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At the zoo: Interpreting academics trying to interpret Christians and conservatives

Geniuses at Rice made a breakthrough and discovered that Christianity reduces the “negative” effect of being a conservative. Conservatives, see, are less likely to buy things that are “pro-environment”. The academic mindset assumes this is a personality flaw. Instead it’s an attribute. The environmental movement has a record of hurting the poor, razing forests, and destroying family businesses. There is a reason “environmentalist” has come to be a dirty word.

Supersize that condescension:

Obviously the true evil people are the people who watch Fox.

“Put more colorfully, Americans who are watching Fox News instead of attending church on Sunday morning appear to be particularly uninterested in buying with the environment in mind,” said Ecklund, who is also director of Rice’s Religion and Public Life Program. “It would stand to reason that those who participate in their houses of worship and who tend to be more engaged in civic life may have less time to be exposed to such media and therefore be less likely to follow the politicized conservative ‘line’ with respect to the environment.”

So, both Christians and conservatives are dump people who are fooled by Fox. But Christians are a bit more useful, not because they have higher values, but because they miss the Sunday morning Fox dose. It’s hard to imagine how this analysis could be more patronizing.

Peifer and Ecklund said they hope the study will challenge stereotypes about how religion relates to environmental care.

Right, because there is a stereotype that conservative Christians want to pillage the Earth?

Academics  have a couple of  stereotypes themselves:

  1.  That environmental consumption helps the environment.
  2.  The Fox information is “bad” and that other media is “good”.

The authors of this study appear to be struggling under a few of their own prejudices. Look for cause and effect here:

“We suspect that a religious identity tends to diminish political conservatism’s negative impact on environmental consumption because religious identification encourages people to seek out visible behaviors (such as environmentally friendly behaviors) that demonstrate the value of their faith,” said Elaine Howard Ecklund, the study’s principal investigator and the Herbert S. Autrey Chair in Social Sciences at Rice, and Jared Peifer, the study’s lead author and an assistant professor of management at Baruch.

What does it even mean?  “…religious identification encourages people to seek out visible behaviors that demonstrate the value of their faith…”

What about an invisible behaviours? What if some people do something because they think it might be…  (here’s a radical thought) good to do, as in a net benefit to humanity, not because of how it “looks” or what it demonstrates? That sounds kind of Christian.

Here’s another idea for academic study: Do non-religious people seek out visible (but pointless, or even destructive) behaviours to demonstrate their, um, “faith”, beliefs and tribal affiliation?

The ultimate left wing voter  Car Bumper Sticker costs $7. (What kind of bumper does this go on?)

Sticker, independent thinker,

Are left wing voters also motivated by religious beliefs? Just a thought…

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177 comments to At the zoo: Interpreting academics trying to interpret Christians and conservatives

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    Robert R

    Oh,its too cold to comment. …….it’s so freezing here in Oz at the moment, really cold……… how much worse would it be without global warming though?

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      Criddle Dog

      God I hate auto correct.

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      how much worse would it be without global warming though?

      You could never tell.

      Seriously; too small to measure.

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        Robert R

        Yes, precisely. I hope my joke was obvious. getting back to the cold though, I reckon this beats anything in the last 20 years, but I bet the climatariat still declares July the hottest July on record and of course, to them, snow blizzards don’t reflect cooler weather…..they are “climate change”

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          Dennis

          Do we need to ask ourselves why a majority of cabinet ministers here voted against the proposal by PM Abbott and other ministers to arrange for due diligence to be conducted at the BoM?

          I understand Minister Hunt was one of them, and Minister Bishop.

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            Bulldust

            Speaking of ministers… I see BoJo the Clown* is to be Britain’s new Foreign Secretary:

            https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/32051219/britains-cabinet-reshuffle-boris-johnson-appointed-british-foreign-minister-by-theresa-may/

            What could possibly go wrong?

            * Don’t get me wrong. I think the number one criterion for a politician is to be entertaining^. BoJo is certainly that. Send in the clown!

            ^ In this day and age I find it difficult to take politicians seriously, hence my criterion.

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              Manfred

              Were we lucky indeed to have a man such as Boris down-under, educated and down to earth, with a gift of appeal to so many, unlike the pale gray shadows that inhabit the Australasian plutocracy, preoccupied as they are with UN Compliance and Revenue.

              Boris, an interesting and entertaining man, possibly who would be King in his time.

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            Peter C

            Do we need to ask ourselves why a majority of cabinet ministers here voted against the proposal by PM Abbott and other ministers to arrange for due diligence to be conducted at the BoM?

            I understand Minister Hunt was one of them, and Minister Bishop.

            Yes we do need to ask about that. I have not seen an answer from any one in the cabinet.

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          Egor TheOne

          Yep, the Hottest July this year!

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            AndyG55

            If anyone says its the “Hottest July ever” down here..

            You KNOW they are high on a massive hallucinogenic cocktail !!

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          Mike

          What is needed to settle the-question-of-the-weather-forever is a BOM (Bureau Of Meteorologic) App (Aplication) ‘like’ Pokemon GO to hunt the weather. In effect, all kinds of weather data could be obtained using GPS (Global Positioning System) using Pokemon GO architecture adapted for use to obtain/hunt climate data/intelligence.

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            Mike

            Unemployed people could obtain/hunt climate data/intelligence to effectively be employed if a government App is supplied for download.

            The idea of getting people out to hunt climate data is an exciting frontier and logical extension to the Pokemon GO concept.. And the data would be free as people love to play games and will willingly pay for the privilege.

            Obviously this concept needs further elaboration, but the basic structure is already there.
            Thanks Mike.

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              Mike

              It would also be possible to retrofit a mobile phone with additional sensors to obtain data about CO2 concentrations or even radiation. These days, sensors and accompanying electronic signal conditioning to obtain data about all kinds of things are very small

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            Bushkid

            It might be a good way to sharpen up the BOM in both its forecasting and the accuracy of the rainfall radar pictures. Frankly, it’s beyond a joke lately.

            I’ve used their rainfall radar in particular for years, and been able to rely on it, but lately it’s been appallingly inaccurate, e.g. the picture showing heavy rain long after it’s gone, far longer than the regular updates, no rain on the picture when it’s actually raining. Oh, and it seems that in the 21st century it’s too hard to update the MSLP chart a whole 4 times per day, it’s often up to 2 hours of more after the time it’s supposed to be published. A legion of Pokemon-go players would probably be more up to date and accurate.

            So often lately we’ve had forecasts of bad/wet weather, I’ve had work cancelled or postponed because of that forecast bad weather that hasn’t eventuated (I work outdoors). I’m self-employed, I don’t need the extra hassle, expense or waste of my time, and nor do my clients.

            If the BOM spent less time rearranging historical temperature data to create a warming trend they’d have more time for accurate forecasting and reporting.

            I think I’ll go back to wetting a finger and sticking it in the air. That’d be the third digit, by the way.

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        delcon2

        Seriously,some academic put their name to this rubbish?

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      AndyG55

      I have to work outside from 8am tomorrow.

      Seriously !

      I’m getting toooooo old for this !!

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        KinkyKeith

        Impatient. Ignore red thumb.

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        Yonniestone

        I get to work outside for 4-6 hours every day rain hail or shine, what joy! :(

        Could be worse though, could be inventing surveys with cliche dissonance and heavy confirmation bias for a uni named after ‘Khao khluk kapi’ a Thai rice dish who’s initials are KKK relating directly to it’s founder William M Rice who was the Grand Wizard of the Texas chapter.

