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CO2 causes cold-hot East-West split climate change in the USA!

Somewhere in the world, a whole town is missing their tea-leaf readers.

The Physics tells us (practical beats us over the head) that more CO2 will mean warmer nights. It is a 97% certified mantra that warm nights are a fingerprint of man-made global warming.*

Well don’t look now, but CO2 causes cold nights too  (and get this… on the East Coast).

Extreme-weather winters are becoming more common in US

Recent years have seen a dramatic increase in the simultaneous occurrence of extremely cold winter days in the Eastern United States and extremely warm winter days in the West, according to a Stanford-led study published in Journal of Geophysical Research Atmospheres. Human-caused emissions of greenhouse gases are likely driving this trend, the researchers report.

 Used to be that single seasons were “weather” and thirty year trends were “science”– now all they need is a single repeated season and half a country:

“Looking back at temperature data from the past 35 years, we’ve found that in fact 2013-2014 and 2014-2015 did have the biggest difference in winter temperature between the East and West.”

This is pretty freaky — can you imagine how smart these guys must be to spot this pattern?  We are talking GCM-Rorschach. Coming soon — record differences from 6 – 9am in Spring mornings in States starting with P.

After that,  alternating hot-cold weather split north-south, oh wait…

Note the standard press release formula

Part I:  Start with two paragraphs of spooky ominous observations.

Part II: it’s onto the mechanism, sorry, the money-request: Mention how we need to understand this better, how this kind of weather costs billions, stretches resources… tick, platitudes, done… “Understanding the physical factors driving extreme weather could provide policymakers with more reliable information…

Part III: wave hands (don’t clap, it’s microagressive) just jazz them. Here’s The Big Evidence:

The Stanford study finds that the occurrence and severity of “warm West, cold East” winter events increased significantly between 1980 and 2015.

…because before 1980 there was a constant 4 billion trendless years.

Look out for the ridge trough pattern as the Moon traverses Jupiter:

This is partly because the winter temperature has warmed more in the West than in the East, increasing the odds that warm days in the West coincide with cold days in the East. Along with  of the West, a “ridge-trough” pattern of high atmospheric pressure in the West and low atmospheric pressure in the East has also been producing greater numbers of winter days on which large areas of the West and East experience extreme temperatures at the same time.

“What we’ve found is that this particular atmospheric configuration connects the cold extremes in the East to the occurrence of warm extremes in the West,” said lead author Deepti Singh,…

And anomalous patterns jumped over the Moon. Weasel words coming:

Despite long-term warming across most of the globe, some regions can experience colder than normal temperatures associated with anomalous circulation patterns that drive cold air from the poles to the mid-latitudes. In fact, circulation patterns that facilitate such extremes are potentially a response to enhanced warming, the study’s authors point out.

Potentially this type of word-salad waffle can fool gullible editors and useful idiot fans.

“Although the occurrence of cold extremes is often used as evidence to dismiss the existence of human-caused global warming, our work shows that the warm West, cool East trend is actually consistent with the influence of human activities that have modified Earth’s climate in recent decades,” Singh said.

Thus does a mere potential become “actually consistent” with the exact opposite of what the models predicted.

PART IV: the get-me-out-of-jail climate soothsayer clause

And the hot-cold thing will probably, maybe, potentially stop anyway (unless it doesn’t):

That said, the simultaneous occurrence of extreme western warmth and extreme eastern cold will likely decrease if global warming continues through the 21st century, because warming of winters in both the West and East will likely reduce the occurrence of cold winters in the East. Still, the researchers project that some extremely cold events will still occur even with high levels of global warming.

We can see the future and it will be “Yes”

“We can absolutely expect further increases in hot events if global warming continues,” Diffenbaugh said. “But our results also highlight how complex climate change can be. We should be prepared for both warm and cold extremes – sometimes simultaneously – now and in the future.”

Climate change could be the greatest incidence of confirmation bias ever recorded in history.

This is grand mal Tasseomancy.  Warmer nights are  not so much a fingerprint of global warming, as a tea-leaf-print.

* (now is not the time to mention that clouds cause warm nights and hot car parks also cause warm nights too).

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127 comments to CO2 causes cold-hot East-West split climate change in the USA!

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    Mark D.

    The global “we just don’t know but how about a guess?

    Then send me more money.

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      Peter Miller

      That’s it.

      No more, no less, that’s what today’s ‘climate science’ is all about: grant addiction.

      In layman’s terms: “I will say or do anything, as long as I can continue to be funded. Please help me, for God’s sake help me, I don’t want to have to do a real job at regular people’s remuneration levels”

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      Another Ian

      There has been a poll of reputable sources of SWAGs with the result that there is a 97% consensus that those from climate science do not meet the standard of reputable SWAGs

      /s shouldn’t be necessary but just in case

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      Albert

      I’ve noticed this year there has been a rainy season in the northern hemisphere and a return to a wet winter in Aus. If it persists for about 30 years we will know if the climate has shifted, I believe it’s all within normal weather and the graph in your link Ron proves it.
      Unfortunately the media shows ad nauseam any heavy weather to convince the believers we are headed for a catastrophic end and I am typing 20 metres under water as sea levels are rising but all beaches are still above water, how can that be ??

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    oldbrew

    Pathetic – that’s the first word that springs to mind for these attempts to claim powers for CO2.

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    Jim

    The date range from 1980 to 2015 was conveniently picked to not have the winter of 1976-77 in the running. It was colder in Michigan than in Anchorage, AK in that winter. I bet the whole winter is colder on the east coast would fall apart if the date range of the study covered the available range of temperature records back to something like 1880, and not just start in 1980.

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      el gordo

      The Klimatariat try to avoid any discussion which goes against their belief system, such as the great climate shift of 1976 or 1879.

      Convenient start points and curve fitting is the name of the game.

