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All Australians “are detrimental”. Climate Scientist worries that her baby will cause floods, droughts, and warm globe

After years of struggle to conceive, plus tortured introspection about the effect her baby might have on future storms, Sophie Lewis, climate scientist, announces conception in the most convoluted way:

And then, just as senselessly as our grief began, it ended. For no particular reason, the expected bad baby news never arrived and now the complexity of having an imagined child will become a concrete ethical entanglement.

Exactly. And many a climate model operates with all the same clarity and insight.

But sincere congratulations to Sophie Lewis. We hope her good news brings her  years of joy.

We also pray she escapes the climate bubble soon. Because by golly, she’s in deep.

Lewis reveals the paroxysms of irreconcilable guilt — where the evolutionary drive conflicts with the climate religion:

Older climate scientists speak widely about their worries for their grandchildren and the world they have provided them. While such concerns must weigh on older minds, younger climate scientists’ future concerns require active deliberation. Should we have children? And if we do, how do we raise them in a world of change and inequity? Can I reconcile my care and concern for the future with such an active and deliberate pursuit of a child?

Put simply, I can’t. Nowadays, the pitter-patter of tiny feet is inevitably the pitter-patter of giant carbon footprints. Reusable nappies, a bike trailer and secondhand jumpsuits might make me feel like I’m taking individual action but they will achieve little. A child born today is inevitably a consumer and, most significantly, is a consumer of greenhouse gases.

Warning. Pure climate-princess material coming — The climate battle is like World War II:

Living in and starting a family in volatile and uncertain times are not unique experiences. My grandmother fled Europe in the early 1950s for a better life in Australia. A German Jew, her family had been scattered, with herself interned in Britain, her sister lost in Auschwitz and her family’s desperate flight rebuffed by an indifferent world. Years of horror, combined with strict rations and economic uncertainty drove her to strike out bravely for a new life in Australia with her young babies.

But there was icing on the cake of the abject horror then — No such luck now:

Climate change is a critically different problem. In my grandmother’s time of abject horror, good people were empowered – to varying degrees – to do good. After the war ended, the actions of just a few were recognised as having salvaged the honour of all our humanity. Nowadays, the very act of living in Australia, regardless of concern for our climate future, is detrimental.

Now there are no heroes, just climate prophets (who can’t seem to predict anything useful) and whose bodily existence, like everyone else, including babies “is detrimental”

Indeed, to paraphase her baby announcement:

And then, just as senselessly as our grief began, it ended. For no particular reason, the expected bad climate news never arrived and now the complexity of having an imagined climate has become a concrete ethical entanglement.

I’m worried having a baby will make climate change worse — Sydney Morning Herald. Where else?

Those warmists who fear that a child,
Could leave our green planet defiled,
Or that one baby primate,
Could change Earth’s whole climate,
Are by climate-change hot air beguiled.

–Ruairi

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310 comments to All Australians “are detrimental”. Climate Scientist worries that her baby will cause floods, droughts, and warm globe

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    David Maddison

    This is why Greens believe in depopulation and the economy-destroying and civilisation-destroying (by inappropriate immigration and policies hostile to traditional values) policies to achieve it.

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      In Germany, they are replacing the indigenous Germans with people from elsewhere. German women feel compelled to work and delay having kids because their taxes are so high. The taxes are high because it largely goes on subsidizing those on welfare.

      Out of the millions of immigrants, it seems that few of them have proper jobs

      Survey reveals Germany’s top companies employ just 54 refugees

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        Frank

        Manfred,
        There is no such thing as an indigenous German or Frenchman, Italian etc. Humans have been always been migrating, you, a German, are currently in Melbourne (?) stealing our jobs ?. Nationalism has a poor historical record.
        Also, where did you get your facts from to claim that taxes are high largely due to welfare ?.

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          KinkyKeith

          Obviously Frank, you have the “facts” to contradict him?

          Let’s have it.

          No?

          KK

          P.S. After pulling themselves out of two wars run by the “elites” and then paying the price of reintegration of the communist side of Berlin, they are now saddled with another unreasonable burden which benefits beneficent politicians and the recipients.

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          rapscallion

          Really? Up until 1950, Britain was by and large homogeneous. With relatively small immigration over a thousand years, you could rightly say they were and indigenous population. Similarly even today Japan is very largely homogeneous. You are talking rubbish.

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            Frank

            I am talking long term

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              wert

              In the long run, in theory maybe, at short term there is a significant difference between for example being an indigenous or native American, and not being one. It is about rights, you are allowed to have everything the majority has, but the majority is not allowed to have what the minority has. Unless the minority is white aka the supressor, in which case the majority is allowed to socialize. The rules are complicated and include gender, Europeanness, majority/minority, history, etc. But be sure white hetero men are always loosing in confontation if you ask a left winger.

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              Greebo

              OK, you are talking long term rubbish.

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            Geoffrey Williams

            Absolutey true Abscallion – I know, I was there .
            GeoffW

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      OriginalSteve

      My uncle lost his family in german concentration camps, and also grew up in Hungary under communism. I have heard some stories….

      Odd given her own heritgae she would willingly swallow the climate Kool-Aid?

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      Dennis

      Eugenics – Fabian (socialist) Society of England 1800s.

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    Popeye26

    Unbelievable – to quote:

    “Reusable nappies, a bike trailer and secondhand jumpsuits might make me feel like I’m taking individual action but they will achieve little.”

    ! – Reusable nappies – YES just like EVERYONE in past generations – They’re called cloth nappies Sophie
    2 – A bike trailer (doesn’t everyone use them? LOL) – how about walking with a pram just like “used” to happen
    3 – Second hand jump suits – They’re called “hand me downs” Sophie probably a new concept for you!

    In fact, I for one are delighted people like Sophie Lewis are opting out of the baby “thing” – the world will be a better place if her and her “partner” DON’T have a baby.

    Cheers,

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      Graeme No.3

      I wonder how long it will be before they switch to disposable ones?

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      Hasbeen

      So which is it. Do irrational unhinged fools gravitate to “climate science”, or is it mixing with other irrational unhinged fool climate scientists the cause of this ladies problems?

      Chicken or egg I suppose.

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        Rereke Whakaaro

        It is sometimes referred to as existential angst.

        If you are not feeling miserable and guilty about your life, and the lives of those around you, then you are obviously not trying hard enough.

        Existential angst is embodied in the story of Adam and Eve, and the serpent who banned them from all that was good. It has flowed through the river of history ever since that time.

        Feeling guilty about life events is just part of a defence mechanism in response to experiencing pleasure, when we tell ourselves that we should be experiencing remorse.

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        Dean from Ohio

        It’s the stupid foolishness of idolatry, the corrosive influence of the Big Lie as described so accurately by Solzhenitsyn, that accounts for this pitiable poverty of soul.

        As in so many crucial matters, there really are exactly to alternatives: fear God and dread nought, or fear everything and be pressed by guilt into the mold of doing more and more evil. God save her and her family!

        “A baby is God’s opinion that the world should go on.” – Oscar Wilde

        (Even the dissolute Wilde escaped the Big Lie of the sexual revolution before the end)

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      dennisa

      It’s the nappies that stop the flooding…..

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      Greebo

      In fact, I for one are delighted people like Sophie Lewis are opting out of the baby “thing” – the world will be a better place if her and her “partner” DON’T have a baby.

      I can hear Darwin chuckling…

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    Geoff Sherrington

    Double standards.
    The grandmother’s deprivations favoured climate change principles of lower consumption.
    The grandmother rejectedbthe enforced changes that favoured climate change remediation and opted for less restrained, climate damaging freedom in Australia.
    What a mixed up person is Sophie.
    Does anyone here know another who agonises like Sophie? I do not, but if I had a shrink, he/she might.
    Geoff

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      Raven

      She agonises is alright
      It seems for Sophie, her postnatal depression may have started prenatal so perhaps a talk with her doctor is a good idea.

      Sophie has time to write depressing whimsy right now but after arrival of the baby she won’t. She’ll be too busy running around after nappies and losing sleep. Climate Change™ will then be relegated to last on the list (number 14) of things we worry about . . just like every survey has shown.

      So, in that sense, I’d expect having a baby will bring some perspective to Sophie’s life.

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        noisemarine

        Her line will simply change to “Won’t somebody think of my children? ” Someone so far down in the climate craziness isn’t coming back.

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        ian hilliar

        Her perspective is that of the “Me” generation- she seriously believes the world revolves around her. If she seriously believes that “the very act of living in Australia , regardless of concern for our climate future, is detrimental” she should seriously consider opting out of the human race.

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      Leonard Lane

      Another piece of evidence for those who say leftism is a mental illness.

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      Ted O'Brien.

      In my day it was The Bomb that kept people like Sophie agonising, and there were people just like Sophie except they mostly didn’t have PhDs.

      Who taught them to worry so?

      My young brother observed some years back that things had gone downhill so much that we should mount a campaign to Bring Back The Bomb. Maybe Donald Trump is doing that for us.

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        Griffo

        I worry about the bomb,especially with the loonie in Pongyang in the running to having one, Iran is also a worry.

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          Leonard Lane

          Griffo, it is easy to find that North Korea tested its first nuclear weapon in 2006 and launched a satellite in 2016. They claim to have thermonuclear weapons (H bombs) and that too is probably true or soon to be true. They claim they have miniaturized both atomic and hydrogen bombs to be delivered by IRBMs and ICBMs.
          I have heard doubts about their claims for their missiles to carry hydrogen bombs but few if any doubts about their IRBMs to carry atomic warheads.
          So the question is not when they will have nuclear weapons and missiles to carry them, but how near are to meeting all of their boasts and claims.

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      Oswald Thake

      “Another who agonises like Sophie?” There’s loads of ‘em, usually found in the Grauniad. “Daft bints ‘R’ us,” I call them.

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    turnedoutnice

    I would accept her argument except for four bits of basic physics’ misunderstanding in the IPCC pseudoscience.

    Following early 1-D modelling by Manabe et al. which experimented with various atmospheric ideas:……..

    1. In 1969 (Hansen) made a fundamental error in aerosol optical physics: this reversed the sign of the 2nd AIE so he and others thought higher [CCN] increased cloud albedo, offsetting raised surface temperatures as [CO2] increased, hiding CO2 warming. This mechanism accounts for the ~3.5 times amplification of Milankovitch warming at the end of ice ages and the rapid warming of the planet in the 1980s and 1990s as Asian aerosol output surged. The planet reacted by ocean current change; hence some Arctic melting and more Antarctic snow.

    2. In 1976 Cess made a fundamental error by claiming the atmosphere absorbed surface IR: this led to 40% rise in atmospheric radiation so Earth’s emissivity became 0.6. This paper should never have been passed by peer review because OLR emissivity has to be unity. Hansen also admitted that the requirement for a finite temperature drop, surface to local atmosphere, could not be measured experimentally, so GISS models it!

    3. Also in 1976, GISS used Manabe’s 1-D computation with negative convection and got the same CO2 Climate Sensitivity. 24 years later Hansen admitted there can be no negative convection but 3-D models devised by UK’s Met Office (done under contract by the late husband of its recent Chief Scientist) were fine. However this Kirchhoff’s Law of Radiation approach used the incorrect cloud aerosol optical physics to create down atmospheric window IR. The same error leads to imaginary positive feedback.

    4. Ultimately, it all comes down to a failure to understand that Planck, Bose and Einstein’s correct radiative physics only applies to a vacuum. I shall explain later why GHG-containing atmospheres shift the partial or fully self-absorbed (at sea level) GHG OLR emitting surface to many kms altitude. Other independent scientists, or retirees, have concluded this but keep quiet about it for fear of being considered lunatics. But it’s easy to prove by a radiative energy and entropy balance, possibly an optimum radiation entropy production rate.

    The latest claim is that the unknown outer planet now allegedly hurtling to the Earth’s orbit will lead to Armageddon, hence US CEOs have bought up New Zealand boltholes. Or will Armageddon come from Asteroid impact? Another possibility is reduced solar magnetic field allowing more cosmic rays to enter the Earth’s atmosphere, causing more clouds, higher albedo!

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      KinkyKeith

      I like number 4.

      It is sad to have “climate scientists” pump values into the S_B equation to prove something or other, and then deduce, from that, that WE DID IT.

      NO WE DIDN’T.

      It is quantitatively impossible for humans to influence the CO2 levels of the atmosphere and this argument itself is made irrelevant by the activity of the overwhelming “greenhouse gas” WATER.

      And eventually we must concede that even water can’t make absolute changes because the whole system is determined by the orbital mechanics of our solar system.

      KK

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        KinkyKeith

        My reference to the use of the Steffen and Boltzmann equation straight out of a textbook by warmers concerns the use of that equation in a manner that immediately shows that the person using it doesn’t know what they are doing.

        Climate Science is the classic abuser of this situation.

        As for some people not looking at this blog, no they don’t, this blog is primarily about the degeneration of scientific progress in society and they don’t care.

        KK

        KK

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      peter

      turnedoutnice,

      I don’t even understand your points let alone feel able to agree or disagree. Absolutely LOVE people using acronyms without any explanation of what they stand for. What is the AIE let alone the 2nd AIE and I assume OLR stands for outgoing Long Infra-Red? Perhaps David Evans could provide an answer to your points? As for KK talking about his S_B equation, that’s Son of a Bitch equation obviously?

      This posting of abbreviated techno-crap with no data, no equations, no references, no explanations, no examinable argument, just aggressive conclusions, is why journos and even main-stream climate scientists WILL NOT LOOK AT THIS BLOG SITE let alone believe the claims made in it!

      The scientific comprehension of climate issues by people posting on this site is often excellent but the communication skills are close to ZERO. We may have won the scientific argument long ago but we are losing the political argument BADLY! Just witness the childish emotional argument from Sophie Lewis (a scientist for God’s sake) and the ongoing circus in Australia with pollies arguing over who can provide the best power storage back-up to an energy market white-anted by intermittent unreliable renewables!

      ps. SA is topping up its power needs today with diesel generators! Can you believe it??

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    Craig

    LOL, please Sophie, Get over yourself. [SNIP. C'mon. We don't need to get so personal -J] .

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    Hat Rack

    The child’s biggest problem will be the weird mother.

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      turnedoutnice

      No personal warmth?

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      turnedoutnice

      Or is it an inability to till soil and plant and nurture seeds once Armageddon strikes?

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      TedM

      Got it in one Hat Rack.

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      Makes me think of David Suzuki, climate
      activist, high cost speaker (very) on the doom and gloom
      circuit and father of five. Here’s his daughter Severn,
      speaking at Rio. You may be able to listen right through,
      I could not. Main message, ‘I am afraid …’

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_O1Au8vZLA

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        I endured a whole five seconds of prissy, brattish self-importance. That’s not because I’ve developed a stronger stomach for eco-posturers and touts for Big Green. I just can’t close a tab as fast as I once could. We all get slower on the draw with time.

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        Dennis

        The end of the world as we knew it by 2000 (that was the year of inundation and not enough rainfall to fill the dams) would end Suzuki claimed. But during the 1990s when he visited Australia and was reminded he remarked how pleased he was that notice had been taken and pollution reduced so much.

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        KinkyKeith

        Thanks for that reminder Beth, I saw her father years ago and was disgusted.

        Now I am disgusted again by what he has done to his daughter.

        Can you believe it:

        They raised all of the money themselves.

        KK

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      Pays to go down the memery-whole sometimes don’t it?
      The record’s what stands btw us plebs and 1984. ‘Tis
      why honest media and honest education practice, not
      data massaging and transformational experiences fer
      socio-politico ends, is so important … and the
      scientific method as per Einstein, Feynman and Popper,

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      Ted O'Brien.

      How much was she paid to write it?

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    Curious George

    This lady should change her religion to Eugenics. Maybe she did already.

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      Curiously, the gene-improvement movement is reducing the very class most inclined to eugenics: the inner-urban professionals. But maybe that’s a good thing. Maybe we aren’t meant to pick and choose the qualities required for the continuance of humanity or we’d just end up one big upper class of climate scientists, grievance-chasing lawyers, past Goldman Sachs employees, current Goldman Sachs employees…and future Goldman Sachs employees!

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    When you hear stuff like that coming from ‘scientists’, you really have to wonder about science education. It’s as if these people come from an arts faculty and mot a science one.

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      KinkyKeith

      Climate Science degrees are more like a degree in Environmental Activism, easy on the maths, physics, chemistry and Integrated analysis.
      KK

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        What ever does the word ‘science’ now mean except consensus fantasy? :-(

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          KinkyKeith

          Will,
          Talking about “consensual” behaviour could easily get you into trouble in climate circles.

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            KinkyKeith March 20, 2017 at 10:41 am

            “Will,
            Talking about “consensual” behaviour could easily get you into trouble in climate circles.”

            “consensual” is perhaps a ‘BAD’ word. Naughty, naughty! OTOH ‘consensus fantasy’ is a PC phrase. Means get together and screw all others!