        Or maybe that survey was correct in my invisible behaviour.

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          AndyG55

          “I get to work outside for 4-6 hours every day rain hail or shine”

          Yeah, Yeah.. whatever…….

          I’m used to a heated office !! :-)

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      Robert O

      Interesting, demand for electricity went up about 4000 MW since yesterday as people put the heaters and heat pumps on, a bit over 30,000 MW at 6 pm. Yes, it was the thermal generators supplying most of this, the wind was contributing around 6.5 % of the total, Hydro about 10% and Solar zero.

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        Dennis

        Don’t these consumers realise that electricity supplies are running short and demanding more means another hefty price increase will have to be arranged.

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        Robert O

        Another cold day: at 6 pm. Consumption was 30,000 MW total, 25,000 MW thermal, 3,500 MW hydro, 1,500 MW wind, and 000 MW Solar.

        Percentage figures out of the total capacities were: Thermal 64% (39,282 MW), Hydro 44% (8,035 MW), Wind 40% (3669 MW) and Solar 0% (234 MW). So essentially Thermal and Hydro generation were providing 95% of the electricity demand and Wind 5%.

        The Hydro stations, the Snowy and the Tasmanian schemes, have been producing for many decades and have nothing much to do with the current politics of renewable energy. But the wind and solar generation facilities are much newer and heavily subsidised by governments. How one can lift the production of the solar and wind plants from 5% to 50% by 2030 is the billion dollar question as solar cannot provide any input at night and the wind turbines are currently operating at 40% capacity, but this can drop to below 10% in a matter of hours.

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      David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

      Thank God it has warmed from the LIA.
      Cheers,
      Dave B

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    Criddle Dog

    Agreed Robert.

    Rained from Tennant Creek to near the Alice today, and it’s damned cold here.
    Only trouble is I have to head further south.

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    ROM

    OK. Now demand that these academics publish a similar critical of religion study on;

    Muslims in Saudia Arabia and Pakistan.

    Hindus in India.

    Buddhists in Sri Lanka

    Shintoism in Japan with reference to WW2

    And etc;

    And then let them contemplate what their life expectancy might extend to!

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    Horace

    Everyone has religious convictions, even atheists who espouse the religion of ‘Scientific Materialism.’ These convictions provide the presuppositions from which we make sense of the world and they are held by faith.
    I am a conservative Christian and I appreciate Jo’s blog because she is prepared to let ideas be tested without insulting those whose world-view others dismiss with abusive put-downs rather than reasoned debate.
    I am also an AGW sceptic, despite NOT watching Fox News on Sunday mornings. I hope the third option on the bumper sticker reflects my position.

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      wert

      I’m unreligious and wouldn’t know what you mean by Scientific Materialism.

      I do think there are plenty of stupid non-religious beliefs. But really, really what I don’t have is religion. Religion is simply not same as believing something or having beliefs.

      What could be true is that you can invent a name for my views, but it won’t be a religion even if you do it.

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        Monna Manhas

        Horace is right. Many people, particularly those who consider themselves “non-religious” associate “religion” with worship of some type (usually whatever type they are most familiar with), or an ethical code. They think that if they don’t adhere to a particular code or worship in a particular way, then they are “not religious”.

        However, whatever a person considers to be “divine per se” – i.e., unconditionally, non-dependently real – is, in essence, that person’s “god”. It may not be what the person worships, in the sense of prayer or attending services, but if, for example, you happen to believe that science is eternal and self-existent (i.e. it exists independently from everything else), then your belief in science will colour all your assumptions, conclusions, and ideas. In that sense, everyone has religious convictions. (h/t to Roy C. Clouser, Professor Emeritus of Philosophy and Religion at The College of New Jersey, Trenton)

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        llew jones

        Here’s part of an interesting debate between a theist and the New Atheists at Oxford University. John Lennox is Professor of Mathematics there. Notice the very red faced Richard Dawkins (The God Delusion) seated on the right. Some 20C scientific evidence for the Big Bang theory seems to prove a little logically problematic for the atheistic belief system. (Lennox debates some of the New Atheists such as Richard Dawkins and Lawrence Krauss amongst others on youtube).

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WizINsNRlbE

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      el gordo

      ‘Everyone has religious convictions…’

      I respectfully disagree.

      ‘Earlier this month Pew released the results of survey that tried to determine people’s beliefs about the relationship between believing in God and morality. According to their results, 75% of respondents in China said that it is “not necessary to believe in God to be moral,” and 14% said that it is “necessary to believe in God to be moral.”

      China Source

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        ROM

        There is an old front line infantry soldier’s saying possibly from WW1 but definitely from WW2;

        There are no atheists in fox holes!

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      Rereke Whakaaro

      Everyone has religious convictions…

      A fashion that was first introduced during the inquisition.

      What if some people do something because they think it might be …. (here’s a radical thought) good to do, as in a net benefit to humanity, not because of how it “looks” or what it demonstrates?

      Not in the post modern world in which we live. It is now all about appearances, and the opportunity for selfies, and the approbation of ones peers. Any extrinsic benefit, to humanity in general, is merely an accidental side effect.

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        el gordo

        Monotheism has been a huge problem in the world, whereas a pantheon of gods helps to keep the rabble under greater control. Obviously I’m not at liberty to explain in more detail.

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          Analitik

          I thought that the religion of CAGW, where the only god is the all powerful CO2, is doing a great job in controlling the rabble.

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            el gordo

            The propaganda has been intense, but in an historical sense AGW is just a flash in the pan. If someone discovers the true nature of Force X then I’m prepared to give up atheism and become a sun worshiper, with occasional lapses.

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    TinyCO2

    While modern Christians tend to be nice, gentle people, I’ve too much experience with the old style, where cruelty and hypocrisy predominated. No amount of un-Christian behaviour was unreasonable when applied to non-Christians or even more heinous – failed Christians. Protecting the Church came above anything else, and the cult of CAGW is much the same.

    It just feels like another way to keep the peasants under the thumb, while the elites do whatever they want. Enough.

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      brill

      My God, how old are you. And where did you experience ‘old style Christianity’. “my God” is just an expression. I have no religious affiliation.

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      TinyCO2

      All my current neighbours vs the Catholic church of mine and other’s experiences 40 years ago plus. I’m not talking the Spanish Inquisition, just nasty people attracted to inflicting punishments for supposedly higher purposes. Some places modernise faster than others so old and new is somewhat relative. Some people are attracted to AGW because it suits their idea that mankind is basically bad and needs to be punished. Now I don’t mind being punished for genuine flaws but I’m ‘damned’ if I’ll be punished for some arbitrary definition of bad.

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        Dave in the States

        people attracted to inflicting punishments for supposedly higher purposes

        A pretty good description of today’s climate alarmists.

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        Manfred

        Jo writes, “What does it even mean?”
        “…religious identification encourages people to seek out visible behaviors that demonstrate the value of their faith…”

        The authors betray themselves. They appear to be offering nothing other than the projection of their own political bias masquerading as a preoccupation with the apocalypse. They project their own obsession with virtue signalling, well understood and discussed here.

        Their entire publication may be dismissed as a pseudo-academic political puff piece, eco-propaganda fluff. Maybe they think it rallies the troops, who knows? Ivory towers can play tricks on reality.

