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Has the Australian government decided to sign the Paris agreement (whatever it is)?

Does Ove Hoegh-Guldberg know something about Paris that hasn’t been announced?

UN, big government, motifLast week his office sent out an email to all pollies, inviting them to a propaganda event for the climate machine (all paid for by the taxpayer, as usual). Not only were we told that Greg Hunt apparently supports this event (whatever that means), we are also told that

leading Australian climate scientists will discuss the impact of Australia’s decision to sign the United Nations’ Sustainable Development Goals and the upcoming COP21.”

That sentence is ambiguous, but potentially loaded. We definitely have decided to endorse the UN goals for 2030 (whatever that means, and who knows?). Julie Bishop did it last week. But have we also decided to sign the Paris agreement? That would be news. Either Ove is forward projecting his fantasies, or he’s just let slip something that Hunt told him privately.

Who knows what is on offer at Paris anyway? I think the real scandal is that Australians have no idea what either the UN goals or the Paris document means. The nation ought to get to look at the fine print before anything is signed. How much sovereign power will Bishop and Turnbull give away to unelected UN bureaucrats?

As far as the UN Goals go, do the Australian voters get to see what we signed? The  17 UN goals are glorious motherhood statements like Goal 1: No poverty, and Goal 2: Zero hunger, and all supposedly achieved by 2030. Perhaps endorsing them is equivalent to giving the UN a “like” on facebook, or maybe it will cost us billions.

As far as Paris goes, we are taking an obscenely high commitment already. For a mining-industrial country with the highest population growth in the West, no capacity for more hydro, no willingness to do nuclear, and huge transport costs domestically and internationally, we shouldn’t be in “the middle of the pack”. John Howard was a tough negotiator for Australia getting our (pointless) Kyoto commitment to be an 8% increase when most of the other nations were cajoled into tougher targets (generally a 5% decrease).  As negotiators in the international arena, it appears Bishop and Turnbull are pushovers.

As usual, buckets of money go to those who push the narrative. The “Leading Climate Scientists” attending include Chris-stuck-in-the-ice-Turney, David Karoly,  John Church, Nathan Bindoff (oceanography), Dave Griggs (sustainability) and a bunch of hanger-oner-ers who’ve never looked under the hood of a climate model once. People like Jean Palutikof (impacts and adaption), Frank Jotzo (economics), Mark Howden (impacts), and Justine Bell (lawyer). Most of their jobs, like Ove Hoegh-Guldberg’s, depend on assuming the broken climate models do something useful.

The leaked email below, for the event next Tuesday:

Sent: Tuesday, 29 September 2015 10:38 AM

To: House of Representatives, Parliament House, Canberra.

Subject: Invitation to Climate Change Information Session and Private Briefing

Dear Member,

I write to invite you and your advisors to a Parliamentary Information Session on the Science of Climate Change. At the session leading Australian climate scientists will discuss the impact of Australia’s decision to sign the United Nations’ Sustainable Development Goals and the upcoming COP21. There is also an opportunity for you to meet with climate researchers in private briefings, should your diary permit. 

Information Session

Date:                           Tuesday 20 October 2015
Time:                          
12:30pm – 1:30pm
Venue:                       
Reps Committee Room 1R1, Parliament House, Canberra

Private Briefings
Date:                           Tuesday 20 and Wednesday 21 October 2015

Time and Venue:     To be confirmed – please email Ms Anna Moloney to arrange

Supported by The Honourable Greg Hunt MP, Mr Mark Butler MP and Senator Larissa Waters, the lunchtime information session will include presentations from some of Australia’s most eminent climate change researchers based at leading research institutions across the country. You can find short biographies on these scientists in the attached.
There will be a focus on the local, regional and global impacts of climate change (in particular the effects of sea level rise), the economics of reducing Australia’s emissions, and possible mitigation and adaptation measures. In addition, a broader discussion will consider how Australia can address the UN’s Sustainable Development Goals and, I hope, provide fruitful information in the lead up to COP21 in Paris in November.
We hope you and your advisors will be able to find time in your busy schedule to attend this information session and/or meet privately with the visiting researchers on Tuesday 20 and Wednesday 21 October to discuss any area of climate science of interest.
To arrange an individual meeting, or for more details about the information session, please contact Ms Anna Moloney, Global Change Institute Communications and Engagement Manager, advising if there are specific climate scientists you would like to attend your private briefing.
We look forward to meeting with you.
Kind regards,
Yours sincerely
Professor Ove Hoegh-Guldberg
Director
Global Change Institute
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    Random Comment

    I read that as discuss COP21 generally, rather than any decision to sign agreements at COP21. However, I wouldn’t be surprised if they do end up signing something. Although, to what extent have any agreements been drafted?

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      Gav

      The fix was in from the start,unfortunately for Abbott he was a thorn in the side of a multi trillion $ scam.
      We are all going to pay,not only with money but our liberty will, be curtailed ,but I believe that outside events will over ride the carbon scam and war will erupt on a major scale both international and civil.
      Maybe the UN is after a war chest by pushing the carbon scam,who knows,but expect things to move quickly,at least to me the world appears to be on a knife edge with hatred being ramped up over the entire globe.
      A weak USA and strong Russia has the look of war about it,I’m sorry that I sound negative but I just can’t see good days ahead.

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        Rereke Whakaaro

        You and me, both, Gav.

        Orders for munitions have quadrupled over the past few months, and from a wide range of countries too, and that is just the ones that we can see in the public domain. Something is afoot.

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        lindsay phillips aka. reformed warmist of Logan

        Hi Jo,
        I hate to sound like a scratched ‘l.p.’ record, but…thanks for the great job & keep up the great work!!!
        Gav, you sound like a fairly level-headed sort-of guy, but I think somewhere along the way in the last few years, you may have lost a little faith.
        Can’t say I blame you, with all the negative bull-tish rehashed in the ‘non-fair-facts’ and ‘anti-Australian Broadcasting Corp., its oh-so-easy to ever-so-gradually become dis-illusioned. I hope in the coming months you re-gain your ‘mojo’!!
        Jo, as you may recall, in the coming weeks I will be launching a ‘fair-dinkum’ anti-IPCC party.
        In addition to this, I will be sending an absolute “knock-out punch” of a correspondence to Senator Cory Bernardi and Barnaby tomorrow! (Re this silly ‘pollie’ brain-washing session on the 20th.)
        I’ll send you and a few other luminaries (inc. Tom Harris and Benny Peiser) a copy.
        Hope you like it.
        Warm regards, reformed warmist of Logan!

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      clive

      Maurice Newman, chairman of the Prime Minister’s Business Advisory Council, on the authoritarian heart of the global warming faith:

      Perhaps Christiana Figueres, executive secretary of the UN’s Framework on Climate Change has the answer?

      In Brussels last February she said, “This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time, to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years since the Industrial Revolution.”

      In other words, the real agenda is concentrated political authority. Global warming is the hook.

      Figueres is on record saying democracy is a poor political system for fighting global warming. Communist China, she says, is the best model. This is not about facts or logic. It’s about a new world order under the control of the UN. It is opposed to capitalism and freedom and has made environmental catastrophism a household topic to achieve its objective.

      Figueres says that, unlike the Industrial Revolution, “This is a centralised transformation that is taking place.” She sees the US partisan divide on global warming as “very detrimental”. Of course. In her authoritarian world there will be no room for debate or ­disagreement.

      That this organisation, funded by the wealthy west, would tear down the pillars of prosperity that has lifted hundreds of millions out of poverty seems surreal.

      I was taught at school what a force for good the UN was. Instead it is an evil entity intent on enforcing global communism. Totalitarianism of the worst kind – and the UN is attempting to do this before our very eyes. And the west, under Obama, is in fact, complicit in this goal.

      I think we all know”The Fix Is In”

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    KinkyKeith

    Malcolm Turnbull was rejected by the Australian people in the Republican plebiscite.

    When electricity increases further on what we are already paying after the huge rises in the last few years people will be unable to vote him out.

    It will get ugly. We have been dudded by him and a woman whose main issue is to be “seen” on the floor of the u n with her partner.

    Power increases, united nations subsidies political grandstanding; it’s like having Julia and Kev back in power.

    But how can Joe average be helped to see the link between all this and their already massive power bills.

    How can they be shown the increases coming because of failure to put effective generating capacity in place and theb probable increase in subsidies for roof top suppliers?.

    We have currently several “refugees who have gone to Cambodia and now living in luxury at our expense.

    This will also get worse before it is stopped.

    But after what happened to Tony Abbott what sane person capable of sorting it out would want to be PM

    Just Malcolm.

    We’re ruined.

    KK

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      Another Ian

      KK

      Years ago I was at a conference where W.T. Williams (CSIRO, super on maths and stats) was the after dinner speaker. In which he pointed out that the human brain as a computer had huge storage capacity, was a little slow on recall and was the only one that could be built entirely by unskilled labour.

      So downstream of that – as per a posting earlier to ROM I am now of an age where there is so much knowledge that speed of recall is a problem – I hope that is the cause anyway. And no further discussion on that!

      So it has taken the events of the last few weeks to recall Kahlil Gibran’s “Thoughts and Meditations” and (on page 47 et seq) the chapter “The Silver Plated Turd”

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      toorightmate

      It seems as though Tony Abbot (remember him?) was dead right in having slimy Julie accompanied when she went to Peru.
      Without a Nanny, she sure is playing up – big time.

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    David Maddison

    Turnbull is committed to 1) Paris and 2) the other thing that is also destroying Western Civilisation.

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      James Bradley

      The new Climate Change Authority line-up:

      Ms Wendy Craik, a deputy chancellor of the University of South Australia, has also served on the Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority, the Productivity Commission and the Murray Darling Basin Commission.

      Kate Carnell, the chief executive of the Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry and a former Liberal chief minister of the ACT

      Danny Price, an economist and managing director of Frontier Economics, who has advised the government on its Direct Action policies that replaced the carbon price scrapped in July 2014

      John Sharp, a former Nationals politician and federal transport in John Howard’s government before stepping down after questions raised over his use of ministerial travel expenses

      Stuart Allinson, the chief executive of Bid Energy.

      http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/climate-change-authority-gets-five-new-board-members-in-possible-reprieve-20151007-gk3ugu.html

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        Carnell and Price are basically pushovers, if not already leading from the wrong direction. Sharp is part of the weak end of a coalition and will be powerless to do anything other then enjoy the extra travel and accommodation expenses. Allinson will be looking to direct favorably, whatever outcomes can be skewed toward Bid Energy’s bottom line.

        The trough now has a new group of snouts… different day, same pig poo.

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        Andrew McRae

        We’re now relying on Wendy Craik to have learned from past experiences.

        ROSS COULTHART: Imagine if those billions of dollars had been expended on what you now acknowledge are incorrect models that were talking up the threat of salinity?

        WENDY CRAIK: As a taxpayer I am just as happy as you that we didn’t actually do that.

        Wendy, if you’re reading this, think adaptation, not mitigation.

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        Kommissarss all. We need to inundate our
        Liberal reps, mine’s Hunt, with torrents
        of letters and email protests:’Do NOT sign
        away our sovereign powers to the U.N.for
        it’s foolish top-down,economy weakening
        goals.’

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    manalive

    Who knows what is on offer at Paris anyway? I think the real scandal …

    Scandalous indeed, Abbott’s success was largely due to his promise to get rid of the carbon dioxide tax, the tax that Gillard solemnly promised would never be introduced under her government.
    The only way they can implement their Climate Change™ measures is by the back door, it’s antidemocratic.

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      manalive

      I forgot to add that once the electorate start to lose confidence in the system it’s the start of a slippery slope, it’s a well-worn cliché borne out by history.

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        David Maddison

        I lost confidence in the system long ago. Climate change nonsense and “the other thing” will finish us off. I just hope that enough knowledge and cultural artefacts from Western Civilisation remain for future civilisations to discover and learn of our former greatness. It is not clear how much knowledge of climate change and the other matter will be preserved for future civilisations to examine because most of the documentation is digital and will likely disappear.

