewhere about 80% of the insolation would be reflected away and only c. 20% absorbed.

        Wow. Yep: Greenland’s gonna melt. Because of tectonic action, it could happen before the sun goes nova.

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      Hivemind

      We have conclusive evidence that the size of the warming is directly proportional to the size of the grant to study it. Or did I get that back to front?

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    Roy Hogue

    Horrors !!! Quick, hide your women and children from the coming disaster.

    Oh nuts. Wait a minute, there’s no place to run to. I guess we’re all doomed to have an Antarctica that hasn’t changed temperature since 1880. Terror in the streets for sure…

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    toorightmate

    Very different at the Great Barrier Reef.
    ABC News web site this morning tells us that the lower portions of the GBR have been COOKED by the recent HEATWAVE – NEVER TO RECOVER!!!
    Scientists sais so!!!
    I might go outside and emulate for a while.

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      glen Michel

      REEF NEVER TO RECOVER!! Send grant monies forthwith or else WHOLE reef dies! ABC 2021.Experts report its not worse than we thought and the Reef has made a complete recovery.

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      Greg in NZ

      But, but, but – apologies, my keyboard is so cold it’s chat-chat-chattering – but Eccles, what are all those blue, colder than Mr Norm Average, anomaly patches doing in the Coral Sea off QLD’s coast? Last time I looked that’s where the fragile, oh-so-delicate, ancient Great Barrier Reef was located… unless, it too, has run away with the fork ‘n’ spoon?

      http://www.ospo.noaa.gov/data/sst/anomaly/2018/anomnight.4.16.2018.gif

      A colder-than-average blue patch is also apparent between the Solomon and Fijian islands, where Cyclone Keni sucked the warmth off the ocean’s surface, as cyclones do. And with only ten days left in the 2018 cyclone season, ACE (Accumulated Cyclone Energy) is >10% below average and flatlining…

      http://tropical.atmos.colostate.edu/Realtime/index.php?loc=southernhemisphere

      Dang, this observed science stuff keeps trouncing the absurd scientology fluff. Maybe they need more money for more research and more trips to the tropic of but but but…

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      WXcycles

      @toorightmate

      “I might go outside and immolate for a while.”

      Fixed.

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    Harry Twinotter

    Even if the average temperature of Greenland has not gone up much (which I doubt), the question is “so what”?

    Climate change is global, not just one location. So to just cherry-pick Greenland is misleading.

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      Mark M

      If the question is so what, how stupid is the answer?

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      el gordo

      Antarctica is packing on snow and ice the same as Greenland, except for the undersea volcanic warming along the Peninsula.

      But lets stick to Greenland because I suspect large icebergs will soon be showing up in the North Atlantic due to calving, which as you are aware is a regional cooling signal.

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      glen Michel

      Been down the Rabbit hole again?

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      OriginalSteve

      Is a twin otter an aircraft?

      Always wondered that….sounds like it….

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        Kinky Keith

        Yes.

        That’s why Vlad addresses the Hon Gentleman as Dr Dehaviland.

        It is no real drama to go through life uneducated, but to be completely at the mercy of others who might be manipulative, like the global warming pushers is sad.

        Poor Harry, and then he goes and puts the whole mess on display for all to see.

        KK

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        sophocles

        Yes it is. Made in Canada.
        The DH Otter is a single-engined aircraft.
        The DH Twinotter has two engines.

        Makes one wonder about Harry … maybe he’s only running on half an engine.

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          The Deplorable Vlad the Impaler

          In a former life, when I was right-seat on TwinOtters, I gained a lot of respect for them, flying out of Logan, Utah, in the 1970′s. They were easy to fly, robust, and had impressive performance when one of the Jet-A Converters (a system that converts Jet-A fuel into noise … ) would go “south”, we were able to make the approach on one engine, with no trouble, even in the mountains of Utah, regardless of ice, passenger load, or any other issues.

          Since Harry “Citations please” (not sure if he means ‘literature’ or the Cessna twin-jet series of aircraft) TwinOtter took that moniker, and is so convinced of his own intellectual superiority (h/t, MudCrab, a few threads ago), I decided that he must be “Dr. (in the sense of ‘Professor‘) DeHavilland”. I am indebted to him for my moniker. When I saw the documentary on the historical personage of Vlad the Impaler, it seemed a distinct complement; I think he was trying to promote an insult upon me, and at one point Jo requested that I consider changing my moniker.

          But, I think it fits.

          I leave it to others to decide if I should adopt something … … … less … … … debilitating

          Regards to all,

          Vlad (a seriously deplorable personage, on the “cutting” edge of societal evolution)

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            WXcycles

            Nah keep it, do you moonlight? I may have some odd-jobs for you to take care of.

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              The Deplorable Vlad the Impaler

              I’ll have to pass; OddJobb is definitely out of my league (h/t Goldfinger). I wouldn’t be able to get close to him with that hat of his.

              I hope you get the “point”.

              Vlad

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          rapscallion

          Maybe both engines have had it, and he’s just gliding !

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        Wayne Job

        Once apon a time long ago I was in NG fixing the bloody things, we called them Twotters so may be you can call him a twot.

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          Kinky Keith

          Wayne,
          I was in New Guinea over Christmas of 1969 and flew from port moresby to Wewak and Nuku and back, thankfully, in a number of aircraft including DC3, Fokker and BNI.

          About 50 years ago.

          While waiting at ambunti I saw an amazing STOL aircraft land. It seemed to just hang in the air and was called by locals, a helo.

          Nuku had a long strip but fairly steep.

          KK

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            Kinky Keith

            I have great admiration for the old ladies who chewed Booai all day and could surface the next day for another dose.

            Powerful stuff.

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            While waiting at ambunti I saw an amazing STOL aircraft land. It seemed to just hang in the air and was called by locals, a helo.

            That might have been a Pilatus PC-6 heli-porter tail-dragger. Later upgraded to a Turbo-porter. 680HP full reversing prop; still a 6 place tail-dragger! Ever bin in a tail-dragger; backing from a parking spot; then taking off into 35 MPH headwind, while going backwards to the hangars? None ever recall Ev our wonderful pilot being sober. :-)
            All the best!-will-

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              Kinky Keith

              I was thinking that might have been it. When I checked yesterday the most likely contender was the Porter Pilatus built in conjunction with Fairchild.

              The DC3 was a tail dragger.

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                When I checked yesterday the most likely contender was the Porter Pilatus built in conjunction with Fairchild.

                HA! 6 vicious troops were delivered anyware within 300 yds of target! Then all 6 retrieved going upwind of target. Dese guys are good! :-)

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                Kinky Keith

                Will, The plane I saw landing seemed to be composed mainly of flaps.

                Have also seen a demo on a local airfield of a Fiessler Storche built to imitate the original but only three quarters regular size. TO and landing.

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                Kinky Keith April 20, 2018 at 3:51 pm

                Will, The plane I saw landing seemed to be composed mainly of flaps.

                Dats Big moter und lotsa flaps. Yous got it guy! Lockheed’s U2 could do greater vertical ascent but only above 1km AGL. ;-)

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        Is a twin otter an aircraft?
        Always wondered that….sounds like it….

        YES wid spare engine and way to many pilots! :-)

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      tom0maason

      “…Climate change is global”

      Dumb, dumb, dumb!

      Climate and it variation is ONLY local, regional.

      There is NO Global Climate!

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      DonK31

      Global warming means everywhere around the globe. All that needs to be done is to find 1 place that is not warming and the hypothesis of global warming is falsified.

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        Harry Twinotter

        DonK31.

        No.

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        Lewis p Buckingham

        Not really.
        The theory of CO2 amplification is that the warming should be everywhere, as CO2 is like a blanket and a well mixed gas.
        However it should manifest itself first at the poles.
        Greenland ice cores are used as a proxy for historic global cooling or warming.
        Another plank of CO2 amplification predicts a good tropospheric ‘hot spot’ above the equator.

        A finding that Greenland is not melting or freezing anything different than in the past, as shown by the above data, means one simply applies Occum’s Razor.
        Conclusion, CO2 rise after we started pumping it into the atmosphere, has not altered this proxy for global climate change.
        Down Under the Antarctic is not warming, except over geothermal energy, so the CO2 blanket isnt likely to be measurable there.
        The tropical hot spot isn’t there, it should be 4x the increment of temperature measured by GASTA.
        All this does not mean the Earth is not warming, it just means that if CO2 is doing this, it does not fit the hypothesis of catastrophic warming.
        At best the outcome is benign.
        The total mechanism of climate is not known.
        No Global Circulation Model can model it.
        The science is not in.

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          Kinky Keith

          A great outline.
          Especially the last few lines.

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          The total mechanism of climate is not known.No Global Circulation Model can model it.
          The science is not in.

          The Climate Clowns have not the slightest understanding of electromagnet power transfer (flux) in any direction; or why such ‘may’ spontaneously occur but only in a direction (‘acceptance’ lower radiance) in each separate orthogonal dimension of length,angle,frequency, or its conjugate elapsed (not proper time)! Also called “history”
          by scammers\politicians\academia\theology. Each idiot is for only individual financial gain.
          That financial gain is exemplified by congressional law that demands an additional 2% convenience fee collected by the USIRS even for cash paid at 7-11 store before 04-17-18:23:59 deadline.
          No need to shoot ignorant elected congress-critters; but only each and every vile Bankster that wish to skim from every Mother’s milk. BASTARDS!

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        WXcycles

        It used to be called, “planetary greenhouse effect”, back in them olden days, when people still listened to Jeff Beck and SRV.

        A Day In The House – Jeff Beck:
        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lrZNrHUtO-8

        Couldn’t Stand the Weather – Stevie Ray Vaughn
        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=veOPrDAGLqE

        Full Album:
        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6rnrmC8W6h0

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      toorightmate

      Harry, my dear old mate you are absolutely correct.
      Climate change is global.
      It always has been and it always will be – REGARDLESS OF WHATEVER THE SPECIES OF HUMANS MIGHT TRY TO DO.

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        Harry Twinotter

        toorightmate.

        Yes, when they talk about climate change they are talking about global warmining. That was my point.

        You have lost me on your second point. Have a nice cup of tea and try again.

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          toorightmate

          It’s not too hard to lose you Harry. A three word sentence is normally sufficient.

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          OriginalSteve

          I lost my remote down the back of the couch and was amazed to find the missing atmospheric hotspot right next to it…amazing things, couches…like a thermal Tardis….

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      robert rosicka

      Hey Twotter you used this reference about ocean acidification in a previous post do you stand by it or are you exactly what we know you are ?

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_acidification

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        Kinky Keith

        Uneducated?

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          Uneducated?

          Careful there! UN-just-what, the Criminal education BS needs be flushed by all forever! Every infant learns from the Momma pleasure in licking ‘poor sweet baby’ but also from surrounding elder sibling wish for such Mommy attention. COMPETITION here and now!
          Ignorant self appointed political EDUCATORS can only destroy such intimate learning of gemeinschaft Vs gesellschaft
          All the best!-will-

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      sophocles

      The answer to that Harry, is don’t cherry pick it.
      New Zealand hasn’t had any Global Warming.
      Antarctica hasn’t had any Global Warming.
      Ergo: it’s not global.

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      So what?

      Here’s what — the Greenland story shows how dishonest climate scientists are and how blinded the media are.

      A lie by omission is still a lie.

      If we can’t trust them to tell the whole truth, we. can’t. trust. them.