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    Peter C

    Joe had me racing to the dictionary with her phrase “Born Again Pagan”

    pagan

    /ˈpeɪɡ(ə)n/

    noun

    noun: pagan; plural noun: pagans

    1.

    a person holding religious beliefs other than those of the main world religions.
    “a Muslim majority had to live in close proximity to large communities of Christians and pagans”

    synonyms: heathen, infidel, idolater/idolatress, atheist, non-theist, irreligious person, agnostic, sceptic, heretic, apostate; archaicpaynim
    “in prehistoric times, pagans used to worship the sun gods”

    antonyms: believer

    •datedderogatory
    a non-Christian.

    •a member of a modern religious movement which seeks to incorporate beliefs or practices from outside the main world religions, especially nature worship.

    adjective

    adjective: pagan

    1.

    relating to pagans or their beliefs.
    “a pagan god”

    synonyms: heathen;

    I had a feeling that a Pagan might not share Christian beliefs, but maybe they worshiped False Gods Therefore a Pagan is a Gaia worshiper in this context.

    Can an Atheist be a Pagan?. I do not think so. Definitely not a Climate Skeptic!

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      John Smith

      ‘Anthropogenic’ is a religious term.
      It requires that there is a reality or environment that might exist without us.
      And that we could describe it.
      It is a fact that we are the product of the earth the same as everything else on it.
      The non-human earth does not exist, and to describe it requires a ‘belief’ that it could.
      It also demands that someone or something has made us special.
      CAGW believers can’t be pagans ’cause their belief requires a God.

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        Rereke Whakaaro

        John,

        You have me confused.

        How could we describe an environment that might exist without us, if we were not there to percieve it?

        “Yesterday, upon the stair, I met a man, who wasn’t there. He wasn’t there again today, I wish that man would go away”.

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          Lewis P Buckingham

          ‘How could we describe an environment that might exist without us,?’
          Almost any branch of science does that now.
          Astronomy comes to mind.
          The problem begs the question.
          What is the nature of existence?
          Presumably it never has needed us humans.
          For most of it’s existence the earth has had no human life.

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      RobK

      I had a feeling that a Pagan might not share Christian beliefs, but maybe they worshiped False Gods Therefore a Pagan is a Gaia worshiper in this context.

      Can an Atheist be a Pagan?. I do not think so. Definitely not a Climate Skeptic!

      Peter,
      I think you maybe drawing to conclusions based on assumptions that have no bases. Who is to judge a false god? Who is to say what a pagan believes? There were many claims made by Christians regarding pagans. Not so many actual descriptions from the various forms of “pagans” survive….”he who writes history”….
      Would a Pagan believe CO2 is evil or bad? Who is to know, though there are indications that they were very observant an in tune with their surroundings. Could that be scientific?

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        Peter C

        Thanks RobK,

        I think you maybe drawing to conclusions based on assumptions that have no bases. Who is to judge a false god?

        My assumptions of False Gods are drawn entirely from my Sunday School classes.
        So yes I agree with you.

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    Tim Hammond

    The sheer lack of self-awareness of these people beggars belief.

    They are so sure that their own beliefs and opinions represent what is “right” (in both senses of the word) that they are utterly incapable of seeing themselves in what they write. Yet the irony is that being so sure of your own virtue and understanding is a faith, not an intellectual position.

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      Manfred

      they are utterly incapable of seeing themselves in what they write

      Lack of insight is unquestionably a psychopathology. It’s only a question of degree…

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    handjive

    But researchers from Rice University and Baruch College have found evidence that religious identification and belief in a god dampen the otherwise strong negative effect that political conservatism typically has on whether people make purchasing decisions with concern for the environment in mind.”
    . . .
    Obviously our fearless researches haven’t met Al Gore. christianpost.com:

    “Al Gore is a prime example of the danger of seeking religious purpose in life through political interests and activism.
    Today, his declared central organizing life-principle is salvation of the environment.
    Yet for most of his life he was a member in good standing of the 16 million-member Southern Baptist Convention.

    Gore, sounding a little bit like a Jedi master in his Nobel Peace Prize lecture, said, “When we unite for a moral purpose that is manifestly good and true, the spiritual energy unleashed can transform us.”

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    2dogs

    There is a rotation of the political axis going on. Religion will go with the “centralists”, atheism with the “separatists”.

    The cosmopolitans in the present Left, who are largely atheist now, will start adopting (mostly particularly Pagan and Bhuddist) religion mostly to fit in and spite their opponents.

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      Gary in Erko

      According to Nostradamus we’ve got only 13 months until the third Friday of the month at 3pm when world war breaks out between Shinto Revivalists and Fundamentalist Jains over rights of voyage via the Spratly Islands.

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        Rereke Whakaaro

        Interesting intel, you have there Gary.

        18 August 2017, at 3 pm. It is in my diary.

        Or should that date be, 15 September 2017, at 3 pm? It depends on which month you start counting from.

        And does 3pm refer to local time, or GMT, or the time zone that Nostradamus was in, at the time the prediction was made?

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          Gary in Erko

          All very valid questions, Rereke. Too many for a coin, throw a dice to decide.

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          Graeme No.3

          Rereke:

          Don’t forget to allow for the conversion from the Julian to the Gregorian calendar in 1582AD (in France anyway, not England). Otherwise you may find the End of the World will arrive 13 days sooner than you think and you will have to go back to rescue your pets ( politicians and cockroaches can be left behind).

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          tom0mason

          Was not Nostradamus on the old Persian calendar based on the lunar cycle?

          Have your dates been correctly adjusted? If in doubt ask M. Mann or GISS as they both know how to adjust important event dates.

          :)

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    Pete of Perth

    How does islam fit in with their analysis? Guess it would involve the risk of losing your head if too much criticism is directed towards the religion of peace.

    [Guys you know we can't follow this sort of subthread far thanks to 18C. Sigh. -- Jo]

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      Greg Cavanagh

      It is a good point though, they pick on Christians and kick them around, yet Islam is both similar yet polar opposite. Islam doesn’t fit with there theme, in fact perhaps only Christian and Judaism does. Hindu, Buddhism, Taoist, Sikhsm, Baha’is, Jainism (I looked up wiki).

      They clearly have a narrow view of the world, and didn’t test their hypothesis in any way.

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      Russell

      Jo – you are a sinful person. You used the word “guys”. You know our esteemed and worshipped Australian of the Year has banned the use of that word! /sarc.

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        Another Graeme

        Quite right Russell, Jo’s reply should have read “You people of non gender specific sexually diverse and self identifying adherents of gender fluidity know we can’t follow…..

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    sophocles

    Right, because there is a stereotype that conservative Christians want to pillage the Earth?

    No,no,no! That’s just the World Bank, the IMf, all the Economists they train and a tiny minority of conservative Christians, the very wealthy ones. They’re all such decent chaps and chapesses, you know. They all work terribly hard to privatise the Public Domain, and The Commons, because their charters and consciences drive them to cure poverty and they earnestly desire to prevent the world from going to a Hot-place by holding Communism, oh yes, and Socialism too, at bay. Can’t have any of those diseases, those Scourges of private ownership, those … ahem ,,, sorry … infecting the body economic. Everyone knows Private Owenership is much fairer. Monopolies are so efficient. Just look at the duplication they save. Trickle Down does work, it just seems to take forever. And it’s just so Intolerable the world’s millionaires and billionaires should ever suffer the slightest bit of poverty. Just look at all the good work they do giving some of their filthy luc … {ahem}, sorry … money away to charities and doing other good works like financing the American Navy into another aircraft carrier. It’s only a teensy amount of interest, nothing really. .

