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Climate numerology! Man-made CO2 caused heatwaves in 1930s,’40s, ’80s and ’90s

How convenient?! A new study shows that human influence on the climate started just before the major (and unerasable) heatwaves of the late 1930s, thus wrapping those awkward years under the banner of Man Made Climate. This study provides the handy peer reviewed link-bomb “answer” to that.

The inexplicable heat of the 1930s and 40s has been a constant source of pain  for Global Worriers. Skeptics can point out that the decadal rate of warming was pretty much the same back then, even though CO2 was at the ideal, clima-perfecto level, of 310ppm. How could it be that massive 400ppm of CO2 was barely able to break the heat records set when CO2 was almost 25% lower?

Well, finally, mystery solved. A new Australian study compares models that don’t-explain-the-climate with CO2, to ones that-don’t-explain-the-climate without CO2. These models assume CO2 causes warming, so when they take out the CO2 factor that was added in to produce “the climate”, the models prove, ipso gloriousi, that CO2 causes warming. Indeed their method is so good, it can’t fail. As Anthony Watts says “it seems clear to me that the conclusion existed before the paper was written.”  Quite.

Say hello to Climate Numerology and the power of “4″

The researchers seem to think that aerosols explain the cooling in the 1950s — 1970s (and the “pause” too?).  But I think the study reveals that man-made CO2 is especially potent in years with threes, fours, eights and nines.

The lucky numbers are: 1937, 1940, 1941, 1943-44, 1980-1981, 1987-1988, 1990, 1995, 1997-98, 2010 and 2014. These are called “record-breaking hot years attributable to climate change globally.” As opposed to millions of hotter other years which no one can explain.

The authors seem to have missed that we now know that CO2 has the most effect in years associated with the number 4. In 1937, for example, the CO2 concentration was 309ppm at Law Dome Antarctica. Adding the digits, three, zero and nine produces 14, a hot number. The heat of the 40s is obvious, as is the 80s. In 1998, not only is the year divisible by 4 (if you add 2), but CO2 was 366m and 3 plus 6 plus 6 equals 14!

Climate numerology has as much scientific validity as models that predict nothing. Soothsayers never had it so good.

Human influence on climate dates back to 1930s, new research finds

Humans have triggered the last 16 record-breaking hot years experienced on Earth (up to 2014), with our impact on the global climate going as far back as 1937, a new study finds.

The study suggests that without human-induced climate change, recent hot summers and years would not have occurred. The researchers also found that this effect has been masked until recently in many areas of the world by the wide use of industrial aerosols, which have a cooling effect on temperatures.

“Everywhere we look, the climate change signal for extreme heat events is becoming stronger,” said Andrew King, a climate extremes research fellow at the University of Melbourne, Australia and lead author of the study. “Recent record-breaking hot years globally were so much outside natural variability that they were almost impossible without global warming.”

My favourite line:

King said. “We were able to see climate change even more clearly in Australia because of its position in the Southern Hemisphere in the middle of the ocean, far away from the cooling influence of high concentrations of industrial aerosols.”

– ScienceDaily

Wasn’t the warming fastest in the Northern Hemisphere where the aerosols were also at their highest?

A long time ago, when science was scientific, oceans were considered to be a “cooling” influence.

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    Has anyone else noticed that any year with an integer divisor of 1 will always be the warmest one on record?

    Pointman

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    Manfred

    The UN preordained ‘climate change‘ ™ as the consequence of human human influence on atmospheric composition and land use. This ‘influence’ began the moment Homo erectus stepped out onto the savanna … lit a joint and serenely gazed all about, thinking of future possibilities.
    It is only a matter of time before the Über models detect this. Once done, the wailing and gnashing of teeth can begin in earnest.

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      Rereke Whakaaro

      Where did it get the joint, or was Homo erectus just smoking anything in sight. That may well be the missing link. Perhaps we have no reality at all …

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    It would be nice to see at least a significant correlation between global temperatures, which appear to be static, and levels of carbon dioxide which are rising linearly, before attributing “carbon pollution” as the culprit for global warming.

    We know that the “el nino/la nina” events play a very significant role in the control of our weather with more cloud and increased rainfall during the la nina phase, but this seems to be forgotten by most climate scientists. As to the cause of the changes in ocean temperatures and currents which drive these events we still seem to be in the dark.

    In the meantime the AGW hypothesis rolls on with the calculation of tonnes of carbon dioxide saved by “green energy” projects, and at the same time progressing more iron ore and coal mines which don’t seem to be counted because the commodities are exported elsewhere. It’s an easy calculation, every tonne of coal exported will produce about 90% of 3.7, or around 3.3 tonnes of carbon dioxide.

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      I was listening to the former member for New England, Tony Windsor, attributing reasons why he was going to stand for his old seat now held by Barnaby Joyce: the need to something about climate change was one of these, more about water in the Murray Darling system, and also about methane extraction on the farms.

      Apart from supporting the Gillard government and its carbon tax, he also sold his farm to coal interests apparently. At least Barnaby believes that the sun controls the climate, but it shows the depth of support for AGW in our society as well.

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        In much the same manner as Pauline Hanson runs at every election, Tony Windsor is not running to get elected, and he probably actually hopes he doesn’t get elected.

        Just like Pauline, he’s doing it for the money.

        The current rate for each eligible first preference vote is $2.62.

        So, in a seat with (around) 100,000 on the roll, and if he gets what is predicted at around 32% before preference distribution, that’s around 32,000 votes, which equates to (almost) $80,000.

        Nice little earner eh!

        Incidentally, notice how many Pollies are pulling up stumps this election, you know, to, umm, spend more time with family. Wouldn’t have anything to do with the changes to parliamentary Superannuation now would it. Man, wish my Air Force Super was as good as that. Pretend for a minute that SHY retires, or, (please let this be true) she misses out on being re-elected if there is a DD, then her Super will be eight times higher than mine, and I served my Country for three times longer than she will have. Having said that, life is good!

        Tony.

        Source – Current Funding Rate

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        Glen Michel

        Since I’m in the electorate of New England I would find it amusing to see Windsor stand.He wimped it last time- and there are numerous rumours – substantially true,that will bite him.Windsor might get votes in Armidale and some other regional centres where you have soft left constituents who are all hung up on CSG extraction etc. but out in the wider electorate he’s as popular as a pork chop at a………. bBQ.

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    Mentat

    Ultimately, it’s going to take some Cool Futures to sort these guys out.

    Mentat

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      PeterS

      A logical and intelligent mind would think so but I suspect the hoaxes and the illiterates will come up with some stupid reason why the earth would be cooling and still blame it on man-made CO2.

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        Rick Bradford

        The Cool Future occurred between 1945 and 1975, so much so that the CIA issued a report in 1976 saying that “the scientists are convinced” that Earth’s climate was entering a “neo-Boreal” (i.e. extremely cold) phase with attendant geopolitical risks.

        How these clowns are trying to claim the 1930s for global warming beats me, and anyone else, no doubt, who favours facts over feelings.

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    Yonniestone

    I found video of King discussing the importance of the number seven, he appears quite passionate about this area of science.

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    turnedoutnice

    I thought GISS had reduced 1930s temperatures so much that that hot decade never existed?

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    Joe Lalonde

    Did man-made global warming cause our past ancestors to move when the rivers dried up such as in Egypt and the Pyramids?
    Certainly makes sense for the engineers of that time to use waterways and barges to lift rocks miles away as well as a dam locking system to lift those massive weights that can;t be explained when the materials rot away with time.

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    richard

    they missed 1934 which was pretty much a world wide drought.

    and 1929 seemed a humdinger-

    “DROUGHTS AND STORM
    EVERYWHERE.
    ‘The world’s weather has been
    specialising in droughts,’ . says Dr.
    E; E. Free in the New York ‘Times”

    http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/138537700?searchTerm=world%20droughts&searchLimits=

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    Joe Lalonde

    Here is how “Global Warming” saved the planet…by…the starter of Green Peace.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3XlooigupM

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    James Bradley

    This marks the new height of desperation. Someone in the Klimate Khange Klan has all of a sudden realised that there can’t continue to be hottest evaaaa years sooooo – back to the past… again.

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    CO2 must have been the cause of early 20th century warming because the modelers cannot find another reason!
    Step forward the great Dana1981 at Sks on the settled science.

    While natural forcings can account for much of the early 20th Century warming, humans played a role as well. Additionally, the early century warming wasn’t as large or rapid as the late century warming, to which these natural factors did not contribute in any significant amount.

    We can eagerly await Dana’s corrective Guardian article.

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      Raven

      CO2 must have been the cause of early 20th century warming because the modelers cannot find another reason!

      I have one of these models too.
      When I run it with the CO2 ”forcing” it shows a statistically significant number of unicorns.
      When I run it without the CO2, I get nothing.
      Therefor CO2 causes unicorns.

