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One day when Al Gore gets some evidence he won’t need to call everyone names

Al Gore creates more skeptics everyday

Ross Clark, journalist, met Al Gore to interview him about his favourite topic. But Ross broke the rules; he did some research. Clark even talked to a professor about the scenes of Florida being flooded. The prof explained that it’s not so much that the seas were rising fast, but that the land under Miami is sinking — and by an amazing 16-24cm in the last 80 years. (No wonder some residents are seeing water inundate new areas.)

When I put all this to Al Gore and ask him whether his film would be stronger if it acknowledged the complexities of sea level rise — why it is rising in some places and not in others — I am expecting him to bat it away, saying that it doesn’t counter his central point and that there is a limit to what you can put into a film pitched at a mass audience, but his reaction surprises me. As soon as I mention Professor Wdowinski’s name, he counters: ‘Never heard of him — is he a denier?’ Then, as I continue to make the point, he starts to answer before directing it at me: ‘Are you a denier?’ When I say I am sure that climate change is a problem, but how big a one I don’t know, he jumps in: ‘You are a denier.’

That is a strange interpretation of the word ‘deny’, I try to say. But his PR team moves in and declares ‘Time’s up’, and I am left feeling like the guy in Monty Python who paid for a five-minute argument and was allowed only 30 seconds. On the way out, a frosty PR woman says to me: ‘Can I have a word with you?’ I wasn’t supposed to ask difficult questions, she says, because ‘this is a film junket, to promote the film’.

Surely if you are going to make a film claiming climate change to be a grave threat to the world, you ought to be prepared to answer detailed questions about it. – The Spectator

Perhaps he just needs more time? Give him another 20 years and Gore may get the hang of the scientific points.

Exposure to climate-denial, “shocking”

It was the same thing a few weeks ago when Nigel Lawson talked about climate change at the BBC. Gore was practically speechless (certainly he ran out of words):

Al Gore said he was shocked after the BBC “engaged in climate change denial” this morning.

Mr Gore told LBC: “It’s shocking how the BBC is engaged in climate denial, isn’t it?

“I had a personal experience with it this morning. It’s really shocking.”

The way climate denial is referred to — it is almost like the BBC was spreading anthrax or engaged in child abuse. And that’s the message, not that Gore can debate Lawson’s points, just that anyone who asks those questions is such a toxic evil person, so beyond the pale, that even if they were Chancellor of the Exchequer of one of the worlds top economies they don’t deserve to be interviewed. (If only Lawson had come second in a US presidential race.)

Gore is trying to scare  listeners who found Lawson interesting. His message is both to BBC journalists (how dare you) and to people listening who might be tempted to go to work or dinners and talk about the Lawson interview.  Gore wants to keep “climate denial” in the taboo camp by  pouring indignant scorn and outrage at the mere idea of a conversation– but he can’t do this forever.

When people lose their fear of asking what their friends think about Lawson (or any skeptic) the infection will spread rampantly.

H/T William Dwyer, and Joe Bast.

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119 comments to One day when Al Gore gets some evidence he won’t need to call everyone names

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    Roy Hogue

    Jo,

    Do you really expect Gore to come up with some evidence?

    All I can say if you do is please don’t hold your breath while waiting for it. We don’t want to lose our favorite blogger.

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      Roy Hogue

      And from me to Gore,

      If you’re shocked by anything, remember, you made that bed of thorns yourself. No one made you do it.

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        Yonniestone

        Surely a crown of thorns for our only saviour Roy. ;)

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          Roy Hogue

          Like Peter, who insisted he wasn’t worthy to be crucified the way his master was and thus was crucified upside down on an X shaped cross, Al Gore is not worthy of the Crown of Thorns, which was worn as a symbol of honor. And I’ll not give him one.

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      After all these years, a clever charlatan would have a bag full of rapid responses to all such questions. It clearly demonstrates that Gore is quite a stupid charlatan, relying on suspension of disbelief when it comes to anything he says or has said.

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        peter

        Last week an interview of Michael Mann by the ABC’s Joe O’Brien (yes, Prof Mann is in Australia)laid the praise on thick. O’Brien even introduced Mann with a praiseworthy mention of the “Hockey Stick” graph. No mention to the TV audience that the Hockey Smyick graph has been discredited and dropped out of public use by the IPCC. Zero balance in the interview and Mann was allowed to waffle on about Pacific islands disappearing under rising oceans and Miami beach being flooded by rising seas. Al Gore and Mann make a great pair but at least somebody is trying to attack Gore. Should someone seek out Mann while in Australia to nail him with difficult questions?

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      mal

      “Al Gore was as an undergraduate at Harvard University in the late 1960s, Gore–one of the most prominent spokesmen on climate change today–earned a “D” in Natural Sciences.”
      “Gore first attended Vanderbilt University Divinity School (1971–72) on a Rockefeller Foundation scholarship”

      It appears Al’s claim to fame is to follow the good old bible belt way of preaching Armageddon whilst he amasses a personal fortune of over $300 million by promoting this scam

      Why would he care about facts as long as the money rolls in

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    Lionell Griffith

    I strongly suspect that Al believes if he calls it evidence, it IS evidence. He doesn’t need any data from the real world. He creates is own reality. Then if you question it, he gets to call you a climate denier.

    There is no philosophical difference between the ancient superstitious fisherman who prayed to the fish gods to give him a good catch and Al’s position with respect to the climate. His gods said so, he believes it, and that settles it. It is faith based science hidden behind sciency sounding words and cherry picked pictures.

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      Roy Hogue

      Or is it a simple case of bilking the gullible?

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        Greg Cavanagh

        If he was just bilking the gullible, he would have “taken the money and run” by now.

        But no; he’s still out there pushing and promoting. It seems he really does believe his own words. He offsets all of his carbon emissions for his mansions and pools, therefore he’s carbon neutral. The man is so blind that he would lead, and has lead many.

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          Roger

          Personally I think he knows exactly what he is doing.

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          Roy Hogue

          Or he is so stupid a charlatan that he thinks he can keep up his scam forever?

          Remember, he buys his carbon offsets from a company he owns so most of the money flows right back to him. In the end where’s the evidence that he believes? Look at the real estate holdings he has. All are power hungry with his Nashville home alone using more than 10 times the power consumed by the average of American homes across the country. Is that a man who honestly believes what he does is harmful to the planet. No! He’s just laughing all the way to the bank with the money bags under his arm while enjoying his celebrity status.