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    tom0mason

    Oh no! Panic! There’s frost in the greenhouse…

    “Human-caused emissions of greenhouse gases are likely driving this trend, the researchers report.”

    Is it time to leave the useless greenhouse yet?

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      Rereke Whakaaro

      Our neighbours often get frost on the inside of their greenhouse, in mid to late winter, even though the temperature is in the low to mid twenties celsus. They also have facilities to pump CO2 in as well, except they don’t. The first couple of years they did, but they found that their produce grew very large, but essentially had no taste. A bit like the modern “sustainability” movement, in fact.

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    ren

    This is a visualization of the last ice age using a global ice sheet model with pro-glacial lakes included.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USIAcXfv39k

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    ScotsmaninUtah

    Years upon years of warnings and declared maximums..

    Potentially this type of word-salad waffle can fool gullible editors and useful idiot fans.

    and for those young people without jobs in Italy, Spain , Portugal, Greece, Brazil, Mexico, all of Africa… and on and on

    Betrayal becomes just a word like the ripples in a river everyone has seen …

    Roll on 2017 when we see some serious change in political stance.

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    Glen Michel

    Can I be a climate scientist when I grow up?

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      Yonniestone

      Yes you can……if don’t grow up.

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        Yonniestone

        If YOU don’t grow up….dammit!

        In defence my comment was IPCC peer reviewed….even if they don’t do that…….or acknowledge the scientific method…what do they do again?

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      tom0mason

      First step is to learn these essential 6 steps for perfect statistic projection of the sciency kind.

      After that it’s just simple runes and Ouija board manipulation theory.
      Deepti Singh et al. were star pupils in all these modern modeling methods.

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    tom0mason

    Keeping with Jo’s tea leaf theme, changing –

    That said, the simultaneous occurrence of extreme western warmth and extreme eastern cold will likely decrease if global warming continues through the 21st century, because warming of winters in both the West and East will likely reduce the occurrence of cold winters in the East. Still, the researchers project that some extremely cold events will still occur even with high levels of global warming.

    To the more sensible version…

    That said, the simultaneous occurrence of extreme teapot warmth and extreme milk cold will likely decrease if teatime warming continues through the 21st century, because warming of teapots in both the West and East will likely reduce the occurrence of cold tea in the East. Still, the researchers project that some extremely cold events will still occur even with high levels of global tea drinking.

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    helen

    Feeling this morning that it is harder and harder to find blogs I enjoy reading. Have not heard from Canadian Mark Steyn and now Andrew Bolt is hard to find too. Please stay around JO even though you must be feeling tired sometimes.

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      Rod Stuart

      The BOLTER has a brand new format.

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      clive

      Marks wandering all over the world,at the moment and the Bolta is working with another web format,supposedly to make it better.

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        Ross

        Bolts blog site is now a subscription only site. No pay, no play. Free speech gets more expensive every day, eh?

        [There's no charge here, Ross. Jo puts her own money and that of volunteer contributors into this one to keep it free and all you can come up with is a snide remark?] AZ

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          AndyG55

          RUBBISH !!!

          You are either ignorant or a lying fool.

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          AndyG55

          Its free, I just posted a comment there.

          Cost => $0.00

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            Ross

            Andy: I went to post regarding an article ‘Turnbull takes his revenge’ yesterday with no problems.
            Today I was directed straight to the Tele subscription page. Full stop.
            Have a go at posting on this same article and get back to us.

            If I’m wrong, I accept that I am an ignorant fool, and apologise to Andrew Bolt and the good people at News Corp.

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          Ross

          ????
          Good for Jo.
          I was referring to Andrew Bolts formally free blog site.
          What are you so angry about?

          [Had you not added that last sentence I would have had no problem with it and would not comment. You'll notice that I approved it because it did have something useful to say.] AZ

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          Ross

          Just tried again, Andy @ 4.38pm. Saturday. Andrew Bolt Blog, Re; “Turnbull takes his revenge”.
          Was once again met with;
          ‘Only subscribers get access to our premium features and articles’.
          I think they want my money, Andy.

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    el gordo

    During the warm epoch of late last century the jet stream behaved admirably, but now its gone all wobbly and that is why winters in the US sometimes divide the nation.

    Its common knowledge that a strong El Nino produces little snowfall in the US (correct me if I’m wrong) and presumably the opposite is true with La Nina.

    So this US North East winter should experience heavy snowfall and freezing conditions if the NAO remains negative.

    http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/precip/CWlink/pna/nao_index.html

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      el gordo

      Correction: Even in strong El Nino years the northeast US can still get cold air outbreaks (CAO).

      http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/02/blast-winter-visits-northeast-160206094044870.html

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      Pierre DM

      The problem with old people is that they have lived enough history to recognize repeating patterns and as a result build up a big BS meter. That said I have lived my entire life within a stones throw on one of the Great Lakes in the USA’s Midwest region. Lake Superior, Lake Michigan and Lake Erie. The winter of 1968 and 1969 were very similar to the winters of 2013 and 2014.

      That said I do believe that warming as such contributes to a meridial jetstream flow that causes warmer temperatures in the west and colder temperatures in the east and Midwest USA. Warm SST anomalies in the north eastern Pacific ocean near the coast of Alaska and British Columbia appears to causes high pressure to move eastward over the Rocky Mountains and low pressures to form over the upper great lakes and Canada promoting a meridial flow of arctic air far south into the eastern half of the USA.

      Now its easy if you except the meme about CO2 being the driver of global warming to make the man made anthropogenic connection, it just fits. I don’t accept the meme and see very little connection in real data between CO2 and temperature.

      What is eerie is that the extreme cold air almost perfectly outlines the extent of the laurentide ice sheet from the last glaciation period. Makes you wonder if a gradually warming northeastern Pacific ocean isn’t the eventual trigger for an ice age.