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        bobl

        No such thing as climate science degree. It comes under Environmental science and has an entry scope at the 55 Pentium percentile of the high school graduate population IE in the lowest 50%. Engineers on the other hand have entry scores around the 25th percentile. There is nothing smart about climate scientists. Journalism entrants are drawn from around the 40th percentile so arts/journalism students are smarter than your average climate scientist.

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      Greg Cavanagh

      “Dr Sophie Lewis is a climate scientist and research fellow at the Australian National University”
      She is seriously messed up. I actually feel sorry for her, but more importantly the blame for her confusion is the complete breakdown of science and the scientific method at the large scale group level. The associations, the unions, the schools, the committees. The houses of learning that should have thought “This new graph of Mann’s is very different to every other historical reconstruction that has ever been done. I wonder if it’s wrong?”.

      I guess this demonstrates that learning a book by rote and passing an exam doesn’t instil knowledge of any kind. She needs to understand history, logic and reasoning in equal measures.

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        bullocky

        ‘….blame for her confusion is the complete breakdown of science and the scientific method at the large scale group level.’

        Funtowicz & Ravetz have a lot to answer for.
        https://tinyurl.com/n2oc6cx

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          Jerome (Jerry) Ravetz is an independent philosopher of science. He is best known for his books analysing scientific knowledge from a social and ethical perspective, focusing on issues of quality. He is the co-author (with Silvio Funtowicz) of the NUSAP notational system … Funtowicz, Silvio O.; Ravetz, Jerome R. (1990)…. NUSAP is a notational system proposed by Funtowicz and Ravetz (1990), which aims to provide an analysis and diagnosis of uncertainty in science for policy.

          No ‘science’ at all only ‘fantasy!!

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            Greebo

            analysing scientific knowledge from a social and ethical perspective, focusing on issues of quality.

            How on earth does one do that?

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        David Maddison

        I haven’t decided if we should feel sorry for these people or blame them. You don’t need a science degree to know that CAGW is not happening. You just need common sense. I am inclined to think there is no excuse for this ignorance. History, if we survive this stupidity, will judge these people harshly.

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          Greg Cavanagh

          It’s true she has every opportunity to test her knowledge, but she does not. She looks very young, so she’s obviously fresh out of the indoctrination collages. This was also my point about the difference between education, and knowledge. She’s been educated (read the prescribed text and quoted it back at exam time), but she has no knowledge of history, philosophy or logic. It is clearly quite beyond her assess what she things she knows.

          I feel sorry for her because she is so messed up but has no skill to find the truth of the matter. And that is an education failing.

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            Greg Cavanagh March 20, 2017 at 1:34 pm

            “It’s true she has every opportunity to test her knowledge, but she does not.”

            To test\confirm ‘understanding’ requires opportunity to address what has not been taught\brainwashed.
            Where can that happen in the western university setting\culture?

            “This was also my point about the difference between education, and knowledge.”

            Please; what is ‘knowledge’; except ‘fantasy’ that has not yet been falsified? Perhaps observing someone else blow themselves up, may be knowledge. Seems much more like ‘learning’!

            “It is clearly quite beyond her (to) assess what she thin‘k’s she knows.”

            The Book of Knowledge grows slowly.
            Book of Error\mistake grows at a furious rate for those wishing journeyman status. Helps a lot to have a boss that has ‘been there, done that! Military training can change a snowflake into a star!

            “And that is an education failing.”

            Indeed! for the western educational system Alles ist kaput! :-(

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              Greg Cavanagh

              “Over these years, I analysed climate data demonstrating an extreme future born of our global policy prevarication.”

              She can do exactly what we can do. She has access to data and results, to every institute she cares to ask. I suspect she’s been trained NOT to look for alternate ideas.

              Education is a study to pass an exam. It does not instil a knowledge of that subject.
              I could go on, but I think that sums it up as best as I can state it.

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            ian hilliar

            Yes she thinks the way she does because she learned everything she knows through collages. We used to use slide rules, and the periodic table, but the collage is so much more PC!

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              I have no idea why you think a particular art form has anything to do with this.

              Why were you looking up the periodic table anyway? It is just a list organised into a logical form, it isn’t actually a thing you look up for a particular reason. If you wanted to look up some aspect of calcium you’d generally look up calcium’s chemic-physical properties some other way. Unless the periodic table was some giant poster, it would contain only some basic info.

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                The ordering of the actinides\isotopes reveals much! Please try to think upon occasion. :-)

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                yeah but you don’t need to “look that up”, unless it is for some school assignment.

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                Gee Aye March 20, 2017 at 4:29 pm

                “yeah but you don’t need to “look that up”, unless it is for some school assignment.”

                Good God A nowhere student for all time! How in the world can you even start to discover the difference between a bulk Hg:Ge IR detector and a surface Hg:Cd:Te IR detector with low temperature minority carrier gain unless someone carefully measured and recorded what may possibly be going on…. A look up table! No research! only critical data recording that the USSR was doing better and faster then all of the USA. G-I it is a true wonder that you are somehow yet alive!!!
                All the best! -will-

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                Gee aye

                Those things are not written into the periodic table. The table is a structure that represents characteristics of the elements. The details you speak of are found elsewhere in very thick books containing lots of other data. When you look up that stuff you are not looking up a table

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                KinkyKeith

                Periodic table.

                In a thin book.

                What’s 606 mm long with a square section 250 mm?

                Come on Gee.

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                Leonard Lane

                Gee aye. Do you how an oxygen concentrator works? Looking at a periodic will give you its basic properties so you can figure it out.
                Know which elements are fissile? Peridoc table (hint: Actinides)will tell you.
                The periodic table has stood the test of time as a useful tool.

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                Leonard, maybe as a learning tool bit not the data resource that Will is fantasizing about.

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                KinkyKeith

                What’s ….

                Here’s another clue:

                It’s temperature is 194.66 K.

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                KinkyKeith

                O.K.

                No response to that,: just doing what Gee does with a string of vacant posts.

                The answer to the stupid question is:

                A block of dry ice.

                KK

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                But KK why were you asking that? It has nothing to do with the periodic table.

                I was stumped by your dimensions – I knew not about a “block” having a fixed definition. I’m crating some things with dry ice this afternoon. I’ll think about you and other of life’s inanities while I do.

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                A random thought on your block of dry ice. Its dimensions will be immediately reduced by sublimation.

                Our packaging dry ice is more like the ones shown in this video – I’ve decided to repeat this using the microwaves in the lab… OMG CAGW

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WABthlGTy74

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                KinkyKeith

                Gee

                My pointless item about a block of frozen CO2 was prompted by the many posts you make which have simply misdirected attention or filled space.

                Stop sitting on the fence.

                KK

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                KinkyKeith

                Well I did watch the video and my congratulations: we have a scientist in our midst.

                The frozoned CO2 seems to be unaffected by the heavy duty radiation from the microwave.

                The next part of the experiment is to get the solid CO2 in the path of a good IR source.

                What then?

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                Gee Aye March 21, 2017 at 2:40 pm

                “A random thought on your block of dry ice. Its dimensions will be immediately reduced by sublimation.”

                You can claim such, but immediately can not happen even at room temperatures.
                At 194.66 K. sublimation is very slow and ceases at pressures above 3 MPa.

                “Our packaging dry ice is more like the ones shown in this video – I’ve decided to repeat this using the microwaves in the lab… OMG CAGW. ”

                Your video demonstrates how little experience you have in anything technical!
                OTOH the video shows how very much information a simple periodic table offers, for anyone interested in what is; rather than there self belief\fantasy of what is! ;-)

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                KinkyKeith March 21, 2017 at 9:17 pm

                “Well I did watch the video and my congratulations: we have a scientist in our midst.”

                Indeed many, but never the troll Gee Aye.

                “The frozoned CO2 seems to be unaffected by the heavy duty radiation from the microwave.”

                H2O absorbs much 2.45 GHz that the oven produces, CO2 absorbs almost nothing! Nor do the oven walls, even though that 2.45 GHz has a brightness temperature generally over 600K. Easy to boil water!

                “The next part of the experiment is to get the solid CO2 in the path of a good IR source. What then? ”

                A good IR source is a gas CO2 laser, 10.6 microns wavelength, and brightness temperature well over 20,000K. Melts steel. Still the solid CO2 would absorb very little, as EMR is never heat! If a surface of that solid CO2 had curvature the beam would focus (convex) or disperse (concave). Do not try this at home!! ;-)
                Why oh why are there folk like Gee Aye, that would rather believe a TV talking-head, rather than find someone with some experience? Even ‘mommy’ is better than TV or professors!
                All the best! -will-

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                Will… that was priceless, thanks.

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            Glen Michel

            It just goes to show how easy it is to attain a degree these days. D’s and HD’s handed out to all – for little effort.I know this. Golly, if I got a Credit in my assessments back in the early 70s I’d be stoked. Nah ,she’s a lightweight like the rest of them.Too easy.

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    Louis Hissink

    Climate science evolved from the arts faculties (Geography) but it’s clear Sophie doesn’t know how to think, only what to think.

    She might also contemplate what drives some people to anti-semitism – or for that matter anti-anything. Someone being anti-something means not liking the activities of the object of their concern. For example one might be anti-cannibal for the simple reason one fears meeting a cannibal and becoming the evening meal. So anti-religious means not appreciating religion being forced onto you. Anti-Hun would mean not appreciating the aesthetic sensitivities of vandalism.

    Perhaps its because the arts don’t really understand human action in the first place that is the problem.

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    mikewaite

    For me the really genuine paragraph in Sophie’s post was the last one :
    “Nonetheless, in recognising the sadness of our near neighbours, I also feel compelled to recognise the beauty and opportunity of my own life.
    Despite my uncomfortable internal conflicts, the impending arrival of a much-wanted baby is intensely joyful.”

    If I as a male can feel all other intellectual problems disappear into relative insignificance when holding a new born baby how
    much more will it affect the female who gave it life?
    For the next 10 years Sophie will concentrate on matters far more important than “climate change” and after that , well , the scare will have been resolved , one way or another.
    Wish you and the baby well Sophie

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      diogenese2

      This is one of the saddest post I have ever read. I do hope that last paragraph is truly genuine and extirpates her perverse perception that the child she carries is a bane on humanity rather than its salvation.
      “I hope today’s children, born of a complex admixture of anxiety, guilt and fear, but all the while fiercely desired, can do better than their parents did.”
      I certainly hope her child will and at least take the slightest interest in the history of their family and the whole world. Did Sophie NEVER talk to her grandmother about the world as it was and compare it with the world as it is now. My daughters , for school project, “interviewed” their grandmothers about life London 1940-45, including being on the receiving end of ballistic missiles. Somehow Sophie feels two hot springs in Australia portend doom for her child.

      http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2212094715300293

      I note that she has specialised in evaluating climate models. She was obviously impressed since these are central to her above foray into psychology.

      ” I demonstrate that observed temperature characteristics are irreconcilable with the personal perception-based understanding of extremes as artefacts only of natural climate variability. In addition to showing that the perception-based understanding of climate change and extremes adopted by Abbott (i.e., the Natural Variability Concept) is not fully consistent with the observed time series,”

      Wow “not fully consistent” – grant money well spent.

      “Directly addressing the misplaced foundational beliefs of the Natural Variability Concept, however, may help accurately communicate aspects of climate extremes more clearly to those open to learning from personal experiences.”

      Good luck in that.

      Reuseable nappies in the copper boiler (coal fired), 8 a day (at least), two hour feeds with little time to sleep in between. The joys of mastitis.
      Sophie – welcome to the real world.

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        Dave in the States

        It really is a shame to see the rising generation wringing their hands over, and planning their lives around, something that is not happening, and in which we have no control over, and will never have any control over.

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        Pauly

        Clearly, Sophie has paid little attention to the numerous failures of climate models. Here is another one, from Judith Curry’s site, that highlights the limitations of statistical techniques when applied to the occurrence of extreme weather events:

        https://judithcurry.com/2017/03/17/will-the-oroville-dam-survive-the-arkstorm/

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        Yonniestone

        Its very sad indeed, with the signs of a pre-birth depression of sorts already present in her mindset the future health of mother and child is of some concern, personally I’d like to see her and partner hold off until having a few sessions with a good psychologist.

        The impact of post natal depression can be devastating to the keenest, loving best prepared mothers, the potential impact on someone harbouring intense negativity to the idea could be deadly.

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      Greebo

      I hope you’re right, for her chid’s sake, but some of the most rabid activists I have encountered have been pushing prams.

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    manalive

    First world neurosis, at least she doesn’t have to worry about malnutrition or contaminated water or poor sanitation — gastroenteritis, measles, pertussis, polio, HIV and malaria etc.

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    Bengt Abelsson

    I am glad for her and her mate and hope that they will find happiness in their child – and to come to a realistic / pragmatic wiev on the wonders of life. Good luck, Sophie and all the best to you all.

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    Pat

    As the saying goes, you have to have a license to have a dog.
    That poor kid. having a wacko mother like Ms. Lewis.

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      gnome

      I keep telling my dog that but he does nothing about getting one.
      Other aspects of his behaviour too, are leading me to think my dog is an anarchist!

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    Orang Putih

    Perhaps the world would be a better place if those delicate souls like Sophie were not in the breeding pool. She should be encouraged in her beliefs that her potential offspring would be better left un-conceived.
    If she wants snowflakes, all she has to do is visit the northern hemisphere in January of any given year and she’ll get all she desires.

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    Amber

    The proposition in short is that humans can override natural climate variables
    by tweaking a trace gas Co2 that currently represents fraction of 1 % of the atmosphere .
    Is that basically it ? While in pretend mode and assuming the true believers in the scary global warming cult
    were absolutely right would each country get to vote on a temperature that suits them ? Would some
    like the great white north benefit from a titch more warming while those in the middle east prefer
    cooling ? After all if humans could actually whip up a climate temperature receipt who would win out at setting the temperature ?
    A committee , the biggest army ,the highest GDP ? Shouldn’t we just admit Mother Nature will balance all those conflicting
    business interests and we will just work with it . We can clean up plastic ,sewer discharge, street gum and leave the heavy lifting
    to Mother Nature . After all when you want something done right who is better at it ?
    The true cause of man made global warming is man made cash .

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    Homersan

    Get a grip…..your a scientist for goodness sake.

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    TedM

    How deluded can a woman be. Forget about pretending to be a scientist, just be a mother. You might actually succeed at that.

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    PeterS

    [SNIP. No thanks. - Jo]

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    TedM

    And don’t forget your meds.

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    Ross

    I’d like to know what other courses she did because the language she uses doesn’t read like a science graduate.

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      Albert

      They study only 1 side of science and everything that agrees with it, it’s like climate grants, nothing is granted for the opposing view, this alleged scientist is beyond help

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    Gary in Erko

    Let’s hope her baby quickly learns how to change her nappy.

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    Paul Bamford

    If this is the standard of climate science, then God help us all. Having final managing to have a baby, why would she put it in a trailer with the babies head just at bumper-bar level. My daughter lives in a trendy inner-city suburb of Melbourne (Abbottsford) and these dangerous contraptions are seen there much too often. If you take a baby in a car, then by law it must be in an approved baby capsule, but if it’s towed behind a bike at bumper-bar level then anything goes.

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    I clicked on the link without needing to check. Somehow I knew that this self-loathing, self-pitying hysteric would be getting her platform in the SMH. (If some harpie or cuck wants to complain that my use of the word “hysteric” is sexist, I will merely look at my watch in a bored fashion till the nagging stops, okay?)

    Pssst, Sophie. Laboring through prose like “the complexity of having an imagined child will become a concrete ethical entanglement” is a bit like swimming in a vat of molasses. Go back to your data-torturing and non-Kardashian models, you Holocene denier.

    Am I being harsh? Yes!

    Green Blob is a life-negating, human-hating monster. Fight it. Fight Green Blob!

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    Graham Richards

    In the push for reduction of the population she should be the first to go. I’m sure it’ll be a happy release for the long suffering moron. Not mention how happy the rest of will be about her new found sanctuary, free from all the concerns of an imagined malady.

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    KinkyKeith

    Ambers post above is gold:

    “if humans could whip up a climate recipe” who would win the contest?

    The widely used climate “models” of the current hysteria take a pinch of this and a pinch of that and unsubtlely fold in large quantities of IMMIR (imaginary man made IR).

    They aren’t MODELS.

    Even the very basic assessment provided by the quantification of the top IR predators goes ignored:

    1. Water at 96% of absorption

    2. Total CO2 at just over 3% and

    3. Human origin CO2 is maybe, at the most, 4% of total CO2 at 2 above. Nature beats us 96/4 in that game.

    Sadly, we humans are insignificant.

    But, but, but… Her written thesis is soooo convincing… The referencing is immaculately laid out.

    I just don’t understand how we got to this point.

    KK

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      F. Ross

      @KK
      Did I mis-interpret your points #2&3?

      I believe total atmospheric CO2 is about .04%; human contribution about 3% of that amount.(?)

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        KinkyKeith

        Hi Ross,

        All O.K.

        I was just being lazy and assumed 96/4 for both 1 and 2.

        I didn’t see much difference, so used that to avoid looking up to confirm which was the 97.