      But there’s more.
      My study would be captured in Cook et al 2013 as explicit endorsment for the existence of unicorns.
      Continuing the blissful extrapolation, we can therefor show that 97% of scientists agree that unicorns exist.

      Marvelous . . .

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      Mari

      “While natural forcings can account for much of the early 20th Century warming, humans played a role as well. Additionally, the early century warming wasn’t as large or rapid as the late century warming, to which these natural factors did not contribute in any significant amount.”

      Something in this statement bothers me a great deal. It’s the sort of statement, and “bother,” that led me down the path of Knowledge, which led me to sites like this, and is on its way to forcing me to learn maths. Physics. hard number things.

      Natural forcings existed, and were the largest contributers to change. Then, man started mucking about and some of his inventions added to the forcings. But then, either man went hog-wild and added so much extra he completely over-rode the natural, or the natural gave up in the face in superior force and is hiding somewhere. In addition to that, we can tell man’s and nature’s forcings apart by ?? Do man’s wear little hard-hats, or gas masks?

      Thinking things like this have made me question the green line. Unlike most of my friends, who don’t care either way as long as the gas prices stay under $3.00 US.

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      Ian G

      Nice one, Mari. Maybe the NF are hiding deep in the oceans.

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    Spetzer86

    If you want math done correctly, you’ve got to go to the experts:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkbQDEXJy2k

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      Joe Lalonde

      Thanks for showing how kids of today would figure out math with a computer or ipod…

      Love a good laugh by experts who know how to create good comedy. Thanks!

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        In the days before computers!

        My Mum went on a holiday to SE Asia back in the early 80′s. As you might expect, she brought back some presents for her family. My good lady wife and I each received a wonderful, umm, Rolex watch.

        For our son, she got hold of an abacus for him. He was in Grade Ten at Ipswich High School, and doing very well. To the exact opposite of what I expected, he assiduously read the instructions and played with the thing for a couple of weeks, virtually in every waking moment at home, and that surprised me, as, by now, the schools were full of plastic brains. When he mastered it, he took it to school, and evidently, in a Maths class, just pulled it out of his bag and started doing calculations with it. Naturally, his friends were quite literally dumbfounded. Then he was asked by the teacher to demonstrate his ability with it. She (the teacher) set maths problems on the board, and all the students used their plastic brains while our Son used his abacus. Every time, he completed the maths problem set before any student achieved it with their plastic brain, sometimes even while the students were still pressing buttons.

        Now well into his Forties, it still sits on his desk in his study at home.

        It even amazed me how quickly even complex maths tasks can be accomplished with this one relatively simple device.

        We become so inured to new technologies being supposedly so much faster that we forget sometimes that things from the past were just as good.

        Tony.

        PostScript. My plastic brain sits on the desk here in front of me now, and is used on a daily basis, a 30 year old Casio fx-100C

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          Graeme No.3

          I can report much the same experience. In the 1980′s I had a refugee from Vietnam who learnt the chinese abacus very young in his father’s shop before further training at school and use in his engineering degree.
          He had the young blokes in the laboratory stunned that he could add, multiply and divide as fast or faster than they could on their calculators. (And usually more accurately too).

          He could calculate square roots and other calculations as well as merely calculating 6 figures by 4 multiplications etc.

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          Another Ian

          There was that wisdom of not challenging a waiter in a Chinese restaurant with an abacus with your new HP calculator.

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      Wayne Job

      The equivalent to the abacus is the slide rule, with more accuracy, men landed on the moon and came home again. The engineering and all other parameters were done on a slide rule.
      This makes todays whizers smart but mayhaps not as smart as those that preceded them. Those guys really had to work hard in the brain. The abacus is familiar to me also being old
      Those of old also used base 8 as a system that was more useful for large problems. The decimal system is a good way to dumb down the population for it removes all thoughts from the coming generations
      of anything remotely connected to all things important to the world. Some of the old measures were set because they meant something that was important, 360 degrees times the number of days in a years times 1000 is the exact number of feet around the circumference of the earth. Coincidence

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    The Backslider

    Recent record-breaking hot years globally were so much outside natural variability that they were almost impossible without global warming.

    Not making much sense here.

    Of course the planet has warmed, that’s known as “global warming”. If the planet was not hotter, then we could not have “record temperatures” (helped along with adjustments).

    As for natural variability, if we look at the entire Holocene we actually see nothing at all unusual. This is just a plain lie.

    The primary cause of warming is less cloud cover.

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    Gary H

    A recent article in the LAT’s.

    “A Los Angeles Times analysis of National Weather Service records going back to 1877 shows that there have been 18 streaks of at least three days of record heat in downtown Los Angeles.”

    I had a bit of fun . .

    Let’s also include two consecutive days of record heat, for fun (one could assume that a few days either side, would be close . . but no cigar).

    I decided to only jot down those that occurred long before there’d be any potential AGW in the picture, i.e., generally prior to the 1950′s 1970′s period (OK – that was before I read this page today). Also consider that the Urban Heat Island effect would not have existed back in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. To break a high temp record set in 1988, today, one should have to “adust” the standing old record up by say, 5-8F (oh right – they do this just the opposite):

    From Jan 3-5, 1902 max temp record still holds. Jan 8-9, 1923. Jan 20-21, 1912.

    March 5-6, 1899 and 10-11, 1916, and 28-29, 1879, with the 29th still holding the record high for the month of March at 99 F.

    April 22-23, 1910.

    May 17-19, 1892 and May 24-26, 1896, with the 25th still hanging onto the record high for May at 103 F. Yikes

    June 1-3, 1879 (look at these temps – 100, 104, and 100F). June 5-8, 1890.

    July 4-5, 1907. July 19-21, 1960 (that would be before any significant AGW was present) and July 24-26, 1891, with the 25th still holding the record high for July at 109 (1891 folks).

    Aug 17-19, 1885, w/ the 19th holding the record for Aug @ 106 F. 1885 also holds single day high records for Aug –14th & 25th. 12 days in the late 1800′s still hold record highs for Aug.

    Sept 18-20, 1939. And a 4 day stretch from Sept 26-29, 1963.

    Oct 12-13, 1950. Oct 18-19, 1940. Oct 28-29, 1931.

    Nov 5-6, 1898. Nov 13-14. Nov 23-24, 1933. Nov 18-19, 1895. Nov 26-27, 1903.

    Dec 11-12, 1895. Dec 18-19 & the 21st, 1917 (bet the 20th was close).

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    Robdel

    Episode 4 of Back To The Future.

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    Graeme No.3

    This is just the start.
    There was a claim that The Anthropocene started around 8000BC when the new agriculture caused the release of (evil global warming gas) methane, explaining the Holocene climatic optimum. **

    With the recent discovery that agriculture started around 20,000BC that will be reworked to explain the end of the last ice age. That will of course open up employment opportunities for academics to eliminate the Lower Dryas.

    ** sorry, I lost the link when the article was about half way across the room towards the rubbish bin.

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    Graeme No.3

    O/T but check out https://newmatilda.com/2016/03/03/nuclear-waste/ especially the comments.

    The writer is obviously a committed believer but the reaction! Not ill-informed as Non-informed. I doubt that many have read the article before frothing at the mouth. I doubt my Viking ancestor ever got that berserk. And these people are allowed to vote.

    It must bring home to you what Jo and the Mods have to put up with.

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    OriginalSteve

    I havent had a chance to look up the CO2 concentration in the “atmosphere” – presmuably in the 1930s it wouldnt have been much different to now?

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      Graeme No.3

      A very small increase from 1920 to 1940 with an increase in temperature at least as big as that from 1979 to 2000.
      NOTE: the temperature increase is being adjusted away as fast as possible by some.

      295ppm in 1896 to ~310ppm in 1945.

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      OriginalSteve

      Hmmm…the phantom red thumber strikes again….funny how you ask basic scientific questions, and someone objects….weird….

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    el gordo

    The industrial revolution produced early heat waves in New York.

    http://www.weather.gov/media/aly/Climate/heatwaves.pdf

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    Leigh

    Miranda Divine did a piece a few years ago when the alarmism because of a heatwave reached screeching levels….again.
    Heres a little of whats in it,
    “Sir John Henniker Heaton kindly recorded it all for us in 1879 in the Australian Dictionary Of Dates, which a reader has provided.

    It is an invaluable primary resource, as you will see. (I have translated temperatures from fahrenheit to celsius).

    December 27, 1790: “Great heat in Sydney, 39C in the shade. Settlement visited by myriads of flying foxes, birds dropped dead from the trees.”

    February 10 and 11, 1791: “On which days the temperature at Sydney stood in the shade at 41C, the heat was so excessive at Parramatta, made worse by the bushfires, that immense numbers of the large fox-bats were seen to drop from the trees into the water, and many dropped dead on the wing.”

