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Trump has broken the mainstream media — a president so powerful he tells them off to their faces

Media Bias, voting behaviour of journalists.A week ago, the grip of the old-school media elite was busted, but few seemed to have noticed this remarkable shift.

The top dogs in the media came to him expecting to discuss their access to him, instead he blasted them as deceitful, dishonest liars who should be ashamed.

Over the last forty years the mainstream media have degenerated into naked, unashamed political advocacy, yet conservative leaders still felt they had to pander for fear that they would get an even worse treatment if they called it for what it was. Not Donald Trump. Has there ever been a more powerful US president? They called him every name under the sun, and he took the insults and used them to win.

What other US president didn’t need to pander or even be polite to media royalty? Only a billionaire who got elected despite the old media could afford to blow them away. For the first time in US history, the top gatekeepers of the national discussion were named and shamed…  The Kings and Queens of the media finally overplayed their hand to the point where the people elected someone so powerful, so rich, and so independent that he has no fear at all of them. This is the extraordinary promise of the Trump election. Is he the first president that is seemingly owned by no one –  not donors, or a party machine, not industry, and not newspaper editors.

What other US president didn’t need to pander or even be polite to media royalty?

Trump doesn’t need them. Don’t underestimate what a big shift in media power this is.

Donald Trump’s media summit was a ‘f−−−ing firing squad’

[NY Post, Nov 21, 2016]

“The meeting was a total disaster. The TV execs and anchors went in there thinking they would be discussing the access they would get to the Trump administration, but instead they got a Trump-style dressing-down,” the source added.

US Flag, Flying.The media broke their contract with their readers, feeding them one-sided fawning advertising for Clinton dressed as “news”. In return the people elected Trump, possibly one of the very few who could break the degenerate system.

“Trump kept saying, ‘We’re in a room of liars, the deceitful, dishonest media who got it all wrong.’ He addressed everyone in the room, calling the media dishonest, deceitful liars. He called out Jeff Zucker by name and said everyone at CNN was a liar, and CNN was [a] network of liars,” the source said.

“Trump didn’t say [NBC reporter] Katy Tur by name, but talked about an NBC female correspondent who got it wrong, then he referred to a horrible network correspondent who cried when Hillary lost who hosted a debate — which was Martha Raddatz, who was also in the room.”

 The royalty gets what’s coming:

It had all the trappings of a high-level rapprochement: President-elect Donald J. Trump, now the nation’s press critic in chief, inviting the leading anchors and executives of television news to join him on Monday for a private meeting of minds.

On-air stars like Lester Holt, Charlie Rose, George Stephanopoulos and Wolf Blitzer headed to Trump Tower for the off-the-record gathering, typically the kind of event where journalists and politicians clear the air after a hard-fought campaign.

– NYpost

After blasting them, he managed the next day to offer them hope that if they improved he would change his mind:

“To me,” Mr. Trump said at one point, “it would be a great achievement if I could come back here in a year or two, and have a lot of folks here say, ‘You’ve done a great job.’” — New York Times

The NY Times was the main target, along with CNN. The next day the Times sold it as “a less defiant Trump”, and called him “chameleon-like” but he was not backing down from his criticisms, nor apologizing. He was acting like a coach who yelled at the team, but then offered them a chance to redeem themselves:

“I think I’ve been treated very rough,” Mr. Trump said, as he spent the first several minutes of the session criticizing The Times’s coverage. “I’ve been treated extremely unfairly, in a sense, in a true sense.”

“I will say The Times is about the roughest of all,” Mr. Trump said. Then, referring to his relationship with the paper, he added: “I would like to turn it around. I think it would make the job I am doing much easier.”

h/t Jim S

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282 comments to Trump has broken the mainstream media — a president so powerful he tells them off to their faces

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    No safe places for the medja eh? No 18 C? )

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        Peter C

        You have become a JoNova junky beth.

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        Yonniestone

        ‘We are vain and we are blind,
        I hate people when they’re not polite’

        :)

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          Manfred

          The glaring fact that the NYT et al actually turned up to a meeting with Trump expecting a forward moving smootch-fest shows the intellectually incompetent, morally impoverished completeness of their self-delusion. They’ll need far more than a good spanking, and it looks like they’re getting it … finally.

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            OriginalSteve

            All I can say is “Beeeeeuuuuuyoootiful to watch…”

            Now if only the left were taken to task here and ripped a few times…..a few of the journos would have been deservedly sitting on donut cushions for weeks…hee hee

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      ЯΞ√ΩLUT↑☼N

      I think they’ll all need sookie-rooms with safe “healing” spaces, Play-Doh, comfy critters and counselling. Maybe next time they’ll play nice, if they learn – and if they survive.

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        Oliver K. Manuel

        Trump may be like another deeply flawed historical character (Saul) before becoming the Christian Paul that wrote most of the New Testament.

        Trump appeared to be an arrogant, selfish billionaire and TV star before becoming the defender of national sovereignty against globalist and guilt-ridden scientists that united nations and national academies of sciences worldwide on 24 OCT 1945 to save the world from nuclear annihilation by hiding Einstein’s 1905 discovery that atomic rest mass (m) is energy (E): E = mc^2.

        https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10640850/THANKSGIVING.pdf

        A sloping baseline was used hide energy generated by neutron repulsion (See dashed line across the top of Figure 1), the source of energy in atomic bombs, in cores of heavy elements like uranium, ordinary stars like the Sun, galaxies and the expanding universe.

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          Oliver K. Manuel

          Opponents of President-elect Trump now include:
          1. Leaders of the UN
          2. Leaders of the EU
          3. Leaders of the MF
          4. Leaders of both political parties
          5. Leaders of major religious groups
          6. The most powerful globalists, like
          Soros, Kissinger, Rockefeller and the Bilderburg Group

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            tom0mason

            He MUST be doing something RIGHT to accumulate such a crowd!

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              Oliver K. Manuel

              Yes, Trump recognized the inalienable rights of citizens to enjoy life, liberty and pursuit of happiness; and to establish and/or abolish governments in order to protect those God-given rights.

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            Oliver K. Manuel

            Trump’s opponents include all those who thought themselves successful rulers of society – limited to information received from globalist MSM and 97% consensus scientific opinions.

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            Oliver K. Manuel

            I agree. It is time to end the Fed, but I do not know if Trump has the political power to do that, too.

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              OriginalSteve

              Kennedy tried to end the Fed, and got a bullet for his trouble….

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                Oliver K. Manuel

                Kennedy’s death was followed in 1971 by an agreement that Henry Kissinger negotiated secretly with China and the USSR to:

                * End the USA’s Apollo Space Program in exchange for
                * China’s and the USSR’s signature on a worldwide peace treaty

                Now the USA relies on Russian rockets to travel to the International Spacd Stafion.

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                Oliver K. Manuel

                That is the reality Trump will face when he becomes the next President.

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                Will Janoschka

                Oliver K. Manuel November 30, 2016 at 1:39 am

                “That is the reality Trump will face when he becomes the next President.”
                I doubt that he, the ‘Donald’ gives a shit. IF assassinated, he becomes a martyr with no effort, whatsoever. Donald seems to have all bases covered! Not even the Witch nor Russia, China would benefit from offing him!

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      The utter MSM bias, that only those employed by the MSM and their crusty old supporters will deny, has been finally called to question and everything laid bare. For the last several decades the MSM has been populated by decrepit old fools, with way too high a self-esteem, while the gaps have been increasingly filled by what appear to be uneducated sprogs that have no self-awareness or independence of thought. Most can’t string together a grammatically correct sentence, let alone a coherent argument.

      I just hope that the onslaught against the MSM continues and that everyone stops subscribing to their print and online ‘services’. Let them rot and die on the vine. Reputable services will arise once their carcasses have turned to dust and blown away. The internet has enabled part of that to happen, I just wish there was a way for that to happen with television.

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      Albert

      The gravy train has stalled

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      There is a petition regarding modifying 18C to remove “insult” and “offend”. It’s been tabled but they want to raise the numbers from 15,000 as Labor (I understand) wants to raise 20,000 to oppose the change.

      Anyone who wants to sign it, the link is here:

      http://www.corybernardi.com/18c_petition?recruiter_id=90446

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    Robert Rosicka

    The msm was already broke , good one Donald give em what they deserve .

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      Mike

      Maybe the public deserve to know how many votes were fake or illegal etc…Maybe taking a sample of say 10,000 random votes from very state using raw voting data before it is destroyed, like a fact checking exercise to verify that there were no illegal or fake votes. If trump could announce an exerciser like that while Jill S does her recount there might be a further better use to having access to the raw voting data while it still exists for verification purposes.

      Maybe Trump could fund a market research company as they are good at working with sample data and verifying it etc..

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        Mike

        Jill and Donald could team up and work together. Imagine that. Fact checking and a recount at the same time… the mind boggles….

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          Analitik

          It looks more like Jill is working for Hillary to try and destabilise The Donald before he even takes office

          http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-27/democrats-real-strategy-launching-recounts

          I hope he kicks their collective a$$e$

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          Vlad the Impaler

          Actually, if I were “The Donald”, I’d trumpet (no pun intended) the recount, and join in. I would first obtain some stipulations from various individuals:

          From Gary Johnson and the Election Officials of the affected States, the stipulation that Johnson votes will be counted as DJT votes (they were, after all, against Hitllery and Jill Stein anyway);

          From Evan McMullin and the Election Officials of the affected States, the stipulations that McMullin votes will be counted as DJT votes (same reason);

          Upon securing said stipulations and agreements, the Electoral College map changes as follows:

          *Colorado (9 E.C. votes) goes to Trump with 50.4% of the votes cast;
          *Maine (which went one vote to Trump and three to Clinton) goes 3 E.C. votes to Trump (50.3%) and 1 E.C. vote to Clinton;

          *Michigan (still uncalled, but DJT leading and expected to get the 16 E.C. votes); with Johnson and McMullin votes, DJT gets 51.2% of the vote;

          *Minnesota (10 E.C. votes) goes to Trump with 50.1% of the votes cast;
          *Nevada (6 E.C. votes) goes to Trump with 48.8% of the votes cast (note that 2.2% of the votes cast were for “None of the Above” … … … … yes, Nevada REALLY does have N.O.T.A. on the ballot!)
          *New Hampshire (4 E.C. votes) goes to Trump with 51.4 % of the votes cast;
          *New Mexico (5 E.C. votes) goes to Trump with 50.0% of the votes cast.

          This makes the Electoral College as 326 for Trump, leaving Michigan out of it.

          Of course, none of this will happen, it is more “wishful thinking” than idle speculation. I’ll admit to having a measure of skepticism about President-Elect Trump, but thus far, if he does, or can do, just part of what he indicates he wants to do, then Johnson and McMullin owe it to their supporters to stand behind him 100%, and, as we all know, actions speak louder than words.

          Hitllery! Jill! You ‘game on’ for a recount under these stipulations? No? Why not? Is there something about that imbalance of 5,000+ ‘red’ counties, and 300 ‘blue’ counties that doesn’t fit your paradigm?

          May y’all Down Under find your DJT, and soon!

          Regards,

          Vlad

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        clive

        Final vote count–Final #Election2016 numbers

        #Popular Vote: #Trump: 62,972,226 #Clinton: 62,277,750

        #Electoral College vote #Trump 306 #Clinton 232
        Even though the democRATS were dishonest,she still didn’t get the popular vote.

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    Fox from Melbourne

    Put the steel caps on Trump and give the MSM the boot up the behind they deserve.

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    BJ

    The media will not lie down, they will double down. The new strategy will be to misquote, misrepresent and, if necessary, tell outright lies to undermine and destroy the Trump Presidency with low information voters. More people are awake to it, but it will a relentless campaign of dishonesty that aims to wear people down.

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      PeterS

      If they do not change they will keep losing more and more readers who will go to the real news coming from the alternative sources on the Internet. The we can celebrate the demise of the mainstream media as we know it. If they want to survive they better change dramatically.

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        Graham Richards

        Most importantly when they lose readership numbers they will lose ADVERTISING RENENUE.
        That’s their life blood. We need people to boycott products advertised by these lying, biased mongrels. That’ll kill them off quick smart unless they return to the real function of journalism.

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          Exactly Graham.
          Trump wakes Ad agencies: not everyone wants to be a politically correct coastal city yuppie.

          That may be what Ad Agencies are discovering right now. That it’s not worth paying for those NY Times ads.

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            clive

            That is what happened with the NFL and that “Moron”who refused to stand for the anthem,plus Target and their same sex bathrooms policy.The NFL have lost millions of former viewers and therefore revenue and Targets share price has dropped 18%.

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              Graham Richards

              All it needs is a bit of will power on the part of the public. Give up a few branded products for 3 months & see the advertisers reduce their ad campaigns

              I practise another boycott. Any product with HALAL certification will never make it into my shopping trolley. There are non HALAL alternatives!

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                Rereke Whakaaro

                Now that is a nice twist, that appeals to my sense of humour: “Oh no, I cannot be eating of the Halal food, for it contrary to my belief system”.

                The trouble is, that I, and only me, will be accused of being the racist or bigot in such an exchange of views.

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                Sceptical Sam

                And what’s not to like about that, Rereke?

                Since when did you care what the green left PC comrades thought about you?

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              That is what happened with the NFL and that “[snip]”who refused to stand for the anthem

              In the spirit of karma, this guy, Colin Kaepernick, the QB for the San Francisco 49ers is leading the team to a, umm, really really good year. They are one and ten, and in fact, have just set a new franchise record with ten straight losses.

              The fans have left the club in droves.

              Reality has this tendency to come back and bite you on the fundament.

              Tony.

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            Ted O'Brien.

            Yes, and…

            Trump can set up or hire his own media which sticks to the facts, and

            Trump (and any government, I don’t know why it hasn’t been done already) can set up its own modernised publicity service which makes it unnecessary for government to fund the MSM with advertising.

            The writing is surely on the wall.

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              OriginalSteve

              Surely there would be plenty of MSM who would have lucrative contacts with the govt to place govt related ads?

              Well possibly not any more…..

              Nice MSM dogie…roll over…..

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          tom0mason

          Time to sack all the ‘focus groups’ and political ‘advisors’?

          Maybe news agencies will find that real unbiased, gumshoe investigative reporting pays-off when the circulation/viewing figures come in.

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          BJ

          I no longer accept this theory, at the least as it applies to the media. Look at Fairfax as an example; they are obviously prepared to send the company to the wall before changing their editorial approach, and even if an attempt was mode to do so, the journalists themselves go into an ethical huff of convenience about their independence and ethics (laughable as that is). I am really not sure that the NYT will behave any differently, and I am certain that CNN won’t.

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      el gordo

      I think they will lie down, all we are asking for is ‘balance’.

      Imagine the MSM in the US discussing the imminent sharp drop in temperature, saying its cyclic and has nothing to do with CO2. This refreshing approach to news must inevitably spread to Australia and slowly the masses will be debriefed.

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        James Murphy

        I expect ‘balance’ (or a very good attempt at it) from government funded broadcasters, but I don’t really expect ‘balance’ from other organisations.

        I have no problem with media outlets being biased one way or the other (and really, can anyone name one which isn’t?), but I do have a problem with all of them having the same bias.

