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      Graeme No.3

      Andy:

      They will just have to install diesel generators, a few million might do.
      It seems to me that renewables are becoming less and less popular in Germany. Should Merkel fail to form a coalition then there will be a new election and the results aren’t likely to be favourable to the usual parties. That their chemical industry should be talking of moving elsewhere will be a blow to German self confidence (in fact the industry has been moving away for years as new factories are built everywhere else).
      Then an experience without electricity in one of the coldest winters recently will be fresh in the minds of voters. And with the MSM now starting to realise that the Engiewende is a source of disaster stories, the publicity for all things green isn’t going to be as relentless and monumental as before.
      Indeed renewables are attracting more and more unfavourable publicity and politicians, except in Australia, are starting to think that perhaps their future prospects would be better without pushing for higher costs and blackouts. Germany, the UK and the USA are rolling back the incentives, with resistance from some diehards (California) it is true, but everywhere that subsidies are cut sees a collapse in the installation of renewables. The recent tariffs on Chinese solarPV panels by the EU and the USA (30%) and India (70%) will see the price rise.
      As for Australia we can only hope for a return to sanity. The frantic efforts at propaganda by the AGW believers isn’t making ground against widespread annoyance at increasing electricity bills. And sooner or later various politicians are going to realise that the next election won’t be easy as the public keeps getting bigger and bigger bills. Weatherill’s frantic decisions to try and prevent a blackout at any cost will backfire if there is a blackout, and suburbs that lose power for any reason will blame Labor. SA will know in 7 weeks, and a big (and fully deserved) loss by Labor may well trigger a rethink in Federal ranks. The only cost our politicians care about is the loss of their job.

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        AndyG55

        EU has just sanctioned the use of WHOLE TREES as biomass.

        So much for the environment !!

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          Extreme Hiatus

          Indeed. Then when the bird species that depend on these forests decline you can bet that they’ll blame it on The Warming.

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        Dennis

        JANET ALBRECHTSEN
        The anger and unthinking parts of virtue-signalling have combined to generate something even more toxic: communism.

        The Australian

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        yarpos

        I would be quite reasonable to ask if home and business generators get include in the calculation of the costs and CO2 output of renewable energy.

        There must be many thousands of generators in place in SA these days. At a personal level, I have one now but have never felt the need in all my previous life. These things arent cheap, are generally imports or partly imports, and consume fossil fuel products.

        Just another layer in the real cost of “free” renewables.

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          RickWill

          It would be measured through the fuel purchase on the assumption it is used. It is likely to be lobbed in with transport rather than power generation. It would be a minuscule amount.

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            yarpos

            Thinking more of the fact that I even need to have one. The fuel use is minimal. Thousands upon thousands of engines and generators and accessories that other wise wouldnt be needed.

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        Ian1946

        Unfortunately as the biggest employer in SA is the State Government the ALP will be returned at the election. However, this will hasten the downward spiral towards a failed State. I will enjoy listening to the spIn from the MSM trying to hide the reality from the masses.

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      toorightmate

      Another appropriate headline is “German Chancellor Unstable”.

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      TedM

      Interesting article. if correct, a perfect example of negative feedback.

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        el gordo

        This particularly caught my eye, 1900 AD was the end of the LIA in the Southern Hemisphere.

        ‘….the researchers found snow accumulation levels had been rising since around 1900.’

        Definitely a negative feedback.

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      RickWill

      This is a quote from the story:

      It’s a finding that aligns with the notion that climate change, by increasing the atmosphere’s retention of water vapor, is increasing precipitation.

      It is only a notion that comes from models. The empirical evidence that MODIS data provides shows atmospheric water vapour has declined over the last 15 years. The reduction in atmospheric water over the 15 year period is equivalent to a sea level rise of 1.5mm. Or it could end up as snow/ice on land.

      This is simply another demonstration of how dismal climate models are at actually forecasting anything. Back to the keyboards guys – more tweaks that have no analytical relationship to the physical world. Pure fudge!! Their slow brains have not yet understood that no matter how good a model can be tuned to historical data it has no relevance to forecasting unless the model has some alignment with the processes that occur in the physical world. Any polynomial can match a curve providing it has enough variables.

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        el gordo

        Ideally a model that incorporates cycles and oscillations would be a good read, at the moment its a guesstimate based on a false premise. Stephen Wilde is on my red team because he understands the dynamics.

        ‘Virtually all climate variability is a result of internal system variability (though provoked from outside the Earth system by solar variation) and additionally the system not only sets up a large amount of variability internally but also provides mechanisms to limit and then reduce that internal variability. It must be so or we would not still have liquid oceans. The current models neither fully recognise the presence of that internal system variability nor the processes that ultimately stabilise it.’

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        Hasbeen

        There were a couple of studies a few years back that showed that as CO2 increased in the atmosphere, it displaced water vapour.

        As water vapour absorbs more outgoing radiation than CO2 this suggested that a CO2 increase was actually going to cool the planet, so the studies disappeared very quickly, their authors probably advised that such suggestions were not good for their career prospects.

        Wouldn’t it be great to go back to the days of my youth, when you could believe academics were searching for the truth, rather than a research grant?

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          Just Thinkin'

          Hasbeen,
          Looks like someone chasing a “research” grant doesn’t agree with you…

          Who wudda thunk it?

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        Brian Hatch

        Tim Flannery told me that it will never rain again.

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      When NASA (weird pointy end of the MIC) is being quoted by the Washington Post (weird leftist organ of CIA) we can be sure it’s the birth of a new climate fib. We know it’s a fib because their lips are moving.

      Of course, sea levels would be rising and should be rising more…if the dog hadn’t eaten their homework.

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    AndyG55

    Paul Homewood uncovering more data FUDGING in USA

    https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2018/01/26/tobs-at-ithaca/#more-31967

    Tantamount to criminal FR**D.

    If you did this in industry, you could easily end up in the slammer for a few years at least.

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      RickWill

      You should not use the term FUDGING. In meteorology this is referred to “world’s best practice data homogenisation”. FUDGING is the process of tweaking climate models to match the latest homogenised data. The combined process of homogenisation and FUDGING are the means by which climate models match the past and present to convince the slow learners that they are useful at forecasting the future.

      Deniers should desist from comparing measured data with homogenised data as it reinforces their incorrect belief system.

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    Another Ian

    “Look over there – a squirrel?”

    I see we’ve signer up for “TPP less US” and we’re talking up trade.

    Maybe someone ought to read the whole thing and see what is in it. If it is similar to the first go then look out.

    One who had read that noted that it was supposedly about trade but it had 29 chapters and only 5 were about trade. And this comment

    “Gail Combs says:
    21 December 2015 at 10:41 pm

    E.M. Glad to see you also made the connection that TPP is the ENFORCEMENT part of the climate treaty.

    TTP sure looks like the EU rewritten for the USA, Australia, Brunei, Canada, Chile, Japan, Malaysia,
    Mexico, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore, and Vietnam.”