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    Sean McHugh

    Scaper, will you continue championing Greg Hunt if this Paris agreement is signed by our Government?

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      el gordo

      Scaper knows there will be no change to our stance before Paris, but the next election looms and the Klimatariat’s main goal (as expressed by their political masters) is to instill the horrors of global warming into the MPs.

      Cleverly they will tell the member for Woop Woop the problems he may expect to encounter in his electorate, printed out and nicely packaged.

      It will be interesting to see if Jensen turns up to mock them.

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      Sean McHugh

      Turnbull will badly want to sign and probably so will Hunt. It will be interesting to see if they can resist.

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        el gordo

        They will resist (to do otherwise would be political suicide) but Hunt will convince them that after the next election the government will do a lot more.

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    PeterS

    As Lord Monckton warned, Abbott’s demise was deliberately orchestrated to allow Australia to join the UN’s plan for a stronger world authority to cream off many more billions off various countries in the guise of “fixing” climate change. The people hated Abbott despite all the good things he did in just 2 short years under extremely harsh conditions. Goes to prove people are clueless and dumb. Not only do we get the government we deserve, we will get a world government we deserve. Sit back Australia and enjoy being done over, front and back.

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      KinkyKeith

      I have just come from “The Drum” session.

      About half way through watching Lord Debitmyaccount talking about what the peasants need to accept if the world is to be saved.

      There was a fellow called Wat Tyler who gave us an example of how we must Never let ourselves be taxed unreasonably.

      We are now back where he was in 1381.

      Back to the future.

      Turnbull has already set us up. If it goes ahead I can see the end of the Liberal Party.

      For the senate I will be voting climate change party or ALA or hopefully for a good independent.

      If Turnbull sets us up it will be disastrous for Australia economically and politically.

      KK

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        PeterS

        Never be taxed unreasonably? We are already taxed unreasonably. If there wasn’t so much waste taxes could be as little as half of what they are now, if not lower.

        It’s not the fault of the Liberal party, not even Turnbull specifically, nor even Rudd and Gillard for that matter. The fault is the people. They just don’t think. The polls proved that convincingly. As I keep saying we get the government we deserve. As for the Senate I always thought it was a waste of space. Why do we vote in a set of politicians and at the same time vote in a second set that oppose the first set? Think about it. If we need a system to act as a check and balance then it can be done in other ways without the need of a second group of semi-useless politicians. Once set is more than enough.

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          PeterS

          Of course I meant to say one set is more than enough. IMHO of course.

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          KinkyKeith

          Peter

          I would agree with getting rid of the senate IF we could have elections every six months to regulate the system.

          KK

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            PeterS

            I would agree that’s one possible approach. There are others but of course this is not the appropriate forum to discuss them. As for my earlier comment on the judgement of the people, I came to that conclusion the day Rudd became PM. He was very popular. Yet I knew he was a political fraud the moment he opened his mouth on ABC when he was the opposition leader. It was written all over his face too. Perhaps I was so happy with Howard despite some of his failings. I just found Rudd so transparent. How so many were fooled by his smooth sales talk is beyond me – well not now. I now realise people in general don’t think. It’s that simple. Anyway I’m just relaxing from now on and watching us and the rest of the world rushing headlong over the cliff. It’s like watching a disaster movie in slow motion. Time to stock up on popcorn.

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          Egor TheOne

          Absolutely agree !
          The ‘senate ‘ needs to go !

          What you effectively have is one federal government in opposition with the other !
          2 separate governments !

          Why for example is the green vote in the lower house less than 1% but in the upper house approx 10% ……obviously , idiots voted right in the lower and left in the upper , in effect making the government almost powerless to do anything with 85% of the ex government’s extravagant and unaffordable junk policies locked in !

          Not to mention the feral senators with less than 1% of the primary vote , but got in because of unadvertised shady preference deals !

          For what company has two separate boardrooms with one able to out rule and /or block the motions of the other ???

          Imagine the idiocy if a big companies were run this way !

          This part at least of the centuries old medieval Westminster system of government need to go along with their so called ‘entitlements’ mind set and also their lack of being held accountable for massive waste and policy budget blowouts , as is the case in the private sector !

          What puts these clowns above the laws they inflict on the rest of us ??

          We need a 21st century government , not a 15 century unaccountable clown act !!!!

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      gai

      “Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.” – H. L. Mencken

      The USA was set-up as a Republic to get around this problem but in 1913 we got a bloodless coup.

      #1. The Federal Reserve Act of 1913 placed an unelected Central Bank in charge of our economy by allowing them to print unbacked fiat currency.

      #2. The Sixteenth Amendment is an important amendment that allows the federal government of the United States to collect an income tax from all Americans so that freshly printed fiat money borrowed from the Central Bank can be paid back with the labor/wealth of Americans.

      #3. The Seventeenth Amendment — Americans did not directly vote for senators for the first 125 years. Instead they were elected by the state legislatures and represented the will of the individual states. The Seventeenth Amendment established the popular election of United States Senators and thereby did away with the breaks on the federal government provided by the states.

      #4. In 1915 (according to the U.S. Congressional Record of 1917) J.P. Morgan and associates bought control of the US media. They have controlled the US media ever since.

      Why is this bit of U.S. history important?

      In his Farewell speech Washington warned against the peril of foreign entanglements. Trade agreements were fine ‘favored Nation’ type status was not. With the assassin of President William McKinley, the USA got saddled with Roosevelt and his interventionist strategies in dealing with other countries. The next decade-a-half under the Roosevelt, Wilson and Taft administrations, witnessed a clear modification of the previous US policies of cautious non-entanglement if not outright isolationism. After a bit of tug of war the USA got dragged kicking and screaming into the roll of ‘World Policeman’ and continuous (EXPENSIVE) wars from then on. (The USA was not a signer of the League of Nations but did sign up with the United Nations.)

      US federal debt piled up thanks to all the war debt and American workers got to be the debt serfs of the Central Bank. Some of this US wealth was then given to the World Bank.The United States is the World Bank Group’s largest shareholder. The USA retains veto power over changes in the Bank’s structure

      It is no coincidence that Robert Watson was working for the World Bank when IPCC chair or that the Copenhagen talks folded when the third world countries found the World Bank would be controlling the strings attached to the ‘Climate Fund’ as well as the money.

      The World Bank, the UN and all the Paris-ites are positively gleeful at the prospect of being able to skim wealth from the entire world.

      World Bank Carbon Finance Report for 2007
      The carbon economy is the fastest growing industry globally with US$84 billion of carbon trading conducted in 2007, doubling to $116 billion in 2008, and expected to reach over $200 billion by 2012 and over $2,000 billion by 2020

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        gai

        If you follow the banking thread (and after all CAGW all boils down to money) things get even more interesting. It would seem that Al Gore and the rest of the Progressives have badly miscalculated in regards to their ability to manipulate China.

        Clinton sold out the USA to China and as a result China has become a major world power. This is all part of the Progressives plan to reshape a world based on INTERDEPENDENCE.
        (see: Dale C. Copeland, “Economic Interdependence and War: A Theory of Trade Expectations,” International Security, Vol. 20, no.4 (Spring 1996) )

        The problem is as David Archibald pointed out China hates the guts of the Anglosphere especially the USA and UK.

        It was China according to the Guardian UK who delivered the crippling blow at Copenhagen. It is China and Russia who want to oust the US dollar as the world reserve currency. Failing to do that the BRICS countries (Brazil, Russia, India, China & South Africa) have been amassing gold and have now set-up a rival bank to the World Bank. China has also tossed out the International Bankers. (This site will not let me link to that Chinese article)

        Now, as of this spring: US frets as major EU powers join new China-led ‘World Bank’

        China wants to be THE major super power and Al Gore and his buddy Bill Clinton handed them the oppurtunity on a golden platter. It does not help that Maurice Strong (now based in Beijing) and Gore have always been in the pocket of the Chinese. (Check out the Gore, Armand Hammer, China connections)

        ………….

        China Picks at the Scab to Keep the Wound Fresh By David Archibald.
        americanthinker(DOT)com/2014/04/china_picks_at_the_scab_to_keep_the_wound_fresh.html

        Lessons of history: China’s century of humiliation
        The repercussions of British opportunism in China during the Opium Wars can be felt in geopolitics even today
        m.gulfnewsDOTcom/opinion/off-the-cuff/lessons-of-history-china-s-century-of-humiliation-1.884742

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        ExWarmist

        Hi Gai, Agreed. My position as well.

        The US Republic was assassinated in 1913.

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        Egor TheOne

        Great Comments !

        Could not agree more !

        ‘No foreign entanglements ‘ and ‘ no central banks ‘ and 99% of the world’s problems would not exist !

        Moneywise , what we have is a manipulated global Ponzi Scheme !

        The pumping of cheap dough into the system to keep Ponzi going only suits big banks and multinationals……one and the same …..and the rest of us pay for the scam .

        Slave labor used to manufacture goods in 3rd world countries for Multinationals to flog to 1st world countries at massive markups and crush any local competition with cheap money from their bank buddies !…….And we wonder why we have no jobs !

        We were wealthy when we did things , but we were sold out , no more proper jobs, no more middle class , just manipulation by the super rich and poverty for the rest !

        Houses are 10 times the price they used to be from just 25 years ago , fuel is the same , but wages have only doubled in that time !

        Little wonder what was easily affordable just a couple of decades ago , is now a distant dream for most !

        But somehow the top 0.5% are grinning more than ever !

        We have lost 30 % of our international net worth just in 2 years , and we are being flogged how well we are doing ….a rich country ? …..yes , compared to Greece !

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    pat

    multiple new links have been posted on jo’s “Lord Deben” thread re the bribery scandal enveloping the UN this week; it’s a scandal that looks like growing and growing, with more arrests likely.

    the Inner City Press piece adds quite a bit of detail not in MSM as yet, and is well worth reading in full.

    after all, taxpayer dollars go to this Institution.

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    Peter Miller

    As I have said before, it is time to buy shares in white flag manufacturers, the forces of economic insanity, bad science and big bureaucracy have won.

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      gai

      AMEN!

      I detail some of the background to that insanity a couple comments up-thread but it is now in moderation.

      Of interest to the moderators. Yes I talk mainly about the USA and China and the US dollar reserve currency but there is the Aussie entanglement too: Australia Enters Direct Currency Trading Agreement With China

      And the China – CAGW connection (I get to provide the link!)
      How do I know China wrecked the Copenhagen deal? I was in the room

      All of this is background to the Paris talks. China’s growing power is why Obama flew to China and cut a ‘deal’ with China that cripples the US economy while the Chinese economy is allowed to grow without any restraint on carbon based energy.

      The decisions made during the Clinton/Gore admin is the reason China is now a growing power and the Progressives belief that world peace is based on INTERDEPENDENCE is why those decisions were made.

      As the link I provided shows, this belief that interdependence is a cure-all is not well supported by history and does not take into account Chinese attitudes toward the West.

      I just wish the idiots running our respective countries could see this before we ALL end up regretting it.

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    pat

    doubt if it will as MOMENTOUS as this!

    8 Oct: news.com.au: Senior planetary scientist Dr Alan Stern said NASA to make ‘amazing’ announcement about Pluto
    ONE of NASA’s principal investigators has let slip the space agency will be making another huge announcement this week regarding Pluto.
    And if Dr Alan Stern’s comments to a packed hall at the University of Alberta in Canada are anything to go by, we might very well be talking about alien life forms.
    According to The Guardian, Mr Stern was showcasing the highest resolution photos of Pluto and its largest moon, Charon, when he made some huge announcements.
    “This world is alive,” he said.
    “It has weather, it has hazes in the atmosphere, active geology.”
    Mr Stern said NASA would be releasing new data and images this Friday (Australian time) that will change everything we know about the solar system.
    “NASA won’t let me tell you what we’re going to tell you on Thursday. It’s amazing,” he said…
    http://www.news.com.au/technology/science/senior-planetary-scientist-dr-alan-stern-said-nasa-to-make-amazing-announcement-about-pluto/story-fnjwlcze-1227561833273

    u can’t make this stuff up. MSM loves it.