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          el gordo

          News should be balanced in all media outlets, otherwise its op-ed.

          When the US pulls out of the Paris deal our ABC will have to report it, which is all we ask. For an awful long time auntie only mentioned global warming, now they will have to discuss the fact that the most powerful nation on earth doesn’t believe its happening.

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        Raven

        I think they will lie down, all we are asking for is ‘balance’.

        Sorry, I reckon that’s altogether too trusting.
        I’d think they’ll more likely go through the motions of soul searching without any real understanding, put the whole thing behind them and carry on as if it were just another talking point in the larger media cycle.

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          el gordo

          The longer they wait to recant the worse its going to be for them.

          While the New York Times and The Age may decide to go down with all hands, the Australian has been fairly balanced and should emerge with flying colors.

          The ABC and SBS need to be taken outside and given a good slap, then hopefully they will sack the Trots and we can all get on with our lives.

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        OriginalSteve

        When communists speak of “peace” for dissenters, what they mean is the peace of the grave….

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      ianl8888

      The media will not lie down, they will double down. The new strategy will be to misquote, misrepresent and, if necessary, tell outright lies to undermine and destroy the Trump Presidency with low information voters

      That’s already happening … I agree that they won’t stop.

      The MSM have lost power. Getting it back is all that concerns them, in any way that works. Utterly shameless.

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        Bulldust

        The MSM and traditional media in general are going down the gurgler. Online video-blogs is where it is at. You can find people shouting on Youtube making more sense than the MSM (Andy Warski was recently brought to my attention). The left overplayed their hand and now they are paying for it. The smart ones will pull out, but I bet many like SMHuffpo will not.

        It didn’t need to be like this. People will quite happily read thoughtful articles proposing sensible arguments, but the MSM has gone down the tabloid click bait route instead. Their loss.

        The Australian’s biggest problem is trying to patwall all their online material (which can still be Google-search bypassed anyway). News is out there for free. If you want people to read what you have you don’t try to keep them out. Someone else is doing it for free.

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      PeterPetrum

      You mean the “Abbott Formula”?

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      Rereke Whakaaro

      star comment I have to agree with PeterS.

      In naval parlance, Trump has raised his battle standard, indicating that he is prepared to fight, should it become necessary. In doing so, he has placed the responsibility for what happens next firmly with the traditional media. He does not need to talk to them. Neither does his staff, nor the wider Administration. There is nothing in law, that I know of, that give the press any privilege, by right.

      Trump can use the internet to distribute news to those who have access to it, which by some estimates is about 70% of the population.

      In such an environment, traditional media will have to toe his line in the sand, or risk becoming a lot less relevant than they are today.

      Like him or hate him, you have to acknowledge that he certainly has the cojones for the job.

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        Peter C

        Interesting point Rereke!

        Trump has twitter and a White House web site. Maybe he can do away with press conferences all together.

        News can go out on the website and anyone can choose to either read it at the source or read the Media interpretation or both.

        I would likely read about it on the MSM first then check at the source.

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          Rereke Whakaaro

          I would likely read about it on the MSM first then check at the source.

          As would I. The most interesting questions are, “What topics are the media not reporting on?”, and, “Why?.

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            Robert Rosicka

            Good point , it’s got to the stage where you can’t believe anything the msm dish up these days , not to mention the weather forecasters that say things like hottest or driest evah .

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              Bulldust

              And when the trust is gone … there are too many easy online alternatives. Traditional media is dying. Slower than video rental stores perhaps, but just as certainly.

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            tom0mason

            MSM has been too busy flogging the Sorosian dead mule.

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            doubtingdave

            ” what topics are the media not reporting on ” Rereke , I have yet to see any articles in the MSM referring to Trumps announcement that he will refuse his Presidents salary , only accepting a one dollar token gesture .

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              doubtingdave

              The reason Trump made that announcement was because he wants to demonstrate that he will be a president that will serve the people , not rule over them like Obama did via executive order or miss use his office to enrich himself like a certain secretery of state did , no wonder the MSM don’t want . to talk about it .

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              Rereke Whakaaro

              That is a very good question. You have quite correctly caught me using a sleight of verbosity.

              I am assuming that there will be topics that the media would prefer not to report on, and some stories that they will adamantly refuse to talk about.

              The interests of their own shareholders being one example that comes directly to mind. Other examples may include their advertisers, named contacts in Government and Industry, etc.

              We tend to recognise and accept that commercial deals are often conducted on the basis of, “you pat my back, and I will pat yours”. That is the nature of business.

              In politics, when the same thing happens, we call it corruption, and bray for peoples heads to roll. I don’t make the rules – I am just an observer.

              But if Trump can use his own resources to support his tenure as President, and thereby reduce his liabilities to the IRS, then good on him.

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            Greebo

            Well, a little closer to (my) home, try and find a reference to Calum Thwaites suing Butler on their ABC or FauxFacts.

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        Raven

        Trump can use the internet to distribute news to those who have access to it [..]

        There’s an app for that.

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        OriginalSteve

        I suspect one of the last things the MSM will hear is the gun hatches slamming opening, as Trump maneuvres upwind, before delivering the MSM a well deserved all-guns broadside…….

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      Leigh

      BJ, once the inauguration is complete on January 20th. It would be a very brave media organization that prints or transmits any misinformation about Trump, his administration or family. That is not fair an reasonable criticism of his presidency.
      Do you really think the individual and or organization would survive a presidential press conference flogging by Trump?
      Like it or not (and I do) the platform he’s been given a mandate to stand on, is pretty damned powerful.
      As they say, sit down, strap yourself in and enjoy the ride. I know I’m going to.

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        stan stendera

        I already have enjoyed the ride.

        Late in the Republican primaries I abandoned Ted Cruz. Then I had a dream. I dreamed a billionaire Robin Hood would really leave his financial empire to attempt to help (save?) his Country I joined the Trump train.

        I was told by the lying media he was a racist, hated women, was ignorant and insulting. But I had a dream and I persevered.

        I was told repeatedly Trump was temperamentally unfit to be President, but I looked at his wonderful family and thought of how he was temperamentally fit to make a huge fortune and my dream became more vivid.

        I absorbed the mud slinging lying Clinton campaign and dreamed peacefully on.

        I was told he had no money, no ground game, and no effective policies. My dream lived on as I made my small initial contribution.

        I was told by the polls he had no chance and Hillary would win in a landslide. Hillary winning is not a dream but a nightmare. I refused to enter that nightmare and clung to my dream.

        Finally the election came and early on I realized he was going to win the vital state of Florida. I dreamed “Hey, he’s got a shot.” Yes, dreaming or not I was worried. Then the States began to fall, Ohio, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania. Finally to the magic words from Brett Baird on Fox news: “Donald J Trump will be the forty fifth President of the United States.”

        I may still be dreaming, but please, please don’t wake me.

        With apologies to Martin Luther King, Jr.

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      This is beyond commercial issues now. Fairfax has been loosing readership for at least 10 years now and yet their tone is more shrilled than ever. This is driven by the ideology and the new generation that, never has been unemployed, in financial strife or never knew the meaning of food shortage. The freedom was given to them on the plate and being a generation of entitlement, they take it and abuse it without the thought of consequence.
      The consequence is the twilight of western civilisation. What you have never fought for, you can never truly appreciate. What is happening is the inevitable moral collapse that may be stopped by some future harsh economic reality. Like with the global warming crap, they all want to feel morally superior, but at no expense. Only when we start having black outs which will interrupt their internet coverage and daily dose of por…graphy they will start taking notice. But by then, we maybe in the hunger games reality.
      Have I seen such hate before? Yeah, under communism in my younger years.

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    TdeF

    Our effete PM in Australia is so insecure that he takes instruction from the unelected, irresponsible and politicially very left ABC/SBS monolith, the government funded and unaccountable media. Malcolm Turnbull is terrified he might offend their ABC. As former Managing Director Mark Scott said, we are not North Korea and do not need a government media.

    Fire the lot of them, starting with lawyer Spiegleman. Guthrie next, the new chief on a million dollar salary who also thinks as Shorten says, Trump is “Barking Mad” and their enemy. It is time these smug 1,000 public self service ‘journalists’ justified their employment or found their own jobs without taxing every family in Australia to pay for their existence. If we are going to get rubbish news, opinions instead of facts and Climate Scientology, we can choose not to be lectured at our own expense.

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      ЯΞ√ΩLUT↑☼N

      Canberra Journo’s voted word’s worst.

      Amid all the recent Trump election cacophony, Canadian Professor Tim Ball and Real Science website blogger Tony Heller (aka Steven Goddard) arrived for their first visit to Australia to participate in a number of events and talks on that man-made Global Warming thing. Their first event, on Monday 7th November, which can be viewed here, was held at Parliament House with PHON Senator Malcolm Roberts. After introducing his guests and highlighting the main issues and talking points, Senator Roberts invited questions from the media pack.

      Not one single question was asked about the topic that Senator Roberts had spent 20 minutes talking about. Not one. I doubt any of the presstitutes present had even read the 42-page response to the CSIRO that highlighted the dubious, manipulated data the BoM use and the fact that the CSIRO have no empirical evidence of human-caused warming at all. Instead, our painfully inept and inadequate Canberra journos had turned up with a bunch of ‘gotcha’ questions on the topic of Senator Rod Culleton, the fact that somewhere a glacier is melting (handy hint, Junior Journo: If glaciers didn’t melt, they wouldn’t be glaciers), an embarrassingly failed attempt to insinuate the visit was funded by Big Coal, and that Senator Roberts once said the word “Rothschild”.

      More here: http://www.xyz.net.au/australian-media-number-one

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        TdeF

        That’s not reporting. It is a bunch of self important people who think their personal and group opinions are more important than reporting what was actually said. They only turned up to ridicule and heckle, on public service salaries for reporting. In this modern world, even the hecklers are paid by Soros or their ABC.

        Perhaps they could read the definition of a reporter? “a person who reports, especially one employed to report news or conduct interviews for the press or broadcasting media”. Then they could get a real job.

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        Peter C

        Actually there was one question asked about Glaciers, which was partly on topic.

        It was very well answered by Tim Ball and Tony Heller!

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        And not to be outdone, follow these two Links below to presentations by both Prof Tim Ball & Tony Heller (aka Steve Goddard) in Sydney at the Climate Realists of Five Dock, Sydney – Australia on 10th Nov 2016:

        Tony Heller: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcEgV5TBTuU

        Tim Ball: https://youtu.be/qOEFQDcT_lM

        Cheers’nBeers, Jim S

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          KinkyKeith

          Andy and I were there along with Cohenite aka Anthony.

          One of the main things that I picked up was the strength of belief of both speakers in the deliberate manipulation of temperature data by many people and organizations.

          This fact alone confirms the desperation of those wanting to show and confirm human origin global warming.

          There is no theoretical basis for their claims and if they need the “adjusted” data that bad it confirms the depth and ugliness of the lie.

          KK

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          AndyG55

          Hi Jim, Was nice to meet y’all ! :-)

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      KinkyKeith

      Well said.

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      KinkyKeith

      Well said.

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    There was an Oz ‘investigative ‘ reporter
    in the late 1970′s who said of his job,
    “Never get too fond of the animals in
    the zoo.”
    … Hmmm, better not post ‘The carnival
    of the animals.’

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    Yonniestone

    I think the MSM believed they were the ones elected or at least have some sort of entitlement to how the narrative is presented to the country, well guess what kids that guy you slandered and did your darndest to sabotage has played you like the smug twerps you are, lift your game or there’s plenty of other people with new ways to present the news out there ready to take over of whats left of your tainted club.

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    Animals in zoo statement -Alan Reid of the
    Loans Affair.Later it became known he’d been
    a Labor voter all his life but that didn’t
    stop him from ‘investigating’ what actually
    happened.

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    PeterS

    Excellent! We need exactly the same dressing down to be done at the ABC here. In many respects the ABC here is far worse yet Turnbull treats them as though they are friends. I suppose that’s because he is a lefty anyway. Time for a new conservative party.

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    nc

    Here in Canada our dear leader, Trudeau, publicaly embarrassed himself and Canada with his accolades for a murderous dictator Castro and hardly any coverage by our media. CBC, CTV, Global the main tv news outlets rundown Trump every news report but kissed Hillary’s *** and nightly Trudeaus. Thankful for on line sources as I have quit tv news. Gave up newspapers years ago.
    [Editorial discretion applied - some "nautical" terms will put you into moderation] Fly

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    AndreWA

    Well done Donald Trump.
    Charlatans always hate being exposed!
    And now for the Aussie MSM and Their ABC.
    And let’s not forget the UN.

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    Egor TheOne

    Go ‘the Donald’!

    Where is our ‘Donald’?
    Someone that will give the Leftoid Presstitutes a well deserved ‘Gangster Slappin’!

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    Jo and denizens, jest finished listening to
    this at the chiefio. No joke., this woman is
    wise re funny money ‘n real productivity ‘n
    Trump back-lash and medja corruption Quotes
    Winston Churchill, ‘We haven’t come through all
    those centuries because we’re made of cotton
    candy.’ I will post her where-ever I can and
    read more. I gather she ain’t fond of Hillary.

    bts

    https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2016/11/08/tips-november-2016/#comment-75739

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    pat

    a case in point.
    in their own words:

    About the New York Review of Books: With a worldwide circulation of over 135,000, The New York Review of Books has established itself, in Esquire‘s words, as “the premier literary-intellectual magazine in the English language.”…
    The New York Times further described the Review as “one of the most influential and admired journals of its kind, attracting a high-powered roster of writers” and The Chicago Tribune said the Review is “one of the few venues in American life that takes ideas seriously. And it pays readers the ultimate compliment of assuming that we do too.”…

    Example!

    URL is “Down Goes Trump Toward Humiliating Defeat”

    25 Oct: New York Review of Books: Elizabeth Drew: Down Goes Trump
    Republicans are now in a panic. There are signs of an impending “wave” election that would take down not only Trump but many Republican candidates for Congress… But irrespective of whether this happens … it’s now increasingly likely the Democrats will take the Senate. If they pick up a net of four Senate seats that produces a tie that a Vice President Kaine would break, but if current trends continue they may well pick up more than that. A Democratic takeover of the heavily gerrymandered House has seemed less likely, since it requires a net pickup of thirty seats, but if a wave truly develops it isn’t out of the question…
    For ammunition to use in forthcoming battles Clinton is now trying to roll up as large a victory as she can. In an almost predatory manner she’s now going for such states as Arizona and Georgia, long considered out of bounds for Democrats. Even Texas, reliably red since 1976, is nearly tied. As for the “swing states,” most of them appear to be lining up in her column. Ohio, with its large blue-collar constituency, has for much of this year been considered out of her reach, but as of this writing, polling suggests that the race is tied.
    Clinton has dispatched her considerable force of surrogates, including, in addition to her husband, both the president and the first lady…
    And so this sad, rasping heap of a man, a former formidable figure, shambles his way toward a humiliating defeat; his blustering and threatening, once instruments of strength, pitiable.
    http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2016/10/25/down-goes-trump-toward-humiliating-defeat/

    a multitude of anti-Trump pieces can be found on their website, before & after the election.

    but this is their latest & greatest, written by David Kaiser, President of the Rockefeller Family Fund (who is a fifth-generation member of the Rockefeller family) and Lee Wasserman, Director of the Rockefeller Family Fund. like all their elite nonsense, it is novel-length, with part two to come:

    Dec 8 Issue: New York Review of Books: The Rockefeller Family Fund vs. Exxon
    David Kaiser and Lee Wasserman
    (Exhibit A) Merchants of Doubt: How a Handful of Scientists Obscured the Truth on Issues from Tobacco Smoke to Global Warming
    by Naomi Oreskes and Erik M. Conway
    Bloomsbury, 355 pp., $18.00 (paper)…
    ***This is the first of two articles.
    https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2016/12/08/the-rockefeller-family-fund-vs-exxon/

    below – Related articles:
    Climate: Will We Lose the Endgame? by Bill McKibben
    Fury Over Fracking by Tim Flannery

    talk about pretentious.