          I think he found a good way to make lot of money in speaking fees, movie ticket cut and anything else he can squeeze into his plan and he just needs to keep up appearances. Because without a doubt, others enable him for the benefit to themselves and he in turn enables others. He can’t quit without the whole house of cards around him falling down. And besides, he’s having too much fun to quit. How else can a man who was basically an abject failure before he got ahold of global warming thumb his nose at the world and pretend he’s a big man when he isn’t?

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      Crakar24

      Its a phenomenon called “I reject your reality and substitute it with my own” this coupled with “you must use less so I can use more” helps create a world where God like creatures use private jets to fly around the world telling the slaves how to behave without even the slightest idea of the irony on display

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      Glen Michel

      I reckon he’s an alien from another planet. He sort of , you know – transmogrified into his present disguise. Watch his eyes. Lizard almost. Creepy bugger.

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    Leonard Lane

    Again, the USA is blessed in that Al Gore never became our president.
    The additional question is was he always this way? Or did losing to a better man drive him over the edge to a career of deceit and lust for money and the recognition he never got as a losing presidential candidate.
    Whatever the truth, he has never really contributed anything worthwhile to society. He did spiral down to a charlatan and a man who will do anything for money and recognition.

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    Sean

    Ross Clark is delusional. He expects an intelligent answer from Al Gore. Al’s never been the sharpest tool in the shed and I suspect as he ages, “difficult questions” are out of the question, promotional tour or not.

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      Rereke Whakaaro

      I would love to know what Al’s staff turnover rate is.

      He seems to have a youngish female minder, who is a bit of a pugilist, and played the role of his “attack dog” on his recent tours. And he has the usual retinue of Secret Service grunts that are part of the ex-presidential, and ex-vice-presidential, entourage.

      Other than that, he seems to be alone, in his delusions. He can’t be easy to work for.

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        Yonniestone

        “A youngish female minder, who is a bit of a pugilist,”

        The looks can be debatable but the breathing problems are annoying.

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        Manfred

        Why does the vice president not have secret service protection for life? Here

        As for S.S. protection for the V.P. after leaving office, it’s never been authorized because the loss of a V.P., however tragic for the family, is not considered a national security breach.

        Now, consider the retinue of attendants on the altar in a High Mass Service. Some will be designated to attend, some will want to. Among them, mixed feelings about the celebrant may exist. However, they will ALL largely be on the same page, preferring to be there than not, united in purpose and devoted to the faith, all in varying weighted proportions and perhaps tinted with a degree of vanity and self-interest. Doubtless he pays very well.

        The Goracles staff turn-over rate, interesting as it might be, likely doesn’t penetrate his awareness. Cushioned with a stratospheric remoteness afforded by his self-perceived elevation, by his mission, his stupendous wealth and his carapace of ‘denial’, which is pure projection, he may as well be on Uranus. Thankfully though, he’s nowhere around here.

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          Rereke Whakaaro

          Thanks for that information Manfred. I just assumed that his grunts were courtesy of the Secret Service. My bad.

          But he does have a security detail wearing ill-fitting suits, so he must be privately paying for “Rent-a-Heavy”, to provide for his personal protection. I wonder if he also pays them to protect him from his delusions?

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        Roy Hogue

        RW, did you have to remind me that this man is getting expensive lifelong protection paid for out of my pocket?

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          Rereke Whakaaro

          Apparently not, Roy. I had it wrong, Manfred has now put me straight on that matter.

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            Roy Hogue

            I can understand why the atomic bomb was not revealed to Truman while Roosevelt was president. But I can see all sorts of good reasons why the vice president could know valuable classified information, at least diplomatic negotiations in progress and concluded along with the unrevealed details of the deal. These days presidents give their VPs assignments of all sorts. So I’m wondering if a VP might not be valuable to kidnap.

            I certainly don’t know but I do wonder.

            Glad though that nothing from the public purse is going to Gore for his protection.

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        Eddy Aruda

        RW,I am not sure what Al’s staff turnover rate is but the girls say it is not a big one!

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      clive hoskin

      Have you ever noticed that most of these”Scammers”like Gore always have security people near them,in case they start getting awkward questions,which might embarrass them?

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    Eddy Aruda

    Al sees his last chance to milk the global warming machine before the tete runs dry.

    Trump will continue to defund the Church of Climatology until the gravy train comes to a screeching halt. The Democrats will continue to live in denial until the midterms when, instead of gaining seats, they will lose them. At that point, they may have an epiphany and come to their senses.

    Probably Not.

    It always gets down to the money. It is impossible to keep a scientific ponzi scheme going without it.

    The question is, will Al Gore jump ship or will he go down with it?

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      Rereke Whakaaro

      Hi Eddy,

      Long-time-no-type. I hope you are well?

      On topic: I cannot foresee any scenario whereby Al Gore can jump ship with any dignity. He has over-invested emotionally.

      He has all the appearance of a confused, frightened, and fundamentally lonely person. People in that state, tend to be driven by the needs and wants of others, rather than following their own desires.

      And let’s not forget that the Democratic puppet-master is still in the background, even if he was financially damaged by the Clinton’s lacklustre campaign, and the innuendos and scandals that accompanied it.

      The game will continue. But I suspect that Big Al will need to go down with the ship. He has nowhere else to go.

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        Eddy Aruda

        I would agree if we were talking about a true believer. Al Gore was a politician and that means he lied for a living. Anyone that warns of the dire consequences of global warming and flies in a private plane, invests in oil and gas through a fund he is a partner in, buys carbon credits from himself for absolution and refuses to debate or even sponsor one is nothing but a rent seeking greenbagger.

        If you searched for the meaning of disingenuous on the internet a picture of the Goracle would pop up!

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        Ted O'Brien.

        As ever, follow the dollar!

        Eddy, I don’t know how closely you watch Australian political events, but after the Marxist “Labor” government established a carbon tax which caused power prices to rise dramatically, in 2013 we elected the Abbott government with a landslide in the lower house to abolish the carbon tax and the Renewable Energy Target, which taxed coal fired power to subsidise wind and solar.