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        Greg in NZ

        Valkyrie / Dome Fuji in Antarctica is showing -96˚C again today (similar to last week, before dropping to -92˚ then ‘disappearing’). Saved a copy / screenshot in case today’s one gets homogeneously adjusted by hex-spurts.

        http://amrc.ssec.wisc.edu/data/view-data.php?action=view_image&product=surface/plot/TAC.GIF

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          OriginalSteve

          Speaking of Valkyrie…

          For all the climate worriers and people who love to cringingly drive electric shopping trolleys that have all the excitement of a bad head cold…here is human achievement on display…..

          But….Climate worriers definition of achievement is global slavery, crushing draconian laws to limit human activity, Stalinism in the green wrapper.

          Which one should you choose? Choose wisely….

          https://global.astonmartin.com/en-gb/models/aston-martin-valkyrie

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        Harry Twinotter

        Jo Nova.

        So you claim. You can say anything you like about the media as it is common knowledge they do not report the truth, they are in the entertainment business. But if you are accusing “climate scientists” of dishonesty, I think you should present your evidence. Words are cheap after all.

        If you think that Greenland temps have not risen, make your case. I promise to have a look. You can even write a paper.

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          robert rosicka

          In reply to twotters swipe at Jo for suggesting climate scientists tell fibs and name names etc I have the following suggestion ” climategate “.

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          But if you are accusing “climate scientists” of dishonesty, I think you should present your evidence. Words are cheap after all.

          Worthless are all Tw’otter’s words! The Climate scammers are well known for such dishonesty. OTOH those that claim title to “climate scientist” are better known for their continually displayed scientific ignorance! :-)

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      Tim Hammond

      Ah yes, it is global, except oddly no-one can find a location where it is happening.

      So globally it’s warmer, but in every location, we measure, it’s not.

      So how come the global is higher then?

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        Harry Twinotter

        Tim Hammond.

        Check out the temperature trends for Australia and for the Arctic for starters.

        If you are claiming there is no temperature rise anywhere, you need to demonstrate that is the case.

        If you want to know how the Global Mean Temperature index is calculated, I recommend the GISTEMP website.

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          AndyG55

          more like these.

          Since 1870s
          Greenland – no warming
          New Zealand – no warming
          Antarctica – no warming
          North Atlantic – no warming
          Western Pacific – no warming
          India/Western Himalaya – no warming
          Pakistan – no warming
          Turkey – no warming
          Himalayas/Nepal – no warming
          Siberia – no warming
          Portugal – no warming
          NE China – no warming
          SW China – no warming
          South China – no warming
          West China – no warming
          Southern South America – no warming
          Canada (B.C.) – no warming
          Canada Central – no warming

          Since 1930s/40s
          Northern Hemisphere – no warming
          Arctic Region – no warming
          Greenland – no warming
          South Iceland – no warming
          North Iceland – no warming
          Alaska – no warming
          New York – no warming
          Rural U.S. – no warming
          Northern Europe – no warming
          Western Europe – no warming
          Mediterranean Region – no warming
          Finland and Sweden – no warming
          East Antarctica – no warming
          North Atlantic – no warming
          Western North Atlantic – no warming
          Brazil – no warming
          SE Australia – no warming
          Southern South America – no warming
          Andes Mountains – no warming
          Chile – no warming

          MANY places in the world, (and periods) are NOT warming

          Japan since 1998
          Whole world between 1980 and 1998
          Whole World 2001-2015
          UAH South Extratropics
          Canada
          Central Africa
          Australia last 20 years
          China

          I can provide graphic proof of all these, Twotter

          But I doubt you would learn one thing from any actual FACTS. !!

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      Russ Wood

      Yes, and ‘global climate change’ is causing floods in the North of South Africa, while the same change is causing a drought in Cape Town to the South!

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      Belfast

      We didn’t cherry pick it, the GW!s did.
      Greenland and the Arctic are the two Old Faithfuls of Global Warming.

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      AndyG55

      “Climate change is global,”

      WRONG.

      Do you want that list again, twotter.

      AMNY places are NOT WARMING

      Only places showing warming are those affected by ocean cycles. So it CANNOT be human cayused.

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    John Watt

    Poetic justice. Greens lies exposed by evidence from Greenland. Maybe Albert Gore can make another movie featuring Greenland.

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    Tony

    Focus on far away land and more blabber about power stations. Real people on other hand have to live and work in Sydney. April will be hottest on record by big distance. Anything to say about it? Nothing but silence because you know the answer. It is getting warmer

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      Graeme No.3

      Well, IF the temperature rises in line with the claims by the alarmists you had could move to Woollongong, or even Nowra. I doubt you would need to go as far as Bateman’s Bay.

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      Ken Stewart

      See Harry TwinOtter’s comment above- “Climate change is global, not just one location. So to just cherry-pick (Sydney) is misleading.”
      There are a lot of local conditions going on in Sydney that affect Sydney’s weather. Wind direction, humidity, rainfall, and Urban Heat Island are some.
      The two locations on earth that are best suited to detecting greenhouse warming, because they are land, cold, dry, and dark in winter, are Antarctica and Greenland. And neither shows any sign of warming. In fact for the last 39 years Antarctica has been cooling.

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        Harry Twinotter

        Ken.

        It is likely April was the warmest Australia wide, but I prefer to wait until April is finished. The record warm April is more or less in line with the long term trend for Australia.

        I find it unlikely that Antarctica is in a long term cooling trend. The global warming signal in Antarctic surface temperatures is ambiguous I understand.

        If you think Greenland has a cooling trend, please provide a reference for this claim.

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          toorightmate

          Harry, my dear old mate,
          I presume the warm Australian autumn confirms global warming and we simply forget about the abnormally cold spring in the Northern Hemisphere??
          Stop being a donkey and grow up.

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          Sceptical Sam

          For goodness sake Harry, give it a break.

          It’s called an Indian Summer. Always has been. Always will be.

          It is only in the minds of the deluded that it’s something else.

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          manalive

          I’m trying to follow Harry’s line of reasoning here.
          On the one hand the data showing that Greenland temperatures over 150 years showing no correlation between increasing CO2 concentration and temperature, as it should according to the polar amplification hypothesis, is cherrypicking.
          And while staring at the data in his expert opinion, Harry doubts it anyway.
          On the other hand that Australia may have had the warmest April ever carries menacing significance.
          Further, according to his expert opinion a non existent global warming signal in Antarctic surface temperatures is ambiguous.
          Presumably the satellite data is also “ambiguous”.

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            Harry Twinotter

            manalive.

            Please make your case that Greenland temperatures should correlate to rising CO2 over the timescale you refer to. You seem to have pulled this claim out of thin air.

            “menacing significance.” Really? You have just made this up I think.

            I will make my point again because no one is addressing it. The term “global” in “global warming” means global.

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          el gordo

          ‘I find it unlikely that Antarctica is in a long term cooling trend.’

          The Peninsula is hotly debated, but overall there is a slight cooling trend.

          http://notrickszone.com/2017/03/27/20-scientists-no-continent-scale-warming-of-antarctic-temperature-is-evident-in-the-last-century/#sthash.t97l5m7h.dpbs

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          Tim Hammond

          More or less in line because there is no trend. It comes, it goes, its adjusted, it changes.

          Amateurs picking trends from 99% noise are just silly.

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          Wayne Job

          Hope you are right about the hot april Twot, I am leaving Melbourne on the 25th on a motor bike ride to Bourke the only place in OZ I have never visited on a motor bike.I,m 73 and warm would be good.

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          DonK31

          Isn’t it a bit early to call April past tense? After all, it is less than 2/3 over. What was May’s average temp?

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          sophocles

          Harry:
          You sound just like the crickets in my front lawn.

          Don’t be lazy: Go to https://www.notrickszone.com and type “Greenland” into the search field. It’s the box on the top Right Hand side of the page titled: Search:

          It will return about 14 pages with about 20 articles per page about Greenland or including Greenland in each page. Most of those articles cite at least one scientific paper. There are even some which cite or provide links to up to 250 papers.

          That’s at least 200 citations for you, which, for you, should be several lifetime’s supply. Go do some reading.

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            Harry Twinotter

            sophocles.

            So you get your science from blogs? I am not sure what point you are trying to make anyway.

            You go ahead and check that the papers say what Trickszone says they do. Anyone can generate a list of reference, try Google Scholar.

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              Mary C

              Harry, considering that most people are getting their science from press releases and headlines (not even bothering to read the articles!) a blog can often be a far more reliable, and accurate, means of getting information. In a quick google of “global warming blog” I see NASA has one, the Union of Concerned Scientists has one, and I’d go on but with about 1,120,000 results I don’t have the time or patience.

              And just in case I do have your attention, Harry, please define for me the term “Global Climate”, and then tell me how this is determined for the planet Earth. Does this method differ from how we determine a “global” climate for Mars, Venus, Saturn – any other planet? Why? What does this “climate” term really encompass – livability? Temperature? Atmospheric make-up? (and no, not pretty red lipstick floating in the air make-up)

              The climate where I live varies widely within 15 miles – temperature can be hot (78 F) and dry where I live and cold (52 F) and raining just 15 miles away. I’ve woken up in balmy sun and driven 20 miles to find to 2″ of snow and howling winds. It isn’t altitude change either – at most it’s a 200 foot rise or drop.

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                Harry Twinotter

                Mary C.

                I don’t usually bother responding to Gish Gallops as they are intellectually dishonest. Either the person posting them is ignorant, or a fraud.

                Your “global climate” is a subject change – that is also intellectually dishonest.

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          AndyG55

          Poor twotter, why don’t you CHOOSE to live in Siberia or something??

          Get out of your troll-hole and ENJOY this magnificent WEATHER we are fortunate enough to be having

          Thank who-ever you like that we are not battened down is some of the seemingly perpetually frozen USA !!

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          AndyG55

          Trend in Australia… https://s19.postimg.cc/dbjwm4dwj/UAH_Australia.png

          Try to LEARN something, twotter, instead of regurgitating brain-hosed old AGW nonsense

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      Robert Swan

      Yes Tony, I dare say it will get warmer as the sun climbs in the sky this morning. On a longer timescale it’ll get cooler as Sydney heads into winter. I doubt we can accurately predict on longer timescales, but I can predict that the ABC will beat the BoM’s drum at every opportunity — clear days will be record highs, and cloudy days will have record high overnight minimums.

      Seriously, on human timescales, Australia’s weather has not changed.

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      tom0maason

      Tony,

      Weather!

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      beowulf

      So Sydney has the only weather in the world hey Tony? I never knew that, and a lot of other “real people” beg to differ with your ill-informed opinion.
      Here’s some recent headlines for you to ponder from across the pond:

      Even MORE snow for Minnesota

      “Disastrously delayed spring” in Britain — “British farmers in turmoil as delayed spring plays havoc with growing season,” reads the Guardian headline.

      Billings, Montana – Tied for snowiest season EVER

      Snowfall records toppled in South Dakota, Minnesota, Wisconsin

      Blizzard continues in north central US

      Edmonton record for consecutive days at zero or below — an “historic cold stretch.”

      How do you plant crops in this? — Snow-covered fields, frozen ground, and temperatures 35 degrees below average in Alberta!

      Here’s another headline stat for you to suck on: Arctic Sea Ice Volume Surges 3 TRILLION Cubic Metres Since Early March. (That’s the start of the northern spring when the ice should be starting to melt.) Does that sound like warming to you?

      Hmmm. Looks like Sydney is not the only place with weather after all. All that snow and ice where real people have to live and work. When Sydney is 35F above average in April let us know. It will balance out what is happening in the rest of the world.