        :-)

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          bobl

          Just a point for the readers, the 97/3 split on natural vs human CO2 is subject to massive uncertainty. Natural Co2 emission has an error of IIRC 16% so the amount of uncertainty in natural emission is about 4 times the total of human emission!

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            KinkyKeith

            I can easily see that as the case Bob.

            The main thing is that human origin CO2 is very small and is wholly reabsorbed or sequestered in 4.5 years.

            Of course that’s the air we breathe, the oceans are another whole ball game.

            KK

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        StefanL

        Ross,
        I think what KK means is that CO2 accounts for only 3% of the total IR absorption by the atmosphere, while water vapour accounts for 96% (remaining 1% is due to methane, etc)

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      Water isn’t as high as 96%, even when clouds are considered. For the clear sky, water vapor is about 2/3 of the total GHG effect and CO2 is most of the rest. Considering 2/3 of the planet is covered by clouds and clouds absorb on average about 70% of the photons emitted by the surface. The total contribution by water is,

      1/3*2/3 + 2/3*.70 + 2/3*2/3*.30 = 82%

      which is still relatively large …

      The fact that clouds absorb surface energy and re-emit it back to the surface in much the same way as GHG’s do seems to be universally ignored by climate alarmists. The ONLY difference is that GHG’s are narrow band absorbers and emitters while clouds are broad band absorbers and emitters.

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        KinkyKeith

        Hi CO2 is not and F Ross,

        I was mainly looking at the relative absorption of water and CO2 and atmospheric content.

        Then I messed up by comparing the relative amounts of CO2 Nat and CO2 hum.

        Lazy.

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        KinkyKeith

        CO2 ine

        There is a retired IR specialist who gives relative absorption as per the figures I used. He measured them.

        As for “backradiation” ? Most clouds are going to be 5 C cooler than ground.

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          kk,
          Temperature doesn’t matter, Even at 5K colder, clouds are still radiating photons to the surface. The transfer of photons is different from the transfer of vibrational heat energy, which only goes from hot to cold. If you have an exoplanet with 2 Suns, each providing an average of 150 W/m^2, the total incident power would be 300 W/m^2.

          The point is that the ‘temperature’ of the ‘back radiation’ is irrelevant. All that matters is Joules, or the energy input as W/m^2, and Joules obey the property of superposition, that is, the average system behavior measured in Joules of output is mostly linear to Joules of input.

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            KinkyKeith

            I appreciate that photons may be radiated towards the surface that is warmer than the point of origin.

            The question is just how far do they get?

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              kk,

              “The question is just how far do they get?”

              Referring to the photons, it depends on the wavelength. If it’s in the transparent region (about half of the possible wavelengths), then the photon gets all the way to the surface at the speed of light. Otherwise, it will be intercepted by a GHG on the way to the surface, bounce around between GHG molecules and the photons energy will eventually either end up at the surface or back to the cloud in roughly equal proportions, albeit as a different photon.

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              KinkyKeith March 21, 2017 at 10:59 am

              “I appreciate that photons may be radiated towards the surface that is warmer than the point of origin.” The question is just how far do they get?”

              Can you define a “photon” please? Einstein admitted he could not; and never accepted the notion! The very first claim of thermal EM flux being emitted independent of opposing ‘radiance’ at any frequency came from a physics text by Goody (1964) based on a theory by Satyendranath Bose wrote a paper in 1924 in which he derived Planck’s quantum radiation law without referencing classical physics, and never referencing any electromagnetic by J.C. Maxwell! Thermal EM flux is never emitted in a direction of higher ‘radiance’ at any frequency.

              co2isnotevil March 22, 2017 at 2:38 am

              (kk, “The question is just how far do they get?”)

              “Referring to the photons, it depends on the wavelength. If it’s in the transparent region (about half of the possible wavelengths), then the photon gets all the way to the surface at the speed of light. Otherwise, it will be intercepted by a GHG on the way to the surface, bounce around between GHG molecules and the photons energy will eventually either end up at the surface or back to the cloud in roughly equal proportions, albeit as a different photon.”

              What total nonsense by the CAGW scammers! Again you reference fantasy ‘photons’ and claim they come in various ‘colors’. If physical, where can I buy an assortment of 64, like crayons? In industry the term ‘photon energy’ refers to a unit of Planck action (h)/(the time interval of one cycle of flux) at any frequency! Such has nothing to do with Einstein’s “photoelectric effect”, except for the ‘concept of power density’! Photoelectric effect depends on the electron emission ‘work function’ of the absorbing matter.
              All the best! -will-

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                Will,

                Photons are readily defined as a bundle of EM energy whose energy is equal to Planck’s constant times the frequency (E = hv). EM energy is readily quantified by Maxwell’s equations as orthogonal, time varying electric and magnetic fields and an associated inductance and capacitance. Quantum mechanics (specifically Schroedinger’s wave equation) combined with EM physics quantifies photons in a very precise manner, so your assertion that photons do not exist is incorrect, especially since you can’t otherwise explain the evidence that they do.

                What makes them hard to understand for those who can only comprehend flat space-time is that they do not exist at a point in time or space, but exists concurrently across a volume of space proportional to its wavelength and a region of time proportional to its period where Planck’s constant, h, quantifies both the energy required to spread out across space-time (hv) and its imprecise existence in the form of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle.

                The fact that macroscopic radiation laws can be approximately inferred classically is much like how Newton’s Law of gravitation approximately describes gravity across narrow conditions, while GR describes it over all possible conditions, so your point is moot.

                The impedance of free space is given by Z0=sqrt(u0/e0) and approximately equal to 377 ohms. The impedance of the volume of space-time occupied by a photon, is Zp = Zo/a, where a is the fine structure constant where Zp becomes about 52K ohms. Zp is also the resonant impedance of the EQUIVALENT L and C of the photon as constrained by its required energy (hv).

                Interestingly enough, if you consider the fine structure constant a scalar metric of a space-time curvature applied to the space-time occupied by a photon, it warps the geometry in such a way that the equivalent L of half the space-time occupied by the photon increases as the equivalent C of the other half decreases and the resulting impedance at resonance becomes Z0/a. Note that this is the fundamental connection between gravity (space-time curvature) and electromagnetics.

                FYI, I am nothing close to a CAGW scammer, but I clearly understand that the GHG effect is finite and completely quantified as the actions of photons. The effect is just no where as large as claimed, but is certainly not zero. Claiming that it is zero is counterproductive to the skeptical cause and supplies ammunition to the alarmists to dismiss all opposition.

                Just because alarmist get climate science wrong, doesn’t mean all of science is broken. There’s far too much evidence that photons exist to casually dismiss them just because you don’t understand them or you think that you can make the GHG effect disappear by denying their existence.

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                co2isnotevil March 23, 2017 at 4:37 am

                “Will, Photons are readily defined as a bundle of EM energy whose energy is equal to Planck’s constant times the frequency (E = hv).”

                That is the engineering definition of an “EMR quantum”, never a photon, except as an inside joke. For Einstein’s nickel electron emission, near room temperature, Takes absorption of between 5-7 of 450nm quanta before electron emission. It is the emission of the electron that is the characteristic of photoelectric effect. The quantum is a unit of “action”, the energy transfer within a fixed time interval, also known as power density in four-space!

                “EM energy is readily quantified by Maxwell’s equations as orthogonal, time varying electric and magnetic fields and an associated inductance and capacitance.”

                What glorious nonsense! You write of EM field strength (potential) only, never of flux. Any emitted flux is always limited to the difference in opposing potentials at each frequency.

                “Quantum mechanics (specifically Schroedinger’s wave equation) combined with EM physics quantifies photons in a very precise manner, so your assertion that photons do not exist is incorrect, especially since you can’t otherwise explain the evidence that they do.”

                What EM physics quantifies what does not exist? All measurable EM flux (a macroscopic property) completely explains all EMR effect that can be measured, or ever has been detected.

                “What makes them hard to understand for those who can only comprehend flat space-time is that they do not exist at a point in time or space, but exists concurrently across a volume of space proportional to its wavelength and a region of time proportional to its period where Planck’s constant, h, quantifies both the energy required to spread out across space-time (hv) and its imprecise existence in the form of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle.”

                That is quite correct for an EMR quantum. Such ‘may’ or ‘may not’ result in a change in “photoelectric effect” (electron emission) from say heated thorium that is already emitting electrons do to thermionic emission! Why would anyone seriously call such a “photon”? OTOH the generation of a minority carrier in a cold lattice structure with defects is observable and sometimes countable with an electron microscope.

                “The fact that macroscopic radiation laws can be approximately inferred classically is much like how Newton’s Law of gravitation approximately describes gravity across narrow conditions, while GR describes it over all possible conditions, so your point is moot.”

                You seem to forget that all EM radiative flux is by definition a macroscopic, never microscopic effect. A watt/m² is macroscopic. A 0.1ev/(s x mm²) is likely microscopic.

                “The impedance of free space is given by Z0=sqrt(u0/e0) and approximately equal to 377 ohms. The impedance of the volume of space-time occupied by a photon, is Zp = Zo/a, where a is the fine structure constant where Zp becomes about 52K ohms. Zp is also the resonant impedance of the EQUIVALENT L and C of the photon as constrained by its required energy (hv).”

                Just what may you mean by EQUIVALENT L and C of a 450 nm photon quantum constrained by its required assumed energy (hv)? ‘Z0=sqrt(u0/e0)’ is but some gross assumption that both u0 and e0 remain constant in other than local space-time. Can you describe why such assumption i9s in fact viable!

                “Interestingly enough, if you consider the fine structure constant a scalar metric of a space-time curvature applied to the space-time occupied by a photon, it warps the geometry in such a way that the equivalent L of half the space-time occupied by the photon increases as the equivalent C of the other half decreases and the resulting impedance at resonance becomes Z0/a. Note that this is the fundamental connection between gravity (space-time curvature) and electromagnetics.”

                Such is fine conjecture and is somewhat arithmetically consistent with some measurements, thus possible. Can you please show where such conjecture has ever been physically observed or measured.

                “FYI, I am nothing close to a CAGW scammer, but I clearly understand that the GHG effect is finite and completely quantified as the actions of photons. The effect is just no where as large as claimed, but is certainly not zero.”

                As long as you claim opposing thermal flux at any frequency, you indeed have been brainwashed, like most recent academics, into actually being a CAGW scammer! Can you actually provide even one demonstration of opposing thermal flux?

                “Claiming that it is zero is counter productive to the skeptical cause and supplies ammunition to the alarmists to dismiss all opposition.”

                I could care less about fake skeptics that clearly demonstrate no more ability to learn beyond brainwashing, than the alarmists! Sh*tcan all!

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                Will,

                “The quantum is a unit of “action”, the energy transfer within a fixed time interval, also known as power density in four-space!”

                What we consider a photon is the projection into flat space-time of a resonance in curved space-time, where energy stored in this resonance is quantified by E = 1/2 CV^2 = hv where v = 1/sqrt(LC), sqrt(u0/e0)/a = sqrt(L/C), V = q0/C and h, a, e0, u0 and q0 are fundamental constants. Note that the fine structure constant, a, can be expressed as the ratio of impedances, Z0/Zp, where Z0 = sqrt(u0/e0) and Zp = q0^2/2h. Note also that a = 1/Q, where Q is the Q factor of the resonant curved space-time relative to flat space-time. E and v are readily measured and the constraints of Maxwell’s equations combined with E=hv solves for everything else.

                The resonance can also be quantified as a solution to GR where the stress energy tensor representation of a photon is equivalent to a curvature tensor representing equal and opposite amounts of space-time, half more curved and the other half less curved than the space-time the photon is passing through.

                Regarding the constant nature of e0 and u0 is that they reflect the values for flat space time which is constant. To change them requires warping the geometries relative to the observing frame and this is what the energy of the photons existence does.

                I don’t know what you mean by “As long as you claim opposing thermal flux at any frequency”. Photon fluxes do not oppose each other since photons are bundles of energy and energy can be neither created or destroyed. This is why interference patterns arise instead of absolute wave cancellation and the ‘brightness’ of the interference patterns still reflect the combined energy of the interfering photon streams.

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                co2isnotevil March 23, 2017 at 10:33 am

                (Will, “The quantum is a unit of “action”, the energy transfer within a fixed time interval, also known as power density in four-space!”)

                “What we consider a photon is the projection into flat space-time of a resonance in curved space-time,”

                What you mean by ‘we’ white man? Are you pregnant or have mice in your pockets? Perhaps you refer to some self appointed elite academic consensus that ignores any ‘scientific method’, in favor of abstract fantasy! How does your we, conflict with my above quote? your ‘fake photon’ is identical to my observable, measurable electromagnetic radiative quantum? Why insist on some ‘fake term photon’ when no-one outside of your ‘consensus group’ have any clue as to what you may be expressing? What extreme hubris\audacity\arrogance from self appointed elite!

                “where energy stored in this resonance is quantified by E = 1/2 CV^2 = hv where v = 1/sqrt(LC), sqrt(u0/e0)/a = sqrt(L/C), V = q0/C and h, a, e0, u0 and q0 are fundamental constants. Note that the fine structure constant, a, can be expressed as the ratio of impedances, Z0/Zp, where Z0 = sqrt(u0/e0) and Zp = q0^2/2h. Note also that a = 1/Q, where Q is the Q factor of the resonant curved space-time relative to flat space-time. E and v are readily measured and the constraints of Maxwell’s equations combined with E=hv solves for everything else.”

                So what? Fine alphabet soup! OTOH you can demonstrate nothing physical of your fantasy!

                “I don’t know what you mean by “As long as you claim opposing thermal flux at any frequency”.

                Thermal EMR flux is defined as macroscopic EM power transfer through a determined cross sectional area normal to such power transfer. Not only does opposing flux not exist, such must violate the very definition of the word “flux”!

                “Photon fluxes do not oppose each other since photons are bundles of energy and energy can be neither created or destroyed. This is why interference patterns arise instead of absolute wave cancellation and the ‘brightness’ of the interference patterns still reflect the combined energy of the interfering photon streams.”

                What total nonsense! The interference patterns as measured, clearly demonstrate the limitation of flux by any opposing “field strength” aka ‘radiance’!

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                Will,
                I’ve been patient with you considering that you do seem to know that the GHG effect is greatly over-estimated by the IPCC, but your extreme intransigence per your belief that the surface temperature is solely a function of the lapse rate and that most of EM theory and Quantum Mechanics is wrong means that you’ll never understand the relevant physics. You also need to learn how to argue with facts, rather than with insults. When you argue with insults it just presents the impression that you have no facts to support your position or dispute the opposing position.

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                co2isnotevil March 23, 2017 at 2:13 pm

                “Will, I’ve been patient with you considering that you do seem to know that the GHG effect is greatly over-estimated by the IPCC”

                Thank you for your patience! Can you provide, not theory, but actual evidence that physically exists or even can exist some radiative GHG effect?

                “but your extreme intransigence per your belief that the surface temperature is solely a function of the lapse rate”

                I have never claimed such! The static atmospheric gravitational temperature lapse has been clearly demonstrated to exist in any planetary atmosphere with pressure above 20kPa. That static lapse is wildly modified by any atmospheric motion, latent heat, and of course atmospheric EMR exitance to space.

                “and that most of EM theory and Quantum Mechanics is wrong means that you’ll never understand the relevant physics.”

                All of EM theory and confirming measurement is clearly defined in J C Maxwell’s 22 quaternion equations. The four John Pointing vector equations, as now taught, completely discard all of the imbedded Lorentz invariance in the 22 by Maxwell! Such simplification also discards the important distinction between an EM field strength and the similar looking EM flux.
                Almost all educational Quantum Mechanics is but quantum nonsense. If not assisted by good experience\learning of elapsed time conjugate -1/t!

                “You also need to learn how to argue with facts, rather than with insults. When you argue with insults it just presents the impression that you have no facts to support your position or dispute the opposing position.”

                When have you ever presented any physical fact? All you seem to have is pink unicorn fantasy. OTOH I generally write only of some alternate POV (mine) for your consideration or not. I truly have nothing to sell!

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                Will,

                “Can you provide, not theory, but actual evidence that physically exists or even can exist some radiative GHG effect?”

                The theory that half of the radiation absorbed by the atmosphere is returned to the surface as photons and the remaining half escapes to space is unconditionally and incontrovertibly validated with satellite data. Feel free to try and explain this otherwise.

                https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/01/05/physical-constraints-on-the-climate-sensitivity/

                You might also try and explain the double slit experiment without invoking Quantum Mechanics. There are many other validations of QM including the absorption/emission spectrum of Hydrogen based on Schroedinger’s wave equation which is derived from quantum mechanical considerations.

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                co2isnotevil March 24, 2017 at 3:53 am

                (Will, “Can you provide, not theory, but actual evidence that physically exists or even can exist some radiative GHG effect?”)

                “The theory that half of the radiation absorbed by the atmosphere is returned to the surface as photons and the remaining half escapes to space is unconditionally and incontrovertibly validated with satellite data.”