        However electoral dissatisfacton was so great that in an “A pox on all your houses’ vote we gave a cashed up, shiny bright newcomer the balance of power in the upper house. We thought he talked sense, and he became our very own “Trump”.

        Lo and behold when the new senate was assembling in Canberra, we were astounded with the presentation by the new man Clive Palmer of Al Gore, with an address from the steps of parliament House, telling us among other unpalatable things the The Palmer United Party would be “protecting” the RET. Three years later that “protection” has closed enough coal fired power stations to put Australia at grave risk of major economic recession.

        I would like to know how Al Gore persuaded Clive Palmer. I very much doubt that Al Gore had ever heard of Clive Palmer before the vote of 2013 created the opportunity for Al to influence events in Australia.

        Palmer has since been seen for what he is. A Royal Commission into the dealings between Clive Palmer and Al Gore, which I believe is warranted, might show Al Gore to be no better.

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          bobl

          Al Gore shows the utter, utter hypocrisy of the Democratic party in the US in that they bleat constantly about very minor Russian influence in their elections while a Senior Democrat figure Al Gore actually interfered in our electoral process by corrupting a candidate which continued a hugely regressive tax that is now decimating the nation.

          If it were up to me I’d have Gore charged for espionage.

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      Reed Coray

      First, Al couldn’t “jump” if you gave him $1 billion in carbon credits. “Fall” maybe; but “jump,” no way. Second, Al is more likely to sink the ship than he is to abandon ship. Al’s a “two-sack” embarrassment to US citizens in that to keep our association with him hidden when we leave the country, we must wear two sacks over our heads in case one of them breaks.

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    sophocles

    There is a hospital in Israel, near or in Jerusalem, for the psychologically disturbed which specialises in those who suffer from various forms of religious `overload.’ When I first read about it, from an interview with one of its psychiatrists in a magazine a couple of decades ago, it had two patients who both thought they were `Jesus Christ’ in residence. They wouldn’t talk to each other at all. Each knew the other couldn’t possibly be whom he thought he was.

    If Mr. Gore is asked a question which he cannot answer, or he perceives he won’t be able to answer, then the questioner is immediately delivered the `denier’ or `denial’ epithet. It seems that any question at all is deemed to come from an unbeliever. Lashing out with such an immediate ad hominem response, without any categorization, and before the question can even be finished, strongly suggests Mr. Gore may be developing, or already has a well-developed, `Messiah Complex.’

    Perhaps he should be referred to this Israeli hospital for specialist treatment … for his own good before the condition progresses … :-)

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      Rereke Whakaaro

      How many Messiah’s does this Israeli hospital need to collect, before they can redeem them for a toaster?

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        Lionell Griffith

        It would take many thousands and I suspect even that wouldn’t be worth a bank giveaway cheap toaster.

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          Graeme No.3

          On the otherside 2 devil worshipers gets you a very solid toaster; unfortunately the toast is always burnt.

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      Manfred

      Absolute power corrupts absolutely

      The motivations required to achieve this level of ‘hard drive’ corruption have been impressive — wealth beyond the wildest dreams, power, audience, titles, a sense of destiny and the delusion of saving of the planet.

      The Goracle ‘denier’ epithet is mere projection. He auto-denies any disagreement, challenge or searching question. What he’s really saying is that he denies your question, your interruption, your presence. None of these can ever be permitted to penetrate his psychological carapace of delusion. Self-protection. What lies beneath is far too fragile.

      Somehow it reminds me of what used to be said about guys driving about in red sports cars with very long hoods.

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        OriginalSteve

        The left love labels…..gives them the ability to tie someone up in knots.

        The worst one is “micro aggression” – its a game you can never win…..they keep redefining anything non- leftist as “fascist” or “hate”….. The only option is at that stage is to drain the swamp where ever they are and start again.

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        Lionell Griffith

        For some people, even the promise of only little bit of power is sufficient to corrupt them absolutely. It is an addiction for some that is far worse than gambling, tobacco, and alcohol combined. Not only do their families suffer so also do the rest of us.

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          Manfred

          Lionell, I couldn’t agree more. It’s the ‘little bit of power’ you refer to that is in some ways the most dangerous. The folk 2 sigma below the mean, given just a sniff of power in a faceless bureaucratic position, oh, and an expensive uniform designing by a Psych department to exude authority, are sufficiently disinhibited or manifesting the Dunning Kruger Effect to guarantee they will exercise said power to fullest extent in unrelenting, inhuman fashion. They become the foot soldiers, the black hooded ANTIFA goons, and sometimes, the parking wardens. They are also the one’s who introduced the pellets into the showers and will the the first to claim in their defence, they were acting under orders.

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    Yonniestone

    At Mexico’s Hospital Psiquiátrico its a two for Juan deal, the steak knives are debatable though

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    “it is almost like the BBC was spreading anthrax or engaged in child abuse”
    Oops – the last part of that comment is a bit unfortunate :-)

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      I was in Sydney visiting and was forced to watch an “edgy” BBC production where a woman wakes up hung-over with a strange toddler in her bed. She then makes uncertain reference to certain possibilities, for “edgy” comic effect.

      I had my laptop with me so I decided to email a protest to the Beeb. The response I got was predictable. The scene was integral to the script etc etc. You know: art triumphs over all, we’re the Beeb, we know, you hicks don’t.

      Maybe if I’d made my point as lucidly as Al: “I had a personal experience with it this morning. It’s really shocking.”

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      Raven

      Oops – the last part of that comment is a bit unfortunate :-)

      I’m sure Jo was Savile enough not to miss that . . ;)

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    Tom Anderson

    Today Dr. Roy Spencer announced on his blog: “… I was inspired to do something about it. I’d like to announce my new e-book, entitled An Inconvenient Deception: How Al Gore Distorts Climate Science and Energy Policy, now available on Amazon.com.”

    Available on Kindle and allied platforms.

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    OriginalSteve

    One thing becomes obvious when dealing with the Left – they don’t care about what is true, they only care about what gets them power……

    Morality, ethics, civility- none of these apply. They have taken all the worst aspects of humanity and harnessed it and love the evil of their ways…..nhilusm is too light a definition.

    People like this must be denied political power, for the annals of history are littered with people like Mao. Stalin, Hitler and Pol Pot who pursued leftist power and the outcome was always genocide and evil…..