    Every good Christian must take all God’s Laws to heart and obey them. Well, all except the Communist ones. Leviiticus chapter18 and 20 must be learnt by heart–to prevent The Masses from falling into Immorality.and Sloth… ah …Sin. Teaching everyone else Morality is so important. Its hides the Teacher’s own (im)morality which cannot be questioned, and their contempt for a select few of God’s Laws are never seen, like Leviticus 25:23-24.

    And after all that, Governments are so mean and nasty to them.
    Say Again?
    You want to what?
    You want to charge ME a Carbon TAX?
    What?
    You know the Rule: only the Poor pay taxes.

    Tell you what, we’ll make this a loan, and I’ll discount the interest from fifty percent to forty-eight oer cent per month, how’s that? . How do we hide it from the Plebs? Easy, call it a National Debt which has to be repaid. They’ve swallowed that ever since my cousin … umm.. what’shisname? Billy, Billy Pitt Jr, , thought of it. Right, here’s the standard agreement; sign here, here, here, and here, date and time over there. Oh, and send your First Born to this address, they’ll be expecting the bra… ah, package any time this week..

    This shouldn’t be necessary /sarc

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    JJB MKI

    Did they have a control group? Who decided who these were or what they believed? This study offers a far more interesting insight into the sneers goldfish bowl of academia than any other societal group.

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      Thus spake …

      ‘From the confines of my
      ivory tower, kinda’ like
      the Lady of Shallot,
      but bolstered by philo-
      sophistry-certainties
      ‘I’ – no, ‘we’ gaze down
      upon the hoi-polloi
      ‘n tell you what you are
      and what you need to be.’

      A serf.

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      graphicconception

      Quite right.

      These people always confuse microscopes with mirrors.

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    Yonniestone July 13, 2016 at 8:48 pm

    “I think we used to shop at Sneers.”

    Wasn’t that Sneers & Roebotics, or sumpthin? :-)

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    Analitik

    I wonder how I would be categorised since I am a conservative agnostic (or an agnostic conservative)?

    OT: another good delcon result from the election – more Nationals in the new Ministry
    https://theconversation.com/turnbull-agrees-nationals-entitled-to-two-extra-ministers-62437

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    TdeF

    The geniuses at Rice have realised that you only get gay ‘rights’ in conservative Christian societies where people may not agree but respect your choice. That must be hard to accept.

    While undermining successful democratic Christian and free societies seems to be the aim of the socialist lobby and the immature thinkers of GetUP, they should realise that on the extreme right or extreme left there is little consideration of their personal liberties. The people in the death camps of WW2 included the disabled, gays, black people, politicians, anyone with money and anyone who dared disagree. Both sides had these camps and they started a decade before the war.

    So many popular Green ideas seem more explicable as thoughtless anarchy than science. Greens want to fight the system when in fact we have arrived. Life is good, the best it has ever been but they want to destroy it, thoughtlessly. In particular demands for the shutting of the cleanest, cheapest, steadiest and totally natural power sources in brown coal would be a huge leap backwards, even to the windmills of the Middle Ages. Simply thoughtless self harm on a grand scale. There are plenty of real environmental and social battles to fight before anyone mistakes Tim Flannery and his Climate Council for real scientists wanting to advance mankind.

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    Sean

    This is not about science, political or otherwise, its about politics and motivation. Many ministers in the US are much more progressive in their outlook than the congregation (at least that’s the case at my church). The left have been very effective at influencing the influencers and are likely nudging the clergy to start including climate change messaging from the pulpit. But church attendance and tithing are not like taxes. When you start alienating your congregation, you might suddenly find yourself preaching to fewer people. Oh and by the way, the people most likely to leave are the older empty nesters who can afford to donate more because their kids have grown and started their own families. Lose 10% of your congregation that contribute 30% of your funding and soon you’ll find the church staff shrinking as well. I’ve notice that ministers, while liberal, pick their battles and while they may try to sell some liberal concepts from the pulpit, but climate change is not one of them.

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      Annie

      It’s all the trendy, lefty, bearded, sandled, highly PC clergymen who have led to the very shrunken Anglican church here and in the UK. People vote with their feet and money.The rot set in years ago. There are still some ‘normal’ ones around but it can take some searching to find them and decent church services.
      Also very off-putting was the immense scandal of paedophilia, not unique to the church but utterly disgusting.

      Annie…old white woman Christian!

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    pat

    almost as funny as the subject of this thread!

    13 Jul: ABC: Stephanie Smail: WWF Australia buys $100,000 shark net licence to stop it ending up in hands of fishers
    “We’re going to take it out of the water and make sure it doesn’t go fishing,” she (WWF Conservation director Gilly Llewellyn) said…
    “This will also prevent dugongs, turtles and dolphins being killed as by-catch, and help the reef heal after the worst coral bleaching in its history.”…
    Purchase of old licence a ‘PR stunt’, fisherman says
    The WWF’s fishing licence has not been used since 2004, prompting questions about whether the move will make a difference.
    However, Ms Llewellyn said it was a worthwhile purchase.
    “Someone could buy it tomorrow and go fishing with it in a couple of months’ time and it could be catching sharks again,” she said…
    WWF Australia is hoping donations will pay for the net fishing licence.
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-13/shark-fishing-commercial-licence-bought-by-wwf-reef/7625532

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      ROM

      Which immediately tells everybody that the WWF has far too much money and doesn’t know what to spend it on that would actually benefit people.

      Money no doubt given through small donations from ordinary people who are still foolish enough and ignorant of the real watermelon hard left, politically dictator trending WWF and who still believe the WWF still are a genuine environmental organisation dedicated to making a better world.

      And / or the WWF is just another tax payer blood sucking leeching organisation reliant on very considerable under the table tax payer funding channelled through numerous shady and vaporous financial outfits into the WWF’s well stocked treasury.

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      Bushkid

      So, a few more sharks in the water will repair coral bleaching…….

      Yeah, I can see how that would make sense…. to someone, but I’m not really sure who.

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    13 Jul: news.com.au: Snow in Canberra and outside Melbourne: Antarctic chill is here
    by Matt Young and Debra Killalea
    The Bureau of Meterology confirmed Tennant Creek, the fifth largest town in the Northern Territory, saw temperatures plummet from 30.1C on Monday to 10.1C today.
    The say it “could be the coldest July day on record”…
    http://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/snow-in-canberra-and-outside-melbourne-antarctic-chill-is-here/news-story/26dfa7d1aefff16070d9a558f8fb890b

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    Jim from Maine

    This article is stunning in it’s ignorance on so many levels that it’s hard to decide where to start.
    First, this is an interesting statement: “Put more colorfully, Americans who are watching Fox News instead of attending church on Sunday morning…”.
    It’s interesting because it assumes or presupposes that these are two different groups. Living in the land of Fox News, most of the liberals up here believe that it’s the same demographic. People that watch Fox News are the intellectually challenged christian right, and are spoken of as the same group. Discrediting Fox is one of the liberal’s great propaganda wins of the last decade. I used to tell my liberal acquaintances that their hatred of Fox had become so rabid that if they ran a headline that read “George Bush declares his wife’s name is Barbara!”, the liberals would jointly scream “See!!???!! Another Faux News LIE!!!”

