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SA Government won’t allow any non-leftist research — attacks Lomborg Centre

How easily it could collapse. What more proof do we need that the climate-crisis facade is maintained by hiding the counter arguments. Evidently the worst possible thing is for the public to be exposed to little pieces of paper with a message that runs against the creed.

The South Australian (SA) government is very very afraid, issuing statements yesterday, designed to intimidate Flinders University into rejecting the Lomborg Consensus Centre. They know that they can’t defend their “wind power” and “climate” policies, and the public will be up in arms when they realize how much money has been burned. (In 2012 Hamish Cumming estimated South Australian windfarms have saved 4% of their rated capacity in fossil fuels at a cost of $1,484 per ton.)

But it’s not about the environment or the economy,  it’s about prestige, popularity and status.

If the SA government fails to stop the Lomborg Centre at Flinders University, they know they will be called nasty names by their peers. They admit as much in their bizarre statements, which effectively use political pressure against a university to keep it free of “political pressure”, and admits researchers can be bought to support an agenda. Flinders Uni will look weak if they cave in now.

Are there any universities left in Australia that have academic freedom?

In a series of statements yesterday aimed at the Flinders University Council and the Coalition, the Weatherill government warned Dr Lomborg that he was not welcome in the state as it would damage South Australia’s image among the climate change fraternity.

State Labor also warned Flinders University that its academics would be bought off to peddle an anti-climate change agenda, and likened federal funding for the proposed centre to tactics used by the tobacco lobby.

Federal Education Minister Christopher Pyne said the state’s position was ­“bizarre” and a “disgraceful intervention” in Flinders’ academic ­affairs.

The SA Government oppose the Lomborg Centre on “ideological” grounds while declaring that universities should be free of er… “ideological” influence.

He [Ian Hunter, SA Climate Change Minister] said the Flinders Univer­sity Council should immediately rule out establishing the centre. “It needs to be made abundantly clear that the federal government’s funding carrot to set up the Lomborg centre comes with ideological strings attached.

So university researchers can be bought by governments to “support their agenda”. What does that say about the 97% government funded “consensus”?

“The federal Liberal government’s attitude to climate change is well known — and derided globally — and this funding is designed to buy willing researchers to support their agenda.

The former federal Labor governments attitude to climate change was “well known” too. Did Weatherill protest about the ideological strings then?

What’s wrong with Lomborg’s arguments? He’s not illogical, mistaken, or wrong, but Mr Weatherills friends don’t think much of him:

South Australia’s Left-aligned Climate Change Minister Ian Hunter, a strong factional ally of Premier Jay Weatherill, yesterday described Dr Lomborg as a “discredited pundit”.

The Australian Federal Government is just like Phillip Morris, is that what you mean Mr Weatherill?

“This funding tactic is similar to those used by the tobacco lobby when they were trying to obfuscate the science around the health impacts of smoking.

The same “funding tactic” was used by Gillard to set up the Climate Commission, the Climate Authority, and countless climate Quango’s. Did Weatherill oppose those tobacco-lobby-type  tactics?

In the end it’s not about the climate, or the economy — it’s image and reputation:

“Our state has provided strong leadership on climate change in this country, and this centre here at Flinders would certainly damage our image and reputation in this area, which is precisely what the federal government intends.”

There is no going back once the genie is out of the bottle. Hide that information! Bury that point of view!

The SA government is anti-research, against academic freedom, and doesn’t care if there are better ways to help the environment and the poor. It would rather waste the money but preserve their “image” and “reputation”.

Read more in The Australian

The warmists would filter and screen,
Those appointees of whom they’re not keen,
To prevent opposition,
To their climate position,
Thus ensuring such posts are kept Green.
–Rauiri

 

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    Leonard Lane

    Looks as if SA is going to have things their way or punish the university. The hypocrisy soaks their statements and the statements of Flinders University like a soggy rag. The public education system in Australia seems to have been captured by Marxists and their loony leftist puppets.
    What will it take to bring back unbiased education and research?
    Can it be done in the present administrative/political environment?

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      Dennis

      Maybe the PM could hand over $100 million of taxpayer’s borrowed monies to Flinders University, and they could award him with an honorary doctorate?

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      ivan

      The problem is that this is not a new thing – it started in the 60s and has got progressively worse over the years.

      Is there a way out of it? Yes but it will require several generations for that to happen because not only do the universities need cleaning up but the schools as well. Also before you can start you need some unbiased educators and teachers and where do you find them in this day and age?

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        Ted O'Brien.

        Very true. But this should be the last straw, the turning point. This has brought it out into the open.

        No longer will it be possible to dismiss critics as crackpot conspiracy theorists. No longer will critics be forced to feel isolated by public opinion.

        In the 1960s there was a “right wing” organisation called The League of Rights. Some of what they had to say was true and correct, and some was crackpot. Their campaign was very counter productive, because their good was condemned in the package with their bad. Over the years Bob Hawke put down many a good man’s criticism by declaring him associated with the League of Rights when he had no such association, based only on his having made a criticism that was included in the LOR package. That enabled Hawke to dismiss the criticism in the public eye.

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          Ted O'Brien.

          aussieguy tagged it with his expose of Grace Hill at #1.1 on ‘Flinders Uni in panic’ on July 21.

          What are the important issues that drive you?
          ​Marxism, student rights, social justice.

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        gai

        Actually Ivan it started a lot earlier than that.

        Look up John Dewey, father of Progressive Education.

        Dewey determined schools could produce little socialists and collectivists instead of little capitalists and individualists. The difference was the ability to READ!

        High literacy gave the individual the means to seek knowledge independently. It gave individuals the means to stand on their own two feet and think for themselves. This was detrimental to the “social spirit” needed to bring about a collectivist society.

        In 1896, via a gift from John D. Rockefeller, Dewey created his famous experimental Laboratory School at the University of Chicago where he could test the effects of his new psychology on real live children.

        Later in the 1950s I was subjected to his ‘new reading methods’ designed to produce reading problems and illiteracy in America.

        Lenin even tried out Dewey’s methods.

        John Dewey & Soviet Progressives
        It turns out that progressive educator John Dewey’s books were not only influential in the United States. “Dewey’s first six books were rapidly translated into Russian,” historian Paul Kengor said in a conference sponsored by the group America’s Survival. “They told John Dewey his books were perfect for what they were trying to do in the USSR.”

        Kengor spoke at the America’s Survival conference at the National Press Club on October 21, 2010. “The Bolsheviks wasted no time getting John Dewey’s works into Russian,” Kengor writes in his book Dupes: How America’s Adversaries Have Manipulated Progressives for a Century. “In 1918, only three years after it was published in the United States, Dewey’s Schools of Tomorrow was published in Moscow.”

        “Given what was happening in Russia at the time, this is staggering.” To wit: the Soviets, broke, were fighting a bloody civil war.

        “Only a year after Schools of Tomorrow was published came a Russian translation of Dewey’s How We Think (1919) and then, in 1920, The School and Society,” Kengor relates. “These, too, came during the misery of the Russian Civil War (1918-21), which, according to historian W. Bruce Lincoln, snuffed out the lives of seven million men, women and children.” [Italics in original]

        “Dewey’s ideas were apparently judged as crucial to the revolution as any weapon in the arsenal of the Red Army.” Kengor did much of his research in the archives of the Communist International, about as primary a source as you can get….

        Actually, the epilogue to Dewey in the Soviet Union is comic. Lenin ordered the schools to adopt Dewey’s educational philosophies, and the test scores at the end of the semester were so abysmal, that he instituted the strictest form of European standards education, kind of a mix between the German and French forms.

        In the spirit of ‘dewey unto others’ the Soviets via George Count’s handler Anna Osipovna targeted US education.

        In 1931 Houghton Mifflin published New Russia’s Primer: The Story of the Five-Year Plan, by M. Ilin, translated from the Russian by George S. Counts, Associate Director of the International Institute and Professor of Education in Teachers College, and Nucia P. Lodge, Research Assistant in the International Institute.

        We see that Anna Osipovna has transformed herself into Nucia Lodge. And we see that the dapper professor Counts modestly claims that he translated the book, while grudgingly crediting his KGB handler. The payload of this unbelievably brazen covert influence operation is straight out of Muenzenberg’s manual.

        Muenzenberg’s payload: “You think the capitalist system is corrupt…You’re frightened…by the oppression of the working man…You think the Russians are trying a great human experiment…”
        Counts’ New Russia’s Primer:

        In America the machine is not a helper to the worker, not a friend, but an enemy. Every new machine, every new invention, throws out upon the streets thousands of workers. In glass factories one person now makes three thousand bottles an hour. In former times such a task required seventy-seven men. This means that each machine for the making of bottles deprives seventy-six men of employment. And the American worker despises the machine which takes away his bread.

        But how is it with us [Russians]? The more machines we have, the easier will be the work, the shorter will be the working day, the lighter and happier will be the lives of all.

        We build factories in order that there may be no poverty, no filth, no sickness, no unemployment, no exhausting labor— in order that life may be rational and just…We build in our country [the U.S.S.R.] a new, an unheard-of, a socialistic order.

        The newly-minted “Russian expert” from Columbia delivered the KGB payload directly into the cultural heart of America. “Capitalism is corrupt! Russia’s experiment is working!” screamed
        his text.

        The Primer was a selection for Book-a-Month Club members in May 1931, and 46,000 members chose it. Counts’ first influence project was a best-seller for seven months, and ranked eighty-first on the list of nonfiction bestsellers from 1921-1932. Cloaked in his non-partisan, academic-research cover, Counts delivered the anti-capitalist payload into schools, universities, and living rooms across America.

        From Willing Accomplices: How KGB Covert Influence Agents Created Political Correctness and Destroyed America by Kent Clizbe

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          Gai – New Reading methods linky no work – is this the link you refer to: http://www.libertarian.co.uk/lapubs/educn/educn029.pdf

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            gai

            yes I think so. Thanks for catching it. That one is new since my original website I used is no longer up.

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          Spetzer86

          You might find some things of interest regarding modern Western education at this site: http://www.invisibleserfscollar.com Many similar links to the information you’ve shared and more information on what’s happening today.

          A modern example of your point is the renewable power industry. We always hear how many more jobs there will be as a result of these programs. And more people may be employed, at least for a bit, but the overall cost goes up, efficiency goes down, and reliability drops. All these ultimately leading to a decrease in general employment.

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          nightspore

          I will have to look into to this. But since Dewey was staunchly anti-Soviet at least by the late 30′s, the slant you’re giving here sounds dubious to me. (I don’t doubt the bare facts such as the use of Dewey’s books in the Soviet Union. But there is a thing called “lying with facts”, which I see often on comment threads.) In fact, I’m certain that Dewey was concerned with promoting individualism not eradicating it. But I will check this out.

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        Leonard Lane

        ivan. In my opinion, it will be a long process. But to find righteous people, look in righteous families and their churches, temples, and synagogues. More than inviting them to participate, we must give hem hope that we will stand behind them, and support them in the public square and in funding. If they know they will be welcomed rather than scorned and scourged, I believe they will join an effort to restore schools and colleges for the general welfare of all Australian people.

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          gai

          I am afraid Maurice Strong is way ahead of you.

          Check out Crestone Institute/BACA and remember both the Anglican Church and now the Catholic church support CAGW.

          …Spiritual seekers in North America eventually hear about Crestone. They make their pilgrimage to this sacred land reminiscent of the Himalayas and home to dozens of spiritual organizations and retreat centers.

          Allison Rae, “Shambala of the Rockies: The Mythos and Power of Crestone”

          Maurice Strong is a Canadian billionaire who has constructed a new age retreat in southern Colorado called the Baca. Many of the world’s elites visit this religious retreat, including many adherents to eastern religions. One well-known actress has built a ‘channeling’ center there and even the Vatican has a representative present… Maurice Strong also is the United Nations Undersecretary for the UNCED (UN Conference on Environment and Development- 1992 Rio Earth Summit). This man is a radical New Ager and environmentalist and travels extensively in Globalist circles. Some of the more radical environmentalists embrace a form of pantheism… called Paganism….
          LINK

          That example was picked at random, there are many many others including the Crestone’s own website.

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      King Geo

      Quoting Leonard Lane

      “What will it take to bring back unbiased education and research?”
      “Can it be done in the present administrative/political environment?”

      Only one thing can bring this Marxist/Leftie/Greenie Alarmist AGW nonsense to an end.

      And that my fellow Jo Nova sceptics is the impending GM / LIA.

      Once years of unrelenting “cold weather” kicks in later this decade and beyond then the people of planet Earth will say “I am as mad as hell and I am not going to take it anymore” – this is wrt to the “AGW bullshit” which they had been relentlessly indoctrinated with for decades.

      This famous quotation is from Howard Beale played brilliantly by Aussie Peter Finch in his posthumous Oscar winning tirade in that iconic 1976 movie “Network”.

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        Still the same nonsense gets peddled here?

        Wake up and smell the coffee: wineries are planting more and more high temperature grape varieties because their existing varieties can no longer produce wines of refinement.

        In other words, global warming is here and now and hitting agricultural producers. One Landline episode featured a farmer planting high temperature tolerant wheat varieties and looking forward 20 years when wheat can no longer be planted in that region.

        Your cause is lost and you are looking ridiculous!

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          Griffo

          Maxine,your reply is off the topic,but I am interested in your point of view however crudely expressed.Maybe this conversation could be resumed on Weekend Unthreaded,kindly provided by Jo on this blog site.

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            Thought it was on topic? Anyway, the man on the land is ALREADY, LIKE RIGHT NOW, dealing with global warming.

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              Peter C

              Maxine,

              I haven’t seen you for a while. Not sure if I have not been concentrating.

              wineries are planting more and more high temperature grape varieties because their existing varieties can no longer produce wines of refinement.

              Please explain? There is a lag but what I see in the wine shopm seems much the same.

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                Yonniestone

                Peter C you’ve missed the point, people are ALREADY dealing with global warming and it’s happening LIKE RIGHT NOW.

                This must be true because using UPPERCASE WORDING means you’re being serious about the DIRE THREAT to our existence.

                Maxine, you’re not the only one, to take the whole world on…..

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                Do a bit of reading but here is one example. Saltram Open Day early this year for Club 1 members, as we got off the bus we were given a glass of Fiano, an Italian variety tolerant of heat. If you look at the lables you will see more Italian grape varieties.

                I cannot repeat strongly enough: AGW is here and hitting the man on the land. Pretending AGW is not happening is not a viable position, it is a ridiculous position as I said before.

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                Dave N

                “If you look at the lables you will see more Italian grape varieties.”

                Which has absolutely zero to do with climate and everything to do with Italian wine marketing. An unbiased person would check the production figures for local varieties as well.

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                Eddie

                Give Maxine a glass in her hand and she’s anybody’s.
                Winery tours will tell you anything you expect to hear to enjoy your day out. I bet they’ve even got a spiel for sceptics. The world has warmed slightly during last century and I’m sure there’s some truth in what they say. These changes are going on all the time.

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                MudCrab

                Maxine was given a free glass of wine?

                I think it is well beyond time that Maxine openly declared all her connections to Big Fermenting(tm).

                Personally I think Big Fermenting(tm) may need to take a spoon of concrete with their morning cuppa. Even if you take the IPCC reports as correct, and accept the amount of warming as true, if vine cannot handle that sort of delta it is a wonder they don’t curl up and die everytime the sun goes down.

                Still, if the Head Winemaker says he has been changing his corps, then CLEARLY man made CO2 is to blame. Thank you Maxine for making that leap of logic for us, it saves the rest of us from needless injury in trying to jump that massive distance.

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              King Geo

              Maxine clearly your geological knowledge is zero and likewise your knowledge of viticulture not much better,

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                I was quoting the Head Winemaker at Saltrams. The floor of the Barossa Valley is NOW TOO HOT for the varieties planted to date, all refinement goes. Not only that, the period between ripening of the different varieties is shorter, causing problems managing the vintage.

                Bury your head in the sand or not but business people are spending significant money meeting the problems of global warming here and now.

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                Just-A-Guy

                Maxine,

                PLEASE STOP SCREAMING! WE HEAR YOU JUST FINE.

                Abe

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                RB

                The floor of the Barossa is now too hot?

                The closest long-term temperature record still open is Turretfield (Rosedale) but despite opening in 1887 the record only goes back to 1962. The warmest Jan day was in 1968. There is a slight warming trend for monthly maximum means in the months of Jan, Feb and March b
                ut it looks like the usual step sometime after 2000 as the new automated system was introduced.

                The closed Nurioopta station was opened in the 19th century as well but only has data from 1952 to 1999. Its hottest Jan was 1968, hottest Feb was 1980. It has no discernible warming trend for Jan and Dec, and a very slight one for Feb. but a slight cooling trend from 1975 to 1999.

                All up, its most likely just in his head.

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              John R

              I’ve been farming for 40 years been through cold periods and warm. I can tell you the past few years have been getting colder with frequent frost, snow and low soil temperature. I am one of the men on the land dealing with the climate everyday. I can tell you Maxine you are ill informed, clueless and wrong.

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                Leonard Lane

                Thank you John R. Those who live on the land, till the soil, and produce things for consumers have a special knowledge from years of living with adversity and making astute observations. May God bless you in all you do.

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                In the tropical town of Broome, the last 70 years or so of temperature mean is still just 0.1C warmer than the previous 70 odd years. It’s only hotter in the cities, even more in lefty controlled cities like Adelaide and Canberra. No wonder they want more ‘Italian wine’ … sarc.

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                I am reporting what the head winemaker at Saltrams was saying. The older varieties were giving wine too fruit heavy and with no refinement, hence replacing them with heat tolerant varieties.

                I see lots of desperate deflection. The No1 Club is for people who like wine especially Saltram’s wine. Nothing to do with belief in AGW.

                You look ridiculous pushing the no climate change cause. You are wrong and muddleheaded, mistaking ideology for science.

                Fortunately, the muddleheaded and senile Speaker is making sure the present shambles of a govt will be a one term govt and sensible action against AGW will be resumed, saving you despite yourselves :) :)

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              Glen Michel

              Well Maxine,I’m from the land up here in Northern NSW,and I can honestly tell you that there is little change one way or the other.More of the same.Of course this subject comes up from time to time with other people on the land and I rarely come across any concern regarding change in temperatures or rainfall.

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              Paul Bamford

              Maxine he’s not dealing with global warming because it hasn’t happened yet. He, like you, is just assuming it is going to happen, because someone said it would. If you can’t work it out yourself, then here is the maths done for you.

              http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html

              Then remember that Australia is only 1.3% of this.

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                tom0mason

                Paul Bamford,

                You understand that a mere anecdote, allegedly from a local wine-grower retold by Maxine counters any and all scientific arguments you may wish advance about global variations — natural or not.

