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In 2009: Warming would stop 2020 Olympics. Now disaster moved to 2084

In 2009: The 2016 Rio Games predicted be the last

Global warming could make 2016 Games ‘the last Olympics in the history of mankind’, says Tokyo governor.

“Global warming is getting worse. We have to come up with measures without which Olympic Games could not last long.

“Scientists have said we have passed the point of no return,” said Ishihara.

August 2016: The 2080 Games predicted to be the last

Move that disaster by 60 years:

“A sobering new study shows that by the 2084 Olympics, rising temperatures will make it practically impossible for most cities to host the summer games.

How will the Olympics cope with a 1.5C rise?

Answer, easily. Assuming the world warms, the IOC could shift games a whole 400km from Rio, where the average max is 28C in August to  Sao Paulo where it’s 3 degrees cooler. Or they could shift the timing by all of eight weeks. If Moscow held the Olympics in September instead of July the event could survive an apocalyptic nine degree future rise. (Moscow in July has a 24C average max temperature, by September that has fallen to 15C average.)

The government funded 97%-groupthink scientists are allowed to get away with this (they might deny they predicted the death of the Olympics, but did any of them speak out against the frivolous scare?).

Other doom-mongers are not so lucky:

2011: Man fined for dud doomsday warning

“Wang Chao-hung, better known as “Teacher Wang”, stirred up a media frenzy after he “predicted” a giant quake and tsunami would hit Taiwan on May 11, urging people to move into makeshift shelters converted from cargo containers.

Mr Wang later claimed that his remarks were misinterpreted by journalists when the catastrophe failed to materialise, but he was convicted by a district court in Nantou, central Taiwan, of spreading socially disruptive rumours.”

Thanks to Handjive for the inspiration and  links.

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207 comments to In 2009: Warming would stop 2020 Olympics. Now disaster moved to 2084

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    I wouldn’t have been concerned if 2016 were the last Olympic games. They’ve become more like the EU or the UN, massive expenditure for little gain.

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      RobK

      It’s more likely any “last Olympics” will be due to social and economic imperatives, graft, corruption and cost over runs that bleed the host nation dry.

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        Albert

        If the predicted cold spell arrives due to clean sun with no sunspots, they may have winter olympics every 2 years

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      AndyG55

      If anyone falls in the water in Rio, It will almost certainly be their last Olympics !

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      Rereke Whakaaro

      It keeps the plebs and the paroles quiet and distracted, whilst their betters get on with the serious business of dividing up the wealth of nations, between themselves.

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      Reed Coray

      There’s a new meaning to the term “green.” When the Olympic athletes deboard their return flights, it will be easy to identify the divers–they’ll be the one’s with the green hue.

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        Albert

        It amuses me that they had no idea what caused the water to turn green, it’s normally algae that needs treatment at onset, not after 1 week, LOL

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      RoHa

      2016 the last Olympic? Is that a promise? How much CO2 do I have to produce to ensure it?

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      Annie

      We wouldn’t have to keep seeing and hearing about sportsmen ‘heroes’. What a misuse of the term. The real heroes are the ones that go back to help their mates in trouble, whether in Iraq and Afghanistan or in the bushfires in Australia, for example. I know of some real heroes in Marysville that deserve the title so it annoys me to see the same term used for people who just serve their egos in sport.

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        I kind of agree with you there. Apparently the Federal government gives $250 million/annum to the Australian Sports Commission, of which $100 million goes to the elite athletes, and the states provide more on top of that.

        I realise that Australia is a fervent sporting nation; however, the taxpayer’s money being poured into international sporting events like the Olympics, which benefit a very small minority, is very difficult to reconcile.

        I also read somewhere that the US government doesn’t provide taxpayer money to their Olympic contestants; it all comes from the private sector.

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    TdeF

    It’s the summer Olympics. It’s supposed to be hot and midsummer! All this business of averages. They do not even have the often scorching heat of the Australian Open Tennis.
    Besides, as you point out there are always the Spring and Fall Olympics.
    It’s hard to imagine how much less clothing the beach volleyball women could wear. They are down to dental floss.
    It must be incredibly hot, but isn’t that the point of beach volleyball?
    What we need now are the Amish Olympics or the Arab Olympics. Especially beach volleyball. Then it would have to be held when there was snow on the beach.

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      gigdiary

      It’s hard to imagine how much less clothing the beach volleyball women could wear. They are down to dental floss.

      As you say, TdeF, that’s why we watch it.

      What we need now are the Amish Olympics or the Arab Olympics.

      Oh, great, now we get to see men cantering their horse and buggy, and women tripping over their niqabs. I can’t see this being a winner.

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      Gary in Erko

      But global warming causes extraordinary snowfalls, or not, depending on the weather.

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        Albert

        Also thousands of new record lows across America, obviously due to global warming !

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          Craig Thomas

          That’s funny, according to the data,
          https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cdo-web/datatools/records
          There have been 7 new all-time “cold” records over the past 365 days, and in that same time, there have been 133 all-time “hot” records.

          I think we should send you to Taiwan, where the penalty for making things up seems appropriate.

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            And are those ‘all’ time records coming from complete, non-homogenised, long-term data sets?

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              Craig Thomas

              Where is Albert’s data set?

              The one I referred to is an established, reputable, professional science body.

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                AndyG55

                ” reputable, professional science body.”

                So, somewhere else other than GISS, NASA, NOAA, BEST, or Hadcrud.

                Please produce such data.

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                Graeme No.3

                Please discount that second tick of approval, it was meant as a downtick.
                Fingers not working right on a Pad.
                As for a reputable science body – what one? The people who average 2 readings a day over maybe a 100 stations and come up with a result with a claimed accuracy 20 times that of the readings? if you really knew anything about science that should have you screaming rubbish. The whole thing is nonsense.

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                Craig Thomas

                No, Graeme, we are referring to record maxima and minima, as per the data I shared a link to.
                HOT records are being set 17 times more frequently than COLD records, over the past 365 days.

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            TdeF

            Craig, that’s not a bad point, perhaps for all the wrong reasons. Either the world warmed suddenly by 0.5C in the late 1980s, conincident with the formation of the IPCC or it did not.

            The most likely explanation is instrumentation change, from old thermometers and humans to higher resolution electronics, giving rise to a difference in resolution which can prejudice results. This happened over a decade in the late 1980s. So you expect a discontinuity of up to 0.5C, the old reading accuracy.

            The question is whether meteorologists tried to bring the old temperatures into line or no one bothered. The total lack of action was documented in Germany. One researcher stated categorically and demonstrated this by continuing with both sets of instruments. This was a wonderful gift for the newly formed IPCC to claim a 0.5C increase over this exact period and they happily predicted terrifying +5C for the next hundred years unless they received billions of dollars. Surely this coincidence raises questions?

            20 years on, the temperature has not budged, so what was wrong? Consider that if governments could not change the climate, why create an IPCC? It is an inter governmental political department of the the UN. Politicians in committees write the final summaries, not scientists. Almost no politicians are scientists. The 0.5C was a gift.

            So consider that what you just said is that temperatures are consistently higher, both the cold limits and the hot limits.

            So either we had sudden one off warming decade which coincided perfectly with the change in technology and the formation of the IPCC or all temperatures were artificially moved up by 0.5C, which fits your facts perfectly.

            The movements seems to indicate that the world did not heat suddenly but that temperatures are all slightly higher permanently because that is what the new instruments tell us.
            However the sharp discontinuity with all the old records tells us that this was not a real change but a change in instrumentation. At $1Trillion a year, it has proven a very profitable idea for the politicians who run the IPCC.

            Craig, this is too much of a coincidence. No one questions the lack of power in CO2 to warm the earth without amplification by water vapour. No one questions the lack of warming in twenty years. Now you have to be suspicious of the timing.