    Asking them what if something that Fox covers is true is akin to having gravity cease to exist. And, the reason that both groups (Christians and Fox consumers) are lumped together is because they’re both intellectually challenged, you see. No smart person could be duped by either religion OR Fox.

    Btw, I don’t watch Fox, or go to their website as a source of news. All TV news in the US is basically entertainment which really isn’t very entertaining. I know I’m dating myself, but there was a time when the evening news told you what had happened. Now they want to tell you how to feel about what happened, and why it happened, which always fits their narrative. A recent survey somewhere stated that reporters self-identified themselves with a whopping 80% being liberal Democrats, yet refuse to believe they’re coverage/reporting has any slant.

    But I ramble…

    That paragraph goes on to state that because one of the groups goes to church (1hr a week?…maybe 2hrs?), they don’t have enough time to be politically poisoned regarding the environment. So out of 168hrs, the 2hrs that were spent at a church are the most critical in influencing how much and what type of news you watch? Does this moron think that Fox News only broadcasts on Sunday mornings, and that people have to decide…Church, Fox, Church, Fox…Crap!…What do I do!!???!

    I could go on, but what’s the point. It’s all part of the current political narrative. If you agree with Fox, you’re a complete idiot. If you disagree with Black Lives Matter, you’re a racist. If you support Trump, you’re “uninformed” or uneducated. If you don’t think Hillary should be elected, you hate women.

    I’ll hop off the soap box now…sorry, but that article just lit me up.

    Jim

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    12 Jul: UK Independent: Ian Johnston: Britain must urgently prepare for flooding, heatwaves and food shortages, says Government report
    Writing in the Climate Change Risk Assessment report, leading scientist Lord Krebs stressed there was “no question” that the primary response to climate change should be to reduce greenhouse gases…
    Commenting on the report, an American scientist (Dr Jeffrey Kargel, of Arizona University’s Department of Hydrology and Atmospheric Science) said climate change was now happening “so rapidly that people around the world are noticing the changes in global warming and extreme weather with their own eyes and skin”….
    http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change-report-flooding-food-water-shortages-global-warming-warning-uk-must-prepare-a7131561.html

    such humility!

    12 July: Committee on Climate Change: A balanced response to the risks of dangerous climate change
    Independent, evidence-based advice to the UK Government and Parliament
    New report provides authoritative scientific assessment of climate change risks to UK
    The ASC’s new independent report to Government, ‘UK Climate Change Risk Assessment Evidence Report’ sets out the most urgent risks and opportunities arising for the UK from climate change.
    The report is the result of more than three years of work involving hundreds of leading scientists and experts from the public and private sectors and civil society. The risk assessment has been peer reviewed by UK and international specialists…
    ##The Synthesis Report ‘UK Climate Change Risk Assessment: priorities for the next five years’, together with the chapters of the full Evidence Report, and associated materials is available here (LINK).
    https://www.theccc.org.uk/2016/07/12/new-report-provides-authoritative-scientific-assessment-of-climate-change-risks-to-uk/

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    Ruairi

    Alarmism is the result,
    Of belief in the climate-change cult,
    With man the pariah,
    As offensive to Gaia,
    At whose altar the warmists exult.

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      Annie

      Brilliant yet again Ruairi :)

      However do you manage it so consistently?

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        Ruairi

        Annie, I would likely have stopped writing my verses long ago,were it not for the ready and charming support from you and so many others,and also of course, from our inspired host, Joanne Nova. That being said,my verses are an attempt to shift arrogant thinkers from their pedestals, be it in science , religion or politics,and to teach them a modicum of humility.

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          Annie

          Ruairi, I think they are very successful at that as well as being highly entertaining. Very many thanks for them. Annie.

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          Another Ian

          Ruairi

          Don’t quit

          “The Lure of the Limerick” needs a sequel

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        Rereke Whakaaro

        Annie,

        I will let you in on a secret: Ruariri’s verses are not written by Ruariri.

        They are written by somebody else, with the same name.

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      Mike

      If only this “Gaia”of today could embrace its earlier intent by the author/use of the word “Gaia” (In my opinion.)

      Unfortunaetly Pierre Teilhard de Chardin would in my opinion be insulted to have his name associated with mere CO2 as the only injury to the biosphere, or ‘Noosphere’ as he called it in his conceptualisation of what a huge living organism might be and beyond.

      He also coined the word “Noosphere…
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noosphere
      “The noosphere (/ˈnoʊ.əsfɪər/; sometimes noösphere) is the sphere of human thought.[1][2] The word derives from the Greek νοῦς (nous “mind”) and σφαῖρα (sphaira “sphere”), in lexical analogy to “atmosphere” and “biosphere”.[3] It was introduced by Pierre Teilhard de Chardin in 1922[4] in his Cosmogenesis.[5] Another possibility is the first use of the term by Édouard Le Roy (1870–1954), who together with Teilhard was listening to lectures of Vladimir Ivanovich Vernadsky at the Sorbonne. In 1936, Vernadsky accepted the idea of the noosphere in a letter to Boris Leonidovich Lichkov (though he states that the concept derives from Le Roy).[6] Citing the work of Teilhard’s biographer—Rene Cuenot—Sampson and Pitt stated that although the concept was jointly developed by all three men (Vernadsky, LeRoy, and Teilhard), Teilhard believed that he actually invented the word: “I believe, so far as one can ever tell, that the word ‘noosphere’ was my invention: but it was he [Le Roy] who launched it.”[7]“…..

      And
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_philosophy
      “Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, a paleontologist and geologist, believed that evolution unfolded from cell to organism to planet to solar system and ultimately the whole universe, as we humans see it from our limited perspective. Teilhard later influenced Thomas Berry and many Catholic humanist thinkers of the 20th century.”

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    TdeF

    Born again Pagan? This is the flippancy of the first world.

    I was shocked to read that 86% of people in Egypt and Turkey who think the sin of apostasy (changing/abandoning your religion) merits capital punishment. These are the more moderate, educated and largest countries in the Middle East. So those people who go religion shopping need to realise there is one religion which does not tolerate shoppers. Buddism, Taoism, Moonies, Mormons, CofE, Catholics, Eastern Othodox, even Sufi, Hindu, Sikh, so many accept that religion is a personal choice and you can change your mind. You can even be Green one day and Liberal the next. However you need to be very careful.

    You have to feel sorry for those who abandoned their families when the Rapture failed to appear. Of course then you have alleged climate scientist Tim Flannery whose endless and absurd prophecies of doom have all failed and his Angry Gaia has not even heated 0.1C in twenty years and his Angry Summer has been followed this year by a very cold, very wet winter across Australia.

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      Dave in the States

      A wise sage told me a few years back that climate change alarm-ism is the religion of the left. These people see human activities such as mining, consuming hydro-carbon fuels, procreating more humans in traditional families, and individuals creating and keeping their own wealth as immoral.

      Many of our problems around the world are being created by people wanting to enforce their religious beliefs through government power, rather than allowing people freedom of choice on such matters.

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        Greg Cavanagh

        It has been recognised for some years now that CAGW is a religion, it’s not been said to be a religion of the Left, though I must say it does seem appropriate.

        The Left leaning people (and not all of them of course), love the pristine nature of the great outdoors. However, very few of them live in that environment, else they’d recognise just how crewel and harsh it really is. They are captivated by the beauty only.

        Another feature of the Left which is predominant is: Projection.
        They betray themselves at every turn. Their analysis of other peoples motives is utterly wrong at every level. And worse, they never ask those “other people” what their motives are, or why they do those things.