    That comment is in here

    https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2015/12/13/paris-cop21-obama-declares-victory-the-tpp-likely-gives-it-to-him/

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      Dennis

      In my experience most people seem to believe that the TPP is a free trade agreement, which it definitely is not.

      TPP is an agreement establishing terms and conditions reaching much further than what a free trade agreement between two nations had involved.

      Another cunning deceptive political manipulation device.

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        AndyG55

        “Another cunning deceptive political manipulation device.”

        Which our INEPT/CORRUPT politicians either WANT, or fall for through IGNORANCE.

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    Yonniestone

    We had the power go out for 1 1/2 hours yesterday (4:30-6:00 pm) in two suburbs of Ballarat Vic, the storm that came through was said to cause this but its still under investigation which is unusual in that any type of damage to power supply is often reported as to the cause (accident, lightning, fire etc..) of the outage.

    The thing that strikes home is how much we depend upon a stable electrical supply for everyday life, the fridge was off so expensive food for our Australia Day BBQ was at risk of spoiling, musical entertainment was replaced with a battery radio (shocked to find one) and mobile phones that still had charge, candles were lit for lighting and torches used to find things in storage.

    This is of course nothing compared to what people go through from the devastation caused by hurricanes or earthquakes but it makes you appreciate the usual consistency of the electrical grid, why some people consider life improving by having a part time power grid is beyond me, fine if they personally choose that lifestyle not fine if they want to force it upon others.

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      RickWill

      Why would I want to listen to union crap! LOL I REALLY cannot be bothered. I have no motivation at all to click that link.

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        It has two good features. Firstly, revealing further Trump bias at Davos and, secondly, some very good rebuttals from the conservative side. It’s more about watching the Left constantly kick own goals.

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    Mark M

    More Trump.

    French President Emmanuel Macron, Davos, 24 Jan, 2018:

    “And for sure, at Davos … cut off by snow … … when you arrive at this building, it could be hard to believe in global warming.”

    French President Emmanuel Macron mocks Trump at Davos: “Obviously and fortunately, you didn’t invite anybody skeptical with global warming this year.”

    Everyone laughs. The world sees Trump as a joke.

    https://twitter.com/KaniJJackson/status/956342790115483648

    > And that’s how you get more Trump.

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      Peter C

      We need more Trump!

      Energy is abundant and affordable.
      This is Trump’s only reference in his entire speech to one of the most controversial (and, of course, correct) decisions of his presidency: to move the U.S. away from the man-made global warming scare narrative and towards the cheap energy policy which is going to give it a massive competitive advantage over those countries (notably the EU member states) which continue to push renewables.

      http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/01/26/delingpole-apocalypse-trump-is-unleashed-on-davos/

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        RickWill

        I have a feeling Germany is close to the crossroad. A widespread blackout in Germany this winter could tip the scale.

        As Graeme points out the South Australian election will be a measure of where Australia is. Widespread load shedding in Australia during February would be influential.

        I doubt South Australians have much appreciation of how dependent they are on the Victorian connection. Now with Hazelwood gone there is a dramatic reduction in on-demand capacity in Victoria. The SA system shutdown in SA was exacerbated by the loss of the Victorian interconnector. With Hazelwood gone there is much less on-demand capacity behind the link. It was down to 172MW during the price hike a week ago. It could be even lower with a concurrent warm day across SA, Vic and NSW in February when the businesses and schools are all up to full swing. The only demand not at full level will be the tertiary schools.

        The single crucial Finkel recommendation has been sidestepped. The outcome from the AEMO ISP is now the next test. It will take something drastic to alter its trajectory however new coal generators are now in the mix.

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      Antoine D'Arche

      yes it is
      hubris will be their downfall, as it always is

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    el gordo

    Transition from the Last Glacial Maximum not CO2 induced.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25152?sf178349467=1

    We already knew that, but the Younger Dryas epoch deserves further research.

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      AndyG55

      “Transition from the Last Glacial Maximum not CO2 induced.”

      Neither was the transition from the LIA to the Modern Slightly Warm Period. :-)

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    Colin

    Yesterday (Australia Day) the forecast for Adelaide started at 40C+ then dropped by Thursday to 38C. As a result many outdoor functions to celebrate the day were cancelled.

    In fact, the maximum temp. rose to 30C at 2 pm. There was no need to cancel any functions. Are the BOM among those activists calling for Feb. 26th to be abolished? Or were they just amazingly more than usually incompetent?

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    el gordo

    ‘China is planning to develop a prototype of high-speed maglev train that can reach 600 kilometer per hour by 2020, its manufacturer said on Thursday.’

    China Daily

    ———-

    In other news, Chinese birth rate steadily falls and is expected to move into negative territory soon.

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    Sceptical Sam

    Solar energy generation capacity.

    Aneroid says

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    Sceptical Sam

    Solar energy generation capacity.

    Aneroid says

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    Sceptical Sam

    Solar energy generation capacity.

    Aneroid says

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      Sceptical Sam

      Apologies for these three aberrations. Don’t know what happened there. Perhaps the Mod could remove them?

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    Sceptical Sam

    Aneroid says 380 MW and AEMO says 323 MW

    http://anero.id/energy/solar-energy

    https://www.aemo.com.au/Electricity/National-Electricity-Market-NEM/Planning-and-forecasting/Generation-information

    Can somebody please explain what accounts for the difference and what the average generation is over a full year?

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      toorightmate

      Aneroid has more fingers and toes than AEMO.

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      RB5550

      Maybe HPRG1 (the Big Battery) in SA is part of the explanation.
      Aneroid describes it as a Solar Generator
      “HPRG1 Hornsdale Power Reserve Unit 1
      Solar PV, Photovoltaic Flat Panel
      102MW”
      AEMO describes it as “Hornsdale Power Reserve Unit 1 (100 MW / 129 MWh) battery storage.”
      Others more knowledgeable about this may shed more light.

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    Crakar24

    Rent seeker receives 60 mil to research reef bleaching, pays gov back through name dropping. States agw causes bleaching 5 times in as many minutes, now its on to the cracked crab buffets in exotic locales, what a life for a no name degree holder from a no name university.

    Headlines from the bumfyck Idaho advertiser will read “local boy makes the big time” WOFTAM all of them

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    toorightmate

    If you watched ABC or SBS on the morning of Australia Day and have less than 0.01% indigenous blood, I hope you feel suitably ashamed of yourself.
    The “indigenous” dancing (choreographed by the Sydney Dance Company) on beautifully manicured grass overlooking Sydney Harbour was a sight to behold – just as Captain Arthur Phillip would have seen.
    Who else is sick of paying $40,000 per head on top of all other benefits to each “”"indigenous”"” person in Australia?
    Yet we have that dumbcluck of a PM telling us we need to close the gap. Bucket loads of money have only widened the gap so far.

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      Dennis

      Consider the sad corrupt history of the Aborigine & Torres Straits Islanders Commission (ATSIC) spanning several years.