                ;)

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              MarloweJ

              Maxine, Please get with the program. Your mob stopped calling it global warming years ago because there hasn’t been any. At present it’s called climate change because that covers everything and everyone knows that the climate has always changed. If only we could do without that evil CO2!

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              Ceetee

              No he/she isn’t. What they are doing is getting on with the business of farming and its attendant challenges since time immemorial. Don’t try and imprint your city angst on them. They are far too busy and practical to be sidetracked by your politically motivated and hysterical faux emergency Maxine. Lucky for you.

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          Carbon500

          Maxine: please can we have some figures from you to support your assertion that the planet is warming dangerously?
          Please cite your sources, give us some temperatures and state in your own words why you think these temperatures are dangerous.
          Let’s be clear about all this. Here in the UK, the climate hasn’t changed at all in the 66 years I’ve been on Earth. Not a jot. We’ve had cold winters, mild winters, hot summers, cold rainy summers and more.
          Ordinary foul weather is now being routinely described as ‘extreme’ in the newspapers, and I for for one am heartily sick of the second-rate ‘science’ being peddled to second-rate politicians, and broadcast as fact by second rate media. The money being wasted is colossal. The European Union wants to spend 186,000,000,000 Euros on ‘climate change’ between now and 2020, when this money could be spend on real-life needy causes. CO2 levels will I suggest undoubtedly continue to rise, as they have done so far.
          My broad ‘take’ on all this is as follows.
          The pre-industrial era is regarded as the years prior to 1750AD. We’re told that the CO2 level in the atmosphere at that time was about 280ppm. It’s now 400 or so, a rise of 43%.
          In case you don’t know, ‘ppm’ means molecules of CO2 per million of all other atmospheric gases. These measurements are made on dry air. That’s an increase of 120 molecules of CO2 per million.
          Now look at the Central England Temperature Record (CET) which dates back to 1659. In 1750, the average temperature is given as 9.69C. Last year, it was 10.93, in 2013 9.56, and in 2012 9.70C.
          Such values aren’t unusual anywhere in the record – temperatures above 10C are seen in 1686,the 1700s,the 1800s, and the 1900s.
          Despite this 43% rise in CO2, somehow the planet appears not to have fried, and we’re all still here.
          Satellite measurements of temperature are considered to be the most reliable.
          Look at the data sets since the late 1990s and tell me where we’re seeing the supposed danger.

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          sophocles

          It’s alright, Maxine. It’s just part of a cycle. The 1930s were warm too, perhaps a teensy bit warmer than it is now perhaps not.

          But it cooled. Very slightly.
          In the 1950s, it was thought the atmospheric bomb tests were causing the cooling. So the testing went underground. By 1974 many people were running around like headless chickens because they thought the next glaciation of the current ice-age was on its way. (My favourite Time Magazine article is now behind a pay wall. Darn.)

          Then in 1980 it started to warm. By 1989 it slowed and stopped about 1997. But people had started running around like headless chickens all over again because they thought the global warming was permanent. Welcome to Cycles, Maxine. What was common to the cooling and then the warming was the hubris. It was alleged to be “all the fault of mankind burning fossil fuels.”. I won’t point out the obvious. You shouldn’t need it.

          Since then, there has been no statistically significant global warming. (Google “global warming hiatus”) What you are talking about is regional weather. So the Barossa Valley is not as cloudy as it has been. That will change. Just like the wine flavour fashion changes. Shiraz and Merlot may not be selling as well as they were and more customers, those who read the colour glossy fashion magazines, may be asking about Fiano. I doubt the valley floor is “too hot” for dry climate varieties. But, I’m not going to argue it as I’m not a viticulturist, and Australia is not Italy/France/Spain.

          As for AGW. Nah. You’ve struck out. See Richard Feynman’s explanation at the Hockeyschtick for atmospheric warming. (“The Feynman Lectures,” Chapter 40, Statistical Mechanics for those with time) Arrhenius was wrong. While you’re there, you can find out how greenhouse gases actually cool the planet. And then there’s the paper disproving the IPCC AGW theory you really should pay attention to.

          It’s been a good week at the HockeySchtick with some some very strong papers tearing up all the common myths.

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          RB

          There were serious losses due to frost in the past two years in new wine regions in Australia and in existing regions such as Clare valley and the Barossa valley.

          The cooler regions were always preferred for their cooler summers. The reasons for not growing in cooler areas is the risk of frost damage destroying the years crop in the spring.

          Here is the real reason for vineyards being planted in cooler regions. Frost fans.

          Another idiotic metric for global warming bites the dust, hopefully.

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      aussieguy

      What will it take to bring back unbiased education and research?


      (1) The truth. The truth that academic-activists have indeed infiltrated our education and scientific institutions. The truth in their own behaviour in not wanting to debate and explore (science), but to impose a political agenda and still consume the public’s money to do so. Expose them for who they really are. Plain and simple. Make sure it becomes public record.

      Most Australians don’t like their kid’s education politicised. They certainly become extremely concerned if they have been misled and become aware the institutions they have trust in are NOT politically neutral.

      The best example of truth is the results and consequences these infiltrated institutions produce. Academic-activists cannot run away from that! They will try to defend the indefensible (failure and poor performance), and the public will see it! Politically, the public will want someone to be responsible and accountable for failures.

      (2) Establish parallel institutions which do a better job…That’s right, compete against publicly-funded institutions based on honest reputation and integrity. The question will be how one prevents infiltration of these institutions? But you’ll see the situation becomes very interesting when the public find out their money is being used up to back an ideology. How would the Australian people react when a privately-funded institution produces better results that cannot be denied?

      Really, who wants their son or daughter to attend a university that does not produce competent professionals that make serious contributions to society?

      (3) Infiltrate and change them back…This is a morally questionable move. You basically do what these academic-activists do, but kill political agendas. The public won’t like this when they find out. And it becomes ammunition for academic-activists who want an excuse to defend themselves. Personally, I think this is a bad idea. One shouldn’t stoop to the level of their opponent.

      Can it be done in the present administrative/political environment?


      No. It will take time. Like what they did, it must be done slowly and precisely over decades. Slowly, slowly, bit by bit. You must be patient with a long term objective in mind.

      For all intents and purposes, Leftism has taken their overall strategy from Mao’s Guerrilla Warfare book. Instead of using weapons, they use culture, emotion, and feelings from altruism to convert institutions. Once converted, they push their own policies in. In Mao’s book, its basically 20% conflict and 80% politics. (They need public support, that’s why politics plays a major role in their strategy.)

      …But here’s the thing, they ARE the institution now, and they take taxpayer’s money.

      Which means? Their actions can be made accountable and they must be able to explain themselves to the public. The problem is: Are the public aware these academic-activists? I doubt it. They are aware something is wrong given the results produced. They have yet to make the link with the people who have caused the production of poor results and consequences. If they do become aware, the Left will have a lot of pissed off people on their hands!

      Personally, I suggest all people study books on warfare and understand how the Left have modified those tactics/strategy to infiltrate, convert, and impose their ideology upon the public through institutions. To fight an enemy, you must understand them as well as yourselves.

      In general, you fight the Left by being smarter and better than they are. They will be forced to adapt to you. ie: Take away THEIR initiative. (Put them on the defensive).

      The one thing the Left has lost is the argument on economics. Their record is something they cannot run from. This is why they don’t bring it up and try to make everything “social”.

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    Just-A-Guy

    Federal Education Minister Christopher Pyne
    Ian Hunter, SA Climate Change Minister, [edited by Jo] said:

    He said the Flinders Univer­sity Council should immediately rule out establishing the centre. “It needs to be made abundantly clear that the federal government’s funding carrot to set up the Lomborg centre comes with ideological strings attached.

    The ideological strings are academic freedom, freedom of expression, the pursuit of fact-based empirical solutions, the rights of the taxpayers to evaluate how their tax money is being spent.

    Do these strings need to be attached?

    Yes,on all counts.

    Abe

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      MudCrab

      The comments you have highlighted seem to have come from Ian Hunter, (SA Labor), rather than Chris Pyne (Fed Lib).

      The cuts from the original article are unfortunately a bit deceptive on this site.

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        Just-a-guy, and Mudcrab, Thanks for alerting me to that quote. The “He” needed a name. My apologies. I rearranged the order of the paragraphs with unintended effects. I’ve edited Just-a-guys comment so as to reflect this too. Appreciate your help.

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          Just-A-Guy

          Joanne Nova,

          Thank you for the edit to my post.

          I don’t have a subscription to The Australian so I couldn’t verify myself. Alerting you to MudCrab’s comment is Just-A-Way of saying thank’s for what you do.

          Cheers,
          Abe

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    pattoh

    Perhap SA Public Service Super swallowed the “koolaid” & a dose of genuine reality would cause “political” problems. What ever it takes etc.

    If the much advertised industry super funds are significantly exposed to windfarms; the double handed grip may well be on an empty wallet.
    (& the Hoover Flags should be out.)

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    Rereke Whakaaro

    It seems to me, as an independent apolitical observer, that the South Australian Government has contracted Lemming Disease — an irrational and irresistible desire to go and jump off a cliff.

    I have never witnessed mass political suicide before, and am at a loss for words. I know you don’t have to be terribly bright to be a politician, and a lot of politicians would agree with that, but you do need to have a keen survival instinct, and a sense of when it is, “better to say nothing, and be thought a fool, than open your mouth, and remove all doubt”.

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      Dennis

      Voters need to be out in force in large numbers opposed to electing Labor next election, the reason being that there is a gerrymander in SA, the electoral boundaries are arranged so that the government can only lose power if there is a massive swing against it.

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      OriginalSteve

      It seems a mass delusion has taken hold of Australian politics – call is “lemming” if you like, however I also look at it from a Christian perspective.

      Marxism is a sin-infested black hole – its envy, hate, blood-thirsty pursuit of power & Godlessness. Marxism is its own belief system.

      People see politics, I look for whats behind it.

      This is as much a fight for Australias spiritual “heart”, marxism cant flourish in a Christian society – its forced back by it. As such, when God of the Bible is absent from society, the nhilists will rule. You dont want that, as it means we have the very dangerous conditions that allowed the rise of Hitler and other tyrants.

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        Leonard Lane

        OriginalSteve.
        You are correct I do believe. A just and righteous people need to be led by just and righteous leaders. Marxists are the first to break these rules, they are evil as you say and their system, nor any socialist system, can ever succeed.
        And indeed, they cannot be sustained in a Judeao-Christian society.

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      King Geo

      Nice quote from Albert Einstein there Rereke but the “Lemming leftie pollies” won’t be going over the cliff any time soon because the impending GM/LIA is at least half a decade away and by that time most of them would have exited the political arena in any case. I agree though that those “Lemming leftie pollies” still with a seat circa 2020 will be very keen to exit their chosen vocation in great haste.

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        King Geo

        Correction – that quote is from Abe Lincoln. I do like Einstein’s famous quote

        “There are two things that are infinite: the universe and human stupidity and I am not sure about the universe.” Human stupidity is alive and well if so many human beings on planet Earth believe in the “Theory of AGW” and believe the “Religious Warmist Zealots” promoting it.

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        Dave in the states

        The battle is now. Even once the hysteria dies down and the AGW theories are seen for what they are, it will be very difficult to undo the detrimental changes the “solutions” have wrought on society.

        A few weeks ago Obama was gloating that his ideals are becoming part of the “fabric of America” and world.

        Academic Freedom, may not exist for future generations anywhere to any degree. That’s what is at stake right now.

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          Leonard Lane

          Dave. And as you know, Obama gave away control of the internet. China is already building a huge censorship system as it rushes for control of the WWW.

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            Just-A-Guy

            Leonard Lane,

            I’m afraid I’ve not heard about this. Any links to get me started?

            Abe

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            gai

            Try posting a link to Chemical Engineer John Kehr’s website or use the word T*r*o*Tsky.

            Your comment does not get to moderation it get vanished!

            This goes for here, Chiefio’s site and Steven Goddard’s site.

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    Yonniestone

    When saying the University say this or that what percentage of it’s population or decision makers are actually pushing this green/socialist dogma?

    Just wondering if the believers have key positions for leverage or simply a case of the squeakiest wheel getting the attention.

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      Just-A-Guy

      Yonniestone,

      You wrote:

      Just wondering if the believers have key positions for leverage or simply a case of the squeakiest wheel getting the attention.

      I’m inclined to think it may be both. The one reinforcing the other. ‘Positive feedback’ in effect on the propaganda band wagon. ;)

      Abe

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        Yonniestone

        Thanks JAG, it was an actual question for people who might be in the know in these circles, I suppose it came across as rhetorical. :)

        You can label many like minded people as having a group think mentality, the big question is what happens when someone attempts to think outside the group, this is the difference between group think and a true think tank.

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          Erica

          They have parachited themselves into positions of influence and power. Witness the Chancellor of Royal Roads University who publicly attacks Graduate students with professional backgrounds for not subscribing to his religion of CAGW. (His other hat is VP of the David Suzuki Foundation – a political activist group mascarading as a “charity”.)

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    TdeF

    This is not about the Climate! There has never been a clearer statement from an Australian government that Climate Change is purely a political issue, not a science one. There are few Labor members of parliament who would have their seats without Green preferences, so the economy, the climate and the truth are secondary to the wishes of the Communist Green Senators Lee Rhiannon, Adam Bandt and the rest.

    Climate Change/Global Warming/CO2 have given them political power they never had before, supported by well meaning people who think they are Green saints fighting for the holy planet. The Greens cannot afford the truth to get out, even from someone who totally agrees with CO2 driven global warming. So Lomborg must not get a platform in Australia, especially in the mendicant Windmill State where they have chased out uranium miners, car manufacturers, ship manufacturers and get twice the GST per head of population of the rest of the country, except for the other destitute Green state, Tasmania.

    The only effective product of South Australia and Tasmania is a flock of Green senators who totally frustrate the wishes of the democratically elected Federal House of Representatives where these is only one Green member in 200. The Greens fear the truth, nothing less. The truth must not be heard.

    Senator Sarah Hansen Young’s kow towing is really of Labor to the Greens.

    (Kowtow, which is borrowed from kau tau in China, is the act of deep respect shown by prostration, that is, kneeling and bowing so low as to have one’s head touching the ground.)

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      TdeF

      Adam Bandt is not a senator and there are only 150 members of the House of Representatives so Green representation is 0.7% in our democratically elected parliament.
      In the antique State based Senate it is 8 out of 76, so over 10% who combine with the ALP to prevent the passage even of measures they proposed. The modern ALP is totally under the control of the Greens, as was so obvious at the ALP conference.

      What Labor fails to realise is that by going extremist, anti farm, anti manufacturing, anti cheap electricity, anti forestry, anti meat, anti everything and pro boat invasion, pro Hamas, pro muslim immigration, pro RET, pro Carbon taxes they are utterly abandoning their electoral base. Perversely this is driving more Labor people to the Greens. Bob Hawke and Paul Keating are seeing their labor party devastated, but risk the fate of Martin Ferguson if they speak out.

      Australia needs a third party in the Senate other than the Greens. We had the DLP, the Democrats and even Palmer. Old Labor people just cannot bring themselves to vote for the Liberal/National parties. Even the Australian Sex party is polling well! Unfortunately in a modern world, it takes a lot of money and the Greens are well funded by the inner city twittering classes and now big wind, big carbon and big solar. The merchant banks stand to gain massively from an ETS as well.

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        Oh dear.

        If Labor WAS under the control of the Greens (what a ridiculous motion!) the Conference would not have kept turnbacks.

        But go your hardest about the Greens. The Greens are actually conservatives not progressives and are closer to the Libs than Lab. Don’t think so? Here are some votes:

        1. Opposed Rudd’s CPRS

        2. Helped the Libs prevent Labor setting up the Malaysian Processing Centre. Most drowings under Labor occurred after this.

        3. Helped do away with the debt limit for their friend Hokey. This saved him much embarrassment as he ran the debt right up, an extra $100Bn because he is spending like a drunken sailor.

        4. Helped the Libs cut pensions rather than take up Labor’s policy re high super tax exemptions.

        You are wrong about the Greens and AGW is here now hitting agricultural producers so you are wrong here too.

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          Maxine, if you keep repeatin the AGW mantra, it is bound to become true – The tale of “The boy who cried wolf” comes to mind.

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          el gordo

          ‘The Greens are actually conservatives not progressives and are closer to the Libs than Lab.’

          There maybe some truth in that, Tony Abbott is on record as saying the Libs are conservationists and the Nats Barnaby Joyce is an agrarian socialist.

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          TdeF

          There will be no turnbacks in a government I lead? Ha! Do you think people will believe it again?

          The Greens are not the ALP and were openly very unhappy about this decision by the ALP conference, even if it was just to get Bill elected. Then almost no one in the ALP but the unions agreed, unions Bill controls. It is their party, after all. So you can guarantee that the welcome mat will be out for all the people smugglers under a Labor/Green government. Then the mass murder starts again.

          Remember this disaster was all stopped before Kevin was elected and it was all Julia’s idea (she was in her words the ‘principal achitect’). There is no way the ALP or Greens can avoid responsibility for four jumbo loads of corpses in the Timor sea.

          ‘Agricultural producers’. Are you so far distant from reality that you cannot call them farmers?

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            TdeF

            Most drownings under Labor occurred after this.

            So firstly Labor is at fault, not the Greens. When asked about the massive death toll, hundreds and hundreds of families, Green Senator Sarah Hansen Young said “accidents happen”. So much for caring.

            Secondly, the last government was not possible without the Greens, Windsor and Oakshott and a bent Speaker. The first thing Julia did was introduce the very Carbon Tax she absolutely promised would never happen, something she said was a lie. Then it was a government by Bob Brown. You are in total denial that the drownings happened ‘under Labor’.

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            TdeF

            There will be turnbacks in a Government I lead.

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        Robert O

        Ted, these are the unintended consequences of a preferential voting system. Party A tops the polls, but parties B and C combined exceeds this figure and one of them, either B or C, is elected. The Senate is worse. Former PM Howard had the chance to go back to first past the post voting (as per the UK) when he controlled both houses; now it will never happen, can you imagine Senators SHY or Lambie agreeing to return to a fairer voting system!

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          Ted O'Brien.

          Preferential is best. The problem is in various corruptions that have been applied over the years as governments in power applied fiddles which they perceived as increasing their chance of success.

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    Sydney Boy

    If it is really a 97% consensus, then surely they couldn’t be afraid of a half dozen semi-skeptics could they?

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      TdeF

      Thats a good point. Of what are the government and students afraid, offended, even terrified?