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        Harry Twinotter

        Is the state of Minnesota breaking temperature records?

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          beowulf

          Nice deflection. Yeah – hottest snow ever.

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          toorightmate

          I don’t know the answer to that one Harry, but I do know they are breaking records for snow cover in Minnesota for the month of April.

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          OriginalSteve

          And then there is Harry Otter-of-Twin… talk about a broken record….

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          Tim Hammond

          Some places are hotter, some places are colder. The “heat” is never distributed equally and never distributed as it was before. That’s how it works, and that’s why we will forever get new records of different kinds.

          It is childish to think that we have, in a few decades, seen every possible temperature we could see.

          There is absolutely nothing unusual happening.

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          el gordo

          ‘Is the state of Minnesota breaking temperature records?’

          Record cold anomalies.

          ‘On Saturday morning, most locations in Minnesota and North Dakota will see lows plummet into the single digits, which is record territory. Minneapolis is expected to fall to 5 degrees, which would mark its second-lowest April temperature on record.’

          The Washington Post / April 4, 2018

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      William

      Tony, I have lived in the same place in Sydney for the last 25 years without air conditioning. I do laugh at the breathless “record” hot spells we are having as, while not at all scientific, I judge our summers on how often I need to close our home up to trap the cooler air in the morning and not opening doors and windows until the afternoon Southerly came through (when it did) bringing cooler air off the ocean and harbour. This last summer we did not need to do that once whereas in other years we had to do that almost daily.

      My other measure is my regular Saturday afternoon golf game – in hot years, you would go into the club house after the round for a cold beer or two, and then after sitting in air conditioning the change when walking back out into the heat was palpable. Over this Spring, Summer and Autumn not once did any of us comment on the heat after walking out of the club house.

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      el gordo

      ‘It is getting warmer.’

      It is unusually warm for this time of year in south east Australia and it has nothing to do with CO2.

      The low pressure troughs are causing the anomaly, impacting SST in the Tasman which encourages ex-tropical cyclones to slam into NZ.

      Blocking highs are now the norm, caused by a collapse of the subtropical ridge, and in this coming winter we should expect extreme weather in midlatitude.

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        WXcycles

        Urban-Heat-Island effect’s overprinting of natural weather variability = Myth of human-induced global warming

        In the olden days there were boogie-men under the bed, now there’s just lame global-climate-model predictions.

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        sophocles

        It’s sure going to be interesting.

        Unfortunately it is a little premature to claim that AGW is turning out to be a lot of wishful thinking based on fallacious assumptions no matter how tempting it may be.

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    Ice doesn’t follow temps it just has a lot to do with them.

    The Arctic melt of the immediate post-Napoleonic period coincided with freezing temps in the Western Europe (and no, this cold wasn’t just subsequent to Tambora, but before and after, go figure). In an ice age, it’s possible that Alaska’s interior will have much less ice than now. Twenty thousand years ago that was the case.

    I doubt it’s possible to take the temperature of any large area. Nor is there any point when the area is politically defined. Why combine the data of Kalgoorlie with that of Cooktown, Hobart with Alice Springs? Because they all have the same Prime Minister? All watch Home and Away?

    But if the whole world is warming a bit that’s normal. Warming is all it’s ever done when it isn’t cooling. Duh. Kicking up a fuss about it is like watching the sun come up and shrieking: It happened again!

    Of course, the base “normal” is glaciation, which may not be far off. Then nature will reduce population for free and our Green Betters will wonder why they got so impatient. But extrapolating wildly and hoping to beat nature to the punch are deep urges of the communist mind.

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    Every now and there Reality breaks through into the fantasy-land that sustains CAGW and Global Warming, or whatever it is called today.

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    TdeF

    Interesting article in the Australian today, that apart from the allegation that the warmer water in the Northern part of the reef has caused widespread bleaching, the connection with the alleged man made Global Warming and Climate Change has no basis in science. If parts of the ocean periodically become warmer than other parts, why is that man made? How does Global Warming cause Climate Change cause localized surface ocean warming? Is there nothing which is not caused by a total lack of Global Warming?

    Then while saying that parts of the reef are irreparably damaged, the estimate is that those parts may take ten years to recover fully. What does that mean? That’s not damaged at all. Sure ten years is a long time in human terms but a blink of an eye in geological terms or even human history. It also means this event may be quite regular but if it happened every hundred years, how would we know? The Reef has not been a tourist attraction for that long. The Aqua Lung was only invented by Jaques Cousteau in 1943.

    There is a great tendency to make profound announcements from the alleged melting of the Himalayan glaciers to the fate of Greenland without any real measurement or any idea what they were like a thousand years ago. Hillary only reached the summit of Everest also in 1953. The first helicopter to reach the same point was 2005. We have gone from ignorant of the world to masters of the universe in a single allegation. It seems we now control the planet.

    Archeological evidence of human settlement is just appearing in Greenland from 1,000AD as the ice thaws slightly around the edges. I mean, there has to be a reason Iceland was called Iceland and Greenland was called Greenland. Man Made Climate Change, the triumph of arrogance over fact.

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    Tony

    Sydney mentioned but not cherry picked. Most of NSW same. New record maximum fir NSW.Far away from cities. Same in Victoria. South Australia. It is warming. No cold records breaking. Stick head in sand. Bet you have nice airconditioning and money to run all day and night. Maost people can’t have money for that.

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      glen Michel

      Pretty warm up here too Tony. 5C above normal for April(MAX).Used tobe called Indian Summer.

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      Graeme No.3

      Tony:

      global warming only in Australia? Surely you can see that it cannot be global in that case.

      The point about Greenland is that it has been portrayed for 30 years as the area where “Global Warming” will show up first, along with the Arctic sea ice and Antarctica. This year the Arctic sea ice has become much bigger although that is probably only the weather, but the area hasn’t really been decreasing with time. The ice in Antarctica (apart from the peninsula which isn’t really in the polar zone) has expanded e.g. the UNSW expedition a few years ago couldn’t get within 100+kilometres of where Mawson moored his ship in 1910.
      So the predictions made by the IPCC have been wrong. Despite this, every year the Canadian Coast Guard has had to rescue numerous groups trying to show that the ice is shrinking, so many that there is talk of charging people for their rescue. I mention this in case you are thinking of running your own expedition.

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      Annie

      Ok. We had 1C here yesterday morning in North Central Vic and we do not live up a mountain or in a deep shadowed valley…only mid-April. In the last three weeks had 2C, some 3C and 4C mins with nice sunny Indian Summer-type autumn days. Seen it here in other years…it’s just weather.

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        Annie

        Our citrus trees were very badly affected by the long cold winter last year. It hasn’t been so bad in previous years. Limes and lemons were frosted and rotted, despite the lime being covered by anti-frost fleece. Crops of oranges, mandarins and grapefruit were all very poor compared with earlier years.
        That’s just ‘weather’ of course, but the nice warm sunny autumn days were climate, also of course.
        /sarc.

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      TedM

      You are right about Maost people not having much money. That’s what communism did to them.

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      el gordo

      Tony its ‘troughing’ causing the anomaly not CO2.

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    Tony

    And why has lady who runs website have nothing to say about April heat. What friends she has, how does sge explain what everyone talking about..She too busy about power stations.

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      TdeF

      Tony this is a normal April. We always have a slow slide into winter. It is the best time of the year. I have memories of many Easter celebrations in NSW where the temperature was 100F, 38C. Calm warm days. Perfect.

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      beowulf

      Tony

      One minute you are complaining that you can’t afford power for air conditioning, the next you are complaining that Jo is talking about closing down cheap coal power stations instead of worrying about normal Autumn days. Do you not see the connection between the two?

      If gullible people would stop believing in global warming we would have all the cheap coal power we needed and you COULD afford air conditioning.

      Apologies, but from your writing I’m guessing you haven’t always lived in Australia, so your knowledge of our historical weather patterns is limited to what you have been told by the idiotic TV reporters who want to sensationalise every warm day as if it had never happened before.

      As Glen Michel and TdeF say, there is nothing unusual about this April’s temperatures. In the year I was born (1957) we had warm temperatures right up until early July. The day I was born winter hit with a vengeance.

      We do not have our heads in the sand. We just observe and think for ourselves. With respect, try looking at what is happening around the world as a whole and don’t swallow the first bit of global warming garbage that is shoved at you on the evening news.

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        TdeF

        Very few people remember the weather on the day they were born.

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          beowulf

          No but their mothers do. The pains of childbirth birth tend to focus the mind on that day. She can remember what she had for breakfast and the names of every nurse from almost 61 years ago.

          She also speaks of the awful heatwave that came through in November 1959 when my sister was born. It had already killed a few babies in Melbourne hospitals just before my mother gave birth. Thus my sister spent the first week of her life not wrapped up warmly in a cradle, but wrapped in wet towels lying in a baby bath to keep her from expiring due to the heat.

          Just imagine if 10 babies died of heat stroke in hospital now. Global warming.

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            ivan

            Or the power went out

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            Carbon500

            1959 – a glorious summer in England as well. A pleasant memory of young days!

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              Annie

              It was; I was stuck indoors taking my ‘O’ Levels rather than enjoying the summer.

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                toorightmate

                The 3 worst years of Annie’s life were Grade 4.

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                Annie

                It wasn’t called that in my day! ‘O’ Level (of the GCE…General Certificate of Education) was 5th year of senior school usually and ‘A’ Level at the end of second year 6th form. ‘A’ was at least the level of first year at uni here in Aus when we emigrated and one of our sons found he was very bored in his first year at Melbourne, having completed schooling in England. That was then; I don’t know about now.

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      el gordo

      Tony you can see the low pressure troughs over NSW, that is why south east Australia is warmer than usual.

      http://www.bom.gov.au/fwo/IDY65100.pdf

      Also, while you’re there, note how the high pressure belt has lost its intensity.

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      Sceptical Sam

      Confucius say:

      Man who stand on side of hill poking tongue out at April heat will catch frost bite.

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        Annie

        Thanks for the laugh!
        I just came back from a pleasant evening out at a church occasion where I had the pleasure of meeting a fellow spirit who looks at Jo’s site every day.

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      AndyG55

      Poor Tony, are you locked inside unable to ENJOY this glorious weather.

      Daddy won’t let you out to play ??

      Bet you CHOOSE to live somewhere warm, or are you actually in Siberia?

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    Kinky Keith

    An interesting thought about what that first great graph might show us in another area of “The Science™”.

    Look at the huge spike in the blue graph around 1933. Why is there a conflict with the information given by the red graph?

    There is a lot more definition in the blue graph than in the red one.

    Perhaps this is the trick being used by our BOM in continually presenting us with record breaking temperatures.

    I would like to see a green “daily” graph added to the blue – monthly and red – annual above.

    Records could be broken.

    Data treatment is the answer to BOMs dreams.

    KK

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      ivan

      Keith, you must remember the overriding law of computing GIGO.

      If you put Garbage, fudged, made-up, homogenized data, In then what you get is Garbage Out in the form of complete nonsense that is nothing like the real world.

      It is that nonsense output that the conmen have been using to con the gullible politicians into putting our taxes into harebrained schemes that will never change the computer garbage results.

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        Kinky Keith

        Hi Ivan

        In this case it seems likely that the data is reliable.

        My main point about data treatment was that there is a good analogy with BOMs present data gathering.

        Much of the early Australian temperature records would be one sampling each of max and min per day.

        Current sampling is per second or even continuous.