    Heaton quotes from The Sydney Gazette of November 29, 1826: “The heat and hot wind of Saturday last excelled all that we ever experienced in the colony. On board the Volage man-of-war (a naval vessel), in the shade, the thermometer was 41C, and on the shore it was, in some parts of the town, 38C, and in others 40C.
    “To traverse the streets was truly dreadful, the dust rose in thick columns, and the northwest wind, from which quarter our hot winds invariably proceed, was assisted in its heat by the surrounding country being all on fire, so that those who were compelled to travel felt themselves encircled with lambent flames. Sydney was more like the mouth of Vesuvius than anything else.”

    But those temperature records are deemed “unreliable” according to their BOM.
    Tell that to the birds.
    http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/mirandadevine/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/aussies_have_weathered_natures_extremes_before/
    And the BOM and the media present every heat wave as something new.
    And they wonder why people like me are angry!

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      Ian G

      The heatwave at Marble Bar in 1923-1924 still stands (160 days of +100F) and so does Oodnadatta’s 50.8C in 1960.

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    Peter C

    King said. “We were able to see climate change even more clearly in Australia because of its position in the Southern Hemisphere in the middle of the ocean, far away from the cooling influence of high concentrations of industrial aerosols.”

    Euan Means has examined the BOM records for all stations within 1000km of Alice Springs. The unadjusted data shows no warming in that huge, hot, uninhabited area since 1907.Since the region is almost unpopulated there are no Urban Heat Island effects to adjust for.
    http://euanmearns.com/temperature-adjustments-in-australia/

    The whole global warming hypothesis is undermined or discredited for Australia and by extension the whole of the Southern hemisphere. What was King seeing so clearly?

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    handjive

    So what caused the cooling in the 1940s to 70s?

    “Fig.6 (below) gives a projection for the global mean temperature up to 2100.

    At a time when the northern hemisphere was cooling and the global mean temperature still below the values of the early 1940s, they confidently predicted a rise in temperature due to increasing CO2 emissions.”
    ~ ~ ~
    > Maybe it wasn’t carbon (sic), nor “an assortment of rare artificial gases, many never seen in the atmosphere before the 1960′s.”

    NYT, 1985: A new scientific study has confirmed a swiftly changing view of what causes the greenhouse effect -heightening both the urgency of the problem and the difficulty of controlling it.

    The study finds that the leading role in the earth’s warming belongs not to carbon dioxide, as long believed, but to an assortment of rare, mostly artificial gases, many never seen in the atmosphere before the 1960′s.

    > And now, it’s not carbon (sic) again:

    the conversation, March 9, 2016:

    “Apart from CO₂, there are two other main greenhouse gases that contribute to global warming, methane (CH₄) and nitrous oxide (N₂O).

    In fact, they are both more potent greenhouse gases than CO₂.

    The global warming potential of methane and nitrous oxide is 28 and 265 times greater than that of CO₂, respectively.”

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    WayneT

    Sorry. Can’t find an email link to send you this. Just reading about some kids in the USA suing the Government for lack of action on ‘Climate Change’, and Hansen is behind it!

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/climate-change/young-people-are-suing-governments-over-climate-change/news-story/e327a797ab048ba2013f7f96c2d3ffbc

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    handjive

    o/t:

    Green energy policies bring power giant to €7 billion loss

    “German power giant E.ON on Wednesday said it booked a €7.0 billion ($7.7-billion) net loss in 2015 and warned that “the course ahead will be tougher and longer than anticipated”.

    http://www.thelocal.de/20160309/global-warming-policies-slash-energy-giants-profits

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    handjive

    Wait. What?

    “Climate change could bring more rain to deserts, not less: study

    The research challenges previous thinking that higher temperatures will make dry areas even drier, and wetter regions of the world even wetter.”

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-08/climate-change-could-bring-more-rain-to-deserts-study/7229236

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      Another Ian

      Well damn!

      I’ve just built a fence using recycled high tensile wire that is a bit brown on the outside. In the knowledge that Flannery assured us that drought was the new normal and thus I would not have a problem with the wire rusting any further.

      (/s shouldn’t be necessary but just in case)

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      el gordo

      “We also know that warmer atmosphere does contain and can contain more moisture, and so it’s no surprise when we’ve done this on ground and greater detailed modelling to see these sorts of results,” Mr Connor said.

      Tru dat, in the same way a cooler atmosphere has less moisture and evaporation is greatly reduced. Paleo history has already taught us that.

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    Ted O'Brien.

    “it seems clear to me that the conclusion existed before the paper was written.” Quite.”

    This, surely, is the IPCC’s charter. To confirm a hypothesis.

    This should form the basis of any necessary criticism of the IPCC’s “findings”.

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    ROM

    In the field of Climate Research and prediction it is only recently we finally parted ways with the now rapidly dissolving belief that there is a connection between Climate Alarmist Science and its increasing volumes of a toilet roll standard Climate papers and some sort of an acceptable level of a reputable and publicly acceptable version of “Science”.

    Even that faint connection between what now passes as Climate Research and some sort of reputable Science seems to have dissipated into the ether and we are now entering the realms of Astrology and Numerology as Jo suggests above in the level of climate research papers that are appearing in ever greater volumes and numbers.

    The link to Numerology I provided above incorporates a calculator which I am sure is used by an increasing array of Climate Alarmist researchers as the basis for their prognostications on the past, present and future of the Global Climate.
    A Numerology calculator which they apparently regularly consult whilst they are writing their latest version of ever shriller predictions for the future, always in the future disasters that await mankind as the Planet’s 3.5 billion year old Climate is predicted to “collapse” [ ?? ] around us in a little more than a generation.

    All apparently due according to the climate alarmist researchers as apparently derived from their Numerology model research, to our sins against Nature in that we are merely doing what every other species on this planet has ALWAYS done and will continue to do in making life for our species much more comfortable and ensuring the propagation and future of our species as well as seeing off any and all of the possible competition.

    Climate Alarmist Research and its numerology based models have now reached the same level as those Winning Number Combinations you see in the lottery advertising web sites.

    The suckers like the brain dead climate catastrophe believers still place their trust and their hard earned on those “winning number frequency” combinations and when they don’t come good just dismiss it as bad luck and then do it all over again next week.

    And so it is with the Climate Catastrophe believers and the current avalanche of Numerology level climate research papers from the climate alarmist pimps of a numerology based climate research prediction industry.

    The suckers believe every dot and scribble of those climate catastrophe predictions and when they don’t eventuate they like Astrology and Numerology believers just put it out of their mindlessness and find some excuse as to why the prediction didn’t eventuate and then continue right on to the next climate catastrophe prediction with the utmost confidence and belief that it will be absolutely right this time around.
    ———–

    Marxism, Freudianism, global warming. These are proof – of which history offers so many examples – that people can be suckers on a grand scale.
    To their fanatical followers they are a substitute for religion.
    Global warming, in particular, is a creed, a faith, a dogma that has little to do with science.

    Paul Johnson

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    ROM

    Off Topic entirely

    “The Australian” this morning [ Thursday 10 March ] the European media I am reading, the USA media I am reading, all of them are just starting very tentatively to embark on a “mea culpa” in their utter failure to recognise that the increasing bulk of the western public no longer accepts the political machinations and political and business and financial elite’s dominance of the national governance across the western world.
    and even less the manner in which these elites are using their power of governace over their peoples to ensure their own advancement in power and wealth.

    Nor the fact that the media in its arrogance and its increasing detachment from the public and its insider attitudes towards the elites, that it, the media has missed in its entirety the rising levels of public anger and the increasing detachment and increasing dismissal of the interests of the public and the increasing self centredness of the political, financial, business, bureacratic and media elites in government from the people they supposedly govern.

    The signs were already there with Palin in the USA some four years ago.
    They are now becoming very evident in Europe with the rise of the French right wing Maria Le pen, of Merkel in Germany now rapidly losing credibility and lots of seats for her party in the German state’s elections.
    Sweden and Norway and Finland and Denmark are all seeing the rise of right wing political parties.
    Poland having experienced socialism of the worst kind under the Russian soviets for a couple of generations is telling Merkel to get stuffed on a lot of her proposed left wing solutions to the EU’s increasing problems.

    The UK is looking at Brexit, the UK’s exit from the EU and Cameron the UK PM is fast losing his gloss and will probably be gone at the next election.

    And through it all the western media has made sure it is cosily in bed with the elites across the western democracies every where and has outrightly and sarcastically dismissed any challenges to the elite governing structure as just right wing trouble makers and crazies who don’t understand the principles of governance.

    And now as Trump and the other right wing political aspirants of every colour show the pulling power they have with an increasingly disgruntled and angry public the media has suddenly realised that they might have missed the train completely of the public change in attitudes towards the current political set up and they are now beginning to go into a serious self examination on their own attitudes and their own completely unjustifiable and supportive fixation with the current ruling political elites.

