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Baby corals learn from mummy corals warming lessons

Corals survived through four hundred million years of climate change. Despite that, corals still surprise survivors of four years of academia with their ability to keep dealing with climate change.

It’s been known for years that after corals bleach in warmer water, they acclimatize.

Here one shiny young researcher shows her carbonnointed worldview. She asks a really interesting question:

In one study of corals, for instance, she exposed adults to increased temperature and acidification, then exposed their offspring to the same conditions to see if they are more successful because of their parents’ previous experience.

Then sees the answer through AlGoreEyes:

“Interestingly, we found that there is potential for beneficial acclimatization because of parental history,” she said. “There is a more positive metabolic response and ecological response, greater survivorship and growth if their parents have been preconditioned to future scenarios.”

What’s the difference: “Preconditioned to future scenarios” or “Evolved to survive past ones”?

Not a reference

University of Rhode Island. “Professor examines effects of climate change on coral reefs, shellfish.” ScienceDaily. ScienceDaily, 21 February 2017. <www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/02/170221082101.htm>

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141 comments to Baby corals learn from mummy corals warming lessons

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    Yonniestone

    This is the warmist version of ‘The talk’, hopefully with such confusion there’ll be no procreation atoll.

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    jorgekafkazar

    What’s the difference: “Preconditioned to future scenarios” or “Evolved to survive past ones”?

    Lysenkoism.

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      Graeme No.3

      The Greens are keen on recycling, so why not bring back Lamark? [ hint: how the giraffe got its long neck ] His theories have been around for 200 years from a time when there was no electricity, petrol engines, SUV’s etc. – you can see why they would appeal to the Greens.

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      You beat me to it. I suspect Jo already thought of it, but thought it was too obvious to mention.

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    John F. Hultquist

    “… survivors of four years of academia …

    For those not of academia, the title “Professor” is frequently used to mean anyone that has taught anything at a college or university. A more rigorous context would limit the use to someone having obtained an advanced degree, done good work, and been promoted.

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      Allen Ford

      It seems like anyone who merely walks past a university, these days, gets a professorship. There seem to be more profs on campuses than students! It was once a title of prestige, usually confined to the upper echelons of a faculty, but is now so commonplace as to have lost its cache.

      Pity!

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        PeterPetrum

        My daughter is a Professor of Astrophysics in a major US university. I have no doubt that she earned it, she is brilliant. However, she must have swallowed the global warming pill because it is absolutely impossible to engage her in meaningful debate on this subject. I was a scientist before she was thought of, but she still managed to give me the “Dad, CO2 is a GREENHOUSE GAS!”, with a sigh and a shake of her head.

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          Annie

          Unbelievable, isn’t it? We have a grandson studying astrophysics; I wonder how long it will be before he’s a ‘professor’? Every time we stayed with the family we had arguments with him (he was still at school at the time) about the Coriolis Effect. We all still bring it up just to rag him!

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          OrigonalSteve

          I wonder if the educated closed mind phenomena is a purely leftist thing? Possibly not, although it seems to be very prevelent amongst at least 2 hard-left voting people i know.

          I’d be interested in other peoples thouhts…

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            James Murphy

            Cognitive dissonance reigns supreme amongst a few of my PhD level colleagues. They claim they are rigorously scientific, and (quite rightly) complain when they see people fiddling with work-related data to achieve desired results.

            Nevertheless, they do not question anything at all to do with climate, or weather data, nor do they question the claims made by ‘climate scientists’. They also worship Obama and Hillary Clinton like gods, and hate Trump with a passion which borders on an unhealthy obsession.

            On top of that, renewable energy gets no investigation either – One of them even said (quite joyfully) that they expected oil/gas demand to drop to almost zero in the next 5 years, thanks to the massive increase in wind and solar power generation capacity.

            They even started complaining about how terrible ‘big oil’ is, when I presented them with the BP projection that “renewable energy” will account for only 10% of global energy needs in 2035:
            http://www.bp.com/en/global/corporate/energy-economics/energy-outlook.html

            (note that myself, and these aforementioned colleagues all work in the oil industry)

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              KinkyKeith

              The importance of being part of a group and being valued and accepted is the key to modern life.

              Reality comes a poor second to the need for personal reassurance.

              People who understand this human failing are those who voted for Brexit and Trump.

              Australia is a long way from reaching the emotional awareness displayed by voters who changed those two countries.

              Emotional comfort is often underestimated and the mind control demonstrated by those you describe is frightening.

              The world is just frightened and people are scared to act independently of the mob.

              Mob rules.

              KK

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        Raven

        Four years at university is fine but all too often it get’s in the way of an education.

        My youngest daughter is going back to do her Masters in science. It’s odd because she’s not particularly academic though does know how to buckle down and get the job done.
        Out of curiosity I once questioned her about Climate Science™. She gave me one of those looks as if I’d told a ‘Dad’ joke so I think she’s safe.

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          PeterS

          So true. The more one stays at Universities the more they are divorced from reality. Those ivory towers are much taller than they us to be.

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    Forrest Gardener

    The “interestingly” suggests that cognitive dissonance is at play. That can only be a good thing and may lead to learning.

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    Oliver K. Manuel

    Academics receive research grants to endorse the UNAS’s (United National Academies of Sciences) “97% scientific consensus” i.e., Lysenkoism!

    This one might win a Nobel Prize, like Al Gore and the UN’s IPCC, or even the more coveted Crafoord Prize

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      OrigonalSteve

      They gave Obummer a nobel for being…. ..well , Obummer, and Big Al one for completing a Masters of Climate Nonsense,
      So i dont value the nobel much, although like real science, its yet another thing the Left seagulks have pooped on and destroyed…..

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        jorgekafkazar

        Zero-bama’s award was the Nobel “Peace” Prize. A friend of mine found one in a CrackerJack box. The Nobel Prizes for science are a different animal. Though similar in name, they are as dissimilar as grapes and grapefruit, apples and pineapples.

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    Phil R

    preconditioned to future scenarios

    This was actually written by a scientist (or scientist wannabe)? How can something be “preconditioned” to a condition that hasn’t occurred yet? This phrase verges more on tasseomancy, tarot cards and crystal balls than science. and if the parental corals did condition the babys, who conditioned them?

    I wish I knew how say in latin, “who conditions the conditioner?”

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      C. Paul Barreira

      Perhaps start with: “Quis adfeciet ipsos adfectes?”

      The shorthand is National Curriculum increasingly, by default, influential in tertiary institutions. See, for example, Melbourne University and sustainability.

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        David Maddison

        What, are they going to build windmills and giant battery packs at this “university” which was once devoted to actual scholarship?

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      KinkyKeith

      Hi Phil,

      It seems that the coral was exposed to the adverse conditions; warm water, and then allowed to procreate.