      Do they fear Dr. Lomborg is violent or will attract climate jihadists? Is it racism? Is it feminism? Do they just disagree so violently with his opinions that he is considered to give offence worse than Charlie Hebdo on religious grounds, except with Climate Change? Even so, why is he not to be able to voice his views? Je suis Lomborg?

      If the Liberal party opened an office on Campus, would there be an identical protest?
      If South Australia’s Climate Council and their Minister for Climate Change opened an office, would there be such an outcry?

      What exactly is the reasonable basis of the horror of Lomborg? Are people offended by someone with a different opinion? Is the University not the place for different views? If not, where?

      Or are they offended that a conservative government is funding discussions on reactions to Climate Change instead of building more windmills, hot rocks subsidies or solar farms? What exactly is the problem?

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        Yonniestone

        The problem for them is not being capable of accepting incomplete compliance as this is what their political structure dictates, when they rage against anyone who is perceived as an enemy of the people the rage is compounded by the fact they are still living under democratic rule and thus their dreams of unbridled socialist rule is belittled to whatever social outlet they have access to.

        The term ‘cut off ones nose to spite their face’ rings very true.

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    Colin

    All you want to know is what exactly are they afraid of? The truth?

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      tom0mason

      Colin, truth they may indeed fear, but they apparently despise the idea of free and open forums of thought within academe more.

      “SA Government oppose the Lomborg Centre on “ideological” grounds while declaring that universities should be free of er… “ideological” influence”

      The idea of this institution engaging in freedom of thought, freedom to debate, and freedom to truly advance education appears to be an anathema to SA Gov. It appears SA governement has an institutional bias against freedom of thought. Would this be because the government feels, as a funder, as ultimate governor, it has the right to dictate what is taught and govern how minds should think?
      Is SA government ensuring that the shutters on real academic freedom are maintained tightly closed? It appears so

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        TdeF

        You would have to say it is just a nonsense rant, or a whole series of them.

        Hidden Agenda?

        “Up to 1997, Lomborg was an outspoken defendant of the environmental cause. But in February 1997, during a stay in USA, his attitudes were suddenly flipped around to nearly the exact opposite. His own account of this is that he happened to read a provoking article about the economist Julian Simon and set out to check the facts. From that point onwards, his attitudes have been rather closely aligned with the attitudes of American right-wing anti-environmentalists or skeptics.

        This gives the flavor of this nonsense. Hidden agendas? Climate Change has hidden agendas? What a surprise.

        However it seems a person who is skeptical is now an anti environmentalist and right wing? Is it a crime to question what you are told, especially by writers like Al Gore and Tim Flannery who have no hard science qualifications?

        Besides, what does it matter. This is a democracy, I thought. Everyone does not have to agree with each other. Consensus should not be made compulsory. Lomborg has a right to speak, as has Al Gore. Neither are scientists.

        So why does anyone insist that Lomborg is silenced? What is he saying which is so offensive? Why must he not be allowed to speak?

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          gai

          Al Gore has been caught in plenty of ‘exaggeration’ to the point his film lost in the UKsurtco and the errors have to be pointed out if it is shown in schools. Yet he is lionized in Australian MSM as he makes his tour.

          Pot meet Kettle.

          The fact free speech has to be muzzled shows that there is something VERY VERY WRONG!

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          TdeF

          “right-wing anti-environmentalists” or “skeptics”

          This still rings. So if you question something, you are a skeptic. Fair enough. That is the definition. However this makes you a Right Wing “anti-environmentalist”.

          What exactly is an ‘anti-environmentalist‘? Why is having conservative views the same as being anti environmentalist? Why does asking questions mean your are right wing?

          You can conclude that the author believes

          1. You are not allowed question Global Warming. It is true. If you do question, you are right wing. You can conclude therefore that Left Wing people are not allowed to question anything.
          2. If you are Right Wing, you also hate the environment and will do anything to damage it, actively or passively. You are the problem.
          3. If you are Right Wing, you are not able to think for yourself, being presumably and automatically a slave to ‘right wing’ thinking, much as implicitly, Left Wing people are told what to think, what is Left Thinking.

          It does raise the question though, on the left side of politics, who decides what to think? At the bottom of this logic is a presumption that somewhere,deep on the left side of politics, there is a brain bug from Starship Troopers.

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            James Murphy

            That is doing Robert A. Heinlein and brain-bugs a great disservice, but I do share your views.

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            gai

            “….What exactly is an ‘anti-environmentalist‘? Why is having conservative views the same as being anti environmentalist?…..”
            …………….

            TdeF, turn that thought around and think what they are actually saying.

            Environmentalist = Fabian/Sociaist/Communist.

            Just like in the USA the Sociaist/Communists rebranded themselves ‘liberal’ to steal the good connotations of the Classic Liberal label and after they trashed that brand went on to brand themselves Progressives. They are now stepping away from that label and taking over the brand “Environmentalist” in the hopes of hiding their slimy selves.

            I now use the word Conservationist to distinguish myself from a Watermelon.

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          Besides, what does it matter. This is a democracy, I thought. Everyone does not have to agree with each other. Consensus should not be made compulsory.

          That’s not how the radicals think democracy works. For them, dissent is treachery and an abomination that must be quashed, discredited or at least shunned using whatever means that it takes.

          And while the radicals use the language of the soft-left (e.g. “consensus”) that word means something quite different to them: “Consensus” means that you will be made to agree.

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    el gordo

    ‘Academics at Flinders University have delivered a withering rejection of the university’s plan to host a Bjørn Lomborg-run research centre with $4m of federal government money, labeling the Dane “infamous” for his views on climate change.’

    Guardian

    ——

    They got that right, the man is ignorant of the looming global cooling disaster.

    It will do no harm to continue wheeling him around to different universities to be rejected, there is much sport to be had, but if they are serious a poor rural university would offer him a home.

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      Neville

      EG your claim of cooling is just a guess and Lomborg was one of the reasons I became a sceptic.
      I certainly now understand that mitigation is the greatest con and most costly fraud for the last one hundred years. Mostly thanks to Lomborg and others.
      Like Jo, David, Bolt, Lindzen, Spencer, Christy, Watts etc.

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        el gordo

        ‘your claim of cooling is just a guess’

        Ah… my global cooling meme is good to go, its a Gleissberg.

        I respect the lukewarmer viewpoint, they maybe right, CO2 might cause a little warming, but there is no stopping me now.

        Manfred’s terrific headline, ‘AGW sunk by a Gleissberg’ is perfectly apt.

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        Ray Derrick

        Neville – “your claim of cooling is just a guess”

        The idea of catastrophic warming (or even just continued warming) is also just a guess.

        However the global cooling prediction is supported by models that use actual observations of the activity of the Sun (in other words “empirical evidence”).

        Whereas the continued warming scenario is based on computer models that diverge so far from actual observations over the past 18 years as to be virtually meaningless.

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          TdeF

          What is doubly wrong about the computer models is that they never fitted the past! You have to fit the known facts first.

          So it is no surprise that 20 years on, the models did fit the future either. They only had to get one thing right and could not do that.

          What sort of scientist is comfortable with ‘models’ which always give the wrong answers and were never proven in the first place? No real scientist or one with a vested interest in the result. There is no warming. How do you get Climate Change without warming?

          It is odd how commentators go on about the last few years being the warmest and how terrible that is. However they are in dispute about which was the warmest, because they are all so close to identical in temperature. What that means is that nothing has changed for years, but this is presented as a disaster and proof of warming? In fact it proves there is no warming.

          So how and why is there Climate Change without warming? There is no logic at all.

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            TdeF

            So we have no warming. No Climate Change. No connection between CO2 and something which is not happening anyway.

            Still the Labor/Green parties want to cripple Australia with debt and overpriced electricity and thousands of windmills? Why?

            Lomborg is simply saying there are more pressing problems. What he is not saying is that the problem is pure fantasy, an invention of Green politicians.

            How can you deny something which is not true and never was? There was never any proof of CO2 driven Global Warming. Now after trillions, we have proof that it is not true.

            So why not let Lomborg have a voice? After all, the Federal Government does represent Australians. An overwhelming proportion of Australians voted against a Carbon tax. Flinders University is just that, a university. It is not a political institution owned and run by the staff or the students.
            The marginal South Australian government is spending nothing on this proposed centre and should stick to building more windmills and perhaps another useless desalination plant and crippling their economy, their major achievement.

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        gai

        “….EG your claim of cooling is just a guess…”

        It maybe a guess but it is a MUCH BETTER GUESS than CAGW (Hey, if Maxine can shout so can I.)

        There are several lines showing cooling, at least lang term is headed our way.

        #1. A History of Solar Activity over Millennia Usoskin et al.

        Shows by several lines of evidence that the earth is exiting a Grand Solar Maxima.
        Several scientists back this up including Jo’s Dr. Evans.

        Solar variability and climate change: Geomagnetic aa index and global surface temperature [ onlinelibrary.(dot)wiley.com/doi/10.1029/98GL00499/pdf ] E. W. Cliver, V. Boriakoff andJ. Feynman

        Russian Astrophysicist Habibullo I. Abdussamatov, Pulkovo Observatory of the Russian Academy of Science,in Applied Physics Research, Vol. 4, No. 1 February 2012 says in the Abstract: “‘We can expect the onset of a deep bicentennial minimum of total solar irradiance (TSI) in approximately 2042±11 and the 19th deep minimum of global temperature in the past 7500 years – in 2055±11.’” (wwwDOT)climatedepot.com/2012/02/01/new-study-russian-astrophysicist-from-russian-academy-of-science-predicts-global-cooling-from-2014-we-can-expect-start-of-deep-cooling-with-a-little-ice-age-in-2055/

        How ever the most compleling evidence is found in Quaternary Science when A Pliocene-Pleistocene stack of 57 globally distributed benthic D18O records blew away the MODELED Loutre and Berger, 2003. Lisiecki and Raymo produced an exhaustive analysis of 57 globally distributed deep ocean cores reaching back about 5 million years. The widely referenced LR05 stack in the literature since suggests that this is a landmark paper in paleoclimate science.

        Excerpts from the paper:

        Lisiecki & Raymo
        ABSTRACT
        We present a 5.3-Myr stack (the ‘‘LR04’’ stack) of benthic d18O records from 57 globally distributed sites aligned by an automated graphic correlation algorithm. This is the first benthic d18O stack composed of more than three records to extend beyond 850 ka,…

        RESULTS
        Recent research has focused on MIS 11 as a possible analog for the present interglacial…In the LR04 age model, the average LSR of 29 sites is the same from 398– 418 ka as from 250–650 ka; consequently, stage 11 is unlikely to be artificially stretched. However, the 21 June insolation minimum at 65°N during MIS 11 is only 489 W/m2, much less pronounced than the present minimum of 474 W/m2. In addition, current insolation values are not predicted to return to the high values of late MIS 11 for another 65 kyr. We propose that this effectively precludes a ‘‘double precession cycle’’ interglacial [e.g., Raymo, 1997] in the Holocene without human influence….

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      Cooling? Oh dear. There is no Little Ice Age coming, solar radiation variation has very little effect on global temperatures. Oh, the last Little Ice Age owed more to volcanic eruptions than anything else.

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        Graeme No.3

        Who turned the volcanos on and off?

        I think you should do a bit more reading about the subject. Yes, volcanos have a cooling effect but do check the timing.

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          Nobody turns volcanoes on or off LOL!

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            Just-A-Guy

            Maxine,

            Exactly! Volcanic eruptions are fairly evenly distributed throughout the past, both during times of warming and times of cooling.

            Hint: I believe Graeme No.3 was just using a bit of sarcasm.

            Abe

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            gai

            “Nobody turns volcanoes on or off LOL!” — Maxine
            ….

            It doesn’t matter Maxine, even though there is some data showing solar minimums correlate with increased earthquakes and volcanoes.
            The length of a grand solar minimum (several decades) not to mention Milankovitch cycles pretty much guarantees major volcanism will be around to make our lives even more miserable.

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        Just-A-Guy

        Maxine,

        You wrote:

        Oh, the last Little Ice Age owed more to volcanic eruptions than anything else.

        I would be very interested in reviewing the evidence to support this claim.

        Abe

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          Google is your friend. But what if your research shows that it was volcanoes caused the LIA not a bit less radiation from the sun then you might have to conclude that AGW is happening now.

          Saltram winery is spending big buck ripping out vines and planting heat tolerant varieties because the Barossa Valley floor is too hot for the existing varieties.

          What you believe about AGW is wrong.

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            toorightmate

            Another bit of the science is settled.

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            tom0mason

            Maxine,
            So you have no argument, no knowledge, no citations, no science. Just refering to google does not cut it Maxine, it shows you are just arguing from ignorance, or from a warmist script that TROLLS usually employ.

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              gai

              So lets use google and take a look.

              How about Encyclopædia Britannica? It is a well respected source.

              Little Ice Age (LIA), climate interval that occurred from the early 14th century through the mid-19th century, when mountain glaciers expanded at several locations, including the European Alps, New Zealand, Alaska, and the southern Andes, and mean annual temperatures across the Northern Hemisphere declined by 0.6 °C (1.1 °F) relative to the average temperature between 1000 and 2000 ce. The term Little Ice Age was introduced to the scientific literature by Dutch-born American geologist F.E. Matthes in 1939….
              (wwwDOT)britannica.com/science/Little-Ice-Age

              WOW!!! That must have been some volcano! It managed to cool the earth for CENTURIES!!!

              Things get even more interesting if you take a look at what happened in the 19th century (1800s) In looking at ice cores the data shows it went from Little Ice Age cold to Modern Warming warm in the ten years between 1845 and 1855. — NATURALLY

              ABSTRACT
              An ice core removed from the Upper Fremont Glacier in Wyoming provides evidence for abrupt climate change during the mid-1800s….

              At a depth of 152 m the refined age-depth profile shows good agreement (1736±10 A.D.) with the 14C age date (1729±95 A.D.). The δ18O profile of the Upper Fremont Glacier (UFG) ice core indicates a change in climate known as the Little Ice Age (LIA)….

              At this depth, the age-depth profile predicts an age of 1845 A.D. Results indicate the termination of the LIA was abrupt with a major climatic shift to warmer temperatures around 1845 A.D. and continuing to present day. Prediction limits (error bars) calculated for the profile ages are ±10 years (90% confidence level). Thus a conservative estimate for the time taken to complete the LIA climatic shift to present-day climate is about 10 years, suggesting the LIA termination in alpine regions of central North America may have occurred on a relatively short (decadal) timescale.
              http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/1999JD901095/full

              And in further news from Royal Astronomical Society (RAS):

              “Solar activity predicted to fall 60% in 2030s, to ‘mini ice age’ levels: Sun driven by double dynamo.” ScienceDaily. ScienceDaily, 9 July 2015.

              http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/07/150709092955.htm.

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            gai

            “Saltram winery is spending big buck ripping out vines and planting heat tolerant varieties because the Barossa Valley floor is too hot for the existing varieties.”

            You forgot to mention they are still picking grapes from vines that are over a century old.

            Saltram The Journal Centenarian Shiraz 2009

            Planting his first vines in the Barossa in 1859, William Salter meticulously kept a journal to record his entire vineyard and winemaking activities, including techniques that are still used to make Saltram today. The Journal Shiraz is a tribute to Salter’s attention to detail and his quest to make the best Shiraz under the Saltram name. This important link between the past and the present still exists with The Journal available for viewing at the Saltram Cellar Door.

            Saltram the Journal Centenarian Shiraz 2009 was sourced from a single vineyard situated within the Mt McKenzie area of Eden Valley. The vineyard was planted in 1901 and sits at an elevation of 472 metres above sea level. This wine is classified as a Centenarian under the Barossa Old Vine charter due to the vine age exceeding 100 years. Handpicked from very low yielding vines the wine has very fine, unwavering tannins which provide a line to shoulder the lingering rich fruit reminiscent of dark plums, fresh cherries and cedar. This is a wine with great length and persistence, which with careful cellaring will endure for many years. A single vineyard wine sourced from a vineyard planted over a century ago, this wine is a precious tribute to the rich Barossa Shiraz history.

            Awarded 95 Points by James Halliday – Australian Wine Companion 2014 Edition
            http://www.saltramwines.com.au/html/wine.aspx?WID=504

            Funny I could not find anything about the replacement vines. Of course farmers replace old varieties with new all the time. I want to get rid of Kentucky 31 and replace it with MAX-Q but it has nothing to do with it’s temperature tolerance.

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        gai

        “…There is no Little Ice Age coming, solar radiation variation has very little effect on global temperatures….”

        It is not the TOTAL solar radiation variation that is the question so you are incorrect on two fronts.

        First is the axial precession (22,000 year wobble) axial tilt and the orbital eccentricity aka Milankovitch cycles.

        Even Joe Romm at Climate Progress stated in 2010:

        3. The temperature trend in the past millennium prior to about 1850 is well explained in the scientific literature as primarily due to changes in the solar forcing along with the effect of volcanoes, whereas the recent rise in temperature has been driven primarily — if not almost entirely — by human activity (see Scientist: “Our conclusions were misinterpreted” by Inhofe, CO2 — but not the sun — “is significantly correlated” with temperature since 1850 and Part 3 [to come]

        4. Absent human emissions, we’d probably be in a slow long-term cooling trend due primarily by changes in the Earth’s orbit — see Human-caused Arctic warming overtakes 2,000 years of natural cooling, “seminal” study finds.

        However that ‘Human-caused Arctic warming’ is now reversing as the sun comes out of the Grand Solar Maximum not to mention the record high Antarctic sea ice that is 5 times more effective than Arctic sea ice in reflecting the sun and cooling the earth because it is closer to the equator.

        Joe Romm is subscribing to Ruddiman’s “Early Anthropogenic Hypothesis” If that hypothesis is correct, the ONLY thing keeping us out of the next ice age is human land use and Carbon Dioxide. By calculations onset of the Little Ice Age was right when the Holocene reached about half a precession cycle old. This does not mean anything since the last interglacial period, the Eemian, tells us there were two thermal pulses (the Medieval Warm Period and Modern Warm Period) before the big drop. We are now exiting the Modern warm period.

        “The onset of the LEAP occurred within less than two decades, demonstrating the existence of a sharp threshold, which must be near 416 Wm2, which is the 65oN July insolation for 118 kyr BP (ref. 9). This value is only slightly below today’s value of 428 Wm2. Insolation will remain at this level slightly above the inception for the next 4,000 years before it then increases again.” http://folk.uib.no/abo007/share/papers/eemian_and_lgi/sirocko_seelos05.nat.pdf

        However staying ‘slightly above the inception’ level for glaciation is refuted by the other paper that is based on A Pliocene-Pleistocene stack of 57 globally distributed benthic D18O records by Lisiecki & Raymo

        BEST CASE:
        CO2 and human land use keeps the earth out of glaciation.