    And this along with the media’s almost complete disregard and arrogant and sneering dismissal of the anger and frustration of a large percentage of the public everywhere as well as the sneering and arrogant dismissal of the rising field of political aspirants who have realised the levels of that public’s anger and frustration and are now starting to act politically to reflect that anger and frustration with the current ruling elites.

    Changes, big changes in the western political, business, financial and bureaucratic fields are getting under way.
    Like the curate’s egg, it will be good in parts and not so good to bad in other parts.

    But change it will and there will be much wailing and tears and tearing of sack cloth and casting of ashes in the Halls of Power in the times ahead.

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    WayneT

    from your news.com.au LINK comment #25:

    - In a separate lawsuit against the state of Washington, the government was ordered to look at its response in reducing greenhouse gas emissions, eventually resulting in Governor Jay Inslee directing regulators to cap emissions and curb them by 50 per cent by 2050. -

    from the piece below which I just came here to post:

    - At state level, Our Children’s Trust has had one win, in Washington. Yet to the campaigners’ dismay, this month the administration withdrew a proposed rule to reduce carbon emissions. -

    9 Mar: ClimateChangeNews: Megan Darby: US youth take climate fight to Oregon courthouse
    19-year-old Kelsey Juliana tells Climate Home why she is taking on the government and fossil fuel interests
    They are backed by charity Our Children’s Trust, plus climate scientist James Hansen and – inspired by Pope Francis’ teachings – two Catholic organisations (LINK).
    A media natural, Juliana comes across as passionate, articulate and un-phased by impertinent questions like: how can an 8-year-old (the age of the youngest plaintiff) know what’s best for them? Are they being used by adults to further their own agenda?
    “You are just looking for a way to be cynical and to deny that youth have such a powerful voice,” she says. “We are able to see through greed and self-interest and speak up for what we know and think is right.”
    The young plaintiffs speak from their own experience of climate change impacts across the US, she adds.
    ***Levi Drahaim, the 8-year-old, could see his Florida home swallowed by rising sea levels in his lifetime…READ ON
    http://www.climatechangenews.com/2016/03/09/us-youth-take-climate-fight-to-oregon-courthouse/

    ***with Hansen as an adviser…it’s not surprising an 8-year-old can see into the future, and a 19-year-old can describe it as the 8-year-old’s actual “experience” & ClimateChangeNews/Megan Darby can write it up without a trace of humour!

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    pat

    FoE spins a loss as a win.
    they’ll accept anything to keep the CAGW scam going:

    9 Mar: ClimateChangeNews: Karen Orenstein: Positives emerge from Green Climate Fund link with HSBC
    (Karen Orenstein is a senior international policy analyst with Friends of the Earth US)
    It would seem a no-brainer that scarce public resources should be directed toward those most in need, not giant banks.
    Still, the GCF Board’s disappointing decision today to accredit HSBC and Credit Agricole is not unexpected. From the start, the GCF has shown a bias toward large, international institutions.
    This bias is further demonstrated by today’s accreditation of the World Bank’s International Finance Corporation, the European Investment Bank, and the African Development Bank.
    Though the GCF was established specifically as an alternative to such multilateral development banks, the full suite of these institutions (i.e. all the multilateral development banks) are now its official partners…
    It seems highly unlikely that the Board would accredit a developing country institution with a track record of immense financial scandal like that of HSBC…
    Civil society did succeed in forcing a robust debate amongst the board with regard to the ramifications of the accreditation of large international banks.
    This ultimately ended with a positive step to build upon – the GCF must track the shift toward low-carbon, climate resilient development in the overall portfolios of accredited institutions, including HSBC and Credit Agricole.
    This will then be taken into account when these institutions come up for re-accreditation…
    http://www.climatechangenews.com/2016/03/09/positives-emerge-from-green-climate-fund-link-with-hsbc/

    9 Mar: ClimateChangeNews: Alex Pashley: The UN clerk tasked with ratifying the Paris deal
    A newly-inked global warming agreement enjoys no special status among Santiago Villalpando and his team of five lawyers…
    In the strike of a gavel, 195 nations adopted a global climate pact last year. Approving it may take years. This lawyer is on hand to record the finished product…
    There are four phases. Adoption, signature, ratification, and entry into force…
    Signing shows that a state will start the domestic process to accept the treaty, says Villalpando. That means consulting its legislature or executive…
    Villalpando likens it to a King sending emissaries to countries to sign a peace treaty before presenting it to the legislature on their return…
    http://www.climatechangenews.com/2016/03/09/the-un-clerk-tasked-with-ratifying-the-paris-deal/

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    Ursus Augustus

    “Man-made CO2 caused heatwaves in 1930s,’40s, ’80s and ’90s”

    I think I believe this assertion. The mechanism was like this…

    They huffed and they puffed and huffed and puffed until the CO2 levels in their blood caused them to see stars which they mistook for divine inspiration and associated it with their wildest fantasy which is always running on a continuous, mobius strip loke loop in their minds.

    Hey presto – it was a sign from God that we are evil and have been doing Satan’s bidding doing all that living.

    Anyone got a better explanation?

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    Graham Richards

    About 10 days ago Tony Auden of channel 7 mentioned the El Niño interloper again. Both #7 and the ABC spent much of 2015 “scaring” us with tales of fire,brimstone & drought that was to befall us. El Nino apparently was not a good navigator and prior to Auden’s latest update El Niño was last seen heading for South America. We were however assured that the dreaded El Niño in March 2016.

    Low & behold bang on time #7 announced on an early morning news broadcast 10 days or so ago, that El Niño had turned up off the coast of Queensland but has apparently had a change of attitude and rain was forecast. This El Niño fella is really fast. Having visited god knows what evil he returned across the Pacific to Queensland, in record time, to shower us with lovely rain. What a benevolent fella.
    Admittedly humidity levels mad of our summer temperatures somewhat uncomfortable but hell my garden loves it.

    Can we please get clarification on the pro’s & con’s of what I see as someone’s fantasies.

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      el gordo

      Its been dry and hot in the Murray Darling Basin, which is typical El Nino in decay.

      Is this a normal wet season up your way?

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        clive

        This summer has been the mildest I can remember.Only had the Air Con on a few times this year.I supply my own water and my tanks are pretty close to full,so the situation is very pleasant,for summer in Qld.

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      Geoffrey Williams

      To me el nino is a a screaming baby,
      I shall be glad when the little bugga goes to sleep!
      Geoff W

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      Ian G

      Only one TC this season has hit land in Australia – TC Stan, category 2. There have been a couple of ex-TC which were lows by the time they got here. Originally we were told there would be more cyclones. When that didn’t happen, we were told there would be less cyclones but more intense. What will be the new meme now?
      I suppose when the La Niño comes around we will have more TCs – natural forcings, not CC.

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    Alice Thermopolis

    AND YET, AND YET….

    “Everywhere we look, the climate change signal for extreme heat events is becoming stronger,” said Andrew King, a climate extremes research fellow at the University of Melbourne, Australia and lead author of the study. “Recent record-breaking hot years globally were so much outside natural variability that they were almost impossible without global warming.”

    Perhaps ‘global warming’ took a holiday last year below 50 degrees south latitude. Just one example how it can be COLDER in a (statistically) warming world.

    More snow in Ushuaia, Tierra del Fuego, in 2105 since measurements began 35 years ago. Southern Australia also had its coldest winter in over quarter of century, with snow in Hobart for first time since 1986, and Antarctic sea-ice at record levels, 8+% above LT average.

    http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/updates/articles/a012-winter-2015.shtml

    “For some it was on the cool side. Victorians shivered through a mean temperature (the average of the maximum and minimum) of just 8.3 °C; the coldest since the last big El Niño year of 1997. Melbournians had the coldest winter in nearly 30 years (1989) and the coldest night in nearly 20 years. Tasmania had its coldest winter in nearly 50 years with a State mean temperature of just 5.8 °C (Table 1).”

    BOM put a ‘warming spin’ on these facts by averaging/homogenising them across the entire country. Good try, guys, but still snow down to sea-level at Clifton Beach.

    Seems there are lies, damned lies and weather statistics. And no one lives in a region of ‘average’ temperature.

    So what happened last year to global temperatures? Watch this 5 minute video by GWPF’s Dr David Whitehouse:

    http://www.thegwpf.com/after-el-nino-will-the-global-warming-pause-continue/

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    TdeF

    It’s odd. People around the world were in awe of Amundsen reaching the South Pole, of Hilary climbing Mt Everest, of man landing on the moon. Impossible feats or daring to places we could not exist for long.

    Now we puny humans supposedly have conquered the universe and control the very temperature of the planet from pole to pole thanks to a tiny gas we emit when we breathe. How gratifying. What nonsense. Ignorance to arrogance in such a short time. Now I read we have been in control of the planet’s weather from before the discovery of petrol in the 1840s, a substance which was considered useless until the 1880s because it was too dangerous.