      The offspring of the test coral was then compared with a control group which had been brought into the world from a cooler environment.

      The offspring which were the subject of the study presumably did better than the control group.

      The only good news from all of this is that future offspring of the control group would be gifted the ability to resist global warming.

      While we certainly need research into coral I am concerned that it may be a bit overdone.

      There are many pressing scientific issues that need resolution before we start spending more millions on studying coral.

      Two examples of probems needing research are cancer, in all its forms and the mental health of our nation.

      Australia has become famous for a little acknowledged fact that needs urgent attention. Our country has one of the highest youth suicide rates in the western world: this is surely an indicator that we have been heading in the wrong direction for too many decades. Unhappy, confused people deserve our attention just as much as the coral.

      KK

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        correct KK. Basically this type of study is looking to see what affect cytoplasmic components, that are handed from one generation to the next, can have on adaptation of the offspring. Maybe we should have a class on epigenetics andDNA methylation and we could even throw in something about mitochondria. What fun.

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          And because “coral” is really a symbiotic collection we could also talk about potential differences in the symbiont population too. In humans, mothers also pass on microflora to children which affects their health (though I don’t see how that can happen with the floating spores). Perhaps epigenetic gene silencing changes the type of symbiont that the baby corals later aquire?

          But repopulation with a new tougher less-heat-sensitive kind of symbiont is a significant reason corals are able to adapt to bleaching.

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        Phil R

        KK,

        Thanks for the response. I totally agree. in other words, their study provides another confirmation. s of species evolution. I was really commenting on the weird, non-scientific, awkward and almost prognosticatory phraseology, when they could have just commented that they inherited it from their parents, grandparents, and all the evolutionary changes that occurred to corals throughout their history.

        And as an anti-antipodian, I was not aware of the statistics regarding youth suicide rates in Australia. I absolutely agree that there are much more immediate and pressing issues than climastrology that taxpayer funds should be funding.

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          KinkyKeith

          Hi Phil,

          As Gee Aye has indicated, this process is more likely studying epigenetic effects rather than the slower evolution type changes we are more familiar with.

          It was found that diabetes type 11 was linked to adaptations produced by the mother in response to current experience, i.e. Calorie intake.

          KK

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          weird, non-scientific, awkward and almost prognosticatory phraseology,

          an apt description of much that passes as science journalism – including that on the ABC when they agree with the scientist (sheesh) – what you read is what was reported. We wern’t there to see the full interview(s)

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    TinyCO2

    Perhaps when they’ve run out of catastrophes that aren’t happening they’ll start to notice that the end of the World isn’t nigh either?

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    richard

    Or we can go to Biknini Atoll, where man does not go, and find the Coral growing like a forest and in pristine condition.

    Funny thing where man does not go. Chernobyl – wildlife is thriving now.

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    Ruairi

    It should not come as any surprise,
    That corals acclimatize,
    And can easily survive,
    Adapt, change and thrive,
    Unless studied through Al Gore Eyes.

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    el gordo

    Corals adapt to circumstances beyond their control, even drowning caused by global warming.

    “The past is the key to the present — the reef almost drowned just prior to 129,000 years ago,” she said.

    “Sea levels were rising very rapidly and the reef was not able to keep up.”

    Dr Dechnik said the reef eventually did manage to hold on.

    “When sea levels had stabilised, the reef was able to catch up and re-establish itself,” she said.

    ABC News

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      Greg Cavanagh

      Unbelievable.

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      David Maddison

      I wonder if she has any actual clue how coral reefs form? From Wikipedia:

      “Most of the coral reefs we can see today were formed after the last glacial period when melting ice caused the sea level to rise and flood the continental shelves. This means that most modern coral reefs are less than 10,000 years old. As communities established themselves on the shelves, the reefs grew upwards, pacing rising sea levels. Reefs that rose too slowly could become drowned reefs. They are covered by so much water that there was insufficient light.[12]“

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      suddenly you all trust the ABC? Were her comments reported accurately, in context and in full?

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        David Maddison

        Their ABC generally report accurately anyone that supports their leftist political agenda which includes anyone who believes in CAGW and related matters.

        They report inaccurately and deceptively upon anyone who is politically “conservative” and believes in traditional evidence-based science.

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            el gordo

            Aunty is in the business of disseminating alternative facts.

            Pseudo Marxists to the core.

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              Raven

              This AlGoreEyes logic reminds me of a recent news article about a sea turtles nesting sight . . also on their ABC, of course.

              It was mostly about how the recent heat wave had cooked/killed some of the baby turtles soon after hatching. The other angle was sea level rise and how the hatching site was overcrowded. The overcrowding caused more recent arrivals to damage/destroy existing nests.

              The “expert” proudly told how they’d saved 400 baby turtles but also noted that only one in a thousand hatchlings survived to maturity.

              I couldn’t help thinking this whole caper was a good example of nature taking it’s course and that they’d saved precisely 0.4 of a turtle.

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              OrigonalSteve

              Nothing psuedo about it…..

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            el gordo

            While I’ve got your attention, comrade. Do you have an opinion on this quote from Judith Curry.

            “It’s not just the fact that climate simulations are tuned that is problematic. It may well be that it is impossible to make long-term predictions about the climate – it’s a chaotic system after all. If that’s the case, then we are probably trying to redesign the global economy for nothing”.

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              that quote could mean anything and could be much for the hard core skeptics to loath.

              It’s not just the fact that climate simulations are tuned that is problematic.

              every climate scientist of every colour knows this. They write paper after paper about the problems and use the inadequacies of the science in order to lever more grants. So Judith is supporting the grant industry here.

              It may well be that it is impossible to make long-term predictions about the climate – it’s a chaotic system after all.

              in bold (also below) are equivocations and undefined terms that make this sentence completely meaningless. It is so wishy washy it washed away.

              If that’s the case, then we are probably trying to redesign the global economy for nothing”.

              since she preceded this “conclusion” with sentences that I believe contain faults plus it appears as a non-sequitur

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              and I forgot to mention… since I don’t know the full context of the statement my critique is just on face value. If context has a bearing I am happy to withdraw the critique.

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                el gordo

                Okay, here is Curry’s job application to get a little casual work with the Trump Administration.

                http://www.thegwpf.org/content/uploads/2017/02/Curry-2017.pdf

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                I there anything in there I need to read. I’ve bitten off a chunk but it is waffly and vague. Some bits are nice but not new to me. Interesting that that is what she thinks a “layman” wants to read from an expert.

                OK it was a small chunk before I became bored

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                and the font is awful.

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                el gordo

                Yeah, I’m a Times Roman fancier.

                If we jump to the summary she mentions the 30 hear cycle and then leaves it up in the air.

