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    David Maddison

    I have mentioned this before but would like to raise it again.

    Thermal generation in Australia is being deliberately run out of business by the carbon tax at 9c per kWh and in VIC tripled coal royalties.

    At the same time there is no restriction on black coal exports although brown coal exports are prohibited.

    So why not import electricity?

    You could build a giant floating power station in international waters somewhere off the east coast of Australia. You would export coal there and import electricity via undersea cable. International waters are 24nm off shore and the applicable laws for the floating power station would be that of its home port so it couldn’t be Australian registered.

    Alternatively, a land based power station could be built in a friendly nearby nation like PNG (not Indonesia). It could be connected to the Australian grid via undersea cables plus high voltage overhead cables.

    While these solutions would be much more expensive than local thermal power stations built next to coal mines, the electricity would be still be cheaper and more reliable than windmills and suitable for industrial production, unlike windmill power.

    Ridiculous laws in Australia require ridiculous workarounds

    What do you think?

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      David Maddison

      Obviously a floating nuclear or PNG land based station would be the best solution but the Australian Government would probably launch a military attack against anything “nuclear”.

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        Rereke Whakaaro

        By “launch a military attack” I assume you mean “drop bombs on it”?

        If so, that would not be a particularly good idea, given that the prevailing winds in the Tasman, and the Coral Sea, are Southerly or Southwesterly. How badly do you want to upset the Indonesians and the Chinese? If it came down to big-boys-toys, it would be a non-contest.

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          Yonniestone

          No we would drop Greens on it, basically a dirty bomb and the high pitched whine on the way down would scare the hell out of them, they would reason that any country capable of producing such diabolical weaponry isn’t one to mess with.

          If escalation did ensue our most destructive would be used, the Bureaucratic Bomb, classed as a weapon of mass obstruction it will send them back to the stoneage.

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          David Maddison

          Rereke, I assume they would destroy it before it was fuelled.

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            ROM

            From OilPrice.com.

            Russia Nears Completion Of First Floating Nuclear Plant

            Power from this first of a possible fleet of sea borne nuclear powered generators is not very large at 75MW but they also have some 300MW’s of heat available for Russia’s Arctic ocean located towns and cities as well as for the exploitation of Russia’s Arctic Ocean resources sector eg; oil well drilling and production platforms.

            With the discovery of a new 1.2 billion barrels plus oil discovery in the Alaskan waters, the international Arctic oil exploration and drilling programs will now probably be reinvigorated and will need power generation of the size and concept the Russians have developed.

            This is only the first and therefore likely to be preproduction model of a floating sea borne nuke powered generator with a lot of variations likely to become available as the concept is developed and expanded.

            Russian company Zapsibgidrostroy (it’s a mouthful, yes) has begun the construction of the docks that will carry the world’s first floating nuclear power plant to its location off the Chukotka coast. From there, the NPP will supply power to the coast and to the offshore oil and gas platforms pumping crude in Arctic waters, starting in 2019.

            Work on the 21,000-ton NPP, named Akademik Lomonossov, has been in progress since 2007, and the plant itself is already complete and undergoing tests. With two low-enriched uranium reactors with a combined installed capacity of 75 MW, the plant, once operational, should be able to produce enough electricity to supply a city of 200,000, along with 300 MW of heat that will save 200,000 tons of coal annually.

            Civil power and heating supply aside, Akademik Lomonosov could turn into just the first step towards a whole fleet of floating NPPs that will power Russia’s advance into the Arctic hydrocarbon wealth.

            Temperatures in Russia’s Far East sometimes reach minus 76 degrees Fahrenheit in winter, which greatly increases the energy needs of any production facility in Arctic waters. Floating NPPs can respond to these needs at a lower carbon footprint than onshore plants fuelled by crude oil, gas, or coal.

            According to proponents of the floating NPP idea, these plants are also lower-risk than nuclear plants on land. They are more resilient to earthquakes and tsunamis, and they have constant access to cooling water, since Akademik Lomonosov’s reactors are suspended below sea level, so a meltdown is more unlikely than on land. Basically, all such a floating plant needs is a power line nearby. This portability is also a major plus, as they can be towed to any location that needs energy.

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              David Maddison

              The reactors used are civilian variants (as used in Russian ice breakers) of their well proven military models.

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              ROM

              Talking big ships and this one is the biggest of them all and will sit in the Browse Basin [ gas ] off Australia’s NW coast.

              I suspect that not many Australians on the east coast would even know it is already afloat let alone that a ship of this size even exists.

              Shell Australia’s giant Prelude floating LNG project likely to come on stream in 2017

              Prelude FLNG will be the largest offshore facility ever constructed. The vessel is being built by the Technip/Samsung Consortium (TSC) at Geoje in South Korea for a joint venture between Royal Dutch Shell (67.5%), INPEX (17.5%), KOGAS (10%) and CPC Corporation (5%).

              Samsung Heavy Industries (SHI) shipyard at Geoje has one of the few dry docks in the world big enough to construct a facility of this size.

              For a whole year, steel was welded together by thousands of workers at the SHI yard to create the biggest hull ever built. Once structurally complete in November 2013, and weighing approximately 200,000 tonnes, the Prelude FLNG hull was floated in the dry dock before it was towed by nine tugs through Geoje harbour to its new position on the quay, where it is secured by 32 heavy mooring ropes.

              At Geoje, the topside modules, many of which weigh as much as a single typical offshore platform, are now being installed on the hull and integrated. Early commissioning has begun. As many as 5,000 people work on Prelude FLNG on any given day at Geoje.

              In Dubai, the construction of the Prelude FLNG turret mooring system is progressing well. Once assembled, it will be the largest turret in the world, almost 100 metres high. The first turret module was completed in September 2013 and transported to Geoje, where it was installed into the hull before it was floated. Since August 2014, four more turret modules have been shipped to Geoje and integrated into the hull.

              At completion, Prelude FLNG will be 488 metres long, 74 metres wide and contain more than 260,000 tonnes of steel. At full load, it will displace more than 600,000 tonnes, more than five times the displacement of a US Navy Nimitz-class aircraft carrier.

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                “Talking big ships and this one is the biggest of them all and will sit in the Browse Basin [ gas ] off Australia’s NW coast.”

                As Admiral H. Rickover would have said, That is not a ship, that is a ‘target’. Put the damned thing underwater so it has a wee chance. :-(

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                Will,

                Ah yes, Admiral Hyman Rickover, another Electrical Engineer (Masters Degree) the father of the Nuclear Navy in the U.S. and who later oversaw the first PWR Nuclear Power Plant at Shippingport PA.

                When you need to move big things, like ships, there’s nothing like lots and lots of steam to drive the turbine, later moving that idea sideways into the generation of electrical power.

                Tony.

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                yarpos

                I wonder how much sea level rise it caused when launched. Probably as much as a new chinese island.

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            Rereke Whakaaro

            So you would recommend a surgical first-strike attack, without demonstrable cause or provocation? An act of piracy, in fact, that would be contrary to the “rules of war” as defined by the Geneva Convention (although there have been so many multiple exceptions to that concept, that they can hardly be called rules any more)?

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      James

      I did read that the Chinese are investigating the transmission of electricity to Europe. I believe that the highest voltage line in the world is in Kazakhstan, a 1 million volt line. No wonder they signed the Paris accord. It benefits them. Does anyone have any thoughts on what the losses would be transmitting electricity so far? How practical would it be.

      There might be a good export market for PNG to export electricity to Australia. Does PNG have coal, or would they have to buy it from us, then sell back the electricity as a profit?

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        David Maddison

        Here is a list of the longest transmission lines:

        http://www.power-technology.com/features/featurethe-worlds-longest-power-transmission-lines-4167964/

        The longest is currently a 2385 km 600kV DC 7.1GW (!) installation in Brazil.

        From Wikipedia:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-voltage_direct_current?wprov=sfsi1

        In July 2016, ABB Group received a contract in China to build a UHVDC (Ultra-High-Voltage Direct-Current) land cable setting records with a 1100 kV voltage, a 3,000 km (1,900 mi) length and 12 GW of power.[8]

        Depending on voltage level and construction details, HVDC transmission losses are quoted as about 3.5% per 1,000 km, which are 30 – 40% less than with AC lines, at the same voltage levels.[23] This is because direct current transfers only active power and thus causes lower losses than alternating current, which transfers both active and reactive power.

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          David Maddison

          It is only 2092km fron Port Moresby to Brisbane so a HVDC link would seem feasible. Perhaps the interconnecting water way is also shallow enough to allow above sea pylons.

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            sophocles

            In case of a tropical cyclone, you just pull the plug, reel in the transmission cables and go hide from the storm?

            Or use lotsa Greens for ballast?

            Mmm. All that wind energy in a TC is just too tempting … :-)
            Maybe it could be the world’s first flying power station.
            All those propellors … and 200kph + winds … :-)

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            David

            Torres Strait is around 81 nautical miles wide, very shallow with an average depth around 15 to 20 metres and studded with islands between PNG and Cape York so a power cable would be easy to lay and maintain. It is a very busy shipping lane and also a mongrel to navigate due to tidal flows and reefs but that would not effect laying a cable.

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            Rereke Whakaaro

            There are numerous examples of submarine HVDC links, around the world. There is one, known as the Cook Straight Cable, for example, between the North and South Islands of New Zealand. There is another, between the Australian mainland and Tasmania.

            As mentioned before, losses are reduced by using HVDC technology. However, to be usable in the target network, the HVDC has to be converted to three-phase-plus-neutral AC, for area and local distribution. In most HVDC applications that I am aware of, the conversion from AC to DC and then from DC to AC requires what is effectively a power generation station at each end of the HVDC link. This is not a cheap proposition, because the generation and consumption ends of the link, must be kept in phase.

            The UN Convention for The Safety of Life at Sea, prohibits the use of “pylons” and other obstructions (such as above-surface electrical cables) in navigable water ways, irrespective of the mean depth of the water.

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              theRealUniverse

              I was told by my electrical engineering lecturer that the South Is drives the North Is around at 50Hz!

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              “This is not a cheap proposition, because the generation and consumption ends of the link, must be kept in phase.”

              Why even should they, must be kept in phase?

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            Ted O'Brien.

            Looking at PNG might not be at all silly. PNG has some high, wet country. Surely much better than ours for hydro. Might even be able to work without big dams. I don’t know how seasonal their flows are.

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        Rod Stuart

        James
        Here is some info for you.
        This PDF pertains to the HVDC supply to Vancouver Island.
        I went looking for some info on the EHVAC line that runs from the GM Schrum generating station on the Peace River to Vancouver and the US border which is the best part of 1,000 miles.
        My memory serves me that it is 900 KV, but according to this PDF it is only 500 KV.
        Corona losses look like about 100 kW per kilometer or as little as 10 kW for HVDC. At leawst that is ball park.

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          nc

          Yes three circuits 500kv with two generation sources and one under construction. The circuits run from GM Shrum to Williston sub onto Kelly Lake sub then metro Vancouver. The circuits are connected to series capacitors and line end reactors. This is just a quick overview. I am a retired grid operators and used to play with that system and more.

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      Robber

      Building a power station offshore without the evil CFMEU workforce would mean that it would cost only half what it would onshore.

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        David Maddison

        It may be even less than half the price. CFMEU thugs have given Australia among the most expensive building construction costs in the world.

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          David Maddison

          Notice that for any building project proclaimed by politicians that the cost is rarely less than $1 billion. That seems to be standard minimum pricing.

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            Another Ian

            David

            “Billion” is the word that replaced “cents” in the ALP lexicon – IMO

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            C. Paul Barreira

            For Rann’s Adelaide Hospital double the initial guesstimate. And still no sign of it opening, let alone serving patients.

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          Ted O'Brien.

          Not just the CFMEU either. Did you notice that the NBN was foisted on our construction sector at a time when the sector was already flat out servicing a boom in mining development? This meant that, competing in that market for resources, the NBN maximised not only its own costs, but also the costs of every construction job being undertaken in Australia. And that, you will find soon, was the main purpose of the Rudd/Gillard government’s NBN. To devalue and destroy private capital.

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        Check with Vladmir! We take care of CFMEU!! Now about Ukraine??

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        Rereke Whakaaro

        No, the laws pertaining in the generating country, apply to off-shore constructions as well. So you would need to build the station outside of the Territorial Maritime Limits, which these days are usually around 12 Nautical Miles. Then you have the problem of building an infrastructure to receive the generated current, and then, “bingo” the whole thing is deemed to be under Australian jurisdiction.

        Nice try, but no cigar.

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      Analitik

      But the Federal government has just pledged a $110 million Commonwealth loan for the development of a new thermal power station at Port Augusta.

      Solar thermal…

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        James

        As a fringe benefit you will have fresh fried bird to eat every day!

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        Graeme No.3

        And who will supply the other 900 million for this toy?

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          Toy being the active word here.

          A Toy power plant, generating toy power.

          Over the (hoped for) life span of 25 YEARS, this CSP will generate 6600GWH of power ….. you know, the same amount of power generated by Bayswater in, umm, ….. 141 DAYS.

          What an absolute bargain of a plant this must be.

          Tony.

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            Rereke Whakaaro

            What? 6600GWH? That would hardly meet my daughters cell phone consumption. Just kidding.

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            Greebo

            If my maths works, which it probably doesn’t, that’s around 212 days of Hazelwood. Great swap guys. The money to upgrade Hazelwood wasted on toys.

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            Graeme No.3

            Tony, I think you are being generous about this toy’s likely contribution. One of the two SNOUTERS has promised only 3124 GWh over 25 years. There are 2 consortiums bidding, one using molten salts, the other (with John Hewson) graphite heat storage.
            Don’t forget these plants usually shut down for 3 months in winter because short overcast sunlight days barely warm the molten salts. Even with the gas burner going most of the time. There is the matter of the overnight temperatures draining heat too. And while it would be closer to the Equator than the Gemasolar plant, it would be at sea level, and have more of a dust problem. Fortunately winter isn’t the peak demand period in Australia.

            The only justification for this plant is that the locals desperately want some employment opportunity; don’t forget that the coal fired plant was shut down, along with the railway to Leigh Creek coal mine, plus a number of local businesses have closed their doors as well. Even cleaning the mirrors with squeegees on long poles looks better than nothing. Besides the Greens have been spruiking this as a power station that can supply base load. Nick Xenophon has been gullible enough to believe that! Add in Weatherill and Greg Hunt during the last Federal election who both promised $200 million, why shouldn’t the locals think it might work?.
            Alinta last year (2015) ruled out building a solar thermal power station near Port Augusta after concluding the project was not financially viable — costing $577 million for a 50MW plant. So oink, oink here, oink oink there.

            http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/revealed-proposal-for-12bn-solar-thermal-power-plant-at-port-augusta/news-story/58e18b826e4ecedfb57a9d11dc5fe7ba

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              When it comes to these CSP power plants, (solar thermal) what must be understood here is it all depends upon the generator itself.

              Generators have evolved over the years to become bigger, and that’s bigger in output, to the point where that soon, they will be able to drive huge output generators, upwards of 1600MW.

              In the same manner that the output has increased, the actual physical size of the generators has become smaller, with better technology all round. However, everything depends upon the rotor, the actual part of the generator which has to be turned over, and that is a huge weight to actually rotate, even if they have gotten smaller.

              To turn that huge weight around requires a very large turbine. To turn that turbine requires immense amounts of pressurised high temperature steam and to ‘make’ that steam, a monster furnace actually capable of being able to heat the water to that high temperature steam.

              So, here we are now, with HELE, which is USC (UltraSuperCritical) and that refers to the operating temperature of the steam itself, and with Advanced USC on the way (between 2018 and 2021) operating at an even higher temperature and also a greater efficiency.

              The three levels of technology below (get that, below) USC are SuperCritical, Critical, and SubCritical. (lower operating temperature of the steam) Sub Critical dates back to the 40s/50s, and even that had an increase in technology in the 60′s/70′s.