            All that is left of Global Warming is to talk about ‘hottest’ years by 0.1C, but take away that sudden 0.5C rise and is it true? Also, how can you compare new records measurable to 0.1C when old records were only measurable to 0.5C? We are now routinely measuring the Olympic final times to 0.01seconds and instant video replays. That was not even possible fifty years ago. The warming is fake. All that is left is ‘hottest ever’ stuff and that is fake.

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              AndyG55

              remember that almost exactly the same time as that “warming” jump, the number of stations reporting suddenly dropped.

              Was it on purpose? Getting rid of isolated stations that showed cooling or no warming, and placing far more emphasis on urban stations highly affected by urban growth.

              I go for ABSOLUTELY INTENTIONAL…. ie, that 5 letter word starting with FR… and sounding like “frord”

              http://www.climatecooling.org/globalcoolingImages/TemperatureVsStations.jpg

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            KinkyKeith

            Get some new clothes, or better still use your own photo. That Irish hero thing is wearing a bit thin.

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            tom0mason

            Craig,
            Hot periods and cold periods occur they are mere natural variations.

            Unless of course you can prove it’s man-made.

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              Craig Thomas

              We know that CO2′s absorption spectrum makes it a greenhouse gas. We know CO2 has increased in the atmosphere. We know it is causing warming.

              Please see your host’s latest post where she confirms these facts.

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                Rinaldo

                Correlation does not means causation!

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                Craig Thomas

                “We know that CO2′s absorption spectrum makes it a greenhouse gas. We know CO2 has increased in the atmosphere. We know it is causing warming.”

                Also, we know it is actually warming.

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                AndyG55

                “We know it is causing warming”

                No… that is an assumption.

                There is NO MECHANISM that allows CO2 to warm an open convective atmosphere.

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                AndyG55

                ” we know it is actually warming.”

                Again you make a point that shows basically ZERO understanding.

                The ONLY warming in the satellite era has been REGIONAL warming in regions affected by El Nino events and ocean cycles. When averaged with other temperatures, they give the appearance that of “global” warming to the gullible.

                BUT THERE IS NO “GLOBAL” WARMING.

                The areas that have not been directly affected by El Nino and natural ocean oscillations are NOT warming.

                Real data shows that:

                1. No warming in the UAH satellite record from 1980 to 1998 El Nino

                2. No warming between the end of that El Nino in 2001 and the start of the current El Nino at the beginning of 2015.

                3. No warming in the southern polar region for the whole 38 years of the satellite record.

                4. No warming in the southern ex-tropicals for 20 years.

                5. No warming in Australia for 20 years, cooling since 2002

                6. No warming in Japan surface data for the last 20 years, No warming from 1950-1990.. zero trend for 40 years

                7. No warming in the USA since 2005 when a non-corrupted system was installed, until the beginning of the current El Nino.

                8. UAH Global Land shows no warming from 1979 1997, the no warming from 2001 – 2015

                9. Iceland essentially the same temperature as in the late 1930s as now, maybe slightly lower

                10. British Columbia (Canada) temperatures have been stable, with no warming trend, throughout 1900-2010

                11.Temperatures in northwest China have not shown a warming trend in the last 368 years.

                12. Chile has been cooling since the 1940s.

                13. Southern Sea temperatures not warming from 1982 2005, then cooling

                14. Even UAH NoPol shows no warming this century until the large spike in January 2016.

                That is DESPITE a large climb in CO2 levels over those periods.

                There IS NO CO2 WARMING effect.

                The ONLY real warming has come from regional ElNino and ocean circulation effects.

                And even your own childish attempts at graphs using WFTs shows that the ONLY way you can get a warming trend is by using those El Nino steps.

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            Mari C

            Craig – do they include the cold that helped snow fall in Taiwan and other tropical areas this January? Or have those records been wiped as obvious errors?

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      Summer Olympics? Here’s Winter Olympics
      with the Goodies! Lots uv good jokes…well
      serfs like them. And good ol’ human climate engineering.Watch the finale. )

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpILF66hc1I

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    TdeF

    Besides, Rio is just in the tropics at 22.9 South.
    Warmists may not have noticed but the water moderated tropics do not get global warming.
    Also that pesky hot spot simply refuses to appear over Rio, despite desperate attempts to create one with statistics.
    Without the hot spot, all scientists agree that CO2 is not enough to significantly heat the planet. So what’s the problem again?
    Yes, the beach volleyball burka.

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    Yonniestone

    I wonder if the 2084 games will have another Eastern Bloc boycott like 100 years earlier?

    I think the Olympic Games will revert back to basics, where only men compete naked on Fire Island.

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      AndyG55

      The LGBZGTDIXK society will love that !!

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        TdeF

        Not sure about those last letters. In fact not sure about the first ones either.

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          Sceptical Sam

          What happened to the “Q” Andy?

          Mrs Triggs and the other guys in her Human Rights rort will be chasing you if you continue to discriminate in such a politically incorrect fashion. The “Q”s will be mightily offended. Or, even if they’re not, they’ll assert they are, so’s they can go you under 18c.

          It’ll be the re-education gulag for you, mate. And that’s the vegan option. The alternative is the Pol pot; meat for Africa there.

          Your name will be kept for all time in her its little red book for future cross- referencing.

          Best ask the Mod to delete you before Mrs Triggs pulls the trigger.

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          AndyG55

          Sorry TdeF, I’ve lost track of all the human “identifiers,”, too.

          I’m still stuck at… male, female.

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        delcon2

        I think it stands for Lickers,Blurter burglars, Gobblers and Turd punchers Incorporated!

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    William

    We can only hope that these will be the last Olympics.

    My dream is that they will be replaced by mud wrestling, pole dancing and dwarf throwing.

    I would be happy to trade a couple of degrees of global warming for that! Oh happy days……!

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    Ross

    I was watching a bit of the rowing and they said the temp was 18C. The rowers were probably thinking that was a bit cold –most would certainly normally race in much warmer temperatures.

    As is so often said –the fact give this sort of rubbish, highlighted by Jo in this post, is a clear indication why the MSM is losing credibility and financially going down the tubes.

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      sophocles

      That’s pretty warm for the Southern Hemisphere winter, although Rio is about the same attitude as RockHampton, Qld.

      NZ’s rowing crews may have thought it just a bit warm.

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        Annie

        Rio has Attitude! Most places have latitude :)

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          sophocles

          Attitude: orientation relative to a baseline. In Rio’s case, the Equator at 0d Lattitude
          For you, Annie, you can use Lattitude if you want to. The meaning won’t change.

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      Sceptical Sam

      they said the temp was 18C

      Were they offended?

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        Sceptical Sam

        Oh! A little red thumb.

        Great.

        Perhaps the owner of the little red thumb might take itself out of its protective cocoon, go down to its local news-agency and buy a copy of today’s (Monday 15 August 2016) “The Australian”, turn to page 12 and read a very good article therein by Jennifer Oriel, titled “21st Century Left Waging New War on Free Speech”.

        It might then come back here and join in a debate instead of pursuing its cowardly back-attack.

        I don’t for a moment expect such to occur – the left are rarely honourable adversaries. And it probably hasn’t got %$2.70 to rub together.

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    el gordo

    Ten years ago the doom mongers were saying skiing would go out of fashion with global warming, but that hasn’t happened. In fact the season is getting longer.

    ‘Yesterday I reported on the cold blast of polar air that had just frosted parts of Central Europe, surprising many Europeans as they stepped out of their homes early Thursday morning.

    ‘Apparently it got so cold that it even snowed down to 2000 meters (as predicted already last week). Wednesday wetteronline.de here presented a series of photos of snowfall in the Alps.’

    - See more at: http://notrickszone.com/2016/08/13/already-winter-in-august-snow-falls-down-to-2000-meters-in-alps/#sthash.EwTPQfgP.dpuf

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      TdeF

      So warm days are global warming and climate change but snow in mid summer confirms climate change
      and also an extreme event so it confirms global warming. So snow means warming. It is all about how you use the IPCC approved logic.