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        el gordo

        ‘Warm SST anomalies in the north eastern Pacific ocean near the coast of Alaska and British Columbia appears to causes high pressure to move eastward …’

        The recent strong El Nino killed the warm blob, so it may have been an anomaly. More likely a very negative North Atlantic Oscillation is the trigger for increasing balance.

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        ren

        Abstract
        In this work we study links between low cloud anomalies (LCA) at middle latitudes of the Northern and Southern hemispheres and galactic cosmic ray (GCR) variations used as a proxy of solar variability on the decadal time scale. It was shown that these links are not direct, but realized through GCR/solar activity phenomena influence on the development of extratropical baric systems (cyclones and troughs) which form cloud field. The violation of a positive correlation between LCA and GCR intensity which was observed in the 1980s–1990s occurred simultaneously in the Northern and Southern hemispheres in the early 2000s and coincided with the sign reversal of GCR effects on troposphere circulation. It was suggested that a possible reason for the correlation reversal between cyclonic activity at middle latitudes and GCR fluxes is the change of the stratospheric polar vortex intensity which influences significantly the troposphere-stratosphere coupling. The evidences for a noticeable weakening of the polar vortices in the Arctic and Antarctic stratosphere in the early 2000s are provided. The results obtained suggest an important role of the polar vortex evolution as a reason for a temporal variability of solar activity effects on the lower atmosphere.
        http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1364682616300979

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        el gordo

        Here is an animation of the blob’s development, which contributed to the Californian drought.

        https://bobtisdale.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/animation-12.gif

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        ren

        Conclusions
        The results of this study allow to make the following
        conclusions:
        1)The links between cloud cover anomalies and GCR
        fluxes observed on the decadal time scale are not
        direct. At middle latitudes they are realized through
        GCR effects on the development of extratropical
        baric systems (cyclones and troughs) which form
        cloud fields.
        2)A high positive correlation between low cloud
        anomalies and GCRs in the period 1983-2000 results
        from a high positive correlation between cyclonic
        activity and GCRs which takes place under the
        conditions of a strong stratospheric polar vortex.
        3)The violation of a positive correlation LCA-GCR in
        the early 2000s seems to be due to the transition of
        the polar vortex to its weak state which resulted in
        the reversal of GCR effects on the troposphere
        dynamics.
        4)The polar vortex evolution is of significant
        importance for solar-atmospheric links. Its
        modulating effect should be taken into account
        when interpreting correlations between lower
        atmosphere characteristics and solar activity
        phenomena.
        http://newserver.stil.bas.bg/SUNGEO/00SGArhiv/SG_v10_No1_2015-pp-51-58.pdf

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        Albert

        There’s no model that fits an ice age, the fact remains we don’t understand them. There’s a powerful clockwise wind around the South Pole https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/orthographic=-198.55,-91.01,414/loc=-49.202,-85.553
        If this wind breaks its boundary, we will see freezing in the Southern Hemisphere, never before seen, but probably not a Global ice age
        During the last decade, there’s been a Northern Polar vortex that has frozen a lot of Canada and Northern Europe, freezing ice on trees and power poles, this seems to be a normal weather event that we see infrequently and some Scientists can predict when it will happen, it’s not climate change, it’s a normal cycle of weather

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    TdeF

    Interesting, Global Warming does not change the average temperature, but increases the extremes, warmer days and colder nights? How?
    This is a a very devious way to get around the fact that the predictions are completely wrong, so why should anything else be right? Tesseomancy indeed, tea leaf reading.

    Is this Noah Diffenbaugh?
    Ph.D., University of California, Santa Cruz, Earth Sciences (2003)
    M.S., Stanford University, Earth Systems (1997)
    B.S., Stanford University, Earth Systems (1997)

    Foundation, Breadth, and Core Courses

    EARTHSYS 10 – Introduction to Earth Systems – Multidisciplinary approach using the principles of geology, biology, engineering, and economics to describe how the Earth operates as an interconnected, integrated system. Goal is to understand global change on all time scales. Focus is on sciences, technological principles, and sociopolitical approaches applied to solid earth, oceans, water, energy, and food and population. Case studies: environmental degradation, loss of biodiversity, and resource sustainability.
    EARTHSYS 111 – Biology and Global Change -The biological causes and consequences of anthropogenic and natural changes in the atmosphere, oceans, and terrestrial and freshwater ecosystems. Topics: glacial cycles and marine circulation, greenhouse gases and climate change, tropical deforestation and species extinctions, and human population growth and resource use. P
    EARTHSYS 112 – Human Society and Environmental Change. Interdisciplinary approaches to understanding human-environment interactions with a focus on economics, policy, culture, history, and the role of the state.
    EARTHSYS 210 A/B/C – Senior Capstone and Reflection
    EARTHSYS 210P – Earth Systems Capstone Project
    EARTHSYS 260 – Internship
    EARTHSYS 200 – WIM course

    This looks like a seminary for Global Warming, Climate Change and Gaia. Seems you can get a PhD in anything these days, but we knew that.

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    Yonniestone

    But our results also highlight how complex climate change can be. We should be prepared for both warm and cold extremes – sometimes simultaneously – now and in the future.”

    Warning: Ambiguous retreating language may be interpreted as accepting defeat and highly hypocritical.

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      John F. Hultquist

      “… be prepared for both warm and cold extremes …”

      This seems eminently wiser than trying to control the future with subtractions or additions of CO2 to the atmosphere. But maybe I missed something.

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    PeterS

    So we can’t call them global warming alarmists anymore. Since they now use any excuse under the Sun (but not including it) to blame the changing global weather from one extreme to the other, can we call them global extremists?

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      Rereke Whakaaro

      I am not sure. Global Extremists sounds an awful lot like International Terrorists. Do we really want to give the terrorists a bad name?