        To compare current data with old style data is to create the type of difference seen in the above graph and how dishonest the claims of new records are.

        Now you’ve got me wondering if the old data at the start of the graph has the same meaning as that gathered more recently.

        :-) KK

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    TdeF

    I know it’s an odd question, but why is everything proof of man made Climate Change? For those of us who do not believe in it, it isn’t. For those who do believe, there is a desperation to prove they were right, especially when the temperature has not changed in twenty years. Too bad about those pesky satellites.

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      PeterS

      It’s called confirmation bias. For example it explains why whenever we have a daily temperature average that exceeds all records they jump up and down yelling and screaming “There I told you so, global warming catastrophe!”. It’s pseudo science more akin to Wicca.

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      PeterS

      If you are asking a deeper question as to why they think that way, well that’s more complicated and involves many facets of the human mind. One part is to do with the fact much of the neo-left hate the Western way of life because it doesn’t offer them a life of no work and all play with free money. In a Western society it is expected one works for a living. Much of the neo-left hate that idea. Hence they latch onto any idea that will destroy the West. Relying on as much renewables as quickly as possible while demonising fossil fuel is one way to achieve their goal.

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      sophocles

      It’s the human condition as seen in the 17th century and again in the 20th-21st Century. Mankind, despite the amount of money spent on education, is still superstitious.

      If something like weather changes, then it’s some human’s fault.

      Back in the 17th century, a good proxy for the weather if the number of Witchcraft trials.
      - bad weather, more trials and murders
      - good weather, fewer trials and murders

      Today in the 21st Century:
      1970s: = cooler days, man burning fossil fuels blamed.
      1990s + = warmer days, man burning fossil fuels blamed.

      From which we have to conclude that mankind is still a stupid superstitious monkey.

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    NB

    ‘Much of the neo-left hate that idea [of work].’ They’d like to be an aristocracy, regaling us drones with their guardian-class wisdom, while we produce stuff for their benefit.

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    Tony

    38 degrees may be normal in country area. In Sydney 38 in April not normal. Only a few times then in a lot of years. This April not normal in Sydnry and many places.

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      beowulf

      The highest temperature recorded this April in Sydney was 35.4 deg C on Mon 9th. Where did you pluck the figure of 38 degrees from? Even if it was 38 deg who says it hasn’t happened before? You seem to be saying that you know it has happened a few times before, but somehow this April is different. Why is it different with the same temperature?

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      Tony, are you aware that Sydney’s warmest April by mean max was in 1922? Surprising, when you consider all that UHI near the bridge in recent decades.

      At Riverview Obs, another old record station nearby, 1925 was hottest, with 1922 in second place. If you cross check with Newcastle Nobbys etc, 1922 does seem to have had a very warm, even “record”, April in many parts. Not that it matters. High monthly readings may indicate more than high daily readings…but everything passes anyway.

      In my part of the world, NSW midcoast, April was hottest in 1914, and our highest daily reading was in 1986 (though dailies only start in 1964 here and we were a hot hole between 1910 and 1919). Not that it matters. I don’t want you worrying about cooling Aprils. This April has been pretty hot about the shop, with some very high daily readings. Which has given the Common Enemy of Mankind, the media, something to beat up, even using blood red maps of the continent. Did you buy into it?

      By the way, Yamba Pilot is a very old record, with daily readings available from 1910 on. Warmest April by mean max was in 1886. The warmest April day by mean max there was in 1926. But wait. This reading was taken on the 30th of the month! So almost into May. And it was hotter than any previous daily reading in that year or in the preceding summer or in the following summer. Never mind. It wasn’t very warm at all in Sydney that day…just as that famed Sydney scorcher of 2013 didn’t make it up the coast to where I live.

      The climate industry operates by a simple slogan: Stulti Numquam Verificant (Mugs Never Check).

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    pat

    Sydney is exceptional. they’ve already had winter:

    18 Apr: ABC: Retailers pray for rainy day, with warm weather hurting winter sales
    By business reporter Emily Stewart
    “When the introduction of the winter stock came into Myer in particular, within the first week they had 20 per cent off their woollen garments,” said Judy Wawszkowicz, the owner of Lola’s Boutique in western Sydney…
    “This is the worst winter I’ve experienced,” Ms Wawszkowicz said…
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-18/retailers-hope-for-rain-as-sales-dive/9671352

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      TdeF

      Ms Wawskzkowicz needs to get out of the shop more.

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      TdeF

      Extraordinary isn’t it. If it isn’t cold wet, raining and miserable, someone is upset. What has Global Warming done for us? We have to discount our winter stock. A dreadful calamity. Oh, the inhumanity.

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      Alan

      Oh FFS. We are only a month into Autumn. Tell Lola to turn the A/C in the shop up and the idiots will think it’s winter

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        TdeF

        They bring the winter stock into the store in summer and pray for a killing with an early winter. This is a commercial risk, weather forecasting left to optimistic retailers. Next they will be hoping for an early spring.

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      ‘“This is the worst winter I’ve experienced,” Ms Wawszkowicz said.’

      Ah yes, the devastating Australian winter of 2018. Who can forget it? It will certainly be seared on the memory of ABC business reporter Emily Stewart…for several weeks at least!

      Once again, I wish to thank the selfless souls at JN who scour the ABC for such items. They sacrifice their time that others may be spared.

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        she made a subjective comment about sale figures of winter related items in her store, her shorthand for this sales period is “winter”. Is she wrong? This looks to be as newsworthy as many weather related stories hot or cold wet or dry.

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          robert rosicka

          Sold winter clothes in a sports store for years and sold virtually none until the cold hit then we sold heaps so about now in the cooler parts of OZ people will be buying but not before when it was hot with an Indian summer .

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            So what. That is not her store or her experience

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              robert rosicka

              Ahh GA you show your ignorance yet again , stores that sell summer and winter clothing tend to display winter stock in winter and summer stock in summer , yes some people might want an item out of season but retailers will know when to display swimwear and when to display thermals .

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            For some it’s a news flash when seasonal factors hit business. For others it’s business like always. Just about every business, all the time.

            Beat-up, faux concern. And we all know it.

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          Coolest April here in a 107 yr record (no UHI) was just a few years back, in 2008. This April is certainly hot, though not as hot as that of 1914, a “record” yet to be “smashed”.

          It would be nice if the article was just about retailing. We all know it’s not. When a season comes late sales are affected, whether you’re selling swimming togs or cans of soup. Duh.

          Normally the ABC would go boo-hoo and start looking for a conservative eating a raw onion. But intrepid business reporter Emily Stewart has become a veritable Lois Lane for the problems of Lola’s Boutique. And we all know why.

          I repeat. We all know why.

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          el gordo

          ‘Is she wrong?’

          A late start to winter means the ladies won’t bother to buy until the early sales, its enough to send a small business to the wall.

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            If there’s a climate angle, the ABC sends out Lois Lane. If it’s just a small business failure they get Jimmy Olsen…when he’s not busy getting the lunches.

            Businesses come and go all the time. Business people who wrestle with red/green tape or seasonality or perishables or customer liquidity (or light rail construction!) inhabit a different universe to that of the ABC bubble-dwellers. Never the twain.

            Small businesses make good sympathy fodder for the ABC when there’s a climate or ethnic angle (like some favourite inner-west pizzeria where the owner just luuurves Labor because he employs family while the dopey skippies go by the industrial book).

            Not falling for these people any more. Turn them off.

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            thanks el G… hopefully store owners like that have a stash to get them through unusual sales periods.

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              el gordo

              A very small outlet can survive unseasonal weather, but eventually predatory pricing by larger organisations wipes them out, they erroneously call it a free market.

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    pat

    toorightmate comment #6 – ABC link. once more, ABC aids those who would like to see the GBR declared “endangered”:

    19 Apr: ABC: Coral on the Great Barrier Reef was ‘cooked’ during 2016 marine heatwave, study finds
    By science, technology and environment reporter Michael Slezak
    An underwater heatwave that bleached massive sections of the Great Barrier Reef in 2016 was so severe it immediately “cooked” some corals in the northern region, scientists say following the results of a major long-term study.

    “The mix of species in the future will be radically different from two years ago,” said Professor Terry Hughes from James Cook University (JCU), who led the research published in the journal Nature.
    “And that transition is already well underway.”
    The findings come as a scientific advisory body to the United Nations considers what parts of the natural world are on the verge of an environmental failure.
    The JCU researchers said their work showed climate change was threatening the Great Barrier Reef with ecological collapse…
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-19/marine-heatwave-so-bad-it-cooked-parts-of-great-barrier-reef/9667518

    ABC BIO: Michael Slezak: He has been the environment reporter for The Guardian in Australia, the Australian correspondent for New Scientist magazine, and he edited the anthology Best Australian Science Writing 2017. His investigations into bleaching on the Great Barrier Reef won him the United Nations Association of Australia Media Award for Climate Reporting in 2017, and he has won awards for his reporting on scientific breakthroughs in cancer research and underground drug development.

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    last nite on theirABC – the same “big” idea:

    AUDIO: 18 Apr: ABC Big Ideas: Oceans and climate change
    Our oceans act as a buffer against climate change but we’re reaching a tipping point for both marine and human life.
    Recorded 7 December 2016 Unsomnia Talks University of New South Wales
    Speaker
    Professor Matthew England oceanographer Climate Change Research Centre UNSW
    http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/bigideas/oceans-and-climate-change/9663504

    AUDIO: Apr: ABC Big Ideas: Plastic pollution
    Is plastic pollution a bigger threat than climate change? recorded 12 March 2018 Womadelaide.
    Speakers
    Vaughan Levitzke Green Industries South Australia.
    Vivian Sim marine scientist University of New South Wales
    Dr Anne Sharp marketing expert Univ

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    17 Apr: NPR All Things Considered: Christopher Joyce: As Climate Costs Grow, Some See A Moneymaking Opportunity
    Rich Sorkin is seeking them out. Sorkin is CEO of a new company called Jupiter. “Our approach is, look, we’re in the risk business,” he says. What Jupiter sells is risk assessment. How you can dodge the climate bullet? Sorkin’s pitch is blunt: “Hugely important, globally significant, gigantic economic problem, not currently being addressed.”

    Sorkin says Jupiter has raised about $10 million in a matter of months and hired top scientists away from the federal government. They vacuum up government data, much of it free. Then they advise paying customers on things like where to build warehouses out of harm’s way from bigger hurricanes or floods. Or they tell city governments how to strengthen sewer systems for heavier rainfall or sea level rise.
    Sorkin says people want help…

    FEMA Director Brock Long recently told a congressional committee the agency is swamped by the number of people affected by extreme weather. “We estimate that roughly 47 million people were impacted by these events,” he said, referring to the big hurricanes and fires last year. “That’s 15, 16 percent of the United States population.”…

    But the federal government does have huge amounts of data on climate change and weather, as well as thousands of scientists who work on the topic at places like the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and NASA…
    But for the most part, government researchers aren’t in the business of telling people how to prepare.
    Insurance companies are in that business and are increasingly drawing on climate experts to advise them…

    Jesse Bell, a research scientist at North Carolina State University’s Institute for Climate Studies, consults for the actuaries who gauge risk for insurance companies. He says one thing they worry a lot about is extreme heat. “Heat and heat waves actually kill more people than any other extreme event. So this is more than hurricanes, tornadoes, all these other events,” he says.