    Perhaps we can go back further in time and find the Romans were responsible for the Roman warming and those canny artists and philosophers of the Renaissance for the warming in the middle ages? We can all blame Rene Descartes for the mathematics which dominates modern science. He caused this problem.

    Of course the world has enough CO2 to have the entire greenhouse effect and adding more does nothing but we are told we have to reduce future CO2 emissions? Why? We are already at peak CO2

    Then why is CO2 pollution and CO2 power always ‘dirty’ power, fuel ‘dirty’ energy and everything else is ‘clean’? CO2 is not dirty. Why is CO2 even termed as pollution given that we are all made from it? How can CO2 be a threat to us if we are ultimated fabricated by CO2 capture in photosynthesis?

    Apart from the alleged tiny warming, everything about CO2 is good and it is invisible, the essential ingredient of the carbon cycle from which all life on earth is made. Earth to earth, carbon to ashes.

    Frankly, I think many people have no real idea of chemistry or belief in it. They hear CO2 has Carbon, so they accept it is dirty. Do people actually believe H2O is made from two flammable gases? I doubt it. So people who do not know how their TV works or why their car moves are convinced CO2 is the root of all evil. What is odd is when actual scientists go along with this nonsense and publish such rubbish.

    As an aside, I watched a great BBC program on the origins and fate of the known Universe, how elements were created inside suns, elements including Oxygen we breathe and Nitrogen in our DNA. Being a BBC program though, they failed to mention Carbon, just dropping it out of the sequence. No one wants to even talk about evil carbon, the devil’s element. It used to be Sulphur.

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      TdeF

      I mean people get away with the word play, windmills are clean and CO2 is dirty. Rubbish.

      Windmills have 300Kg each of the heavy metal neodymium. All the neodymium comes from China because the Greens say it is dangerous and have forced the mines to close with that argument.

      Solar modules also contain many potentially dangerous materials including silicon tetrachloride, cadmium, selenium, and sulfur hexafluoride, a potent greenhouse gas. Plus a known carcinogenic Gallium Arsenide and more. Solar panels would be banned from the environment without the support of the Greens.

      CO2 is perfectly harmless. You are breathing it out and in right now, but it is ‘dirty’ and wind and solar are ‘clean’. How does that work? Who makes this stuff up?

      We hear endlessly of ‘clean’ solar and wind power and dirty ‘carbon’ power. These are word games. CO2 is not pollution and is totally environmentally friendly, an understatement. Everything you see is made from CO2, from wood to leaves to animals and insects. Green is in fact a long chain hydrocarbon. Oil is a natural product, not an industrial product.

      It is the disposal of old solar panels and 25,000 tons of neodymium which will make disposing of asbestos seem like child’s play.

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      Greebo

      I always thought that the warming in the middle ages was due to all the “carbon’ emitted from all those incendiary witches.

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    Another Ian

    More climate numerology.

    Maybe Tony Oz can step us through how the calculations arrived at “clean”?

    “Yes, a straw burning power station!”

    http://pindanpost.com/2016/03/10/clean-or-dirty-energy/

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      (Spoiler alert – This comment may contain sarcasm)

      Why yes, this plant is indeed clean. (yep, there it is!)

      It will be burning 240,000 Tonnes annually of locally sourced wheat straw feedstock. and use woodchips as a backup.

      This is considered clean because, even though it will be emitting more CO2 than an equivalent Nameplate Capacity coal fired power plant, that CO2 is cleaner than the coal fired CO2, because, the CO2 for this straw fired plant was originally drawn from the Atmosphere during the process of growing the wheat, hence it is carbon neutral. (so, even though it, umm, actually emits CO2, it sort of really, umm, doesn’t!)

      In actual fact, even though it spews more CO2, this plant claims that it actually saves 300,000 Tonnes of CO2 annually. (umm, well, not really, because that’s only ….. IF ….. they had have constructed an equivalent Nameplate coal fired plant instead of this plant.)

      And it only cost $250 Million, mostly funded from the Copenhagen Infrastructure 1 Fund, via PensionDanmark, and has a 15 year projected lifespan.

      It is CO2 clean in much the same manner as woodchip fired plants are, or, as the many here in Australia, the plants at sugar mills using Bagasse (sugar cane waste) as their fuel source.

      Tony.

      (Hat Tip to Tom Harley)

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        Forgot to mention.

        This is a 40MW plant, and for only $250 Million too!

        Notice how all these renewable plants are pi$$y little things.

        Virtually all those early coal fired plants with a Nameplate less than 50MW are either closed or are closing.

        When they build new coal fired plants, they are all huge, 2000MW Plus, and soon, there will be two unit single plants with a Nameplate of 3000MW, so you’ll only need 75 of these, umm, renewable plants, and, at $250 Million each, there’s no way the big plant will cost $19 Billion.

        Tony.

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          only 4 umms in 2 posts Tony. Showing improvment there on the speech to text problem.

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          ROM

          Having heaved my share of sheaved hay onto trucks during my mid teenage years to be cut into chaff for the milking cows [ three cows, hand milking job every morning and night, seven days a week, 52 weeks of the year, ] and having thrown and stacked many thousands of bales of hay onto trucks by hand and then stacked them into stacks which we later pulled down to feed the sheep in the drier times, I can quite sympathise with the good residents of Scawby Brook and the straw mess the trucks are creating as they cart straw to the “renewable” straw burning energy plant.

          Any straw that is not tightly bound and in weather proof plastic wrapped half tonne big bales will shed lots of short ended straws when ever and where ever it passes through a locality.
          And it is bloody messy, will stink when it rains and is almost impossible to clean up as it just blows back again unless collected in a well covered container.

          And unlike Australia’s autumn climate which can be quite warm so the straw eventually breaks up and disappears, the english straw residues will probably survive the winter .
          They might even be kept at high levels continuously by the straw carrying truck traffic.
          So the good citizens of Scawby Brook can look forward to increasing levels of hay fever and a jump in serious Asthma attacks along with skin conditions and even allergic reactions to all that wind blown straw from the trucking of the renewable energy straw burning plant

          The best solution for the good citizens of Scawby Brook would be to take court action to have the trucks routed through one of the richest investor suburbs on their way to the renewable energy plant., a move that would bring home the stupidity and health damaging effects of so much of this crazy green blob renewable energy cult to those wealthy, subsidy sucking turbine investors.

          One of the major characteristics of renewable energy that continues to rear its ugly head over and over again is that it is ALWAYS the rural citizens who are forced to live with the amenity destroying effects of renewable energy and worse, the health destroying effects of renewable energy such as the increasingly admitted seriously health debilitating infrasound of the wind turbines which even the Germans are now admitting are causing some very serious health and mental problems amongst their citizens who are constantly exposed to turbine infrasound.
          As are the Danes also with entire villages being bought up and the villagers evicted by turbine operators to prevent the stopping of their very lucrative subsidies as the infrasound health problems multiply.

          [ German Medical Doctors Warn Hazards Of Wind Turbine Infrasound Are Very Real, Worse Than First Thought!
          In the presentation Mayer cites „120 scientific papers“ confirming the hazardous impacts of infrasound on human health.]

          If quarter of the citizens living within a few kilometres of a coal mine supposedly suffered serious health and mental problems the green cult would be out there in force demanding the immediate shut down of the mine.
          But this of course is the Holy Grail of “Renewable Energy” so the health of dozens and perhaps hundreds of Australia’s rural citizens who are forced to live in close proximity to wind turbines on which they had no say as to the location is quite immaterial to the green blob and the greed encrusted city based investors in wind turbines.
          As for those ignorant rural peasants, well they will just have to lump it even if it slowly drives them insane and eventually kills them, won’t they!

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          Analitik

          Notice how all these renewable plants are pi$$y little things.

          Please. Drax is 2 GW of biomass powered, renewable goodness, burning sustainably sourced wood pellets from across North Eastern America. And they are want to double the output in the near future which is technically feasible.

          [Cue Tony to explain why this is total bull$hit]

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            AndyG55

            “sustainably sourced wood pellets ”

            And not ONE American Greenie protesting about the rɑpe of American forests.

            Yet if anyone want to build a road !!!!!!!!

            Just like the totally lack of Green environmental concern about the Vermont wind turbines that devastate the local ridges, and the myriad other environmental disasters wrought by this monumental money and power grabbing [snip].

            The hypocrisy is really quite sickening.

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        AndyG55

        “(Spoiler alert – This comment may contain sarcasm)”

        Say what????? I’ve never seen you use sarcasm before !