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    Robert Rosicka

    I have been studying the affects of climate change in my area of north east Victoria now for 10 years and the results are terrifying and a wake up call to all non believers .
    What I have found is that in winter it’s usually wet and in summer it’s usually dry .
    Adding to this there is more cold days in winter than in summer because of the increase in Co2 emissions .
    What’s needed is a multi faceted study into this phenomenon requiring vast input from various scientific fields such as fortune telling and soothsaying , I estimate costs will be in the range of 2 billion for me to finish my research .

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    The way to get colder winter days but (much) warmer winter nights around here is to have lots of cloud cover. Check out all those high minima readings in freakishly wet winters like 1950 in Eastern Oz. Think my region’s warmest winter by minimum was actually warm? The bloody sun hardly showed its face in winter 1950!

    Which is why drawing conclusions from old min/max readings is bunk.

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    Another Ian

    This seems to fit on a thread like this one

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/09/02/urbane-legends/

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    Geoff Sherrington

    Hi Jo,
    This is you,Jo at your journalistic best. One to bookmark.
    How can it be that the paid experts representing Australia in climate science seldom if ever report on this low level of climate science quality by colleagues in the Establishment?
    It will be interesting times when the inevitible message sinks in that the experts have been paid to support the unsupportable.
    Interesting, when they start to write reviews of papers like you have done here.
    Geoff

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    Geoff Sherrington

    Hi Jo,
    This is you,Jo at your journalistic best. One to bookmark.
    How can it be that the paid experts representing Australia in climate science seldom if ever report on this low level of climate science quality by colleagues in the Establishment?
    It will be interesting times when the inevitible message sinks in that the experts have been paid to support the unsupportable.
    Interesting, when they start to write reviews of papers like you have done here.
    Geoff

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    Bartender

    “Although the occurrence of cold extremes is often used as evidence to dismiss the existence of human-caused global warming, our work shows that the warm West, cool East trend is actually consistent with the influence of human activities that have modified Earth’s climate in recent decades,” Singh said.

    Forget the solar, lunar and cosmic forces coming in from terrestrial space. Forget the ocean’s heat content, they are all unimportant the lefties don’t care to take any notice of really, just petty stuff.

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    Ruairi

    The warmists will twist and construe,
    All our weather to blame CO2,
    Giving useless insights,
    On cold days and warm nights,
    And expect to get paid for it too.

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    Kratoklastes

    Although I firmly believe we must stamp out tasseomancy mercilessly, it seems to me that AGW Cultists is better characterised as chresmomancy or scatomancy (because the heads of the chresmomancers are often full of stuff that is useful to the work of scatomancers).

    If you really want predictive accuracy, you need tyromancers. The best tyromancers are easy to identify: they are the ones who always predict a cheese toastie (or some other food arrangement involving cheese).

    I confess that I’m biased on this, because I’ve been cursed by the gift of tyromancy since childhood.

    Often I will open the fridge, and literally within seconds of laying eyes on the cheese, I see myself in the future – eating a tomato, cheese and onion toastie. It’s uncanny – often the visions are realised within 5 or 10 minutes.

    The only times I have ever been wrong is when we have been out of ‘square’ bread. Even then, that only delays the reality of the prediction.

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    handjive

    To borrow a question from thepointman:

    “If Global Warming means both warmer and colder weather simultaneously, how do you know when it’s fixed?”
    ~ ~ ~
    Michael Mann blames droughts & floods on carbon (sic):

    Devastating Floods in Louisiana Are the Sign of Things to Come
    . . .
    Note that IPCC SREX does NOT support the drought/flood propaganda:

    page 6

    There is medium confidence that some regions of the world have experienced more intense and longer droughts, in particular in southern Europe and West Africa, but in some regions droughts have become less frequent, less intense, or shorter, for example, in central North America and northwestern Australia. [3.5.1]

    There is limited to medium evidence available to assess climate-driven observed changes in the magnitude and frequency of floods at regional scales because the available instrumental records of floods at gauge stations are limited in space and time, and because of confounding effects of changes in land use and engineering.

    Furthermore, there is low agreement in this evidence, and thus overall low confidence at the global scale regarding even the sign of these changes. [3.5.2]

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      el gordo

      Its quite obvious nobody has a clue.

      Northwestern Australia is dependent on the monsoon annual wet and dry, I’m unaware of any drought.

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    Alice Thermopolis

    Hey Jo

    Do like the way you deconstruct this stuff. Long overdue. Peers out to lunch with their pals.

    Alice

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    pat

    i still have serious security probs visiting WUWT, but managed to get this much, which shows Anthony has been on to Diffenbaugh for a while:

    Apr 2016: WUWT: Another Diffenbaugh Claim: California drought patterns becoming more common
    Noah Diffenbaugh of Stanford is a well-known source of papers claiming alarming things about weather and climate. He churns out a paper about 2-3 times a year, with the typical bent of climate change is causing “X”. This one is no different. A few caveats…
    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/04/02/another-diffenbaugh-claim-california-drought-patterns-becoming-more-common/

    2013: WUWT: The ‘Diffenbaugh Delusion’ – refuted with a single graph of temperature
    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/09/05/the-diffenbaugh-delusion-refuted-with-a-single-graph-of-temperature/

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    Olaf Koenders

    They’ve swallowed their own feet by professing that CO2 causes both hot and cold conditions. When the new Maunder begins to weigh in, CAGWists can no longer claim that their draconian practices have fixed the weather and need to maintain them. It will only get more ridiculous.

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      tom0mason

      Olaf Koenders,

      But there is a way they might claim the faux moral high ground.

      The ‘We fooled you for your own good.’ defense –

      ‘We had to fake the global warming to stop you all burning up the precious fuel before the cold set in.
      See if we told you the truth no one would believe us, so hand over all your money and we’ll let you have a drop of oil. Now get out of the way or I’ll miss my flight. Driver, drive on.’