      The “air conditioned Aborigines” in Canberra, the bureaucrats who lived better lives than their subjects did in the settlements and land council areas, quickly learnt how to use the trough of taxpayer’s monies for personal and maate purposes. Billions of dollars squandered and/or misappropriated before the Howard Coalition Government closed ATSIC.

      I heard a treaty activist comment recently that ATSIC had been becoming the parliament for indigenous Australians. With due consideration for the behaviour of its bureaucrats the Howard Government saved indigenous Australians from exploitation.

      Be wary of all political commentary regarding a treaty, changing the Constitution, anything that suggests reverse apartheid.

      Australia for all Australians.

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        yarpos

        I once spent a few hours waiting for a connection in a crowded QANTAS Club lounge in LAX. An ATSIC Commissioner had set herself up with her feet up on a lounge, and had public service lackies scurrying around getting her food and drink. It was quite a display.

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      Robber

      I am indigenous. I was born in Australia. I have no other home. I celebrated Australia Day for all Australians.

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      yarpos

      The hypocrisy runs deep. Each of the dancers and many others in traditional costume railing about what whites have done to them, will then change back into their comfy clothes, and retreat back to their comfy abodes, in their comfy cars or public transport, crack a cold drink and perhaps read a book/surf the web/watch TV.

      There were a couple of the aggrieved giving interviews on SBS (where else) last week. One was an Anglican Minister and one was interviewed in his airconditioned office with city views. No sense of irony these people.

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    pat

    Colin -
    do you have documentation for 30C in Adelaide yesterday? there is still media talk that low numbers at the cricket was because of the fantastic heat blah blah. cannot find anything online to back up what you say as yet.
    but there is this!

    26 Jan: AdelaideAdvertiser: Meet John Nairn – the nation’s heatwave expert
    by Katrina Stokes
    For starters, he is a walking encyclopaedia when it comes to the scorchingly hot weather events the nation sweats through every summer.
    Mr Nairn is at the forefront of the Bureau of Meteorology’s Heatwave Assessment operations – the new way the weather bureau determines when, how long and how much the mercury will rise.
    And as latest bureau data shows (and many of us can attest to) South Australia is sweltering through 40C days more frequently.

    Known as the “silent killer”, heatwaves are serious weather events. They can result in significant health stress on vulnerable people, including the elderly and children. Just last week, there were at least 100 heat-related presentations to emergency departments across SA.
    Before new technology came into use in the summer of 2014, heatwaves were classed as a run of three days of 40C or more or five days at 35C or more…

    He has developed a new way of assessing extreme weather which relies on an algorithm that determines the location and severity of heatwaves. And, surprisingly, it’s the cooler dips that are key.
    “If you’ve got a 40C day and you’re coming off a minimum of 15C, you might reach 40C at about 3pm for about two minutes and then the temperature will fall quickly,” explains Mr Nairn.
    “But if you’ve got a minimum of 25C, you’ll be at 40C by about 10 or 11am in the morning and stay there until about 5pm – you’re going to absorb so much more heat and that’s the problem.”…

    All this data is then automatically accumulated allowing the system to spit out heat maps that reveal exactly where, when and how high temperatures will affect the nation over a period of three days…

    Australians are obsessed with weather, particularly extreme weather events and Mr Nairn, who is currently studying his PhD in heatwaves, said these weather events were “deserving of the attention”.
    “The thing is, the Bureau of Meteorology has a national role to protect the Australian population, businesses and everything else from natural hazards,” he said…

    “The minimum (temperature) is more important than the maximum in a heatwave – it drives how long you’ll be exposed to that high temperature (and) it wasn’t appreciated before.”
    http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/technology/meet-john-nairn-the-nations-heatwave-expert/news-story/156eeb25c7c2d23e12eaa7f623c149c6

    & this which is now behind paywall for me:

    When will global warming become too hot for humans to survive?

    The Advertiser-12 hours ago

    In South Australia, soaring electricity demand caused an outage that left 90,000 homes sweltering through a blackout with no airconditioning. Across New South Wales, … Already, 30 per cent of the world’s population experiences potentially deadly temperatures for at least 20 days every year. A team led by Camilo Mora at …

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      Graeme No.3

      pat:

      The evening news gave the peak temperature as 33℃ in Adelaide, down from the predicted 38℃. In the Adelaide Hills it was 31℃ max.
      The attendance would have been affected by
      A prediction of 40℃ in the lead up to the match.
      The 38℃ came through Thursday evening, a bit late to change plans. Anyway 2℃ hardly makes a difference.
      There were (unexpected to the BoM) showers in morning which cooled things then it was overcast for some time. It was only 25℃ in the Hills just before noon.
      Victor Harbor (about 50 km. south) had a predicted & actual peak of 25℃, just the place for a day trip.
      A number of people (myself included) avoid the City around this time because of road closures for various events,
      The match was broadcast on Channel 9 so you could watch it at home in the airconditioning.

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      Colin

      Pat – sorry for the delay, went shopping.
      If you go to
      https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/australia/adelaide/historic
      and scroll down to find
      Adelaide Weather History for 26 January 2018 (Select drop down)

      you will see spot temp every 30 mins. It never rose above 30C all day.

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        pat

        Colin, etc -
        thanx for the replies.

        went to the website and yes, 30C is the highest temp I can see for 26 Jan.

        however, also see Graeme No.3 has claimed a high was reached of 33C.

        any reason for the difference?

        no matter which it was, it would be interesting to calculate the economic losses to Adelaide business yesterday on account of BoM’s wrong forecast, including the poor turnout at the cricket (38,000 expected, versus 10K-plus early in the match, 22K-plus in the evening).

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          toorightmate

          The crowd was down because the proud croweaters were out protesting about 26 January being Australia Day.

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          Graeme No.3

          pat:

          I was extrapolating from 31℃ in the Adelaide Hills as it is normally 2℃ cooler than the city. Sorry about the confusion.

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      C. Paul Barreira

      I take it the “walking encyclopedia” has yet to go as far back as 1939. The arrogance of such bureaucrats is only matched by their self-importance—and ignorance. Why do we pay them?

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      Graeme#4

      So Nairn says BOM has a national role to protect the Australian population. I doubt if that’s written into their charter. And he has developed an algorithm. What, another climate model?

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    pat

    so much hype prior to Australia Day, but still can’t find any reporting on yesterday’s weather in Adelaide.

    but there is this dogmatic headline for a one-sentence story with Sky News video. it was posted online by Adelaide Advertiser (behind paywall for me):

    Adelaide swelters through Australia Day
    The Adelaide Advertiser – 21 hours ago

    reading this sentence and listening to Stacey Lee, it is clear this is talk prior to any peak temp times – no temperatures are mentioned:

    26 Jan: Hobart Mercury: Adelaide swelters through Australia Day
    Authorities have issued ‘extreme heat’ warnings with fire services on alert as Adelaide sweltered through hot temperatures. A number of Australia Day ceremonies were either cancelled or postponed due to the heat.