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    Peter C

    What other US president didn’t need to pander or even be polite to media royalty? Only a billionaire who got elected despite the old media could afford to blow them away. For the first time in US history, the top gatekeepers of the national discussion were named and shamed… The Kings and Queens of the media finally overplayed their hand to the point where the people elected someone so powerful, so rich, and so independent that he has no fear at all of them. This is the extraordinary promise of the Trump election. Is he the first president that is seemingly owned by no one – not donors, or a party machine, not industry, and not newspaper editors.

    Trump doesn’t need them. Don’t underestimate what a big shift in media power this is.

    A very interesting and important point Jo. I will admit that I read about the Trump/Media press conference and I did not think of this angle.

    The Media is squirming and resentful, probably angry. I have already seen a lot of self justification.

    James Delingpole is over the moon:” I really don’t think it’s possible to exaggerate just what a world of pain is coming to the greenies thanks to Donald J Trump.

    This will, of course, be spun in most of the mainstream
    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/11/14/trumps-war-green-blob-richer-happier-freer/

    I expect and hope that the world of pain includes the MSM as well.

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    Trump has got it right! Don’t pander to those media bullies who are clearly not your friends. He has to stand up to them and that is just what he is doing. This is the only way to gain the respect of the media, but more importantly, the respect of the American people.
    GeoffW

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    richard verney

    Because of its bias and lack of objective impartiality it is becoming an irrelevance.

    As new forms of media open up, less attention will be paid to MSM. I no longer get my news from MSM. As time goes by, more and more people will leave MSM behind.

    The world has been given hope; a great new opportunity has opened up. One should not underestimate the importantce of your observation:

    he the first president that is seemingly owned by no one – not donors, or a party machine, not industry, and not newspaper editors.

    We will have to wait and see whether he makes full use of this new found freedom and does something of significance with it, or whether he squanders it or gets ground down by Capitol Hill and/or the Washington Machine/self serving liberal elite.

    Now if only the EU could collapse over the course of the next cuple of years, we might see a return to democracy. Government by the people for the people rather than government by a select self serving elite for the benefit of the select self serving elite.

    If only someone had the guts here in the UK to take on the BBC, the most biased of self serving elitist mouthpieces, that would be a wonderful thing.

    Thanks Jo for your reporting of events in the run up to the US elections. You ran many good and interesting articles. You deserve a big pat on the back.

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      Annie

      A big pat on the back for Jo, and I hope as many people as possible give Jo some Christmas chocolates. I hope we can find a bit of spare to do that.

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    el gordo

    “Every incoming president has basic, generally agreed upon rules of the road,” said Joe Lockhart, who served as White House press secretary for President Bill Clinton.

    “The Trump team has decided they’ll blow up the road and build a new one. Where it goes from here will be a test of how far the new president and his team want to push things, and the strength and will of the press to push back.”

    The Hill

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    AndyG55

    Worth listening to

    https://youtu.be/IeYDHfp9P_g

    Worth reading and thinking about, especially by the brain-washed ones.

    https://solari.com/blog/

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    Chris

    I love this one. Straight to the point.
    Language warning !

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpLAzAZXi2A

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    Not sure that any change of heart by the New York Times will be lasting. And I doubt that there is any true former standard to which the Times can return. Its blatant promotion of Uncle Joe and denial of the Holodomor through Walter Duranty (long term!) must rate as the West’s journalistic atrocity of the century.

    Personally, I want old media dead. They were deceivers ever. Internet freedom and the ditching of 18C should now be the priorities. If a site like Twitter, Facebook or Reddit starts to behave like old media, switch over to alternatives immediately. I’m told Voat and Gab are presently grabbing market share due to censorship at more established sites. Good. And with so many flavours of Linux and indie browsers we can even make up our minds how we connect to media.

    The great thing about new media is that I don’t have to align myself to any position, and new media knows it. I become the picky customer rather than the obedient subscriber: it is too hard for anyone to grab the high ground long term. And there are even alternatives such as Sharyll Atkisson’s Full Measure which have the gloss and production values while maintaining independence.

    Above all, this is our chance – by enough of us not twiddling the dial – to ditch the ABC, that 800 pound gorilla pretending to be Bambi.

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      TdeF

      The NY Times is a complete mystery. One of the Sulzberger stable of Jewish owned newspapers, it has been anti semitic and extreme left beyond understanding. I was not aware of the denial of the Holomodor! Adolph would never have come to power without the national fright given by Stalin in the Holomodor and the gulags and camps and the perceived need for a strong German leader. To make the Holomodor vanish is to remove the foundation blocks of WW2.

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    Robert Rosicka

    I’m positive I saw a station piece/ ad on their ABC saying they had an 80 % trust rating among viewers .
    Wonder how many people this covered , 1 or two perhaps ?

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    Ruairi

    The M.S.M. went to Trump Tower,
    To display their political power,
    But were in for a shock,
    As they stood in the dock,
    To face dressing-down and to cower.

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    ROM

    .
    Not sure how many are aware of this Trump gambit that set the media right back in its box whilst Trump was on his flying, literally, visits to the so called by the coastal elites in their arrogant condescending fashion, the “Fly Over Country” where most of Hilary Clinton’s “Deplorables” lived and worked if there was work for them to do and the Chinese weren’t doing it instead of Americans.

    Trump used his aircraft for flying visits to cities and towns across America, visiting and making his electoral pitch at three or four and up to half a dozen towns and cities each day that had an airport which is most of them in the USA .

    One of his staff came up with a media fix that really foretold just what Trump thought of the media and how Trump was going to deal with the media who gave him Buckley’s chances of ever winning the Presidency, if he did win that Presidency
    After landing at a local airport, Trump’s aircraft was taxied and moved into a large hangar and the doors closed.
    That way access and the crowd could be easily controlled by the Protection Service and undesirables and potential threats to Trump kept outside and well away.

    Trump then delivered a speech and pressed the flesh for a half and hour or so before departing for the next stop on his itinerary.

    As anybody who has seen a media scrum knows, the media always positions itself right up at the front of proceedings as it arrogantly assumes is its right.

    Trump’s very successful gambit dreamt up by one of his staffers, was to corral the entire press and media, both local and national as well as the TV media right down at the back of the hangar and well at the back of the crowd.

    During his electoral stumping speech Trump would urge the crowd to face the media and give the media present the raspberry big time for the anti democratic bias and bigotry the media were promoting which the crowds in most cases did with great gusto along with boos and cat calls .

    One / some of the rather shaken media reporters have commented since that they were badly shaken by the whole event and had no idea on just how much the MSM were despised and viewed with almost total contempt and even hated by so many of the public.

    Trump on his flying visits which often covered four or more major towns and cities in a day gave roughly the same speech each stop on the various days but he used that highly successful media corralling and media put down system at every stop he made on his flying visit itinerary.

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      Analitik

      That is inspiring to hear how well planned and orchestrated the Trump visits to the states and cities of Dumbfu_kistan as the MSM and the US elitists would have it.

      http://www.smh.com.au/comment/we-should-all-be-scared-by-the-downright-stupidity-of-some-americans-20151221-glsycx.html

      We can only wish for a political candidate with the resources and commitment to carry off a campaign like that. Cory Bernardi had better start the break soon and have some serious discussions with One Nation.

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        Chris

        That clown who wrote the article would not have a clue.

        I do all my work in the USA in the “Fly Over Country”, and they are the greatest bunch of people you could ever wish to meet.

        It is the “Rust Belt”, where all the real work is, was done, and the farming communities has to be seen to be believed. Good, honest, hard working people, under enormous economic pressure.

        Also, I doubt Andrew Masterson, the author, has ever been to the USA, otherwise he would know that Augusta is not in Virginia, but on the border of South Carolina and Georgia, in fact, just in Georgia.

        I wonder how those experts, fools, feel now that Trump has won. Bear in mind, the article was written on the 15 December, 2015.

        I said here weeks ago, I could not see Trump loosing, after seeing the mood of the people in “Dumbf—istan”.

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          Monna Manhas

          Apparently there is an Augusta County in the Shenandoah Valley in Virginia – the second-largest county in the state, in fact. News to me.

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        Annie

        I read that Analitik. How very rude and patronising an article that is. Well, there’s egg on that ‘reporter’s’ face now, isn’t there?

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          Analitik

          Yes, I read that article at the time of publication (it was also in The Age, being the Melbourne Fairfax arm) and found it thoroughly offensive on so many levels that it stuck in my head and ROM’s post made me recall it as it displays the arrogance of the MSM, establishment Democrats (and possibly establishment Republicans) and the “intellectual” left.

          The owner of the Hepburn Springs cafe that displayed the Dumbfu_kistan nap is obviously one of these supreme intellects along with the author Andrew Masterton. They would still be crying in their soy lattes (having ridden their fixies to the cafe).

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        KinkyKeith

        That SMH article says it all.

        Condescension piled upon supercillious condescension and patronizing puffery.

        The writer obviously belongs to the club that exemplifies perfection in all pursuits.

        Amazing stuff.

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      ROM

      Backtracking to an earlier post here with a bit of evidence for my comment re the Trump team’s media control during his flying campaign visits across the American heartland in comment #24 above.

      In reference to my comments in post # 24 above and Trump’s election campaign strategy of putting the media way down at the back, a look at this article’s Nov 4th pic will clearly show what I was referring to.

      The media in the pic are clearly seen as being grouped and herded together way down at the back of the closed doors aircraft hangar behind the crowd on one of Trumps election campaign stops in Wilmington, Ohio.

      Ohio was a must win for Trump to get his electoral college numbers up as it had been firmly Democratic Party for a long time.

      Clinton on the other hand apparently was so arrogant that she thought and believed that Ohio was going to vote Democratic again so I think Ohio was one of the key states that she never bothered to visit in her campaign.

      The other advantage that Trump exploited by herding and corralling the media to the back of the crowd was that any live TV transmission of Trump’s campaign visit was going to show a large crowd between the cameras and Trump and surrounding Trump.
      A crowd that could not be edited out during a live to air TV transmission.

      All reinforcing Trump’s election probabilities in the mind of the “Deplorables” which we now know came home quite spectacularly.

      Trump’s ‘Thank You Tour’ Brings Him Through States That Won Him White House

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    el gordo

    The Age editorial whinges about a ‘post truth environment’, the irony burns.

    ‘But if few are listening, not even a stronger media can slow the dangerous drift towards a post-fact society. How much a society values the truth will be the decisive factor. If vast numbers of citizens live in a post-truth environment, the established media will have to consider ways to penetrate the falsehoods that are widely shared online.’

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      JLC of Perth

      That’s quite a quote. It almost sounds as though The Age is declaring a metaphorical war on opinions that are different from their own.

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        TdeF

        The Age long ago declared war on its own conservative readership. It has had the desired result of destroying the Age. What they think about the facts is irrelevant since they are all in denial, which is not a river in Africa.

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    aussiepete

    Trump should have a yarn to Joe Hockey about how he stuck it up the SMH (treasure for sale). I seem to recall the SMH defense was, in the main, that the media are privileged and of course they serve the public interest, i.e of course unless of you are Bill Leak.
    Don’t know much about the U.S situation but they seem to have a “public figures are fair game” thing and as well there is the first amendment.
    I guess where i’m going with this is that Trump should hire a bunch of defamation lawyers and keep suing the @rse off the MSM every time they make stuff up.

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    Neenee

    There is a new online news alternative to the MSM which is Breitbart covering the USA, and Europe from the UK.

    Breitbart was supportive of Brexit and Trump.

    We need Breitbart to establish an Australian edition, with contributors like joannenova, Malcolm Roberts, Pickering, Michael Smith and other independent voices.

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    Steve

    i invite Trump to have a word about that rag for pretentius simpletons, the Guardian.

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    pat

    BBC find another line of attack against Trump:

    28 Nov: Tim Blair Blog: IF YOU’RE ANTI-HILLARY YOU’RE ANTI-SCIENCE
    The US election was apparently a referendum on science, and science ladies aren’t happy with the result.
    They feel “personally threatened” (BBC LINK) for some reason:
    BBC: Almost 10,000 women working in science have signed an open letter pledging to combat discrimination and “anti-science sentiment” following the US election….
    Dr Kelly Ramirez from Colorado State University was one of its authors….
    COMMENT: JEM: Dr Ramirez: Postdoctoral Fellow,
    School of Global Environmental Sustainability…
    In other words, full of infinitely sustainable bovine excrement.
    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/blogs/tim-blair/if-youre-antihillary-youre-antiscience/news-story/48469c7541a99510bea8892ec4ec9604

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    pat

    we’re not so bad, says Frydenberg…

    28 Nov: Australian: Josh Frydenberg: Bill ‘two bob each way’ Shorten must come clean on green power
    Bill Shorten says “I’m not some rampant greenie who thinks there’s no place for fossil fuels in our energy mix”.
    But beware the one who protests too much. The truth is somewhat different.
    In a blatant attempt to win green votes in the city, the Opposition Leader has overseen his party’s lurch to the Left on climate change and energy policy.
    The result has been the loss of jobs, less investment and higher electricity prices. Energy security also risks being compromised from a greater reliance on intermittent sources of power, namely wind and solar, at the expense of baseload generation from coal and gas…
    While the Coalition is upfront about the cost of its RET representing a $55 or 3.7 per cent annual impost on the average household electricity bill (according to the Australian Energy Market Commission), Labor hid behind the excuse that it needed to consult more widely with industry before finalising its numbers.
    However, Bloomberg New Energy Finance has run the numbers and assessed the cost of Labor’s policy at $48 billion, which is the equivalent of $2000 for every Australian…READ ALL
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/bill-two-bob-each-way-shorten-must-come-clean-on-green-power/news-story/5d8dc800f39a1131566c0f27d766037b

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    tom0mason

    SO HAS THE REPORTING OF NEWS CHANGED MUCH?
    A quick scan through today’s online news reports –

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/28/us/donald-trump-coal-country.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&_r=0

    Trump’s Promises Will Be Hard to Keep, but Coal Country Has Faith

    So when scientists and Democrats like Al Gore warn that Mr. Trump will endanger the planet, people hear that as something off in the future; feeding your family is here and now. And while there may be “some connectivity” between humans and global warming, as Mr. Trump conceded in an interview with The New York Times, people here say Mother Nature will also have her way; many remember how Williamson was wiped out in the Great Flood of 1977, when the river overflowed, submerging downtown.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/28/us/politics/donald-trump-transition.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

    Trump Has Serious Decisions to Make (but First, a Twitter Rant)

    In a Twitter rant that grew more specific even as it left facts far behind, Mr. Trump first said his popular vote deficit — 2.24 million and climbing — would be reversed if not for three million votes by illegal immigrants, a charge that seemed to emerge from baseless partisan “fake news.”