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      KinkyKeith

      Thanks Pat

      Good news at last.

      Possibly somewhere for my offspring to go when the earth is swallowed by the collapse of the Sun in a couple of billion years.

      KK

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      ianl8888


      … It has weather, it has hazes in the atmosphere, active geology

      Well, if true that really is interesting

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      Yonniestone

      Well the science is settled on Pluto then, I for one welcome our new Plutonian overlords…….

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    The Black Adder

    Oh Dear :(
    I need a drink,and make it a double.
    Invited by Greg Hunt, Mark Butler and freaking Larissa Walters?
    We are doomed.
    And Hoegh-Guldberg?
    What a tosser!
    A very foreboding sign, coming into Paris!

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      Andrew

      Yeah but Larissa is kinda cute

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        Andrew McRae

        I doubt if Ms Waters were to meet with the leader of ISIL she could just flutter her eyelids and ISIL would withdraw declaring all was forgiven. Brains and beauty may both have a genetic basis, but one of them makes a lot more difference to political outcomes.

        Wait…I’m trying to make a serious argument here… why is the world shimmering and fading into

        ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
        [Angelic music plays...]

        Andrew: The Lady of Waters, her arm clad in the purest shimmering cotton, held aloft Exfoliator from the cheek of her visage, signifying by divine providence that she, Larissa, was to apply Exfoliator. THAT is why she is your Queen!

        AndrewMcrae: (interrupting) Listen, strange women applyin’ Ponds Institute products is no basis for a system of government! Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some facial cosmetic ceremony!

        Andrew: Be quiet!

        AndrewMcrae: Oh but you can’t expect to wield supreme executive power just because some Waters tart threw a smile at you!

        Andrew: SHUT UP!

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        gigdiary

        Larissa is the one who reckoned we should all piss in the shower to save water.

        Whether you do or don’t, she’s still a looney leftard.

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    AndyG55

    I hope everybody has seen this

    For those that haven’t seen it..

    This is TRULY UGLY for the AGW scammers..

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/cruz_vs_warmist_its_ugly/

    Sit back and have a good laugh.. avoid coffee on keyboard etc etc

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      KinkyKeith

      I WANT TO VOTE FOR SENATOR CRUZ.

      On many occasions when going shopping or passing through town I have been approached, usually by young earnest people, who want a

      donation to, in some form or other: “Save The Planet” or save this or save that.

      The Compassion Industry must be recognize for what it is; a malignant cancer on society using guilt as the driving force.

      Guilt about poverty in Africa (I am aware of poverty in Australia even now), guilt about rising sea levels, guilt about Carbon emissions (and I really do like emissions) and guilt because I don’t donate.

      Down with the likes of LORD IT OVER US DEBEN. What an appalling creature to have coming at us through THEIR ABC Drum.

      KK

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      Annie

      Thanks for the link AndyG55. Luckily I left my red to one side!

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      Bill

      Loved it!!!! Keep it coming Cruz!

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      David Maddison

      Wow, just wow! Why can’t Australia have some intelligent and well-informed politicians like US Senator Ted Cruz in that video?

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    Andrew

    Strange that the yoonyuns go over every comma and dot in the FTA trying to create a construction that makes it theoretically possible 1 person in Oz could be worse off (notwithstanding that it’s a huge victory for the country as a whole to have the FTA).

    But COP21? Nothing to see here. No conceivable benefit from signing – we could free ride any theoretical benefits even if our target was zero. There’s obvious losers (eg everyone with a blue collar job, or who pays taxes). But nobody even wants to look at it. Even, amazingly, under an LNP govt. Why?

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    Konrad

    Warren Truss, the “Neville Chamberlain” of the Nationals has a agreement signed by Turnbull. Unless it’s double ply, extra soft and has perforations between sheets, I don’t think it’s good for much.

    Turnbull, Hunt and Bishop seem bent on betraying the coalition voter and the nation in Paris. These clowns are supporting the foulest assault on science, reason, freedom and democracy in human history.

    There is only one solution now. Coalition voters must vote Labor in the seats of Wentworth, Curtin, Sturt, Flinders and Mackellar. Coalition voters in those electorates should also write (not email) to Turnbull, Bishop, Pyne, Hunt and Bishop to tell them their voting intentions ASAP. For the coalition voter, it’s “Science before side” time.

    If the Liberals know that the Waffling Warmulonian is going to lose his seat in 2016, they will be forced to change tack.

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    el gordo

    ‘Australians have no idea what either the UN goals or the Paris document means.’

    That’s true and neither do the politicians, so the Klimatariat has organised a propaganda fest to sway the undecided into their ranks. Its sort of like a Crusade and Malcolm (a man in search of a Broad Church) has given Hunt the nod to gain bipartisan support before Paris.

    Its not looking good.

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    Alice Thermopolis

    CONTRACTION, CONVERGENCE & ‘CLIMATE JUSTICE’

    Should their diaries permit, suggest they also get a private/public briefing from Alice in Warmerland on the quasi- socialist Contraction & Convergence ideology driving the UN climate con.

    For C&C is why India just came out (again) with this media statement:

    “That’s why we are questioning developed countries and asking them come out immediately with their pre-2020 actions. After all, it was their historical emission (during 1850-2011) that led to 0.8 degree Celsius temperature rise in the post-industrialization phase. They must act and lead by example. I would also like to ask the rich nations to vacate carbon space for us (developing and poor countries). We want the rich nations to take care of their ‘lifestyles’ (excessive consumption) so that it can ensure ‘climate justice’ for poor people in the world.”

    In a nut-shell:

    “Convergence will thus facilitate the engagement of the majority world, effect a transfer of resources from the rich to the poor, and stimulate sustainable development that restores and conserves the ecosystem. By synergistically improving the environmental, economic, and social circumstances of our global populations, and so influencing all three pillars of sustainability, contraction and convergence will trigger a global “virtuous cycle” of activity. This global virtuous cycle will facilitate the uptake of many other virtuous cycles.”

    Without ‘dangerous climate change’, wheels instantly fall off the UN’s grand two-decade scheme to create a developed/developing world wealth transfer scheme/mechanism, with banks and agencies merrily clipping the ticket for every ETS transaction.

    Meanwhile, the global population continues to surge towards unsustainable levels, from 7.3 billion today to at least 11 billion by 2100, according to latest 2015 UNPD projections. Go figure.

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    bobl

    Maybe we need to deliver our own briefing.

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    pat

    another reminder what CAGW sceptics are up against:

    8 Oct: Daily Mail: Ollie Gillman: ‘What do you mean no-one has been to Mars?’ Scores of people believe blockbuster movie The Martian is based on a true story
    But it appears that The Martian, starring Matt Damon, is being taken a little too seriously by some, with scores of people believing the sci-fi flick was based on a true story.
    Tweets from people who watched the Ridley Scott film, which came out on Friday, reveal that a surprisingly large number of people are unaware that humankind has never set foot on Mars…
    A barrage of tweets has shown that perhaps some people were not listening so closely during science class…
    Even US women’s soccer player Kelley O’Hara, a Stanford University graduate, tweeted that she thought The Martian was based on a true story. However, she later tweeted that her earlier post was a joke…
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3263921/What-mean-no-one-Mars-Scores-people-believe-blockbuster-movie-Martian-based-true-story.html

    meanwhile, breaking news in UK:

    8 Oct: BBC: Solar energy firm Mark Group axes 900 jobs
    Staff at Leicester-based Mark Group Ltd, which was founded in 1974, were told the news on Wednesday afternoon.
    Administrator Deloitte has made 939 redundancies, but a further 200 jobs are at risk unless a buyer can be found.
    A statement said Mark Group had sustained heavy losses due to “structural changes in core markets”.
    The firm employs 1,165 people across the UK, with more than 700 based at its headquarters in Beaumont Leys.
    In September, the firm announced it was cutting 670 jobs across the UK as a result of falling demand.
    It said a change in government policy on energy efficiency had resulted in a “significant reduction” in installation work…
    A spokesperson for the Department of Energy and Climate Change said: “All job losses are regrettable and we sympathise with those affected, but commercial decisions are a matter for the company concerned.
    “Our priority is to keep bills as low as possible for hardworking families and businesses…
    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leicestershire-34472419

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    I get the impression Malcolm regards Gore as a lightweight. I think he has his eye on a Nobel Peace Prize and a statue out front of the UN. I dont think anything will stop him from not only selling us up the river to whatever nonsense the UN has in mind, I believe he will lead any debate and offer without being asked, a range of financial and social measures that will (in the minds of some) position Australia as a leader in combating AGW.

    Malcolm sees himself as basically a chosen Messiah. He was destined to be in this role at this time and is destined to save the planet from the unwashed masses. Nothing will get in the way of that destiny. Least of all the fate or freedoms of The Australian People.

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      Leigh

      I’ve said it numerous times before over the last six years.
      And again it is stating the bleeding obvious.
      Turnbul does not care if he is prime minister for three months or three years.
      As long as he stitches Australias arse to an emissions trading scheme.
      From the moment he made his “captains” pick to climb into bed with Rudds emissions trading scheme, his vested interests were exposed.
      Turnbul is not an ideolgist, he is first and foremost a business man.
      Where and how he completes his “mission is of no concern to him but the “Paris fund raiser” being his best near term opportunity to do just that.
      Abbott had to go before Paris, his opposition to Turnbuls “mission” demanded it.
      Those observations are now fact after today’s revelations.

      Question=Is Turnbuls business interests not intricately tied to the financial houses around the world who exclusively trade in these invisable commodities?
      Question=Did not Turnbul work for Goldman Sachs, the “inventor” of these invisable commodities?

      Leigh, what we need are facts. We can only speculate as to his actual motivations. Listing conflicts of interest, shareholdings, patterns of behaviour is fair game. Better to ask very pointed questions than make declarations that are ultimately speculation. – J

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    ianl8888


    … a mining-industrial country with the highest population growth in the West, no capacity for more hydro, no willingness to do nuclear, and huge transport costs domestically and internationally …

    Yes indeed …

    and Turnbull is even more dangerous than Rudd

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    Aaron M

    It could be a good omen guys. Hoegh-Guldberg’s other promises never materialised :)

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    Its Remarkable

    Hi Jo and all,

    Been a long time reader, and love everything on here. Still taking my time with David’s beautiful work.

    Just wondered if you had seen the article at Quadrant online titled ‘The IPCC’s Legion of Hacks and Dunces’ at this link : http://quadrant.org.au/opinion/doomed-planet/2015/10/47155/

    I am guessing you have, and hope you highlight some of the comments made.

    Enlightening.
    Cheers,

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    Gary in Erko

    I want to vote for something, or against something. I want to pretend again that someone cares about what I think. They don’t allow me to pretend that any more.

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      Bill

      Move to Canada, we have an election underway and there is one party at lease that giv es a fig about what the people think. hint: it’s not green, orange or red…

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        Captain Dave

        Agreed, and the aforementioned coloured parties are aghast that the vast majority of the country agree with the blue party line against wearing a mask while taking the citizenship oath. Those parties do not want to make it an election issue. The Prime Minister has mentioned that he is interested in a pending Quebec Provincial ruling that would require a clear face on any on-duty government servant AND ANY PERSON THAT WOULD DEAL WITH THEM. Go Harper!

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        Gary in Erko

        it’s not green, orange or red…

        We did that here in down-under-land but they shifted the pea under a different cup.

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    Eddie

    OT: That UK national daily the ‘Independent’ , for sheep who like to think they think for themselves, has this across its front page today:-
    Wind power now UK’s cheapest source of electricity – but the Government continues to resist onshore turbines

    New figures show they not only produce cheaper energy than coal, oil or gas power stations, but also remain far cheaper than offshore turbines
    Tom bawden Environment Editor

    (Apologies if Pat has already picked it up but I didn’t notice)

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    dennisambler

    “People like Jean Palutikof”

    She is former UK Met office and a former director of CRU, a colleague of Phil Jones, an IPCC stalwart going way back. Sent here to set up yet another climate institute, the one at Griffiths University. This is how they achieve their bogus consensus.