        They seem altogether lost that someone can have their own mind, their own values, and act according to their own beliefs. After having heard about environmentalism, these “other people” can then choose not to believe it and go cut down trees and dig holes, what?

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          Ross

          Now tell us about the ‘features’ of the right. You know…how they don’t ‘project’. Chortle.

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      Angry

      “….there is one religion which does not tolerate shoppers”.

      Yes, the SO CALLED “religion of peace”.

      Interesting that cults also espouse this view…….

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    David Smith

    I really don’t know where to start.
    Rather than ripping apart the ridiculous assertions they made, I think I’ll just say that the lefty “academics” who wrote that paper are complete idiots.
    Regards,
    David
    (sceptic, atheist, conservative voter, doesn’t watch Fox News, still consides himself a lover of the environment)

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      Rereke Whakaaro

      I wouldn’t describe them as complete idiots.

      Completion, implies some final state, with a sort of coherent roundness to it. I would say that they are more like journeymen idiots, because they cannot even do idiocy properly.

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    Dirtman

    Along with all the other obvious errors, the authors assume that all Christians are conservatives, which they most certainly are not.

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    If there’s one thing that people of any religious conviction know, is that when it comes to environmentalists, they worship at the feet of Gaia and none other.

    https://thepointman.wordpress.com/2013/07/05/the-pause/

    Pointman

    ps “dump people” looks to be a typo.

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    tom0mason

    And If you click the link Jo provided above to Science Daily, you can see that they have links to Related Stories

    A Conservative Environment Makes Conservatives Happier
    June 8, 2016 — Various psychological studies have suggested that conservatives are happier than liberals. However, these studies tend to focus exclusively on the United States. Does a correlation between … read more

    A Better Look at Religion’s Influence on Political Attitudes
    Sep. 15, 2015 — Political scientists have developed a new strategy for measuring how Biblical interpretation influences people’s political behavior. A better strategy for measuring religious beliefs will mean … read more

    Moments of Spirituality Can Induce Liberal Attitudes, Researchers Find
    Feb. 25, 2013 — People become more politically liberal immediately after practising a spiritual exercise such as meditation, researchers have … read more

    Name-Brand or Generic? Your Political Ideology Might Influence Your Choice
    Feb. 12, 2013 — Conservatives and liberals don’t just differ when it comes to politics, they may also make different purchases at the grocery store, according to new … read more

    Make you wonder why they called it Science Daily and not Paranormal Times! What ever they call themselves they enjoy publishing trite populist junk dress up as science.

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    handjive

    The Climate Anxiety Doctor Is “In”

    “Climate scientists, who spend their working lives detailing the nuances of the planet’s increasingly grim prospects may be particularly susceptible to climate-related mental health issues, but the general public is also at risk.

    Climate change can affect mental health both as a result of individual significant weather events, and as a result of more gradual changes in climate.”
    . . .
    Of course, if you don’t ‘believe’ in a Global Warming Doomsday, you are not “susceptible to climate-related mental health issues”.

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    Another Ian

    Somewhat O/T

    ” Mike Macray
    July 13, 2016 at 11:35 am

    A few years ago a friend and I received a solicitation letter from UoCS including a “free” Calender with the above cartoon on the cover. Offended by the obsequious and demeaning tone of the letter (we both have serious science degrees) we consulted with Harvey Homitz, a mutual friend and ruthless humourist (of the P J O’Rourke variety), and a bottle or two later the following reply was in the mail:

    The League of Discriminated Scientists
    The Office Bar and Grill
    26. 43N 82.08W
    Planet Earth.

    December 20, 2013

    Ref 1: Letter from Kathleen Rest, 4 November 2013
    Ref 2: 2014 Scientific Integrity Calendar, Union of Concerned Scientists
    Attn: Kathleen Rest, Executed Director

    Dear Union of Concerned Scientologists,

    What a wonderful gift was your 2014 Calendar…and just in time for Christmas, Hanukah, Kwanzaa and the Idle-Fitr. (Good timing for the mid term elections eh?! well good on ya mate we got it …wink, wink, nod, nod, if you get my drift)… ‘course not many of the rubes will catch that one, right?

    Now don’t get me wrong, just because I’m a foreigner, I’m all for diversity so long as it’s confined to tattoos, body piercing, silly clothes and the like but NOT as regards heresy!
    No! No! We’ve all got to put our foot down with a firm hand on that one. Imagine what a mess we’d be in if everyone was allowed to think independently. Matter of fact, that’s what the problem is today… just like your calendar says about our Senators… far too many silly ideas and no one except your good selves (the constipated Scientologists) to keep ‘em on the straight and narrow. Obviously they need a good tongue lashing up the side of the head once in awhile, or a good dunking or stretching on the rack as your esteemed Head Scientologist, Tommy Torquemada, PhD , MWHW*, would have it for the infidel dissenters.
    But YES! You’re right on the money! We need a lot more Orthodoxy, and I don’t mean black hats with curly hair ringlets hanging down from under them, No! We need good Scientological orthodoxy like your calendar!! Tell ’em like it is and what to think. How else are we going to rein in the Egyptians and other folk living by denial? How are we going to step up to the plate and stamp out heresy with an iron fist if we can’t get the message (our message) across?
    Take Global warming (oops! Climate Change) for example. I’ll bet you $5 to a jar of dehydrated water that if you gave them a thermometer to measure global warming they wouldn’t know which end to insert, let alone where to stick it.
    But I digress. Back to the point and I expect you’ve caught on by now, you must be a smart lady with all those letters after your name – a bit of yeast, so to speak, in the otherwise unleavened dough of the Numerati, so here goes:
    Why not give a thermometer to every member of congress and sponsor an annual award (like the Oscars — perhaps the Rectors?) to the Senator with the best sound bite on where to stick his/her thermometer?
    Now 635 cheap Chinese thermometers won’t break the bank but it will goose your circulation and grab a great photo op. But be sure to use the +/- 3 degree accuracy thermometers used to collect the past few hundred years of adjustable data.
    Just imagine; the Union of Concerned Scientologists standing shoulder to shoulder with concerned Sanitarians (their Rotunda in the background). That’s the sort that really grabs folk by the ‘attentions’ (if you follow my drift!?), not to mention distracting the Tea Party from closing the $$piggot. It’s a win win if ever I thought of one!
    Next year, let’s hope those Senate Bozos keep the $piggot open for hard core scientology fact finding like the impact of Beaujolais corks on the mating habits of Mangrove Cuckoos, and such.
    Keep up the good work; we’re all on board with you, backs to the wall and all that (you can’t be too careful these days, with all those LBGT folk jumping out of the closet every time you turn around).

    All the best,

    Yours from the Far Right,

    Harvey H. Homitz. MA Oxon, Dip. Prod. Camulodunum, etc.
    Roving Ambassador at Large for $PIGGOTS**

    p.s. We’d like to make a donation but we already gave to SETI ! They said we’re desperately in need of extraterrestrial intelligence; seems there’s not much of the local variety left!

    * My Way or the High Way
    ** $ociety for the Prevention of Incestuous Government Grants On Twisted Science”

    A comment at

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/07/13/union-of-concerned-scientists-makes-shameless-ploy-for-2-million-to-protect-rico-20/

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      Ross

      I wonder how far they got into your not very humerous reply before screwing it up and free throwing it into the bin. PS; O’Rourke was funny. Your ‘ruthless’ friend is boring an needs an editor.