    On Sunday night he went further, focusing his wrath on three states he lost.

    Serious voter fraud in Virginia, New Hampshire and California – so why isn’t the media reporting on this? Serious bias – big problem!
    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) Nov. 28, 2016

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    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/donald-trump-criticizes-jill-stein-led-recount-push-twitter-article-1.2888876?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+nydnrss%2Fnews%2Fnational+%28News%2FNational%29

    Trump slams Clinton campaign for going along with Jill Stein-led recount, insists illegal voters caused him to lose popular vote

    His latest diatribe alleged fraudsters cooked the votes in Virginia, New Hampshire and California — all states Clinton won.

    “In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally,” Trump claimed on his Twitter account toward the end of an hours-long tirade.

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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/11/28/trumps-populism-is-about-to-be-tested/

    There’s no incentive for Democrats to make Trump a successful president, just like there wasn’t for Republicans with Obama. Not to mention that while Democrats might agree with some of Trump’s goals — among them, child care and infrastructure — they don’t agree with the way he wants to use tax breaks that would mostly benefit the rich and well-connected to achieve them. Which is to say that Trump might not have the leverage he thinks he does with Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and Ryan.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    https://article.wn.com/view/2016/11/28/Trump_still_facing_concerns_about_white_supremacists_f/

    Trump still facing concerns about white supremacists

    ATLANTA (AP) — Donald Trump’s disavowal this past week of white supremacists who have cheered his election as president hasn’t quieted concerns about the movement’s impact on his White House or whether more acts of hate will be carried out

    “Those groups clearly see something and hear something that causes them to believe he is one who sympathizes with their voice and their view. … Donald Trump has to take responsibility for that,”

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-issues-stunning-claim-that-millions-voted-illegally-205918708.html?ref=gs

    Trump issues stunning, baseless claim that ‘millions’ voted illegally

    It’s remarkable and unprecedented for a victorious presidential candidate to claim widespread voter fraud. There is no evidence to indicate that there was a significant number of people, let alone millions, who voted illegally in the election on Nov. 8.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/washington-shout-down-voice-trump-voters-081557942.html?ref=gs

    Will Washington shout down the ‘voice’ of Trump voters?

    This piece just steams with vitriol, nasty innuendo, mis-quotes, and hatred.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Well has it?

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      The reporting may not have changed much (it is a religion) but the balance of power has shifted.

      You might say Bannon and Breitbart hold a coveted influence that the old media have lost.

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        tom0mason

        Agreed, maybe the likes of Bannon and Breitbart could become the main stream of real news,
        leave the current MSM swamp feeders in an ever shrinking stinkhole.

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          el gordo

          Its all about credibility and accessibility, in a very real sense on this new platform it maybe possible to create news before it happens.

          The editor who consistently and correctly picks the winds of change deserves applause, Jo got Brexit and Trump, and with the demise of AGW we have a trifecta.

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          Raven

          I’m not sure it’s all that simple.

          If we consider that roughly 50% of the population is left leaning, then they won’t desert the likes of the Clinton News Network (CNN).
          They see CNN as delivering the truth. Conservative folk won’t have been part of their audience anyway.

          The only way the left biased media would fail is if their audience (progressives) see them as somehow deficient.

          What’s the chance of that happening?
          That’s right . . Buckly’s.

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      Reed Coray

      tom0mason,

      I have despised the left-leaning (more correctly, left-toppled-over) MSM my entire adult life. I can’t recall a period when the press focused on “reporting” the news rather than trying to “make” the news and/or influence public policy. If simply “reporting” events was ever the case, it was a long time ago. There’s integrity but very little glory in simply reporting the news, but accolades galore in making the news. Journalism, like the legal profession, long ago abandoned integrity for fame and fortune. You’re right, the current crop of MSM outlets hasn’t changed–they’re still left-toppled-over, and they always will be. What I hope is starting to change are the size and influence of the current crop of MSM outlets. The NYTs, CNNs, etc. won’t change their behavior, but the public can turn them into sandwich board street urchins to be avoided by crossing to the other side of the street. By not listening to their broadcasts or buying their papers, you won’t change their attitude; but with luck you will get the satisfaction of seeing them die on the vine.

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        tom0mason

        I agree and feel the same — the forth estate is a fifth column of left-wing and communist politics.

        The reasons I believe, that MSM is so apoplectic about ‘fake news’ is because 2 rank amateurs have pull the same stunt as they have done all these years, and for the same reasons — money and influence.

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    pat

    wonder what this was about? – the link now shows “Sorry, this page could not be found (404 Error).”:

    ABC staff told Radio National will become podcast-led programs by 2020
    Radio National staff have been left heartbroken and discouraged as the worst has been confirmed at a meeting held at the ABC’s Ultimo Centre in Sydney on Tuesday – that Radio National will likely cease to exist as an on-air transmission by the year 2020…
    Sydney Morning Herald – 6 days ago

    btw I can’t recall seeing the following in the comments on recent threads. apologies if someone posted this info already:

    24 Nov: Crikey: Myriam Robin: Radio National staff pass no-confidence motion in ABC management
    This follows a heated meeting of RN staff with managers on Tuesday.
    A meeting of about 60 Radio National staff in Ultimo on Thursday unanimously passed a motion expressing “lack of confidence” in the senior management of ABC Radio.
    The wording of the motion outlines four areas of concern to staff, and it calls on the Community and Public Sector Union to immediately convey staff concerns to ABC boss Michelle Guthrie and the ABC’s staff-elected board director, Matthew Peacock. It follows a period of upheaval at Radio National — last week, the ABC revealed seven potential redundancies in the division to staff, including the departure of veteran ABC broadcaster ***John Cleary, who was the ABC’s staff-elected board director for three years from 1988.

    Radio National is primarily represented by the CPSU. But the ABC’s other staff union, the Media, Arts and Entertainment Alliance, has also expressed concern on behalf of its members, last week calling on the ABC to explain its radio strategy after recent changes. That statement read that “MEAA members at the ABC are deeply concerned at the latest cuts and are particularly disappointed that such a major management decision was released via press release, without any real consultation with the staff or audience members. The proposal appears at odds with recent assurances given by Guthrie to federal senators that no programming changes at RN were being considered…READ ALL
    https://www.crikey.com.au/2016/11/24/rn-staff-no-confidence-motion-in-abc-management/
    12 COMMENTS INCL:
    Zut Alors – 3 days ago
    The minute ABC announced the Fact Check unit was being cancelled the writing was on the wall in general. Programmes which are of value & which inform are now at risk, due to be replaced with untested presenters & unknown formats.
    It is outrageous that Australia’s formerly admired national broadcaster is being undermined & eroded, increasingly infiltrated by ex-News Corp employees/ executives serving Guthrie’s agenda…ETC

    —–

    expect Guthrie to come under relentless attack in certain MSM.

    ***I’ve criticised John Cleary for presenting a so-called religion & ethics program on sunday nights, for being as prog-left as the rest of theirABC, e.g. last nite he had anti-coal, CAGW alarmist half-hour segment:

    Fr Sean McDonagh’s passion for the environment
    A member of the Missionary Society of St. Columban, environmental activist and eco-theologian, he’s recently written a commentary on the recent papal encyclical about the Environment: On Care for our Common Home; a text and commentary on Laudato Si…For many years an outsider by the Catholic Church, he has most recently seen his work reflected in the contents of Pope Francis environmental encyclical Laudato Si.
    —-

    heard a few of the callers last nite, including one who said new management turning to the right wouldn’t work, because rightwing people would not tune into the ABC. caller also believed leftwing truth was truth, while rightwing truth was lies. Cleary didn’t mind any of this. he was lapping up all praise from callers. to one who phoned to criticise, he said he didn’t see the point of “balance”, because then u’d have to allow creationists on programs with evolutionists or something. the caller tried to point out that was an extreme example, but Cleary would have none of it.

    obviously, the question to ask is, why should non leftwing people pay towards the billion-plus dollars ABC received from taxpayers annually?

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      Raven

      A meeting of about 60 Radio National staff in Ultimo on Thursday unanimously passed a motion expressing “lack of confidence” in the senior management of ABC Radio..

      Can anyone imagine such a thing happening in the private sector?
      If I was the ABC boss, I’d be issuing 60 DCM’s (Don’t Come Monday).

      If the proposal is to cease Radio National transmission by 2020, that’s four years of wages saved right there.

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    cedarhill

    Trump (finally?) realizes it is going to be all out war with the media and he’s priming the pump. The more incensed they are, the more obvious their bias and over-the-top reporting. Constant harping at each tweet by Trump will result in the media becoming just background noise akin to the cosmic background radiation from the Big Bang.

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      Raven

      Trump (finally?) realizes it is going to be all out war with the media [...]

      If I was Trump, I’d not go to war exactly. I’d be more inclined to ‘withhold supply’.
      You know . . it’d be like when you have mosquito wrigglers in the water tank and you pour a little kerosine on the surface. ;)

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    duxu

    Perhaps we could deny the MSM journos Gummi Bears, chocolate and Nutella, and they might burn their offices down!

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    Richard Ilfeld

    The overt sins of the media are exposed for all to see, but the covert ones are still hiding.
    Being held to account for what one says leaves in place distortions caused by what one omitted.
    One topical example: we have states where vote fraud is not a perversion of the system, it is the system.
    First, make registration easy by registering folks when they get or renew a drivers license.
    Then, issue licenses to non-citizens.
    Turn down voter ID, and allow extensive non-in-person voting, presuming on the honor of the electorate.
    Is there anyone not benefiting from the illegal votes who thinks this will work out well.
    Somehow, like so many other perversions of government, this has not been doomed newsworthy.

    I worry that a public spat over personality and protocol will hide the 7/8ths of the ‘bad stuff’ iceberg.

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    Roy Hogue

    We should all remember that those who got the chewing out of a lifetime have also lost — or so they think — the dream they have worked toward for many years. I wonder if they will quietly knuckle under and behave themselves just because Donald Trump has the nerve to call them to account for their journalistic sins. In their place I would not change, I would fight on, fair or foul but I would fight on. Politics is a game you play to win and they still want to win. And a big part of the public still pays attention to CNN et al.

    It may not be legal for trump to continue using Twitter from the White House. I’ve seen opinions both ways on that.

    The fight is definitely not over.

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      Roy,

      If you may recall I posted several months ago on this site that Trump would win. Back then, you didn’t think he had much of a chance. I was wrong on the size of the win. I was right about the electoral college but wrong about the popular vote (okay, I would have been right about the popular vote if it wasn’t for California). I was also wrong about the senate. I thought the Republicans would actually gain a few seats but I was ignorant of the fact that almost all of the seats that were up for grabs were held by Republicans. In two years, it will be the democrats that have a lot of seats at risk.

      Not only will the Republicans control the Whitehouse, they will also control the senate and the house. This will be the first time in a very long time since that has happened. Trump will also influence the direction of the supreme court for decades through his supreme court picks.

      I am now going to make another prediction. I predict that Trump will be one of the greatest presidents in the history of the republic or an abysmal failure. There will be no middle ground. I am willing to bet that his image and likeness will be carved into the side of Mount Rushmore when all is said and done!

      As Jo noted, Trump is rich beyond reproach. Don’t believe me? Just check the Thanksgiving menu at the Whitehouse and compare it to what Trump feasted upon at Mira Lago.

      Three things to remember: 1. Political correctness is terminally ill and the patient is in denial. 2. The American economy is about to become unfettered from the Obama administration’s “death by a thousand regulations” approach as Trump assigns most of Obama’s executive orders to the dust bin of history with a sweep of his presidential pen. 3. The global warming tax payer funded gravy train is about to go off of a financial cliff as Team Trump pulls the plug on the greatest scientific fraud in history.

      Let the good times roll!

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        Reed Coray

        Eddy, Gawd I hope you’re three predictions (things to remember) are right–especially numbers 2 and 3. My prediction is that if Trump starts reducing the flow of money to the AGW crowd, you will see a 180 degree turn around in their “let’s publicly debate the issue” position. Up to now, public debate was anathema to them. But as the money flow becomes a trickle, they’ll try anything to expand the trickle–to and including demanding funds to publicly debate the issues. All the old condescending bromides about how immoral it is to give the skeptic side a public voice will fall by the wayside. With the AGW crowd money Trump(s) morals.

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          Reed Coray

          “your” not ‘you’re”

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            ROM

            Reed Coray @ #36.1.1

            Re Eddy’s No 3 for starters
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            RECORD DROP IN GLOBAL TEMPERATURES AS EL NINO WARMING ENDS

            Date: 27/11/16 David Rose, Mail on Sunday

            Global average temperatures over land have plummeted by more than 1C since the middle of this year – their biggest and steepest fall on record. According to satellite data, the late 2016 temperatures are returning to the levels they were at after the 1998 El Nino.
            &
            The satellite measurements over land respond quickly to El Nino and La Nina. Temperatures over the sea are also falling, but not as fast, because the sea retains heat for longer.

            This means it is possible that by some yardsticks, 2016 will be declared as hot as 2015 or even slightly hotter – because El Nino did not vanish until the middle of the year.

            But it is almost certain that next year, large falls will also be measured over the oceans, and by weather station thermometers on the surface of the planet – exactly as happened after the end of the last very strong El Nino in 1998. If so, some experts will be forced to eat their words.

            Last year, Dr Schmidt said 2015 would have been a record hot year even without El Nino.

            ‘The reason why this is such a warm record year is because of the long-term underlying trend, the cumulative effect of the long-term warming trend of our Earth,’ he said. This was ‘mainly caused’ by the emission of greenhouse gases by humans.
            Dr Schmidt also denied that there was any ‘pause’ or ‘hiatus’ in global warming between the 1998 and 2015 El Ninos.

            But on its website home page yesterday, Nasa featured a new study which said there was a hiatus in global warming before the recent El Nino, and discussed why this was so. Last night Dr Schmidt had not returned a request for comment.

            However, both his own position, and his Nasa division, may be in jeopardy. US President-elect Donald Trump is an avowed climate change sceptic, who once claimed it was a hoax invented by China.

            Last week, Mr Trump’s science adviser Bob Walker said he was likely to axe Nasa’s $1.9 billion (about £1.4 billion) climate research budget.

            Other experts have also disputed Dr Schmidt’s claims. Professor Judith Curry, of the Georgia Institute of Technology, and president of the Climate Forecast Applications Network, said yesterday: ‘I disagree with Gavin. The record warm years of 2015 and 2016 were primarily caused by the super El Nino.’

            The slowdown in warming was, she added, real, and all the evidence suggested that since 1998, the rate of global warming has been much slower than predicted by computer models – about 1C per century.

            David Whitehouse, a scientist who works with Lord Lawson’s sceptic Global Warming Policy Foundation, said the massive fall in temperatures following the end of El Nino meant the warming hiatus or slowdown may be coming back.

            ‘According to the satellites, the late 2016 temperatures are returning to the levels they were at after the 1998 El Nino.