      The greatest invention of the Global Warming crowd after Climate Change(tm) was the unproveable, unsubstantiated and patently silly logic that increased CO2 can
      produce extreme climate without actually changing the temperature. This was some truly impressive computer modelling by Tim Flannery and friends.
      Kangaroos in one end and bushfires, floods and even tsunamis out the other. The same logic means that you can get more droughts and longer droughts at the same time.

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        ROM

        A bit of a reversal of the usual warmist Götterdämmerung!

        Interesting Engineering; New Survey Finds Antartica Covered in More Ice Than Previously Thought;

        Previous estimates by researchers placed the level of uncovered land in Antartica at about 1%.
        However, a new survey in part by NASA shows that this estimate was rather generous and the continent is covered in a lot more ice than previously thought. Researchers from Cryosphere have shown that only .18 percent of the entire continent is not covered by ice and snow, which is surprisingly low.

        Cryosphere abstract; An automated methodology for differentiating rock from snow, clouds and sea in Antarctica from Landsat 8 imagery: a new rock outcrop map and area estimation for the entire Antarctic continent

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          sophocles

          Perhaps that’s why most of the “global” warming is in the Northern Hemisphere: that end of the axis of rotation wobbles more.
          :-)

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          TdeF

          As Antarctica is generally 25C colder than the Arctic, global warming of the amount alleged is irrelevant anyway.

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        sceptic56109

        Don’t forget, the new trademark of Climate Change is predicated on a climate sensitivity of 2C warming for a doubling of CO2 concentration. (Or is that 3.8C or 5.6C or whatever?)These consensus “scientists” lie a lot.

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        Craig Thomas

        Tdef, you seem to be asserting that Flannery has done some computer modelling.
        Could you please provide a reference for this work you assert exists?
        Thank you.

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          AndyG55

          Again, Craig FAILS basic comprehension. !!

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          AndyG55

          I doubt that Flannery would have the slightest clue about computer modelling.

          Some of his friends,(fellow alarmist troughers), seem to be in much the same basketcase.. even though they have tried.

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          TdeF

          Was it too subtle?

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            AndyG55

            I doubt anyone could ever call you subtle. ;-)

            But then, CT is not the sharpest brick in the wall.

            You may have to be somewhat more direct for him to “get” it.

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            Craig Thomas

            You said, “some truly impressive computer modelling by Tim Flannery “.

            Is it too much for me to expect you to back up this assertion with some facts?

            Flannery has written some books about Kangaroos. Not aware he has done any modelling.

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              AndyG55

              “Not aware he has done any modelling”

              Almost certainly not.

              But his alarmista mates have tried, and been found wanting.

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              AndyG55

              Tell you what Craig.

              Do you agree…

              … that if Timbo makes a comment about Kangaroos, it “might” just be worth listening to.

              Otherwise… anything else he says is basically meaningless and more likely to be a pile of roo scat.

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                Craig Thomas

                I don’t know, perhaps Flannery could give pertinent advice on the cultivation of geraniums or on the best place to buy coffee at Palm Beach? I’ll have to listen to him and judge for myself.

                More to the point – is there *anything* that Andy is capable of providing useful comment about?

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                AndyG55

                Nothing that you have the ability to comprehend.

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                Craig Thomas

                Yes, that must be it. Andy’s awesomeness just flies right over my head.
                There is a wealth of actual content in your plethora of short and otherwise apparently content-free messages.

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                AndyG55

                You have yet to produce one iota of anything resembling evidence for anything.

                Sorry that you have no ability to keep up with, or comprehend facts or reality. I can see your frustration oozing from you.

                Do try harder to produce something other than EMPTY junk rhetoric.

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        Annie

        Thanks TdeF…nearly choked on my coffee just there ;)

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    sophocles

    But what will everyone do if it doesn’t warm at all between now and 2020?

    What if it Cools?

    And what if it’s still cold in 2084?

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    Steve Borodin

    Perhaps we could send Gore to Taiwan.

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    mark

    Well, the logic is easy. Change in sun activity would have resulted in even cooler temperatures but for CO2. When the sun gets back to normal WE WILL ALL BAKE. ;-)

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      AndyG55

      “WE WILL ALL BAKE”

      What type of oven will we use to “bake”?

      Gas or Electricity?

      And who will eat all the cookies?

      These are really tough questions, y’know !!

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      Dean

      Nice try, but the forcing factors used in the models show conclusively that the solar output has nothing to do with temperatures.

      The only thing which matters is CO2.

      And CO2 levels have been steadily rising so according to the models it is impossible to cool even with large differences in solar output.

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        Craig Thomas

        So….what you are saying is that the “cooling” which the low-sensitivity models predicted would occur in 2006(Easterbrook) 2010(Akasofu) 2011(McLean) 2013(Lindzen) 2015(Evans) 2016(Evans) 2017(Evans), can’t actually happen if you do your maths properly, unless the Sun actually drops its output significantly, something which isn’t predicted to happen?

        Seriously?

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          Who cares about accuracy or numbers eh Craig?
          David Evans earliest predictions with Notch-delay theory: “So the cooling is most likely to begin in 2017. The delay could be as much as 20 years, in which case the drop could be as late as 2024.”
          Date: June 2014.

          Get with the game. The solar effect is not about the output of TSI. Bend your head around the solar wind, magnetic field and spectral changes.

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            Craig Thomas

            The prediction included the years 2015 and 2016 as start dates. Those predictions were clearly wrong. But maybe I shouldn’t join in playing the game of “maybe by -insert date-” counts as a failed prediction? Because doing that would mean I was being … well, not very honest I suppose.

            So, let’s say it’s a valid, ongoing prediction of possibility – maybe the “most likely” year, 2017, will prove right.
            I’m willing to bet that Evans isn’t willing to bet on it, though, especially as it should be patently obvious that his was nothing more than an exercise in curve-fitting – try hindcasting his maths and (if I remember correctly) it only takes a few decades before you get negative concentrations of CO2 coming out of his “model”. Or there was something horribly broken about it anyway, that was 2 years ago.

            As for the other solar ..er.. “ideas” you allude to – one of these has been comprehensively debunked – peaks in sun spot numbers have failed to create any dent at all in the increased forcing provided by accumulating CO2.

            What was the other one – cosmic rays? Has that one actually managed to get itself published in any coherent form yet? Doesn’t the failure of Lindzen’s model cast extreme doubt on it anyway?

            I ask these things, because I am very sceptical of the low-sensitivity models they appear to lack rigour.

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              sophocles

              Craig:

              cosmic rays? Has that one actually managed to get itself published in any coherent form yet?

              If you have to ask that question Craig, then you’ve had your head in the sand. That approach to climate change cause is the only one with experimental support. The computer models fail abysmally—they have no experimental and no observational support.

              .

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                AndyG55

                Every comment he makes displays his basic lack of any sort of knowledge about anything going on in the subject..

                Its quite bizarre really, that a troll could be that “limited” !!

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              ROM

              As for making a cacophany of climate catastrophe predictions and getting them all utterly wrong on a long term industrial sized scale, the warmists have the “wrong predictions” business all tied up in a damn near water tight case.

              Going by the approximately 490 WRONG climate based predictions at the C3 site as below, climate predictions that were given very wide spread media and alarmist internet publicity at the time they were made over the last couple of decades, climate predictions that were made by very prominent “alarmists fund seeking climate scientists” and even more prominent self described “Climate Experts” who invariably and almost without exception, predicted imminent disaster and catastrophe about to happen to the planet, the wild life and mankind due to man made catastrophic Global Warming that just hasn’t happened.

              When the “Global Warming” terminology lost its impact with the public a few years ago, it was morphed into that undefined and undefinable term, “Climate Change” that is so beloved of the Climate Catastrophists, the odd specimen believer of which turns up here every now and then.