                ‘However, there have been large variations in global/hemispheric climate on timescales of 30 years, which are the same duration as the late 20th century warming. The IPCC does not have convincing explanations for previous 30-year periods in the 20th century, notably the warm-’

                Clearly imbedded is the 60 year cycle, but lets not go there just yet.

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    Just Thinkin'

    Don’t forget, coral bleaching only started happening in 1982 when
    scientists “found” it for the first time.

    So did coral spawning….

    Instead of the millions of dollars spent in research grants,
    they could have ” asked a local.”

    But, that would have taken all the fun out of it, eh.

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      It’s been known for years that after corals bleach in warmer water, they acclimatize.

      Is the cause of coral bleaching known?

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        Peter C

        Is the cause of coral bleaching known?

        No response so I suppose that the answer is No.

        It is interesting that someone objects to the question even being asked.

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      toorightmate

      The James Cook and ANU “experts” actually talk to the coral to gauge their opinions.
      The corals are right “up to speed” with CO2 effects on forcing, ocean “acidification”, shipping timetables and routes and farming pesticides and fertilisers.
      In fact, I think the corals are more “up to speed” with these things than the “experts” and the Greens.
      Oops, I have stuffed up there. The “experts” are the Greens.

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      Hasbeen

      Yep. I had it explained to me in 1973, by a Mackay professional reef fisherman, who had not gone past 6Th class in primary school.

      I asked what the horrible brown & yellow floating sludge was that was staining the topsides of my yacht.

      He explained in full, about the mating habits of coral, releasing their spore simultaneously one night. He even told me how long it was from the night of release to all that dead stuff floating around in ten acre patches.

      Pity those professors never asked him. Of course he spent most of his life out at the Swains [reef]. Few marine researchers ever get out there. The big nasty ocean makes them sea sick, so they play about in tanks in Townsville.

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    David Maddison

    How is coral bleaching meant to be due to “climate change” when the oceans aren’t warming?

    And as the world cools, the coral will adapt to that as well as they always do.

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    pat

    more humour:

    21 Feb: UK Telegraph: Justin Huggler: Discord in Angela Merkel’s government after environment ministry bans meat at official functions
    (Environment minister) Ms Hendricks is a member of the Social Democrats (SPD), who have surged ahead of Mrs Merkel’s CDU in the polls under their new leader, Martin Schulz, the former European parliament president.
    Senior figures in Mrs Merkel’s party have pounced on the vegetarian catering policy as evidence the centre-left SPD will interfere in citizens’ private lives on ideological grounds…

    It is claimed meat farming accounts for up to a third of greenhouse gas emissions…
    But Ms Hendricks has been accused of hypocrisy after it emerged that the ban only applies to official functions, and that meat and fish are still available to ministry officials in the staff canteen.
    “You have to eat what’s on the table according to the will of the ministry. No meat, no fish, and the cover of ‘climate protection’,” Gitta Conneman, a senior MP in the CDU told Bild newspaper.
    “They won’t save the climate by branding people who eat meat, and they know this. The ban only applies to a handful of guests, not to 1,200 employees. This is pure ideology, a ‘people’s education’ for the diet.”

    “We’re not tell(ing) anyone what they should eat,” the environment ministry said in a statement. “But we want to set a good example for climate protection, because vegetarian food is more climate-friendly than meat and fish.”
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/21/discord-angela-merkels-government-environment-ministry-bans/

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      KinkyKeith

      You may laugh Pat but the fact that so many swallow this sort of personal observance as being an essential part of modern life is really spooky.

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        OrigonalSteve

        The NWO policy is forced vegetarianism for the whole planet. What it means in real terms us the nazi-like ideology of the occult NWO death cult is starting to surface like a boat-staining sewerage spill….

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    David Maddison

    Can somebody please tell me when we reach Peak Clueless?

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    KinkyKeith

    David,

    Perhaps one indication of “peak clueless” is when community leaders are more clueless than those being led.

    It seems that we arrived there some time ago.

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      KinkyKeith

      A close indicator of the number of “lost” people can be seen on this blog.

      We have people like Willard who is trying to sell wall batteries or something and is opposed to this site because we want to use “real” electricity that is made from the very best and cheapest ingredients.

      He advocates the use of environmentally damaging technology that is expensive and subject to much obscure legislative protectionism because he has been told to do this by some authority figure dressed in a bright Green Santa Claus suit.

      We have reached peak clueless and are now doomed to orbit in ever diminishing circles until we disappear in a blinding flash of light into LiPo heaven.

      Piqued.

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    Corals survived through four hundred million years of climate change.

    It is almost like you are goading me to comment!

    This statement is demonstrably* misleading if you are trying to indicate that a particular coral at a particular place will be resilient. The group of animals called corals has existed since near the beginnings of complex eukaryota is a true statement but is, of course, not supportive of what you are trying to imply. The researcher’s work is interesting and demonstrates useful information about coral physiology and environmental interactions.

    *Demonstrably:

    1.Of the species of coral alive today, none of them were around more than about a million years ago. Roughly 400,000,000 years would have meant tens of thousands of coral species extinctions, every one of them due to an inability to adapt to change.

    2. there are 2000+ species of soft and hard corals and they live in many different places depending on how well they cope with temperature, salinity, light, nutrients, predators. You cannot transplant a south Is NZ coral to PNG and hope to get it to live. So why are these coral not preconditioned to shallow water, bright light and warm seas since at some point in their evolution their ancestors lived in these conditions?

    Specialization is an optimization process. The specialist of cold dark waters is not hanging on to, and somehow preserving the function of, the huge amount of DNA it would require to reform into one of its heat and light loving ancestors. This rejection of unused genome is true of all creatures but even more true of small, short generation time creatures.

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      KinkyKeith

      Obviously goading hasn’t worked so I’ll ask, what’s the message?

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          KinkyKeith

          Well you acknowledge that corals have been around for a very long time; but then you seem to contradict that.

          Perhaps you are trying to highlight the difference between Darwinian evolution and the more or less “immediate” mechanism of epigenetic, if I understand that term correctly, the mechanism because apparent during the studies arising from the Dutch Winter hunger during ww11.

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            No contradication. There are limits to what epigenic effects can impart on an individual. Using my extreme example of cold deep coral transplanted into warm tropical shallows. Preconditioning might produce an outcome in the right direction but never to the extent that the polyp will turn into a thriving coral colony. If this were the case we would be witnessing species occupying much greater environmental ranges than they presently do. The reason they don’t is that they don’t have the capacity to do so.

            In all likelihood it would not survive even briefly. Which also brings us to lab versus field observations. Assuming rising temperatures, the coral, that is adapting to temperature will simultaneously be dealing with the many macro and micro environmental changes. The lab studies barely touch on what will happen over many generations.