        WORST CASE:
        Glaciation

        Those are the choices and because of WHEN the earth is in the Milankovitch cycle run away global warming is not in the cards for thousands of years.

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          gai

          To back up what I said with numbers:

          Milancovitch determined that because of the amount of land, the solar insolation values @ 65° N in June was the critical factor. This is what is used in the fall of 2012 Can we predict the duration of an interglacial? The paper gives the calculated solar insolation values @ 65° N on June 22 for several glacial inceptions:

          Current value – insolation = 479W m−2 (from that paper)

          MIS 7e – insolation = 463 W m−2,
          MIS 11c – insolation = 466 W m−2,
          MIS 13a – insolation = 500 W m−2,
          MIS 15a – insolation = 480 W m−2,
          MIS 17 – insolation = 477 W m−2

          So from those calculations the earth is in the correct ball park for glaciation but something else (volcanoes, lunar north/south tides?) kicks it over the edge.

          NOAA has values for 60° N (not 65° N) in June that is interesting to look at.

          For reference the Holocene began (abruptly within three years — Dr. Richard B. Alley) 11,700 years ago. And the Younger Dryas Cold Event was 12,900 –11,600 years before present.
          The 60° N solar insolation for NOW (modern Warm Period) is 476 Wm-2

          Depth of the last ice age (lowest insolation) – around 464 Wm−2

          It is interesting to note that the solar insolation had to be near peak to kick the earth out of the Wisconsin ice age.
          11,000 years ago…………… 523.16 Wm-2 peak insolation
          Wisconsin ice age===> Holocene transition
          12,000 years ago…………… 522.50 Wm-2

          To me that suggest that once the earth goes solidly over the ‘tipping point’ in to glaciation for whatever reason, there is no going back until the solar insolation reaches near peak thousands of years later. Also the earth is now a heck of a lot closer to the solar insolation of the depths of the Wisconsin ice age than it is to the Holocene Optimum.

          Given these solar insolation values why ever would anyone in their right mind want to strip off the CO2 security blanket that according to the Quaternary scientists is all that is keeping the earth out of glaciation?

          If the warmist are wrong and managed to kick the earth into glaciation there is no going back as these numbers show. If it warms and the sea levels rise we are still ahead of the game as large parts of Canada and Russia become grain growing areas.

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        gai

        “…There is no Little Ice Age coming, solar radiation variation has very little effect on global temperatures….” — Maxine

        It is not the TOTAL solar radiation variation that is the question so you are incorrect on two fronts.
        ……………

        The second problem with your statement is conflating Total Solar Insolation (TSI) with the changes in the distribution of wavelengths varying from extreme ultraviolet to infrared. Nasa even comes right out and says:

        UV Exposure Has Increased Over the Last 30 Years, but Stabilized Since the Mid-1990s

        NASA scientists analyzing 30 years of satellite data have found that the amount of ultraviolet (UV) radiation reaching Earth’s surface has increased markedly over the last three decades. Most of the increase has occurred in the mid-and-high latitudes…
        (wwwDOT)nasa.gov/topics/solarsystem/features/uv-exposure.html

        This statement from NASA aligns with A History of Solar Activity over Millennia statement that the sun is leaving a Grand Solar Maximum.

        Remember that UV is very chemically active in the atmosphere creating and destroying O2, ozone, and NOx

        This also has a lot to do with the shifts in the jet streams and the incursions of the ‘polar vortex’ the last few winters.

        Again from NASA:

        …The increase of incident solar UV during solar maximum conditions leads to increased generation of stratospheric ozone in the mid-to-upper stratosphere, which ultimately results in greater ozone in the tropical lower stratosphere. This helps warm that region via both short- and long-wave absorption. In response to this more stable vertical profile for tropical tropospheric processes, tropical convection preferentially shifts off the equator, favoring monsoonal effects during Northern Hemisphere summer and on the annual average….

        (wwwDOT)giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/rind_03/

        (If you want you can follow the thread on the jet stream shifts towards and away from the equator, zonal and meridional flow and blocking highs. Given the known shape of the Wisconsin ice age glaciers, ice ages have meridional jet streams like we are seeing now.)

        This paper, Climate sensitivity to the lower stratospheric ozone variations, goes further.

        ABSTRACT
        Abstract

        The strong sensitivity of the Earth’s radiation balance to variations in the lower stratospheric ozone—reported previously—is analysed here by the use of non-linear statistical methods. Our non-linear model of the land air temperature (T)—driven by the measured Arosa total ozone (TOZ)—explains 75% of total variability of Earth’s T variations during the period 1926–2011. We have analysed also the factors which could influence the TOZ variability and found that the strongest impact belongs to the multi-decadal variations of galactic cosmic rays. Constructing a statistical model of the ozone variability, we have been able to predict the tendency in the land air T evolution till the end of the current decade. Results show that Earth is facing a weak cooling of the surface T by 0.05–0.25 K (depending on the ozone model) until the end of the current solar cycle. A new mechanism for O3 influence on climate is proposed.

        ……….

        One of the points that is often missed is the relative strength of different wavelengths of light. A ‘photon’ of EUV is orders of magnitude stronger than a ‘photon’ of IR.

        From the Hubble site.

        What is the relationship between wavelength, frequency and energy?

        The greater the energy, the larger the frequency and the shorter (smaller) the wavelength. Given the relationship between wavelength and frequency — the higher the frequency, the shorter the wavelength — it follows that short wavelengths are more energetic than long wavelengths.
        hubblesite(DOT)org/reference_desk/faq/answer.php.id=73&cat=light

        This is critical because changes in the shorter the wavelengths are going to be changes in the more energetic wavelengths.
        WIKI [enDOTwikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_radiation] gives a good bit of information including this chart:
        https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/eb/Light_spectrum.svg/324px-Light_spectrum.svg.png

        Of interest is solar:
        Extreme Ultraviolet … 124 ev
        near Ultraviolet ……….. 12 . 4 ev
        near Infrared ……………..1 . 24 ev

        Note you are dropping an order of magnitude in energy and the energy gets a lot weaker from there.

        Now that that information is clear we can look at what NASA found.

        TSI — 0.1% change
        MUV (200-300 nm) — 1% change and affects atmosphere at 15-50 km
        FUV (126-200 nm)— 30% change and affects atmosphere at 30-120 km
        EUV (0-125 nm)—100% change and affects atmosphere at 80-250 km

        This change in EUV may be a ‘tiny’ part of the whole spectrum but it was enough to deflate the atmosphere.

        A 50-year low in solar wind pressure: Measurements by the Ulysses spacecraft reveal a 20% drop in solar wind pressure since the mid-1990s—the lowest point since such measurements began in the 1960s. The solar wind helps keep galactic cosmic rays out of the inner solar system. With the solar wind flagging, more cosmic rays are permitted to enter, resulting in increased health hazards for astronauts. Weaker solar wind also means fewer geomagnetic storms and auroras on Earth.

        A 12-year low in solar “irradiance”: Careful measurements by several NASA spacecraft show that the sun’s brightness has dropped by 0.02% at visible wavelengths and 6% at extreme UV wavelengths since the solar minimum of 1996…..there are some other significant side-effects: Earth’s upper atmosphere is heated less by the sun and it is therefore less “puffed up.”….
        http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2009/01apr_deepsolarminimum/

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          tom0mason

          gai, well argued. Thanks for the scientific information, for the citations, and the links to the papers. These things are a worthwhile counter to Maxine ignorant opinion.
          Also gai, you are unlikely to recieve a cogent reply as opinionated TROLLs never counter with logical argument, they’re about being emotional.
          Trolls are much less likely to argue with quotes from others, or citations, as this would diminish their hightened egotistical feelings of elevated self-worth by admitting that their opinion is not the be-all and end-all on the subject.

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            gai

            Tom,
            My comments are aimed at the fence sitters. We will never convince the Useful Innocents but they are actually a very small (but vocal) minority.

            I also like to give others the ammo to use for decent rebuttals to the Useful Innocents statements.

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        tom0mason

        Maxine say “There is no Little Ice Age coming, solar radiation variation has very little effect on global temperatures.”

        But offers no citation, no quote, no science for that assertion. Just the usual vague conjecture lifted straight from the warmist echo-chamber.
        Maxine offfers no argument, just Maxine’s unquestionable opinion.
        Seems to be remarkably similar to the usual lazy technique used by TROLLS when displaying their magnificence of ignorance.

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    Neville

    But in the real world we have the EIA projections to 2040.
    Human emissions of co2 will increase by about 12 billion tonnes by 2040 and over 90% of that increase will come from the non OECD. (China, India etc) See page 21 at this link. And remember to add the two non OECD countries grouping to get the total.

    http://www.eia.gov/pressroom/presentations/sieminski_07252013.pdf

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      tom0mason

      Neville, in the real world, and during that same period nature may well output 388 billion tons of CO2.
      (IPCC value of 97% of atmosphere CO2 not from human activities)

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      el gordo

      Neville it will all amount to nothing because CO2 doesn’t cause warming, apparently.

      The good news is that they have discovered huge carbon sinks, under deserts around the world, which is useful knowledge as we are at Holocene’s end.

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    Ruairi

    The warmists would filter and screen,
    Those appointees of whom they’re not keen,
    To prevent opposition,
    To their climate position,
    Thus ensuring such posts are kept Green.

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      Another Ian

      Ruairi

      As a long time appreciater of the limerick I hope you’re heading for a book or an online collection of these.

      Might rival “The Lure of the Limerick” but cleaner so there’s a problem!

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      Ted O'Brien.

      Ruari, so well said.

      May I take this opportunity to remind everybody that in 1986 the Hawke government appointed new management to the CSIRO, with Neville Wran, national president of the Australian Labor Party as chairman.

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    el gordo

    ‘The Weatherill Government is more worried about its reputation among warming activists than among academics and all who treasure free inquiry. For that it’s prepared to turn Flinders University into a green church, with heretics driven out.

    ‘Are any academics at Flinders now safe to question the global warming orthodoxy or will they, too, be banned?’

    Andrew Bolt

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    Gary in Erko

    This strange social phenomenon will be studied in the future, similar to studies about the witch hunting cults of the past. I wonder if any organisation is collecting websites, journals, research papers, petitions, etc for an Archive of Climate Nonsense. Our grandchildren will probably wish to know whether their ancestors were gulled by the fashionable sillyness.

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      gai

      Skeptic websites need to be printed on archival non acid paper for permanent storage and then stuffed into a time capsule.

      I wish I had the money to create that time capsule since the ‘Winners’ have a tendency to rewrite history. All you have to do is look at the 1970s Ice Age Scare to see the rewriting is already taking place.

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    Robber

    Why are SA electricity prices higher than any other state? Because they have the most wind turbines and solar subsidies. No wonder no industry wants to invest in SA. The other states should switch off the interstate power supply connections and let them exist on solar and wind. They can turn off all the lights at night and when the wind doesn’t blow.
    Perhaps they are concerned that independent economic analysis would show the stupidity of their decisions to shutdown power stations.

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      Wind is cheaper than coal. Apart from that—good effort, Mummy must be proud!

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        Just-A-Guy

        Maxine,

        Not a chance. You are invited to review the following link for some of the facts on cost in terms of money and to the environment.

        Can you make wind turbines without fossil fuels.

        Abe

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        Just-A-Guy

        Maxine,

        And this comment by ROM and the link there will add some spice to the recipe.

        Abe

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        Just-A-Guy

        Maxine,

        This comment by TonyfromOz adds the secret igredient. Actual power generation. On a per watt basis, wind is so expensive, we’re probably better off trying to heat our homes using the ‘hot air’ produced by the pronouncements made by promoters of so called ‘renewable’ energy.

        Abe

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          Just-A-Guy

          Maxine,

          PS: You may be interested in reading the conversation that ensues between TonyfromOz and Robber right after the comment in that last link. You’d be trully amazed at all the hidden costs incurred by wind-powered energy plants.

          Abe

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            Two deluded people arguing? Will leave them to it. Wind is now cheaper than coal, it is cleaner than coal and doesn’t cause the health problems coal does. And coal soaks up $Bns in subsidies too!

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              toorightmate

              Maxine,
              Are you the president of Flinders Uni student union?

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              tom0mason

              Maxine,
              So no argument. Just an ad hom., about people being deluded.
              I note that you, like so many other warmist that come here, offer little in the way of citation or links, this ensures that you appear to be just repeating the warmist echo-chamber standard fare, rather than thinking logically about what you espouse.
              This is the action of a troll, and not someone willing to argue their case in a debate.

              That is all — good bye.

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              James Murphy

              Maxine,
              Would you agree, or disagree with the statement that lower prices for wind-power may be related to the higher frequency of ‘negative’ pricing (when the producer has to pay, rather than be paid), because maximum wind power generation often coincides with periods of lowest demand, and that when high prices are available, wind power cannot ramp-up to make more money from the higher prices?

              Have a look at the AEMO 2014 South Australian Wind Study Report.

              Market prices are not typically set by wind generators due to:
              – Low marginal cost, and revenue from participation in the mandatory renewable energy target scheme, which results in most wind generation being bid near or below $0.
              – Average wind generation being higher overnight when demand is low, corresponding to periods when low bids are received for thermal generation to remain scheduled on.
              – Wind generators being dependent on the availability of wind, which precludes them responding to high market prices.

              it also says:
              “…On an hourly basis throughout the day, wind generation continues to be relatively consistent, with slightly higher overnight generation. Given typical daily consumption profiles are lowest overnight, average wind penetration levels usually peak between 3.00 am and 5.00 am…”

              Maxine, please feel free to comment after you’ve taken the time to look through the reports at the link above. Perhaps I have it all wrong?

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        Konrad

        Wind cheaper than coal? Never heard of EROEI? (energy return on energy invested)

        A nation dependant on wind power can no longer afford to manufacture wind turbines.

        Besides, you look like lunch.

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        Just-A-Guy

        Maxine,

        I hope you’ve enjoyed my ‘Food-For-Thought’ recipe.

        Here’s desert.

        Google engineers give up on renewables.

        Bon apetit! ;)

        Abe

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        tom0mason

        Maxine
        “Wind is cheaper than coal. Apart from that—good effort, Mummy must be proud!

        Bill Gates and Google both have done extensive studies on the matter,… and conclude you are a troll.

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        gai

        Maxine how about SHOWING with actual data plus links that Wind is cheaper than coal? All you do is toss out statements with zero evidence to back it.

        Oh, and Maxine I have a great investment for you and your friends.

        The Bridge has 138,000 vehicles per day @ a toll of $5.00. This should bring in $690,000 a day or $250,000,000 a year. I will willingly sell this bridge to you for $500,000. It is called the Tappan Zee Bridge.

        So how about it? You need to move fast on this GREAT deal.

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    Ted O'Brien.

    ‘this centre here at Flinders would certainly damage our image’.

    By discovering the truth!

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    pat

    the Lomborg hysteria is frightening.

    and the CAGW insanity never ends.

    on Fran’s ABC Breakfast today, continuing support for Labor’s renewables policy.

    this time, an interview with a Simon Bradshaw who describes himself on his own website as “I am a Climate Leader with The Climate Reality Project (Al Gore’s climate change leadership program)” about the coveniently-timed just-released Oxfam Report he has written (basically a cut-and-paste of every MSM-CAGW-supporting article to suit his claims, incl much about India moving away from coal):

    28 July: Oxfam Australia: Powering up against poverty: Why renewable energy is the future
    From India’s plans to install a whopping 100GW of solar energy by 2022 (that’s more than twenty times Australia’s current capacity) …
    Captured by an ailing coal industry and urged on by conservative commentators, our government has delivered a series of bizarre and misleading pronouncements about the future of coal.
    Frustrated? So are we! Which is why we’ve decided to set the record straight…
    In our new report, Powering up Against Poverty, we comprehensively debunk the Prime Minister’s now-infamous statement that “coal is good for humanity”. In this report we explore the devastating impacts of coal on communities and reveal how, contrary to industry claims, coal can do little to bring electricity to those still living without it, the majority of whom live in rural areas and beyond the reach of the conventional energy grid…
    DOWNLOAD 36-PAGE REPORT WHICH INCLUDES ON P12:
    While India will continue to rely on coal in so small part in the short term, it is clear that developing renewable
    energy has become its priority…
    https://www.oxfam.org.au/2015/07/powering-up-against-poverty-why-renewable-energy-is-the-future/

    Fran lets Bradshaw get away with only mentioning how India’s imports of coal MIGHT decrease, as proof of his claims.

    not mentioned:

    20 July: Hindustan Times: PTI: Increased coal poduction helps meet PM’s power promise
    It is only now, says Anil Swarup, that he fully understands what Prime Minister Narendra Modi told him when he first took charge as coal secretary. “Fix coal, fix the economy,” Modi had said…
    Not surprisingly, India, which produces 60% of its electricity from coal, lost 0.4% of its gross domestic product due to power shortages, according to Ficci. Last year, Modi became Prime Minister with a promise of 24×7 electricity to all.
    The transformation has been made possible by an unprecedented surge in Coal India’s output. The state-owned miner produced 494 million tonnes in 2014-15, an increase of 32 million tonnes over the previous year…
    The target for this financial year is 550 million tonnes.
    The government targets producing 1.5 billion tonnes of coal by 2019-20, the anticipated demand at that time, assuming 8 to 9% growth in the GDP. Of that, 1 billion tonnes is to come from Coal India…
    http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/ht-special-increased-coal-production-helps-meet-pm-s-power-promise/article1-1371448.aspx

    Bradshaw also brings up how Australia must contribute to the $100 billion fund to help developing countries fight CAGW, but he doesn’t mention this is $100 billion ANNUALLY, & Fran doesn’t tell her listeners either or clarify that the $100 billion is US dollars. guess they were worried even ABC’s audience might balk at such a commitment!