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        Olaf Koenders

        Haha.. Well, if they’re going to blatantly admit their fakery, I can foresee a nice and cosy blanket of class-action lawsuit wrapped around them, made of synthetics of course. That should keep ‘em comfy.

        The problem is, the CAGWist dogma has allowed for the creation of policies in view of warming, which is entirely unhelpful in the face of it going the other way, or remaining relatively stable. The Victorian desalination plant advocated for by Flim-Flam and his squeals of endless drought being a case in point. In mothballs now, it may never come online and do some useful work. Victorian householders who paid for it (all Victorians) should be fuming.

        Although the insulation scheme was of some benefit for poor households that couldn’t otherwise afford it, the well-heeled benefited also, by doubling their insulation for free. Evidence being the 3 layers of insulation I have in my house already installed when I bought it long after the scheme was dumped.

        Although it might have created jobs, the entire scheme was a hell of a rort, with not only small children doing the work but some workers being killed in the process. Such fond memories of Green policy functioning as it always does.

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          Analitik

          Don’t worry. We Victorians who aren’t inner city greens are right royally pissed with Misters Bracks and Flannery for the Wonthaggi white elephant.

          Dan Andrews has stepped up to continue the stupid levels of waste as well with the 40% renewable electricity target eing imposed with zero public consultation. And the defections from the CFA as a result of the forced unionisation will setup up an inferno of a bushfire season which will then be presented as proof for global warming.

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    pat

    found this link at ClimateDepot:

    2 Sept: MyNorthWest, Seattle: Dori is not expecting to resume role for Bill Nye the Science Guy
    by Eric Mandel
    It’s a good thing KIRO Radio’s Dori Monson has a plan for life after radio because he’s doubtful that an invitation to reprise his role on the new Bill Nye the Science Guy show is on its way.
    Dori launched his acting career on the legendary kids show more than 20 years ago, appearing on several episodes as sportscaster Lance Yardstick. He played the sidekick to former fellow KING-TV personality Pat Cashman, who played Timmy Ticker…

    Nye’s 90s-nostalgic persona has regained steamed over the past few years, having published two books and frequently being the face of science in debates against climate change and evolution deniers. Dori said he’s no longer in contact with Bill Nye and, therefore, wasn’t told about “The Science Guy” coming back via a new Netflix series called “Bill Nye Saves the World,” which is set to premiere next spring.

    Since Dori, a climate-change skeptic, does not exactly see eye-to-eye with some of Nye’s stances, he’s not holding his breath for a call.
    “Bill was very, very good to me when I did all those episodes of his show, but, boy, if somebody questions global warming these days …” Dori said. “I don’t think he’d let me on his show now in 2016. I’ve burned every bridge there is.”…
    http://mynorthwest.com/382851/dori-is-not-expecting-to-resume-role-for-bill-nye-the-science-guy/

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    pat

    is this really ratification…or a proposal to “review” & maybe ratify? who knows?

    3 Sept: Xinhua: China’s legislature ratifies Paris Agreement on climate change
    Lawmakers voted to adopt “the proposal to ***REVIEW and ratify the Paris Agreement,” at the closing meeting of the week-long bimonthly session of the National People’s Congress Standing Committee…
    http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2016-09/03/c_135656275.htm

    2 Sept: BBC: China ratifies Paris climate agreement
    China’s top legislature has ratified the Paris global climate agreement, state news agency Xinhua reports.
    The country is the world’s largest emitter of harmful CO2 emissions, which cause climate change.
    China and the US are expected to jointly announce ratification at a bilateral summit later on Saturday…
    ***Members of China’s National People’s Congress Standing Committee adopted “the proposal to ***REVIEW and ratify the Paris Agreement” on Saturday morning at the end of a week-long session…
    When the US – the world’s second-largest emitter – follows China’s lead, it will bump the tally up to 40%…
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-37265541

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      Mari C

      And wanting to leave a legacy, a name forever to be remembered, our prez and wanna-be eco warrior will at least attempt to ratify the damnable thing.
      And his name will be remembered, but for all the wrong reasons, if he does.
      I am hoping that the reports on China’s ratification are hopeful guesses on the part of the MSM. They’ve been wrong before.

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    pat

    MSM seems strangely uninterested in this Obama lovefest in tropical Hawaii. China rules again!

    2 Sept: IPS News Agency: Guy Dinmore: Dire Warnings But Also Hope as IUCN Environmental Congress Opens
    HONOLULU, Hawaii: A congress billed as the world’s largest ever to focus on the environment has opened to warnings that our planet is at a “tipping point” but also with expressions of hope that governments, civil society and big business are learning to work together.
    The 10-day IUCN World Conservation Congress hosted by the United States in Hawaii has brought together 9,500 participants from 192 countries and communities, IUCN Director-General Inger Andersen told reporters…
    Although they might not carry the weight of international law, the findings of the IUCN have gone on to form the basis of legislation in member states and international bodies…

    ***IUCN president Zhang Xinsheng, a senior Chinese politician and former senior UN official, set the tone of collaboration by praising U.S. President Barack Obama for establishing the world’s largest nature sanctuary – more than half a million square miles – in the waters and islands of the northwest Hawaiian archipelago…
    Palau’s President Tommy Remengesau was given rock star acclaim at the congress for his pioneering environmental policies proving that small nations can make a difference. Remengesau in turn praised Obama…

    Erik Solheim, head of the UN Environment Programme, noted the warnings that mankind is destroying its only home but went on to dwell on the progress being made…
    As for Obama and his marine reserve, Solheim simply said, “How much we will miss this president when he leaves office.”…
    An Ocean Warming report is to be launched on Sep. 5.
    http://www.ipsnews.net/2016/09/dire-warnings-but-also-hope-as-iucn-environmental-congress-opens/

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      ROM

      So the question then asked is; How much of the planets “scarce” resources were completely and deliberately and wantonly destroyed just to get, keep and then return home 9500 participants to this World Conservation Conference.