                Can you ever get a clue to physical evidence instead of your obscene fantasy? Can you even define evidence? Your ‘satellite data’ can only indicate crude spectral exitance from below with detectors having very low self ‘radiance’, and even this corrected by calibration! Such sensors cannot detect any of your claimed atmospheric absorption nor any actual surface emission at any wavelength where there can possibly be some radiant attenuation. It is impossible for such sensors to distinguish surface flux through the atmosphere from flux emitted to space from the atmosphere! Beside your satellite cannot measure any of your foolishly claimed returned flux, for two reasons. 1) looking the wrong way. 2) there is no such returned flux!

                “Feel free to try and explain this otherwise.: https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/01/05/physical-constraints-on-the-climate-sensitivity/

                Ha! What is there to explain? from your reference:

                For matter that’s absorbing and emitting energy, the emissions consequential to its temperature can be calculated exactly using the Stefan-Boltzmann Law,
                1) P = εσT^4

                Firstly, there is no S-B Law, only a S-B equation with two temperature terms enclosed in required parenthesis, to force proper evaluation! P = εσ(T1^4-T2^4)… Proper evaluation would resolve both the difference in radiance (magnitude) and direction of the only permitted one way flux! That ε is a complex term involving the spectral emissivity of both ‘flat surfaces’ plus attenuation of the any intervening medium! Secondly, The author of that article is spouting only the Climate Clown mantra which has no possible scientific merit! Thirdly, You in every comment. in that article spout only the Climate Clown mantra, although many others tried to correct your errors, hence they also have no possible scientific merit!

                “You might also try and explain the double slit experiment without invoking Quantum Mechanics.”

                Oh goodie! The double slit experiment is definite falsification of your claim of ‘photon energy’ = (hv). (hv) is only one quantum of EMR flux.

                EMR is always generated as a spherical wavefront of many many cycles! if left alone such wavefront simply expands at the speed of light with no interference only flux diminishing at 1/r². However, through two or more equally spaced slits that wavefront regenerates itself as a new spherical wavefront at each slit but each with a coherence interval similar to the original wavefront. The projected spectral intensity “irradiance” is filled with interference patterns functions of frequency, slit spacing, and new projection radius! all physically demonstrable (evidence) every day all over the world! No quantum creepiness there at all!

                “There are many other validations of QM including the absorption/emission spectrum of Hydrogen based on Schroedinger’s wave equation which is derived from quantum mechanical considerations.”

                I have no problem with any of the Quantum versions as long as they remain strictly ‘theoretical’ until physically demonstrable! You OTOH seem to promote any WAG that your cubie mate agrees therewith; a consensus! :-)

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                Will,
                If you can’t accept the results of the scientific method, then there’s no purpose continuing. Testing and falsification are how physics evolves and you have not falsified any of my hypotheses, while first principles physics falsifies yours.

                BTW, you could not be more wrong about SB not being a Law and Quantum Mechanics being strictly theoretical. Not only is SB a Law, it can be derived from first principles. Semiconductors, superconductors, atomic energy, absorption/emission line physics, the LHC and much more provide physically demonstrable tests of the predictions of Quantum Mechanics.

                Ironically, GR and QM are among the most tested and verified theories of physics, despite the fact that gravity is not adequately explained by QM, particles are not currently explained by GR and in some ways they contradict each other. However; this doesn’t preclude a more comprehensive theory that connects QM to GR where both become a degenerate case of the more comprehensive theory.

                While our perception is flat, we know space-time is curved because the Universe manifests the behavior predicted by GR. Fundamental particles are not directly perceptible either, but we know they exist because they manifest the behavior predicted by Quantum Mechanics.

                Considering EMR as either a spherical wavefront or photons is well known and called wave-particle duality.

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                co2isnotevil March 24, 2017 at 10:49 am

                “If you can’t accept the results of the scientific method, then there’s no purpose continuing. Testing and falsification are how physics evolves and you have not falsified any of my hypotheses, while first principles physics falsifies yours.”

                Your hypotheses claims, that thermal electromagnetic flux must be generated\emitted in a direction of higher radiance in all direction and at every frequency. Do you have any any possible scientific method that can falsify some fantasy that has never ever been observed?

                “while first principles physics falsifies yours.”
                Just where do your principles falsify the concept of spontaneity only in the direction of lower potential, the second law of thermodynamics!

                “BTW, you could not be more wrong about SB not being a Law”
                There can be no scientific Law that claims fantasy never observed!

                “and Quantum Mechanics being strictly theoretical.”

                Quantum anything is fine conjecture!
                The physical must be measurable, or must remain conjecture!

                “Not only is SB a Law, it can be derived from first principles. Semiconductors, superconductors, atomic energy, absorption/emission line physics”

                OK None of these require thermal EMR flux in opposing directions! The one way difference in EM field strength explains all with no ‘hinted’ violation of 2LTD!

                “the LHC and much more provide physically demonstrable tests of the predictions of Quantum Mechanics.”

                Again I have no problem with anything physically demonstrable. OTOH you claim quantum nonsense of that, never even observed.
                On every count you cannot ever demonstrate any thermal EMR power transfer in a direction of higher ‘radiance’! Your whole GHG concept needs no falsification because none of this SCAM has any evidence of ever existing.

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                co2isnotevil March 24, 2017 at 10:49 am

                “Considering EMR as either a spherical wavefront or photons is well known and called wave-particle duality.”

                Such wave-particle duality seems not even slightly known with some understanding by you! You appear on this blog as some young physics PhD. A college lecturer that truly believes his textbook from which he spouts, is some sort of bible that contains ‘wisdom’ that his poor hapless students must have!
                What nonsense! His students would be much better off by learning ‘how to rob a 7-Eleven store’, by someone skilled in robbing a 7-Eleven store!!

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                KinkyKeith

                Will at # 25.2.2.1.2

                That’s a real tour de force.

                Henceforth and forever more I will not mention photons in polite company.

                The CAGW scammers have done very well out of taking a scientific concept and using a few key phrases from that area to pretend to be discussing science.

                The “backradiation” effect is one such nonsense that sounds very sciencey but ain’t real.

                KK

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                kk,
                Back radiation is a real thing. The problem is that the way Trenberth defines it is incorrect. He conflates energy transported by matter with energy transported by photons and calls both returns of energy to the surface back radiation. He neglects the fact that only photons contribute to the radiative balance of the planet and that the transport of energy from the surface by matter (latent heat, thermals, convection, etc) has a zero sum effect at the surface, relative to the RADIATIVE balance of the planet. All effects they may have are already embodied by the surface temperature and its consequential emissions.

                He also conflates the effects of GHG’s with the effects of clouds in order to make the GHG effect seem much larger than it really is. The total amount of back radiation required to offset the 385 W/m^2 of surface emissions consequential to its average temperature arising from only 240 W/m^2 is 385-240 = 145 W/m^2. This is what Will is missing as he can’t accept that there must be 145 W/m^2 of photons recirculated to the surface from GHG’s and clouds in order to achieve the requisite surface temperature. This is not new energy, but is surface emissions being delayed by GHG’s and clouds before being returned to the surface.

                If you are familiar with the Z domain (discrete time S domain), the back radiation is a Z^-1 term which is added to the Z^0 term coming from the Sun, where the discrete time interval is the average delay between the surface emissions and when that energy is returned to the surface.

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        Howie from Indiana

        There is a large amount of empirical evidence that carbon dioxide doesn’t contribute to atmospheric warming.

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    There is actually hope for the angst of the climate scientist. If climate catastrophes are inevitable, how about learning to adapt to that future? A first step is to at least get a track record in short-term predictions, which might give an understanding of the where, when, what, likelihood and magnitude of future catastrophes. The at least you can minimize the false panic. Problem is, in so doing, they may find out that there may be no real cause for alarm. The biggest thing that they have to confront is that their beliefs about the world are wholly false. That for some is too much to cope with.

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    TdeF

    That’s just comic tragic.

    Seven billion people on the planet and her concern is how much difference her baby will make to ‘Climate Change’ whatever that is. As a professional ‘Climate Scientist’ it is easy to see why we have problems with a total lack of objectivity so extraordinary in a supposedly rational scientist. It perhaps explains why South Australia has banned Carbon Dioxide.

    You wonder what her BSc at Monash really entailed? After all, Flannery went through Monash for an MSC after a BA degree in English at LaTrobe.

    Possibly we need a new classification for Scientist which excludes numeracy.

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      Geoffrey Williams

      Correct TdeF . . .
      ‘a supposedly rational scientist’
      GeoffW

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      Greg Cavanagh

      “Possibly we need a new classification for Scientist which excludes numeracy.”
      Interesting point, and you are right. Also do the same for doctorates as a doctor of history is not the same as a doctor of medicine. We really do need different names for critical and non-critical thinking. A doctorate in philosophy should not carry the same name (or social status) as a doctorate in medicine.

      The term “scientist” is a place-holder position anyway. And I positively hate it when the MSM use “expert”, I immediately reject anything an expert says and doubly so when the media report it.

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        Greg Cavanagh March 20, 2017 at 1:51 pm

        “Interesting point, and you are right. Also do the same for doctorates as a doctor of history is not the same as a doctor of medicine. We really do need different names for critical and non-critical thinking. A doctorate in philosophy should not carry the same name (or social status) as a doctorate in medicine.”

        A doctor of medicine always has ‘some practice’ as a requirement! Again try the Guild system (apprentice, journeyman, master) such may possibly work. All are promoted from below, never above! “He is called master because he makes the difficult seem easy, while always mentioning that the ‘impossible’ may take a bit longer”. After ‘master’ has had 15 years of ‘habilitation’, that MASTER may have something to ‘PROFESS–OR’ not! :-)

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    Mark

    Original sin
    or
    ‘We’ll all be doomed, said Hanrahan.’

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    toorightmate

    [SNIP. C'mon... - J]

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    John Smith

    Wait … isn’t this actually script dialogue from the movie “Idiocracy”?

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    Fin

    “Nowadays, the very act of living in Australia, regardless of concern for our climate future, is detrimental.”

    Beyond buffoonery. Pack your bags, Sophie. Please, go!

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    Amber

    Feeling the way she does the big issue is it wouldn’t be fair to the baby .
    Course someone thought enough of her to bring her into this big bad ass world .
    Sounds like there is a little more going on here than is being blamed on the current fear of the state of the world .

    As my Mom used to remind us the entire human species could be gone under
    the right circumstances in less than 100 years of it’s earths +/- 4.5 billion existence .

    I like earths chances .

    Have a kid and you find out how selfish you are. Gives you something to fret about and despite the joy and work
    the great thing is they aren’t a climate Armageddon con job . Maybe they will even do some good .

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    ROM

    To take a much more cynical view of Climate scientist, Sophie Lewis’s concerns about the impact of her baby on the global climate!

    First, I really do pity her and her brand of psychology that sees demons and devils and disaster and destruction and deprivation and chaos around every tiny corner and residing in every doorway that leads into any sort of future for humanity and the planet.
    All due apparently to mankind’s catastrophic impact on the climate, fears which she seems to have been able to quite unemotionally shut off whilst conceiving her baby.

    To have such a constant and such a deep fear driven mentality extending over so much of ones lifetime as well as extending by proxy into the future of one’s children must be one of the most depressing mental characteristics that any human could face, especially as the climate catastrophe fear driven ones always completely fail to provide any hard data driven evidence to support the claim that their fears are justified.

    The only evidence provided being a great deal of arm waving and much quoting of supposed natural occurring events that are outside of the proponent’s usually just a couple of decades long personal experiences of weather and climate .
    Especially so if they are from the highly protected for most of their limited lives from the real weather and climate elements in the city and academic centric locations.
    ————-
    And for the completely cynical bit;

    The Climate scientist Sophie Lewis’s of this world do have a very high degree of well practiced acting abilities to be able to turn the tears and fears and etc on and off according to the amounts of funding required and the tenor of the audience and / or media interviewing them so as to increase their personal status and public exposure such performances may invoke amongst the all powerful and sympathetic to leftist causes, media.

    And when such climate scientist acting essentials acquired from the Hollywood script versions of climate science are not needed to reinforce their personal exposure and funding uplift, life and every about it just resumes as for the Climate scienctist Sophie Lewis’s of this world just as for any other street level citizen.
    the climate fear being safely esconced ina brain cavity somewhere ready to be wheeled out again to take advantage of yet another climate scientist’s Oscar level performance of “climate fear” and “foreboding”.

    Count me not just cynical but very cynical re Sophie Lewis and her “fears” but also straight out contemptuous of her so called “fearful performance”, fears of which none cannot be resolved by some extra media exposure and a 50% increase in grant funding plus a nice lucrative few months off on full pay for Maternity Leave.

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    Ruairi

    Those warmists who fear that a child,
    Could leave our green planet defiled,
    Or that one baby primate,
    Could change Earth’s whole climate,
    Are by climate-change hot air beguiled.

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    Geoffrey Williams

    I feel very sorry for Sophie; it’s a great shame that she should feel this way about having a child.
    On the broader issue of population control,then yes,I think that it is desirable for the future of mankind on this planet that we consider this matter.
    GeoffW

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      Geoffrey Williams

      For the above ‘mankind’ – please read ‘humankind’ . .
      GeoffW

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        Annie

        No, mankind will do. We are talking of the race, not the male only. Dogs aren’t called ‘caninekind’ nor are cats called ‘felinekind’ nor horses ‘equinekind’. Properly understood, ‘man’ is the race as a whole, ‘dog’ likewise, etc.

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        Greg Cavanagh

        Man is both a species and a gender term.

        Exhibit A
        “And God said, Let us make man in our image… male and female created he them.”

        What did he create? Man, used in this way it is referring to ALL of man kind. He then goes on to make clear that male and female are included in the term “man”.

        It is the modern progressive world (and the women’s lib movement of the 70′s) that has corrupted our language and common understanding of words.

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          Greg Cavanagh

          My point is that use of “man” to denote mankind is a very, very old wording that hasn’t changed much through the centuries. Until the women’s libbers of the 70′s hit the streets and got upset about every word with “man” in it.

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            Greg Cavanagh March 20, 2017 at 4:06 pm

            “My point is that use of “man” to denote mankind is a very, very old wording that hasn’t changed much through the centuries.”

            That is generic for Earth’s top predictor! for a short while Earthlings! The importance is in both “current top predator” and ‘in the image of GOD’.
            “IMAGE” is defined as a projection of ‘whatever’ upon a lower dimensional manifold. Such precludes any possible understanding\knowledge at all, of ‘whatever’, AKA GOD! Get over it clown!

            ‘Until the women’s libbers of the 70′s hit the streets and got upset about every word with “man” in it.’

            Have you asked the promoters of ‘libbers’ if they are proud to be members of much more viscous top predictors than their opposing plumbing Gays? The libbers seem to enjoy eating\consuming their own offspring! How does that work again?
            All the best! m-will-

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              KinkyKeith

              Slow down Will.
              :-)

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                The new Glenfiddich is GREAT! Only kitten ‘Shadow’ Has me so brainwashed that I believe she loves me! IS there any slowing down?————-*

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                Yonniestone

                You sound like a great Mum Will, I just hope Shadow isn’t still breastfeeding!

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                Yonniestone March 20, 2017 at 7:04 pm

                “You sound like a great Mum Will, I just hope Shadow isn’t still breastfeeding!”

                Naw. Shadow always presents me with her catch of the day. Mouse, bird, squirrel, whatever. this is to remind, that the royal WE does not ‘need’ the crap ‘cat food’ you purchase at the grocery. OTOH she can smile and ask that I please use my wonderful opposing thumbs to open a can of same ‘cat food’! If I respond to slowly, there is the unmistakable scowl of “wars my food”. She also has the ability to make one pounce from any location onto my\her keyboard and locks computer up such that I must disconnect power for 4 minutes before the damned thing will reboot! She then smiles while contentedly licking her ass. O whoa are we!!

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                KinkyKeith

                I did try some Glenn at your recommendation but can’t remember what it tasted like. Must get another.

                The only Scotch that really impressed me at first go was white Heather but it no longer seems to be available locally.

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                KinkyKeith March 20, 2017 at 10:33 pm

                “I did try some Glenn at your recommendation but can’t remember what it tasted like. Must get another. The only Scotch that really impressed me at first go was white Heather but it no longer seems to be available locally.”

                Supposedly (not been there), the very bestus fermented malted barley + peat-moss, then distilled and aged in used oaken wine kegs, is produced on your island of Tasmania. OTOH when I checked, prices were obscene! Perhaps I have a lousy palate. :-)

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              Graeme No.3

              By the way, I realise that MANhole cover had to go, but PerSON hole must have been equally offensive to some. What did they come up with that is acceptable to them?

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              Greg Cavanagh

              “IMAGE” is defined as a projection of ‘whatever’ upon a lower dimensional manifold”

              This is a modern concept. When those words were penned; weather you believe that was Moses 3000 years ago, or by somebody in the last 500 years, Projectors didn’t exist.