              The dreaded “Climate Change” of the alarmists and “natural climate change deniers” can’t be distinguished at all by any hard observed evidence as being distinct and different from the completely normal aeons old “natural Climate Change’”.

              So anybody who would like to examine any or all of the links to each of those approximately 490 WRONG PREDICTIONS on climate change and its supposed predicted catastrophic effects as pronounced by the climate alarmists who come from both Alarmist Climate Science, Climate Modelling and / or are self styled “Climate Experts” of indeterminate origins who couldn’t recognise a “climate” even if it kicked them in the cojones, can do so by going to the C3 site as below and even go through the links to each alarmist prediction.

              C3 Headlines ;Failed Science, Predictions, Simulations & Claims: The Travesties of “Experts”

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            Craig Thomas

            …and yet Andy, where is the cooling?
            Obviously the slight lessening in irradiance has been overpowered by some other kind of forcing….I wonder what that could be?

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              AndyG55

              Come back later this year Craig.

              And there is cooling in many parts of the world.

              Now off you go and do some research for a change.

              TRY to learn something.

              Here is a good start for you.

              http://notrickszone.com/2016/08/15/abundant-scientific-evidence-that-global-warming-is-a-made-up-concept/#sthash.rfpMtPOA.dpbs

              Open your mind and at least TRY to learn.

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                Craig Thomas

                “Come back later this year Craig.”

                Yes, yes, predictions of cooling again. Always wrong, and yet you guys never learn and keep making new predictions of the same ilk.

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                AndyG55

                Again, you didn’t read any of that link did you.

                Seems you are wilfully IGNORANT and very content to stay that way,

                … just flapping your jaw aimlessly in the wind.

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                Craig Thomas

                How can it be *I* who am the “aimless” one, when it is your emotional defence of people who are constantly being proven wrong about their cooling predictions which is the obviously aimless activity?

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                AndyG55

                Again, you haven’t read the link, have you.

                Be HONEST for once in your life.

                You seem to be enamoured of those who’s constant warming and climate catastrophe claims have been proven utterly wrong by reality.

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              AndyG55

              I see you didn’t understand one single part of any of those links..

              You have just shown YET AGAIN, your monumental IGNORANCE.

              Well done :-)

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                Craig Thomas

                Let me see…
                Link#1 – a blog run by a guy who spent years asserting that weather station siting was causing a warming bias, whose data eventually proved the exact opposite of what he had been asserting, and who then refused to publish a paper revealing what his research had uncovered, because it didn’t say what he had wanted it to say.

                Link#2 – a blog run by a politician who predicts global cooling, but who has failed to publish any relevant science research.

                Link#3 – some sort of weird new age blog

                Why is it, Andy, that you do not read any actual science from which to inform your views? Ever asked yoruself that?

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                AndyG55

                So, absolutely ZERO scientific rebuff. (probably through lack of comprehension)

                just empty ab homs, as expected.

                That’s all you have when real data and facts are put in front of you.

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                AndyG55

                You have just ADMITTED in that:

                you DON’T KNOW what the F10.7 Flux is…

                you DON’T RECOGNISE solar cycle data…

                you have ZERO COMPREHENSION of solar fields.

                that’s a pretty poor start.

                Go and do some basic climate research, bozo.,

                you are wasting everyone’s time with your ignorance.

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              AndyG55

              “I wonder what that could be?:”

              You really think that the a billion+ cubic km of sea water, heated by a series of strong solar cycles over the last 50 or so years, is going to respond immediately.

              Are you REALLY that thick ???????

              I really am beginning to think that most definitely are !!

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          sophocles

          Craig Thomas opened his mouth and changed his socks with:

          unless the Sun actually drops its output significantly, something which isn’t predicted to happen

          Wrong again, or is that As Usual? Still not reading!

          Oh yes it is predicted to happen!

          Note: the solar activity referred to is not TSI. Yes, Craig, there are other measures (more accurate) of solar activity.

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        ROM

        Dean @ # 11.2

        I’m not sure just how many more times the following facts will have to be repeated ad nauseum.

        Quoted from Dean ;

        And CO2 levels have been steadily rising so according to the models it is impossible to cool even with large differences in solar output.

        Hiatus confirmed as scientists finally admit climate model fail

        February 26, 2016

        A group of scientists recently put out a new study confirming the 15-year “hiatus” in global warming. That study made headlines, but what went largely unnoticed was a major admission made by the paper’s authors: the climate models were wrong.

        “There is this mismatch between what the climate models are producing and what the observations are showing,” John Fyfe, Canadian climate modeler and lead author of the new paper, told Nature. “We can’t ignore it.”

        “Reality has deviated from our expectations – it is perfectly normal to try and understand this difference,” Ed Hawkins, co-author of the study and United Kingdom climate scientist, echoed in a blog post.

        This is a huge admission by climate scientists and a big victory for skeptics of man-made global warming who have for years been pointing to a mismatch between climate model predictions and actual temperature observations.

        “Overall, the paper is an admission by prominent members of the ‘mainstream’ scientific community that the earth’s surface temperature over the past two decades or so has not evolved in a way that was well-anticipated by either the scientific community and/or the climate models they rely on,” Chip Kappenberger, climate scientist at the libertarian Cato Institute, told The Daily Caller News foundation.

        “Something that the skeptic have been pointing out for years,” Knappenberger said.

        Knappenberger and fellow Cato climate scientist Patrick Michaels have been prominent critics of climate models relied upon by “mainstream” scientists because they say the models have not accurately predicted global temperature rises for the past six decades.

        In a recent paper, Michaels and Knappenberger compared observed global surface temperature warming rates since 1950 to predictions made by 108 climate models used by government climate scientists. What they found was the models projected much higher warming rates than actually occurred.

        Michaels and Knappenberger aren’t alone. Satellite-derived temperature readings have shown a “hiatus” in global warming for at least the last 18 years, despite rising carbon dioxide emissions.

        While some scientists have tried to discredit satellite readings, they have been unable to explain the lack of significant warming in recent years.

        “When a theory contradicts the facts” you need to change the theory, climate scientist John Christy told Congress in January hearing. “The real world is not going along with rapid warming. The models need to go back to the drawing board.”

        [ more> ]

        &
        March 2015

        New paper finds large calculation errors of solar radiation at the top of the atmosphere in climate models

        A new paper published in Geophysical Research Letters finds astonishingly large errors in the most widely used ‘state of the art’ climate models due to incorrect calculation of solar radiation and the solar zenith angle at the top of the atmosphere.

        According to the authors,
        Annual incident solar radiation at the top of atmosphere (TOA) should be independent of longitudes. However, in many Coupled Model Intercomparison Project phase 5 (CMIP5) models, we find that the incident radiation exhibited zonal oscillations, with up to 30 W/m2 of spurious variations. This feature can affect the interpretation of regional climate and diurnal variation of CMIP5 results.
        The alleged radiative forcing from all man-made CO2 generated since 1750 is claimed by the IPCC to be 1.68 W/m2. By way of comparison, the up to 30 W/m2 of “spurious variations” from incorrect calculation of solar zenith angle discovered by the authors is up to 18 times larger than the total alleged CO2 forcing since 1750.

        Why wasn’t this astonishing, large error of basic astrophysical calculations caught billions of dollars ago, and how much has this error affected the results of all modeling studies in the past?

        The paper adds to hundreds of others demonstrating major errors of basic physics inherent in the so-called ‘state of the art’ climate models, including violations of the second law of thermodynamics. In addition, even if the “parameterizations” (a fancy word for fudge factors) in the models were correct (and they are not), the grid size resolution of the models would have to be 1mm or less to properly simulate turbulent interactions and climate (the IPCC uses grid sizes of 50-100 kilometers, 6 orders of magnitude larger). As Dr. Chris Essex points out, a supercomputer would require longer than the age of the universe to run a single 10 year climate simulation at the required 1mm grid scale necessary to properly model the physics of climate.