    VIDEO: 58secs: Stacey Lee, Sky News, Adelaide

    http://www.themercury.com.au/news/national/authorities-have-issued-extreme-heat-warnings-with-fire-services-on-alert-as-adelaide-sweltered-through-hot-temperatures-a-number-of-australia-day-ceremonies-were-either-cancelled-or-postponed-due-to-the-heat/video/0a5b6100729866e82a430093341b7c8a

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      pat

      guess this is something!

      only paras 2 and 3 below and the final two paras of the article are about the weather and no peak temp for yesterday is quoted:

      26 Jan: news.com.au: AAP: SA spared a scorcher on Australia Day
      South Australia has missed out on a forecast scorcher on Australia Day while several hundred people have gathered in Adelaide to call for the day to be moved.
      Thousands headed to Adelaide Oval for the one-day cricket international while others flocked to the city’s beaches and parks as the mercury climbed into the low 30s.
      The bureau had forecast a scorcher but cloud cover and even some early rain took the sting out of the conditions…

      Despite the cooler than expected conditions on Friday, an extreme heat warning remained in place with the Bureau of Meteorology forecasting the mercury to climb into the early 40s in Adelaide on Saturday and Sunday.
      The three-day blast will be Adelaide’s second heatwave this month with similar conditions last week leading to 40 people being admitted to hospitals with heat-related conditions.
      http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/aussie-day-in-sa-to-be-a-scorcher/news-story/7d8ca4e20995483de654fd5ef30447bc

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      Annie

      What’s new about heat in Australia in January and February? I’ve always found the heat uncomfortable but it doesn’t send me into a panic. I just do as little outside as I can get away with! We encountered our first really hot day back in January 1985, when there were fires in Lara and some embers from it floated into the loo window…hello Aussie summer.
      I get totally sick of all the hype.

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    Ruairi

    Australia swallowed whole the warmist myth,
    Which caused the costly grid they put up with.

    Renewables have brought us two new ills,
    A broken grid and higher power bills.

    The skeptics that the warmists love to hate,
    They much prefer to censor than debate.

    Australia signals virtue to the nation,
    By blowing up a coal-fired power station.

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    Having been doing this Base Load Series now on a weekly basis for 30 weeks so far, there is one thing I have noticed, and it concerns Queensland.

    30 weeks comes in at 210 days.

    I averaged the total Demand (actual power consumption) for Queensland at that 4AM time, and it comes in at 5276MW.

    I then averaged what is being delivered by just coal fired power alone, not all fossil fuels, just coal fired power alone, and that total for the same 30 weeks, 210 days, comes in at 5547MW.

    There were only 11 days when coal fired power generation was less than the total Demand.

    So, just coal fired power alone is generating 105.14% of Queensland’s power needs.

    It matters not the slightest that some of that generated power is being delivered into NSW, via the two Interconnectors, because the power is still being generated IN Queensland, hence the emissions are still in Queensland, and so, that power counts as Queensland generated power, not artfully moved to NSW because it is being consumed there. It is Queensland power.

    The Government actually plans to move to 50% Renewable power by 2030.

    So, it’s not a case of reducing the power from, say 83% of power from fossil fuels (Australian average) or even 76% (Australian average for just the coal fired power) it is a case of reducing it from 105% for just the coal fired part alone.

    That MUST entail the closure of coal fired power plants, and by extrapolation, cutting off NSW, and the Government’s own body which did this review stated categorically that NO coal fired plants will be closed by that same time frame of 2030.

    I have no idea how they can just flat out get away with this. Obviously no one has even bothered to check the actual data.

    That 105% from coal fired power is at the time of least power consumption, because as the day’s power consumption moves to the Peak power time, it actually rises.

    It is an absolute physical impossibility that Queensland can get to 50% renewables at any time, let alone by 2030, which is now only 12 years away.

    Luckily, by 2030, all the people associated with all of this will have long moved into a very healthy retirement.

    I have no idea how they get away with it.

    Tony.

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      Robber

      Tell ‘em the’re dreaming Tony!

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      amortiser

      Tony,
      They are not dreaming. The government owns and runs the coal fired power stations. It can wind down production replacing it with renewables and still keep the stations open to cover their backsides in the event of cloudy days. Such an insurance policy will massively increase the cost of power but they don’t give a fig about that.

      At present they are making a killing selling power into NSW then onto Victoria and South Australia. It is here they might feel the pinch on their budget bottom line as this cash cow goes to sleep.
      It the stations were owned privately they would go out of business in this 50% renewables charge.

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    yarpos

    Because you are one of the very few people who check, Tony

    A great many people just go either oh, good! or oh, BS! and move on with ever thinking about it. In both cases the consequences can be washing over them before they realise.

    Most of the people annoucing these goals have no plan to get there and dont understand all the moving parts.

    I’d suggest that , given enough money, QLD can easily get to 50% renewables. The problem is that you live in reality and they dont. They will spend lotso $, talk in fluffy nameplate numbers and job done.

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    Vatican called for world central bank, “a supranational authority with universal jurisdiction” http://balance10.blogspot.com/2018/01/vatican-called-for-world-central-bank.html

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    Vatican called for world central bank, “a supranational authority with universal jurisdiction” http://balance10.blogspot.com/2018/01/vatican-called-for-world-central-bank.html

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    Ian1946

    Virtually no wind in SA 11:45 Qld Time. This could be an interesting day.

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      AndyG55

      4MW of SA wind at this moment , and thank goodness the palace chook hasn’t destroyed Qld power generation… YET !!

      NSW is 1000MW short, being fed by Qld.

      Tassie is plundering its dams for all its worth. !

      https://www.aemo.com.au/Electricity/National-Electricity-Market-NEM/Data-dashboard#nem-dispatch-overview

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        toorightmate

        Tassie needs to take heed of the wise knowledge of Tim Flannery – “It will never rain again; the dams will be dry” – and build a few billion dollars worth of desalination plants and a few billion dollars worth of wind farms and a few billion dollars worth of PV cells and a few billion dollars worth of Musk batteries and then everything will be Onky Dory.

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        Notice that most of the time over the last few weeks Hydro Tas has been IMPORTING.
        That is so that when the price is high in Vic, as it is now, it is good business practice to take advantage of that price.
        Difficult to criticise that when HT’s mandate is to make as much money as possible for the Apple Isle.
        I suspect there is an alternative motive as well, and that is to spruick the “Australia’s battery” concept Tas gov’t is pushing.

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    pat

    25 Jan: Forbes: Dave Keating: A ‘Climate Skeptic’ Just Took Charge Of EU Environment Policy
    Neno Dimov, the man who took over as the president of the EU’s Environment Council on Jan. 1, got an earful yesterday when he appeared before members of the European Parliament. Some of his past words were coming back to haunt him.
    Lawmakers were aghast that a man who once called climate change a fraud and described himself as an opponent of climate science was going to be coordinating the EU’s environment policy for the next six months.