              Actually, there is “apparently” evidence that Leonardo De Vinci used some form of projector to create some of his paintings. I read that in an art book “Renaissance Art” I’m currently reading. No idea if it’s true, and the author wasn’t convinced it was true either.

              So; “in our image”, could mean several things. I favour the two legs two arms no wings version, but it could mean “having a soul” as well as others.

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                Greg Cavanagh March 21, 2017 at 1:59 pm

                (“IMAGE” is defined as a projection of ‘whatever’ upon a lower dimensional manifold”)

                “Projectors didn’t exist.”

                Projection need not be mechanical, only mathematical projective geometry. Try to actually project four-space onto your 2D monitor screen. Motion and the concept of ‘prospective’, a projective construction device, helps the imagination greatly! How much of that is knowledge or even learning anything except mathematical projective geometry itself? Conceptualize the magnitude of what is necessarily absent from that ‘Image of GOD’? In earthlings such must be absent!

                “So; “in our image”, could mean several things. I favour the two legs two arms no wings version, but it could mean “having a soul” as well as others.”

                INDEED! You describe Peshmerga well, but also Kangaroo and Meerkat! What is clearly absent is ‘all powerful and all knowing’! Even the local Greek Gods never had both! :-)

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            Greebo

            Rather like some Irish acquaintances of mine who insisted on calling Londonderry simply Derry.

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          Annie

          I think that’s part of what I said!

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    cedarhill

    Anyone know how many species “self-extincted” or will humans be the first?

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    Geoffrey Williams

    I have to comment yet again, suddenly methinks Sophie is ‘gay’ Oops,not that it matters. Oops,Should I have said that?
    GeoffW

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    pat

    Sophie’s bio at The Conversation includes:

    2011 The Australian National University, Doctor of Philosophy
    2006 Monash University , Bachelor of Science (First Class)

    Sept 2013: SMH: Sophie Lewis: Debunking the persistent myth that global warming stopped in 1998
    Dr Sophie Lewis is a research fellow in climate science, based the University of Melbourne and the ARC Centre of Excellence for Climate System Science. ***She is visiting The Age as part of a scientist-in-residence program organised by the Australian Science Media Centre.
    http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/debunking-the-persistent-myth-that-global-warming-stopped-in-1998-20130927-2ui8j.html
    Austn Inst of Policy & Science (AIPS): Dr Sophie Lewis
    Sophie was embedded at The Age newspaper in 2013 as the inaugural Australian Science Media Centre Scientist in Residence, publishing an expert comment addressing the myth that global warming had ceased. She was selected as a participant in the competitive Climate Fellows Program facilitated by the Climate Commission, a four-month science communication fellowship that led to numerous radio and television interviews and several articles on the news web site The Conversation. I have participated in school-based and community outreach programs and public science events, including as one of four invited experts at the AMOS State of the Climate 2014 public forum in Melbourne, which was attended by 300 people…

    Wikpedia: Australian Science Media Centre: The AusSMC receives funding from sponsors. Each sponsor’s contribution is capped at 10% of the centre’s operating costs. Foundation partners are: ABC, Australia-Pacific LNG, CSIRO, Fairfax media, Government of South Australia, isentia, News Corp Australia, NSW Government, RiAus, University of Melbourne, University of New South Wales, Government of Victoria, Flinders University, Inspiring Australia, CSL, AIA, Orica, Squiz, University of Queensland, University of Technology Sydney (UTS) and Curtin University. The centre acknowledges the Government of South Australia for significant support of the AusSMC’s development, including providing financial support for infrastructure set-up costs and in kind assistance.

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      KinkyKeith

      She was embedded.

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        Yonniestone

        Well at lest the basics are there, the psychological damage from exposure to the Age is something else entirely.

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          There is nothing about her actual education, just “climate science” repeated over and over–no more than a chanted mantra, really, and as I have said over and over, based on the evidence I have turned up at every turn, there is no valid climate science, and no competent climate scientists. Her level of delusion suggests to me a good portion of sociology and/or psychology, totally negating any hard science education. That is confirmed by her letting her feelings dominate, characteristically negative and to an insane level, as is to be expected in a cult delusion (which is always driven to absolute control, in fending off reality).

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        Greebo

        That’s usually what causes it.

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    pat

    Sept 2014: ABC Lateline: Human contribution to hottest year
    Five separate studies have concluded that human induced climate change was a contributing factor in Australia recording its hottest year on record in 2013.
    JASON OM: Joint research by ***David Karoly and Sophie Lewis used climate modelling to compare the factors of natural variability and human activity. They found human-induced climate change was a major factor for the hottest summer and spring on record.
    SOPHIE LEWIS: We found it was virtually impossible for those temperatures that we experienced in 2013 to occur without greenhouse gases…
    http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2014/s4097844.htm

    ***ANU: Dr Sophie Lewis
    (Publications – multiple collaborations with David Karoly)
    https://researchers.anu.edu.au/researchers/lewis-sc

    Jan 2016: SMH: Peter Hannam: Record hot end to 2015 for Australia as giant El Nino dominates
    “Our research from 2015 shows that record-breaking hot temperatures over the last 15 years outnumber new cold records by a factor of 12-to-one [in Australia],” Sophie Lewis, a research fellow at the Australian National University and the ARC Centre of Excellence for Climate System Science, said.
    “This dramatic increase in hot records in recent years is not random; it is linked to human-caused climate change,” Dr Lewis said. “Combined with strong El Nino conditions, we should be prepared for hot conditions to continue in Australia in 2016.”…

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      ROM

      So Sophie Lewis has done some “climate modelling research” [ ?? ] with David Karoly which about gives a 100% guarantee that it will on the far right hand end of the maximum of alarmist predictions.
      And the resulting predictions won’t be worth a half a dozen of the electrons which have been wasted on the modelling and the publicity.

      Anybody who has anything to do with David Karoly had better have every CAGW / Climate change alarmist box ticked in a very striking ink or you will be classed as a “denier” and lose your funding.

      Karoly makes Obama’s “Holdren” and Merkel’s “Schellenhuber” look like full on climate moderates when it comes to anything climate which gives some indication of the level of Sophie Lewis’s contribution to the science of the climate..

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    John of Cloverdale, WA, Australia

    Dr Sophie Lewis is a climate scientist, a research fellow at the Australian National University and has an article in the SMH. Says it all really!

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    John of Cloverdale, WA, Australia

    My god, I looked at Dr. Sophie’s photo and wondered if “she” was Penny Wong’s “sister”.

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    AndreWA

    Snowflakes are such beautiful things.
    It’s kinda sad that they disappear when any level of heat is applied.

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    Annie

    If she felt that strongly about not adding to human numbers then she should have taken precautions.

    Anyway, we humans are part of the planet’s species and have an absolute God-given right to be here. It is people like her, bleating about climate change/ AGW who are the biggest current problem to the sanity of us all.

    Having said that, I hope the advent of her baby brings her to some reality and joy. We used to have secondhand prams, washable nappies, secondhand or cheap baby outfits. We couldn’t afford (and wouldn’t have even if we’d had the money) designer baby outfits by the score, or baby equipment or toys. For items that are required only weeks or months, what is the point? I wonder how much expensive baby gear someone like Sophie would acquire automatically?

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    pat

    on Radio Adelaide (Uni of Adelaide) Sophie speaks (from script?) for Karoly & Hamilton; Des doesn’t mention her collaborations with Karoly. according to the website, “Barometer is about global development issues with a focus on climate change, the environment and social justice. Every week you can hear informative interviews, discussions, news and solutions”:

    AUDIO:7mins14secs: Sept 2016: Radio Adelaide 101.5FM (Uni of Adelaide): Climate report is “untrue and dangerous”
    Last week, the Climate Change Authority published a report advising the Government to accept lesser emissions targets that had been recommended in 2014. But two high profile members of the authority’s board, David Karoly and Clive Hamilton, have since issued a dissenting minority report calling for stronger measures to reduce emissions. Karoly and Hamilton pulled no punches, describing the report as “untrue and dangerous”…
    To find out more about the reasons behind the responses of David Karoly and Clive Hamilton, Des Lawrence spoke with Sophie Lewis, Research Fellow in the Research School of Earth Sciences at The Australian National University…
    https://radio.adelaide.edu.au/climate-report-is-untrue-and-dangerous/

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    pat

    ***the Deep State at work again:

    20 Mar: NationalGeographic: Laura Parker: ‘Biggest Case on the Planet’ Pits Kids vs. Climate Change
    A pioneering lawsuit against the U.S. government on global warming won the right to a trial. Now Trump wants an appeals court to cancel it.
    Levi Draheim is a nine-year-old science geek. He founded an environmental club as a fourth grader and gives talks about climate change to audiences of grown-ups…
    Mary Wood, a University of Oregon environmental law professor who pioneered the concept that the atmosphere should be treated as part of the public trust, calls the lawsuit “the biggest case on the planet.”
    “This claim challenges the government’s entire fossil-fuel philosophy. The whole thing,” Wood says…

    In challenging the government’s role in climate change on constitutional grounds Julia Olson, the plaintiffs’ lead lawyer, harkens to the realm of historic Supreme Court cases that established new constitutional protections in situations when Congress failed to act…
    Olson first tuned in to the climate change threat when, eight months pregnant with her youngest child, she watched An Inconvenient Truth, former Vice President Al Gore’s 2006 Oscar-winning climate change documentary at her local moviehouse.
    “There is something about carrying life inside your body that is transformative and gives you a different kind of perspective on the world,” she says…

    She founded Our Children’s Trust, a nonprofit with a mission to protect children from climate change, and now serves as executive director. The trust is assisting in the case…
    After Judge Aiken ruled, proponents urged Obama to settle the case before Trump took office. Obama declined…

    ***Seven days before Trump was sworn in as president, government lawyers added a routine brief to the court file that may complicate the Trump administration’s effort to argue the science and halt the trial…
    In the brief, government lawyers conceded nearly every point on which the plaintiffs’ case against the government was constructed. These admissions include the government’s role in promoting the development of fossil fuels and its belief that greenhouse gases are at “unprecedentedly high levels compared to the past 800,000 years … and pose risks to human health and welfare.”

    The government went so far as to point out where the plaintiffs had understated the evidence against the government in court papers. They then corrected the figures, raising them upwards.
    “They recognised the importance of this case and tried to make sure when the Obama administration left, that the government’s position was clear and the court shouldn’t spend time in trial worrying about facts that should not be contested,” says Phil Gregory, the plaintiffs’ co-counsel…

    Even if a review is granted, it may be difficult for the Trump administration to reverse the government’s statements and acknowledgements about climate change that are already part of the record…
    http://www.nationalgeographic.com.au/nature/biggest-case-on-the-planet-pits-kids-vs-climate-change.aspx

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    Robert Rosicka

    It is possible for just one person to change earths climate but only if they press the button that starts a global nuclear war .
    And even then every single nuke ever made would have to off , or so I’m told .

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      ROM

      Robert Rosicka @ # 46

      It is possible for just one person to change earths climate but only if they press the button that starts a global nuclear war .

      One person did change the global climate a very long time back.

      He looked out across the waters that his ancestors and the legend keepers of the ages before had always said they were much wider and deeper than they were now.
      It was a very clear day and way beyond those waters and the great ice pack that fringed those waters a young and very good eye could see the moving masses of immense herds of animals during the warm summer months.

      The hunting would be very good indeed for his small band if they could find some way of getting across the waters to those vast herds in the far distance.

      So they sat and the old men talked used their finger sign language and the young men around their own fire as is the wont of all young men said “lets go”!

      The old man, the leader, the old wise one of all of perhaps 40 years old looked again across those waters and he knew if his small band did not soon make its decision to try and get to those far hunting grounds and a lay in stores of meat and skins for warmth and roots and a few grains for the coming harsh winter of those latitudes they had reached, they were doomed.

      And he stood there in the clear morning as the fogs lifted and then, “We will go now!”

      And the die was cast just once for a new future for the generations still to come of the race of Man

      The few skin covered kayaks were loaded with the little food and few vital to survival possessions they had.
      Many stayed behind to survive as best they could as the kayaks were small and few.
      They stayed with the hope that the voyagers would be back before the next winter to take them to the new hunting grounds across the waters.

      And the dozen or so kayaks in the bright light of the early fall set out along the edges of the Arctic ice pack across the Bering Straits to a new world, a world that mankind would alter forever.

      A world so immense that as the great animals of the Clovis peoples fell before their spears, the whole of the North and then a few thousand years later the South American continent and all its wild life and plant life were to be changed and altered forever.

      And with that the global climate also changed perhaps by a lot, perhaps only subtly and by very little, but it was changed.

      We might never know by how much the global climate was changed as the vast North and South American continents were altered and changed by mankind and his destruction of the great beasts and animal life that had had those continents to themselves for the thousands of millenniums past.

      That was until Man, a hairless weakling with no natural weapons or means of protecting himself except his developing intellect and his ability to very closely co-operate in any endeavour with his fellow man he set his collective mind to thereby becoming the top predator on the planet, finally reached those great continents.

      Man had finally arrived to conquer the last of earth’s great land masses which in the millenniums ahead he would change and shape in ways that we do not and cannot yet fully understand.
      But change them he did and still does to this day.

      One man made a decision, a decision to load the kayaks and take the young men and the young women and the best hunters and to venture in those flimsy craft along the edges of the great arctic ice pack across the few tens of kilometres of the the Bering Straits to the new hunting grounds that they could see on a clear day far to the east.

      .
      One man a long time ago made a decision that changed the world and the global climate in ways we are only just beginning to get a tiny glimpse of .

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        Graeme No.3

        Nice story ROM, but in the depths of the ICE Age the land bridge across the Bering Strait was up to 300 kilometres wide.
        Since the Climate changed some time afterwards I suggest you substitute SUV’s for kayaks to keep the trolls happy.

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          ROM

          Ah well!
          Not many places you can do this on the net but I try and make the denizens and lurkers think outside of the box around here when it comes to climate and the planet’s history.

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    pat

    21st Century Fox’s 73%-owned Nat Geo Mag (Rupert Murdoch, Executive Co-Chairman, Lachlan Murdoch Executive Co-Chairman,
    James Murdoch CEO) is also DOUBLING DOWN on CAGW.

    there a couple of thoughtful, extended comments (out of only 14 at time of posting) suggesting not all Nat Geo readers are happy about this activist, PARTISAN editorial by the self-proclaimed ***NONPARTISAN mag!

    March 2017 Issue: National Geographic: From the Editor: On Climate Change (and Everything Else), We’re on the Side of Facts
    National Geographic ‘will continue to report—factually and fairly — on how climate change is altering the Earth
    By Susan Goldberg, Editor in Chief
    In the past three years, this magazine has run 34 stories on climate change — including a special issue devoted entirely to the topic.
    Our commitment is ongoing. In the April issue, to mark Earth Day, we’ll publish a guide that separates fact from fallacy on climate change and a feature story on how rising temperatures are affecting Alaska. Later this year we’ll offer looks at the Arctic, Antarctica, the Galápagos Islands, and other places at risk as the world warms. Our television channel is airing a documentary film and a three-part series on water issues.
    And that doesn’t count the hundreds of climate stories we have published on nationalgeographic.com…

    Covering our climate — where we keep setting records for the hottest year — is one of the most important things we can do. It’s especially crucial in an era when some people claim that there are no “facts” and basic science is loudly questioned without embarrassment.
    At National Geographic we are proudly ***NONPARTISAN. But there are a few matters on which we do take sides:
    • We are on the side of facts.
    • We are on the side of science.
    • We are on the side of the planet.

    ???Those who deny climate change receive a lot of attention, but the vast majority of Americans acknowledge the reality of the problem. Nearly two-thirds of respondents told Gallup last year that they are worried about global warming—the highest figure since 2008…

    To help keep you current on developments, we’re expanding our environmental coverage across publishing platforms. We’ll have deeply reported magazine stories, brought to life with exceptional photography, graphics, and maps. On nationalgeographic.com, you’ll find topical stories every day, as well as a climate change reference guide. And on our social media accounts, our contributors are providing compelling views of climate change from all points of the globe…
    Perhaps philosopher Eric Hoffer put it best: “In a time of drastic change it is the learners who inherit the future. The learned usually find themselves equipped to live in a world that no longer exists.”
    http://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2017/03/editors-note-climate-change/

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      AndrewWA

      I was once an avid reader of National Geographic.
      My scarce resources (pocket money) went into an annual subscription.
      I have all issues 1966 – 1992.
      I loved the photography and articles which took me to places I could only dream about.
      They told me about important issues.

      Progressively I came to the realisation that although the photography was still excellent the articles were being driven by a new agenda. The quality of journalism was deteriorating and I was being taken to places I no longer wished to know about.

      A number of articles about places in Australia that I knew well were full of inaccuracies and philosophies which were in contrast to my own experience. It seemed that every other article was pushing the mantra of Climate Change.
      Sadly the Green Blob had irrevocably changed what I once considered to be a very close friend.

      I did not renew my subscription for 1993.
      I still look at the fantastic photography while in waiting rooms etc.
      Occasionally I wistfully revisit the old issues and the time before this current madness.