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    C.J.Richards

    Is that the same Hughie Goldgerg that gave Jonn Cook a job as a serious Academic ?
    Is Real Climate to become the Govt.s authority on matters climatic ?

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    C.J.Richards

    Is that the same Hughie Goldgerg that gave Jonn Cook a job as a serious Academic ?
    Is Real Climate to become the Govt.s authority on matters climatic ?

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    Mervyn

    I have no confidence in the Turnbull government when it comes to “global warming”. Turnbull has long made it quite clear his views on global warming. He is a believer in the IPCC mantra. So I have no doubt he will sell Australia down the UN pathway.

    When a government fails to reveal publicly or consult the nation over its dealing with the UN, like the signing of the UN goals for 2030, or the $100 Green Climate Fund, it means the government is desperate to keep the people in the dark.

    Australia needs to understand that he coming Paris Climate Conference is about signing an international agreement to control fossil fuel energy use. It sounds so innocent. But what Australians should understand is that signing such an agreement is in reality the green light for the imposition of the UN sustainability agenda, which is based on the arrogant, ambitious and unscrupulous ideology of environmentalism, which poses the greatest threat to our freedom, democracy, market economy and prosperity.

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    Wayne Job

    That 95 % of the universe is missing should send a clear message to those scientists that think they know what is going on. The sheer effrontery of the warmanista scientists is mind boggling.

    Some eighteen or so years of no warming, most probably nigh on a hundred years if you take out the fudges in the temp series and these fools call us deniers. I am a denier of false science when ever or where ever I see it, just watched an hour or so of scientists looking for dark matter, dark energy and the Higgs boson, umpteen billions down the drain looking for fairies and imaginary friends. Around forty years of searching and they have learned nothing.

    The time is rapidly approaching, mainly because of the internet, that a quantum shift, a revolution so to speak will happen in science, I hope I live long enough to see it.

    Methinks mayhaps that what powers our universe and what controls the heat of planets is in the missing 95%, call it an Aether call it what you like. What ever it is it powers the universe. Conjecture perhaps but take a spin of a photon it disappears, might have a sea of them out there, a charge field that powers the universe. No imaginary friends or particles just real stuff we need to look at.

    I am thinking the sun controls how much heat can leave the planet, not how much it puts in, 32Ft below the surface the temperature is constant a nice living environment. This heat trying to escape is controlled by the suns moods.
    The charge field coming in at the poles those de-spun photons keep the middle of our world bloody hot and exit around 30 % north and south of the equator, that is our tropics.

    Thus our sun in its various moods controls how much heat is allowed to escape from our little blue ball, when it is rampant we get warmer when it is quite we get colder. The Aether of old the charge field, the missing 95% is our life blood.

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    Stephan

    Hopefully we sign up to the most stringent of abatement requirements, as well as a big deportment of our resident right-wing nutters.

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      el gordo

      ‘Hopefully we sign up to the most stringent of abatement requirements’

      But … but…CO2 doesn’t cause global warming.

      ‘…as well as a big deportment of our resident right-wing nutters.’

      Leftoids are brainless and as global cooling begins to bite it will diminish the standing of green/left politics for an awful long time.

      When the masses realise that global warming is a monstrous hoax they will laugh and then become very, very, angry.

      What’s it feel like to be on the wrong side of history?

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      Dave in the states

      Your more than welcome to donate your own wealth, and children’s future, to this futile and unneeded cause, just don’t force it on others in your country nor mine. Lefty nut jobs are always ready to spend other peoples, or their children’s, money it seems.

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      James Bradley

      Stephan,

      Deportment: noun de·port·ment \di-ˈpȯrt-mənt, dē-\. : the way that a person behaves, stands, and moves especially in a formal situation.

      I’d say you’re the one who needs ‘Big Deportment’.

      Some ‘Big English’ wouldn’t hurt you either.

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      GI

      Stephan – another troll in the pay of ‘Big Ozone’.

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      Wayne Job

      Stephan, You need both a dictionary, and some logic training in your life. You are a sad case of brainwashed fool if you can not see the total con of AGW.
      There is no valid science and no warming of our planet for over 18 years. We are on the cusp of another Little ice age with old Sol having a sabbatical, as he does every few hundred years. Forgetting history and the cycles of our climate seems to be like a disease in the warmest scientists and their acolytes. Try looking at history, if you are not stupid it will change your mind.

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    Ruairi

    The U.N.’s elite will insist,
    And demand that Australia persist,
    With their grandiose plan,
    To stop ‘carbon’ from man,
    Causing warming that doesn’t exist.

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    mmxx

    The National Party was alert Turnbull’s desire to drive an ETS onto the Australian public. As coalition partners, they demanded and got a written commitment from him that he would maintain the Abbott government’s climate policy at the time of his coup that deposed Abbott.

    If speculation is correct that Turnbull/Hunt/Bishop are about to sign Australia up to a binding UN agreement in Paris that is a departure from the Abbott government’s policy, a National Party walk-out from the coalition agreement must follow.

    That would see Turnbull’s government collapse.

    Timing would be a key issue here, however. The damage already might have been done.

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      Angry

      Totally agree !

      If Turncoat Turnbull (the minister for Goldman Sachs and carbon dioxide (plant food) trading ) betrays Australia by signing any Paris agreement for this global warming SCAM, then the Coalition must be dissolved and the National Party must divorce themselves completely from the (now) Leftist Liberal Party !!

      No ifs, no buts !!!

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    john robertson

    Following the money.
    If our socialist “leaders” are true to their public statements, then theft by government is A-OK.
    Therefor they have no respect for private property.
    Now 37 years of taxpaying tells me this is true.
    So by the stated standards of our fearless leaders, it is OK to steal for the good of the many.
    I recommend every citizen take them at their word, steal and destroy every asset these individuals have amassed from their life long liplock on the public teat.
    This would be fair… and “fairness” is their mantra.

    On a lighter note, the prattling of the Cult of Calamitous Climate are identical to the rabid raving from Eugenics, seems social madness does run in cycles, same old stupid, frightened fools every 3rd generation.

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      Another Ian

      John Robertson

      Yes! Just ask us folk that got screwed by the native vegetation acts. Peter Spencer wasn’t the only one.

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    Martin

    “People like Jean Palutikof”

    Goldman Sachs market manipulation revisited:

    https://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2015/10/01/follow-the-money-part-2-goldman-sachs-getting-their-sitting-carbon-ducks-in-a-row/

    Has our unelected PM disclosed his stock portfolio?

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    Manfred

    We definitely have decided to endorse the UN goals for 2030 (whatever that means, and who knows?).

    In referring to ‘The 17 UN goals [are] glorious motherhood statements…’ the implication here appears to be that these are mere warm fuzzy implications loaded with apple pie.

    On the contrary, if you want some of the detailed and specific intentions, read the 35 page detailed UN document I have recurrently posted over the last few weeks, which is entitled:

    Draft outcome document of the United Nations summit for the adoption of the post-2015 development agenda. Transforming our world: the 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development

    The climate axis provides the UN with an income stream and another method of bureaucratic eco-governance. It is absolutely critical to the implementation of the UN draft Agenda.

    Note that this document is explicitly referred to by the UN as ‘The Agenda’ and note that it has been ‘agreed’ and developed over the last few years after extensive consultation (with the UN sanctioned 4,000 NGO’s who have UN consultative status) and with what is termed as ‘civil society’, that segment of the international community that supports the UN objectives of global governance by 2030, including it seems the Australian and New Zealand governments.

    Climate is and always has been little more than a Trojan Horse. The UN draft Agenda explicitly demonstrates a profoundly toxic conflation of social, economic and environmental policies. Christiana Figueres (UNFCCC) hid nothing and made it abundantly clear….it is about changing the World top down and this 35 page UN document clearly and explicitly informs anyone who cares to read it what the UN aims to impose and install by 2030.

    I assure you that The UN Agenda could not be further from ‘apple pie’ and ‘motherhood’ if it tried.

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      gai

      Manfred,

      That document needs a separate discussion page. It also needs to be passed out to every ‘serf to be’

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        KinkyKeith

        We must disengage from the u n as soon as possible.

        Turn OFF the flow of our hard earned tax money, mostly borrowed, and let other countries carry on.

        We don’t need to be a part of it.

        Hi Gai, have enjoyed reading your comments and I noticed one thing.

        Noted on a previous post that you believe as a citizen of the USA that the right to bear arms will protect you.

        Here is Oz we believe in the ballot box, and we like our current gun laws especially for the city areas where access to police support is always close. Country, isolated ares may be an exception.

        My blood is still boiling over what has been a bloodless coup by Turnbull, unJulie and GHunt who ALL can be clearly seen to have personal gain out of moving us further towards serfdom to the u n.

        My first strike back at the united nations from now on is to always refer to “it” in lower case.

        A grubby little organisation which does not merit respect or acknowledgement.

        Turn off the tap to the u n!

        KK

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          gai

          KinkyKeith,

          I think that the right to bear arms was put into the Constitution in an effort to keep politicians a bit more honest. The first step towards a dishonest government has always been to disarm the citizens.

          Look at the countries that have disarmed their citizens: Turkey – 1911, Soviet Union – 1929, Germany – 1938, China – 1935. Then look at Switzerland. Switzerland issues a gun to every adult male, teaches them to shoot and has the lowest gun-related crime rate in the civilized world.

          So what happened to the countries with gun bans?

          **************************************************
          1,883,000 Murdered: Turkey’s Genocidal Purges
          61,911,000 Murdered: The Soviet Gulag State
          20,946,000 Murdered: The Nazi Genocide State
          38,000,000 Murdered: The Communist Chinese Ant Hill
          **************************************************
          The 20th century total of citizens killed by their own government = 262,000,000 people “… tortured or beaten to death, hung, shot, and buried alive, burned or starved to death, stabbed or chopped into pieces, and murdered in all the other ways creative and imaginative human beings can devise, I have never been so happy to conclude a project. I have not found it easy to read time and time again about the horrors innocent people have been forced to suffer. What has kept me at this was the belief, as preliminary research seemed to suggest, that there was a positive solution to all this killing and a clear course of political action and policy to end it. And the results verify this. The problem is Power. The solution is democracy. The course of action is to foster freedom.” – Dr R.J. Rummel

          DEMOCIDE: Death by Government, murdered 6 times more people than died in combat in all the foreign and internal wars of the century. If all these people, killed by their own government were laid head to toe, with the average height being 5 feet, then they would circle the earth ten times.

          That is my answer to those who want to know why we want to keep our guns in the USA. It has zero to do with crime although crooks are a bit more likely to by pass a home they know is protected not only by a fire arm but also by “Castle Doctrine”

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          Mack

          Don’t let your blood boil over about the UN Kinky Keith, frinstance their meditation room isn’t up to much..
          http://thedemiseofchristchurch.com/2013/03/13/are-we-experiencing-a-communist-infiltration-sponsored-by-the-united-nations/comment-page-1/#comment-1093
          Nil Desperandum

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        Manfred

        gai,
        couldn’t agree more!
        Who of what is ‘civil society’?

        A truncated snippet from the UN document.

        From the ‘Declaration’ at the opening of this UN document:

        1. We, the Heads of State and Government and High Representatives, meeting at United Nations Headquarters in New York from 25 to 27 September 2015 as the Organization celebrates its seventieth anniversary, have decided today on new global Sustainable Development Goals.

        2. We commit ourselves to working tirelessly for the full implementation of this Agenda by 2030.

        5. This is an Agenda of unprecedented scope and significance. It is accepted by all countries and is applicable to all…’

        6. The Goals and targets are the result of over two years of intensive public consultation and engagement with civil society and other stakeholders [4000 NGO's] around the world, which paid particular attention to the voices of the poorest and most vulnerable.

        Our vision
        7. In these Goals and targets, we are setting out a supremely ambitious and transformational vision.

        9. We envisage a world in which…..humanity lives in harmony with nature and in which wildlife and other living species are protected.

        14. Climate change is one of the greatest challenges of our time and its adverse impacts undermine the ability of all countries to achieve sustainable development. Increases in global temperature, sea level rise, ocean acidification and other climate change impacts are seriously affecting coastal areas and low-lying coastal countries, including many least developed countries and small island developing States. The survival of many societies, and of the biological support systems of the planet, is at risk.