    Rebecca Owen, an actuary who advises insurers and health care providers about extreme weather, says hospitals have to plan for whom to look out for. “If those heat waves come and we have people with upper respiratory disease or heart disease,” she explains, “their condition may become more severe, so they have to go to the emergency room.” She notes that people receiving dialysis are also likely to suffer during heat waves…
    Climate change could also bring more droughts…Longer pollen seasons mean more allergy medicine. Heavier rainfall means more traffic accidents to pay for. These are outcomes insurers are trying to get a handle on.

    “It’s just a complex, swirling mess,” says Owen. When actuaries share a beer at the bar, she says, they tell the same story: “We worry. Will we have enough assets to cover the expected costs? And then we’ll argue about what the expected costs are, because we don’t know.” Ultimately, she says, “climate change is going to hurt the people among us who have the fewest resources and the least resiliency.”…

    “It’s a new era,” says Dale Hall, head of the climate team at the society. There have always been big storms, he says, “[but] the frequency and intensity of them is different.” That will eventually affect how insurance companies set premiums, and also what they pay to insure themselves against big losses.

    And Hall notes with exasperation that even when experts figure out what the “new normal” is for extreme weather, it will change again as the planet continues to warm.
    https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/04/17/603230754/as-climate-costs-grow-some-see-a-money-making-opportunity

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      OriginalSteve

      Ah hang on ….doesn’t cold kill more people?

      And if so, are these actuaries actually accurate?

      “He says one thing they worry a lot about is extreme heat. “Heat and heat waves actually kill more people than any other extreme event. So this is more than hurricanes, tornadoes, all these other events,” he says.”

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        OriginalSteve

        https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/05/150520193831.htm

        Time to get better advice?

        “Cold weather kills 20 times as many people as hot weather, according to an international study analyzing over 74 million deaths in 384 locations across 13 countries. The findings, published in The Lancet, also reveal that deaths due to moderately hot or cold weather substantially exceed those resulting from extreme heat waves or cold spells.

        “It’s often assumed that extreme weather causes the majority of deaths, with most previous research focusing on the effects of extreme heat waves,” says lead author Dr Antonio Gasparrini from the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine in the UK.

        “Our findings, from an analysis of the largest dataset of temperature-related deaths ever collected, show that the majority of these deaths actually happen on moderately hot and cold days, with most deaths caused by moderately cold temperatures.”

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    OriginalSteve

    Now the rocks are bleeding CO2….add that to the list….

    https://cen.acs.org/articles/96/web/2018/04/Microbes-help-release-CO2-eroding.html?utm_source=NonMember&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_campaign=CEN&elqTrackId=6c60c3f2902e43fea655a5d1dc1d1e0e&elq=82320d501e1b424daa170f36544555f1&elqaid=6948&elqat=1&elqCampaignId=2363

    “cks may seem chemically inert, but carbon and oxygen constantly move between the atmosphere and the land. A new study reveals insights into tiny players in this cycle. Microorganisms in Earth’s surface release carbon dioxide from eroding rocks to the atmosphere more quickly than researchers expected, according to the study.

    The work from Jordon Hemingway of Harvard University and colleagues adds much-needed details to our understanding of Earth’s carbon cycle. Scientists previously thought that eroding mountains served as carbon sinks, pulling CO2 from the atmosphere by forming carbonate minerals. The new findings suggest that the process is more complicated.

    Researchers have known that microbes play a part in cycling carbon over many millions of years. But the size of the organisms’ contribution has been unclear. To get a better picture of microbes’ role in the cycle, Hemingway and his team studied carbon release in the Central Mountain Range of Taiwan. These mountains erode quickly thanks to frequent typhoons and landslides that churn up bedrock.

    The team used a pyrolysis and oxidation technique to measure the amount of organic carbon in bedrock samples, in the soil above the bedrock, and in riverbeds.

    By analyzing the carbon isotopes in the different soil samples and the bedrock below the soil using mass spectrometry, Hemingway’s team estimated that at least 67% of the organic carbon held in the bedrock had been released—presumably by oxidation to CO2—after those rocks were exposed to air by erosion.”

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    OriginalSteve

    A guarantee alright – a guarantee of human civilisation being put in a strait jacket by CAGW/climate nonsense….

    “State Labor governments are expected to support the Turnbull government’s National Energy Guarantee at Friday’s Council of Australian Governments energy council meeting, but are keen to ensure a future Labor government can increase carbon emission reduction targets.

    In what is shaping as a major victory for federal Energy Minister Josh Frydenberg – who has been facing a rearguard action from his conservative backbench colleagues over the future of coal in the National Electricity Market – Victoria, Queensland and the ACT are expected to give in-principle agreement to the NEG and commit to further work to resolve concerns about the details of the plan, which will put an emissions target on the electricity sector.

    It comes as 14 business, industry and energy groups – including the Australian Industry Group, Business Council of Australia, Australian Energy Council, Clean Energy Council, National Farmers Federation and Australian Council of Social Services – urged politicians to back the mechanism to cut Australia’s carbon emissions.

    While federal Labor has pushed for stronger cuts in carbon emissions, state Labor energy ministers are expected to follow Opposition Leader Bill Shorten who has backed the NEG but kept open the possibility of changing it if Labor wins office at the next federal election due later this year or early next year.

    The frustration of industry over a decade of investment uncertainty over climate and energy policy is also expected to force state and territory governments to back the NEG, even if there is still serious misgivings over the implementation of the plan and how it will affect ambitious state renewable energy targets.”

    Read more: http://www.afr.com/news/politics/turnbull-governments-national-energy-guarantee-looks-set-to-win-support-of-states-20180418-h0ywwl#ixzz5D5HR8Ews

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      Robber

      I’m still waiting for Josh to tell us what his forecast of wholesale and retail electricity prices is for the next ten years. I’ve had enough of his glib statements that the NEG will shave $100 off bills. From what to what? By when? My pass mark for Josh is that by 2020 wholesale prices drop back to less than $60/MWhr, and there is no longer an $80/Mwhr extra payment given to “renewables”. Simple really.

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    TdeF

    This blind belief in Man Made Global Warming is shutting down genuine ecology and environmental schemes. Last year the only plastics recycler in South Australia had to close. Clearly their customer, largely the city councils, would not pay millions more for the electricity needed and 37 people lost their job. So all that sorting and multiple bin? All in the same landfill.

    Now in the Herald Sun this morning, Ipswich Queensland Council has made the same decision. They will not pay $2million more for recycling (no one likes to blame electricity prices), so all that carefully sorted and collected plastic goes in the landfill.

    Climate Change, an anti society movement killing planting of trees (Direct Action) and all recycling of plastic. All to reduce CO2, which has ignored us completely and has continued to grow steadily, as if it has nothing to do with us or temperature.

    Still, we are saving Greenland from melting by putting all our rubbish unsorted in landfill. Thanks to the UN.

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      Peter C

      At least if all our plastic goes into landfill, we know where it is if we have to dig it up later for reuse.

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        Another Ian

        I knew of one bloke who reckoned that urbanisation was just stopping erosion etc till the land was needed again for agriculture

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    VIDEO: 17 Apr: Vox: How a warmer Arctic could intensify extreme weather
    As the Arctic thaws, its atmosphere is changing and disrupting global weather.
    By Eli Kintisch and Mallory Brangan
    Eli Kintisch reports aboard the Norwegian research vessel Helmer Hanssen about how changing conditions at the top of the world could be impacting weather far away.
    To learn more, watch the video above.
    This video is part of a three-part series on the changing Arctic. Thanks to the Pulitzer Center for Crisis Reporting for supporting Thaw…
    https://www.vox.com/2018/4/17/17242782/warm-arctic-extreme-weather-thaw

    17 Apr: Scientific American: U.S. Environmental Group Wins Millions to Develop Methane-Monitoring Satellite
    The Environmental Defense Fund is working with researchers at Harvard University on the probe
    by Jeff Tollefson
    A US environmental group has been awarded tens of millions of dollars to develop a new satellite to help track—and ultimately, reduce—emissions of the greenhouse gas methane from oil and gas facilities around the world.

    The group’s efforts are being funded through the Audacious Project, a joint effort of the non-profit group TED and philanthropic organizations such as the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.
    The EDF, which is based in New York City, aims to launch the satellite as early as 2020. The environmental group and its scientific partners at Harvard University and the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics in Cambridge, Massachusetts, say that their planned ‘MethaneSAT’ will make the most precise measurements of methane yet from space. Their goal is to monitor emissions from roughly 50 major oil and gas fields that account for around 80% of the world’s oil and gas production.

    But the satellite could also be used to estimate emissions from landfills and agriculture.
    “We need good solid data so that we really can support global action on climate change, and we’ve got to do it fast,” says Steven Hamburg, the EDF’s chief scientist…

    The oil and gas industry emits around 76 million tonnes of methane each year globally, according to the International Energy Agency in Paris. That’s enough to power an estimated 285 million US homes. With more-detailed information at the level of individual fields, Hamburg says, the EDF can work with companies to identify and plug leaks. At the same time, governments will have more information to verify emissions and test policies…

    The EDF declined to provide a precise cost estimate for its satellite because the design remains in flux, but said that it is likely to be in the tens of millions of dollars. The group is seeking extra support from philanthropists to operate the satellite once it’s in orbit. All the data will be freely available…
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/u-s-environmental-group-wins-millions-to-develop-methane-monitoring-satellite1/

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    19 Apr: Reuters: Cold weather may cap U.S. corn acres, but what about yield?
    by Karen Braun
    Unless yields soar to never-before-seen highs, the United States this summer will certainly harvest the smallest corn crop in three years since the production volume may not be padded by a boost in plantings.
    When the government’s corn planting intentions came in at an unexpectedly low 88 million acres last month, some market participants figured the actual acreage could eventually be higher since it was still early and U.S. farmers “love to plant corn.”

    But neither the futures market nor the weather – in particular – are supporting that idea. Winter never loosened its grasp across the core U.S. Corn Belt, and 2018 is vying for the title of coldest Midwestern April on record since 1895…
    Soils remain largely too cold and the Upper Midwest is bracing for yet another winter storm on Wednesday…
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-corn-braun/cold-weather-may-cap-u-s-corn-acres-but-what-about-yield-braun-idUSKBN1HP2KQ

    18 Apr: Tribune-Review: Snow expected to hit Western Pennsylvania could be a last blast
    by Mary Ann Thomas
    Snow showers will blast the Pittsburgh region again on Thursday, extending what feels like an endless winter…
    After reaching a high in the mid-50s Wednesday, temperatures will plummet to the mid-30s at night. Thursday, rain will turn to snow and temperatures will move into the low 40s…

    A northwest flow of cold air from Canada and the Midwest has been the culprit behind chilly temperatures that have been four degrees below average for April so far, according to Axford.
    Since April 1, the region has been plagued by below normal temperatures, with 12 of the last 17 days being colder than average, he said…
    http://triblive.com/local/regional/13549988-74/snow-forecasted-thursday-last-blast-of-winter

    18 Apr: CBS Minnesota: Earth Day Clean Up In Minneapolis Postponed Due To Wintry Weather
    Minneapolis officials postponed Earth Day clean-up plans this weekend as a blanket of snow still rests on the city in the wake of the weekend’s record snowstorm.
    The Minneapolis Park and Recreation Board announced Wednesday that the Earth Day Clean Up event will be moved to May 12, a Saturday.
    The event was initially slated for this Saturday, but the weekend snowstorm dumped more than a foot of snow on the Twin Cities, setting an all-time April snowfall record…
    The average temperature for this time of year is in the upper 50s. However, every day this month has been below average…

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    18 Apr: Farm Forum: Cool and wet spring slowing down planting season 2018
    Spring is slow to come this year, as late season snowstorms continue to impact South Dakota.
    “Indeed, as of April 10, this is currently the coldest start to April on record for many locations in the state,” said Laura Edwards, SDSU Extension state climatologist.
    She explained that during the first third of the month, air temperatures were 12 to 20 degrees below average nearly everywhere statewide.