        [ more > ]
        ——–
        Proffessor Judith Curry on her Climate Etc blog regularly tears into the climate models and their complete failure to predict in advance anywhere near what is being observed of the global climate temperatures and rainfall.

        EVERYTHING about the supposed and claimed effects of increasing CO2 on the Global Climate climate are derived from climate models.

        There is NO verified and actual observed science that can be categorically pointed to that substantiates the theory that increasing CO2 is warming the planet, let alone dangerously warming the planet.

        Even the “climate sensitivity” numbers, the hypothesised increase in temperature from a doubling of the pre-industrial levels of CO2 is still not settled and is being scientifically and vigorously argued and that after some 30 years of climate research beginning in the late 1980′s.

        And as that critical “climate sensitivity number” is not scientifically established beyond all doubt then everything about the warming of the planet’s climate from increasing CO2 is also moot and unknown particularly given that the climate sensitivity number has been declining in the views of the scientists for at least a decade and a half since its high point in the IPCC’s AR3 and therefore any claims about a catastrophic warming from increases in CO2 are nothing but pure, unadulterated BS.

        Even the scientists who contribute to the IPCC which is a UN body and NOT a research organisation have been bringing the sensitivity number down particularly over the last couple of years with a sensitivity number now down to around 1.5C for doubling of the planets cCO2 from its pre-industrial levels of about 285 ppm and the estimate of the sensitivity number is still on the way down according to some climate researchers.

        So a doubling of pre-industrial levels of CO2 up to close to 600PPM would raise the earth’s temperature by about 1.5 C if the theory is correct and IF those climate sensitivity numbers are close to being about right.
        A few researchers are claiming the critical climate sensitivity number is closer to 1 C and at 1C the noise, the temperature fluctuations in the climate drowns out any further lower CO2 climate sensitivity calculations.

        Even the pre-industrial levels of CO2 are in some dispute with the 19th century scientists who did thousands of sampling tests came up with an average level of 335 ppm across the northern hemisphere, a level of CO2 that has been verified by the plant researchers using the Leaf Stomata from the late 19th and early 20th century.

        However Guy Callendar in the late 1930′s decided to chose a much lower pre-industrial starting point for CO2 of about 285 ppm which distorts even further the calculations from the climate models in their predictions for the global climate.

        Climate Models can’t even predict the onset of a El Nino or a La Nina for more than a few months ahead.
        Even worse is that the climate models cannot predict the strength of either until they have got well underway .
        Yet the El Nino / La Nina system is the single largest climate changing natural phenomena on this planet.

        If the climate models can’t predict the El Nino / La Nina phase or its strength more than a couple of months out, how the hell are they going to predict the whole Earth’s climate for years and decades ahead as some of those climate scientists and climate activists lacking in any remnants of intelligence profess to claim. to be able to do.

        No prediction on the future of the global climate and its temperatures and particularly the climate model’s predictions on rainfall which are a big and acknowledged fail even by the modellers and therefore the amount of the major green house gas, water vapour which accounts for about 98% of the warming that keeps this planet habitable, none of those predictions yet made by a climate model has come to pass.
        ———–

        For anybody to make a claim that only CO2 is responsible for the warming of the global climate particularly when an increasing number of scientists are beginning to admit that the Sun might be the major factor in the way the climate shifts and changes particularly when looking back at the history of the climate over the ages when the changes had nothing to do with CO2 and then believe that the Sun/ solar radiation has nothing to do with any natural climate changes, just points out the limitations of both their knowledge and their =the rigidity of their intellect but most of all, their utter inability to research and think logically through the whole of what is now turning into a colossal scientific debacle that will ruin and possibly destroy some disciplines in science for many decades ahead.
        And the believers will be left grasping and floundering like dying fish on the sea shore as their very catastrophe orientated ideology collapses around them and turns to dust.

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    theRealUniverse

    Their asses will freeze off in the new ‘LIA’.
    Heres just the start…http://dailycaller.com/2016/08/12/europe-hit-with-frigid-weather-snow-in-august/
    “Summer snows fell in Sweden and a city in Saxony experienced its coldest temperature on record.
    “We can expect serious cooling.” – Professor Cliff Ollier, University of Western Australia
    A “mini ice age-like situation” is on the way.– Shrinivas Aundhkar, director, Mahatma Gandhi Mission at the Centre for Astronomy and Space Technology

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    Gee Aye

    Either this is heartfelt, that no one actually cares about the subject matter, or everyone is trying out out smartarse each other.

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      Sceptical Sam

      Well, if we are, you’re not even in the race.

      You see, the subject matter is a satire on the poor brainwashed, unthinking, zombies that just lap that sort of analysis up as if it’s agreed by 97% of scientists.

      I’m surprised you didn’t seek to rationalize it as well.

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      AndyG55

      “no one actually cares about the subject matter”

      Oh dear, you really are aiming for village íđıot status with that post, Gee.

      The whole premise of the post is to show the whole warming scam as a monumental farce.

      Of course we are going to have fun with it.

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      delcon2

      Quiet … Imbecile At Work !

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        Sceptical Sam

        I just realized the problem D2, Gee Aye is a product of the left’s dumbed down education system.

        A system where critical thinking is banned and satire, if it is understood at all, is thought to be a lustful, drunken woodland god – improbably Gaia – represented as a man with a horse’s ears and tail. Or in Roman times, a goat.

        Gee Aye is not to blame for his ignorance. We can do something about that.

        On the other hand, if he’s just stupid, then……….?

        I’m for giving him the benefit of the doubt.

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      MudCrab

      If the subject is ‘The Olympics’ then, no, I don’t care.

      Let’s be honest here, the Olympics is effectively charity week for ‘sports’ no one normally finds remotely interesting. I am not saying it doesn’t take an insane amount of ability, skill and dedication to become one of the fastest in the world, because it absolutely does, I am just saying no one really cares.

      Athletics, swimming and all those other little Olympic things don’t just happen once every four years, there are constant amounts of competitions every year with exactly the same people involved, yet the amount of people in the general public who are willing to watch them? Basically NIL.

      People watch the Olympics for the shiny things and the rare politically correct chance to be nationalistic. The actual sport no one gives a toss about.

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      TdeF

      According to the original author of “Body Language” the very entertaining Alan Pease wrote that a smart arse was someone who could sit naked on a tub of icecream
      and tell you what flavour it was.

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      TdeF

      Must be the word Australian.

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    Andrew

    There’s an Olympic city called Stockholm. It’s predicted to be 17C there on Monday and it’s the height of mid summer. I’m sure if it becomes impossible to hold the Olympics in even spring in Stockholm and we’ve exhausted ideas like holding the Games in winter in places like Melbourne, then we have much bigger problems than that.

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      Why stop at Stockholm, why not Alaska, navaya zemlia, north urals or ultimately Antarctica. Surely we can do this on top the mountains after we’ll get flooded?

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      The current Olympics discriminates against places near the Arctic. It’s latitudinist. A bit of global warming would make it possible for Oymaykon to host the Winter Olympics (and in Winter) Currently the ave Jan temp is minus 46C, needs about 25C degrees of warming.

      Don’t get me started on the Antarctic…

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    Dizzy Ringo

    And the Minoans had their competitions to jump over bulls and that was in the Eastern Mediterranean – in Crete – so that must have been hot!

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      el gordo

      Bull Hop might catch on as a new sport.

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      sophocles

      the Minoans had their competitions to jump over bulls

      In Spain too. Spain was a mining colony of the Minoans. The Minoans were to the Bronze Age what the Portuguese were to the Age of Navigation. Copper came from Cyprus and tin from Spain and Cornwall (the Minoans weren’t fussy). The Spanish still play with bulls.