    “You personally have been questioning climate change and whether human activity is the cause; you even challenged the theory of sea-level rise,” Dutch Liberal MEP Gerben-Jan Gerbrandy said to him. Other MEPs demanded he clarify his personal stance.
    Dimov demurred. He would not say anything about his personal opinion on climate change, noting only that there is a “political consensus” within the EU on climate change and that he will “keep this consensus alive.” However, he said, there is always room for “challenges and doubts.” A vocal admirer of U.S. President Donald Trump, Dimov has in the past said global warming is being used as a tool of intimidation…

    Dimov became Bulgaria’s environment minister in May of last year, and shortly afterward he gave a TV interview saying that “climate change is a scientific debatе; there is no consensus, and every part has arguments.” He said that he is one of the opponents.
    In 2015 he said in an online video that global warming is a “fraud … used to scare the people.”
    “The melting of the ice will not raise the sea level even with a millimeter,” he said. “The main factor for climate change is solar activity.”…
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/davekeating/2018/01/25/a-climate-skeptic-just-took-charge-of-eu-environment-policy/#64135b9b1e5e

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    pat

    yesterday, ABC’s AM had -

    ***Rachel Bronson, ***Sharon Squassoni & ***Lawrence Krauss from Bulletin of Atomic Scientists on the program to push their Doomsday Clock moving to 2mins to midnite because of Trump/nuclear/climate change:

    25 Jan: FrontPageMag: Daniel Greenfield: Fake Atomic Scientists Move Fake Doomsday Clock
    It’s doom! Doom, I tell you. Like the other 12,000 previous times this stunt was pulled.

    First, a little background on the Great Doomsday Clock (LINK):
    - The Doomsday Clock is now at two and a half minutes to midnight. That doesn’t mean that the world will be destroyed in 150 seconds. All it means is that some people who couldn’t find a better way to get on CNN will enact an ancient left-wing ritual that involves pretending to care about a fake clock.
    According to the official statement, “Board Marks 70th Anniversary of Iconic Clock By Expressing Concern About “Unsettling” and “Ill-Considered” Statements of President Trump on Nuclear Weapons and Climate Change.” -

    That was in January of last year. Now we’re at two minutes to midnight. We’re truly doomed!

    The rollout was introduced by ***Rachel Bronson, the confused executive director of the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists. Bronson has a degree is in political science and her social media feed is filled with childish anti-Trump rants. She is less of an “atomic scientist” than your Aunt Sally…

    The Bulletin of Atomic Scientists’ governing board has a terrorist lawyer, a public relations expert, a quantitative psychologist and the former CEO of an energy company who is also a “published poet”.
    It does not have a single “atomic scientist”. Or anything remotely resembling one…

    The co-chair, Lynn Eden, is a sociologist. There’s Suzet McKinney, an Illinois official with a degree in Public Health, Jennifer Sims, with a degree in Foreign Policy, ***Sharon Squassoni, with one in Public Management and Sivan Kartha who is a “co-Leader of SEI’s Gender and Social Equity Programme, and co-Director of the Climate Equity Reference Project.”

    This is not what anyone has in mind when they hear, “Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists.”…

    ***Larry Krauss, is the author of The Physics of Star Trek, who had appeared in the documentary, “How William Shatner Changed the World.”

    We’re doomed! Doomed!
    https://www.frontpagemag.com/point/269130/fake-atomic-scientists-move-fake-doomsday-clock-daniel-greenfield

    25 Jan: WesternJournalism: ‘Doomsday Clock’ Ticks Closer to Midnight, But Recommended Fixes Show Clear Anti-Trump Agenda

    25 Jan: Newsbusters: Aly Nielsen: Doomsday Clock Promoters Donated Thousands to Democrats

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    pat

    ABC Davos! taxpayers are not getting value for money.

    27 Jan: ABC AM: Trump sells unique message at Davos By Lisa Millar
    He likes to think of himself as the ultimate salesman and today in Davos Donald Trump sold America to the world – telling financial leaders that the US is open for business…
    But some have criticized his speech for being short on long-term vision.
    Featured:
    Leslie Vinjamuri, Chatham House
    FROM TRANSCRIPT:
    LISA MILLAR: Mr Trump veered off script in the question and answer session touching on one of his favourite subjects.

    DONALD TRUMP: And it wasn’t until I became a politician that I realised how nasty, how mean, how vicious and how fake the press can be – as the cameras start going off in the background.

    LISA MILLAR: There were boos from the audience but it wasn’t clear if they were directed at him or in support of him.

    LISA MILLAR: The response to the speech was positive overall although Leslie Vinjamuri from the think tank Chatham House, thought it was a missed opportunity.

    LESLIE VINJAMURI: You know Davos is full of salesmen and I think really, it was certainly again, it’s a speech that hasn’t got him into trouble beyond anything that, you know, that he’s experienced so far and it was toned down, it was civilised for the most part but it was a lost opportunity, right, to really say America wants to lead, this is my vision of how we can do it, of how we can work around the world.
    http://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/am/trump-sells-unique-message-at-davos/9366680

    if you listen carefully to the audio above (why bother?), it’s clear the audience is laughing along with Trump, just as they did at his campaign rallies.

    there’s not a hint of the faint booing that can be heard on other video versions being posted online. it’s said some journos joined in the booing, which has led to MSM suggesting the booing was pro-MSM! doubt it.
    at least ABC’s Millar leaves the question open tho, if she listened to her own audio, you would wonder why she’d even mention it.

    AP’s Catherine Lucey came up with the “hissing” at Schwab, which ABC runs with here, mixing AP and Reuters.

    27 Jan: ABC: AP/Reuters: Donald Trump declares America ‘open for business’ in World Economic Forum Speech
    As Forum chairman Klaus Schwab introduced Mr Trump, he drew some hisses when he said the President could be subject to “misconceptions and biased interpretations”…
    When he took the stage, Mr Trump received modest applause but some people kept their hands at their sides.
    The crowd was largely subdued as he spoke but there were boos when Mr Trump took a swipe at the media.
    During a question-and-answer session with the forum’s founder, he said it was not until he became a politician that he realised “how nasty, how mean, how vicious and how fake the press can be”…
    Once more shadowed by revelations back home about the ongoing Russia probe…
    But he left unaddressed a number of concerns for the globalist community, including climate change…ETC

    after AP wrote their story, Guardian posted the following online, yet there’s not a hint of hissing, as one of the few commenting also notes:

    26 Jan: Youtube: 27 seconds: posted by The Guardian: Hissing from Davos audience as founder introduces Trump
    He (Klaus Schwab) goes to say that Trump has suffered from biased mis-interpretations – prompting some hissing from the audience.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wp0UUmJZwi8

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    pat

    can’t believe i’d ever be posting Rush Limbaugh, but he nails it totally here:

    26 Jan: Rush Limbaugh Show: Drive-By Disbelief Over Trump Reception in Davos
    (CNN’S CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR: We have never, ever, ever seen — and we’ve been covering Davos for years — a trumpet orchestra, a trumpet ovation opening the speech of any leader, even the president of the United States. And obviously President Trump is the first since Clinton back in 2000. But nonetheless, that never happened before. There’s no doubt that the Davos crowd loves the corporate tax cuts, loves the stock market, loves the fact that the economy’s doing well. Most will say that the U.S. economy is building on the Obama years, building out of where it was going since the financial crash. But nonetheless, they love the economy and the facts and figures…

    (CNN’S JIM) ACOSTA: He’s had a pretty good reception here in Davos, uh, for somebody who railed against globalism as a candidate for president. He has been mixing and mingling with these fat cats and bigwigs nonstop, uh, ever since he’s been on the ground here in Davos, and he’s had a pretty f-friendly reception. I will say, though, it was rather remarkable to hear the founder of this World Economic Forum, uh, also take jabs, uh, at the press and say that the president, uh, is the victim of biased interpretations and misconceptions. All in all, that was a fairly pitiful display…
    ACOSTA: That’s the environment we live in with President Trump. It was fascinating to watch the president get this reception here in Davos. Not what I expected…

    RUSH LIMBAUGH: But here’s what Davos is for the media, from their standpoint. The media, particularly in this country, thinks that they are in the same class as the people they cover — the same stature, the same socioeconomic class — and going to Davos where the media is oftentimes a bunch of sycophants, it’s all about them thinking they are as important and relevant. They are part of the same club that the gazillionaires are in, and that’s one of the reasons they all like to go. No class consciousness for that week…
    And in many cases, they think they’re in a bigger, higher class, that they’re upper class — socioeconomic stature, you name it. You have an event like Davos where it is the world’s elite in terms of wealth, the world’s elite in terms of power, and the media loves going to these things. Do you know why? Because there is no class consciousness at these things, and by that I mean the media is allowed to think they walk on the same ground, they trod the same halls, they’re held in the same esteem…
    They really believe that they are as important as the people they’re covering. They are as important as leaders of countries. They are as important as big time CEOs. And when they go to Davos, it’s all one group partying, and the media (in their minds) is treated accordingly. They’re not treated like an underclass that is only permitted in for a few moments each day and then sent packing and they have to watch through the glass windows what’s going on. They’re let in.

    So when this founder and leader of the World Economic Forum in Davos starts praising Trump, defending Trump, and saying that Trump is treated unfairly by the media, Jim Acosta loses it, because he’s being talked down to now. He thinks he is as important as the guy running the World Economic Forum in Davos, maybe more important — and he’s not the only one. They all do. This is why they can’t believe what they’re seeing with Trump being treated the way he is, like a rock star with all this respect…
    https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2018/01/26/drive-by-disbelief-over-trump-reception-in-davos/

    25 Jan: UK Sun: SPEECH SNUB Theresa May gives her speech to a half-empty room in Davos as the crowds rush out for Donald Trump
    US President upstaged the PM’s big moment at the World Economic Forum as she tried to reach out and seek ‘new partners’ in trade after Brexit
    By Alain Tolhurst
    As she tried to reach out and seek “new partners” in trade after Brexit, her audience was instead elsewhere in the venue watching Mr Trump make his way inside…

    26 Jan: UK Sun: Tom Michael: THE UNLIKELY HERO Donald Trump laps up the adulation at Davos as he receives rapturous welcome in Switzerland
    The US president was greeted by adoring crowds as he arrived to plug his economic agenda at the World Economic Forum in Davos
    The maverick Republican was pictured waving to delegates as he arrived at the venue to a rapturous reception – a sight that is sure to upset his left wing critics.
    He smiled and even high-fived some in the crowd that surrounded him taking pictures as he entered the building…

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    Dennis

    The Weekend Australian

    Foreign Minister Julie Bishop is to attempt to coax the US to rejoin the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade pact.

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      Hanrahan

      Julie won’t be speaking for me.

      It’s passing strange that nobody [apart from some liberal politicians] had a good word for TPP until Trump killed it. Predictably they now want it, Trump has never been right on anything though.

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      Peter C

      What worries me is that Julie Bishop may have signed the Trans Pacific Partnership ( on our behalf) recently. Apart from this blog I have not read any discussion on our MSM about the content, scope or intent of the TPP!

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    Dennis

    Sunday 14.40 EST Wind Turbines

    SA = ZERO
    NSW = ZERO
    TAS = 2 x 30%
    VIC = 1 x 30%

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      toorightmate

      BoM is still telling us that the low in WA is still a chance of developing into a cyclone. It is currently centred just North of the Giles Weather Station. Giles is a notorious are for generating cyclones!!!
      The other Low which BoM also says is a strong chance of developing into a cyclone is currently centred South of Vanuatu!!!!! We’ll never reach the 9 to 12 cyclones predicted this season if global warming does not lift it’s game.
      BoM predicted 39, 41 and/or 42 for Adelaide yesterday. It reached 33.
      BoM appears to be in for yet another stellar year.
      When are they going to employ some people with half a brain and an iota of common sense?
      Surely there cannot be any more homogenizing left to be dome. The numbers on their calculators will be worn out and their crystal balls will glaze over!! [nothing worse than glazed balls}

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        Dennis

        BOM will lift their game when the Automatic Weather Station faults are rectified.

        sarc

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        James

        How about performance based funding? They get extra funding for being within 2 degrees. If they are off by more than 5 degrees then they lose funds.

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        Graeme#4

        Gilles? The only Giles weather station I know is in the middle of nowhere, I think in WA but only just, but down south, not up north. Is there another Giles weather station?

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      Annie

      Sunday? Are you having the same ‘yesterday felt more like a saturday’ feeling as we are after the holiday?!

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    pat

    like the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists, Soros in Davos criticises Trump on North Korea:

    26 Jan: Bloomberg: George Soros Says Trump Administration Is ‘Danger to the World’
    By Katia Porzecanski; With assistance by Jeff Kearns
    Trump is ‘temporary phenomenon’ that may be gone by 2020
    George Soros said President Donald Trump is risking a nuclear war with North Korea and predicts that the groundswell of opposition he’s generated will be his downfall.
    “I consider the Trump administration a danger to the world,” the billionaire investor said in a speech from Davos, Switzerland. “But I regard it as a purely temporary phenomenon that will disappear in 2020, or even sooner.” He expects a Democratic “landslide” in the 2018 elections…

    On Global Threats
    “Mankind’s ability to harness the forces of nature, both for constructive and destructive purposes, continues to grow while our ability to govern ourselves properly fluctuates, and is now at a low ebb,” Soros said. “The survival of our entire civilization is at stake.”