              Hazelwood was SubCritical. There are some Critical, and even SuperCritical plants here in Oz, the most recent ones, and they are here in Queensland.

              Okay then, let’s get back to CSP solar thermal.

              All of these plants are sub critical, the same level of technology coal fired power was back at the end of the Second Great War.

              The problem is that operating temperature, and the best they can get out of CSP is at that SubCritical level, hence they can only make certain amounts of steam enough to drive smaller turbines, hence (considerably) smaller generators, and the best they can manage is 125MW generators, and even then only when that temperature actually rises to that SubCritical level.

              When I started all this back in early 2008, I saw a very dry pdf document of almost 300 pages, what is now referred to as ‘modelling’, and it dealt solely with CSP. They modelled that CSP would be able to drive 250MW generators by 2008, 500MW generators by 2012, and to drive those 500MW generators so that they could actually generate on a 24 hour basis with heat diversion a year or so later.

              Needless to say, none of that modelling has proven true, because even now, with specially and specifically designed turbine/generator units the best they can manage is 150MW generators derated to around 125MW, and even then only on a strictly limited time basis, and even those have trouble managing a year round Capacity Factor between 25% and 30%, lower even than wind power.

              Again, let me stress here that CSP is Sub Critical, at least three levels of technology lower than coal fired power currently is at, and the same technology as the now closed Hazelwood.

              After so long working on CSP, they have still not found a way to increase that operating temperature, and at the rate technology is improving in every other field of power generation, this tells me that is about the best they can get it to be.

              Do not ever believe that this plant proposed for South Australia will ever provide 24 hour power.

              The two plants in the Mojave that they constantly refer to cost $2.2 Billion and $1.5 Billion, and have NEVER supplied 24 hour power. They are lucky to generate at a CF below 30%.

              It’s a technology that cannot be improved to a scale that even approches what coal fired power can already do now.

              Tony.

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      PeterS

      Funny you should mention the idea of importing electricity. I was about to post the same idea last week on another thread but decided against it after some thought and research about existing long distance power distribution systems around the world. One problem with such an idea is the link is a single point of failure. The other is the cost involved if we are to use it here as the distances would be huge. So no it’s not practical, at least not in our time. A better idea is to let the country suffer under the ever increasing electricity and gas costs so that the people themselves are eventually convinced there is something wrong and demand a major change through the electoral process. If that fails then the country goes under and I for one will be moving to another country as the living standards here drop to that of Mexico and other similar nations.

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        James

        Back in the early 90′s I think it was, the undersea cable supplying Kangaroo Island developed a fault in one phase, and they were without electricity for several days. This worked out to be a blessing in disguise for them, as about 4 diesel generators were installed, and now when they have state wide blackouts, Kangaroo Island is the first to get electricity back running.

        As for the long distance transmission, I agree that it is not practical. That does not mean that it will not be tried. I have said for a long time that Wind Turbines are not practical. However the powers that be have attempted to convert over to them.

        I hope the Australian electorate comes to its senses are gets the politicians to start looking after Australians, so the country can prosper again.

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        OriginalSteve

        Yes, sometimes its better to let the kiddies hurt themselves, to make them realise certain courses of action are actually very very foolish….

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      toorightmate

      I think you can have electricity mailed in box if you purchase it from Amazon.

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    nc

    Speaking of floating nuclear here is an example,

    http://bellona.org/news/nuclear-issues/nuclear-russia/2016-01-russian-floating-nuclear-power-plants-port-to-cost-58-million

    Just had a look at the Australian energy market, wind generation weak, thermal seems to be holding down the fort so to speak.

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      PeterS

      Yes but these are close to the ports and cities that build and use the electricity. So if we have them here they would still be built onshore and towed to Australian territorial waters. It doesn’t avoid the political and union issues, and the strong anti-nuclear stance by the public. Good idea in paper but not going to happen here that’s for sure. In fact we would have a better chance of building a standard nuclear power station on land far away from a major city than to build one in a port and tow it off shore very near a major city.

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      Geoffrey Williams

      Clever Russians – no greeny objectors there!
      GeoffW

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      theRealUniverse

      I doubt that Aus would ever do a deal on anything from Russia under present political circumstances, probably to its (Australia’s) disadvantage.

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    Another Ian

    “There were a couple of interesting things happening this week in South America. Little was heard of it on the major USA media since nothing but Trump Bashing matters to them. I think there are lessons here for the Global Governance Elite. Those folks who wish to grab power and hold it dear. You know, the folks running the EU, the Democrats Deep State, the Neo-Cons In Exile… ”

    https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2017/04/01/lessons-from-south-america/

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      toorightmate

      The South American situation is sad. The peoples of the various countries are very nice people.
      Goes to show what happens when left extreemist rulers are allowed to run rampant for a few years.

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        OriginalSteve

        I mean look how good it was under Krudd and “no carbon tax ” Julia…..it was about the grubbiest period in politics I can recall.

        Ah Socialism, just when you think its cant get worse, it does….

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      KinkyKeith

      Good.

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    Another Ian

    Jo

    You probably missed this celebration

    “Mechanical Grape Harvester Day!
    Posted on 31 March 2017 by E.M.Smith

    Today we are celebrating National Mechanical Grape Harvester Day! (AKA Cesar Chavez Day).

    For anyone who might not know, especially those living in other countries where our peculiar political holidays might not have currency, Cesar Chavez is that brave soul who through petty bickering, targeted destruction of individual farmers, and great political theatre ( mostly in the form of posed for TV “marches” and a “grape boycott”) single handedly brought about the invention of the Mechanical Grape Harvester and the destruction of jobs for hundreds of thousands of Hispanic farm workers.”

    More at

    https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2017/03/31/mechanical-grape-harvester-day/

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    Mark M

    What Happens When an Archaeologist Challenges Mainstream Scientific Thinking?

    The story of Jacques Cinq-Mars and the Bluefish Caves shows how toxic atmosphere can poison scientific progress

    http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/jacques-cinq-mars-bluefish-caves-scientific-progress-180962410/?spMailingID=28190328&spUserID=MjAzNDYxNTgzOTQ2S0&spJobID=1001403932&spReportId=MTAwMTQwMzkzMgS2&utm_content=buffera7dfc&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

    (via judith curry)

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      KinkyKeith

      Sounds like an earlier version of global warming.

      Self interest trumps scientific truth.

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        “Sounds like an earlier version of global warming. Self interest trumps scientific truth.”

        Carefully considering the ‘dearth of mistreaks’ by the new administration. The Donald seems to be learning Washington ‘politics’ at a fantastic rate! I hope he does not give up his skill to sell anything to anyone. :-)

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    Mark M

    But what if that number was big enough to say Lorentz variation had been violated?

    “The immediate consequence would be that nobody would believe it,” theoretical physicist Sabine Hossenfelder, who wasn’t involved in the research, told Anil Ananthaswamy at New Scientist.

    Relativity Just Passed a Major Test Involving the Most Accurate Clocks Ever

    http://www.sciencealert.com/physicists-put-relativity-to-the-ultimate-test-with-the-latest-atomic-clocks

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    Yonniestone

    Powerline week in pictures, funny stuff……if your’re not a leftist.

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    Rod Stuart

    I went to look something up and I can’t remember a URL that has been referenced here many times. It looks something like aneroid.org.au and it provides real time output of each gnerator in the NEM. Can someone remind me please?

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    Roy Hogue

    Since it’s still the first day of the month here I think it’s an auspicious day for me to officially announce that I have been appointed chief policy advisor to President Trump. My job will consist of making sure he gets policy decisions right — every time. I think I’m uniquely qualified to handle the job since I’m no more ignorant than anyone else who ever advised a president and certainly less ignorant than some of them. The president agrees.

    I leave for Washington DC on Monday. Wish me luck!

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      Roy Hogue

      I envy you down under because you get each new day before almost everyone else on Earth. So you always get the first chance to fix a problem or create one. And the rest of us can only look on with envious eyes, hoping you get it right.

      Use that power wisely because someone is very likely to follow your lead.

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        OriginalSteve

        Well we have a poor record of getting critical stuff right.

        Have a look at our knee-jerk gun laws and please don’t follow us. Regardless of what the actual issue is, gut feel says that deep down, the population in Oz is not trusted by its govt. I’m not trying to stir things up, but as we are all adults here, adults have to face the ugly reality of what very likely is, not what we’d wish it to be.

        I think in all this, its not firearms per se that’s the issue, its the locking down of the population and lack of trust of the population and need to lock them down so tight. Then also look at how far the govt has extended its regulation of every aspect of life.

        You also see that in the CAGW “debate” – the seagulls are rolled out to shriek and cry and carry on to drown out logic and reason in the media and debates…clearly the general population is not trusted to toe the line, so they get effectively sidelined by targeted control of the media and all the talking heads.

        I could go on but you get the idea.

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          Roy Hogue

          Steve,

          We’re following in your footsteps unless Trump can succeed in turning DC around 180 degrees.

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        Rereke Whakaaro

        Yep. New Zealand gets the day before anybody else. It’s great.

        The air is clean, the birds are singing, and fish lazily swim in the clear stream waters.

        And then some b*st*rd fires up a chainsaw, and we go down hill from there.

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          Roy Hogue

          Yes, you get it even before Australia does. So I apologize for omitting New Zealand from my comment.

          Sorry about the chainsaw though. Must be a big inconvenience factor for sure.

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      KinkyKeith

      Roy,

      That comment is highly inappropriate.

      April fools has been and gone here and we are now busy readjusting our clocks back to Australian Eastern Standard time after having experienced the joys and “daylight saving”.

      Where would we be without government to enact useless legislation?

      KK. 2nd April, 2017.

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        Will Janoschka

        Hotel California! :-)

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        Rod Stuart

        It’s actually that damned daylight saving time that causes all the global warming.
        That extra hour of sunlight is what does it.
        And now the damned fools have gone and overstressed the sun with their infernal DST, and it’s running out of gas.
        There is ample evidence. This time of year it always gets colder. That’s because they sucked too much out of the sun all summer.
        Who says we don’t understand how the world works? I can’t comprehend how that Gore fella and that Mickey Mouse from the State Penn haven’t figured this out yet.

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        Roy Hogue

        That comment is highly inappropriate.

        Nice try KK. But you cannot hold me responsible for the position of the International Date Line. That was established long before I was born. And I have no choice but to operate on the local date and time, hence it is April Fool’s Day here until local midnight, the time on Jo’s server notwithstanding. ;-)

        And without government to enact useless legislation we would no doubt be better off, although we’d be without anything to complain about which would be pretty dadgum inconvenient but I’d still like to try it. :-)

        Sorry about the daylight saving time. It was Ben Franklin’s only bad idea. :-(

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          Roy Hogue

          After replying to both you and Rod the local time here is Saturday, April 1, 2017 at 17:00 hours (or 5 PM if your prefer).

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            KinkyKeith

            Roy, it seems that you have put a good case there, we should let the international date line get in the way of humour.

            :-)

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              Roy Hogue

              Roy, it seems that you have put a good case there, we should let the international date line get in the way of humour.

              Indeed, never let anything get in the way of humor in today’s troubled world. Otherwise you begin to think and do things that aren’t good to think or do such as drinking, etc.

              Humor is the best stress relief I know of.

              I presume you meant to say”…we should not let…” :-)

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                KinkyKeith

                Yes I thought of making the change but people get the message.

                From the last thread I mentioned some old native American wisdom I was presented with and attach that here.

                I agree with your comments on that thread; well put.

                Sure we can say that CAGW is a political beast, but more importantly I think we are entitled , as scientists, to say that the very basic science of the CO2 greenhouse gas mechanism just does not work as proposed and indeed actually operates high in the atmosphere where it acts to remove energy from the Earth’s atmosphere. Cooling is the great danger.

                The public has been scammed, big time.

                I believe that the message needs to be stronger.

                The congressional investigation and the performances, in the little I saw, of John Christy and Judith Curry were unnecessarily concessional and lukewarm, vague. Weird and disappointing.

                The Wisdom in contrast with modern thought.

                The tribal wisdom of the Dakota Indians, passed on from generation to generation, says that;

                “When you discover that you are riding a dead horse, best strategy is to dismount ” .

                _____________________________________________________________________________

                However, in government, more advanced strategies are often employed, such as:

                1. Buying a stronger whip.

                2. Changing riders.

                3. Appointing a committee to study the horse.

                4. Arranging to visit other countries to see how other cultures ride dead horses.

                5. Lowering the standards so that dead horses can be included.

                6. Reclassifying the dead horse as living-impaired.

                7. Hiring outside contractors to ride the dead horse.

                8. Harnessing several dead horses together to increase speed.

                9. Providing additional funding and/or training to increase the dead horse’s performance.

                10. Doing a productivity study to see if lighter riders would improve the dead horse’s performance.

                11. Declaring that as the dead horse does not have to be fed, it is less costly, carries lower overhead and therefore contributes substantially more to the bottom line of the economy than do some other horses.

                12. Rewriting the expected performance requirements for all horses.

                And of course….

                13 Promoting the dead horse to a supervisory position.

                If you don’t understand this theory, you haven’t lived long enough.

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                Roy Hogue

                KK,

                I understand the government’s stance regarding a dead horse. And they have plenty of them so they need those strategies.

                What I do not understand is their failure to cope with the stink of a dead horse. They still have a long way to go before their dead horse strategies will slip by anyone who’s still breathing.

                Of course if the public is also dead…

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      Yonniestone

      Go forth Roy Kissinger and may God speed, remember

      ‘Ninety percent of the politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation.’
      Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/h/henry_kissinger.html

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        Roy Hogue

        What can I say? Kissinger would not be among my favorite people who haunt the halls of power but at least the quotes are interesting. However, isn’t it the other way around? Couldn’t just a few percent, say 3% of politicians give the remaining 97% a bad Name?

        There, I snuck in 97% one more time. ;-)

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          Another Ian

          Beware! I believe that the K-gent inspired that definition of a diplomat as “one too little to fight and too fat to run”

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            Roy Hogue

            It seems he had more of a sense of humor than the dour face he always wore when he was on TV or out in public would lead you to believe.

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    KinkyKeith

    David @ #1,

    We can never be told too many times that our electricity is overpriced, thank you.

    I firmly believe that the public perception of electricity is that it comes off the poles in the street and they pay the bill every 3 months.

    My own bill is about $1700 a year.

    Tony has mentioned the base cost of production in local coal fired generators, you have given a tax cost for that base of 9 cents per kWh, I wonder what my bill would be like if the taxes were removed.

    Ten years ago I suspected that we were being taken for a ride when poles and wires were separated from the generating entity.

    There was a horrible feeling that again we were being scr$wed because it appeared that instead of a pay as you system for poles and wires, we were PREPAYING for a decade out into the future, and at the stroke of a government pen, immediately increasing the value of the newly formed “poles and wires” Company massively.

    Neither you nor I would have had shares in that company but you don’t have to be a genius to work out who might have.

    Manipulation and self interest can often be at the heart of most government activity taken on our behalf.

    But I’m being cynical, we know that our democratically elected government would always want us to have the cheapest power possible; but only after the pollies and the bruvvers have taken their cut.

    How much of my annual $1700 might be euphemistically classed as “waste”?

    Am I going to be irritated when I find out what my bill should be?

    I have little doubt; maybe it’s time that the rest of the trusting public found how much they are being taxed for the cause, whatever that may be depending on the group in power.

    KK

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      Robert Rosicka

      Our bill is $2000+ per year and that’s with 5000 watt solar , was $800 ish per quarter before we put the solar on but our electricity costs since then have nearly doubled per KWH , low .20 cents to latest bill which is .43 cents per KWH .
      We lost power again last night in north east Victoriastan.