      Of course now that they are there, if they just kept them there, all of them, every damn one of them for the total duration, the rest of the world could just get on with getting on with life without constant interference from another bunch of ignorant and pushy nosies, inept busybodies, bloody minded hypocritical retard activists, lame duck as always from the neck up presidents, constantly drowning island presidents who still seem to be able to find enough dry land to get access to an aircraft and then fly to any and every fly blown environmental p–s up that the tax payer can be shanghaied and squeezed to pay for all over again.
      All that with no visible benefit of any sort at any level to man, beast, tapeworms, blowflies or lice and etc.

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      diogenese2

      The MSM and the green blob also seem strangely uninterested in another aspect of conservation which was also mentioned at this gathering.

      http://www.survivalinternational.org/news/11396

      9500 participants to Hawaii from 192 countries – obviously almost none close by, I wonder what their “carbon footprint – or flightprint – was? Why so many? Oh – I forgot the “environmental tipping point” which puts into perspective trivial issues like the Islamic Civil war, the destitution of most of the Southern Hemisphere and the 65 million people currently displaced from their homeplace.

      http://www.unhcr.org/uk/figures-at-a-glance.html

      “Erik Solheim, head of the UN Environment Programme, noted the warnings that mankind is destroying its only home but went on to dwell on the progress being made…
      As for Obama and his marine reserve, Solheim simply said, “How much we will miss this president when he leaves office.”…”

      I expect that amongst the half a million square miles there are some pretty nice retirement homes which will now be undisturbed by tourists.

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    el gordo

    ‘It wasn’t a surprise for me that I identified Lunar Perigee Pulses as the source of Kelvin Waves, given that I already had identified Lunar Perigee Pulses as a main driver of ENSO. What I can’t understand is that nobody, as far as I know, have identified Strong tidal pulses as possible sources of Kelvin Waves.’

    Per Strandberg

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    1 Sept: MorningConsult: Jack Fitzpatrick: Inhofe: China, Congress Won’t Follow Through With Paris Agreement
    If the U.S. and China ratify the Paris climate agreement during President Obama’s visit with Chinese President Xi Jinping, Americans should be wary of China’s promises, Senate Environment and Public Works Chairman Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.) said in a statement Thursday…
    China “is permitted to increase their emissions until 2025 and to continue bringing a coal-fired power plant online every 10 days,” Inhofe said in a statement. “We even turn a blind eye to the fact that China lied about its carbon emissions when it first came to the table with its pledge last year.”…
    “This latest announcement is the president attempting to once again give the international community the appearance that he can go around Congress in order to achieve his unpopular and widely rejected climate agenda for his legacy,” Inhofe said.
    https://morningconsult.com/alert/inhofe-china-congress-wont-follow-paris-agreement/

    29 Aug: LawfareBlog: Is the Paris Agreement on Climate Change a Legitimate Exercise of the Executive Agreement Power?
    By David A. Wirth
    (David A. Wirth is Professor of Law at Boston College Law School. He is former Attorney-Adviser for Oceans and International Environmental and Scientific Affairs in the Office of the Legal Adviser of the State Department, where he had principal responsibility for all international environmental issues. David a graduate of the Yale Law School…and is a life member of the Council on Foreign Relations)
    Even the most cursory review of the text of the Paris Agreement discloses a careful, purposeful alternation between the mandatory “shall”—indicating a binding obligation governed by international law—and the hortatory “should”—non-binding statements of strictly political intent without legal force…
    This preference for a non-binding mode is part of a pattern in negotiations undertaken by the Obama Administration, which has the effect of avoiding the creation of internationally legally binding obligations altogether…

    The Executive Branch has indicated its intention to cement President Obama’s climate legacy by submitting its instrument of acceptance for the Paris Agreement by the end of this year. As of this writing, that has not occurred. But even if it does, the U.S.’s crucial emissions reduction undertaking is still only a non-binding aspiration not governed by international law.
    ***As far as this and other non-binding goals articulated under the Paris Agreement, President Donald Trump, who has voiced scepticism about anthropogenic climate change, need not go through a formal withdrawal process, as required by the Agreement and international law. Instead, he need only say, “The United States changed its mind.” …
    https://www.lawfareblog.com/paris-agreement-climate-change-legitimate-exercise-executive-agreement-power

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    sophocles

    After that, alternating hot-cold weather split north-south, oh wait…

    So if Central Park NY has a heat wave which browns all the grass and JFK International Airport lands jets on the frozen over Hudson River at the same time, then I might consider changing an opinion or two.

    A passenger jet has already landed in the Hudson (nobody drowned) but it wasn’t frozen over then and Central Park wasn’t having a heat wave.

    Needs more Magic … :-)

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    “The Physics tells us (practical beats us over the head) that more CO2 will mean warmer nights.” What physics.. they must be in a different universe..This one has laws that dont agree with that. Wheres the evidence in real data? Wheres the paper?

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    ROM

    In her last few posts Jo ably assisted by her razorous commenting gang has certainly given an unsolicited and no doubt unwelcome going over to what must be some of the most inane and inept and down right snake oil level climate science papers doing the MSM rounds at the moment.

    The no doubt unanticipated by Jo, side effects is that she has probably quadrupled the numbers who will read [ "some of " perhaps, until they run out of "believability"! ] these purported climate science papers.