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    Roy Hogue

    In 2009: Warming would stop 2020 Olympics. Now disaster moved to 2084

    I do hope everyone will forgive me if I laugh my head off over this new “disaster” waiting in the wings to suddenly appear on stage and wipe out the entire audience. ;-)

    And by the way, let’s suppose the 2020 Olympics are stopped dead in their tracks by climate change (just suppose for a minute). Will the world end? I don’t think so. Will we cope? Yes, I think we’ll all manage to cope with it, like it or not. So as I’ve said before to email correspondents about stuff like this, “Where’s the beef?” Can’t you come up with something more disastrous, say poisonous snakes raining down from the sky for 24 hours straight or a magnitude 10 earthquake centered on Washington DC? You alarmists aren’t even very creative.

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      sophocles

      Roy, before you misplace that valuable item from over exerting your funny bone, you might like to refer to this very recent solar research.

      It’s got some of the warmistas cheesed right off: they tried to suppress it.

      2084 looks to be more cool than warm.

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        Roy Hogue

        Sophocles,

        I finally found time to read that link on cooling. There isn’t as much there as I thought so I should have tackled it sooner. It does tend to confirm other researchers and the anecdotal evidence of everyday weather that we’re cooling instead of warming. We need only wait and see.

        In the meantime, if we are cooling those who want to suppress this kind of information will look mighty foolish when they have to shovel snow in mid summer. I wish them all the cold surprises they can get. ;-)

        And by the way, that link leads through several more links to a large collection of rare WW II photos which I found very interesting for their historical value. I even saved a few of them in my collection.

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      Graeme No.3

      Roy:
      What would be disastrous about an earthquake destroying Washington DC?

      Apart from most Australian wanting Canberra to be first!

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        Roy Hogue

        I just knew someone would come along and ask that question as soon as I hit the Post Comment button. There is at least some good sculpture and artwork in DC so I think that would be a bad idea to lose. But I’ll let Australia go first if you really want to. ;-)

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          ROM

          Canberra was possibly the worst mistake Australia has ever made.

          Perhaps it was neccessary at the time in 1901 to ensure that there was no favoritism and that centralised power would be prevented from becoming established in just one Australian state capital so as to assure the other States that they would be treated equally in an Australian Federation of States, the forming of the Australian Commonwealth nation.

          Hence the separate Territory and the City of Canberra site being selected in the sheep and cow country of rural NSW.

          If on the other hand the Australian national government had been rotated through the state capitals on say a generational basis ie; every 25 years, then we would have had a very different nation, one where there would have been a turnover of civil servants on a very regular basis and a consequent fresh outlook on so many societal problems and solutions along with a situation where the current and increasing nepotism of the Canberra public servant scene and its tendency towards a limited narrowness and fixation of views towards the rest of Australia would have been almost eliminated.

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            you definition of a mistake. “If I think that something is better then the thing that was actually done must be bad.”

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              Peter C

              Please explain Gee Aye.

              ROM;

              the current and increasing nepotism of the Canberra public servant scene and its tendency towards a limited narrowness and fixation of views towards the rest of Australia

              I have to agree with that bit. I did live in Canberra for a short time. I found that the Canberrans were not outward looking, as I had hoped. In fact they seemed isolationist and self indulgent. Not right, in my view, for civil servants or residents in the National capital

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            Roy Hogue

            Canberra was possibly the worst mistake Australia has ever made.

            We might say the same here about DC. But the decision was based on not wanting to have any state be the capitol, which would be very preferential to one state and which I think was a basically sound decision. What they didn’t provide for was proper governance, representation in congress and voting rights for DC for quite a while. In the beginning and for a long time the congress was the government of DC. It may have worked then but soon became a problem.

            One way or another, a national capitol is necessary and I wonder how well it would work to move that capitol around every few years. Some things I think you just have to suffer.

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    Scott

    Hey, the LEFT wants economic redistribution? Move the Summer Games to Siberia. It’s cool enough there and will be well beyond 2080.
    Don’t like the northern hemisphere? How about Ushuia?

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      Peter C

      Yes Ushuia seems like a great idea!

      I take it that you have been a visitor to the continent of Antarctica. The ships leave from Ushuia. In the very warmest month of February, when I visited, the weather was almost comfortable. They have a very good prison there so the crime problems of Rio would not exist. Also the athletes could not get into any trouble, except that which they cause themselves.

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    Clyde Spencer

    These ‘hot-flash’ Cassandras, who are basing their predictions of catastrophe on average global temperatures, are apparently unaware that most of the warming has occurred in the diurnal lows and not the highs. Therefore, the nights are a little warmer and the winters a little less brutal, while the high daytime temperatures are less affected. Even if the daytime temperatures got to be a problem, all the Olympic Committee would have to do is pick a city a few hundred feet higher in elevation to neutralize the warming. Apparently you have to be stupid or uneducated to become a politician.

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      sophocles

      Clyde Spencer said:

      all the Olympic Committee would have to do is pick a city a few hundred feet higher in elevation to neutralize the warming

      … or all the Northern Hemisphere games could be located a little further north. I can just imagine the Spitsbergen Olympiad. :-)
      If they choose their dates carefully, there could still be snow on the ground.

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    handjive

    Ms Jo.
    Thanks for elevating that comment to a post.

    I note it is has been re-distributed by like minded websites, thanks to your high profile.

    In a sane world, good news of a delayed doomsday would be headlines.

    Despite the media bias , hopefully they can’t ignore it.

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    Another Ian

    O/T Electronic voting


    Paper and Pencil

    What do the Liberals want? Electronic voting!

    When do we want it? Never!

    But now with millions heading to the polls in three months, security experts are sounding the alarm, reports CBS News correspondent Mireya Villarreal.

    Like we’ve been talking to brick walls for about a decade now…”

    And link at

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2016/08/pencil-and-pape.html

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      Another Ian

      Wow! A reference to potential fraud in electronic voting gets a red thumb!

      Was the thumber recruited for the vote early and vote often brigade?

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    Greg Cavanagh

    “…he was convicted by a district court in Nantou, central Taiwan, of spreading socially disruptive rumours.”

    Interesting, that makes two countries in the world where such laws exist.

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      el gordo

      Across the gap to the mainland Qin Zhihui was given three years in the big house for spreading rumors about celebrities.

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      Analitik

      Too bad Timmy Flannelly doesn’t live in Taiwan – imagine the sentence he’d get for the social disruption caused by his rumours.

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    RB.

    LA and Athens have an August mean of 29°C. I think that these were the warmest cities to host the Olympics. Melbourne and Sydney have Dec averages 4°C less. I can’t think of any others that come close. We do need a 4°C hike for the number of cities that could host the Olympics to critical level.

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    Greg Cavanagh

    “For the analysis, only cities with at least 600,000 residents were considered, which is the minimum size required to host the games. ”

    Climate Scientists like drawing straight lines, extrapolating any line from here to 100 years into the future.

    But in this instance, only cities that currently have a population of 600,000 will have a population of 600,000 in 70 years time. These “are” scientists, right?

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    Greg Cavanagh

    The article is so quotable, for sheer nonsense.

    “If you’re going to be spending billions of dollars to host an event, you’re going to want have a level of certainty that you’re not going to have to cancel it at the last minute,” explained Smith in a statement.

    Of course cities bid for the chance to hose an Olympics. There is no chance in hell that you will “cancel it at the last minute” no matter the weather; perhaps an earthquake might delay it for 6 months or so.

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      RB.

      Going on Melbourne’s data, its mean maximum temperature for October would have to go up 6.5°C for it to be 10% chance of getting over 35°C in the afternoon and the 7am start of the Marathon to be called off. Very far fetched. (Sydney Olympics were in October despite only 10% of Dec days being over 30).