            The data clearly shows El Nino for what it was – a short-term weather event,’ he said.

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          Raven

          . . you will see a 180 degree turn around in their “let’s publicly debate the issue” position.

          Well, they could try that . . but why now?
          They ignored that option from the get go.

          By contrast, the sceptic position hasn’t reduced it’s options.
          Ted Cruz has done a reasonable job in his oversight of NASA and essentially found there is no debate to have.

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        Dean_from_Ohio

        “okay, I would have been right about the popular vote if it wasn’t for California). I was also wrong about the senate.”

        Better: (if it wasn’t for the estimated votes from three million illegal immigrants)

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        el gordo

        ‘I predict that Trump will be one of the greatest presidents in the history of the republic or an abysmal failure.’

        Trump is a charismatic leader and has the ability to turn the world upside down, so its extremely likely that he will be one of the greatest US presidents.

        With global cooling manifesting next year we can expect a lot of MSM climate change heat to dissipate, I imagine they will bury the stinking AGW carcass in a shallow grave and walk away.

        Polishing up my crystal ball I see Trump eating a hamburger with the north Korean leader and in a different theater the Palestinian question resolved.

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          Raven

          I reckon the fat kid would go for a burger, too.

          Imagine if Hillary had won . . can anyone see her turning up in her Kim Jong Un tribute pantsuit.
          Now that would be a photo op to remember.

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        Manfred

        RH:

        The fight is definitely not over.

        EA:

        Let the good times roll!

        The two states are not mutually exclusive. The scheming UN will not cease and desist, unless it is substantially de-funded. They’ll continue to peddle their Agendas at the local and municipal levels, aided by the 4,100 odd NGO’s comprising their so called ‘civil society’.
        Pulling the plug on the climate extravaganza is one way. Ridicule is another. If the scientific playing-field is leveled, enjoy the resultant fun! Returning the UN to core business of peacekeeping and security by shriveling the money supply is the only correct answer. Including the WHO public ‘health‘ kontrol risk-mongering business in the financial process of desiccation goes without saying.

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        Roy Hogue

        Eddy,

        I predict that Trump will be one of the greatest presidents in the history of the republic or an abysmal failure,

        ain’t much of a prediction since you have an out either way it goes. ;-)

        I hope he survives the rigors of getting through to his hand on the Bible standing in front Chief Justice Roberts with thousands of onlookers cheering him on. I think he will. But he probably hasn’t changed a single mind in the media that will still be picking and choosing what to report and how to report it.

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        Greebo

        Only thing Eddy; is Trump a Republican? I see him as more of an Indie with Republican leanings. Let’s face it, he won in spite of most senior Republicans, not because of them.

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      PhilJourdan

      I do not see them going quietly, I see them doubling down. They are the Titanic and they are arranging their deck chairs as their ship sinks.

      We may have just witnessed the death knell of the MSM. The only thing that can save them is the removal of the first Amendment and making them a ward of the state.

      Media will continue, but the mainstream may no longer be relevant.

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    Lionell Griffith

    This is our last and best chance of rebuilding our republic. The professional ruling class along with their camp followers, the MSM, must be pruned back to a small fraction of what they are.

    We the People must reassert: “We are individually sovereign over our own lives!” Our governments must be returned to being our servant rather than our masters.

    Continue the good fight because it is a matter of life or death. Do not go quietly into that long dark night.

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      clive

      “A man with a firearm is a Citizen, without one he is a Subject”

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        tom0mason

        .

        “A man with a firearm is a Citizen, without one he is a Subject”
        In the EU he’s part of a statistic.
        In the UN he’s as significant as dust.

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      Raven

      Odd isn’t it . . as an Aussie I was always somewhat perplexed with the American notion that they might need their guns to defend their republic. I could see the relevance way back when, but in 2016?

      Having seen some of the post election antics, I’ll probably go quiet on that for now. :)

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    Dean_from_Ohio

    The Democratic Party of the U.S. and its sycophantic, fawning press wing (the mainstream media) are progressives, and Progressivism poisons everything.

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    el gordo

    The TPP is dead, nevertheless China and Australia plan to push ahead with free trade because its in their common interest.

    ‘Or as a delegate put it during the dialogue: “The dogs bark but the caravan moves on.”

    ‘As the American caravan plunges off the pathway and into rough country amid much barking, Beijing very much wants to make sure that Australia is there, as far as possible, behind the Chinese caravan.’

    Peter Hartcher / SMH

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    tom0mason

    Just to confirm the carp the BBC Weird Service puts out, I’ve just heard them regurgitate the same scary ABC news item of months ago, saying 400 miles of the Australian Barrier Reef is now dead.
    Yep, between the anti-Trump, and yet more reports about how bad Turkey is becoming (very pro Kurdish). BREXIT-you can’t be serious, Coming-up next Russia and how they help Syria, followed by more apologists for Castro.

    Finally real news Ohio State University campus shooting…

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    Robert Rosicka

    Is the ABC changing ? Never thought I’d read a story like this one from the leftist green loving commies .

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-29/cover-your-pepsi,-stash-your-shotgun:-the-nannies-are-coming/8056856

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      Raven

      This was a funny comment:

      What is the matter with that damned st**id woman? If I ran a footrace in which I came dead last by minutes, why in tarnation would I be requesting an examination of the photo finish? What is Jill Stein’s problem????

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    pat

    so much news during the intro to RN Breakfast this morning, but not this, Fran?

    29 Nov: Australian: Rosie Lewis: ABC and SBS to pay price for Senate ABCC victory
    The ABC and SBS will be forced to hold special Q&A-style board meetings with members of the public after Liberal Democrat ­senator David Leyonhjelm horse-traded with the government over its key industrial relations bill to re-establish the construction ­industry watchdog…
    Under the policy, at least half of the ABC’s and SBS’s board meetings each year will be followed by “open community board forums”, with at least two to be held in regional areas, in a bid to make the government-owned broadcasters more “representative” and their processes more transparent. “These open community board forums will give the public greater opportunity to provide feedback directly to the boards responsible for running the ABC and SBS, and for the boards to engage directly with their audience,” Senator Fifield told The Australian.
    “We expect the broadcasters will implement this policy as part of their broader approach to community engagement.”…
    The public broadcasters last night defended the amount of time they spent receiving community feedback.
    “The ABC ­already engages with the community and its audiences through regular public events, forums and media appearances both in major cities and rural and regional Australia,” an ABC spokesman said.
    But Senator Leyonhjelm said he received feedback “all the time” that the ABC — and to a lesser ­extent SBS — was unrepresentative, declaring the policy change would help alter a perception that those who run the broadcasters “live inside the goat cheese ­curtain”.
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/media/broadcast/abc-and-sbs-to-pay-price-for-senate-abcc-victory/news-story/a9e0bd621aa88391b44841a1ae1dc95d

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    pat

    (AUDIO not up yet) BBC are promo-ing the following defense of the pollsters, by emphasising that even Trump’s own internal polling didn’t think he could win! check who gets prominence in the accompanying PIC:

    29 Nov: BBC The Inquiry: Why Did The Polls Get it Wrong (Or Did They)?
    Hillary Clinton lost the US election despite some polls putting her chances of winning at 99%.
    In the run up to the vote pollsters spent huge sums of money speaking to thousands of Americans. They were careful to collect the best possible data from representative samples, and they applied their finest statistical minds to analysing the numbers. Yet almost no-one predicted that Donald Trump would win. So – our question this week – why did the polls get it so wrong? Our expert witnesses explain why polling is getting harder, and why many pollsters ***weren’t – despite that – very far wide of the mark.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04h8rr7

    9 Nov: Wired: Issie Lapowsky: Trump’s Big Data Mind Explains How he Knew Trump Could Win
    The Associated Press had yet to call the presidential election for President-elect Donald Trump, and races in tight states like Pennsylvania and New Hampshire were still undecided, but Matt Oczkowski and everyone else on Trump’s data, digital, and technology teams were celebrating in San Antonio, Texas, where they’ve spent the past several months.
    Reached by phone, Oczkowski, director of product for the president-elect’s data team Cambridge Analytica, was exhilarated but not necessarily surprised. The polls, the pundits, and the data suggested otherwise, but Oczkowski says he and his crew knew weeks ago that Trump had a solid shot at the presidency. “This is not something that political intuition would tell you,” he says, “but our models predicted most of these states correctly.”
    They stood entirely alone…
    https://www.wired.com/2016/11/trump-polling-data/

    4 Nov: Breitbart: Michigan GOP Operative: ‘Trump Is Rocking and Rolling Here’
    Top Michigan Republican operative Jamie Roe tells Breitbart News that, based on his internal polling and the mood of the state’s voters, GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump is about to win Michigan’s 16 electoral votes…
    Roe said, “You don’t deploy your top to places you don’t think you can win. All the top surrogates and Trump himself are coming here.”…

    28 Nov: Bloomberg: Robert Kolker: Paul Manafort is back
    On the morning of July 18, the first day of the 2016 Republican National Convention in Cleveland, a group of reporters covering the presidential campaign packed themselves around a long table for an on-the-record breakfast with Paul Manafort…
    …over the course of an hour, Manafort calmly and steadily made a case for how and why Trump would prevail. The system, Manafort said, was “rigged.” Hillary Clinton, along with elites like the people in the room, didn’t understand how struggling Americans cared more about improving economic opportunity than addressing social issues. “This is an election about change,” he said flatly. “We have a candidate who everybody recognizes is a change candidate, and we’re running against the epitome of Establishment. I mean, you tell me any candidate—I couldn’t pick one off the shelf better than Hillary Clinton to run against on change-vs.-Establishment.” This wasn’t just spin, he argued; it was math. His internal polling, he said, all but confirmed Clinton’s inability to transcend her base. “To the 11 million voters in the several states we have to target, her profile is terrible,” he said. “People don’t see her as somebody who can solve the problem.”
    This was, many would now say, the very reason for Trump’s victory in November. But that morning in July, the reporters seemed unconvinced…
    In the closing days, according to Politico, Manafort encouraged Trump to go after blue-collar votes in Michigan, which he did. Manafort’s advice, and his loyalty, proved useful until the end…
    The night of Nov. 8, (Trump friend ***Roger) Stone got a text from his old friend (Manafort), at the exact moment one of the news outlets was calling the race for their man. The message was just four words: “How sweet it is.”
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-28/paul-manafort-is-back

    ***MSM blacklisted Roger Stone early on in the campaign. in the final weeks, Stone kept saying on alternative online media that internal polling showed Trump would win. as with CAGW, MSM refuses to listen to people whose data doesn’t agree with their own preconceived opinions/wishful thinking.

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      Oliver K. Manuel

      Empirically I knew the UN IPCC’s and Al Gore’s Internet Web of deceit was all fear-based bluff, but I am nevertheless absolutely amazed and forever grateful for the rapidity of its collapse.

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    pat

    27 Nov: GWPF: Daily Mail: David Rose: Record Drop In Global Temperatures As El Nino Warming Ends
    Global average temperatures over land have plummeted by more than 1C since the middle of this year – their biggest and steepest fall on record. According to satellite data, the late 2016 temperatures are returning to the levels they were at after the 1998 El Nino.
    (LINK) Full story & comments.
    http://www.thegwpf.com/record-drop-in-global-temperatures-as-el-nino-warming-ends/

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      Oliver K. Manuel

      Thank you for yet another reminder that Al Gore and the UN’s IPCC are powerless over the forces that control Earth.

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      tom0mason

      pat,

      Now couple that report to nottrickzone latest aggregation of scientific papers showing that Arctic ice is no trend indicator for climate, and you see how far from the mark the climate industry is.

      Arctic sea ice tend to be a lagging indicator of sea conditions and local wind variations an not much else.

      Hansen proved wrong again!

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    28 Nov: Washington Times: Valerie Richardson: Sierra Club President: Fidel Castro had ‘more honor’ than Donald Trump
    Environmental group uses Republican’s Presidential win for fundraising blitz

    this doesn’t amount to much; more a PR push from Bloomberg:

    17 Nov: Bloomberg: Brian Eckhouse: Money Pours Into Sierra Club at Frantic Pace After Trump Victory
    Donations surging at Sierra Club, EDF, NRDC after election
    Donald Trump’s unexpected election victory has spurred environmental groups’ best fundraising campaign yet.
    The Sierra Club has signed about 11,000 new monthly donors since the election, more than nine times the number for last December, its best month ever. Other environmental groups including the Environmental Defense Fund and Natural Resources Defense Council also report surges in giving because the Trump administration has vowed to ease environmental regulations…
    The group (Sierra Club) has received about $3 million in post-election commitments…
    The Environmental Defense Fund raised $250,000 online in the week following the election. That’s about double the amount during the same week a year earlier. About half were new members…
    Neither the Sierra Club nor the Environmental Defense Fund expected Trump to defeat Hillary Clinton, who had led in the polls…
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-16/environmental-donors-pledge-cash-at-frantic-pace-after-trump-win

    28 Nov: Breitbart: Aaron Klein: Flashback: George Soros Financed Hillary Clinton’s Recount Lawyer Marc Elias
    In July, the New York Times reported Soros had pledged up to $5 million for a legal fight led by Elias against what the newspaper characterized as “restrictive voting laws enacted in recent years by Republican-controlled state governments.”
    The Times further reported on Elias’ Soros-financed efforts: ETC…
    (ALSO HAS THE FOLLOWING RE JOHN BONIFAZ FROM THE NY MAG ARTICLE GROUP ENCOURAGING RECOUNTS)
    (John) Bonifaz is the founder of the National Voting Rights Institute (NVRI), where he also served as General Counsel.
    The NRVI’s website documents it is the recipient of “generous foundation and institutional support” from 24 past and present grantors, including Soros’s Open Society Institute…
    The NRVI is also funded by the Soros-funded Tides Foundation, and the Joyce Foundation, which has partnered with the Open Society Foundations on numerous projects. President Obama served as a paid board member of the Joyce Foundation for eight years from 1994 to 2002. Joyce has also been a prominent donor to the Soros-funded Media Matters For America progressive activist group.
    It is worth noting that from 2012 to 2014, New York Magazine’s Sherman was the Bernard L. Schwartz Fellow at New America, a think-tank that, like the NRVI, received funding from Soros’s Open Society Foundations and the Joyce Foundation in addition to scores of other liberal groups. Another New America donor is the Jennifer and Jonathan Allan Soros Foundation. Jonathan is George Soros’s son…
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/11/28/soros-financed-attorney-leading-hillary-clintons-recount-efforts/

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      el gordo

      This is a fairly balanced story from Hannam, but the greenleftoids reading it are still convinced we are witnessing the long awaited tipping point.

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      Robert Rosicka

      Noticed no pics of polar bears on the ice less sea shore , oh wait that was the ABC catalyst program showing how polar bears somehow made it to Antarctica, funny though they didn’t even mention them in the story just showed footage of them in the background .

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    ROM

    Down the bottom but a subject of maybe very considerable interest to every commenter and lurker who comes to Jo’s blog particularly on the media subject of this post of Jo’s

    Who owns the media?

    Via “Business Insider Australia” from the “Jason at Frugal Dad” blog site ;
    .