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        Graeme No.3

        How much is Administration cost (a.k.a. as Connection Charge etc.)? What was your usage in kWhs per annum before and after the installation? Do you have an estimate of how much the solar is generating? Is the 0.20 cents the J tariff (overnight)? Is the 43 cents a flat rate or a higher rate at times of high demand?
        So many questions because your current bill looks too high with that capacity of solar installed.

        I agree that a high FIT is wonderful to have, and fortunately I do have it (thanks to Jay Weatherdill except he will never get my vote). I haven’t paid an electricity bill for 6 years so have almost paid off the installation; just in time because prices are going to go up and wipe out any benefit from the FIT. I use 8.4kWh ±1.0 per day. Currently 55% of that goes to electric hot water service (which uses J tariff at 15.35¢ per kWh). Day time mostly 30.75¢ per kWh but extra in summer at 33.3¢ per kWh. 27.5% of the bill is Supply charges etc.
        Solar generated just under 13kWh per day (always good in summer).

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      Robber

      What we do know from AEMO who keep good historical and current data online is that in Victoria the wholesale price (ie ex power station into the grid) was 2.8 cents per KWh in 2005. In 2016 it was 4.6 cents. In Feb 20107 it was 8.6 cents and 9.1 in March. To that must be added the REC payment to renewables of 9 cents by say 15% share of renewables so add about another 1.4 cents. Now figure how much to add for poles and wires and retail profit to get to your bill. Just talk to anyone in industry about how much their bills have escalated. How to ruin an economy.

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        KinkyKeith

        Small business owners have my deepest sympathy.

        The separation of poles and wires from generation was a con job well executed.

        The stupidity of the elected class is mind boggling.

        Our local council has a tree preservation policy that means you can only cut a tree down after it has fallen and brought the power lines down with it.

        This caused a week without power recently; like living in a cave.

        No doubt the cash saved by not doing the correct tree maintenance or removal, was put to better use, nod nod wink wink.

        KK

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          Rod Stuart

          Sorry to disagree with you Keith.
          If there is to be a free market, as the intention was originally, There are four distinct asset classes: generation, transmission, distribution and retail.
          A competitive market is not possible if ownership of the distribution network is allowed by owners of the generation assets.
          Transmission assets can’t be owned by either generators or retailers since transmission is a natural monopoly.
          That is why it is necessary to separate the distribution asset.
          The charges for distribution in most jurisdictions are set by means of a rate base.
          High quality distribution assets are a necessary part of a reliable system, and that means high quality construction and maintenance.
          One of the drawbacks of giant fans is that they require excessive quantities of investment and maintenance in ‘poles and wires’ relative to the puny amount of energy they actually deliver. This propaganda about gold plated poles and wires was just an old Alinsky trick employed by Gillard to divert attention from the carbon tax heist.
          Power lines blowing over in a slight breeze in South Australia a few months ago underscore that fact.

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            KinkyKeith

            Rod, I don’t think we disagree.

            I understand your outline of best practice but what I am saying is that the implementation of the change created opportunities that were exploited, and not in the best interests of the consumers and taxpayers.

            It’s the old old story.

            Public utilities have been a gouging point for a very long time, it’s just that the gougers change shape.

            Competition is good but given the early payment rebate I get, it seems that there is a lot of slack in the system.

            Enough for everyone.

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            Robber

            The problem with private ownership of the grid is that while they must submit price increases to the Essential Services Commission, they get a guaranteed return on any investments they make. So it’s in their interests to “gold plate” the network.

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      Kim

      KK they did it with water , they got away with that and then went after the electricity , they meaning our Government using the divide and conquer strategy .
      They do it with the Multiculturalism as its good when it may not be , then they
      pander to minority instead of doing whats right .The Liberal senator Corman says we can not repeal the RET . Why would he say that , the investors in all these windy mills should be subject to the market without Government interference and when you have people in Government like Mr Turnbull you can manipulate the market when your family is invested in windy mills .
      Stinks like insider trading .

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        KinkyKeith

        I would like to know more about windy mills investors and the money trail. Sounds relevant to good government.

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      Mary E

      In the NE USA I am paying about $600.00 US per year

      – I have A/C, keep it set between 74 and 78F all summer (if it goes over 90, the temp is set to 78), forced heat (gas to make heat, electric to push it through the ducts)and leave at least one light on 24/7 all winter. My washer heats water using electric, my dryer is electric. I have a sump pump that runs about fairly steadily 4 months out of the year (2 in spring, 2 in wet falls) and motion-sensitive exterior lighting – which turns on during windy evenings as if ghosts were running by.

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    Dennis

    The closure of the Hazlewood Power Station was a “commercial decision” according to the politicians.

    Another example of deceptive behaviour from elected representatives who are supposed to act in the best interests of their constituents but having angered the electorate they do not have the intestinal fortitude to be honest. Of course it was a commercial decision but it was forced by government impositions that favoured competitors operating inferior technology via government/taxpayer subsidies and penalties.

    The PM says the VIC government has done the wrong thing but his comment is also deceptive as he favours renewables too.

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      KinkyKeith

      Well put Dennis.

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      Robert Rosicka

      Dennis neither the state or federal govt did a thing to stop Hazelwood closing but by their own actions certainly encouraged it .

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        PeterS

        Correct. In fact they both did all they could do to accelerate it’s closure. It was meant to stay running for a few more years. ALl we need now is to others to close down prematurely. Then watch the politicians on both sides duck and cover pretending nothing is wrong.

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      TdeF

      Exactly right. The politicians are cheering while crying crocodile tears. Liars. It is all their doing and they know it.

      I was also amazed to see the heads of corporations cosigned a letter supporting same sex marriage with the weight of their position behind it. However it was obviously only their personal position and there is no way the people in the companies have contributed to that position. If the gay head of Qantas wants to express a personal position, he should do it personally. His opinions should not bind his company in such matters in a democracy.

      So we have a position where the Prime Minister and the Premier of Victoria are openly deceiving their constituents. Politicians generally want to support same sex marriage without a plebiscite (that pesky Abbott again). The ABC and CSIRO lecture Australia on Global Warming and the ABC openly attacks any conservative position and refuses to allow a conservative opinion to be broadcast. Trump’s Elites have spoken.

      We are in an age where politicians, people in positions of trust and power and the media betray their responsibilities and our democracy. Joyce speaks for himself only and the smiling betrayal of Turnbull is unforgivable. Daniel Andrews at least is no surprise, a puppet of the left who has shown his true nature and is now universally hated.

      Hazelwood’s closure was indeed a commercial position, forced on the owners by the RET, a 300% increase in the price of coal and who knows what other clandestine government pressure in regulations.

      The swamp in Australia is deep. It has always been known that politicians were untrustworthy but never before have they been this bad.
      Jacqui Lambi lecturing Australia. Nick Xenophon deciding what constitutes free speech.

      Part of the problem is the complete lack of balance in the press, where the whole point of the ABC as a fearless independent and balanced commentator is completely corrupted. Apart from blogs like Jo’e, Breitbart and a few great newspapers like the Australian, the rot is endemic. We are being corralled and Malcolm’s quiet extension of 18C to religion will allow priests to be prosecuted, despite being against our constitutional right of Freedom of Religion.

      The only hope is that Trump and the UK bring change or Australia is going to be run into ground commercially, into massive debt, no industries, no exports, even no students studying science and to be sold up piecemeal to overseas interests as an open cut mine and holiday destination.

      There is also a faint hope that the Liberal/National party realise their leader is transforming the conservatives into his Green party and bring back Tony Abbott, despite the howls from the ABC. Then Abbott would have to toss the tax collectors and windmill fanciers out of Canberra. He might even build an education revolution in Science Technology and Mathematics before it is too late.

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        TdeF

        Exactly right. The politicians are cheering while crying crocodile tears. Deceivers. It is all their doing and they know it.

        I was also amazed to see the heads of corporations cosigned a letter supporting same sex marriage with the weight of their position behind it. However it was obviously only their personal position and there is no way the people in the companies have contributed to that position. If the head of Qantas wants to express a personal position, he should do it personally. His opinions should not bind his company in such matters in a democracy.

        So we have a position where the Prime Minister and the Premier of Victoria are openly deceiving their constituents. Politicians generally want to support same sex marriage without a plebiscite (that pesky Abbott again). The ABC and CSIRO lecture Australia on Global Warming and the ABC openly attacks any conservative position and refuses to allow a conservative opinion to be broadcast. Trump’s Elites have spoken.

        We are in an age where politicians, people in positions of trust and power and the media betray their responsibilities and our democracy. Joyce speaks for himself only and the smiling betrayal of Turnbull is unforgivable. Daniel Andrews at least is no surprise, a puppet of the left who has shown his true nature and is now universally hated.

        Hazelwood’s closure was indeed a commercial position, forced on the owners by the RET, a 300% increase in the price of coal and who knows what other clandestine government pressure in regulations.

        The swamp in Australia is deep. It has always been known that politicians were untrustworthy but never before have they been this bad.
        Jacqui Lambi lecturing Australians. Nick Xenophon deciding what constitutes free speech.

        Part of the problem is the complete lack of balance in the press, where the whole point of the ABC as a fearless independent and balanced commentator is completely corrupted. Apart from blogs like Jo’e, Breitbart and a few great newspapers like the Australian, the rot is endemic. We are being corralled and Malcolm’s quiet extension of 18C will allow preachers to be prosecuted, despite being against our constitutional right of Freedom of Religion.

        The only hope is that Trump and the UK bring change or Australia is going to be run into ground commercially, into massive debt, no industries, no exports, even no students studying science and to be sold up piecemeal to overseas interests as an open cut mine and holiday destination.

        There is also a faint hope that the Liberal/National party realise their leader is transforming the conservatives into his Green party and bring back Tony Abbott, despite the howls from the ABC. Then Abbott would have to toss the tax collectors and windmill fanciers out of Canberra. He might even build an education revolution in Science Technology and Mathematics before it is too late.

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      toorightmate

      The alarm clock has not gone off for the fellow with the red thumb.

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      Raven

      The Hazlewood people didn’t think outside the square on this one.

      I reckon they should have contracted for the supply of coal from, say, NSW. That would mean Donga Dan couldn’t impose his 300% increase royalties on their existing coal.

      In order to comply with that contract, Hazlewood ship one ton of coal from NSW every week via TNT Transport. The balance is used from their own coal as usual.

      If Donga Dan questions the contract, Hazlewood will assure him it’s a “commercial decision” . . . and in practice it only mimics the claim that the ACT is 100% powered by renewables.

      I figure that by the time our Dan figures the twists and turns, the Hazlewood operating licence will have expired in 2026 anyway.
      What’s not to like?

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        Andrew McRae

        What’s not to like? *

        * Do I have to do ALL the thinking around here?!
        ______________

        Fixed it for you. ;)

        But I think the increased transport cost has to be weighed against dodging State impost. Depends on prices.

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    el gordo

    Lawyers for environmental group the Sierra Club had asked the EPA’s Office of Inspector General to check whether Pruitt violated policy when he told a CNBC interviewer on March 9, “I would not agree that it’s a primary contributor to the global warming that we see.”

    Reuters

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      Graeme No.3

      And just who in the EPA is going to say that Pruitt violated policy? Anybody one day off retirement? Or someone anxious for a change in career?
      The Sierra Club haven’t noticed yet that the Government isn’t on their side anymore. Or are they hoping to pick up recruits from an increase in the number of laid off employees from the EPA?

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    David Maddison

    A friend told me that their friend installed a solar system and are now being charged 44c per kWh for grid power. What do you make of that?

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      Robert Rosicka

      David that about what I’m paying , forget the .11cents feed in tariff by the way because my provider limits how much you can sell back before FIT goes to zero .

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        Rob Leviston

        I recently had solar installed. Last bill, before solar, the rate was 27.9 kWh. With solar, it is now 30.69! FIT is only 6.5c. So I guess my ‘true’ FIT is only 3.71c/kWh! Arrgghh!

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    Just had a Bureaucratic Bomb dropped on me (Yonniestone at 1.1.1.1). Tried to tackle it on April Fools Day – duh. Form to fill in that generates about 20 documents/70+ pages and has to be sent by post to Cantberra. The only good news is the address is reply paid, so parcel rates avoided. They have all the information already of course …
    The form has a requirement that if acted on, is contrary to a range of (very reasonable) laws that apply in Queensland. If I don’t comply and just fill the thing in as common sense suggests, there is a THREAT. The punishment will be, they will send me two copies of everything !!! Aaaah Noooo …
    But it might be worse !!! They already send me two copies of everything !!! Does this mean I will get FOUR copies ??

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    David Maddison

    I remember being at a physics conference (Annual Condensed Matter and Materials Meeting, Wagga Wagga) in about ’91 or ’92 and remember being told by a telecommunications researcher that it was physically impossible to transmit quality video over the copper wire phone network….

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      toorightmate

      He was right.
      But it is easily done electronically.
      Physically pushing things on copper wire never works.

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      Raven

      It all depends on what we consider “quality”, too.

      I don’t expect it could be done with ABC News or Q&A.

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      PeterS

      He was wrong but it is true to say it’s now politically impossible to transmit quality video over the public ABC network.

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      “quality video over the copper wire phone network….”

      “Over is the key. Through the dielectric, guided around corners by the copper goes quality advertising, at near the speed of light, attempting to sell what you don’t want.
      My kitten ‘Shadow” refuses to watch TV.

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    Dennis

    AGL are offering a 19% settlement discount for electricity customers, Red Energy (Snow Hydro) are offering 10% of the entire bill settlement on time discount. I have noted even higher discounts advertised.

    Obviously these providers have a substantial operating profit margin to be in a position to offer such high settlement discount rates, normal commercial terms is up to 2.5% to the best of my knowledge.

    Another example of electricity prices being artificially high to favour renewables while the bulk of power comes from the much lower cost sources?

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      KinkyKeith

      My settlement benefit is about $360 per year on a paid bill of $1700.

      Without settlement cost would be $2060 pa. for two people.

      There’s too much margin for something that’s supposed to be a public utility run “at cost”.

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        Dennis

        Obviously the profit margin for the firms that bill us, even when they are subsidiaries of energy companies, are artificially too high due to subsidies.

        In my opinion our politicians have created an electricity market for consumers that is deliberately charging us much more than is fair and reasonable.

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      PeterS

      A relative of mine was offered a special 20& discount with Red Energy then when his current AGL supplier saw the disconnection/transfer notice from them he got an even better discount with AGL. I think he got 24% for electricity and 18% for gas. I did a check and Red Energy’s prices are a little higher to start off with so the standard advertised discounts may not be that good after all. You need to do your sums to work out if the change is worth it or not.

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    Robert Rosicka

    Can’t find the email about the price rise and looks like since the FIT went to 8 cents they now pay me each kw I send back , I’m expecting my next bill to be 42-3 cents kw peak , at the last bill was .34 cents kw .
    Can’t cut and paste the relevant info for some reason , bill for nov dec Jan was $570 .

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    Ruairi

    Renewables and the greens are out of phase,
    And could cause blackouts in our grids for days.

    Daft politicians have it in for coal,
    And would waste billions to achieve their goal.

    Claiming man made Debbie worse is so obscene,
    By zany climate zealots, duped and green.

    It’s great that warmist bullies can’t deny,
    Free speech to skeptics as they testify.

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    Robert Rosicka

    Anyone want a laugh , their abc is having a talk to dr Karl Marx about global warming and presumably cyclone Debbie .

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      tom0mason

      This should be comment #21.1 or 21.2.
      Not a new comment, or maybe the ‘smart’ computer knows otherwise.

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    Robert Rosicka

    So Dr Karl Marx reckons that the extra Co2 were emitting is the same energy as 400 Hiroshima atomic bombs every day ( wish he would convert that to Olympic swimming pools ) in terms of the stored heat and greenhouse effect .

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    Robert Rosicka

    New post I did at 29 went to 22 , we’ve broken Jo’s blog .
    Russian hacking maybe ?