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              Complete speculation, nothing more.

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              Graeme No.3

              Gee Aye:

              Don’t you remember the old prayer “lead not into temptation with our chin” ?

              For all that I have given you 2 thumbs up, because I agree (mostly) with you. Modern corals – as in reef building polyps – seem to have started in the Jurassic period so after 150+millions years they will have ‘learnt’ a few survival tricks. Perhaps someone will report seeing coral polyps wearing T-shirts with the slogan WE OUTLASTED the DINOSAURS.

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                thanks although the birds will be wearing t-shirts saying, “We are dinosaurs”.

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                Greg Cavanagh

                That is likely true. I’ve never read up on such things so can’t affirm or refute that.

                However; the Hamelin Pool Stromatolites are reportedly 3.5 billion years old and unchanged.
                http://www.australiascoralcoast.com/attractions-events/natural-wonders-of-the-coral-coast/stromatolites-of-hamelin-pool

                As far as this study goes, I would give it 1 out of 10. They’ve speculated and done one test. I’m not about to believe it until they do another 9 at least, and others have also replicated the results. Both conditions must be met, then I might start to believe it.

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                Greg… when you write “unchanged”, what do you mean? Do you mean if we had the advantage of a time machine and placed each side-by-side we would observe minimal differences in physiology or DNA or what? Certainly as they are asexually reproducing and likely have strong canalizing selection I’d suggest that yes to physiology and no to DNA, but I bet something surprising would be found.

                I didn’t really see a study? Do you want some stromatolite references?

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    Rodzki

    Sounds like epigenetics being applied.

    – the study of changes in organisms caused by modification of gene expression rather than alteration of the genetic code itself.

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    ROM

    quoted; their parents have been preconditioned to future scenarios.”
    .

    The “professor” [ very definitely a small "p" proffessor. [sarc / ] now believes that the juveniles of coral creatures are “preconditionerd to future scenarios” so she apparently can predict quite confidently what those ocean / climate scenarios are going to be. ie; In short, she can apparently and accurately predict and foretell the future.

    Surely a much greater and better paying attribute if valid and put to work than just being a ” professor”.

    Secondly right through the Daily Science article is the assumption that the oceans will get “warmer” and they will become more “acidic”.

    And yet the ocean remains in the alkaline/ basic range of the pH scale, something the still wet behind the ears “professor” doesn’t even get right in her public comments.

    From a so called professor that is specialising in ocean marine life anybody at all with some knowledge of ocean chemistry would immediately know that the oceans are basic on the pH scale even though the entire enormous mass of annual runoff water in the rivers and streams of the world’s land masses that enter the ocean are acidic and probably always have been.
    The world’s oceans have the aeons long ability to buffer the acidic runoff of the global land masses rivers and streams and so remain alkaline / basic through out.
    .
    The claims are that the oceans have gone from a pH of around 8.2 some 200 years ago to a pH of 8.1 today due to the absorption of CO2 .

    Again 200 years ago the pH of a very, very localised ocean pondage of water was no doubt measureable.
    But for the world’s ocean’s, there was simply no way that this claim that the ocean pH of 8.2 could have been ever be verified across the enormous expanse of the global oceans those two centuries ago.

    Secondly, if such a shift in ocean pH had occurred from the extra CO2 absorption it would have only occurred over the last half a century as the emissions of CO2 rose rapidly with global industrialisation and therefore would have to be very obvious and even measurable over the last half a century .

    Going back two centuries with almost no CO2 emissions of consequence for at least the first century and quarter of that period to try and establish that mankind is acdifying the oceans is just grossly misleading to anybody who doesn’t think this claim through, probably considering the mentality of such individuals, the most likely explanation.
    .

    As for getting warmer, where’s the proof that this “will” occur as claimed?
    And by warmer does that mean a 100th of a degree over the next half or even full century is going to make a huge difference to the corals and marine life.

    Even today the claim of a rise in the global ocean’s temperatures, a claimed rise in temperature in fact that is less than the measurement error bars of the instruments on which those claims are based.

    Which make such claims of significant ocean warming statistically irrelevant except under extreme data massaging, a very common and almost fundamental requirement of climate science today to get the output that the climate scientists require to bolster their case.

    In short other than for novelty this type of research above is a massive waste of public funds with no beneficial upside of any sort perceivable at all for anybody, least of all the coral animals and the taxpayers who are forced to pay for this crap that goes under the name of so sort of science.

    And some scientists are now beginning to wonder why they are now beginning to get such a questionable reputation amongst a goodly part of the public who are getting rather sick of both paying for this scientific crap as well as having it forced down their throats every day by those who claim, often without any qualifications in the field whatsoever, [ ie dead wombat specialists or whatever ] to be some sort of expert on everything climate related..

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    David Maddison

    O/T

    Another SA factory shuts down due to the Green Dream.

    But look at the bright side, there’ll be more electricity for other people.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/almost-200-jobs-lost-as-coca-cola-closes-south-australia-plant/news-story/dd631661be27941ed3058bb5508db11f

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    pat

    from being the best in the world:

    27 Aug 2016: ABC: Deep sea divers provide first close up look at colourful reef off Tasmanian east coast
    By Rhiannon Shine and Ros Lehman
    Rare black coral, colourful sponges and abundant marine life have been revealed in the first close-up footage of a recently mapped reef off Tasmania’s east coast…
    Now, two members of the Tasmanian Scuba Diving Club members – James Parkinson and Andreas Klocker – have taken a much clearer, close-up look…
    They filmed a wide range of marine life, some of it never before seen by scientists.
    Mr Klocker explored reefs all over the world, including in the Maldives and Thailand, but said this was by far the best dive he had experienced.
    “I think we have some of the best diving ever here [in Tasmania] to be honest,” he said.
    “I don’t bother going overseas much any more for ocean diving.
    “It seems like the deeper you get in Tassie the more colourful it gets in general.”…

    Institute for Marine and Antarctic Studies (IMAS) project leader Neville Barrett said the vision provided detailed information about marine life on the reef…
    “We have learned about an incredible coverage of black coral over that particular feature, that was really exciting to see,” Dr Barrett said.
    “We know that they [the coral] can live for many hundreds, in fact thousands of years”…
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-25/deep-divers-reveal-reef-discovery-off-tasmanian-east-coast/7782660

    to being the CAGW canary in the coal mine!