    These 6 Corporations Control 90% Of The Media In America

    This infographic created by Jason at Frugal Dad shows that almost all media comes from the same six sources.
    That’s consolidated from 50 companies back in 1983.

    NOTE: This infographic is from last year and is missing some key transactions. GE does not own NBC (or Comcast or any media) anymore. So that 6th company is now Comcast. And Time Warner doesn’t own AOL, so Huffington Post isn’t affiliated with them.

    But the fact that a few companies own everything demonstrates “the illusion of choice,” Frugal Dad says. While some big sites, like Digg and Reddit aren’t owned by any of the corporations, Time Warner owns news sites read by millions of Americans every year.

    Here’s the graphic:

    As the quite good graphics can’t be posted here just a short listed summary of its contents .
    For further more detailed infomation go to the links above.

    The Illusion of Choice

    1 / Six media giant’s now control a staggering 90% of what we read , watch and listen to.

    2 / In 1983, 90% of American media was owned by 50 companies.

    In 2011, that same 90% were controlled by 6 companies.

    3/ These six companies were;
    GE
    Newscorp
    Disney
    Viacom
    Time Warner
    CBS

    4 / 232 media executives control the information diet of 277 million Americans

    5 / Total revenue for the big Six was US$275.9 Billion

    Television ;

    6 / The Big six control 70% of the cable.

    News

    7/ 178 million unique users read Time Warner news every month

    8 / Newscorp owns the top newspaper on 3 continents.

    In 2010 they avoided $875 million in US taxes.

    Radio

    9 / In 1995 , the FCC forbade companies owning over 40 stations yet “Clear Channel” owns 1200 stations.

    [ more on movies and mergers and other information. ]

    ————– All the commenters I have quickly scanned through above are looking at the actual media generators of news and commentary.

    The real shift in attitudes across all of the media re accuracy of reporting and the removal of the open and blatant bias against the conservative political groupings will only come when the actual behind the scenes owners of those various media outlets decide that their bottom lines are being and will continue to be hit very hard if they continue to allow their media executives to continue on with their blatant bigotry and bias against anybody who does not toe the media executive’s progressive ideology and beliefs.

    A great deal will depend on how Trump and his team deal with the media in the future as Trump takes up the Presidency.

    I would suggest that a careful eye be kept open for the next year or so on the potential retirement and or unheralded moves into other business pursuits outside of the media for a number of executives as the owners re orientate their media to fall into line with both Trump and more potently, his supporters demands on the removal of bias in the media plus a much larger and potentially very potent media reining in through a legislated requirement for reporting accuracy.

    Otherwise tit might come to legislation whereby it will be relatively easy for an individual to sue the media who may be made fully liable for false, malicious and inaccurate reporting.
    Even more so if some individual is slandered and mis reported by that same media.

    If this eventuates and at this stage it is still unlikely unless the media continues on with its vicious nasty and blatant bias and bigotry against Trump and those who think and believe differently to the media executives and editors, it will be as they say, “All their own work” with nobody else to blame except the media themselves.

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      tom0mason

      And don’t forget Soros (data from about 10 years ago) –

      An investor in the Times Mirror Company, Soros funded the Project on Media Ownership, headed by Professor Mark Crispin Miller at New York University. Whose purpose was expose “media concentration.” A total of $300,000 over several years came from George Soros’ Open Society Institute (OSI). In 1999, a survey commissioned by the Project on Media Ownership and the Benton Foundation and paid for by OSI found that seventy-nine percent of adults would favor a law requiring commercial broadcasters to pay 5 percent of their revenues into a fund for public broadcasting.

      Eric Alterman of The Nation has hailed Soros for spending millions on “education campaigns with America Coming Together, voter mobilization drives with MoveOn.org and research activities with the Center for American Progress (CAP)–where I am a senior fellow…” Alterman says his own magazine, The Nation, is viewed as out of the mainstream in part because of “the continued appearance in its pages of a long-time Stalinist communist, Alexander Cockburn, whose unabashed hatred for both America and Israel … tarnish the reputation of its otherwise serious contributors.” Alterman’s mentor, I.F. Stone, was a paid agent of the KGB and a Stalinist.

      In the Los Angeles Times Book Review, Orville Schell said that Soros had written a “succinct and well-reasoned book,” The Bubble of American Supremacy, which ought “to provide a welcome template for how the candidates might begin to think their way through to a more coherent view of America’s place in the world.” Soros had spoken on March 3 at the Goldman Forum on the Press and Foreign Affairs, sponsored by UC Berkeley’s Graduate School of Journalism. The event was a conversation between Soros and Journalism Dean Orville Schell.

      OSI gave $60,000 to the Independent Media Institute , whose executive director, Don Hazen, is a former publisher of Mother Jones. Hazen has called Soros a “progressive philanthropist.” A story carried by the Independent Media Institute on its AlterNet project says Soros “believes in democracy, positive international relations and effective strategies to reduce poverty, among other things.”

      OSI gave a $75,000 grant to the Center for Investigative Reporting. The group’s board of advisers includes prominent journalists.

      OSI gave $246,528 to the Center for Public Integrity, headed by former CBS News producer Charles Lewis, “to support the continuing expansion of the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists.” A total of $1 million went for “the Global Access Project.” In total, it is estimated that the group has received $1.7 from Soros.

      OSI gave $200,000 to the Fund for Investigative Journalism. This group, too, features prominent journalists on its board.

      OSI’s “Network Media Program” gave $22,157 to Investigative Reporters & Editors.

      Soros Foundations have provided $160,000 to MediaChannel.org, a so-called “media issues supersite, featuring criticism, breaking news, and investigative reporting from hundreds of organizations worldwide.” The executive editor is Danny Schecter, a former news program producer and investigative reporter at CNN and ABC. It was created by Globalvision News Network, whose board includes “Senior executives from the world’s leading media firms.”

      OSI has contributed $70,000 toward the far-left Independent Media Center, or Indymedia, known as an “independent newsgathering collective,” whose servers were seized by a federal law enforcement agency on October 7. The action was apparently related to an investigation into international terrorism, kidnapping or money laundering.

      OSI provided $600,000 to the Media Access Project, a so-called telecommunications public interest law firm critical of conservative influence in the major media.

      OSI provide $30,000 to the Media Awareness Project, a “worldwide network dedicated to drug policy reform” and promoting “balanced media coverage” of the drug issue.

      OSI provided $200,000 to the Association for Progressive Communications, “an international network…working for peace, human rights, development and protection of the environment…”

      Culled from http://www.aim.org/special-report/the-hidden-soros-agenda-drugs-money-the-media-and-political-power/ and others.

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    pat

    I posted about McCrory being expected to be re-elected on a previous thread, & it being an anomaly given all the Republican governorships won, that he wasn’t:

    28 Nov: WashingtonFreeBeacon: Brent Scher: Marc Elias Is a Hypocrite When It Comes to Election Recounts
    Clinton lawyer called for Republican to ‘accept defeat’ in North Carolina, drop recount request
    Hillary Clinton’s lawyer Marc Elias announced over the weekend that the Clinton campaign would participate in the Wisconsin election recount even as he actively fights against recount efforts in a North Carolina governor’s race where the margin of victory was less than 5,000 votes…
    In North Carolina, where Republican Gov. Pat McCrory filed for a recount after he lost to Democrat Roy Cooper by just 4,772 votes, Elias is singing a different tune.
    “Instead of attacking North Carolina voters and undermining our democratic process, Governor McCrory needs to accept his defeat and concede,” said Elias, who also represents the Cooper campaign…
    Not only is the margin of victory smaller in North Carolina, but there is also evidence of numerous problems on Election Day, including actual voter fraud.
    A formal protest was filed shortly after the election when it was revealed that malfunctioning equipment led to unreliable vote counts in Durham County. The McCrory campaign said that 90,000 votes that came from election sites in the county were tabulated from corrupted memory cards. The votes did not show up until late on election night–long after the rest of the votes from the county were already counted–and shifted the race to Cooper.
    A state judge said during a hearing on the night of the election that “Durham historically hasn’t figured out how to carry out an election properly.” The county is also under investigation for the handling of votes during primary elections…
    Further complaints alleging votes by dead people, convicted felons, or people who had already voted were filed in more than half of the state’s 100 counties.
    McCrory cited the protests in his letter to the State Board of Elections requesting a recount…
    http://freebeacon.com/politics/marc-elias-hypocrite-election-recounts/

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    David Maddison

    As the world cools we will need to build new, reliable and cheap power sources like nuclear and coal.

    How quickly can such power stations be built once people wake up to the fact that there is no anthropogenic warming?

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      David,

      as with any new power station, and the same applies for Wind Plants and Solar Plants, there is around a five to seven year timespan between proposal and the delivery of power from that new plant, and that applies even if those wind plants are fast tracked.

      Having said that, a number of years back now, there were complete and detailed proposals for an upgrade at both Bayswater and also Mount Piper Plants in NSW. These Upgrades were for existing brown field sites, so not an actual new green field site, and the Upgrades were for new technology USC plants, four units at each of those two sites. Even now that HELE USC has advanced even further, it would not take much to change the plans to the more recent technology.

      This Upgrade at an already existing Plant would take considerably less time than for a new green field site, with the added bonus that the existing plant could still be operational as the new Upgrade is being constructed.

      Both long and detailed plans for both those plants are still out there, all approved etcetera.

      I am of the opinion that when the current (political) climate changes, (umm, sorry for that pun, I couldn’t help myself) those plans could be revived, and used as models for other plants now getting long in the tooth.

      Perhaps they could do Liddell first and that’s already within close sight of Bayswater at the same coal source as for Bayswater.

      As for Nuclear plants, don’t hold your breath here in Oz. First we need to actually have the discussion, even after the UMPNER report, and that might take a number of years, even before any new plant is actually proposed, and construction of that Nuclear plant would be ten years or so ….. after all that discussion, so I would not be holding my breath waiting for a Nuclear power plant here in Oz.

      I plan to live a long life, and I’m already on the age pension now, but I cannot see a nuclear power plant here in Oz in my lifetime.

      So, I might envisage that new coal fired plants might be the way to proceed in the near term.

      Incidentally, Hazelwood did have tentative plans to upgrade to the new tech coal fired plants, and were going to use the similar technology to those new brown coal fired plants in Germany. It’s the greatest pity that political scaredness failed to move Hazelwood in that direction, and now it’s a goner.

      Tony.

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        David Maddison

        Thanks for you answer Tony. I’m glad that Hazelwood could be upgraded but I am betting itbwill be rapidly demolished after shut down just like the one in SA.

        My original question was based upon a reportbto be tabled to Parliament that all remaing 30 coal plants should be shut down.

        https://www.buzzfeed.com/aliceworkman/government-report-wants-all-coal-fired-power-stations-closed?utm_term=.gfB3yaozK#.uuMOvMxWo

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          For the life of me, I just cannot figure out why these people who want them closed have not sought out the the truth that renewables just CANNOT replace coal fired power on the same like power for like power basis.

          Look at that second image down on that linked page and the heading of the person looking out into the camera which says ….. Senator Larissa Waters – CHAIR.

          When they put people like that in charge of a Senate Committee on something like this, I despair for the future.

          Go on, Larissa close them down. I dare you. At least we will know who to blame for the resultant chaos and anarchy.

          Tony.

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          Ted O'Brien.

          The purpose of the rapid demolition is to ensure that the power station can never be reopened when the price rises to compete with the owners’ other power stations.

          i.e. the purpose is to maximise profits for the owners. That’s how “privatisation” works.

          We ain’t seen nothin’ yet! Victoria may very well take the rest of us down with it.

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      Analitik

      I posted the following in the Unthreaded thread this morning but since we’re into OT, I’ll repeat it here
      ====================================================

      Wow, I must have been asleep when the senate enquiry for Retirement of coal fired power stations was announced

      Key point (c) IMO

      policy mechanisms to encourage the retirement of coal-fired power stations from the National Electricity Market, having regard to:
      i) the ‘Paris Agreement’ to keep global warming below 2 degrees celsius, and ideally below 1.5 degrees celsius,
      ii) the state and expected life span of Australia’s coal-fired power plants,
      iii) the increasing amount of electricity generated by renewable energy and likely future electricity demand,
      iv) maintenance of electricity supply, affordability and security, and
      v) any other relevant matters;

      http://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Senate/Environment_and_Communications/Coal_fired_power_stations

      Unfortuately, submissions closed on the 10th of November – I hope some others here were more abreast of this enquiry

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        Analitik,

        note how the right hand never knows what the left hand is doing, or even bothers to find out.

        The Queensland Government report into its renewable power ‘thought bubble’ has stated categorically that NO coal fired power plants will be closed, as they are the youngest fleet in the Country.

        Never mind, if they do decide to close them down, the cost of paying recompense for legally binding contracts to supply will break them.

        Tony.

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          Analitik

          Interim report here

          Not surprisingly, the recommendations are pure fluff (as you’d expect with an investigation chair by The Greens). Sadly, the Coalition rebuttal doesn’t call out the CAGW myth and still refers to meeting the Paris Accord targets

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    Deplorable Lord Jim

    Wisconsin Insider on Recount: Expect MASSIVE DNC Voter Fraud to be Exposed

    “The Anonymous “insider” says the recount will reveal people out of state voting, non citizens voting, people voting numerous times, and nursing home violations.”

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/11/wisconsin-insider-recount-expect-massive-dnc-voter-fraud-exposed/

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      Roy Hogue

      Did anyone else notice this in the article linked by Deplorable…?

      The Wisconsin Elections Commission set a timetable Monday for a recount of the presidential election but rejected a request for a hand recount. The commission is made up of three Democrats and three Republicans. It adopted the recount plans unanimously.

      Unanimously! Ouch!

      It would appear that Democrats are playing it straight instead of looking for a way to throw the result to Hillary. If I was as popular as she looks right now I wouldn’t ask for a recount. I’d go out and drown my sorrows in some out of the way bar. She should be ashamed of herself for so many reasons Jo’s server would crash if I tried to list them all.

      And then thee’s North Carolina and more suspense…

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      Analitik

      Also from the article

      a Wisconsin insider on 4Chan said to expect the recount to expose massive DNC fraud

      Here’s hoping the DNC and Hillary (and their invisible backers) are hoist on their own petard

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      Analitik

      And ooh, lookkie! Furious Democrats Blast Stein’s Recount Effort As Nothing But A “Scam”

      “My sense is that the Clinton people would have preferred this not to happen and are going to be involved only in a monitoring capacity,” said Robert Shrum, a Democratic strategist and a veteran of several presidential campaigns, including that of 2004 nominee John Kerry.

      Says it all, really….

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    Clyde Spencer

    It strikes me that the result of the election is poetic justice. It seems that the MSM was trying to convince everyone that Hillary had it in the bag. Therefore, it was a waste of time to vote for Trump. Instead, the Democrats turned out in lower than usual numbers, apparently believing the MSM and thinking that their vote wasn’t needed.

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    Richard

    And in their fury and indignation, they’re calling for government control over “fake news”. This stance has generated some fun stories highlighting documented fake news from the mainstream media, not the least of which was Dan Rather using a fraudulent document to “prove” GW Bush went AWOL from the national guard. Of course, when caught, he claimed that accuracy of the report doesn’t change the truth of the story…and therein lies the problem. The media believes they are right, especially when they aren’t.