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      Ted O'Brien.

      Absolutely!

      For a Marxist, the truth is anything he/she might be able to persuade you to believe that will increase his/her power over you.

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      Joe

      with people like Mao. Stalin, Hitler and Pol Pot

      Steve, it is interesting that you also refer to Hitler as a ‘leftie’ as he despised the commies. Most would put him in the hard-right nationalist pigeon-hole. Also interesting that all of those leaders were actually ‘lefties’ in the sense that they were left handed as is former POTUS Obama and former Oz PM Abbott and former UK PM Cameron. I wonder if the ‘lefties’ in that sense are over-represented in the realm of leaders.

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        bobl

        There are different forms of communism. Hitler’s National Socialist party was originally an environmental econut outfit. It is however clear that Hitler believed in government control of everything, and not in a free market economy. That makes him firmly a totalitarian socialist. There is no rule that says communist nations must all love each other, for the most part communist (socialist) nations spend most of their effort fighting amongst themselves. Fortunately that tends to leave the rest of us to trade amongst willing sellers and buyers, until of course some eco-socialist outfit comes up with a stupid idea like the RET.

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          Ted O'Brien.

          Once I thought “left” meant “socialist” and “right” meant free marketeer. Then as Communism ran its course in the USSR it all switched. Seemed to me that the commentariat joined the extremes to make a circle. Which is to a point valid. Until you try to communicate in that regime.

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          Joe

          That sounds like a very different form of communism to me Bob. My understanding was that he had no issue with private enterprise within Germany, and it was internationalism he railed against, especially the banking. One of the first things he did was to purge his party of all the ‘lefties’ and unionists and pacifists. Google the “Night of the long knives”. His only opposition before he became dictator was the ‘leftie’ SDP. I think he was well and truly a ‘rightie’ Bob and sadly, I don’t think that evil has any political boundaries and we need to call a spade a spade.

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            Graeme No.3

            Joe:
            In 1930 -32 many astute viewers called the Nazi Party Bolshevik as they saw little difference. The “Night of the long knives” was Hitler’s way of removing a possible challenger and placating the military who saw the Brown Shirts as an alternative (poorly disciplined and useless militarily).
            If you read A Time of Gifts by Patrick Leigh Fermor (who travelled on foot through Europe in 1933) he writes of the ease with which Communists switched to Nazis. They saw little difference.

            I take the simplistic view, the really big exterminations are by the Left, Nazis, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot etc. whereas the nasty right wingers, repulsive as they are, only eliminate their people by tens of thousands. Even Franco seems to have “restricted” himself to about 100,000 killings once the Civil War was over. The ghastly military cretins in Argentina less than that.

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          Manfred

          The definition of Fascist seems as equally clear as the meaning of NAZI

          Nazi is short for The National Socialist German Workers’ Party, or the NSDAP: In German, Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte. This is the simple explanation, the term Nazi was complex and meant many things.

          Nazism was a political party in Germany active between 1920 and 1945 which replaced the German Workers’ Party (Deutsche Arbeiterpartei; DAP), from 1919 to 1920. Nazi political strategy focused on anti-big business, anti-bourgeois, and anti-capitalism, and in the 1930s the party’s focus shifted to anti-Semitic and anti-Marxist themes. But we already knew all that.

          Nazism also meant racial purity of the Germanic people and to maintain the supposed purity and strength of the Aryan race, the Nazis sought to control certain groups.

          The idea of a “people’s community” (Volksgemeinschaft) was part of the Nazi ideology. Their aim was to unite “racially desirable” Germans as national comrades, whilst excluding those deemed either to be political dissidents, physically or intellectually inferior, or of a foreign race (Fremdvölkische).

          Socialist Nationalist Fascists seems to about sum it up?

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      Rereke Whakaaro

      But there is light at the end of the tunnel, Joe

      All of the megalomaniacs you list, are now dead. Cause and effect eventually has its way.

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    Yonniestone

    Gore’s name calling tactics reminds me of marching with our nations flag in Melbourne and having people hurl abuse, make threats, spit at and assault us while calling us fascists.

    Irony is wasted on the stupid.

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    el gordo

    ‘Gore made the bulk of his money as a media mogul and an Apple board member. In January 2013, he pocketed about $70 million after taxes from selling the Current TV network he co-founded in 2004 to Qatari broadcaster Al Jazeera. He’s earned tens of millions more in recent years by selling off Apple stock awarded when he joined the tech giant’s board of directors in 2003.

    “He would be way more influential if he admitted to everyone he’s been putting his money where his mouth is,” Jigar Shah, a top clean energy investor, told HuffPost. “He is still in this politician mentality.”

    Huffpo

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    manalive

    Repent den1ers* or you will all burn in hellfire.
    The CAGW cult is often compared to Prohibitionism in the US during the ‘20s which benefitted both the teetotalist Baptists (moral righteousness) and bootleggers (cash).
    Al Gore, born-again Christian, happily combines both old-time Southern Baptist revivalist hellfire techniques and the acquiring of great wealth on the back of it.
    * I used a substitute form of the word because I didn’t want to end up in the purgatory of moderation, the word apparently has magic powers that Gore knows only too well.

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    Peter C

    When people lose their fear of asking what their friends think about Lawson (or any skeptic) the infection will spread rampantly.

    If liberating peoples minds from the ideological restrictions of the left can be likened to an infection then I hope that it does spread rapidly.

    My hope however is diminished by the recent activities of the antiFA group in America. Who would not be frightened and cowed by these violent thugs! And it is not like there a just a few crazy antifas. In Boston they managed to raise an army of 30,000 with a few tweets and texts.

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    TdeF

    “Lord Lawson, who was invited on to dispute scientific claims on climate change, despite having no scientific qualifications or training.”

    An essayist like Tim Flannery, Al Gore has no scientific training at all. Gore bachelor’s degree thesis was on the effect of TV on the Nixon campaign. Where Lord Lawson gained a first-class honours degree in Philosophy, Politics and Economics and from a wealthy Jewish stockbroker family from Latvia, the Liebsens, Gore was captain of his football team and came 25th in his class of 51. He did make it to Harvard. This is not to criticize Gore as a person but his disdain for anyone who disagrees is utterly disrespectful and ridiculous.