    21 Feb: ClimateChangeNews: Karl Mathiesen: 100+ species face extinction as warming hits Australia’s southern waters
    Scientists tell senate committee that marine animals and plants at Australia’s southern-most point have “nowhere to go” and will disappear this century
    Neville Barrett, a research fellow at the Institute for Marine and Antarctic Studies in Hobart, where the hearing was held, told the Environment and Communications References Committee that the waters around Tasmania were a global hotspot for warming.
    “I mentioned that there were 100 or more species in general of kelps and endemic fishes and things that will probably disappear over the coming century, certainly by the turn of the next century under the current bottom end of predictions of climate change,” he told Climate Home after his appearance…

    “There’s a whole lot of species on the southern end of Australia that are as far south as they can currently go and some of them are already pushed to their upper thermal limit, as far as summer temperatures will go.”
    Beyond Tasmania, there is no major landmass until Antarctica, meaning many species have “nowhere else to go”, said Barrett…
    One such species is the giant kelp, Macrocystis pyrifera, the last stands of which Climate Home reported had been lost from Tasmania’s east coast in 2016.

    Dive tour operator Mick Baron, who alerted Climate Home to the loss of the forests, was also giving evidence to the senate committee on Tuesday. A diver and explorer of that underwater ecosystem for more than 40 years, Baron said his business was unlikely to survive the impact of the loss of the forests.
    Tasmania’s east coast has warmed two to three times faster than the global average, because of a disturbance in the East Australian Current, which transports warm water from the north down Tasmania’s east coast…

    Greens senator and committee chair Peter Whish-Wilson said the evidence he had heard was “more confronting that I was expecting”…
    “Tasmania’s waters are the canary in the coal mine because subtropical warm waters are being pushed South into sub-Antarctic cold waters, but if we keep going as we are then everywhere will be worse off.”..
    http://www.climatechangenews.com/2017/02/21/more-than-100-species-face-extinction-as-warming-hits-australias-southern-waters/

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    PeterS

    What’s the difference: “Preconditioned to future scenarios” or “Evolved to survive past ones”? Simple. The former refers to those corals that came back from the future in a time machine. The latter were those that evolved through natural selection and adapted to the changing climate. I let the readers decide which one is the more accurate description of what happened.

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    Robert Rosicka

    So in order for coral to reproduce you need a mummy coral and a daddy coral that love each other
    Very much , then you need the right temperature to set the mood .
    Just what that temperature is depends on where the coral is , some grow in cold climes some in warm but they still have to love each other very much .
    I should ask for a job at The University of Queensland.

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      Graeme No.3

      With such a ‘sexist’ approach you won’t have a chance. Mummy and Daddy indeed, what about trans genders and the 28 other variations of corals dreampt up in the sheltered workshops for the intellectually retarded (formerly known as Universities).

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    whatever…

    Environmental Research Letters: Perspective has a strong effect on the calculation of historical contributions to global warming
    Published 21 Feb 2017 Open Access
    Abstract
    The politically contentious issue of calculating countries’ contributions to climate change is strongly dependent on methodological choices. Different principles can be applied for distributing efforts for reducing human-induced global warming…
    Despite the fact that the decision from COP21 explicitly rules out compensation in the context of loss and damage, it is likely that considerations of historical responsibility will also play a role in future discussions. However, methodological choices have substantial impacts on calculated contributions to warming, including rank-ordering of contributions, and thus support the view that there is no single correct answer to the question of how much each country has contributed. There are fundamental value-related and ethical questions that cannot be answered through a single set of calculated contributions. Thus, analyses of historical contributions should not present just one set of results, but rather present a spectrum of results showing how the calculated contributions vary with a broad set of choices…READ ON
    http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/aa5b0a/meta

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    Rick Will

    Not much to do with coral but here is another opportunity to help save the globe!

    If you think it is a crazy idea for the Liberal government to be considering new coal plants, here is the opportunity to contribute directly to the fighting fund to stop it in addition to the sponsorship of renewable energy that all electricity buyers already provide.

    https://solarcitizens.nationbuilder.com/2017_solar_fighting_fund?utm_campaign=protect_cefc_2&utm_medium=email&utm_source=solarcitizens

    If you scroll down you will see there are plenty of contributors and the target is close so if you want to be associated with saving the planet then you need to get in now.

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      Robert Rosicka

      $30 thou will do what exactly ? Peak stupidity is now being touted as when Hazelwood closes .

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        PeterS

        Nine coal fired power stations have been closed down over the past few years. More closures are to follow with the next one being Liddell in 2022. So peak stupidity has not been reached yet. Meanwhile other countries are building coal fired power stations as fast as they can – totally around 1,000 word-wide. Japan alone is building almost 50 of them. Go figure. Are we the stupid country or not?

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      Peter C

      If you think it is a crazy idea for the Liberal government to be considering new coal plants

      I am trying to work out where you are coming from here Rick.

      No I do not think that is a crazy idea, It is the beginning of enlightened thinking. No I do not want to save the planet by getting in now. I would rather save Victoria than save the world

      Supplementary question from our previous discussion; Where did you purchase your Battery storage.

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        Peter C
        There is a view that Trump is a game changer with regard to sensible policy on CO2 and renewables. I disagree. The solar citizens link shows you how willing people are to part with money to fight their good cause. I went along to a solar citizens meeting a few years ago thinking there would be some good technical discussion. It is purely a lobby group for subsidies. I see that these groups are multiplying their efforts as politicians are beginning to glimpse the nightmare ahead. There is an incredibly strong belief that they can see the future and it is all roses and sunshine without a spec of coal dust.

        That was the point of showing the link so people here who think the cause of the problem is so obvious, are aware that renewable supports are just going harder. The fighting fund has gained $1000 since I posted the link this afternoon. How does that compare with what Jo Nova can raise when the call goes out. Solar citizens employ professional lobbyists. They are constantly aware of where polies will be and make plans how there can be influenced.

        There is little point exchanging views with like minded people on this site if that information is not getting out to challenge views that see CO2 as evil and renewables as the saviour.

        LiFePO4 Cells – The ones in the 5kWh bank came from EVWorks in Perth – Price to ship to Melbourne were very reasonable and they were very well crated up:
        http://www.evworks.com.au/battery-systems/batteries/
        The cells have gone up quite a lot in price since I bought them; mainly due to exchange rate. They are a little cheaper out of China in USD terms. I have also imported cells directly from China but EVWorks was price competitive by the time the transport costs are included. It is still worth looking at China because there are some good deals but there is greater transport risk. Also if you buy more than $1000 at once you will pay duty. There are some new lithium chemistries that are supposed to have even longer cycle life but there is no prospect of that being evaluated in my lifetime.

        There are a few basic precautions that you need to be aware of with Lithium so if you do get cells for testing then I can go into more detail on that but we should do it through emails. I had a friend who bought a LiPoly battery to power a trolling motor on a canoe. It only lasted a couple of trips and he complained to the supplier that it was a dud. They sent another at no cost but he had related the story to me and was a bit shocked to learn that he should not run the battery flat. He now takes two batteries and he monitors voltage. He knows he should be heading home before he swaps to the spare battery.