    It will come as no surprise that soil temperatures are struggling this season.
    Although most of Central and Southern areas are thawed out through the profile, Northern and Eastern areas still have some frost in the soil profile. According to the South Dakota Mesonet (mesonet.sdstate.edu), as of April 10, frost depth was still 2 to 4-feet deep in the Northeast.
    “As we are entering into the early season for corn planting, per the crop insurance rules, we have a little way to go before the soils are ready for corn seeds,” Edwards said…

    When considering planting conditions, ideal soil temperatures for corn are above 50 degrees Fahrenheit. Currently, the South Dakota Mesonet is measuring 30 to 48 degrees Fahrenheit at 4-inch depth. This is about 12 degrees cooler than last year at this time for most locations.
    For spring wheat germination, ideal soil temperature is around 40 degrees Fahrenheit, so even that crop is slow to get planted this year in many areas…

    A lot of gardeners are asking when the last frost will occur.
    “The climate outlook through April 24, continues to show a cool and wet pattern across the state,” Edwards said…

    According to the National Oceanic Atmospheric Administration Climate Outlook, April 2018 will be slow to warm and looks to continue the current cool and wet pattern.
    The weather has proven to be most challenging for South Dakota’s livestock producers who are in the midst of calving and lambing. Wildlife have also suffered.

    “In the long run, the additional moisture will be beneficial for improving drought conditions in pastures and grazing areas, and providing early season soil moisture in cropping areas,” Edwards said.
    She added, “Spring-like weather will come, as it always does, and we will embrace the warm weather.”
    https://www.farmforum.net/2018/04/18/cool-and-wet-spring-slowing-down-planting-season-2018/

    18 Apr: EverythingGrandPrairie Alberta Canada: Nitehawk to open in late April for the first time ever
    By Brady Ratzlaff
    Snowboarders and skiers alike can rejoice as Nitehawk has announced it will be open this weekend.
    Assistant General Manager Jonathan Clarkson said the ski hill will operate for five months for the first time ever, thanks to the latest blast of snow.

    “The snow is in just as good of shape as it was in January as it is right now at the end of April, which is just unheard of. Seeing that we have all that snow, it would be a waste if we were to close and not let the community enjoy it.”
    http://everythinggp.com/article/523237/nitehawk-open-late-april-first-time-ever

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    18 Apr: ParkRapidsEnterprise: Long winter is taking a toll
    By Lorie Skarpness
    By the middle of a typical April, dandelions are showing their yellow faces, most of the snow has melted.
    But this is not a typical April.
    While the ice was off Fishhook Lake by April 7 last year, this year it’s anyone’s guess.
    “In general, this winter has been significantly colder than the past two winters,” said Brittany Peterson of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. “The last winter that was this cold or colder was the winter of 2013-2014.”

    Peterson said Monday that one good indicator of how cold it has been so far in Park Rapids in 2018 is the number of days above 50 degrees so far, which is zero.
    “In 2017, Park Rapids had seen 22 days above 50 degrees by April 15, and two days above 70 degrees as well,” she said. “The last day Park Rapids saw 50 degrees was November 27, 2017.”

    Many high school teams are holding practices indoors and spring sporting events are being postponed or canceled due to snow-covered fields, tracks and golf courses.
    The cold spring is also costing residents and businesses money as heating bills remain high. Seasonal businesses like resorts and those putting in docks will have a shorter season…

    Mahube sees increase in crisis requests
    The longer winter has meant higher energy costs. Janice Renner, energy assistance coordinator for Mahube-Otwa, said it’s not too late for people to apply for help.
    She said their service area saw a nine percent increase in applications this year. Last year, the average primary heating grant was $700, and this year it was $724.
    Renner explained that due to the price of propane being higher this year and the extended winter, more people have run out of funding. Crisis funds may be applied for once the primary heat grant has been used up…
    “Last year, crisis households served as of April 16 were 1,483 and this year it is 2,100,” she said…

    Another benefit that Renner said many people are not aware of is assistance with furnace replacement and repairs for those who qualify. “You have to be a homeowner with documentation to verify home ownership,” she said. Last year at this time, they had helped 301 households at a cost of $152,000 and this year that number has risen to 353 households helped at a cost of $218,000.
    The cold weather rule (Oct 1-April 15) has been lifted, so agency staff are no longer on call evenings and weekends…

    Fish, spawning and migration impacted
    Doug Kingsley, area fisheries supervisor with the Department of Natural Resources in Park Rapids, said this long winter has impacted fish survival and spawning.
    “We monitor oxygen on some of the lakes that have a history of winter fish kills and some are looking pretty rough, especially in the northern part of the county and in small, shallow lakes,” he said. “It’s mostly due to how long they’ve been covered with ice and snow.”
    He said spawning is about two weeks behind schedule.
    “The way things are going, we may be pretty busy with taking eggs and in the hatchery in the middle of May,” he said.

    While a few migrating birds are returning to the area, Kingsley said migration has been delayed for birds that need open water.
    “I think we’ve picked up a few more geese, and we’re starting to see some ducks but it’s not like normal for this time of year,” he said…

    According to Brad Hopkins, meteorologist at the National Weather Service in Grand Forks, North Dakota, it’s not just our imagination that it has been a long winter.
    “It had been 140-plus days since it had been 50 degrees, but more normal temperatures are forecast for the second half of May and into June,” he said…
    “Everybody’s getting ‘spring fever’ and it’s kind of frustrating because people want to get outdoors and tend to their gardens and stuff like that.”…

    “Indications are that after that we’ll see another system come across and drive the temperatures down again,” he said. “Looking at the new experimental three- to four-week outlook, it’s still showing a general trend of staying below average, but we should start to see things make a switch deeper into May.”
    He said models forecast 10 days out with “reasonable accuracy.”…
    https://www.parkrapidsenterprise.com/news/4433233-long-winter-taking-toll

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    OriginalSteve

    Funny…..its all save the planet until it costs too much….

    http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-19/queensland-council-recycling-dump-to-start-nationwide-reaction/9673370
    Other councils will soon follow Ipswich in scrapping their waste recycling programs as service costs skyrocket, the Local Government Association of Queensland (LGAQ) says.

    Ipswich City Council yesterday said China’s import ban on recycling and the rising level of contaminated or non-recyclable rubbish in yellow bins meant it had become too costly for the city to recycle, so from now everything placed in yellow bins would go straight to landfill.

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      PeterS

      That is true. The problem with renewables though is by the time they figure out it’s costing too much the damage is such it will cost another huge amount of money to fix things and get back to building new coal fired power stations. In other words, we are stuffed financially, thanks to the left in both major parties. Not to worry; China will probably come to the rescue.

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      toorightmate

      Yep, recycling is uneconomic.
      However, being nice and Green, we must keep it going.
      So we’ll all be hit by levies, taxes, subsidies – call them what you will.
      This might seem ludicrous to some people.
      However, it is nowhere near as ludicrous as the subsidies we are now paying for solar and wind power.
      Recycling is uneconomic. Renewable energy is catastrophically uneconomic.

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    TedM

    Just an aside O/T but I just noticed that Nationally wind is currently producing a massive 228MW. Wonderful that we have coal and gas that we can rely on.

    Please cut the interconnectors, prove a point!!!!!!

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    This was at 01540 hrs WST.

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    Ve2

    Any fool who has heard about Glacier Girl, the P38 was found 82 metres beneath the ice which had accumulated over it in only 50 years knows the Greenland Ice cap is not melting. I believe the remainsing planes that were forced down with it in 1942 are now under 103 metres of ice.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glacier_Girl

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      Carbon500

      Ve2: there’s also this, from Roy Spencer in his about Al Gore’s view of the world:
      “Receding glaciers in western Canada and Alaska are revealing ancient tree stumps of approximate 1,000-year age, so clearly there are natural cycles in glaciers receding and advancing, with past warm periods lasting long enough for forests to be established before the glaciers’ advance again. The accompanying figure shows some of these stumps as the Mendenhall Glacier in Alaska recedes. This is indisputable evidence that glaciers have receded in the distant past. The stumps at Mendenhall Glacier have been dated from 1,200 to over 2,000 years old, consistent with the previous graph I presented that showed the Medieval Warm Period of about 1,000 years ago, and the Roman Warm Period around 2,000 years ago. (These natural climate fluctuations cannot be due to variations in the orbit of the Earth around the sun because those occur on much longer time scales.) Thus, for Gore to claim that the latest changes in ice sheets and glaciers are human caused is speculative, at best. Since the climate system varies naturally anyway, how are we to know with any level of certainty how much of recent warmth is due to our greenhouse gas emissions? Yet, a central tactic in all of Gore’s movies, books, and presentations is that it all is. So, once again, we see how Mr. Gore uses events that are likely mostly or entirely natural, and then blames them on human activities.”

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    Ve2

    Any fool who has heard about Glacier Girl, the P38 was found 82 metres beneath the ice which had accumulated over it in only 50 years knows the Greenland Ice cap is not melting. I believe the remainsing planes that were forced down with it in 1942 are now under 103 metres of ice.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glacier_Girl

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    robert rosicka

    Just listening to Susan Ley banging on about how she wants a live export ban on live sheep to the Middle East .
    What happened on that ship that sparked all this is inexcusable but it is possible to export sheep with minimal to no losses caused by heat stress just by commensense and a good air mist system.
    Susan Ley is saying that because of a few past bad trips the whole thing should be shut down and even goes on to mention how no monetary penalties were handed out .
    Is this the same politician that was caught frording the system and lost her position as a minister ? Can we apply her standards for sheep to politicians who frord the system to line their pockets and give them heavy fines and jail time when caught out with their snouts in the trough ?

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      Carbon500

      Robert Rosicka: Why it should be necessary for live sheep should be transported from Australiato the Middle East is beyond me to comprehend. Commercial interests I imagine are the reason. What happens to them at the end of their assuredly gruelling journey?
      Ultimately non-stun slaughter. Halal (and schechita) are methods of slaughter allowed on religious grounds. A website description of shechita describes what happens:
      “Shechita is performed by a highly trained shochet. The procedure consists of a rapid and expert transverse incision with an instrument of surgical sharpness (a chalaf), which severs the major structures and vessels at the neck. This causes an instant drop in blood pressure in the brain and immediately results in the irreversible cessation of consciousness. Thus, shechita renders the animal insensible to pain, dispatches and exsanguinates in a swift action, and fulfils all the requirements of humaneness and compassion.”
      A scientific examination of the process clearly demonstrates that this is not the case, as research at the University of Bristol (England) found in 1992. In addition to the carotid arteries, extra ones run through the neck bones to supply blood to the brain. These are not cut during religious slaughter. Blood flow increases over four-fold in these arteries during religious slaughter, and brain activity can persist in a calf for over one and a half minutes after its throat has been cut.
      In the words of a vet: “The only humane method of slaughtering an animal is to render it unconscious by electrical or mechanical stunning, followed by immediate bleeding out. Inflicting a fatal wound on a conscious animal that may choke on its own blood for half a minute is cruel.” It has also been shown that most sheep can take almost half a minute to lose brain responsiveness.
      I once had a conversation with a slaughterman who’d been accidentally stunned by the electrical equipment at the abbatoir where he worked. He described how ‘everything turned blue’, and how he’d been revived in a nearby room. Clearly electrical stunning works.
      Permitting unnecessary suffering on religious grounds, however well intentioned, should not be permitted by law when scientific evidence has clearly demonstrated that the facts are quite different to ingrained beliefs. Halal and shechita do not belong in the 21st century. These methods may well have been the quickest in days of long ago, but knowledge has moved on. There are more humane methods available.