    More annoying though is that Gore now claims 99% of all scientists agree with him. Why not 101%? The real crime against humanity is that almost all of the 350,000 windmills and millions of solar panels are in countries which do not need them. At least the BBC allowed Lord Lawson to speak.

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    Ruairi

    An Earth-saving high priest for Gaia,
    Was for warmists a climate messiah,
    Preaching doom from on high,
    Which we dare not deny,
    Or be shunned as a social pariah.

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    PeterS

    A typical leftist activist, even the mild ones, knows only one way how to “communicate”. Instead of discussing in a civilized and intelligent manner they straight away denigrate anyone who refuses to agree with their opinions, regardless of whether they are correct or not. It’s a sign of a warped and illogical mind that lacks any sign of critical thinking. They can also be very dangerous people if given too much power, as history has proven many times. Wait until they get even more frustrated leading to increased violence of alarming protections. It will be their next phase in the attempt to take over the world.

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      el gordo

      Is he a megalomaniac or just delusional?

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        PeterS

        If you are referring to Al Gore, I would say he is both.

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          el gordo

          Would the world be a better place if he had become president?

          ‘Bush was elected president in 2000 after a close and controversial win over Democratic rival Al Gore, becoming the fourth president to be elected while receiving fewer popular votes than his opponent.’ wiki

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            Graeme No.3

            Lincoln was also elected President with les votes, but does that make him unacceptable?

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              el gordo

              Shock and awe was an act of megalomania, Gore wouldn’t have gone into Iraq and opened up a can of worms.

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    Any interview with Gore, Suzuki or the Musik Man is an occasion for extreme tension. The interviewer feels he has to measure every question for doctrinal soundness and respect for rank; the interviewee looks like he’s sick of memorising scripts and going from happy face to serious face on cue. Elon is so jumpy his eyes dart and his voice croaks like he’s hung over; Suzuki relies on aggression since he has trouble with the slightest detail not in the script (still tipsy?); Gore blurts and drones like a wooden actor in a 1950s TV series.

    Can’t they get more convincing Holy Men than these guys?

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    Ross

    Gore’s latest is that he is advising President Trump to resign.

    Desperation to stay in the news and as RW says above “He has all the appearance of a confused, frightened, and fundamentally lonely person.”

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    John in Oz

    OW Holmes’ thoughts on scare-mongering have Al answering to the legal system, especially as he is presenting his ‘The End is Nigh’ disaster scenrios in real theatres.

    There must be a strong case for proving that he is wrong (false) in many areas and that his ‘solutions’ rely on scaring the public into action.

    “Shouting fire in a crowded theater” is a popular metaphor for speech or actions made for the principal purpose of creating unnecessary panic. The phrase is a paraphrasing of Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.’s opinion in the United States Supreme Court case Schenck v. United States in 1919, which held that the defendant’s speech in opposition to the draft during World War I was not protected free speech under the First Amendment of the United States Constitution.
    The paraphrasing does not generally include (but does usually imply) the word falsely, i.e., “falsely shouting fire in a crowded theater”, which was the original wording used in Holmes’s opinion and highlights that speech that is dangerous and false is not protected, as opposed to speech that is dangerous but also true.

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      John in Oz

      OOPS! ‘should have Al answering’

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      Ted O'Brien.

      Yes, but in 2017, who’s your judge?

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      Rollo

      “Shouting fire in a crowded theater” is a popular metaphor for speech or actions made for the principal purpose of creating unnecessary panic.

      Roy Spencer in his new eBook ” An inconvenient deception: How Al Gore Distorts Climate Science and Energy Policy” mentions he was one of only 3 people, in a theater capable of seating 730, watching “An Inconvenient Sequel”.

      It wouldn’t have mattered much if someone shouted fire.

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    John Miller

    Do you have a link to the BBC interview with Nigel Lawson?

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    pat

    some of Al’s fellow crusaders:

    read all:

    18 Aug: FinancialPostCanada: Peter Foster: Climate crusaders have got lost in space
    First Stephen Hawking warned earth would be the new Venus, complete with sulphuric rainstorms; now Neil DeGrasse Tyson has joined the climate deranged
    http://business.financialpost.com/opinion/peter-foster-climate-crusaders-have-got-lost-in-space/wcm/56dabd50-71cd-4dc9-b6d3-f589307be291

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    AlGore the doomsday madman
    Lives by the sea,
    In a mansion that uses energy
    Much more than you or me,
    AlGore the doomsday madman
    Flies private jets quite regularly,
    But wants more tax paid by the rest of us
    For our carbon iniquity,
    AlGore the doomsday madman
    Uses facts connveniently,
    There’s the ‘point of no return,’
    now passed, and those other ‘emergencies,’
    AlGore the doomsday madman
    Lives by the sea
    In a co2 high lifestyle
    that reveals hypocrisy.

    H/t to Puff the low energy emitting dragon

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    David Maddison

    Maybe Gore’s lies about global warming were his way to take his revenge against America because he didn’t get to be President?

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    TdeF

    South Park parodies can be cruel. Barbara Steisand as a monster, Moses, Christ, the Mormons, even a musical. Rod Stewart in a wheelchair, Tom Cruise in the closet and the Oprah Winfrey story is beyond description. However no one has been as ridiculed as man bear pig, half man, half bear, half pig ex Vice President Al Gore and his being super serial about Global Warming. A laughing stock to many but he would like you to buy his Climate Porn film. It seems not a single natural event occurs without having Carbon Dioxide as its cause. It’s super serial. If you don’t believe him, you have to pay for his film. Why our Victoria government paid $300,000 to support his recent attendance is beyond logic, but it is Political Science, not real science.

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      Annie

      So he’s a one and a half being?! Or make that a third each of man, bear and pig.

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        Graeme No.3

        Annie:
        one of the characteristics of the AGW mob is innumeracy. Give them a simple calculation and the answer sprouted is often 97.

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      Yonniestone

      Man Bear Pig Ha!, I say we just call him a dirty big Gary and be done with it.

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    Mark M

    Who knew?

    Al Gore points to Michael E. Mann’s Hockey stick in his movie “an Inconvenient Truth.”

    Michael E. Mann claims Exxon knew about the Hockey stick before he discovered the one Yamal tree.