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        Another Ian

        Maybe you should wonder more as to how Anthony Watts’s dog got to be a card carrying member the Union of Concerned Scientists?

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    TedM

    The authors don’t know how to differentiate between “religious” and “Christian”.

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    TedM

    More contradictions in that bumper sticker than in “Gergis et al”.

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    Dennis

    Did you know that an agnostic is a God fearing atheist?

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    William

    What kind of bumper does this go on?

    Either a Toyota Pious or a clapped out Kombie.

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    “It would stand to reason that those who participate in their houses of worship and who tend to be more engaged in civic life may have less time to be exposed to such media and therefore be less likely to follow the politicized conservative ‘line’ with respect to the environment.”

    Are there any words of academic tongue or pen so likely to induce total incredulity as rapidly as “It would stand to reason that…”? I can easily imagine people of reason rejecting immediately any statement whatsoever that followed such an opening, including ‘gravity exists,’ ‘unicorns do not exist,’ and ‘there are no fairies at the bottom of Ecklund’s garden.’ Obviously, when an academic uses the word ‘reason,’ he/she means it in an entirely different sense than the rest of the planet.

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      Steven Fraser

      Saw the ‘would’, indicating the subjunctive, but could not find the needed ‘If’. I can understand the annoyance with such writing.

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        jorgekafkazar

        Just so. I believe the phantom ‘if’ lies in the unstated, but certainly implied, contra-factual conditional, “If Warmist academics had the ability to reason, then…”

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      Rereke Whakaaro

      And why would you need to stand to reason? Why can’t you sit down to do it? Admittedly, if I lie down to reason, I tend to go to sleep, but I put that down to the wisdom of age.

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        jorgekafkazar

        Standing to reason is nonsense. When academics are standing, the blood rushes towards their feet, away from the brain, assuming, of course, that they have one, which they often apparently don’t, considering recent trends in Lysenkoist AGW publications. Seeing the millions in grants they spend, I’d say they have reason to lie.

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        Lying down is reason itself! Much better than falling down, or even stumbling about! :-) It would sit to reason that those… must be pure Brad Keys. ;-)

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    “…buying with the environment in mind”. Huh? I know quite a few Fox viewers who don’t go to church. They tend to have plenty of money to fritter on posh products marked Organic, Fair Trade, Ethically Selected, Sustainably Produced, Dolphin Safe etc. If you go to a multi-million dollar home in Sydney where they love their Hannity you’ll find the expensive cisterns have weak flushes, the expensive hot water is tepid…and a Prius for the one child family is not out of the question.

    In fact, buying straightforward products to meet need is the province of conservative rednecks like me and the great mass of Labor voters in the ‘burbs. It’s where left and right come together.

    Because “buying with the environment in mind” is basically a posh thing, okay Rice Geniuses? Like voting Democrat is basically voting for Boeing, bombs and Gulf States. (Be careful you don’t end up Fried Rice.)

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    Ross

    “Are left wing voters motivated by religious beliefs?”
    Gosh Jo, who knows?
    I guess that would depend on wether a ‘left wing voter’ held any particular religious belief…or not.
    Just a very strange comment, Jo.
    Are all Right wing voters motivated by religious beliefs? Are you?

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      Analitik

      Why are you asking Jo? The weird categorization is by the Rice academics.

      If you can’t see the left wing voters/religion statement as sarcasm then you’re beyond our help

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      Rereke Whakaaro

      I guess that would depend on wether a ‘left wing voter’ …

      Are you subtly suggesting that ‘left wing voters’ are neutered sheep? That is either very cleaver, or a fortunate mistake.

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    OriginalSteve

    After reading the drivel that this “study” puts forth is purely a childish foot stamping and attempt at shaming Christians becasue they dont dance to the tune of the CAGW fairy story.

    I think its instructive – the key things the Left ( read eco-loons ) have embraced as beliefs and behaviours that God basically has said time and time again, He calls sinful.

    As such, the Left hate Christianity – namely becasue they want to trash conservatism, and conservatism has a strong correlation with the moral behavioural struicture created through Christianity. Christianity therefore is a bulwark against the repugnant free-for-all Leftist ugly behaviour and corruption of society , and especially our kids – “S*fe schools” was written by a marxist with the express purpose to corrupt & pervert children sexually….

    Lets be blunt – the Devil is alive and well. He has found many willing foolish dupes ( many whom seem to happily inhabit the intellectual and moral vacuum of the Left ) who would happily do his dirty work with a reward offered of the usual earthly trinkets associated with the human sinful condition – greed and abuse of power, love of mammon ( money ).

    As such, most poor behaviour can be traced back to sin – greed, lying, sexual behaviour, jealousy…..which is why Stalin et al made atheism the state belief system under communism. Commmunism was a failure by the way….

    But the “great” thing about destroying moral absolutes and imposing relativism is that when everything is relative, its a free floating morality that can be steered to whatever politicans want, as such any behaviour or horror can be purportrated by society of there is no absolute standard to measure it against……

    YHWH the God of the Bible doesnt change – what He said was wrong back 2000+ years ago is still viewed as wrong now.

    The Left hate that, which is why the huge multi facetted assault on our societies’ values on multiple battle fronts is continuing with the expressed end game of outlawing Christian morality and replacing it with a moral free-for-all ….. and with it will come horrors unimaginable in the West.

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      Greg Cavanagh

      It does have a lot of interesting features;

      It attacks Christianity, conservatism, and Fox news all in one go.
      It makes zero attempt to understand the people who are part of those listed groups.
      It projects their own beliefs onto others without verifying that any of it is true.
      It’s conclusions are that the people who belong to this group are stupid, driven by Fox news, and would be normal people if they didn’t watch Fox news.

      Plus many more…

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    ROM

    Jo’s concept of an Academic Zoo has some interesting connotations.
    .

    Zoos of course are where all those strange animals that we rarely see in the wild are enclosured to both protect the public from the Zoo inhabitants and the inhabitants of that Zoo from the public particularly when those Zoo inhabitants have a very strange way of looking at Life compared to the ordinary onlooker outside of the enclosure.
    .

    Zoos are usually publicly financed and are complete with very deep feeding troughs for the zoo inhabitants with very long snouts but also often have some private finance input just like Universities.
    .

    Zoos are designed to give their inhabitants the maximum of comfort and similar conditions the inhabitants would expect outside of the Zoo in the wilds of civilisation just like academics in Universities.
    .

    Zoos have fences and moats and barriers to separate and isolate the Zoo’s inhabitants from the real world stresses and dangers outside of those barriers as the Zoos inhabitants might find the stress of living in the Real World outside of the University Zoo just too much to bear.
    .

    Sometimes a Zoo inhabitant will attempt to escape to the outside of the Zoo but the residents on the outside of those barriers are quick to round up the escapee and return him / her to the isolation of Zoo for the safety of all concerned.
    .

    Zoos and the university’s Zoo’s inhabitants can be and are ignored for most days of the year by most citizens not directly involved in running the Zoo as they are regarded even more so today as almost completely irrelevant to the functioning of the average person’s daily life and are becoming more of a source of entertainment than a source of an increase in knowledge for the average citizen.
    .

    The inhabitants of universities Zoos frequently inspire a Climate of Fear in adults but mostly in small children by their antics and fearsome screeches promising disaster for everybody if they should ever be allowed to escape, reinforced by the publication of their predicted and fearsome characteristics in numerous fear inspiring scientific publications.
    .