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        AndyG55

        1. How do they get the straw there.

        2. How is the wood chip, chipped and transported

        3. Fresh biomass produces a LOT of particulate matter.

        4. How does the atmosphere know the CO2 come from wood/plants and not coal?

        5. What fraction of degree C, to the nearest 15th decimal places, will it make using hay instead of coal.

        6. What effect does this have on the price of hay for livestock?

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          Annie

          Hay isn’t straw.Hay is the harvested pasture grass and herbs that is fed to livestock. Straw is the stalk matter from harvested cereals and legumes.

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        Greebo

        because, the CO2 for this straw fired plant was originally drawn from the Atmosphere during the process of growing the wheat, hence it is carbon neutral. (so, even though it, umm, actually emits CO2, it sort of really, umm, doesn’t!)

        So, if I read this correctly, I can now use my wood fire with a clean conscience?

        Oh, what a tangled web they weave….

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      David Maddison

      It can’t be good removing all that biomass from the fields which should, I suppose, be plowed back in to the soil.

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        Another Ian

        Agriculture 101 but that doesn’t feature at high end coffee shops /s in case

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        beowulf

        David is correct. I don’t know about English soil types, but if we did that where I come from in Oz we’d have soil like concrete within a few years. The soil structure would collapse without regular doses of crop trash being incorporated, which is how it used to be here when we burnt stubble.

        It requires greater horse power to drag a plough through it multiple times to break it up finely enough to be sown. They are talking a 15 year initial contract for the power station, so good luck to them.

        Getting back to Tony’s point about these biomass plants always being pi$$y little things – there is a very good reason why.

        Just to put some hard numbers on the straw feed-stock:
        - UK average wheat straw growth is 3.5t/ha (Biomass Energy Centre figure)
        - Average dry matter(DM) content is 80%(figure ex 2008 study into agricultural straw)
        - Typical recovery rate after baling is 60% (not allowing for rain damage and rot before baling) (ibid)

        = a potential straw DM harvest of 1.68t/ha

        But this straw also has to be used for livestock at the rate of 47.9% of total, reducing the available feed-stock for the power station in a given area.

        = a potential power station feed-stock of 0.8753t/ha

        This means that the effective farm area required to feed 240,000 DM tonnes of straw annually into this small power station is 274,000ha or 2,740km2. I have no idea how much of England that is, but it’s a mighty chunk. No wonder they need wood chips as a back-up and no wonder they are only small power stations. If the farms have a bad year, the straw supply will dry up.

        As for being “carbon neutral”, the stuff has to be sown, fertilised, sprayed, harvested, raked, baled, loaded and carted to the power station – all with diesel power, and if you’re covering 274,000ha the diesel used will not be insignificant. Straw bales are loose and bulky to cart = more truck loads for a given weight compared to say lucerne hay.

        No getting around the fact that straw is a bulky fuel that is sparsely distributed about the countryside.

        I understand the Uni of East Anglia’s world-beating biomass plant has already been declared a dud too. That’s OK – it’s only public money they wasted.

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          Mari

          Beowolf said
          “David is correct. I don’t know about English soil types, but if we did that where I come from in Oz we’d have soil like concrete within a few years. The soil structure would collapse without regular doses of crop trash being incorporated, which is how it used to be here when we burnt stubble. ”

          Mayhaps this is where the gloomy scenes of pitiful harvests and food shortages come into play – all the biomass that should be enriching the soil being burned for power is part of the un-released and secret data going into the prophecies, er, models.

          I do like ROM’s idea of driving the straw through the elite neighborhoods – I’d like to see the new “clean” power plants built there as well, and perhaps a few windmills and solar arrays alongside the pools and tennis courts. In the US that would park the plants mostly in conservative, republican and tea-party areas, though, as the majority of the elite are not the liberal greenies – only the loudest.

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    John Robertson

    Strikes me, those railing against carbon, should do the obvious.
    Decarbonize themselves.
    Catastrophic Climatology is a religion, faith calls for virtue signalling by the members.
    As carbon is such an evil element, number one pollutant, surely the faithful must cast the evil out of themselves.
    Cleansing their very bodies.

    I am willing to help them, with a large fee,outside all national boundaries and my favourite tool.
    Plasma Arc.

    Sarcasm aside how can I parody the madness of a carbon based life form, condemning the element of life.
    That these fine folk consider themselves my intellectual superiors only compounds the irony.
    Which is totally lost on these righteous virtue signalling pea brains.

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    sillyfilly

    An interesting conflation of numerology and warming. Pity the actuality of AGW is still denied by the majority here, despite no evidence to support that contrarian hypothesis. What next, a bit of astrology to determine solar forcing.

    [Well, perhaps you should try a riposte using science, logic, and mathematics. Then you might get a comment published -Fly]

    [Aww. C'mon Fly. Sometimes people need some target practice... - Jo]

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      sillyfilly

      Offer stupidity like this ”

      “Say hello to Climate Numerology and the power of “4″”

      and what do you expect. AGW and the science you inherently disavow, get over it, fool!

      [This comment makes even less sense, than your usual efforts. Have you forgotten to take your medication again? -Fly]

      [Fly, They say sarcasm is wasted on children under ten... - -Jo]

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    ROM

    TdeF @ # 35

    Frankly, I think many people have no real idea of chemistry or belief in it. They hear CO2 has Carbon, so they accept it is dirty. Do people actually believe H2O is made from two flammable gases? I doubt it. So people who do not know how their TV works or why their car moves are convinced CO2 is the root of all evil.
    What is odd is when actual scientists go along with this nonsense and publish such rubbish.

    Number one, first and foremost.
    Scientists per se come out of exactly the same gene pool as the rest of the population.

    They are just as smart / dumb -stupid, just as honest / corrupt and dishonest, just as literate / illiterate, just as generous / hard hearted and mean , just as skilled/ dumb stupid and etc and etc as any other section of the society and the community.

    Scientists per se have a bits of the alphabet after their names from what passes as an education in a supposed superior academic establishment which they and a fair section of society believes gives them superior mental abilities compared to the rest of society.

    And some of them, a lot nowadays in fact, and usually well down the scale of convincing intellectual capabilities give themselves an aura of knowledge honed by the long learn’t use of high sounding scientific nomenclature so as to impress the public and the media.

    The reality of course is that scientists intellectually and their society advantaging capabilities are no better than a trained brick layer, a plumber, a lawyer, a doctor, a good taxi driver who gets you from A to B rapidly despite the traffic and the mish mash of city roads, or a farmer who is generally regarded as supposedly a dumb b*****d who runs a multi million dollar enterprise in the second driest country on Earth, next to Antarctica, who sells at the lowest price as set by world markets but pays high Australian prices for his inputs and does it all without subsidies.

    Or a brick layer who like my grandson who builds things that will have to be useable and exist through a couple of generations use and who spent 3 or 4 years learning his trade as an apprentice.
    He now also has been tapped by an agent for some international big entertainers [ ie Elton John was one example ] to be the stage hand looking after all their gear including the electronics at their Australian performances.

    The list of people and professions is almost limitless that rank equally and sometimes above the vast bulk of so called scientists in society benefitting skills and far outweigh the often abstruse contributions of the bulk of today’s scientists to society at large.

    And in just about every case above, those in the professions unlike a largest bulk of scientists, have to earn their own living and pay a whole array of taxes to be allowed to continue in their proffessional earning capacity.
    They just don’t get or expect an easy ride in salubrious surrounds on the tax payers largesse for the duration of their proffessional employment as do apparently many of todays scientific elite..

    The only real justification for the support of this whole often non or only part productive sector of society or what could sometimes be classed as a wild goose chasing sector of society is that a small percentage of scientists, like every proffession , make a major contribution to the uplifting of society and to human health and happiness.

    Summed up by one of my brothers a couple of decades back and a mature age agricultural degree graduate who said after his university experience;
    “In science you pay ninety nine [Redacted word -Fly] to get that hundredth guy or gal who really does make a difference.

    Its Time to take Science off that high pedestal upon which it was elevated to during the great period of real advances in science and real advances on every aspect of society based on that science from the late 19th century to around the end of the second third of the 20th century.

    Science’s performance today is the direct inverse to the increasing numbers of science graduates being production-lined through today’s university academic systems.
    The scientific gravy train is coming to a end as the gravy begins to run out but most of those that pass themselves off as “scientists” today are too enamoured by their own invincibility to ever see this coming.

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      TdeF

      Quite a rant. Passion is good. However you get scientists and real scientists. I would be surprised if the number of ‘hard’ science graduates is increasing at all. It is extremely difficult work built on years of difficult study and like a house of cards, you cannot miss anything.

      However you can now get a Science PhD in dead kangaroos, viz Professor Tim Flannery and not be able to add and multiply. A lot of the science people pushing Global Warming are pseudo scientists, degrees from the Science faculty but really lacking in the core training and expertise.

      Personally I have worked with a lot of great bricklayers and tradesmen I respect and who had plenty of ability and with scientists who could not make a sandwich. There is more to the separation but only 10% of people used to go to university and only 10% of those did Science, so 1% of the population. Now everyone goes to a university, even if to get a degree in bricklaying.