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        robert rosicka

        Live sheep are exported for a variety of reasons but most importantly there is a need in the market hence the industry exists .
        Susan Ley gave many reasons to ban the exports but the argument that Saudi Arabia subsidies come from oil money and had something to do with carbon emissions had me agreeing with Lyonhelm that she has turned green .
        As for the industry itself and if it’s right or wrong , if done properly and humanely I can’t see any reason why it can’t continue, these countries will get the animals somewhere so let’s make them get animals that have been transported with oversight and protections in place .

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        robert rosicka

        And while I don’t condone animal cruelty in any form nature itself is by far more brutal .

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        Lewis p Buckingham

        C5 and RR raise the very points that have been concerning me for at least two years.
        However the last ‘incident’, about 18 months ago,
        demonstrated it was time to phase out this industry.
        To me the RR argument was good, why not have more vets and staff, a fully equipped vet hospital with pathology and drugs on hand, back to base monitoring, airconditioning, low stocking rates and so on?

        Accidentally, back then, some office staff let go video of sheep suffering when pumps failed and sheep were standing in their own faeces. Looking harder and making my inquiries I found that it was not economic to solve this.
        The recent video, a selection from five trips, shows the stocking rate is unendurable for the sheep, even in air conditioning.
        For those scientists reading this, evaporative air conditioning does not work in high humidity sheep pens.

        Skeptical, until the recent revelation, it demonstrated that there is no mechanism to compel,be it ethical, moral or financial,the resolution of recurrent, random, cruelty to these sheep.
        Why, because if there were, the problem would already be solved, the regulators would have pounced, the maintenance and funding for vet and physical conditions fixed.
        I blogged in another place.
        For what it is worth here it is.

        Its hard to see this industry continuing in its present form.

        The videos showed sheep so crowded that they could not lie down and chew their cud.

        They were panting and trapped away from water, visibly heat stressed.

        The floor was awash with liquid manure,one gasping sheep was prostrate on an iron railing,

        blocking its airway.

        The pelletised food looked fresh, but the sheep had to force others away to reach it.

        Food was exposed to the heat and steamy conditions, any breakdown in cleaning those open troughs would lead to

        mouldy food and aflatoxicosis.

        The sheep could get mouldy grain poisoning.

        There was no obvious hay to encourage them to chew cud.

        The situation was so bad that personnel could not enter the massed stall.

        It was like the plague,the scene in London streets,

        ‘bring out your dead’.

        The system is broken

        Clearly its on a budget, where animal welfare is disposable, as are many of the sheep.

        Its time to do an industry restructure, as happened to North Coast of NSW dairying.

        This was in gentler times, when the only criterion was economic.

        Now it is utter disgrace.

        The purpose is to phase sheep live export out and open export abattoirs to other overseas markets for chilled meat.

        This might even expand the home market.

        The taxpayer need not pay, the industry, particularly the exporters, should pay for this decision.

        After all, its their neglect and long term cover up that has forced the public’s hand.

        If this does not happen, we need the equivalent of a banking Royal Commission, to sort out the problem.

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    pat

    17 Apr: WaPo: Why do we need new rules on shipping emissions? Well, 90 percent of global trade depends on ships.
    by Jessica F. Green
    (Jessica F. Green (@greenprofgreen) is assistant professor of environmental studies at New York University. She is the author of “Rethinking Private Authority,” published by Princeton University Press)
    Shipping is the lifeblood of the global economy
    Ships transport about 90 percent of world trade and generate about 3 percent of total global greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions per year — a figure set to increase quickly…

    In the absence of regulations, the IMO estimates that, at a minimum, shipping emissions will increase 50 percent by 2050, but that increase could be as high at 250 percent. The European Union estimates that without intervention, shipping will account for one-fifth of global emissions by 2050…

    The dirty secret about ships
    Ships are very fuel-efficient in terms of transporting cargo, but the heavy fuel oil (HFO) used by 80 percent of the world’s shipping fleet is nasty stuff. It’s more carbon-intensive than other fuels and produces other greenhouse gases as well as air pollutants such as sulfur dioxide, which causes acid rain…
    ***The Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development estimates that new technologies, alternative fuels and renewable energy could almost fully decarbonize the shipping industry by 2035. That would eliminate the equivalent of the annual emissions of 185 coal plants…

    The decision last week creates an emissions cap that many countries had hoped would be more stringent…
    Nations such as Brazil and Panama — with one of the largest shipping registries in the world — resisted, concerned about detrimental effects on trade. The United States and China, both major emitters and among the top 10 ship-owning nations, were similarly unenthusiastic…

    The United States objected to absolute targets (as opposed to carbon-intensity goals) and the division of responsibility between developed and developing nations. Neither the United States nor China signed on to a voluntary declaration in which states affirmed their commitment to a shipping agreement that is consistent with the Paris agreement…

    In the end, 50 percent was the compromise target. The agreement is an “Initial Strategy,” which means states must now devise measures to meet the cap, to be finalized by 2023…
    The new rules also set targets for efficiency improvements, both in the design of ships and through a carbon-intensity target — which reduces the emissions per ton of cargo by least 40 percent by 2030 and by 70 percent by 2050…
    Though it will not achieve the Paris target, the IMO decision is a first step, as policies to date have failed to tackle the fundamental problem of decarbonizing…

    In 2016, the aviation industry agreed to tepid rules to reduce emissions…
    The difference between the two sectors is feasibility of reductions. Although aviation rules could have been more ambitious, there is currently no “clean” way to power planes…
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2018/04/17/why-do-we-need-new-rules-on-shipping-emissions-well-90-of-global-trade-depends-on-ships/?utm_term=.42684bcdc552

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    pat

    no mention of US & China not signing on to a “voluntary declaration in which states affirmed their commitment to a shipping agreement that is consistent with the Paris agreement” in the text; maybe there is in the video:

    VIDEO: 17 Apr: CarbonBrief: All you need to know about the shipping sector’s new climate deal
    The headline target, agreed at an International Maritime Organization (IMO) meeting in London, is to peak and then reduce greenhouse gas emissions “at least 50%” by 2050, compared to 2008 levels…

    Most significant is the fact that the new climate deal includes an absolute emissions reduction target for shipping. It also calls for emissions to be phased out completely, though without any timeline…

    Most significant is the fact that the new climate deal includes an absolute emissions reduction target for shipping. It also calls for emissions to be phased out completely, though without any timeline…

    ***However, several countries, including Brazil, the US and Saudi Arabia, “reserved their positions” on endorsing this part of the deal, arguing it is still too early to set an emissions reduction goal for the shipping sector. Their reservations will be included as an annex to the deal…

    Another important point of contention was the inclusion in the strategy of the principle of “common but differentiated responsibilities” (CBDR). This is a central principle enshrined in the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC), which says that developed and developing nations have different levels of responsibility in some aspects of the effort to fight climate change.
    Inclusion of this in the deal was seen by some to be at odds with the IMO’s principle of “no more favourable treatment’, which says every ship from every nation should be treated the same.
    In the end, both guiding principles were included in the climate strategy. However, it remains to be seen how they will be reconciled.

    The US delegation – which opposed the resolution, but did not stop it going through – refused to endorse the inclusion of the principle of CBDR in the agreement, along with several other elements of the strategy…

    While an overall target was agreed last week at the IMO, many details remain to be negotiated. Therefore, the IMO agreed for an additional intersessional working group session to take place before its next environmental committee meeting in six months time…
    https://www.carbonbrief.org/video-all-you-need-to-know-about-the-shipping-sectors-new-climate-deal

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    pat

    18 Apr: Chicago Tribune: More spring snow in Chicago, and forecasters call April’s start among coldest in 130 years
    By Elyssa Cherney
    Chicago area residents may wake up to snow on the ground Thursday, the latest reminder that winter weather’s grip is delaying so many spring rites of passage, from Major League Baseball games to bridge-lifting season on the Chicago River downtown – the parade of boats heading for slips offering the surest sign of warm weather ahead.
    And if those early morning walks to the bus or train stop weren’t convincing enough, forecasters say this is the second-coldest start to April across Chicago in 130 years…

    Predictions of more cold and snow Wednesday prompted the Cubs to postpone a home game against St. Louis until 1:20 p.m. Thursday. That was the 25th postponement in the first three weeks of the major league season, The Associated Press reported…
    Also Wednesday, the city of Chicago canceled what was meant to be the season’s first set of bridge lifts — allowing boat traffic to make its way down the Chicago River to area slips — because of the weather and a lack of participants, officials said…

    Although average high temperatures are above freezing, the mercury has frequently dipped below 32 degrees this month. When that happens, the city opens its six warming centers. Five of them are open from 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. on those days; a sixth center, at 10 S. Kedzie Ave., is open around the clock.
    “Our policy doesn’t go by a date, it goes by the weather…”

    The first half of April marks the second-coldest start to the month since 1881, about when the weather service started keeping records, said Mott of the weather service.

    ***The average temperature for April is 46.6 degrees, but this month is registering more than 10 degrees lower — at 36.2 degrees, the weather service said.
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/weather/ct-met-april-weather-could-set-records-chicago-20180418-story.html

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      Lionell Griffith

      Yes, there was a shallow covering of snow on the ground this morning. However, a clear sky and bright sunshine soon put an end to that. The high just west of Chicago today was over 50F. The prediction is similar weather until next week.

      Only the hardiest of bulb based plants are sprouting. Everything else is as dormant as if it were the middle of January.

      This year, spring was a calendar event and not a weather one. Will spring arrive before summer this year? I hope so.

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    The fact that proper scientific information was already available in 2007, showing that there is no danger of ice sheets collapsing, indicates the devious nature of mainstream media and so-called scientists feeding their computer generated scare stories to them. Reality does not form part of the climate alarmist cabal. For the real story, here is a proper explanation of the ice sheet situation:
    http://tech-know-group.com/essays/Greenland_and_Antarctic_in_danger_of_collapse.pdf
    Get the facts, make the right decision.

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    Another Ian

    “Climate change means Greenland is the same temperature now as 1880″

    Hopefully the Republicans pick this up

    “Study: Republicans more persuasive than scientists on ‘climate change’ ”

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/04/19/study-republicans-more-persuasive-than-scientists-on-climate-change/

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    RAH

    The Greenland ice sheet is 2nd in size and volume only to that of Antarctica. If there was significant melting there would be a corresponding spike in the rate of SLR. That spike would be quite evident because it would be a steady increase in rate. So bottom line is that all the claims of a increasing rate in melt and loss of mass of the Greenland ice sheet are falsified by the lack in the spike of the SLR. All the words from all the most esteemed sources in the world claiming melting or loss of ice mass cannot change that fact.