    Academics Write Papers Arguing Over How Many People Read (And Cite) Their Papers [ march 2014 ]

    There are a lot of scientific papers out there. One estimate puts the count at 1.8 million articles published each year, in about 28,000 journals. Who actually reads those papers?
    According to one 2007 study, not many people: half of academic papers are read only by their authors and journal editors, the study’s authors write.
    &
    In the 2007 study, the authors introduce their topic by noting that “as many as 50% of papers are never read by anyone other than their authors, referees and journal editors.”
    They also claim that 90 percent of papers published are never cited.
    [ edit ; probably understandably so if the current crop of climate alarmist papers are any indication.]

    Some academics are unsurprised by these numbers. “I distinctly remember focusing not so much on the hyper-specific nature of these research topics, but how it must feel as an academic to spend so much time on a topic so far on the periphery of human interest,” writes Aaron Gordon at Pacific Standard. “Academia’s incentive structure is such that it’s better to publish something than nothing,” he explains, even if that something is only read by you and your reviewers.

    But with an “estimated” [ "estimated" Again! ] 28,000 Journals out there competing for papers I guess editors do get desperate at times for some type of sciency looking fillers of some sort.
    Not sure that the above climate paper plus a few others highlighted by Jo in the immediate past would pass as “sciency” looking fillers under any circumstances except under a you scratch my back and I’ll scratch yours “Pal” review.

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      Olaf Koenders

      I would posit that, even if estimated, the vast majority of those “sciency” papers are milled out by rent-seeking climate change advocates making busy to keep their jobs. Not just purely “climate change causes x”, but social and health studies NOT using climate change are pushing papers to keep their jobs.

      Seems to be the way science is done these days. No real research required, just a paper to show you’re doing something. In climate science though, it appears that any lie is fair game.

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    Gary Meyers

    I’ve always held Stanford University in such high regard for their lofty academic standards. I will have to re-think this upon examination.

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    TdeF

    I just realised the pseudo science which best fits this sort of entrail reading, tea leaf reading waffle. Astrology. Today things will go up and they will go down.

    Anyway the Telegraph just announced that Obama and China just ratified the Paris agreement. So Obama will leave his legacy of crippling Western democracy as much as possible and China is the beneficiary, promising very solemnly to keep generating as much CO2 as they require until 2030 while demanding cash compensation for what they call the ‘historic’ pollution of the West. All to the cheers of the believers in Astrology and those who seek to bring down Western democracies and there are many, mainly in the UN.

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    2 Sept: Financial Times: Pilita Clark: EU a potential stumbling block for Paris climate change deal
    The EU is shaping up to be a potential stumbling block as countries around the world scramble to make the Paris climate change agreement “Trump-proof” ahead of the US presidential election in November.
    That figure is expected to rise to 26 countries with 39.06 per cent of emissions after this weekend’s G20 summit in the Chinese city of Hangzhou, where China and the US, the world’s two biggest emitters, are expected to announce their intention to join.
    The quickest way to reach the required threshold would be swift ratification by the EU, the third-largest emitter, after which only a handful of other countries would then need to act.
    The EU’s 28 members, which account for 12.08 per cent of global emissions, have been a driving force in the protracted UN talks that produced the Paris agreement. They have also been the home of pioneering climate policies such as ***the world’s largest carbon market…
    The European Commission suggested in June that it could in effect ratify on member countries’ behalf, through a European Council decision, rather than waiting for all 28 states to act separately. But a number of countries are understood to be wary of the precedent this could set, preferring to join individually first.
    Some analysts say this will make it hard for the Paris agreement to take effect this year, even after the expected G20 announcement this weekend by Barack Obama, US president, and Xi Jinping, his Chinese counterpart…
    Others say there is still a strong chance of pushing the agreement over the line without the EU, if countries such as India, Japan, Australia and several others act quickly…
    A spokeswoman for the European Commission said the EU was determined to ratify and implement the pact swiftly…
    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1afa9a80-7126-11e6-9ac1-1055824ca907.html

    ***2 Sept: CarbonPulse: EU Market: EUAs drop to 3-year low after normal auction supply resumes
    EU carbon fell below €4 to its lowest for three years on Friday following the first regular-sized auction after a month of supply at well under half of average levels…

    2 Sept: CarbonPulse: CARBON FORWARD: Brexit doubts leave EU ETS in limbo
    Britain’s June referendum in favour of exiting the EU had an immediate and sustained effect on EU ETS prices and left hundreds of installations unsure of their future in the scheme.

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    3 Sept: ShanghaiDaily: Xinhua: China’s legislature ratifies Paris Agreement on climate change
    “Ratifying the agreement is conducive to China’s development interests,” and it will also help the country “play a bigger role in ***global climate governance,” according to the proposal…
    Countries still have one year to ink the agreement as it is open for signatures until April 21, 2017.
    http://www.shanghaidaily.com/nation/Chinas-legislature-ratifies-Paris-Agreement-on-climate-change/shdaily.shtml

    3 Sept: Deutsche Welle: US, China ratify Paris climate change deal
    by bik,jm/sms (Reuters, AP, AFP, dpa)
    At a ceremony on the sidelines of the Group of 20 summit in China on Saturday, US President Barack Obama and Chinese President Xi Jinping delivered documents to UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon entering their countries into the pact.
    China’s National People’s Congress adopted “the proposal to review and ratify the Paris Agreement,” according to the state-run Xinhua news agency. Xi called the agreement a milestone that marked the ***”emergence of a global government system” for climate change…
    Since it is an executive agreement, rather than a treaty, Obama can sign it without needing a vote from Congress, which would, in all likelihood, reject it…
    The Paris agreement set ambitious goals for capping global warming and ***funneling trillions of dollars to poor countries facing an onslaught of climate damage.
    http://www.dw.com/en/us-china-ratify-paris-climate-change-deal/a-19524322