        17. In its scope, however, the framework we are announcing today goes far beyond the Millennium Development Goals… it sets out a wide range of economic, social and environmental objectives.

        28. We commit to making fundamental changes in the way that our societies produce and consume goods and services…We encourage the implementation of the 10-Year Framework of Programmes on Sustainable Consumption and Production Patterns.

        31. We acknowledge that the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change is the primary international, intergovernmental forum for negotiating the global response to climate change. We are determined to address decisively the threat posed by climate change and environmental degradation. The global nature of climate change calls for the widest possible international cooperation aimed at accelerating the reduction of global greenhouse gas emissions and addressing adaptation to the adverse impacts of climate change.

        Means of implementation
        39. The scale and ambition of the new Agenda requires a revitalized Global Partnership to ensure its implementation. We fully commit to this.

        45. We acknowledge also the essential role of national parliaments through their enactment of legislation and adoption of budgets and their role in ensuring accountability for the effective implementation of our commitments. Governments and public institutions will also work closely on implementation with regional and local authorities, subregional institutions, international institutions, academia, philanthropic organizations, volunteer groups and others.

        51. What we are announcing today — an Agenda for global action for the next 15 years — is a charter for people and planet in the twenty-first century. Children and young women and men are critical agents of change and will find in the new Goals a platform to channel their infinite capacities for activism into the creation of a better world.

        Goal 4. Ensure inclusive and equitable quality education and promote lifelong learning opportunities for all

        4.7 By 2030, ensure that all learners acquire the knowledge and skills needed to promote sustainable development, including, among others, through education for sustainable development and sustainable lifestyles, human rights, gender equality, promotion of a culture of peace and non-violence, global citizenship and appreciation of cultural diversity and of culture’s contribution to sustainable development

        Goal 12. Ensure sustainable consumption and production patterns

        12.8 By 2030, ensure that people everywhere have the relevant information and awareness for sustainable development and lifestyles in harmony with nature

        Goal 13. Take urgent action to combat climate change and its impacts*
        13.1 Strengthen resilience and adaptive capacity to climate-related hazards and natural disasters in all countries
        13.2 Integrate climate change measures into national policies, strategies and planning
        13.3 Improve education, awareness-raising and human and institutional capacity on climate change mitigation, adaptation, impact reduction and early warning

        13.a Implement the commitment undertaken by developed-country parties to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change to a goal of mobilizing jointly $100 billion annually by 2020 from all sources to address the needs of developing countries in the context of meaningful mitigation actions and transparency on implementation and fully operationalize the Green Climate Fund through its capitalization as soon as possible

        16.8 Broaden and strengthen the participation of developing countries in the institutions of global governance

        16.9 By 2030, provide legal identity for all, including birth registration

        Trade
        17.10 Promote a universal, rules-based, open, non-discriminatory and equitable multilateral trading system under the World Trade Organization, including through the conclusion of negotiations under its Doha Development Agenda

        17.12 Realize timely implementation of duty-free and quota-free market access on a lasting basis for all least developed countries, consistent with World Trade Organization decisions, including by ensuring that preferential rules of origin applicable to imports from least developed countries are transparent and simple, and contribute to facilitating market access

        Implementation…
        National level
        78. We encourage all Member States to develop as soon as practicable ambitious national responses to the overall implementation of this Agenda.

        Global level
        82. The high-level political forum will have a central role in overseeing a network of follow-up and review processes at the global level, working coherently with the General Assembly, the Economic and Social Council and other relevant organs and forums, in accordance with existing mandates.

        87. Meeting every four years under the auspices of the General Assembly, the high-level political forum will provide high-level political guidance on the Agenda and its implementation, identify progress and emerging challenges and mobilize further actions to accelerate implementation. The next high-level political forum under the auspices of the General Assembly will be held in 2019, with the cycle of meetings thus reset, in order to maximize coherence with the quadrennial comprehensive policy review process.

        91. We reaffirm our unwavering commitment to achieving this Agenda and utilizing it to the full to transform our world for the better by 2030.

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    michael hart

    Given the particularly serious problems you seem to have with them over there, “leading Australian climate scientists” seems like an effective damning-with-faint-praise these days.

    It reminds of a UK classic: “the second least dangerous Bridge player in all of Manchester.”

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    ImPropa Ganda

    When Turnbull and Bishop grabbed the top jobs a few weeks ago, the two of them (while standing behind a lectern) took a few questions from reporters. Julie beamed up at Turnbull and whispered to him (paraphrased) “The Paris targets have been set”. Turnbull was so distracted by the adulations of the reporters, that he asked her what she said, and Bishop repeated her statement about the Paris Targets having been set. Why would that have come up at that time? I thought too, that it was meant to be a private discussion but that the mikes picked it up inadvertently.

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      Angry

      “ImPropa Ganda”,

      That is very very interesting.

      I wonder if there is any website where this audio has been captured?

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    Barry

    To express it as safely as possible:

    Perhaps some people would be tempted to use their current situation to help secure a champagne-swilling gig on the world stage, after they move on from their current position.

    Perhaps also some people who are in a position to spend our money might, for example, be tempted to use our money to help a personal friend to secure the much sought after gig on the cocktail party circuit they have been touting themselves for, after which the former individual would expect a quid pro quo when the latter individual gets their gig and is in a position to return the favour.

    But, of course, I am not referred to any of our politicians. We know they are highly principled people who, like trustees, are duty bound to act in the best interests of the community and to put the community’s interests ahead of their own. We know that none of them would sell us out to save their own seat and their privileged position in government.

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    Ross

    The ramping up for Paris ,is in top gear. Last night on the box I saw on CNN & the BBC pieces on bleaching of coral reefs and today I see on my Google News that Bloomberg is going a speaking tour of “the cities” on the climate issue.

    I’m of the opinion Paris will be a flop for a number of reasons but the key one being, as others have said above , China will plays games with it and also Putin has rubbed Obama’s nose in it with the Syria issue and he will delight in doing it again in Paris, given the opportunity. Russia has always thought AGW is a scam.

    Sure there will be pompous proclamations at the end of it and lots of promises made but as with other COP meetings the promises will not be met.

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      gai

      I sure hope you are right. It is sad when you have to depend on Putin and China to bring some sanity into the mix.

      I am not sure that I would trust China to throw a spanner in the works this time given all the kowtowing Obama has been doing to China in prep for the meeting of Paris-ites.

      On the other hand China is well aware that if Obama torpedoes the US economy like he wants to with an 83% CO2 reduction target, he also torpedoes not only the US economy (and the Chinese economy linked to it) but also any hope the Chinese have to reclaim all the money they have in US treasury bonds.

      Putin from what I can see is one of the few intelligent and sane leaders of today thank goodness. However unlike Turnbull and Obama he will do what is best for his country and not what is best for the World Bank and UN and the rest of us.

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        PeterS

        Yes it is sad we have to depend on two of the most corrupt regimes in the world to try and counteract the push by the West for the expansion of the global warming scam. It’s a lot like choosing who to vote for at the next election. We lose either way. Got your popcorn yet?

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        el gordo

        Putin maybe changing his position on climate change, here’s the thug at the UN last month.

        “We might defuse the problem for a while by setting quotas on harmful emissions… but we need a completely different approach. New technologies inspired by nature,” the former KGB officer told the plenary hall in New York.

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          Thanks el gordo. I wonder what he is referring to with “..new technologies inspired by nature” ?

          The other country I should have added is India. They will do their own thing even though their representatives will say all the right things in Paris ( they were well trained by the British system many years ago in the art of BS). India is just as aspirational for their people as China for just the same reasons.

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      Angry

      Ross,
      I pray that you are correct re Paris being a flop.

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    Just to start your day with a laugh , I was reading the Quadrant article about the IPCC process for producing the Summary for Policy Makers and Tony Thomas ( the author ) adds this in the comments section

    I have also come across the following experience cited by an acquaintance:
    “A couple of years ago, for a lark, I applied to become an expert reviewer for the IPCC. On the application form I stated I had a B.E. in mining, that I had not published any papers, that I was not involved in or had ever been involved in any research and was not an expert in any field of climate science. Lo and behold I was accepted and I received a series of emails for a time trying to get me to agree to what IPCC section I was assigned. I replied to none of these so the emails eventually stopped. How is that for quality control?”

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    pat

    heard a few minutes of ABC Tony Delroy’s Issue of the Day last nite.

    Caller (almost verbatim): coal is dead, coal is completely dead. Germany gets 80% of its energy from renewables, china is investing in renewables blah blah.

    does Delroy correct the caller. not at all.

    Dec 2014: IEA: Global coal demand to reach 9 billion tonnes per year by 2019
    Coal demand will grow at an average rate of 2.1% per year through 2019, the report said.

    Wikipedia: Renewable energy in Germany
    Renewables as a percentage of primary energy consumption 2014: 11.1%.

    I can’t count the number of times Delroy & others at ABC, or members of their audience, have unquestioningly spouted the Germany/80% renewables meme, or claimed coal is dead, yet the ABC bosses do nothing about it.

    and taxpayers pay for this!

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    pat

    “Climate Games” is a good term for it! MSM will provide the PR between now and the summit, free of charge:

    8 Oct: Guardian: Arthur Neslen: Activists promise largest climate civil disobedience ever at Paris summit
    Thousands expected to take part in ‘red line’ blockades of Paris climate summit, after two weeks of colourful protests that have been dubbed ‘the Climate Games’
    The protests will involve 10 blockades, themed around “red lines” which they fear negotiators for the nearly 200 countries inside the summit may cross…
    “It is going to be the largest mass civil disobedience climate justice action that we have ever seen in Europe,” said Prayal Parekh, a campaigner with 350.org. “We’re sensing a lot of excitement and appetite. It’s going to be colourful.” …
    “Now we’re at the cusp of a chance to shift away from fossil fuels and make our societies more equitable and I want to seize the opportunity for a better future. I don’t want to have to read about the hottest summer ever or Pacific islands disappearing anymore.”
    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/oct/08/activists-promise-largest-climate-civil-disobedience-ever-at-paris-summit

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      gai

      If They were not so determined to drag me over the cliff with them, I would say be my guest. Go ‘CO2′ free and get back to me in a year if you are still alive.

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      ianl8888


      … to shift away from fossil fuels and make our societies more equitable …

      At first, that seems like a non-sequitur – but when you examine it closely it isn’t. Third-world standards for everyone is very equitable if one is a collectivist

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        gai

        The elite hate the middle class because we are a threat to their position. They have wanted to go back to a two class system since the American and French revolutions turned their nice comfortable PRIVILEGED world upside down.

        It looks like they are finally going to get the return to the Dark Ages that they have been so diligently working for all these years. I doubt the ‘Useful Innocents’ have any idea of what is actually waiting for them on the other side of a cross the board UN agreement. UN Transit Village

        I am very glad I do not have children.

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    Iren

    I was at the pictures in Westfield Bondi Junction two weeks ago and the UN had the hide to ADVERTISE that all countries had agreed to sign its climate change treaty!

    I have to assume that includes Australia and it made me feel sick.

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      UN ‘s goals, just take a look at the
      membership of its Human Rights Council,
      plenty of non-democratic human rights
      offenders there, running the show.

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    30 Sept: Toronto Star: Raveena Aulakh: Study raises doubt about viability of Northwest Passage as shipping route
    Thick ice means commercial shipping still decades off, researchers say.
    Now, a study that zeroed in on a big chunk of the Northwest Passage, says sea ice there remains too thick and treacherous to be a regular commercial shipping route for decades.
    A team of researchers measured the sea ice thickness for about 1,000 kilometres between Resolute and Cambridge bays earlier this year and found that it’s up to three metres thick in most regions of the passage.
    Ice that originated in the Arctic Ocean showed thickness of over three metres on average.
    The paper was published in the journal Geophysical Research Letters…
    It would take 30, or even 50 years, before the ice becomes weaker, he said. “It’s really thick in the winter and there is a chance that during individual summers, it can survive and stay thick. If we have a cooler summer, like we had in 2014 and 2013, there would be significantly thick ice surviving.”…
    http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2015/09/30/study-raises-doubt-about-viability-of-northwest-passage-as-shipping-route.html

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    nezysquared

    I guess some of you will have seen this – if not it’s only 3 minutes long, it’s Monckton and it’s very interesting if a little disconcerting….