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    Rick Will -

    I wonder if those “solar citizens” realise how they play into the hands of those forever trying to con resource-rich-Africans into leap-frogging fossil fuel industrialisation in the name of CAGW:

    20 Feb: Thomson Reuters Foundation: INTERVIEW – Solar-powered Africa “never more possible and less expensive” – energy chief
    By Maina Waruru
    ABU DHABI: A “solar revolution” is coming to Africa, comparable in scale and importance to the rapid surge in mobile phone use on the continent two decades ago, predicts (Adnan Amin) the head of the International Renewable Energy Agency…
    “It has never been more possible and less expensive for Africa to realise this potential,” he said.

    Both grid-connected solar power and off-grid solar energy now offer “cost-competitive means to meet rising energy needs and bring electricity to the 600 million Africans who currently lack access”, Amin said.
    Innovations – including better transmission and storage for solar power, and new payment systems – also mean using more solar power in Africa could boost economies and create jobs for millions of people across the continent, he said.
    “Africa’s vast solar potential presents a huge opportunity for people to engage in a range of economic activities such as irrigation and agro-processing, and it is already beginning to happen,” said the Nairobi-born Amin…

    MORE INNOVATION, LESS COST
    Solar can have high upfront costs, compared to traditional fuels, but a number of technological and financing advances – such as pay-as-you-go solar, with payments made by mobile phone – are helping deal with that problem, he said.
    ***IRENA estimates that up to 60 million Africans already may be using off-grid renewable electricity of some kind…
    But for use of solar to dramatically expand further, countries will need sound regulatory frameworks, master plans that help draw in local investors, and a sufficient number of entrepreneurs, Amin said.
    Government finance institutions will also need to help cut the risks investors face in financing large solar projects in order to keep interest rates for loans low, he said.
    That view is shared by Snehar Shah, director of solar company Azuri East Africa, which has sold over 100,000 solar home systems in East Africa over the last four years…

    Crafting policies to support the growth of solar power will be key for continued uptake of it, said Pavel Oimeke, director of renewable energy for the Kenya Energy Regulatory Commission.
    Some African countries have lowered or removed duties on the import of solar equipment and appliances, while others – such as Kenya – have set attractive feed-in tariffs for renewable energy to attract investment in solar power plants.
    http://in.reuters.com/article/africa-solar-potential-idINL8N1G404Q

    Economist: African energy: The leapfrog continent
    Aljazeera: Can Africa leapfrog the carbon energy age?
    Financial Times: African path to avoid fossil fuel dependency
    Guardian: Developing countries could leapfrog west with clean energy, says Hollande

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      Rick Will

      I expect villagers in Africa would be blown away by a solar and panel, battery and a a LED light. Expectations are low and there is no particular expectation that the lights will come on when the switch is operated. A pump that transfers water from a well to a village does not matter much if it runs continuously, just enough to avoid the back breaking work of hand pumping and carrying water. These are third world countries and intermittent generation is a third world resource. Watch what happens to South Australia and maybe Victoria when Hazelwood closes.

      Have a look at the medium term outlook outlook for SA and VIC. My bet is that this is optimistic. I will be surprised if SA makes it through JUne this year.

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        OrigonalSteve

        At what point do we call for the SA govt to be sacked en-mass for the power debacle….? At least they might be replaced with a decent givt that actualky looks out for its people. Its almost Biblucal, the madness that has crept up and taken hold of the population.

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          OrigonalSteve

          I hate small keypads….

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            Graeme No.3

            Unfortunately SA has fixed 4 year terms so the next election is March 17 2018. Labor will be without the gerrymander which has enabled them to win the past 2 elections with 47% (2 party pref.) of the vote.
            What with the new Adelaide Hospital fiasco, the debt, the crumbling bridges, the burst water mains, the loss of industry and jobs, and the general air of incompetence they don’t really need more blackouts to lose the election. Sadly the Opposition isn’t visible – at dinner a week ago it took 12 of us several minutes to recall the name of the Leader.

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          Rick Will

          I do not think the power situation in SA is as bad as it could be. If Hazelwood goes then June should be interesting. For Victoria as well.

          This year there were energy shortages in Europe and the poorer countries did not meet their obligations to dispatch power to Germany because they wanted to maintain fuel reserves. There are some new rules being written. A similar situation could occur with Victoria not wanting to risk power outages to supply SA. It will be interesting watching the Federal libs mediating the discussion between the two labour States. I am not sure how AEMO would respond in this circumstance. The national grid still has the semblance of the State blocks so if push comes to shove the generation in any State should first meet that States requirement; but not certain.

          This is the link I meant to place a few posts up:
          https://www.aemo.com.au/Electricity/National-Electricity-Market-NEM/Data-dashboard#medium-term-outlook
          You need to click on the state tab to see the forecast for each state – NSW is the default alphabetically. There are no shortages forecast for June but I do not know if Hazelwood is factored in yet. I will be surprised if there are no outages this June.

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    pat

    22 Feb: ABC: Tackling climate change conservatively: How a Republican calls for action in the Trump era
    By Patrick Wood
    Bob Inglis was a Republican Congressman, which to him meant one thing: “Climate change was nonsense.”…
    Fast forward to 2004 and Mr Inglis was preparing for yet another run at office when his eldest son, who was about to vote in his first election, approached him.
    “He said to me, ‘Dad I’ll vote for ya, but you’re gonna clean up your act on the environment’.”…
    The next two steps in Mr Inglis’s transition from critic to climate action champion were visits to Antarctica and Australia’s Great Barrier Reef…

    And he’s brought that message to Australia, where he is currently touring the country to speak at public forums as well as with political and business leaders…
    Mr Inglis tracks the split between the left and right on climate change in the US back the global financial crisis, which broke in 2008…

    Nevertheless, Mr Inglis said he remained hopeful President Trump would be open to his ideas.
    “I don’t for a minute think that Donald Trump actually believes that it’s a Chinese hoax and conspiracy, he’s clearly playing to the crowd,” he said.
    “Admittedly it’s a ‘bank shot’, but there’s a chance that he might decide to complete the sentence this way: ‘Richard Nixon went to China; Bill Clinton did welfare reform; Donald Trump did climate change’.”
    For now, Mr Inglis takes heart seeing young conservatives joining the environmental cause and embracing principles that speak to their beliefs…
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-22/a-republican-case-for-climate-action-in-the-trump-era/8275120

    what ABC doesn’t say.
    Inglis is a NEVERTRUMPER.
    who has brought him to Australia? it appears to be The Australia Institute and the United States Studies Centre at the Uni of Sydney, which, according to Wikipedia “is funded from an endowment established by the Australian Government of $25 million with additional support from the University of Sydney, the NSW Government and the American Australian Association through contributions from business and private individuals.”