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    pat

    one reason i think the Oxfam report was cobbled together for Gore’s visit. here’s Simon in January with the same headline:

    23 January 2015: Oxfam Australia: Powering up against poverty: coal fired power is not the solution
    By Simon Bradshaw, Climate Change Advocacy Coordinator, and Ula Majewski, GROW Campaign Lead.
    So when we hear the Prime Minister declaring that “coal is good for humanity”, we need to set the record straight. Coal is not a solution to poverty…
    In short, climate change is making it harder for people to grow and buy enough food to eat. And it’s the poorest communities – those with the least responsibility for carbon pollution – who are bearing the brunt…
    Not surprisingly, many developing countries are setting ambitious targets for renewable energy. In late 2014 India announced a goal to increase its solar capacity to 100GW by 2022…
    Australia must support developing countries in building the sustainable, low-carbon economies of the future…
    Clean renewables are the only smart solution for energy production in our warming world, and they require the appropriate investment…
    Developed countries are obliged to help meet these costs on account of our historical responsibility for carbon pollution and our relative wealth. Australia’s first responsibility is to phase out coal from our own energy supply and shift to a smart renewable-energy economy. But we must also do our part to support developing countries with their own renewable energy plans…
    https://www.oxfam.org.au/2015/01/powering-up-against-poverty-coal-fired-power-is-not-the-solution/

    naturally the “new” report is getting around:

    29 July: 9News: AAP: Coal not good for reducing poverty: report
    Renewable energy is an easier, quicker and cheaper method than burning coal to help lift people out of poverty through access to power, a new report says.
    In the report intended to challenge the mining industry’s “spin” about coal and poverty, Oxfam Australia says coal is ill-suited as a power source for most people living without electricity.
    More than one billion people around the world don’t have power and 84 per cent of those live in rural areas, the Powering Up Against Poverty report says.
    It says the cost of extending electricity grids to those rural areas offsets any economic incentive of coal power, making renewable energy a cheaper option.
    It’s also quicker to install local solar panels than build coal plants.
    “There are many examples of how local renewable energy is improving energy access, providing jobs and bringing new prosperity and providing the foundations for development,” report author Simon Bradshaw told AAP.
    Dr Bradshaw, who is Oxfam Australia’s climate change policy adviser, says India’s ambitious solar energy commitment is driven as much by making power more accessible as it is by avoiding emissions.
    Prime Minister Tony Abbott last year declared coal “good for humanity” while opening a mine in central Queensland.
    He believes coal will be the world’s main energy source for decades to come.
    The Oxfam report, which is critical of the prime minister’s stance on coal, says: “(The industry) has found a loyal champion in the Australian government.”
    In addition to the negative consequences of extreme weather events because of global warming, it says, coal mines kill hundreds of thousands of people as a result of air pollution, and displace poor communities.
    http://www.9news.com.au/national/2015/07/29/00/09/coal-not-good-for-reducing-poverty-report

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    pat

    a few of Simon Bradshaw’s little Oxfam helpers, acknowledged in the Report:

    LinkedIn: Kelly Dent, Economic Justice Policy and Avocacy Lead, Facilitator and Activist
    Lead, Economic Justice, Oxfam Australia November 2004 – Present
    The Australian National University, Masters in Climate Change 2013-2015

    LinkedIn: Jo Pride, Head of Policy and Advocacy at Oxfam Australia
    Adviser, Senator Natasha Stott Despoja 2001-2006

    LinkedIn: Laurelle Keough, Media Coordinator – Advocacy & Campaigns at Oxfam Australia
    TV Publicist, ABC TV January 2003 – August 2005
    Education: The University of Queensland, Bachelor of Arts, Print Journalism and Communication and Cultural Studies

    LinkedIn: Ula Majewski, GROW Campaign Lead at Oxfam Australia
    Environmental and social justice campaigner with extensive experience in communications, project management, research, community development and public advocacy…
    University of Tasmania: Master’s degree, Environmental Management

    LinkedIn: Tom Hartney, Tom Hartney, Digital Communications Coordinator at Oxfam Australia
    Communications Officer, Environment Victoria July 2012 – September 2014

    has Oxfam Australia been hijacked by CAGW activists?

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      Just-A-Guy

      pat,

      Thanks pat. These little background checks on the people behind the sceenes are of great assistance in exposing the desperation of the CAGW ™ promoters in their quest to gain adherents. If the science was really ‘settled’ and the case was so overwhelmingly clear, they wouldn’t need all of these activists, communications experts, organizers, and publicists to spread the word. The scientific evidence would present it’s own case and there’d be no need to push it down the throats of the public.

      Abe

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    Chris F

    These people are rapidly approaching the dangerous stage. it’s going to get much worse as their personal-belief world falls apart and they look towards us sane people to take it out on.

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      OriginalSteve

      Agreed….and what we have seen is that they dont want to back away quietly ( which would be the honourable thing to do… ) so expect the lunacy to crank up another notch and punative attacks on sceptics to follow.

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        Konrad

        Steve,star comment

        I think some of the propagandists have thought about backing away, but are now facing the horrible reality that they can’t. The Internet has changed everything. In the era where the lame scream meeja were the gatekeepers of opinion and record, they got to tell people what opinions they were allowed to have. They also got to conveniently “forget” the past statements and positions of their political friends and themselves.

        In the age of the Internet, citizens are the new gatekeepers of opinion and record. And that record is instantly accessible and permanent. The SS Global Warming has run into the iceberg of truth and is going down with all rodents. Sceptics have smashed every lifeboat and the Internet has welded the hatches shut. The problem for the professional left is they all bought tickets on the same cruise.

        In old meeja and on the blogs you can smell the panic. The desperate attempts to re-brand, re-frame and re-position their “narrative”. Now it’s all about “dirty coal”, “air pollution”, “sustainability”, “renewables” and blah, blah, blah. But those inane claims that adding radiative gases to our radiatively cooled atmosphere would reduce its ability to cool the solar heated surface of our planet just can’t be buried. The record of who vilified sceptics as “holocaust deniers”, “anti science”, “flatearthers” and “hitler appeasers” is also refusing to fade.

        The collapse of the hoax is going to get very ugly as the panicked rodents fight for survival. Looking to the past gives a poor idea of what awaits. Lysenkoism collapsed under the cover of as state controlled media. This time no media get to control the “narrative” and no government gets to hide the truth.

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            Awww gee, having trouble keeping up?

            The majority of Australians are now sceptic and the number keeps growing. The supposedly unelectable Tony Abbott got elected not despite calling your religion “crap”, but because of it.

            The warmulonians have now reached the “teenage girl vs parents argument” stage. She knows she’s wrong, but if she just screams loud enough and threatens to create an ugly scene, the parents might back down to avoid the stress and drama. Not this time. This assault on science, reason, freedom and democracy is too foul to ever be forgiven.

            Right now the majority of the public think AGW is negligible. Imagine what is going to happen when they find out that global warming due to CO2 emissions is a physical impossibility. Imagine when they find out than many prominent climastrologists knew for years. There is no way you can stop them finding out ;-)

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      Leonard Lane

      Chris F. The change may indeed be difficult and perhaps bloody. For the 8 or more decades Marxists ruled the Soviet Union, any disagreement was met with banishing to the gulag, locking up in an insane asylum, and murders of tens of millions.
      Strange that these same solutions are sometimes offered by the Marxist CAGW extremists today. I believe the only thing stopping them from these tactics is that under our present governments in the West they do not have the power.

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        gai

        It was not just the Soviets. The last century was very bloody indeed with governments murdering their own people and we should never forget that it could easily happen again only this time world wide.

        DEMOCIDE: Death by Government

        II 128,168,000 VICTIMS: THE DEKA-MEGAMURDERERS
        4. 61,911,000 Murdered: The Soviet Gulag State
        5. 35,236,000 Murdered: The Communist Chinese Ant Hill
        6. 20,946,000 Murdered: The Nazi Genocide State
        7. 10,214,000 Murdered: The Depraved Nationalist Regime

        III 19,178,000 VICTIMS: THE LESSER MEGA-MURDERERS
        8. 5,964,000 Murdered: Japan’s Savage Military
        9. 2,035,000 Murdered: The Khmer Rouge Hell State
        10. 1,883,000 Murdered: Turkey’s Genocidal Purges
        11. 1,670,000 Murdered: The Vietnamese War State
        12. 1,585,000 Murdered: Poland’s Ethnic Cleansing
        13. 1,503,000 Murdered: The Pakistani Cutthroat State
        14. 1,072,000 Murdered: Tito’s Slaughterhouse

        IV 4,145,000 VICTIMS: SUSPECTED MEGAMURDERERS
        15. 1,663,000 Murdered? Orwellian North Korea
        16. 1,417,000 Murdered? Barbarous Mexico
        17. 1,066,000 Murdered? Feudal Russia

        ….Just to give perspective on this incredible murder by government, if all these bodies were laid head to toe, with the average height being 5′, then they would circle the earth ten times. Also, this democide murdered 6 times more people than died in combat in all the foreign and internal wars of the century. Finally, given popular estimates of the dead in a major nuclear war, this total democide is as though such a war did occur, but with its dead spread over a century….

        After eight-years and almost daily reading and recording of men, women, and children by the tens of millions being tortured or beaten to death, hung, shot, and buried alive, burned or starved to death, stabbed or chopped into pieces, and murdered in all the other ways creative and imaginative human beings can devise, I have never been so happy to conclude a project. I have not found it easy to read time and time again about the horrors innocent people have been forced to suffer. What has kept me at this was the belief, as preliminary research seemed to suggest, that there was a positive solution to all this killing and a clear course of political action and policy to end it. And the results verify this. The problem is Power. The solution is democracy. The course of action is to foster freedom. – R.J. Rummel

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    A C

    SA is heavily invested in Wind Power – Lomborg represents a huge threat to the status quo
    I wonder what this means for the Nuclear Royal Commission SA is having. I would have thought Lomborg would have been a strong ally for the Government there.

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    toorightmate

    South Australia, the state with the largest Premier’s Department just keeps on keeping on.
    No worries.
    Just send more GST.

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    How easily it could collapse.

    Is this rhetoric or a serious statement? If it is easy “it” likely will or should it have already?

    Is it easier now? If it was easy in the past why has it resisted collapsing?

    I’d put “its” resistance to collapse down to the fact that there is either not much of an “it” to collapse and that predictions based on isolated and small (indeed in this case miniscule) examples weak parts of the whole fabric of “it” are unreliable. I realise I am saying that it is both non-existant and a fabric but really, “it” needs definition. Still, no definition puts you in a good position to post-hoc claim to have shown that you predicted “its” collapse once something collapses just by saying that the thing that collapsed is “it”.

    I hope I made myself clear.

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      Rereke Whakaaro

      Gee Aye,

      You might have made yourself a little clearer, had you replied directly to the comment that introduced the “it’, you are referring to.

      As it is, I have no idea what you are going on about. No offence intended.

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        OK… it is the first 5 words under the title. Since I did not reply to anyone, as I intended, I’m responding to the article. Therefore I responded directly to the article but not to any comment. Isn’t that how these things usually work?

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        Rereke Whakaaro

        Well, that makes sense. It never occurred to me that your it was that it and not some other it.

        But thank you for responding, I shall have to determine which it is the it in the future.

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      Just-A-Guy

      Gee Aye,

      I’m not afraid to put myself ‘in the crosshairs’ so here goes.

      The first thought that came to mind when I began reading this article was, “What ‘it’?”

      Is ‘it’ the SA government? Is ‘it’ the Universities’ support of ‘leftie’ group-think? Or maybe ‘it’ is CAGW ™ in general? Maybe ‘it’ is a combination of some or all three or even something else!?

      Don’t know. :(

      It’s very rare that Jo will make that kind of ambiguous statement but it seems we all make them at one time or another. Only human, we are.

      Abe

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    gai

    “…Bradshaw also brings up how Australia must contribute to the $100 billion fund to help developing countries fight CAGW, but he doesn’t mention this is $100 billion ANNUALLY…”

    EGADS!

    If my math isn’t fluky that is $4323 for every man, woman, child and baby PER YEAR based on a population of 23.13 million (2013) in Australia.

    I do realize that will go down if the USA, EU and Canada also sign on but lots of luck with that. The EU barely has its head above water with the Cyprus haircut, Greece in the toilet and Portugal. Ireland and Spain swilling around the bowl. link Canada has already tossed CAGW on the junk heap and CAGW is not popular in the USA even if Hillary and Saunders, the democratic contestants are beating that drum.

    According to Rasmussen Reports Sixty-five percent (65%) of Likely U.S. Voters view global warming as at least a somewhat serious problem (up from 59% six months ago) but only 45% think it is caused by humans. So although the propaganda is working it is not working very well because on top of that Polls over the last couple of years show:

    * 32% of Likely U.S. Voters have a favorable opinion of the EPA
    * Voters Say Job Creation More Important Than Fighting Global Warming
    * 48% View Coal Industry Favorably
    * 28% Are Willing To Pay Higher Utility Bills to Reduce Coal Usage
    *58% Favor Building the Keystone XL Oil Pipeline

    Back in 2013 when there was near an all-time high (46%) belief in Human caused Global Warming and 63% of Likely U.S. Voters consider global warming to be at least a somewhat serious problem, only 41% Willing to Pay More to Fight Global Warming. link

    (Remember many people who are polled will give a popular answer instead of what they really think so CAGW may seem a lot more popular because of peer pressure.)

    No wonder they don’t want an economist anywhere near this fiasco.

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    OriginalSteve

    Its funny – I found this blog and a similar “feel” to the discussion.

    All i could think of is people madly trying to debunk skeptics.

    http://io9.com/no-german-scientists-have-not-confirmed-the-impossibl-1720573809

    PS – I have no idea whether the tech works, it seems possible it might.

    Scientists do shift the common “wisdom” by trashing the “common sense” beliefs of the time. People thought powered flight impossible, splitting of the atom , etc.

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      “common sense” is the cop out expression that politicians use when they have no evidence to back a decision. They also know that the “common sense” way to do something just happens to be what the general public will agree with due to their ignorance.

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      Bill

      they’ve been playing with varients of “ion propulsion” for over 60 years, if it can ever be made to work it will be a game changer, but likely will take decades more (at least).

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    Eugene WR Gallun

    Totally off topic but I can’t help myself. I am just so witty! I am going to wet
    myself unless I post this. Was at Bishop Hill where someone asked the question –

    What’s black and white and red all over?

    My answer — President Obama

    Eugene WR Gallun

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    David Maddison

    It is the SCIENTIFIC METHOD itself which is under attack!

    Here it is in language even a leftist, green or politician could understand:

    o Define a question
    o Gather information and resources (observe)
    o Form an explanatory hypothesis
    o Test the hypothesis by performing an experiment and collecting data in a reproducible manner
    o Analyze the data
    o Interpret the data and draw conclusions that serve as a starting point for new hypothesis
    o Publish results
    o Retest (frequently done by other scientists)

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      very good. the last dot point “retest” could be “retest and verify” as “retest” lone suggests just repeating the same experiment- which can be a poor use of time or impossible. Verify implies different experiments that concord with the original.

      a note on “impossible”: there is nothing in the “scientific method”, by whatever definition that says that irreproducible results are not valid. Some data can only be collected once. So long as the method is actually “scientific” the conclusions drawn from the data should be verifiable even if not reproducible.

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      John Smith

      I think we’re way past that point
      the attack happened years ago
      science, and those of us who believe in it, were overrun
      chased into the woods
      we may be regrouping here
      I hope so
      going by the affairs described in this post
      the situation looks grim

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        John Smith

        just wanted to add a note …
        in my opinion the leftist are not only attacking science and intellectual speech
        here in the US, they are literally becoming Medieval
        in Memphis they are actually planning to exhume a Confederate general and his wife
        the Leftists are now offended by the dead
        what’s next?
        grim

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          gnome

          There’s a lot of really weird resurrection moves happening at the moment. Well known rural socialist Tim Fischer wants long-dead exWW1 General John Monash promoted to Field-Marshal. I haven’t heard John Monash complaining about it either. Perhaps if someone explains that it won’t increase his pension…

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            Gnome,

            that’s been one of Tim’s things for a while now.

            I wonder what the point of it all is.

            As spectacular as John Monash was in ending the War, that sort of promotion does seem a little superfluous.

            A LtCol after moving to the Regular Army from the Militia (where he was a full Colonel) at the outbreak of the War, he was promoted to Colonel during the training for the Gallipoli Landing.

            At Gallipoli he was promoted to BrigGen in Jul 1915. (one star for all our American readers here)

            Then, now in France he was promoted to MajGen in Jul 1916.

            Then, after his string of famous victories, he was promoted to LtGen in May 1918, and Knighted in the field by George V, the first time a ruling Monarch had visited a battlefield in more than 200 years

            As with tradition in those days he was made up to the next substantive rank one day prior to discharge, a (full) General.

            Effectively, this was 4 senior rank promotions in the field in three years.

            To make him up to Field Marshall now is a bit silly really. History is just that History.

            At each step, he was opposed, mostly by Billy Hughes, but his victories dispelled those troubles.

            At the end of the War, he had 210,000 Australians under his control, as well as 50,000 Americans.

            Without doubt, one of our best Commanders we have ever had.

            Tony.

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              I wonder what the point of it all is.

              his striving for relevance

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                Gee,

                he only has to climb Koshoosko, sorry Kosciuszko for that!

                Tony.

                Post Script – Huh, Kosciuszko, another famous General. Tim must have something for Generals.

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              You didn’t mention the one important factor: Monasch (original spelling of family name) was an Engineer, the foundation of structured, rational thinking to innovatively solve problems in the real world. Innovation can win battles in war, just as it can in the free market. But if it’s not rational, then it can lose the war.

              Part of John Monash’s legacy is the encouragement of the intelligent field commander in the military. It shaped the way Australian military commanders are selected and trained.

              While that legacy survives (for now), his other legacy of efficient supply-chain planning and logistics in the military has been eroded over the decades; by the incessant interference of politics.

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            Len

            Field Marshalls, (Five star generals) don’t receive pensions. They are on full pay for the rest of their lives. Australia does not have enough troops to warrant having a field marshall. The current Army has been top heavy in generals (Admirals and Air Chief Marshalls) for years. Bob Menzies made Blamey a Field Marshall shortly before he died. There probably was not enough soldiers in the Army in World War II for Blamey to be a Field Marshall.

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        AbysmalSpectator

        The Dawkins White/Green paper revolution was the end of science in universities here in Australia. The changes in attitudes happened overnight.

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        Yeah, bummer that Abbott and Pyne fear, hate and denigrate science, eh?

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          Just-A-Guy

          Maxine,

          Yes. Post-modern pseudo-science, the kind practiced by our modern day CAGW Evangelists, is to be hated, denigrated, and rejected.

          Feared?

          What we all need to fear is what will happen if the Gaia-worshipping Fabians get their way in Paris later this year.

          Abe

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            But since AGW is here and now science is correct. Pseudoscience is practised by people who take a view on AGW based on ideology and then have to spend time “refuting” every finding that goes against their ideology. This is NOT a scientific approach.

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              doubting dave

              Maxine , earlier in the thread you where worried about the effect of our co2 emissions on Australian wine production ,well plants love co2 feeding and thriving on it, so don’t worry just raise your glass and give thanks to the miracle molecule that co2 is.Here is one of your heroes[taken from an article this week over at wattsup] explaining the benefits for you ,so cheer up Maxine just relax and realize that you’ve been had.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDWEjSDYfxc&feature=player_detailpage

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              Just-A-Guy

              Maxine,

              You wrote:

              Pseudoscience is practised by people who take a view on AGW based on ideology and then have to spend time “refuting” every finding that goes against their ideology.