    10 Jan: CNBC: Reuters: South Korea’s Moon says Trump deserves ‘big’ credit for North Korea talks
    •”I think President Trump deserves big credit for bringing about the inter-Korean talks,” Moon Jae-in told reporters at his New Year’s news conference.
    “I think President Trump deserves big credit for bringing about the inter-Korean talks, I want to show my gratitude,” Moon told reporters at his New Year’s news conference. “It could be a resulting work of the U.S.-led sanctions and pressure.”…

    11 Jan: Fox News: Trump deserves ‘big credit’ for sparking North Korea talks, South Korea’s president says
    By Ryan Gaydos, Greg Palkot; Fox News’ Katherine Lam and Lucas Tomlinson and the Associated Press contributed to this report
    SEOUL, South Korea – President Trump deserves “big credit” for kicking off the first talks between Pyongyang and Seoul in more than two years, South Korean President Moon Jae-in said Wednesday…
    Following Moon’s comments, his Special Adviser for Foreign Affairs and National Security, Chung-in Moon told Fox News: “I agree 100 percent. Were it not for President Trump’s pressures, North Korea would not have come to South Korea. President Trump deserves credit.”
    He suggested the talks are a prelude to substantive bilateral discussions between the U.S. and North Korea…

    As to fears that South Korea will stray from the hard line the Trump Administration has established regarding the nuclear and missile programs of North Korea, the special adviser said that would not happen.
    “South Korea will go in tandem with the United States in dealing with North Korea,” he said. “Precisely”…
    “We heard what President Trump was saying: ‘We support you.’ Even delaying the joint military drills,” he said. “I think it was an amazing development.”…

    A hat tip from South Korea to Trump could signal another foreign policy win for the administration that started the year with a ton of momentum after defeating the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria.
    The Trump administration authorized a more intensive air strategy, which left the so-called “caliphate” decimated. The terror group lost 98 percent of its territory it once held, U.S. military officials said in December.
    U.S. officials said fewer than 1,000 ISIS fighters remain in Iraq and Syria, down from a peak of nearly 45,000 two years ago.
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/10/trump-deserves-big-credit-for-sparking-north-korea-talks-south-koreas-president-says.html

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    Robber

    AEMO’s forecast of peak demand for tomorrow:
    SA demand 2637, capacity 2547, relying on 690 imports from Vic for reserve.
    Vic demand 8684, capacity 8654, relying on 1243 imports from NSW and Tas for reserve.
    Total demand 29,900 MW. Lucky it’s a long weekend so industry demand is low.
    On Monday total demand is 31,300 due to a 1500 MW jump in NSW.

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      Robber

      Update at 1pm Sunday Jan 28 with 39 degrees in Melb and 42 degrees in Adelaide.
      AEMO peak demand forecast for 4-6 pm.
      SA 2690 MW, current demand 2330, relying on 400 MW ex Vic, wind 165 MW. Big battery delivering short 30 MW spurts. No sign of those emergency diesels firing up. Price for most of the afternoon 35 cents/KWhr, with 2 hour afternoon peak of $10/Kwhr.
      Vic 8690 MW slight LOR1 shortfall, current demand 7520, relying on 350 ex Tas and 340 ex NSW, wind 140 MW. *rice 27 cents/Kwhr, with 2 hour peak of $9/KWhr.
      Meanwhile in Qld & NSW, still relying on coal, peak prices today are about 10 cents/KWhr.
      Thanks for nothing, Premiers Weatherill and Andrews. Have you saved the planet yet as you destroy our industry?

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    pat

    Youtube: 2mins59secs: President Trump arrives in Davos for World Economic Forum. Jan 25, 2018
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIGBCFk7zxc

    fascinating. CEOs of major companies give account of business they do presently in the US, and their future plans to invest more.

    includes Total France and Statoil Norway…

    26 Jan: Youtube: 19mins06secs: White House: President Trump has Dinner with European Business Leaders
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7k6SEJvnGk4

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    Chad

    Humid in Sydney for the last few days..very Qld,ish !
    Does anyone know why few , if any, weather reports , Apps, forcasts, etc ..geve data for HUMIDITY these days ?.
    It used to be standard to quote temperature and humidity in the forcasts, but its impossible to find now ?

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      yarpos

      I used to have a pet theory that all the weather has slipped south about 800-1000kms.

      I reckon Sydney is more consistently humid these days, in months that it didnt used to be (although, we are only visitors these days). Melbourne used to get damn hot but rarely humid (something we enjoyed when we first came down) but now humid days , like this weekend keep coming up in summer.

      Alternatively, I’m just getting old and feel it more :-)

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        el gordo

        It may seem hard to believe but low pressure instability, caused by blocking high pressure, is a regional cooling signal.

        Of course Melbourne’s cafe latte set will tell you hot humid weather is a clear sign of global warming and totally ignore the cool air outbreak in its wake, usually lasting days on end.

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          RickWill

          The instability is indeed noticeable. Easterly to NE winds are reasonable rare but more common this year.

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        Another Ian

        Y

        The people looking at weather etc used to talk about the Oodnadatta Index which was where the highs were tracking and its likely effect on subsequent Qld weather

        Must have gone out of favour

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    toorightmate

    The Canadian millionaire couple were murdered – SURPRISE.
    They were linked to the Clinton Foundation – SURPRISE.

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      yarpos

      what is the Clinton body count up to now?

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        Rod Stuart

        Including Seth Rich and Dmitri Noonan, about 24.

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          Andrew McRae

          Seth Rich was one of many unsolved murders in his suburb. Julian Assange never said that Rich was the DNC leaker, the only person who made that claim was someone pretending to be a licensed PI when he wasn’t.

          The “Clinton Body Count” sounds closer to zero than 24.
          https://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp

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            toorightmate

            I’ll take Rod Stuart over Snopes – thank you very much.

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              Andrew McRae

              That’s a rather odd choice, as Rod is not a source of information about Seth Rich or any of the other alleged victims.
              You do know that, right?

              On the other hand are the police, coroner reports, NTSB findings, and media articles written by people with reputations to keep.
              That’s why Snopes relays information from those sources instead of asking me or you or Rod. Because we don’t know but the proper sources do.

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            yarpos

            Snopes, bought to you by the same people that bring you the Guardian, CNN and WaPO

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    Rod McLaughlin

    A Guardian writer compares denying global warming to the murder of civilians in Myanmar:

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/jan/27/mohsin-hamid–exit-west-pen-pakistan

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    Andrew McRae

    Many of you will recall a commentator known as Harry Twinotter who rhetorically jousted here on occasions.
    I reckon the old Twinotter got into some soggy strife earlier this month. ;)
    Let’s hope old Harry is right-side up and back to full argumentative capacity soon.

    In other old news, did anyone see the newspapers week before last when they were talking up Turnbull’s new $60M funding package to save the Great Barrier Reef from climate change?
    Hang on, if a one-off spend of $60M can save the reef, why was there ever a multi-billion dollar carbon tax? /s

    Most media recycled the Greens’ retort that only shutting down coal would fix the coral bleaching problem. But the Murdoch rags lead with the angle that scientists would cross-breed Queensland coral with PNG coral to make a heat-resistant super coral!
    Hang on, if heat-adapted coral were able spread into warming Qld waters, would interbreeding and additional heat tolerance to the GBR happen through natural evolutionary forces without our needing to meddle in the process?