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      Analitik

      Never let the truth get in the way of a good story….
      And never let facts obscure the “truth”…

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      Len

      In yesterday’s West Australian page 15: Facebook warned: no fake stories on WA poll Social media behemoth Facebook has been put on notice to keep watch for bogus news stories before the WA election amid claims of

      fake news

      helped Donald Trump win the US election. WA Labor State Secretary Patrick Gorman has written to the Australian boss fo Facebook to warm that social networking sites need to weed out phoney news stories during the State pool. The West’s editorial headline = Social media’s fake news puts more at risk than elections. All complete bull$#*t

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    Dennis

    On the day that Prime Minister Tony Abbott was defeated as Leader of the Parliamentary Liberal Party and therefore as Prime Minister he addressed media for the last time in that position. Part of his address included advice to journalists about accepting background briefings, political spin, from anonymous sources, people who will not allow their name to be published or referred to as the informant. He was of course referring to politicians like the disloyal Liberals who undermined their leader and the Cabinet Chief of Staff for six (6) years from 2009 to 2015 when they finally managed to convince enough of their colleagues to change the leadership.

    Journalist Paul Sheehan wrote a very interesting book named The Electronic Wh**ehouse covering media spin, advertising dressed up as news items, political spin presented as facts, etc.

    In my opinion the once proud to be professional media are most often unprofessional presenters who we cannot trust.

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      Analitik

      Someone posited that the decline in journalism standards coincided with the increase in journalists entering the media via courses run by educational institutions rather than through an apprenticeship.

      A case of an honorable trade devolving into a questionable profession, possibly through the old adage of “those who can’t, teach”

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    the sting

    A bit off topic,however my question is based on the use of Section 92 of our Constitution that allows free trade between States. Can we use Section 92 to scuttle this renewable energy push by the likes of the Victorian government ? My thinking is, that because the Victorian goverment has increased subsidies to renewables whilst increasing taxes/royalities on coal and the fact that some states are interconnected there may be a way to scuttle the taxes on coal via Section 92.There are many more emininent people than me on this blog who can possibly answer my question.

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    Bulldust

    Wow! ABC mentioning BoM’s predicted heatwave for QLD without mentioning climate change once:

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-29/temps-cracking-40c-forecast-for-southern-queensland/8074116

    No doubt the story will get fixed shortly…

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      Raven

      Yes, they probably forgot to have Legal run their eye over it . . .

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      el gordo

      I reckon its the Trump Effect.

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      Ted O'Brien.

      At the ABC any heat wave, factual or fictitious, is climate science. I can’t see it from here yet, and Birdsville is used to it.

      My take on Section 92 is that Vic can tax in Vic, but can’t tax trade from other states.

      This does present the scenario that taxed power produced in Victoria has to compete with the going rate (whatever, presumably less taxed) product from interstate. Suicidal economics. How long can it last?

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    Mark D.

    It seems to me that the Left and more importantly their surrogates; The MSM, are about to (or are having) strokes right now.

    Gawd I’m so happy!

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      TdeF

      More like apoplectic fits. The MSM is in a total pickle in the US.

      The President no less calls them liars, prejudiced, deceivers and politicised, his enemies. They are now imagining press conferences where the MSM sit at the back of the room and do not want to be there anyway. All their worst fears come true. 95% of journalists donated to Hilary’s campaign. 98.3% of Washington DC voted for Hilary.

      Now the MSM have a President who does not want a salary, sees the White House as a museum and thinks journalists hate him. How on earth can they do anything except snipe from a distance? Who will believe anything they say? Credibility shot, access to the President shot, trust shot and unlikely to get an invitation to cover big events like a meeting with Putin as both would see the MSM as the enemy, which is right. Trump will have his own people.

      In Australia you would wish Abbott back to sell the ABC/SBS monolith. The existence of this unaccountable greedy group is a blot on the landscape of Australian politics, rule by an unelected minority paid by everyone but accountable to no one, not even parliament. Cut them loose.

      The ABC/SBS has proven utterly unwilling to respect its own charter and has lost the right to exist. Pushing BBC programs like Peppa Pig as their own, could possibly be interpreted as fraud. You can watch just about everything BBC on Foxtel anyway, with many more channels. The ABC is toast but not while their man Malcolm is their very dependent friend.
      [Editorial discretion applied] Fly

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    TdeF

    Terry McCran’s “Energy lies .. from the experts” article in the Melbourne Herald Sun this morning, by far the biggest paper in Victoria, is amazing. He calls all the usual suspects liars about power. “Last month the Paris-based International Energy Agency issued its latest ‘World Energy Outlook’ which contained ”

    Renewables have surpassed coal last year to be become the largest source of installed power capacity in the world“. Great, eh?

    Terry continues “It is a claim so utterly ludicrous, so instantaneously false, that in any other context it would be stunning and a generator of endless ridicule”

    It has been extensively referenced by propagandists as the truth.

    In fact they are talking about incremental growth and comparing maximum or nameplate capacity. They are not allowing for at least a 3x reduction for achieved output. The total for wind and solar is really less than 1% of all energy.

    He does not excuse it as a ‘slip of the tongue’ but a deliberate statement to foster a sense of “an overwhelming tide towards wind and solar”.

    Terry calls it “classic warmist self delusion, wishful thinking and utter denial of reality” and “the path to a greener future is open”.

    As Terry concludes, that part is true. With no restraints on India or China, more CO2 means a greener planet.

    And my point, how much of that was done with legislation like our appalling Federal RET, punishing coal producers and forcing the closure of Hazelwood and deliberately destroying energy security and pushing up costs for everyone with massive Carbon taxes in the form of Large scale Generation Certificates? You don’t see them. They are in your electricity bills.

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      Analitik

      Meanwhile Euan Mearns is documenting the situation in the UK and Scotland in particular where they shut down their last coal plant in March. Now there is nuclear reactors in Scotland offline (with clogged intakes), reactors in France offline for “safety inspections” (reducing available imports), cold weather and very low wind (big high system slowly crossing northern Europe).

      http://euanmearns.com/blackout-the-sequel/

      Even an early winter blackout in Scotland could be far more serious than what South Australia went through – a midwinter blackout would definitely be worse.

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      Ted O'Brien.

      Never forget, the RET was retained by PUP, after Al Gore paid Clive Palmer a visit.

      The call from the steps of our parliament was not on behalf of Clive Palmer. It was on behalf of Al Gore, who stood to lose a lot of wealth and face if Australia abolished the RET.

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    PeterPetrum

    THE ULTIMATE CENSORSHIP

    We have not been able to upload any conventional news channel today – the Australian, Daily Telegraph, ABC, or any other Australian or British newspaper. However, the unconventional news sites, like Jo’s blog, Breitbart, and any other sites all upload normally. This is both on our iPads and desktops. We are getting download speeds of 10mps so that is not the problem. Anyone else in the same boat. Has someone found a cunning way to stop us getting “false news”?

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    ROM

    All of the above loading normally here in west Vic, Peter.
    —————–
    Very relevant to Jo’s headline post is this interview [ 28 th Nov ] from Breitbart News.
    It follows the same line of thinking that Jo has posted above.

    ——————

    Sean Hannity: People Don’t Need ‘Fake News’ Corporate Media Anymore; Landscape Shifting to Breitbart, Drudge, Talk Radio

    Talk radio host and Fox News star— Sean Hannity —talked about the 2016 election with SiriusXM host Matt Boyle on Monday’s Breitbart News Daily.

    Boyle asked Hannity how Trump won so big on Election Day, especially in his sweep of the Rust Belt states.

    “There are three factors, but I’ll break it down into one, and I would say it’s the ‘Forgotten Man, Forgotten Woman’ election,” Hannity replied. “This is where Donald Trump stood out from 16 other Republicans. He was talking about issues that impact people’s lives.”

    “Look, Matt, I spent an entire year on radio and TV giving out statistics,” Hannity continued. “I did it for a reason. It’s not because I want to hear myself talk. I knew the media would never cover it, but when you have in the last eight years, 13 million more Americans on food stamps, eight million more in poverty, the lowest labor participation rate since the seventies, the worst recovery since the forties, the lowest home ownership rate in 51 years, and you’ve got a President that accumulates more debt than every other president before him combined – look, those millions of people, 50 million in poverty, 50 million on food stamps, these are real people, real lives, real suffering.”

    “As a conservative, I knew these Obama policies would fail,” he said. “It was as predictable as the day was long. That’s why I tried so hard in 2008 and 2012 to warn people that we’re headed down the wrong road. People might like Obama personally, and polls show that they do, but his record is atrocious. On top of that, I didn’t even mention anything involving foreign policy. I didn’t mention Obamacare, that is a massive failure across the board.”

    “If you want to add in other factors, Hillary is a horrible candidate. She’s not viewed as honest and trustworthy,” he continued. “The ethics issues really, really hurt her, and she enriched herself. I would argue that in ’92, Bill Clinton was a change agent. She was, as I said to a friend this weekend, old, she had no warmth, she was cold, and she was ethically challenged.”

    “Donald Trump, to his credit, he resonated with the people that lost their jobs, were in poverty, on food stamps, losing opportunity. He was a great candidate, and he simply outworked her. He wasn’t a perfect person or a perfect candidate. One of the things, I think, attracted people to him is that he didn’t spend his whole life thinking he was going to run for president. If he did, he wouldn’t have gone on The Howard Stern Show,” Hannity said.

    “That’s the reason to me. It was the forgotten man, the forgotten woman, the quiet suffering that Americans are going through because of big government, huge bureaucracy, and these people get nothing. All they do is get taxed to death, for the most part,” he said.

    Hannity said that what we learned about the “radical Left colluding-with-Clinton campaign media” from the WikiLeaks revelations was “spectacular.”

    “It is the most underreported story out there,” he declared. “They’re not going to cover the fact that they themselves colluded with Clinton, helped Clinton, in some cases, gave questions to her or sought questions for Trump or for Cruz through the DNC, John Harwood advising the Clinton campaign, moderating a debate. It’s pretty spectacular on Election Night that one of the moderators, Martha Raddatz, cried when Donald Trump had won the election.”

    “I mean, they lie. They’re corrupt. They’re dishonest. They collude. They’re all in this hyperventilating mode about ‘fake news’ now, but they are fake news. That’s them. It’s now on display for the world to see,” Hannity charged.

    “I just keep pointing out to people – look, people don’t need them any more. They’re done. I suggested the other day that if any of these organizations were involved in collusion with the Clinton campaign, why do they get a seat in the White House press office? Why does Donald Trump need a White House press office? He doesn’t. You know, you can have a pool person that’s standing by if, God forbid, there’s any bad news about the president that the country needs to know, but his own staff could tweet it out, for crying out loud,” he said.

    “Things have changed dramatically, with Breitbart, and Drudge, and cable news, and talk radio, and social media – Twitter, Instagram, Facebook. People are getting information very differently than they did,” Hannity reflected.

    He thought the media lost a vital share of their remaining credibility by getting the 2016 election so completely wrong, remembering how author Ann Coulter was almost “laughed off the stage” on Bill Maher’s HBO program during the summer for saying that Trump had the best chance of winning the election.

    “I don’t think they’re laughing any more,” Hannity remarked.

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      PeterPetrum

      Thanks ROM. Still down here.

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      sophocles

      The UNZ Review’s “An Obituary of the New York Times” show’s an NYT completely out of touch with the modern reality. The NYT and CNN were two media giants whose rear ends were really applied to the red hot griddle by Trump. It gives a lot of good background.

      They were sure they were “The Kingmakers.” They weren’t and their noses have been thoroughly rubbed in it after the application of hot irons. I will be watching with interest to see if they are really awake to what has happened to them or is Trump going to have to heat their rear ends several more times.

      We live in decidedly interesting times.
      What fun :-)

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      Ted O'Brien.

      It’s basic. It started to become visible when the Hawke government first deregulated the banks then strenuously promoted abuse of that deregulation. Alan Bond was the front man, but three of our “big four” banks fell for the promotion, while the CEO of the fourth was publicly vilified for refusing to join the road to ruin. That was just half of Australia’s contribution to the crash of 1987. The thing to note is that the crash was deliberate, planned.

      In 1987 the Marxists thought they had their scorched earth from which to rebuild their new civilisation. But they were outsmarted. The people on top of the pile could remember the 1930s. There is but little fun on top of a pile that is flat. So they took losses sufficient to ensure that the pile did not collapse, leaving them still on top and the Marxists still on the outer.

      After that their policy became to run up reckless public debt. Public debt must be funded by private capital. Public debt is private capital already spent, taken out of private management. They are working to destroy the capitalist system, no matter the cost.

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    el gordo

    Merkel to purge Denialati

    ‘The only silver lining to this ghastly business is in order to legally persecute “climate deniers”, if this is Merkel’s intention, she will have to define what climate denial actually is. Defining climate “denial” is harder than it might seem, because there is a lot of agreement about the fundamental physics.

    ‘A legal definition of climate “denial” would have to include ridiculously prescriptive clauses, such as “expressing a belief that equilibrium climate sensitivity may be less than 1.5c / doubling of CO2”.

    Eric Worrall / WUWT

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      This is going to be very interesting. It’s much more likely going to create a double-edged sword, which might be able to be better wielded by the realists rather than the converted, I think. Watch that space!

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    pat

    EU continues the insanity. who cares what foundation-subsidised ***Environmental campaigners think?

    28 Nov: Reuters: Alissa de Carbonnel: Exclusive: EU to attach CO2 limits to power reserve subsidies – source
    EU regulators plan to attach emissions limits to subsidies paid to utilities that set aside capacity to avert blackouts, an EU source told Reuters.
    A draft law due to be published by the European Commission on Wednesday will set stricter rules on capacity mechanisms as the EU pushes to implement 2030 goals on reducing greenhouse gases.
    Capacity mechanisms are used in some EU countries such as Britain and France to fund electricity generation that may not be cost-effective or as clean as renewable power but is needed to guarantee supply during periods of peak demand…
    “Capacity mechanisms will not be used as a backdoor subsidy of high-polluting fossil fuels; that would go against our climate objectives,” EU Commissioner for Climate Action and Energy Miguel Arias Canete told Reuters.
    “It is necessary to include strict environmental criteria in such mechanisms to avoid giving wrong incentives that might lead to stranded assets as our emissions target gets more strict.”
    Wednesday’s draft law will set a limited of 550 grams of carbon dioxide per kilowatt-hour for new plants, the source said, and give EU nations time to adapt existing capacity mechanisms already cleared by regulators.
    This would limit their use of coal-fired and less efficient gas-fired power plants as back-up for when renewable plants are not running….
    ***Environmental campaigners who have long criticized the schemes as thinly disguised subsidies for fossil fuel power said they would welcome stricter rules but warned against member states that are heavily dependent on coal power such as Poland seeking to water down the CO2 limits…
    A proposal to share the burden of the bloc’s pledge under the Paris climate accord to cut emissions by at least 40 percent by 2030 from 1990 levels published in July is being fiercely fought over by member states and European Parliament.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-energy-powerstation-exclusive-idUSKBN13N1AM

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      mikewaite

      I wonder how relevant this EU policy would be to the UK if the current
      weather conditions last much longer .
      After the coldest night of the winter so far power demand is at 45GW and will increase
      probably during the day . Coal , Nuclear and CCGT are in the red zones on the gridwatch dials
      http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/
      and wind, the Govt’s preferred power source , to the exclusion of almost all others , is contributing
      just 1.7GW or less than 4%.
      Presumably the reserve diesel generators may have to be used , but will the EU allow them ?
      Brexit ? Just a dream – will never happen .