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      Graeme No.3

      With the very likely downturn in temperatures in the next few years I would suggest the special issue would prove a good investment for the future (if it weren’t for the thousands of sceptics also hoarding copies).

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    pat

    a Nat Geo reader linked to the following (not exactly pro-Trump btw) piece in the Editorial comments:

    4 Feb: WSJ: Change Would Be Healthy at U.S. Climate Agencies
    In the Obama era, it was routine for press releases to avoid mentioning any margin of error.
    By Holman W. Jenkins, Jr
    It will be hard to notice when President Trump does something worthy of hysteria if everything he does is greeted with hysteria. Take claims that he’s laying siege to the alleged chastity of climate scientists. This is one subject where it might be wise not to rely on the reflexive media narrative.

    The year 2016 was the warmest ever recorded — so claimed two U.S. agencies, NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies and the Commerce Department’s National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Except it wasn’t, according to the agencies’ own measures of statistical uncertainty.

    Such fudge is of fairly recent vintage. Leaving any discussion of the uncertainty interval out of press releases only became the norm in the second year of the Obama administration. Back when he was presenting the 2008 numbers, NASA’s James Hansen, no slouch in raising climate alarms, nevertheless made a point of being quoted saying such annual rankings can be “misleading because the difference in temperature between one year and another is often less than the uncertainty in the global average.”

    Statisticians wouldn’t go through the trouble of assigning an uncertainty value unless it meant something. Two measurements separated by less than the margin of error are the same. And yet NASA’s Goddard Institute, now under Mr. Hansen’s successor Gavin Schmidt, put out a release declaring 2014 the “warmest year in the modern record” when it was statistically indistinguishable from 2005 and 2010.

    Nowadays Goddard seems to mention confidence interval only when it’s convenient. So 2015, an El Niño year, was the warmest yet “with 94 percent certainty.” No confidence interval was cited one year later in proclaiming 2016 the new warmest year “since modern recordkeeping began.” In fact, the difference versus 2015 was a mere one-quarter of the margin of error…

    President Trump is a complete novice, but presumably at some point he will climb the learning curve, gain control over his administration, and start making cagier decisions about which fights are worth having.

    (OUR?) OUR guess is that fighting with his administration’s climate scientists won’t seem like much of a priority. And yet, given all the money U.S. taxpayers spend on climate science, a mental freshening wouldn’t be the worst thing.

    Goddard’s Mr. Schmidt, keeper of a snarling blog that makes frequent use of the slur “denier,” got his start at the New York City-based NASA science lab more than 20 years ago.

    On the slight chance Mr. Trump does make such a move, keep something else in mind: Undifferentiated hysteria will apparently be the media reaction to every Trump action equally whether those actions are entirely justified or entirely indefensible.
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/change-would-be-healthy-at-u-s-climate-agencies-1486165226?

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    Dennis

    Someone should point out about doing what comes naturally, and that Earth does it too.

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    James Murphy

    In some ways I think articles like this are good, because most sane people will see this as yet another academic who has lost the plot completely, and will question the competence of the people, and the universities mentioned. By itself, it’s not so much, but it all adds up, slowly, but surely.

    Sure, some people will read it and wallow in ostentatious self-pity as the drivel confirms their destructive, and negative world view, but, like all fanatics, this cadre of people cannot be reasoned with, so there is little point trying.

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      Yonniestone

      I have a sister that holds Sophie’s negative views towards humanity, so much so she will never have children or even adopt as I once recommended, reason given is that unwanted children shouldn’t be exposed to a happy family environment lest it gives them ideas of having children of their own adding to the horrible bane of people on this planet.

      We haven’t spoken for years.

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    Forrest Gardener

    Quote: Sophie Lewis, Climate Scientist …

    That’s quite a claim, that she is a scientist. Is there any evidence?

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    John F. Hultquist

    This woman needs help.
    Family or friends need to get involved.

    From 2010:
    https://www.infowars.com/argentinian-couple-shoot-kids-kill-themselves-over-global-warming/

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    pat

    had to get these excerpts from the cached version:

    17 Mar: E&E News: Jean Chemnick: Climate diplomacy fund dies in budget blueprint
    Climate change advocates say they are not optimistic about being able to save the $1.3 billion in international global warming assistance that President Trump would ax from the budget.
    The fiscal 2018 blueprint that the Office of Management and Budget released yesterday would kill the Global Climate Change Initiative. The GCCI has been home for seven years to the most important U.S. climate diplomacy programs, from the Green Climate Fund to participation in the Clean Energy Ministerial (CEM) for advanced energy technologies, the scientific Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and the U.N. Framework Convention on Climate Change.

    Some programs, observers and former administration officials said, might be salvaged during the appropriations process or crowbarred into the already-tight budgets of regional offices at the State Department. But with the agency facing a 28 percent overall cut from enacted levels and Republicans antagonistic to climate change controlling the purse strings, the odds appear long.
    “I think anything that has the two c’s in it is done,” predicted one source…

    It is not definitive about eliminating dues to the U.N. science and negotiating bodies, stating only that the budget “fulfills the President’s pledge to cease payments to the United Nations’ (UN) climate change programs by eliminating U.S. funding related to the Green Climate Fund and its two precursor Climate Investment Funds.”
    It confirms what has long been expected: that the United States under Trump will not provide the remaining $2 billion it has promised by 2020 toward the GCF, which supports adaptation and clean energy projects in the developing world…

    Nick Loris of the Heritage Foundation, meanwhile, said stopping payments to the UNFCCC would send “a strong signal” about its legitimacy…
    Andrew Light, of the World Resources Institute and a former State Department climate team member, said the agency should continue to address climate-related instability head on. He noted that researchers have established a link between climate change and the Syrian drought that precipitated a six-year civil war in that country and a refugee crisis.
    “Climate change was a necessary condition for the instability that created this crisis, and we are now saying some combination of ‘we don’t think that’s true’ with no proof and ‘even if it’s true, we don’t care,’” he said…

    The death of GCCI would also throw into serious doubt future U.S. contributions to a host of aid and lending programs, including the United Nations’ Adaptation Fund, assistance to small island states to help with loss and damage related to climate change, and U.S. contributions to programs administered by multilateral lending institutions.
    Thoriq Ibrahim, environment and energy minister for the Maldives and chairman of the Alliance of Small Island States negotiating bloc, said the Paris Agreement couldn’t be implemented without rich countries’ support.
    “Budget gaps in these areas, if not filled by other means, would damage the work communities are doing on the ground to cut emissions and adapt to climate impacts that can no longer be avoided,” he said.

    But Loris said the demise of GCCI would mean the United States could no longer dictate to other countries how they should develop.
    “The best way developing countries will adapt to a changing climate and become more resilient is through higher levels of wealth and prosperity,” he said. “These programs do little to address that.”
    http://www.eenews.net/climatewire/2017/03/17/stories/1060051638

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    pat

    more from the Maldives, which featured in the E&E article. Megan still pining for Nasheed, smearing Yameen:

    20 Mar: ClimateChangeNews: Megan Darby: Maldives regime imperils coral reefs in dash for cash
    Under President Yameen, ministers are quashing environmental concerns to strike opaque resort deals with foreign investors, warn divers, scientists and two EPA insiders.
    Ibrahim Mohamed, an EPA deputy director on secondment to James Cook University in Australia, said ministers now routinely overruled experts.

    “If [a project] gets rejected [on environmental grounds] and the minister thinks it might be politically advantageous, they will go ahead with the project,” he told Climate Home by Skype. “People have a fear of rejecting the government’s decisions… The [environmental assessment] process is quite stringent, but in the end, it is prone to quite a lot of intimidation.”…
    A senior source still working at the EPA, who did not wish to be named, backed-up Mohamed’s assessment and did not comment further…

    The need for development outweighs the risks, said Ibrahim Shihab, a spokesperson for the president’s office…
    The Maldives scores just 36 out of 100 on Transparency International’s corruption perception index, below the global average. National campaigners say the situation has deteriorated under Yameen, who took power in 2013 under contentious circumstances.

    An explosive Al Jazeera documentary in September linked president Yameen to the disappearance of US$80 million from state coffers – the biggest corruption scandal in the country’s history. He denies any wrongdoing…

    In the most audacious plan yet, Yameen is in talks with the Saudi royal family about a $10bn development on sparsely populated Faafu atoll…
    A planned visit by King Salman this month was cancelled at the last minute, ostensibly in response to a flu outbreak, following protests against the mooted deal…

    Former president Mohamed Nasheed is in exile, hoping to return home next year to contest a presidential election. That depends on the judiciary lifting his 13-year prison sentence for terrorism charges, which a UN working group found to be “arbitrary” and “politically motivated”.
    ***He told Climate Home in London transparency was essential to the country’s resilience in the face of climate change…
    http://www.climatechangenews.com/2017/03/20/maldives-regime-imperils-coral-reefs-dash-cash/

    Megan didn’t have any concerns about the Maldives a few days ago:

    17 Mar: ClimateChangeNews: Megan Darby: Climate veterans say Trump budget undermines global cooperation
    The degree of political consensus achieved in Paris was “an historic accomplishment”, said Thoriq Ibrahim, environment and energy minister for the Maldives and head of the small-islands coalition at climate negotiations. “But turning the agreement into action still requires institutions like the IPCC, UNFCCC, and Green Climate Fund. Budget gaps in these areas, if not filled by other means, would damage the work communities are doing on the ground to cut emissions and adapt to climate impacts that can no longer be avoided.”…
    http://www.climatechangenews.com/2017/03/17/trump-budget-undermines-global-climate-cooperation/

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    pat

    followup Maldives’ comment in in moderation.

    19 Mar: NPR: Climate Change As An Issue Of National Security
    LOURDES GARCIA-NAVARRO, HOST: Last week, ProPublica (ANDREW REVKIN ARTICLE) published excerpts of a testimony by Defense Secretary James Mattis calling climate change a national security threat…
    With us to discuss this growing topic is ***BRIGADIER GENERAL GERALD GALLOWAY from the CENTER FOR CLIMATE AND SECURITY. He’s also a professor of engineering at the University of Maryland…

    GALLOWAY: …We already know, for example, that we have more intense rainfall events. We expect to see – the rivers will flow with greater volume, and that will cause problems for river crossings. We see there are problems in the seas. The storms are more intense. We’ll have more frequent storms – all of the sorts of things that make uncertainty reality on the battlefield…

    GALLOWAY: If our allies are having problems in their own country as a result of such things as drought – where there’s instability in the country – instability breeds conflict. And conflict is what puts our forces at risk, and we don’t want that to happen. So we’ve got to be prepared for this, and we’ve got to be prepared to assist at home and abroad…

    GARCIA-NAVARRO: So let’s talk about the measures released last week by the Trump administration in the budget – cuts to almost every single climate change initiative in multiple departments and agencies. I’m going to list a few. The EPA’s climate programs would be ended, possibly in their entirety. The Department of Energy’s programs would be scaled back. NASA’s Earth monitoring programs also potentially gone. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, or NOAH, would also be hit. Are you concerned?

    GALLOWAY: I certainly am concerned. You can’t have one part of the government operating one way and another part operating in a different manner. So in this particular case, we have to rely on many things that NASA provides, that NOAH provides, and it’s important that they be continued…BLAH BLAH
    http://www.npr.org/2017/03/19/520708181/climate-change-as-an-issue-of-national-security

    reminder. worth reading all:

    2014: Washington Times: Rowan Scarborough: Retired officers poised to profit after Pentagon’s alarmist climate change report
    Retired military officers deeply involved in the climate change movement — and some in companies positioned to profit from it — spearheaded an alarmist global warming report this month that calls on the Defense Department to ramp up spending on what it calls a man-made problem.

    The report, which the Obama administration immediately hailed as a call to action, was issued not by a private advocacy group but by a Pentagon-financed think tank that trumpets “absolute objectivity.” The research was funded by a climate change group that is also one of the think tank’s main customers.

    The May 13 report came from the military advisory board within CNA Corp., a nonprofit based in Alexandria, Virginia, that includes the Center for Naval Analyses, a Navy-financed group that also gets contracts from other Pentagon units. CNA also operates the Institute for Public Research.
    CNA’s webpage states that it is not an advocacy group…

    The other vice chairman, retired Army ***BRIG. GEN. GERALD E. GALLOWAY JR., is a prominent adviser to the CENTER FOR CLIMATE AND SECURITY, a climate change group.

    In all, four CNA board members sit on the panel of advisers to the CENTER FOR CLIMATE AND SECURITY, whose statements on climate change are similar to those found in the CNA report.
    Other board members work in the climate change world of consulting and technology…

    The CENTER FOR CLIMATE AND SECURITY has taken donations from the Tides Foundation, which gets money from Democratic Party financier and liberal billionaire George Soros…

    The CNA credits the CENTER FOR CLIMATE AND SECURITY for helping release the report, and the center issued a press release lauding the report the day it was released…

    The CNA report prominently displays the opinions of three retired officers who sit on the advisory board at the CENTER FOR CLIMATE AND SECURITY: GEN. GALLOWAY; Adm. Frank L. “Skip” Bowman, the Navy’s former director of nuclear propulsion and who now runs a consulting business; and retired Rear Adm. David W. Titley, a former Oceanographer of the Navy.

    Urgent Obama call can funnel funds to projects…
    Climate change has become big business. The U.S. government alone increased spending by more than $100 billion from 2003 to 2010, according to the Government Accountability Office.
    Nations around the world are buying sensors, imaging technologies and airborne monitors…
    That means huge contracts for consulting, studies and technologies to analyze the Earth and its environment…

    Gen. Keys, who joined the CENTER FOR CLIMATE AND SECURITY in March, owns RK Solutions, a consulting firm that advises the Pentagon on climate change, according to the center’s biography for him…

    One of its (CNA’s) major foundation customers is the Energy Foundation, the same group that financed the CNA military advisory board climate study. It is a global warming activist and is pushing a tax on carbon emissions…
    CNA also lists as clients the liberal Rockefeller Foundation and the Rockefeller Brothers Fund…
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/may/26/sponsors-of-pentagons-alarm-raising-climate-study-/

    THE TWO CO-FOUNDERS/PRESIDENTS OF THE CENTER FOR CLIMATE AND SECURITY – FEMIA & WERRELL – WROTE THE FOLLOWING NONSENSE WITH A MEMBER OF THE CENTER’S ADVISORY BOARD, TROY STERNBERG.

    Did We See It Coming?: State Fragility, Climate Vulnerability, and the Uprisings in Syria and Egypt
    by Caitlin E. Werrell, Francesco Femia, Troy Sternberg
    From: SAIS Review of International Affairs Volume 35, Number 1, Winter-Spring 2015

    WHILE ALL THE RETIRED MILITARY ON THE ADVISORY BOARD ARE US MILITARY, THE THREE AUTHORS HAVE ENGLISH CONNECTIONS:

    Caitlin Werrell has written for the SAIS Review of International Affairs, Angle Journal, Defense News, the Reuters Foundation, the National Journal, the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists, Climate Progress and e-International Relations, and has been cited by the New York Times, the Washington Post, the New Republic, USA Today, CNN’s Christiane Amanpour, the Christian Science Monitor, Slate, the Toronto Star and the Atlantic, among others. She holds a master’s degree from the University of Oxford…

    HuffPo: Francesco Femia, (Co-founder & President, Center for Climate and Security)
    Francesco Femia serves as Program Officer at the Connect U.S. Fund, where he manages all of the Fund’s grant-making programs and provides analysis and advice on climate adaptation policy, civil-military issues, and multilateral treaty processes. He holds a masters degree in European Politics and Governance from the London School of Economics and Political Science (LSE)…

    Dr. Troy Sternberg is a member of the Center for Climate and Security Advisory Board, and a British Academy Post-doctoral Research Fellow in the School of Geography, Oxford University… He has contributed to a number of peer-reviewed journals, including the International Journal of Climatology and the Forced Migration Review. Troy holds a Doctorate in Philosophy (D.Phil) from Oxford University.

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      Raven

      GALLOWAY: If our allies are having problems in their own country as a result of such things as drought – where there’s instability in the country – instability breeds conflict.

      Balderdash . . Oz always has droughts and we’ve never started a war with anyone.
      Although, I must say I favoured invading New Zealand at one point . .

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    climate sanity is spreading!

    20 Mar: Irish Times View: Setting a course for inaction of climate change
    While the Government insists the mitigation plan is not a “wait and see” exercise, evidence points to the contrary
    By mid-century, Ireland will need to have weaned itself off fossil fuels used to generate electricity: to heat our homes; and to drive our cars, buses, lorries and trains. There is a 98 per cent dependence on oil in transport, for example. In that context, Minister for Communications, Climate Change and the Environment Denis Naughten last week published the Draft National Mitigation Plan…

    The 91-page document is comprehensive in setting out the current situation. For example, it accepts Ireland will come nowhere near the 2020 EU targets of 20 per cent emissions reductions and will struggle to meet the 2030 targets. However, the document is staggeringly non-committal in terms of any concrete plans or proposals to achieve the goals. There is a bewildering plethora of reviews, reports, consultations, scoping exercises, Mickey-Mouse pilot programmes, and cost benefit analyses. The common thread is inaction for the foreseeable future…

    The expense of meeting the targets will involve painful adjustments in living standards and will stretch public acceptability to breaking point. To be fair, it would be churlish for any government to plump for some energy-saving solution that cost billions of euro and turned out to be a dud…

    While the Government insists the plan is not a “wait and see” exercise, the evidence points to the contrary…READ ON
    http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/editorial/setting-a-course-for-inaction-of-climate-change-1.3016341

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    AndyG55

    Darwinian theory, again proven correct !!