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    Hasbeen

    I posted this elsewhere, but thought this was a better site for it.

    After now seeing the damage a category 4 cyclone, [Hamilton Island] & a medium category 3, [Proserpine] can do, perhaps we can expect something better from our politicking weather bureau.

    After exaggerating greatly the last one that went close by Yeppoon, claiming it was a cat 4, the weather bureau has given a lot of people a false sense of security with cyclones. It was obvious to those with experience that it was no cat 4 that went through there, more like a high 2, but the greenies & the bureau maintained the claims.

    Politicking with the claimed increase in sever cyclones to be caused by global warming, they exaggerated wind strengths, making people much more vulnerable, when the real thing comes along.

    Well now everyone can see the effect of a real 4. With people complacent after seeing little damage in a claimed 4, many were at much greater danger with the real thing this time.

    If our government is worth its keep, there should be more than a few heads rolling out the doors of the bureau, so they can’t do it again. After proving their first interest is not public safety, but political games, they must go

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      Greebo

      This politicking became blatantly obvious with the ‘cyclonic wind’ hyperbole after the SA black system event.

      Notice also how the likes of Bandt cam always blame ‘dirty, killer coal’ for such events as the SA storm and this cyclone? Please correct me if I am wrong, but haven’t cyclones become fewer recently?

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      @hasbeen
      Some parts of Hamilton Island may have been Cat 4. The “airport” automatic station reported max gust of 263 km/h. Trouble is, it took a while for anyone (including me) to spot that this station is NOT at the airport. It is at 59.6 metres AHD (MSL)above it. That would greatly inflate the wind speed.
      Have a look at
      https://www.jcu.edu.au/cyclone-testing-station/swirlnet
      (SWIRL=Surface Weather Relay and Logging Network.) JCU CTS have a number of these, and this time, had reasonable success in working out where to deploy them.
      Tower 2 (north of Bowen) 62km/h mean, 114km/h 3 second gust
      Tower 5 (south of Bowen, top of beach) 70 and 125
      Tower 6 (Proserpine) 54, 96
      (Cat 1 = less than 125 km/h gusts, Cat 2 = 125 – 164 km/h gusts)
      I have been looking at images of the damage. Much of the more spectacular damage is, as with Marcia last year, the result of failure to construct to the required code. So much wall and roof framing with no evidence of cyclone bolts, truss plates, truss diagonals, batten or stud strapping.
      Busted boats don’t count. If you can’t get them out of the water and tie them down, you need to drive them away, up rivers maybe until they run aground. Then tie them down
      Tropical Low: Sustained wind 63 km/h. Strongest gust less than 91km/h
      Category 1: Sustained wind 63-88 km/h. Strongest gust less than 125 km/h
      Category 2: Sustained wind 89-117 km/h. Strongest gust 125 – 164 km/h
      Category 3: Sustained wind 118-159 km/h. Strongest gust 165 – 224 km/h
      Category 4: Sustained Wind 160-200 km/h. Strongest gust 225 – 279 km/h
      Category 5: Sustained wind greater than >200 km/h. Strongest gust More than 279 km/h.

      Design wind speeds:
      C1 = ULSD 50 m/s 180 km/h
      C2 = ULSD 61 m/s 219 km/h
      C3 = ULSD 74 m/s 266 km/h
      C4 = ULSD 86 m/s 309 km/h
      ULSD = ultimate limit state design. PC way of saying above this all bets are off.
      My place was built to C2 + a few extras, and was completely unaffected by Yasi delivering 200km/h full on the north elevation. Didn’t even creak or “sing”.
      None of the places on landfall of Debbie and nearby constitute dense development, so should be built to C2 at least. Anywhere on the islands, on the shoreline, on a rising slope (or down-slope following a rising slope), in a re-entrant valley (gets narrower as you go up it), or above 15m AHD should have been designed from scratch by RPEQ (Registered professional engineer Queensland).
      Back in 1978 the recommended design wind speed for Bowen and Proserpine was 65 m/s or 234 km/h.
      Source: Terrain Categories and Wind Speeds for Principal Queensland Townships, JCU CTS Technical Report No.1, Greg Reardon.
      This can still be found on the internet but needs to be used carefully. The terrain category numbering is the opposite of that for current design wind speeds, and all the quoted standards have changed. Take the highest figure quoted, and follow these rules of thumb:
      If all you can see around is neighbours buildings, then you are probably C1.
      If you have anything like a view, you are close to the shoreline, or if you are adjacent to or near a large open area such as parkland, you are C2.
      If you have a spectacular view, and/or you are above 15m AHD (eg any site that carries a premium price) then don’t risk it.
      Also – any structure that has an impermeable roof needs a building permit in Queensland – no exemption for 10m2 or less. 3x3m sheds regularly take off like kites and are never seen again, except by whoever they land on. Small animal enclosures and machine boxes for water pumps might be exempt, but cubby houses in city areas are not exempt.
      As cyclones rotate clock-wise, the impact is greater if you are south of it rather than north.
      Steel sheet roofs don’t usually come off, but some in Debbie were obviously not fixed properly.
      Tiled roofs are dodgy. EVERY tile has to secured according to code. If just one is incorrectly secured, the whole lot can come off.
      Gutters come off. Gutters are not sized to cope with the maximum intensity of rainfall. Roll-up and up-over garage doors, if older than 5 years, are likely to come off unless packed out both sides.
      Download and read the CTS reports on Cyclones Larry, Yasi and Marcia, and on Debbie when it comes out in a few weeks time.

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        Forgot an important one:
        Don’t go into or play in flood waters. Flow intensities may be higher than you think. There may be hidden obstacles or drops. And the water will USUALLY contain untreated sewage.

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          Two more:
          There may have been a shark washed up dead near Bowen, but crocks can handle floods ok and will take advantage of muddy water.
          If you are clearing up broken vegetation or carting it away, bear in mind that green ants don’t like cyclones, and, like their two-legged namesakes, they blame them on humans.
          That’s it I’ll shut up and go away now …

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    Have you ever tried to explain to people why wind power is intermittent, and what that means.

    This last Month detailing the comparison between Hazelwood and Wind power, showed me also that no matter how many wind plants you construct, they will NEVER equal the reliability, the constancy, and the total power able to be delivered by coal fired power ….. let alone to actually replace coal fired power.

    I have a new Post for you all to read at the following link, and if you ever get stuck trying to explain it it to others, then use this as a reference.

    Why Wind Power Is Not Equal To Coal Fired Power

    Tony.

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      tom0mason

      Have left you a comment about ‘load following’ and how it is misunderstood by those that know no better…

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      Greebo

      Thank you Tony. OK to reblog it?

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        Greebo,

        that was the intent of writing it, for people to refer to it, and use it when trying to explain to others how wind power is pretty much useless.

        Think of how much money was spent on EVERY wind plant constructed in Australia over the last 14 years, and that’s ALL of them, and all those wind plants cannot even equal the power generated by ONE medium sized coal fired power plant from four levels of technology ago.

        They complain about the cost of a new HELE (USC) coal fired power plant being so huge that no one would want to invest in its construction, and yet they will (without any knowledge at all) advocate that we spend ten times that same amount of money to construct wind plants that will not even come close to generating the same power as that ONE coal fired plant.

        Tony.

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          David Maddison

          Also, windmill electricity needs to be understood as dirty power – in electrical and electronic terms it is dirty due to its constantly varying, unpredictable nature which requires substantial resources to manage – and even then it very likely makes no net energy contribution, and is likely a net drain of power on the grid.

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            OriginalSteve

            Maybe they need to install a large flywheel-like device at the base of the wind tower to even out the fluctuations…oh hang on…..I heard someone in Hazelwood was selling some….

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          Greebo

          that was the intent of writing it, for people to refer to it, and use it when trying to explain to others how wind power is pretty much useless.

          Thought so, Tony, just being polite.

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      James

      Thanks for your posts on PA Pundits. I have been following the output of the Hazelwood plant until the shut it down. I will read about the wind a bit later on.

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        James,

        I finally finished the Hazelwood Post last night, after 34 days of data recording.

        It took every wind plant in Australia four extra days after Hazelwood closed its eight Units to catch up to the total power generated by Hazelwood in 30 days.

        Tony.

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      Rod Stuart

      The other day I was asked about my opinion of the Trumble Snowy II scheme, and I responded that it is a waste of an unknown amount of money.
      I explained that for an enormous amount of dosh, it does not address the problem, because in fact it would a drag on the production of electricity to the tune of 20% losses.
      The counter argument launched then was that I was wrong be cause it meant the water could be used over and over!
      I responded that it is not the water itself, but the potential energy of the water at altitude that is exploited. Once the water is near sea level that energy has been harvested.
      Do you think that I could impress upon this individual (and no fool) that the scheme is nothing more than an inefficient battery.
      Oh no, you can’t be right, because it is impossible to believe that a government department could propose nonsense! There MUST be ‘experts’ that can show that this scheme is worth the money.
      How much money? Remember the NBN was a thought bubble hatched by two [snip] on a napkin and intended to cost $4 billion; not $70 billion.
      No wonder Joe public does not know what to believe. Especially with the ALL BS Corp screaming that Engie shut Hazelwood down because it was old and dirty!

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      And you just have to laugh when @irhead$ like Nick Xenophon run around like ch00ks with their head$ l0pped 0ff saying that a proposed CSP plant (solar thermal) for Port Augusta can provide ‘baseload’ power.

      Australia’s Base Load (two words, Nick, two words) is 18,000MW.

      The only CSP plant on the whole of Planet Earth to supply power for the full 24 hours was one plant in Spain, that generated just a tick under 20MW, and it only did that for 34 days, and even that plant just closes up during the Winter Months.

      20MW versus 18,000MW.

      Here’s the list for all of those CSP plants. (at this link) Look at any one of them, and see just how useless they really are. Also, note that almost EVERY one of them uses Natural gas to start up the daily process, and not in small amounts either.

      In actual fact, when you total the whole lot of them up, they ALL have the same average Capacity Factor as for wind power, around 30%.

      They cannot supply, and will never be able to supply constant reliable power on the same scale as ANY coal fired power plant.

      Tony.

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        Rod Stuart

        Damned true, Tony.
        The trouble is these @irheads vomit this nonsense and the greens lap it up!
        No wonder the voters send such cretins to the talkfest. The should all be sent to the Crowbar Hotel instead!

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          Have you ever noticed that when it comes to the generation of electrical power, the only people who are ever used for expert commentary are economists and politicians.

          The very second that anyone with an actual qualification in electrical engineering dares to make any form of comment, he gets howled down, umm, by economists and politicians.

          Tony.

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            joseph

            Tony,

            Here is a link to the site of a company wanting to install a wind farm in the southern Flinders Ranges in South Australia.

            I’ve heard it will have the tallest and largest (and most expensive?) generators in Australia so far, if it gets the go ahead.

            You posted of your interest in knowing of any proposed sites and
            so here’s one to check out.

            http://crystalbrookenergypark.com.au/

            Cheers

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            OriginalSteve

            Yes…I notice certain tame and house trained economists in all the “occasionally independent” newspapers all of a sudden know everything about everything….so the sheeple don’t get startled and bolt…

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          Note also that the Australian regulator, the AEMO was the DEFINITIVE, respected, and the goto source for anything to do with electrical power generation for so long now.

          And then, when they told the truth about what happens with the grid, and what happened with the blackouts in South Australia, well, all of a sudden ….. The system is broken.

          Yep!

          Let the economists and politicians run the grid, They know it all.

          Tony.

          PostScript – Say, can anyone recall what John Galt was working on prior to upping sticks and withdrawing his abilities? (It, umm, wouldn’t have been an electrical engineering project, now would it?)

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        Robert Rosicka

        No Tony they won’t but the investers will harvest a steady amount of cash

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      PeterS

      The shocking reality though is the Greens actually believe we can and should close down all our coal fired power stations and run only on wind and solar. I will never understand how and why anyone would vote for them. They must hate Australia and want it destroyed.

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        It’s not that PeterS.

        They have absolutely no clue whatsoever, and because they know everything, then they have no reason to actually ask questions of someone who actually does know.

        Tony.

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          PeterS

          True they have no clue but they do have an agenda. Two totally different things. Their agenda is a socialist dictatorship. The real scary part is a small minority of Australian voters are willing to go along with their plan. But then again that’s not the real issue since despite many Australians being asleep they are not that foolish to go along with the Greens. The real issue is we are being let down badly by both the ALP and the LNP. That’s the real hidden monster – the gradual destruction of our Australian way of life as compared to the quick destruction plan by the Greens. The end result is not much different – the timing is the only real major difference. It’s going to be a lot harder for Australians to wake up to the real monster. Time will tell if it’s a lost cause. We will know soon enough – possibly in a few years.

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        David Maddison

        They must hate Australia and want it destroyed.

        That’s the plan.

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      Rob Leviston

      Tony, a little off topic, but I have noticed that the Macarthur windfarm seems to peak at only 50% capacity! That is, when the wind is blowing, it hits 50%, and then flatlines. Any idea why this is the case?
      I have also noticed that the Ararat windfarm appears to be a poor performer! Guess there was much more hype than substance!

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        John F. Hultquist

        Maybe it is this:
        According to Betz’s law, no turbine can capture more than 16/27 (59.3%) of the kinetic energy in wind.

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    el gordo

    Beijing says they can bring about a revolution in Pakistan with dirty brown coal.

    http://www.sltrib.com/home/5125912-155/chinese-workers-dig-in-pakistan-desert

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      PeterS

      Odd how the rest of the world is using more and more coal of any kind and building hundreds of new power stations to use the coal yet we are destroying ours. I am sill hoping Australians will wake up and force both major parties to change direction or else become extinct but it’s becoming more and more of a dream rather than reality. The ever increasing costs of electricity and gas should soon wake them up but then again I’m wondering if their skulls are so thick they won’t complain.

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        el gordo

        ‘….it’s becoming more and more of a dream rather than reality.’

        This is our darkest hour, but let’s not despair because things can turnaround very quickly in politics.

        Essentially we need a debate, not on the energy but the science of climate change, and I select Cory Bernardi (ACP) as someone who could pick up the mantle.

        With the help of Gina they could run candidates in the Reps and senate, with the science of real climate change featuring strongly on the ACP platform. This is pure wishful thinking but ….

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        el gordo

        AGW is “a form of socialism.”

        “We have to expose the flaws of the IPCC conclusions and methodology” then “package it up into political sound bites”.

        “My role, and I hope you will share it, is to distill the essence of these arguments and put them into something that the Australian people can understand.”

        Cory Bernardi

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          PeterS

          Sorry but the debates have come and gone and the the IPCC’s flaws have already been exposed a long time ago. Change can only happen when the back pockets of Australians really start hurting, businesses fail, the national debt explodes over a trillion, unemployment rises catastrophically and poor pensioners start to die due to lack of heating or cooling. These are all the result mostly of higher energy costs. It’s that simple. In fact it’s a far easier way to destroy a nation than to invade it using military force.

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            el gordo

            ‘Sorry but the debates have come and gone and the the IPCC’s flaws have already been exposed a long time ago.’

            Yes, but it hasn’t entered the MSM robustly, Cory is our front man and we need to feed him lines on the science, like CO2 does not cause global warming.

            If the energy system fails because of zealot politicians, then the people will judge them harshly at the ballot box.

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            el gordo

            “I need to be a catalyst for change.”

            Cory Bernardi

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        Mickey Reno

        Imagine if every dollar spent on studying and mitigating CO2 emissions had instead been invested in cheaply and reliably scrubbing soot from coal flues? How much cleaner would the world’s air be, today? I’m guessing a lot. China and India would, of course, be the largest beneficiaries, but South Australia might get in on the bargain, too, if some of the voters down under would just realize they’ve been voting for Unicorn farts and stop doing that.