      My concern are those few hard scientists who for obvious reasons have decided to dedicate their lives to global warming income. It starts when you get a job with the Global Warming Institute and do a PhD in Global Warming in Australia. After 30 years of this Global Warming, there are people who cannot turn around and start and bricklaying is really hard work, so they stay in Global Warming. Gravy. Very few scientists see any gravy. They are usually poorly paid, working hard and struggling.

      So whatever the reason for your passion, be assured that real scientists exist, have ethics and think this whole thing is nonsense. Try the outstanding Murry Selby, Bob Carter and Ian Plimer. Unfortunately for Murry Selby, he was trashed by the establishment because he destroyed the logic behind CO2 driven climate change. I cannot imagine being dumped in Europe by your University with no credit card, no return airfare and no job. How he survives being honest I do not know, but you have to respect passion.

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        TdeF
        I have had a long association over some 30 plus years with scientists such as agricultural and plant breeding scientists as well as plant pathology scientists and scientists at many other levels in fields connected to agriculture, bread making and grain processing, bpulse production and processing, beer production which uses fermenting barley grain as its main base for malting plus globally recognised scientists from the world centers for grain and pulse production over many years

        Maybe I was lucky as a high percentage of the scientists I knew were good, some were very, very good indeed.
        The global agricultural science world is a fairly close knit community within each of its specialties.
        So fools in agricultural science usually can’t readily find a job anywhere if their past performances haven’t measured up to the standards their past employers were demanding and the word gets around.
        Unlike climate science with its vaporous facts that usually turn out to be mirage like on closer inspection, agricultural scientists live and fall by the field demonstrated performance and customer satisfaction at all levels from processing right through to consumption of the products of their research.

        And that judgement by farmers, the processors, the baking and starch industries, the malting industry for beer production and the consumer’s preferences relating to many other consumer type food products can be harsh indeed.

        There was a very self effacing quiet little guy here in Horsham’ s large Ag research institute who I doubt that even a super market would have given him a job as a shelf stacker.
        But he just happened to be recognised internationally as probably the best grain crop geneticist then around in the world and was always going somewhere internationally to help sort out the genetics or to set up a genetic base for crops in other rising third world and advanced world nations.

        It was the best researchers who took the time to explain their work in simple terms for a layperson such as myself.
        It was often the best researchers who one only later realised one had been speaking with the top guys and gals in their field in the world.
        They treated non scientists as equals outside of the field their own scientific credentials covered and did not/ do not display their scientific peacock feathers for all to see and supposedly admire.

        James Lovelock in a rather well known BBC interview had this to say re the science around the Ozone Hole affair.

        James Lovelock’s reaction to first reading about the leaked CRU emails in late 2009 was one of a true scientist.
        “I was utterly disgusted. My second thought was that it was inevitable.
        It was bound to happen.
        Science, not so very long ago, pre-1960s, was largely vocational.
        Back when I was young, I didn’t want to do anything else other than be a scientist.

        They’re not like that nowadays. They don’t give a damn.
        They go to these massive, mass-produced universities and churn them out.

        They say: “Science is a good career. You can get a job for life doing government work.”

        That’s no way to do science.

        I have seen this happen before, of course.
        We should have been warned by the CFC/ozone affair because the corruption of science in that was so bad that something like 80% of the measurements being made during that time were either faked, or incompetently done.

        Fudging the data in any way whatsoever is quite literally a sin against the holy ghost of science.
        I’m not religious, but I put it that way because I feel so strongly.
        It’s the one thing you do not ever do.
        You’ve got to have standards.”

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          TdeF

          All good points. Well said. Science is a bit like mountain climbing. A real challenge, really hard and when you finish you are probably quite unemployable. However like the days before professional sportsmen made millions, people did things because they had a passion and they had to be good and dedicated. I do not know if the market for science is changed but the market for faux science has boomed in the Climate industry, even if they have to make it up. Still can you blame them? People need a career, families need incomes and everyone has to eat, so they go along.

          The tragedy is that there is so much great science not done. So many trillions were wasted on windmills and solar cells all in rich coutnries and such an opportunity in peacetime since WWII to make the world a better place to live and what do we have? Climate change and carbon taxes, the greatest invention since indulgences.

          However there is a still a real place for science and you would have to admit the advances in medicine and surgery and drugs are amazing. Even GM food. The conquest of ebola was just astounding and not even reported. There is always a reason to smile, but I wonder if even a little bit of the money was spent on alternative energies to windmills, how much further we would have progressed? However our politicians are the ultimate opportunists. It is as much as they understand, sun and wind and wind is their speciality.

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    Rod Stuart

    This man King may be on to something. (or ON something?). Climate numerology is a natural supplement to climate astrology. It could lead to even bigger breakthroughs. Imagine how easily the BOM could forecast using climate HOROSCOPES! Imagine the benefits of using iridology to diagnose the eye of the storm!
    An iridologist once told me “your colon is dirty”. I remarked that it was the first time I had paid someone five dollars to tell me I was full of s**t. She wanted to sell me some medicinal potion to manufacture “Alfalafa tea” to which I remarked that when I grew alfalfa it was only worth two dollars for an entire bale.
    Trouble is, within a year I was in the operating theatre to have 20 inches of colon removed!

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    el gordo

    King said. “We were able to see climate change even more clearly in Australia …’

    This is old but still worth discussing.

    ‘Dr Timbal believes 80 per cent of the rain loss in south-east Australia can be attributed to the intensification of the subtropical ridge. If the next phase of the study is approved, the scientists hope to work out exactly how rising temperatures result in a stronger subtropical ridge.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/its-not-drought-its-climate-change-say-scientists-20090829-f3cd.html#ixzz42TUxTDGU
    Follow us: @smh on Twitter | sydneymorningherald on Facebook

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    pat

    9 Mar: CNS News: Melanie Hunter: AG Lynch: DOJ Has Discussed Whether to Pursue Civil Action Against Climate Change Deniers
    Attorney General Loretta Lynch acknowledged Wednesday that there have been discussions within the Department of Justice about possibly pursuing civil action against so-called climate change deniers.
    “This matter has been discussed. We have received information about it and have referred it to the FBI to consider whether or not it meets the criteria for which we could take action on,” Lynch said at a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on Justice Department operations…
    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/melanie-hunter/ag-lynch-doj-has-discussed-whether-pursue-legal-action-against-climate?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=CNS&utm_term=facebook&utm_content=facebook&utm_campaign=n-lynch-deniers

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    pat

    went to post the CNS/Melanie Hunter link on WUWT Tips & Notes.

    someone had already posted a link to Hunter’s piece, carried by The Blaze; someone else had posted a WorldNetDaily piece which references the Hunter/CNS piece.

    Fox is also carrying the Hunter piece, which seems to be the original source:

    http://nation.foxnews.com/2016/03/09/ag-lynch-doj-has-discussed-whether-pursue-civil-action-against-climate-change-deniers

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    Dan Pangburn

    A simple equation, employing the time-integral of sunspot number anomalies and an approximation of the net effect of all ocean cycles achieves a 97% match with measured average global temperatures since before 1900. Including the effects of CO2 improves the match by 0.1%. http://globalclimatedrivers.blogspot.com

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    pat

    ABC aren’t the only ones campaigning for Tony Windsor, it seems. from an interview with Sky today, with no indication in the headline that it is Windsor’s opinion:

    10 Mar: Sky News: Joyce ‘neglecting’ his own electorate
    ‘The local member Barnaby Joyce has done very little in that particular space,’ he added…
    Mr Windsor says he stands by his decision to back the Gillard government’s carbon tax and because it is important the country gets on the front foot to tackle climate change.
    ‘I still believe in a pricing arrangement in terms of emissions and so does the current prime minister, so does nearly all his cabinet except Barnaby Joyce and the abbot crazies’.
    Mr Windsor says by opposing the carbon tax Mr Joyce betrayed his own constituents ***who stand to be the biggest victims of climate change.
    ‘Climate change is a real issue and in New England it is a very real issue.
    ‘Unless we face some of these future issues seriously we are going to end up in some degree of strife.
    Australia is a very fragile nation, agriculture is very fragile.’…
    http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2016/03/10/joyce–neglecting–his-own-electorate.html

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    pat

    science must talk to REAL PEOPLE:

    10 Mar: BrisbaneTimes: Amy Mitchell-Whittington: Science must learn to talk to real people: Brian Greene
    “It is vital that science as a community ensures that the public knows what we are doing because in many countries it is tax dollars that fund the research, but regardless of the funding, every single individual on the planet relies on scientific insight.
    “(For example) issues like ***alternate energy, genetically modified foods, man-space travel, the use of genetic manipulation to modify life itself…
    Actor and science buff Alan Alda will also take part in the festival…
    He spoke to ABC’s 7.30 on Friday about his passion for the field…
    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/science-must-learn-to-talk-to-real-people-brian-greene-20160304-gnajuh.html

    reminder:

    Alan Alda on ABC’s 7.30 Report: On planned cuts to the CSIRO
    “Apparently the whole Southern Hemisphere is tracked by the instruments that are losing some of the overseers by this regulation, or this change in regulations. Again, it’s not my place to get involved in politics, especially in another country, but I think the scientists who are concerned about this, who devote themselves to studying climate change, are very concerned about this, that they’re losing an important tool for understanding climate change, for having a baseline for the rest of the world.
    I would hope that the people making this decision and those watching over them will think about what scientists who spend all their time studying this have to say about this. It seems to be an important issue as far as they’re concerned. I’m listening to them – I hope that others listen to them, too.”

    science world must embed itself with the PEOPLE WORLD?