    As for Glacier Girl. A short essay I wrote years ago on the subject explaining why those aircraft were there:

    “https://www.warhistoryonline.com/military-vehicle-news/15-p-38-glacier-girl-pictures.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook&src=fba&type=wca&page=who
    The reason those aircraft were there was because of the Battle of the Atlantic. For the US to become engaged it had to get it’s fighting forces and their equipment to where the action was. With the German U-boats sinking so many allied ships during 1942 and early 1943 shipping, especially across the N Atlantic, was a big problem. The allies would not truly gain the upper hand in the Battle of the Atlantic until May of 1943.
    In April 1942 the US Army Air Force (AAF) began it’s initial deployments to England which was the beginning of what would be come the Eighth, Ninth, and Twelfth Air Forces. The heavy bombers, at this point all B-17s, could fly over on their own but what about fighter aircraft? At the time the Lockheed P-38F and G models were the only combat worthy US fighter aircraft ready for deployment that had the range to make it to where fighter aircraft were needed.
    They would be staged across starting from Goose Bay, Labrador with stops in Greenland and Iceland before landing in Scotland. Of course this had to be done over vast stretches of deadly cold water across a region of the world with some of the worst and least predictable weather on the globe during a time when the tools for weather forecasting and navigational aids were nothing like what we have today. Add to that the Germans broadcasting false navigation beacon signals.
    Because of the navigation involved and the need for long range CW communications a B-17 was assigned to be the mother ship for each flight of six P-38 fighters.
    This was a wise decision though the fact that out of the first flight of B-17s attempting the flight across the N. Atlantic three were lost (crews recovered) gave reason for some worry.
    The situation was so desperate that the AAF determined that a loss of 10% of the aircraft and pilots in transit would be an acceptable loss.
    In the end a total of 179 P-38s made it across the N. Atlantic in 1942 out of 186 that attempted and only one pilot was lost. The N. Atlantic route was considered closed during the winter months but it was a quite impressive performance for the time.
    By the summer of 1943 the Battle of the Atlantic was well on the way to being won and the miracle of production from US yards was beginning to show up. It was much cheaper to ship the aircraft and a scheme for carrying them on the decks of oil tankers worked so well that the numbers being shipped were more than adequate so there was no reason to ferry the P-38s over the great white north again.
    However if things had not gone well and the allies had not gained control of the shipping lanes the Army already had a contingency plan to ferry 4,000 aircraft across the Atlantic in 1943.”

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    el gordo

    The Troof is Out There

    “There is no doubt that the heat from the Earth’s interior affects the movement of the ice, and we expect that a similar heat seepage takes place below a major part of the ice cap in the north-eastern corner of Greenland,” says Soren Rysgaard.

    EurekAlert

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    TdeF

    Isn’t Wikipedia wonderful for faux facts

    Climate models project that local warming in Greenland will be 3 °C to 9 °C during this century.

    So nearly 20 years in and the temperature rise is 0C. Projecting that another 80 years and we will see a rise of 0C.

    Never in the history of science has mankind used computer models for the future based on our complete understanding of what drives our weather. Never in the history of science have computer models used to extract trillions from the public to enrich others. When did computers become smarter than people? Douglas Adam’s Deep Thought springs to mind, but that was a joke.

    In Catholicism, there is the concept of Papal Infallibility. In the world of Carbon indulgences, Climate infallibility has been invented. So far it is completely wrong in predicting a single parameter, the absurd Global temperature. They certainly can’t get the temperature of Greenland right. Still they believe.

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    TdeF

    You also love how an uninhabitable land mass like Greenland has wonderful temperature records back to 1850, but Advanced and populated Australia does not.

    Obviously the hundreds of BOM and CSIRO Climate Scientists have not had the time to examine the substantial State records prior to 1909 and present us, their employers with our full climate history. Surely this would have been the first thing to do when trying to establish that the climate had changed.

    Of course they might find the same thing as Greenland, which would be the really inconvenient truth. So maybe they have.

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      TdeF

      *Current population of Greenland, 56,000. Population in 1850, around 10,000.
      Population of Australia in 1850, 400,000. 1,000,000 by 1860. Obviously kept lousy records.

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      TdeF

      I would like to apologise to the BOM and CSIRO in advance if they have published good temperature records for Australia back to 1850. Unhomogenized.

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        OriginalSteve

        Well they have certainly milked the temp record…..( best I can do for humour this early on a Friday…)

        I do like the BOM pirates analogy – raiding the Rutherglen temp record for warming booty…..

        I am imagining the Jolly Roger flying over BOM HQ…..

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      RickWill

      This is one record that I know goes back to the 1890s. The station closed a few years ago:
      http://www.bom.gov.au/jsp/ncc/cdio/weatherData/av?p_display_type=dataGraph&p_stn_num=047007&p_nccObsCode=36&p_month=13

      This is another that goes back even further:
      http://www.bom.gov.au/jsp/ncc/cdio/weatherData/av?p_display_type=dataGraph&p_stn_num=066062&p_nccObsCode=36&p_month=13

      Comparing them gives a good indication of urban heating.

      This one is about 1200km from BH but shows the same trend:
      http://www.bom.gov.au/jsp/ncc/cdio/weatherData/av?p_display_type=dataGraph&p_stn_num=085096&p_nccObsCode=36&p_month=13
      It would not suffer from urban heat either.

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        TdeF

        Great. Love the Wilson’s point recording. As the lowest point in mainland Australia at 39South, it clearly did not suffer the very high temperatures of the Federation drought. In fact it shows no warming much over the last 160 years. Where is the hockey stick?

        Note here that jutting miles into Bass straight and so the unobstructed roaring forties, it is a much better measure of ocean temperature not only away from the Urban effect but also any land effect. Most of the Southern 1/3 of the planet is water or Antarctica, which is water.

        At the same latitudes in the Northern Hemisphere you have 60% of the world’s population.

        The planet is 75% water so Wilson’s Promontory is like a boat on station for a century and a half at a temperate latitude.
        So no change for 1/3 of the planet and unless you believe the Northern Hemisphere’s CO2 is different, no change for the rest.

        Homogenize that into a hockey stick if you dare.

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          TdeF

          And the lighthouse keeper would have kept meticulous records, not only because that was his job but there would have been very little to do in such an isolated spot.

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        TdeF

        Will, the last two links are identical.

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        TdeF

        You can see the Federation drought in the Broken Hill one. (1000km away, but that’s Australia)

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        TdeF

        Also I note these are from the BOM. My advance apology was needed. Fine data. What I now cannot understand is how anyone can infer Global Warming from these data. Surely anyone looking at these graphs would think nothing much had changed. Unless you deliberatedly start in 1909.

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        TdeF

        Love the urban heating graph. It could be used as a casebook study in urban heating, when I suspect it and others like it are used to justify Global Warming.

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          RickWill

          One of the issues with homogenised data is that those with urban heat or local heat effects are used in the homogenisation; often airports.

          There are quite a few lighthouses with long records around the coast. Those locations, as well as inland locations that have not changed much over the years, do not show any trend on average but individual stations show trends.

          I have kept records of the raw data as I had some thought that the BoM would not keep them available but they generally do. Sometimes not easy to find as they are closed stations. The default BoM search is for open stations so you need to untick the open station search criteria to get all stations. Some of the closed stations have long records.

          However, when it comes to press releases it is the homogenised data that gets rolled out. It certainly appears that if you are asking the population to make significant contributions to saving the planet (and energy company coffers) you must continually reinforce the dire state of the climate. The vast majority of the population believe there is a problem other than being robbed.

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    19 Apr: DetroitNews: Sarah Rahal: April on track to be the coldest in 143 years
    A year ago today, on April 19, 2017, it was 78 degrees and sunny, while Thursday’s expected high is 48 degrees, said National Weather Service meteorologist Trent Frey.
    As of Thursday, the average temperature for April is 38.3 degrees, slightly warmer than April 1874, the coldest on record at 37.6 degrees.
    “The average high (in April) for Detroit last year was 60 degrees, believe it or not,” Frey said. “If April ended tomorrow, it would be the second-coldest on record.”
    He said if the weather stays consistent, April will be on track to be the coldest since 1874, but it looks like it should warm up this weekend…

    The weather has also affected some local businesses that usually thrive in April, like Detroit Hives, an organization that transforms vacant Detroit lots into urban bee farms.
    “This weather has been detrimental to our pollinators and has caused one of our hives to die because of the frigid temperatures,” said Tim Taule, director and co-founder of Detroit Hives.
    Taule said they usually wait until the third week of April to start their season but the bees are still holding on from winter. They are planting more hives and have plans to replace the one that did decay in the extended winter…
    https://www.detroitnews.com/story/weather/2018/04/19/april-track-coldest-143-years/532994002/

    VIDEO: 1min46secs: 17 Apr: WeAreGreenBay: John Domol: Walls of snow and disappearing lanes remain a nuisance for drivers
    GREEN BAY, Wis. – Cleaning up after the weather is a tall, sometimes slushy order. And when we are out on the road, we are only as safe as we want to be.
    Snow banks and tight-fitting lanes are two of the more noteworthy concerns drivers are facing.
    Keeping your head on a swivel won’t hurt you…
    Sometimes the snow can spill over onto the road, causing some shoulder lanes to run out of room fast…
    This past weekend, the Brown County Sheriff’s Office helped more than 300 drivers who found themselves stuck in the snow.
    http://www.wearegreenbay.com/news/local-news/walls-of-snow-and-disappearing-lanes-remain-a-nuisance-for-drivers/1127861270

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    pat

    comment in moderation re: 19 Apr: DetroitNews: Sarah Rahal: April on track to be the coldest in 143 years

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    TedM

    “What socialism created — socialism can partly solve”

    If it gets enough of our money.

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    RE P44:

    I am not sure how this can be prosecuted, but he needs to be tried, convicted, and shot as a seditious traitor.

    With GITMO military tribunal such would be easy. OTOH Costumed ‘la Guillotine’ theater would be more entertaining! :-) Perhaps some reward for poor surf that catches ‘head’ and mounts such to pike! How better to avoid another un\civil WAR!

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      Sometimes understanding comes from dronk, stoned, on back, upward looking under dining room table. What are those craftsman marks for? Seem only to make table fit to appear pearfict from above!
      All the best!-will-

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    Adrian King

    Climate change is the new communist party. The creation myth of the International(ist) Panel on Climate Change reads a bit like the plot of Scoobie Doo. A group of wholesome youngsters head off in search of adventure with only their deep seated sense of justice to guide them on their way. Scoobie Doo eats some bad dog biscuits and transforms into a sky high mechanical squid with tentacles reaching all over the planet. The whole world starts worshipping the squid as the new messiah. Seems like we have seen this movie before….

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    Ava

    There has always been scope for charlatans to play fast and loose with the weather but who’d have thought it would have survived till this day.

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    Lynne Merigan

    Most politicians do not know anythng about previous warmings. I had to explain to Josh Frydenberg the story of Greenland discovery and how for nearly 600 years the Vikings raised cattle , built the first cathedral outside of Europe ,paid taxes to the pope . The latest enticement sent to me about holidaying there said summertime top temperature was 9 degrees . Glass houses would be the only way to grow things there these days.
    Josh could not answer the next question no coal, no fossil fuels, small world population so what caused medieval warming? However I have had an alarmist scientist tell me that was the Gulf Stream. As there was warming , so science has discovered below the equator also , a fact he did not know so told him where to see the research., what was his explanation.
    See that S spots lowest in 200 years.better buy some woollies.

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      Harry Twinotter

      “Most politicians do not know anythng about previous warmings”

      Name dropping? My guess is Mr Frydenberg is more interested in science published in the peer-reviewed literature, than anecdotes and climate change denier talking point.

      You are wrong about the sunspots, too.

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