        Here’s a demotivational poster I made:

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          Mickey Reno

          Continuing in the vein of ridiculing those who believe wind mills will reliably and cheaply power modern society, here’s a joke:

          Pegasus, a unicorn, and a wind turbine walked into the posh beach resort where COP-25 was being hosted and headed for the registration table. As Pegasus registered, he asked for the “Magical Thinking” discount. Hmmm, what are you, asked the clerk? I am Pegasus, flying steed, famed in mythology and fantasy the world over. OK, fine, said the clerk, you’re all checked in. Your discount is 100%. The unicorn, who hadn’t known about this, was very pleasantly surprised, and also asked for the “Magical Thinking” discount. The clerk looked at him and said, you’re not a horse wearing a cone on your head, are you? Oh no, you can tug on it if you like, said the unicorn. No, that’s fine, said the clerk. And he too, was granted the 100% discount. The wind turbine was next, and knowing that he really didn’t provide cheap, reliable power that a lot of people thought he did, also asked for the “Magical Thinking” discount. The clerk looked him over and said, no, as you’re not mythological or anything, I can only give you the “Wishful Thinking” discount. Well, that’s great, said the wind turbine, at least I’ll save something. Uh, no, you don’t understand, said the clerk. Your discount quadruples your registration fee.

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          Mickey Reno

          More joking:

          Future News: Adelaide, Australia, 2100 CE. As the somewhat undignified practice of chasing unicorns and collecting their magical farts became popular during the middle stages of the 21st century, an uptick in pranking was also noticed by the historical committee in their analysis of old video footage. Many a would-be harvester can be seen running up behind a unicorn with his (or her) gas-collection hardware, only to realize that he (or she) had been tricked by a horse sporting a selfie stick on his (or her) forehead. The horses in question seemed to delight in then dropping a full load on the shoes of the harvesters, dashing the hopes of the harvesters, and changing a pleasant and beneficial capture of magical gas, into an unpleasant and shocking cleaning problem. When queried about this behavior, the horses complained of and demanded an end to “Unicorn Privilege.” There is convincing evidence that this was all later documented on what appears to be a serious and scholarly web site called “1st World Horse Problems,” the contents of which, unfortunately, are lost to posterity..

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    toorightmate

    Not many countries have an April Fool for their Prime Minister.
    We in Australia sure do.

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      PeterS

      We may think of him as a fool but he is really a very clever man. He pretends to be a Liberal when in fact he is a leftist globalist trained by Goldman Sachs as distinct from a leftist nationalist. Both of which are deadly economically and anti-libertarian but the globalist variety can be more dangerous to the whole world.

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        toorightmate

        PeterS,
        Sorry old mate, but I did business directly with him on several occasions when he was with Macquarie Bank in the 1980s.
        It was hard to determine if he was bright because he could not and would not make a decision to save himself.
        I formed a very low opinion of him during those times and that opinion has worsened.
        I stand by my description – he is an April Fool.

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    Dennis

    The Weekend Australian

    JUDITH SLOAN
    Snowy 2.0 belongs in a Utopia script: the federal government must get serious right away.

    [paywall]

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    a must-read:

    1 Apr: Townhall: Paul Driessen: Pretend Conservatives for Fake Clean Energy
    More and more conservatives are proclaiming the virtues of clean energy. At least that’s what some groups want you to believe. In reality, far-left “charitable” foundations have given pretend conservatives millions of dollars to advance a climate chaos, renewable energy agenda – channeling the funds through intermediary groups, to OxiClean the transactions and limit transparency and accountability.
    The huge Green Profiteers Network has to be at least somewhat bipartisan to ensure continued mandates, renewable portfolio standards, production and investment tax credits, regulatory exemptions and other subsidies that have madeClimate Crisis, Inc. a $1.5-trillion international business. With global financial and insurance giants allying with that crowd and determined to procure some $93 trillion (!) by 2030 to create a “de-carbonized” and “sustainable” world economy, the effort has intensified.
    But now it must contend with President Donald Trump…READ ALL
    https://townhall.com/columnists/pauldriessen/2017/04/01/pretend-conservatives-for-fake-clean-energy-n2307195?utm_source=thdaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl&newsletterad=

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    el gordo

    ‘The Turnbull Government has just appointed a new ABC chairman, Justin Milne, who absurdly claims the ABC has no bias and he has nothing to fix.

    ‘As Chris Kenny says, the Turnbull Government has just destroyed the last chance for at least five years to get a chairman who will demand the ABC be impartial or balanced.

    ‘In fact, given Labor will be back in power by the time the chairman’s term is up, I expect no change to the ABC’s bias for at least a decade.’

    Andrew Bolt

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      PeterS

      Turnbull has defended and will keep defending the ABC because to do otherwise would upset his goal to turn this nation into a democratic socialist state with globalist attributes.

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        el gordo

        This is not an organised conspiracy, but I see your drift. Brian Cox is Aunty’s front man and wants to maintain the impression that the Denialati are fringe dwellers.

        ‘Professor Cox now tells ABC News the best way to tackle people who reject the science might be to not engage them at all.

        “In general, it’s not a good idea to engage in people who are obstinate in that way,” he says.’

        ABC

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          PeterS

          Ignorance is the real disease, conspiracies or what every one likes to call them are just the symptoms not the cause. People are by nature lazy creatures and will believe almost anything they are told by the MSM, Universities, scientists and even politicians. Critical thinking is really lacking in today’s society, and in fact is strongly discouraged in particular of all places schools and Universities. What this eventually means is the gradual decay and demise of our society. It doesn’t last long – typically history teaches us a new civilisation goes through a growth period accompanied by great wealth and prosperity for all but after it reaches its peak it declines and eventually collapses. The whole process takes about 200-300 years. Modern Western society is well into that period and very close to expiry. This is human nature and it won’t ever change until some external agent drives it to a different path.

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            el gordo

            ‘Ignorance is the real disease ….’

            The task before us is to enlighten the masses and stop civilisation going down the gurgler, how hard could it be?

            As we have discussed many times before, sophisticated propaganda and PC groupthink has brainwashed millions into submission. I was in Sydney on the weekend and people were complaining about the long March wet and I remarked that it hasn’t been this wet since 1892 and everyone burst out laughing.

            They see weather in a linear fashion and climate didn’t exist before 1900, so we have a huge battle on our hands to convince ignorant people they have got it badly wrong.

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    PeterS

    Time for a new forum package – one that also allows the OP to edit and delete their posts.

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    Egor the One

    We need to rid ourselves of all global warmers that have connived themselves into positions of power and authority to enforce this masquerade.

    Tyrant TurnBull, Despot Dan, and Windmill Weatherill, all need to be ousted just for starters, closely followed by 100% funding cuts of the ABC and SBS Marxist Medias, and in particular all so called global warmer ‘Authoritarian’ bodies of BSers living off of forced taxpayer funding, such as the medieval Climate Clanger (so called)’Authority’!
    In fact anything with the words ‘global warming’ or ‘climate change’, within its title.

    The ‘Intermittent Toy Energy Forced Funding’(the RET), needs to be abolished, and especially all our ties severed with the International Marxist Conglomerate of Unelected Nutters(the U.N.), the first step of this being the ‘Tearing Up of the Paris CAGW BS agreement’ .
    And do it in short order: no 2 year BS like Brexit is in an obvious attempted watering down of the giving the EU parasites the boot.

    Also the the deregistration of the Anti-Australian so called Greens Party.

    We are obviously surrounded by swamps and ‘things’ from the swamps.

    Let the draining commence. If Not ,then Paul Keating’s 3rd world Banana Republic will be realized……….!

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      Actually, cooling in Germany is well-established

      Station At Germany’s Highest Summit Measures Midwinter Cooling Of Over -3°C Over Past 30 Years!

      It is a bit ironic that the country that has wasted most resources on fake Green endeavors has the least need to do so.

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        Rollo

        Alfred says 35.1

        Actually, cooling in Germany is well-established

        Station At Germany’s Highest Summit Measures Midwinter Cooling Of Over -3°C Over Past 30 Years!

        It is a bit ironic that the country that has wasted most resources on fake Green endeavors has the least need to do so.

        There is no irony here Alfred, this proves that German climate mitigation activities have reduced temperature. /s

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        el gordo

        Unmistakable regional cooling signal.

        ‘At 9 minutes into the Saturday Summary, Joe debunks claims that the months of February have been getting warmer over the years (a claim that is also often made about Europe, which is false). Joe shows that the recent 10 years (2007 – 2017) in fact “have been getting colder” and were much cooler than the previous 1996 – 2006 years.’

        See more at: http://notrickszone.com/#sthash.a6mInSji.dpuf

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    pat

    31 Mar: TheAtlantic: Christine Todd Whitman: I Ran George W. Bush’s EPA — and Trump’s Cuts to the Agency Would Endanger Lives
    The president’s funding proposal would significantly reduce resources for programs that mitigate air pollution and protect the Great Lakes
    This “hard-power budget,” aimed at “decreasing the power of government in Americans’ lives,” as Trump said on the campaign trail, poses a threat to the health and well-being of all Americans. As Congress considers its own spending proposals to counter the president’s, lawmakers must reject Trump’s cuts to the EPA — for the sake of all Americans’ health.
    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/03/trumps-epa-cuts-budget/521223/

    1 Apr: NJ.com: Christie Whitman: Trump’s EPA cuts put lives at risk
    by Brent Johnson
    Whitman, a Republican who served as governor from 1994 to 2001, made the declarations in an op-ed she wrote that was published by The Atlantic magazine on Friday…
    During the 2016 presidential campaign, she wrote a piece for Politico in which she compared Trump, a former Atlantic City casino magnate, to World War II Adolph Hitler and Benito Mussolini…

    VIDEO: 5mins07secs: 23 Mar: Bloomberg: Ex-EPA Chief Whitman Says GOP Must Get Serious on Climate
    Christie Todd Whitman, former administrator of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, discusses the work of a new Council on Foreign Relations-sponsored task force on protecting the arctic coast and her call for Republicans to take climate change seriously…
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2017-03-23/ex-epa-chief-whitman-on-climate-u-s-arctic-region-video

    Whitman Strategy Group
    The Whitman Strategy Group is a consulting firm that specializes in government relations and environmental and energy issues. The firm was founded by Christine Todd Whitman, former EPA Administrator and New Jersey governor, and several of her longtime top advisers who have held senior positions in federal and state government.
    We provide a range of advocacy services so that clients are better positioned to manage regulatory developments, shape public policy, and work with federal, regional and state regulators to meet business goals and enhance competitiveness. We also provide Board-level advice to national and international companies interested in the regulatory future of environmental issues.
    Whitman Strategy Group partners are known and respected by regulators, lawmakers and officials at every level…

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    Rod Stuart

    Hydro Tasmania currently sucking 400 MW out of SA and Vic unicorn farts at $105.
    Incredible, since TVCC201 appears to be shut down, and capable of generation at less than half the price with the existing T or P fuel contract in place.

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      Rod Stuart

      And even stranger the Trent is on, and it is less efficient than the CC plant.
      The truth is stranger than fiction.

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    pat

    comment in moderation beginning with: “31 Mar: TheAtlantic: Christine Todd Whitman: I Ran George W. Bush’s EPA — and Trump’s Cuts to the Agency Would Endanger Lives”

    just a “mistake”:

    30 Mar: The Hill: Timothy Cama: EPA mistakenly criticizes Trump’s executive order
    The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) apologized Thursday after mistakenly sending a news release that criticized President Trump’s executive order on climate change policies.
    In the release, the EPA included quotes praising Trump’s Tuesday order to start undoing former President Barack Obama’s climate actions, but it misattributed a negative statement to Sen. Shelley Moore Capito (R-W.Va.).

    “With this Executive Order, President Trump has chosen to recklessly bury his head in the sand. Walking away from the Clean Power Plan and other climate initiatives, including critical resiliency projects is not just irresponsible — it’s irrational,” it quoted Capito as saying.
    “Today’s executive order calls into question America’s credibility and our commitment to tackling the greatest environmental challenge of our lifetime.”

    However, that statement actually came from Sen. Tom Carper (Del.), the top Democrat on the Environment and Public Works Committee and a harsh critic of Trump’s environmental agenda…

    ***The mistake came amid a rift between many of the EPA’s ***nonpolitical career employees and the ***political leaders appointed by Trump, including EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt…
    http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/326538-epa-mistakenly-criticizes-trumps-executive-order

    FakeNewsMSM dutifully parrots the meme:

    EPA Slams Trump’s Climate Change Policy — By Accident
    Huffington Post – ‎Mar 30, 2017‎

    E.P.A. Accidentally Issues Press Release Slamming Trump’s climate policy
    Vanity Fair-30 Mar. 2017

    EPA Email Error Miscasts Coal-Country Senator as Trump Critic
    Bloomberg – ‎Mar 30, 2017‎

    EPA tries to praise Trump’s climate order, ends up slamming him instead
    Washington Post-30 Mar. 2017

    apparently FakeNewsMSM never read this piece!

    22 Mar: Washington Beacon: Adam Kredo: Obama Admin Loyalists, Government Insiders Sabotage Trump White House
    Former admin planted series of landmines to subvert Trump team
    Behind the effort, these sources say, are senior government officials who previously worked under President Obama and remain loyal to his agenda. These individuals leak negative information about the Trump White House and its senior staff to a network of former Obama administration officials who then plant this information in key media outlets including the Washington Post and New York Times.

    Meanwhile, holdovers from the Obama administration are working to undermine the Trump administration’s agenda through efforts to ***alter official communications, a number of administration officials confirmed in conversations with the Washington Free Beacon.
    Multiple sources expressed concern over what they described as an unprecedented effort by the former administration to subvert President Donald Trump’s team…

    “We have members of the former administration at the highest levels who through their actions after January 20 have demonstrated their refusal to recognize the results of the general election,” one senior administration official told the Free Beacon. “They have pursued, organized, and managed a comprehensive subversion of the new administration.”…
    “They put landmines everywhere,” according to one senior administration official…

    “They have a network of journalists for whom they have served as sources and they have fed stuff to these journalists,” one senior U.S. official told the Free Beacon. “That’s what pretty obviously is going on. I’ve never seen this happen before. I’ve never heard of it happening throughout history.”…
    “The way it works is, one highly partisan journalist goes out on a limb in dishonestly characterizing the target. That dishonest story is used to build on the next, in which the original lie is taken as fact, and then repeated in an echo chamber until it becomes conventional wisdom” (said one longtime political consultant who is close to the White House NSC.)…
    http://freebeacon.com/politics/obama-admin-loyalists-government-insiders-sabotage-trump-white-house/

    30 Mar: Breitbart: Joel B. Pollak: ‘Deep State’ Suspected in EPA Press Release ‘Error’
    Last week, the Washington Free Beacon’s Adam Kredo reported an ongoing effort by Obama loyalists to sabotage the Trump administration by, among other methods, altering press releases…

    31 Mar: BlastingNews: Marlin Bressi: Obama loyalists sabotage EPA press release
    Last week Kredo published an article claiming that Obama loyalists had planted “a series of landmines” to disrupt the incoming administration. Kredo maintains that career bureaucrats hired or appointed by Obama are the ones leaking sensitive information to confederates in the media…
    The Washington Free Beacon’s reporting and The Hill’s acknowledgment of a rift between Trump’s White House and Obama loyalists, however, seems to suggest that the D.C. swamp is crawling with career employees who will do anything and everything to sabotage the new president…

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    el gordo

    March precipitation, BoM bombs.

    http://www.warwickhughes.com/blog/?p=5061

    They didn’t see a late cyclone coming, which is fair enough, but what has caused that excessive wet in West Oz?

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    pat

    two comment in moderation.