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NG0WcjGHkEw

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    I should have added that this was posted in February of this year……

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    7 Oct: Guardian: Fiona Harvey: Paris climate talks should not put figure on finance, says World Bank vice-president
    Rachel Kyte says governments at the 2009 summit agreed funding for developing countries by ‘picking a $100bn figure out of the air’
    She said: “I hope there is not a number [on climate finance] for beyond 2020 at Paris. I understand the need of developed countries to ensure that finance is going to those countries but that is not it.”
    She accused governments at the Copenhagen meeting of making up a symbolic number in the closing days of the talks, just to try to get a last-minute deal.
    “The $100bn was picked out of the air at Copenhagen,” she argued. “If you think about the global economy and the challenge for finance ministers in developed countries, I’m not sure that an abstract number like $100bn is helpful. It is not a meaningful number to a country managing its economy.”…
    Kyte said that the new agreement would not need a similar pledge on post-2020 financial assistance, but would be better made with a clear commitment to provide clearly defined climate finance, without setting a specific number on it.
    This was not only because a numerical pledge would be meaningless, but because the commitments on emissions (called Intended Nationally Defined Contributions, or INDCs in the UN jargon) are now much clearer than they were at Copenhagen…
    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/oct/07/paris-talks-un-cop-climate-finance-world-bank-vice-president

    reminder:

    Dec 2009: NYT: Hillary Clinton Pledges $100B for Developing Countries
    By LISA FRIEDMAN AND DARREN SAMUELSOHN
    COPENHAGEN — Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton has promised the United States will help raise $100 billion annually by 2020 to assist poor countries in coping with climate change as long as America’s demands for a global warming pledge are met.
    Clinton’s announcement, made during a packed news conference, represents a major breakthrough in the U.N.-led talks, which had all but ground to a halt last night…
    Clinton did not go into many other details, leaving it unclear precisely what the U.S. share of the $100 billion would be. U.N. climate chief Yvo de Boer said he is “looking keenly forward” to learning what that contribution will be.
    De Boer and others said Clinton’s announcement has helped get the lurching and sputtering train of international climate talks back on track…
    U.S. environmental groups and House Democrats heaped praise on the announcement…
    Andrew Deutz of the Nature Conservancy issued a statement saying that in 15 years of following climate talks, he had never seen the United States commit to this level of long-term financing.
    “This is the type of high-level political offer that we’ve been looking for world leaders to bring to Copenhagen to reach a global deal,” he said…
    http://www.nytimes.com/cwire/2009/12/17/17climatewire-hillary-clinton-pledges-100b-for-developing-96794.html?pagewanted=all

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    8 Oct: Guardian: Lenore Taylor: Coalition promises review of Direct Action’s ‘safeguards’ process in 2017
    Experts cast doubt on ability of Turnbull government’s climate change policy to achieve the greenhouse gas emission reductions it is counting on
    On Thursday the environment minister, Greg Hunt, quietly gazetted the long-awaited final detail of the mechanism, which is designed to ensure increasing industrial emissions do not undo the greenhouse gas abatement that the government buys through its $2.55bn emissions reduction fund.
    The mechanism begins on 1 July next year, but after discussions with independent senator Nick Xenophon, the government has said it will start a promised review on 30 June 2017, and complete it within five months.
    It has specified that the review will consider whether the “baselines” or benchmarks set for emissions from the 140-odd businesses covered by the scheme should be tightened to make sure Australia’s policies can meet the promised 2030 emissions reduction target.
    ***It will also look at the rules that allow businesses exceeding their baseline to buy pollution “credits” from other firms – which could set up a form of emissions trading scheme…
    “…This policy will have to be toughened,” said the chief executive of the Climate Institute, John Connor…
    “To get that result would require much tighter baselines.” Bret Harper, head of research at Reputex…
    “The only way to get substantial cuts like that would be to change the baselines so they reduce over time” Elisa de Wit, climate law practice at law firm Norton Rose Fulbright…etc
    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/oct/08/coalition-promises-review-of-direct-actions-safeguards-process-in-2017

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    8 Oct: Financial Times: Jeevan Vasagar: Compromise and opposition on road to Germany’s renewable energy
    Proponents of the Energiewende say the success of the shift has defied the sceptics. Patrick Graichen, executive director of Agora Energiewende, a Berlin-based think-tank, says: “We will probably reach 30 per cent [of ***electricity generation from renewables] this year, compared with where we were 15 years ago — which was 6 per cent…
    While the use of nuclear power is shrinking, the country remains heavily dependent on lignite and coal, which generated 26 per cent and 18 per cent respectively of German electricity output last year…
    Gas-fired plants, which produce CO2 in lower quantities than burning coal, have struggled to compete with cheaper coal at a time when carbon allowances are at rock bottom prices. In March, Eon filed to close two gas-fired plants in Irsching, Bavaria, because there was no prospect of operating them at a profit…
    By 2017, Germany is due to shift from feed-in tariffs to a competitive tender process to determine the level of funding for clean energy…
    http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/2/6a254194-47e9-11e5-af2f-4d6e0e5eda22.html

    meanwhile, behind paywall:

    International Monetary Fund says it’s time for carbon tax, and Julia Gillard was ahead of her time
    Herald Sun‎ – 13 hours ago

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      pat mentions the use of Natural Gas (NG) here for Germany, and how some plants have applied to close down. Note here that it’s the NG plants closing and not the coal fired plants.

      Now, while there is a huge move towards NG in some places, this is only for Peaking Power plants, in other words, plants which can supply electricity at short notice. They typically will only run for a few hours a day.

      Where there are huge supplies of NG, then those plants (may) have a future. This is happening on a large scale in the U.S. but mainly because older and smaller coal fired plants are closing, and it was those plants which used to be kept in service to provide that Peaking Power, only delivering power when it was actually required, referred to as Spinning Reserve, or Rolling Reserve.

      These NG plants are referred to in the same manner as for coal fired plants, as Thermal Power.

      In the U.S. Thermal Power generates (almost) 2800TWH of power, which is 67% of all power generation. (and here keep in Mind that the U.S. gets almost 20% of its power from Nuclear generation) The makeup of just this Thermal power generation in the U.S. sees coal fired with 57.7% and NG at 40.8%.

      Now, for the sake of comparison, in China, that Thermal Power sector sees 95% of power being generated from coal fired, and barely 2.5% from NG. Incidentally, the total power delivered from just coal fired power in China is now 3% higher than the total power being generated from every source in the U.S.

      China still has a long way to go before it even gets close to power generation capacity with the U.S.

      The population of China is 4.375 times higher than for the U.S.

      Total power generation of China is only 1.36 times higher than for the U.S.

      With China concentrating on coal fired power, and Germany (and others) seeking to shut down NG plants, say, I wonder if there might be a message in that somewhere.

      Tony.

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    RoHa

    “Has the Australian government decided to sign the Paris agreement (whatever it is)?”

    All Australian governments (Labor, Coalition, what have you) will sign or agree to anything the US puts in front of them.

    Crazy wars against [fill in the blank], military bases in Australia, the semi-secret TPP deal; you name it, if the US wants it, the Australian PM will support it.

    So if Obama signs the Paris agreement, Turnbull will sign it.

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      Manfred

      RoHa,
      see 35 and 35.1.2 – “Draft outcome document of the United Nations summit for the adoption of the post-2015 development agenda. Transforming our world: the 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development”
      Better still, see the document itself in its 35 page entirety.

      Trade
      17.10 Promote a universal, rules-based, open, non-discriminatory and equitable multilateral trading system under the World Trade Organization, including through the conclusion of negotiations under its Doha Development Agenda

      17.12 Realize timely implementation of duty-free and quota-free market access on a lasting basis for all least developed countries, consistent with World Trade Organization decisions, including by ensuring that preferential rules of origin applicable to imports from least developed countries are transparent and simple, and contribute to facilitating market access

      Very little to do with the US in fact. The endorsement is from governments of individual countries honouring their commitment to the UN development goals. Turncoat is just another UN Apparatchik.

      Put your government under the spotlight.

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    8 Oct: ReutersCarbonPulse: Ben Garside: Experts urge G20 to co-ordinate carbon pricing to quell competitiveness fears
    The Group of 20 major economies should cooperate to expand and strengthen their carbon pricing policies to overcome competitive concerns, starting at next month’s summit in Turkey, according to the New Climate Economy, an international group of experts and academics.
    The call came as the group published Implementing Effective Carbon Pricing, a working paper, on Thursday, which included a comprehensive section on carbon leakage…
    “We now have the experience and momentum to coordinate the introduction of carbon pricing across G20 countries, and beyond. This will help to reduce competitiveness concerns and avoid second-best policy options such as border carbon adjustments,” said James Rydge, the group’s lead economist and author of the paper in a statement.
    “The coming decades will involve major structural transformations and economies that embrace innovation and change will do better. Governments are realising that carbon pricing is central to structural reforms for managing economic change and the climate risks they will face. Cooperation can help to accelerate the introduction of effective carbon pricing.”…
    The New Climate Economy is part of the Global Commission on the Economy and Climate, a body of former political leaders and senior figures in business, investing and economics. It is co-chaired by ex-Mexico president Felipe Calderon and UK economist Nicholas Stern…
    http://carbon-pulse.com/experts-urge-g20-to-co-ordinate-carbon-pricing-to-quell-competitiveness-fears/

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    re The New Climate Economy/Global Commission on the Economy and Climate.

    reminder – Goldenberg called them “independent”:

    8 Sept: Guardian: Suzanne Goldenberg: Climate-smart cities could save the world $22tn, say economists
    The Global Commission on Economy and Climate, an ***independent initiative by former finance ministers and leading research institutions from Britain and six other countries, found climate-smart cities would spur economic growth and a better quality of life – at the same time as cutting carbon pollution…

    read all the following and note ***(WRI serves as the managing partner):

    16 June: World Resources Institute: Andrew Steer: The Pope, the Economy and the Case for Climate Action
    This week Pope Francis issues his long awaited Encyclical on Climate Change. The Pope’s message should galvanize support for climate action for the Catholic community and well beyond…
    I’m confident of this, since two weeks ago, together with members of the Global Commission on the Economy and Climate Change, I had the great privilege of meeting with the Pope and his top Cardinals at the Vatican to discuss the subject…
    This brings us back to why we met with the Pope and Vatican leaders. They and we are concerned that too many political and business leaders, and regular citizens, believe that dependence on high-carbon fossil fuels (the “trampling and muddying” of climate change) are necessary for progress: an inevitable price to be paid for economic growth and poverty reduction. Many people understand the need to address climate change, but some believe the cost would be too high in terms of lost growth and progress. This is a wrong understanding.
    In last year’s New Climate Economy report, produced by the Global Commission on the Economy and Climate ***(WRI serves as the managing partner), we showed that addressing climate change with urgency will actually promote more rather than less progress, even in the near term…READ ALL FOR ALL THE RELIGIOUS TALK FROM WRI!
    http://www.wri.org/blog/2015/06/pope-economy-and-case-climate-action

    click on writer, Andrew Steer, for his bio:
    Steer is the President and CEO of the World Resources Institute…Dr. Steer joined WRI from the World Bank, where he served as Special Envoy for Climate Change from 2010 – 2012. From 2007 to 2010, he served as Director General at the UK Department of International Development (DFID) in London.
    Dr. Steer serves on the Executive Board of the UN Secretary General’s Sustainable Energy For All initiative; is Co-Chair of the World Economic Forum’s Global Agenda Council on Natural Capital; and is a member of the China Council for International Cooperation on Environment and Development (CCICED), the Leadership Council of the Sustainable Development Solutions Network, and IKEA’s People and Planet Positive Advisory Group.
    Prior to joining the UK Government, Andrew held several senior posts at the World Bank, including Director of the Environment Department. He also has directed World Bank operations in Vietnam and Indonesia.