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    ROM

    If we take Mark Twain at his word, Sophie Lewis has a choice;
    .

    Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company.

    Mark Twain
    .

    And for Jo’s denizens who fit this Mark Twain quote like a glove;

    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.

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    Robert Rosicka

    OT but relevant in so much as what scientists and universities are studying these days and wasting money on .
    Now this study is in the same vain as that study that found that in order to have toast you need a toaster .
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-20/nrl-players-brains-more-damaged-than-non-players:-study/8369226

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    TedM

    Jo I know this is well OT but the green political correctness brigade has feminised the Kokoda Track/Trail.

    Listen here…. http://www.2gb.com/podcast/mateship-scrapped-from-kokoda-memorial/ $65,000,000

    Warning: if you are normal you will get angry.

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    thingadonta

    Biology encourages children partly to see through the codswollop of previous generations.

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    Steve Richards

    This just shows the power of advertising, propaganda, biased news and false peer reviews.

    We know advertising changes views, thats why advertising companies are making so much money.

    It demonstrates just how big the problem is to overcome this bias and false narrative.

    That an apparently clever and young person can accept such easily disprovable nonsense bodes ill for us all.

    Suggestions needed into how to overcome this vile programming of the human race.

    Do we let these people down slowly (and risk failing)

    Or do we hit them with irrefutable, unassailable facts – so brilliant in imagery that they instantly realise they have been had (and risk depression and anger etc) ???

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    pat

    when I posted the military stuff – comment #55 – I had no idea this is on Four Corners tonite:

    20 Mar: ABC Four Corners: The Age of Consequences
    By PBS International, Jared P Scott
    “We are not your traditional environmentalists.” ***Gen. Gordon Sullivan (Retd), Fmr. Chief of Staff, U.S. Army…

    “I’m here today not only representing my views on security implications of climate change, but on the collective wisdom of 16 admirals and generals.” Rear Admiral David Titley (Retd), U.S. Navy…
    Rear Admiral David Titley spent 32 years in the US military. He was the US Navy’s chief oceanographer and led the Navy’s Task Force on Climate Change…

    “This is the heart of the problem in many ways. Climate change arrives in a world that has already been destabilised.” Dr ***Christian Parenti…

    “We realised that climate change would be a threat multiplier for instability as people become desperate, because they have extreme weather and the seas are rising, and there are floods in one area and droughts in another, fragile states become more unpredictable.” ***Sherri Goodman, Fmr. Dept Undersecretary of Defense…

    “It’s a very dangerous thing to decide that there is one and only one line of events heading into the future and one and only one best response for dealing with that.” ***Leon Fuerth, Fmr. National Security Adviser, White House ’93-’01
    http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2017/03/20/4637278.htm

    Jared apparently was born in Australia, but has no Wikipedia & his LinkedIn is locked, so will stick with this:

    The Age of Consequences: Filmakers: Jared P. Scott
    Writer / Director / Producer
    Jared P. Scott is an award-winning filmmaker and founding partner at PF Pictures.
    He recently wrote, directed and produced the NYTimes Critics’ Pick REQUIEM FOR THE AMERICAN DREAM (2015/16) – Noam Chomsky and the Principles of Concentration of Wealth and Power (TriBeCa, AFI, IDFA, DocPoint, DocAviv)…

    Jared wrote, directed and produced DISRUPTION (2014) – a story of climate and social tipping points that galvanized the largest climate march in the history of the planet. Films for Action ranked it the #1 all -time film for social change. [watchdisruption.com]

    He wrote, directed and produced DO THE MATH (2013) – Bill McKibben’s 3 numbers that sum up the climate crisis. [Al-Jazeera, Worldwide…

    A seasoned speaker, Jared has delivered keynote addresses at both COP 20 and COP 21, appeared on Huff Post Live, ABC, NBC, Al-Jazeera, and conducted talkbacks at The New School, NYU, and Carnegie Mellon University.
    http://theageofconsequences.com/filmmakers/

    from PBS website:
    “Eye opening…made with cinematic polish” – The Hollywood Reporter
    “Paints a stark warning…a fascinating documentary” – BBC World News

    Nov 2016: PBS Int’l accepts Consequences
    US distributor PBS International has acquired distribution rights to The Age of Consequences, a new climate change and war documentary from PF Pictures.
    The film, billed as “The Hurt Locker meets An Inconvenient Truth,” is a call to action to rethink how we use and produce energy…

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    pat

    those quoted on ABC 4 Corners website includes Titley – already covered in comment #55.
    a bit about the rest:

    Wikipedia: ***Gen. Gordon R. Sullivan (Retd)
    After retiring from the Army he served as the President and Chief Executive of the Association of the United States Army (AUSA) for 18 years, from 1998 thru June 30, 2016 (AUSA is a private, non-profit organization that acts primarily as an advocacy (lobbying) group for the United States Army, headquartered in Arlington Virginia)…
    (Sullivan) is a Life Trustee of the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute…

    Wikipedia: ***(Christian) Parenti links the implications of climate change with social and political unrest in mid-latitude regions of the world…
    Parenti’s writing is usually published in The Nation…
    He also writes for many other publications, including the London Review of Books, Mother Jones and Condé Nast Traveler. He was a visiting fellow at CUNY’s Center for Place, Culture and Politics, as well as a ***Soros Senior Justice Fellow…
    He currently teaches in the Liberal Studies program at New York University…
    His most recent published work is a significant contribution to Anthropocene or Capitalocene? concerning the political and economic foundations of climate change…
    Since 2014, Parenti has been working on a book which focuses on “Rethinking the State in the Context of Climate Crisis.” And he has recently published several articles addressing this theme…

    11 Mar: The Hill: The national security case for funding the EPA
    By ***Sherri Goodman
    (Sherri Goodman is a former deputy undersecretary of Defense, 1993-2001, and a senior fellow at the Woodrow Wilson International Center)
    Slashing EPA’s budget will hurt our ability to win the next fight. Our military bases and training areas must provide clean air and water for our forces and their families. They need the science supported by the EPA, by Energy, by the National Science Foundation, NASA, the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration and other researchers to understand how a changing climate is affecting the health of our troops, their ability to deploy to hotter and hotter climates, and how to ensure our military families are not exposed to dangerous substances…

    16 Feb: UCAR (University Corporation for Atmospheric Research): Five new trustees join UCAR’s board
    (UCAR manages the National Center for Atmospheric Research with sponsorship by the National Science Foundation)
    ***SHERRI GOODMAN, senior fellow at the Woodrow Wilson International Center…
    Sherri Goodman is a senior fellow at the Woodrow Wilson International Center, affiliated with the center’s Polar Initiative, Environmental Change and Security Program, and Global Women’s Leadership Initiative. She is also a senior fellow at ***CNA, a nonprofit research and analysis organization, where she founded the CNA Military Advisory Board…

    Wikipedia: ***Leon Sigmund Fuerth is a former diplomat who served as national security adviser to former U.S. Vice President Al Gore…Fuerth spent many years working for Al Gore in a variety of capacities…
    He is a research professor at the Elliott School of International Affairs at the George Washington University in Washington, D.C.. In this capacity, he teaches graduate students and works to develop the concept of “forward engagement,” with support from both the university and the Rockefeller Brothers Fund…
    ____

    WONDER HOW MUCH OF THE CONTEXT/CONNECTIONS ABC VIEWERS WILL GET TONITE? NONE AT ALL IS MY GUESS.

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    RAH

    Hey Darwin war right! Natural selection does work.

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    The poor woman is a victim of the CO2 scaremongering, and I would guess she became one while at high school since she declares her fears made her want to be a climate scientist and that sort of decision is usually made then. I hope she will protect her child from the scaremongering but perhaps she will have to come to her senses herself first.

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    Egor the One

    Yet another mad Malthusian CAGW true b’lver ratbag .

    Why is it that CAGW brings out all the loons and kooks ?

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      el gordo

      Her opinion is misguided and we have lost a generation of young people to the scourge of millenarian catastrophism.

      The SMH should put up another opinion piece from a mum who doesn’t believe CO2 causes global warming.

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    Bitter&Twisted

    If she is that racked with middle class angst, she should have had herself sterilised.
    It would have saved her the pain.

    I also advise all climate “scientists” activists, and assorted green doomsters to do the right thing and get snipped.

    Just think you are making the World a better place!

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    David Maddison

    It is so tragic that Australia has “blown it” by ruining what remains of our resource rich and once manufacturing rich and wealthy country by spending billions to solve a “problem” that doesn’t actually exist.

    Why can’t anyone ask the obvious question – where is the evidence for CAGW which necessitates the destruction of a cheap, reliable power grid to be replaced by an expensive unreliable one which is GUARANTEED to DESTROY the remains of economy and relegate us to second world status.

    They might as well shorten the extend misery and euthanise Australia and immediately shut down all coal and gas power stations. The agony of the drawn out death is too much to bear.

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      David Maddison

      Hey Red Thumb! What part of my statement do you disagree with? The fact that we aren’t building any coal power stations or the fact that the economy is about to be fully destroyed? Both are true and part of your plan, after all!

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    Reasonable Skeptic

    Losing perspective is amazing.

    Does a person that hops on a plane during the day ever consider that they are closer to the sun? Of course not. It is absurd. Yet, the fact is that this is far more true than the importance of one child’s impact on global climate change.

    Trusting the work of a person that has lost perspective is not wise. She should be reassigned to a position where her work can be trusted.

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    David Maddison

    Australia is probably the only country in the world not forging ahead with building large numbers of coal power stations – many burning Aussie coal. Our commitment to expensive and unreliable wind and solar is certain to destroy what remains of the economy.

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      TdeF

      Australia makes its living from the export of minerals, largely coal and iron ore and increasingly natural gas. Most Australians largely are not employed in these areas but are supported from these incomes. A very large number of Australians are employed directly by government as so called public servants. Amazingly and perhaps uniquely, the largest scientific group in the country, the CSIRO, is public service. By far the largest media group, the ABC/SBS monoliths are public service, but independent in that they are not directly controlled by government but by a charter which insists on strict lack of political bias, but which are extreme left organization in violation of this charter. Not bound by the media laws and illegally operated under those laws, the ABC have invaded every form of media except print, where they work closely with the extreme left Fairfax group.

      So the hospitals, universities and schools are predominantly public service. Whole states are subsidized including the Northern Territory, South Australia and Tasmania and Canberra, where half to all of the residents are public servants. These people almost all vote Green and they are anti mining, anti business, anti farming and want nationalization of electricity, telephones and all transport services. They are supported in this by unions for whom independent businesses are the sworn enemy.

      So we have a conflict which is bringing down this country as the up to 25% Green vote is to stop mining, stop farming, stop forestry, stop manufacturing, stop fishing, stop coal, stop gas and stop fracking and even gas exploration let alone exploitation.

      Now we are at an impasse, where both Labor and Coalition toadying to Green preferences has brought about the world’s biggest Carbon tax, the RET. The rivers of retail cash are flowing overseas currently at $3Billion a year from every electricity bill and forcing the permanent closure of all coal and gas power stations and perversely replacing them with really polluting diesel and thousands of generally stationary windmills and now giant batteries.

      What is perverse, is that the income of the country which enables Green voters to buy their imported cars, their imported phones, their imported windmills, bicycles and fish is paid not by their work or any part of their work, but by the hardworking people in the coal, gas, farming and mining industries.

      Never has an advanced society been so intent on destroying itself from within to indulge the climate fantasies of a fringe group of largely public servants who have no idea who pays the bills. HG Wells saw this in the Time machine with the Morlocks and the ignorant Eloi, who prance about paradise with no idea of the realities of life or even who provides the food. The chief of the Eloi is Malcolm Turnbull who has lived a charmed existence with immense inherited wealth and keeps his cash overseas.

      The coalition needs to bring back a climate realist who can end these fantasies and the RET and get our power stations working again.

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        TdeF

        As for Ms Lewis, her career and income are based on Climate Change (which is clearly identical to Global Warming), so she is hardly an independent scientist. If the ‘pause’ since 1998 did exist, as she loudly denies, could she afford to admit it? Even such alarmists are reduced to the ‘warmest ever’ approach, the hottest few years story, because the temperature is not changing, rather than admitting that next year marks the 20th year of the pause, Sophie’s entire professional career. She might consider a career change before she has to explain the cooling predicted by those models which do accurately show the past 2,500 years and predicted the pause. See Prof Weiss at 12:23.

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        David Maddison

        Excellent TdeF. May I repost that elsewhere with your acknowledgement?

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      PeterS

      The so called penny will drop eventually once our electricity supply becomes so unreliable and costly our whole economy will slide into the abyss. Hopefully we can recover from it before it’s too late. The reality is hundreds of coal fired power stations are being built all over the world as we speak yet we are closing down ours with no plan to build new ones while we are the biggest exporter of coal. Go figure. This renewables madness has to stop eventually or our economy goes over the cliff.

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        Dennis

        The cliff is the socialist objective, for example, today timber industry workers in VIC are demonstrating against the government’s closure of a timber mill (with compensation) and impacting generally on that area of employment.

        Reminds me of Labor Green Tasmania when in government closing State Forests set aside for logging and handing them to National Parks.

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    Harry Passfield

    Chris Monckton didn’t christen them ‘bed-wetters’ without good reason. And in the person of Sophie Lewis we’ve found a real gem.
    Well, let me tell you Sophie, there are far worse threats to mankind – and her babies – than climate change. Witness the millions who died in WWI and the 20+ millions who went in WWII (and that’s not to count the dead of the 50+ wars the world has seen since 1945). Her baby is more likely to die of violence to the person than the effects (if any) of CC. [sigh]

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    BobH

    Her whole rant omitted the heat bank effect of each new baby – the heat retained on Earth which would have otherwise have escaped out to space. Time to introduce another theory that the world’s population is a terrorist timebomb waiting for someone to light the fuse. I wish there was something sensible on telly, is there any real intelligence here?

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    David S

    If Sophie has such issues perhaps she can renounce all her worldly processions and go live in India in one of those regions where electricity is just a dream. She will be able to minimise her child’s impact on global warming ,she will be able to understand what it’s like to be on the wrong end of inequality and give a blissful guilt free future for her child.

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      PeterS

      That’s the problem with leftists snowflakes. They are such hypocrites. They want to get rid of most of our luxuries that came about over centuries of human achievement and development yet they still want to use them.

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    john

    What about that 80 thousand hectare fire…caused by windmills…

    http://www.iafss.org/publications/fss/11/983/view/fss_11-983.pdf

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    AndyG55

    OT . Very little bleaching on GBR. The MSM lies and exaggerations are there for all to see.

    https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2017/03/20/divers-say-less-than-5-of-great-barrier-reef-is-dead-not-half/

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    David Maddison

    Make Australia’s power stations great again!

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      PeterS

      That will only happen when the public wake up and stop voting for political parties that have polices designed to make our coal fired power stations too expensive to run thus preventing new ones being built. It will be interesting to see what happens if NSW falls to ALP+Greens because that state is now the only one that produce the vast majority of reliable base load power. If NSW goes the way as SA and Victoria then our whole economy will nose dive in a big way. Perhaps it’s the only way the public will wake up.

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        David Maddison

        Frankly, PeterS, I think the vast majority of the voting public have by now been too dumbed down to ever wake up. They will first willingly accept second world conditions, soon to be followed by third world onditions.

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          PeterS

          I tend to agree with you. So let them get the government they deserve. The trouble is my sons’ futures are at stake. They are too busy working or running their own business to take any notice of how the nation’s backbone is slowly being chipped away to destruction by the socialists in both major parties. As usual people don’t know there is a problem until they are directly impacted.

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    pat

    20 Mar: UK Express: EUROZONE TURMOIL: Spain, Italy and Greece owe massive debt of €1 TRILLION to ECB
    EURO states owe the European Central Bank (ECB) a staggering €1trillion as they teeter on the verge of bankruptcy amid warnings a debt bubble is on the horizon.
    By Siobhan McFadyen
    Analysts condemned the “flawed economics of this reckless [EU] experiment” and said the ECB faces a rude awakening as states crumble under the burden of debt…
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/781518/Eurozone-finance-economy-trillion-debt-ECB-Spain-Italy-Portugal-Greece

    20 Mar: CarbonPulse: Rich nation carbon price must reach $190/t without CO2-sucking -IRENA/IEA
    Carbon prices must reach $190/tonne by 2050 in all developed countries in order to meet the Paris Agreement goal of staying well below 2C without resorting to negative CO2 technologies, according to a report by international agencies IEA/IRENA and commissioned by Germany.