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    3 Sept: CCTV: China-Paris Agreement/Xi/Obama
    Taking advantage of implementing the Paris Agreement, the international community should make greater efforts to improve ***global governance mechanism and innovate relevant actions, so as to facilitate the full operation of the agreement, the president said.
    Developed countries should honor their commitments and provide financial and technological support to developing countries and enhance their capability in climate actions, Xi said.
    China, a responsible developing country and an active player in ***global climate governance, will implement its development concepts of innovative, coordinated, green, open and shared growth, fully advance energy conservation, emission reduction and low-carbon development, and embrace the new era of ecological civilization, he (Chinese President Xi Jinping) said…
    http://newscontent.cctv.com/NewJsp/news.jsp?fileId=373208

    3 Sept: Washington Times: Dave Boyer: Obama, Chinese president ratify climate-change agreement
    Deliberately sidestepping Congress, President Obama formally entered the U.S. into an international climate-change agreement Saturday with China and dozens of other nations to limit greenhouse gas emissions…
    Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump has said he would cancel the agreement if elected. Mr. Deese said despite opposition by Mr. Trump and by many Republicans in Congress, there is “broad support” among the public and the business community for an international climate agreement…
    Myron Ebell, director of the Center for Energy and Environment at the conservative Competitive Enterprise Institute, said the Senate should make it clear that the agreement “will have no force or effect until such time as it is ratified by the Senate.”
    “Then the Congress should prohibit any funding for the Paris Climate Treaty, the Green Climate Fund, and the underlying UN Framework Convention on Climate Change,” Mr. Ebell said. “Finally, if the Obama administration ignores the Congress, the Senate should take up and vote on ratification of the Paris Climate Treaty.”…
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/sep/3/obama-xi-ratify-climate-change-agreement/

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    pat

    veteran reporter, David Olive, at the CAGW-infested Toronto Star, is not impressed by China taking a lead on “global governance”!

    2 Sept: Toronto Star: David Olive: China’s record dims the glow around the G-20 summit
    Despite the praise from starry-eyed optimists, the world’s most populous country is still a police state
    The West’s naivete about China shines through in a recent Brookings Institution advance report on the G-20 summit scheduled for Sunday and Monday.
    A well-organized summit is “a uniquely high-profile occasion for China to illustrate that it is indispensable to an effective, ***progressive global governance system,” said the elite Washington, D.C.-based think tank earlier this week…
    “The Hangzhou summit is an opportunity for China to project to leaders of G-20 countries – and to the world – that it takes ***global governance seriously,” Brookings says…
    Xia Baolong, Communist Party chief for Zhejiang province, of which the G-20 site of Hangzhou is the capital, told the New York Times this week that the summit will “demonstrate. . . the ***immense superiority of socialism with Chinese characteristics.”
    That’s an odd boast for a country that ranks a woeful 90th on the UN’s Human Development Index (HDI)…
    The CPC continues to build new coal-fired power plants, even though emissions from existing ones kill an estimated 4,000 Chinese per day…
    And this is the arrogance of China when it is in the spotlight, during an image-polishing extravaganza where 20 world leaders will be cossetted by 760,000 volunteers. (The Rio Olympics got by with 50,000.)…
    https://www.thestar.com/business/2016/09/02/chinas-record-dims-the-glow-around-the-g-20-summit-olive.html

    3 Sept: Sky News: Katie Stallard: Chinese City’s G20 Summit Makeover … And Why It Won’t Last
    A holiday has been declared in Hangzhou, emptying factories and building sites to ensure clean air for the meeting.
    So why all the fuss and the billions of renminbi, you might wonder, for what is technically a two-day meeting about the global economy?
    To be clear, China does want progress on global economic governance from the G20, but for President Xi Jinping, this is about power – both at home and abroad…
    Similarly, when you see the images of presidents Xi and Obama sitting down together, the subtext, the message China would like you to take from this, will be that this is a meeting of equals – arguably the two most powerful men in the world embracing their new major power relationship.
    In the Chinese narrative, this is a meeting of the rising and the established world powers – or perhaps, as they might prefer to see it, the fading and the future superpowers…
    So expect it to look perfect, expect China’s G20 to be hailed a resounding success, and expect the traffic and pollution to return on Tuesday.
    http://news.sky.com/story/china-clears-the-streets-ahead-of-g20-summit-10563196

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    Richard

    Thought you might all enjoy this-
    Archive footage of two subs at the north pole back in 1962- note the open water at end of clip-

    http://www.britishpathe.com/video/atom-subs-meet-at-north-pole

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      Roy Hogue

      I enjoyed the short video.

      I remember some similar pictures from about that time that were posted by someone who had been a crew member aboard one of the subs. Interestingly he said that the North Pole where they first surfaced was ice free, as shown by his pictures and they later had to search for some ice elsewhere to punch up through for the PR shots. I expect it was thought not believable that the North Pole could be ice free in March when the pictures were taken. It seems that it’s unbelievable that the Arctic can be ice free anywhere at any time in these days of global warming.

      In 1962 there was no GPS which we take so much for granted these days but they could determine location quite accurately using inertial guidance systems and I’ve no doubt that they were exactly at the North Pole. Those same systems worked well enough to get us to the moon and back but they seem primitive now that GPS is in every new automobile.

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    a better view of the open water at the North pole back in 1962-

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESK8a0lcemI

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    Albert

    On the news tonight was Obama and all media calling it carbon pollution and not carbon dioxide emissions. How can our children learn when our leaders can not be honest with the truth

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    Ronald

    SERIOUSLY OFF TOPIC:
    Listening to Karbon Kate on ABC/RN bleating on Climate Change and referring to Carbon Intensity.
    What is “Carbon Intensity”?
    Google shows this as CO2/$US of GDP for a given Country.
    BUT so far unable to really find sufficient to satisfy as to why this parameter?
    I’ll wager it puts Australia to some great disadvantage as the use of totally irrelevant per capita figs once did.
    Jo any chance of a blog on this topic – and my apologies for going OT.

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