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    New Climate Economy: The Team
    Helen Mountford, Programme Director
    Helen is the Programme Director for the New Climate Economy project and Director of Economics at WRI. She previously worked for the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD)…Prior to joining the OECD, Helen managed recycling schemes in England and worked for an NGO in Australia. Helen holds Masters degrees in Environmental Economics from University College London and in Environmental Management from University of Melbourne. She has a BA in Philosophy and History…

    Ferzina Banaji, Head of Communications
    Prior to joining NCE, she was the Communications Manager for WRI’s Global Climate Program. She previously led climate change communications for BBC Media Action, the BBCs international charity arm…

    Milan Brahmbhatt, Issue Expert/Researcher
    Milan Brahmbhatt is Senior Fellow at the World Resources Institute and leads the work of the Country Transitions workstream. Before joining the New Climate Economy, Milan worked at the World Bank…

    Sarah Chapman, Strategic Adviser
    Sarah is also the CEO of Iwana Energy, which develops and finances solar projects in emerging markets, currently focused on Central America. Prior to the New Climate Economy, Sarah was a Director at Climate Bridge in the UK and Australia, which financed around 200 utility scale renewable energy projects in China via the international carbon markets. She started her career as a management consultant at McKinsey & Company…

    Christopher Delgado, Land Use Issue Expert/Researcher
    Christopher Delgado is a Sr. Fellow at the World Resources Institute in Washington, D.C…
    Previously, he was Economics and Policy Adviser in the Agriculture and Environmental Services Department at the World Bank…

    Ian de Cruz, Strategic Engagement Director
    Ian has a diverse professional background including previous roles as Project Director of the Garnaut Climate Change Review in Australia and Head of Climate Change Response for an international development organisation, World Vision… Ian … has a BCom (majoring in accounting and finance) and LLB from University of Western Australia…

    Michael Jacobs, Senior Advisor
    Visiting Professor at the Grantham Research Institute on Climate Change and the Environment at the London School of Economics…From 2007 to 2010 he was Special Adviser to the UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown, and before that (2004-2007) a member of the Council of Economic Advisers at the UK Treasury…

    James Rydge, Lead Economist
    Prior to joining the Global Commission, James was the Dahrendorf Research Fellow at the Grantham Research Institute on Climate Change and the Environment at the London School of Economics and Political Science. In this role he worked closely with Lord Nicholas Stern… James has a PhD in Economics and a Master’s in Finance from the University of Sydney. Previously, he worked at the Bank of New York Mellon in London and PricewaterhouseCoopers in Sydney…

    http://newclimateeconomy.net/content/project-team

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    8 Oct: ReutersCarbonPulse: Stian Reklev: ETS proponent axed in Japan Cabinet reshuffle
    Prime Minister Shinzo Abe on Wednesday appointed former TV broadcaster Tamayo Marukawa as Japan’s new environment minister, sacking former minister Yoshio Mochizuki only a week after he said Japan might consider setting up an emissions trading scheme.
    Abe shifted 10 of his ministers in a move observers said was designed to breathe life back into the national economy…
    She has no background or experience in energy and environment issues, and over the past eight years she has primarily dealt with social and labour policies.
    “To be honest, I have no idea about her take on climate change and don’t know why she was appointed to the position. I never heard of her in the context of climate policies,” one observer who wished to remain anonymous told Carbon Pulse.
    She takes over from Yoshio Mochizuki, who over the past few months has made headlines with his opposition to plans to build new coal-fired power plants.
    Last week he raised eyebrows when he said emissions trading was a “cost-effective measure that will certainly lead to emission reductions”…
    Such a move would certainly be opposed both within the Cabinet as well as by powerful industry groups, and with Mochizuki’s removal the issue is less likely to reappear anytime soon.
    http://carbon-pulse.com/ets-proponent-axed-in-japan-cabinet-reshuffle/

    Reklev links to the new version and, like Lenore Taylor/Guardian, gets quotes from Reputex, and Elisa de Wit, who don’t represent Australia, as far as I’m concerned:

    8 Oct: ReutersCarbonPulse: Stian Reklev: Australia adopts controversial climate safeguard rules
    Environment Minister Greg Hunt gazetted (LINK) a version of the mechanism that was near identical to the draft released last month, meaning it will take effect on July1 next year
    Some observers had expressed hope that new prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull, for years an advocate of putting in place policies to combat climate change, might step in and provide the mechanism with some teeth, but such a move never materialised…
    But the safeguard mechanism will be on the list of policies up for debate in 2017, when the ruling Coalition will review its climate change policy portfolio, if it wins the 2016 election.
    One issue that will be looked at is whether those failing to comply with the mechanism should be allowed to buy UN-issued offsets as a make good provision.
    Currently, they have the option to buy Australian Carbon Credit Units (ACCUs) to compensate if they emit above their baseline. They can also apply for multi-year compliance periods and exemptions for natural disasters or criminal activity.
    Failing all of those, companies missing their targets might be subject to a civil penalty of a maximum A$1.8 million fine or $18,000 per day.
    http://carbon-pulse.com/australia-adopts-controversial-climate-safeguard-rules/

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      pat mentions this:

      Failing all of those, companies missing their targets might be subject to a civil penalty of a maximum A$1.8 million fine or $18,000 per day.

      Imagine a stinking hot day in Summer, or a freezing cold day in the middle of Winter.

      A large scale power plant is working flat out to supply the power which is required to keep our major cities actually alive and running.

      They have a set amount of emissions to keep to, and if they go over that, they pay the fine. So, because of that, they tell the regulator that they will be taking off line one of their units, not because of a fault, or for maintenance, but because of the cap, and the resulting fine. It’s not like they can source the power from another plant, because they also have their own caps as well, and are also working flat out, possible even exceeding their own caps.

      Imagine the Government Minister on the other end of the phone, head exploding because he sees his job going down the gurgler. What do you think his comment might be.

      Imagine, say Bayswater, reaching its cap even just ten days early, knowing that even ten days amounts to 600,000 extra credits they need to now source at even the low cost of $10, hence $6 Million, plus the $1.8 Million fine. So they tell the regulator that they will be offline totally for the next ten days, plus the three days to fire back up again.

      Now imagine the Government Minister at the other end of the phone.

      See how an ETS and it’s accompanying Cap and Trade has nothing at all to do with lowering emissions. It’s just about the money.

      Tony.

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    ScotsmaninUtah

    Job security

    “leading Australian climate scientists will discuss the impact of Australia’s decision to sign the United Nations’ Sustainable Development Goals and the upcoming COP21.”

    Information Session = 1 hour
    Private Briefings = 2 days

    There is something very “fishy” about this !

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      Manfred

      Not sure about the fish odour. 1 hour of smoke and mirrors, 2 days of closed session ‘Transforming our world: the 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development’ UN mission indoctrination.

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    Mack

    Pat, (or somebody)
    These media people of the “Drum” are quite hard to get hold of…I want to send an email to them.
    Could anybody here give me an email list of the particularly worst “offenders” wrt “climate change”.
    Nil desperandum guys….

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    Mack – can’t help, but hope someone else can.

    8 Oct: CBS: AP: California wants renewable energy for half its power by 2030
    Brown tried for an even stronger measure that also would have enforced a 50 percent drop in petroleum use by 2030, but was defeated by oil interests. He called that a short-term setback, and insisted that the world needs to wean itself off fossil fuels as quickly as possible.
    “What has been the source of our prosperity now becomes the source of our ultimate destruction, if we don’t get off it. And that is so difficult,” Brown said at a signing ceremony Wednesday at the hilltop Griffith Observatory, overlooking the haze of downtown Los Angeles…
    “It’s monumental,” said Alex Jackson, an attorney with the Natural Resources Defense Council. “For an economy the size of California to commit to getting half of its power needs from renewable energy resources, I think, is a game-changer.”
    Few question whether the new goal of 50 percent is achievable by 2030, but critics worry that the complex regulations needed to speed the transition from fossil fuels will add unknown costs for consumers and businesses…
    Just how California will meet the new goal isn’t clear…READ ALL
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/california-wants-renewable-energy-for-half-its-power-by-2030/

    8 Oct: Climate Change News: Ed King: South East Asia coal use to triple – IEA
    Fossil fuel use in South East Asia could spike 80% by 2040 despite nascent plans to roll out wind, solar and hydro projects in the region, the International Energy Agency has warned.
    Without more policies to encourage energy efficiency and renewables, coal use could triple between 2011 and 2035, accounting for around 30% of global growth.
    Nearly a quarter of the region’s 600 million citizens still lack regular access to electricity, leading the IEA to predict “considerable further growth in demand” for power.
    The share of renewables in the energy mix could also fall as people move to cities and start using grid electricity instead of biomass for cooking and heating.
    Energy related CO2 emissions from the region, which includes Malaysia, Thailand, Cambodia, Myanmar, the Philippines and Indonesia, could double, hitting 2.3 gigatonnes by 2035…
    http://www.climatechangenews.com/2015/10/08/south-east-asia-coal-use-to-triple-iea/

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      pat mentions this:

      Fossil fuel use in South East Asia could spike 80% by 2040 despite nascent plans to roll out wind, solar and hydro projects in the region, the International Energy Agency has warned.

      This helps to put paid to any effort to raise the percentage of renewable power with respect to the total power being generated.

      Consider this.

      Just to STAY at the current World total for wind and solar power of a little more than 1%, then for every 500MW of coal fired power which comes on line, they will need to construct wind and solar with a Nameplate of 2000MW.

      And as to California wanting 50% of its power from renewables by 2030, that is something which will never happen.

      Have these people NEVER seen a Load Curve for actual power consumption. When 65 to 70% of every watt of power is required for 24 hours of every day, and renewables known to NOT BE ABLE to supply that on any scale required, then any talk of 50% renewables is a dream propounded by people who have no clue whatsoever.

      Unless the UN DEMANDS that no more coal fired power gets constructed, then whatever they say is nothing but spin.

      NONE of this will happen.

      Tony.

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        scotsmaninutah

        Have these people NEVER seen a Load Curve for actual power consumption. When 65 to 70% of every watt of power is required for 24 hours of every day

        Tony,
        totally agree ..

        There was talk from some politicians in California that people should go to work “when” power was available :o

        reality is fast becoming a sparse commodity

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    ScotsmaninUtah

    “California dreamin’ – Taxifornia”

    “Let’s see what a tremendous record of success that the “oasis of Democratic politics” has delivered for Californians”

    http://soquelbythecreek.blogspot.com/2012/10/california-oasis-of-democrat-politics.html

    apologies for the older article, but serves as a reminder of what to expect from the left (even in the once prosperous State of California)
    The road to hell is often paved with good intentions….

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      doubtingdave

      Dennis , thanks for that link, an enjoyable and moral boosting read that everyone here would agree with. PS worked a night shift last night so was well placed to enjoy the view of the Northern lights that blessed the night sky above most of the UK, although there was partial cloud cover most of the night so i couldnt say wether or not Svenmarks cosmic\cloud seeding theory is confirmed or not ;)

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      KinkyKeith

      Good post Dennis

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    Bill K

    “It’s very important that we get strong and effective outcomes from the conference in Paris next year,” Mr Abbott said… (SMH 19th November 2014)

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/abbott-finds-his-french-connection-on-emission-controls-20141119-11pq9s.html#ixzz3o2fUiaUH

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    At the last Queensland Liberal National Party (LNP)state Convention Motion number 20 was carried unopposed and the resolution is now LNP policy .It states That this Convention of the LNP requests the Australian Government instruct its representatives attending the UN FCCC COP21 Meeting in Paris from 30 November to 12 December 2015 that they must not sign any binding agreement that jeopardizes Australian National Sovereignty .This should stop Turnbull ,Hunt , and Bishop selling out Australia, in Paris .There is no empirical scientific evidence for the claim that carbon dioxide from human activity affects global temperature or global climate variability because the empirical evidence clearly disproves human causation .Prof.Hoegh-Guldberg remains a lead Author of the unscientific UN IPCC claims they have evidence for his claim .The UN IPCC has never presented any empirical evidence or logical causal analysis proving human carbon dioxide causes global climate variability or warming .His claimed scientific evidence and proof of causation is non-existent. His claim is false. It begs the question is he incompetent as a scientist or dishonest.