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    Mark M

    Lateline, 16 March, 2017:

    6.05sec, David Lipson: “Do we need another inter-connector though to get to South Australia?
    It’s a long way to go around and, as you know, electricity is lost the further it goes.
    Do we need another inter-connector between NSW and South Australia?”
    Truffles Turnbull: “Well, there is a case being made for that.”
    ~ ~ ~
    Perhaps they could connect South Australia’s new inter-connector to this:

    $236m RENEWABLE ENERGY BOOST FOR CENTRAL WEST NEW SOUTH WALES
    http://www.joshfrydenberg.com.au/guest/mediaReleasesDetails.aspx?id=330

    Central west New South Wales will receive a boost in renewable energy, with the development of a $236 million 113 MW wind farm, near Wellington.

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    pat

    this has been mentioned, but without any link. this is the original.

    ***”on carbon”? so much editing, yet so much FakeNews!

    31 Mar: Reuters: Emily Flitter: EPA scientific integrity office reviewing Pruitt’s comments ***on carbon
    (Editing by Richard Valdmanis, Steve Orlofsky and Bill Rigby)
    The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency’s scientific integrity watchdog is reviewing whether EPA chief Scott Pruitt violated the agency’s policies when he said in a television interview he does not believe carbon dioxide is driving global climate change, according to an email seen by Reuters on Friday…
    Lawyers for environmental group the Sierra Club had asked the EPA’s Office of Inspector General to check whether Pruitt violated policy when he told a CNBC interviewer on March 9, “I would not agree that it’s a primary contributor to the global warming that we see.”

    The EPA Inspector General’s office responded to the Sierra Club on Thursday in an email, saying it had referred the matter to the EPA’s Scientific Integrity Officer, Francesca Grifo, for review.
    “If after the SIO review, she concludes there is some aspect of the letter itself, or her findings or conclusions that she believes are appropriate for further consideration by the OIG, she will so notify the OIG,” the email stated.

    A spokeswoman for the EPA defended Pruitt’s comments.
    “Administrator Pruitt makes no apologies for having a candid dialogue about climate science and commonsense regulations that will protect our environment, without creating unnecessary regulatory burdens that kill jobs,” said Liz Bowman in an emailed statement.
    “Differing views and opinions on scientific and technical matters is a legitimate and necessary part of EPA’s decision-making process, which is consistent with EPA’s scientific integrity policy that was in place even during the Obama administration,” she added.

    The EPA website says its scientific integrity policy requires EPA officials and staff to ensure the agency’s work respects the findings of the broader scientific community.
    An overwhelming majority of scientists think that carbon dioxide emissions from the burning of fossil fuels are a major contributor to global climate change, triggering sea level rise, droughts and more frequent violent storms…

    ***Grifo is a biologist who was hired by former President Barack Obama’s administration. Before she joined the EPA in late 2013, she oversaw scientific integrity at the Union of Concerned Scientists, a ***non-partisan group advocating stronger environmental protections.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-epa-pruitt-carbon-idUSKBN1722SU

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    pat

    1 Apr: Bloomberg: Andrew Childers: EPA Strikes Guidance to States on Clean Power Plan
    Following President Donald Trump’s March 28 executive order directing the Environmental Protection Agency to review its various climate change regulations, the agency canceled proposed guidance to states and model emissions trading rules (RIN:2060–AS47) for implementing the Clean Power Plan and an accompanying proposal (RIN:2060-AS84) that would reward states for taking early steps to curb carbon dioxide emissions before the rule was to take effect, according to a notice (LINK) to be published in the Federal Register April 3.

    “The EPA believes it should use this time to re-evaluate these [Clean Power Plan]-related proposals and, if appropriate, put out re-proposals or new proposals to ensure that the public is commenting on EPA’s most up-to-date thinking on these issues,” the agency said…READ ON
    https://www.bna.com/epa-strikes-guidance-n57982086092/

    3 Mar: Reuters: Britain’s Ofgem winds up support scheme for new renewable projects
    by Oleg Vukmanovic in Milan
    Britain’s energy regulator Ofgem on Friday closed one of the main support mechanisms for large-scale renewable electricity projects to new developers.
    Since it was set up in 2002, the Renewable Obligation scheme helped boost the share of Britain’s electricity generated from low-carbon energy to 23.5 percent from 1.3 percent, Ofgem said…

    The government has reined in subsidies on renewable energy projects since 2015, including ending support for onshore wind farms. When announcing the cuts, the government said it wanted renewable energy projects to compete on a commercial basis…

    The government is also under pressure to curb rising energy bills with some 2.3 million of Britain’s 27 million households deemed fuel poor, meaning the cost of heating their homes leaves them with income below the poverty line…
    http://www.reuters.com/article/britain-ofgem-renewables-idUSL5N1H85IH

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    clipe

    Taking advantage of unthreaded. Plus I spent my childhood alongside the Firth of Forth.


    Flora – Firth of Fifth
    (Genesis Cover)

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    clipe

    I just this minute came in as post #49 out of #60.

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      David Maddison

      Yes, I noticed something has gone wrong with the numbering again and I think some comments disappeared.

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    James

    There is an interesting article in the Washington Times about the Nuclear Fuel supply for Ukraine. The other interesting news is Westinghouse has now gone into chapter 11 bankruptcy.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/mar/30/ukrainian-corruption-casts-nuclear-pall-over-all-e/

    Ukraine also has a problem with its coal supply. Their coal mines are in occupied territory. So they have their own power problems of a different kind.

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      “Their coal mines are in occupied territory”

      Occupied by their own inhabitants – 2.5 million of whom were compelled by daily bombardment to move to Russia as refugees.

      These inhabitants were selling their coal to the regimen of Kiev – until the Nazis of the West of that “country” stopped these shipments.

      What the Christian Science Monitor calls “rebels” are people who do not wish to be “ethnically-cleansed”

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      PeterS

      Well it’s possible our coal mines will one day be occupied too – by the Chinese. Instead of us building a strong nation we are letting it be destroyed, partly thanks to the unions.

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    clipe

    Now back to #44

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    pat

    1 Apr: MarketsDail: US Department of the Interior Reopens Coal Mining Operations
    Trump Administration Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke has just put an end to the Obama-era federal moratorium on coal-mining leases…
    In short, Zinke said—briefly before signing the order—”The coal moratorium that was set in place … is a waste of money.”…
    “We feel strongly that the current process on reviewing coal is appropriate. Rather than doing the social cost of carbon, you have to look at the social cost of not having a job too. All of us want clean air and clean water. And we’re going to make sure we ensure that.”

    Now, Federal land accounts for roughly 40 percent of the country’s coal production operations, as well as more than 30 percent of its reserves. This includes areas like the Powder River Basin, in Montana and Wyoming, which is the most productive coal region in the United States…
    http://www.themarketsdaily.com/2017/04/01/us-department-of-the-interior-reopens-coal-mining-operations.html

    end of the war on coal…for those who haven’t seen it.
    don’t miss the last few minutes with the coal miners:

    Youtube: 12mins47secs: WATCH: President Trump Signs Executive EPA Orders
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mAVUdISQhA

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    David Maddison

    Over the years I have encountered a number of people who have refused to use microwave ovens because they thought they would make the food radioactive.

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      John F. Hultquist

      Maybe that is because I tell people I “nuke” my food.
      Should I not do that?
      In fact, irradiation does not make foods radioactive, either.
      However, if you feed chocolate to hens, they might lay brown eggs.

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        Graeme No.3

        John F. Hultquist

        But will they taste like chocolate?

        O/T I know that feeding hens marigold flowers results in them having yellow fat deposits (apparently a selling point). Do you know what can be fed to get brown shell eggs, or is it all genetics?

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          Greebo

          Do you know what can be fed to get brown shell eggs, or is it all genetics?

          You just need to write “free range” on the carton…

          Seriously, it usually comes down to the variety of chook. ISA browns lay brown eggs no matter what you feed ‘em;

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISA_Brown

          So, yes, genetics….

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        Greebo

        Why not? Plenty of chocolate eggs in the shops.

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    pat

    what a pompous little ??

    2 Apr: ABC: Scientist Brian Cox on Trump’s America, that Q&A episode and mankind leaving Earth
    By Daniel Miller
    Humanity will develop a more collaborative mindset when it starts to reach to Mars and beyond, Professor Cox says…

    (Q&A/Malcolm Roberts) Professor Cox now tells ABC News the best way to tackle people who reject the science might be to not engage them at all.
    “In general, it’s not a good idea to engage in people who are obstinate in that way,” he says.
    “There’s a debate that goes on in the scientific community about this.”…
    “You essentially elevate them to a level they should not be at. You present to the public the impression that there is a legitimate debate to be had,” he says…

    “I’m two minds.” (sic)
    “Programs like Q&A, they’re almost pantomime in a sense. There’s clearly no time to debate the detail of a complex idea such as climate change.
    “So really it comes down to an impressionistic game. Who do the viewers trust, who appears more plausible? It’s a difficult position to be in actually.
    “I don’t know the answer really. I can see both sides of the argument [on whether you should debate these people].”

    Professor Cox says scientists refine their understanding when new knowledge is acquired, so there is no “dogma” or “truths” in science.
    He says it is “ludicrous” for people to dismiss scientific consensus…

    Is NASA and climate science under threat in Trump’s America?
    “Yep”…
    “We’re talking about blustering people, people who are overconfident and have no humility, who don’t think. That’s the sort of person who says ‘I know better than these people who study these things’. It’s nonsensical.”…

    The answer to the threat of scientific ignorance is education, he says.
    “It’s making sure we invest in education so the citizens in our democratic societies can take sensible decisions and see these people for the charlatans that they are.”
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-02/brian-cox-on-malcolm-roberts-donald-trump-and-space-travel/8406188

    more ABC pantomime for Brian (side promo):

    ABC and iview April 4-6: Stargazing Live
    Professor Brian Cox and Julia Zemiro will be joined by scientists and personalities to inspire Australia to explore our solar system. Live from Siding Spring Observatory they will tackle astronomy’s most intriguing questions.

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      Peter C

      Professor Cox says one view is that it can be counterproductive to try to argue with people who disregard the scientific consensus.

      “You essentially elevate them to a level they should not be at. You present to the public the impression that there is a legitimate debate to be had,” he says.

      Professor Cox seems to have a similar understandfing of Science to that of Dr Michael Mann.

      Dr Mann seems to think that the scientific method involves some sort of contest of ideas and that progress is made when a concensus is reached.
      http://joannenova.com.au/2017/03/curry-christy-pielke-and-mann-testify/#comment-1903286

      Neither Cox nor Mann mentions that the scientific method involves checking the predictions of Theory against reality!

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      Forrest Gardener

      Quote: We’re talking about blustering people, people who are overconfident and have no humility, who don’t think.

      Yep. Cox and Mann are right at the top of the list.

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    pat

    won’t accept Brexit, won’t accept US election result either!

    1 Apr: Herald Scotland: Paul Hutcheon: Sturgeon to sign climate change agreement with California
    NICOLA Sturgeon is expected to sign a joint agreement with the Governor of California this week on tackling climate change.
    The First Minister will pledge to work with Democrat Jerry Brown in a move that will be seen as the pair taking a symbolic stand against President Trump’s anti-environment policies…

    It is understood that no meetings with officials in the Trump administration are scheduled. However, Sturgeon’s key meeting on climate change is likely to be seen as a pointed rebuttal of Trump and his policies.

    The US accounts for 36% of inward investment projects to Scotland, and America has long been considered to be a valued export partner.
    Sturgeon’s trade trip will attempt to drum up business for Scotland, but she will also attempt to assert her progressive credentials…

    Sturgeon’s administration recently outlined a new target of reducing greenhouse gas emissions by 66% by 2032.
    In the same time-frame, the Government also wants a fully-decarbonised electricity sector and 80% of domestic heat to come from low-carbon technologies…
    While in California, Sturgeon is also expected to appear at a panel event for Scottish universities, which will also be attended by President Obama’s former Energy Secretary Steven Chu…

    The First Minister’s itinerary also includes a slot at the Women in the World gathering in New York. Other attendees include Scarlett Johansson, (Hillary) Clinton – who lost the presidential contest to Trump – Chinese billionaire Zhang Xin and Trudeau…
    http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15197915.Sturgeon_to_sign_climate_change_agreement_with_California/

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    David Maddison

    Interesting factoid. I wish all those that believed in electric cars and grid batteries knew this:

    “There are 10 million Joules in an ounce of fuel, there are 10 thousand Joules in a AA battery (that weighs .8 of an ounce).”

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    Rob Leviston

    Just had a good watch of Lord Monckton’s address to the Heartland Institute on climate sensitivity. Good way to spend an hour! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebokc6z82cg

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    Rob Leviston

    Is there any way to see how much power is being transferred by the various interconnectors? I regularly use the anero.id site, but it doesn’t appear to show the interconnectors, unless I am missing something? Cheers!

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    Another Ian

    For something different


    G | April 2, 2017 2:08 AM | Reply

    April fools day,from Russia with love:
    The audio is first in Russian, then English:

    ‘You have reached the Russian embassy, your call is very important to us. To arrange a call from a Russian diplomat to your political opponent, press 1. To use the services of Russian hackers press 2. To request election interference , press 3 and wait until the next election campaign. Please note that all calls are recorded for quality improvement and training purposes.’

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2017/04/reader-tips-3796.html#comment-1097429

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      Andrew McRae

      Okay, I’ll go there, just for fun.

      To use the services of Russian hackers press 2.
      To request election interference , press 3 and wait until the next election campaign.

      To prevent destruction of Western civilisation from 9th century invaders, press 4 holding the line.
      For a golden shower, press Oh!

      Okay sorry, I know this is a G-rated blog, but the young`uns everybody shouldn’t know what that is anyway.

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        Peter C

        Petition to reclassify a religion to a political movement.
        https://thestoryofmohammed.blogspot.com.au/p/re.html

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          Andrew McRae

          I guess you better petition for Christianity to be reclassified as a political movement by the same reasoning.
          Exhibit A: The Bible has been used as basis for several tenets of Western common law. http://www.jubilee-centre.org/the-bible-and-politics-by-nick-spencer/
          Exhibit B: The bible forbids national debt. http://www.realbiblestudy.com/?p=180
          Exhibits C through X: A bunch of other political directives are in there. http://www.realbiblestudy.com/?cat=379

          It should not be controversial that Christianity, in addition to whatever else it might be, is also a political movement. As Hitchens (PBUH) pointed out, religion was our first attempt at a lot things, such as art, poetry, philosophy, medicine, and politics.
          Exhibit Y: If you don’t think that threatening people with eternal fire if they don’t both love Jesus and follow all his directions, while having your bureaucrats offer to forgive their sins in this life if they toe the party line, isn’t altogether an implicitly political statement then you must not know what politics means.

          Phew, good thing our modern Parliament is a totally agnostic institution!
          Exhibit Z: No, just kidding, The Christian God is deified in the Australian Constitution and the official chaplain says Christian prayers at the commencement of every sitting of our Parliament.

          Prayers.
          In Parliament.
          What is this, the 14th century or something?
          No, the 1890s actually, because the Christians lobbied the proto-Federation asserting “God is the Supreme Ruler of the world, and the ultimate source of all law and authority in nations.” And that’s why we got official prayers in Parliament. Why we still have prayers in Parliament now, or any time after the Enlightenment of the 17th century, is beyond my understanding.

          Don’t make fools of yourselves with this monocular cherry picking reclassification stunt. Either put all the Abrahamic religions in the political box or don’t do it at all.

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            GI

            Even the one that promises paradise for the slaughter of innocents?

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            Graeme No.3

            Andrew:
            What about the millions of Australians praying for some catastrophe (?) to wipe out Canberra?
            During parliamentary sitting time of course.

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            C. Paul Barreira

            David Stove in Encounter (May 1990) and many others since have made an error in their understanding of the enlightenment in Britain. This is open to correction most ably so in Gertrude Himmelfarb, The Roads to Modernity: The British, French, and American Enlightenments (New York: Vintage, 2005). Australian, not least colonial, politics had a strong Christian component. This was perfectly natural given the origins of the great majority of immigrants. In time, politics was less influenced by (especially) Protestant Christianity than Protestants took much self-definition from politics, especially collectivist politics.