    Climate reality could strike Trump: Inglis | SBS News
    4 hours ago – Deeply conservative former congressman Bob Inglis believes reality will force US President Donald Trump to impose a price on carbon in the near future.

    22 Feb: news.com.au: Trump will reverse climate change position, former Republican congressman Bob Inglis says
    In a speech to the National Press Club in Canberra today …READ ON
    http://www.news.com.au/national/politics/trump-will-reverse-climate-change-position-former-republican-congressman-bob-inglis-says/news-story/f55f23c7e8034dc22d94a1cc8b274927

    as in the US, Inglis is a media darling.

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    22 Feb: ABC: Coca-Cola’s exit from SA after more than 75 years a ‘massive blow’ for the Thebarton community
    “Those household names, which were located in SA, are no longer,” (Adelaide real estate agent Richard) Hayward said.
    “Unfortunately, it must be the way of the world, and the costs of doing business in this state and country, is always a hurdle, particularly when you look at electricity prices at the moment.
    “Then you’ve got the cost of production, compliance issues, governance issues, which are required for safety, it really does put a burden on business.
    “Manufacturing, I think, is dying a slow death unfortunately in SA.”
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-22/sa-coke-closure-like-having-your-heart-ripped-out/8294036

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    Mark - Helsinki

    I post on corals on WUWT quite a bit.

    Corals evolved with temperature as boreal forests have evolved with fire.

    Corals handle warming events very well, and the result is a clutter clearing. I build reefs, have done for 20 years. Dead corals and live rock is the seed for a fantastically diverse reef. This is why recoveries of reefs are always rapid, relatively speaking as other Australian reefs have shown this to be ecologically fact.

    Ask yourself, how did corals develop a response to warming events? How long did it take for this response to evolve? hundreds of thousands of years? millions?
    What does this tell one? That Corals have been doing this since there has been corals.

    Corals don’t respond to slow warming, they respond to sudden warming. Cooling also has the same impact, if temps drop to 74f or below over a relatively short period.
    I have often raised temperature in 5000 gallon reef systems by 10f over the duration of a couple of weeks when reef keepers have had their temperatures too low, from 74f to say 83\84f with very positive reef health\growth results there after.

    Coral reefs above all else like stability, instability of light spectrum nutrients temperature and water chemistry cause bleaching.

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    Mark - Helsinki

    Conditions occur that change the balanced symbiosis of algae and coral. Chronic or acute nutrient shortage, the coral may not produce enough waste to sustain the zooxanthellae. The zooxanthellae won’t be able to produce enough photosynthate to sustain the coral, if deficiency is large enough, zooxanthellae density will be reduced.

    This can happen in 3ways 1. zooxanthellae will simply die and be ejected from the coral.
    2 The coral can digest the zooxanthellae for its own energy needs (if it is a species that can digest plant material, specifically cell wall components);
    or 3 The coral can release some of the zooxanthellae from its tissues back into the water.

    Cynarina lacrymalis can be severely bleached and yet to all this coral needs to do is eat to survive. Skeletons are visible through tissue, not necessarily dead, te coral is starving after expelling zooxanthellae. Nutrient imbalance is more often than not the cause of this, GBR upwelling\flow is affected during El Nino warming and so nutrient flow.

    Similarly, although for different reasons, chronic or acute excess of nutrients (nitrogen) can also cause bleaching. Since corals can absorb dissolved nutrients directly from seawater, they can benefit from energy obtained in this way. When dissolved nitrogen is absorbed into the tissue and cells, the zooxanthellae can also have access to the material. There may be an excess nutrient availability and the zooxanthellae are less nutrient limited by the coral, and use the nitrogen to grow and reproduce. The growth to higher densities of zooxanthallae is not necessarily good for the coral, and the growth can become unbalanced and unchecked. If this happens, bleaching may be required to maintain proper densities of algae in coral tissues.

    Zooxanthellae also have finite life spans, and at any time there are numbers of them that become senescent and are no longer useful to the polyp. These zooxanthellae are ejected, and this is also a form of bleaching.

    Adaptive and productive behavior involved in maintaining a balanced symbiosis is ignored in alarmism

    Then there are all of the other elements involved in bleaching, viruses parasites temp change runoff pollution sediment light spectrum changes (SPS really hate spectrum changes).

    This warming once size fits all nonsense is the pure pseudo science

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    Mark - Helsinki

    I remember when rising sea levels were meant to be a threat to corals, LMAO! Pure hogwash.

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    pat

    if Jamaica, with a population under 3 million, is having to face up to the problems posed by intermittent solar, imagine inflicting similar on the Continent of Africa!

    19 Feb: JamaicaGleaner: Ryon Jones: Solar disconnect – JPS and renewable energy providers at odds over impact on consumers
    As the debate intensifies over the possible rate increases which could face Jamaicans as more and more customers leave the Jamaica Public Service Company’s (JPS) grid, there are calls for a collaborative approach to the issue.
    Manager of the Grid Performance Department at the JPS, Lincoy Small, says the various stakeholders must engage in dialogue to find an approach to provide the cheapest source of electricity to Jamaicans…
    “JPS is not telling people that renewable is not the way to go, because JPS even operates renewable facilities, but the key thing is to get them (grid and RE) working together in tandem to come up with the best synergy of what is best for the customer and what is best for the country,” said Small.

    “So we are accepting solar power from the customers and as soon as something happens it drops off, and does so much quicker than the grid can even respond on some of those occasions, and as a result you have to be running expensive machines that are quicker to deal with those sun drop-offs or have to shed people’s light,” argued Small.
    “And if you run these expensive machines or shed people’s light it means the overall cost to run the grid is going to be absorbed by the customer; you are going to have to pay for a more expensive energy source.”…

    But Small countered that with solar and wind on average only available for 20 and 35 per cent of the day, respectively, and the cost of buying and replacing batteries being expensive, it might be cheaper for customers to get their power from the JPS grid when RE is not available.
    “It (solar) is a good thing to have, but it cannot be operated in isolation, and that is something a lot of people in the solar business not telling their customers,” said Small.
    “Because even if you get a panel or a wind turbine and you get the battery, you are going to need a grid to at least charge up that battery for the 80 per cent of the time you are without solar or the 65 per cent of the time you are without wind.
    “Plus, you will have to be replacing the battery every two to three years for full value, and batteries cost much more than solar panels.”…
    With Jamaica being a signatory to the Paris Climate Change Agreement, the utilisation of more RE forms part of the National Energy Policy which sees the country aiming to have 30 per cent RE penetration by 2030.
    The country is currently at approximately 10 per cent of the quota, with roughly 300 net billing customers (those who have solar systems which allows them to consume energy and sell surplus) and around 10 larger customers.
    http://jamaica-gleaner.com/article/news/20170219/solar-disconnect-jps-and-renewable-energy-providers-odds-over-impact-consumers

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      OrigonalSteve

      Living proof renewables cant work on a modern grid. I feel sorry for anyone whose country has been sabotaged by the paris agreement strait jacket.