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    This is so good , for years i have tried to get you to my way of thinking and now it is happening

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    kevin george

    I dread unthreaded. I just know links are going to be posted and I’m going to click on some of them and find links within the links.

    In this instance, and after two hours, I’m about to read comment #4.

    Here we are trying not to be tripped by links

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    Roy Hogue

    Do you want proof that Nero really did fiddle while Rome burned? Do you want proof that a human being can be stupider than a rock and still get elected to a public office? Do you want proof of any suspicion you’ve ever had about the mental sate of anyone in government anywhere? Then read the next line.

    A California State Senator has submitted a bill that would fine any waiter $1,000.00 for giving a customer an unsolicited straw.

    I kid thee not. The very concept is idiocy. The proposed fine is even worse, if anything, negative on the scale of legislative stupidity with zero being rock bottom dumb. How do they manage to keep breathing and eating and reproducing?

    And we pay taxes to keep this zoo fed and watered?

    Stop the world, I want off.

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    Hanrahan

    SA is hot! over 40 deg. they are also paying $300/MW for electricity, largely coming from Qld.

    This must be a nice little earner for Qld which is almost always exporting to AEMO. Do they get that $330 for the exports or the $64 shown on the Data Dashboard? If our Premier, Plucka, had business smarts she’d be building another coal-fired base load power station and paying down our $80 bill debt with the profits.

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      Robber

      SA price for most of the afternoon 35 cents/KWhr, with 2 hour afternoon peak of $10/Kwhr.
      Vic price 27 cents/Kwhr, with 2 hour peak of $9/KWhr.
      I think Qld only gets the NSW price for exports. However not so bad if average production cost ex coal from well depreciated plant is say 5 cents, incremental cost 3 cents, selling price 10 cents/Kwhr. Selling 1200 MW for 5 hours generates cash of $40k.
      The big winner is Tassie. See my further comments at #34.1

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        Graeme No.3

        Translating those figures;
        SA price $350/MWh for most of the afternoon, with a 2 hour afternoon peak of $10,000/MWh.
        Vic price $270/MWh with a 2 hour peak of $9,000/MWh.
        Contrast this with figures of $35 to $45/MWh before we got renewables.

        I was looking for details of power outages on Friday 26th in northern Adelaide. I heard it on evening news as 70,000 homes blacked out, but can’t find anything on Google.
        There is a letter in the Sunday Mail claiming that Salisbury, Elizabeth South, Paralowie and Parafield Gardens lost power at about 7.20 p.m. (and 40.8℃) until around 9.30 p.m. and also that other suburbs elsewhere also lost power.
        Does anyone know of this?

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      Another Ian

      Pretty sure Qld power only goes to northern NSW and no further south

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    yarpos

    Just looking at the NEM dashboard SA $590 QLD $65.

    I am reminded of the SA Treasurers petualnt comment about “Coal States” Yep, correct. Knucklehead.

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      robert rosicka

      Gone up again over a thousand in SA now .

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      Hanrahan

      Robber says we [Qld] get the NSW price for our exports, currently $80 for abt 1GW. NSW has a generation shortfall of 500 MW but can on-sell 500 MW of Qld power to SA. They buy @ $80, sell @ %00 rising to an expected of $13,000. Nice work if you can get it.

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        Extreme Hiatus

        That’s too lucrative to be an accident. Particularly when it keeps happening and is built in to the system. Sounds like a cozy club where each member takes turns having a shortage that causes a huge windfall profit like that, with the spoils divided later somehow.

        Apparently a hydro system just suddenly ‘went off line’ yesterday (or the day before?) causing such a profit spike. Other days something apparently just overheated or something like that. Both produced huge profits for no real cost.

        In the meantime, other club members are extracting tons of taxpayer dollars to save the planet, making these ‘shortages’ more critical and expensive.

        Not in Australia you say? That would be incredibly naïve. Just consider how they routinely lie and manipulate things in the ‘science’ behind all this.

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        yarpos

        “NSW has a generation shortfall of 500 MW but can on-sell 500 MW of Qld power to SA”

        mmmm….via the well known NSW > SA interconnector

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      Peter C

      Check out the AEMO dashboard for NSW tomorrow!
      http://www.aemo.com.au/Electricity/National-Electricity-Market-NEM/Data-dashboard

      NSW predicted to pay $11,000/MWhr/ It may not get to that but it will hurt

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    Robber

    I still can’t fathom why the price spikes are so large, when AEMO is reporting reserve capacity is available. For example, right now many of the gas plants in SA are running at 80-90% of capacity, but there are others idling. Lonsdale was at 100%, now 0%. Osborne was at 95%, now 75%. Dry Creek 20-70%, Mintaro 75%, Torrens 65%. So spare capacity is available, plus 300 MW spare on the interconnector. And then of course there is the 270 MW just sitting there idle at those diesel generators. Why wouldn’t the SA government run those and reduce the price spikes? And why can’t those gas stations with spare capacity bid more at lower prices? Clearly the operators are playing the game to maximise their profits at the expense of consumers.

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      Peter C

      Plenty of opportunity for gaming at present.

      What if one of the coal fired plants decided to take one of their units off line for a short time and then bid to turn it back on again?

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    observa

    Climate change will also bring new appliances, technologies and retrofitting of old ones, he said.

    You’re not wrong. Already we have to suffer washing machines and dishwashers that take half a weekend to finish and next it’s vacuum cleaners that won’t suck, all to reduce peak electricity demand on their unreliable grid. Does retro fitting mean Premier Wetherill’s taxpayer funded diesel gennys too?

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    Peter C

    I have recently been looking at the little tab called STATISTICS, near the bottom on the right side bar.

    Has anyone else looked at that? It shows how many people are looking at the JoNova site at any moment, where they live and which articles they are looking at.

    It is quite interesting to see that some people are browsing widely through the old posts and possibly copying some of the material. So the blog is influential!

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    Graeme#4

    Apparently there is now an “Electric Vehicle Council”. Anybody know anything about it, and who funds it?

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      Graeme#4

      Sorry, should have researched this myself. Started with a federal 390k grant from our friend Josh. Main members are Tesla, AGL, Mitsubishi.

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    Chad

    Why did the post font switch to BOLD during post 43.1.1 ??

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    Mary E

    Apologies if this has been posted here or elsewhere already – I tried to skim through at least this thread but there is so much!

    In regards to doing business in China, the party is edging its way further and further into the business of the, er, businesses.

    Seems like China, having set it self up as the land of cheap labor and material, and has gotten quite close to the finish line as the provider of reliable power (coal plants, lots of ‘em, nuclear too,) is now starting the take over of those businesses who have flocked, and are flocking, to her shores for low costs in manufacture. Insert required party member here, please, and here, and there as well.

    If the US fails to retain reliable, inexpensive, available to all, electricity, we will all become members of the party, with required original members inserted to ensure our compliance with policy.

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