            During the Great Depression people decided that learning morality was an increasingly simple affair and gradually departed from Christian fellowship. Setting aside the extraordinary marriage boom from the late 1930s to the early 1970s this made a process of deChristianisation, many of the results of which we see around us now, not least regarding truthfulness.

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    pat

    not nearly as funny as the Russian Embassy joke:

    1 Apr: UK Telegraph: Adam Boult: April Fool! No, polar bears have not been spotted in Scotland
    This morning, the Daily Telegraph carried the sobering news that the World Wildlife Fund (WWF) had discovered a polar bear living on an island in the Outer Hebrides – suggested to be a sign that animals are fleeing the melting Arctic ice cap..
    However, not everything included in the story was a fabrication. It is true that, by 2050, polar bear numbers are expected to decline by as much as 30 per cent due to the rapid loss of sea ice unless climate change is halted.
    And it’s not just polar bears which are vulnerable: WWF’s Living Planet report 2016, found nearly one in six species are at risk of extinction from climate change.
    To help fund projects that protect polar bears and their habitat and reduce the impacts of climate change the public can find out how to adopt a polar bear with WWF at …
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/04/01/april-fool-no-polar-bears-have-not-spotted-scotland/

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      toorightmate

      If this species (me) hasn’t disappeared by 2050, it will be in the Guinness Book of Records for the oldest living human being.

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    Greebo

    Just wondering if there is a convenient way to search, and collect, posts by individuals on this blog. E.g., Ruairi’s brilliant limericks, or, and this is my interest, Tony’s posts on power generation. I would love to be able to refer back to them. I have no interest in them other than for my own benefit, and would never republish them anywhere else without permission. Any thoughts?

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    RAH

    Over here in the states;

    Weatherbell.com has released it’s preliminary 2017 Atlantic Hurricane forecast on the free side of it’s website. Last year they were spot on. This years map looks very much like last years with low ACE along the tropical Atlantic which is where most storms form. High ACE in the Gulf of Mexico and along the East coast making close in development or strengthening a possibility. It has been over 11 years since the Continental US has been hit by a Major (CAT III or higher)hurricane. The potential is there for that record to extend out to 12 years. No one alive today has seen such a long period without a major striking he shores of the lower 48.

    Concerning tornadoes. The last few years have been well below average in tornado incidence and severity but that string is ending this year. As of March 31st the NOAA Storm prediction center showed 430 Tornadoes detected year to date and that is well above the average. The adjusted scale shows the count year to date right at the maximum. http://www.spc.noaa.gov/wcm/

    Long range forecasts indicate it is going to be a far wetter than average year for almost all of the US and the potential for another bumper crop year is high.

    Most ski resorts in the Continental US have had excellent years. Great snow still in the east an in the west their talking about keeping many resorts open into July. Guess we’ll wait and see on that but anyway one cuts it, the many predictions of low snow totals ruining ski industry are once again busted in a big way.

    Most of this is of course very bad news for the climate change doomsayers. Mother nature just is not cooperating with their predictions or desires.

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    TdeF

    Any bets on whether the Red Thumber is called Fred?
    It has been a Weekend Unfredded.

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    john

    Liberal Boston Globe attacks the Constitution.

    The Constitution doesn’t mean what you think it means

    http://www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/2017/04/01/the-constitution-doesn-mean-

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    Andrew

    So with no Hazelwood, there will be no spare power in the People’s Republic of Victoria.

    Anyone know what the deal is with the interconnector? Is it a true national grid where the AMEO allocates supply where most needed? Or does the PRV get first dibs on their own power and the DPRSA ends up in a permanent blackout (it’s been an emergency every time the interconnector had gone down)?

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    Oliver K. Manuel

    I am pleased to report the paper, The Universe Is In Good Hands,” aka There Is A God,” was accepted for publication on 1 April 2017 to celebrate the Centennial of the birth of Paul Kazuo Kuroda on 1 April 1917.

    Václav Němec reminded me he is not an emeritus professor, as I had assumed, but the Father of GeoEthics. He has been actively trying to inform UN officials of the need to accept the reality of a benevolent universe over false, “97%-consensus models” of CO2-induced global warming.

    Thanks to JoNova and other climate skeptics, 1 April of future years may be officially known as KURODA DAY.

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    Rod Stuart

    Spot price in Tasmania $308.81, and that’s not just a spike. A couple of years ago it would sit at 10% of that day in and day out. I’m glad I have 15 tonne of firewood.

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      Robert Rosicka

      One thing about Tassie Rod , you have plenty of greenies to cuddle to keep warm in winter .

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        Graeme No.3

        What is their calorific value? Not worth thinking about, they are all thin vegans and the only fat is in their heads.

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    TdeF

    Graham Lloyd in the Australian again deliberately conflating low emissions with CO2 with super critical boilers in China

    “high efficiency low-emissions coal technology has been driven by global demand to reduce air pollution”..

    Then “Carbon dioxide emissions”.

    Now greater efficiency is fine, but destroying working really low emissions sub critical brown coal plants and putting our energy supply at fragile because something can output a little less CO2 is utter folly. The Chinese problem is real pollution, not CO2. Like all those people who bought Diesel on Green advice only to find themselves banned from cities because of their emissions.

    Apart from CO2, like diesels higher temperatures and higher pressures also change the chemistry of combustion. As Europe has discovered and all diesel suppliers knew, higher NO2 is dangerous where CO2 is not. So they lied. We are to believe much higher temperature boilers are not going to have different chemistry? Who said?

    What we had in Hazelwood was clean, essential and working 100% when it was closed because of this blatant conflation of ‘emissions’ and CO2. As Lloyd knows well, it is particulate matter which is the cause of terrible pollution in China’s major population centres. Not CO2. Why is he not making this clear? Destroying what you have for a Chinese pipe dream is pure folly.

    The cost to Australia is devastating, immediately after massive unused desalination plants. Zero benefit and a quarter century of pain while a river of our money flows quietly overseas to the Green Industrial complexes of China and Europe, aided and abetted by commentators who do not know the difference between CO2 and pollution.

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      TdeF

      Even the phrase ‘carbon dioxide emissions’ is deliberately prejudicial. Carbon Dioxide is not pollution. Otherwise all life on earth is pollution to the Greens. All based on twisted logic that CO2 warms the planet dangerously and kills Polar bears, devastates coral, melts Antarctica and so on. None of this is true.

      Graham, all life on earth burns to ashes because it is made from Carbon Dioxide and water. Neither are pollution. I suppose I am being super critical but the truth will out.

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      KinkyKeith

      Another Tour de Force.

      Never before in the field of human conflict
      have so many
      been fooled and scammed
      by so few.

      I give great credit to the scammers, they have achieved so much and withstood the onslaught of rational thinking, logic and science to fleece us and destroy our lives.

      Amazing.

      KK

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    David Maddison

    The slide show Jay Lehr showed Trump.

    https://youtu.be/9oNutgSa7U4

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      KinkyKeith

      I agree Gordon, it sounds weird.

      An admission, if you read between the lines, that they can’t integrate solar into the grid and can’t keep going with the present system.

      Still reads as the ode to renewables.

      Never give up.

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      Egor the One

      Fake News (Intermittent Toy Energy Propaganda)!

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      Graeme No.3

      Think in terms of a pig farm; the more food you add to the trough the more pigs can be fed. But they all want to be fed first.
      So it is with the solar producers who run only when the sun shines and need to get it used so they can collect the subsidy, so they drop the price – hence the claim that solar is getting cheaper. So many snouts are in the trough now that supply exceeds demand so some lose out. Kind hearted (and soft headed) Californians have decided that the public likes higher electricity prices so they are adding more cost to the system with batteries etc. i.e. bigger trough so more pigs arriving.

      NOTE: most of the solar suppliers are located outside California as are the hydro plants so California can pass regulations and laws but lack the ability to make them stick. The only ones who will suffer will be the gas and coal fired plants, so more blackouts as reliable sources of supply are closed down.

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    Curious George

    It is written by people with a zero knowledge.

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    pat

    2 Apr: Reuters: RPT-EPA chief says Paris climate agreement ‘bad deal’ for U.S.
    (Repeats for wider distribution)
    By Valerie Volcovici
    The United States should continue to be “engaged” in international climate change discussions but the Paris climate change agreement is a “bad deal” for the country, the head of the Environmental Protection Agency said Sunday…
    Chinese President Xi Jinping is due to have his first meeting with President Donald Trump on April 6-7. Xi and other Chinese officials have pledged to remain in the agreement.
    “To demonstrate the leadership that we have shown on this issue with China and India and other nations is very important and discussions should ensue,” Pruitt said on Fox News Sunday, “but what Paris represents is a bad deal for this country.”…
    Pruitt said China and India signed onto the agreement without being required to reduce emissions…
    Asked on Sunday to clarify a statement he made last month that carbon dioxide — emitted from fossil fuel power plants — is not a primary contributor to climate change, Pruitt said “human activities contribute to that change in some measure.”
    “The real question is how much are we contributing to that and measuring that with precision,” he said.
    http://uk.reuters.com/article/usa-climatechange-paris-idUKL2N1HA05B

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    David Maddison

    Scientific Method vs Climate “Science” Method

    Scientific Method
    1 Formulate hypothesis
    2 Systematically collect real data
    3 Evaluate hypothesis vs data
    4 Repeat

    Climate “Science” Method
    1 Formulate conclusion
    2 Manipulate “data” / model to fit conclusion
    3 Announce the world is ending
    4 Smear critics

    From Steve Milloy talk “Draining the Climate Swamp”.
    https://youtu.be/vXZ3c5UkkCA

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      TdeF

      Quite accurate. For Climate science you could add

      2.5 write paper supported by Pal Review.
      3.5 Demand funding, to save the world of course.

      6 Give expert testimony.
      7 goto 4.

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        TdeF

        Oops. Left out 5 as I renumbered it to 3.5.
        So
        5 Sue critics for defamation
        5.5 refuse to cooperate in your own lawsuit by avoiding disclosure and applying for delays.
        5.7 claim victim status

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    pat

    Scott Pruitt’s Fox interview follow-up.

    first, it’s not easy to find video or a transcript with CNBC host’s response to Scott Pruitt from the 9 March interview. for the record, here it is:

    10 Mar: Youtube: 2mins06secs: CNBC: EPA Admin Rejects Climate Change: ‘I Would Not Agree That It’s Primary Contributor to Global Warming
    “Do you believe that it’s been proven that CO2 is the primary control knob for climate?”(CNBC’s Joe) Kernen asked.

    PRUITT; “No. I think that measuring with precision human activity on the climate is something very challenging to do and there’s tremendous disagreement about the degree of impact, so no, I would not agree that it’s a primary contributor to the global warming that we see,” said Pruitt. “We need to continue the debate and continue the review and the analysis.”…

    JOE KERNEN: “I agree,” he told Pruitt. “When I hear the science is settled, it’s like I never heard that science actually got to a point where it was settled. That’s the whole point of science, that you keep asking questions, you keep asking questions, but I don’t want to be called a denier. Scares me. It’s a terrible thing to be called.”
    “Anyway, administrator Pruitt, I know that you don’t want to be called that either.”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyNBDzA8smM

    now the full video & rush transcript for the Chris Wallace/Fox News interview Sunday, with Wallace as full-on CAGW zealot:

    VIDEO: 13mins37secs: 2 Apr: Fox News: Rush Transcript: Scott Pruitt on balancing environmental, economic priorities
    WALLACE: When the Obama EPA announced its Clean Power Plan, it said that the reduction in carbon pollution would have the following health benefits. I want to put them up on the screen.
    By 2030, it said there would be 90,000 fewer asthma attacks a year, 300,000 fewer missed work and school days, and 3,600 fewer premature deaths a year.
    Without the Clean Power Plan, how are you going to prevent those terrible things? …
    WALLACE: But, sir, you’re giving me a regulatory answer, a political answer. You’re not giving me a health answer. I talked about 90,000 fewer asthma attacks, 300,000 fewer missed days in school and work.
    The Obama Clean Power Plan called — said that carbon pollution from the power sector would be reduced by 30 percent. It would be one-third lower than it was in 2005.
    Here’s what the American Lung Association says, “Half of all Americans now live in counties with unhealthy air.” You talk about all the regulatory overreach, but the question is, there are 166 million people living in unclean air and you are going to remove some of the pollution restrictions, which will make the air even worse…
    WALLACE: If I may, you are talking about these reductions, but even with those reductions, the fact is that according to the American Lung Association, which would have an interest in this, 166 million people are living in unsafe air. And if you do away with the Clean Power Plan and boost — as the president promises — coal production, then you’re going to make the air even worse. What about those 166 million people?…

    WALLACE: Let me — let me pursue this issue, because President Trump is going to sit down this week with Chinese President Xi. And for years, American presidents have been pushing Chinese leaders to improve greenhouse gas emissions, to reverse them. Are you comfortable seeing the roles were reversed this week where it will now be the Chinese president pushing President Trump to cut down on pollution? …
    WALLACE: Sir, the point is that the (Chinese) president is more committed to Paris than the United States is…

    WALLACE: Mr. Pruitt, there are all kinds of studies that contradict you. The U.N.’s panel on climate change says it is at least 95 percent likely that more than half the temperature increase since the mid-20th century is due to human activities. NOAA, that’s our own, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, says there’s more carbon dioxide now than in the last 400,000 years, and NOAA says 2015 and 2016 are the two hottest years on record.
    Mr. Pruitt, are we supposed to believe that that’s all a coincidence? …

    WALLACE: But don’t you think the fact that we have these coal power plants belching carbon emissions into the air, you don’t think that had — plays a role?…
    http://www.foxnews.com/transcript/2017/04/02/scott-pruitt-on-balancing-environmental-economic-priorities-mitch-mcconnell-on-gorsuch-nomination-health-care-reform.html

    more to come.

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    pat

    Breitbart articles rarely show up in Google’s News results, especially in recent weeks after they were labelled FakeNews by the FakeNewsMSM, yet this is #1 news result today:

    WATCH THE FULL INTERVIEW TO DECIDE IF YOU AGREE WITH DELLERS:

    2 Apr: Breitbart: James Delingpole: EPA’s Scott Pruitt Gets Eaten Alive by Fox
    I just watched Scott Pruitt, head of the Environmental Protection Agency, get eaten alive by Fox News Sunday anchor Chris Wallace.
    Not only was it an ugly and painful sight but it was also a very dispiriting one…READ ON
    (NOT MANY COMMENTING ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH DELINGPOLE)
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/04/02/delingpole-epas-scott-pruitt-gets-eaten-alive-by-fox/

    #2 google news result on this topic is prog left website Raw Story!

    Chris Wallace systematically destroys EPA head Scott Pruitt: Climate change is not ‘all a coincidence’
    Raw Story – ‎9 hours ago‎

    #3 google news result:

    Chris Wallace Skewers EPA Chief Scott Pruitt on Fox News Sunday
    Huffington Post – ‎52 minutes ago‎

    HuffPo’s earlier headline, before Raw Story changed the meme:

    EPA Chief Still Doesn’t Think Humans Are The Primary Cause Of Climate Change
    Huffington Post – ‎9 hours ago‎

    POLITICO, PRUITT NEVER SAID OTHERWISE, BUT NEVER MIND:

    Pruitt clarifies on climate change
    Politico – ‎10 hours ago‎
    Agency Administrator Scott Pruitt acknowledged Sunday that humans are contributing to climate change.

    Is Climate Change Real? EPA Administrator Pruitt Admits Humans Contribute To Global Warming
    International Business Times – ‎6 hours ago

    TALK ABOUT FAKE NEWS…

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      el gordo

      ‘Pruitt also admitted “human activity contributes to that change in some measure.”