    The IPCC (and CSIRO) relied heavily on the Mann paper in coming to their global warming conclusions.

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      Rereke Whakaaro

      Who knew, indeed?

      This is the Huffington Post we are citing.

      All the news that the Democratic far right can eat, or your money back.

      If they keep trying, I am sure that one day the Huff-po will be awarded the Booker Prize for fiction.

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    pat

    CAGW-infested ANU, funded by Govt, do survey which includes “CLIMATE CHANGE”. is that not idiotic? why weren’t people asked about MANMADE GLOBAL WARMING CAUSED BY CO2 EMISSIONS?

    20 Aug: Canberra Times: Georgina Connery: ANU poll finds majority of Australians think science has made life easier
    Ninety per cent of Australians think science has made life easier but nearly half of us feel that change has come too quickly.
    The ANU was commissioned by the federal government to survey 1203 Australians about their views on science and science-related matters such as vaccinations, genetically modified foods, fracking and climate change.

    The Australian Beliefs and Attitudes Towards Science Survey (LINK) revealed more than 70 per cent of people felt at least “fairly well informed” about science, and 80 per cent said the benefits of science were greater than any harmful effects.
    Australians overwhelmingly consider scientists to be people who, along with doctors and farmers, contribute most to the wellbeing of our society…

    And what about global warming?
    Eighty per cent of respondents believed there was solid evidence the world has been warming the last few decades, with more than half of these people saying this was due to human activity, compared with a US equivalent of 46 per cent of adults.
    http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/anu-poll-finds-majority-of-australians-think-science-has-made-life-easier-20170818-gxzi1r.html

    PDF: 24 pages: Aug 2017: ANU: The Australian Beliefs and Attitudes Towards Science Survey
    Australian National Centre for Public Awareness of Science
    This survey was funded by the Department of Industry, Innovation and Science (DIIS). The research was designed and conducted by Dr Rod Lamberts and the report prepared at The Australian National Centre for the Public Awareness of Science (CPAS) at The Australian National University.

    P11: CLIMATE CHANGE
    Q: From what you’ve read and heard, is there solid evidence that the average temperature on earth has been getting warmer over the past few decades?…
    More than eight out of ten Australians (80.8%) believe there is solid evidence that earth has been getting warmer over the last few decades (Figure 12), while 16.2% believe there is no solid evidence, which contrasts with 25% of Americans who think there is no solid evidence (Pew Research Center, 2015).

    People who say there is solid evidence the earth is getting warmer
    All the percentages referred to in this section are based on the 972 ABAS respondents who believed there is solid evidence that the earth is getting warmer not the total survey sample. More than half of these 972 respondents (53.6%) say the warming earth is mostly because of human activity (Figure 13), contrasting with 46% of similar US respondents (Pew Research Center, 2015).

    P16: Climate change
    When asked ‘from what you’ve read and heard, is there solid evidence that the average temperature on earth has been getting
    warmer over the past few decades?’, people who felt ‘very well’ or ‘fairly well’ informed about science were a little more likely than those who did not to say there is solid evidence to support this…

    P18: Climate change
    When asked ‘From what you’ve read and heard, is there solid evidence that the average temperature on earth has been getting
    warmer over the past few decades?’, people with a bachelor’s degree or higher were somewhat more likely to say ‘yes, there is solid evidence’ that the climate has been warming these last few decades…
    These people were also more likely to indicate they thought this was ‘Mostly because of human activity, such as burning fossil fuels’…
    http://www.science.gov.au/community/Documents/REPORT-SCAPA172001-CPAS-poll.pdf

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    pat

    comment in moderation re ANU/Govt-funded survey re “climate change” etc, the results of which help to back up this kind of talk:

    20 Aug: Daily Telegraph: PM talks up Hobart City Deal and renewable energy
    by NICK CLARK
    PRIME Minister Malcolm Turnbull talked up progress towards a Hobart City Deal and a big vision for Tas­man­ian renewable energy at a keynote address at the ­Liberal State Council…

    Mr Turnbull said Tasmania had the chance to become the renewable energy battery of the nation through the biggest hydro system in Australia and the best wind resource.
    “Tassie Hydro, coupled with renewables, coupled with another interconnector, you put all of that together this is a big vision for Tasmania as the renewable energy battery of Australia,” he said.

    “We are funding through the Australian Renewable Energy Agency a joint study with Hydro Tasmania for at least nine and maybe more pumped hydro projects across the state as well as the refurbishment of some existing Hydro project.’
    “That work is under way and will be completed before the end of the year.”
    “By building the mix of generation assets you can see a future of much greater connectivity across the national electricity market and that is why ARENA is continuing to examine the prospects for second interconnector across Bass Strait.”

    In a press conference (Energy Minister Matthew) Groom said: “I think the PM’s comments were the clearest public commitment yet of the Australian Government’s determination to work with the Tasmanian Government to realise our potential to become the renewable energy powerhouse of the country.”
    “There are some shorter term possibilities including an additional turbine at the Gordon power station, that’s a $30 million project,” he said…ETC
    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/pm-talks-up-hobart-city-deal-and-renewable-energy/news-story/f34317a67252f009730f7708c475e615

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    pat

    19 Aug: Bloomberg: Brian K. Sullivan: Eclipse Turning Day Into Night to Send Temperatures Tumbling
    Millions of Americans across a 70-mile-wide (113-kilometer) corridor from Oregon to South Carolina will see the sky darken as the sun disappears from view, albeit for only a few minutes at a time.
    Temperatures in those areas could tumble by as much as 10 degrees Fahrenheit (5.6 Celsius), according to Paul Walker, a meteorologist with AccuWeather Inc. in State College, Pennsylvania…

    “That is assuming a totally sunny sky,” Walker said by telephone. “We will see a temperature drop where totality happens,” he said, referring to the path the eclipse will take across the U.S. where the sun will be completely blocked out.