    10 Mar: ABC: Stephanie Smail: Threats to the Great Barrier Reef outgrowing agencies protecting it, leading expert warns
    The Director of the ARC Centre of Excellence for Coral Reef Studies Professor Terry Hughes has addressed a forum at the World Science Festival in Brisbane…
    He argued GBRMPA and the state and federal government needed to revisit who was responsible for what, with a focus on funding and the right powers to deal with threats to the reef…
    “The [Federal Government's] 2050 reef plan is not perfect. It needs to be improved.
    “But I think the science world needs to get more embedded in the sociology and the ***people world. We need to be solution-oriented.”
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-10/great-barrier-reef-outgrown-agency-protecting-it-terry-hughes/7237752

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    Graham Richards

    I would love to have an update from the BOM, ABC #7 and any one else on this years forecasts of El Niño , La Niña or any of their relations activities for the forthcoming year.
    The 2015 forecast which started in January 2015 was for a huge El Niño year. Monthly updates designed to scare the sh*t out the average Joe or less intelligent ABC viewer slowly fizzled as the dreaded “beast” would not behave. The beast even earned the title “Godzilla El Niño “, courtesy of ABC!
    A 2016 forecast will be keenly followed & details will be more accurately monitored.
    May we all congregate in March 2017 to scrutinise the inevitable BS theat will be dished up for the less informed & gullible.
    Ever had the feeling you are being watched more intensely than evah before!!

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      el gordo

      BoM is predicting ENSO will most likely go neutral in the southern hemisphere winter, but I’ve seen reports elsewhere that a very strong La Nina is coming.

      In the meantime…

      ‘BoM senior climatologist David Martin said the hot start to autumn showed a “clear trend” toward warmer weather across the country.

      “Some of the more significant heatwaves during spring and autumn have occurred when conditions have been dry, and it has been a very dry second half to the monsoon season,” he said.

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    AndyG55

    ” “clear trend” toward warmer weather across the country.”

    Yep, the trend is pretty darn clear !!!

    http://s19.postimg.org/m4jm9tfeb/Aust_Feb2016.png

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    So 1878 (when drought girded the globe) and 1896 (lethal heat in Eastern Australia and Eastern USA) did it all on their own? Look ma, no AGW!

    “The heated term was the worst and most fatal we have ever known. The death rate trebled until it approached the ratio of a cholera epidemic; the horses died by the hundreds, so that it was impossible to remove their carcasses, and they added a genuine flavor of pestilence.” Theodore Roosevelt to his sister on the 1896 disaster which killed 1500 in NY city alone.

    In the same year, the death toll from heat in the southern states of Australia was 437, just fractionally behind our highest mortality from a natural disaster (the heat wave of 1939, which, it seems, now lies well within the preciously named “Anthropocene”).

    Now you might say the global drought of 1878 and the two-hemisphere heatwave of 1896 just happened…because stuff does happen. But who doubts that if these conditions were to occur now they would be jumped on by the climatariat and Big Green as proof of their claims? Any warmies out there who can tell me it’s not so? There’s a catch: You have to keep a straight face when you’re saying it.

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    Roy Hogue

    I’m confused. What has all this bandying about with the past weather got to do with anything? They still do not have any empirical evidence to support their basic thesis that the earth is warming (no matter where the heat is hiding — oceans maybe?) as CO2 increases in the atmosphere.

    In science as well as logic and for that matter, common sense, you cannot build another layer on top of one that isn’t proven to be real and able to support your new layer of theory — or can I call it imagination? They are speculating like a bunch of stock market newbies, risking all on a wild idea. Why do we not give them the failing grade they deserve?

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      Carbon500

      ” A new Australian study compares models that don’t-explain-the-climate with CO2, to ones that-don’t-explain-the-climate without CO2. These models assume CO2 causes warming, so when they take out the CO2 factor that was added in to produce “the climate”, the models prove, ipso gloriousi, that CO2 causes warming.”
      Models – always models! How long will this farcical claim that humans are causing dangerous global warming continue?
      I’m amazed that anything based on ‘models’ is considered to be science or is even published. As you ask, Roy – where’s the empirical evidence? Where is this dangerous warming? Look at any data sets (CET and the satellite measurements) and all we see is fractional (I repeat, fractional) changes varying from year to year, sometimes up, sometimes down – not what I’d call dangerous warming.
      Future generations will look back on all this with disbelief.

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    Sorry to bother you, but this really deserves an article:

    http://reason.com/blog/2016/03/07/this-university-of-oregon-study-on-femin

    “Feminist Glaciology”

    Yes, I thought it was a hoax at first too.

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      Roy Hogue

      Saw your comment, Rod and can’t help saying that what people do shows you more about what’s important to them than what they say. And to the feminists, at least the very strident ones, it appears that proving female superiority over the male is the more important thing by far.

      I can’t know what’s in anyone’s mind but mine. But other people’s actions, including their theories about climate change, speak louder than their words, as that old saying would have us learn if we would.

      The world is a mess but it’s the only one we have so I hope we can get back some common sense someday, hopefully while I’m still around to rejoice over it.

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    Mark Fraser

    Um when a partner gives a guy the cold shoulder?

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    Roy Hogue

    This is an old thread now so I hope the moderators won’t mind tacking on something off topic at the end.

    Recently I was sent email linking to the song, “And The Band Played Waltzing Matilda”, which no doubt you in Australia will recognize. Since I first heard Waltzing Matilda many years ago I’ve had trouble getting it out of my mind. It has that sort of a haunting quality about it that sticks with you. So I renewed my search for what I think is a good rendition and finally found this one on YouTube.

    After reading through the comments about the video, which are many but not too full of useful info about Waltzing Matilda, I decided to comment myself and put in some real information about it from the research I did after I began to get acquainted with Oz and you Aussies.

    This is my comment on YouTube.

    Ever since I first heard this song many years ago it has stuck in my mind, probably because the music has a haunting quality about it. I never understood the words until more recently however when I began to get acquainted with Australia and made some friends there and then this song came back into mind so strongly I had to find out more about it. So I did some research. It turns out to originate from very early in the struggle to create a nation from the British penal colony where England dumped its worst criminals. Among other mistakes, I thought Matilda referred to a real woman. How wrong can you be? It sings about the conflict between wealthy land owners, the squatter and the itinerant worker, swagman, who moved from place to place to sheer the land owner’s sheep.

    Today Waltzing Matilda is virtually an unofficial national anthem in Australia and more beloved by many than the real one by all accounts. And certainly as well known as the real one.

    This is the best rendition I’ve found, sung to just a guitar or similar instrument as it would have been originally and without the style embellishments modern artist usually try to impose on simple music, probably to put their personal stamp on it.

    I still can’t get the melody out of my mind.

    I guess this is my way of saying, you Aussies have a way of getting under a man’s skin and staying there, not that all the rest of you I’ve met on this blog aren’t also friendly and welcoming. But I don’t think I could ask to be in contact with a more friendly and welcoming group than you in Oz — wonderful nickname, that, with its image of wonder and mystery form the wizard of the same name.

    Roy

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      Roy Hogue

      And yes, I heard the violin adding a little color at intervals. But the whole thing is carried by the guitar and would stand up even without the violin.

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    Another Ian

    Jo

    Someone in a comment recently noted the omission of carbon from a list of elements.

    In contrast Bill Bryson (in “A Short History of Nearly Everything”, chapter “How to build a universe”) has

    “Not one particle of the heavy stuff so vital to our own being – carbon, nitrogen, oxygen and all the rest” – -

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    Owen Morgan

    Historians study history. Veterinary scientists study veterinary science. Seismologists study earthquakes. “Climate extremes research fellows” study ” climate extremes”.

    Try to spot the odd one out.

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    Graham

    I loved the following description of the methodology:

    The researchers examined weather events that exceeded the range of natural variability

    We started by defining certain events as outside the range of natural, and then undertook modelling on those events to determine that they are not natural…

    Does anyone else see the problem of this perfect example of “begging the question”?

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