      Pruitt has been converted to lukewarmism.

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    pat

    22 Mar: Livemint: Bloomberg: Faseeh Mangi: Coal addiction spreads as Chinese workers dig in Pakistan desert
    Pakistan has begun to dig up one of the world’s largest deposits of low-grade, brown, dirty coal to fuel new power stations that could revolutionize the country’s economy
    The project is one of the most expensive among an array of ambitious energy developments that China is helping the country to build as part of a $55 billion economic partnership. A $3.5 billion joint venture between the neighbours will extract coal to generate 1.3 gigawatts (GW) of electricity that will be sent across the country on a new $3 billion transmission network…

    Pakistan by contrast relies on coal for just 0.1% of its power, according to the Pakistan Business Council. The Thar projects and others could see that jump to 24% by 2020, according to Tahir Abbas, analyst at Karachi-based brokerage Arif Habib Ltd…
    And this is only the start. Engro has already begun digging a second pit and another Chinese joint venture, Sino-Sindh Resource Pvt. Ltd, and Shanghai Electric Group Co. plan to start on a similar coal power project nearby in June. Oracle Coalfields Plc plans coal production and electricity at another block by 2019…
    In all, the Thar region could produce enough coal to generate 15 GW within 10 years, Mohammad Younus Dagha, secretary of Pakistan’s ministry of water and power, said in a phone interview…

    For the Chinese, the projects in Thar have the potential for healthy profits and contracts for its companies and workers at a time when China itself is trying to reduce dependence on coal. It also bolsters China’s partnership with a country that offers a strategic trade link to the Arabian Sea and the Middle East, bypassing India. Return on equity at the Engro mine is around 30%, Abbas said. “That is very lucrative.”
    http://www.livemint.com/Industry/PhOfGfMnY3hvP6jLUHnqmM/Coal-addiction-spreads-as-Chinese-workers-dig-in-Pakistan-de.html

    3 Apr: Australian: Rowan Callick: Aussies expertise crucial in carbon capture for giant Chinese project
    Australian experts on carbon capture and storage are playing a major role in the development of China’s first giant CCS project, launched last week in Shaanxi province.
    But this emerging technology, which slashes industrial climate change gas emissions — with 16 plants already operating worldwide, 22 by the end of next year — has failed to gain significant support in Australia, ­attracting only $560 million in public funding from Australian governments across more than a decade.

    In comparison, Australian renewable energy projects receive $2.8 billion a year — locked in until 2030 — said Alex Zapantis, general manager Asia Pacific of the Melbourne-based Global Carbon Capture and Storage Institute. “You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to see why ­investment is flowing in to renewables,’’ he said. “We do not have a policy environment to deploy CCS.
    “The present policy environment just delivers renewables.”…READ ON
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/mining-energy/aussies-expertise-crucial-in-carbon-capture-for-giant-chinese-project/news-story/2e7aa63b558ce4ef679fbdc08598e7ab

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    pat

    1 billion tonne target now 1.5 billion tonnes!

    2 Apr: Telegraph India: R. Suryamurthy: Drill to open coal doors
    The government is planning to allow the commercial mining of coal to attract global giants such as Glencore, BHP Billiton and Rio Tinto. The plan is to put out 30 million tonnes of reserves in the first phase of bidding with no end-use restriction for companies.
    More than four decades after coal mining was nationalised, the country will offer pricing freedom and revenue sharing contracts to investors securing coal blocks through the reverse auction route…

    “While Coal India Ltd has set itself a target of doubling its production within five years to one billion tonne, given the present demand-supply situation and the projected economic growth of the country, it will be necessary to further augment production through commercial mining,” the discussion paper on the auction of coal mines for commercial mining said.

    The ministry has called a stakeholders’ meeting on the discussion paper on April 10.
    “Commercial mining of coal is a forward-looking step that will lead to monetising of a natural resource and have the potential of boosting technology-aided private investments in coal sector while enhancing the market access of coal for the downstream industrial segments of power, steel and cement,” Ficci president Pankaj R. Patel said…

    ***The move, which has been on the anvil for quite some time, would help the government to reach its target of producing ***1.5 billion tonnes by 2022.
    https://www.telegraphindia.com/1170403/jsp/business/story_144190.jsp

    meanwhile, the “war” continues:

    3 Apr: ABC AM: Stephen Long: Adani plans to export low quality, high ash coal to India, court told
    The ABC has unearthed previously unreported evidence that shows Adani plans to export a low-quality coal product to India — coal with a high ash content that could cause deadly air pollution…
    According to sworn evidence to the Land Court in Queensland, Adani plans to ship polluting, low-energy coal to India.

    A report to the court made on its (Adani’s) behalf said the Carmichael mine would produce “two coal products”.
    “Product one, a low ash/moderate energy product most suitable for Asian premium markets,” the report said.
    So the coal bound for India ***could be a fairly low-grade product.
    Mr Canavan said while it might not be the highest quality coal in Australia, “it’s still much much higher than the coal quality in India”…

    Mr Canavan said it was not just the Government who thought it would be better for the environment if India used Australian coal.
    “The Queensland Supreme Court itself also made the point that the Adani Carmichael coal mine itself won’t increase greenhouse gas emissions, if it displaces coal from other sources,” he said.
    “That’s exactly what it will do, because India will get coal from somewhere, [and] as I say, their own coal is generally lower quality than ours.”…

    Adani has repeatedly declined requests by the ABC for an interview about the Carmichael mine and the company’s corporate structure in Australia
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-03/adani-plans-to-export-low-quality-coal-to-india-report-says/8409742

    Coal pollution is on the rise
    ABC Online-2 hours ago

    Coal’s dirty Australian secret? It’s not coming back
    In-Depth-The Sydney Morning Herald-1 hour ago

    SMH: Waleed Aly: The fantasy that coal has a future helps no one

    1 Apr: Quadrant: Roger Franklin: Waleed Serves a Green Dog’s Breakfast
    This time it is the future of coal that is blessed with his universal expertise
    https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/doomed-planet/2017/04/waleed-aly-serves-green-dogs-breakfast/

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    el gordo

    ‘US President Donald Trump pre-empts an upcoming meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping, saying America will act alone on the North Korean nuclear threat if China does not.’

    ABC

    How to win friends and influence people.

    Donald to Xi, its your patch, do something serious about that dictator or we will. The US has nothing to lose and everything to gain.

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    Blah blah blah, the friends of the dirt are worried about discharges from local coal mines into the Fitzroy River, now in major flood, again.

    So then, how many, umm, local coal mines near Rockhampton?

    COAL MINES CURRENTLY RELEASING:

    Callide, Batchfire Callide: Receiving waters Dunn Creek, compliant.
    Cook Colliery, Caledon Coal: Receiving waters Blackwater Creek, compliant.
    Curragh, Wesfarmers Curragh: Receiving waters Mackenzie River, compliant.
    Daunia, BHP: New Chum Creek, not compliant.
    Ensham, Bligh Coal Limited: Nogoa River, compliant.
    German Creek, Anglo Coal (German Creek): German Creek, compliant.
    Hail Creek, Queensland Coal: Middle Creek and Brumby Creek, compliant.
    Lake Lindsay, Anglo Coal (German Creek): Oaky Creek, compliant.
    Lake Vermont, Bowen Basin Coal: Phillips Creek, compliant.

    COAL MINES CURRENTLY NOT RELEASING:

    Baralaba and North Wonbindi
    Blackwater
    Blair Anthol
    Boradlea North
    Burton
    Carborough Downs
    Caval Ridge
    Clermont
    Dawson North and Central
    Dawson South
    Foxleigh
    Goonyella Riverside
    Gregory Crinum
    Grosvenor
    Isaac Plains
    Jellinbah
    Kestrel
    Middlemount
    Millenium
    Minerva
    Moorvale
    Moranbah North
    North Goonyell/Eaglefield
    Norwich Park
    Oaky Creek
    Red Mountain Joint Venutre
    Rolleston
    Yarrabee

    37 of ‘em.

    Yep! Coal is definitely on the way out, eh!

    Tony.

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    Dennis

    I just drove past the wind farm close to the highway south of Goulburn. It’s difficult counting while driving but most were not rotating.

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      TdeF

      The aspect of the RET that really rankles is that Wind operators are not commercially driven. They do not have to sell power to make money. If the windmills are turning at 3am, they still get paid 3x the value of the electricity even in no one buys it. When they are generating while people are buying, they get paid preferentially and at 4x the value of the going rate. If the Mafia did this, they would be locked up but our government have organized this absurdity ordering our electricity retailers to pay the windmills generators for certificates they can earn any time they feel like.

      It is not a tax because the money does not go to the Government and a oil/gas/coal Federal tax would be illegal under the constitution.
      No it is an order for one private party to pay another private party because the Government says so. Outside a court, this is an amazing order of the government and one which is likely illegal. This money, unlike taxation, is not for the business of running the government. It is not ordered in a court room. I doubt seriously that the Federal government was ever given the right under British law to order such payments.

      So of course the windmills are not turning. There is no expectation the ones which are turning are doing anything either. It is all high farce at your direct expense and would be called extortion if it was done by a private company. I would call it a dictatorship to benefit people overseas and beggar our country and hidden from the Australian public who think we do not pay a carbon tax at all let alone to private companies.

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    Robber

    According to Vic Premier Dan the CFMEU man, Victoria was going to remain an exporter of electricity.
    4.10 pm Monday and Victoria has an inflow from NSW of 420 MW, 240 MW is being exported to Tas, and SA is receiving 25 MW. And that’s with gas stations delivering 750 MW since 7 am this morning. While in SA that unloved Pelican Point gas station is delivering 450 MW.
    Missing Hazelwood already?
    Watch those wholesale prices per AEMO online reports. Vic 2015 $30/MWh, 2016 $46/MWh, Jan 2017 $62, Feb 17 $86, March $91/MWh, and April 1-2 $94/MWh.

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    pat

    followup to TonyfromOz’s last comment – not too bad considering:

    3 Apr: Courier Mail: Queensland Cyclone Debbie: Economic impact
    by John McCarthy & Sarah Vogler
    QUEENSLAND coal exports may have taken a $1.5 billion hit from Cyclone Debbie as more than 22 mines were forced to halt production while roads and ports were shut.
    Economists also tip a hit to the state Budget, with a temporary loss of coal royalties and lost agricultural production.

    ***But they also warn that negative talk about the impact on resorts could hurt tourism operators unaffected by the weather.

    Energy analysts IHS said about 10 million tonnes of coal production was lost ***as buyers went elsewhere.
    Mines will also be affected by impassable roads and flooded pits, but the losses aren’t expected to be anywhere near those incurred by Cyclone Yasi, when about 40 million tonnes of production was lost…

    Cyclone Yasi cost the State Government about $2.9 billion, while councils paid about $2.7 billion to replace damaged assets…
    http://www.couriermail.com.au/business/queensland-cyclone-debbie-economic-impact/news-story/dabed7d1c567e01f519fd9567ed0a21d

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    el gordo

    Cool SST anomaly in Indian Ocean, ENSO remains neutral.

    http://weather.unisys.com/surface/sfc_daily.php?plot=ssa&inv=0&t=cur

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    Oh, this is just choice, way too good to pass up.

    The South Oz premier has unloaded on AGL.

    With him was the State Energy Minister Mr Koutsantonis, who said, and let me quote:

    “We want to make sure that we have backup generation in place.”

    Umm, why would South Australia need backup generation?

    Tony.

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    Aussies chicken out
    I’m disappointed. I suppose, too, what she has to say would be against the law. More disappointment.

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    pat

    tomomason -

    funny I saved this earlier today:

    3 Apr: Daily Caller: Andrew Follett: Idaho’s $4.3 Million Solar Road Generates Enough Power To Run ONE Microwave
    An expensive solar road project in Idaho can’t even power a microwave most days, according to the project’s energy data.
    The Solar FREAKIN’ Roadways project generated an average (LINK) of 0.62 kilowatt hours (kWh) of electricity per day since it began publicly posting power data in late March. To put that in perspective, the average microwave or blow drier consumes about 1 kWh per day.
    On March 29th, the solar road panels generated 0.26 kWh, or less electricity than a single plasma television consumes. On March 31st, the panels generated 1.06 kWh, enough to barely power a single microwave. The panels have been under-performing their expectations due to design flaws, but even if they had worked perfectly they’d have only powered a single water fountain and the lights in a nearby restroom.
    Solar FREAKIN’ Roadways has been in development for 6.5 years and received a total of $4.3 million in funding to generate 90 cents worth of electricity…READ ON
    http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/03/idahos-4-3-million-solar-road-generates-enough-power-to-run-one-microwave/

    will watch your video tonite…

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    pat

    another FAKENEWS poll u can’t believe in.
    however, if only the public had a clue what the Guardian and the CAGW mob have planned, price-wise, if they ever did get an ETS to take off, there’d be no-one in favour, except for the CAGW zealots:

    4 Apr: Guardian: Katharine Murphy: Majority of voters back emissions trading scheme, Guardian Essential poll finds
    51% in favour of ETS, including 46% of Coalition voters, in survey that also finds 74% support a ban on political donations from foreign companies
    A slim majority of Australians say they would support an emissions trading scheme for the electricity sector, including 46% of Coalition voters, according to the latest Guardian Essential poll (LINK).
    The new weekly survey of 1,797 voters says 51% are in favour of an ETS for electricity, and more people are undecided than opposed. Twenty per cent were opposed and 29% undecided…
    A string of peak bodies have already called for the adoption of a market mechanism, including the National Farmers’ Federation, the Investor Group on Climate Change and the Business Council of Australia, which explicitly called for an emissions intensity scheme.
    These groups have been joined by the New South Wales Liberal government, major energy users, manufacturers and businesses including BHP Billiton, who have been supportive of a market mechanism to help drive the necessary transition in the sector to low emissions energy sources.
    The current stakeholder consensus around carbon pricing is a major turnaround in a short period of time…
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/apr/04/majority-of-voters-back-emissions-trading-scheme-guardian-essential-poll-finds

    from the link, the question asked was:

    Do you support or oppose introducing a carbon emissions trading scheme in the electricity sector to provide more incentive for investing in renewable energy and low-carbon electricity?

    this one didn’t get a majority, but still too many in favour for my liking, if it were a truly representative poll!

    Do you think activist groups – such as GetUp, which campaigns on social issues – should be allowed or not allowed to accept donations from foreign organisations or individuals?

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    pat

    who cares what they do or don’t condemn?

    4 Apr: Guardian: Arthur Neslen: Green groups condemn UN plan to use $136m from climate fund for large dams
    Activists warn of serious environmental consequences for UN-backed hydro projects in Nepal, Tajikistan and the Solomon Islands
    In all, nine projects worth $854m will be discussed by the green climate fund’s 24-person board in a meeting in Songdo, South Korea, on Tuesday.
    Fund board members declined requests for interview, but officials confirmed that the informal meeting would try to reach consensus on the projects…
    The UN’s green climate fund declined to comment for this article.
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/apr/04/green-groups-condemn-un-plan-to-use-136m-from-climate-fund-for-large-dams

    3 Apr: Bloomberg: Blaming South Africa coal cuts on green power is `misdirected’
    Blaming the early closure of some South African coal-fired electricity plants and subsequent job cuts on renewables is “misdirected” because generation from the fuel far outpaces clean-power supply, a former National Planning Commission member said.
    State-owned utility Eskom Holdings SOC Ltd., which burns coal for 90 percent of its electricity, has stalled on signing government-brokered deals to buy renewables from independents, saying it’s expensive and not always available…READ ALL
    https://about.bnef.com/blog/blaming-south-africa-coal-cuts-on-green-power-is-misdirected/

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    clipe

    Test

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    Simon

    Seeing a bunch of new headlines claiming that two thirds of the reef is bleached now, feels like total Greenpeace BS, what are they _not_ telling us?

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