              Exactly right. That’s what we’ve been trying to tell you but you don’t want to listen.

              CAGW ™ is all about ideology, and not about science. You even got the quotes part right. They/you think that by simply repeating the same old memes, like a mantra, that by sheer volition, they’ve/you’ve ‘refuted’ the facts and now all will come to the true belief.

              So here, in order to wake you up from your hypnotic trance, is a 15 year running average of world temperatures, calculated monthly, from satellites. No cherry-picking start/end points. Fifteen year everage temperature, calculated each and every month, fot the entire satellite record.

              Notice that after twenty years of warming, we’ve now got only cooling.

              Abe

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      Rereke Whakaaro

      Within the realms of Climate Change research, point six should read:

      Interpret the data and adjust, homogenise, weight, and extrapolate values to produce conclusions that serve as a starting point for new hypothesis.

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    handjive

    reneweconomy.com.au has a widget:

    It shows, for each region of Australia’s National Electricity Market (NEM), and the other main grids across Australia, how much electricity is being generated by each fuel type, using data published by several organisations.

    > When the sun don’t shine & the wind don’t blow, you get a zero.

    ABC: Port Augusta solar thermal power promises better health SA Conservation Council says
    (but) A study by Alinta Energy has found solar thermal technology is currently economically unviable.
    ~ ~ ~
    ABC: Meanwhile, in Queensland they have a “so-called clean coal technology could be the silver bullet to address the issue.”

    The Callide Oxyfuel Project is one of just a few low-emission coal projects in the world, and demonstrates how carbon capture technology can be retrofitted to existing power stations.
    . . .
    > Sadly, this lowering of carbon(sic) emissions failed to stop a recent Queensland cyclone/flood (ABC)

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      Rereke Whakaaro

      I followed the link to Reneweconomy, and got this little gem:

      Last Thursday, Denmark’s wind farms generated 140% of its energy needs in the course of one day.

      Wow, draw a circle around that date on the calendar, folks. In the future, you will be able to point to that day and say to your grandchildren, “There you see, we were right, wind power can meet all of our power needs. We just need another day like that …

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        Spetzer86

        Site with Denmark energy output: http://www.emd.dk/el/

        It’s funny how the spot price goes up with increasing generation of wind power.

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        Another Ian

        RW

        A similar definition to “normal” to this one?

        1974 was an extremely wet year in Alice Springs. And a local character considered that

        “It was the first normal year since 1923″

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          Rereke Whakaaro

          I understand that people who live in Alice Springs are considered a bit odd, even by Australian standards. :-)

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      Andrew McRae

      A new design for small urban-based wind turbine product was launched, and the gimmick is they look like trees. Check the sort of responses that an engineer gets when they decry the design as inefficient and windpower as being ineffective.
      http://imgur.com/gallery/gmnQ3pe/comment/451283888
      People just want to believe.

      One of the most astounding replies was this one:

      BluBoxx 2 points : 31 minutes ago reply

      With current technology the worlds total energy use could be met using solely renewable energy resources. The problem is path dependence

      Never heard of “path dependence”, but digging into it (eg here) this is a reference to the historic renewable energy policy pathway of different countries.
      It basically means, some governments (eg Germany) created feed-in-tariffs and forced retailers to buy renewable energy within a fixed price margin. So the “problem” is that other governments are not forcing us to buy this dodgy product. That’s the least problematic problem I’ve ever heard.

      [Moderator's note: The link to the "path dependence" pdf file will require you to essentially join their organization before you can download and read it. It might as well be behind a paywall for some readers.

      Andrew, there's no problem with your posting it. I'm just pointing out what I found when I went there.] AZ

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        Andrew McRae

        AZ I’m unsure what you’re complaining about. You can’t download without joining, but I’ve never joined either.
        You can read the whole document without downloading it, just scroll down the page and there it is.

        For users of NoScript, I had to permit scripting on that site and Scribd in NoScript before the viewer worked, but it is all there to read.

        I didn’t try to find an unencumbered PDF alternative, but I didn’t see that as necessary in this case.

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    Sunray

    Thank you Jo, we need US style Racketeering Laws in Australia, to kill this totalitarian disease stone dead.

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      Rereke Whakaaro

      Do you think that the Australian Mafia would allow that to happen … ?

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        gai

        Do you really think the US Mafia will allow the laws to be used against them? I don’t and that is based on personal experience with the uselessness of the US court system on more than one occasion. (Just ask Heartland.)

        At this point I have nothing but contempt for the justice system in the USA based on the travesty I personally experienced in the local courts all the way up to the messes made by the US Supreme Court.

        Probably the worst move was the removal of the right to a jury trial and replacing it with a tribunal WITHIN the same bureaucracy that accused you in the first place! The 6th and 11th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution and Article 3 Section 2 gave US citizens the right to a trial But in the 1900s the US Supreme court took it away.

        “Anyone accused of a crime in this country is entitled to a jury trial.”

        The Constitution may say so but, in fact, this is simply not the case — and becoming less so as politicians fiddle with legal definitions and sentencing standards in order specifically to reduce the number of persons entitled to a trial….

        ….As Thomas Jefferson put it to Tom Paine in a 1789 letter, “I consider trial by jury as the only anchor ever yet imagined by man, by which a government can be held to the principles of its constitution.” ….
        http://prorev.com/juries.htm

        Here is how the politicians have gotten around the US Constitution to make sure citizens are denied their right to a trial:

        …The Seventh Amendment, passed by the First Congress without debate, cured the omission by declaring that the right to a jury trial shall be preserved in common-law cases… The Supreme Court has, however, arrived at a more limited interpretation. It applies the amendment’s guarantee to the kinds of cases that “existed under the English common law when the amendment was adopted,” …

        The right to trial by jury is not constitutionally guaranteed in certain classes of civil cases that are concededly “suits at common law,” particularly when “public” or governmental rights are at issue and if one cannot find eighteenth-century precedent for jury participation in those cases. Atlas Roofing Co. v. Occupational Safety & Health Review Commission (1977). Thus, Congress can lodge personal and property claims against the United States in non-Article III courts with no jury component.

        In addition, where practice as it existed in 1791 “provides no clear answer,” the rule is that “[o]nly those incidents which are regarded as fundamental, as inherent in and of the essence of the system of trial by jury, are placed beyond the reach of the legislature.” Markman v. Westview Instruments (1996). In those situations, too, the Seventh Amendment does not restrain congressional choice.

        In contrast to the near-universal support for the civil jury trial in the eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries, modern jurists consider civil jury trial neither “implicit in the concept of ordered liberty,” Palko v. State of Connecticut (1937), nor “fundamental to the American scheme of justice,” Duncan v. Louisiana (1968).
        http://www.heritage.org/constitution/#!/amendments/7/essays/159/right-to-jury-in-civil-cases

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          Rereke Whakaaro

          I find it bizarre, that the Founding Fathers moved away from Great Britain to get away from the inequitable British legal system, only to find that 200 years later, the American legal system is using the precedent of “English Common Law” to stuff the inequities right back in again.

          I don’t know what they are smoking, but it sure seem like powerful stuff.

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            gai

            “I don’t know what they are smoking, but it sure seem like powerful stuff.”
            …….

            Money and Power.

            …….
            Our politicians are just the puppets we see on stage. They are expendable. I have seen a few glimpses here and there of the invisible hand holding the puppet strings.

            I talked to a guy recently who is a relative of one of my former Congressmen. When he pressed and pressed as to why the Congresman was voting for Obamacare, the Congresman said he had no choice. The guy was so strung tight that when approached on the street by a Constituent he completely lost it and since it was video taped, lost the election. In light of what I now know that video all of a sudden makes sense.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oqIP9yagkQ

            Then there was Bundy Ranch/Federal Bureau of Land Management/Chinese Solar Farm fiasco with Sen. Harry Reid and family completely entwined in the whole mess. From the ties to the Bureau of Land Management to the transfer of land confiscated to the Reid family (with no money changing hands) Reid’s not so clean finger prints are all over the land grab. However thanks to the support of others and some sleuthing on land title transfer, Reid had to back down. Not long after Reid was badly beaten. (Much of this came out on various blogs)
            (wwwDOT)breitbart.com/big-government/2015/03/31/why-harry-reids-home-exercise-accident-story-does-not-add-up/

            You have Top Senate Democrat Dick Durbin’s confession on radio:

            “And the banks — hard to believe in a time when we’re facing a banking crisis that many of the banks created — are still the most powerful lobby on Capitol Hill. And they frankly own the place.” The blunt acknowledgment that the same banks that caused the financial crisis “own” the U.S. Congress — according to one of that institution’s most powerful members — demonstrates just how extreme this institutional corruption is.

            Finally you have what is written in the book The New Freedom by Woodrow Wilson, 1961 (I really really dislike Wilson)

            In most parts of our country men work, not for themselves, not as partners in the old way in which they used to work, but generally as employees,–in a higher or lower grade,–of great corporations. There was a time when corporations played a very minor part in our business affairs, but now they play the chief part, and most men are the servants of corporations.

            You know what happens when you are the servant of a corporation. You have in no instance access to the men who are really determining the policy of the corporation. If the corporation is doing the things that it ought not to do, you really have no voice in the matter and must obey the orders, and you have oftentimes with deep mortification to co-operate in the doing of things which you know are against the public interest. Your individuality is swallowed up in the individuality and purpose of a great organization.

            ….Through the great organizations of which they are the heads, a few are enabled to play a part unprecedented by anything in history in the control of the business operations of the country and in the determination of the happiness of great numbers of people.

            Pg. 24:
            Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men’s views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.

            They know that America is not a place of which it can be said, as it used to be, that a man may choose his own calling and pursue it just as far as his abilities enable him to pursue it; because to-day, if he enters certain fields, there are organizations which will use means against him that will prevent his building up a business which they do not want to have built up; organizations that will see to it that the ground is cut from under him and the markets shut against him.
            http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/New_World_Order/WWilson_NewFreedom.html

            I had a front row seat watching the WWF and the MSM used to destroy a Chemical/oil Company that challenged Shell Oil so I know this is true first hand.

            [This is straying off topic. I'm going to approve it since you're replying to an ongoing discussion, speak from personal experience and present some documentation. But let's let this be the end of the matter. Thanks.] AZ

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              Roy Hogue

              And what you describe has been the case throughout human history as far as I can tell. As far back as history goes there was always someone protecting his vested interest, the land owner, the guilds squeezing out any newcomer… Today’s unions protect their interest the same way for the same reason, as does any business with enough clout to manage it.

              They all smoke the weed of self preservation; preservation of their cause; getting their way… …by any necessary means.

              The job of government should be to keep the playing field honest and level for all players, not to join in the game. But they smoke the same stuff that everyone else does.

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    Bribiejohn

    Fear is a strong reason to avoid the freedom of expression of ideas! A hidden agenda is another much stronger!

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    In climatology it – was – nevah – about –
    the – science. Oh, Einstein! Oh,Feynmann!
    Oh,’Freeman ‘Dyson! Farewell open- society
    - investigation, say ‘hello’ to Saul Alinsky.

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    gai -

    all the developed countries are supposed to commit billions each year to the USD$100 billion fund, but it ain’t happening & it won’t be happening.

    this was the carrot dangled in front of the developing world to keep them onside, but it hinged on the success of the dream of trillions of $$$ of carbon dioxide emissions derivatives being bought & sold annually. along came the GFC and the dream turned into a nightmare, & the Green Climate Fund is merely a hugely expensive bureaucracy housed in South Korea, waiting for money that will never materialise.

    btw, the trillions in trading would come primarily from institutional investors who control the retirement funds of ordinary people. it’s amusing to note the Fund is known as the GCF…distinguishing it slightly from the GFC!

    Wikipedia: Green Climate Fund…The GCF is based in the new Songdo district of Incheon, South Korea. It is governed by a Board of 24 members and initially supported by an Interim Secretariat…It is intended to be the centrepiece of efforts to raise Climate Finance of $100 billion a year by 2020…
    Only a fraction of this sum had been pledged as of July 2013, mostly to cover start-up costs…
    The Copenhagen Accord, established during the 15th Conference Of the Parties (COP-15) in Copenhagen in 2009 mentioned the “Copenhagen Green Climate Fund”. The fund was formally established during the 2010 United Nations Climate Change Conference in Cancun and is a fund within the UNFCCC framework.[6] Its governing instrument was adopted at the 2011 UN Climate Change Conference (COP 17) in Durban, South Africa…
    During COP-16 in Cancun, the matter of governing the GCF was entrusted to the newly founded Green Climate Fund Board, and the World Bank was chosen as the temporary trustee…
    Pledges to the fund reached $10.2 billion on May 28, 2015…questions have been raised about the need for yet another new international climate institution which may further fragment public dollars that are put toward mitigation and adaptation annually…
    ***One of the most controversial aspects of the GCF concerns the creation of the Fund’s Private Sector Facility (PSF). Many of the developed countries represented on the GCF board advocate a PSF that appeals to capital markets, in particular the pension funds and other institutional investors that control trillions of dollars that pass through Wall Street and other financial centers. They hope that the Fund will ultimately use a broad range of financial instruments…
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Climate_Fund

    amusingly, Simon Bradshaw (of the Oxfam report) founded the Geurnsey Climate Network in the Channel Islands. he has been shilling for the CAGW scamsters for quite some years, it seems:

    April 2007: Guernsey Press: Investec seeks to cut environmental impact
    INVESTEC Bank’s green team has run a week of events aimed at reducing its impact on the environment…
    Simon Bradshaw, a climate-change researcher and co-founder of the Guernsey Climate Action Network, kicked off the group’s lecture series with a talk about global warming and how to counteract it…
    ***Al Gore’s film on global warming, An Inconvenient Truth, was shown on a continual loop in the staff room…
    Investec Group in London last month secured the top award at the Corporation of London’s annual Clean City Awards for its green campaign. Competing against 1,320 other companies, it won the Chairman’s Cup, previous holders of which have included UBS, Legal & General, BP, Unilever, Clifford Chance
    and Lloyds TSB.
    http://guernseypress.com/news/2007/04/19/investec-seeks-to-cut-environmental-impact/

    ***what a fun gathering that must have been!

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      gai

      I realize that Pat (and thanks for all your info over the years.)

      I was just showing the cost if the Aussie warmists managed to convince the country to go it alone.

      The Aussie population is 23.13 million
      Canada 35.16 million
      EU 508 million
      USA 318.9 million

      So Canada is similar to Australia in population while the EU and the USA are ten times the number.

      You can see why Obama is really digging in his heels about CAGW. The Green Climate Fund needs to shear the US sheeple (as well as the EU sheeple) to make the pain tolerable for the sheep ($113/man, woman and child)

      Where it gets interesting is when you look at $$$/labor force (wage earner)

      Australia – 11,767,200 (july 2015)
      Canada – 14,454,200 (Jan 2015 full time)
      EU – 213,381,500 (BOY! the EU does not want to give those stats!)
      USA Employed- 148,739,000 (June 2015)
      (Employed 388.3 million for the first world)

      That is $260/per wage earner per year if ALL chip in or between 5 and 10% of your wages. If the EU or the USA opted out the price about doubles and people are going to notice if ~10% of their salaries disappear down the UN/Green fund black hole.

      I am doing this exercise because the $$$ out of your pocket is going to be what people will notice and 5% or 10% of your wages ON TOP OF all the other taxes are going to get people’s attention.

      This is why the panic over an economist. This is the way he would think.

      Gee, 10% where have I heard that before… tithes to the Church during Medieval times.

      (I may have royally messed up the numbers so please someone double check.)

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    MurrayA

    I have glanced through all the posts so far, and (correct me if I missed one) I have not seen one which highlights the irony of, indeed, the contradiction between the warmists’ demand for government funding to be cut off from Lomborg, and any other “sceptical” enterprise, but gladly handed out to the “right” (i.e. warmist) institutes, and on the other hand the constant objection to “sceptics” that they are in the pay of Big Oil or Big Coal (or whatever).
    That is to say:
    Funding of warmist commissions, institutes etc by government: GOOD!!
    Funding of sceptical commissions, foundations, institutes etc. by private enterprise: BAD!!
    Funding of warmist institutions, foundations etc by private enterprise (and there are many): GOOD!!
    Funding of sceptical institutions, foundations etc by government: BAD!!

    Truly there is rampant and egregious hypocrisy in our world!

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      ianl8888


      Truly there is rampant and egregious hypocrisy in our world!

      The good and the great experience no downside to their hypocrisy … so Hilary Clinton can lecture the peons on the destructiveness of air travel and then immediately fly off in her private jet – all with impunity

      The owner/editor of the Huff-Puff (Huffington Post) can and did run a campaign, complete with her own editorials, lecturing the peons on the necessity of reducing air travel, and then immediately fly off in her own private jet to a conference in far-off Europe with the topic of “raising awareness of the need to reduce air travel” – Huff-Puff circulation has not suffered

      A dotty but apparently much-loved English actress (sorry, I have no hope of remembering her name but she makes fluffy romance films, my daughter tells me) can do a press conference on the evils of fossil fuels and when her own profligate air travels are noted, can claim that since (her) air travel is just so convenient, aircraft designers and engineers had just better jolly well fix it all up then … her films still have box-office appeal, apparently

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    pat

    from 86 to 76…and still NO CLARITY, despite the headline.
    the graphic is hilarious, as is #3!

    28 July: CarbonBrief: Sophie Yeo: Explainer: New negotiating text provides clarity on UN climate deal
    The two diplomats responsible for steering the challenging negotiations towards a successful outcome in December, Dan Reifsnyder from the US and Ahmed Djoghlaf from Algeria, released a new text – or a “tool”, as they are calling it – last Friday.
    It is the product of a six weeks of work, following the latest round of talks in June…
    The new text is based on the Geneva negotiating text – an 86-page document that countries constructed in February, following a major round of talks in December 2014 in Lima.
    The new text has been reduced to 76 pages through a process of careful streamlining. This largely involved erasing duplication and redundancies from the Geneva text…
    The co-chairs have not removed any substantive language or options from the text concerning the final content of the agreement. This sort of whittling down is the responsibility of the parties, and is likely to commence in earnest in Bonn in upcoming sessions, the first of which begins this August…

    It separates the previous morass of options into three categories:

    1. Ideas that are expected to form the core of the new agreement, which will likely be long-lasting and legally binding;

    2. Ideas that are more suited to a series of more flexible “COP decisions”;

    ***3. Ideas that belong somewhere, but will require further discussion to decide where. This final section remains the longest and contains many of the most controversial proposals, such as the long-term goal for emissions reductions.