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      Dennis

      Peter, thank you for your post. I understand that Minister For Foreign Affairs Julie Bishop has already signed Australia to the UN Agenda 21, 2030 targets which lead, I understand, towards the one world government goal. And that the Paris Agreement focus is on redistribution of wealth including member nations agreeing to pledge taxpayer’s monies to the UN IPCC even if (when in my opinion) the climate change models prove to be wrong.

      Considering the reports on comments from Turnbull, Bishop and Hunt since the change in leadership I believe that they have no intention other than to cooperate with the UN agenda. Regardless of the Queensland LNP Motion No.20 and the Agreement that the Federal National Party arranged with the Liberal Part according to reports.

      They have lost my support.

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        ianl8888


        They have lost my support

        Yes, but the choices you make are irrelevant

        At the risk of being regarded as a Cassandra, scattered resistance really doesn’t matter

        I read various climate-related websites because I am genuinely scientifically curious. I do not believe the scientific method has any effect whatsoever on politics du jour. Most of the populace have the attention span of a goldfish – each circuit around the bowl is brand new

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          Manfred

          Most of the populace have the attention span of a goldfish – each circuit around the bowl is brand new

          ‘Most of the populace have the retention span of a goldfish – each circuit around the bowl is brand new’

          Lucky for them. Can you imagine otherwise how ineffably dull their life would be. A case of adaptation at its finest don’t you think?

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        KinkyKeith

        Dennis

        I have voted Liberal on only three occasions in the last 50 years.

        Never ever voted Labour.

        Always tried to vote Independent except when I specifically wanted Laba gone.

        Succeed each time.

        The first was Bill Morrison by less than 100 votes.

        He seemed a nice guy but was part of hard laba who would sell out hard working, stable people for a chance at the big game:

        The Treasury.

        The last was top Get Tim Owen in.

        Then we were screwed by the State Liberals who just wanted more profit from a land grab.

        From now on, probably only a few years my vote goes anywhere BUT Lab or Lib.

        KK

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          Dennis

          Keith, Bill and Mardi Morrison provided their Sydney Palm Beach holiday house to the Habib family when he returned from being a US prisoner of war after being captured with the Taliban soldiers in Afghanistan. I remember when Bill had the narrow win for the federal seat of St.George in Sydney.

          The problem I have with future voting is that I understand the unions plan to field “independents” at the next federal election to channel preference votes to their ALP to add to Greens preference swapping. And having followed the Trade Union Royal Commission inquiries, and the evidence given by Bill Shorten when he was a witness, and knowing the ALP plans for emissions trading into three areas and increasing Renewable Energy Target, immigration of “refugees” and other policies, the ALP has to be off my list along with the Greens who are for all intents and purposes in coalition with Labor.

          But by voting for the Coalition side, Nationals still trustworthy I believe, there appears to be no difference.

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        Angry

        Turncoat turnbull and his anti Australian LEFTIST government have to go !

        The National Party must split from the liberals ASAP !

        We will never ever vote for the liberal party again because of their betrayal !

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          Ross

          I see the Political Editor of The Age ( yes I know it is a leftie paper) is saying the talk is Turnbull might go for an early election during the summer. I presume he would mean Feb/March. If that were the case then they would have to be very careful what they did in Paris. If they annoy the Aussie voter it will be very fresh in their memory in Feb/March.
          So if they plan for an early election then “sitting on the fence” in Paris would be sensible.

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            gai

            If Turnbull has been promised a UN appointment then he could care less about a coming election.

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              Dennis

              Comrade Kevin would not allow that to happen Gai and his Dear Colleague Malcolm would surely not want to ruffle Kevin’s feathers. As he proved to us by agreeing to support Kevin’s emission trading scheme plan when Malcolm was opposition leader.

              However, it does look like there is one agenda now and it matters not which side we support. After all, Australia is really such a tiny place in terms to population and economic activity (about 2% of global economy) and obviously there are politicians here who seek to join a much larger domain. It is so hard to be little fish in such a big pond.

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            Angry

            Turnbull jeered…..

            http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/turnbull_jeered/

            Turncoat turnbull – the minister for goldman sachs and carbon dioxide (plant food) trading.

            HE HAS TO GO !!

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              GeeANGRY

              That’s 4 words not 3 so does not fit with your leadership style preference. Try “anyone but Turnbull”, or “no more Turnbull”.

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      KinkyKeith

      That has to be my Magic Moment for the day

      Thanks Peter

      KK

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      Len

      Unfortunately what motions are passed at a Liberal Party conference/convention are not binding on their Parliamentary Party. All other political parties’ decisions reach at their state conferences are binding on their politicians. How this came about with the Liberals is unknown to me. Probably the best guess would be the fawning of the liberal lay party members looking forward to a tenure in parliament.

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      Yeeeyha! Thx Peter, will include in me epistle
      ter Greg Hunt beth-the-serf.

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    doubtingdave

    Keith , i’ll highlight the key phrase in Peters comment; They must not sign any binding agreement that JEOPARDIZES AUSTRALIAN NATIONAL SOVEREIGNTY : Thats the ambiguous part,that can be interpreted in many ways, i doubt if Turnbull or Hunt would have the same view of whats in the national interest at Paris as Abbot did.

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      el gordo

      ‘i doubt if Turnbull or Hunt would have the same view of whats in the national interest at Paris as Abbot did.’

      Not sure about that, up the thread Bill K’s link is worth reading, Abbott was in retreat from the barbs of Bishop, Turnbull and Hunt.

      Its lonely being a heretic at the top and the Monk (a pragmatic politician) did what he could in the time allotted. History will be kind to him.

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    DOC

    I’m exhausted from reading all the entries. However, the key question is how to force the truth of where this government stands on the absence of proof, AGW.

    It is astounding that Julia gil..-sorry, Julie Bishop – is under no pressure to reveal what she knows of whatever agenda numbered paper she has reputedly already signed. What did she ‘whisper’ in Turnbull’s ear at the post Abbott ‘slaying’ re Paris.

    One is astounded at how unprofessional is Australian media these days. At a time one company is in rags from writing rags, wouldn’t anyone expect these days that some intrepid journo would be doing Freedom of Info. jobs and demanding answers to questions about matters that will greatly effect the nation after Paris.

    Are the voters expected to walk like lemmings over the cliffs because Malcolm, Julie and Greg – 3 people who have been voted in saying they are doing no more than the Abbott actions – say 25,000,000people in this country have to do as they say? Do more and they should be before the electoral commission for lying.

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      Dennis

      I am well aware of how the Australian political system operates but it annoys me very much that governments do things outside of managing the nation/states/territories and policies they announced during election campaigns. For example changing the Marriage Act, the Abbott Colaition Government decided that voters should be given the opportunity to decide, and that is how it should be. It is also wrong for a government to do something it promised it would not do, like introduce the carbon tax. And it is wrong for governments to commit our nation to a binding agreement without us voting, as with the suspected Paris Agreement decision to sign.

      And committing our taxes to a UN plan to tackle poverty in other nations when Australia has 1 in every 8 citizens living in poverty, and many homeless while refugees are provided with homes. We were not asked to approve of higher electricity charges based on subsidising so called renewable energy wind turbines and solar systems, they and many who believe they were born to rule decided for us. Leftist socialist agendas forced upon us.

      And the one world government, or as former Greens leader Bob Brown called it at his last National Press Club luncheon address in Canberra, a world parliament and no sovereign borders (Bill’s deputy Tanya recently made a similar comment about not supporting sovereign borders (nations), how dare the politicians attempt to throw away our nation and hand it over to politicians in Europe.

      Unfortunately there are many Sheep people who are blissfully ignorant of what is being done.

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    doubtingdave

    el gordo ,i hope history is kind to Abbot but my thoughts where really more focused on Turnbull and Hunt,most politicians are good at justifying whats in their own personnel interest as also in the interest of the Nation,Turnbull has his links to green investment bankers to justify , Hunt his gatekeeping for the BOM from public accountability , but don’t worry because whats in their interest is compatible with national interest and sovereignty if they want it to be .

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    pattoh

    If the Nats had any courage they would pull out of the coalition & bring the government down before our newly UN elected PM
    signs Australia up to ANY new treaty/agreements ( UNIPCC/UNHCR/WORLD HERITAGE) which will cede even more of the voters democratic rights.

    Malcolm was NOT elected by the people to be a dictator.

    Tony Abbott WAS elected by the people & in a major part to get away from this creeping fraudulent theft of national sovereignty which is AGW.

    The flower of the Nation’s youth was not & is not being sent overseas to protect Chairman Mal & his ilk’s right to indulge the Goldman Sachs’ of the world!

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    Kim

    We are definitely going into The Big Freeze – temperatures are definitely getting cooler. Paris in December is usually mild compared to February, however with the way things are going they may be in for a cold shock. On top of that the conference is in a low rent area of Paris – definitely not lovely Paris.

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      john robertson

      Wait a minute, how low rent?
      So low the UN can fake a terrorist attack and blow up their own stooges and have the blessing of the Paris City Council when they do so?
      Or just low rent by Pari-Sites standards?

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    Iren

    This is a follow up interview with Lord Monckton a few days after Tony Abbott’s overthrow.

    It is one hour long and worth every second.

    They’re going for world government on steroids.

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    Kim

    @john robertson – the conference is up near Le Bourget Airport. This is in a low rent area that extends from St. Denis around to Bobigny. There are a lot of low income residents including a lot of migrants from the Magreb. There is also a lot of new commercial development going in – an attempt to rehabilitate the area from just north of the Gare du Nord up towards Stade de France. It is definitely not luxury Paris. As for a terrorist attack – I hope that doesn’t occur.

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    Greg Hunt and Julie Bishop should not be let outdoors with keepers to control them both. Tony Abbott knew this. When she gets near the U.N. Julie Bishop loses self control.

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    How much sovereign power will Bishop and Turnbull give away to unelected UN bureaucrats?

    I’ll have a stab at it:

    1) UN regulatory oversight and maybe full authority over a nation wide mandated carbon credits and derivatives trading platform/s.

    2) A free-trade type agreement mandating that Carbon Credits will be part of a border-less world-wide trade system, and that the Australian Government will have no ability to restrict the country or company of origin for credits being sold – as long as the company is UN Accredited (READ: Pays kick-backs). This is a MUST HAVE for the large financial houses in the City of London and New York City, which will live off of the fees made on cross-trade and any rigging they will inevitably get away with due to being ‘market makers’ (LieBOR, ISDAFIX etc…).

    3) Possibly also an agreement that a transition phase will become active, where not only ABN‘s, but also TFN‘s, will become tracking numbers for carbon footprint transactions. Meaning that not only companies, but individuals, will be assessed parallel with every financial transaction for a carbon footprint. This is basically an ‘indulgences’ system to account for Carbon Sins to every participant in human activity, and of course it cannot be done without a cashless society being introduced (because EVERY transaction must be accounted for, otherwise cash would become everyone’s new best friend for consumerism). So if the world economy implodes between now and December, which looks likely given the Federal Reserve Repo’s and Reverse Repo’s which look like they’re having a cardiac arrest (at $600billion currently: https://youtu.be/6Ksc2WJoXpg), then PARIS 2015 might conveniently be ‘just in time’ to be an integral part of the New Economic Order (Total tracking and control over ALL human activity in effect).

    That’s just for starters I believe, but the agreement will probably be in the 10,000′s of pages.

    It’s not like Malcolm Goldman Turnbull Sachs needs to read the contract his friends in New York and London have written though.

    He might even ask, “can I keep the pen?”. Then maybe he can remove the original copy of the Magna Carta from the display case at Parliament, and hang it instead in the nearest toilet, whilst announcing a coming ‘Republic’ (under UN supervision of course).

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