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    pat

    drought is over, some say, but ABC can’t stop talking about it in this latest, bizarre piece from California (desperately trying to keep the CAGW narrative going):

    22 Feb: ABC: California’s wet weather has some believing the drought is over
    By EMILY SHAPIRO
    ABC News’ Morgan Korn, Jeff Costello, Lindsey Jacobson, Max Golembo and Melissa Griffin contributed to this report.
    The record precipitation now has some experts declaring the drought over…

    The U.S. Geological Survey said 2014 was the warmest year on record for California…
    According to Park Williams, a climate scientist and an assistant professor at Columbia University’s Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory, the drought was exacerbated by high temperatures.
    “These last five years in California were much warmer than you’d expect just based on the drought alone, and the reason is because the globe’s overall temperature has been warming,” he told ABC News…
    He added, “Global warming did not cause this drought but nevertheless had a measuring amplifying effect.”…

    Record rain this week
    More than 2 inches of rain were recorded at the San Francisco International Airport on Monday. Since October, San Francisco has seen 25.6 inches of rain — nearly 2 inches more than the city usually gets in an entire year…
    Is California’s drought over?
    The latest drought outlook from the National Weather Service Climate Prediction Center “shows drought in Southern California likely to resolve and drought in the Central Coast region of California as persistent but improving.”
    After this incredibly wet winter, Williams said, he considers the drought over; trees that survived the drought will likely begin recovering, and lakes are near capacity, he explained.
    Michael Dettinger, a U.S. Geological Survey hydrologist and a researcher at the University of California at San Diego’s Scripps Institution of Oceanography, agrees with Williams’ assessment.

    “I believe that the drought is over at this point,” he told ABC News. “If groundwater levels were lower than they should be because of the drought, then we wouldn’t need to say it’s over. But groundwater levels are down because of overpumping that’s been going on … for 50 to 70 years. To me, that’s not drought — that’s just a long-term imbalance of how we use water.”

    David Feldman, a UC Irvine professor of planning, policy and design, said he won’t know if the drought is over until May, when the state’s rainy season ends.
    “If I were regulator working for the state water board, I’d probably lean on the conservative side,” he said…
    Since 2012, the Golden State has endured not only record high temperatures but also record low levels of snowpack and precipitation, according to CaliforniaDrought.org, a project of the Pacific Institute, a nonprofit that researches solutions to freshwater issues, in Oakland…

    Drought can be noxious to the environment. Wildfires could become more prevalent, and as many as 18 fish species could become extinct if the current drought continues, the Public Policy Institute of California said…

    What the future holds
    (Gov) Brown has issued a series of executive orders to help the state cope with the drought, the most recent mandating “continued, long-term water savings as drought persists.” ???

    Nancy Vogel of the California Natural Resources Agency told ABC News that the governor will consider many factors when he revisits the emergency statewide drought declaration in coming weeks — including groundwater, snow pack and reservoir levels.
    This winter’s rain “doesn’t come all the time,” Dettinger said. “The worst thing we can do is forget about droughts just because it’s wet right now.”…
    Feldman said it’s important to prepare for a drought before one is declared…ETC
    http://abcnews.go.com/US/californias-wet-weather-believing-drought/story?id=45628808

    21 Feb: AP: Downstream communities brace for flooding as dams overflow
    Communities downstream from a Northern California reservoir gushing water for the first time in 20 years braced for flash floods and evacuations after authorities warned them to prepare for rising rivers and creeks…
    Farther south, the Anderson Dam in Santa Clara County reached capacity over the weekend and after heavy rain it began overflowing into the Coyote Creek…
    Firefighters knocked on doors to tell residents to get out of their homes because the city does not have sirens or another emergency warning system, San Jose spokesman David Vossbrink said.
    The rains were the latest produced by a series of storms generated by so-called atmospheric rivers that dump massive quantities of Pacific Ocean water on California after carrying it aloft from as far away as Hawaii…
    The water level rose at Lake Oroville for the first time since authorities ordered an emergency evacuation of 188,000 people more than a week ago after a damaged spillway caused major flooding concerns…
    http://bigstory.ap.org/article/34c205cd6ebf47c2929932622bf2c7c8/downstream-communities-brace-flooding-dams-overflow

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      Mark - Helsinki

      ABC done seem to get that there is no such things as a drought pause, drought conditions do not exist in California so technically (best kind) the drought ended.

      Ah sure Bill Nye is now claiming the floods are “climate change” even though they have been happening since records began. 1861 dwarfing 1930s 1990s 2010s There is no trend either, 1861 was far worse than any that have followed to date. 45 days CA was flooded and south CA was awash.

      CA has dams for a reason, to catch the less regular precipitation. Seems they have not learned a bloody thing because the climatariat has revised history to make CA folk forget CA sees massive floods periodically.

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    Kevin Anderson

    Coca-Cola to close South Australia factory with loss of nearly 200 jobs
    Coca Cola boss Alison Watkins said it had reviewed its supply chain to maintain “competitiveness in the market” and decided it was not viable to update the Thebarton factory.

    But the defence minister, Christopher Pyne, said on Wednesday the company was leaving his home state because of high business costs and concerns about the reliability of the power supply.

    “We can’t keep going on as a high-tax, highly expensive place to do business with the highest electricity prices in the country and the most unreliable electricity supply in the country and this is where the rubber starts to hit the road for businesses,” Pyne told FiveAA radio.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/feb/22/coca-cola-to-close-south-australia-factory-with-loss-of-nearly-200-jobs

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      Mark - Helsinki

      Yep, energy costs.

      Here is a laugh.
      NCAR in the US have set up their new 8MW supercomputer in Wyoming because Wyoming has cheaper coal generated electricity.

      Given NCAR is the home of much climatariat nonsense and Colorado is such a green state, makes you laugh, energy is 1\4 cheaper in Wyoming

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    Robert Rosicka

    Their ABC is running a story on coral bleaching , and a whack job has run simulations in a computer to show bleaching is going to be common in 20 years if we don’t cut our emissions .

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      Mark - Helsinki

      Climate scientists know nothing about Coral reefs. What is scary is it seems many marine biologists also know little about Coral reefs because if they did they would know corals are not affected by climate, they are affected by weather.

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      Mark - Helsinki

      30 year trends have no effect on corals whatsoever. What is happening to their environment at any given moment has an impact.

      ABC I have to say is one of if not the worse climate propaganda channel in the world

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