    Zoos Universities are becoming facsimiles – or perhaps caricatures – of how animals academics once were in their natural habitat. If the right policies toward nature knowledge were pursued, we would need no academic zoos at all.

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    el gordo

    The deity’s helpers created the opportunity to extend the life of the Holocene, so that humanity could develop, the Younger Dryas put a damper on rising temperatures.

    By comparison the industrial and technological revolution over the past couple of centuries is down to human ingenuity and the survival of the species is assured because of increasing CO2.

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    pat

    very, very funny.
    Tim Blair has linked to it on a UK Spectator blog:

    11 Jul: Youtube: 7mins14secs: Liddle’s Got Issues
    Why We Must Have A Second Referendum – Now! A video by Rod Liddle for The Sunday Times.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBq1dZGrR3c

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    AndyG55

    OT, Video from Tony Heller.. http://realclimatescience.com/

    Enjoy. :-)

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    Excellent observations Jo.

    I believe the correct, academic term, for this trait of the left faithful, is ‘Virtue Signalling’ … less about virtue, more about signalling … just like red bums for baboons in heat (self serving!?!)

    The reason I am a Christian?
    Matthew 6:2] Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
    … it is the parable against bumper stickers :P

    I am proudly not ‘carbon neutral’; and not because I am against nature, but because nature breaths carbon dioxide, and the heat budget of the Earth is highly stable under whatever CO2 concentration, as paleo-climate already proves … no multi-billion dollar crooked, and useless, computer model/s and bureaucracies required to study paleo-climate.

    Beware of people blowing trumpets about their charity and benevolence!

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    Dennis

    I note that Dr Brian and friends are getting nasty at Andrew Bolt, Daily Telegraph.

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    Stonyground

    I’m a bit late to the party I know, so somebody might have already said this, but this bit caught my attention in particular.

    ” Conservatives, see, are less likely to buy things that are “pro-environment”.”

    Speaking for myself, I’m just less likely to buy things.

    I have a cosy little house, clothes, an old phone, a computer, an old car that gets me where I want to go, enough to eat, a gym and two bicycles. I don’t really need much more than that. The car hardly ever needs any diesel putting in it because I cycle nearly everywhere. So who is harming the environment?

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    Dave

    I did read this a few times Jo!

    Still can’t understand where they (Rice Team) are coming from?

    Jared, Elaine & Simranjit all are graduates from 2001 on as far as I can see.
    And all Nice Rice folks!

    Jared
    2005 to 2011 for a Ph.D. Sociology?
    2001 to 2003 for B of Arts in Sociology & Economics?
    Elaine
    2006 on BS, MA, PhD? All Sociology? Well?
    Hard to get info Wiki??
    Simranjit
    2013 B of Science in Sociology and Planning, Public Policy, and Management?
    That’s it for Degrees

    What are they talking about?

    1 Conservatives
    2 Religion (All Christian however diverse)
    3 Environmental Support (Or belief)

    Well lets find the OTHER GROUP they don’t discuss!
    The BLOOOODY Green Parasites on Global Warming, CAGW or now just Climate Change group of leeches that prey on funds generated by CO2 Tax?

    This has nothing to do with the things, ideologies & opinions etc mentioned above they are generating in PIER (Not Peer – but end of Jetty stuff) reviewed papers!

    IT’S ONLY ABOUT THEIR INCOME STREAM!

    ONLY the $ in their pockets

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    Analitik

    OT – the Very Fast Train is back on the agenda

    High-speed rail link between Melbourne and Sydney proposed by private company

    The company behind the $200 billion proposal, Consolidated Land and Rail Australia, are saying the project “would not rely on money from state or federal governments” and will take 20 years to build. The company board includes former premiers Steve Bracks and Barry O’Farrell and former trade minister Andrew Robb

    Best of all, Bracksy’s saying

    This project… is really about sustainable cities being developed adjacent to existing cities in Victoria and New South Wales

    So I wonder how they’ll arrange things so the taxpayers foot the bill?

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      Mike

      Maybe an app similar in architecture to Pokemon GO could be used to speed the development of the High Speed Train link. By designing the right app,(Similar to Pokemon GO thousands could be recruited without having to pay a cent.

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        Mike

        Seems a bit silly to pay money when all that is required is free labour recruited through the use of an app similar to Pokemon GO.
        Just saying and all.

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          Analitik

          I like the concept. A personal training app could be developed as well to get the inner city gym set out laying grading, sleepers and rails, along with the kids and mums.

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    RB

    It’s all change here in the UK.

    Department of Energy and Climnate Change scrapped.

    Taken into a new department without “Climate Change” in the title.

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    tom0mason

    Meanwhile the BREXIT roll-out continues –

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/07/14/britains-new-prime-minister-drives-a-stake-through-the-heart-of-the-green-vampire/

    Out with ‘Department of Energy and Climate Change’ and it looks like the UK’s disastrous ‘Climate Change Act’ is next for the axe, followed by a reappraisal of cost efficient investments in new nuclear power options.
    Though its hard to find what the new Department will be called it has a job and a half to get UK power generation back to reliable and safe, away from the unreliable and ancient.

    The new PM, Mrs May, is making a name for herself already — this story has legs.

    Hey Australia the EU apparatchiks are planning to visit you soon, go on give them a real warm welcome…

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    Roy Hogue

    I see that not much has changed with the “I know better than you do” crowd. I am both Christian and conservative. Make that Conservative with a capital C. But I want the environment around me to be protected from destruction just as much as the most rabid environmentalist.

    That said, I call it something else, Conservation. And along with my desire to see the world around me not degraded by wanton disregard I have to balance the legitimate needs of the dominant species on this planet, you and me to be exact, along with a few trillion of our brethren who have a claim on a place in the society of free men. So where does that leave me? I really don’t know where they would fit me anymore but probably in a camp I’m not in. They don’t know me or people like me who can see the whole problem, not just their perspective on it. And they certainly don’t ask for my opinion before acting.

    So for the record: Environmentalists and all your friends, I am not willing to see hundreds of millions of living breathing human beings die because of the policies you try to dictate. I would rather lose a species than see the UN’s plans for authoritarian rule of this planet coming between humans and their God given right of real freedom.

    It’s all right there in the Declaration of Independence.

    Paragraph 2

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness — that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government…

    We here in America fought a bloody war to regain that birthright from a king who thought he had some divine right to walk on anyone he chose to walk on. Now those rights are being stomped upon all over again. Government almost nowhere thinks it needs the consent of the governed. So how much longer does anyone think it will take for the people, this time not just in America but around the world, to stand up and beat you environmental, academic, journalist, authoritarian, dictator and UN types back into the ground you came from? You are teetering on the brink of collapse in many places. Your institutions are bankrupt and insolvent, kept going by vast infusions of printed money that represents no wealth at all and have a value only because people are gullible enough to think it’s worth something.

    Your mistake was in believing that men are the source of your rights. That left you open to the temptation to adjust the rights of others to suit yourselves. You know you are failing. You know you are desperate as more and more people grasp the truth about you. Beware! I think your downfall is coming.

    Like the old Soviet Union, you are rotting at the seams. One good push will overthrow you. I hope for your sake that you’re up to it. But I don’t think you are. I don’t relish the trouble that will come when you fall. But better it be trouble for the right reason than the wrong.

    Jo doesn’t begin to say what the whole picture is. And maybe I don’t even see it all. But at least I’ve been trying to figure it out for the last several decades.

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