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    Mark M

    So, how did that ‘inoculation’ go?

    “How to inoculate people against Donald Trump’s fact bending claims” by John Cook @theconversation.

    Note the deleted comments of 8 months ago are the ones that would be correct now.

    What a bunch of 97% comment deleting losers.

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    pat

    already being despaired over in the comments, but it’s a ***”red-letter day” says Adam Bandt!

    28 Nov: Guardian: Michael Slezak: Electricity from coal should be phased out in Australia – Senate report
    Coal-fired power plants should be closed in orderly fashion to ensure energy supply is not disrupted
    With the backing of both the Labor and Green members of the committee, the report called for a comprehensive energy transition plan and the development of a mechanism that would ensure coal-fired power stations close in an orderly fashion and with plenty of warning.
    It also backs a call from the Australian Council of Trade Unions, which argued in a report (LINK) this month for an independent “energy transition authority” to manage the transition, ensuring that particular workers and communities are are not unfairly affected by the changes…
    The Liberal members wrote a dissenting report…
    The closure of most power plants in the coming decades was inevitable, with most of Australia’s fleet already more than 30 years old. Several large coal power stations have already been slated for closure…
    During the public hearings, Erwin Jackson from the Climate Institute said that since existing coal power stations were going to close no matter what, energy prices were inevitably going to rise.
    And Frank Jotzo from the Australian National University said the cost of building renewables and coal power stations was about the same, so there was no commercial reason to preference coal…
    In a dissenting report, the Coalition senators said they did not support any of the recommendations of the majority report…
    The Greens’ climate change and energy spokesman, Adam Bandt, said: ‘This is a ***red-letter day for clean energy. For the first time ever, a parliamentary body has called for a managed replacement of coal-fired power with renewables…
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/nov/28/electricity-from-coal-should-be-phased-out-within-10-years-senate-report

    SBS Backburner satirical pieces don’t usually put a smile of my face, but this one is worth a laugh:

    29 Nov: SBS: Greens Concerned Barrier Reef Will Become As White As The Greens
    By The Backburner
    PIC OF THE GREENS
    http://www.sbs.com.au/comedy/article/2016/11/29/greens-concerned-barrier-reef-will-become-white-greens

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    pat

    rationalising China’s coal! lol.

    28 Nov: TheConversation: China’s plan to increase coal power by 20% is not the climate disaster it seems
    by Kevin Lo, Assistant Professor, Hong Kong Baptist University & Alex Lo, Assistant Professor, University of Hong Kong
    China recently announced a 20% increase in coal power capacity by 2020. Does the new target contradict its pledge to peak carbon emissions well before 2030 under the Paris Agreement?…
    But this may not contradict the country’s climate pledge if we look into the details…

    ***The most controversial issue in the plan is the target for coal-fired power generation, which is to limit the total installed capacity to 1,100 gigawatts by 2020. Given that the current installed capacity is about 900GW, this allows for a massive 200GW increase in the next four years.
    ***To put this number in context, Australia’s installed capacity for coal-fired electricity generation was 29GW in 2013-14. The worldwide installed capacity of solar photovoltaics at the end of 2015 was 227GW.

    China’s proposed massive increase in coal power has raised questions about the environmental and economic rationales of the plan as well as the consistency between China’s energy and climate policies…

    The recent decline in coal prices means that the business of owning and operating coal-fired power plants has become highly lucrative. These state-owned enterprises therefore have a strong motivation to build more coal-fired stations…
    According to Huang Xuenong, the head of the National Energy Administration’s electricity department, without any policy intervention, China’s coal-fired capacity would be about 1,250GW by the year 2020.
    The 1,100GW target in the plan therefore means that the administration intends to restrict the rapid rise of coal power by at least 150GW. While representing a substantial increase from the current level, the main outcome would still be below business-as-usual…
    ***China remains committed to displacing coal-fired power generation…
    The big picture is largely consistent with China’s policy objective of peaking its carbon emissions by 2030…
    http://theconversation.com/chinas-plan-to-increase-coal-power-by-20-is-not-the-climate-disaster-it-seems-68908

    Author Disclosure: Alex Lo receives funding from the National Science Foundation of China, the Regional Studies Association (UK), and the Academy of the Social Sciences in Australia.
    Kevin Lo does not work for, consult, own shares in or receive funding from any company or organisation that would benefit from this article, and has disclosed no relevant affiliations beyond the academic appointment above.

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    pat

    the entire MSM subscribes to Reuters, but only this Duluth paper and Fortune Mag appear to have carried this positive coal piece!

    ***grass-roots campaigners? what a joke.

    27 Nov: DuluthNewsTribune: Reuters: Barbara Lewis: Coal price surge sets miners against activists by English seaside
    DRURIDGE BAY, England — In northeastern England, a battle is raging between ***grass-roots campaigners and a company intent on digging a new open cast mine as world coal prices soar…
    Coal prices have risen by well over 100 percent this year to $100 a ton. Some mining stocks have risen even more, spurred by U.S. President-elect Donald Trump’s pledges to revive coal and pull out of the Paris Agreement on climate change.
    Some wonder how long the coal price surge will last, but in Northumberland, the Banks Group is pressing ahead with plans for a new mine despite opposition from local environmentalists…
    Jeannie Kielty, who works on community relations for Banks, says open cast mining is part of the social fabric of the northeast, an area with a long history of coal mining…
    British planning rules and the government’s drive to close coal-fired power stations do allow coal mining in some circumstances.
    The phase-out plans apply only to so-called unabated coal, meaning a company that has the technology to reduce emissions can carry on generating power with coal.
    Exceptions also can be made if there is a risk that supplies will be disrupted, a danger heightened by Britain’s vote to leave the European Union. That makes the country more reliant on its own resources and less sure it can tap into the European power grid.
    Big banks say they have stopped funding coal in Britain, although they may consider projects in some emerging economies…
    Shares in Glencore, the world’s biggest shipper of seaborne coal, have risen more than 200 percent since January…
    http://www.duluthnewstribune.com/business/4167432-coal-price-surge-sets-miners-against-activists-english-seaside

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    pat

    26 Nov: UK Telegraph: Tara Cunningham: Thousands face uncertainty as low-cost supplier GB Energy Supply closes down
    The low-cost energy supplier, which is believed to have had around 160,000 customers, moved to reassure customers that they will not be cut-off following the announcement…
    The challenger energy supplier, which burst onto the market around two years ago and claimed to offer “Britain’s cheapest energy”, is the first victim of rising energy prices this winter…
    Meanwhile, Emma Bush, uSwitch.com energy expert, said: “Rising wholesale prices this year are making for some tough market conditions for new, independent suppliers in particular…
    Energy watchdog Ofgem will now move to appoint a new supplier to take over GB Energy Supply’s customers.
    This afternoon Ofgem advised the 160,000 customers to “take a meter reading today and wait until their new supplier contacts them.” …
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/11/26/low-cost-supplier-gb-energy-supply-closes/

    subscription reqd:

    GB Energy collapse raises fears of more failures
    Financial Times-27 Nov. 2016
    Industry executives and analysts said more bankruptcies were possible among the dozens of small companies competing in the UK retail energy market.

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    29 Nov: news.com.au: Reuters: Philip Pullella: Don’t wreck climate change pact: Pope
    Addressing a group of scientists that included theoretical physicist Stephen Hawking, the pope gave his strongest speech on the environment since the election of Trump, who has threatened to pull out of the 2015 Paris Agreement on climate change.
    “The ‘distraction’ or delay in implementing global agreements on the environment shows that politics has become submissive to a technology and economy which seek profit above all else,” Francis said.
    Francis, who wrote an encyclical, or papal letter, on the environment last year, took a swipe at those who dispute that climate change is caused by human activity, criticising “the ease with which well-founded scientific opinion about the state of our planet is disregarded”.
    During the campaign, Trump called climate change a hoax.
    Last week he appeared to soften his stance, telling The New York Times …
    But days later, Reince Priebus, Trump’s designated White House chief-of-staff, told Fox News that the president-elect still believed climate change was mostly “a bunch of bunk”.
    In his speech, the Pope said scientists should “work free of political, economic or ideological interests, to develop a cultural model which can face the crisis of climatic change and its social consequences”…
    A US withdrawal from the pact…would set back international efforts to limit rising temperatures that have been linked to the extinction of animals and plants, heat waves, floods and rising sea levels.
    Francis called for “an ecological conversion capable of supporting and promoting sustainable development”.
    He said humans could not consider themselves “owners and masters of nature, authorised to plunder it without any consideration of its hidden potential and laws of development”…
    http://www.news.com.au/world/breaking-news/dont-wreck-climate-change-pact-pope/news-story/a5c36744202997ae0318066349855400

    29 Nov: ABC: Anna Vidot: Farmer survey reveals concern, shifting attitudes on climate change
    A survey of Australian farmers’ attitudes to climate change has found many are concerned, and want their politicians and agricultural representatives to do more.
    More than 1,300 primary producers, from a wide range of industries and states, responded to the survey which was organised by ***Farmers for Climate Action…(ENOUGH SAID, ABC)

    Fairfax thinks it’s worth reporting too:

    Farmers demand the Coalition government does more on climate change
    The Sydney Morning Herald-10 hours ago

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      Oliver K. Manuel

      Ego-, geo-centric Popes, “progressives,” and politicians still think planet Earth independent of the massive fountain of energy that Copernicus discovered at the center of the solar system in 1543.

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    Oliver K. Manuel

    It will be very difficult for Trump to unravel the web of deceit NAS built by budgetary control of federal research agencies:

    1. NASA hid the nature of the massive fountain of energy Copernicus reported at the center of the solar system in 1543, while

    2. AEC/DOE hid Neutron Repulsion – which generates mass (energy) in cores of heavy atoms like uranium and ordinary stars like the Sun:

    https://judithcurry.com/2016/11/27/earth-to-trump/#comment-827185

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      Oliver K. Manuel

      This holiday season I am grateful that a power I do not understand is far more powerful than the combined powers of all Popes, “progressives,” politicians and lock-step “97% consensus scientists.”

      Seeing is believing!

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    Ian H

    an off-the-record gathering

    If the meedting was off the record and they reported what happened in it, then I guess that just proves yet again that they cannot be trusted.

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    pat

    29 Nov: The Hill: Gingrich: Trump has no obligation to hold news conferences
    By Rebecca Savransky
    “The news media so totally disgraced itself in this election, if I were Trump I would just say no,” Gingrich, a Trump adviser, said during an interview with USA Today’s Capital Download. “And if the White House Correspondents’ Association doesn’t like it, I’d say, ‘Fine, disband.’”…
    Members of the press have complained that Trump hasn’t adequately informed the media about his decisions.”…
    http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/307938-gingrich-trump-has-no-obligation-to-hold-news-conferences

    Freerepublic comments:
    How many press conferences did Obama hold over the last 8 years?
    Very few and the press never once complained…
    Hillary goes what 300 days without an interview during a campaign, and nothing said.

    (re compilation below: a single reference to Dr. Ron Paul might have slipped in by accident, early in the compilation; otherwise it’s the best indictment of the anti-Trump MSM i’ve seen to date.)

    11 Nov: Youtube: 5mins12secs: WATCH: The Biggest Media Meltdowns to Trump’s Win
    Compiled of clips captured by the Media Research Center’s NewsBusters. Produced by Katie Yoder.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtJvYdX4GKM

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    pat

    there’s been maximum “Fake News MSM” coverage for this Fake News story already, but Rollingstone obviously feels special that they are not ***”almost anyone” so they still get another big ***”piece” of Horner:

    30 Nov: Rollingstone: Erik Hedegaard: How a Fake Newsman Accidentally Helped Trump Win the White House
    Paul Horner thought he was trolling Trump supporters – but after the election, the joke was on him
    But then, two weeks ago, the Washington Post reported that his particular line of bull, as promulgated mainly through Facebook, may have played a big part in getting Donald Trump elected to the highest office in the land. “I think Trump is in the White House because of me,” Horner told the paper. Suddenly, all hell broke lose and now everyone wants a ***piece of him. “Inside Edition, CBS News, ABC, the local affiliates, like way more than 60 interview requests,” he reports, adding that ***he’s decided to not talk to almost anyone until the situation calms down. “I mean, the Tonight Show used that Post quote and was attacking me because of it. But I didn’t mean it like I was trying to get him in the White House,” he says. “I was trying to keep him out of it!”…
    But then the idea of “fake news” itself went viral, with every media outlet in the world weighing in on the “epidemic” and “scourge” – NPR, the New York Times, the Hindustan Times, all down the line. Finally, Zuckerberg was forced to say that “we take misinformation seriously” and that Facebook was looking at ways to combat the problem.
    ****Surprisingly, Horner himself is all for a crackdown…
    http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/how-a-fake-newsman-accidentally-helped-trump-win-white-house-w452488

    ****”surprisingly” to you, Rollingstone, or so it would seem given the following:

    9 Nov: Rollingstone: Jann S. Wenner: The Day After: Obama on His Legacy, Trump’s Win and the Path Forward
    My final interview with President Obama in the White House had been scheduled for the day after the presidential election. I had hoped to look back on what he had achieved over eight years and the issues that mattered the most to him and to the readers of Rolling Stone, hear his advice for Hillary and about the road ahead. It was to be the “exit interview,” his tenth cover for Rolling Stone, our fourth interview together. Before flying down to Washington, D.C., on the morning after the ***staggering election results, I called and offered to postpone. This had to be one of the worst days of Obama’s political life, and he hadn’t had a moment to reflect on it, to be angry or to accept it.
    But his office called back; Obama wanted to go ahead with the interview as planned. It was a dull, cloudy day, and the White House was nearly empty when I arrived. It had been a long and unhappy night, and now only a skeleton staff remained. It felt like a funeral…
    Rolling Stone has had a wonderful relationship with Obama over the years…
    We backed him when he was up and when he was down. He viewed Rolling Stone readers as part of his base. A year ago, we went to Alaska with him and toured the melting glaciers. With extraordinary pride, we watched him ride the wave of history…
    Obama greeted me outside his office and walked me in. He was tired. He skipped the usual small talk, took off his jacket, sat in his customary chair and said, “Let’s do this.” He spoke slowly and with precision, staying true to his essential nature: controlled, analytical and cool.”…
    WENNER: I have to start with last night and ask you how you’re feeling about the election of Donald Trump. Could you believe what you were seeing? ***Were you blown away like the rest of us? And how are you feeling now?…
    WENNER: Let me ask you about climate change. Trump says he’s going to pull out of the Paris Agreements. Is that possible?…
    WENNER: Maybe the news business and the newspaper industry, which is being destroyed by Facebook, needs a subsidy so we can maintain a free press?…READ FOR THE ANSWERS IF YOU WISH
    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/obama-on-his-legacy-trumps-win-and-the-path-forward-w452527

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