      I don’t want to log in to get the whole paper but it looks like they used a cut off temperature for Marathon racing and calculated chances of it being exceed at a particular city. More than 10% chance of being exceeded meant the city was unsuitable.

      They refer to the called off 2007 Chicago Marathon which ended early, after 3.5 hours when temperatures hit 31°C. The actual athletes finished.

      I think Athens had 32°C in 2004 but it started at 6pm and no issues. Barcelona had a 30°C day but started at 6.30. Others,like Atlanta started early in the morning to avoid the heat, where the temperature reached 32°C in the afternoon.

      Melbourne had the Marathon on Dec 1 1956. For the period 1951-80, it averaged 6.0 days over 30° in Dec and 2.8 days over 30 for November so the cut off must be 35° (1.9 and 0.4, respectively).

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    ROM

    How will the Olympics cope with a 1.5C rise?;

    A rather random choice below of previous host cities for the summer Olympics and the average and highest average monthly temperatures during the month [s] of the Summer Olympics in those former Olympic host cities .

    Year ……..City…….. Month …….. Average of highest temps…….. Average temp

    1896…… Athens…… April ………….. 20 …………. 16

    1900 ….. Paris …… ..October ……….16 …………. 12

    1904 ….. St Louis … July …………… 36 ……….. 32 [ ? ]

    1948 …… London …. July …………… 23 ………… 19

    1956 … Melbourne ..Nov-Dec ……. 23 …………. 18

    1960 …. Rome …….. Aug-Sept …… 27 …………. 22

    1988 …..Seoul …….. Sept-Oct ……. 24-18 …… 19-13

    1996 …. Atlanta ……. July …………… 32 …………. 27

    2000 …. Sydney ……. Sept …………. 20 …………. 16

    2008 …. Beijing …….. Aug ………….. 30 …………..16

    2016 ….. Rio…………. Aug ……………. 26 ………….22

    2020 …..Tokyo …….. July ……………. 28 …………. 25

    ——–

    The range of temperatures shown here are from an Olympics monthly average of 12C [ Paris 1900 ] to an average of 27C for the modern post WW2 Olympics [ Atlanta 1996 ]

    To claim that a 1.5C shift in temperatures will end the Olympics is quite literally a demonstration of a completely innate stupidity in full flight by the promoter of this supposed “predicted” [??? ] Olympic catastrophe.

    If the imbecilic promoters of this belief even had a modicum of intelligence and the wit to sit down for a half and hour or so as I have done they would have seen that the modern post WW2 summer Olympics have been held in a range of average [ Olympic ] monthly temperatures that span some 8C.

    The Olympics are far more likely to eventually collapse in the publics estimation from doping than from any temperature increases.
    And in fact if some global cooling does get under way as is being increasingly predicted by a whole range of solar researchers, the game will be on by the Olympic organisers to find the warmest period and warmer cities to hold the Summer games.

    The Winter Games might even become the Big Olympic games in a low solar activity, cooling climate situation.

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      ROM

      In fact adding to my above post [ # 25 ] when I look at all the cities that have held the modern Olympics beginning with Athens in 1896 almost all of those Olympics bar one. have been held in cities that are no more than a couple of hundred metres above a sea level altitude.

      The Mexico City Olympics held in 1968 were at am altitude of 2250 meters [ 7400 feet ] which created a lot of problems for athletes from the lower altitudes.
      However if in future there were any effects from the so called and yet to be seen and to pinch some of the alarmist lingo, unequivocally measured and observed increase in climatic temperatures due to [ so far undefined terminology by our trolls ] “Climate Change” then the very simple solution to that increase in temperatures re the Olympic Games would be to hold the games in regions of a higher altitude and therefore lower temperatures.

      At an “environmental lapse rate of 6.5C per thousand metres of height” [ which is less than the dry adiabatic lapse rate of around 9.8C per 1000 metres of height ] the Olympics would only have to be held at an altitude of around 250 metres higher than has been the case over the history of the modern Olympics to get a 1.5 C reduction in temperatures.

      I just shake my head at the complete lack of any semblance of intelligence at any level of the promoters of the “to hot for Olympics” claims.

      I could get very blunt in my language about the level of intelligence or complete and utter lack of it in so many of the most vocal of the promoters of the catastrophic global warming / climate  change ideology but it would get me thoroughly moderated out and and probably grounded for some time.

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    Craig Thomas

    If I understand this article correctly, we have,
    Politician trying to drum up support for his city’s Olympics bid in 2009 says something or other.
    Researchers in 2016 use the data to determine something different.
    Something about not being able to hold an Olympics, being a “disaster”.
    Some guy in Taiwan who is neither a politician nor a researcher used no data to predict a disaster.
    Ta-da! Proff!
    Of something…

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      el gordo

      Good afternoon Craig, did you know there is a ‘consensus’ among scientists that the pause is real?

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        Craig Thomas

        No, I didn’t know that.
        Perhaps you need to explain what the word “pause” means, so that the simple do not misunderstand it as meaning that “warming stopped”, because it clearly hasn’t.
        I’m guessing there would be a consensus among scientists that the thing that certain people are calling a “pause” is what you get when you choose certain arbitrary start and end points in any data series that contains both a trend as well as variability.
        Maybe try googling “going up the down escalator” to see where such silliness can lead you.

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          AndyG55

          This silliness exists mostly in your comments.

          Science, data
          .. they are NOT your friend.

          1. No warming in the UAH satellite record from 1980 to 1998 El Nino

          2. No warming between the end of that El Nino in 2001 and the start of the current El Nino at the beginning of 2015.

          3. No warming in the southern polar region for the whole 38 years of the satellite record.

          4. No warming in the southern ex-tropicals for 20 years.

          5. No warming in Australia for 20 years, cooling since 2002

          6. No warming in Japan surface data for the last 20 years, No warming from 1950-1990.. zero trend for 40 years

          7. No warming in the USA since 2005 when a non-corrupted system was installed, until the beginning of the current El Nino.

          8. UAH Global Land shows no warming from 1979 1997, the no warming from 2001 – 2015

          9. Iceland essentially the same temperature as in the late 1930s as now, maybe slightly lower

          10. Southern Sea temperatures not warming from 1982 2005, then cooling

          11. Even UAH NoPol shows no warming this century until the large spike in January 2016.

          That is DESPITE a large climb in CO2 levels over those periods.

          There IS NO CO2 WARMING effect.

          The ONLY real warming has come from ElNino and ocean circulation effects.

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            Craig Thomas

            OK, good-oh, Andy has provided me with a heap of stuff to spend my time checking…
            Let’s start with 1.
            “No warming in the UAH satellite record from 1980 to 1998 El Nino”
            Hmmm….what is it about people who (carefully?) choose short periods of temperature record in an attempt to, “prove” something?
            In any case, the assertion is wrong, I see wamring:
            http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/uah/from:1980/to:1998/mean:12/plot/uah/from:1980/to:1998/trend

            Worse, if I (carelessly?) retrieve all the data that Andy has…er…”adjusted”, I get a very interesting graph indeed:
            http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/uah/from:1900/to:2020/mean:12/plot/uah/from:1900/to:2020/trend

            So, based on Andy’s extremely dodgy start here, I might not bother the rest of his assertions until he comes back with an apology and an explanation for telling us porkies….over to you Andy.

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              AndyG55

              So Craig..

              Below you are totally destroyed in attempting to counter the first point

              I have data and graphs to support EVERY one of my points.

              Do you want to continue ??

              Your absolute reliance on El Ninos to CREATE a trend that doesn’t really exist between them, totally backs up my final comment. Thanks. :-)

              The ONLY real warming has come from El Nino and ocean circulation effects.

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            AndyG55

            roflmao..

            You STILL don’t know that WFT uses the older version of UAH

            Is there anything you DO know.

            Are you perpetually IGNORANT.

            The 1998 El Nino started in mid 1997.