    The eclipse will disrupt the sun’s power to heat the ground, warm the atmosphere and supply electricity. It could also be ruined by a rainy day, patch of fog or even just a sudden thunderstorm in the wrong place. Given the limits of modern-day forecasting, predicting any one of those days in advance for an event that only lasts minutes is near impossible…

    “It’s a difficult forecast challenge,” said Bob Henson, a meteorologist at Weather Underground in Boulder, Colorado. “You’re not forecasting a day’s weather, but for two minutes.”…

    As many as 12,000 megawatts of solar power will vanish along the path of the moon’s shadow along with the decrease in temperatures. Natural gas generators as well as hydroelectric plants and other sources will help fill in the gaps…
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-18/eclipse-turning-day-into-night-to-send-temperatures-tumbling

    18 Aug: CarbonBrief: Solar eclipse: Why the sun is not responsible for recent climate change
    by Zeke Hausfather
    With a total solar eclipse sweeping across North America, everyone is suddenly paying attention to the sun. One of the most common sceptical arguments against human-caused climate change is that changes in solar activity, rather than just CO2, is playing the biggest role.

    At first glance, it seems to make intuitive sense: the sun is a massive nuclear fusion reactor a million times larger than Earth, it is responsible for almost all the energy reaching our planet, and in the past few decades scientists have learned that solar activity varies significantly over time. Indeed, changes in the distribution of sunlight reaching the Earth clearly change the temperature dramatically on a daily and annual timescale.

    However, since 1970 global temperatures have shot up by almost 0.7 C, while the amount of solar energy reaching the Earth has actually declined. Similarly, the upper atmosphere is cooling while the lower atmosphere warms, a clear fingerprint of warming from greenhouse gases rather than the sun.

    This evidence suggests we can rule out a major solar influence on recent warming…READ ON
    https://www.carbonbrief.org/why-the-sun-is-not-responsible-for-recent-climate-change

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    pat

    17 Aug: Wired: How Will California’s Solar Grid React to the Eclipse?
    by Eric Niler
    “We do not expect any glitches as far as things shutting down,” says (Riverbanks Zoo in Columbia, South Carolina) zoo spokeswoman Susan O’Kane. The zoo—like millions of other solar power users in the eclipse’s path—will simply switch to electricity generated from coal, gas, and nuclear power…

    So even though no Californians will experience full totality—the eclipse’s path intersects with the west coast in Oregon — a partial eclipse will be enough to drop solar power supplies by 6,000 megawatts during the entire two and a half hours of the eclipse. That’s enough power to run about 6 million homes. “The eclipse will impact all of our solar fields to some degree depending on the location,” (spokeswoman for the California Independent System Operator in Folsom Anne) Gonzales says…

    The biggest challenge for the state won’t be supplementing that 6,000 megawatts with other sources. Instead, it’ll have to focus on managing the sharp drop off and return of solar energy. California will start losing solar generated power when the shadow first hits at 9:02 am PT, keep seeing the dip until the peak shadow time around 10:22 am, and then ramp back up as the shadow diminishes until 11:54 am on Monday, Gonzales says. “There’s a strong ramp down and a sharp ramp up,” Gonzales says. Solar power “will come back strong and quickly.”

    As the shadow advances, California’s electric grid will lose 70 megawatts a minute. Making up the difference will be a balancing act of high-tension electricity choreography conducted by grid operators across the country. They have to make sure that power plants aren’t down for maintenance, for example, and that pressure in natural gas feeder lines remains constant to prevent hiccups in the other power generation units. Californians won’t really know where that power comes from until that day: Power flows back and forth between states based on rapidly fluctuating market prices. The state’s utilities buy whatever’s cheapest at the time.

    North Carolina’s power grid will face a similar juggling act to make up for its 4,000 megawatts of lost solar power, according to the NERC report…

    Moura said that lessons learned will help local utilities, plant operators, and grid managers prepare for the next big eclipse to hit North America on April 8, 2024. By then, solar power will make up a bigger share of the US energy portfolio, rising from 15 gigawatts today to 120 gigawatts in 2024…

    Moura and other experts say battery storage technology will have to make big strides in order to help the solar industry survive events like an eclipse, as well as unexpected cover from smoky wildfires, dust storms or increasing humidity, rains and cloudiness that may occur in a changing climate. Monday will be “a test run” for the 2024 eclipse, Moura says. “We don’t see this on the grid very often.”…
    https://www.wired.com/story/how-will-californias-solar-grid-react-to-the-eclipse/

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    pat

    this morning on ABC’s Macca program, someone phoned in from Lismore and said it was -2C early morning there. it became a bit of a running joke because someone phoned in from Ballarat saying it was -2 when he called in. BoM seems to have a minimum of -3.4C for Ballarat at 7.17am, but the call was later than that.

    the same temp came up again for some reason, and Macca was joking it was -2 all over Australia.

    however, BoM has, if I undertand it from left column:

    BoM: Lismore, Sunday 20 August 2017
    Lowest: 3.2C 3.11am Lismore Airport
    http://www.bom.gov.au/places/nsw/lismore/

    Weatherzone also seems to have 3.2C, but they also have this piece which doesn’t mention Lismore:

    Frosty Morning for Eastern Australia
    by Joel Pippard, Sunday August 20, 2017
    Widespread frost and record breaking cold has impacted much of the east.
    Griffith in New South Wales saw its coldest August morning on record (58 year history), with the mercury dropping to -4.5 degrees. Nearby Yanco also broke their August record (18 year history) with the temperature falling to 2.0 degrees this morning.

    Mortlake in Victoria saw its coldest August morning in 20 years with -3.1 degrees while Parkes saw an 18 year August low of -5.6C.
    Many areas of VIC, NSW and Queensland had their coldest morning of any month in 2 or 3 years, including the Gold Coast (6.3C), Oakey (-3.5C), Cabramurra (-5.7C), Mount Buller (-7.8C) and Mount Hotham (-9.1C)…
    The chilly start is due to a high pressure system that moved in overnight with a cold airmass being left behind by the last cold front. With clear skies and light winds, the overnight temperature plummeted…ETC
    http://www.weatherzone.com.au/news/frosty-morning-for-eastern-australia/526733

    I’m pretty sure it was Lismore being discussed on radio. Macca said he’d be coming up there with his show in about a month. wondering if anyone else heard it because the man seemed to be very sure of what he was saying. I think he was a farmer.

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    pat

    don’t know how much of this is hype. time will tell:

    19 Aug: Reuters: Solar eclipse presents first major test of power grid in renewable era
    by Ruthy Munoz Additional reporting by Nichola Groom in Los Angeles; editing by Diane Craft
    Utilities and grid operators have been planning for the event for years, calculating the timing and drop in output from solar, running simulations of the potential impact on demand, and lining up standby power sources. It promises a critical test of their ability to manage a sizeable swing in renewable power.