    GRAPHIC CAPTION: An example of how the text currently appears, including a morass of brackets and various options, which will be negotiated during the course of the year. Source: Co-chairs’ text, 24 July 2015
    (LENGTHY, MEANINGLESS OUTLINE OF WHAT’S IN THE 76 PAGES FOLLOWS INCLUDING SECTIONS ON FINANCE)
    http://www.carbonbrief.org/blog/2015/07/explainer-new-negotiating-text-provides-clarity-on-un-climate-deal/

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    pat

    LOL:

    29 July: BusinessInsiderAustralia: Barbara Tasch: These maps are the first to reveal what the world thinks of climate change, and its startling
    Four in 10 adults throughout the world have never heard of climate change, according to a new Yale-led study in “Nature.”…
    “This is the first and only truly global study where we have climate change opinion data from over 100 countries, so it allows us to compare the findings across the world,” lead author Tien Ming Lee, a Princeton University researcher, said in a statement…
    In many developed countries (e.g. North America, Europe, Japan), over 90% of the population is aware of climate change. In developing nations though, the percentage is much smaller — ***although people reported having noticed changes in local weather…
    Co-author Anthony Leiserowitz, director of the Yale Project on Climate Change Communication and study lead, said that the results clearly showed that improving education was vital for public support of climate change…
    http://www.businessinsider.com.au/what-the-world-thinks-of-climate-change-2015-7

    guess we’ll now have to finance an army of CAGW propagandists to fly out to indoctrinate all those who are blissfully ignorant there is an actual problem.

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    David Maddison

    This was on “their” ABC today. Sickening. You can make comments on the ABC website if you want.

    QUOTE “Opposition leader Bill Shorten announced last week a target of 50% renewables by 2030, if his party wins government.

    In real terms, that translates to every second home having rooftop solar, and six times as many wind farms.

    Energy analyst, Dr Roger Dargaville, argues that this target is technically and practically achievable. It just comes down to having the right policy settings in place.

    Below is a graph representing the various levelised costs of electricity (LCOE) from available power sources. It attempts to compare different methods of electricity generation on a comparable basis.”

    http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/rnafternoons/how-achievable-is-a-renewable-energy-target-of-5025-by-20303f/6656364

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      Dr Roger Dargaville
      Deputy Director and Senior Energy Analyst, Melbourne Energy Institute at the University of Melbourne

      A bloke in a sheltered workshop offering non-professional advice: S.O.P. for their ABC. Here he is spruiking renewables and rationing (“demand-side management”) on YouTube. He acknowledges that wind and solar are variable as well as unpredictable; and then claim wind capacity factor is around 35% or better. [German operators average 16% CF for land-based wind over the whole country.]

      He says that you can be “more or less guaranteed some power most of the time”; very reassuring given that Germany’s record from wind power generators spanning more than 1000km from the North Sea to the Alps manage to produce almost no electrical power when e.g. a stationary high settles for 3 to 7 days. Wider dispersion over longer transmission distances causes problems due to e.g. grid capacitance where the generating ends can over-generate and cause the grid to fail where there is no generation due to transmitted surges; or perversely, when the wind generators suddenly stop, their substations get a return surge.

      Roger seems enamored with his simplistic models. Glosses over the gaps.

      Professional advice can be obtained (at a cost) from e.g. consulting Chartered Professional Engineers who carry sizeable insurance policies to cover the costs of them making the wrong decisions.

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      Did I misread that chart, or is coal completely missing from it? Talk about hiding the pea in the three thimble trick!

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    pat

    read all…guess Lomborg wouldn’t be welcomed by any of this lot:

    21 July: CarbonBrief: Roz Pidcock: UK academics call for strong action on climate change at Paris summit
    Today’s communique (LINK TO ROYAL METEOROLOGICAL SOCIETY), a joint endeavor by learned societies across the sciences, social sciences, arts, humanities, engineering and medicine, calls on governments, including the UK, to “seize the opportunity” in Paris to strike an ambitious deal to curb climate change.
    Staying pretty close to what the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) said in itslatest report, the document doesn’t cover new ground as such.
    But it sends a signal to negotiators that the science community supports a global agreement in Paris, says Prof Eric Wolff, professor of earth sciences at the University of Cambridge and a fellow of the Royal Society, one of the 24 institutions endorsing today’s communiqué.
    Other signatories include the British Ecological Society, the Institute of Physics, the Royal Astronomical Society, the Royal Meteorological Society and the Wellcome Trust…
    Today’s communique sends a strong signal to negotiators ahead of the Paris talks, says Dr Ed Hawkins, a research fellow in climate predictability at the University of Reading…
    ONE COMMENT: by Twoton: How many of these societies polled their membership before signing up for this political action?
    http://www.carbonbrief.org/blog/2015/07/uk-academics-call-for-strong-action-on-climate-change-at-paris-summit/

    Royal Society: Climate Communique (logos of signatories in right column)
    https://royalsociety.org/~/media/policy/Publications/2015/21-07-15-climate-communique.PDF

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    David Maddison -

    28 July: WUWT: The Green Mirage
    Review of Forbes On-line Magazine Article “Solar Energy Revolution: A Massive Opportunity”
    By: Tom Tamarkin
    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/07/29/the-green-mirage/#comment-1995947

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    pat

    wet & cold at the cricket; same at the tennis in Austria & Sweden last week. guess it must be the hottest year ever!

    27 July: UK Daily Mail: Tom Payne: Heatwave? No chance… Summer’s off, with warnings of showers, gales and below-average temperatures blighting Britain until at least the middle of August
    More showers, gales and below-average temperatures will blight Britain for the next fortnight as Atlantic storms and brisk Arctic winds move in.
    Forecasters have today issued a weather warning for the South, where gales are set to exceed 50mph and showers will persist until tomorrow morning.
    The Met Office has warned a spell of ‘unsettled weather’ will prevail for August’s first two weeks – with only the chance of the odd day of dry weather.
    And forecasters said there was ‘no chance’ of a return to the heatwave conditions which saw roads melt and temperatures hit 36.7C (98F) on July 1…
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3175496/Heatwave-No-chance-Summer-s-warnings-showers-gales-average-temperatures-blighting-Britain-mid-August.html
    comments by:
    xDan: For anyone wondering who forecasted the ‘monster heatwave’ and the ‘big freeze’, just search up Exacta Weather, whose main forecaster is James Madden. Earlier in the month, he warned us of temperatures hitting 40C in
    the south and 35C in the north… as if!
    harra: I remember climate scientists telling us in the 90′s that global warming was going to make the UK drier and warmer to the extent that grapes could be grown on Hadrians wall. We were promised a semi tropical climate.
    Shows how much creedance we should give these jokers when they bang on about the effects of CO2 based on about 80 years measurements and the guesswork their computer models churn out

    24 July: Bangor Daily News: Canadian air may break cold weather record in The County
    According to the weather service, as of noon Friday the high temperature in Caribou was 59 degrees, five degrees below the previous record for the day of 64 registered in 1954.
    Though not an official weather recording site, Presque Isle also could record its lowest maximum temperature for the day, according to Kredenser.
    The central Aroostook County city got up to 61 degrees just before noon, he said, not reaching the previous low maximum of 65 degrees set in 1954…
    http://bangordailynews.com/2015/07/24/news/aroostook/canadian-air-may-break-cold-weather-record-in-the-county/

    28 July, Steven Goddard has “Another Day Of Heavy Snow In Southwest Greenland. It is July 27, and they are getting snow almost to the coast of southwest Greenland. Same as a day earlier. They are having their coldest year since the Mt Pinatubo cooled year of 1993.”

    HOW THE CAGW JOKERS CAN BELIEVE PEOPLE ANYWHERE WANT THE TEMPERATURE OF THE EARTH REDUCED IS BEYOND ME.

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    Too bad SA will have to shut down its wind farms. A recent conference showed human perception of sounds down to 8Hz. (PDF)

    Additionally, Germany’s Federal Environment Office last year quietly issued a Feasibility Study into infrasound effects on humans. (PDF German) English Abstract:

    This feasibility study evaluated the state of knowledge about the effects of infrasound on human beings, the identification of infrasound sources and the potential concernments in Germany due to infrasound. Furthermore, a study design was developed for a noise impact study concerning infrasound immissions. Based on these findings, recommendations for the further development of regulations on immission control were made. The study led to the following conclusions:
    • The literature review does not present a coherent picture about the determination and assessment of low frequency sounds. Especially in Germany, there are just a few studies that deal with infrasound. A database was created for further research projects.
    • Survey tools that allow for an initial acoustic description and classification were developed for the acoustic identification and assessment of potential infrasound sources.
    • The surveys of the immission control authorities of the Länder (German states) and the evaluation of Internet communication on infrasound show a somewhat higher level of noise pollution in Southern Germany. Above all, noise pollution from air-conditioning systems and biogas facilities were mentioned. In the official practice, the Technical Instructions on Noise Abatement and DIN 45680 generally apply in cases of conflicts concerning infrasound.
    • A study design was developed for an interdisciplinary field study and the essential survey contents and sources were defined.
    • The DIN 45680 Measurement and Assessment of Low Frequency Noise Immissions in the Neighbourhood can be used for the assessment of low frequency noise (<100 Hz). The international standard ISO 7196 Acoustics – Frequency-Weighting Characteristic for Infrasound Measurements was especially created for the measurement of infrasound immissions (<20 Hz). The research findings indicate that these standards have deficits with regards to the assessment of infrasound and should be further developed. The current revision of DIN 45680 shows a path for how inconsistencies in the area of low frequency sounds can be rectified.

    They’re stumbling around in the dark, having built tens of thousands of the things, without understanding any effects that it has on people and animals in the proximity.

    The EIKE article I have as my source has pulled some text from the latter document which I’m too tired to translate right now. The unconscious perception of infrasound appears sufficient to cause “discomfort”.

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      Wind “farm” output in the UK only guaranteed to be zero.

      The fact that wind farms can produce almost zero power is regularly denied. This is normally done by waving of hands. “If it’s not windy one place, it will be windy elsewhere”. Not so.

      To see this consider what happened on the 16th June 2013. On that day maximum instantaneous wind farm output was 2722 MW.

      That’s the maximum. The minimum was only 19 MW.

      This is consistent with the performance records in Germany which I’ve mentioned previously.

      The SA government’s fantasy of getting useful electrical power from “renewables” is a dangerous delusion. One that not only hurts what remains of an economy in that State, but also has the potential to kill people via energy poverty. So they stood by Flinders Uni’s “decision” to reject the Lomborg Centre, because they cannot have reasonable, affordable actions being discussed as an alternative.

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    hottest year ever! but how will they get away with it this year?

    29 July: WUWT: The Gore effect continues…down under
    Al does it again – visits Melbourne during coldest July in 19 years…
    COMMENT: by Old’un:
    From the blurb:
    - However, the presentation focused on hope. Mr Gore highlighted the amazing momentum occurring around the world in switching to renewable energy technology and the vast number of new jobs in these industries that had been created, 6.5 million in Germany alone. -

    ABSOLUTE GARBAGE – that would mean that about 15% of the working population in Germany is working in renewable energy!
    Anything goes when the message has to be massaged.
    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/07/29/the-gore-effect-continues-down-under/

    i’ve asked Old’un if it’s possible to give a link to, or scan an image of, the “blurb”. it the 6.5m/germany bit is true, it may have been someone else’s mistake, not Gore’s, as he at least quoted IRENA’s renewable report figs in March, it would seem:

    13 March: OrmsbystreetBlog: Jane Hewitt: Al Gore at SXSW Interactive
    This morning I was lucky enough to listen to the first Keynote at SXSW Interactive – Al Gore on Climate Change…
    Gore focused also on the huge increase over the past few years in renewable energy – over 6.5 million people now work in the renewable energy sector, with South America having a 370% increase in solar energy (PV systems) in 2014 and on May11th 2014 – 74% of power in Germany was generated by solar energy plus ‘pay as you go’ solar panels in Sierra Leone – as Gore said: “…the age of renewables is beginning”…

    read all tweets by loading more…talk about gullible:

    28 July: ScienceMatters: Uni of Melbourne: Al Gore case for hope at the University of Melbourne
    Former US Vice President and Nobel Laureate Al Gore delivered a presentation on the impacts of and solutions to the climate crisis at the University of Melbourne on Monday 27 July. Here’s a glimpse of some of what was being said during the event…
    TWEETS:
    Neela Haryani: Insanely excited to hear Al Gore speak @unimelb today! We’re seated. The anticipation is building…
    Science at Melbourne: It’s hard to convey the simple yet scary information being displayed here, but the warnings are clear…
    Neela Haryani: @algore gets excited: “this (clean energy) is the biggest business opportunity in the entire history of the world!” …
    http://sciencematters.unimelb.edu.au/al-gore-the-climate-crisis-and-the-case-for-hope/
    Related stories
    Al Gore in Melbourne(Ian Thomas Ackerman)
    Climate Hope: Al Gore at the Wheeler Centre(Matthew Rimmer)

    Rimmer’s page appears to have a Greg Hunt tweet at the bottom (?):

    Greg Hunt: Al Gore’s 3 big Qs on climate, must we change? Yes. Can we change? It’s underway. When will it be done? Hmm.

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      PeterPetrum

      this (clean energy) is the biggest business opportunity in the entire history of the world!”

      Indeed, for people like Gore who has huge investments in renewables!

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        gai

        “… for people like Gore who has huge investments in renewables!”

        The word is HAD not has. 10/04/12 – Al Gore Walks Away From Green Energy

        …He is also big in China, with stakes in a big Chinese travel agency, CTrip, and China’s largest medical equipment manufacturer, Mindray Medical.

        And if you want a piece of the natural gas pipeline game — heavily dependent on the environmentally suspect fracking — you can find that in Gore’s portfolio as well with Quanta Services (PWR).

        The comments are not flattering towards Al Gore.

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          PeterPetrum

          Wow! That’s interesting, is it not! Thanks for the link Gai.

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            gai

            Too bad someone can’t asking pointy little questions about why he sold out his renewable energy stock in front of live TV and get a straight answer.

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    29 July: HuffPo: James Gerken: It’s Almost August And Buffalo’s Dirty Snow Pile Is Still Just Chillin’
    It is almost August and daytime highs are reaching well into the 80s in Buffalo, New York, yet the city still has a giant, dirty snow pile left from eight months ago…
    “That pile of snow is like a glacier,” WGRZ meteorologist Patrick Hammer says in the video above. “It’s actually melting from below,” as the ground warms in the summer…
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/buffalo-snow-pile-hasnt-melted_55b8e48ae4b0224d883494ea

    29 July: Weather Network: Cheryl Santa Maria: Cold front brings rare July snow to three U.S. states
    On Monday, an intense cold front that some forecasters are calling ‘exceptional’ descended on the northern Rockies, bringing several centimetres of snow to Montana, Idaho and Wyoming.
    “This pattern should not happen in July,” the U.S. National Weather Service said in a Tuesday tweet, later adding the area could see the “windiest July day ever” in some places following the cold front.
    “In my 27 years as the chief meteorologist for KXLF/KBZK, I have only reported a few times that snow is falling in [southwest] Montana in July,” Mike Heard, a local television meteorologist told the Washington Post…
    Social media was flooded with bewildered, snow-related posts…
    The images are reminiscent of a photo that was circulated on social media earlier this week from Banff, Alberta, where chilly temperatures allowed for a light dusting of snow…
    http://www.theweathernetwork.com/news/articles/cold-front-brings-rare-july-snow-to-three-us-states/55018/

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    29 July: Idaho State Journal: Cold front leads to record-low temperatures
    A cold front that passed through the area this week led to record-breaking low temperatures on Tuesday morning.
    Pocatello’s 39-degree low broke the previous record of 43 set in 1993, said Jeff Hedges, senior meteorologist with the local National Weather Service forecast office. Idaho Falls and Burley also broke records with lows of 36 and 41, respectively. The previous record for Idaho Falls was 41, set in 2005, and the previous low for Burley was 46, set in 1963.
    Hedges said more low temperatures were expected on Tuesday night…
    The weather statements urged those with cold-sensitive plants, pets or livestock to take precautions to protect them…
    http://www.idahostatejournal.com/members/cold-front-leads-to-record-low-temperatures/article_87d67b96-3591-11e5-976b-ff38dcc2a960.html

    29 July: Jackson Hole News: July in the Tetons: snow, low 30s
    While the unusually cold low-pressure system sent temperatures in town falling, it didn’t set a record. The record low for July 28 is 31 degrees, set back in 1940.
    “The cold front itself was incredibly strong,” said meteorologist Jim Woodmencey, a Jackson Hole News&Guide columnist who runs MountainWeather.com. “It dropped temperatures in the valley 20 degrees in a couple hours.”…
    Snow was observed on Teton Pass, and everything above 9,500 feet in the Tetons was dusted.
    Snow fell at similar elevations last summer, but that didn’t occur until late August, Woodmencey said.
    “To get a dusting of snow down close to 9,000 feet this time of year is pretty rare, I guess,” he said…
    Woodmencey said that in winter there will often be extreme drops in temperature. But he said what happened Monday usually doesn’t occur during the summer.
    “One of the things that really struck me was the top of the tram was 70 degrees Sunday afternoon right around noon or 1 o’clock, and then by 3 in the afternoon Monday it was 30,” Woodmencey said.
    Woodmencey said the pressure system has passed, but the low temperatures will stick around the valley today.
    “[This] morning has the potential to be even colder in the morning than it was [Tuesday] morning,” Woodmencey said…
    Jenny Lake climbing rangers told the News&Guide on Tuesday that conditions were so extreme Monday that mountain guides did not even reach the Lower Saddle. All the guide companies heading to the Grand Teton were shut down Tuesday, they said.
    The rangers said that conditions on the Owen-Spalding and Exum routes on the Grand Teton have been icy and slick for much of the summer. Heavy rain has kept moisture high in the Tetons, and it freezes each night…
    http://www.jhnewsandguide.com/news/features/july-in-the-tetons-snow-low-s/article_0d67ac8d-4ad8-54a8-80a7-8d90b334d01f.html

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    the right kind of academics!