            I suggest you actually find the data and try to do the work of understanding at least SOMETHING about how these climate events work.

            Your second graph is the bog-standard warmista effort of letting a monkey loose with a ruler, and displays the basic total lack of understanding of climate systems by nearly all AGW cultists.

            https://s19.postimg.org/iwoqwlg1f/UAH_before_El_nino.png

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          el gordo

          ‘No, I didn’t know that.’

          Graham Lloyd used the word in last Saturday’s Oz, apparently there is a consensus among scientists that world temperatures have plateaued since 1998.

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            Craig Thomas

            Is this *the* Graham Lloyd, the Nobel-prize-winning expert climate researcher?

            The consensus you claim exists would be very strange indeed, seeing as no such plateau exists – I am interested in whether you can provide anything credible which would convince a sceptical person such as myself that said consensus exists anywhere outside the fevered imaginations of people who prefer stories to reality?

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              AndyG55

              YAWN

              DAT is NOT your friend, Craig.

              The PLATEAU did indeed exist, and it will come back again in a few months time once the TRANSIENT of the El Nino fully subsides.

              Chances are that it will then EXTEND RAPIDLY as the temperatures continue to ease off back to the COLD period of the 1970′s.

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                Craig Thomas

                Yes, you can draw some kind of a “plateau” using any peak in the data series as your starting point.

                Absolutely meaningless exercise in cherry-picking.

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                AndyG55

                Poor Craig, still has no idea that the PLATEAU was NOT cherry-picked,

                He has again shown that he has ZERO comprehension of basic mathematics.

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          el gordo

          By the way Craig the escalator was debunked years ago, nice try.

          https://bobtisdale.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/bogus-escalator.png

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          Peter C

          you need to explain what the word “pause” means, so that the simple do not misunderstand it as meaning that “warming stopped”, because it clearly hasn’t.

          Yes it has.
          https://kenskingdom.wordpress.com/

          No warming anywhere except the Northern extra tropics. Even there the trend is expected to return to NO WARMING in a few months as the El Nino abates.

          CO2 going up. Temperatures, well not so much. Temperatures maybe not at all. So correlation between rising CO2 and non rising temperatures is busted. No Correlation=No Causation.

          We just have to get this out to the general populace so that people will vote against punitive Climate Taxation. It is harder that I first though but it will worth it,

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            AndyG55

            That’s the way of the alarmist.

            They take a NON-CO2 force El Nino spike, affecting a relatively small region…

            Combine it with the ZERO warming trend for most of the rest of the planet…

            and try to pass it off as “GLOBAL” warming.

            It really is a SICK joke !!

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            Craig Thomas

            So in your world, the word “pause” means short slices snipped from much longer variable data series, deliberately chosen for displaying a zero mean trend.

            Thanks. Not a pause.

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              AndyG55

              YOU HAVE NO DATA.

              The PLATEAU did indeed exist, and it will come back again in a few months time once the TRANSIENT of the El Nino fully subsides.

              Chances are that it will then EXTEND RAPIDLY as the temperatures continue to ease off back to the COLD period of the 1970′s.

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                Craig Thomas

                “continue to ease off”….er, not on this planet, where every month seems to be setting a new monthly record, hot records are being set at 17x the rate of cold records, and this year is set to be the hottest year on record.

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                AndyG55

                I hope you have a deep crevasse to hide in this time next year.

                And a very big rag for wiping the egg off your face. :-)

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                Craig Thomas

                If I ever need a rag, I will ask to borrow one from somebody who has been making (failed) cooling predictions year after year.

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              AndyG55

              You really have absolutely no idea how the PLATEAU was calculated, do you Craig.

              So funny to watch you parroting about. ! :-)

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      RB.

      says something or other.

      F for comprehension, mate.

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    pat

    woke up to the unbearably smug voice of ABC’s Robyn Williams & The “Science” show & hoW NASA will soon be able to predict the climate CENTURIES (plural) into the future.

    irony was it was immediately followed by news headlines, which prominently featured the “unprecedented” Louisiana floods and said meteorologists even now could not forecast their extent or whatever.

    13 Aug: ABC The Science Show: How satellites see almost everything
    Jack Kaye from NASA’s Earth Science Division describes some of the imagery available and its uses…

    thankfully, i didn’t hear the whole show:

    13 Aug: ABC The Science Show: Women in Antarctica making up for lost time
    1 COMMENT: By Tabanus: Once again I listened to the Science Show and once again only lasted 20 mins…
    So once again, 20 minutes of the program defeated me. 5% science content is just not enough, not when the rest is just politics and trendy sociology…READ ALL
    http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/scienceshow/women-in-antarctica-making-up-for-lost-time/7721512

    plus:

    A letter to students considering a PhD
    Niraj Lal is one of our Top 5 Under 40 scientists. He is investigating how to make solar cells more efficient using nanophotonics. Nij is beginning to supervise PhD candidates…

    Brian Cox – be curious and open to change, not proud and dogmatic
    Why do some people have opinions which ignore facts and evidence? Brian Cox and Richard Glover looked for answers when they spoke on ABC Local Radio earlier this week.
    READ THE SECOND COMMENT OF TWO POSTED:
    by Richard le Sarcophage: (HILLARIOUS)…

    Response to rapidly changing climate – deflect, distract, deny and delay
    Bob Beale has been writing on science and the environment since he worked as a journalist for The Sydney Morning Herald. Here he reflects on the lack of concern and the lack of real action in dealing with a world he sees as crumbling. What does Earth need to do to get our attention, Bob Beale asks. He lists massive changes seen around Australia’s coastline in just the past 6 months…

    Options for tropical fish: adapt, move or die
    As tropical waters warm, fish have three options. They might be able to adapt. But over the evolutionary history of vertebrates, adaptations to thermal change have been in response to one degree Celsius each million years. The world’s oceans are warming many times faster…
    Guest: Jodie RummerSenior Research Fellow
    ARC Centre of Excellence for Coral Reef Studies
    James Cook University

    all this in a single program!!!

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      James Murphy

      It is certainly a pity that the Science Show has descended into nothing more than a platform for political statements and “social justice” mouthpieces. I used to listen to it for discussions about science. I still try occasionally, and sometimes it manages to not mention climate change for a couple of minutes at a time, but generally, everything now orbits around that topic.

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    pat

    more divide & conquer by the MSM. AP’s Borenstein goes on & on as if he’s giving everyone a say, but all the insults are aimed at the sceptics:

    15 Aug: AP: Seth Borenstein: DIVIDED AMERICA: Global warming polarizes more than abortion
    EDITOR’S NOTE – This story is part of Divided America, AP’s ongoing exploration of the economic, social and political divisions in American society.
    Democrats (and scientists) became more convinced that global warming was a real, man-made threat . But Republicans and Tea Party activists became more convinced that it was – to quote the repeated tweets of presidential nominee Donald Trump – a “hoax.”…
    But nothing beats climate change for divisiveness…READ ALL
    “It’s more politically polarizing than abortion,” says Anthony Leiserowitz, director of the Yale Program on Climate Change Communication. “It’s more politically polarizing than gay marriage.”…
    Climate change is more about tribalism, or who we identify with politically and socially, Nisbet and other experts say. Liberals believe in global warming, conservatives don’t…
    Kahan says the most ardent doubters of climate change are also among the best-educated groups on the science – along with the most ardent believers. They are driven by ideology, he says…
    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_DIVIDED_AMERICA_CLIMATE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-08-15-00-22-01

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    ImranCan

    It’s the obvious intellectual deficiency that is so galling. I mean how complicated is it. to plot out the average temperatures of the summer olympics since 1896. It would show huge variability. I mean Helsinki vs Rio ??? And indeed how complicated is it to just change month, or hemisphere. Just look at the Qatar world cup. FFS.

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    David

    Maybe there is something in this..
    wasn‘t the diving pool colour change proof of climate change?

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