    Solar energy now accounts for more than 42,600 megawatts (MW), about 5 percent of the U.S.’s peak demand, up from 5 MW in 2000, according to the North American Electric Reliability Council (NERC), a group formed to improve the nation’s power system in the wake of a 1964 blackout. When the next eclipse comes to the United States in 2024, solar will account for 14 percent of the nation’s power, estimates NERC…

    Power companies view Monday’s event as a “test bed” on how power systems can manage a major change in supply, said John Moura, director of reliability assessment and system analysis at the North American Electric Reliability Corp.
    “It has been tested before, just not at this magnitude,” adds Steven Greenlee, a spokesman for the California Independent System Operator (CISO), which controls routing power in the nation’s most populous state.

    CISO estimates that at the peak of the eclipse, the state’s normal solar output of about 8,800 MW will be reduced to 3,100 MW and then surge to more than 9,000 MW when the sun returns.
    CISO’s preparation includes studying how German utilities dealt with a 2015 eclipse in that country. Its review prompted the grid overseer to add an additional 200 MW to its normal 250 MW power reserves.

    “We’ve calculated that during the eclipse, that solar will ramp off at about 70 MW per minute,” said Greenlee. “And then we’ll see the solar rolling back at about 90 MW per minute or more.”…
    “We want to assure our customers that we have secured enough resources to meet their energy needs, even with significantly less solar generation on hand,” said Caroline Winn, chief operating officer at utility San Diego Gas & Electric Co…

    In the Eastern United States, utilities will have more time to watch the results of their Western counterparts. PJM Interconnection, which coordinates electricity transmission among 13 states from Michigan to North Carolina, says non-solar sources such as hydro and fossil fuel can easily supplant the 400 MW to 2,500 MW solar loss, depending on the cloud cover…
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-solar-eclipse-usa-grid-idUSKCN1AZ0E8

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    pat

    Californians asked to step in “to allow our hard-working sun to take a break, rather than relying on expensive and inefficient natural gas peaking power plants”!

    19 Aug: Patch: Solar Eclipse 2017: Californians Urged To Conserve Energy
    By Kristina Houck
    In an effort to help reduce the strain on the state’s solar power resources, the California Public Utilities Commission established CalEclipse.org (LINK), where Californians are urged to “do your thing for the sun,” by reducing energy usage during the solar eclipse.

    The eclipse is expected to occur from 9:02 a.m. to 11:54 a.m., with the moon obscuring 58 to 76 percent of solar rays, depending on the resource location, and causing a loss of 4,194 megawatts of California large-scale solar electricity, according to the California Public Utilities Commission.

    Northern California will see 76 percent of the sun blocked, while Southern California will see 62 percent of the sun blocked. As the solar eclipse passes over the Pacific Northwest, it will affect solar resources providing power to California’s grid, according to the California Public Utilities Commission…

    Although the solar eclipse will cast a shadow across the United States, the manager of the state’s electricity grid, the California Independent System Operator, said it is prepared for the solar eclipse.
    As solar power production declines during the eclipse, Cal-ISO forecasts it will need to dispatch about 6,000 megawatts of power from ***alternative sources…

    In the Bay Area, Pacific Gas and Electric said customers should be unaffected by the drop in solar power generated by the solar eclipse. The utility company serves nearly 16 million people in Northern and Central California, from Bakersfield to Eureka.
    The company expects a potential drop-off of 2,600 megawatts of solar energy, nearly 20 percent of the 13,500 megawatts they anticipate customers to use during that timeframe…
    “Even with so much of California’s energy now coming from solar, PG&E has a diverse supply of resources that allow us to meet customers’ needs for safe and reliable energy around the clock.”…

    SDG&E spokeswoman Allison Torres told Patch: “Predicting how the obstructed sun will interfere with solar production has added another level of complexity, but we want to reassure our customers that we have secured enough resources to meet their energy needs – even with significantly less solar generation on hand.”…

    Although the state’s grid operator and utility companies are prepared for the solar eclipse, the California Public Utilities Commission is still asking people, businesses, organizations and governments across California to join the “Do Your Thing For The Sun” campaign (LINK) and help conserve energy…

    ***”While our utilities and grid operator have all the tools necessary to manage the grid during the eclipse, what if millions of Californians stepped in to allow our hard-working sun to take a break, rather than relying on expensive and inefficient natural gas peaking power plants?” the website reads.
    The pledge asks Californians to consider replacing light bulbs with LEDs, turning off lights, not charging electronics during the eclipse, unplugging appliances not in use, and turning up the thermostat by 2 to 5 degrees…

    The coalition encouraged Californians to consider using these 10 tips to conserve energy at home…READ ALL
    https://patch.com/california/lajolla/solar-eclipse-2017-californians-urged-conserve-energy

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    Rusty

    I’ve been ridiculed by who I thought were friends by airing my scepticism on the whole climate change BS. Turns out these ‘friends’ are leftists. Needless to say, I don’t see them anymore!

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    [...] JoNova notes that Gore will be able to give up on calling people names when he finds some actual evidence [...]

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    Analitik

    Al Gore made me convert from uncaring, mild warmist to raving, sceptic.
    Anything said by Gore is automatically questionable IMO so with his pronouncement that “the science is settled”, I had to start researching his sources and the charade was obvious from the start (circular references and attributions). Digging deeper just showed how big this conspiracy is and how many vested interests there are in using anthropogenic catastrophism to transfer wealth and power from the normal populations.

    And “the science is settled” remains one of the most unscientific statements of all time.

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    Richard111

    Tried to ‘talk science’ the other day. Explained that CO2 molecules in the atmosphere at 15C (288K) happily radiate photons over the 13 to 17 micron bands. When the air temperature goes up to 30C (303K) those same CO2 molecules are still happily radiating over the 13 to 17 micron bands thus no extra energy from the CO2 even though the air temperature had doubled.
    Tried to explain things about photons and how much energy in a specific photon never mind how hot the emitter is.
    When I tried to explain that photons at 15 microns could only warm up things that were colder than -50C (223K) I lost my audience :)

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