    28 July: The Conversation: Al Gore looks to states, not Canberra, on Australian climate visit
    by Cathy Alexander, Research Fellow, Melbourne Sustainable Society Institute at University of Melbourne
    Disclosure statement:
    Cathy Alexander works for the Melbourne Sustainable Society Institute, which helped arrange Al Gore’s visit to Melbourne.
    Gore, a Nobel laureate who gave his trademark slideshow to 1,000 staff and students at the University of Melbourne on Monday, talked about states that are “moving” on climate change: California, Washington and Oregon in the United States, and Canada’s British Columbia.
    “I have a feeling that some parts of Australia are thinking of moving,” he added in his breezy Tennessee accent. “I’m stoked about that.”…
    Later he told the university event, organised by the Melbourne Sustainable Society Institute, that those state governments “understand this crisis and the nature of the opportunity” (such as renewable energy)…
    This time around, Gore didn’t target federal politicians – he could hardly show his slide of a Hawaiian wind farm surrounded by flowers to Prime Minister Tony Abbott, who finds them “ugly”. (Gore did have a quick lunch with Opposition Leader Bill Shorten.)…
    Climate change has been caught in a federal-state see-saw which has left little policy intact.
    That’s why Gore’s list of frontrunner states doesn’t include any Australian examples.
    That’s also perhaps why no premiers met Gore on Monday. They face a tough choice – are they really ready to ramp up climate ambition, and cope with the risks of a hostile media campaign and a possible voter backlash?
    Climate policy has helped see off three Australian prime ministers and two opposition leaders since 2007. The temptation to back away quietly is real…
    So it was perhaps the state premiers, and not the Melbourne University students present, that Gore had in mind when he called for “moral courage” on climate change, as he stood in front of a huge slide of the planet.
    http://theconversation.com/al-gore-looks-to-states-not-canberra-on-australian-climate-visit-45245

    read the bios:

    Uni of Melbourne: Melbourne Sustainable Society Institute: Our People (includes Tim Flannery, Don Henry)
    bio examples: Dr Samuel Alexander is a Research Fellow with the Melbourne Sustainable Society Institute and a lecturer with the Office for Environmental Programs. He teaches a course called ‘Consumerism and the Growth Paradigm: Interdisciplinary Perspectives’ into the Masters of Environment. His most recent book is an edited collection called Simple Living in History: Pioneers of the Deep Future (2014). He is also author of Entropia: Life beyond Industrial Civilisation (2013) and editor of Voluntary Simplicity: The Poetic Alternative to Consumer Culture (2009). His research interests include the limits to growth, post-growth and degrowth economics, sustainable consumption, the social implications of climate change and peak oil, and transition strategies…
    Cathy Alexander has a background as an environmental journalist, and left the media to take-up a paid position with MSSI in August 2014.
    Cathy was a journalist for eight years. She began covering environmental issues when working for Australian Associated Press in the Press Gallery in Parliament House, Canberra, in 2007. She won the European Union / Qantas journalist’s award in 2009 and spent five weeks reporting on climate and environmental issues from Europe, including reporting from the UNFCCC Copenhagen summit.
    Cathy squeezed in a Master of Environment at the University of Melbourne’s Office for Environmental Programs in 2011-2012, where she focussed on environmental policy, economics and law. Her most recent media job was as deputy editor of the news and opinion website Crikey, where she continued to write on environmental issues….etc
    Recent Publications includes: Limits to Growth was right. New research shows we’re nearing collapse …
    http://sustainable.unimelb.edu.au/our-people

    have no idea if the two Alexanders are related.

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    too funny:

    27 July: Hootville Communications – Communications for good; not evil
    posted by Brett
    Brett was rewarded for his contribution to the 2014 Al Gore’s Climate Reality Training Corps with a seat at a below-the-radar gig by the former US Vice President last Sunday afternoon.
    Along with 150 or so rain-streaked true believers Brett sat and listened to a man who is no stranger to the stage…
    Content aside, here are Brett’s takeaways for public speakers as inspired by Al Gore
    Notes – it is extremely impressive when a speaker speaks without them.
    Structure – a simple structure always helps. Mr Gore used three rhetorical questions which he proceeded to answer.
    Humour – especially of the self-deprecating kind works a treat. The bigger the deal you are the more this works. FYI – Al Gore is very funny.
    Broad references impress an audience and connect with different people within that audience. Mr Gore was educated at Harvard. Perhaps that’s why he made comfortable reference to Sisyphus, the old Testament, philosophers, political pundits, his own books, recent articles on the Guardian’s website and his own interactions with people around the globe. He quoted philosophers, scientists, local heroes and people who have been dead a very long time.
    Shout outs. Mr Gore referred to several people within the room that he knew. This not only makes those people feel good, it makes him look comfortable and ‘present’.
    Displays of humanity work a treat. References to his own waistline, his thwarted political aspirations and his own state of mind made him very human and relatable – for a former US VP who sits on the board of Apple, is the son of US Senator, visits Antarctica with Richard Branson and elicits a quasi-religious fervour among his followers…etc
    Conclusion: Of course everything Mr Gore does everything gets a warm reception less lights would not. That said, he would not be in the position he’s in today if he could not bring authenticity, passion and knowledge to every audience.
    http://www.hootville.com/is-al-gore-in-australia

    who is Brett?

    Brett de Hoedt’s Hootville Communications is different to other PR and communications agencies. (We would say that, wouldn’t we.) We believe that we’re good at what we do but we don’t presume to be the answer to all your prayers…
    We’ve worked across the country on issues including mental illness, youth homelessness, euthanasia, child sponsorship, conservation, hepatitis prevention, disability employment and Indigenous reconciliation…
    We’ve worked with Salvation Army, Oxfam, Greenpeace, Australian Conservation Foundation, Yooralla, Mental Illness Fellowship Australia, Heart Foundation, Cancer Councils, Gould League, unions, local governments and dozens more. See more non-profit clients we’ve helped…
    Before founding Hootville and declaring himself “Mayor” Brett de Hoedt worked as a print journalist, talk radio host and publicist with media organisations including Truth, New Idea, Channel 7, radio 3AK, The Sunday Age, The Melbourne & Sydney Weeklies and ABC local radio Perth. He has also made video documentaries, reviewed restaurants and written game show questions.
    As a broadcaster he interviewed most major players in politics, business and entertainment. He understands what the media wants and what it takes to gain coverage. In 2014 he was invited to address 520 campaigners from 21 countries at Al Gore’s Climate Reality training event. Brett discussed the event and environmental campaigning on ABC-TV. (6 MIN-PLUS VIDEO)
    http://www.hootville.com/about

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    wasted time looking for a video!

    Facebook: Uni of Melbourne
    27 July Former US Vice President and Nobel Laureate Al Gore delivered a presentation on the impacts of (and solutions to) the climate crisis at the University of Melbourne yesterday. ‪#‎algoreunimelb‬ became the No2 trending topic in the country! Check out some of what was said in our Storify summary.
    REPLIES:
    Einstein A Go Go I don’t care about the notes….where is the video of this. Please tell me somebody bothered to do that?
    The University of Melbourne Hi Einstein, it was live-tweeted by the Faculty of Science via @SciMelb. A video is not available.
    Ryusuke Kameya: Wasn’t his presentation recorded?
    The University of Melbourne Hi Ryusuke, it was live-tweeted by the Faculty of Science via @SciMelb. A video is not available.
    Mark Micallef If I’d known this was on I would have taken the day off work to attend. How was it publicised?
    The University of Melbourne Hi Mark, this event was only open to staff and student of the University. It was booked out in four minutes.
    Jesus Kucha’Awar Mach Mathondit I would have attended the lectures if they had free lunch
    Susanne Jorde Lunde We freakin missed it Keisha Torres
    Keisha Torres I know Susanne Jorde Lunde. I tried to get the tix but they sold out after like 3 hours!!!!
    https://www.facebook.com/melbuni

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    Bjorn Lomborg is Hagar the Horable, shaven – nothing different. He is promoting the phony global warming, same as any other Swindler!

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    a bit like the hottest one-hour temp ever at Heathrow on July 1, but it’s being hailed by CAGW believers:

    28 July: EnergyTransition Germany: Craig Morris: Renewables briefly covered 78 percent of German electricity
    On July 25, Germany surpassed the old record of 74 percent renewable electricity. But perhaps the most interesting aspect is power trading between France and Germany on that day…
    In the north, where it was windy, Germany has most of its wind turbines installed. In the south, it has most of its solar. The combination of sunny weather in the south with strong wind throughout the country is rare – and led to a new record…
    GRAPHIC
    The chart above visualizes the situation well, but we still need to include biomass (4.85 GW) and hydropower (2.4 GW). The total renewable electricity on Saturday afternoon was therefore 47.9 GW. We then also need to exclude the 8.75 GW of net power exports below the baseline in the chart above to calculate total domestic power demand, which then comes in at 61.1 GW. In that calculation, Germany had roughly 78 percent renewable electricity as a share of domestic demand for a few hours.
    The figures are still preliminary, however. On the Energy Charts website, you can switch from the view above to “all sources,” and you get slightly different (lower) numbers for both wind and solar during the exact same timeframe. In addition, the data will probably still be tweaked because they are so new. But in all likelihood, further revisions will still have a new record posted that day…
    We don’t need to look far for a very low share of renewables, however. In the wee hours of July 22, wind power dropped to 2-3 GW, with solar at 0. Add in hydropower and biomass, and we have around 9.5 GW of renewable electricity out of just under 40 GW of domestic demand….
    READ ON: for details about the unsatisfactory “power trading between France and Germany on that day”..
    http://energytransition.de/2015/07/renewables-covered-78percent-of-german-electricity/

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    Woodward is not a teenager…so what’s the excuse for this Gore rhapsody!

    27 July: LinkedIn: Postcard from Melbourne. Time with @AlGore talking @climatereality
    by Andrew Woodward
    Twelve months ago in Melbourne, I was inspired by Al Gore. On Sunday in Melbourne, I was again inspired by Al Gore.
    In June 2014, I joined 500 others for training to become a Climate Reality Leader…
    The leaders, myself included, have been trained up to take Al’s message forward. It is a simple message – we have to save the planet from climate change through a clean energy future. The training arms leaders with facts and Keynote slides to spread the word to communities, politicians and business groups, indeed anyone who will listen, by what’s known as acts of leadership. I have pledged to become a voice in the marketing, advertising, communications and corporate affairs industries on climate change. While I have done some acts of leadership on a voluntary basis, it is my intention to make it a full time career from here on in. I have been researching and planning my business over the last 12 months and it will launch soon…
    His first function was with his Climate Reality Leaders in a heritage building in one of those “little” streets of Melbourne. The invitation went out two weeks ago and I say about 200 were there on Sunday. They had come from all over Australia to hear their leader. I was in Melbourne by chance. I was there with my 11 year old son and we had a bumper weekend – seeing Real Madrid and Ronaldo on Friday night at the MCG against Manchester City and we then attended a few sessions of the Labor Party conference where leader Bill Shorten made strong commitments on fighting climate change. The positive vibe from the Labor Party conference set up the late Sunday function well…
    The Australian Conservation Foundation (ACF), the host of the Climate Reality Project in Australia, staged the event. It was an intimate gathering. Al spoke for 45 minutes, updating the crowd on global developments to arrest climate change..
    The facts and opinions contained in Al’s address were one thing. The gravity, passion and emotion of his address were another. He presents humbly, with humor, and self deprecation. It is like he is having a one-on-one conversation with everyone in the room. My son thought he was “funny”. I thought, wow, this guy is simply awesome, not just for an entertaining speech but for the substance of what he is doing and the fact that he can still get totally would up about it after a life on the road championing the cause. I was as star struck as everyone else. He really is a ‘rock star’…
    The ACF organised three people to come to the stage and tell him about what they had done since training in Melbourne a year ago. One of the story tellers was from the Labor Environment Action Network who spoke of what that group had done to get her party on side to address change through policy (which was unveiled to widespread acclaim just a few days before). Another spoke of her work in the faith community which culminated in a meeting with the Pope prior to the recent release of the encyclical. Another spoke of his work in the community. The three stories were packed with emotion. They were inspiring. They touched everyone in the room. The stories had a common denominator – we’re doing this for the planet, inspired by Al Gore. He was visibly emotional as he got up to respond to the stories and thank the speakers. He declared what he had just heard as one of the greatest gifts he had ever received. It was genuine…
    https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/postcard-from-melbourne-time-algore-talking-andrew-woodward

    LinkedIn: Andrew Woodward
    More recently, Andrew started Climate Communication, a specialist agency to help marketing, advertising, communications and corporate affairs leaders do their job in ***the age of climate change.
    Andrew holds a Master of Business and Technology and is currently studying for a Master of Environmental Management (UNSW)…
    https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewwoodward1966?trk=pulse-det-athr_prof-art_ftr

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    I know this is off topic, and I debated on waiting for the Unthreaded Post this weekend, but this is just too delicious to wait.

    Our dear old ABC is running with this wonderful story, lifted from their Radio national program this morning.

    In a Northern Dutch town, they have paved part of a bike path with solar cells, embedded in concrete. They then coated it with a non slip compound so, naturally, the bikes wouldn’t just, umm, slide off the glass.

    The end result idea is to, umm, make roads from the stuff, and err, possible find a way to use the roads themselves to generate power and find a way to facilitate that transfer of power to the cars (you know, electric cars) driving on the roads.

    Have you ever heard anything so ….. umm, out there?

    My interest was piqued because, umm, they coated it, and umm, it’s continually covered by people riding their bikes.

    Here’s a short excerpt from the article: (my bolding here)

    In fact, data from the first six months of operation suggests the solar cells are capable of generating more than 70 kilowatt hours of electricity per square metre, per year, which means that the 70 metre bike path in Krommenie is capable of meeting the annual energy needs of three households.

    So then, I know the capabilities of rooftop solar panels.

    The manufacturers claim a Capacity Factor of 16% (you know, from their modelling)

    The actual Capacity Factor for the power delivery from them is closer to 13% on an Australia wide basis.

    So I did the Maths on this bike path solar power plant.

    At that 70KWH per square metre over a year, that gives a Capacity Factor of, wait for it ….. 5%.

    A Capacity Factor of FIVE PERCENT

    And at a horrendous cost.

    I, I, I, I’m actually speechless!

    It got a whole radio segment and they featured a short 1.10 video.

    Imagine if any other product came onto the market advertising that it only operates at 5% of its design. Would you buy a new car if you knew it was only going to start up one time in twenty?

    And you wonder why I have such a poor opinion of journalists.

    Tony.

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    …..which means that the 70 metre bike path in Krommenie is capable of meeting the annual energy needs of three households.

    You know, the same amount of power delivered by Bayswater with all four units running in, umm ….. 33 Seconds.

    Tony.

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    not worth the $0 in expenses they didn’t spend on it!

    14 pages: 23 July: US Dept of Defense: NATIONAL SECURITY IMPLICATIONS OF CLIMATE-RELATED RISKS AND A CHANGING CLIMATE
    This report responds to the Congressional request to the Department of Defense to identify the most serious and likely climate-related security risks for each Combatant Command, the ways in which the Combatant Commands are integrating mitigation of these risks into their planning processes, and a description of the resources required for an effective response.
    Submitted in response to a request contained in Senate Report 113-211, accompanying H.R. 4870, the Department of Defense Appropriations Bill, 2015
    The estimated cost of this report or study for the Department of Defense is approximately $22,000 for the 2015 Fiscal Year. This includes $0 in expenses and $22,000 in DoD labor…
    http://www.defense.gov/pubs/150724-Congressional-Report-on-National-Implications-of-Climate-Change.pdf?source=GovDelivery

    29 July: Washington Times: Rowan Scarborough: Climate change a ‘growing threat’ to national security, Pentagon says
    Natural disaster increase unproven
    A new Pentagon report says that climate change is an “urgent and growing threat to our national security” and blames it for “increased natural disasters” that will require more American troops designated to combat bad weather.
    “Global climate change will have wide-ranging implications for U.S. national security interests over the foreseeable future because it will aggravate existing problems — such as poverty, social tensions, environmental degradation, ineffectual leadership, and weak political institutions — that threaten domestic stability in a number of countries,” says the report released Wednesday.
    The report’s reference to “increased natural disasters” is not backed by several studies. The latest United Nations report on global warming said there was insufficient evidence to say there have been increased storm, flood or drought activity. A climate center in Colorado said its study of decades of weather patterns failed to show any increase in tornadoes, hurricanes or other natural disasters…
    The report also tells commanders there are “more frequent and/or severe extreme weather events that may require substantial involvement of DoD units, personnel and assets in humanitarian assistance and disaster relief.”…
    Roger Pielke Jr., a professor of environmental studies at the Center for Science and Technology Police Research at the University of Colorado, studies global weather trends and makes conclusions at odds with the Pentagon report.
    “Current data sets indicate no significant observed trends in global tropical cyclone frequency over the past century,” he wrote in 2013. “No robust trends in annual numbers of tropical storms, hurricanes and major hurricanes counts have been identified over the past 100 years in the North Atlantic basin.”
    “In summary, there continues to be a lack of evidence and thus low confidence regarding the sign of trend in the magnitude and/or frequency of floods on a global scale.”
    The United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a big advocate of changing human behavior to combat global warming, acknowledged there is little evidence of increased natural disasters.
    It said last year there is “low confidence” in any long-term increase in cyclone and hurricane activity. It also said there is “low confidence” in increased tornadoes and hailstorms.
    Global warming skeptics says that temperature models put out over a decade ago have proven to be wildly inaccurate today.
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jul/29/climate-change-a-growing-threat-to-national-securi/

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      Pat, you are spreading their misleading propaganda / LIES! IF you are genuinely concerned about the phony global warming – referred as ”climate change” – you should read my posts and inform yourself, what the truth is!

      Pentagon, NASA, EPA are proofs that: Marxism is taking control of US, by using CO2 instead of Kalashnikov as a weapon…

      Stop wetting the bed from fear about lies regarding co2, read my posts, OR: admit that you are lying on behalf of the Marxist mafia, THIS IS AN OFFICIAL CHALLENGE!!! https://globalwarmingdenier.wordpress.com/venus-runaway-greenhouse-con/

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    el gordo

    In case Christopher Pyne should drop in, I suggest Charles Sturt University.

    It encompasses Albury-Wodonga, Bathurst, Canberra, Dubbo, Goulburn, Orange, Parramatta, Port Macquarie and Wagga Wagga.

    Canberra might pick up a stink, but all the others would jump on board if they spread the money evenly.

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    Geoff Sherrington

    Those who wonder how deep and serious this commie talk is, need to read the speech by former PM Hawke in May 1984, 100 years of the Fabian Society

    http://pmtranscripts.dpmc.gov.au/browse.php?did=6396

    The expressions like “patient gradualism” were once academic construct by a few rogue scholars. The concept has worked and now, time and again, people blogging here are expressing frustration at the extent and success of the concept.

    You need to study this speech, not just flip through it, because it is unusually frank and exposes as accurate many hyoptheses that people like me worry about in terms of what motivates these public policies and actions that so trouble us.

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    Andrew

    They might have thought he said “Lom of Borg.”

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    Wayne Job

    ” In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is an act of rebellion” George Orwell. Keep telling the truth guys and gals it is bothering them.

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