    TWO HUNDRED AND FOUR PAGES? HOW IMPRESSIVE!

    PDF: 204 pages: IRENA: PERSPECTIVES FOR THE ENERGY TRANSITION
    Investment Needs for a Low-Carbon Energy System
    This publication was prepared by the IEA and IRENA Secretariats, with support and funding from the German Federal Ministry for Economic Affairs and Energy (BMWi)…
    PAGE 7: The 66% 2°C Scenario would require an unparalleled ramp up of all low-carbon technologies in all countries. An ambitious set of policy measures, including the rapid phase out of fossil fuel subsidies, CO2 prices rising to unprecedented levels, extensive energy market reforms, and stringent low-carbon and energy efficiency mandates would be needed to achieve this transition. Such policies would need to be introduced immediately and comprehensively across all countries in order to achieve the 66% 2°C Scenario, with CO2 prices reaching up to US dollars (USD) 190 per tonne of CO2…
    http://www.irena.org/DocumentDownloads/Publications/Perspectives_for_the_Energy_Transition_2017.pdf

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      PeterS

      The EU won’t last much longer thanks to the battles they are fighting on two fronts – refugee immigration and financial. Expect a new force to rise and make Europe great again but not necessarily in a good way.

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    pat

    20 Mar: CarbonPulse: EU Market: EUAs dip below €5 after weak auction, technical breach
    EU carbon fell below €5 on Monday for the first time in almost a month after a weak auction result helped push prices below a key technical support level and as analysts gave a bearish outlook for the week ahead.

    20 Mar: CarbonPulse: New Zealand needs much higher CO2 price to go carbon neutral -report
    New Zealand carbon prices might have to increase six-fold by 2050 if the country is to achieve carbon neutrality, a report said Tuesday.

    20 Mar: CarbonPulse: IBM partners with blockchain venture to target Chinese carbon market
    US technology company IBM and the China-based Energy-Blockchain Lab on Monday announced they had developed a carbon asset management platform for China, hoping to get a foothold in the country’s CO2 trading market when the national ETS launches later this year.

    20 Mar: CarbonPulse: Economist Stiglitz tells Japan to go for carbon tax
    Taxing CO2 emissions would be the most efficient way for Japan to cut its contribution to climate change and simultaneously stimulate its economy, renowned American economist Joseph Stiglitz said in Tokyo.

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    LightningCamel

    A species must pass its genes on
    In spite of the great climate con.
    To choose to deny
    Your child a chance at the sky
    Is to select for your own extinction.

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    pat

    Bastasch is on to it!

    20 Mar: Daily Caller: Michael Bastasch: Merkel Doesn’t Want Trump To Bail On A $145 Trillion Bet To Fight Global Warming
    A new report claims policies to keep future global warming to internationally agreed upon limits by the end of the century could make the world $19 trillion richer.
    The report by the International Renewable Energy Agency (IRENA) was one of two commissioned by the German government to help convince President Donald Trump to stay in the Paris agreement.

    If IRENA’s top-line findings sound too good to be true, that’s because they might be. The world would have to put $145 trillion into low-carbon energy to become $19 trillion richer by 2050 — a 13 percent return on investment over 33 years…
    Even so, IRENA admits its plan only has a 66 percent chance of success…

    The report comes after G20 omitted any mention of climate finance from its annual communique over the weekend…
    The German government commissioned the IRENA report in the run-up to the upcoming G20 climate talks. Germany will chair the G20 this year, and plans to use its leadership role to pressure countries to stay party to the Paris climate agreement — specifically, the U.S…READ ALL
    http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/20/merkel-doesnt-want-trump-to-bail-on-a-145-trillion-bet-to-fight-global-warming/

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    pat

    gotta stop that global warming, at any cost?

    19 Mar: CBC: Blizzard-bound Churchill awaits supply train: OmniTrax says track cleared
    Northern Manitoba town’s grocery shelves are bare as residents face another blizzard
    OmniTrax, the Denver-based company that owns the rail line that brings supplies into Churchill, cleared the tracks and is trying to get supplies delivered as soon as possible. A train with supplies departed from the northern Manitoba town of Gillam, about 270 kilometres southeast of Churchill, at around noon Monday…
    The northern Manitoba town is again in the midst of near-zero visibility, wind gusts of 90 km/h and wind chill values in the –40s due to an intense low pressure system over Hudson Bay, according to Environment Canada…
    Deliveries usually come once a week, but shelves are bare at the town’s lone supermarket — the Northern Store, he said.
    “I’ve lived here 50 years and no, we’ve never had anything like this.”…
    Ron Margulis, an OmniTrax spokesperson, said the snow on the rail line to Churchill was abnormal and difficult for crews to get rid of. But as of Monday the crews had accomplished that goal…
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/churchill-blizzard-grocery-shortage-1.4032105

    20 Mar: WUWT: Anthony Watts: Solar Slump: The Sun has been blank for two weeks straight
    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/03/20/solar-slump-the-sun-has-been-blank-for-two-weeks-straight/

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    el gordo

    Leif has stunned the skeptic world with his recent comment at WUWT (a thread by David Archibald on the present solar cycle) he is certain the sun’s behaviour has nothing to do with climate change.

    ‘Actually, it is not the Sun, but the planet Jupiter…. Jupiter changes the orbit of the Earth causing glaciations.’

    Hmmm ….. interesting idea.

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      but that is an old one. There are heaps of Jupiter cranks out there

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        Gee Aye,

        Do you understand why the Earth’s precise orbit and precession can only be calculated when you account for the motions of the other planets, especially Jupiter. Orbital mechanics is the math behind Milankovitch. Do you deny that orbital variability is absolutely correlated to the ebb and flow of ice ages?

        The most controversial impact of Jupiter is how the combined gravitational influence of Jupiter and Saturn affects the fusion core of the Sun influencing solar activity and sunspots. Certainly, correlation and causation are not the same, but sunspot cycles are correlated with the period of Jupiter’s orbit in a far stronger manner than CO2 concentrations are related to temperature.

        Most of the stars we observe in the Universe are variable output with seemingly random periods and intensity variability. The laws of physics governing fusion are far more deterministic than this and about the only thing that could cause such variability is the gravitational influence of other bodies. It just happens that the gravitational influence of other bodies on the Sun is relatively weak, but certainly not zero.

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          so? Doesn’t mean there are not cranks aplenty. What about our resident sun crank?

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            Cranks often take a kernel of truth and extrapolate it to absurdity, but that doesn’t negate the initial truth. For example, the fact that CO2 is a GHG is the kernel of truth that the IPCC and its self serving ‘consensus’ extrapolates to an absurd conclusion, however; this doesn’t negate the fact that CO2 is a GHG.

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              And me saying there are Jupiter cranks is not the same as saying that anyone talking about Jupiter is a crank.

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              co2isnotevil May, 2017 at 10:58 am

              “Cranks often take a kernel of truth and extrapolate it to absurdity, but that doesn’t negate the initial truth. For example, the fact that CO2 is a GHG is the kernel of truth that the IPCC and its self serving ‘consensus’ extrapolates to an absurd conclusion, however; this doesn’t negate the fact that CO2 is a GHG.”

              And what can you mean by GHG except that you buy into the complete nonsense of the CAGW scammers, consisting of a diversion of atmosphere storing sensible heat and somehow returning such heat back to the surface? Not even airborne H2O can possibly do that. H2O does store insolation power as latent heat of evaporation for 6-22 hours continually. Every bit of this latent heat is converted to sensible heat and emitted as EMR to space! None at all is ever emitted in the direction of the higher ‘radiance’ surface! :-)

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                Will,

                “None at all is ever emitted in the direction of the higher ‘radiance’ surface!”

                This is absolutely incorrect and about half of the photon energy absorbed by the atmosphere is returned to the surface as different photons at a later time. Otherwise, the average surface temperature would be about 255K instead of 288K.

                Your assertion that a higher radiance surface somehow blocks the absorption of lower energy photons is absurd, especially since Planck radiance is a distribution of photons at all possible energies and temperature is just a function of the photon energy (frequency) of maximum intensity.

                The issue is not whether or not the GHG effect exists, which all legitimate scientists on both sides agree does, but how big the effect is. The IPCC presumes an effect about 3-4 times larger than the physics of photons can explain. Until you can wrap your head around this, it will be difficult for you to understand the nature of the controversy and how the science must be corrected.

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                co2isnotevil March 23, 2017 at 5:10 am

                (Will, “None at all is ever emitted in the direction of the higher ‘radiance’ surface!”)

                “This is absolutely incorrect and about half of the photon energy absorbed by the atmosphere is returned to the surface as different photons at a later time. Otherwise, the average surface temperature would be about 255K instead of 288K.”

                The surface temperature is higher than ‘brightness temperature’ only because of static gravitational compression of Earths atmosphere. No thermal EMR exitance need ever originate at Earth’s surface!

                “Your assertion that a higher radiance surface somehow blocks the absorption of lower energy photons is absurd, especially since Planck radiance is a distribution of photons at all possible energies and temperature is just a function of the photon energy (frequency) of maximum intensity.”

                What intentional diversion! Per Planck, specific intensity, never referencing flux. You treat temperature as some weird function of something other, never; temperature is but a physical measurement of something other, (sensible heat of matter), never a cause of something other!!! Furthermore I never claimed any block of the absorption of lower energy photons. Mass can either emit or absorb at any frequency in one quantum epoch, but never both. To do both would insist on a composite quantum probability of greater than 100%. The very principals of all quantum mechanics simply destroy your claim of opposing EM flux at any frequency.

                “The issue is not whether or not the GHG effect exists, which all legitimate scientists on both sides agree does, but how big the effect is.”

                That is but your imbecilic claim. You simply cannot demonstrate any sensible heat transfer from atmosphere to lower temperature surface, especially via EMR. Such concept can only be a deliberate scam violation of the Rudy Clausius 2nd law of thermodynamics (1854); ‘Stuff don spontaneously go uphill, ever’!

                “The IPCC presumes an effect about 3-4 times larger than the physics of photons can explain. Until you can wrap your head around this, it will be difficult for you to understand the nature of the controversy and how the science must be corrected.”

                The science can only be corrected by trashing all post modern BS since Satyendra Bose fake physics 1924. :-(

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                Will,

                “The surface temperature is higher than ‘brightness temperature’ only because of static gravitational compression of Earths atmosphere.”

                I understand your misconception now. The surface temperature is the ‘color temperature’ of the radiation emitted by the planet, which is the temperature based on Wein’s displacement. This is higher than the brightness temperature because portions of the emitted spectrum have been removed by GHG’s and clouds and the total emitted power is less. While the color temperature of the planet is based on where the peak of the nearly ideal Planck spectrum emitted by the surface, the brightness temperature is related to the total emitted power at some distance, independent of the spectrum.

                Gravity sets the kinetic temperature profile of the atmosphere per a lapse rate, but the kinetic temperature of the atmosphere, that is, the temperature based on the kinetic theory of gases, is independent of the brightness temperature in the LWIR. The brightness temperature is a remotely sensed measurement of the kinetic temperature of matter at a distance (in this case, the surface) while the kinetic temperature is that of the matter at its surface (distance = 0).

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                co2isnotevil March 23, 2017 at 1:08 pm

                (Will, “The surface temperature is higher than ‘brightness temperature’ only because of static gravitational compression of Earths atmosphere.”)

                “I understand your misconception now. The surface temperature is the ‘color temperature’ of the radiation emitted by the planet, which is the temperature based on Wein’s displacement. This is higher than the brightness temperature because portions of the emitted spectrum have been removed by GHG’s and clouds and the total emitted power is less. While the color temperature of the planet is based on where the peak of the nearly ideal Planck spectrum emitted by the surface, the brightness temperature is related to the total emitted power at some distance, independent of the spectrum.”

                What total nonsense! While color or color temperature may possibly be the visible expression of sensible heat. the ‘visible’ flux to the lower temperature Mk1 mod4 eyeball, as viewed through a proper welding mask is only that of narrow band centered at 600 nm. This has nothing to do with color temperature or brightness temperature! Please go somewhere, anywhere, and purchase even one clue!

                “Gravity sets the kinetic temperature profile of the atmosphere per a lapse rate,”

                Only as a theoretical semi-static reference. Earth’s atmosphere is nowhere static! All must be unknown, or Climate Clown nonsense!

                “but the kinetic temperature of the atmosphere, that is, the temperature based on the kinetic theory of gases,”

                Can you possibly state ‘the kinetic theory of gases’, and what that may possibly mean, especially in some EMR sense?

                “is independent of the brightness temperature in the LWIR.”

                There is no such thing as brightness temperature in Earth’s radiance profile. Such cannot exist!

                “The brightness temperature is a remotely sensed measurement of the kinetic temperature of matter at a distance (in this case, the surface) while the kinetic temperature is that of the matter at its surface (distance = 0).”

                Much more desperate nonsense! Brightness temperature is but a useful construct of only narrow band EMR, like a CO2 laser 10.6 micron wavelength indicating the exact temperature of some absorber where EMR flux transfer must cease. Such laser can easily melt steel, or you! No part of such laser has thermometric temperature above 370 K. dis is quantum electrodynamics folk, not da punk thermodynamics! Next is quantum chromodynamics (QCD) which must turn any earthling mind into gibberish. :-)

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            Conversely, the crank attribute is often misapplied due to a failure to grasp the truth being presented and extrapolating the misunderstanding to absurdity.

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              you fail to grasp the truth being presented

              is the position that a crank must believe in, otherwise they could not continue to be cranks.

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                My point is just that crank is a highly subjective attribute used to denigrate a person rather than what they believe. When you disagree with what someone believes, even if you think what they believe is preposterous, the proper response is to explain why or offer a better alternative and not to call the other person a derogatory name. This is the classic tactic of those who unconditionally believe the claims of the IPCC and who revert to this technique only because they have no proper response.

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                some people prefer to proclaim anything they disagree with as Fake.

                A true crank can be identified objectively, so long as you have a clear definition, can identify what they are claiming and take the time to test their conviction (or inability to see its faults). For instance – have you ever delved into the world of those who claim to have slain a certain dragon. Is old Dougie still around?

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                Gee Aye March 22, 2017 at 3:22 pm

                “– have you ever delved into the world of those who claim to have slain a certain dragon. Is old Dougie still around?”

                Smelly cotton socks Dougie is everywhere’ just like his dragon. Much to the annoyance of all others! Running away from, before getting consumed, is the same as slaying, to some! :-)

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    Bruce

    Thank you Jo. Oh dear oh dear oh dear, if she is any indication of the products of the institutions of Higher Learning, these days, we do really need to drain the swamps, very soon.

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    RobbertBobbertGDQ

    Thanks You to Humphrey. B. Bear for the Tune

    What a funny old academic
    is Sophie.
    She really is the worrisome type.
    She leads a Betty Bourgeois
    Princes Life
    And Subsidies her
    Favourite Ware,
    Oh what a funny old academic
    is Sophie
    Climate and Kids
    are her favourite Scare.
    Oh what a funny old academic
    is Sophie
    No More kiddies is all The Planet
    can Bare/Bear?

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    RobbertBobbertGDQ

    Thanks to Humphrey. B. Bear for the Tune

    What a funny old academic
    is Sophie.
    She really is the worrisome type.
    She leads a Betty Bourgeois
    Princess Life
    And Subsidies her
    Favourite Ware,
    Oh what a funny old academic
    is Sophie
    Climate and Kids
    are her favourite Scare.
    Oh what a funny old academic
    is Sophie
    No More kiddies is all The Planet
    can Bare/Bear?

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    Bushkid

    Geez, hand the kid over to a loving couple for adoption at birth, and give the angst-ridden green loser the option to save the human race in a personal and intimate way.

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    Marshy

    “Part of my motivation for becoming a climate scientist was my grave worries for our future and my desire to make a positive contribution.”

    Good of Sophie to admit that she entered the field with a preconceived notion, and not at all surprising that her research has given outputs (modelled, of course) which supports her previously formed belief.

    It’s hard for a scientist to follow the evidence of data when they are making the data up.

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    Roy Hogue

    Reminds me of a guy from a long time back who went by the name Marion Morrison (John Wayne) who was so worried that the world would be ruined for his children that he could think of nothing else. He began changing his name to whatever he was likened to by someone in a comment. Finally when I called him the Energiser Bunny because of his persistence he began posting as Energiser Bunny.

    Those were the days when trolls were interesting and fun to deal with. But now… Well, we’ve heard this story a few times too many.

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    michael hart

    She needs to get a grip, before she hears the pitter-patter of the footsteps belonging to the men in white coats that are coming to take her away to the funny farm.

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    Bill

    Sophie methinks needs a large dose of lithium followed by electroshock therapy. I must say just when I think I can no longer be surprised by idiocy, along comes something like this.

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    PhilJourdan

    Why does the alarmist side attract the idiots? Apparently, she either does not really believe in AGW (else why have a child that contributes), or she is looking for a pity pat party!

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